Forum logs for 24 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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funkenstein_	iirc, he had btc-e guys build the "exhcange".. looked identical to btc-e	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	phf different mmm iirc	[00:09]
phf	mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/neNetGr.png, http://mmmglobal.org	[00:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed7Ai5 )	[00:14]
assbot	MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed7Ai7 )	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	yeah but what i'm saying is that this mmm and the 1990s historical item aren't much related	[00:14]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213534 << someone wrote a client that lets you plug in some settings and it runs your character for you without having to click around on the website, but even with that their 150k number is probably made up	[00:17]
assbot	Logged on 27-07-2015 01:33:25; mircea_popescu: so /me goes to investigate this kingdom of loathing mud thingee. wikipedia claims 150k players playing regularly. /me has never seen > 500 players logged in. /me is confused.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	it is a solution to 'real people and spamming scum try to occupy limited space together' << yes, but the "free market" solution is "make people solve it on their own cpu" whereas you propose "solve it for other people on my own cpu". yes, if we can limit the market we don't need it to be free. but if we could make it free we wouldn't need to limit it.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	dude danielpbarron you were way behind in the logs huh.	[00:18]
danielpbarron	i've read stuff since then, i just don't always read it all in order	[00:20]
trinque	"Now, every participant (firstly of the Bitcoin Republic, and then of the whole MMM) will be daily offered a simple web-task related to the activities in the social networks and forums that generate extra traffic to the MMM website." << http://mmmglobal.org/news/mmm_extra-3139.html	[00:20]
assbot	NEWS / MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOAp4u )	[00:20]
trinque	lol. what.	[00:20]
trinque	the republic he says.	[00:20]
trinque	what does his scam have to do with that?	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	lol. guy liked the word.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	iirc there's also a reddit republic thing	[00:22]
trinque	where are you, herr timecube? show yourself	[00:22]
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trinque	it's a good word, 'tis true	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	basically what is this, a sort of trying to herd retards to do web stuff ?	[00:23]
trinque	I can't even tell	[00:23]
trinque	you join the MMM and you make 100%	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	or i could also not join it, and also make 100%	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that's all for me. laters.	[00:25]
trinque	Hello. My name is Jean, a manager of MMM Philippines, showing you my GH in the amount of P33,000. Thank you my donors and thank you MMM. Indeed its a great privilege to be part of this wonderful community. << ey asciilifeform, I found your filipinos	[00:25]
trinque	mircea_popescu: cheers	[00:25]
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asciilifeform	;;seen mike_c	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	16k ahahaha	[12:36]
gribble	mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 minutes and 29 seconds ago: ;;seen asciilifeform	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	check that shit out.	[12:36]
mike_c	hey ascii. wanted to chat about the graph thing when you have a few	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	hey, USG "press", where are all the articles about how US collapses amid dji never-before-seen losses ?	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	you know, all the ones about china two months ago, do a search and replace. no good ?	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	idiots.	[12:37]
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asciilifeform	mike_c: may be premature, i haven't fully written the antecedent walker yet. but basic idea was to create a browsable (possibly clickable) directed acyclic graph	[12:37]
PeterL	my US stock investments have recently lost everything they gained since January, big old 0% increase on the year now	[12:38]
asciilifeform	mike_c: eat node corresponds to a particular 'v' filehash.	[12:38]
mike_c	Ok. That was my impression, that the data source wasn't quite ready yet. we can wait.	[12:38]
mike_c	yeah, makes sense	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah a bit of an early thing on my part. on the theory that prolly you're doing plenty of other things and want to schedule things	[12:39]
mike_c	indeed :)	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	PeterL imo holding any sort of usg paper is irresponsible, but that's just me.	[12:40]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[12:40]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 219.53, Best ask: 219.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 219.53, 24 hour volume: 28152.10277529, 24 hour low: 211.56, 24 hour high: 230.16, 24 hour vwap: None	[12:40]
mike_c	Currently I am wrangling with python gnupg, which turns out to be a pile of shit	[12:40]
asciilifeform	mike_c: it very much is!	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile bitcoin clearly poised to absorb the shocks lmao.	[12:40]
punkman	https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg << this is slightly better than the other version	[12:40]
assbot	isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2tMTd )	[12:40]
asciilifeform	and that magic feeling you get when you learn that 1) dealing with a massive pile of shit 2) the only alternative is to recreate the thing from minerals	[12:41]
PeterL	well, I have had it stuck in a "retirement account" for a few years now, seemed like a good idea back when I put it in ... bleh	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	all these people derping about how "oh, cyprus banks collapsed - bitcoin lalala ; oh argentina default - bitcoin lalala" don't comprehend the very basics of how economics works.	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	in other news, https://bitbet.us/bet/1167/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-september/ should be interesting.	[12:41]
mike_c	punkman: thanks, I'll check it out. there's a lot of versions floating around	[12:41]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No \| closed 1 week 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2tOKK )	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	mike_c from what i've seen, the python-anything turns out that way	[12:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's a shell-callout to gpg	[12:41]
mike_c	not in my experience, but this area, it is.	[12:41]
punkman	python-gpgme doesn't call out to shell but I haven't used it	[12:42]
mike_c	a hacked together with band-aids and rubber bands shell callout	[12:42]
asciilifeform	mike_c: gpgme is a wrapper for gpg !!	[12:42]
mike_c	gpgme i don't know about	[12:42]
asciilifeform	and barely works.	[12:43]
mike_c	oh fuck, it stands for "gpg made easy"? that's not promising	[12:43]
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asciilifeform	thing to realize is that gpg was written to be maximally un-librarifiable. like gcc.	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	was it ?	[12:44]
asciilifeform	this was my conclusion from own study.	[12:44]
mike_c	so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts? how to use the fking thing?	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	mike_c another premature thing is a pgp implementation that's proper.	[12:45]
mike_c	!up wywialm	[12:45]
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mircea_popescu	looks like it'll be the first competing standard we end up writing.	[12:45]
mike_c	wywialm: what do the quedex guys use to talk to gpg?	[12:45]
asciilifeform	if simply trying to verify sigs, the python-gpg crud sorta works.	[12:45]
davout	mike_c: i got gpgme to work fine fwiw	[12:45]
mike_c	oh? ok.. I will check it out. thanks.	[12:46]
punkman	https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/gpgv.html this might be easier if you are just verifying	[12:46]
assbot	gpgv - Using the GNU Privacy Guard ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2uhg9 )	[12:46]
mike_c	not just verifying. encryptying, decrypting, verifying.	[12:46]
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punkman	I wonder how many klock are in gpg, anyone counted it?	[12:50]
punkman	*kloc	[12:50]
wywialm	hi all	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	ello	[12:51]
wywialm	mike_c, from the client side, we have a python-gnupg wrapper app around our api	[12:51]
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wywialm	if that is what you ask about	[12:51]
mike_c	ah, k. yeah.	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	technically vice-versa but anyway.	[12:52]
mike_c	thanks. i was looking for good alternatives.	[12:52]
mike_c	going to give gpgme a run around the block and see how that does.	[12:52]
wywialm	that is very temporary, we'll be moving to java bouncy castle in the near future	[12:53]
wywialm	i.e. this python-gnupg - calling gpg is just too slow	[12:53]
mike_c	whole app is going to java?	[12:54]
wywialm	that is a most likely scenario	[12:54]
mike_c	interesting	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	you are going to java, ~for speed~.	[12:54]
punkman	wywialm: does that thing do gpg?	[12:54]
mike_c	"Generators/Processors for OpenPGP "	[12:54]
wywialm	yes	[12:55]
mike_c	out of curiousity, what's "too slow"?	[12:55]
mike_c	i mean, unless you're supporting HFT, is it really a problem for the client app?	[12:55]
wywialm	mircea_popescu, is there something i miss? re bouncy castle: we'll most likely have to write a library to make it more usable	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	phf no, you're right, i dunno what i was thinking.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	turns out in point of fact a good chunk of the internet "ponzi" subculture has to do with this schmuck promoting nonsense like it's his mission in life.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	wywialm java is just hated here, is all.	[12:57]
wywialm	for "high touch" users, no, pyton-gnupg is more or less ok, but for algo and managing mulitple instruments the delays are noticeable	[12:58]
mike_c	go tit	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	should be fun once pgp is implemented properly as full rsa.	[12:59]
mike_c	*got it :)	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	"non starter!!11"	[12:59]
punkman	full rsa?	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYPJZK6NdKc << omfg she's ugly.	[13:01]
assbot	Reklama MMM Lenya Golubkov, 90 e 240 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPAYel )	[13:01]
mike_c	full rsa would make for some long messages	[13:01]
mike_c	but I hear bandwidth is doubling every year for the next 10 years :)	[13:01]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: which 'she'	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	the shuba woiman lol.	[13:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and see, if they used hot gurlz, it wouldn't be 'common man !!11!!!111'	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	shit... dude i miss the drunken evening over a musama covered table with drunk people.	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	wtf.	[13:02]
asciilifeform	there was a specific algo used here	[13:02]
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punkman	what's the difference of full rsa to current gpg?	[13:02]
mike_c	i was assuming he meant not using AES to encode the message	[13:03]
wywialm	mircea_popescu, what is java most hated for - in particular, in client-side? and what is the recommended alternative for similar purposes?	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	punkman currently a symmetric session key is rsa encrypted.	[13:03]
asciilifeform	punkman, mike_c: the idea is to abolish the session key.	[13:03]
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mircea_popescu	wyrdmantis slow, large memory footprint, undebuggable in that order.	[13:03]
mike_c	hence long messages	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	mike_c slow. not necessarily so long.	[13:03]
mike_c	cuz message has to be encoded for each recipient	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	wyrdmantis and the alternative is asm, obviously :))	[13:04]
wywialm	:)	[13:04]
mike_c	JVM is not accepted on my machine	[13:04]
wywialm	in that tune? http://i.imgur.com/pujXiVy.jpg	[13:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NPBtFi )	[13:04]
mike_c	because I don't trust it.	[13:05]
mike_c	even on my windows box..	[13:05]
wywialm	mike_c, we will not drop the python app	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	wyrdmantis just because web-programmers suck doesn't mean asm no longer exists.	[13:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1249996 << they did that much of a public service.	[13:06]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 04:44:57; asciilifeform: in fact, i saw these, as a boy, and they permanently defined what 'advertising' means in my head.	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	dude there's two people with wy ? apologies for misdirection	[13:06]
wywialm	np :)	[13:06]
BingoBoingo	So, going out to pick up some chicken hearts to fry up for breakfast I saw the local much beloved microwave tower covered in a tent of some sort	[13:14]
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mircea_popescu	go on ?	[13:17]
BingoBoingo	Well, why the fuck does a microwave tower need to wear clothes?	[13:18]
punkman	because of derps sensitive to wifi?	[13:18]
BingoBoingo	There better not be any of those around here.	[13:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00072789 = 16.1592 BTC [-] {3}	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	maybe some kids wanted to fuck but didn't know how to camp so they used the available pilar ?	[13:22]
BingoBoingo	Could be that.	[13:23]
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funkenstein_	perhaps "java" is too broad a descriptor with all the different compilers, VMs or not, etc. available	[13:30]
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mircea_popescu	only if one proposes to actually make java work.	[14:04]
BingoBoingo	You know, this Chinese market mess is going to be hell on whatever's left of the US auto industry.	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	ayup.	[14:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63902 @ 0.00072393 = 46.2606 BTC [-] {2}	[14:10]
BingoBoingo	The kulaks there were really starting to develop a taste for Buick and pickup trucks	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250011 << really, only thinkable in a "gross mismanagement context", among a field replete with half baked tin women.	[14:14]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 05:21:32; asciilifeform: this kind of lure is only really thinkable in a ru90s-style collapsy context	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	something perhaps to be seen again. this decade.	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	that sort of large scale mismanagement is always the result of technical objects satisfying perceived imagological needs first and foremost. like the fortifications of the eternal city.	[14:15]
thestringpuller	http://blog.blockchain.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Industry-Block-Size-letter-All-Signed.pdf << "Major Players" 4 of these have a DERP listing	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	pdf is not the output of a --clearsign command.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	rejected.	[14:18]
thestringpuller	http://dpaste.com/2CQ0T31.txt << de-turdified for you	[14:20]
thestringpuller	"Our companies will be ready for larger blocks by December 2015 and we will run	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	http://imgur.com/a/c4WNF << win srsly.	[14:20]
assbot	SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1hChsIp )	[14:20]
thestringpuller	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3i7mtz/8_major_players_support_bip_101/ << teh comments astounding	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony barefoot womenz in dcs ?!	[14:23]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: well we need to be more certain	[14:24]
fluffypony	have to be safe	[14:24]
fluffypony	bend over and cough	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250038 < uh what hint. the cpu has to do some math to ecdsa. that math happens talking to the cpu cache not disk or ram.	[14:24]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 09:21:40; wyrdmantis: ;;later tell mircea_popescu so why l2 cache is relevant? give me a hint, please.	[14:24]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony did the chick give you some ideas now ?	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	honestly i've been tempted by shenzen for a while now.	[14:24]
fluffypony	apparently you're not allowed to institute such safety measures in a DC	[14:24]
fluffypony	pity	[14:24]
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mircea_popescu	mats go to shenzen rent a flat for me.	[14:27]
mats	you gonna visit?	[14:28]
*	mircea_popescu kinda had it with argentina.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.	[14:29]
BingoBoingo	That was fast.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	guess so huh.	[14:30]
mats	i can't even afford to go myself :P	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250044 << you think isis is different ?	[14:32]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 09:42:08; cazalla: punkman, from that post "Traditionally the wife controls family finance. Husband turns over paycheck and wife gives husband allowance." fuck that	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	this is how asia lives, yo.	[14:32]
kakobrekla	so wait, next ba meet is in shenzen?	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	either that or skipping a year. i'm not doing another one in b-a. you've seen it all. literally.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250051 << dude srsly... hotness is an uncorrelated variable. it's not like you're rolling up a new d&d dollie and have a total of 24 points to distribute to stats.	[14:39]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 09:49:31; cazalla: why would a chick be watching mr robot, a show guerrilla marketed at 4chan autists	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	teen enjoys geeky show, decides to give herself tits. only thing uncommon is that she had the guts to take control. otherwise...	[14:39]
mike_c	22 hours from jfk to shenzen. ouch.	[14:42]
kakobrekla	i bet alf is gonna be disappointed. no coffee, no icecream, no steak.	[14:42]
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mike_c	oh, with layover. nevermind	[14:42]
mike_c	only 17 hours in the air.	[14:43]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[14:43]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 210.75, Best ask: 211.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 211.24, 24 hour volume: 32200.11546723, 24 hour low: 209.0, 24 hour high: 229.07, 24 hour vwap: None	[14:43]
mats	i'll be surprised if mp sticks around shenzhen as long as he does buenos aires	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	what, not like they don't let him in without conf invite lol	[14:43]
kakobrekla	better buy seats while you still can ;)	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	whyssat mats ?	[14:43]
trinque	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250167 << this is precisely the direction I'm going to go with deedbot, due to pain with python-gnupg; I've yet to try the one punkman suggested, so perhaps that one's better. I grow to believe this is the only way to do anything right on a *nix.	[14:43]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 15:42:43; mike_c: so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts? how to use the fking thing?	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	mike_c how long was ny-ba ? like 14 ?	[14:44]
mike_c	11	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway - not my fault the concorde lapsed without replacement. imo THAT is the end point of white civilisation.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not.	[14:44]
mats	crowded, terrible air, you don't speak chinese, you'll never be chinese, inscrutable local politics	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	haha. i can be fucking zulu.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	all it takes is me wanting to. which, granted, high fucking bar.	[14:46]
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mats	but hey, you'll be real popular. chinese people love to practice english on white folk.	[14:48]
BingoBoingo	Why Shenzen and not the Democratic Congo of Ferguson?	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	ikr?	[14:48]
asciilifeform	meanwhile...	[14:49]
asciilifeform	http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E4238BCC0112753AE0F09AB7ADD0DC02BF14CF02877D0E687597AA9ECB415DE	[14:49]
assbot	Welcome \| Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBBzV6 )	[14:49]
asciilifeform	gcd == 25; Ken Fischer	[14:49]
mats	isn't that the outfit gavin worked for?	[14:49]
trinque	are we to the point where we give up on scoopbot yet?	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	oh, is the scoop off ?	[14:49]
trinque	I have a feeds module at the ready.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	trinque weren't you ruinning it ?	[14:49]
trinque	nah, williamdunne	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, http://trilema.com/2015/naivity-in-finance/ < important!	[14:50]
assbot	Naivity in finance on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBBII6 )	[14:50]
trinque	I am happy to though.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	;;seen williamdunne	[14:50]
gribble	williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators	[14:50]
mike_c	question I don't expect an answer to: how does mpex handle the gpg processing?	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	trinque i guess so yeah.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	go fer it	[14:50]
trinque	k	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	"They have made good public presentations that only serve to enhance Bitcoins image. Due to factors like these, various ppl within the community will take an interest in their POV."	[14:51]
mike_c	prolly in php.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	heh dude wtshit already. nobody cares what "people in the community" etc. bitcoin is fucking money.	[14:51]
Michail1	midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mitzip mius mixdio	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i ain't sayin' anything.	[14:51]
mike_c	hand-coded PGP impelementation in PHP and javascript	[14:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you gonna have white-man food and chix flown in or what	[14:52]
asciilifeform	and if this, then why not do it on island fortress or arctic circle, aha	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i would much rather fuck a plastic cyborg created out of the desire of the short yellow people to fit in with white civilisation than an actual scion of the latter.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	because enthusiasm beats anything else nine times out of seven.	[14:53]
asciilifeform	jp sounds like a better deal then	[14:53]
mats	lol	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	japan is a fucking island.	[14:54]
asciilifeform	they have the plastic chick part down	[14:54]
asciilifeform	in cn you get to fuck a bag of rice with a hole drilled	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	such hate. have you seen this particular technoslut ?	[14:54]
asciilifeform	?	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	http://imgur.com/a/c4WNF <	[14:55]
assbot	SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1hChsIp )	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	her. tell me that if you had to share your lab you'd have a problem sharing it with her.	[14:55]
asciilifeform	aha the matchstick	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	yes, the matchstick.	[14:55]
asciilifeform	but hey, на вкус и на цвет товарища нет (tm)	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	not the point AT ALL.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	point is, nubbins` cook roommate.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	she ain't it.	[14:56]
asciilifeform	i don't have one of those here...	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	yeah, you do. everywhere.	[14:56]
asciilifeform	and iirc mircea_popescu didn't either?	[14:56]
trinque	chick looks like that and knows what a computer is; what's wrong?	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	you live in fucking reddit republic and pretend it ends at the door.	[14:56]
asciilifeform	it ends at the force field	[14:56]
*	asciilifeform checks generators	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	right.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	i lived a much better life of the spirit when i lived it among nude whores on sets, and plastic women making a point of being stupid	[14:57]
asciilifeform	i can't wait till mircea_popescu discovers the cn mega-reddits	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	and so would you. this entire "give boys letters" thing is dumb.	[14:57]
*	asciilifeform gets some exposure to the latter via ru	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	kinda why i've not moved yet. i have nfi.	[14:58]
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mircea_popescu	btw, anyone know the rather epic story of the only concorde crash to date ?	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	previous flight lost an engine foil, concorde ran it over, it cut a wheel, wheel exploded, large fragment of tyre hit underwing, shockwave broke a fuel tanker, fuel gushed out and caught, engineer cut the engine next, at which point they had 2km worth of runway left and needed 3 to abort.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	so they took the passengers back to hotel. directly.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	(jet fuel doesn't melt steel btw)	[15:05]
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ButtScoop	http://qntra.net/2015/08/windows-10-banned-from-numerous-torrent-trackers/	[15:05]
assbot	Windows 10 Banned From Numerous Torrent Trackers \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPIzfh )	[15:05]
*	ButtScoop is now known as BingoBoingo	[15:06]
punkman	and "Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10"	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[15:06]
trinque	mircea_popescu \| so they took the passengers back to hotel. directly. << lol!	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	trinque i am not an expert in airflight security, or a pilot or anything. nevertheless, it's my opinion that this is a fine example of what thinking in a box is and what it gets you.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	specifically, the correct move there would have been to cut all engines, engage all brakes (including the chute) and read a magazine.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	fuck it, so it runs out of runway, runs through the airport fence, runs out into the fucking street.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	but no... they "had to take off", because trained experts, and being trained means not thinking of all alternatives.	[15:09]
trinque	right, merely selecting one from the procedure book	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[15:10]
trinque	my dad's a pilot; it's astounding how much scripted behavior they have to internalize	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	also the notion that "anything's an option once all the scripts yield in predictable failure" is hard to maintain	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	and no serious effort is made to maintain it	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	"because why not just improve the scriptbook instead"	[15:11]
trinque	goes right to "nobody could've forseen" by way of "they did all they could" because they exhausted the rulebook	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[15:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but you defended this re: titanic !	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	i do.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	in that case, what the guy did was the actual minimal path.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	in this case, what thery did is not.	[15:13]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#921837 << that thread, linked for completeness	[15:14]
assbot	Logged on 14-11-2014 19:46:44; asciilifeform: 'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions	[15:14]
asciilifeform	but i can see what mircea_popescu meant here.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	my reading the magazine above is exactly in same degree and exactly the same kind, "recklessness".	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	the alternative is "raising awareness"	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	at any rate, this is a very vast thing, it unites the mentioned "when hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest"	[15:15]
asciilifeform	https://cryptome.org/2015/08/saic-whistlebreaker.htm << lulzy anonymus	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	to the very common "but you gotta play", seen at work for instance by the people who think they HAVE to take a mortgage, or buy a diamond ring, or go to college, or so on.	[15:16]
assbot	SAIC Whistlebreakers ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPLZP3 )	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	"it's what's done".	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	fuck it. if what's done doesn't pay you don't do it.	[15:16]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell cazalla Apparently there is a bunny bubble nao http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article32102394.html	[15:18]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:18]
assbot	Greenville girls sells rabbits at Illinois State Fair for $4,500 \| Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBENbf )	[15:18]
BingoBoingo	^ Notice country grammar in the title	[15:18]
asciilifeform	englisch as she is sp0ken	[15:19]
asciilifeform	'The third part was triggering bans on proxies VPNs and tor exit nodes, making as many file requests as possible so that users will not be able to use them to safely access websites. It involved using or circumventing the .htaccess file I am not sure which. "The goal is to divert bandwidth strangle traffic and get them to block their own users."'	[15:20]
BingoBoingo	Also $75,000 for a barrow. Not even a breeding hog, a castrated pig is now worth a new Chevy Suburban.	[15:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if 'ebay' is any guide, an 'x-box' game machine is worth a few $k.	[15:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: but if you know what money laundering is, then no surprise	[15:20]
BingoBoingo	I see no other outcome. This isn't even artmarket altcoins which... Don't expire when the pig goes to slaughter.	[15:21]
asciilifeform	(it is not altogether a waste of time to comb the site for items getting sold (not merely listed) for orders of magnitudes above any reasonable estimate of their worth. educational.)	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i ran a month or so of a similar thing mostly out of curiosity if this happens. notrly.	[15:22]
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asciilifeform	possibly happens in bursts.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah, like everything else the us does.	[15:23]
*	asciilifeform used to encounter unmistakeable examples with some regularity	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	half hour worth on thursday evening	[15:23]
BingoBoingo	"Donelson’s Land of Lincoln steer sold for a record $61,000 to the highest bidder, Governor Bruce Rauner."	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	then they wonder why they can't keep baghdad	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform xbox is genuinely WORTH 2k of today's watered down dollare.	[15:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not in the toy store	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	i suspect it's much a process like how we'll end up paying 5k for real cpu	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	or windows head 5k for "real" windows 7	[15:25]
asciilifeform	understand, there weren't vintage/rarity/mod-chipped units	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	or ipadheads 5k for REAL not-fucked iphone	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	etc	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i presumed they were chip-able in a certain manner.	[15:25]
asciilifeform	nah they were (at the time) standard-issue.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	maybe someone misunderstood something.	[15:26]
asciilifeform	the one thing which may have been the boojum, other than straight laundry, is a secret dog-whistle via the price that the unit is modded	[15:26]
asciilifeform	(cracked game machines were formally forbidden on ebay, iirc, long ago)	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	they prolly have a secret word for it too, like fags in 1950 ny.	[15:27]
asciilifeform	seems like a dead certainty	[15:27]
asciilifeform	but i do not know the word.	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	"hey i saw your xbox on ebay, is it ment condition ?"	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	"yes hubba ment condition all the way!"	[15:28]
asciilifeform	https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=kfischer%40studio.sgi.com&op=index	[15:29]
assbot	Search results for 'studio sgi kfischer com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPPVPO )	[15:29]
asciilifeform	^ mega-vintage	[15:29]
asciilifeform	did early pgp just throw entirely unprocessed, raw sewage to generate the modulus ?!!	[15:29]
asciilifeform	i mean, forfuckssake	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	1996 ? who even knows.	[15:30]
asciilifeform	that exe is still out there, somewhere. who wants a fairly simple student project !	[15:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19864 @ 0.00072033 = 14.3086 BTC [-] {2}	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	why you ?	[15:41]
asciilifeform	whaddayamean why me	[15:41]
asciilifeform	'cause i have a car instead of a dirigible, and own two hands instead of servants ?	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	you gotta ask your insurance basically ?	[15:42]
asciilifeform	aha, gotta claim	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:42]
asciilifeform	'unknown vehicle', same as if a meteorite fell.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fbc9c18bebd247778726d7cd01c038f5/tumblr_ntc5xtHggA1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg	[15:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JPUuK5 )	[15:43]
asciilifeform	wawat	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	also http://40.media.tumblr.com/f584252cb295b9c45307981283a45bda/tumblr_nrp3qz7xyh1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg	[15:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JPUOIH )	[15:44]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190095 << old mircea_popescu-and-the-chinese thread, for extra lulz	[15:45]
assbot	Logged on 06-07-2015 20:54:46; mircea_popescu: which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis	[15:45]
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mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/b2bb5a81580b0bad166aee55e02164e8/tumblr_npt5il2KvL1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg	[15:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1fBJe5J )	[15:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: did someone mail you these and asked 'sister of mircea_popescu ?'	[15:46]
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asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000155.html << congrats pete_dushenski	[15:50]
assbot	[BTC-dev] v-genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPWJwX )	[15:50]
asciilifeform	and it appears that scoopbot is dead as a stone.	[15:50]
asciilifeform	(and has been for weeks..?)	[15:51]
trinque	workin on it.	[15:51]
trinque	bout to bring a deedbot- feeds module online	[15:51]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: your system is leaking ip.	[15:52]
asciilifeform	still.	[15:52]
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ben_vulpes	circe	[15:58]
ben_vulpes	considered harmful.	[15:58]
asciilifeform	'...For the women whose jobs are to lead men astray Circe, Delilah, Morgan Le Fey.'	[15:59]
trinque	deedbot-: feeds list	[15:59]
deedbot-	No feeds.	[15:59]
trinque	he lives	[15:59]
trinque	I'm going to let it run in private for just a bit, after which when I'm satisfied with his behavior, will add feeds here.	[16:00]
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*	asciilifeform lacks the necessary lsd to fully digest the notion of mircea_popescu moving to the world's statally-strongest, taking-no-shit-from-the-white-man mega-ethnostate	[16:14]
asciilifeform	y'know, the place which makes ru look civilized, friendly, inviting in comparison	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	this categorical judgement thing.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	how's my chances on redheads ? what's the oracle say ?	[16:18]
asciilifeform	l0l	[16:18]
asciilifeform	looks more like 'chances on pluto' to me, but hey, not my dirigible. what's the thing for if not exploring worlds.	[16:19]
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mircea_popescu	pluto. how pluto dood. no people live in china ?	[16:20]
asciilifeform	non-lactasepeople	[16:20]
mats	china loves white people. white people got da money.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know this worldview is how the south got its reputation for cousinfucking.	[16:21]
asciilifeform	i mean, if i had to give up something like eating Proper Food, i'd rather live on tree bark in siberia. nice, quiet, prolly could get a photovoltaic set and satellite horn running there.	[16:22]
asciilifeform	could prolly find a spot with nothing bipedal for 500km+	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	how are the girls going to run around naked in siberia ? get locals ?	[16:23]
asciilifeform	what girls.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, stuff you hunt is proper food.	[16:23]
asciilifeform	and think they can run naked in pekin ?	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	pekin or b-a, or timisoara or so on	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	pretty much anyone but the north american fucktardry.	[16:24]
asciilifeform	pekin has 'morals' of ussr circa 1955	[16:24]
asciilifeform	and the means to make it stick	[16:24]
asciilifeform	unless i am catastrophically misinformed.	[16:24]
asciilifeform	incidentally, if pekin, why not pyongyang ?	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	catastrophically misinformed.	[16:24]
asciilifeform	dirigible shield generator not strong enough for pyongyang ?	[16:25]
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trinque	I'm highly skeptical that a country building all the everything anyone uses on earth is anything like Pyongyang.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	why would i want to crash some lame fat fuck's party ?	[16:26]
asciilifeform	idk, but i imagine it isn't any less entertaining than crashing a lame thin fuck's party ?	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	who's the lame thin fuck of china again ? or i lost an antecedent, wut	[16:27]
asciilifeform	i bet nubbins`'s cook roomie isn't any more present in pyongyang than in pekin	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	or pluto...	[16:29]
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mircea_popescu	say, this is starting to make sense to me nopw.	[16:30]
asciilifeform	at any rate, who am i to say that mircea_popescu would not fit in cn. perhaps he has always wanted to eat roast dog, pay 90% of his revenue as bakshish to local party 'райком', and endure the stench of the most packed mass of beoble known...	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	how do you know all this ?	[16:31]
asciilifeform	largely from ru folks working into/out of cn	[16:32]
trinque	China is a gigantic country. All of it eats roast dog?	[16:32]
asciilifeform	but 'mileage may vary' (tm) (r)	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	kinda my point. working into/out of "cn". what is that ?	[16:32]
asciilifeform	trinque: neither i nor the sources can speak for 'all' of anything. but cn is a rice kingdom, yes.	[16:33]
asciilifeform	not much in the way of lactosy foodstuff served there, no.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	china is ten million square kms or some shit.	[16:33]
asciilifeform	mostly empty, like usa, ru, or au	[16:33]
trinque	right, and look at the variance you get in the USA	[16:33]
trinque	say rural south vs downtown Seattle	[16:34]
asciilifeform	but i reasoned that if mircea_popescu were an aficionado of mega-emptyspace, he'd be in patagonia now	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	so you propose to me that a 10 mn sqkm surface inhabited by ~2bn people is ENTIRELY uninhabitable, on account of the fact that... RICE grows there ?	[16:34]
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asciilifeform	the poles are habitable.	[16:34]
asciilifeform	with regular supply flights.	[16:34]
trinque	or for that matter downtown Houston vs Magnolia, TX	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	i needed regular supply flights in my own fucking country, just for having moved to the outskirts of my home province.,	[16:35]
asciilifeform	trinque: y'know what houston and magnolia have in common? 'fedex' ships there.	[16:35]
trinque	that much is true	[16:35]
trinque	nobody ships to Shenzen?	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	i have a dhl-in-the-desert pic from egypt	[16:35]
trinque	I know for a fact they ship from	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	trinque why would they :)	[16:35]
trinque	ha, you're right	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	you take water upriver much ? lol	[16:36]
trinque	they make it all there	[16:36]
asciilifeform	from - every half second!	[16:36]
asciilifeform	to - another matter. but prolly just a question of cost	[16:36]
asciilifeform	like shipping to the south pole.	[16:36]
trinque	shenzen is not the south pole lol	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	shenzen is, roughly speaking, detroit of 1920 or new jersey of 1880	[16:36]
asciilifeform	they had fresh milk in detroit 1920 ?	[16:37]
asciilifeform	or not ?	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	for whom ?	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	for the working class kids - no.	[16:37]
asciilifeform	aha.	[16:37]
asciilifeform	at any rate, this is not the class of problem which is a problem to mircea_popescu.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	im not even sure what this is.	[16:39]
asciilifeform	for him, possibly more of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724281	[16:39]
assbot	Logged on 19-06-2014 02:26:17; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ?	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	the rent in romania article i linked coupla weeks ago was discussing "affordability" in terms of, "to people makinmg 400 euro per month as an avg salary".	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	yes, that's not a concern. nevertheless, whether i buy or i don't buy is still a decision.	[16:40]
asciilifeform	who the hell moves to ro to earn the local salary though	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	and if i couldn't do business with a defined class, no matter which class, i'd have a very serious PERSONAL problem in my own estimation, and i'd go resolve it forthwith.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	;;google average salary in china	[16:41]
gribble	China Average Yearly Wages - Trading Economics: ; Wages and employment \| China Labour Bulletin: ; The average Chinese private-sector worker earns about the same ...:	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	and as to who : women.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	from ukraina.	[16:41]
asciilifeform	it isn't a 'couldn't do business,' but my current understanding is that the han chinese see white man sorta how the gypsies see european - as somebody to be scammed clean at the first opportunity.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	usure this is not just how everyone sees idiots ?	[16:42]
asciilifeform	ask al schwartz about the univ. of beijing carrying out (yes) the eotvos trials.	[16:42]
asciilifeform	or i suppose i could talk about my years of working in labs with ~50% or so cn folks, getting to know'em, but i don't imagine mircea_popescu will find this interesting	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	i would, sure.	[16:44]
asciilifeform	then, essentially, urbanized pashtuns, with tribal-familial wot hardcoded in firmware	[16:45]
asciilifeform	not related by blood or marriage ? then you're a barbarian, to be dealt with the way a teenager deals with a coke machine	[16:45]
asciilifeform	other thing is that these fine folks have been perfecting organized fraud since before euro man climbed down from trees	[16:46]
asciilifeform	ask the chemistry ph.d. how he got the sheepskin. ask the next dozen, also. 'washed glass for advisor'	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	can we has case study instead of summary ?	[16:48]
asciilifeform	few years back, they shot (or perhaps made noises of threatening to?) a mega-crystallographer in uni of beijing. he faked structures for decades, and his subordinates too	[16:48]
asciilifeform	some of these are still (!) in ncbi db on www	[16:48]
asciilifeform	^ case study	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	you're so flunking case study 101 class...	[16:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu wanted case study of folks i saw with own eyes ?	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	well yes, it's what you introduced	[16:49]
asciilifeform	very well: dr y. y., biochemistry ph.d., age mid-30s (at the time); wasted perhaps $2mil of usg piggy, and everybody's time, for 5+ yrs.	[16:50]
asciilifeform	my office mate, for a spell.	[16:50]
asciilifeform	me: 'y., why do you read the 'times' all day?' y: 'i'm bored.'	[16:50]
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asciilifeform	me: 'why did you choose this profession, y?' y: 'wanted to be respectable'	[16:51]
asciilifeform	me: 'your thesis reads just like a summary of dr. c's work'	[16:51]
asciilifeform	y: 'i washed glass for dr. c and did his excel sheets'	[16:51]
asciilifeform	enough ?	[16:52]
asciilifeform	and yes, this was one. there are moar	[16:52]
asciilifeform	perhaps completes the picture if i reveal that the man had wife, 2 y.o. son, back home. and they lived very well off his chickenfeed salary.	[16:53]
asciilifeform	and so did the grandparents.	[16:54]
trinque	k, turning on the feeds. each will barf top 5 when added.	[16:54]
trinque	deedbot-: feeds list	[16:54]
deedbot-	No feeds.	[16:54]
trinque	deedbot-: feeds add http://trilema.com/feed/rss/	[16:54]
deedbot-	http://trilema.com/feed/rss/ added.	[16:54]
assbot	Trilema ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HcAG )	[16:54]
assbot	Trilema ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HcAG )	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dunno what problem you see in there ?	[16:54]
deedbot-	[Trilema] So the broomstick fired. - http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/	[16:54]
deedbot-	[Trilema] El Gran' Teatro Argentino - http://trilema.com/2015/el-gran-teatro-argentino/	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	seems to me a lot better than $coleague	[16:54]
deedbot-	[Trilema] I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. - http://trilema.com/2015/i-killed-one-im-publishing-another-who-the-hell-knows-whats-going-on-anymore/	[16:54]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations - http://trilema.com/2015/oglaf-is-still-the-biggest-thing-happening-in-english-and-other-considerations/	[16:54]
assbot	So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )	[16:54]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Naivity in finance - http://trilema.com/2015/naivity-in-finance/	[16:54]
assbot	El Gran' Teatro Argentino on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HibC )	[16:54]
assbot	I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HirT )	[16:54]
assbot	Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HhEz )	[16:54]
assbot	Naivity in finance on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBBII6 )	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[16:55]
trinque	maybe assbot could ignore deedbot- ^	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	he used to, but then we changed it's name	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla update plox	[16:55]
trinque	deedbot-: feeds add http://qntra.net/feed/	[16:55]
deedbot-	http://qntra.net/feed/ added.	[16:55]
assbot	Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9Hwzs )	[16:55]
assbot	Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9Hwzs )	[16:55]
trinque	and I recall conversation around phuctor's rss. should I add it?	[16:56]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation - http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/	[16:56]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork - http://qntra.net/2015/08/collected-notes-on-the-xt-client-and-xtcoin-fork/	[16:56]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans - http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/	[16:56]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Mining Difficulty Advances For The Fourth Consecutive Time - http://qntra.net/2015/08/mining-difficulty-advances-for-the-fourth-consecutive-time/	[16:56]
assbot	Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HDej )	[16:56]
deedbot-	[Qntra] BitBet Prediction Market Opens XTCoin Bet, Pool already over 100 BTC - http://qntra.net/2015/08/bitbet-prediction-market-opens-xtcoin-bet-pool-already-over-100-btc/	[16:56]
assbot	Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9HEyO )	[16:56]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Windows 10 Banned From Numerous Torrent Trackers - http://qntra.net/2015/08/windows-10-banned-from-numerous-torrent-trackers/	[16:56]
assbot	Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )	[16:56]
assbot	Mining Difficulty Advances For The Fourth Consecutive Time \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kg2TFm )	[16:56]
assbot	BitBet Prediction Market Opens XTCoin Bet, Pool already over 100 BTC \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1EdS9GG )	[16:56]
assbot	Windows 10 Banned From Numerous Torrent Trackers \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPIzfh )	[16:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: perhaps more on subject, the interesting and magic moment came when a middle-aged animal handler chick from cn was fired (over long-standing dispute over a paper's attribution) with the (.in) chief	[16:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: whole orchestra of cn folks, many who did not even appear in the org chart but somehow had leverage, appeared out of nowhere, making a fuss	[16:57]
asciilifeform	simply because bloodwot.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	danke.	[16:59]
kakobrekla	yup	[16:59]
BingoBoingo	The biodiesel revolution has started http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/surgeon-uses-human-fat-to-run-his-cars-1211431.html	[17:01]
assbot	Surgeon uses human fat to run his cars - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9IHyJ )	[17:01]
BingoBoingo	"However the discovery left medical regulators unimpressed. Using human medical waste to power vehicles (or indeed for any other commercial purpose) is largely illegal, and Dr Bittner's clinic has been raided by California Health Department officials."	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	that's what they did to th ewater engine too'!!11!11!	[17:02]
BingoBoingo	Seriously.	[17:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: my point is that china is different from ro, ar, usa, in several interesting ways which mircea_popescu appears to heavily discount the importance of. perhaps he has own reasons for this, but i couldn't possible know them..	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	well for sure us is very similar to ro, in the following amusing way : /me clearly recalls arab fellow living in romania explaining to me the problems with gypsies.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	adding to the amusement, the part that he wasn't aware that to the average romanian, the arab,gypsy difference seems slight. but i suspect you know in english russian, chinese, same deal.	[17:05]
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*	BingoBoingo more curious how mircea_popescu plans to get real internet in .cn	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	but that aside, i have very little hope left to be much surprised by people.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	what, they dont have cable ?	[17:08]
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BingoBoingo	Don't they have that wall thing to keep the Mongols lost and until they get found, but for internet	[17:09]
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asciilifeform	but i, for one, look forward to reading mircea_popescu's description of life in middle kingdom!!	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	o right. how am i going to get encrypted connections to my various servers. i dunno, BingoBoingo !	[17:10]
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mircea_popescu	maybe i discover they drop payloads at the backbone level	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	LIKE YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW	[17:10]
asciilifeform	nah why do that when you can hang a man upside down and cut off his skin until have they key.	[17:10]
BingoBoingo	sure, or they throttle the white man's speed	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it wasn't discussed as anything more than a very vague possibility. just, your objections got rejected is all!	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo why would i get it in my own name ?	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	they don't have women in china, either ?!	[17:11]
asciilifeform	from the linked photo earlier, i am still uncertain they they have women..	[17:11]
asciilifeform	women have curvez	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	that was a woman.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	what, you mean like an ass ?	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/80446b96cff15b13f481d9b3f2ed9844/tumblr_mv8nr8bbPE1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg	[17:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I9LiIY )	[17:13]
lobbes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-08-2015#1249978 << On the contrary. I was able to get the updated fork installed on my server Saturday, which contains the re-written RSS plugin.	[17:21]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 04:38:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes your bot is dead ?	[17:21]
lobbes	Of course, with this update lobbesbot seems to have new problems communicating with assbot. In summary, all that is left is to figure out how to get lobbesbot to !up himself again..	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	pm up dun werk ?	[17:22]
lobbes	for some reason, the OTP from assbot doesn't get sent to the messages.log like it used to pre-limnoria	[17:22]
lobbes	I'm sure I'm just missing something obvious	[17:22]
trinque	alright, well, this is the 3rd time I've had to get feeds going on mine	[17:24]
trinque	mind if I just keep doing it?	[17:24]
lobbes	well, I can't really say 'no.' If you've got a working solution, there's no need to wait for my derpage	[17:25]
kakobrekla	well, i dont mind who runs rss bot - but - usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	iirc yes	[17:25]
trinque	parsimony strikes again; I'll endeavor to avoid busses	[17:25]
trinque	my bot voices himself	[17:26]
kakobrekla	yeah cause you are irrogant	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	i even lost count, we're on 7 now ?	[17:26]
trinque	oddly enough yes	[17:26]
kakobrekla	!s rss sucks	[17:26]
assbot	3 results for 'rss sucks' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rss+sucks	[17:26]
trinque	something like that	[17:26]
kakobrekla	i even added rss to assbot for bens jeniks - which got shut down a day after.	[17:28]
trinque	I've had a working module for months at least, but was letting somebody else take a job	[17:29]
trinque	but lo, I am trinque, eater of bots	[17:29]
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lobbes	usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler << so, in other words, no need for assbot voicing?	[17:31]
kakobrekla	aha	[17:31]
trinque	how hard is it	[17:33]
kakobrekla	you avoid gpg	[17:33]
trinque	and?	[17:33]
kakobrekla	less code = better	[17:33]
trinque	no, the right amount of code is better	[17:33]
kakobrekla	the right amount being less in this particular case :)	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	it's really no huge deal either way,	[17:35]
trinque	so why don't you set rules for everyone to be autovoiced when authed with nickserv	[17:35]
trinque	as per some list	[17:35]
trinque	I don't want to spend another morning farting around with something as inconsequential as an RSS plugin	[17:35]
kakobrekla	do you expect to find shakespeare in your server logz?	[17:36]
trinque	I expect that someone who says "I will run an RSS bot" does it	[17:36]
trinque	so they don't waste my time	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	nah, the autovoice thing going away is prolly the right direction anyway	[17:36]
trinque	notably the bitching about how someone else wants to do it comes after I've put work into bringing mine back online	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	uh. did i miss something ?	[17:36]
kakobrekla	dunno, he seems pissed.	[17:36]
trinque	I'm not pissed at all. lobbes here seems to want to do scoops.	[17:37]
lobbes	trinque: not scoops, per se. I've just been on a quest to handle alf's phuctor feed	[17:37]
lobbes	the rest, I thought was williamdunne	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly much better stuff to get worked up over.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	who was selling all those bitbet bets	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	;;seen TheNewDeal	[17:46]
gribble	TheNewDeal was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: !down TheNewDeal	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b18 ? :D	[17:47]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:47]
assbot	BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 1.48 B (14%) on Yes, 8.9 B (86%) on No \| closing in 2 weeks 3 hours \| weight: 59`576 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9SzZt )	[17:47]
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trinque	kakobrekla: at the time I wrote deedbot- there was an agreement that the thing should voice itself when I asked you to autovoice it.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	that agreement was mostly me delicately pushing evolution.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	it's not a bad thing, evolution.	[17:51]
trinque	seems the right way to me. fits using another means of communication at some later date, too	[17:52]
trinque	anywho, I am just trying to keep the gears turning. I'm not "pissed"	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform thinking about it, "choose this profession" thing might be the distillate of the issue. on one hand, the evidence that suchg a thinbg as "choosing your profession" even exuists in nature is slight at best. take the longstanding observation that "a young researcher will end up in that field where he encounters the first success".	[17:53]
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mircea_popescu	also the cui prodest analysis comes out very heavily charged. apparently the only people who'd benefit from you think "you chose" "your" "profession" are the people selling professions, and choice.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	"now you chose it, it's yours, you gotta upkeep it" goes the taxation verbiage. just like... wait for it...	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	just like the puritan view of a wife.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile back at mr x's camp : he chose nothing and no profesion. he can eat here. what's your problem ?	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	and in those terms, your problem is "why are you such an asshole" which comes directly to "why don't you wash like we do".	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	his answer is plain : because nobody forced him to.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	because you're not tough enough to, so there it goes.	[17:55]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm not in the 'morals' business. but personally prefer the company of folks who wash, at least on occasion.	[17:56]
asciilifeform	and to work in fields where honest work is carried out at least on occasion	[17:56]
asciilifeform	etc.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	i prefer the company of intelligent folks.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	will put up with almost anything else.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	but i can't stand dumb.	[17:57]
asciilifeform	dr y. wasn't dumb. merely entirely uninteresting, preoccupied with details of daily life as a not-especially-well-of d.c. resident, e.g., where the 'cheapest' petrol is to be had	[17:58]
asciilifeform	*off	[17:58]
*	mircea_popescu can readily envisage the situation where, being dirigiblewrecked on same lab, would prefer the company of mr x over pretty much everyone in the dept.	[17:58]
kakobrekla	!up williamdunne	[17:58]
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kakobrekla	now you can	[17:58]
asciilifeform	where to get new tires.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	first generation transplant huh	[17:58]
asciilifeform	aha	[17:58]
asciilifeform	and not really perma-transplant	[17:58]
asciilifeform	but off-to-make-a-little-dough	[17:59]
williamdunne	+1 on auto-upping some nicks. I wanted to re-write Scoop in a language that doesn't use JIT and other such crap, but many languages lack GPG libraries that actually work.	[17:59]
williamdunne	i.e clisp lacks a documented library afaik	[17:59]
williamdunne	D required a hacky method of telling the application to use the command line	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	hopefully we get a pgp implementation that's usable sometime this side of the decade.	[17:59]
mike_c	don't we already have a scoop?	[17:59]
asciilifeform	williamdunne: please try to avoid referring to common lisp as 'clisp' in the interest of not confusing n00bz - clisp is a thing, it is a (pretty poor) free implementation of common lisp	[17:59]
asciilifeform	(a particular proggy)	[17:59]
mike_c	now maintained by someone who might keep it up more than a week	[17:59]
asciilifeform	http://www.clisp.org << get it (or, i recommend, don't!) here	[18:00]
assbot	CLISP - an ANSI Common Lisp Implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1hXgyGm )	[18:00]
asciilifeform	williamdunne: my current understanding is that there is not, on this planet, a 'gpg library that actually works' - period, full-stop.	[18:01]
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williamdunne	Ok, well lets settle on works well enough for the rather limited goal	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	consumers haven't come to expect.	[18:02]
asciilifeform	williamdunne: if you want to pgp, you're mostly stuck with shell call-outs to classical gpg.	[18:02]
asciilifeform	hope you're on a reasonable unix.	[18:02]
asciilifeform	and don't have sensitive key material in the mix.	[18:02]
mike_c	^ why?	[18:02]
mike_c	can't do much useful without it.	[18:03]
williamdunne	I'm on Ubuntu running GnuPG 1.4.16	[18:03]
williamdunne	mike_c: I'm assuming he's meaning airgapping	[18:03]
asciilifeform	timing and malformed-chosen-ciphertext attax, for instance.	[18:03]
asciilifeform	not to mention that there is no effective way to do this across airgap	[18:03]
mike_c	hm. mpex hasn't been cracked by that yet.	[18:03]
asciilifeform	mike_c: iirc mpex runs using meatbots carrying ciphertext/plaintext to/from.	[18:04]
mike_c	hehe, no way	[18:04]
mike_c	you send encrypted message, get encrypted response back in real time	[18:04]
asciilifeform	not if coin moves ?	[18:04]
mike_c	"coin".. you do on trades.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	mpex is not open to general public tho	[18:05]
asciilifeform	i'll let mircea_popescu answer this one (if he feels like..) - iirc there is also a 'diode' in there somewhere	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	runs a sort of "can afford 50 btc" wot	[18:05]
mike_c	malformed ciphertext is just theoretical, no? never seen in wild?	[18:06]
asciilifeform	mike_c: depends what you mean 'the wild'	[18:06]
mike_c	i mean nobody (here) knows of any real example of this working.	[18:06]
mike_c	i mean, what's it going to do? root the box? I guess that's worst case.	[18:07]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: you probably own one of the most valuable pgp/email lists going..	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	nah, mpex is "potemkins all the way down". i read it on reddit.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	also #b-a is just a treefort and so on	[18:08]
williamdunne	;;ud potemkins	[18:08]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potemkin \| Comes from a legend of Governor Potemkin of Crimea who supposedly created sham villages (Potemkin Villages) to impress his queen from a distance, but this ...	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	yeah amusingly i had the same problem lol	[18:09]
williamdunne	That's a pretty cool word	[18:09]
williamdunne	I like it	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	whathavei.jpg	[18:09]
asciilifeform	mike_c: the basic concept here is the same as in hygiene elsewhere. i, personally, do not know of anyone who has become ill from, e.g., eating rotting carcass. but i refrain nonetheless.	[18:10]
asciilifeform	re: 'in the wild.'	[18:10]
asciilifeform	generally you do not want to hook up a machine with sensitive keymat to public.	[18:11]
asciilifeform	if there is any way to avoid it.	[18:11]
asciilifeform	(including, imho most often, not doing the thing at all)	[18:11]
mike_c	sure, generally. but if you're building a pgp interface.. obviously assbot has done so	[18:11]
asciilifeform	assbot only verifies.	[18:11]
asciilifeform	it does not access privkeymat	[18:11]
mike_c	right. but if you want to build a service that has proper message security, how else to do it?	[18:12]
asciilifeform	meatnet.	[18:12]
asciilifeform	or not at all.	[18:12]
mike_c	well, don't tell that to mpex.	[18:12]
asciilifeform	meatnet, at least in weak form, doesn't have to mean gurlz carrying floppy disks	[18:13]
asciilifeform	could simply mean a 300 baud link over 'diode' and optical fiber, to next room, with 24/7 eyes watching the text	[18:13]
trinque	heh, sounds a lot like the human fuel gauge in Waterworld	[18:14]
asciilifeform	aha.	[18:14]
trinque	http://www.moviescreenshot.com/pics/200708_oldpeople/3.jpg	[18:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I9YIF3 )	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	"MegaIndex - powerfull analytics tool which allows to get comprehensive report about web-site's incoming and outgoing links." <, in other news, i am persuaded 50% or more of webtrafic is meta.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	people trying to figure out whence other people get traffic.	[18:15]
asciilifeform	nah. trying to figure out whence other people get their meta.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	ironically enough, i serve millions of pages/day to various of these idiots, and none yet has managed to observe that they do not get articles.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	because srsly, trilema paid content thing "is just not done"	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	so bing and yahoo and ahrefs and who have you dozens of names literally still dutifully "index"	[18:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is certain they don't see articles? what kinda spammer uses anything but a fresh ip ?	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	and prepare "rteports" and their granny on a stick.	[18:17]
thestringpuller	trinque: ah. I remember that scene.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform these guys. they don't think themselves spammers.	[18:17]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: will the eyes scale? if a lot of cipher text turds are being thrown around you'd have to have a lot of eyes, as I can't imagine this scaling very well.	[18:18]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: my kitchen doesn't scale either.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't ?!	[18:18]
asciilifeform	nor my toilet can accomodate 10,000 shits per day	[18:18]
trinque	not with that attitude	[18:18]
asciilifeform	!b 4	[18:18]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/296D8NR.txt )	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	lmao.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	come to shenzen, we make 10k fit.	[18:18]
*	asciilifeform half-sold already	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	anyone remember that retarded chinese satellite launch thing where all the hopped up boys had to report PLAN OVERDELIVERED!!!	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	"1.8 seconds faster than"	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	"blablabla".	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	so asciilifeform shit thinner, faster, be a shenzen-er today!	[18:19]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: the clockwork orange method i see.	[18:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what's so hot about shenzen in particular	[18:20]
asciilifeform	why not, e.g., wuhan	[18:21]
asciilifeform	(where they make spiffy pcb !)	[18:21]
asciilifeform	or hk for that matter..	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	not hot at all. i just picked a random name, cuz some interwebs chick was from there. then you got all immuno-responsive on me.	[18:21]
asciilifeform	l0l	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	as if they ate your dog or something	[18:22]
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asciilifeform	nah, dog i could go for	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	they ate your... penis ?	[18:22]
asciilifeform	(can one milk dog ?)	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	it's disgustingly sweet.	[18:22]
*	asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu has considered/tried singapore	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	still with the fucking islands ?	[18:26]
asciilifeform	sg is an island like staten island, new york	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	i don't live on staten island, either.	[18:27]
asciilifeform	not overly fond of the sea, i take it ?	[18:28]
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mircea_popescu	btw you ever seen their formidable class ?	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	"we found some old tigers and we made them boats!"	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	and im very fond of the sea for just as long as the distance between us is my decision.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	like with any other woman.	[18:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: altimeter solves that one, no?	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[18:30]
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mircea_popescu	Bitcoin Professionals - Looking For Bitcoin Talent? Ad www.cryptoconsortium.org <<< someone got so many "bitcoin professionals" they're paying google to help give them away.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	"A Certified Bitcoin Professional is knowledgeable about the Bitcoin blockchain, Bitcoin transactions, and how the Bitcoin network operates. CBPs are able to apply Bitcoin technology to their professional area of expertise"	[18:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: old lulz, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-02-2015#1020030	[18:44]
assbot	Logged on 15-02-2015 23:29:43; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it?	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[18:44]
asciilifeform	yeah that one	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	lolz.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	you know this occurs to me - it WOULD be helpful if we had an actual "Bitcoin Basics Qualification" thing.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	so random person can score their own proficiency.	[18:45]
asciilifeform	what'd that be	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	same thing as the color test was. or should have been,	[18:45]
asciilifeform	imho 'had x coin last year, still have it now' is a pretty good test	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	"do you see a 5 here ? no ? you're blind mofo"	[18:45]
asciilifeform	even if slow	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	good if unrelated.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	"had a cunt 5years ago, still has it - clearly qualified as woman"	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	depends.	[18:46]
*	mircea_popescu is half tempted to write this.	[18:47]
asciilifeform	write^!	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	dja promise to lol at it ?	[18:48]
asciilifeform	i most certainly shall.	[18:48]
*	asciilifeform off for a spell	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	wtf am i gonna do tho, make it multiple choice ?!	[18:48]
mats	djia closes another 500 hundred points down	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	mats aha	[18:49]
mats	lulululul	[18:49]
mats	am no longer unsure about my decision last month to empty my retirement savings plan and buy buttcoins	[18:50]
mats	by no means do I think this is safe, but hey, risk taking is for the young	[18:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00071948 = 27.2323 BTC [-]	[18:56]
mats	http://boards.openpandora.org/topic/15820-starcraft/	[19:01]
assbot	Starcraft - Software News - OpenPandora Boards ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eg2rWA )	[19:01]
mats	Starcraft REd to run on ARM	[19:01]
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mats	https://twitter.com/shodanhq/status/635866808105455616	[19:07]
danielpbarron	!up yamaka	[19:07]
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mats	http://fusion.net/story/149611/silicon-valleys-infamous-startup-castle-is-getting-evicted	[19:13]
assbot	Silicon Valley's infamous 'Startup Castle' is getting evicted \| Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eg3Cp0 )	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	!j	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	!h	[19:13]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	mats cool, it could join the armory ?	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	(the kink.com armory)	[19:14]
mats	TIL kink.com bought The Armory on Mission St	[19:15]
mats	passed by many times, had no idea	[19:16]
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mircea_popescu	long ago	[19:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26688 @ 0.00071952 = 19.2025 BTC [+] {2}	[19:24]
mats	http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/16/a-disproof-of-the-one-time-pad lulz	[19:25]
assbot	An (Important) Disproof Of The One-Time Pad \| TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eg4CcV )	[19:25]
punkman	^special kind of tard?	[19:28]
ben_vulpes	http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote/55617 << product of the local 'feel good and have bad ideas' woodchipper	[19:32]
assbot	SXSW PanelPicker ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eg58aM )	[19:32]
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mats	http://www.natlawreview.com/article/breaking-news-ftc-vs-wyndham-update-privacy-monday-august-24-2015	[19:45]
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mats	>the three-judge panel upheld U.S. District Judge Esther Salas’ ruling that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has the authority under the “unfairness” prong of Section 5 of the FTC Act to bring suit against companies over data security practices.	[19:46]
mats	now just how this is gonna play will be amusing to watch	[19:46]
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BingoBoingo	"addr" : "128.8.124.7:5097", "subver" : "/UMD-Coinscope:0.0/", "startingheight" : 346223, << Fuckers aren't even completely sync'd	[19:52]
danielpbarron	!up from_vice	[19:52]
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punkman	danielpbarron: were you leaving comments at vice?	[19:53]
danielpbarron	yeah that one time and yeah it was a webchat link naming the victim "from_vice"	[19:53]
danielpbarron	was a few months ago if i recall correctly	[19:54]
punkman	just saw the trailer for this http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc4MzIzNTk3Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMTYyNzA5NDE@._V1__SX1857_SY851_.jpg	[19:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KICwne )	[19:58]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250905 << mega-l0l!!	[19:58]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 22:23:52; mats: http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/16/a-disproof-of-the-one-time-pad lulz	[19:58]
asciilifeform	this is almost as good as the 'monty hall problem' tard-sauce	[19:59]
pete_dushenski	punkman lol 'halal pictures presents'	[19:59]
danielpbarron	my 0.5.4-beta node is up to height=231807 and syncing much faster than any machine i've ever maintained (due in part to the wonderful DISCARD BASTARD BLOCK feature, and in part to this particular machine having 8 gigs of ram)	[19:59]
pete_dushenski	almost as good as kosher	[19:59]
punkman	not sure why, but I love this composition http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjYzMTkyOTMwMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMjYyNzA5NDE@._V1__SX1857_SY851_.jpg	[19:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KICJXB )	[19:59]
asciilifeform	was that thing even serious?	[20:00]
asciilifeform	or a parody piece	[20:00]
asciilifeform	i can't tell	[20:00]
punkman	asciilifeform: he even has an app that uses OTPs	[20:00]
pete_dushenski	danielpbarron nice	[20:01]
asciilifeform	i mean, this is 'tungsten melts in your mouth'-grade tardation	[20:02]
BingoBoingo	43 is teal	[20:03]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell trinque http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss	[20:04]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:04]
assbot	Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDnoAY )	[20:04]
trinque	deedbot-: feeds add http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss	[20:04]
deedbot-	http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss added.	[20:04]
asciilifeform	re: the evicted 'castle': 'Do you have a fancy college degree or a job in a STEM field? Do you have fewer than two tattoos? Do you avoid Tinder dates and songs with explicit lyrics? Do you spend more than two hours a day exercising? Then you may be qualified to live at the Startup Castle, a self-proclaimed “community of excellence” located in a 17,000-square foot mansion in Woodside, California, just minutes from Stanford	[20:04]
asciilifeform	’s campus.' (from same rag)	[20:04]
assbot	Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDnoAY )	[20:04]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Loon - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/loon/	[20:04]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Blackout - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/21/blackout/	[20:04]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A Beautiful Mind - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/22/a-beautiful-mind/	[20:04]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] So what’s a “client” in the Roman sense of the term ? - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/23/so-whats-a-client-in-the-roman-sense-of-the-term/	[20:04]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Blood and guts, pain and pleasure, creation and destruction. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/24/blood-and-guts-pain-and-pleasure-creation-and-destruction/	[20:04]
danielpbarron	especially nice considering that i'm using one of my old 5400 IDE-cable hard drives, and not even in a mirroring raid!	[20:04]
asciilifeform	( http://fusion.net/story/134163/silicon-valleys-startup-castle-is-looking-for-roommates-and-the-requirements-are-completely-bonkers )	[20:05]
assbot	Silicon Valley's 'Startup Castle' is looking for roommates, and the requirements are completely bonkers \| Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDnsAx )	[20:05]
asciilifeform	^ pure lulgold	[20:05]
punkman	trinque: you gotta make the thing not post the backlog	[20:05]
trinque	why?	[20:05]
pete_dushenski	trinque guess i coulda done that too eh. but thx!	[20:06]
trinque	it only listens to me at the moment	[20:06]
trinque	and np	[20:06]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250681 << truly the darndest thing.	[20:07]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 20:24:27; mircea_popescu: trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a	[20:07]
trinque	keeping things alive is the hardest problem	[20:07]
pete_dushenski	for bots as for people	[20:08]
pete_dushenski	as for plants etc	[20:08]
trinque	indeed	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	Well pete_dushenski Your blog is the one that tends to send RSS botmakers running screaming	[20:08]
pete_dushenski	ikr!	[20:09]
pete_dushenski	the 'contravex curse'	[20:09]
BingoBoingo	Or maybe you just really have done something deeply and utterly wrong with your RSS	[20:09]
pete_dushenski	we'll now see how deedbot-'s immune system holds up against it	[20:09]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo not impossibru, but i really haven't diddled with it. then again, perhaps that's the issue	[20:10]
pete_dushenski	why should i expect anything to work out of the box ?	[20:11]
BingoBoingo	Maybe you sleep diddled it? Maybe RSS just really dun like Jooz.	[20:11]
pete_dushenski	what is this, the future ?	[20:11]
BingoBoingo	Unfortunately	[20:11]
ben_vulpes	wordpress ca. 2014 iirc when you set your thing up	[20:11]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo rss likes trilema well enough. and i'll be damned if it's smart enough to tell the difference between mp's jooiness and mine	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes true, but same for qntra	[20:12]
BingoBoingo	MP's just jooey, but not jooish	[20:12]
BingoBoingo	Could be your "theme"	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	Could be some derpy plugin	[20:13]
pete_dushenski	in any event	[20:14]
pete_dushenski	trinque's on it now	[20:14]
trinque	anybody sees any weirdness, just lemme know.	[20:15]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes you catch this http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/loon/#identifier_0_5010 ?	[20:17]
assbot	Loon \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDo6hm )	[20:17]
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asciilifeform	http://www.startupcastle.org << gone.	[20:22]
assbot	Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDom04 )	[20:23]
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asciilifeform	!s from:from_vice	[20:23]
assbot	14 results for 'from:from_vice' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Afrom_vice	[20:23]
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asciilifeform	'Imagine one day having your bed converted into a bunk bed without your consent. Being promised food to be included in the fee you pay only to be yelled at when the food runs out. Witnessing an ex-military dude marching around the house yelling at people who didn’t “keep their shit clean enough”. '	[20:27]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[20:27]
asciilifeform	'This place is a prison. It’s like living in the Hotel California, except we can’t even drink wine here.'	[20:27]
mats	paying 1k/mo to share a room in this place	[20:30]
mats	genius	[20:30]
asciilifeform	komyoonity of excellence !!1111!!111	[20:30]
asciilifeform	i admit that i kinda half expect this sort of thing to catch on	[20:31]
asciilifeform	'millenials' enlisting in some crackpot 'boot camp' and paying for the privilege of receiving the whippings father never gave'em, etc	[20:32]
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pete_dushenski	'Ben & Pete’s Magickal Skool For Kidz Who Can Mebbe Not Suck' (tm) (r)	[20:34]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250150 << what sort of stuck is this ?	[20:38]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 15:39:08; PeterL: well, I have had it stuck in a "retirement account" for a few years now, seemed like a good idea back when I put it in ... bleh	[20:38]
pete_dushenski	sure, there are rules, regs, penalties, and whatever nonsense between you and your 401k bezzlars, but it's not like a little pain and a little friction now isn't a damned reasonable price to pay to avoid a lot of pain and an impossible amount of friction later	[20:39]
pete_dushenski	i had the same 'stuck' in 2013 and i can tell you that it's not the end of the world to unjam	[20:40]
pete_dushenski	anyone in a similar position is henceforth advised that, yes, it's possible to become unstuck from retirement scams that you will never see the proceeds from	[20:41]
pete_dushenski	and it requires no special training	[20:41]
pete_dushenski	just. do. it.	[20:41]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: there's precisely one that this doesn't work for	[20:41]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: do you know which ?	[20:42]
pete_dushenski	hm. i do not.	[20:42]
pete_dushenski	the retiree eating out of his savings fund ?	[20:42]
asciilifeform	it's the one where plantation owner doesn't see any logical reason to give the slave anything to store up	[20:42]
asciilifeform	because his 'retirement' is.. last bullet	[20:42]
punkman	asciilifeform: not like there's much left in the retirement funds here, but this is not possible	[20:43]
asciilifeform	mega-possible	[20:43]
asciilifeform	and pete_dushenski has it.	[20:43]
asciilifeform	i fully expect to eat every penny i ever saved, at some point, and then starve.	[20:44]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets - http://qntra.net/2015/08/twitter-forbids-monitoring-politicians-deleted-tweets/	[20:44]
asciilifeform	'Indeed imagine a world where messages broadcasted publicly could be recorded. A world where screen shots and web archiving tools can preserve the content of broadcasted messages indefinitely, and where comparing the publication medium to an archived record can reveal otherwise unannounced retractions. In short imagine the real world as it actually is.' << gold	[20:44]
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pete_dushenski	haha yup, homerun.	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	thank you asciilifeform	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	and pete_dushenski	[20:46]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform you and mp's grandpa with your starving	[20:47]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: not same starvation	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	got traditions to upkeep :D	[20:48]
asciilifeform	l0l	[20:48]
pete_dushenski	ha!	[20:48]
pete_dushenski	keeping me in the stone age eh ?	[20:48]
pete_dushenski	well, that's tradition for ya	[20:48]
asciilifeform	;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml	[20:49]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:49]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWSoYCetG6A	[20:49]
assbot	Fiddler on the roof tradition - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDppwX )	[20:49]
pete_dushenski	^saw local production of fiddler last night as part of 'the fringe' festival (as was covered in recent contravex reviews). unfortunately, other than a hell of a tevye and a rather lovely hodel, the cast of 45 was unbearably atrocious	[20:52]
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felipelalli	asciilifeform, I sent you two things. Which one should I send to the mailing list?	[20:52]
pete_dushenski	cows with tuning forks up their asses could hold a better tune than golde	[20:52]
felipelalli	The auth.sh fix?	[20:52]
asciilifeform	felipelalli: anything pertaining to therealbitcoin	[20:53]
pete_dushenski	the local production had this 'make accessible' and 'involve whole community' mandate branded on their stupid skulls, with entirely predictable results	[20:53]
felipelalli	asciilifeform, ok, I'm sorry. I did not want to pollute the list.	[20:53]
pete_dushenski	the riff-raff they let in wouldn't cut it in any of the high school or junior high productions i was in	[20:54]
asciilifeform	but polluting my mailbox is a-ok? l0l	[20:54]
asciilifeform	if it pertains to therealbitcoin, it belongs on the list	[20:54]
felipelalli	asciilifeform, ok, I'll try :)	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml <<< ahahaha epic.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski thatre's a dead concern everywhere. and even opera.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	ludovic xiv may say 'l'etat c'est moi', but i am not therealbitcoin !	[20:59]
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asciilifeform	felipelalli, others: btc-dev@therealbitcoin.org.	[20:59]
felipelalli	I sent to this.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	mno.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	you didn't.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	!up phf_	[21:01]
-assbot-	You voiced phf_ for 30 minutes.	[21:01]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu sounds like it's definitely dead in buenos aires	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	scala is fucking dead.	[21:02]
pete_dushenski	since when ?	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	at least a decade.	[21:05]
thestringpuller	wassup pete_dushenski	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu hm	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller hey dude	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller i've only ever migrated a blog from wp to wp	[21:06]
pete_dushenski	trying googling 'migrate from tumblr to wp'	[21:06]
pete_dushenski	or something to that effect	[21:06]
pete_dushenski	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/22/how-one-german-millennial-chose-to-live-on-trains-rather-than-pay-rent/ << speaking of 'millenial' living conditions	[21:10]
assbot	How one German millennial chose to live on trains rather than pay rent - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDquVC )	[21:10]
pete_dushenski	"financially, she benefits from living on a train: The flat-rate ticket costs her about $380, whereas she had to pay about $450 for her previous apartment."	[21:10]
trinque	definitely not poverty, no. it's a lifestyle choice.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[21:16]
asciilifeform	mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:	[21:16]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000156.html	[21:16]
assbot	[BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtSNzo )	[21:16]
trinque	mircea_popescu \| a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 << lol, we'll see how it goes	[21:16]
trinque	asciilifeform: neat	[21:17]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, im writing this "Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification", bbs.	[21:19]
asciilifeform	felipelalli: you gotta be in l2 to write to the ml.	[21:23]
asciilifeform	!rate felipelalli 1 therealbitcoin tester	[21:24]
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asciilifeform	!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.felipelalli.1:2951510f4374b25561726239e37964d38c3e3dbdca8486ea7d63620deef0271f	[21:24]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: therealbitcoin tester	[21:24]
trinque	!gettrust assbot felipelalli	[21:25]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=felipelalli \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/	[21:25]
trinque	asciilifeform: ^	[21:25]
asciilifeform	hm.	[21:25]
trinque	he can up himself here, and submit deeds	[21:25]
asciilifeform	then nfi.	[21:25]
asciilifeform	jurov awake?	[21:25]
asciilifeform	jurov: anything in caught in turdatron gluetrap from felipelalli ?	[21:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52359 @ 0.00071734 = 37.5592 BTC [-]	[21:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43797 @ 0.0007205 = 31.5557 BTC [+] {2}	[21:32]
asciilifeform	'Fork of python-gnupg-0.3.2, patched to fix a potential vulnerability which could result in remote code execution, do to unsanitised inputs being passed to subprocess.Popen([...], shell=True)'	[21:34]
asciilifeform	aahahahahaha	[21:34]
trinque	it is at this point I'll note for the attentive readers that I parse my inputs myself, tyvm	[21:35]
trinque	this aside from the beauty of dealing only in one's WoT	[21:36]
asciilifeform	( https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg )	[21:38]
assbot	isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2tMTd )	[21:38]
asciilifeform	creates more questions than answers - why this fix, if essential, not snarfed upstream, for instance ?	[21:38]
phf	"gem" culture?	[21:39]
asciilifeform	?	[21:39]
phf	like ruby gems, famous for having a fashionable veneer ("we do DSL like lisp!") and horrible buggy 80% code	[21:40]
phf	is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem"	[21:42]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250283 << there's always, say, istria, riga, or montreal	[21:43]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 17:27:24; mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i can't picture him choosing to walk usg earth again	[21:43]
asciilifeform	which istria, riga, montreal all are.	[21:44]
*	pete_dushenski goes back to drawing board	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform & everyone interested : http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/	[21:44]
assbot	Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDscGp )	[21:44]
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*	asciilifeform reads	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	note that it's a draft yet at rfc stage and im still actively working on it	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	so make sugestions.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	just - the broad scheme should be visible, so might as well share.	[21:45]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform though riga is damn near russian territory, and if not yet, soon to be again	[21:45]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: rigs is a holy place to me, but only for so long as the golden little tins keep a'comin'	[21:45]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0816/7387/products/RigaSpratsAdro160g_large.jpeg?v=1428892909 << them	[21:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hDsgWC )	[21:46]
asciilifeform	*riga	[21:46]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: but i have given up trying to fit some kind of earthling logic to mircea_popescu's moves	[21:47]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: spiffy quiz piece	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	what's missing ?	[21:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: some suggested items, in no particular order, here goes,	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	especially re the math and cs.	[21:50]
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mircea_popescu	(/me doubts anyone here would pass section B, fwiw)	[21:50]
asciilifeform	mathematics. 'what is a trapdoor function?'	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	instead of hash ?	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	i was aiming for that nebulous cloud.	[21:51]
asciilifeform	aha. broader concept.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	good point huh.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	ima do that instead of hash.	[21:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is hands-down the part 'b' lecturer, aha	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	dont want too much googlable shit anyway	[21:52]
asciilifeform	i won't even touch 'b'	[21:52]
asciilifeform	though how did b-3 end up there ?	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	"bitcoin - be your own bank! wut ?"	[21:53]
asciilifeform	i suppose that'd be a hint as to the answer, wouldntit	[21:53]
asciilifeform	(the 'chained ciphers' one)	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	oh b-5	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	mistake fixing	[21:53]
asciilifeform	i still don't see it, btw. if re-encrypting could result in weakening, it would be a cryptoanalytic tool (as it in fact is for certain misimplemented rsatrons, actually)	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	but you presume you'd use the same thing.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	whereas no. this is not said.	[21:55]
asciilifeform	re: the rsa thing, 'superencryption' is the term of art	[21:55]
asciilifeform	same thing ?	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	you think we e discussing F(F(F(x))) whereas we did not say a=b=F	[21:55]
asciilifeform	the use of multiple ciphersystems, presumably (if operator is not entirely retarded) would be something like 'first aes with key k1, then the output with serpent and key k2, then twofish with k3....' etc	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	right	[21:56]
asciilifeform	this was not the scheme intended in this puzzle ?	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	it was, yes.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	i am at a total loss as to how this results in a weaker system	[21:57]
asciilifeform	unless catastrophically misimplemented	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	in one famous case, because this allows you to pass a null parameter	[21:57]
asciilifeform	in such a way as to make the above description false	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	which the underlying function is not ready to handle	[21:57]
asciilifeform	aha then this.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	well yes that.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	but this is rather like 'don't use division in your proggy because you might divide by zero'	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	it did not say at any point "do" or "do not do".	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	it inquires as to what you know.	[21:58]
asciilifeform	hm ok	[21:58]
asciilifeform	some more randoms,	[21:58]
asciilifeform	chapter 'c'. 'explain the second-system effect and discuss a well-known case'	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	good!	[21:59]
asciilifeform	'a' - define nash's equilibrium	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	instead of schelling maybe ?	[22:00]
asciilifeform	not quite same item, but if one must have one, i'd have nash's	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah, you're right	[22:00]
asciilifeform	(schelling's is rather less rigorous of an animal)	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	so it is.	[22:00]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification - http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/	[22:00]
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Adlai	mircea_popescu: re #1, AG /= DAG	[22:01]
asciilifeform	where did he say the 'directed' ?	[22:01]
Adlai	he didn't	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	Adlai yes but let the answerer point this out	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	there's a science to these	[22:01]
Adlai	mircea_popescu: well shit, now any shmuck that reads the logs can do so. sorry bout that...	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	no big deal.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	this is what learning is : reading the logs.	[22:02]
Adlai	mno.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	what, you think i was born with it or something.	[22:02]
asciilifeform	'd' - 'what is meant by a sybil attack?'	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	im putting it in 6.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	(imo it was in 6 already, but anyway)	[22:03]
Adlai	https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/569565	[22:03]
assbot	Quote by George Carlin: “Don’t just teach your children to read…	[22:03]
asciilifeform	'd' (or 'a') - 'what is perfect forward secrecy?'	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	a.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "Discuss perfect forward secrecy, in the broader context of mathematical guarantees."	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	imo nails it	[22:05]
asciilifeform	^	[22:05]
*	Adlai would also add to Section A something about ECC	[22:05]
BingoBoingo	i won't even touch 'b' << I might work on answering the b problems as they materialize	[22:06]
asciilifeform	Adlai: it's an exam, not an open-problems list	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	i dun think ecc is integral to bitcoin	[22:06]
asciilifeform	unless you meant 'error-correcting code'	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	and this is not a "bitcoin technician" test.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	'a' or 'd' - 'describe three mutually-orthogonal notions of 'entropy', and their applications.'	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	nice but nah.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	gotta ask something about 'random' though	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	that's for a different class.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	it is a very common basic logical mistake among the students.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin	[22:07]
Adlai	well not literally "say something about ECC"... how about: "given [idiotically-signed] transactions A and B, recover the private key [mis]used in their signatures"	[22:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: eh sure you do	[22:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: or hard to explain the 'android incident' etc	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	easy to explain. idjits.	[22:08]
Adlai	why? because if they don't, somebody else will.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin".	[22:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: without concept of randomness, it is impossible to explain why it is that what the idjits did was idjotic	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	i don't think it was idiotic. they spent their bitcoin.	[22:09]
Adlai	"i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin" << this actually goes hand-in-hand with my suggestion!	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	why exactly is this a problem ?	[22:09]
*	asciilifeform very confused	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	this is also not a "how to save" or "how to put out fires" guide.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lemme put it this way : their problem has nothing to do with bitcoin, but with their head.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	and this does not apply to the rest of the quiz items ?	[22:10]
Adlai	this question is a "how to avoid derping your client's funds"	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	does not, no.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform let's for a second presume, as a thought experiment, that magically any call to a random function returned 5.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	this as a rule of the universe, not avoidable. perfectly deterministic anything and everything.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	i put it to you bitcoion would still exist and function.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	https://i2.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png << everybody knows it's 4!!!1111	[22:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LtVX60 )	[22:11]
Adlai	cf http://psx-scene.com/forums/content/sony-s-ps3-security-epic-fail-videos-within-581/?s=4ee3ac7dc283267a827b69ed52b29791	[22:11]
assbot	Sony's PS3 Security is Epic Fail - Videos Within - PSX-Scene ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtVVLH )	[22:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: function ?!	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	as now.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you can't nondeterministically create the addrs, OR the nonces, you're fucked	[22:11]
asciilifeform	as in, anyone can take anything.	[22:12]
Adlai	let's put it this way: either they should pass this (ie, my question); or they should understand 'random'; or i give up and have a little giggle	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	you don't have to use THE SAME ecc.	[22:12]
BingoBoingo	In other news http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/organization-withdraws-mu-s-library-science-program-accreditation/article_c7fd93a1-db92-5035-9f29-f31d3408db93.html << The reason was the program's abysmal job placement	[22:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: how the fuck can one say 'it functions' if i can divine all of your keys	[22:12]
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BingoBoingo	let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". << An Vexual has most priviledged access to most random	[22:12]
Adlai	fwiw, you don't need randomness for secure key reuse, just RFC 6979	[22:13]
Adlai	for the l0gz: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6979	[22:13]
*	mircea_popescu ponders if he took it too far	[22:13]
assbot	RFC 6979 - Deterministic Usage of the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) and Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDtz7U )	[22:13]
Adlai	mircea_popescu: don't worry, so does satoshi :P	[22:13]
asciilifeform	Adlai: you still need non-guessable privkeys	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah ok, "all functions" does not work, i give. and it's not sal;vageable.	[22:13]
Adlai	asciilifeform: meh, just hash a photo of your cat	[22:14]
asciilifeform	i do wish that mircea_popescu were right about this, it would make for an interesting mathemagical mindfuck	[22:14]
asciilifeform	Adlai: this invokes notions of 'random'	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	and if we ARE stuck with some sort of randomness in there, contrary to my original intuition,	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	entropy ios probably best.	[22:14]
Adlai	asciilifeform: this invokes notions of 'gives up and has a giggle'	[22:14]
asciilifeform	hence why i suggested it..	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	yeah. ima put it in A.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	aren't 3 too many ?	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	ima ask for 2.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	i can think 3 entirely-orthogonal that have come up here.	[22:15]
*	Adlai still thinks there's more at hand than mere than key generation	[22:15]
Adlai	you can't just use keys anywhichway.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	Adlai the idea being that if they have a decent understanding of fundamentals	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	they'll be fine/	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform me too, but...	[22:16]
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Adlai	tell it to that guy building tin woman out of aluminium, after hall-heroult	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:16]
*	Adlai isn't the only one giggling now! yay	[22:16]
*	assbot gives voice to mike_c	[22:17]
asciilifeform	rot13:	[22:17]
asciilifeform	bar - enaqbz va gur frafr bs haxabja-gb naq hathrffnoyr-ol gur bccbarag. gjb - va gur frafr bs orvat fryrpgrq nf n erfhyg bs n fgngvfgvpnyyl-fzbbgu cebprff - r.t., onynaprq ebhyrggr jurry be snve pbva. guerr - enaqbz va gur frafr bs nccrnevat gb unir uvtu nytbevguzvp (xbyzbtbebi, punvgva) pbzcyrkvgl. r.t., qvtvgf bs 'cv' ner (3) ohg abg (2) naq hfhnyyl abg (1).	[22:17]
Adlai	tl;drot13	[22:17]
asciilifeform	hey it wants to be a quiz	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	;;google rot13.com	[22:17]
gribble	Rot13: ; ROT13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; ROT13 - DeGraeve.com:	[22:17]
asciilifeform	i oughtn't just fuck it for people	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	the way this test is designed, not only is lying a theft against oneself, as these things usually are - but moreover it leaves a trail and there's something to bitterly regret later.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	so i'm not too worried.	[22:18]
asciilifeform	well yes, but ideally folks who are reading this can try the puzzle first, then see the hints	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[22:19]
mike_c	i like this thing, a lot	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	:)	[22:19]
Adlai	mircea_popescu: Econ#5, "programmatically-issued"?	[22:19]
Adlai	this seems like too-abstract a wording, unless one of your implied prerequisites is internet telepathy	[22:19]
mike_c	not as much as a certification, cuz i don't gives a fuk, but as a reading list. like, if you can't answer this, go research it.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	'd' - 'what is coevolution?'	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	Adlai the opposite of "centrally-issued".	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	mike_c kinda its main utility.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	as with all examinations ever.	[22:20]
*	Adlai finds himself confused; must be that incompetence, acting up again	[22:20]
mike_c	i mean, this is the long-lost "how do I learn bitcoin"	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	Adlai well there isn't a word cause it's new!	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, too biology.	[22:21]
*	Adlai suspects 'deterministic' may be one side, or the other	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	hey, ever seen biolo made an adverb before ?	[22:21]
*	BingoBoingo suggest section E: Biology	[22:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00072146 = 15.295 BTC [+]	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	lol. fortunately, slavekeeping not a requirement.	[22:22]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: you want comments here or in trilema?	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	in trilema ideally	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	esp if longer and so forth.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not strictly biological; e.g., winblowz virii qualify	[22:22]
asciilifeform	as 'coevolve'	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah but...	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	not that it's not interesting. but this is already a major asspoking.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the one sad result of this exercise is that in fact it turns out a privileged relationship to randomness is an ingredient.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	it's not just ntp ;/	[22:24]
mike_c	uh, ur commenting shit on my comment	[22:24]
mike_c	cut half of it off	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	mike_c did you put < in there ?	[22:24]
mike_c	two of em	[22:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not just this! gotta have access to arithmetic, even!	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	either < or something. esp <--- is a comment.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform myeah.	[22:25]
asciilifeform	srsly designers of microcomps helped to spread the most bizarre misconceptions about what is rare and costly and what is common as shit	[22:25]
asciilifeform	entropy is squarely in the latter class	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	(one will note that the arithmetic basic is in pm economy too - the original way to lose your coinz was to not know how to count)	[22:25]
asciilifeform	but just about everyone mentally places it in the former	[22:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is kinda what literacy is about, i think	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform water idem.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	go run in the desert.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	not having to trust someone else to read the scrollz	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	how "common" something is in principle does not mean it doesn't have to be on the supply list.	[22:26]
Adlai	"not to know how to count" << for logz and lolz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.msg11919751#msg11919751	[22:27]
assbot	[ANN] Joinmarket - Coinjoin that people will actually use ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtWUeP )	[22:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: water in sahara, air in orbit, entropy on ibm pc...	[22:27]
asciilifeform	Adlai: another more subtle example, see the earlier link today with the 'otp was debunked now!111!!11!' imbecile	[22:28]
asciilifeform	(example of 'arithmetically-challenged-and-doesn't-know-it')	[22:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'd' - 'what is a man-in-the-middle attack'	[22:30]
Adlai	"all i know is that i know all"	[22:30]
mike_c	anybody looking for a job in bitcoin - take that article, turn it into a course.	[22:30]
mike_c	there's your syllabus	[22:30]
mike_c	teach it, charge for it	[22:30]
Adlai	mike_c: "a job", implying somebody pays you... sounds more like an enterprise	[22:30]
asciilifeform	gonna be tough considering how we teach right here, for phree	[22:31]
*	Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer"	[22:31]
mike_c	I don't think so. In here is different. Experts learning from experts.	[22:31]
Adlai	mike_c: well i guess i should leave then!	[22:31]
mike_c	hanbot: I would think that would a pre-req for charging, yeah.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm trying to form a mental model of the how+why of certain quiz items; for instance, why is rawls in there, but not, e.g, 'describe what is a bucket shop'	[22:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00071734 = 9.6841 BTC [-]	[22:34]
mike_c	Adlai: well then you should take the course :)	[22:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'a' - 'what is idempotence ?'	[22:35]
*	Adlai is genuinely curious who here defines themselves an "expert", and in what field... not that nobody can make a valid claim, just... curious	[22:36]
asciilifeform	Adlai: generally, this determination is made by.. one's peers (not by amoeba, no. peers.)	[22:36]
asciilifeform	but not, usually, by self	[22:37]
mike_c	Adlai: my point wasn't that we're a bunch of geniuses, more that there are better venues to learn something in depth like what is a sybil attack.	[22:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'distinguish 'fail-safe' and 'fail-deadly' mechanisms. give a common example of each.'	[22:38]
mike_c	I'm sticking by it. Once you know what a sybil attack is, this is a good venue to learn why what you know isn't quite right.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'describe what is steganography, and name a successful and a catastrophic instance of its use'	[22:39]
mike_c	but I don't think there's a ton of patience in here for teaching 101 courses.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	hanbot: i dare say that the concept of idempotence is key re: bitcoin	[22:39]
mike_c	of course, i'm wrong at least 50% of the time. anyhoo, I like the list :)	[22:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'what information is conveyed by a cryptographic signature ?'	[22:41]
mats	;;ticker --market all	[22:41]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 202.6, vol: 41919.25911548 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 199.749, vol: 15430.70275 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 202.62, vol: 71343.75804612 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 220.0, vol: 36.38126164 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 203.299957, vol: 44728.42180000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 204.2746, vol: 501.51178515 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 215.940799988, vol: 182.10137777 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[22:41]
mats	woo	[22:41]
Adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1067424	[22:43]
assbot	Logged on 24-03-2015 10:18:36; mats: im hemorrhaging money	[22:43]
pete_dushenski	https://bitbet.us/bet/1167/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-september/#b3 << he's laughin'	[22:43]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No \| closed 2 weeks 1 hour ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1JROj8k )	[22:43]
mats	and it was only $246 that day	[22:44]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250565 << "At state-owned companies, workers say fewer shifts means their monthly pay has fallen from up to 5,000 yuan ($780) two years ago to more like 2,000 now."	[22:45]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2015 19:39:24; mircea_popescu: ;;google average salary in china	[22:45]
pete_dushenski	via https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-hard-hit-rust-belt-reflects-the-countrys-economic-woes/2015/08/24/d5d82752-45bf-11e5-9f53-d1e3ddfd0cda_story.html	[22:45]
assbot	China’s ghost towns point to nation’s waning fortunes - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JROJeO )	[22:45]
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pete_dushenski	and i'm off. cheers	[22:46]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski You're the car guy. Any thoughs on compact pickup trucks with crazy lift kits?	[22:47]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	but it's why i said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2015#1251273	[22:49]
assbot	Logged on 25-08-2015 01:18:04; mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.	[22:49]
*	asciilifeform buying coinz for 1st time since '12	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	i do not believe scamming is economic activity.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	and i think sybil covers mitm	[22:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that's rather like saying that locust is not an agriculturally-relevant organism, no ?	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	* Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer" << for srs.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: sybil and mitm are entirely orthogonal concepts	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	there's been more than one case of people who'd have been much better served through tutoring than trying to drink from the river here.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	one at a time.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	(the purpose of a sybil is not necessarily to deceive the victim into transacting with a known party through it)	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	1. locust. i did not say irrelevant, i said locust is not part of agriculture. it isn't.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	2. sybil. the purpose is irrelevant. all mitm is a degenberate case of sybil.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	Adlai : i am an expert in the english language.	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there. << belongs in Biology	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and im passing on the next 2, they're nice but more in a "basic guide to being a gentleman scholar in 2015"	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	mike_c honestly i suspek your intuition is certainly correct. more money to be made teaching this than 90% of the stuff taught online. "be a better you" or w/e.	[22:54]
*	Adlai has found an expert... retires to the UNObtainium mines	[22:54]
asciilifeform	i'm not certain the target clientele ~have~ any money..?	[22:55]
Adlai	buying bitcoin is much easier than using it	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	students are bums ever since they were invented.	[22:55]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Also how are the catfish in Río de la Plata? Probably ought to check that out before leaving hardware B-A	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	catfish is shockingly not much eaten here.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	but the frogs were passible.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen!	[22:56]
asciilifeform	(see thread)	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	i can eat cat as is	[22:56]
BingoBoingo	catfish is shockingly not much eaten here. << If they are too big to eat (i.e. Mississippi river) still ought to be fished for the challenge.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	tho i don't usually bite.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:57]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen! << I've heard rumours that the groundhog crop has been excellent this year	[22:57]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: my back yard, even, is swarming with'em	[22:57]
BingoBoingo	very clean animals	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	also hanbot has it : idempotence IS fundamental to bitcoin. but unlike shit like sybil attack, or pgp, which were scarcely used or thought about before we came around,	[22:58]
asciilifeform	tried it ?	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	it was rigurously defined and understood long ago, and we're not adding anything	[22:58]
BingoBoingo	tried it ? << Kinda like a fattier gamier rabbit.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	i thought all southern dishes that are fried are fried in groundhog fat.	[22:58]
BingoBoingo	Nah, normally just hog fat.	[22:59]
BingoBoingo	Marmota monax, the whistle pig is the animal of the moment	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/basic-bitcoin-competency-certification/#comment-115131 << me grins with three rows of shark teeth, like he used to	[23:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'a'+'c' - 'what facts can or cannot be mathematically proven about a computer program? and when?'	[23:01]
assbot	Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V5TrYp )	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	long long ago, in a univerde far far away	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there is something there i think but not usable as is	[23:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it has to be touched, somehow. because the notion is doomed to come into play	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	stability and a question for it probably also belong in biology	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, is there an academiwank dedicated to programs that prove properties of themselves ?	[23:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: specifically prove ?	[23:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ask the 'coq' folks	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	not specifically	[23:03]
asciilifeform	there is a long student tradition of writing 'quines', programs which display themselves.	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	Incidently the whistle pig is the only animal model available for studying the Hepatitis B virus other than chimpanzees	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	yq.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	ya*	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	i think ironically the "basic bitcoin" exercise has illustrated we're not yet in a theoretically-complete position. damned close but not there.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	two extant problems being alf's provability and my economics/scam thing.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	there's possibly a third item too.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: all of this reminds me of a secret pleasure of mine - reading 'electrician' scientific publications from the era of heaviside	[23:08]
asciilifeform	(at the time, 'electrician' meant roughly what 'solid state physicist' means today, but minus the derpatronic aspect)	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	at any rate, the matter prior to heaviside nailing down maxwell's eqs to their modern form (maxwell had 20 eqs in that many unknowns!),	[23:09]
asciilifeform	reads quite like this.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00071734 = 19.8703 BTC [-]	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	i think anyone with a serious interest in human thought has a corner they use just in that manner you describe.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	"comfortable cultural anthropology"	[23:10]
asciilifeform	what's mircea_popescu's corner? economitronics of the 1880s ?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	orwell for that matter displays it plainly, which is among the few facts pleading in favour of his intelligence.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	ah, i'm disorganised. from literary criticism to actual agriculture	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	but anyway, there seems no possible question that the nakamoto paper is a (tenuous) footbridge rather than any sort of wall.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	that there's so precious little intellectual effort dedicated to the topic is prolly the saddest manifest of a dead culture.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	we are perhaps at the level of ampere and faraday, analogously, but nowhere near maxwell.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	except at the time everyone was a scientist in their garage	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	but	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	IN THEOIR GARAGE	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	now it's like the fucking women took over, everyone's in the "mommy community".	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	they exchange pictures and isn't it adorable what did the mean people say blablabla.	[23:14]
asciilifeform	they had this!	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	maybe i'm just bitter. but srsly...	[23:14]
asciilifeform	i was recently enjoying an anthology of the collected personal correspondence of n. tesla	[23:14]
asciilifeform	it was as 'mean girlz' as anything from tardstalk-mpoe-era	[23:14]
asciilifeform	he did not often stoop to answering the tards, but sometimes could not avoid.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	care to put some selections on your blog ?	[23:15]
asciilifeform	it is tempting.	[23:15]
*	asciilifeform has a good deal of material like this, but in nothing like publishable form because ars longa...	[23:16]
asciilifeform	the arse is long.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	you need a secretary.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	a well trained woman to whom you can say "do so and so" and she can and does.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	i could also use a dirigible	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	(which is why people fuck their secretaries. you really can't be any good unless intimately acquainted)	[23:18]
Adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2015#1146469	[23:18]
asciilifeform	that way folks wouldn't perforate bumper in the night	[23:18]
assbot	Logged on 27-05-2015 18:05:40; ascii_field: i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.0007173 = 34.8966 BTC [-] {3}	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	"I was the middle child of three, but there was a gap of five years on either side, and I barely saw my father before I was eight. For this and other reasons I was somewhat lonely, and I soon developed disagreeable mannerisms which made me unpopular throughout my schooldays. I had the lonely child's habit of making up stories and holding conversations with imaginary persons, and I think from the very start my literary	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	ambitions were mixed up with the feeling of being isolated and undervalued."	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	oookay.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they say knowing what's needed is half the battle!	[23:24]
asciilifeform	'spreading works! even if eating doesn't yet!'	[23:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44695 @ 0.00071724 = 32.057 BTC [-] {2}	[23:25]
asciilifeform	'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.'	[23:26]
asciilifeform	(from same)	[23:26]
BingoBoingo	'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.' << Oh he was writing about Today's luxury mega trucks that could tow 12,000 pounds but instead ferry 400 pounder to their daily McBeetus run	[23:28]
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mircea_popescu	^	[23:31]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: pretty sure he was speaking of his 'beetle men'	[23:33]
trinque	The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. << from the essay; Orwell seemed to have a deep love of the beoble. If only all these selfish elites would get out of the way, the selflessness of the common man would shine through.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506970	[23:33]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2014 03:57:29; asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunbur	[23:33]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Maybe when he was writing, but this problem like many other prophetic Orwell things materialized in another form. Like a shannonizer from hell that takes Orwell's words and spews an output into USian reality.	[23:34]
trinque	This sort of hipsterism is native to Portland. If someone's rich, they're the self-deprecating kind of rich that winks at the camera while decrying the evils of money	[23:35]
BingoBoingo	It is impossible to buy new small trucks in the United States because they simply aren't sold anymore. Sure you can buy used, but the used ones are only being sold because the previous owners either wrung all the life they could out of them or they are stupid.	[23:35]
trinque	BingoBoingo: wassamatta? you don't want a Mega-King-Ranch 350?	[23:37]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em	[23:37]
BingoBoingo	trinque: No. I want an S-10 or Dakota with a wicked lift kit.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	(this is not coincidence, but rather how long it takes the typical schmuck to pay off the credit for the thing)	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/4BcycXUu << i dunno if anyone actually gives a shit, but for those curious to see how the huddling-in-the-dark half lives...	[23:38]
assbot	gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit RSA key, ID 0FBEF185, created 2012-04-25 "Pe - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPUFFR )	[23:38]
trinque	BingoBoingo: can't fault you that	[23:38]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em << There are ways to squeeze more life out of them, but the horrors plasticar (model year 2003) has been through...	[23:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: dafuq's that	[23:39]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Harder than finding money that wouldn't be better spent elsewhere is finding a suitable vehicle to start from.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform derpage.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	i can see ~that~	[23:40]
*	RagnarDanneskjol (~RagnarDan@unaffiliated/ragnardanneskjol) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:42]
BingoBoingo	!up RagnarDanneskjol	[23:42]
*	assbot gives voice to RagnarDanneskjol	[23:42]
asciilifeform	'Why not go ahead and say it? You know that Mike and similar will counter-argue that mining needs to be done by "responsible" central authority figures running pools, so let them make that bogus argument...'	[23:44]
asciilifeform	l0l	[23:44]
asciilifeform	'aka "[jpeg image of size 5220]"' << i always l0lld from this misfeature	[23:45]
asciilifeform	who the fuq thought this belonged in a pgptron ?!	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	you can tell by all the breadcrumbs the use of pgp is so insecure it's outright spurious.	[23:46]
*	menahem (~menahem@unaffiliated/menahem) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:46]
asciilifeform	i assumed that this was lifted off todd's hdd or the like	[23:46]
asciilifeform	where he perhaps gpg --decrypt ..... ... >> massive_turd.txt	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	think, how would massive_turd exist ?	[23:47]
asciilifeform	from the operator's laziness ?	[23:48]
asciilifeform	some folks have poor memory, and keep plaintexts lyin' around ?	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's fascinating what preoccupies people at any given juncture.	[23:49]
*	felipelalli has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:50]
BingoBoingo	think, how would massive_turd exist ? << shared with unreasonably personally WoTed person	[23:50]
*	menahem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	http://qntra.net/2015/08/twitter-forbids-monitoring-politicians-deleted-tweets/ << fucktards.	[23:51]
assbot	Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPW2Ex )	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	"imagine how nervewracking it were if you had to stick behind what you say! as a politician no less!"	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	"people like mp who don't have to retract shit on a daily - or even decade-ally - basis would be at an unfair advantage!11"	[23:52]
asciilifeform	https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=john.dillon892%40googlemail.com&op=index << 'revoked' l0l	[23:53]
assbot	Search results for 'john googlemail dillon892 com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPWeUa )	[23:53]
asciilifeform	aaaaand...	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	none of the names mentioned belong to anyone of any consequence, in bitcoin or in their immediate communities.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	0FBEF185 does not appear to match any publicly-known pubkeys for pete@petertodd.org >>>>> https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=pete%40petertodd.org&op=index	[23:55]
assbot	Search results for 'petertodd pete org' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQLAJY )	[23:55]
asciilifeform	what gives	[23:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82817 @ 0.0007167 = 59.3549 BTC [-] {6}	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x7FAB114267E4FA04 << sub 2048R/0FBEF185 2012-04-25	[23:57]
assbot	Search results for '0x7fab114267e4fa04' ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQLLot )	[23:57]
asciilifeform	hm ok	[23:57]

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