Forum logs for 24 Apr 2012
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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smickles | mircea_popescu: what's up with psy (BitcoinTalk username) on the forum, he's either spreading accurate shit or bull shit on my MPOE ETF thread and it seems to have to do with your MPOE_PR person | [01:21] |
mircea_popescu | he's a little unstable i gather. | [01:21] |
smickles | I've noticed he has a large number of 'ignorers" | [01:22] |
* | smickles just used 2 different forms of quotes as if they were the same | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | prolly a certain V vill have a heartattack now | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | but other than that, how's things ? | [01:24] |
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smickles | things are going well. of thoes things, my daughter likes it when I read 'pride and prejudice' to her. It makes me hope that she will grow to speak in very long sentences. | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | or mary some baronet. | [01:28] |
smickles | oh hey, mircea_popescu Is there going to be a 3rd issuance in the same manner as the first two for MPOE stock, or is it now going to be handled thru MPEx? | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | well, the original plan was that there were going to be indefinite issuances in that manner, | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | but then disaster struck, in the following shape : | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | it's impossible in fact for a third party to ascertain i'm not putting my own bids in. | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | this is a flaw of that model that people pointed out to me afterwards. because of it it'll have to be retired, sadly. | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | i kinda liked it, but... i don't think it actually works. | [01:31] |
smickles | heh, it makes running MPOE ETF quite a bit easier for me too | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | i guess it should. | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | in fact you do have some stock, so you can nav and everything. | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | actually i even saw you're trading @.3 now... | [01:33] |
smickles | oh wow, MPEx get has almost 22KBTC volume? | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [01:35] |
smickles | ಠ_ಠ have many people complained about the display of the options category? | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | i think you're the 2nd. what's the complaint ? | [01:35] |
smickles | I don't like having to scroll /that/ much | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | ctrl-f ? | [01:36] |
smickles | but it's not like I have a solution to offer | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. what am i to do, people love their .5 strikes. | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | o, did you notice there's a hash option now ? | [01:37] |
smickles | i need a ctrl-fucken_just_know_what_i_want_to_see_and_show_it_to_me | [01:37] |
mircea_popescu | lol ctrl-hot-gf ? | [01:37] |
smickles | :D | [01:38] |
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smickles | that's the o.hash~ stuff, right? | [01:38] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [01:38] |
* | smickles reads into it | [01:38] |
Azelphur | mircea_popescu: with your bid/ask orders, do you have some form of txids? | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | what do you mean Azelphur ? and since you came for air : would it be possible for your ircbot to also put the dividends in ? and usd values ? | [01:39] |
Azelphur | mircea_popescu: I mean, when someone posts a bid/ask, do you have some form of id, because it's going to be difficult for me as a frontend on one account to work out who owns what bid/ask orders. | [01:40] |
Azelphur | and yea it would be possible | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | actually you can;t know who owns bids/asks by design | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | it is anon in that respect. | [01:41] |
Azelphur | yea I'm not asking to know who owns them | [01:41] |
Azelphur | I'm more asking to know if I own them | [01:41] |
mircea_popescu | well... | [01:41] |
mircea_popescu | do you see the problem there ? | [01:41] |
Azelphur | doesn't your MySQL table have a `id` AUTO INCREMENT field? | [01:41] |
mircea_popescu | you get something sort-of like that in the json no ? | [01:42] |
Azelphur | no I don't | [01:42] |
smickles | that hash option looks darn useful | [01:42] |
Azelphur | just a list of buy/sell orders | [01:42] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | but let me get this straight. | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | you put in say an order to buy 1k S.MPOE @ 94500 | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | and then you want a means to know if the 1k S.MPOE @ 94500 order showing on mpex is yours ? | [01:43] |
Azelphur | exactly | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | or... what, the OTHER person's who put in an exact same qty mpsic price ? | [01:43] |
Azelphur | I don't really care about other people | [01:44] |
mircea_popescu | (in which case what diff does it make) | [01:44] |
Azelphur | what should happen is an anon tx id | [01:44] |
Azelphur | so the tx id has no tie to the user | [01:44] |
mircea_popescu | but why! | [01:44] |
Azelphur | it's just so you can know what trade is which | [01:44] |
smickles | oh for the love of intrinsic good | [01:44] |
mircea_popescu | looky : if your order is unique you recognize it by the price/qty/mpsic combo | [01:44] |
mircea_popescu | if it's not unique then it doesn't matter which of the ones it is. | [01:44] |
Azelphur | mircea_popescu: think about what your saying -_- | [01:44] |
Azelphur | yes it does | [01:44] |
smickles | glbse still has no concept of historical volume? | [01:44] |
Azelphur | because one of them I get payed, and one of them I don't | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | smickles : not rly. | [01:45] |
Azelphur | (dur) | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | Azelphur : you realise the market executes them fractionary anyway | [01:45] |
Azelphur | ok lets try this a different way >.> | [01:45] |
Azelphur | Bob on my site posts a bid for 1000 @ 1.0 | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [01:46] |
Azelphur | Alice on my site posts a bit for 1000 @ 1.0 | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | yea. | [01:46] |
Azelphur | Steve on your site posts a bid for 1000 @ 1.0 | [01:46] |
Azelphur | Someone buys some shares. | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | kay :D | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | how many ? | [01:46] |
Azelphur | how the fuck do I know where to send the money? | [01:46] |
smickles | s/steve/charlie/ | [01:46] |
Azelphur | I dunno, 100 | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | 33 each. | [01:46] |
Azelphur | I mean, you know where to send the money, because you have an ID on transactions | [01:47] |
Azelphur | but I don't | [01:47] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: even if alice was first? | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | smickles yes. | [01:47] |
smickles | that seems a little unfair | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | Azelphur you do get receipts/stats do you not ? | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | smickles : why ? | [01:47] |
Azelphur | yea I get a receipt that I got some money, but no idea what trade that money was for | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | did you look at STAT recently ? | [01:47] |
smickles | because it doesn't reward the person with the idea first more than the person with the idea last | [01:47] |
Azelphur | mircea_popescu: yep | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | it contains the acct's last transactions | [01:48] |
Azelphur | the only identifier is MPSCI amount @ price | [01:48] |
mircea_popescu | so YOU Can allocate alice and bob anon ids :) | [01:48] |
Azelphur | MPSIC* o/ | [01:48] |
smickles | I think that the first one to the party should have the most fun | [01:48] |
mircea_popescu | ughm. | [01:48] |
mircea_popescu | but he's not paying more than the others ? | [01:48] |
Azelphur | *shrug* | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | hum, this actually may be a very solid point, discourage same-bidding smickles. | [01:49] |
* | smickles will have to try to not be so 'merican idealist | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | ima put it in the pot. | [01:49] |
Azelphur | I mean it is possible to do, it's just a hell of a lot easier with ids | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | Azelphur : im running a gauntlet here. i don't want more traceabilty than is actually needed. also the mkt depth file... | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | it should not be humongous if possible. | [01:50] |
smickles | < smickles> I think that the first one to the party should have the most fun <<< yeah, the flipside to that is the last guy in diminishes the first guys benifit | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | yea, you have a solid point there. | [01:50] |
Azelphur | but there is no tracability xD | [01:51] |
Azelphur | your not assigning an ID to a user, your assigning an ID to a transaction | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | Azelphur i'd have to make hashes ;/ | [01:51] |
smickles | heh, maybe I should actually read the ones that hilight me, lol | [01:51] |
Azelphur | you don't have `id` auto increment in your bid/asks table? | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | Azelphur : if i publish an id like that i open the book to all sorts of fishing attacks. | [01:52] |
Azelphur | wat | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | there is no benefit from telling the world in what order exactly orders came into the book. | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | there is some downside in that leak. | [01:53] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: can you publish bid/asks with an asymetrically encrypted id? | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | smickles yes i could, problem being the mktdepth json is already big. | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | and this'd easily double it | [01:53] |
smickles | so it's a bandwith concern? | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | at least in part. | [01:53] |
Azelphur | hehe, tbh it's gonna be hard to get both mpex and glbse to implement it | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | ~100 symbols * 100 bids each is 10k | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | now, 50 bytes means half meg | [01:54] |
mircea_popescu | 150 bytes means 1.5 meg. | [01:54] |
mircea_popescu | say i serve it 5 times a second. | [01:54] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: what about a specific, descrete query for a given bid/ask? | [01:54] |
smickles | ex: | [01:54] |
smickles | it know one of these two is mine, query order a for the encrypted id, if I can decrypt it, it's mine | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | Azelphur i think the best solution here is for you to keep your own idtable. | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | smickles that's huge cpu overhead | [01:55] |
Azelphur | yea, I have one, just as I say difficult to keep track of things on the MPEx side | [01:55] |
smickles | what? you don't have unlimited resources? | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | i still don't graps what you don't manage to keep track of ;/ | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | you had 2 orders for 1000 at 1.0 | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | stat tells you that you got 1850 shares at 1.0 and there's 150 order put in the book | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | you allocate these to bob and alice as you please. | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | smickles close to, but not equal to. | [01:56] |
Azelphur | yea, I guess | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | and that is actually a better solution than me doing it. | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | as in, idealists can use the idealist exchange and communists the communist exchange, re the prev discussion with smickles | [01:57] |
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smickles | heh, mircea_popescu I've witnesssed glbse matching against the newest order first, so no dice there with respect to this discussion | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | yea i know, that's an insanity. | [02:12] |
smickles | there is no ideal exchange, but at least mpex is making progress | [02:13] |
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mircea_popescu | omg mpex is the embodiment of Emporia, greek goddess of all exchanges. | [02:13] |
smickles | Bigpiggy01Mining: please honestly tell me you're not psy from 'the forums' | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | nowai? | [02:14] |
smickles | psy has something in his profile that looks vaguely similar to Bigpiggy01Mining's irc name | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | still. | [02:16] |
smickles | I just want to say that I do not mean to imply that Bigpiggy01Mining is psy | [02:17] |
smickles | I don't like those sort of underhanded accusations | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | yea, i don't think there's any connection. | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | and with that my dear bitcoinfolk, i bid you a most excellent good night! | [02:23] |
mod6 | gn! | [02:23] |
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mircea_popescu | hmmm, so the put buyer on mpex wasn't so wrong after all, btc went down | [10:28] |
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vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: I think I'm going to piss off another hippie. | [10:35] |
vragnaroda | “Preservatives save lives and add value to foodstuffs.” | [10:35] |
mircea_popescu | um | [10:35] |
mircea_popescu | cause you save the content for chef's salad ? | [10:35] |
vragnaroda | I don't care what you put in salad. Salad is what food eats. | [10:36] |
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mircea_popescu | lmao | [10:42] |
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mircea_popescu | you seriously never eat salad ? | [10:42] |
vragnaroda | I do, but it shouldn't be a main part of what one eats. | [10:44] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: And on that note, my BMI is now below 28. I'm no longer close to the obesity end of that scale. | [10:46] |
mircea_popescu | ya but... i mean you're missing out. | [10:47] |
mircea_popescu | not if the only option are us supermarket veggies, but in my yurpean eyes you're missing out. | [10:48] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Sorry, but U.S. supermarket veggies are fine. It's veggies that aren't great. :p | [10:49] |
mircea_popescu | hahaha so you think. | [10:49] |
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mircea_popescu | find a greek girl have some mousaka, date thais and eat their hash, etc. | [10:50] |
mircea_popescu | i have recomendations. | [10:50] |
vragnaroda | Ew. | [10:50] |
mircea_popescu | virgin. | [10:51] |
vragnaroda | lol | [10:51] |
mircea_popescu | hehehe | [10:51] |
mircea_popescu | if you go by mass/volume meat shouldn't be half your diet. i am a great meat eater, and certainly laugh at the vegeterians (and actually force-converted two slave girls already), | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | however everybody knows half your diet should be chocolate. | [10:52] |
vragnaroda | lol | [10:52] |
vragnaroda | No, meat shouldn't be half one's diet (except when talking to goddamned hippies). | [10:53] |
mircea_popescu | to atone for past sins, i hereby eat these two steaks together, with a thin layer of bread in between! | [10:54] |
vragnaroda | There is wide variation in what's available in U.S. supermarkets, though. Generally, the stuff that was out in the sun too long gets labeled ‘organic’ and dumbasses pay extra for that shit. | [10:54] |
* | mircea_popescu used ethnic delis in the us. supermarkets are useless for their stated purpose. | [10:54] |
vragnaroda | (I'm joking about “left out in the sun too long” but that's what it usually looks like.) | [10:54] |
vragnaroda | Well, that really depends on the area. | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | true. boston & ny mostly. | [10:55] |
amiga4000 | no one cares about the US, they go down, let them die in peace. Go on to next level. | [10:55] |
vragnaroda | Wegman's, the supermarket I actually go to, is pretty damned good about most things most of the time. | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | afther that when i was traveling to mexico i did ok on diners etc. | [10:55] |
vragnaroda | .wa gdp per capita united states | [10:55] |
markac | United States->GDP per capita->nominal, quarterly, seasonally adjusted;$48955 per year per person (Q4 2011);+0.7508 percent per quarter year (Q4 2011);+3.037 %/yr (Q4 2011);+3.076 %/yr (Q4 2011);GDP->$48955 per year per person, real GDP->$42914 per year per person, GDP chain-weighted index->114.1, (real GDP: price-adjusted to year 2005 US dollars), (Q4 2011) | [10:56] |
* | mircea_popescu remembers the face of this hearthy louisiana woman when the skinny yurpean fuck ordered steak at 9am, ate it, ordered 2nd. | [10:56] |
vragnaroda | amiga4000: That's a reason to care about the United States. :p | [10:56] |
mircea_popescu | i've never seen wegman's. | [10:56] |
vragnaroda | .wa gdp per capita european union | [10:56] |
markac | European Union->GDP per capita;average->$33300 per person per year, median->$29400 per person per year, highest->$107000 per person per year (Luxembourg), lowest->$6410 per person per year (Bulgaria)->(2008, 2009, and 2010 estimates);, (GDP per capita in thousands of US dollars per year per person) | [10:56] |
mircea_popescu | are you sure it's not spelled veggieman's ? :D | [10:56] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha take that bulgaria! | [10:57] |
mircea_popescu | Enter to Win an Organic Item Gift Basket at Our Celebrate Organic Event. Get All the Details << you entered yet veggi-a-roda ? :D | [10:58] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Well, there aren't really national supermarket chains (unless you live in a trailer park and think of Wal-Mart as a place to buy your food). | [11:01] |
mircea_popescu | is kind of what i meant. | [11:01] |
mircea_popescu | i know plenty of people there who go t olike, sam's club five times a year | [11:01] |
mircea_popescu | then eat canned tuna | [11:01] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: http://g.co/maps/ymmzc | [11:01] |
mircea_popescu | that's some raving reviews... | [11:02] |
vragnaroda | Well, there really isn't a wide variation of canned tuna. If that's your thing, go pay 14¢ a can at Sam's Club. :p | [11:02] |
mircea_popescu | the fambly i was thinking about pesters everyone willing to listen about their japanese roots. | [11:02] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: The other major chains around here are Price Chopper and Weis and I hate both of them. | [11:03] |
mircea_popescu | but yes there is an ample variation of canned tuna, it's just that the us doesn't import the better yurpean brands | [11:03] |
vragnaroda | Heh, my grand uncle was accused of rape when he was in Japan. | [11:03] |
mircea_popescu | well the point being that the japanese pay a lot and buy most of the us fished atlantic tuna. | [11:03] |
vragnaroda | Well, the U.S. gets tuna from the Pacific where we pay Samoans like 14¢/hour at canning factories. :p | [11:03] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [11:03] |
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* | mircea_popescu was never accused of rape ;/ maybe im doing it wrong... | [11:04] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Oh, the law that was supposed to bring the minimum wage in American Samoa up to the level it is in the rest of the U.S. was amended so the planned increases have stopped. | [11:04] |
mircea_popescu | samoans should be thankful they don't pass a law to raise them for meat! | [11:05] |
mircea_popescu | those guys grow... | [11:05] |
vragnaroda | Apparently, increasing the unemployment rate to 60% was enough of an indicator to even Democrats that, yes, a minimum wage *can* in fact kill jobs. | [11:05] |
vragnaroda | American Samoa's cool, even if it's the fattest part of the U.S. | [11:06] |
mircea_popescu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Johnson_City,_NY.jpg << ahahaha o gowd | [11:06] |
mircea_popescu | how new jersey can you get before it hurts! | [11:06] |
vragnaroda | I've never actually stopped in NJ and I don't know what you mean. That isn't a flattering picture, though. | [11:08] |
vragnaroda | I was born in Johnson City, though. | [11:08] |
mircea_popescu | it reminds me a lot of lowell, mass, where i spent most of my time. | [11:08] |
mircea_popescu | also a mill town. | [11:09] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Well, Johnson City, NY is named after a guy that ran a shoe company. | [11:10] |
mircea_popescu | i know about endicott-johnson etc | [11:11] |
* | mircea_popescu has studied a lot of economix. | [11:11] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Do you know much about the Oneida Community (not the Indian tribe, but the polyamorous religious commune)? | [11:13] |
vragnaroda | All that's left of them is a silverware company. | [11:14] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_Community#Complex_marriage | [11:15] |
mircea_popescu | not really, no. | [11:23] |
mircea_popescu | kinda interesting... | [11:23] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Well, IBM, EJ, and Oneida Limited are probably the best known companies from around here. | [11:24] |
mircea_popescu | wait, um | [11:25] |
mircea_popescu | ok, apparently i missed out. | [11:25] |
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vragnaroda | One is for all practical purposes out of business (it's not recognizable anymore) and the other two are no longer headquartered around here. | [11:27] |
vragnaroda | IBM's only in the news when they talk about contaminated water in Endicott. :p | [11:28] |
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mircea_popescu | hehe | [11:32] |
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mircea_popescu | vragnaroda : "Every member of the community was subject to criticism by committee or the community as a whole, during a general meeting" | [12:10] |
mircea_popescu | o fucking hell no wonder it didn;'t survive. | [12:10] |
vragnaroda | lol | [12:10] |
mircea_popescu | this is the end problem for all "better" communities designed deliberately. it shows up in various form but ultimately it all can be boiled down to the wanna-be reformists/founders don't comprehend dissent. | [12:14] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Well, in the end, the group broke up because they were going to be prosecuted for bigamy, and everything I've read about them other than that Wikipedia article said that. | [12:15] |
mircea_popescu | young people wanted to get married. | [12:15] |
vragnaroda | They were doing fairly well until the state made it clear they were going to prosecute and their leader fled to Canuckistan. | [12:15] |
mircea_popescu | how were they going to prosecute adulterers for bigamy ? | [12:16] |
mircea_popescu | the problem of the leader fleeing is only a problem in dysfunctional communities. | [12:16] |
mircea_popescu | osama fled for a decade. | [12:16] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Look, this wasn't too long after the Mormons had been chased out. (Yes, Mormonism was founded in Upstate NY but we chased them the fuck out.) | [12:17] |
mircea_popescu | and they didn't break up. | [12:17] |
vragnaroda | Well, they've been pushed together by other forces, too. | [12:17] |
mircea_popescu | they didn;t have the criticism idiocy. | [12:17] |
mircea_popescu | "bad" traits are good traits. | [12:17] |
vragnaroda | Well, I think the criticism thing is good in any cohabitating group. Doing it in front of everyone else was stupid, though. | [12:19] |
vragnaroda | That said, I think their values were fucked up and wouldn't care about their criticism much. :p (They were Christians for fuck's sake.) | [12:21] |
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mircea_popescu | that's the part i mean tho. have a fucking comission ? | [12:37] |
mircea_popescu | gives criticism undue weight,. | [12:37] |
mircea_popescu | criticism should stand on its naked own or gtfo. | [12:37] |
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Framedragger | Buying $165USD worth of BTC with PPUSD/PPEUR. Have ratings. | [13:32] |
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kakobrekla | mornin | [13:52] |
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jurov | lol, afternoon | [14:42] |
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mircea_popescu | heya | [15:05] |
rawrmage | HI | [15:05] |
rawrmage | mircea_popescu: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2zemsBGOB1runaoio1_500.jpg | [15:06] |
mircea_popescu | lol duid you blow a deadline ? | [15:06] |
rawrmage | http://mylittlemorals.tumblr.com/ | [15:07] |
Jamalaka | ;;getrating Framedragger | [15:14] |
gribble | User Framedragger, created on Thu Jun 23 11:15:47 2011. Cumulative rating 19, from 15 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 15 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Framedragger Currently not authenticated. | [15:14] |
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mcorlett | 12:52 |
[15:27] |
mcorlett | Yeah... Morning! | [15:27] |
rawrmage | lol | [15:27] |
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mcorlett | !bc,convert eur | [16:18] |
gribble | 1 BTC = 5.13505 U.S. dollars = 3.90053171 Euros | [16:18] |
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mcorlett | ;;ticker | [16:18] |
gribble | Best bid: 5.09746, Best ask: 5.1298, Bid-ask spread: 0.03234, Last trade: 5.1299, 24 hour volume: 83838, 24 hour low: 4.952, 24 hour high: 5.19999 | [16:18] |
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rg | morning | [17:17] |
rg | boys | [17:17] |
rg | + sexually confused | [17:17] |
rawrmage | rg: http://i.imgur.com/RBgaB.jpg | [17:17] |
* | rg grumbles | [17:18] |
rg | lets see what was captured on the up kilt camera | [17:20] |
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mircea_popescu | heya. | [17:50] |
rg | http://news.discovery.com/tech/robot-prostitutes-120423.html | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | pfff | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | who'd want that | [17:55] |
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jurov | if you think about it not as a partner substitute but masturbation aid, it starts making sense | [18:11] |
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jurov | but maybe you need neither... | [18:12] |
mcorlett | I'll have ten. | [18:15] |
Jamalaka | are we talking about ot+nsfw-stuff inside a channel, meant to be for traders inside the eu? | [18:18] |
Jamalaka | s/traders/trades/ | [18:18] |
mcorlett | Jamalaka: Yes, and I love it. | [18:20] |
jurov | it is part of the multicultural experience | [18:20] |
rg | http://i.imgur.com/citxe.jpg | [18:22] |
vragnaroda | Jamalaka: This channel doesn't seem to have the same guidelines. | [18:23] |
vragnaroda | rg: OMG, how old are they? | [18:23] |
mcorlett | rg: Where do you find this shit? | [18:23] |
vragnaroda | Why you taking pictures of that, you fucking pædo. (lol, I used the Yurp spelling) | [18:23] |
vragnaroda | (That's right, Yurp is now an adjective, too. ;)) | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | that's so old. | [18:30] |
vragnaroda | :p | [18:31] |
rg | they look 15-16 | [18:31] |
rg | thats normal | [18:31] |
rg | and umm | [18:31] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77606.msg866592#msg866592 | [18:31] |
rg | reddit? | [18:31] |
mircea_popescu | its a little late around here. wtf are they doing dressed. | [18:31] |
rg | scrolldit actually | [18:31] |
rg | i dont read real reddit | [18:31] |
vragnaroda | rg: Yeah, that's normal for 15-16 year olds. Why do you have a picture and why are you posting it? | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | Invalid URL | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | The URL http://mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77606.msg866592 contains a port number that is not in the range 1 to 65535. | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | just fyi. | [18:32] |
rg | cause its funny | [18:32] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: lolwut | [18:32] |
rg | the title was | [18:32] |
rg | 'come on dude, theyre owning us!' | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | what do you mean "why do you have a picture" wtf. | [18:32] |
vragnaroda | That's creepy. | [18:33] |
rg | i dont have a picture.. | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | eh gtfo. | [18:33] |
rg | i found it on reddit | [18:33] |
vragnaroda | (coming from rg) | [18:33] |
rg | and its funny | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | isn't rg about the right age anyway ? | [18:33] |
vragnaroda | lol | [18:33] |
rg | im 25 | [18:33] |
vragnaroda | I guess 16 isn't creepy for you then. | [18:33] |
vragnaroda | OK. | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | most 16 yo's i know would date 20somethings if given a chance | [18:33] |
rg | i dated an 18 year old when i was 21 | [18:34] |
rg | shit happens | [18:34] |
vragnaroda | That's nothing. | [18:34] |
rg | what about if we dated when she was 17 and i was 20 | [18:34] |
rg | cause that happened too | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | ugh. i prolly fucked more 16yos since im 30 than any of you, so! | [18:34] |
rg | mhm | [18:35] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: Well, that's illegal here. :p | [18:35] |
vragnaroda | 20 minutes south of here, sure. | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | buncha protestants. | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | uuu, can't have sex, uuu can't watch porn | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | im waiting for the uuu, can't drink beer. | [18:35] |
vragnaroda | Well, my family was many things but Protestant isn't one of them. | [18:36] |
vragnaroda | At least, not in a few generations. | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | which reminds me, anyone seen that video with the idiot driving a skyjack through thaffic totally loaded | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | and eventually fucks with the cop ? | [18:36] |
vragnaroda | No. | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | o god how do i find it it was hysterical. | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345741/Drunk-jackass-skyjack-finds-creative-way-avoid-police-America.html | [18:37] |
mircea_popescu | here. | [18:37] |
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vragnaroda | “This video has been removed by the user.” | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | aww | [18:38] |
vragnaroda | http://g.co/maps/ak8ff <-- This place, btw, had the best fruit smoothies. | [18:44] |
vragnaroda | I doubt they do, anymore, though. | [18:44] |
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mircea_popescu | i prefer to make my own | [18:59] |
vragnaroda | mircea_popescu: But that's within a few minutes walk of where Saddam was hanged! That makes it more delicious. | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | ugh | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | why do i care about some paki ? | [19:00] |
vragnaroda | lol | [19:00] |
mircea_popescu | so i;'ve been on a crazy blogging roll | [19:02] |
mircea_popescu | i woke up with three articles in my head, i wrote four so far and i still got three ideeas in my head; / | [19:02] |
mircea_popescu | i will wither away at this rate. | [19:02] |
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Framedragger | Buying $165USD worth of BTC with PPUSD/PPEUR. Have ratings. | [19:11] |
rg | Net Gain: 200 Chips | [19:11] |
rg | ahah | [19:11] |
rg | fuck you blackjack | [19:11] |
rg | who wins today | [19:11] |
rg | RG thats who | [19:11] |
mcorlett | Someone has a problem with gambling! | [19:14] |
rg | yep gambling .5 btc a week | [19:15] |
rg | what an addict | [19:15] |
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mircea_popescu | cash out rg | [19:19] |
rg | i cant seem to break the 5BTC barrier | [19:19] |
mircea_popescu | forget it | [19:19] |
mircea_popescu | just cash out | [19:19] |
mcorlett | rg: You keep telling yourself that. You do that. | [19:22] |
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vragnaroda | rg: Fuck it: keep playing and regress to the mean. | [19:23] |
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rg | woot | [19:26] |
rg | broke it | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [19:27] |
rg | ok now im cashing out | [19:45] |
rg | so i turned .5 btc into 6.5 | [19:49] |
rg | not bad | [19:49] |
rg | (after loosing like 100 btc over the year) | [19:50] |
mod6 | oh gno! | [19:50] |
rg | i learned not to keep betting | [19:50] |
rg | after you lose | [19:50] |
rg | ok i lied | [19:53] |
rg | i didnt cash out | [19:53] |
rg | but i made a buch more | [19:53] |
mod6 | haha | [19:53] |
rg | now im really cashing out | [19:54] |
rg | no fakesies | [19:54] |
mcorlett | How's that going, rg? | [19:56] |
rg | i won 7.15 btc | [19:58] |
rg | ;;ticker | [19:59] |
gribble | Best bid: 5.08295, Best ask: 5.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01705, Last trade: 5.08295, 24 hour volume: 81004, 24 hour low: 4.952, 24 hour high: 5.1999 | [19:59] |
rg | ;;calc 7.15 * 5.08 | [19:59] |
gribble | 36.322 | [19:59] |
rg | my god bitjack is such a piece of shit | [20:02] |
rg | their bitcoind is such a piece of shit | [20:03] |
rg | its not letting me withdraw | [20:03] |
rg | Server Error: -6610 | [20:03] |
rg | whatever that means | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | ouch | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | better go play more. | [20:04] |
rg | nah | [20:04] |
rg | im done | [20:04] |
rg | well now im bored | [20:13] |
mcorlett | rg: I'm worried about you. | [20:15] |
Azelphur | everyone is worried about rg | [20:15] |
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rg | umm why | [20:22] |
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mcorlett | Web app penetration testing, anyone? | [20:24] |
brznbtni | who was the idiot who registered his bitcoin business with FinCEN? | [20:27] |
mcorlett | brznbtni: BitInstant. | [20:30] |
brznbtni | WHY? | [20:33] |
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brznbtni | mcorlett: do you know? | [20:37] |
brznbtni | why they want govt's recogniction or whatever? | [20:37] |
mcorlett | They're moving into the mainstream. | [20:37] |
brznbtni | ok. | [20:39] |
brznbtni | "The inclusion of a business on the MSB Registration Web site is not a recommendation, certification of legitimacy, or endorsement of the business by any government agency." | [20:39] |
brznbtni | they will only be spied on | [20:40] |
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mcorlett | Good. Bitcoin could use some perceived legitimacy. | [20:42] |
brznbtni | my bet is that this is going to end bad | [20:43] |
brznbtni | but that is just my insticnt | [20:44] |
brznbtni | do not trust it if you're not me | [20:44] |
brznbtni | :) | [20:44] |
markedathome | they probably had to do MSB for the card/walmart/7-11 thing that is rumoured | [20:48] |
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guruvan | markedathome: if I understood it correctly, they use coinapult for the actual money exchange, and so bitinstant will not have to register like that (I know that's the current jist, at least) | [20:57] |
mcorlett | Would anyone be willing to test a service I've been working on from a user experience standpoint? | [21:09] |
brznbtni | mcorlett: yes | [21:12] |
brznbtni | mcorlett: if you tell me what you wabnt me to test | [21:12] |
brznbtni | want* | [21:12] |
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mircea_popescu | whoa look at that, 4999 block of gigavps bond offered | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | isn't that like half the entire float ? | [22:10] |
kakobrekla | ya | [22:14] |
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rg | im going to get wasted tonight | [22:44] |
rg | but not too wasted | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | moderately wasted | [22:45] |
mcorlett | "Moderately" is very subjective, is it not? | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | depends on who you ask. | [23:01] |
mcorlett | mircea_popescu: Its subjectivity is subjective? :p | [23:02] |
mircea_popescu | i think so :D | [23:02] |
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rg | ;;getrating rg | [23:21] |
gribble | User rg, created on Sun Jun 5 10:39:49 2011. Cumulative rating 178, from 87 total ratings. Received ratings: 87 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 85 positive, 8 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=rg Currently not authenticated. | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | king of the ratings | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno wtf you do, but it's working. | [23:25] |
rg | i dont rip people off | [23:26] |
rg | i need to find someone to order me food | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | i don't rip people off either | [23:27] |
rg | im so lazy | [23:28] |
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rg | no one is around | [23:37] |
Mqrius | ;;view 7768 | [23:37] |
gribble | #7768 Tue Apr 24 13:37:30 2012 Mqrius SELL 1000.0 BTC @ 3.8811 EUR (Smaller amounts fine too, down to 30 BTC. Contact me on IRC or at Gmail.com@Nuntius.Marii. #eu) | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | how's the sales Mqrius | [23:39] |
Mqrius | mircea_popescu: Going well :) | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | cool :) | [23:39] |
Mqrius | The buys are going better, though, so I'm lowering the sales price a bit :P | [23:39] |
Mqrius | Had an unexpected windfall :) | [23:39] |
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rg | ;;ticker | [23:48] |
gribble | Best bid: 5.0999, Best ask: 5.10988, Bid-ask spread: 0.00998, Last trade: 5.0999, 24 hour volume: 90085, 24 hour low: 4.952, 24 hour high: 5.2 | [23:48] |
rg | this salesmans last name is Crooks | [23:52] |
rg | it must be hard to sell wares when your last name is 'crooks' | [23:52] |
Mqrius | Yeah, I just use the exchanges where you can't see the seller's name. It helps a lot. | [23:53] |
rg | its just having crook as a last name is like having it be 'willrobyou' | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | so wait. zhou sold bitcoinica ? | [23:57] |
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mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77958.0 | [23:57] |
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rg | ;;ticker | [23:58] |
gribble | Best bid: 5.11001, Best ask: 5.11498, Bid-ask spread: 0.00497, Last trade: 5.1, 24 hour volume: 90379, 24 hour low: 4.952, 24 hour high: 5.2 | [23:58] |
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