Forum logs for 23 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00041206 = 5.2682 BTC [+] [00:00]
mircea_popescu so now you're in a position to understand why strong (ie, absolute) cryptography is such a threat. it actually annuls a fundamental presuposition of western culture. if there exists something that is in fact inaccessible, then there can be no such thing as "humanism", and thus therefore socialism is just stupid, rather than being what the "nordic system" chicklet claimed for it : stupid but universal. [00:03]
mircea_popescu and this is also why "social mobility" is such a big deal, representationally, notwithstanding the nonsense it is in practice, and why the worst thing you can do is kick a black dude out of your clubhouse or whatever. [00:04]
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mircea_popescu and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ? [00:09]
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ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: thanks for the response... I am confused about this: "and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens." -is this how traditionalist discourse treat phenomena? exclusively historically? and also: you say taleb can provide a damaging critique of traditionalism? May I kindly ask, whose? What authors/thinkers [00:13]
mircea_popescu principally historically. [00:13]
mircea_popescu have you read nassim taleb ? [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86400 @ 0.00041206 = 35.602 BTC [+] [00:13]
ag3nt_zer0 no, but due to reading something you wrote I have started the black swan [00:14]
ag3nt_zer0 ...begun [00:14]
mircea_popescu aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago. [00:14]
Hasimir the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ... [00:14]
mircea_popescu (this also is why nobody seems to ever want to engage him) [00:14]
Hasimir so much for that theory .... [00:15]
mircea_popescu Hasimir well you live in a place that doesn't exist anyway >D [00:15]
Hasimir heheh [00:15]
Hasimir fair point [00:15]
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mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 you familiar with the fantabulous history of the gauss copula ? [00:18]
ag3nt_zer0 haha no [00:19]
ag3nt_zer0 sounds good [00:20]
mircea_popescu hm. well, do you know what technical analysis is ? [00:20]
ag3nt_zer0 can't say that I formally do [00:22]
ag3nt_zer0 what am i talking, yes I do [00:23]
ag3nt_zer0 not well [00:23]
mircea_popescu mkay. there is this psychogenically-driven assumption in financial circles that the past may be used to evaluate future risk. this is incredibly stupid and absolutely perennial (the only thing perennial in human cultural history is stupidity, by the way - smart stuff has no root) [00:24]
ag3nt_zer0 but i understand that it is used to analyze financial information, particularly in markets [00:24]
mircea_popescu in any case, THAT is traditionalism for you. between "nobody went out of business buying ibm" and "our gauss copulae indicate the future will be rosy", crash after crash and disaster after disaster. [00:24]
mircea_popescu and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along. [00:25]
mircea_popescu but such is life. [00:25]
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mircea_popescu << check em out, the original windows wizards. to think idiots of all stripes today still try to "be zatko" [00:27]
assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 23:42:14; punkman: [00:27]
mircea_popescu i imagine that's gavin's wet dream, if anything. [00:27]
ag3nt_zer0 ok. but I am under the impression that at the core of traditionalism are simply metaphysical absolutes... for instance, "the greater cannot proceed from the lesser" - there is one absolute source, be it languaged in a number of ways, etc... [00:29]
mircea_popescu the why is the controlling aspect, not the what. [00:30]
mod6 does that guy have a Matryoshka doll tie?! [00:30]
* mod6 laughs [00:30]
trinque bahaha who the fuck adopts "Oblivion" but keeps "Brian" [00:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is dead [00:36]
mircea_popescu it is ? [00:36]
asciilifeform go, connect. [00:36]
* mircea_popescu looks into. [00:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29935 @ 0.00041181 = 12.3275 BTC [+] {2} [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29765 @ 0.00042314 = 12.5948 BTC [+] {2} [00:42]
mod6 ok weird. same exact error as last time after complete nuke. tomorrow i'll nuke again and see if gcc will compile without the patch. [00:48]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [00:49]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: [00:49]
asciilifeform [00:49]
assbot ... ( ) [00:49]
asciilifeform '(EXPERIMENTAL) Full IRC Demolition; Manual External IP Setting; Version Bump.' [00:49]
* mod6 looks [00:52]
asciilifeform ^ precisely what is printed on the box. but all plz read [00:52]
cazalla <<< are you from down under? [00:54]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ... [00:54]
cazalla actually forget it, we had this conversation a few weeks ago [00:54]
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mod6 ah and it bumps the version too [00:54]
asciilifeform unless someone notices serious problems, this is what will be built (using deterministic build process) and fielded on the first public node [00:56]
mod6 thanks for your work on this asciilifeform! [00:56]
asciilifeform np [00:56]
asciilifeform i would like to ask the fine gentlemen to read this and the antecedents (ben_vulpes has a pretty good review on his www) [00:57]
mod6 im hoping I can figure something out with gcc tomorrow. if I don't get anywhere, perhaps time to cut bait and head in a different direction. [00:57]
mod6 i've read the patches and ben's review on his blog. i'll be writing up a summary of my own in the SoBA at the end of the month. [00:58]
asciilifeform neato [00:58]
mod6 (same sort of deal as last month) [00:58]
asciilifeform btw i will note (in case this wasn't clear) that i test-fire everything i post [00:59]
asciilifeform prior to posting [00:59]
mod6 *nod* [00:59]
asciilifeform (this does not excuse other folks from test!) [00:59]
mod6 as soon as I can, i'll be sure to patch everything in the order specified and kick off a full regression cycle. [01:00]
asciilifeform here's a thought: [01:00]
asciilifeform deleting crud from bitcoin is so much fun, [01:00]
asciilifeform almost sorry we're running short on things to axe. [01:00]
asciilifeform !up Vexual [01:00]
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asciilifeform 'every program contains at least one bug. every program can be reduced by at least one line. ergo, every program can be reduced to precisely one line - which doesn't work.' (dijkstra?) [01:01]
asciilifeform astute readers will notice that proposed 5.4 does not permit externalip to be altered at runtime. [01:03]
asciilifeform does anyone consider this a problem? [01:03]
asciilifeform please write in. [01:03]
* asciilifeform hoses off chopping block, washing off blood, piss, feathers, from today's gavins [01:04]
thestringpuller so i'm on this 1000 calorie deficit diet which requires me to burn an extra 1000 calories a day. damn this shit is no joke. [01:09]
thestringpuller eating 2000 calories and burning 3000 [01:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:10]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who is still using testnet? and for what? [01:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65350 @ 0.00042328 = 27.6613 BTC [+] [01:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85650 @ 0.00040335 = 34.5469 BTC [-] {3} [01:31]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aw i was going to cut that one out meself [01:44]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: regarding build script: [01:44]
assbot a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( ) [01:44]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: if i'd like to bootstrap a thermonuke off your previously mentioned node, do i need whitelisting? [01:50]
ben_vulpes << well since this thermonuked node refuses to attach to any others, i may as well roll this patch in [01:58]
assbot ... ( ) [01:58]
ben_vulpes Vexual: myeah nice [02:01]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: is dead << confirmed [02:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes well it seems an entire intricacy with stacked nat routers [02:04]
mircea_popescu im evidently not set up to support teh esteemed efforts of the republic over here. working on it. [02:05]
mircea_popescu testnet does not have any actual uses as it is. [02:07]
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ben_vulpes furthermore it's diverged significantly in behavior from 'mainnet' [02:10]
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thestringpuller !up Vexual [02:11]
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mircea_popescu it has, which is what makes it useless. [02:11]
mats it'd be great if you all would assess how drunk Vexual is before upping him [02:11]
ben_vulpes it's just another altcoin at this point [02:12]
ben_vulpes mats: i do it just to annoy you [02:12]
ben_vulpes and dearest kako [02:12]
mircea_popescu assess how, balmer point ? [02:12]
mats sure [02:14]
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ben_vulpes complex differential eqns those [02:14]
ben_vulpes hey pete d'you have a node to throw into la serenissima's syncing party? [02:14]
pete_dushenski there's a syncing party ? [02:15]
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pete_dushenski << lol. like the derps at the city here who 'improved asphalt techmologee' by making is less durable. [02:16]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 02:00:13; asciilifeform: 'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...' [02:16]
ben_vulpes "your share of bitcoin has increased from n/21e9 to n/42e9" [02:20]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay ? i have a 0.7.2 at 222'868 [02:25]
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pete_dushenski << quite so. taleb blames 'the bankers' and 'the revolving door between federal politics and megacorp industry' while failing to take his accusations to their next logical step : popular democracy. [02:32]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 03:10:59; mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago. [02:32]
pete_dushenski taleb's too much a protector of the people to see them as the source of all evil. [02:33]
pete_dushenski this, despite being a notable proponent of burke. [02:33]
pete_dushenski and burke, to my reading, is no fan of the common man and an advocate of monarchy. [02:34]
pete_dushenski << myea. 'shouting at the rocks' [02:36]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 03:22:02; mircea_popescu: and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along. [02:36]
pete_dushenski << canberra ? [02:38]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ... [02:38]
assbot Stalking Black Swans In Canberra: The City Of Plans | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [02:38]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay << no. [02:39]
mircea_popescu but it has to be on a publicly accessible ip, port 8333 open [02:40]
pete_dushenski aha [02:41]
cazalla <<< nah, he's from melb [02:52]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 05:35:07; pete_dushenski: << canberra ? [02:52]
pete_dushenski cazalla: ah yes, home of csirac and that very bizarrely shaped costco store [02:53]
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cazalla ya know they include that in real estate ads here now.. "close to schools, transport, costco" [02:54]
pete_dushenski you're like america jr. jr. the third ! [02:55]
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cazalla yeah, i never thought i'd see ham planets walking into costco with my own eyes.. i should snap some pics for BingoBoingo [02:55]
pete_dushenski i'm sure he'd appreciate it, if for no other reason than as a reminder than the usistan isn't alone in sucking. [02:56]
pete_dushenski s/than/that [02:56]
cazalla but we have lil' china, lil' italy, so why not large america? [03:00]
pete_dushenski makes sense given how much more physical space each american occupies compared to each italian and chinaman [03:01]
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cazalla !up Keefe [03:12]
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mircea_popescu cazalla do you use ? [03:21]
cazalla nope [03:22]
mircea_popescu buncha emails outbound. [03:23]
cazalla spam? [03:24]
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mircea_popescu myeah. [03:25]
cazalla lol 250mb of it [03:28]
mircea_popescu so didja lose a pw or what ? [03:35]
cazalla what do you mean [03:36]
mircea_popescu how did someone end up sending spam off qntra server is what i mean [03:37]
cazalla would appear it started around june 14th of this month [03:39]
cazalla to the best of my knowledge i've not leaked the password [03:39]
mircea_popescu i see june 22 [03:39]
ag3nt_zer0 I should probably just keep digging, but in reading the logs dated late 2013 I see concerns raised that another bubble is fine as long as it doesn't go to 1k... and this was not too long after people were getting warnings that btc wasn't worth more than $130... why was it bad for it to go to 1k or past, and given all this craziness, how do I deduce what would be a current fair price to make a relatively wise investment? I [03:41]
ag3nt_zer0 liquidated thinking it will continue to sink... [03:42]
cazalla mircea_popescu, 8000 or so of those beginning june 14th [03:42]
assbot ... ( ) [03:42]
cazalla pages that is [03:43]
mircea_popescu jesus fuck [03:43]
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mircea_popescu dude.... [03:43]
cazalla can't you check logs to see who logged in on that day and few proceeding it? [03:45]
mircea_popescu i dun have your pws. [03:45]
cazalla you must because you gpg'd the new one to me when servers went down after the dmca bullshits with trilema [03:46]
mircea_popescu you think i keep all that ? [03:46]
mircea_popescu at any rate, delete that account. [03:47]
mircea_popescu see if you have new php files anywhere, etc. [03:47]
cazalla isn't this just a case of someone (likely guy who ddos joiners here) sending out spam from another server but spoofing return address so qntra email gets hammered with delivery fail spam? [03:50]
cazalla has qntra server even been sending mail? [03:51]
mircea_popescu a) no and b) actually, my server is sending email because somehow someoine signs in as info@qntra and i naively faield to disallow qntra account from sending email [03:52]
mircea_popescu did you create that account ? [03:53]
cazalla don't remember but likely [03:53]
cazalla can't log in to cpanel to delete email addy now [03:56]
mircea_popescu didja give it a strong pw ? [03:56]
cazalla whatever cpanel autogenerates [03:57]
mircea_popescu Authentication: dovecot_login [03:59]
mircea_popescu apparently they guessed your pw. [03:59]
cazalla for [04:01]
cazalla you'd wanna make sure because i don't, and have not, created my own passwords for some time [04:03]
cazalla nor do i have a passwords.txt sitting on the desktop [04:03]
mircea_popescu i dunno how i'd make sure of such a thing. [04:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80651 @ 0.00042358 = 34.1622 BTC [+] {3} [04:10]
mircea_popescu fucking mess. [04:17]
mircea_popescu 1 ([][] [04:17]
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mircea_popescu etc etc etFUCKINGc [04:18]
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cazalla not much new in backups i've made so no new php files [04:32]
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mircea_popescu yeah it's not a php thing, seems 100% certain it simply guessed the credentials for that acct, used them for pop3 [04:35]
cazalla i might've used something weak when creating it but again, it's not something i do so i don't really know what else to say [04:38]
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mircea_popescu well, i deleted > 50k messages from queue, the email in question, and hopefully gmail, yahoo and everyone else will at some point forget the fact that i spammed them to shit for the first time in my life. [04:41]
cazalla mail serv on same ip as qntra because i dont see it in any ban lists yet [04:42]
mircea_popescu no. [04:42]
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cazalla so when you say guessed the credentials, has the person simply guessed the password or had a hash of it and cracked that? [04:52]
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mircea_popescu most likely the former. [04:54]
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mircea_popescu cazalla < new pw [05:18]
assbot dpaste: 36H4FD1 ... ( ) [05:18]
mircea_popescu Jun 23 02:27:40 dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=, method=PLAIN, rip=::1, lip=::1, mpid=10940, secured, session= [05:20]
mircea_popescu definitely was broken pw. [05:20]
punkman [05:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258100 @ 0.00041448 = 106.9773 BTC [-] {6} [05:30]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 [05:31]
assbot #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [05:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform looks like i'm going to have a (full chain) bitcoin up in a coupla days. [05:44]
mircea_popescu this is an up to date historical (2011) copy of the blockchain. [05:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66601 @ 0.00042624 = 28.388 BTC [+] {2} [06:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17849 @ 0.00042824 = 7.6437 BTC [+] [06:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00042824 = 34.8159 BTC [+] [06:37]
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mircea_popescu anyone wanna do a 50 eur payment for me ? [07:46]
fluffypony credit card or wire? [07:53]
mircea_popescu paypal o.O [07:54]
mircea_popescu derpy blender foundation lives in 2001 [07:54]
fluffypony sure [07:54]
fluffypony pm me detials [07:54]
fluffypony *details [07:54]
mircea_popescu << do a platinum thing [07:54]
assbot Development Fund - - Home of the Blender project - Free and Open 3D Creation Software ... ( ) [07:54]
fluffypony kk [07:55]
mircea_popescu ask them to credit it as Eulora, a MMORPG by S.MG [07:55]
fluffypony ok looks like it'll be a subscription, so it's 50 EUR/month that comes off PP automagically till I cancel it [07:55]
mircea_popescu kk. [07:56]
mircea_popescu i'll tell you in reasonable advance when to cancel it. [07:56]
fluffypony Your purchase was successfulPayments By PayPal [07:56]
fluffypony Description Terms Amount [07:56]
fluffypony Blender Development Fund [07:56]
fluffypony €50.00 EUR for each month [07:56]
fluffypony Effective Date: 23 Jun 2015 €50.00 EUR [07:56]
mircea_popescu cool. what's the damage and send addy. [07:57]
fluffypony let me email them the link, gimme a sec [07:57]
mircea_popescu no rush. [07:57]
fluffypony hokay emailed [08:00]
fluffypony FNB :-) R710.38 reserved for purchase @ Paypal *blenderfund from cheq a/c [08:01]
mircea_popescu fnb ? [08:01]
fluffypony bank [08:01]
mircea_popescu aha [08:01]
fluffypony says 1 BTC = ZAR 3 394 [08:01]
assbot BitX ... ( ) [08:01]
mircea_popescu uh [08:01]
mircea_popescu that's... 10x ? [08:01]
fluffypony 0.2093 BTC [08:02]
mircea_popescu oh, 3.4k nm [08:02]
mircea_popescu yeh sounds about right [08:03]
fluffypony 1s2fF7uw5Fsh5Dzu7mP7ccbKM9jFZk89q [08:03]
mircea_popescu aite, you'll have it in a few. [08:03]
fluffypony tks [08:03]
mircea_popescu nono, ty. [08:03]
fluffypony pleasure [08:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00040353 = 31.6368 BTC [-] {2} [08:57]
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fluffypony lol [09:06]
fluffypony mircea_popescu [09:06]
fluffypony Thanks for the donation. The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking on Please give a link to a page with your personal info (contact info) or that of your company. [09:06]
fluffypony Regards, [09:06]
fluffypony -Ton- [09:06]
mircea_popescu uh [09:07]
mircea_popescu S.MG, Bitcoin Games [09:08]
fluffypony k replied [09:10]
mircea_popescu ty [09:10]
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mircea_popescu sooo... coinbase sells ads through buysell ads, and wants to get 20 bucks cpm [09:12]
mircea_popescu lolk. [09:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60765 @ 0.00039851 = 24.2155 BTC [-] [09:41]
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asciilifeform << mega-l0l [10:00]
assbot ClubOrlov: Pop goes the Bubble [10:00]
funkenstein_ new Cohen piece worth a read [10:00]
asciilifeform 'The rate would like to go negative, but it can't. Because, you know, that's the kind of debt even I wouldn't turn down (by the way, I don't have any debt). It's the kind of debt where you give me your money, and then you keep paying me periodically to hold on to it, or spend it, or gamble it away—that's none of your business—until forever, because I have no intention of ever paying you back; I'll just keep rolling it over [10:02]
asciilifeform at ever more negative interest rates, and you will have to go on lowering them, because if you don't I might cut down on my gambling and crash the financial system again. If you agree to these terms, then you might as well also give away your wallet and your car keys—just to see what happens.' [10:02]
mircea_popescu maybe they give him a diesel engine. [10:07]
asciilifeform l0l it looks like he got his engine. [10:07]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla can i has banner on bitbet linked to plox ? [10:12]
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mircea_popescu i pay 0.1! [10:12]
assbot MiniGame (S.MG), April - May 2015 Combined Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [10:12]
kakobrekla The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking. [10:13]
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mircea_popescu omaigerd [10:17]
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kakobrekla its live but size is wrong [10:19]
kakobrekla same thing as last time, 486 instead 468 [10:20]
mircea_popescu gah [10:20]
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mircea_popescu and i thought you were kidding fml [10:21]
mircea_popescu << updated kthx [10:21]
assbot ... ( ) [10:21]
kakobrekla fixed [10:22]
kakobrekla >Seal the Deal < lold [10:25]
mircea_popescu huh ? [10:26]
kakobrekla the last prop [10:26]
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mircea_popescu heh [10:26]
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fluffypony [10:32]
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mircea_popescu was in teh log [10:32]
fluffypony oh ok [10:33]
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ben_vulpes Trusty Thermonuke stalled for lack of seeds at block 182383 last night [12:55]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [12:56]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: debug.log plz [12:56]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: i'm a derp and used "connect" instead of "addnode" [13:00]
ascii_field lol ok [13:01]
ascii_field btw 'connect' also prevents inbound. [13:01]
ascii_field as i understand, it was meant for 'indoor' nodes [13:01]
ascii_field (that is, ones used as 'hot' wallet, etc) [13:02]
ben_vulpes hm, and yet it added addrs to its addr.dat it allears. [13:02]
ascii_field and yes, a 'connect' node lives - and dies - by the other end [13:02]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: iirc it still collects seeds so it can spit them back if asked for some [13:02]
* ben_vulpes grump [13:04]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: no reason to hurry [13:04]
ascii_field also didn't i give example arguments in ml ? [13:05]
trinque ben_vulpes: did my node work for ya? [13:12]
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mod6 So this is interesting: I was able to use my gcc patch successfully against my AWS instance which has an AMI that utilizes a stage3-uclibc-hardened from 20150510. And meanwhile, trinque was helping me test to ensure I'm not doing something totally retarded, and on his side he was using the Physical hardware steps where it says to pull the latest (which should be 20150610) stage3-uclibc-hardened. [13:37]
mod6 the Gentoo patches for gcc 4.8.4 changed during this interval from v1.5 to v1.6. Nothing special here. Wonder if there are this many changes to old ebuilds all the time? [13:38]
mod6 Anyway, trinque wasn't even able to apply my patch successfully on his side. [13:39]
mod6 Going to continue on with this, just an update. [13:39]
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lobbes ascii_field: probably would just be easier to have scoopbot do it, but I got lobbesbot reading Phuctor's rss feed. If you feel inclined, give him a rate and I'll set him up to announce. [14:19]
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jurov !gettrust assbot lobbesbot [14:39]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user lobbesbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | | [14:39]
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jurov !rate lobbesbot 1 piece of zamak [14:39]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [14:39]
jurov !v assbot:jurov.rate.lobbesbot.1:e86048b8b939f767104e5f5503607223701718768b0ca106edf8596d1b4255e0 [14:40]
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trinque funkenstein_: literally anyone off the street [14:54]
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funkenstein_ trinque, lol i wonder what whoever made the poster was trying to tell us.. with the choice of uncle sam [15:03]
jurov that's clear "usg wants you" [15:07]
ben_vulpes ;;ticker [15:12]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.23, Best ask: 244.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 244.23, 24 hour volume: 11849.7222125, 24 hour low: 242.0, 24 hour high: 247.99, 24 hour vwap: None [15:12]
ben_vulpes trinque: after i rebooted using "addnode" instead of "connect" directives, the thing has 7 connections and is happily munching block [15:12]
ben_vulpes blocks* [15:12]
ben_vulpes 184387 blocks, btw) [15:15]
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trinque munching block << hue [15:16]
ben_vulpes [15:33]
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assbot Bitcoin’s Ironic Crisis — Medium ... ( ) [15:59]
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mircea_popescu who is known as mats ? [16:02]
mats i had two successive brain farts while talking to nickserv [16:03]
mats plz ignore [16:03]
jurov looks like we now know your password [16:05]
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mod6 anyone wanna sell 2 Wooly Mushrooms? [16:06]
mod6 oops, wrong window [16:06]
mod6 so i'm building gcc 4.9.2 on gentoo with uclibc & hardened (PIE). if it builds ok, then I'll give building v0.5.3.1-RELEASE a try - maybe this version won't have the same issue... [16:08]
mircea_popescu flamingcows ? srsly ? [16:09]
mats i meant to perform /nickserv info flamingcows [16:09]
mats since we're all curious now [16:09]
trinque bahaha [16:10]
trinque no one could've anticipated flaming cows [16:10]
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mats << [16:35]
assbot Fort Minor - Welcome | Inyourspeakers Media ... ( ) [16:35]
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cazalla <<< this is mine.. should be good to go provided i resubmit with resolves yes on either on either intent or confirmation yeah? [17:00]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 13:21:19; kakobrekla: >Seal the Deal < lold [17:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89068 @ 0.00040291 = 35.8864 BTC [-] {2} [17:06]
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assbot What the tx-flood stress-test means for you and how to deal with it ... ( ) [17:10]
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kakobrekla that 'coinwallet' looks like scam [17:29]
mircea_popescu cazalla yeh [17:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152350 @ 0.0004009 = 61.0771 BTC [-] {2} [17:39]
mircea_popescu punkman do they have a "how not to care" guide now on github ?! [17:39]
ben_vulpes eeey, so software, am i right? [17:40]
ben_vulpes have you guys ever thought about software [17:40]
ben_vulpes it's not soft [17:40]
ben_vulpes and you can't wear it! [17:40]
ben_vulpes i'll brb - gotta submit something to the Crap Store [17:41]
mircea_popescu i hope it's a joke app [17:41]
mircea_popescu these idiots i swear. "o noes, a bunch of jokers put in a quarter of a cent on a bunch of txn, because they figure it's cheap publicity. everyone willing to pay more than 0.01% of what bank transfers cost is unaffected" [17:42]
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ascii_field so apparently 'linux support' in modern scientific instrumentation means 'you can, maybe, write own driver in a week by studying pieces of the broken turd we published five hw revisions ago' [17:45]
mircea_popescu haha. well... linux is a hobby, right ? those crazy kids enjoy derping wit h code. this is how to best support them [17:46]
* ascii_field keeps coming back to the thought that if 'adult' computer were to exist, folks would snap it up even if it were something close to, e.g., pdp-11 in horsepower [17:47]
trinque I've said this! [17:47]
trinque gimme teh S.NSA box, and I don't care how slow it is [17:48]
ascii_field the observation is by no means original to me [17:48]
ascii_field trinque: 'don't care' is strong statement - you probably want it to verify blocks in <10min, etc [17:48]
ascii_field and to address enough storage to make this criterion even meaningful [17:49]
trinque well... maybe all "it" does is talk to that which is doing the block verification [17:49]
ascii_field trinque: then it isn't a computer [17:49]
ascii_field but a terminal [17:49]
ascii_field go, buy one now. [17:49]
mircea_popescu funny how the definition of "usable computer" now includes "blocks <10min" [17:49]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: that was your maxim [17:50]
ascii_field incidentally. [17:50]
mircea_popescu o hey, it was, wasn't it. [17:50]
trinque I just want something which can derp text buffers [17:50]
trinque and shoop them somewhere else, if I'm real lucky [17:50]
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ben_vulpes schmid: yw [17:53]
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ben_vulpes !up sch [17:53]
ben_vulpes hmph. [17:53]
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assbot Deficit spending dependencies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [17:59]
pete_dushenski working on another re: treblinka [18:00]
pete_dushenski !up thestringpuller [18:02]
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mircea_popescu lol scoopbot dead again ? [18:02]
ben_vulpes where is the scoop anyways [18:02]
ben_vulpes ;;seen scoopbot_revived [18:02]
gribble scoopbot_revived was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: Changing the BitBet resolution process. [18:02]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell williamdunne ^^ [18:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:02]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu scoopy is away with williamdunne on vacation [18:02]
ascii_field isn't this how gribble was lowered into pederasty ? [18:03]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: moar movie reviews plz [18:04]
pete_dushenski lolk [18:04]
pete_dushenski i guess i need to watch more because i review at least half the ones i see [18:05]
mod6 gcc on it's 4th hour of compiling... [18:11]
pete_dushenski << one for alf. and, of course, log readers everywhere [18:11]
assbot HomePage ... ( ) [18:11]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: see log, [18:11]
assbot Logged on 22-06-2015 17:00:58; ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way. [18:12]
ascii_field no one will be making 'blocks in <10min' box with discretes. [18:12]
pete_dushenski ascii_field in my defense, my link is unique ! [18:12]
ascii_field afaik [18:12]
trinque bleh do I load the feeds plugin on mine again? [18:13]
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lobbes @rss announce add [18:20]
lobbesbot lobbes: The operation succeeded. [18:20]
trinque lobbes: you gonna scoop the scoops? [18:20]
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trinque sweet. [18:20]
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lobbes I could, though before I take that on I gotta learn how to get lobbesbot to !up himself [18:21]
lobbes jurov rated him, so he's able. But I'm too dumb to figure out how to view private messages sent to him [18:21]
trinque up to you [18:23]
mircea_popescu open them like they were a chan ? [18:23]
lobbes well, my issue thus far is that I'm running lobbesbot on a aws instance seperate from my edis bouncer instance, so the only way I can currently see privmsgs sent to it are by checking messages.log (however, this only returns up to the first 'space' in the string) [18:26]
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trinque side note, I don't hate the idea of interacting with something like IRC via simple file IO [18:28]
trinque artifexd: gossipd when! [18:29]
trinque dunno if there's a futureware I think about more [18:29]
punkman trinque: [18:29]
assbot ii | tools ... ( ) [18:29]
trinque punkman: nice, the kind of thing I'd expect on [18:29]
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pete_dushenski "Walmart (WMT) will reportedly pull items displaying the Confederate flag, according to a report late Monday. CNNMoney cited the world's biggest retailer as saying it "never want(s) to offend anyone with the products that we offer." The move comes after a 21-year old assailant gunned down nine people at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina." [18:36]
pete_dushenski now sales are through the roof for confederate flags. [18:36]
ascii_field ;;later tell BingoBoingo [18:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:36]
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pete_dushenski i guess isn't that far off [18:36]
assbot Logged on 20-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: confederate us survive [18:36]
ascii_field ;;later tell mats [18:39]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:39]
assbot Silicon Exposed: Getting my feet wet with invasive attacks, part 1: Target recon ... ( ) [18:39]
ascii_field ^ of interest to all 'xilinx' aficionados [18:39]
mircea_popescu in other news, [18:40]
assbot Game From Scratch | GameDev made easy...ish. Game programming starts here. [18:40]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: remember 'adventure construction set' and the later msdos 'adventure construction kit' ? [18:42]
mircea_popescu aha [18:42]
ascii_field << apparently ported (sorta) to modern archs [18:42]
assbot Adventure Creation Kit » About ACK ... ( ) [18:42]
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mircea_popescu sorta like the GACK [18:49]
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ascii_field << more re: xc32 [18:53]
assbot azonenberg:xilinx:xc2c32a [Silicon Pr0n] [18:53]
* ascii_field wonders if anybody's tried neutronograph of these things [18:53]
mod6 no such luck with gcc 4.9.2 -- gcc compiled fine, but ran into the same problem as with 4.8.4: [18:55]
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mod6 might try gcc-5.1.0 next. [18:56]
mod6 if that doens't work, then truly will have to get everything in sync and shoe-horn our own patch while all the stage3 stuff is up to speed. [18:58]
mod6 (in sync with what's current) [18:58]
mod6 any strong objectsions against 5.1.0? [18:59]
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mod6 there is an ebuild for gcc/uclibc/hardened version gcc-3.4.6-r2 [19:00]
mod6 if anyone thinks we should try that first. [19:00]
mircea_popescu might work [19:02]
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ben_vulpes i'm biased against moving forwards in time [19:11]
ben_vulpes newer software is just more broken in more exciting ways [19:11]
trinque ruuuuust [19:12]
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scoopbot_revived Deficit spending dependencies. [19:41]
mats asciilifeform: neat [19:41]
mats asciilifeform: friend of yours? [19:42]
pete_dushenski scoopbot_revived liveth ! [19:44]
mod6 looks like many of the much older < 4.3 ebuilds don't allow for hardened (unless I'm mistaken here). I'm gonna try 4.5.4. [19:45]
mod6 If this dones't help (i doubt it will), I'll need to make another AMI with a recent stage3 and try to shoehorn in this gcc patch I made. [19:45]
mircea_popescu shitpiel lol [19:45]
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mod6 hahah [19:46]
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mod6 ok that build is going... should take ~4 hours. [19:51]
mod6 i can't even imagine how long it would take on that POS box i bought. probably 16. [19:52]
mod6 or more [19:52]
trinque mod6: once there's a rubber-stamped set of packages, there's a way to create binary packages on gentoo [19:53]
trinque and then reuse those elsewhere [19:53]
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trinque not that others shouldn't rebuild, but rather that there'll at least be a way to quickly stand up a new dev environment later, if ya want it [19:54]
trinque dev/test/etc [19:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00040045 = 3.3638 BTC [-] [20:04]
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mod6 ah ok. [20:11]
mircea_popescu ayup [20:22]
mircea_popescu o hey wd lobbes [20:22]
scoopbot_revived It's not your family holding you back, it's your shepherdlessness. [20:24]
mats [20:36]
assbot Wal-Mart, American bellwether, and the Confederate flag - The Washington Post ... ( ) [20:36]
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scoopbot_revived Carl Mark Force IV to Plead Guilty [20:49]
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pete_dushenski does anyone ever not sign the papers ? [20:51]
pete_dushenski i mean really [20:51]
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williamdunne Back [20:51]
williamdunne Hello all [20:51]
pete_dushenski williamdunne given the rebirth of the rebirth of scoopbot, we sorta figured as much ;) [20:52]
pete_dushenski welcome home ! [20:52]
williamdunne Aha [20:52]
williamdunne Thanks :) [20:52]
williamdunne He now also has NSA's RSS feed [20:52]
williamdunne Well, Phuctors [20:52]
pete_dushenski neat. [20:53]
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mats asciilifeform: is there any useful automation for reversing from si? [21:02]
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asciilifeform mats: there were experiments with standard cell libs & ocr. sadly i haven't any links handy [21:04]
asciilifeform mats: the physical part of the process is the real bitch [21:04]
asciilifeform << nope. just ran across it by chance [21:05]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 22:38:48; mats: asciilifeform: friend of yours? [21:05]
mats when you've got a chance, i'd like a look at some of those links [21:06]
asciilifeform << wtf is that. for a sec i thought it had to do with bitcoin nodes, but turns out it's some random turd, l0l [21:07]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 22:27:30; ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment [21:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00040375 = 11.3656 BTC [+] [21:11]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nukeman looks like a solid computer [21:11]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu do we have a seed yet ? [21:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:14]
asciilifeform << the folks dragged into the star chamber thus far, afaik, are not 'the brightest bulbs' [21:16]
assbot Logged on 23-06-2015 23:47:40; pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ? [21:16]
asciilifeform but, for example, bernard von nothaus. [21:17]
asciilifeform << him [21:17]
assbot ... ( ) [21:17]
mod6 ok gcc 4.5.4 is built... trying... [21:18]
asciilifeform wrong link, oops [21:18]
asciilifeform or hm, there isn't a link. [21:18]
asciilifeform site is br0k3n [21:18]
asciilifeform [21:18]
assbot Protecting Us From A 'Terrorist' Who Made Pure Silver Coins: The Bernard von NotHaus Case - Forbes ... ( ) [21:18]
asciilifeform ^ there. [21:18]
mod6 4.5.4 failed to build just as the others did: [21:23]
assbot ... ( ) [21:23]
mod6 guess like we're gonna have to get this patch to work [21:24]
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asciilifeform ... /net.cpp:240: warning: gethostbyname is obsolescent, use getnameinfo() instead. << this is pre-dnsnuke, aha ? [21:24]
mod6 yah [21:24]
mod6 this is just v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + { Gentoo Sanity Patches } [21:25]
asciilifeform with uclibc ? [21:25]
mod6 yeah [21:25]
mod6 and PIE [21:25]
asciilifeform iirc uclibc only supports pthread after a certain version [21:25]
asciilifeform didja try the 'recompile with -fPIC' thing ? [21:26]
mod6 well, i tried v4.9.2 and that didn't work either. [21:26]
mod6 and ben didn't like the idea of using anything >4.8.4 [21:26]
mod6 and old version such as 3.4.6-r2 dones't work because no "hardening" such as PIE [21:27]
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asciilifeform speaking of uclibc here, rather than gcc [21:27]
mod6 yeah, weeks ago I did try to recompile with -fPIC [21:27]
mod6 didn't help anything. [21:27]
asciilifeform what was the output ? [21:27]
mod6 we're still dealing with this error. [21:27]
mod6 i dunno, i dont have it handy. [21:28]
mod6 i can add -fPIC in there quick and try again though [21:28]
asciilifeform plz [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.0003984 = 24.9797 BTC [-] {3} [21:28]
mod6 ok with you if i just do like: [21:29]
mod6 HARDENING+=-fPIE -pie -fPIC [21:29]
mod6 ? [21:30]
asciilifeform sure [21:30]
mod6 ok [21:30]
mod6 ok comiling [21:31]
mod6 *compiling [21:31]
mod6 last i recall i did this, i got the exact same message... [21:31]
mod6 maybe im wrong about that. [21:32]
mod6 well, and it was with gcc 4.8.4, not 4.5.4 (as it is now) [21:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33235 @ 0.00040225 = 13.3688 BTC [+] [21:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191300 @ 0.00039514 = 75.5903 BTC [-] {3} [21:33]
mod6 yeah exact same message, but i don't see the -fPIC flag in there... maybe im not adding that in there correctly? [21:35]
asciilifeform mod6: post makefile ? [21:35]
mod6 [21:36]
assbot ... ( ) [21:36]
mod6 ok sure, will post makefile [21:36]
asciilifeform and it's uclibc that has to be recompiled with that flag [21:37]
asciilifeform not bitcoin [21:37]
mod6 ohh. [21:38]
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mod6 [21:38]
assbot ... ( ) [21:38]
mod6 makefile (for bitcoin ^) [21:38]
asciilifeform now try rebuilding uclibc with it... [21:38]
mod6 ok. [21:39]
mod6 trinque: any idea how to do that? (recompile uclibc with a specific flag?) [21:39]
asciilifeform slip it in its makefile [21:39]
trinque sounds like ebuild munging [21:39]
asciilifeform !up thestringpuller [21:40]
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trinque mod6: could patch the Makefile using that patches mechanism [21:40]
asciilifeform in cases like this, i build the old-fashioned way and only then screw with ebuilds [21:40]
mod6 hmm. [21:41]
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asciilifeform (esp. considering that we will eventually 'vendor' - to use ben_vulpes's terminology - uclibc) [21:41]
mod6 i usually do that too. [21:41]
trinque yeah, makes sense [21:41]
thestringpuller thx asciilifeform i accidentally msg'd you instead of assbot [21:41]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: been watching this dumb netflix show "Orange is the new black" the russian mobster woman says a lot of the same stuff you do. [21:42]
asciilifeform l0l wut [21:42]
thestringpuller well for instance she was talking about valentina tereshkova, and said something like, "She's petitioning putin to go to mars, cause the russians, they stay focused" [21:43]
* asciilifeform does not remember saying this [21:44]
thestringpuller i guess it's more of a "vibe" kinda thing. the "doesn't fuck around staying focused" kinda vibe. [21:44]
thestringpuller anti-chumpatron is the only term i can think of [21:45]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mats << possibly also of interest [21:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:46]
assbot CMOSfold: FTDI FT232RL ... ( ) [21:46]
asciilifeform ^ also re: the old 'real asic or not' threads [21:46]
mod6 trinque: you think what i'm looking for (at least the ebuilds for uclibc) are in here? /usr/portage/sys-libs/uclibc? [21:48]
trinque that's where the ebuilds are [21:48]
trinque the build-stuff is in /var/tmp/portage [21:49]
trinque there's probably a flag to have it dump out the goods there, but not build [21:49]
trinque if not you could maybe start the build then kill it, then go there and hax [21:49]
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mod6 huh, how do i even figure out what version of uclibc I'm using? [21:50]
trinque mod6: equery tells you that, I think, and lots of other useful stuff [21:51]
mod6 ok we'll take this back to pm [21:51]
mod6 ok found it: [21:56]
mod6 think something like this will work? [22:04]
mod6 [22:04]
assbot ... ( ) [22:04]
mod6 asciilifeform: ^ [22:05]
asciilifeform ok... [22:10]
asciilifeform result? [22:10]
mod6 it's building now... [22:12]
mod6 (uclibc) [22:13]
BingoBoingo Apparently Luke-Jr has a node version census thing which unlike isn't limiting itself completely to Hearniated nodes [22:13]
assbot ... ( ) [22:13]
mod6 asciilifeform: uClibc built & completed install. [22:18]
mod6 rebuilding btc [22:18]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: for some reason i don't see the total count... [22:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0748 BTC [+] [22:19]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: yeah. not the best tool but seems like a less shitty effort to show version strings offered by things purporting to be bitcoin nodes [22:22]
mod6 i got the same error as before asciilifeform. maybe i screwed something up. [22:23]
mod6 i'll try again [22:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93900 @ 0.00039489 = 37.0802 BTC [-] {2} [22:29]
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mod6 well, so here's the deal. I can't get it to compile "by hand". meaning, that if i extract the 2 bzip'd files for uclibc: uClibc- & uClibc- and then patch the former with the latter with something like this: for i in `ls ../patch/*.patch | sort` ; do patch -p1 < ../patch/$i ; done [22:43]
mod6 it patches cleanly, and then I add -fPIC to the makefile as shown before. [22:43]
mod6 but then it doesn't compile. [22:43]
mod6 if I add a simple patch file for the -fPIC to /etc/portage/patches/sys-lib/ and then emerge uclibc, then it builds, but the outcome is the same of the bitcoind compilation [22:44]
asciilifeform mod6: post the build log from 'doesn't compile' ? [22:44]
mod6 sure. [22:44]
mod6 gotta re-run it. just a sc. [22:44]
mod6 oh and during a "manual" build, it pops up with a ncurses config screen, i just used the defaults. [22:46]
mod6 although one thing in there allows for usage of arc4random (a note for later maybe) but i left it unselected. [22:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00040547 = 24.166 BTC [+] {2} [22:51]
mod6 [22:51]
assbot ... ( ) [22:51]
mod6 in the menuconfig, this is selected by default: [23:05]
mod6 [*] Generate only Position Independent Code (PIC) (NEW) [23:05]
mod6 this is what the help screen says for this option ^^ [23:05]
mod6 [23:05]
assbot ... ( ) [23:05]
mod6 uClibc- # grep "DOPIC" .config [23:07]
mod6 DOPIC=y [23:07]
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mod6 anyway, ran it again, same error. and it looks to me that PIC should be compiled in by default. [23:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00039446 = 49.6625 BTC [-] {2} [23:10]
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mod6 and I can confirm that the ebuild has DOPIC=y in it's default .config: [23:24]
assbot ... ( ) [23:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96350 @ 0.0004091 = 39.4168 BTC [+] {2} [23:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169828 @ 0.00041106 = 69.8095 BTC [+] {2} [23:50]
asciilifeform << lulzy. but for some reason author did not consider the possibility that isps snort downstream from known tor exits [23:52]
assbot A month with BADONIONS ... ( ) [23:53]
asciilifeform mod6: thus far i'm stumped. will probably have to replicate your entire setup to get to the bottom of this (assuming you haven't yet) [23:55]
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mod6 i havent yet. [23:58]
mod6 tomorrow i'm going to create a new gentoo AMI with the stage3 from 20150610 [23:58]
mod6 then i can start over i guess. [23:59]
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