Forum logs for 23 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

nubbins`	it really is only like another $8 for the purple logo'd one, hey?	[00:00]
danielpbarron	yes	[00:00]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> so i'm banning both clam shitcoin and cryptsy from bitbet. anyone want to argue either ? << Surprised Cryptsy didn't hit the shitlist earlier	[00:00]
asciilifeform	what even was it...	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	me too. i guess nobody cared.	[00:00]
nubbins`	i feel like i have a sata drive from my last laptop somewhere	[00:00]
nubbins`	it drank a beer	[00:00]
danielpbarron	that's the idea / that most people probably have a harddrive they can rip out of an old laptop	[00:01]
nubbins`	danielpbarron in fact, if i order two pogos on ebay, it automatically adds import charges	[00:01]
nubbins`	one pogo, no charges	[00:01]
nubbins`	dem regulations	[00:02]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: that was precisely why i wanted the sata feature, yes	[00:02]
danielpbarron	how much would 2 cost you?	[00:02]
nubbins`	overall slightly cheaper per unit than ordering one	[00:03]
danielpbarron	even with the extra charge?	[00:03]
nubbins`	added import charges, marginally higher shipping cost	[00:03]
nubbins`	yep	[00:03]
danielpbarron	fwiw, my profession is shipping/recieving	[00:03]
danielpbarron	specifically LTL	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	haha cool.	[00:04]
*	BingoBoingo sees need for WoT endorsed BTC courier service. If in 2 years does not exist and BTCexchange rate/Qntra workload stabilizes may consider	[00:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.0004118 = 5.0446 BTC [+]	[00:05]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: might be one of those 'requires fortress' things	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron srsly, mayhap make a business out of it ? btc clearance warehouse	[00:05]
danielpbarron	i had that idea last year	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	"ship me anything you want, ask for anything you want"	[00:06]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Right. Obstacle is pricing drug fucks out of service.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	add a storage service to it, etc.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	"leaving the us to go chase the republic ? ship me your shit. ill store or sell it"	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo wot only.	[00:06]
asciilifeform	bitmule	[00:07]
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nubbins`	danielpbarron hmm	[00:07]
nubbins`	what can we work out here :D	[00:08]
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BingoBoingo	mod6: You know once 0.5.3.x stabilizes there's probably an opportunity for driving utilization by submitting it to various *BSD Ports trees as bitcoind-LTS	[00:11]
nubbins`	:o	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	implying anyone but us uses bsd	[00:11]
asciilifeform	^l0l	[00:11]
BingoBoingo	Well, appliance use of various BSD's is not uncommon	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	right.	[00:12]
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asciilifeform	i can already picture 'teh phyootur' where the ada-on-bare-metal meta-foundation(tm) is laughing at us	[00:12]
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mircea_popescu	how ? we'd just join.	[00:13]
BingoBoingo	Old desktop + OpenBSD pf = loadbalancer sort of thing/	[00:13]
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BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[00:13]
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BingoBoingo	i can already picture 'teh phyootur' where the ada-on-bare-metal meta-foundation(tm) is laughing at us << Irony of USG sponsored Ada saving the world from C is delicious	[00:14]
asciilifeform	earlier usg	[00:14]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Not so much earlier as to be alien or ancient. I mean they were propping up dementia guy from the TV ads as a figurehead	[00:15]
asciilifeform	(also can talk about att being every bit as 'usg' as any ministry, at the time of being a national telecom megamonopoly)	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	gunnery sargeant hartmann usg	[00:15]
asciilifeform	orwell more or less spot on - nothing happened in the 20th c. except as nominally decreed in some mega-empire or other	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	like btc.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	in the loose sense where what happened at bell had anything to do with the throne	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	o sorry you said 20th	[00:17]
asciilifeform	20th!	[00:17]
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asciilifeform	https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fa.netbsd.tech.kern/8K8OcXVxyXM	[00:22]
assbot	Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB24aY )	[00:22]
asciilifeform	^ what i'm seeing with my entire collection of sata drives	[00:22]
asciilifeform	netbsd is unusable unless+until this is fixed	[00:23]
asciilifeform	on pogo.	[00:23]
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BingoBoingo	!up hanbot	[00:23]
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BingoBoingo	!up paxtoncamaro91	[00:24]
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indiancandy1	im watchin a movie	[00:25]
indiancandy1	rocknrola	[00:25]
[]bot	Bet created: "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/	[00:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42461 @ 0.00041362 = 17.5627 BTC [+] {3}	[00:27]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.	[00:29]
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mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/11/the_question_isnt_why_do_babie.html#c039912	[00:35]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: The Question Isn't Why Do Babies Do It ... ( http://bit.ly/1EGMVyh )	[00:35]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ah, no those books aren't albums. Just pulp. Titles on the spines look great on the bookshelf though. Cover art isn't bad either	[00:36]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wtf, i'd fail this test even now. who's to say that 'climber' is really being 'helped' by being pushed up	[00:37]
asciilifeform	and this is supposed to be clear to a baby ?	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	it's fucking stupid is whjat it is	[00:37]
ben_vulpes	y'r thinkin too hard, alf	[00:37]
asciilifeform	it's rubbish	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	it IS clear to a baby, but only because babies are retards.	[00:37]
asciilifeform	unadulterated rubbish	[00:37]
ben_vulpes	it's supposed to validate the underlying thesis.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	this neoprotestant platonic pedophilia is outright obscene	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	ESPECIALLY in the context of how agitated they are about fucking children.	[00:38]
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nubbins`	why did this guy stop updating his blog	[00:41]
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BingoBoingo	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html	[00:41]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB5p9Z )	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	alf's forced theory is that he got paid infinity whores & blows to run all the meta-usg	[00:41]
nubbins`	how pedestrian an end	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	even if that happened... he's not actually good enough.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	nah gewagenen	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	no wai.	[00:42]
nubbins`	prolly got fed up and moved to the woods	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	listen, there's not that much hr available. given your other beliefs you are required to believe he's the lizard hitler now.	[00:43]
nubbins`	i wonder what book /he/ took	[00:43]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` shaw	[00:43]
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BingoBoingo	https://www.michaelwlucas.com/autobiography/the-porn-star	[00:44]
asciilifeform	neh, his reptilian majesty is too pumped on meth and playing 'space invaders' with live gurlz to be tlp	[00:44]
assbot	The Porn Star « Michael W Lucas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB5Wsy )	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	guy admits to being a drunk...	[00:44]
asciilifeform	stalins don't drink. only yeltsins drink	[00:45]
asciilifeform	or at least, take to drink	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	guy admits to being a drunk... << Most drunks do. Drunks are braggarts.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	notice that there's no space for lizard hitler being any kind of stalin.	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[00:47]
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asciilifeform	but sure, the lizarditude of the observable universe is a bit much to fit in a man-sized bucket. sorta like the apparent limit to achievable magnetic field density..	[00:47]
indiancandy1	im buyin 1000 instagram followers	[00:48]
indiancandy1	for 5 dollars	[00:48]
asciilifeform	indiancandy1: why?!	[00:48]
asciilifeform	indiancandy1: at least read 'Spam Like A Pro In 21 Days' first.	[00:48]
indiancandy1	whats that	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	https://www.michaelwlucas.com/autobiography/the-thumbs	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo re the name, i definitely got that one pat. no romanian's ever going to be a contender. and that mircea chick really faded after a brief moment of fame	[00:49]
assbot	The Thumbs « Michael W Lucas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB6Hln )	[00:49]
indiancandy1	spam like a pro	[00:49]
danielpbarron	i tried to buy twitter followers on the silk road once, but canceled when the guy couldn't decrypt the GPG message containing the username (not for my account / i was trying to freak out an associate of mine who takes twitter way too seriously despite having only 50 followers)	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	which, coincidentally or not, centers on me writing an article about her	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I dunno, that artist and his blawg...	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	yaya	[00:49]
indiancandy1	wat is spam like a pro	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 basically he's saying this is a full time job and you won't be seeing any roi as an amateur	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[00:50]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3M7MFCN.txt )	[00:50]
asciilifeform	dear kiyohara takashi, wtf. sincerely,	[00:51]
asciilifeform	everyone	[00:51]
indiancandy1	roi?	[00:51]
danielpbarron	indiancandy1, btw -- bought followers are worthless; they don't get you impressions or engagements. it just makes the number on your profile look big (so what)	[00:52]
BingoBoingo	indiancandy1: Return on Investment	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	return on investment	[00:52]
indiancandy1	3pound	[00:52]
indiancandy1	is not a loss	[00:52]
asciilifeform	indiancandy1: do you drive a car? when you go to a petrol pump, do you pay them to fill your tank? or to wind your gauge to 'full' by hand ?	[00:52]
indiancandy1	i dont drive	[00:53]
indiancandy1	lol	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:53]
asciilifeform	could be why having problem grasping the concept	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	well, she's trying to do something. which in principle is sane, better do something than nothing at all.	[00:53]
indiancandy1	lol	[00:53]
asciilifeform	nobody alive does 'nothing at all'	[00:53]
indiancandy1	aww mp sticking up 4 me	[00:53]
asciilifeform	everybody's trying 'something'	[00:53]
asciilifeform	afaik	[00:54]
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asciilifeform	http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c?annotate=1.34&only_with_tag=MAIN	[00:55]
assbot	src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c - annotate - 1.34 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JB7RgI )	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 you got twitch ? or how the fuck is that ipad dating app called	[00:56]
indiancandy1	what	[00:57]
indiancandy1	twich?	[00:57]
indiancandy1	never heard of it	[00:57]
indiancandy1	im not down with the cool kids	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	;;google wtf is that stupid ipad dating app called	[00:57]
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gribble	Oh God, I Spent $494.04 Playing the Kim Kardashian Hollywood App: ; Talking Angela iPhone app scare spreads on Facebook \| Naked ...: ; 7+ Frustrating Things in iOS 8 and What To Do About Them: (1 more message)	[00:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: tinder	[00:57]
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indiancandy1	tell me more	[00:57]
asciilifeform	mats described it here	[00:57]
indiancandy1	no i dont do u ?	[00:57]
danielpbarron	#LeftSwipeDat	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 : buy borrow or steal an ipad ; install tinder ; go out wtih ALL the guys, insist they promote you on their social media.	[00:58]
danielpbarron	the app is so popular, the truth anti-smoking ads assume you're already familiar with it	[00:58]
indiancandy1	ahaha	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	do at least 3 a day, that's 20 a week. a month later you got mommentum plus enough dining out experience to start your own cooking blog	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	now go.	[00:58]
indiancandy1	o my	[00:58]
indiancandy1	mp	[00:58]
indiancandy1	ur so funny	[00:58]
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mircea_popescu	im not joking.	[00:59]
indiancandy1	is it for casual sex	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	yes. it's for casual sex with geeky derps.	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	Swipe right every day, #YesAllWomen	[00:59]
danielpbarron	hahahaha	[00:59]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that's rich, lol. rather like saying that spam is for nigerians to become millionaires	[00:59]
danielpbarron	wait is that not a joke.. is that what that hashtag meant?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i bet you that if she had the mettle to obey me exactly she'd have that viral she wants.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	quite likely	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	the problem is, you don't get the girl in a position to execute without the basement halfyear.	[01:00]
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BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Not a joke.	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: The statement preceeding the hashtag is literally what the hashtag is all about	[01:01]
indiancandy1	nigerians do yahoo yahoo it involves witchcraft	[01:01]
indiancandy1	there are actually witchdoctors that specialise in this 419 thing	[01:01]
asciilifeform	since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh?	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it provides structure for the conversation.	[01:02]
indiancandy1	it works on gprs	[01:02]
indiancandy1	so basically seeking locals	[01:02]
BingoBoingo	since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh? << Not in its spec. Hands this off to wetware	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	you're not going to say "how bout those metz" not because you're not dumb enough to do that, which you are, but because you're not smart enough to think ot the metz.	[01:02]
asciilifeform	but that's the actual mega-problem	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	so you're stuck being in the same space.	[01:02]
cazalla	nothing worse than a woman enthral by her iphone, i'd bet the tinder girls are much worse	[01:02]
indiancandy1	it should be called seeking locals	[01:02]
cazalla	i would do the twitch thing tbh, tinder dating you are capped at one man per date, twitch is unlimited	[01:03]
indiancandy1	its for people who just want casual sex	[01:03]
indiancandy1	and this days most of society just want that	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	it should be called seeking locals << This is why you suck at spam 101	[01:03]
asciilifeform	see also the wunderwaffen thread:	[01:03]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1017942	[01:03]
assbot	Logged on 14-02-2015 02:47:47; mircea_popescu: do you skip to where the machine got abandoned and read her again ?	[01:03]
indiancandy1	i dont spam	[01:03]
indiancandy1	?	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	indiancandy1: I know. It's jsut actual descriptive names don't ever go viral	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform now imagine if on top of all this "important" stuff, she also had the fucking receiver bolt : "for every missing one, you get ten lashes. each day."	[01:04]
asciilifeform	my understanding was that 'tinder' etc. could only boost the guy's chances because the gurl arrives pre-initialized	[01:04]
BingoBoingo	my understanding was that 'tinder' etc. could only boost the guy's chances because the gurl arrives pre-initialized << Does it need to do more?	[01:04]
danielpbarron	asciilifeform, the app helps in that it isn't aimed at establishing long-term relationships; you can already have a new one-night-stand ready for when you're done with the current one	[01:05]
indiancandy1	it should be called sluts r us	[01:05]
indiancandy1	ahahahahahahah	[01:05]
cazalla	indiancandy1, quit slut shaming	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	sluts r us!	[01:05]
asciilifeform	well yes but how does it improve chances vs. visiting a specially-designated heathen pit where these presently congregate	[01:05]
danielpbarron	from what i understand though, the guys are the sluts; the app is for women	[01:05]
indiancandy1	there is one for gays also	[01:06]
asciilifeform	^ now -that- would make sense	[01:06]
indiancandy1	and one for lesboz	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	well yes but how does it improve chances vs. visiting a specially-designated heathen pit where these presently congregate << Heathen pits have greater explicit costs	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re pit, zappa's opinions re disco.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	iirc quoted here a while back too	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	there is one for gays also << Grindr	[01:06]
indiancandy1	ya	[01:06]
cazalla	back in my day we had to use adult friend finder, none of this fancy iphone shit	[01:06]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: costs?	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Heathen pit costs time	[01:06]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if you can afford a computer, you can afford to visit pub	[01:07]
asciilifeform	ah hm.	[01:07]
indiancandy1	hot girls dont go pubs	[01:07]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Your forget idiots suck at math	[01:07]
indiancandy1	hot girls go to bars	[01:07]
asciilifeform	indiancandy1: bar is not same as pub where you live ?	[01:07]
indiancandy1	london	[01:07]
indiancandy1	and its completley different	[01:07]
cazalla	likewise, pub/bar are two diff things down under	[01:08]
danielpbarron	is the difference whether you sit or stand?	[01:08]
indiancandy1	no	[01:08]
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indiancandy1	if i had 2 compare it to hotels i would say a bar is more 5star and pub is like local bed and breakfast	[01:09]
cazalla	pub is more cheap food and booze, bar is more.. cocktail.. you'd never get a cocktail at a pub.. unless ya like a poof or something	[01:09]
danielpbarron	i can't find a good cocktail anywhere	[01:11]
indiancandy1	unless ur like a poof	[01:11]
indiancandy1	thats funny	[01:11]
ben_vulpes	danielpbarron: generally you make 'em.	[01:11]
indiancandy1	daniel were do u liive	[01:11]
ben_vulpes	or have the girl do it.	[01:11]
danielpbarron	yep	[01:11]
ben_vulpes	a, the...	[01:11]
danielpbarron	indiancandy1, Connecticut (the state next to new york city)	[01:12]
BingoBoingo	likewise, pub/bar are two diff things down under << Here pub is fancier subset of bar where craft beer poofs congregate	[01:13]
cazalla	this is why true blue aussie battler slim dusty sang of a pub with no beer and not no cocktails https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E0aZ387M_I	[01:13]
assbot	Pub With No Beer - Slim Dusty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBaNtN )	[01:13]
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BingoBoingo	http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-10-reasons-why-the-gabf-sucks.html << "Hall F of the Colorado Convention Center possesses all the charm of a Soviet tank factory with the Nazis closing in. All the ugly, hard surfaces distort and amplify the happy babble of the crowd into the soundtrack of the Spanish inquisition. I’m well-aware of the brewery association’s rationale: With so many people begging to be fleeced, they have an obli	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	gation to provide enough space to fleece as many as possible. Which is fine, but that doesn’t mean the fleece factory has to look and feel like a fleece factory." Everything wrong with craft beer scene	[01:15]
assbot	Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBb7Zs )	[01:15]
indiancandy1	in dubai u get nice pubs	[01:15]
indiancandy1	GOODNIGHT EVRYBODY	[01:16]
indiancandy1	XXXXXXXX	[01:16]
BingoBoingo	http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-champagne-is-fucking-overrated.html	[01:16]
assbot	Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBbgwa )	[01:16]
ben_vulpes	oi fuck you	[01:16]
ben_vulpes	champagne is not overrated	[01:16]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: It totally is	[01:16]
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ben_vulpes	bourbon? self-disqualified.	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Bourbon is good, but still not as efficient as pure ETOH	[01:18]
decimation	champagne from champagne or fizzy wine in general?	[01:18]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: Well, I linked a text authored by a person with more polished thoughts on the matter	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/01/hey_we_just_now_invented_a_coc.html#comment-26844 << tlp gets some outright great comments	[01:20]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Hey! We Just Now Invented A Cocaine Vaccine 9 Years Ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBbZ0j )	[01:20]
ben_vulpes	decimation: the person in question wouldn't know the difference.	[01:20]
BingoBoingo	I’m not going to go overboard here by claiming that there’s somehow nothing worse than the introduction of a bottle of champagne to a party setting, but I will call that shit out as being a significant speed bump at any given semiformal bacchanal—say, <, What is untrue about this. Champagne is a speed bump, and obstruction	[01:22]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: have you ever been to Wilson's Pizza in Windsor?	[01:22]
BingoBoingo	"There’s a gathering ‘round, anticipations, the camaraderie of the pour-and-pass. Speeches are made and improvised from makeshift pulpits. In a chamber of strangers there comes a blossoming sense of true union, a warm realization of the beauty in us all, and the hope for a happier tomorrow. The energy of the room charges upward to its apex, tears flow freely, everyone screams… And then, in silent finale, we all tip back bar	[01:23]
BingoBoingo	ely half a cup of soda water gone rotten, say aaah, and limply burp. Hooray?"	[01:23]
ben_vulpes	poor people opining about champagne.	[01:23]
ben_vulpes	good find, BingoBoingo.	[01:23]
*	mircea_popescu went to some sort of shibaru get together here, it was advertised as "bring someting to share". i brought two bottles of fizzy, ended up drinking it with girl i brought and her friend that made the invite, because the other people were too shy.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	also, shibaru dressed. srsly.	[01:23]
ben_vulpes	haw	[01:24]
ben_vulpes	what's the point?	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	and i don't mean dressed as in swimwear either.	[01:24]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Not quite. More people opining on the forgetableness of champagne for the serious drink hobbyist.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	fuckign street clothes.	[01:24]
danielpbarron	thestringpuller> danielpbarron: have you ever been to Wilson's Pizza in Windsor? << no; not sure if i've even been to windsor	[01:24]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, ever been blind drunk only to find that old abandoned bottle of champas in the back of a cupboard and despite being blind drunk, half of it gets tipped down the sink?	[01:24]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo, ever been blind drunk only to find that old abandoned bottle of champas in the back of a cupboard and despite being blind drunk, half of it gets tipped down the sink? << Seriously, shit dies within minutes of opening	[01:25]
ben_vulpes	was there anything interesting on display at all?	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes it was like 2 other guys and about 7 girls. exactly one barely fuckable in the lot, and she looked and acted like a 17 yo cutting class.	[01:26]
ben_vulpes	sounds par for your experiences down south.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	on re-read i guess to some people that sounds like praise. it ain't.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes somehow this disease where "words, we are using them" has definitely spread to here.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	i blame tv.	[01:28]
cazalla	you know, one of the many things i don't grasp about bdsm is what looks like a desire of people to do it in a social setting than privacy of ones own home	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	cazalla ever fucked a girl in public ?	[01:28]
cazalla	not in full view, no	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	ever thought about doin' it ?	[01:29]
cazalla	off to the side, out of view, yes, but not a habit either	[01:29]
cazalla	no, not really, i like the comfort of home where shameful acts remain out of sight	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	well then makes sense.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	not a fan of restaurants either ?	[01:30]
unbalanced	Sheesh, the conversation always takes a turn in the minutes it takes me to read a link and find a relevant reply	[01:30]
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cazalla	i'm not, but prob for reasons other than implied (don't like to eat in front of others i'm guessing, but that does not bother me)	[01:30]
unbalanced	mp, re: the TLP comment I saw this the other day: https://twitter.com/renaudbedard/status/567827024775127040	[01:30]
assbot	Woooah, a spambot barfed its post recipe on my blog, it's beautiful o_o // http://t.co/AVhrIFXgEK http://t.co/tlrHBHa5Oj	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	jus' saying, you know, each has his own inclinations. some ppl like it. some don't mind it. etc.	[01:30]
unbalanced	BingoBoingo, thanks for the upvoice	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	unbalanced happens to me occasionally too. {\|\|\|} etc stuff	[01:31]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: You're welcome. It's been a while	[01:31]
unbalanced	I wander off for a few months and sites fall off the web like flies.	[01:31]
unbalanced	I take it Altcoin is history? And Virtex and VoS here in Canada.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	for plenty of girls being fucked in public is a major trespass, and sexual arousal and taboo breaking are intrinsically linked.	[01:32]
cazalla	i assume you mean in full view of the public and not hidden away up a side alley	[01:33]
cazalla	a romp in the side alley = fear of being caught, but in full view of the public and on display for anyone that cares to watch.. must be something else?	[01:34]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: ATC died, mining became unteneable	[01:35]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: On the plus side ATC's death highlighted a critical vulnerability in mining economics for alts	[01:35]
unbalanced	I guess when X-BT was gone, miners saw no market for ATC?	[01:37]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: ATC's death prompted X-BT to end, not the reverse	[01:37]
unbalanced	Aside from OTC here in IRC I guess.	[01:37]
unbalanced	Still, hard to find "a greater fool" to dump ATC on with me absent.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: l0l re: cocaine vaccine. the proposed 'dope vaccines' are one of the true eldrich horrors, that, were they actually put to use, would make folks pine for herr doktor mengele and his mercies	[01:38]
unbalanced	Nice work on qntra, btw	[01:38]
asciilifeform	think for a minute if the 'why' isn't obvious	[01:38]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: Well the MPIF ATC profit center died because MP ordered it when he saw continuing anything aTC would involve potentially unbounded costs.	[01:38]
unbalanced	To all involved.	[01:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2796 @ 0.00041502 = 1.1604 BTC [+]	[01:38]
asciilifeform	picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres	[01:39]
asciilifeform	(i can't picture a 'cocaine vaccine' doing anything else, if it works at all)	[01:39]
BingoBoingo	picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres << This	[01:39]
unbalanced	*nice work to all involved meaning BingoBoingo / cazalla / mp, unless I'm missing anyone.	[01:39]
asciilifeform	ditto for the opiate 'vaccine'	[01:39]
asciilifeform	i can see it as a grotesque means of execution, however.	[01:39]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: Our best recent piece was asciilifeform's disk controller epic	[01:40]
unbalanced	Oh jeez, I see the Dec statement, lots of authors. Nice model!	[01:40]
asciilifeform	'vaccinate' poor schmuck and lock him in an oubliette with a rusty razor.	[01:40]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: Our most retweeted recently though was me cribbing crunchbase, because fuck Superfish/TimDraper	[01:40]
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unbalanced	asciilifeform: my favourite part of that was learning that there's a "Persistence Division" -- sounds like an 80's electronica band	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	cazalla well... something else, sure. like a strong signal to the other females.	[01:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00041502 = 5.7273 BTC [+]	[01:51]
cazalla	looks like one of the cloudhashing.com guys has a new scam at freebitcoins.com to harvest emails at 0.0001 per	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell indiancandy1 marketing 101 http://drunkard.com/issues/59/59-thunderbird-is-the-word.html	[01:51]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:51]
assbot	Modern Drunkard Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyshwW )	[01:51]
unbalanced	Would you say Qubes is worth trying as a more secure OS? I think you mentioned it once wayyy back...	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	2 cents an email ? hey, that's about what megalists cost.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	unbalanced: the reason for this is the elementary fact that, while virtually all victims of usg ops are dumb enough to run winblows, not all of them are so exquisitely stupid as to use the install that came in the crate	[01:52]
asciilifeform	unbalanced: hence persistence-through-diddled-hw shenanigans	[01:52]
unbalanced	...so I looked for a laptop that would support all the goodies in Qubes, and ended up buying -- wait for it -- a Lenovo.	[01:53]
unbalanced	Can't win.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	unbalanced: qubes << i most certainly never suggested it. as far as i can see, it's plain 'xen' and subject to all the caveats thereof ('escapes' etc)	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: My online machine is still a 2011 vintage cheapo thinkpad. Love it.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	as a general rule, piss on anyone pitching a linux distro as 'an os'	[01:54]
asciilifeform	there is no excuse for lying. don't say 'i wrote an os' when you rolled a linux distro like 100,000 other folks.	[01:54]
unbalanced	Of course it wasn't a consumer Lenovo, but it seems if you buy the latest Intel processor for security features you may be buying a factory-pwned unit anyway.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	if gonna lie, at least try to be believable ?	[01:54]
*	BingoBoingo is coming around to idea that if linux is used msut be built from toothpicks	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dun think you understand how pubescent male brain works.	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: The cheapo lenovos come with AMD	[01:55]
unbalanced	I'd buy a used ThinkPad but who knows how diddled that would be now from 4 years of some shlub surfing porn?	[01:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: to the extent i know how any other one works.	[01:56]
asciilifeform	wasn't, after all, born this age.	[01:56]
*	BingoBoingo finds present online machine valuable because acquired well before could have been considered interesting personally	[01:56]
danielpbarron	i chatted with someone the other day who claimed to be using a "custom OS" / when pressed further he admitted it was ubuntu with some features disabled	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "hi baby i'm a producer". " i made an os"	[01:56]
asciilifeform	http://www.techtimes.com/articles/28288/20150123/researchers-test-anti-cocaine-vaccine-taps-immune-system-to-end-addiction.htm << this is interesting -only- because of the photo of the crack woman from pediwikia. it used to have a face!	[01:56]
assbot	Researchers Test Anti-Cocaine Vaccine, Taps Immune System to End Addiction : LIFE : Tech Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zysKPD )	[01:56]
asciilifeform	i saw it many times	[01:56]
asciilifeform	and it had a face.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	i even have this captured in trilema amber	[01:57]
asciilifeform	that photo only existed as a propaganda device, 'woman, see what the dope life does to face?!'	[01:57]
asciilifeform	and now it looks almost normal	[01:58]
asciilifeform	but i can see some pediwikian fuhrer going 'we shall now censor faces'	[01:58]
asciilifeform	re: 'dope life':	[01:59]
asciilifeform	there are conditions that interfere with sleep. as in, cannot - or can only rarely - sleep. eventually fatal. but before victim dies, he experiences more or less the whole gamut of 'meth addict' pathologies.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	actually i so very much doubt that has to be fatal...	[02:00]
asciilifeform	which suggests that u.s. army medics were right, and meth (or other stimulator) per se doesn't poison the user	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	if i ever get one i'll report.	[02:00]
unbalanced	BingoBoingo, I imagine anyone wandering through this channel must end up on a no-fly list within a week. I mean, if there's a Persistence Division, there must be an #Assets Assembly.	[02:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: kills via immune collapse	[02:00]
asciilifeform	iirc.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the thing is, when i don't actually sleep i revert to these 4 hour cycles with about an hourish of downtime, and im fine.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	i think the pathology results from not actually respecting that.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the pathology arises in cases where victim - usually for reason of taking stimulator nonstop - feels no compulsion to sleep.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	this is not the only incident of 'modern' medicine failing to factor out comorbidities correctly	[02:02]
*	mircea_popescu is one of those rare folks that can stand guard two weeks and still appreciate humor at the end of it.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	see also tthe case of the wholly fictional 'crack babies'	[02:02]
asciilifeform	(which were, to the extent the pathologies were actual, vs imagined, alcohol babies)	[02:02]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, sleep deprived hysteria? had this after the first week with baby, i have never laughed so hard and all i assume as a result from total lack of sleep	[02:03]
*	asciilifeform personal record - 1 week. and appreciated humour perhaps too much after that. but story for another time	[02:03]
unbalanced	I saw bitwork.io in an early qntra.net article... is the maker from around here, an #asset-erian?	[02:04]
danielpbarron	i went a few days without sleep and began to hallucinate	[02:04]
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cazalla	unbalanced, i don't believe so, exchanged a few emails with the guy who built that but unsure if he ever came here	[02:04]
danielpbarron	!up NewLiberty	[02:05]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla no hysteria, but i get very disinclined to listen to what excuses anyone may have.	[02:05]
unbalanced	cazalla, thanks -- I was pondering a similar idea about how to divvy-up boring micro data-cleaning work by pipelining it to many users and doing micro-payments.	[02:06]
unbalanced	Like captcha's I'd need a human decision for the choices my code couldn't make... and would need to run each one by say 5 people then take the "wisdom of the crowds" consensus answer.	[02:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29793 @ 0.00040662 = 12.1144 BTC [-] {2}	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	this is the shittiest wetware cpu design yet.	[02:08]
unbalanced	Simple stuff for a native speaker in a given language: correcting capitalization on names, coding mistyped countries	[02:08]
ben_vulpes	unbalanced: the term is "asshat"	[02:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13507 @ 0.00040429 = 5.4607 BTC [-]	[02:10]
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unbalanced	Ohhhh that's why I get called asshat all the time.	[02:11]
unbalanced	But the question is, how do people driving by know I lurk here?	[02:12]
BingoBoingo	'Ernest Gallo told and re-told a story about driving through Atlanta and spotting a man drinking on the sidewalk. “What’s the word?” Gallo called out. The response was instantaneous: “Thunderbird!” and both the wino and the millionaire dissolved into laughter.'	[02:13]
unbalanced	mircea_popescu: yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything there... I was hoping for an API to hook into but my needs are custom enough I'll likely have to roll my own UI anyway.	[02:15]
BingoBoingo	"Not surprisingly, this misguided attempt at respectability failed. Thereafter, Gallo disassociated itself from Thunderbird by simply removing the Gallo name from the Thunderbird label."	[02:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00040466 = 1.214 BTC [+]	[02:15]
BingoBoingo	"Television ads featured the fictional characters “Frank Bartles” and “Ed Jaymes,” two kindly old men so honest and down-to-earth they ended each spot by thanking viewers “for your support.”"	[02:16]
ben_vulpes	dude	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	everything in the ruby world is abandonware	[02:18]
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BingoBoingo	!up unbalanced	[02:19]
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BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: what do you seriously expect from the language that spawned the framework that killed vircurex	[02:20]
unbalanced	Thanks Bingo	[02:20]
BingoBoingo	For people lacking history Vircurex was what cryptsy aspired to be until Vircurex was robbed to the point no one bothered robbing it anymore	[02:21]
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ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: it also runs davout's thing	[02:22]
unbalanced	We get a lot of data coming in where users enter things like "NHL" "Nat'l Hockey League" "N.H.l." or umpteen other bastardizations of whatever the short text field is asking for.	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Davout also cares enough though to run off of a name. Vircurex was run by "Kumala" who even mircea_popescu doesn't care enough about to dox.	[02:23]
unbalanced	I can reduce the data cleaning chore via buzzword compliance: gamification, cryptocurrency, micropayments... child labor... addictive push notifications, the whole nine yeards.	[02:27]
unbalanced	Purely scratching my own itch there. Not proposing a wetware CPU startup. No Tesla coming out of this one, just fewer manual SQL statements.	[02:28]
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unbalanced	Bingo, I get Bartles & Jaymes confused with the two cranberry farmers standing out in the marsh in their hip-waders	[02:30]
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mircea_popescu	everything in the ruby world is abandonware << everything in the webworld is abandonware.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	brace yourself for THAT discovery.	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: Maybe that is the point of the exercise. Everything one could want to know about "marketing" can be learned from Modern Drunkard.	[02:31]
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unbalanced	I will be sure to leave branded empties near schoolyards like the Gallo salesment.	[02:33]
BingoBoingo	!up arvicco	[02:34]
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asciilifeform	'bitwork' << see also 'mechanical turk'	[02:35]
asciilifeform	(yes, named for the chess 'machine')	[02:35]
asciilifeform	it is, afaik, unique for one thing - being a haven of sp4mz0rz on both sides of the equation	[02:35]
asciilifeform	that is, most if not all of the jobs, last i checked, pertained to spam	[02:35]
unbalanced	Yes, I remember when Amazon came out with theirs, I read that story...	[02:35]
asciilifeform	but quite likely most of the 'workers' are also (secretly) bots.	[02:36]
unbalanced	(about the magical machine)	[02:36]
asciilifeform	ok i have no idea about others, but all of -mine- were bots, lol	[02:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00041502 = 5.748 BTC [+]	[02:37]
unbalanced	Heh. For data coding I think I'd have to limit use to trusted/trained users... hence my child labor crack.	[02:38]
unbalanced	We'll whip up a few pages where a few seniors and students can tap big colourful rectangles to make their selections.	[02:38]
unbalanced	Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along.	[02:38]
unbalanced	Steve Jobs is training the work force of the future, who knew?	[02:39]
unbalanced	Tap and flick your way to a food pellet and a little more water in your dish!	[02:39]
asciilifeform	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg	[02:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zywFMk )	[02:39]
asciilifeform	^ 'workforce'	[02:39]
ben_vulpes	there's a particularly good sci fi story about people who lease their wetware out during the day, are monitored for minute reactions.	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	Twerkforce!!!	[02:40]
ben_vulpes	damned if i can remember it.	[02:40]
unbalanced	That's a lot of electricity for a Chinese prison.	[02:40]
[]bot	Bet placed: 13.12 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 23.34534479 BTC. Current weight: 91,074.	[02:41]
asciilifeform	gurlfarm	[02:41]
ben_vulpes	bitbet volume up this month?	[02:41]
unbalanced	Careful asciilifeform she's probably watching us right now.	[02:42]
unbalanced	Did I see a bitbet.py somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat.	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	Megalol >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2ws5jn/should_i_dox_myself_for_3/	[02:43]
assbot	Should I dox myself for $3? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/18fsqic )	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: The classical bitbet.py is useful	[02:43]
ben_vulpes	okay i lost a weekend to ruby dependency hell	[02:45]
ben_vulpes	can i say something dramatic yet?	[02:45]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: how'd ya like to lose a week to http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c?annotate=1.34&only_with_tag=MAIN	[02:46]
assbot	src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c - annotate - 1.34 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyxapO )	[02:46]
*	BingoBoingo is still convinced NetBSD is a largely Jap fascination much like tentacle porn	[02:48]
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BingoBoingo	!up unbalanced	[02:50]
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*	BingoBoingo seriously though NEtBSD was for people who wanted sudo on their toasters	[02:50]
asciilifeform	on dead squirrels	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	That too.	[02:51]
asciilifeform	toaster - luxury, can run freebsd	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	I mean... Borked SATA drivers???	[02:51]
asciilifeform	borked on marvell	[02:51]
asciilifeform	and, supposedly, only for certain drives	[02:52]
asciilifeform	but happens to include all the ones i could find here	[02:52]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[02:52]
BingoBoingo	Building bitcoin-qt through an exercise that largely involved deleting makes me wonder what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting code	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	muntz on, good sir.	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	I'm thinking "Midori" web browser might be a next candidate	[02:54]
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*	BingoBoingo offers "midori" web browser particularly because all C	[02:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041675 = 8.1266 BTC [+] {2}	[02:57]
asciilifeform	what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting << kernels	[02:57]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Exactly. I'm just now discovering the power of the delete key and like a toddler want to use it on everything.	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	http://www.returnofkings.com/16637/negative-hiv-tests-for-sale?ModPagespeed=noscript	[02:59]
assbot	Negative HIV Tests For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyyrNE )	[02:59]
asciilifeform	wat	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	RC4, delete; NTFS, delete;	[03:00]
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BingoBoingo	sshd, delete	[03:02]
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BingoBoingo	!up dgeats	[03:03]
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cazalla	lol http://google.com.vn/	[03:04]
assbot	Google ... ( http://bit.ly/18fth2C )	[03:04]
asciilifeform	cazalla: what of it	[03:04]
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cazalla	ah maybe i am getting cached ver, someone elses ss http://i.imgur.com/wMScgY6.png	[03:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/18ftliA )	[03:05]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Yeah, I saw boring google, bot lulzfest you screencapped	[03:06]
cazalla	not my screencap but i still see it	[03:06]
BingoBoingo	You know copyrastas got too much power when people want to price gouge antihelminthics http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/02/20/more_price_hikes_on_obscure_medication.php	[03:08]
assbot	More Price Hikes on Obscure Medication. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zyzbST )	[03:08]
asciilifeform	^ 'intellectual property' in one paragraph.	[03:09]
asciilifeform	'If Shkreli acquires Biltricide from Bayer, he plans to raise the price of the drug to $100,000 for a single-day course of treatment, according to people briefed on Turing's business plans. No other changes or improvements to the drug will be made by Turing. The extra revenue generated by Biltricide is expected to earn Turing a fast profit for its investors and help defray the cost of developing other, experimental drugs, sour	[03:09]
asciilifeform	ces said.'	[03:09]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Best part is people who generally need antihelminthics... generally could not afford "aspirin"	[03:10]
asciilifeform	target market is presumably wealthy usian tourists to the turd world	[03:11]
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asciilifeform	who manage to get very, very lucky	[03:11]
BingoBoingo	lol	[03:11]
cazalla	what a fucking other fucker.. just chipped my front tooth after only having it fixed like a month ago	[03:11]
cazalla	mother fucker even	[03:11]
asciilifeform	i bet it costs less to have all the shareholders shot in the head	[03:12]
asciilifeform	than what the patients, collectively, might pay for the product.	[03:12]
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BingoBoingo	cazalla: Welcome to the wonderful world of ceramics	[03:12]
*	BingoBoingo finds it amazing that maximally empowered copyrastas would have te rest of humanity die by worms	[03:15]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[03:15]
asciilifeform	the 100k fella didn't mention funding worm spread	[03:16]
asciilifeform	but it seems like logical next step.	[03:16]
asciilifeform	to maximize investor returns!	[03:16]
BingoBoingo	No need to fund worm spread. Spread well enough on their own	[03:17]
asciilifeform	whether 'on their own' is 'well enough' is for the shareholders to decide.	[03:18]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, black people sorta ruined gold teeth didn't they?	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	Only necessary ingredient is pricing drug out of veterinary practice	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Mercury amalgam is still a thing	[03:18]
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cazalla	BingoBoingo, that'd still look like i had bling done	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	Maybe?	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	Aesthetics can only put up so much of a fight against engineering	[03:25]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: you at least understand the toolchain with which you grapple.	[03:25]
cazalla	i don't wanna live in a world where i have to bling up my front teeth just to eat a peach without chipping a tooth	[03:26]
asciilifeform	mercifully little there is of it	[03:26]
cazalla	i'd claim shoddy work but the crown this guy did, never had an issue	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: You have to understand replacement material involve necessary compromise	[03:27]
asciilifeform	http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/BelsenIncident.html << historical interest	[03:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zyBplh )	[03:31]
cazalla	food needs to adjust to fit the way my teeth see the world BingoBoingo	[03:31]
asciilifeform	re: solzhenitsyn's axe theorem	[03:31]
asciilifeform	incidentally modern jailers learned from this and other historical lulz	[03:33]
asciilifeform	they do not wear sidearms inside the 'wire'.	[03:33]
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BingoBoingo	And yet USia's jailing class plagiarizes their German predecessors without attribution	[03:38]
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BingoBoingo	cazalla: Once you need fillings in "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural" and the dentist's annuity	[03:40]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: plagiarizes - lol. where in the world were the first modern gassings? not germany	[03:40]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The gassing are not the plagiarism. The humane safety aspects are.	[03:41]
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BingoBoingo	"No firearms in the zoo" was a very German reform	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	Oh, return of kink has a rough gem http://www.returnofkings.com/1977/france-is-in-big-trouble	[03:47]
assbot	France Is In Big Trouble ... ( http://bit.ly/1BaYujR )	[03:47]
asciilifeform	'In all of the discussions, Höss is quite matter-of-fact and apathetic, shows some belated interest in the enormity of his crime, but gives the impression that it never would have occurred to him if somebody hadn’t asked him. There is too much apathy to leave any suggestion of remorse and even the prospect of hanging does not unduly stress him. One gets the general impression of a man who is intellectually normal, but with	[03:49]
asciilifeform	the schizoid apathy, insensitivity and lack of empathy that could hardly be more extreme in a frank psychotic' << could be a description of virtually any	[03:49]
asciilifeform	any 'plum book' usg	[03:49]
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BingoBoingo	Related http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/22/thousands-of-inmates-to-be-transferred-after-unrest-at-texas-prison	[03:56]
assbot	Thousands of inmates to be transferred after unrest at Texas prison \| US news \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bb1hd3 )	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	"The inmates broke out of their housing structures and converged in the recreation yard, setting fire to several kevlar domes, or tents, that serve as prison housing, the paper said."	[03:57]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'kevlar' isn't flammable per se...	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Plenty flame-abru in practice	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	Hydrocarbon and flourocarbon polymers break down into their more flamable constituents	[04:00]
*	BingoBoingo wonders if maybe he should have watched the oscars if it inspired this much butthurt this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/02/23/oscars_best_picture_winner_birdman_boyhood_snub_is_the_academy_s_worst_mistake.html	[04:01]
assbot	Oscars best picture winner Birdman: Boyhood snub is the Academy’s worst mistake in 20 years. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AAy7Av )	[04:01]
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ben_vulpes	ahaha and then ruby ecosystem just falls over en masse without libreadline6-dev on the machine. no warnings at compile or until i go to actually run this hellspawn rails app	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: You know... sbcl is available nearly everywhere...	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	Why OpenBSD dev's hate FreeBSD devs https://twitter.com/MiodVallat/status/569753224179261440	[04:23]
assbot	/hashtag/Kamailio?src=hash and /hashtag/LibreSSL?src=hash does not play together. Problems with CRYPTO_set_mem_functions	[04:23]
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BingoBoingo	!up sergiohlb	[04:34]
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sergiohlb	thank you	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	yOU'RE WELCOME	[04:36]
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mircea_popescu	unbalanced: Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along. << there's something fundamentally naive about one imagining he can extract useful work out of an assemblage of idiots.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that site with the idiotic "from around the web" "weird tricks" etc spam	[04:55]
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mircea_popescu	re "100k/dose" : praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth. everyone'll just use the indian version and that's that.	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	let us bezzle outbezzle itself to all fuck.	[04:57]
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Adlai	"praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth." << easiest way to get accurate info on the internet is to spew nonsense and wait to be corrected? :P	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	which part dja have trouble with ?	[05:01]
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mircea_popescu	it's about 50yo you know.	[05:04]
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Adlai	that has zero relevance to ease of synthesis	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	...	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	what do you think happened in the past half century, chemistry got HARDER ?	[05:07]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re the jew thing : so ho got her man. rest of the "respectable" cunts, ineffectual as all "respectable" cunts.	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	nothing new under the sun.	[05:15]
cazalla	anyone else seen qntra as #2 on hackernews atm?	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	yup	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	nice going bb.	[05:22]
cazalla	https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd	[05:22]
assbot	qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1vrw16V )	[05:22]
ben_vulpes	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9093147 << sure thing shill	[05:23]
assbot	But that's entirely because they have to comply with federal law, not because th... \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vrw56L )	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	break a bad law rather than comply with it.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	"have to" my foot.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	"all the other guys were fucking her, I had to rape her a little too!!1 "	[05:24]
ben_vulpes	can't win for losing	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	the fucking shrem defense. "i'm not an asshole, i just had to behave like one. but my real me is still intact! i'm a narcissist, my actions don't describe me!"	[05:25]
ben_vulpes	shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima. play with the feds: get exiled. exile yourself from the us, wither on the vine of unprofitability.	[05:26]
ben_vulpes	makes me wonder what those of us desperately milking the bezzle of what drops it yields will be castigated with.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	the choices that all suck	[05:26]
ben_vulpes	show me some that don't, eh?	[05:26]
ben_vulpes	it's war, there's no winning.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	i'm only showing alf, he's got the ip on iot.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima << who was this ?	[05:27]
ben_vulpes	you wrote about him at one point.	[05:27]
ben_vulpes	recently, i might add.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	that narrows it down...	[05:28]
ben_vulpes	well i can't find it.	[05:32]
ben_vulpes	some bitcointalk.org person who shuttered their own operation preemptively.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	you don't mean the gerald davis / death&taxes guy ?	[05:33]
ben_vulpes	wasn't he just wrong?	[05:33]
ben_vulpes	ah no	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	a year ago ?	[05:34]
ben_vulpes	i am simply low on brain and reading comprehension this evening.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	i don't give a shit some dude shutters his business	[05:34]
*	ben_vulpes rereads the article in question	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	but if he comes back 18 months later as an expert witness on the shithead parade...	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	he's going to get asked a few hard questions. such as, "who the fuck is paying your bills."	[05:34]
ben_vulpes	i see, i see.	[05:36]
ben_vulpes	(little, late and only with others' light)	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	note that he's actually not answered it, either.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	went in without a plan. rather typical of the entirely fucktarded level of these people lately.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	"nobody could have foreseen we'd get asked questions..."	[05:37]
ben_vulpes	while i'm up and it's quiet, what is the point of this new 'license' of yours?	[05:39]
ben_vulpes	on the face of it (and granted, i'm tired and slow), it seems this license would only ever prevent folks from using anything so licensed.	[05:40]
*	ben_vulpes rereads again	[05:40]
ben_vulpes	is it one of those "virulent" licenses? that nominally made things into which their licensed source was rolled also "open" source?	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	it just makes it impossible for fiat businesses to use any of our software.	[05:42]
ben_vulpes	more software. just what the world needs.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	it's just a logical gate is all.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	only allows flow one way.	[05:45]
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mats	http://imgur.com/9otHhB7	[11:58]
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BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/vEpz9Kz.gif	[12:00]
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mircea_popescu	"i am a white male" orly.	[12:02]
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Adlai	3rd ¶ reeks of lamarckism	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	ahaha young father, is 27.	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	what the shit.	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	ima use this thing as a teaching aid.	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	wait, wants to impregnate woman next month ?	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	wtf is wrong with people.	[12:06]
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nubbins`	or 13 months from now	[12:07]
nubbins`	but by then he'll be 28	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	nono he doesn't want to wait a full year	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	besides by then dota 5 will be out	[12:08]
nubbins`	this TLP blog is fun to read but i feel like reading it makes me feel like i understand things better than i actually do	[12:08]
nubbins`	dota 5? /me cuts off dick, throws in trash	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	don't get drastic nubbins`	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	your dick can have middle lane.	[12:09]
nubbins`	better middle lane than middling pain	[12:10]
nubbins`	oh, here's one about women wearing makeup	[12:10]
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mircea_popescu	you know back before the world went nuts, my mother was in the maternity ward about to deliver me, as a 22 yo college grad.	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	with her, a 17yo and a 18yo	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	doctor berated her for "waiting so long!"	[12:11]
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nubbins`	22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less	[12:12]
nubbins`	"i'm taking a year to find myself"	[12:12]
nubbins`	"i'm doing __ for my gap year"	[12:12]
nubbins`	^ why not just be honest to yourself ;/	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	ya srsly.	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	it was fucking shameful then to not have a degree by 22.	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, my dad was 23 (army). and nofcuking body thought this is young.	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	everyone thought this is werdly late, but fucken intellectuals, nutty.	[12:13]
nubbins`	i'm not sure what romania was like in the late 70s but i feel like the average age of post-secondary graduation directly correlates to how soft things are in that place	[12:15]
ben_vulpes	cuz you liked teh woman, foo. << i see this coming	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` let me put it this way : romania had mandatory universal male draft.	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	9 months IF you went to college. 15 otherwise.	[12:16]
nubbins`	heh	[12:17]
nubbins`	a lot can happen in 6 months in the armed forces	[12:17]
nubbins`	second-best korea still has this, btw	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	like what, derpy dude gets weaned ?	[12:17]
nubbins`	i think it's two years tho	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	many countries still do, esp in the east of russia.	[12:17]
nubbins`	upside of this is that every korean male, at least ostensibly, earned a blackbelt in taekwondo	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	i don't believe it's a bad idea. if shiva tasked me with fixing west, it's one of the first things i'd do.	[12:18]
nubbins`	but, y'know. "earned".	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	fail that, castration.	[12:18]
nubbins`	a universal draft would fix the west?	[12:18]
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nubbins`	wait, no, i see it	[12:18]
nubbins`	wasn't looking ahead far enough 8)	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` 9 months with gunnery sargeant hartman, on the understanding that if you fail you get your balls chopped off and spend the rest of your life = the next few years chained to a wall in a brothel for arab fags.	[12:19]
nubbins`	see, thing is	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile teh girls can learn useful lyf skills. http://33.media.tumblr.com/66bf2bc1ffec28419c2963ad2ff6f001/tumblr_ngxp86d8to1rdc5oto1_400.gif	[12:20]
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nubbins`	once everyone's in the military, they gotta /do something/ with all these soldiers!	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	paint rocks.	[12:20]
nubbins`	too passive	[12:20]
danielpbarron	have you played dota or just heard of it?	[12:20]
nubbins`	i think it's a video game	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	romania had universal draft for a century, never started a war.	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i just heard of it.	[12:20]
nubbins`	romania was a different brand of retarded	[12:20]
nubbins`	you think if the american military suddenly is awash in bodies, they won't start sending them places for the sake of doing it?	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	but i think it's the one derived from old warcraft 2, except you get a single hero and no "resources" per se, get wood/gold to level them by killing npcs	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i'd be running things, not fucking dod.	[12:21]
Adlai	"paint rocks." << there's this idf saying: "if it moves, salute it; if it doesn't, pick it up; if you can't, paint it"	[12:21]
nubbins`	wood? sounds like die siedler von catan	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	i'd have them handpicking cotton if it comes to it.	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i meant "resources" as in warcraft2. whatever, vespene gas and the othe rone	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	i think in dota it's "gold" and "experience"	[12:22]
*	nubbins` shrugs helplessly	[12:22]
danielpbarron	pretty much, except it was warcraft3 (some might say it started in starcraft as Aeon of Strife)	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	Adlai sounds bout right.	[12:22]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu you most certainly wouldn't. you'd have them fighting overseas!	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	no i wouldn't.	[12:23]
nubbins`	i'm talking about the "you" that doesn't exist, but in this alternate world where you'd be ostensibly an american in charge of american troops	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local	[12:24]
nubbins`	o look	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	either do it right or don't do it.	[12:24]
mike_c	machiavelli would say that obama should go live there awhile.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	hey, i wouldn't have any problem living with these dudes.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	it's the New Whiner York that i don't care for.	[12:25]
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asciilifeform	traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies there despite the mega-curative 1yr painting grass green	[12:26]
mike_c	he said when you conquer, the prince has got to go live there to make the locals happy. and it sounds right to me.	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nevertheless.	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	imagine, you sign up for the military, you get the guarantee that you'll be pushing shit uphill for a coupla decades, then when you're fortysomething you get a farm and an ethnic bride.	[12:27]
mike_c	worked for rome	[12:27]
asciilifeform	civis romanus sum!	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	"army'll make men out of you. dead or alive - that's up to you."	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	new slogan.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	none of this "army of one" narcisiac bs.	[12:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that one was actually cancelled	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	not FPS enough ?	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	is it "army of just you" now ?	[12:28]
asciilifeform	iirc the last one i saw was 'be all you can be'	[12:28]
mike_c	be all you can be was before army of one as far as i remember	[12:29]
asciilifeform	then dunno	[12:29]
mike_c	"army strong" is current	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	aww, they missed out on the obvious neuroticism ? "be all you can be. and more." ???	[12:29]
mike_c	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogans_of_the_United_States_Army	[12:29]
assbot	Slogans of the United States Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnwFmn )	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	mike_c apparently reading comprehension on the downtrend huh ?	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	maybe next is "Nice. Good."	[12:29]
mike_c	army gud 4 u	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	gud4u, gud4me!	[12:30]
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nubbins`	i thought boston was strong	[12:30]
nubbins`	the army is too?	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	boston took over.	[12:30]
*	nubbins` counts bombs	[12:30]
nubbins`	hmmm	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	they're not even allowing those wisconsin and indiana poofters in.	[12:30]
asciilifeform	i occasionally dig into vintage u.s. newspapers, magazines. interestingly, army ads from the '50s-'60s dwell on the 'sharp look' of the uniform.	[12:31]
asciilifeform	'be sharp, look sharp'	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well, that was calculated. what happened in 1945-49 ?	[12:31]
nubbins`	^ my dad was married in his (canadian) coast guard uniform	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	all the kids that were 10 then musta noticed the flurry of panties	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	so... gotta sell it.	[12:31]
nubbins`	sure	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what's that like, elk horn hat, maple syrup pants ?	[12:32]
nubbins`	heh.	[12:32]
asciilifeform	it's almost a wonder that 18th c. 'gussar' uniforms didn't make a comeback	[12:32]
asciilifeform	complete with hat	[12:32]
nubbins`	double-button jacket w/ gold trim on the cuffs	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform honestly, you could make some pretty epic uniforms for the drone flying division	[12:32]
nubbins`	epaulettes too, i guess	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	they're indoors anyway	[12:32]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: precisely	[12:32]
asciilifeform	they really ought to wear their napoleonic best	[12:32]
nubbins`	well, looking like a slob was a lot less acceptable in the 50s-60s too	[12:33]
nubbins`	it's almost expected now	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies << yes. but they're pathologies rather than the fucking core.	[12:33]
asciilifeform	when i worked for (not in, must note) u.s. army, the thing that always got me was the pixellation on their camos	[12:34]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: 22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less << took me 7 years to get through GATech. Failed Calculus like 9 times.	[12:34]
asciilifeform	everyone looked like the weakest monster from 'doom'	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! you can only target particular proteins, which coke is not.	[12:35]
asciilifeform	also the notion of deploying immune reaction against small molecule...	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mooks lol	[12:35]
asciilifeform	srsly pixels	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	cheaper.	[12:36]
asciilifeform	big enough to see from musketry range	[12:36]
*	assbot gives voice to PeterL	[12:36]
asciilifeform	i caught myself wondering if it was designed in 'ms paint'	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	how often would you say an us army / marine / etc fights within visual range of anything that'd even remotely qualify as an enemy ?	[12:37]
PeterL	creating immune response to small molecules would be hard to controll, you would just end up allergic to everything	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	such as i dunno, a bush an enemy pissed on sometime this week	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	PeterL fortunately body's smarter than you, won't take.	[12:38]
*	asciilifeform read up on the cocaine vaccine thing. will note that even if it works as claimed (no blood-brain barrier penetration) - the net effect, if everybody were injected, is simply to multiply the standard dose of coke for man by 1.5x or so	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030406 << look at that, marketwatch is reading last year's b-a logs	[12:38]
assbot	Logged on 23-02-2015 13:00:01; punkman: " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only” 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	"So far, the arguments against it seem to have been "major numebr	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	should go with a major new feature or breaking of compatibility",	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	which just shows how little people know. We don't break compatibility,	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	and we haven't done feature-based releases since basically forever."	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	gotta love torvalds lol	[12:40]
nubbins`	asciilifeform so the cocaine sold in usa would now have to be 30-40% pure instead of 20%?	[12:40]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: aha	[12:40]
nubbins`	that's gonna hit the glucosamine suppliers where it hurts.	[12:40]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: the coke 'barons' would be the first to push for 'vaccine' if it had any threat of working	[12:41]
nubbins`	(phun phact, gym rats like coke and weighlifting supplements are invariably white powders)	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	i guess i will annoy everyone if i say i'm not particularly fond of coke ?	[12:42]
*	asciilifeform hasn't used it, cannot say if fond or not	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is the point of living in wash dc	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	srsly now.	[12:43]
nubbins`	also have never tried coke	[12:43]
nubbins`	i like things way too much to justify trying it	[12:43]
nubbins`	besides, i definitely do not want to snort weightlifting supplements	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	i don't think you can confuse cocaine with anything else.	[12:44]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i think he're referring to the dilutants	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	so buy it clean cut it with sugar.	[12:45]
asciilifeform	iirc this is not usually possible in small quantity	[12:46]
asciilifeform	sorta like asking to have -one- aluminum cd pressed.	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	eh get out. they won't tell you this, but a good half of the captured stuff - on the street - is actually pure.	[12:47]
nubbins`	"so buy it clean" o.O	[12:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: captured from dealers	[12:47]
nubbins`	^	[12:47]
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mircea_popescu	"dealers" doesn't mean what it used to mean 30 years ago.	[12:47]
asciilifeform	it is, as i understand, a severe taboo among them, to sell it undiluted	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	people are so fucking poor now a bag qualifies you as a wholesaler.	[12:47]
nubbins`	someone who isn't me has witnessed dealers receive new shipment, open bag, set several spoonfuls aside for sef, then dump 8-10 tbsp of random white in there	[12:47]
nubbins`	*self	[12:48]
nubbins`	if pure cocaine was sold here, people would overdose	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` pure is the safest by far.	[12:48]
asciilifeform	i suppose if you have any schooling whatsoever, you can recrystallize it if you want	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	otherwise you accidentally hit a 50% as if it were a 20% and bam	[12:48]
nubbins`	asciilifeform you don't need schooling to make crack	[12:48]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu pure being the only thing around is safest, sure.	[12:49]
nubbins`	but dealers care less about safe and more about $$	[12:49]
asciilifeform	recrystallize != use it as crystal	[12:49]
asciilifeform	necessarily	[12:49]
nubbins`	do you think that guy even googled "can you snort glucosamine" before cutting his stash?	[12:49]
nubbins`	because i know for a fact that he didn't	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag and dumb ho hitting it as if it were the stuff she normally gets in clubs	[12:49]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu that was actually a bag of white heroin :D	[12:49]
nubbins`	that the girl snorted as coke	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	o it was ?	[12:50]
nubbins`	ya	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah right, cause he was shooting it up yeah	[12:50]
nubbins`	hence her heart stopping, 3 stabs to chest, etc	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	right	[12:50]
nubbins`	("no! you only stab her once!")	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	that was so fucking stupiod.	[12:50]
nubbins`	but for srs, people have heart attacks on coke all the time	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	what was that needle made out of, neutronium ?	[12:50]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracardiac_injection	[12:51]
assbot	Intracardiac injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AnD40P )	[12:51]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: folks also have heart attacks in exercise, in the shitter, while shovelling dirt, etc.	[12:51]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: now imagine today's exercise/shit/dirt pile is at 100% (or even 80%) strength instead of 20%	[12:52]
nubbins`	but it looks the same	[12:52]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: well yes	[12:52]
nubbins`	:D	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow.	[12:52]
nubbins`	this is why the purity of coke will not rise	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	goes back inside, warmth, poof.	[12:52]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: opiate users typically od, paradoxically, after successfully quitting and then doing a bit again 'for old time's sake'	[12:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00039322 = 1.4942 BTC [-] {2}	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	^	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	but that's heroin.	[12:52]
nubbins`	asciilifeform some of my favourite musicians died this way	[12:52]
asciilifeform	they take their customary dose, having lost the tolerance	[12:53]
nubbins`	bradley nowell, 1996, 7 days after marriage	[12:53]
asciilifeform	aha this is specific to opium	[12:53]
asciilifeform	e.g, death of vysotsky	[12:53]
thestringpuller	$bids mpoe	[12:53]
thestringpuller	ah	[12:53]
nubbins`	opiate users can reach terrifically high levels of tolerance	[12:53]
nubbins`	to the point where a dose lethal in another man will maybe stop their headache.	[12:53]
asciilifeform	lethal in elephant	[12:54]
*	nubbins` pulls out remaining stops	[12:54]
nubbins`	lethal in elephant!	[12:54]
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nubbins`	anyway, worth noting that most recording musicians who tried heroin produced some of their best work while in the depths	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	anyway, clean gets you rid of all the stupid shit, anti worm medicine, drywall, w/e the fuck	[12:55]
nubbins`	^	[12:55]
nubbins`	reminds me of the time SWIM bought some adulterated marijuana	[12:55]
nubbins`	(not kidding)	[12:55]
asciilifeform	i've always wondered why american dope aficionados don't follow the 1980s soviet example and all switch to making (or at least refining) what they use personally	[12:56]
nubbins`	y'know how good dope has that covered-in-crystal look from all the resin-y trichomes?	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of which... everyone i suppose is familiar with the otherworldly beauty of potassium permanganate ?	[12:56]
asciilifeform	(the first popular dope in ussr was what is today called meth, but there was no market in the usual sense. folks who took it, usually made it)	[12:56]
nubbins`	well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline...	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform got as better question for you. why do us dumb broads not switch to cooking at home ?	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	"oh, its a recession" "learned how to cook yet ?" "wut?!?!?!"	[12:56]
nubbins`	asciilifeform lack of skill.	[12:56]
nubbins`	asciilifeform:	[12:56]
nubbins`	;;google krokodil	[12:56]
gribble	Krokodil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Krokodil (Desomorphine) Drug: Effects, Abuse & Warnings - Drugs ...: ; The World's Deadliest Drug: Inside a Krokodil Cookhouse \| TIME:	[12:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: no idea. the woman - cooks	[12:57]
nubbins`	that's what they're cooking at home these days	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah but you two aren't really people. you're in here.	[12:57]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: when opiates took off, the approach failed	[12:57]
nubbins`	no krokodil here, too many prescription opiates to abuse	[12:57]
nubbins`	until they took oxycontin off the market	[12:58]
nubbins`	and all the addicts just vanished	[12:58]
asciilifeform	not because harder to synthesize, but because not a performance-enhancer that sets one going strong in the kitchen thinking of new methods	[12:58]
nubbins`	OH WAIT THEY DIDN'T	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	is this krokodil thing actually as widely used as teh "horrors in russia" ussa press makes it sound /	[12:58]
nubbins`	heh	[12:58]
nubbins`	opiates are definitely not a production-enhancer	[12:58]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu seems like meth in the usa -- cheap, so poor destitute people in poor destitute towns love it	[12:59]
nubbins`	there's a short Vice documentary on it, if you can stand to watch	[12:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: my impression is that it isn't. just a very marginal synthesis with the byproducts left in, with various grotesque 'zombie' aesthetic of decaying user. makes up in sensationalism for what lacks in actual 'epidemiology.'	[12:59]
nubbins`	;;google vice krokodil	[12:59]
gribble	Siberia: Krokodil Tears \| VICE \| United States: ; Siberia: Krokodil Tears \| VICE \| United States: ; Krokodil: Russia's Deadliest Drug (NSFW) - YouTube:	[12:59]
nubbins`	^	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah i totally want to hear what vice has to say o.O	[12:59]
nubbins`	heh.	[12:59]
nubbins`	thye show people cooking it!	[12:59]
asciilifeform	fact is, every modern product 'for the poor' is a kind of krokodil	[12:59]
nubbins`	"now we add the eye drops" "why?" "makes it stronger"	[13:00]
nubbins`	...	[13:00]
nubbins`	"now we collapse a major vein in our arms"	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	"why ? "	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	"makes it stronger"	[13:01]
nubbins`	heh	[13:01]
nubbins`	anyway, as actually derpy as everything Vice produces is	[13:01]
asciilifeform	'stronger', if means anything, probably meant 'burns more when injected'	[13:02]
nubbins`	the krokodil doc is gross enough to distract from it	[13:02]
nubbins`	asciilifeform definitely was not an ingredient in the reaction they were trying to make occur.	[13:02]
nubbins`	something along the lines of the "chili powder" meth in breaking bad	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	"So what the hell do we buy now? HP's quality has hit rock bottom and is starting to dig, Lenovo is doing their best to destroy the Thinkpad brand, Asus is incapable of making a device without at least one fatal flaw... is Apple the only one making laptops that aren't garbage anymroe?"	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	methinks the consumer has a legitimate question	[13:02]
nubbins`	except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	"what should i get for this weekend, meth or krok ?!~?!?!"	[13:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: to which there is no answer	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	not for him anyway.	[13:03]
asciilifeform	or rather, the answer from the film 'war games'	[13:03]
BingoBoingo	except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream << Sometimes actually used in this manner	[13:03]
asciilifeform	'the only winning move is: not to play'	[13:03]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo :0 i guess the chili powder will work about as well as the eyedrops, then	[13:03]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[13:03]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 235.82, Best ask: 236.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.72000, Last trade: 236.57, 24 hour volume: 7044.67533017, 24 hour low: 232.05, 24 hour high: 238.87, 24 hour vwap: 235.887385513	[13:03]
asciilifeform	the basic concept, as PeterL (chemist?) will attest, is that a synthesis doesn't necessarily (and most often) produce only one thing. each step will result in one or more unwanted substances, including everything that failed to react in previous steps	[13:04]
asciilifeform	some of the costliest operations in traditional pharma industry are recrystallizations/purifications	[13:04]
asciilifeform	hence for every type of -synthetic- (vs. refined from vegetation) dope, there is at least one 'krokodilian' variant where the folks making it didn't see it fit to bother with this detail.	[13:05]
chetty	and todays propaganda prize goes to: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/revealed-the-countries-with-the-best-and-worst-diets-in-the-world-10057363.html	[13:05]
assbot	Revealed: the countries with the best and worst diets in the world - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent	[13:05]
asciilifeform	(anybody else here take o-chem in school... other than PeterL and i)	[13:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7589 @ 0.00039394 = 2.9896 BTC [+]	[13:06]
BingoBoingo	Took a semester of o-chem in highschool	[13:07]
nubbins`	asciilifeform when i was in colombia, there was a byproduct called "bazouk" or similar	[13:07]
nubbins`	made from leavings of the coca process	[13:07]
asciilifeform	aha refinement waste, yes, also exists	[13:07]
nubbins`	colombia 7/10 would not revisit	[13:08]
PeterL	sometimes for o-chem reaction a 40% yield is a good day	[13:08]
asciilifeform	and not only for dope. in usa restaurants have been selling 'fashionable' multi-grain bread. which i fully expect is made from shavings of cutting other kinds of bread at the bakeries	[13:08]
BingoBoingo	chetty: Mega lol, Africa wins nutrition	[13:08]
nubbins`	heh.	[13:08]
asciilifeform	PeterL: 40% is a dream for 'cellar chemists'	[13:08]
nubbins`	betcha they use white flour with a handful of other grains mixed in	[13:09]
asciilifeform	who lack Pd/Pt catalysts, high-pressure vessels, even a proper vacuum	[13:09]
asciilifeform	and hence are more or less stuck with 1840s state of the art	[13:09]
*	nubbins` adds wheat germ, crushed flax, hempseed, rolled oats to bread	[13:09]
nubbins`	and it costs 20% of what store-bought devitaminized bread does!	[13:10]
PeterL	on some multi-step reactions, think 50% yield 4 times, and you are lucky to have 6% of what you started with	[13:10]
asciilifeform	aha	[13:10]
PeterL	alot of what I was doing the past 3 years involved trying to get %yields higher	[13:11]
asciilifeform	and the remaining filling in the flask, hasn't gone anywhere, but has to be removed somehow.	[13:11]
asciilifeform	this is what the clandestine chemists don't always bother with.	[13:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32898 @ 0.0004124 = 13.5671 BTC [+]	[13:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11178 @ 0.0004124 = 4.6098 BTC [+]	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> (anybody else here take o-chem in school << originally, 9yo me despised ochem, because no great flames like sulphur \| potassium chloride etc.	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	then me discovered nitropaper.	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	chetty so who has best diet ? japan ?	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	"Regarding the VCs, I would give them the benefit of the doubt as well. What where they pitched?"	[13:41]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The list is all African countries.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker, why does everyone want to indemnify the vcs ? they're absolutely the only guilty party in all this.	[13:42]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: i have elementary knowledge of O-Chem. I love dat ATP Synthase (but who doesn't?)	[13:42]
BingoBoingo	The countries with the healthiest diets overall were: 1. Chad 2. Sierra Leone 3. Mali 4. Gambia 5. Uganda 6. Ghana 7. Ivory Coast 8. Senegal 9. Israel 10. Somalia	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	eh gtfo.	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	what was this based on, "Fewest fat fucks" ?	[13:44]
BingoBoingo	Prolly	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	"The most reliable street test in my opinion is actually the smell of cocaine, as it has a very distinct aroma that none of the additives possess. Unfortunately, for reference, this requires you to have smelt a lot of different cocaine of certain purities, and very few people have had that opportunity. Personally, I think I could estimate cocaine purity from its scent and from looking at and tasting a few milligrams, b	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	ut I’ve also handled quite a lot of different batches with known purities."	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	heh. known since forever.	[13:45]
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mircea_popescu	and in the daily wtf : http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c2d7566582a69867da0b68c13787462/tumblr_ngsc6rN6OV1ty4fj6o1_500.gif	[13:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1AClSDq )	[13:53]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/coujwz2	[13:56]
assbot	Netzapper comments on The Superfish Funder List ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACmDwh )	[13:56]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu> actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag << pulp fiction doesn't "revolve around" anything -- kinda the point	[13:58]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu> asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow. << LOL i just did such a thing / felt like i was gonna have a heart attack :/	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	it's dangerous. cool temperatures favor clot formation	[13:58]
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cjc	BingoBoingo, thanks for the !up	[14:02]
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thestringpuller	danielpbarron: re Pulp Fiction << revolves around that suitcase mainly, cept for "interlude of chick OD'ing"	[14:17]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: i still have nightmares about that butt rape scene.	[14:18]
thestringpuller	"Are you okay?" "Nah man." "I'm pretty fucking far from okay."	[14:18]
danielpbarron	Mr. About-to-spend-the-rest-of-his-short-life-in-agonizing-pain	[14:19]
danielpbarron	i wouldn't say it revolves around the suitcase	[14:19]
danielpbarron	the suitcase doesn't have much to do with the fixed boxing match	[14:20]
danielpbarron	i suppose all the different plots relate to marcellus wallace	[14:20]
thestringpuller	yea that interlude is only connected after jules retires and delivers the suitcase	[14:21]
danielpbarron	(the guy who gets butt raped)	[14:21]
thestringpuller	Yea I mean Wallace gets butt raped after he retrieves the suitcase. If that has any significance...I dunno	[14:21]
thestringpuller	"does he look like a bitch", well zed fucked him like one. Zed's dead, but you know...	[14:22]
danielpbarron	hah	[14:22]
cjc	There is fixation with ass there... the story of the watch is another one.	[14:23]
thestringpuller	oh christopher walken	[14:23]
thestringpuller	you guise are making me miss the 90's	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	yeah, pulp fiction revolves around tarantino's latent homosexuality.	[14:29]
cjc	One of the problems with the 90s was... when I bought Pulp Fiction as the first DVD I purchased ever... it was in letterbox format.	[14:29]
cjc	I had to wait several more years for it to be in high-def on home video.	[14:29]
punkman	mircea_popescu: punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! << nuh uh I went to school and even paid attention sometimes!	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	well can you name any tropane alkaloid that has an immune response associated ?	[14:31]
punkman	nope	[14:31]
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mircea_popescu	by far the vast majority of immune response is to proteins. the difference is about two degrees of magnitude in molecular weight.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	some immune response is to an assortment of polysaccharids etc, but still.	[14:32]
punkman	(one of the cocaine vaccines uses big cholera protein to deliver cocaine molecule)	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	http://protcalc.sourceforge.net/ << this is pretty neat too.	[14:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/17r4A1W )	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3738214/ this one ?	[14:35]
assbot	Interception of Cocaine by Enzyme or Antibody Delivered with Viral Gene Transfer: A Novel Strategy for Preventing Relapse in Recovering Drug Users ... ( http://bit.ly/17r4Xtr )	[14:36]
punkman	nubbins`: well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline... << if only the retards came up with saline. I've read about some assholes using spray with glass beads (the kind used to make shiny road paint) that would penetrate the flowers.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	"Since cocaine must dissociate from antibody before it can be metabolized, either in plasma or liver, such results seem surprising. " I'm willing to bet they misread the data, dun actually have a response at all, but hey.	[14:38]
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BingoBoingo	!up hollywoodundead	[14:46]
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hollywoodundead	thank you	[14:46]
punkman	http://www.wired.com/2015/02/hacking-burning-man-tickets/ "I need to have a ticket to go camping in the desert"	[14:50]
assbot	Hackers Cut in Line at the Burning Man Ticket Sale—And Get Caught \| WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/17r7Udw )	[14:50]
[]bot	Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/	[14:51]
pete_dushenski	"The Pirate Bay is bringing back moderators to delete spam accounts and fake Torrents" << agents finding new day jobs ?	[14:52]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.00018 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.00018 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.	[14:52]
punkman	pete_dushenski: what would that get them?	[14:52]
pete_dushenski	plant broken seeds, remove functional ones	[14:53]
pete_dushenski	malware, spyware, etc.	[14:53]
[]bot	Bet created: "10% or greater incremental difficulty increase before June" http://bitbet.us/bet/1124/	[14:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87785 @ 0.00041664 = 36.5747 BTC [+] {4}	[15:07]
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pete_dushenski	"Areva, the French nuclear technology giant, warned on Monday that it was facing a loss of a magnitude that raises doubts about its ability to continue operations without an injection of state funds to restore its capital. The state-controlled company expects a 2014 net loss of about 4.9 billion euros, or $5.6 billion, from a loss of €500 million a year earlier." << blame the japs!	[15:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00041988 = 3.8629 BTC [+]	[15:14]
pete_dushenski	though nuclear must be one hell of a tough industry	[15:14]
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mircea_popescu	actually it's cheap romanian electricity.	[15:19]
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mircea_popescu	eu market got integrated, lot of excess capacity in the east, there it goes.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	putin is hurting the west with cheap energy about 10x more than whatever "sanctions"	[15:20]
pete_dushenski	is romanian leccy natural gas ?	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	a good chunk is actually nuclear	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	(france supported ro bid to eu chiefly because they needed ro heavy water).	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	but plenty hydrocarbons.	[15:25]
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pete_dushenski	my foggy memory of the romanian countryside is now clearning up..	[15:26]
pete_dushenski	i do recall seeing a few nuclear plants now	[15:27]
pete_dushenski	french design, neh ?	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	candu	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	http://www.transelectrica.ro/widget/web/tel/sen-harta/-/harta_WAR_SENOperareHartaportlet << this is actually trhe current data	[15:27]
assbot	Harta ... ( http://bit.ly/18g8WtQ )	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	currently exporting 1gw	[15:28]
pete_dushenski	lol actually, ro used candu (canadian)	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	(a lot more in summer due to hydro and less hydrocarbon usage for heating)	[15:28]
pete_dushenski	at least at Cernavodă	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	candu ^^	[15:28]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu yup! my bad!	[15:29]
pete_dushenski	you're too fast for me	[15:29]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[15:29]
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ascii_field	ty BingoBoingo	[15:29]
ascii_field	http://cryptome.org/2015/02/wapo-BillCaseyHoneyPot.htm << mega-trololol	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << in which we find most hn readers are pakistani ?	[15:29]
assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast	[15:30]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, ^^	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	Would you like a MIRRORED COPY OF YOUR OWN DATABASE? FROM THAT ERA? WE HAVE IT DO YOU?	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	lol. they don't, obv.	[15:31]
BingoBoingo	ascii_field: One of the lizards got drunk on the interent?	[15:32]
ascii_field	BingoBoingo: lizardEliza	[15:32]
pete_dushenski	"DOJ - Do you have ANY IDEA - WHAT IS ON THAT TAPE ? DO YOU ? UNITED STATES ENDS ON 1 SINGLE 3/4 INCH TAPE. ENTIRE SOVEREIGN CURRENCY ENDS	[15:32]
pete_dushenski	"	[15:32]
BingoBoingo	lol	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[15:32]
pete_dushenski	"United States Department of State has YET TO FEEL THE WRATH OF THE LLAMACOIN "	[15:33]
pete_dushenski	this guy's too good	[15:33]
pete_dushenski	maybe he's on reddit	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	maybe he's on lice powder.	[15:34]
ascii_field	let's play however.	[15:35]
ascii_field	imagine actual 3/4 inch tape	[15:35]
ascii_field	therefore almost certainly, a 'u-matic'	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	do i need to quote at you ?	[15:35]
ascii_field	yes	[15:36]
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mircea_popescu	"That's what it is. There's no such thing as "an idea", for damn sure."	[15:37]
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mircea_popescu	that tape, it's nothing but a fetish of "an idea".	[15:37]
ascii_field	well sure	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	"You can't have an idea. It's not a thing, not something to "have". It's not like a chocolate cake, you get your hands on it that's that, it's yours."	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	"oh what if i make it a chocolate tape then!!1"	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	not how this works.	[15:38]
ascii_field	trying to reverse-engineer the theatrical props here	[15:38]
ascii_field	to see in what kind of studio the production was filmed.	[15:38]
ascii_field	of the fantasy.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	you mean the commenter's ?	[15:38]
ascii_field	aha	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	he sounds like run of the mill overstimulated geek to me.	[15:38]
ascii_field	usually there are obvious technical gaffes	[15:38]
ascii_field	in these	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	all the way down to "imagine all the people derping in harmonee"	[15:39]
*	ascii_field connoisseur	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	you mean ascii field_connoisseur ?	[15:39]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: yes but that's normal acid trip not technical gaffe	[15:39]
ascii_field	separate the two	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[15:39]
pete_dushenski	"Monsanto said Wednesday its earnings fell 34% in its first fiscal quarter" << fucken derps following cisco to the grave. such paper signers.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field so anything good ?	[15:46]
ascii_field	it's short enough, just read it	[15:46]
ascii_field	good lulz	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	i skimmed. was curious more in the method of separating the two, if meaningfully applicable.	[15:47]
ascii_field	ELL ME - TELL ME - / TELL ME - TELL ME - TORN - MORNING / E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494 / THAT KEY should SCARE THE LIVING HELL OUT OF CIA / GO AHEAD - PUSH IT	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	;;google E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494	[15:48]
gribble	No matches found.	[15:48]
ascii_field	128b.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xE4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	v3 srsly ?	[15:49]
ascii_field	iirc there was once support for 128b md5 fp	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	yeh. while ago.	[15:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7729 @ 0.00041953 = 3.2425 BTC [-] {2}	[15:53]
ascii_field	and which loftus ?	[15:54]
ascii_field	pediwikia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loftus_(author) ?	[15:54]
assbot	John Loftus (author) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/18gazrD )	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	imo this is pointless wankery.	[15:54]
ascii_field	not if we spoodge	[15:54]
BingoBoingo	!b 8	[15:54]
assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1H76FXN.txt )	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/03/economy_where_we_go_from_here.html << tlp's sufferances as an amateur financier on an etrade account, and his efforts to cope and come to terms with it is a whole opera in and of itself.	[15:55]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Economy: Where We Go From Here ... ( http://bit.ly/18gaLqJ )	[15:55]
ascii_field	the clock ad on that site is hilarious	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	funny how the otherwise very competent psych does not feel comfortable taking off the coat and hat, and waddling in the mud modestly like http://38.media.tumblr.com/7c2d7566582a69867da0b68c13787462/tumblr_ngsc6rN6OV1ty4fj6o1_500.gif any amateur.	[15:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DeJUWm )	[15:56]
ascii_field	it's 1500 again and clocks have one hand ?	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	it has ads ?	[15:57]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[16:01]
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ascii_field	ty BingoBoingo	[16:01]
BingoBoingo	Oh reddit disappeared, but didn't really delete a qntra link... again	[16:02]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/	[16:02]
assbot	The Superfish Funder List : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeLDuA )	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:02]
BingoBoingo	No longer visible on pages	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	programming, this time. clearly it's happening without the subreddit mod's knowledge, there's no overlap about bitcoin tards and programmers.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	mind leaving a link to log on article discussing this for future ?	[16:03]
ascii_field	'...the Venture Capital Firms which made Superfish possible...' << lol! amerika where even spamware tr0j4n needs vc investment	[16:04]
ascii_field	can i get vc funding to sp4m l1k3 4 pr0? plz?	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	you gotta eat a lot of conference salty biscuit first.	[16:06]
ascii_field	very salty	[16:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041988 = 2.8132 BTC [+]	[16:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-superfish-funder-list/#comment-11390	[16:07]
assbot	The Superfish Funder List \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeN509 )	[16:07]
ascii_field	bukkakiscuit	[16:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16051 @ 0.0004202 = 6.7446 BTC [+]	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i meant http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/ and http://qntra.net/2015/01/its-easy-to-call-us-a-tiny-minority-when-you-engage-in-vote-manipulation/	[16:08]
assbot	"These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will — if it were used correctly, that is." pe Trile ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeNkIB )	[16:08]
assbot	It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeNkYW )	[16:08]
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ascii_field	'cryptome' under extra-thick ddos today...	[16:14]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2wve7e/the_superfish_funder_list/coup87o	[16:14]
assbot	ButterNubber comments on The Superfish Funder List ... ( http://bit.ly/18gcaO0 )	[16:14]
BingoBoingo	ascii_field: Noticed that a few hours ago	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i meant the other way :D	[16:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ah, now I'm more confused than ever	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	:)	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	i just want a functional reference point tree for when this topic is discussed in future. currently, my go-to link for "reddit manipulation" is either the trilema or the qntrea article. it's beneficial if they somewhere (like in comments) have a link to a later case they didn't substantially cover	[16:18]
ascii_field	at 'hackernews' hand-twiddling the story ratings and outright burial ordered from above has been sop since day one. but the reddit cesspool has generally been left alone (other than by armies of muppets, electric and meat alike) until recently.	[16:20]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[16:28]
gribble	Current Blocks: 344843 \| Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 \| Next Difficulty In: 1908 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 43058313524.9 \| Estimated Percent Change: -7.76719	[16:28]
ascii_field	re: sata on netbsd: i get same effect (garbage read for drive manuf. name and lba max params on init) if plugging in sata drive on original uboot console	[16:31]
ascii_field	(in uboot shell)	[16:31]
ascii_field	there's some magic init trick	[16:31]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[16:33]
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ascii_field	danke BingoBoingo!	[16:33]
ascii_field	http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf << does not provide a smash-your-face-obvious clue re: above	[16:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/18gdAbr )	[16:33]
ascii_field	if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)	[16:34]
ascii_field	the original marvell-patched kernel mod is mega-gnarly	[16:34]
ascii_field	(the one on pogo's www)	[16:34]
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scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-political-crisis-may-impoverish-homeland-security-department/	[16:43]
ascii_field	The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really	[16:44]
ascii_field	the whole 'shutdown' circus is wholly for show.	[16:44]
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assbot	The Mac Facilitates Spying Too \| Zit Seng's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/17rt2Ak )	[16:46]
BingoBoingo	ascii_field: But in fiat land with monthly bill payments, even a delay can be catastrophic to the stooge	[16:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00041893 = 4.1893 BTC [-]	[16:48]
ascii_field	jurov: i still don't get why usg would use anything other than the most 'respectable' root certs ('verisign' et al) for their shenanigans	[16:48]
NewLiberty	'Jeh C. Johnson, the Homeland Security secretary, said that it was “indulging in a fantasy to believe you can shut down the Department of Homeland Security and there be no impact to homeland security itself.”' Sure it might become more secure when the security theater show ends and people start taking personal responsibility.	[16:49]
ascii_field	deniability? sure, 'umm sorry taiwanese factory, umm, lost, signing key' a la stuxnet	[16:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00042123 = 6.5501 BTC [+]	[16:49]
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jurov	cryptome is down.. are we the new slashdot?	[16:54]
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BingoBoingo	literal butthurt http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--05KKQCHQ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wjqk8l4uyrlvvu5c8svh.jpg	[17:03]
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assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1a6PvEo )	[17:03]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[17:04]
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ascii_field	ty BingoBoingo	[17:04]
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BingoBoingo	!up wayne	[17:11]
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BingoBoingo	Hello wayne	[17:11]
wayne	thanks for the +v	[17:12]
wayne	hi	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	ello	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really << check it out, usg trying to steal b-a.	[17:15]
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ascii_field	they still get paid	[17:16]
ascii_field	(but no interest on late wages, iirc)	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	yaya.	[17:16]
ascii_field	and they don't clock in 'for the motherland' but to keep the job	[17:17]
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wayne	what is this channel for? general btc discussion? the website is a big ambiguous.	[17:17]
wayne	bit, rather	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	this is where bitcoin policy is set.	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	generally you are expected to read the logs for the next year to get acclimated.	[17:18]
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wayne	hey joecool	[17:19]
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felipelalli	wayne: the rule here is: read the full log and back next year. We'll wait.	[17:20]
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felipelalli	(PS: I'm still reading)	[17:20]
chetty	don't worry if you miss a day, someone will point it out (happens to me all the time)	[17:21]
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wayne	so everyone starts reading from april 26th?	[17:22]
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ben_vulpes	sometimes april 1st	[17:24]
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scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/so-im-going-to-be-a-total-asshole-for-a-moment-here/	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	for my curiosity, anyone still remember the elizabeth smart thing ? "kidnapped" 14yo utah blondie goes to party with "kidnappers" etc ?	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	apud Ballas : "I know, I know, she's only 15-- terrified, Stockholm Syndrome, etc. And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her, I didn't live her life. Though that brings us back to the black teen: why is fear an acceptable explanation for poor judgment, but anger is not? (Hint: they're both not.)"	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	in point of fact you can readily distinguish the male dominated society from the female dominated society, because they each succumb to their own foibles.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	in dudeland anger is accepted explanation, fear is not. in broadland, the reverse.	[17:34]
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mircea_popescu	yes, they're both not. hasn't yet happened on god's green earth tho.	[17:34]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[17:35]
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ascii_field	ty BingoBoingo!	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	wayne well not everyone joins at the same time.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of which, http://38.media.tumblr.com/d79ced52386260419f282a6cbea59cc0/tumblr_n5oxc1uPJp1trwqu4o1_400.gif	[17:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1B63dSs )	[17:36]
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punkman	wayne, good day to start is when voice requirement was introduced	[17:39]
punkman	also the search engine is great for finding interesting threads from the past	[17:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14914 @ 0.00041431 = 6.179 BTC [-] {2}	[17:39]
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chetty	And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her// the root of much evil in this world	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	i also have no right to calculate sun's orbit, as i'm no sun.	[17:54]
ascii_field	!b 3	[17:54]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GT5FC4.txt )	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	this is techniucally correct, i have NO RIGHT. nor do i wish to have such a right, fuck rights with a solder rifle.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	i have the fucking freedom to do it, and im dying with it.	[17:54]
thestringpuller	!up ascii_field	[17:55]
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ascii_field	ty thestringpuller!	[17:55]
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plonky	thank BingoBoingo	[18:54]
plonky	just created new gpg keypair	[18:54]
plonky	and registered to gribble	[18:54]
plonky	im hegemoOn	[18:54]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: re your asshole post. I believe GOOG split in the meantime..	[18:55]
plonky	but anyway new nickname, as far as i lost my previous gpg key associated with hegemoOn	[18:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00041186 = 6.0408 BTC [+] {3}	[18:56]
danielpbarron	!gettrust plonky	[18:58]
assbot	plonky is not registered in WoT.	[18:58]
plonky	i just ;;eauth	[18:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8783 @ 0.00042149 = 3.7019 BTC [+] {3}	[18:58]
plonky	22:50:10 gribble \| You are now authenticated for user plonky with key BACBCE400996EB88	[18:59]
danielpbarron	plonky, which bot responded to me when I typed '!gettrust' ?	[18:59]
plonky	assbot	[18:59]
plonky	!	[18:59]
danielpbarron	athereyougo	[18:59]
plonky	!help	[19:00]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[19:00]
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plonky	seems the fingerprint of my key isnt satisfying assbot	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	mike_c hm, i remember them wanting to for years but then they got sued not to	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	never heard that being ruled on so i just asumed they dropped it.	[19:09]
mats	http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html	[19:09]
assbot	Mossad contradicted Netanyahu on Iran nuclear programme - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/17P0BMv )	[19:09]
mats	that pic lol.	[19:10]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live.	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	mike_c turns out they did last year. thanks!	[19:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00039447 = 7.5738 BTC [-]	[19:15]
mike_c	yw.	[19:15]
danielpbarron	;;ident plonky	[19:16]
gribble	Nick 'plonky', with hostmask 'plonky!~plonky@shell.netmonk.org', is identified as user 'plonky', with GPG key id BACBCE400996EB88, key fingerprint 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88, and bitcoin address None	[19:16]
danielpbarron	plonky, are you using this one ----------^	[19:16]
plonky	ok	[19:16]
danielpbarron	try it in here so kakobrekla can see	[19:19]
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danielpbarron	!up plonky	[19:22]
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plonky	!register plonky 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88	[19:22]
assbot	That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.	[19:22]
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plonky	maybe im too stupid	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88 it's valid alright	[19:23]
plonky	yeah it's me :)	[19:24]
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mircea_popescu	no name	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	try !register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88	[19:26]
plonky	!register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88	[19:26]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88. This may take a few moments.	[19:26]
assbot	Key 0996EB88 / "netmonk " successfully imported.	[19:26]
assbot	Registration successful.	[19:26]
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plonky	ok so my trust is 0	[19:28]
plonky	so pretty useless at the moment !	[19:28]
plonky	ty mircea_popescu	[19:28]
plonky	and danielpbarron	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	so what do you do ?	[19:28]
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plonky	well, don't know :) i can ask fluffypony to rate me again :)	[19:30]
danielpbarron	!gettrust hegemoOn	[19:31]
assbot	Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/hegemoOn \| http://w.b-a.link/user/hegemoOn	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	plonky you do archlinux ?	[19:31]
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plonky	mircea_popescu: yes :)	[19:32]
plonky	you can find me on the archwiki	[19:32]
plonky	in the security team :)	[19:32]
plonky	and few commint on other topic	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while, prolly can help with that	[19:32]
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plonky	pogoplug ?	[19:32]
danielpbarron	plonky, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2015#1030941	[19:33]
assbot	Logged on 23-02-2015 19:29:52; ascii_field: if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)	[19:33]
danielpbarron	there is a bug in netbsd regarding sata drives that archlinux does not have	[19:34]
plonky	well, kernel are compiled and distributed as binary	[19:34]
plonky	as far you know on archlinux	[19:34]
plonky	but a mail on mailing list could help or /join #archlinux	[19:34]
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bitstein	Assbot should have a reminder command.	[19:39]
bitstein	!remind 5 years this tweet: https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/569936267397500928	[19:39]
assbot	/hashtag/blockchains?src=hash are a friggin database technology; 5 years down I doubt any users will care what the underlying network token is	[19:39]
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plonky	i bet ascii_field is asciilifeform ?	[19:41]
fluffypony	plonky: did you break your GPG?	[19:41]
plonky	fluffypony: yeah	[19:42]
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fluffypony	;;rated hegemoon	[19:42]
gribble	You rated user hegemoon on Wed Jul 2 08:48:10 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: smooth PPEUR for XMR trade, no issues.	[19:42]
plonky	it was a time monero was meaning something :)	[19:42]
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plonky	170 euros, 200 monero iirc	[19:43]
fluffypony	;;rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account	[19:43]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user plonky has been recorded.	[19:43]
plonky	:)	[19:43]
plonky	thanks sir	[19:43]
*	danielpbarron slaps fluffypony around a bit with a large assbot	[19:43]
fluffypony	oh	[19:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9536 @ 0.00039998 = 3.8142 BTC [+]	[19:43]
fluffypony	!rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account	[19:43]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/30df173af3bcc2ef	[19:43]
plonky	thanks again	[19:43]
fluffypony	how do I verify the rating?	[19:44]
fluffypony	(once the string has been decrypted I mean)	[19:44]
danielpbarron	!v	[19:44]
assbot	Need a decrypted verification string.	[19:44]
fluffypony	!v assbot:fluffypony.rate.plonky.1:2dc1b7ff690f2bd0c195b81db1a34d09eaefb5da684e8997ff0eaa8f861c0589	[19:44]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for plonky with note: PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account	[19:44]
fluffypony	thanks danielpbarron	[19:44]
danielpbarron	things and strings go in the V	[19:45]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[19:47]
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ascii_field	ty BingoBoingo!	[19:47]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while << actually, we - or, rather me - have been trying to get it -off- arch	[19:47]
ascii_field	because it's a fucking hog	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	did the mystery bit ever get resolved ?	[19:47]
ascii_field	not yet	[19:47]
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plonky	https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/linux	[19:48]
assbot	svntogit/packages.git - Git clone of the 'packages' repository	[19:48]
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plonky	this one is the answer	[19:48]
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plonky	with all the patch included to kernel compilation in archlinux	[19:48]
ascii_field	plonky: do you know for certain that this is the very same arch as was published (see log) for use on 'pogo' ?	[19:49]
plonky	if you can explain what mean "for use on pogo", i would understand better :)	[19:49]
ascii_field	or wtf	[19:50]
danielpbarron	plonky, http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/pogoplug-series-4	[19:50]
assbot	Pogoplug Series 4 \| Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADCAlV )	[19:50]
ascii_field	that's an x86 build script	[19:50]
ascii_field	(what plonky linked to)	[19:50]
plonky	ok	[19:50]
ascii_field	nothing whatsoever to do with us	[19:50]
plonky	i better understand :)	[19:50]
plonky	so /join #archlinux-arm	[19:50]
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ascii_field	http://os.archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-kirkwood-latest.tar.gz << is probably the binary	[19:53]
BingoBoingo	!up plonky	[19:53]
ascii_field	but where's the source	[19:53]
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plonky	ascii_field: which arm version ?	[19:54]
BingoBoingo	!s bucket	[19:54]
assbot	108 results for 'bucket' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bucket	[19:54]
BingoBoingo	plonky: Arm v5, pogoplug v4	[19:54]
plonky	ascii_field: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/PKGBUILD	[19:54]
assbot	PKGBUILDs/PKGBUILD at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQo8vi )	[19:54]
plonky	this is the pkgbuild of the kernel	[19:54]
ascii_field	plonky, others: it isn't just a question of 'which arm'	[19:55]
ascii_field	(5)	[19:55]
ascii_field	but specific system-on-chip that has all the peripherals	[19:55]
ascii_field	http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/kirkwood/assets/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf	[19:55]
ascii_field	^ described here	[19:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FQogel )	[19:55]
ascii_field	the ethernet, sata, usb, etc. are all on same die	[19:55]
ascii_field	but it's a little-endian arm 5, yes.	[19:56]
plonky	ascii_field: ok look at my url, it point to the kernel config of kirkwood release !	[19:56]
ascii_field	ty plonky	[19:56]
ascii_field	that's probably it.	[19:56]
ascii_field	will have to build and run the damn thing to be sure	[19:56]
ascii_field	if one of you folks with free time want to do this - appreciated.	[19:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00040963 = 2.0232 BTC [+]	[19:57]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live << what was the detonation velocity ?	[20:00]
*	plonky switched from archlinux-arm to cubian on his cubieboard btw	[20:01]
ascii_field	in other news from the lulzfarms, http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-world-espionage-snowden-guardian-mi6-cia-ssa-mossad-iran-southafrica-leak-150218100147229.html	[20:01]
assbot	The Spy Cables: A glimpse into the world of espionage - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQpK8w )	[20:01]
ascii_field	plonky: ultimate goal is netbsd with maximally stripped down kernel and scarcely any userland at all beyond bitcoind	[20:02]
ascii_field	whole shebang should weigh a couple of MB gzipped.	[20:02]
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ben_vulpes	i can sorta read -assets logs backwards now	[20:04]
ben_vulpes	neat trick, that	[20:04]
danielpbarron	i think i finally bricked a pogo; rebooted the one with the netconsole thing setup (which has worked in the past) and now i get nothing out of it :<	[20:05]
danielpbarron	"bricked" // i'll just use this one when my usb thingy arrives	[20:06]
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plonky	https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/archlinuxarm.patch	[20:07]
assbot	PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQr0Zg )	[20:07]
plonky	ascii_field: lot of SATA reference in this patchfile	[20:07]
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danielpbarron	nevermind false alarm	[20:11]
ascii_field	https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-kirkwood/archlinuxarm.patch#L8563 << possibly this	[20:11]
assbot	PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADHuiZ )	[20:11]
plonky	is it similar behaviour you have on netbsd ?	[20:12]
plonky	i mean stop of work after few minutes ?	[20:13]
ascii_field	never works at all	[20:13]
ascii_field	so probably not	[20:13]
plonky	and what does the netbsd guy say ?	[20:13]
ascii_field	and on second thought we don't have a 88sx7042 either	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	scoopbot -fetch	[20:13]
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ascii_field	netbsd guy ?	[20:14]
plonky	yeah netbsd developpers, who are in charge of arm support	[20:14]
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danielpbarron	plonky, do you know of any such people in the WoT?	[20:15]
plonky	because it's easy to have a kernel booting and displaying lines in console	[20:15]
plonky	but a bit harder to have a full hardware support	[20:15]
plonky	danielpbarron: not that i know	[20:15]
plonky	i mean, sending email to the right mailing list explaining your problem	[20:16]
plonky	can bring the official dev support	[20:16]
ascii_field	http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=%3Ckiyohara%40NetBSD.org%3E&op=index&exact=on	[20:16]
ascii_field	^ him	[20:16]
ascii_field	anyone's guess if he has the time, inclination, or this particular piece of hardware to even try	[20:16]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[20:17]
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ascii_field	ty BingoBoingo	[20:17]
plonky	http://www.netbsd.org/mailinglists/#port-arm	[20:17]
assbot	NetBSD mailing lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADIGmo )	[20:17]
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ascii_field	plonky: the one thing definitely known is that the bug is specific to this one particular marvell soc	[20:18]
plonky	one of my systema trainer once told me : if you don't ask, you will never get answer	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field about the same as an unladden swallow	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	(was gas thing, killed a guy_	[20:18]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i thought your tool gave a number	[20:18]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/court-no-surveillance-records-for-fbi-terrorist/	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	i don't personally do everything!	[20:19]
ascii_field	l0l	[20:19]
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mircea_popescu	i tend to limit what i personally do to women.	[20:20]
ascii_field	good idea if engineering-practical	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	plonky looky, the question here is whether you can be useful not whether he needs some advice.	[20:20]
ascii_field	i was just about to say.	[20:21]
*	ascii_field does not need to be told, usually, that 'it works better if you plug it in'	[20:21]
ascii_field	and neither do the other folks in #b-a	[20:21]
ascii_field	but to be fair: plonky found for me what i asked for	[20:21]
ascii_field	(the archturd)	[20:22]
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plonky	alright	[20:30]
plonky	i will keep advice for myself, no offense.	[20:31]
BingoBoingo	plonky: It takes time to get to know what advice might be useful as opposed to being noise, that's what the reading is for.	[20:32]
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scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitrated-launches-web-of-trust-abomination/	[20:35]
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danielpbarron	i got my pogo to load asciilifeform's netbsd.ub over ftp, and it stops at "Starting kernel ..." // is this step supposed to get a long time?	[20:44]
danielpbarron	take*	[20:44]
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ben_vulpes	i generally know the thing needs plugging in but frequently find myself unable to line up the right pins with the right sockets	[21:00]
ben_vulpes	end up ripping the fixture out of the wall and soldering things together.	[21:01]
ben_vulpes	because abandonware.	[21:01]
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asciilifeform	danielpbarron: what kind of output were you expecting to see without a serial cable ?!	[21:50]
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danielpbarron	asciilifeform, none; just confirming my expectations	[22:06]
danielpbarron	is the netcat thing even needed?	[22:07]
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asciilifeform	danielpbarron: it's needed if you have no serial cable and want to screw with uboot	[22:09]
asciilifeform	otherwise not at all.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	unrelated/historical >> http://coldwar-ct.com/ATT_Chesterfield.html << 'not a bunker w/out spring mounted toilet!'	[22:09]
assbot	ATT Chesterfield ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNQ597 )	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what they think "nuclear hardened" means.	[22:12]
asciilifeform	http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2008/08/10/118719/mysterious-cold-war-bunker-closes.html#.VOvOc3W9_fs << related	[22:13]
assbot	Mysterious Cold War bunker closes \| CharlotteObserver.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNQpov )	[22:13]
asciilifeform	(architectural/historical interest)	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	5feet doesn't sound like much.	[22:13]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I find the historical bunker bezzel fascinating. Especially with the missile sites that were getting outdated and replaced within 5 years. The ATT bunkers though... some nice real estate	[22:13]
asciilifeform	of earth; more of cement	[22:13]
asciilifeform	bunker-building was a major racket in usa	[22:14]
asciilifeform	at one time	[22:14]
asciilifeform	and afaik nobody cancelled bunkers, but the 'golden age of usg' gigantomania is gone.	[22:15]
BingoBoingo	Well, private bunkers are the new racket	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	40acres for 200k.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: private 'gtfo' arrangements are the new racket	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That too. Still some people do brisk business selling corrugated steel tubes	[22:17]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://coldwar-ct.com/Home_Page_S1DO.html << even more, incl. period equipment	[22:20]
assbot	ATT Cheshire underground facility. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzZGir )	[22:20]
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BingoBoingo	Ah, more toilet springs	[22:23]
asciilifeform	found that site by sheer accident, while idly looking for what's commercial state of the art in shock wave detectors	[22:25]
asciilifeform	(from earlier thread)	[22:25]
*	asciilifeform out of date on the subject	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	i'm not terribly impressed with the depicted blastdoors, but anyway	[22:25]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: according to the historical docs, the sites in question were rated for particular 'overpressures' - and some were 'graded down' upon inspection after constructed	[22:26]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Definitely a particularly interesting site. Microwave tower is rather thin on antennas so facility must have had other serious justification	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:27]
asciilifeform	so mircea_popescu is not the only one who wasn't impressed	[22:27]
asciilifeform	builders sc4mz0r3d usg	[22:27]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: horns	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[22:27]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you need one (or two, redundant) for each direction of link	[22:27]
asciilifeform	and the horns themselves were merely backups for the more famous underground coax	[22:28]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Sure, but The towers around here tend to have more horns and more tower for mounting horns	[22:28]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: there are horns where you live ?!	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	you thinking cellphgone microwave drums ?	[22:28]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: We have a big microwave tower on the north side of town	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	slightly different item	[22:28]
asciilifeform	very different.	[22:29]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Between highway and park in hometown Big antenna, wimpy bunker https://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+silver+lake+park&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=utLrVLr6CujgsASx_4CYAg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw	[22:31]
assbot	highland silver lake park - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNRKf0 )	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	Common arrangement in the Middle West	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	"Longline" service	[22:31]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: looks quite like the others.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	can even see the cracks on the asphalt.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	probably not sold at time of photo.	[22:32]
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mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/8695d3035d9ae23d57c8d720815885a8/tumblr_n4w4vqxch41rdh9veo1_400.gif	[22:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MNROv9 )	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	Well no reason not to. Just maybe it is an elevation thing but CT bunker seems like it could have moar tower	[22:33]
asciilifeform	elevation thing	[22:33]
asciilifeform	https://maps.google.com/maps?q=highland+silver+lake+park&ll=38.761728,-89.692103&spn=0.002812,0.001632&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=38.761673,-89.691976&panoid=HPZxYzCY4v-Tms2dG9AMcA&cbp=12,354.34,,1,-19.35 << BingoBoingo's tower definitely has cellular antennae now	[22:34]
assbot	highland silver lake park - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNRXia )	[22:34]
asciilifeform	in addition to the classical horns	[22:34]
BingoBoingo	https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/e71f4cbe-bc13-4d1b-b3f9-1e0a9f9ebf16.jpg << 2004 vintage	[22:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MNS0KY )	[22:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what's that ?!	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	https://d1u1p2xjjiahg3.cloudfront.net/775124f3-9ed9-4b6d-b22d-513441a12b51.jpg << 2012 with Cellular turds	[22:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LA1Pug )	[22:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: or, more specifically, what is the flying object	[22:37]
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BingoBoingo	And since we are bringing up the hometown behold the drive Federalis made to visit, note the major city very close to the destination https://maps.google.com/maps?q=peoria+illinois+highland+illinois&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=1tbrVNKsHMKmNqeWg_AH&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&output=classic&dg=brw	[22:47]
assbot	peoria illinois highland illinois - Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNT0yD )	[22:47]
asciilifeform	http://senstar.com << hilarious bezzlatron	[22:49]
assbot	Senstar - The Trusted Choice for Perimeter Intrusion Detection and Security Solutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTchb )	[22:49]
asciilifeform	http://www.securityinfowatch.com/directory/perimeter-security-physical-hardening << giant catalogue of usg auschwitzmatics	[22:50]
assbot	Browse Perimeter Security & Physical Hardening Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNThBD )	[22:50]
BingoBoingo	Mega lol, where's the robot's Mosin?	[22:52]
asciilifeform	can connect alarm out cable to whatever?	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	If Intel can plan on sending silicon to abadon anything is possible	[22:54]
asciilifeform	http://senstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/senstar-vip-brochure.pdf << moar lulz	[22:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTDbx )	[22:55]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a nato round expelled	[22:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: just now?	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	in the gif. is what you meant ?	[22:56]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:57]
asciilifeform	lol	[22:57]
asciilifeform	i was still thinking about the wave detector!	[22:57]
asciilifeform	but it all makes sense now	[22:57]
asciilifeform	should've noticed the earmuffs	[22:58]
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mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/cookie_monster_becomes_aware.html << actually tlp has excellent working theory on 'what happened'.	[22:59]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Cookie Monster Becomes Aware ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNTVPI )	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	baby boomers checked out of society, their kids were raised by the tv set, the result is the current usg.	[22:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: old ('60s-'70s?) news ?	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	not news in any sense. well stated.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	it also means no meta nsa you know.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	why'd that be	[23:01]
asciilifeform	not everybody's a degenerate	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	not how this works. biological samples are either uniformly infected or not infected.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	now, granted, i don't work at meta-nsa...	[23:02]
asciilifeform	but the folks i work with weren't raised by tv.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	nor was the woman	[23:02]
asciilifeform	nor any of the people i associate with voluntarily in meatspace, really	[23:03]
asciilifeform	not a uniform infection, this.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	but what that does is... it takes them out of sample.	[23:03]
asciilifeform	meta-nsa can also take out of sample, no ?	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	no.	[23:04]
asciilifeform	or what, ant can do, but elephant cannot ?	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	it also means no meta nsa you know. << That show in particular was designed to bring about reddit society	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo only retrospectively. prospectively, it was designed to bring about "a better world", as some people imagined it.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	that "a better world" as some people imagine it is always laughably derpy is no secret.	[23:04]
cazalla	that oscar was such a troll, down voting	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And in every "about" derp they mention the "better world" being governance via reddit and tumblr ethics	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	if you don't know very much, all sorts of stuff smells like salvation.	[23:05]
BingoBoingo	And it's no coincidence that Elmo was played by a chomo	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	some idiots somewhere put pen to paper cca 1700 to communicate the idea that "if only we made the children of the scum literate the word would be a paradise"	[23:06]
BingoBoingo	No, just means you have to sort through "literate" scum to find literature	[23:07]
BingoBoingo	Related: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/02/prison_survival_guides_books_and_videos_for_navigating_life_on_the_inside.html	[23:09]
assbot	Prison survival guides: Books and videos for navigating life on the inside. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNUE39 )	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	they're going to have a dating/selfhelp for this, too ?	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	pretty soon derps in prison so numerous actual prisoners are too wtf'd at these idiots running around dreaming a little dream they just hang themselves ?	[23:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lulzier still, there are -schools- for 'white collar' derps who are expecting prison	[23:10]
asciilifeform	as in, expensive 'academies' where... something or other.. is taught	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	no wai ?!	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[23:10]
*	asciilifeform doesn't have the link handy	[23:10]
BingoBoingo	"Kerness says she sends the manual to anyone who writes to her organization asking for one. Until recently she had no trouble getting the materials into people’s hands, but recently, she says she has started receiving pushback from some facilities."	[23:12]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: "Get ready for prison" camp is actually a thing is USia	[23:12]
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asciilifeform	l0l!!	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	does it go "kill someone on your first day, the flimsier reason the better, the more blood the better" ?	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo is it like the "baby delivery" school, in that it involves "all family members" for maximal bezzletronicity ?	[23:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Seems to from what I can find on the subject.	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	also a lot of "Eastern" meditate and Zen bullshit	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	do they have pay per view in prison yet ?	[23:15]
BingoBoingo	nah	[23:15]
BingoBoingo	They have cable in the county jail I've heard through reports	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	why not ? bad for the economy.	[23:16]
BingoBoingo	Just extended basic though	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	"No matter how many episodes of Orange Is the New Black you’ve binge-watched, the experience of life behind bars is basically unfathomable to those of us who have only ever known freedom."	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	gtfo, what usian has known freedom ?!	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	they're so fucking free they despair for a guide of "how to behave" in prison.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	god forbid you misbehave. they may jail you!	[23:17]
*	asciilifeform secret connoisseur of 'rotting in prison' literature. has most of a bookcase - and none is in eng. doesn't know of any in that language worth keeping	[23:17]
BingoBoingo	I've heard reports that county jail isnt so bad, worst part is the stigma from people on the outside	[23:18]
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mircea_popescu	ironically, most married with children white collar men i know would actually enjoy prison	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	they're petrified of it, of course, but it'd be a rational move for them.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	how's that	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	state's paying your mortgage, for one.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	not everybody likes buggery..	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	ever seen someone in that demo be BORED ?	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	eh get out.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	most people don't bother fucking their wives, why do you imagine they'd bother with some dude.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	ask around.	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	I don't have children so would like to avoid prison and buggery. Still my survival strategy would consist largely of join the first white power gang that comes knocking.	[23:20]
*	asciilifeform checks coordinates, seems like on same planet as mircea_popescu - but wat	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform stop the first woman over 30 you see, ask her if she had sex today.	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	!up nullB	[23:21]
*	assbot gives voice to nullB	[23:21]
*	asciilifeform would have to leave the bubble dome to do mircea_popescu's suggested experiment	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[23:21]
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*	asciilifeform on typical day doesn't see any women other than one kept as pet	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	now multiply this by a reddit, and you see where we are.	[23:22]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[23:22]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MVQH2F.txt )	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	but it's fine, send the pet out on a fact finding expedition.	[23:23]
BingoBoingo	In USia this is an elite athlete >> http://deadspin.com/cc-sabathia-gained-a-bunch-of-weight-on-purpose-1687422053	[23:23]
assbot	CC Sabathia Gained A Bunch Of Weight, On Purpose ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNVtsM )	[23:23]
asciilifeform	pet could quite likely walk until its legs give out, without finding the fact	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	what if you get 12 out of 12 nos ?	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	will it be a meta-fucking ?	[23:24]
asciilifeform	i can believe this	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	afaik this normally happens because the wife breaks down	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	not to say rape doesn't exist in prison. however, celebrity also exists in california.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	you can live a whole life w/o running into either just fine.	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	eh bs.	[23:25]
BingoBoingo	most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude. << Prolly so random dude doesn't fuck them. WHy do dogs sniff assholes	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	i never heard of a farmer not milking his cows because "they broke down", or not slaugthering the pigs etc.	[23:26]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: there is not (yet!) an industry in usa devoted to helping pigs slaughter farmers	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to make this easier to approach, i would propose the situation depicted in american history x is perhaps the best summary of the situation.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle.	[23:27]
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BingoBoingo	there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle. << Is rape ever anything other than politics?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	well that's complicated.	[23:28]
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mircea_popescu	a while back i ran a "what'd you do with 100k euro" thing on my blog (because some fucktarded populists were "promoting a law" to give every schmuck 20k - romanians don't want living wages, they want universal windfalls)	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	most people that had a decent career etc wanted - 1 year's vacation. and to sleep.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	sleep!	[23:32]
*	asciilifeform salivates	[23:32]
*	asciilifeform has sleep fantasies	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	see ?	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	so they put you in this place, which is fundamentally quiet. you can't be disturbed.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	think about it.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	and then... well... you can sleep.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	aha lol in what country	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	you can think.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	in all countries.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	solitary is a "punishment"	[23:33]
asciilifeform	(usg term for the classic dungeon where you get to sit alone)	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but understand : there can be no further emergencies.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	nothing's important.	[23:33]
BingoBoingo	gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax << Illinois closed its onlu supermax at Tamms not long ago. Now there is only Noisemax unless you go federal	[23:34]
asciilifeform	interestingly, ru supermax is 2 schmucks per cell.	[23:34]
asciilifeform	(modern ru)	[23:34]
asciilifeform	at any rate, the 'eat a horse' effect is at work	[23:35]
asciilifeform	very few people would enjoy actually eating the horse	[23:35]
asciilifeform	or, more to the point, drinking the sea	[23:36]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You forget failed Anglos founded USia, roommate jsut means orfice to use as escape from sensory deprivation	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	getting to do it while someone else pays for it - not just the roof and food, but the "whose fault it is!" is ideal.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	in other news, finally discovered the reason contemporary muzak sucks so bad. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln598igfTB1qa258ao1_500.jpg	[23:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MNWdyc )	[23:38]
BingoBoingo	some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker. << No guarentee roommate would be adult thinker	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	eh, what's he gonna do, dance all night ?	[23:39]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: did the 20k thing ever actually happen ?	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	naw lol	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	nor did any of the guys end up in prison	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	it is the fate of the intellectual to discuss things that shall never be.	[23:43]
asciilifeform	the 'living wage' thing is much closer to things that actually happen, because pumping staight from treasury to rentiers (who jack prices immediately on anything subsidized) is apparently a-ok	[23:44]
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asciilifeform	(see the u.s. 'college racket' etc)	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	you gotta understand, you go to jail in romania for being a socialist.	[23:44]
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asciilifeform	anyone actually sitting for this at the moment ?	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	well, they released adrian nastase	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	but plenty in yes.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	(adrian nastase ~= nancy pelosi)	[23:45]
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asciilifeform	plenty in 'for socialism' ?	[23:47]
asciilifeform	how's that work - what did they actually -do-	[23:47]
*	assbot gives voice to decimation	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	be part of the red party.	[23:47]
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decimation	re: living wage < in the us, if you sum up everyone on section 8 rent subsidy, medicaid, medicare, social security, mortgage deduction and then us mil, us civil service, you probably have swedish level 'welfare'	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	college aid ?	[23:49]
decimation	if I were president, the first order I would make would be to released the list of everyone who receives money from the list above	[23:49]
asciilifeform	decimation: in general there's nothing secret about who they are - you can mostly tell by street address	[23:50]
decimation	asciilifeform: if you drill, you find that the bureaucracy that disburses these payments is extremely jealous about releasing exact details	[23:50]
decimation	for obvious reasons	[23:50]
*	assbot removes voice from nullB	[23:51]
decimation	in fact, it's illegal for a real estate agent in the us to tell you how many welfare cases live on a street	[23:53]
decimation	http://homebuying.about.com/od/realestateagents/qt/AgentDuties.htm	[23:53]
assbot	Real Estate Agent - Fair Housing Act Violation ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNX6qu )	[23:53]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Part of the obstacle is there's no unified list	[23:54]
decimation	BingoBoingo: this is no accident	[23:54]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I'm not so sure	[23:54]
BingoBoingo	Could be incompetence	[23:54]
decimation	do the checks arrive monthly? are the ebt cards filled?	[23:55]
decimation	someone has a list of accounts	[23:55]
decimation	if pressed, I'm sure the bureaucracy would bleat that it needs to protect the 'privacy' of the recipient	[23:56]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: The problem is separation	[23:59]
*	badon_ is now known as badon	[23:59]
BingoBoingo	There's no master list	[23:59]
BingoBoingo	Shit is compartmented to hell	[23:59]
decimation	some of the programs mentioned above are run by the states	[23:59]
decimation	turns out arizona is on my program: http://azdailysun.com/news/state-and-regional/panel-oks-measure-to-release-welfare-recipients-names/article_03e548da-6d5a-5d00-bfab-6b14e8d00ed3.html	[23:59]
assbot	Panel OKs measure to release welfare recipients' names ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNXtBw )	[23:59]

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