Forum logs for 23 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [16:47]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || || || [16:47]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014 [16:47]
-assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. [16:47]
* assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu [16:47]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla pong [16:47]
mircea_popescu ;;rated grubles [16:48]
gribble You have not yet rated user grubles [16:48]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate grubles -1 Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault. [16:49]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user grubles has been recorded. [16:49]
mircea_popescu re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing. [16:50]
mircea_popescu for that matter, the contract has a specific clause, 3(a)That no third party has offered verifiable proof as to the inaccuracy or incompleteness of the representations and warranties made herein and that no market makers, preferred traders and other significant investors of MPEx have publicly proffered doubt as to the accuracy or completeness of the representations and warranties made herein ; [16:51]
mircea_popescu he never availed himself of it, and that is exactly enough for constructive tacit agreement, just as good as if he swore to the whole thing. [16:51]
mircea_popescu for that matter, the guy didn't protest at any point while rg was still running the thing, nor did he stand up to take over once rg fucked it up. [16:52]
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mircea_popescu there was about a month there while namworld was struggling to salvage the thing. which meanwhile i think died again or what is it these days ? [16:57]
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thestringpuller oh look it's a popescu! [16:59]
* thestringpuller waves [16:59]
mircea_popescu heya thestringpuller [17:00]
mircea_popescu how goes the merryments ? [17:00]
mircea_popescu !up cornfeedhobo [17:00]
* assbot gives voice to cornfeedhobo [17:00]
cornfeedhobo gracias [17:01]
thestringpuller They are interesting! I think my 3D artist has some renders as an XMas present for you. Hopefully chetty can help us get it in the engine sometime Q1. [17:01]
mircea_popescu for sure! [17:01]
thestringpuller How is your vacation going? [17:01]
mircea_popescu pretty fun! [17:01]
thestringpuller warmer than the n hemisphere i hope ;) [17:02]
thestringpuller not that you'd need warmth with that harem of yours ;) [17:02]
mircea_popescu do you realise i've been pretty much here, and on -otc before that, almost every day for like three years straight ? [17:02]
mircea_popescu nuts if you say it outloud. [17:02]
thestringpuller Well you do have highest word count for good reasons! [17:03]
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thestringpuller so I work for the marketing department here as a developer. [17:03]
thestringpuller in one of the meetings I almost went "marketing is rape" [17:03]
thestringpuller and was about to start quoting trilema [17:04]
mircea_popescu o.O [17:04]
thestringpuller haha! I have no idea why we spend so much on marketing. These designers are wasting their precious time. [17:06]
mircea_popescu well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol [17:06]
joecool heh return of rg to irc seems to be causing arguments in all the bitcoin-* channels [17:08]
kakobrekla but he doesnt own his key anymore? [17:09]
joecool kakobrekla: i thought that was just a rumor, for months everyone thought he sold his forum login too, yet he claims not since he came back to irc [17:10]
kakobrekla dik. [17:11]
mircea_popescu joecool was a fact back then. [17:12]
mircea_popescu these things don't change over time i dun think. [17:12]
joecool no i wouldn't expect that to change over time if true [17:13]
mats it was entertaining to see Anduck chat again [17:13]
mats feelings were hurt and words were had [17:14]
cornfeedhobo mircea_popescu: sounds like a fun 3 years [17:16]
mircea_popescu guy's kinda add. [17:16]
mircea_popescu **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 8 16:13:16 2012 [17:16]
mircea_popescu Apr 08 16:13:16 * Now talking on #bitcoin-otc [17:16]
mircea_popescu Apr 08 16:13:16 * Topic for #bitcoin-otc is: OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. | | | Start with the ;;guide | Before trading, talk to people, and check ratings. | Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud | Trade Options: | Bitcoin VPS: | BTC → MP @ | Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe [17:16]
mircea_popescu Apr 08 16:13:16 * Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Wed Apr 4 06:47:00 2012 [17:16]
assbot #bitcoin-otc ... ( ) [17:16]
mircea_popescu ^going through old logs. [17:16]
assbot Bitcoin-otc channel guidelines - bitcoin-otc wiki ... ( ) [17:16]
assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( ) [17:16]
assbot BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin ... ( ) [17:16]
mircea_popescu does -otc still have sponsors or nomoar ? [17:16]
cornfeedhobo i havent seen one in a year, i think [17:17]
joecool -otc can't even pull together an events bot [17:17]
cornfeedhobo afaik, the ops have one [17:17]
mircea_popescu well, let it be a lesson to all aspiring states : don't allow gmaxwells anywhere near anything, or they'll shit up your future. [17:17]
cornfeedhobo gmaxwell? i think i may have missed the drama involving him ... mind filling me in? [17:18]
mircea_popescu cornfeedhobo [17:18]
assbot The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:18]
cornfeedhobo hahaha "LOL @ #bitcoin-otc-nsfw is a danieldaniel free zone." [17:20]
mircea_popescu i think guy was like 16 or something at the time [17:21]
mircea_popescu << bitvps had one of those "vote your favorite face" thing [17:21]
assbot BitcoinStats ... ( ) [17:21]
cornfeedhobo he is 16 now. i have met him in NYC. not a fan. [17:21]
mircea_popescu a really ? i never kept too close track. just a kid wandered in one day. [17:22]
mircea_popescu 22:13 rg soon you guys can invest in BitVPS [17:22]
cornfeedhobo he has gone out of his way too many times to be extremely rude. i found it fitting when he was hired by CoinBase [17:22]
cornfeedhobo (customer support) [17:23]
mircea_popescu Apr 06 06:24:27 just set your password to asdfghjkl;' that way you can zip through the whole row. the enter key is even at the end. thats to root password to every bitvps server. [17:23]
mircea_popescu Apr 06 06:25:10 i set mine to "incorrect", so when i forget it, the app tells me [17:23]
mircea_popescu good old days lol [17:23]
cornfeedhobo lol [17:24]
mircea_popescu cornfeedhobo isn't support the hell computer afficionados go to die in ? [17:24]
joecool cornfeedhobo: still think the best was seeing a minor (danieldaniel) lend btc to a heroin addict (rg), -otc is always good entertainment [17:26]
cornfeedhobo that is certainly what i have always thought [17:26]
cornfeedhobo indeed [17:26]
cornfeedhobo and cry about not getting it back. lol [17:26]
mircea_popescu jborkl: What was the rate, 7% per day? Or week << per week [17:27]
mircea_popescu but he had an insider deal where he paid the various captains of industry more so they got the idea to resell. [17:27]
mircea_popescu joecool when was this ? [17:27]
joecool mircea_popescu: about a year or so ago [17:28]
mircea_popescu after my time. [17:28]
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jborkl sweet action, 7% per week... seems so realistic [17:29]
thestringpuller cornfeedhobo: danieldaniel is a weird kid. [17:29]
mircea_popescu at the time, bitcoin was a few dollars and basically nobody gave much of a shit. [17:29]
thestringpuller he's trustworthy tho, or at least was. [17:29]
mircea_popescu eventually people started caring and it got crushed into the dirt, but for a year or so all sorts of bugs got to dance on the tools an' pretend. [17:30]
thestringpuller I think he spends too much time in front of a computer and not enough time sleeping with girls. [17:30]
jborkl yeah, the weekend btcst went bust it dropped to $8 [17:30]
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mircea_popescu it was oscilating aroudn there, at some point prior the pirate muppet was "going to ruin the price" while it went from low 6s to 7s. [17:31]
mircea_popescu that was some lulzy log [17:31]
mircea_popescu i dun recall which chan it was in tho, some pricewatchers something [17:31]
thestringpuller man i miss those days [17:32]
mircea_popescu i recall this one instance where i was going to buy some btc but the guy turned out to only have like 5 or so, and i was meh, for that much not worth my time going into paypal. [17:33]
assbot cornfeedhobo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [17:33]
mircea_popescu !up cornfeedhobo [17:33]
-assbot- You voiced cornfeedhobo for 30 minutes. [17:33]
* assbot gives voice to cornfeedhobo [17:33]
mircea_popescu this was during that dry summer when it stayed at 2.x [17:34]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust mircea_popescu gmaxwell [17:34]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user gmaxwell: Level 1: -10, Level 2: 20 via 14 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011 [17:34]
thestringpuller lol i think he is rated lower than magicaltux [17:34]
cornfeedhobo thestringpuller: he is trustworthy because someone doxxed him a while back. even posted pictures of his mom. I never got the sense that it was genuine, but i could be wrong. [17:34]
mircea_popescu who ? [17:34]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust mircea_popescu magicaltux [17:34]
cornfeedhobo danieldaniel [17:34]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user magicaltux: Level 1: -1, Level 2: -22 via 14 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010 [17:34]
mircea_popescu is danielmom hot ? [17:34]
cornfeedhobo i dont recall [17:35]
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rithm man o man [17:35]
rithm all that text up above [17:36]
mircea_popescu << somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist" [17:36]
assbot Logged on 22-12-2014 22:14:11; jurov: << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property" [17:36]
mircea_popescu yet plenty of idiot muppets going "o noes, we tried to scam with 10 btc and it didn't work out like we wanted it to BLAME MP" [17:37]
mircea_popescu kinda why democracy is a fucking stupid idea. the only logical counterbalance to the common man's moral myopia is a solid grasp on the кнут. [17:38]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu is the next great khan... [17:39]
thestringpuller khan of khans! [17:39]
* thestringpuller has been watching too much netflix [17:39]
mircea_popescu i imagine neflix goes gangbusters mid to late decvember [17:40]
thestringpuller that was a good radio program. [17:41]
jborkl thestringpuller, i watched four episodes last night. [17:41]
jborkl i was really bored [17:42]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [17:42]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( ) [17:42]
thestringpuller jborkl: hit or miss right? my asian friend calls it "asian GoT without the dragons" [17:42]
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rithm i find personally offensive still [17:42]
assbot ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:42]
rithm perma-disagreement [17:42]
jborkl that is about right actually [17:42]
rithm afaik the rota thing was a mircea and wences setup [17:43]
rithm so everyone can blow me anyways [17:44]
mircea_popescu what's so offensive about it ? you had a chance to be like intelligent and prove the common man should have a voice. [17:44]
mircea_popescu you used it to prove the common man belongs silent. [17:44]
mircea_popescu either way, you know ? things should be what they are. [17:44]
rithm that's some sort of twisting of the facts. pay me to discuss it with you and I might. [17:45]
rithm i still have the full channel logs [17:45]
kakobrekla >The total damage steming from this latest naivity of mine is 150 BTC in owed salaries which become due in December < this was actually paid ? [17:46]
mircea_popescu what, trying to imply something's missing ? nothing's missing, it's all there. [17:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla myeah. [17:46]
kakobrekla to whom? [17:46]
mircea_popescu to, for instance, rithm [17:46]
rithm i can look up the txid if you need [17:46]
kakobrekla he got 50? [17:46]
mircea_popescu iirc rassah didn't want it because he didn't think he had done anything [17:47]
mircea_popescu which i can respek. [17:47]
rithm i still haz it if you want it back [17:47]
mircea_popescu nop. [17:47]
mircea_popescu teh great lesson of bitcoinz : there's no backsies. [17:48]
mircea_popescu i never had any idea, but liek... teh most fundamentally humane thing actually is going "hey, try again" [17:48]
mircea_popescu that is about as unnatural as it gets. [17:48]
rithm i'm not sure how someone'e else lack of decision making skills and causality and what-not becomes my failure [17:50]
rithm but whatevs [17:50]
kakobrekla seems like im listed in the judge list as well. just ftr i did not receive any compensation for my non-work (as i was not involved in a case). [17:52]
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mircea_popescu yeah you and a 2nd that never actually got to go on a jury didn't get anything. i think mebbe it was jurov ? [17:53]
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mircea_popescu !up Elio20 [17:54]
-assbot- You voiced Elio20 for 30 minutes. [17:54]
* assbot gives voice to Elio20 [17:54]
mircea_popescu anyway, better off this way, had the democratic delusions failed to explode we'd just have been belabouring under falsepremises for this interval mostl likely, wouldn't have the lordship list and the supremely valuable understanding of what hierarchy means in society and why equalitarianism is the fruit of the devil jacking off and so on. [17:55]
mircea_popescu or at least, i would have been. [17:55]
* rithm goes to kill himself [17:55]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol << speech isn't really a freedom at that point is it? [18:01]
mircea_popescu quite. [18:01]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many people noticed the subtle change from freedom of speech to an alleged "right" of free speech. [18:02]
thestringpuller << this guy [18:02]
mircea_popescu the difference between rights and freedoms being essentially the difference between pearl necklaces and dog collars. [18:02]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller not bad. [18:02]
mircea_popescu in any case : a freedom is something the people have, and the state can't take away. the rights are constructions that the state gives, and so the state can take away. [18:03]
mircea_popescu trading a freedom for a right is always a bad deal. [18:03]
mircea_popescu and it's what generally happens whenever a state claims to be "protecting rights". it's not protecting anything, it's stealing freedom and issuing in its place token "rights". which, much like its paper currency, are fiat worthlessness. [18:04]
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thestringpuller !up cornfeedhobo [18:04]
mircea_popescu << [18:09]
assbot Logged on 22-12-2014 23:21:23; mike_c: <+Anduck> if you have nothing to contribute, you don't need to type anything here... k? << have you been in this channel before? [18:09]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:49; mircea_popescu: yes. [18:09]
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mike_c it was more meant as a rebuttal to his comment. people who have nothing to contribute type in here often :) he was a glaring example. [18:13]
mike_c btw kakobrekla, i was thinking possible an easy solution to the whole problem of "negrated person won't leave" might be another command. like !recheck Anduck. then if his l2 is no good assbot boots him. [18:14]
mircea_popescu the link actually is to his previous bout of derping here [18:14]
mike_c it has been an issue at least once before [18:14]
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mircea_popescu mike_c what's the delay currently, like 15 minutes ? [18:15]
mike_c i believe it's infinite [18:15]
mircea_popescu people still can /ignore for that short interval, what's teh big deal [18:15]
mike_c until the person parts [18:15]
thestringpuller mike_c: there will always be netsplits [18:15]
mircea_popescu nah, !down works once l2 trust is <1 [18:15]
kakobrekla well, the delay is the duration of his connection, which isnt too bad considering this is freenode. [18:15]
mike_c no, !down doesn't work once l2 trust is <1 [18:16]
mircea_popescu o.O [18:16]
mircea_popescu what am i missing ?! [18:16]
joecool who is L2 trust between, mp and user? [18:16]
jborkl Jezzz joecool joesmoe julmac jurov justusranvier [18:16]
mike_c assbot and user [18:16]
mircea_popescu ;;google assbot joecool [18:16]
gribble Rating Details for User 'assbot' - Bitcoin OTC: ; PREV: 17-04-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 14-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: [18:16]
mircea_popescu i mean [18:16]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot joecool [18:16]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011 [18:16]
mircea_popescu !down joecool [18:16]
-assbot- mircea_popescu, you can't do that to joecool. [18:16]
mircea_popescu oh because l1 ? [18:16]
joecool i guess [18:16]
kakobrekla mno. [18:17]
mike_c but regardless, it doesn't work. person has to part. this is why kako had to boot anduck manually. [18:17]
mircea_popescu speak the word of god kako. why is it ? [18:17]
cazalla austeritysucks: csgo items mostly <<< if ya ever come back, lemme know the site [18:17]
kakobrekla if you up yourself, nobody can down you for the session. [18:17]
kakobrekla the trust is checked on up only. [18:18]
mircea_popescu would it be hard to check on !down too ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu leaving a loophole there deliberately where someone with >1 l1 and 0 l2 can still voice themselves [18:19]
mircea_popescu but can also be devoiced whenever [18:19]
mircea_popescu then we can count how often this happens to de-l1 people. [18:19]
kakobrekla no the 'problem' is that if gribble hops and you reup you will be able to down everyone who has not reupped or some shit like that [18:20]
mircea_popescu is this a notable problem ? [18:21]
joecool gribble nor fleanode are exactly reliable [18:21]
mircea_popescu i mean, suppose you do that. so ? people can just reup outside of your control, all you achieve is piss off the wot list. [18:21]
mircea_popescu which... why ? [18:21]
mike_c yeah, that would likely only happen once. [18:21]
kakobrekla ill see what i can do. [18:22]
mircea_popescu i like when he says that. [18:22]
mircea_popescu usually it ends up a little later with "here's the thing we were talking about, except i built it inside a submarine just in case. and here's some beer i brewed and by the way, do you know candi and brandi ? they're twins." [18:23]
mircea_popescu bwahaha irrogant. bashed [18:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00063513 = 8.1297 BTC [-] [18:25]
mircea_popescu alrighty, well, that was all for me today. hohoho an' merry xmas yo! [18:25]
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