Forum logs for 23 Dec 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [16:47] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com | [16:47] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014 | [16:47] |
-assbot- | Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. | [16:47] |
* | assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu | [16:47] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla pong | [16:47] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rated grubles | [16:48] |
gribble | You have not yet rated user grubles | [16:48] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;rate grubles -1 Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault. | [16:49] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user grubles has been recorded. | [16:49] |
mircea_popescu | re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing. | [16:50] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, the contract has a specific clause, 3(a)That no third party has offered verifiable proof as to the inaccuracy or incompleteness of the representations and warranties made herein and that no market makers, preferred traders and other significant investors of MPEx have publicly proffered doubt as to the accuracy or completeness of the representations and warranties made herein ; | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | he never availed himself of it, and that is exactly enough for constructive tacit agreement, just as good as if he swore to the whole thing. | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, the guy didn't protest at any point while rg was still running the thing, nor did he stand up to take over once rg fucked it up. | [16:52] |
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mircea_popescu | there was about a month there while namworld was struggling to salvage the thing. which meanwhile i think died again or what is it these days ? | [16:57] |
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thestringpuller | oh look it's a popescu! | [16:59] |
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mircea_popescu | heya thestringpuller | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | how goes the merryments ? | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | !up cornfeedhobo | [17:00] |
* | assbot gives voice to cornfeedhobo | [17:00] |
cornfeedhobo | gracias | [17:01] |
thestringpuller | They are interesting! I think my 3D artist has some renders as an XMas present for you. Hopefully chetty can help us get it in the engine sometime Q1. | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | for sure! | [17:01] |
thestringpuller | How is your vacation going? | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | pretty fun! | [17:01] |
thestringpuller | warmer than the n hemisphere i hope ;) | [17:02] |
thestringpuller | not that you'd need warmth with that harem of yours ;) | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | do you realise i've been pretty much here, and on -otc before that, almost every day for like three years straight ? | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | nuts if you say it outloud. | [17:02] |
thestringpuller | Well you do have highest word count for good reasons! | [17:03] |
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thestringpuller | so I work for the marketing department here as a developer. | [17:03] |
thestringpuller | in one of the meetings I almost went "marketing is rape" | [17:03] |
thestringpuller | and was about to start quoting trilema | [17:04] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [17:04] |
thestringpuller | haha! I have no idea why we spend so much on marketing. These designers are wasting their precious time. | [17:06] |
mircea_popescu | well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol | [17:06] |
joecool | heh return of rg to irc seems to be causing arguments in all the bitcoin-* channels | [17:08] |
kakobrekla | but he doesnt own his key anymore? | [17:09] |
joecool | kakobrekla: i thought that was just a rumor, for months everyone thought he sold his forum login too, yet he claims not since he came back to irc | [17:10] |
kakobrekla | dik. | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | joecool was a fact back then. | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | these things don't change over time i dun think. | [17:12] |
joecool | no i wouldn't expect that to change over time if true | [17:13] |
mats | it was entertaining to see Anduck chat again | [17:13] |
mats | feelings were hurt and words were had | [17:14] |
cornfeedhobo | mircea_popescu: sounds like a fun 3 years | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | guy's kinda add. | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 8 16:13:16 2012 | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | Apr 08 16:13:16 * Now talking on #bitcoin-otc | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | Apr 08 16:13:16 * Topic for #bitcoin-otc is: OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. | http://bitcoin-otc.com/ | http://bit.ly/x56Fd5 | Start with the ;;guide | Before trading, talk to people, and check ratings. | Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud | Trade Options: http://polimedia.us/btc | Bitcoin VPS: http://bitvps.com | BTC → MP @ http://btcpak.com | Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | Apr 08 16:13:16 * Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Wed Apr 4 06:47:00 2012 | [17:16] |
assbot | #bitcoin-otc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0f8w ) | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | ^going through old logs. | [17:16] |
assbot | Bitcoin-otc channel guidelines - bitcoin-otc wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0ikJ ) | [17:16] |
assbot | MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0gcJ ) | [17:16] |
assbot | BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0gti ) | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | does -otc still have sponsors or nomoar ? | [17:16] |
cornfeedhobo | i havent seen one in a year, i think | [17:17] |
joecool | -otc can't even pull together an events bot | [17:17] |
cornfeedhobo | afaik, the ops have one | [17:17] |
mircea_popescu | well, let it be a lesson to all aspiring states : don't allow gmaxwells anywhere near anything, or they'll shit up your future. | [17:17] |
cornfeedhobo | gmaxwell? i think i may have missed the drama involving him ... mind filling me in? | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | cornfeedhobo http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/ | [17:18] |
assbot | The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0Wid ) | [17:18] |
cornfeedhobo | hahaha "LOL @ #bitcoin-otc-nsfw is a danieldaniel free zone." | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | i think guy was like 16 or something at the time | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2012/04/07#l1333839931 << bitvps had one of those "vote your favorite face" thing | [17:21] |
assbot | BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx1FjD ) | [17:21] |
cornfeedhobo | he is 16 now. i have met him in NYC. not a fan. | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | a really ? i never kept too close track. just a kid wandered in one day. | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | 22:13 rg soon you guys can invest in BitVPS | [17:22] |
cornfeedhobo | he has gone out of his way too many times to be extremely rude. i found it fitting when he was hired by CoinBase | [17:22] |
cornfeedhobo | (customer support) | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | Apr 06 06:24:27 |
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mircea_popescu | Apr 06 06:25:10
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mircea_popescu | good old days lol | [17:23] |
cornfeedhobo | lol | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | cornfeedhobo isn't support the hell computer afficionados go to die in ? | [17:24] |
joecool | cornfeedhobo: still think the best was seeing a minor (danieldaniel) lend btc to a heroin addict (rg), -otc is always good entertainment | [17:26] |
cornfeedhobo | that is certainly what i have always thought | [17:26] |
cornfeedhobo | indeed | [17:26] |
cornfeedhobo | and cry about not getting it back. lol | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl: What was the rate, 7% per day? Or week << per week | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | but he had an insider deal where he paid the various captains of industry more so they got the idea to resell. | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | joecool when was this ? | [17:27] |
joecool | mircea_popescu: about a year or so ago | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | after my time. | [17:28] |
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jborkl | sweet action, 7% per week... seems so realistic | [17:29] |
thestringpuller | cornfeedhobo: danieldaniel is a weird kid. | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | at the time, bitcoin was a few dollars and basically nobody gave much of a shit. | [17:29] |
thestringpuller | he's trustworthy tho, or at least was. | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | eventually people started caring and it got crushed into the dirt, but for a year or so all sorts of bugs got to dance on the tools an' pretend. | [17:30] |
thestringpuller | I think he spends too much time in front of a computer and not enough time sleeping with girls. | [17:30] |
jborkl | yeah, the weekend btcst went bust it dropped to $8 | [17:30] |
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mircea_popescu | it was oscilating aroudn there, at some point prior the pirate muppet was "going to ruin the price" while it went from low 6s to 7s. | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | that was some lulzy log | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | i dun recall which chan it was in tho, some pricewatchers something | [17:31] |
thestringpuller | man i miss those days | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | i recall this one instance where i was going to buy some btc but the guy turned out to only have like 5 or so, and i was meh, for that much not worth my time going into paypal. | [17:33] |
assbot | cornfeedhobo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | !up cornfeedhobo | [17:33] |
-assbot- | You voiced cornfeedhobo for 30 minutes. | [17:33] |
* | assbot gives voice to cornfeedhobo | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | this was during that dry summer when it stayed at 2.x | [17:34] |
thestringpuller | ;;gettrust mircea_popescu gmaxwell | [17:34] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user gmaxwell: Level 1: -10, Level 2: 20 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011 | [17:34] |
thestringpuller | lol i think he is rated lower than magicaltux | [17:34] |
cornfeedhobo | thestringpuller: he is trustworthy because someone doxxed him a while back. even posted pictures of his mom. I never got the sense that it was genuine, but i could be wrong. | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | who ? | [17:34] |
thestringpuller | ;;gettrust mircea_popescu magicaltux | [17:34] |
cornfeedhobo | danieldaniel | [17:34] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user magicaltux: Level 1: -1, Level 2: -22 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010 | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | is danielmom hot ? | [17:34] |
cornfeedhobo | i dont recall | [17:35] |
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rithm | man o man | [17:35] |
rithm | all that text up above | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958826 << somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist" | [17:36] |
assbot | Logged on 22-12-2014 22:14:11; jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property" | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | yet plenty of idiot muppets going "o noes, we tried to scam with 10 btc and it didn't work out like we wanted it to BLAME MP" | [17:37] |
mircea_popescu | kinda why democracy is a fucking stupid idea. the only logical counterbalance to the common man's moral myopia is a solid grasp on the кнут. | [17:38] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu is the next great khan... | [17:39] |
thestringpuller | khan of khans! | [17:39] |
* | thestringpuller has been watching too much netflix | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | i imagine neflix goes gangbusters mid to late decvember | [17:40] |
thestringpuller | that was a good radio program. | [17:41] |
jborkl | thestringpuller, i watched four episodes last night. | [17:41] |
jborkl | i was really bored | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=340 bwahahaha | [17:42] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8fXl ) | [17:42] |
thestringpuller | jborkl: hit or miss right? my asian friend calls it "asian GoT without the dragons" | [17:42] |
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rithm | http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ i find personally offensive still | [17:42] |
assbot | ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8kKr ) | [17:42] |
rithm | perma-disagreement | [17:42] |
jborkl | that is about right actually | [17:42] |
rithm | afaik the rota thing was a mircea and wences setup | [17:43] |
rithm | so everyone can blow me anyways | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | what's so offensive about it ? you had a chance to be like intelligent and prove the common man should have a voice. | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | you used it to prove the common man belongs silent. | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | either way, you know ? things should be what they are. | [17:44] |
rithm | that's some sort of twisting of the facts. pay me to discuss it with you and I might. | [17:45] |
rithm | i still have the full channel logs | [17:45] |
kakobrekla | >The total damage steming from this latest naivity of mine is 150 BTC in owed salaries which become due in December < this was actually paid ? | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | what, trying to imply something's missing ? nothing's missing, it's all there. | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla myeah. | [17:46] |
kakobrekla | to whom? | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | to, for instance, rithm | [17:46] |
rithm | i can look up the txid if you need | [17:46] |
kakobrekla | he got 50? | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | iirc rassah didn't want it because he didn't think he had done anything | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | which i can respek. | [17:47] |
rithm | i still haz it if you want it back | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | nop. | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | teh great lesson of bitcoinz : there's no backsies. | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | i never had any idea, but liek... teh most fundamentally humane thing actually is going "hey, try again" | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | that is about as unnatural as it gets. | [17:48] |
rithm | i'm not sure how someone'e else lack of decision making skills and causality and what-not becomes my failure | [17:50] |
rithm | but whatevs | [17:50] |
kakobrekla | seems like im listed in the judge list as well. just ftr i did not receive any compensation for my non-work (as i was not involved in a case). | [17:52] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah you and a 2nd that never actually got to go on a jury didn't get anything. i think mebbe it was jurov ? | [17:53] |
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mircea_popescu | !up Elio20 | [17:54] |
-assbot- | You voiced Elio20 for 30 minutes. | [17:54] |
* | assbot gives voice to Elio20 | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, better off this way, had the democratic delusions failed to explode we'd just have been belabouring under falsepremises for this interval mostl likely, wouldn't have the lordship list and the supremely valuable understanding of what hierarchy means in society and why equalitarianism is the fruit of the devil jacking off and so on. | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | or at least, i would have been. | [17:55] |
* | rithm goes to kill himself | [17:55] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol << speech isn't really a freedom at that point is it? | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | quite. | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder how many people noticed the subtle change from freedom of speech to an alleged "right" of free speech. | [18:02] |
thestringpuller | http://www.livingstondaily.com/story/news/local/community/brighton/2014/12/21/cursing-teen-mill-pond-ignites-debate-freedom-speech/20745957/ << this guy | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | the difference between rights and freedoms being essentially the difference between pearl necklaces and dog collars. | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller not bad. | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | in any case : a freedom is something the people have, and the state can't take away. the rights are constructions that the state gives, and so the state can take away. | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | trading a freedom for a right is always a bad deal. | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | and it's what generally happens whenever a state claims to be "protecting rights". it's not protecting anything, it's stealing freedom and issuing in its place token "rights". which, much like its paper currency, are fiat worthlessness. | [18:04] |
* | assbot removes voice from cornfeedhobo | [18:04] |
thestringpuller | !up cornfeedhobo | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958919 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924338 | [18:09] |
assbot | Logged on 22-12-2014 23:21:23; mike_c: <+Anduck> if you have nothing to contribute, you don't need to type anything here... k? << have you been in this channel before? | [18:09] |
assbot | Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:49; mircea_popescu: yes. | [18:09] |
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mike_c | it was more meant as a rebuttal to his comment. people who have nothing to contribute type in here often :) he was a glaring example. | [18:13] |
mike_c | btw kakobrekla, i was thinking possible an easy solution to the whole problem of "negrated person won't leave" might be another command. like !recheck Anduck. then if his l2 is no good assbot boots him. | [18:14] |
mircea_popescu | the link actually is to his previous bout of derping here | [18:14] |
mike_c | it has been an issue at least once before | [18:14] |
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mircea_popescu | mike_c what's the delay currently, like 15 minutes ? | [18:15] |
mike_c | i believe it's infinite | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | people still can /ignore for that short interval, what's teh big deal | [18:15] |
mike_c | until the person parts | [18:15] |
thestringpuller | mike_c: there will always be netsplits | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | nah, !down works once l2 trust is <1 | [18:15] |
kakobrekla | well, the delay is the duration of his connection, which isnt too bad considering this is freenode. | [18:15] |
mike_c | no, !down doesn't work once l2 trust is <1 | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | what am i missing ?! | [18:16] |
joecool | who is L2 trust between, mp and user? | [18:16] |
jborkl | Jezzz joecool joesmoe julmac jurov justusranvier | [18:16] |
mike_c | assbot and user | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google assbot joecool | [18:16] |
gribble | Rating Details for User 'assbot' - Bitcoin OTC: |
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mircea_popescu | i mean | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot joecool | [18:16] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011 | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | !down joecool | [18:16] |
-assbot- | mircea_popescu, you can't do that to joecool. | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | oh because l1 ? | [18:16] |
joecool | i guess | [18:16] |
kakobrekla | mno. | [18:17] |
mike_c | but regardless, it doesn't work. person has to part. this is why kako had to boot anduck manually. | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | speak the word of god kako. why is it ? | [18:17] |
cazalla | austeritysucks: csgo items mostly <<< if ya ever come back, lemme know the site | [18:17] |
kakobrekla | if you up yourself, nobody can down you for the session. | [18:17] |
kakobrekla | the trust is checked on up only. | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | would it be hard to check on !down too ? | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | leaving a loophole there deliberately where someone with >1 l1 and 0 l2 can still voice themselves | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | but can also be devoiced whenever | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | then we can count how often this happens to de-l1 people. | [18:19] |
kakobrekla | no the 'problem' is that if gribble hops and you reup you will be able to down everyone who has not reupped or some shit like that | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | is this a notable problem ? | [18:21] |
joecool | gribble nor fleanode are exactly reliable | [18:21] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, suppose you do that. so ? people can just reup outside of your control, all you achieve is piss off the wot list. | [18:21] |
mircea_popescu | which... why ? | [18:21] |
mike_c | yeah, that would likely only happen once. | [18:21] |
kakobrekla | ill see what i can do. | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | i like when he says that. | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | usually it ends up a little later with "here's the thing we were talking about, except i built it inside a submarine just in case. and here's some beer i brewed and by the way, do you know candi and brandi ? they're twins." | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | bwahaha irrogant. bashed | [18:24] |
* | assbot removes voice from Elio20 | [18:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00063513 = 8.1297 BTC [-] | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | alrighty, well, that was all for me today. hohoho an' merry xmas yo! | [18:25] |
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