Forum logs for 23 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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ben_vulpes	http://qntra.net/2014/10/caleb-chen-stephanie-murphy-brian-sovryn-assist-ponzi-scheme/#comment-19226 << v active this williamdunne	[00:00]
assbot	Caleb Chen, Stephanie Murphy & Brian Sovryn Assist Ponzi Scheme \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyziy )	[00:00]
ben_vulpes	https://github.com/redline6561/coleslaw << trinque i think might actually use hutchentoot	[00:03]
assbot	redline6561/coleslaw · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QlynLY )	[00:03]
trinque	ben_vulpes: do it	[00:03]
trinque	I was eyeballing it as a rest interface generator thinger before tripping over postgreset	[00:03]
trinque	*grest	[00:03]
ben_vulpes	http://zerolength.com/ << heh although this is a pretty good blog title	[00:03]
assbot	RANT EVAL BLOG LOOP ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qlyw22 )	[00:03]
trinque	not that it does that, but building one in it	[00:03]
ben_vulpes	postgrest ++	[00:04]
ben_vulpes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nox57hdgeAU << i'll be the last to goooooooo	[00:07]
assbot	Del Amitri - Always The Last To Know - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qlz9bQ )	[00:07]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), send me "!up" in a private message to get an OTP. You must have a sufficient WoT rating. If you do not have a WoT account or sufficient rating, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary voice.	[06:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00031961 = 13.5195 BTC [-] {2}	[07:12]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market buttfinex	[07:26]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 235.07, Best ask: 235.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 235.24, 24 hour volume: 16683.3115803, 24 hour low: 232.83, 24 hour high: 238.99, 24 hour vwap: None	[07:26]
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williamdunne	;;later tell mircea_popescu do you know how long each encryption/decryption takes on MPEX for submitted orders?	[07:42]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[07:43]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Would you mind sharing it with me?	[07:44]
williamdunne	wondered it for a while	[07:44]
williamdunne	*about it	[07:44]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-draws-near-its-end-vessenes-out-as-chairman/	[07:44]
assbot	Page not found \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ga5WIC )	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	encryption may be vulnerable to timing, which is why schemes are made to work in equal time.	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo b-a adds another head to its panoply.	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	i suppose asciilifeform won't agree he was beheaded, of course, because "still walks".	[07:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: At this point we'll have to start husking them so we can put smaller jars on the shelves which only accomodate whatever was in the cranium.	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	b-a's collection of very small empty jars!	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	like java!	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	hm scoopbot's dead for good huh	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/the-triviality-of-slaying-the-surviving-socialist-beast/	[07:48]
assbot	Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYJU0c )	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell peterl dude i get it, you gotta job, but you can't just leave. gotta make arrangements, who's gonna run scoopbot now ? where's the repository ? etc.	[07:49]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	why's the rg style so common ffs.	[07:49]
jurov	why not?	[07:51]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski Maybe you can do a scoopbot for your coding learning and to discover what makes contravex RSS so weird	[07:53]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	'cause we're adults ?	[07:53]
jurov	you know, it's that "quit a job, forget everything instantly" kind of adults	[07:55]
jurov	fuckyeahmurica: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/04/teacher_terrified_by_surprise.html	[07:57]
assbot	Teacher terrified by surprise 'active shooter' drill in eastern Oregon schoolhouse files federal lawsuit \| OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYLijj )	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	jurov i'd be afraid to get married. "well son... your dad left for a pack of ciggs back in 2012"	[07:57]
jurov	yes, happens	[08:05]
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jurov	!mpif	[08:09]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	!up scoopbot_revived	[08:10]
-assbot-	You voiced scoopbot_revived for 30 minutes.	[08:10]
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mircea_popescu	lol whossat	[08:10]
scoopbot_revived	Just having a crack at re-building scoopbot	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	our bots fucking live, for crying out loud.	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	generations, heavy stuff.	[08:12]
scoopbot_revived	Seems like he is dead	[08:13]
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scoopbot_revived	!register 8501B2A64453796C5FD544B296C4CF3215685733	[08:13]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 8501B2A64453796C5FD544B296C4CF3215685733. This may take a few moments.	[08:13]
assbot	No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne kinda what i meant. "live" in the general, old man dies, son takes its place, stuff like that.	[08:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00031803 = 3.9277 BTC [-]	[08:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00031258 = 6.7674 BTC [-]	[08:22]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_panama	[08:33]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_panama for 30 minutes.	[08:33]
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ascii_panama	how to not love Spam Air	[08:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60850 @ 0.00033196 = 20.1998 BTC [+] {5}	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	any vikings aboard ?	[08:40]
ascii_panama	spmodin himself	[08:40]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[08:42]
ascii_panama	and similarly, derpistans where a working mains socket is unheard-of	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	oh, pics of the coin thing	[08:51]
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ascii_panama	which one	[08:52]
ascii_panama	the charger? it was in viruviru	[08:53]
ascii_panama	and, interestingly, right next to a normal mains socket	[08:53]
ascii_panama	folks who noticed, queued up for the latter	[08:53]
ascii_panama	didn't remember to take a pic of this idiocy, it was best i could do to avoid sleeping. for:	[08:53]
ascii_panama	if you sleep in viruviru, clench the muscles of yer zero	[08:54]
ascii_panama	(anyone is welcome to better formula)	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[08:54]
ascii_panama	they even halted boarding because dog snorted	[08:55]
ascii_panama	ended up trotting it out, again, sniffing bags	[08:55]
ascii_panama	asked 'why'. monkey: 'porque bolivia'	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[08:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00032806 = 11.154 BTC [-]	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	Subject: Marriage	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	From: "Antonina"	[08:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29331 @ 0.00032802 = 9.6212 BTC [-]	[08:58]
ascii_panama	lolwut	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	"Hi. I want to be with a man who wants to start a strong relationship and who can care of his beloved woman. Are you independent and tender man? I would be happy to get know each other better! I am a attractive and affectionate lady. I can add that I am well-tempered and romantic. "	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	such is the nature of the beta male that "romantic" (aka, sexually dysfunctional) is a selling point	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	(hey, she sucks at fucking, which means better men won't take her from me!)	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi what "well tempered" is supposed to mean, but perhaps resilient, which is in fact a corner stone of feminity.	[09:00]
ascii_panama	waiwut	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	use it in a sentence.	[09:00]
ascii_panama	this is a work of spmodin, not meant to be understood by man	[09:01]
ascii_panama	no one actually reads and believes any of this.	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	it is meant to be understood by "man", yes.	[09:01]
ascii_panama	cargocult.	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	maybe. tho... the derps on fetlife...	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	allow me to quote, 1 sec	[09:01]
ascii_panama	anyone who might end up with the notion that there is something to buy into here, could not possibly have money - on account of profound clinical retardation	[09:02]
ascii_panama	but in the abstract - the notion that xxx might reliably have sex, vs a specimen who won't, is a 'selling point', yes	[09:03]
ascii_panama	dan mocsny's 'smv' is market like any other.	[09:04]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_panama http://dpaste.com/0R6RVZJ << there.	[09:09]
assbot	dpaste: 0R6RVZJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx7Wh5 )	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	40 imaginary millions.	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	kickstarter, the works.	[09:09]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_panama	[09:11]
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ascii_panama	danke BingoBoingo	[09:12]
ascii_panama	re: the spam thread: mircea_popescu laughs, but market consisting solely of 'mazerati' does not make sense	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	how does market consisting solely of symbolics machiens make sense then ?	[09:13]
ascii_panama	it doesn't	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	!b 3	[09:13]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19FXFXK.txt )	[09:13]
ascii_panama	though marginally more plausible	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	we shall keep this in our compartment.	[09:13]
ascii_panama	machines are far easier to produce than hot gurlz	[09:13]
ascii_panama	and no one has ever been turned down by a lisp mach.	[09:13]
ascii_panama	these differences are not unimportant.	[09:14]
BingoBoingo	ascii_panama: Depends on the production scale	[09:14]
ascii_panama	any scale.	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway, ftr, men over 60 are BY FAR the most vulnerable demographic.	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	not that I care, fuck em, but as far as truth goes.	[09:15]
ascii_panama	this is obvious to a doorknob	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	i find it particularly poetic that they should get raped with a spiked club, incidentally.	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	were they better men, we wouldn't be here.	[09:16]
ascii_panama	what else could possibly happen to them ?	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	depends on the context. but in the pseudocivilised west, nothing else.	[09:17]
ascii_panama	better men, wut ?	[09:17]
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mircea_popescu	aha ?	[09:21]
ascii_panama	'were they better men, we wouldn't be here.' << ?	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[09:22]
ascii_panama	better how ?	[09:22]
ascii_panama	used better birthcontrol ?	[09:22]
ascii_panama	or what	[09:22]
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mircea_popescu	either better whips or better castration knives, sure.	[09:24]
ascii_panama	some nonzero portion of socialistoidderp is 'revenge' of low-smv folks against the high. dan mocsny observed this and it is a hypothesis with some explanatory power.	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	aha	[09:28]
mats	tomorrow AMZN will release earnings, esp as rel. to AWS	[09:28]
BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/4RJGkYrh.png << Better	[09:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxb3Wr )	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	mats got anything riding on it ?	[09:29]
mats	i bought a few shares	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	curious how this plays out	[09:29]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_panama	[09:36]
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mircea_popescu	ahahaha turns out fetlife has a group dedicated to me nao.	[09:37]
BingoBoingo	lol	[09:37]
BingoBoingo	Do they still call you Trilema?	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/fetlife-has-a-group-dedicated-to-me-now.png	[09:38]
assbot	Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxcp3h )	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	imagine!	[09:39]
ascii_panama	woah what is that even written in	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	lua ?	[09:40]
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mircea_popescu	lmao and apparently they brigaded a bunch of random people off twitter/facebook too.	[09:41]
ascii_panama	oil the 'maxims', it's a meatwave.	[09:43]
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ben_vulpes	probably the last users	[09:46]
ben_vulpes	d'you know - i saw "respond via what's app" on some ad while en el sur?	[09:47]
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mircea_popescu	apparently it's popular wherever people don't have money.	[09:49]
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mircea_popescu	splendid internets business model.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	!up scoopbot_revived	[09:49]
-assbot-	You voiced scoopbot_revived for 30 minutes.	[09:49]
*	assbot gives voice to scoopbot_revived	[09:49]
ascii_panama	mircea_popescu: it isn't like other chat gizmos cost money...?	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	so what pays the server bills ?	[09:50]
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mircea_popescu	the hope that they one day may be sold shit, for money.	[09:50]
williamdunne	Would it be possible to give scoop some rep so he can !up himself?	[09:50]
ascii_panama	the bezzle pays for the box	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	yes. what handle you settled on ?	[09:50]
ascii_panama	'jam tomorrow' ad infinitum.	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	ascii_panama but the bezzle is nothing but an interface oin that same api.	[09:50]
williamdunne	scoopbot_revived but I don't mind changing it	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	works for me	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	!rate scoopbot_revived 1 Valliant Sir Scoop Bot the Third.	[09:51]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5b2072419749c169	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.scoopbot_revived.1:50e37ded45b3e1b6a16c1f7892b4cbeefeaa8dcbc329df3facc92c1ea744a106	[09:51]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for scoopbot_revived with note: Valliant Sir Scoop Bot the Third.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	!rated assbot	[09:51]
assbot	You rated user assbot on 12-Apr-2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: Nuclear sub delivered 2 days before order while paying me $500.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	!rated deedbot-	[09:51]
assbot	deedbot- is not registered in WoT.	[09:51]
williamdunne	Tanks Mircea	[09:52]
mircea_popescu	!rated scoopbot	[09:52]
assbot	scoopbot is not registered in WoT.	[09:52]
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williamdunne	Wahey, successfully !ups himself	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	wd.	[09:54]
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ben_vulpes	;;ud crumbs	[09:55]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crumbs \| Crumbs. 1. A small light amount of something 2. An expression of dismay. 1. What small i garnish my chicken with? I know bread crumbs 2. Oh crumbs i've left ...	[09:55]
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ben_vulpes	crumbs?	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes from what i've been explained, it's so that the tribe of a user gets a reference they can follow in their flux	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	discussions are otherwise opaque but for the "x commented on y" notifications everyone gets.	[09:57]
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mircea_popescu	"I read your update ... I understand how it makes you feel and I understand your concerns ... I am not saying he didn't do anything wrong and I think he is the ultimate douchebag mixed with disrespectful on so many levels ... but fetlife has been filled with writings about that list. And having someone's screenname is not exactly going to make it easy to find them in most cities ... so he is actually getting exactly th	[09:59]
mircea_popescu	e reaction he wants ... he is a huge attention slut! And we are just giving him exactly what he wants ..."	[09:59]
mircea_popescu	such a perfect fucking storm. admire the dilemma these poor people face. if they stfu about it, well... then they're kneeling in silent abjection before the man, right ? just like the man said.	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	but if they don't... what, fetlife becomes mplife ?	[10:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00031408 = 4.8682 BTC [-]	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	the dilemma, the one true mark of the simple mind stretched to fit holes larger than it ever possibily could.	[10:01]
ascii_panama	separate out the top pets, then ???, then - profit ?	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	i am aware this may be hard to impossible to believe, but srsly, i act from cause.	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	that baku scammer dude should have fixed his site in pass 1 and thank me for it.	[10:02]
*	ascii_panama finds this quite easy to believe	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	"Did anyone notice that he has 4 volumes or that at the bottom he has everything copyrighted? How the hell do you copyright someone's personal information?"	[10:03]
*	ascii_panama did not imagine that mircea_popescu seriously -needed- the actual pieces of this piñata for anything in particular	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	the ridiculous thing about copyright is that i actually have a perfectly valid claim to the copyright of the lists i published. copyright attaches to selection of material.	[10:03]
williamdunne	Okay, what blogs would you guys like to see in scoop? Currently thinking Contravex, Qntra, Trilema, btcalpha. Probably missing a few.	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	shit the list is lost too ?!	[10:04]
williamdunne	Well, I don't know where to find it, happy to just use the old list though	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne : btcalpha.com btctrading.wordpress.com cascadianhacker.com contravex.com devilsadvocate.biz explo.yt fr.anco.is www.loper-os.org pankkake.headfucking.net qntra.net blog.spagni.net thedrinkingrecord.com thestringpuller.tumbler.com thewhet.net trilema.com	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	feel free to not include anything that has no posts this year	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	subject to owner bitching here and getting back in	[10:05]
mike_c	bitch!	[10:05]
*	ascii_panama guilty	[10:06]
mike_c	(for btcalpha.com)	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	well get on with it dawgs! once per quarter for crying out loud, it's like fucking.	[10:06]
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ben_vulpes	bitching!	[10:07]
ben_vulpes	also probably guilty	[10:07]
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mircea_popescu	"this guy is a complete disrespectful, arrogant asshole. Reading his "blog" literally made me feel ill."	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_panama	[10:07]
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mircea_popescu	this would be the purpose and the mark of art, right nubbins` ?	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	;;seen nubbins`	[10:08]
gribble	nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 8 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: oh right, yeah	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	what happened to him anyway ? wasn't he just about to confront the weirdo guy subletting from him when he disappeared ?	[10:08]
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williamdunne	Don't think cascadian has a feed	[10:09]
ben_vulpes	ha yeah that's right fu rss	[10:11]
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mircea_popescu	so how you gonna be included ?	[10:11]
ben_vulpes	inclusion is for teh masses!	[10:11]
ben_vulpes	!s the site is the feed	[10:11]
assbot	1 results for 'the site is the feed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+site+is+the+feed	[10:11]
ben_vulpes	!s the post is the feed	[10:12]
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ben_vulpes	imma rewrite it in ruby on rails this wknd	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	o noes bencash, wai u rewrite in fetlife!	[10:12]
ascii_panama	snobol on slugs	[10:12]
ascii_panama	intercal on ichtheosaurs	[10:13]
ascii_panama	brainfuck on buruli ulcer.	[10:13]
ben_vulpes	i think my lulzmuscles are exhausted from con	[10:13]
BingoBoingo	Ruby Riding Rail	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	dude so much mileage of this stuff. "Why is my post deleted again al hackers let unit until we find the fucker and break his site and get the scumbag" ;	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	"Is there a way we can drag him into the light of day. Out him for the misogynous bastard he is? The name links to a lot of Bitcoin info... Same guy? If it is, I wonder how potential investors would feel about his cyber-terrorist behavior."	[10:14]
ascii_panama	!s ruby sybian	[10:14]
assbot	1 results for 'ruby sybian' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ruby+sybian	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	i suppose at this rate mpoe-pr will have to be conscripted again.	[10:14]
ascii_panama	mircea_popescu: give'er a 'maxim'	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	but i mean... wait. "out him" ? how is this supposed to work for the love of god.	[10:15]
ascii_panama	none of this deserves the individual shot-in-head attention imho	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	the barristas are all upset and so i change my mind about things ?	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	ascii_panama allow me to quote poetry to you!	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	"Trăind în cercul vostru strâmt norocul vă petrece ; ci eu în lumea mea mă simt nemuritor și rece."	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	it's kind of fascinating, i'm a little boy at heart, i just lifted a rock and omfg the grub it covered!	[10:16]
ascii_panama	i did something very vaguely similar once, with the 'clojure' post	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	was it unpleasant ?	[10:17]
ascii_panama	even though no one was pwned or otherwise physically disciplined - the derp continues to this day.	[10:18]
ascii_panama	it was hilarious!	[10:18]
ascii_panama	is, still.	[10:18]
ascii_panama	the sheer struggle of the morons to avoid reacting to the kick in the face	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	well you will notice that nothing happened here also. it's just ... what was that word, for an item that breaks minds ? it was visual in the original sf novel. like a fractal.	[10:18]
ascii_panama	pretending that there was not, and could not have been, a kick, or a face to kick	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's a sort of memetic prion. a certain kind of broken mental software can not gaze upon this thing, it collapses into a new foldage.	[10:19]
ascii_panama	and tht what they're spitting isn't -really- teeth	[10:19]
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mircea_popescu	"He could fall under international terrorism law as a cyber terrorist, if I am not mistaken."	[10:20]
ascii_panama	!s blit	[10:20]
assbot	6 results for 'blit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blit	[10:20]
ascii_panama	^ it.	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	ah yes the blit	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	i suppose as the legal concept is defined in english, this factually is terrorism.	[10:21]
mircea_popescu	what brave new world.	[10:21]
ascii_panama	of course there were earlier stories. one involving a record player, for instance. and if one thinks, the whole thing goes back to at least medusa	[10:21]
mircea_popescu	ascii_panama medusa broke the hardware, so to speak, whereas these things are more akin to ... normal education.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	as per plato's education : in a cave bereft of light, light hurts the eyes. in a world where education's a long lost tech, education hurts the mind.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	"This makes me sick. He is dangerous...this is just the start of his twisted mind" physically sick. like photomigraine sick.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	puking and everything.	[10:22]
ascii_panama	especially if the only lesson resulting is 'go eat a nagant'	[10:23]
ascii_panama	because many of the students are quite far gone	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	i am not so convinced.	[10:23]
ascii_panama	that they will resist this lesson, should surprise no one.	[10:23]
ascii_panama	i mean, yes 'we don't do solutions' (TM) (R) but what'd you have'em do ?	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	you know what the tango instructor was saying "the woman must resist the man's intention. if she does not, and just takes off, the guy's left there wondering who is he dancing with. the air ?"	[10:24]
ascii_panama	homo redditicus, that is	[10:24]
ascii_panama	aha?	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	feedback is important for dancing like it is important for HIDs, like is important here.	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	i don't contemplate the notion that resistence is an omen of eventual failure.	[10:25]
ascii_panama	it isn't simply about this particular instance of resistance though	[10:26]
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mircea_popescu	you can't mistreat a sixteen year old on the grounds that your 50yo ex wife was a harpy.	[10:26]
ascii_panama	homo redditicus is not homo sapiens and i know of no means of pulling off the transformation	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	well, that'd be its problem.	[10:26]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: ever figure varnish out?	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/29MWTSE << if this isn't the mark of complete anomie i have no idea what it'd be. check it out, the un raporteur. ima go hang out with milosevici and gadaffi nao, because derps may not ever be upset!	[10:29]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes stopped looking about the time i said yest. y ?	[10:29]
ben_vulpes	just axin	[10:31]
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williamdunne	Ok, ScoopBot should now be working, won't know until someone makes a new post though	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/3877PYR << this derp left a buncha http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iv/#comment-113813 yest.	[10:34]
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mircea_popescu	williamdunne actually i was gonna write a spec, soi i guess brb	[10:34]
williamdunne	Ideal	[10:34]
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mircea_popescu	mk, should be 10-20 minutes.	[10:48]
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williamdunne	Perfect, just found a bug I will need to fix which will take about the same	[10:48]
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mats	mircea_popescu: "Verifies key material was created by a GnuPG version ulterior to 1.4.10 and prior to 1.4.20" << what should happen if --no-emit-version is included as a flag?	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	warning.	[10:50]
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mircea_popescu	also it is a very good iudea to ask all job board qs on the article	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	will get lost in here and cause confusion	[10:50]
mats	ok	[10:51]
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mats	gnupg source is gnarly	[10:55]
williamdunne	Fixed	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[10:56]
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williamdunne	There we go, now optimized as well	[11:00]
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mircea_popescu	from the notbad.jpg department https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/3012/3012469/00050ed8-dec0-dc1e-5847-c7d97a41c51b_720.jpg	[11:14]
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lobbes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1107743 << thanks for pointing this out. I can't unsee now	[11:26]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 02:54:07; ben_vulpes: lobbes: "and omitting to state material facts." << something trips my native engrish filter in this	[11:26]
lobbes	Such an old article that it probably isn't worth bothering BB or cazalla to edit, however	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	i don't see the problem ?	[11:27]
lobbes	should be "omitting material facts"	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[11:27]
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mircea_popescu	dude this shit is epic. fetlife essentially exists as a sort of liverjournal, it comes out.	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	a fine example : http://dpaste.com/1XW1CVH	[11:30]
assbot	dpaste: 1XW1CVH ... ( http://bit.ly/1d4nE9l )	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	what happened ? some derp tied up a professional model he barely knew, and then fingered her. she had no idea he was going to finger her, and didn't care for it.	[11:31]
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lobbes	williamdunne: wd on scoopbot revival. Now we gotta get pete_dushenski to post something; that'll be the real test ;)	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	what this turns into is a massive one year saga where the guy's manager becomes jealous at the guy's new girlie (depicted above), and then badmouths him and then he tries to talk to the original model who comes out in favour of the slighted ex	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	and on and on AND ON it goes. they are ALSO calling on the un raporteur for terrorism. it's also abuse, rape, victims, trauma, the works.	[11:32]
williamdunne	lobbes: Hope for the best - looks like it should be working. On the first parse manages to pull his articles	[11:32]
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mircea_popescu	"You violated my consent, my body and my trust. You made me doubt my love for rope and my career as a professional model. What you did is legally considered as rape, and YOU are not allowed to minimise it for your own interest. YOU are only allowed to be sorry, certainly not to be upset at anyone for letting other people know what you did."	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	apparently, as the female mind goes, men have agency only with their permission or something.	[11:33]
lobbes	'You made me doubt my love for rope' lel	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	well i can see that point.	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like how bad management makes boys doubt their love of computers, and idiot teachers make kids generally doubt their love of books.	[11:34]
williamdunne	I can understand being upset at being raped as-well, assuming it wasn't one of the new-fangled versions of "rape"	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	but bad management ain't rape.	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne as the old expression goes in porn, "if you're naked, you're fucking"	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	girl doesn't wanna, girl stays off the set.	[11:35]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: I can understand that position, but equally someone walking home, being dragged into a hedge and raped is certainly, most definitely rape - but I don't know that backstory of what you're talking about here	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne " what happened ? some derp tied up a professional model he barely knew, and then fingered her. she had no idea he was going to finger her, and didn't care for it."	[11:36]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Yeah I'd say that probably counts as some form as rape. In the same way that stealing a handbag from inside a locked house is burglary	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	the guy is a total douche, as far as his emails let on, and the woman is both smarter and more collected than him, for sure. they weren't a good fit anyway.	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne because why, penetration ?	[11:38]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: pretty much	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	if you go in for a prostate exam and doc sticks finger in you without asking specifically, also rape ?	[11:38]
williamdunne	If I didn't go there for a prostate exam, yeah I'd guess so	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	how about dentist ? i don't recall a dentist ever asking me if it's ok to fuck up my teeth.	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	well it's where it gets iffy. no idea what they ACTUALLY went there for.	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	she has a story, he has another, as it would be the case.	[11:39]
williamdunne	Its definitely 'iffy', but people are particularly sensitive about their sensitives	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	surely.	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	and i;m not saying it's good or anything, or that the woman should not protest or anything.	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	but if you call every bicycle a tank soon enough the army's going to be riding into battle on clown materiel.	[11:40]
chetty	if you get naked and let a guy tie you up seems to me its not rape, got to take some responsibility for getting to that point.	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	well, they were making a display.	[11:41]
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williamdunne	chetty: Sounds like she was expecting to be photographed	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	actors act naked all the time without an expectation on any one's part to end up fucking on stage.	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	which i suspect is what the woman was thinking.	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	(there's also a major historical angle of [seazy beta] males pushing women into sex via "art")	[11:41]
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chetty	responsibilty ...make sure before you do it ...get it in writing	[11:41]
williamdunne	Easiest way to get a girl naked is to stick her in front of a camera, no?	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	yeah they ARE playing pretty fast and incredibly loose by now.	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck ties up a woman he doesn't own.	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	i don't mean know. i mean own.	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne yeh, but it resolves none of the fundamental problems. you're still you, she's still her, the situation just got more volatile. just like pushing the gas pedal doesn't make one either less drunk or better a driver.	[11:43]
williamdunne	Generally natural escalation seems like a better idea	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway, remarkable how little thought is given to the puppet master (Vanessa Veronique apparently) getting all these shenanigans in motion to get even at the 60yo derp that found a 20yo slut.	[11:45]
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mircea_popescu	that she was his "manager" and violated his trust by anti-representing him is not a point of concern, not even for people so finely tuned to the iffy intricacies of you know, the violation that occurs should a finger stray into a slit.	[11:46]
chetty	priorities	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	heh	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	she's 40 something, which conceivably means she was once the "deeply in love" LolaBlake	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, anyone seen "all about eve" ?	[11:47]
williamdunne	Nope	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	great film.	[11:49]
williamdunne	Summary?	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	pretty much the same.	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	what else is one to make a film about ?	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/all-about-eve/ there	[11:51]
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lobbes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1106236 << aha. "excuse me, fellas, but this bottom shelf liquor will get us -just- as drunk"	[11:52]
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scoopbot_revived	New post; Vessenes Foundation Draws Near Its End, Vessenes Out As Chairman url; http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-draws-near-its-end-vessenes-out-as-chairman/	[11:57]
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williamdunne	Looks alive	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	somehow hasn't seen trilema yet. how often does it poll ?	[11:58]
williamdunne	Had to make him multi-threaded to get the IRC library work -.-	[11:58]
williamdunne	15 seconds	[11:58]
williamdunne	But I think he had it loaded up before he started because I stopped when you released :/	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	eh, a minute or even 5 should be plenty.	[11:59]
williamdunne	Yeah 15 seconds for testing purposes, I'll change that on next restart	[12:00]
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pete_dushenski	goooood morning	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	ola	[12:07]
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pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: what's this about me not spending 'enough' time in channel ?	[12:07]
pete_dushenski	people think blog posts write themselves, comments answer themselves, books read themselves, i swear	[12:08]
scoopbot_revived	New post; Windows Servers Pwn'd By JPEG Uploads url; http://qntra.net/2015/04/windows-servers-pwnd-by-jpeg-uploads/	[12:08]
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mircea_popescu	it werks.	[12:08]
pete_dushenski	o hello scoopbot_revived	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	i guess ima edit the maintainer. mats am i putting you on the key server ?	[12:08]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: i'd love to be here more. i'm here as much as i can!	[12:09]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: thx for the line correction	[12:09]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: also, speaking of 'we', any updates on dat lordship list from c3 ?	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	was briefly discussed, not came to much	[12:10]
pete_dushenski	mmok	[12:11]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: seems like williamdunne is too fast for me!	[12:11]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Well, his bot still needs to pass the qntravex test	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne yeah was that a complete rewrite or what ?	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	you found teh github ?	[12:12]
trinque	mircea_popescu \| well you will notice that nothing happened here also. it's just ... what was that word, for an item that breaks minds << star trek used this against the borg, could've been ripped off from a novel	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	iirc that was just a banal virus	[12:14]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: s_r didn't pass qntra yet ?	[12:15]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Passed the qntra part, now faces your vex	[12:15]
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williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Complete rewrite, but needs some fixing. Found some bugs	[12:15]
pete_dushenski	indeed.	[12:15]
pete_dushenski	perhaps later today i'll stumble across something in the logs or in the news.	[12:16]
pete_dushenski	for sure tomorrow at the latest	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/ << anyone willing to read this and put it on youtube or w/e ?	[12:19]
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mircea_popescu	!rated williamdunne	[12:19]
assbot	You rated user williamdunne on 12-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: new blood.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	!rate williamdunne 2 scoopbot the 3rd	[12:19]
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mats	mircea_popescu: sure, put me on the keyserver project	[12:19]
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mircea_popescu	that was fast enough.	[12:20]
williamdunne	Thank you very much	[12:20]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: i'll read the poem and post it	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	cool!	[12:23]
pete_dushenski	i'll try it today but i'm a little stuffed up, still recovering from last week's mega-fiesta, so if it doesn't sound great i'll re-do it tmrw	[12:24]
pete_dushenski	williamdunne: curious, what do you mean by "Generally they're against inflation of block sizes, not an increase."	[12:30]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: From what I can tell the objection you all have is that Gavin's suggestion is constant inflation, as opposed to the block-size being anything other than 1mb	[12:32]
pete_dushenski	the block size could be 512kb i guess	[12:33]
pete_dushenski	bigger than 1mb though ? not in the foreseeable future	[12:34]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Ah so you actually want it permanently at 1mb or lower?	[12:34]
pete_dushenski	to the extent that scarcity is the goal because scarcity is a key driver of value, then yes	[12:34]
pete_dushenski	i'd want 2mb blocks like i'd want 42 mn coins	[12:35]
trinque	how bout just fill the bucket before considering marrying a larger bucket?	[12:35]
pete_dushenski	^	[12:35]
williamdunne	trinque: I agree, but thats different to a permanent cap	[12:36]
pete_dushenski	right, it really doesn't matter what i want so much as what's practically needed	[12:36]
williamdunne	I don't see why you're saying that you'd want the transaction capabilities tied to the number of coins issued though	[12:37]
pete_dushenski	i don't, i could've just as well said 'like i want a hole in the head'	[12:37]
pete_dushenski	or 'like i want hiv'	[12:38]
pete_dushenski	but again, not that it so much matters what i want	[12:38]
ben_vulpes	man it doesn't matter what's needed or wanted or anything	[12:39]
ben_vulpes	bitcoin is	[12:39]
ben_vulpes	usg can break it like they broke gpg, but that broken thing will not and cannot be bitcoin	[12:39]
trinque	311.63 633.87 417.2 112.43 126.75 271.06	[12:42]
trinque	last few blocks in kB	[12:42]
williamdunne	I definitely agree that too large blocks would break it, but I also think that if bitcoin is to grow we will need bigger blocks	[12:42]
trinque	williamdunne: so let it bang into the ceiling and see what people do	[12:43]
ben_vulpes	williamdunne: you're missing the point.	[12:43]
ben_vulpes	if a thing exists with a block size that is not one megabyte, /that thing is not bitcoin/.	[12:43]
williamdunne	trinque: Sure, thats what I would advocate too	[12:44]
ben_vulpes	also what is this "to grow" nonsense.	[12:44]
trinque	ben_vulpes: that sounds like a tautology	[12:44]
trinque	bitcoin is bitcoin because it is bitcoin	[12:44]
ben_vulpes	nitrogen is nitrogen because of the arrangement of electrons in valence shells.	[12:44]
williamdunne	trinque: Bitcoin currently worth x potatoes, bitcoin in the future to be worth y potatoes	[12:44]
ben_vulpes	is that still a tautology?	[12:44]
trinque	no, that example is not	[12:45]
ben_vulpes	so if you change the block size, you get deuterium.	[12:45]
williamdunne	It wouldn't be bitcoin of today but it would still be bitcoin	[12:45]
williamdunne	"If I cut my hair, am I still williamdunne"	[12:45]
trinque	ben_vulpes: it is currently unknown what an appropriate blocksize would be	[12:46]
trinque	1mb seems to be a reasonable cap	[12:46]
trinque	but is not magic	[12:46]
trinque	the way to find out what a good blocksize would be is to let the thing bang into the ceiling so we know what that looks like	[12:46]
ben_vulpes	what then distinguishes bitcoin from XXXcoin?	[12:46]
ben_vulpes	i guess they're all bitcoin or something retarded like that	[12:47]
ben_vulpes	appropriate shmappropriate.	[12:47]
ben_vulpes	it's as magic as 21M.	[12:47]
ben_vulpes	what's the worst case scenario of hitting that ceiling?	[12:47]
trinque	my point is you're claiming to know more than you do	[12:47]
trinque	not that 1mb isn't the right value	[12:47]
williamdunne	The blocksize is a limiting factor of its usage, 21m doesn't thanks to 8 decimal places	[12:48]
trinque	one will know what happens when the blocksize limit is reached ... when the blocksize limit is reached	[12:48]
ben_vulpes	i'm saying that "right" doesn't matter.	[12:48]
ben_vulpes	21me8 then, williamdunne.	[12:48]
ben_vulpes	trinque: you gotta have a hypothesis about what's going to happen, man.	[12:48]
ben_vulpes	especially if you're even sort of supporting this blocksize change derpage.	[12:48]
trinque	fees, and prioritizing transactions according to them	[12:49]
trinque	I don't support anything, much less this	[12:49]
ben_vulpes	so no technical fears then?	[12:49]
trinque	1mb is "yeah that's probably big enough"	[12:49]
williamdunne	ben_vulpes: Hypothesis; if we ever get to the point where we are completely filling blocks and fees start going through the roof, either growth will halter or it will fork - and the 1mb version will be virtually barren	[12:49]
ben_vulpes	the thing about bitcoins is that it a system that conserves, and resists diddling in the vein of fiat economies.	[12:49]
ben_vulpes	williamdunne: alternatively, the big blocks version will be populated with retards.	[12:50]
ben_vulpes	and what is this "growth" thing you keep banging on about?	[12:50]
ben_vulpes	usd denominated value of bitcoins /literally does not matter/	[12:50]
ben_vulpes	"oh gosh so we can all be richer in the fyooooture instead of working today" sort of nonsense	[12:51]
williamdunne	ben_vulpes: Of course it matters, its a network. More people = more useful. I don't see how that can be anything but an objective truth.	[12:52]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: these i suppose are the muppets you're looking for.	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne what if in going from 5 to 10 you lose the one worth 1 and gain 5 worth .1 each ?	[12:53]
ben_vulpes	williamdunne: is not the inability to interdict funds enough for you?	[12:53]
ben_vulpes	williamdunne: is not the hard cap of 21M of the thing enough for you?	[12:53]
ben_vulpes	such progress.	[12:53]
trinque	ben_vulpes: I'm not going to accept being called a muppet for saying we're not in a position to evaluate an appropriate block size, therefore changing it is unwise.	[12:53]
ben_vulpes	not you, trinque	[12:53]
trinque	well GOOD	[12:53]
trinque	:)	[12:53]
ben_vulpes	sheesh	[12:53]
ben_vulpes	touchy tatiana, you	[12:54]
williamdunne	ben_vulpes: Yes, its very useful. But the value of your coins will inflate fast if its just 12 people using it over and over.	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	...	[12:55]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Sorry not entirely sure what you mean	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	that's not what inflation is.	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne you have 5 users. one of which is worth "1 unit of useful". you dd 5 more. they together are worth 0.5 units of useful.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	becuase of this addition, that one leaves.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	you have now grown and are worth less.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	this happens ALL THE TIME.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	it's nto even the exception, it is the rule. facebook today is not worth 1/10 of what facebook was worth in 2005	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	adding more people, especially if adding more people SELECTED by the criteria that "they are poor, stupid and usleess enough to need to be added specifically" is a recipe for making your thing worth less.	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	not more.	[12:57]
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williamdunne	mircea_popescu: That seems counter-intuitive, I'm not trying to over-value the poor and stupid here.	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	really ?	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	you ever held a party ?	[12:59]
williamdunne	Yep, but seems like a relatively invalid comparison	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	don't tell, show.	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	why does it seem so ?	[13:02]
williamdunne	Because I don't have to talk to everyone using bitcoin at the same time nor put up with their noise (in particular, anyway)	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	that is exactly what you have to do.	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	it's worse, because a) every party participant is stuck b) keeping ~complete~ records of the whole thing c) forever. it's not just a process thing like the party. it's that you have to write their noiise down, and pay for warehouses.	[13:05]
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williamdunne	But in return you have more potential users of your XYZ business, and more potential to operate profitable businesses that are less-than-possible in the fiat world	[13:06]
lobbes	but it isn't the currency that makes your business profitable	[13:07]
pete_dushenski	williamdunne: but the barriers to entry are lower in the fiat world	[13:07]
pete_dushenski	and bitcoin quite likes keeping those barriers high	[13:07]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Well that depends on what you are doing	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah, in return "but there could be cute girls"	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	no, there won't be. it will be a bunch of fucktarded dudebros, that aren't even legal to drink.	[13:08]
williamdunne	lobbes: Sure, but it alters things massively. Just-Dice with 7 billion potential customers is better than Just-Dice with 2,000,000 potential	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	which is why clubs have those big guys at the door.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	clubs i'd go to, anyway.	[13:08]
pete_dushenski	pubs, walk right in, fulla 'dudebros'	[13:08]
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mircea_popescu	"more value"	[13:09]
lobbes	those 7 billion customers aren't necessarily worth more than those 2 million	[13:09]
williamdunne	lobbes: In terms of bitcoin? no, in terms of potatoes? yes	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	because you imagine there's an intrinsic minimum value for "human beings"	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	there isn't.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	you also imagine there is a cap. there isn't a cap.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	one guy can and usually is worth more than an entire country.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	we have this situation right now in argentina, for instance, and there's 40mn of em derps.	[13:10]
williamdunne	Yeah, but that one guy isn't going to be betting all his money on Just-Dice, collectively there is a lot of value to exploit	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	this is wishful thinking.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	there's no value "collectively". there seems to be, currently, because the usg / ag etc are propping them up on borrowed money.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, poor people are a liability not an asset. they are below zero.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	every large enough operation has this set of accounts that are below water - cost more to service than they're worth. which is why fiat banks are charging per account	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	which is why obamacare, etc.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	the truth is that for about half of the us, the marginal benefit of spending another 1k per capita on their health is unrecoverable, as they won't produce in excess of that 1k. ever.	[13:15]
trinque	ben_vulpes: aint even mad; and I agree that any modified thing may not merit being called bitcoin	[13:15]
ben_vulpes	every large enough operation has this set of accounts that are below water - cost more to service than they're worth. which is why fiat banks are charging per account << myeah i got some of these	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	the bait and switch thing here is that the "modified thing" can only exist by itself, so it really needs us to you know, give up on bitcoin proper.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	much like paper dollars can only exist if there's no strong currency and "welfare states" in a world without rhodesia and so on.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	soviets need closed borders.	[13:16]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108229 << but i do agree with that point. we have nfi.	[13:19]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 15:41:28; trinque: ben_vulpes: it is currently unknown what an appropriate blocksize would be	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	it's just that the "larger = better" argument is rank nonsense.	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	we might well discover that actually 1mb is way too much, and all we can afford is less.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	hopefully this won't be the case, but the way moore's law is going...	[13:22]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: let us not neglect the headache of coordinating a blocksize change	[13:31]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i have the top floor of la poesia entirely to myself	[13:33]
pete_dushenski	!up saulimus	[13:34]
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pete_dushenski	!up diato	[13:34]
pete_dushenski	!up diatonic	[13:34]
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diatonic	I can't figure out the new process to !up myself with assbot	[13:34]
pete_dushenski	;;seen thestringpuller	[13:34]
gribble	thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 1 second ago: ^- close the bet	[13:34]
pete_dushenski	odd.	[13:34]
diatonic	I can decrypt the string	[13:35]
pete_dushenski	then tell assbot '!v '	[13:35]
diatonic	ahh, thanks	[13:35]
diatonic	couldn't find that info anywhere	[13:35]
pete_dushenski	np.	[13:35]
pete_dushenski	!help	[13:35]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[13:35]
pete_dushenski	^for future reference	[13:36]
ben_vulpes	who're you, diatonic?	[13:36]
ben_vulpes	friend of ascii*?	[13:37]
diatonic	ben_vulpes, I don't really know why I lurk in here. I used to be pretty active in #bitcoin-otc and joined this channel some time ago.	[13:38]
diatonic	Wanted to get more in to trading	[13:39]
Pierre_Rochard	pete_dushenski: actually got a text message from thestringpuller this morning, he’s still alive!	[13:41]
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pete_dushenski	Pierre_Rochard: hey no way! good news.	[13:43]
felipelalli	pete_dushenski: I didn't know the shortcut "!v", I always type "!verify", thanks.	[13:43]
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williamdunne	OK, I think ScoopBot should behave himself now	[13:49]
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ben_vulpes	don't think, test :P	[13:51]
williamdunne	Can't test until there is a new post unfortunately	[13:51]
lobbes	can't you put a dummy blog in the list and test?	[13:52]
williamdunne	Well, I could but it would be more difficult than it is worth, so I'll just wait until a post comes up	[13:52]
williamdunne	Yeah, that'd be the easyish way, don't have a blog I can use to test it on atm	[13:52]
*	lobbes doesn't really know, just curious	[13:52]
lobbes	create a blogspot or something? I have no idea if blogspot outputs data in the same way that scoopbot reads the others, but it is free and fairly quick to create one	[13:54]
williamdunne	I'll stick up a wordpress	[13:56]
BingoBoingo	Look at the derps herping that nopeone wants their terp http://wptavern.com/wordpress-org-now-requires-theme-authors-to-use-the-customizer-to-build-theme-options	[13:58]
ben_vulpes	Can't test /me raises an eyebrow	[13:58]
assbot	WordPress.org Now Requires Theme Authors to Use the Customizer to Build Theme Options ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXoaQI )	[13:58]
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williamdunne	ben_vulpes: It was more out of laziness	[14:00]
ben_vulpes	isn't it always...	[14:01]
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williamdunne	!up diatonic	[14:05]
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scoopbot_revived	News! I am scoopbot URL: https://scoopbot.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/i-am-scoopbot-2/	[14:07]
assbot	I am scoopbot \| scoopbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXpumF )	[14:07]
williamdunne	Its alive	[14:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00029651 = 3.4988 BTC [+]	[14:14]
BingoBoingo	mod6: On the foundation page "This sotware is provided by The Bitcoin Foundation `as is' and any express or implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are disclaimed."	[14:16]
mike_c	wusses :)	[14:16]
Pierre_Rochard	dogecoin “creator” upset that his new altcoin launch flopped: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33lwye/creator_of_dogecoin_i_see_no_longterm_future_for/	[14:23]
assbot	Creator of Dogecoin - "I see no long-term future for #Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies at this point" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXrZW1 )	[14:23]
Pierre_Rochard	context: https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/33hdvo/feedback_needed_neucoin_distribution_to_dogecoin/	[14:23]
assbot	Feedback needed: NeuCoin distribution to Dogecoin holders : dogecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXs4Jc )	[14:24]
williamdunne	Pierre_Rochard: Lottery winning janitor annoyed new lottery ticket didn't win	[14:26]
Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: swears loudly that he’ll never play the lottery again. such threat. very wow.	[14:27]
williamdunne	many regrets	[14:27]
Pierre_Rochard	buy high sell low will do that	[14:27]
williamdunne	does the nakamoto institute have an RSS feed?	[14:30]
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Pierre_Rochard	yup http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/feed/	[14:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yXtxiC )	[14:31]
Pierre_Rochard	posting has been… sporadic as of late	[14:31]
ben_vulpes	THANKS MIKE_C	[14:31]
williamdunne	Awesome, yeah, I've been hoping for more articles. Anyone got any objections to adding the nakamotoinstitute to scoopbot?	[14:32]
ben_vulpes	YOUR FEEDBACK IS AS ALWAYS INVALULOL	[14:32]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/3NGVDY3.txt	[14:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yXu44k )	[14:34]
pete_dushenski	williamdunne: i'd vote against krawisz being added. if Pierre_Rochard or bitstein were writing...	[14:36]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Technically I can filter by author, but I know I personally like all of their writing	[14:36]
williamdunne	But if thats what people want me to do..	[14:37]
Pierre_Rochard	pete_dushenski: daniel has not written on the block size issue specifically at SNI	[14:37]
pete_dushenski	if you can filter by author for pierre and mike, i'd say go for it	[14:38]
mike_c	ben_vulpes: don't get mad at me because the foundation has tiny balls.	[14:38]
mike_c	bingo is the one who pointed it out :D	[14:38]
Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: I would say neh just on account of inactivity for the time being	[14:39]
trinque	mike_c: dunno why they'd vouch for the quality of something they haven't rewritten fully yet	[14:39]
Pierre_Rochard	if/when we start putting up more content I’ll advocate for adding it	[14:39]
williamdunne	Pierre_Rochard: Sure thing, I won't add it then. It doesn't really use any resources in particular to add it but your call	[14:40]
pete_dushenski	Pierre_Rochard: true, but he's hoisted himself on his own petard on a few other topics	[14:40]
pete_dushenski	eg 'who controls bitcoin'	[14:40]
Pierre_Rochard	pete_dushenski: ah fair enough.	[14:41]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Don't suppose I could have a link?	[14:41]
Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: bitstein has his own blog but I see no RSS http://bitstein.org/blog/	[14:41]
assbot	Blog \| Bitstein \| Bitstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXvko7 )	[14:42]
Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/who-controls-bitcoin/	[14:42]
assbot	Who Controls Bitcoin? \| Satoshi Nakamoto Institute	[14:42]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Oh yes, I remember the article now. What did you object to in it?	[14:43]
williamdunne	Pierre_Rochard: Thanks for the link to his personal blog, I'll have a read	[14:43]
pete_dushenski	"We'll assume that there is some real disagreement about whether the upgrade is a good idea because if there was not, then there would be no problem."	[14:44]
pete_dushenski	not much of an assumption upon which to base an entire article	[14:44]
pete_dushenski	everyone here is pretty well decided, and so it is	[14:44]
pete_dushenski	whatever's outside are but the fans at home telling the coach what plays to call	[14:44]
williamdunne	Seems like a fair statement, if there is a change everyone agrees on the only issue is those too lazy to update	[14:44]
pete_dushenski	or it would be if this was about opinions instead of what must be done for survival	[14:45]
Pierre_Rochard	I thought it was a fine post, the only issue being it’s context and subtext	[14:45]
Pierre_Rochard	its8	[14:45]
Pierre_Rochard	its*	[14:45]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Would you have preferred it had he worded it as your choice is based upon the choices of those superior in your WoT? i.e if BitPay is at the top of my WoT (lol) and they are on newcoin, I'll be on newcoin	[14:47]
williamdunne	Or if Mircea, oldcoin	[14:47]
pete_dushenski	tbh i dun really care what he does.	[14:48]
pete_dushenski	he can 'teach the controversy' all he wants but he's going to end up grouped alongside monsanto for it	[14:48]
pete_dushenski	"Most nodes are dead weight." << also rubbish	[14:49]
pete_dushenski	"An upgrade which allows for larger block sizes is also likely to be adopted because the current limit of 1 MB will eventually limit Bitcoin's value as a form of money." << idem.	[14:49]
pete_dushenski	kid never read the logs, what can you expect ?	[14:50]
Pierre_Rochard	ah forgot that sentence was in there! unacceptabru	[14:51]
pete_dushenski	anywho, off to yoga. later gang!	[14:51]
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williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Enjoy	[14:51]
Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: I’m also putting together my own personal blog, I’ll let you know once I have an RSS feed put together	[14:52]
scoopbot_revived	News! Confirmation of Life - 30 minute test URL: https://scoopbot.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/confirmation-of-life-30-minute-test/	[14:52]
assbot	Confirmation of Life – 30 minute test \| scoopbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gbt6hJ )	[14:52]
williamdunne	Pierre_Rochard: Yes please	[14:52]
williamdunne	Okay, so scoopbot's concurrency now definitely works. Yay.	[14:53]
trinque	williamdunne: nice	[14:56]
mats	that feeling when you sit down and the seat is still warm	[15:04]
mats	an intimate moment where two butts reach across the cosmos and touch for an instant	[15:05]
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lobbes	poetry by mats	[15:07]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108347 <<< tell him to quit his sulking and come back, i still <3 him afterall	[15:08]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 16:36:57; Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: actually got a text message from thestringpuller this morning, he’s still alive!	[15:08]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: I was pointing out "sotware"	[15:08]
mike_c	fine, leave me out on a limb	[15:09]
mike_c	do foundation emails have a disclaimer at the bottom telling me to delete it if i got it in error?	[15:09]
mike_c	(I don't really care about this though, disclaim away)	[15:10]
mats	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/world/asia/2-qaeda-hostages-were-accidentally-killed-in-us-raid-white-house-says.html << so, when's the trial and who's gonna hang?	[15:12]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0nVGi )	[15:12]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108367 <<< plz no brony shit kthx http://memecrunch.com/meme/I4UY/fat-brony/image.jpg	[15:13]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 17:02:06; scoopbot_revived: News! I am scoopbot URL: https://scoopbot.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/i-am-scoopbot-2/	[15:13]
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BingoBoingo	dammit	[15:19]
BingoBoingo	fxd	[15:19]
williamdunne	cazalla: updated for you	[15:19]
scoopbot_revived	News! MtGox Trustee has 200k Bitcoins, Creditors to Line Up as Bankruptcy Progresses URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/mtgox-trustee-has-200k-bitcoins-creditors-to-line-up-as-bankruptcy-progresses/	[15:19]
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ben_vulpes	cazalla: i found a bronies store in bsas. was completely baffled.	[15:42]
cazalla	imagine taking your kids to some junk toy store for some made in china plastic shit only to find grown ass men clamouring over your daughter to reach the toys before she can get to them	[15:44]
williamdunne	Men might be a little generous	[15:44]
scoopbot_revived	News! Ransomware Inception URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/ransomware-inception/	[15:50]
assbot	Page not found \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0vzQV )	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i have nfi why anyone would care what shittomatic says	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	i mean obviously, they want access to the walled garden of idiots, but this is a mirage.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	i guess takes time for kids to learn what mirages are.	[15:50]
cazalla	i wonder if there is a small business to be had recovering family photos/video for people infected by that shit? charge them twice the amount of the ransom (paid upfront of course)	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	lol Pierre_Rochard. these twerps are all on the same rubber band. 1. mp wrote we're shit because mp's jealous, not because we're shit. 2 ??? 3. bitcoin doesn't exist.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	Awesome, yeah, I've been hoping for more articles. Anyone got any objections to adding the nakamotoinstitute to scoopbot? << it all depends on whether they continue pushing insanities a la gavincoin.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	mike_c what'd they specifically say tho ? "we guarantee this code with ..." ? what ... ?	[15:53]
mats	http://arxiv.org/pdf/1502.07373v2.pdf 'The Spy in the Sandbox: Practical Cache Attacks in JavaScript'	[15:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I0wdOh )	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	mats understand, the bdsm thing is not drastically intended to be secure.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	it's just intended to be web secure.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	you won't be able to make browser gossipd that'd for damned sure.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: I was pointing out "sotware" << sotware lol. as in, "you sot"!	[15:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00029028 = 4.8186 BTC [-]	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne refresh me, what is dunnecapital ltd uk ?	[16:01]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Was the name of an exchange I am working on	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	btcentralplus.com ?	[16:02]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: thats the ISP I used to have?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	oh derp. fucking isps lol	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	grep found it because obvously, "btc".	[16:03]
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williamdunne	btc entral plus exchange, pretty catchy	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	aanyways. you actually intend to develop that bdsm thing ?	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	it's a huge time investment, and it really won't work halfway.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	if it works at all. max guy doesn't have a point about women, but he does have a point about stupid.	[16:05]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: I can do it, but I'm not hugely interested in running it as a business	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	how'd you intend to do it ?	[16:05]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Well either I'd make it so it almost completely handles itself, or let someone else run it after I build it	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	that part i got.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	i don't see specifically whatr running. you can't moderate it anyway.	[16:06]
williamdunne	Well dependent on the business model it could be easy or complex	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	this is still pretty vague. but my q was more technical-oriented. i dunno if "facebook clone" package exists. seems likely it might.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	one could conceivably bolt extant js to that be done in a day.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	if product a bit shoddy.	[16:08]
williamdunne	Ah sorry, well it depends. Obviously its a pretty lose spec but I'd probably go for something that has all the basic functionality built on a probably ASP stack, rather than doing anything too fancy with pretty colours everywhere	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	asp.net, srsly ?	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	what was multibet in ?	[16:09]
williamdunne	PHP even worse, yeah asp or phoenix framework	[16:09]
williamdunne	Maybe D... but less likely	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	i don't even think anyone has windows servers	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	certainly the first time i heard this one proposed.	[16:10]
williamdunne	Its pretty good, all ties in really well with various meta-db layers	[16:10]
williamdunne	Same with Elixir really	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	it's a good thing alf's in the air.	[16:11]
williamdunne	Yes, I know you're less fond of windows aha	[16:11]
williamdunne	But its a BDSM site storing data encrypted client-side, hardly need for uber security	[16:11]
trinque	get you a postgresql, son	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	there's two problems here. one being that if nobody has windows servers nobody can, in an emergency say, provie a backup.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	so maintainability.	[16:12]
williamdunne	trinque: I normally use postgre	[16:12]
williamdunne	trinque: Well thats a lie, I normally do if working in Elixir/Phoenix	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	the other is that well, we don't know how efficient it is. ie, how much bw/packetage/userbase it can support per mm of hardware.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	does something like gluster even exist for mvc ?	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	or we the clustering thing is called, gaproxy ?	[16:13]
trinque	mircea_popescu: replication at the db layer is what's called for there	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	does it work ?	[16:14]
williamdunne	I don't have any statistics about performance but I've found it works pretty well. I've only done basic clustering before using it tbh, doing things like sharing secrets for authentication	[16:14]
trinque	if you're read heavy works great, if you're write heavy gets harder	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	this promises to be the worst mix.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	ie, reads and writes	[16:14]
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williamdunne	Surely all of the heavy-writing would just be in the form of files	[16:15]
trinque	seems like a social thing calls for a message queue	[16:15]
williamdunne	Can't imagine it would be all that write-heavy	[16:15]
mats	https://wapiflapi.github.io/2015/04/22/single-null-byte-heap-overflow is purty	[16:16]
assbot	Visualizing a single null-byte heap overflow exploitation · @wapiflapi	[16:16]
trinque	williamdunne: what is it, just profiles and people sending messages and comments, etcd?	[16:16]
trinque	*etc	[16:16]
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williamdunne	trinque: Yeah, and photos which obviously would just be in a file container	[16:17]
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trinque	postgresql is a badder beast than most think	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne lots and lots of updates.	[16:18]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: I can't imagine it would ever become a problem for SQLserver, if it did we could just shard it like hell. Its not like it needs sub 1 second latency on everything	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	nah, for all i care make a fixed 2 second delay.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	encourage user to think before posting	[16:19]
williamdunne	Exactly, so we could shard the database a stupid amount, and stick half of it in NoSQL for things like private messages	[16:19]
trinque	nosql is a terrible idea man, always	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	im not proposing it's an unapproachable problem by any means.	[16:20]
trinque	your data storing thing should be aware of structure	[16:20]
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trinque	otherwise that ends up being implemented in shitty form in the app layer	[16:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00029253 = 2.7498 BTC [+]	[16:20]
williamdunne	trinque: Meh, less of an issue for relatively basic data like private messages	[16:20]
trinque	sure, everyone always thinks they can handle reimplementing the database until complexity grows to a point where it falls inward on itself	[16:21]
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trinque	code gets littered with message v1 v2 v3 handling code, and you become less and less able to reason about the concept "message"	[16:22]
williamdunne	trinque: Either way, it anything high volume like that can be done in interesting ways	[16:22]
trinque	I've seen multi-billion row postgresql clusters with heavy writes	[16:23]
williamdunne	Like it could be done via a separate system like facebook uses which uses a queue to commit to DB, but can be received before committed to the DB	[16:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25315 @ 0.00029435 = 7.4515 BTC [+] {3}	[16:23]
trinque	williamdunne: yeah that's more acceptable	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	what's fb run on anyway ?	[16:23]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Its frankenstein's monster	[16:23]
trinque	afaik they use a lot of mysql among myriad other things	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	i'd expect.	[16:24]
williamdunne	A bit of PHP, a bit of C++, a bit of D	[16:24]
williamdunne	D for builds only though, in fairness	[16:24]
williamdunne	Oh	[16:24]
williamdunne	Erlang for messaging system	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	lol so fiverr is now skimming 50 cents off each job.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	the crunch is on, bejesus.	[16:24]
williamdunne	They've been doing that for a while now	[16:25]
trinque	gogo monetization	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	this is going to be such a sad year for "web startups"...	[16:25]
williamdunne	Have you seen those Eris labs guys?	[16:25]
williamdunne	At the forefront of "the blockchain of things" lo	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	vaguely.	[16:26]
trinque	"embedding values"	[16:26]
trinque	stomach is already turned	[16:26]
williamdunne	eris industries thats the one, christ	[16:26]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108439 what did you do to teh poor nigga ???!!!	[16:27]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 18:03:53; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108347 <<< tell him to quit his sulking and come back, i still <3 him afterall	[16:27]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski cazalla still alive. just very busy in meatspace.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	!rated thestringpuller	[16:27]
assbot	You rated user thestringpuller on 01-Feb-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I dunno that he's ever pulled any strings..	[16:28]
williamdunne	we have a pulse	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller dude, listen up. i'm not going to whack you, but you gotta learn to underpromise and overdeliver.	[16:29]
thestringpuller	yup. learning requires lessons which each have their various costs.	[16:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00029028 = 2.7577 BTC [-]	[16:32]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market buttchina	[16:37]
gribble	BTCChina BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 235.5633, Best ask: 235.564914, Bid-ask spread: 0.00161, Last trade: 235.55523, 24 hour volume: 78611.17550000, 24 hour low: 234.03, 24 hour high: 238.12149, 24 hour vwap: 235.614537073	[16:37]
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jurov	http://tiffzhang.com/startup/ heh gut	[16:49]
assbot	Startup Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1Doemvi )	[16:49]
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williamdunne	jurov: Painfully realistic	[16:51]
jurov	http://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=49029980379 hahaha you can use this for the bdsm job	[16:52]
assbot	Startup Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1d5HeCk )	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	what is with the popped collars @girl!	[16:53]
scoopbot_revived	News! Test Post URL: https://scoopbot.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/test-post/	[16:56]
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mircea_popescu	are you making fun of my good friend in rome ?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	biggus dickus ?	[17:12]
hanbot	lol	[17:12]
williamdunne	welease wodewick	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	>D	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7_oNBT9wsc	[17:22]
assbot	Release Woger - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oinzjc )	[17:22]
williamdunne	Emperor Pilate is one of the handles I use online	[17:24]
fluffypony	I still have nightmares about the rabbit of Caerbannog	[17:33]
williamdunne	Fetch the holy hand grenade	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	haha. five nightmares ?	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	in other news,	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/5e7348e00b74e649b22d2a86f271fa0a/tumblr_mp19tzTnVt1ssy9wfo1_1280.jpg	[17:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OiqfNQ )	[17:36]
williamdunne	I've found a piece of blogging software I really like, but its written in node so now I'm conflicted	[17:36]
williamdunne	Noice	[17:36]
BingoBoingo	williamdunne: rewrite it?	[17:41]
williamdunne	BingoBoingo: Considered it, could just create my own blogging platform but thats probably more effort than its worth. Only got like 3.5k views in the week	[17:41]
cazalla	http://fusion.net/story/124655/why-bitcoins-male-domination-will-be-its-downfall/ "The lack of women in Bitcoin isn’t just an issue of equality. It’s a fundamental weakness of the currency itself." ok guy whatever	[17:43]
assbot	Why Bitcoin's male domination will be its downfall \| Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1OirUTr )	[17:43]
fluffypony	lolwut	[17:44]
fluffypony	what's next	[17:44]
fluffypony	"Why computing's male domination will be its downfall"	[17:44]
fluffypony	so looking forward to everyone abandoning computers for the abacus and typewriters	[17:45]
fluffypony	"Why spaceflight's male domination will be its downfall"	[17:45]
fluffypony	"Why commercial piloting's male domination will be its downfall"	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	they are kinda lulzy.	[17:45]
fluffypony	"Why wine making's male domination will be its downfall"	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	the english internet sounds more and more like a 11 yo girl's summer camp.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	o srsly, you swear never to get involved with boys because they're mean ? that's nice honey.	[17:46]
*	fluffypony hands them a sports bra and a fuck off	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway. bitcoin's elitism and the horde's pretentiousness is setting the stage for some pretty hardcore raping and pillaging down the road.	[17:46]
trinque	fluffypony \| "Why computing's male domination will be its downfall" << now the real reason for the forced feminization of Turing took place; moar women in tech!	[17:46]
fluffypony	lol	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	somehow the idiots have lost all humility, and have absolutely no conception that yes indeed, in most situations going on your knees and begging is the correct response.	[17:47]
hanbot	williamdunne> BingoBoingo: Considered it, could just create my own blogging platform but thats probably more effort than its worth. Only got like 3.5k views in the week << it's either worth the effort or not on its own merits, effects have no place in the consideration there, eh?	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	hanbot honestly it's kinda not worth the effort. a wp 2.x can be hacked into enough blog platform for what one could conceivably need.	[17:48]
hanbot	so what, that which can be frankensteined into working doesn't deserve to be made as a whole, from the start?	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	nah, just, this particular thing is kinda derpy to begin with. who cares special stones to throw at dogs ?	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	pick up whatever's handy.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	"blogging. a tech problem not worth solving"	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	cms-ing moar generally. ben_vulpes prolly has the right idea.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	it was born essentially as the first bezzle thing, "we'll make you a Content Management System" to justify X agency spending more on a website than it's worth.	[17:50]
hanbot	i see. well, at least this is an argument against the thing itself rather than its possible outcomes.	[17:53]
BingoBoingo	General CMS seems solved http://werc.cat-v.org/ the blogging flavor could use twerk	[17:55]
assbot	werc - A sane web anti-framework ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oiurgy )	[17:55]
*	fluffypony wouldn't touch WordPress with a bargepole	[18:00]
fluffypony	I'll stick to Jekyll, thanks	[18:00]
*	williamdunne well personally I'm going to go back to my charcoal and cave wall	[18:04]
trinque	I tend to prefer static sites where they can be had	[18:08]
trinque	not much to break	[18:08]
trinque	that most web framework things expect to regenerate each page every time is insane	[18:08]
trinque	"but this is how we've always done it!"	[18:09]
trinque	yes and paper should be printed right as you are turning the page	[18:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00029028 = 1.3353 BTC [-]	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	trinque you seriously can run a site as flat html and just awk it into submission	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	better than serving dynamically anyway	[18:15]
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trinque	indeed, for many sites it's exactly the right way	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	in retrospect, i suspect my above comments were more a reflection of my personal disinclination to put anything into cms/blog platforms. seeing how trilema already exists.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	!up Naphex	[18:16]
-assbot-	You voiced Naphex for 30 minutes.	[18:16]
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ben_vulpes	but commmenttttssssss!	[18:17]
hanbot	trinque yup. plenty of places online i have the distinct feeling of waving my hands around in front of the auto paper towel dispenser, to no avail, spits an ungrippable corner now and then...so -futuristic-.	[18:17]
trinque	lol	[18:17]
Naphex	o/	[18:17]
ben_vulpes	adios buenos aires!	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	adios !	[18:22]
trinque	bon voyage, see ya in the asylum	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	how goes Naphex	[18:24]
hanbot	happy travels ben_vulpes	[18:26]
fluffypony	geeeze, you comment on ONE Coindesk article about Brock Pierce, and this shit happens: http://i.imgur.com/abo2i7X.png	[18:37]
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williamdunne	Hey Naphex o/	[18:38]
williamdunne	Long time no speak, keep meaning to go on mumble..	[18:38]
williamdunne	!rate Naphex 2 Knows his shit, and knows he does	[18:38]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e46c79d73fd0dd90	[18:38]
williamdunne	!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Naphex.2:19d40d8c7d1ce0e2137c60637c3d43729be585fbb03fbbb43354d445eb1a9003	[18:39]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 2 for Naphex with note: Knows his shit, and knows he does	[18:39]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: great! getting ready for launch on the last run. been busy as hell. how was the conference? sorry i couldn't make it :/	[18:42]
Naphex	williamdunne: hey man. how goes it?	[18:43]
fluffypony	btw for any b-a'ers in Europe I'm going to be there for the next month, would love to meet up, or you could come to one of the Monero meetups I'll be presenting at (Brussels on May 19th, Paris on May 21st, Berlin on May 24th) or else I'll be presenting at Bitcoinference in Amsterdam on May 30/31	[18:43]
williamdunne	Naphex: Good thanks, hows stuff been your end?	[18:43]
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Naphex	williamdunne: pretty good. been doing lots of working and on the last mile for xotika	[18:47]
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williamdunne	!up naphex	[18:48]
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williamdunne	Naphex: Ah yeah! Its always the last tweaks that take 2/3rds your time	[18:48]
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Naphex	williamdunne: yeah, and most of the advertising and promo starts in june to match with some conference. so why rush it	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	Naphex pretty cool actually	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	!up bitx	[18:49]
-assbot-	You voiced bitx for 30 minutes.	[18:49]
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williamdunne	Get it polished for the big day	[18:49]
Naphex	getting pre-regs, and stuff done meanwhile	[18:49]
williamdunne	bitx, which bitx are you from? There are like three/four of them	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony that'll teach you to stray from the cult!	[18:50]
williamdunne	Naphex: Got the girls ready?	[18:50]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I think he doesn't like me calling him "Pedobear Pierce" on Disqus	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony wait, monero going on tour ?	[18:50]
bitx	williamdunne, don't usually use this name - not associated with any other bitx's	[18:51]
fluffypony	yes, a tour of Europe	[18:51]
fluffypony	like a rock tour	[18:51]
fluffypony	but less glamorous	[18:51]
williamdunne	bitx: Ah okay, I assumed you were from one of the bitx companies	[18:51]
bitx	nope, sorry	[18:51]
williamdunne	fluffypony: The groupies have hairier necks too	[18:51]
Naphex	williamdunne: yep. pre-regs and referals and romania is full of studios	[18:51]
fluffypony	that too	[18:51]
fluffypony	bitx: no associate with the South African exchange, eh?	[18:52]
williamdunne	Naphex: Stereotypes can be useful	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	Naphex a while back you could find more college chicks on webcams than @uni in any given day.	[18:52]
bitx	nope, no association with them	[18:52]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: yeah. much of numbers surprise me :P	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	plsu bulgaria, ukraina, ex-yugoslavia, poland... prolly 5mn chicks all told.	[18:53]
Naphex	also there was some raid a month ago and basicly disbanded some wierd paxum companies	[18:54]
Naphex	which were paying the girls on behalf of jasmin i think	[18:54]
Naphex	http://www.mediafax.ro/social/perchezitii-la-studiouri-video-chat-si-la-banci-intr-un-caz-de-evaziune-de-300-milioane-de-dolari-13999282	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	ah i recall reading something	[18:55]
assbot	Percheziţii la studiouri video chat şi la bănci, într-un caz de evaziune de 300 milioane de dolari - Mediafax ... ( http://bit.ly/1DV9qAs )	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile from the yes means yes department, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8d34c556433cbde056f9ca13022b028e/tumblr_ndk9d0EwGF1tkop9po1_500.jpg	[18:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DV9yQC )	[18:56]
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mircea_popescu	;;ud terfs	[19:03]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TERF \| With books and writings by TERFs like Mary Daly and Janice Raymond, feminism in the west has resulted in the denial of necessary medical care to ungodly ...	[19:03]
Pierre_Rochard	http://www.businessinsider.com/r-exclusive-bitcoin-exchange-itbit-seeks-new-york-banking-license-2015-4	[19:04]
assbot	An obscure Bitcoin exchange just filed for a banking license in New York - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVbicA )	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	and even moar drama emerges. apparently this is pretty bitter, too : some feminists don't agree dudes can become women.	[19:04]
Pierre_Rochard	“The bank application for itBit Trust Company LLC lists three bigwigs in government and regulatory circles as "organizers," including former Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Chairman Sheila Bair, former Financial Accounting Standards Board director Robert Herz and former New Jersey Sen. Bill Bradley. Organizers are responsible for setting up limited liability companies in New York, but do not necessarily hold	[19:05]
Pierre_Rochard	operating positions within them.”	[19:05]
Naphex	might as well get ready for govcoin. MIT, DCI, bitcoin devs, something something whitehouse	[19:06]
fluffypony	the compliance officer from itBit presented at the Bitcoin Africa conference last week	[19:06]
fluffypony	he was one of 2 presenters that wasn't completely retarded	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	that sheila bair chick sure is getting around	[19:06]
fluffypony	but he does firmly believe in embracing regulation before it cometh	[19:06]
fluffypony	so he's old school	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	well obviously.	[19:06]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nah, same thing. Qntra just had her first by quite a distance	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	Naphex oh, we've been getting ready fo sho.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo a ok	[19:07]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/04/new-york-update-nyse-ceo-to-teraexchange-former-fdic-chair-to-itbit/	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	the very notion that bitcoin would have a compliance officer. bitcoin does not comply.	[19:07]
assbot	Page not found \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1OF3iRI )	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	everyone else complies. us congress gets a bitcoin compliance officer.	[19:07]
fluffypony	yes but an exchange needs one	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah, to comply with b-a.	[19:08]
fluffypony	because half of the exchange has to deal in some government regulated shitcoin	[19:08]
BingoBoingo	Bitcoin Compliance Officer == Mosin, well oiled	[19:08]
fluffypony	the other half is Bitcoin	[19:08]
Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: what about a compliance officer that flies around the globe verifying and signing client’s and counterparty’s GPG keys?	[19:08]
Pierre_Rochard	“comply with corporate policies” - rather than “comply with govt mandates"	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	actually... if i were a hooker, what i'd do is exactly this : fly around the globe, swallowing peeps' loads and signing their keys	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	WOT DOMINANCE	[19:09]
Pierre_Rochard	haha, +ev if you get dinner out of it too	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	defo. top chicks make a decent buck.	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	;;google Leelah Alcorn	[19:11]
gribble	Death of Leelah Alcorn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ohio transgender teen's mom: 'He was an amazing boy' - CNN.com: ; Leelah Alcorn: Transgender Teen's Reported Suicide Note Makes ...:	[19:11]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	so the million dollar question : are trannies self-harming for the same reason they're trannies, which is to say, broken fenotypes that failed to abort, like a mongoloid or a schizo ; or are trannies self-harming because being a tranny is so traumatic they get fucked up through childhood ?	[19:12]
Pierre_Rochard	“sweet 16-year-old … tender-hearted 17-year-old” - had problems with age identity too	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	age identity is a thing ?	[19:14]
Pierre_Rochard	absolutely! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OROFfLYQ0b0 (listening to lyrics, you’d think Sinatra was talking on the subject of trannies)	[19:16]
assbot	Young At Heart Frank Sinatra 1965 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVdyR4 )	[19:16]
Pierre_Rochard	singing*	[19:16]
Pierre_Rochard	To answer your million dollar question - may be both but I’d lean towards the latter, combined with the lack of emotional regulation prevalent in society	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	im drastically unaware of this.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	i suspect age thing may be much more an issue in the us, because of idiotic alcohol laws	[19:18]
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Pierre_Rochard	my tongue was firmly in cheek! Though I am ~52 yo stuck in body half that age	[19:19]
Pierre_Rochard	!up Naphex	[19:20]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	"I have decided I've had enough. I'm never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I'm never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I'm never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I'm never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I'm never going to find a man who loves me. I'm never going to be happy. Either I live the rest of my life as a lonely man who wishes he were a woman or I live	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	my life as a lonelier woman who hates herself. There's no winning. There's no way out. I'm sad enough already, I don't need my life to get any worse. People say "it gets better" but that isn't true in my case. It gets worse. Each day I get worse. That's the gist of it, that's why I feel like killing myself. Sorry if that's not a good enough reason for you, it's good enough for me."	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	i dunno... seems like a perfect reason to me.	[19:20]
trinque	that whole thing seems like the suicide drive half-engaged to me	[19:23]
trinque	even aside actually killing oneself	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	howssat ?	[19:24]
williamdunne	Two hours, and I've managed to move my blog across..	[19:24]
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Naphex	i'm authed with assbot, but it keeps devoicing me at timeout. wonder how long i can keep it going :P	[19:25]
Pierre_Rochard	seems to me that suicide would be a rather unhealthy response to this severe depression - some therapy, medication, and meditation would go a long ways. The problem is (its) sadness - its the fervent desire to deny and escape the sadness	[19:25]
trinque	mircea_popescu: invents impossible alternative that he must have, or else why live! as a sort of rationalization to finally get over the fear of doing it	[19:25]
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Pierre_Rochard	The problem isn’t*	[19:25]
trinque	seems like the pattern is ever-further attempts to depart reality	[19:25]
trinque	death being of course the best way to depart reality	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	!down Naphex	[19:25]
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mircea_popescu	!up Naphex	[19:25]
Pierre_Rochard	trinque: right - instead of accepting it	[19:25]
-assbot-	You voiced Naphex for 30 minutes.	[19:25]
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mircea_popescu	you're not id'd.	[19:25]
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mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard trinque i dunno doods. seems to me the "i am not interested in participating in this world" as a perfectly valid reason.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	Naphex so did you ever !v ?	[19:26]
Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: it’s absolutely a valid reason. That’s also a valid reason to sit and watch TV all day, play video games, or max out your credit card shopping	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[19:27]
Naphex	!down Naphex	[19:27]
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trinque	mircea_popescu: I can see it from a completely other angle too; the culmination of this american self-starter be the change you want to see bullshit	[19:28]
trinque	you can just invent yourself, and people have to accept that	[19:28]
trinque	the self-destructiveness could be incidental	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	well, sure you can just invent yourself. people however... don't have to jack shit.	[19:28]
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mircea_popescu	same nonsense as in the previous "rape" thing, "you may not dispute my feelings, you may only feel sorry for them". herp.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	same thing as the age old "i tried therefore no one may criticize me!"	[19:29]
trinque	http://www.openbible.info/topics/equality << amuses me that this is more or less in line with that	[19:34]
assbot	What Does the Bible Say About Equality? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVh2Da )	[19:34]
jurov	i was surprised how many people i know (including myself) considered suicide at some point. somehow, we moved on	[19:35]
trinque	yet someone who claims to follow the thing may not see how the beliefs therein lead directly to their tranny son	[19:35]
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mircea_popescu	jurov i'd be very suspicious of the mental health of an adult intellect that never considered it.	[19:36]
jurov	trinque if the teaching was like "women have no soul", there'd be no trannies?	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	eh the women have no soul thing was never mainstream.	[19:39]
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jurov	go away imposter :)	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	is the throne = toilet thngfunctional in english too ?	[19:41]
trinque	jurov: its "everyone is equal and all is forgiven" that I was pointing at	[19:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: absolutely sop	[19:42]
trinque	at least the american version I'm well acquainted with has a highly corrosive effect on one's thinker	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform btw, what sort of 40 hours has this been ? scam!	[19:42]
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asciilifeform	22	[19:44]
trinque	jurov: I tend to think the stupid concepts in the ideology have long outlived the actual belief in sky-dad	[19:44]
asciilifeform	~40 there/back	[19:44]
*	asciilifeform petting pet and about to settle in for the one item we have here that is not to be found in arvalhalla - sprats!	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	didja tell her about the whores ?	[19:46]
asciilifeform	aha	[19:46]
asciilifeform	said: 'you should have attempted them'	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	see, next time bring her along, you can do it together.	[19:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: got the gpgram, finally	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	whores lotta more fun that way anyway.	[19:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: will set to work on that thing soon as i get a bit of sleep.	[19:47]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> whores lotta more fun that way anyway. << Couples night tends to be one of the busiest at the strip clubs	[19:48]
asciilifeform	the transexual thread:	[19:48]
asciilifeform	!s fucksaw	[19:48]
assbot	4 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw	[19:48]
asciilifeform	that fella (psychologist) wrote a mega-book on the subject	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo one of the better arguments pro harem : women know how to churn the butter outta women.	[19:49]
asciilifeform	i will not spoil it here. (he had two hypotheses, both strongly predictive)	[19:49]
asciilifeform	i'm no shrink, but i've always wondered if transsexualism is a kind of division-by-zero bug	[19:50]
asciilifeform	(i.e. how do you get 'even closer' to $motas than fucking? only one way...)	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i originally thought you'd have to be extremely bored to care, but then i discovered most females actually spent some time wanting to be male in their childhood.	[19:51]
asciilifeform	so you end up with something like 'fuck of infinite magnitude'	[19:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: independent (how?) of the 'they get to drive tanks?!!11' thing ?	[19:51]
asciilifeform	as in, did they want to 'wear boy clothes and do boy things' or actually swing a cock	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	usually driven by "but mo-ooo-ooom!!11 i don't wanna protect my underskirt, i wanna climb in the cherry tree!!1"	[19:52]
asciilifeform	then sop	[19:52]
asciilifeform	snore.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	yawell.	[19:52]
asciilifeform	the m2f thing is a much harded nut to crack	[19:52]
asciilifeform	*harder	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	hardly. that's basically being gay.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	or a flavour thereof.	[19:53]
asciilifeform	well curiously, according to (fuck, what his name) that is only one of the two phenotypes	[19:53]
asciilifeform	the other would rather eat wood screws than touch man	[19:53]
asciilifeform	!s the man who would be queen	[19:53]
assbot	1 results for 'the man who would be queen' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+man+who+would+be+queen	[19:53]
asciilifeform	^ book	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	lol. "i'm not a normal guy, i'm a lesbian trapped in a male body"	[19:54]
asciilifeform	not far off	[19:54]
asciilifeform	from the actual statements.	[19:54]
trinque	sounds like imaginary identity bullshit	[20:00]
trinque	I'm from the andromeda galaxy	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	well... "self directed education" necessarily constructs this "imagined identity" nonsense.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	because how else to get from point a to point b ?	[20:00]
*	trinque declares himself nuclear physicist; gimme a reactor	[20:01]
trinque	though the overflow idea has me thinking	[20:01]
trinque	maybe it's a way to sort of sneak by the normal game of trying to get female attention	[20:01]
trinque	I've noticed gay guys for example that feel they can grab tits because "not playing the game!!"	[20:01]
*	hanbot would like to see people physically manifested as the sum of the handicaps they imagine they're stuck with.	[20:04]
trinque	Harrison Bergeron highly relevant	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	"@FLAdmin: Step 1 is to disallow incoming traffic from the trilema domain (23.235.235.243). This prevents people from using the hyperlinks on his page."	[20:05]
trinque	lol what	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	imagine we all died and "the web community" was stuck reimplementing the web.	[20:06]
*	ben_cash (b50f959d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.15.149.157) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:07]
BingoBoingo	!up ben_cash	[20:07]
*	assbot gives voice to ben_cash	[20:07]
ben_cash	salud	[20:07]
ben_cash	ssh from eze looks to be busted	[20:08]
ben_cash	anyways, burned the last pesos on a bottle of trumpeter	[20:08]
ben_cash	and you know? shit ain't bad.	[20:08]
ben_cash	not worth 160 pesos for 375 mL, but hey. comprolo en el aeropeurto, can't complain-o	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	nah, hard to buy genuinely bad argentinian wine	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	like it's hard to find a lithe feminist.	[20:09]
ben_cash	i finally found the pet who wanted to come home	[20:09]
ben_cash	but she got off the clock at six	[20:10]
*	pete_dushenski (~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:10]
ben_cash	or she was being polite. quien saves!	[20:10]
ben_cash	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108732 << prezactly what we do at le con	[20:10]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 22:03:43; Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: what about a compliance officer that flies around the globe verifying and signing client’s and counterparty’s GPG keys?	[20:10]
Pierre_Rochard	certainly more efficient	[20:11]
ben_cash	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108753 << sounds like derpdaherpnanderp	[20:11]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 22:15:47; mircea_popescu: "I have decided I've had enough. I'm never going to transition successfully, even when I move out. I'm never going to be happy with the way I look or sound. I'm never going to have enough friends to satisfy me. I'm never going to have enough love to satisfy me. I'm never going to find a man who loves me. I'm never going to be happy. Either I live the rest of my life as a lonely man wh	[20:11]
ben_cash	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108792 << plz for ams to sign a thing	[20:13]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 22:35:03; *: asciilifeform back in throneroom	[20:13]
ben_cash	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108811 << people go to the strip club without girls???	[20:13]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 22:43:36; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> whores lotta more fun that way anyway. << Couples night tends to be one of the busiest at the strip clubs	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	plenty do yeah	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	usually the older dudes	[20:14]
BingoBoingo	60+ males, most vulnerable population	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	truth.	[20:14]
ben_cash	hablando variedad	[20:14]
ben_cash	whoa, mega cog diss	[20:15]
ben_cash	hispano going on at her kids in entirely unaccented english	[20:15]
*	assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo ty for teh posting :)	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	"yeah itami, i've read those. thanks for linking me back to something which is written by someone who uses words i've never read before, googling every word is a very constructive and non-timeconsuming activity."	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	at least they're honest...	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell thestringpuller glad to hear you're alive! come home again soon.	[20:18]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:18]
BingoBoingo	Wait, in Argentina ben got married again and changed his name to Cash this time?	[20:18]
*	CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)	[20:18]
ben_cash	m-married?	[20:19]
ben_cash	oh yeah	[20:19]
pete_dushenski	;;seen diametric	[20:20]
gribble	diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/04/10/1541258/florida-teen-charged-with-felony-hacking-for-changing-desktop-wallpaper	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	ben_cash: Isn't that why you usually change your irc_name	[20:20]
ben_cash	well i found that old guitar players corpse in recoleta and in the grandest tradition of self-important argentines dug him up had my way with him (using court papers, of course), and then put his body elsewhere for political legitimacy	[20:20]
pete_dushenski	another one..	[20:20]
pete_dushenski	;;seen danielpbarron	[20:20]
gribble	danielpbarron was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: !up sickboy	[20:20]
pete_dushenski	less severe.	[20:20]
ben_cash	BingoBoingo: i'm shooting for a wife and children on each continent	[20:21]
ben_cash	some day i'll achieve one in each country!	[20:21]
asciilifeform	.deedbot http://dpaste.com/0S038SR.txt	[20:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IOgmkb )	[20:21]
trinque	nein	[20:21]
asciilifeform	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0S038SR.txt	[20:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IOgvUB )	[20:21]
asciilifeform	damnit.	[20:21]
trinque	probably ate it that time	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	gpg: Good signature from "Stan	[20:22]
trinque	it's just not voiced	[20:22]
pete_dushenski	hiiiii hitler	[20:22]
ben_cash	Good signature from B98228A001ABFFC7	[20:22]
trinque	asciilifeform: message eaten	[20:23]
trinque	shall dispatch on the hour	[20:23]
trinque	I'll get that thing voicing itself this weekend	[20:23]
ben_cash	can we get deedbot- permavoiced sil vois plait?	[20:23]
trinque	ben_cash: yar ^	[20:23]
ben_cash	hyu, k	[20:23]
ben_cash	trinque: omg wait until you see my new rokkitplane	[20:23]
trinque	I am excite	[20:23]
trinque	and also generally to hear of the rumored land beyond	[20:24]
ben_cash	once i get the requisite harnesses you can put your butt in it as well	[20:24]
ben_cash	mircea_popescu: btw i took your text height advice to heart and have never been happier	[20:24]
ben_cash	but now i need to procure a 15" portable again	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[20:25]
Pierre_Rochard	pete_dushenski: you trying out for activity compliance officer?	[20:26]
pete_dushenski	ben_cash go 17"	[20:26]
pete_dushenski	Pierre_Rochard there's tryouts ?	[20:26]
Pierre_Rochard	yup, coach thinks you’ve got a shot this year	[20:27]
ben_cash	boarding group #1...	[20:27]
ben_cash	pete_dushenski: i have 2 24" monitors at the workstation...	[20:29]
*	asciilifeform begins to feel the microbes catching up with him	[20:29]
ben_cash	also the 17" won't fit in my diplomat.	[20:29]
ben_cash	asciilifeform: aha the curse?	[20:29]
asciilifeform	ben_cash: it, or another, aha	[20:29]
pete_dushenski	Pierre_Rochard well if coach thinks so..	[20:29]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108732 << well i do travel enough.	[20:30]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 22:03:43; Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: what about a compliance officer that flies around the globe verifying and signing client’s and counterparty’s GPG keys?	[20:30]
Pierre_Rochard	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108605 < is the preferred term “crypto-patriarchy” or “crypto-feudalism”? I like both	[20:31]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 20:38:53; cazalla: http://fusion.net/story/124655/why-bitcoins-male-domination-will-be-its-downfall/ "The lack of women in Bitcoin isn’t just an issue of equality. It’s a fundamental weakness of the currency itself." ok guy whatever	[20:31]
*	asciilifeform pictures an opposite, 'defiance officer'	[20:31]
ben_cash	Could not find artifact me.raynes.conch:me.raynes.conch:jar:0.8.0 in clojars << EZE is officially on my shitlist now	[20:31]
pete_dushenski	ben_cash what's a 'diplomat' other than a well-connected wine drinker ?	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	ssh is a privilege not a right!	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	terrorist!	[20:31]
trinque	I bet you've got a nice wifi splash page in that jar	[20:32]
asciilifeform	''tis a privilege to pee! you come down and pay the fee!' (tm) (r)	[20:32]
asciilifeform	ben_cash: all 4 airports i just walked through were ham-handedly boojummed in this way	[20:33]
ben_cash	;afeosmifhgwiuneghviwu4nehrgmaeil	[20:33]
ben_cash	mircea_popescu: i want this skull on my desk	[20:33]
asciilifeform	vpn over dns to a real box, say	[20:33]
asciilifeform	(or something similarly baroque but foolproof)	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard privilege and elitism should also be in there	[20:34]
ben_cash	pete_dushenski: the exquisitely well hand crafted leather nuke suitcase i carry.	[20:34]
asciilifeform	Pierre_Rochard: in some places called 'attache'	[20:34]
ben_cash	asciilifeform: next trip.	[20:35]
ben_cash	i've approximately 3 minutes before i get on this plane.	[20:35]
*	asciilifeform actually brought own modem, but it was a sc4m	[20:35]
pete_dushenski	ben_cash a cool. got a pic ?	[20:36]
ben_cash	of my briefcase? lolno	[20:36]
ben_cash	might as well take a picture of my shoe	[20:36]
pete_dushenski	so take a picture of your shoe	[20:36]
ben_cash	also leather, well-crafted,	[20:36]
ben_cash	entirely common device among civilized people. unremarkable, one might say.	[20:37]
pete_dushenski	ben_cash whatever lol. link a pic or something if cameras are too complikated.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	attache on head!	[20:37]
ben_cash	right up there with home-rolled entropy pool.	[20:37]
ben_cash	"high tech", as herr lifeform says.	[20:37]
*	assbot removes voice from ben_cash	[20:38]
BingoBoingo	!up ben_cash	[20:39]
*	assbot gives voice to ben_cash	[20:39]
ben_cash	gratzi bb	[20:40]
ben_cash	pete_dushenski: i expected you to carry one of sealfur, to be honest!	[20:40]
ben_cash	pete_dushenski: http://www.josephhannaleather.com/collections/briefcases-laptop-cases/products/briefcase << the precise model, if you're curious	[20:40]
pete_dushenski	haha cuz canadians club seals for lulz?	[20:40]
pete_dushenski	you know mine's made of newborn's foreskin ;)	[20:40]
ben_cash	has survived nearly an entire decade, with only one modification: additional hole in the shoulder strap for bike-compatibility	[20:41]
pete_dushenski	ah. i use paniers	[20:42]
pete_dushenski	shawp bag btw!	[20:42]
ben_cash	faggot	[20:42]
ben_cash	heeee	[20:42]
ben_cash	thanks, boss	[20:42]
ben_cash	that bag is actually the best example of inflation in action i've yet seen	[20:43]
pete_dushenski	oh?	[20:43]
ben_cash	cost 325 when i bought it eight years ago	[20:43]
*	ben_cash thinks	[20:43]
ben_cash	280 mebbe?	[20:43]
ben_cash	anyways, meticulously designed. can be carried through pouring rain, and due to the excellent design of the strap mounting points not. a. single. drop. ever. reaches. the. interior.	[20:44]
ben_cash	even on bike!	[20:45]
ben_cash	i must now stand in line.	[20:45]
ben_cash	the indignity.	[20:45]
ben_cash	"cattle class".	[20:45]
ben_cash	au revoir!	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15474 @ 0.00027654 = 4.2792 BTC [-] {2}	[20:48]
BingoBoingo	;;seen nubbins'	[20:49]
gribble	I have not seen nubbins'.	[20:49]
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mike_c	;;seen nubbins`	[20:50]
gribble	nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: oh right, yeah	[20:50]
*	pete_dushenski goes to set up his camera and read poems	[20:53]
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mircea_popescu	o hey! looking forward.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile "This guy is a rich bored misogynistic scumbag looking to stir shit up. This is CEO-level Trolling. What he's doing is technically legal, and even if it weren't, he has the money to keep it tied up in courts forever if not win outright. Unfortunately the worldwide legal system is run on money rather than justice, and Fetlife HAS tried to take appropriate legal action against him to no avail. This is yet anoth	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	er shitty case where women must protect themselves from what boils down to a lack of actual justice."	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck is it that people can't ever just you know, be wrong anymore ?	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	either my way or "lack of justice". kinda dilutes the point for all those who fiund themselves bona fide in this situation.	[20:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5126 @ 0.00027047 = 1.3864 BTC [-]	[20:57]
*	BingoBoingo waits for the fetlife "Sugar Daddy" list to appear on The Whet	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	lawl	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i doubt hanbot cares enough. but, part of the perks of this deal - qntra now has bulletproof hosting as part of the package.	[21:01]
BingoBoingo	Eh, meatlist contents... rather disappointing	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	how so ?	[21:03]
*	hanbot could indeed not be assed, not nearly as generous as mp.	[21:03]
scoopbot_revived	News! Explore the Web of Trust URL: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2015/explore-the-web-of-trust/	[21:03]
assbot	Explore the Web of Trust - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMdPc2 )	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	yay.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	dude it's so great when shit works.	[21:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The part where their userbase consists of so many accounts that haven't been used in years	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	ah yeah, it's a dead site.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	basically, they claim 3mn users but from what i've seen it's < 1% eligible womenz, nominally	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	out of which, <1% are active to any reasonable degree.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	basically... fetlife is the size of my 3rd degree social circle.	[21:08]
*	paxtoncamaro91 (~paxtoncam@unaffiliated/paxtoncamaro91) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	davout got the job btw ? :D	[21:20]
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BingoBoingo	^Oh more scoopbot drama, quitting already?	[21:34]
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