Forum logs for 22 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: same people, same basic idea, but for some reason scaled down [00:00]
mircea_popescu actually, im mildly surprised at this very retarded approach. the correct way to do this would be - have intentionately crippled miner. to decripple, kid has to solve puzzles. [00:00]
asciilifeform (it was to be a thing in 'every light bulb' and 'every tv set') [00:00]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the reason being : reality [00:00]
mircea_popescu the ultimate puzzle of course being how to flash the damned thing. [00:00]
mircea_popescu i'd pay money for that if i had kids in the 9-15 range. [00:00]
trinque asciilifeform: that was just the advertising to bring in that massive round [00:00]
mircea_popescu trinque was it massive ? didn't they get like 20mn ? [00:01]
asciilifeform 200! [00:01]
trinque thought it was 120mn [00:01]
mircea_popescu a, ok. [00:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281243 << dude get out, buy one. what do you think this is, the trezor ? [00:01]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:54; ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it [00:01]
asciilifeform see thread. the boojum, if there is one, is prolly on the miner die. [00:02]
mircea_popescu only indie schmucks deliver things. actually listed companies, be they s.nsa or 21co don't lower themselves to that! [00:02]
asciilifeform l0l [00:02]
mircea_popescu hehe [00:02]
asciilifeform speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack. [00:03]
pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/ [00:03]
assbot BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.97 B (68%) on Yes, 2.34 B (32%) on No | closing in 2 months 3 weeks | weight: 25`126 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1YxlJxy ) [00:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281238 << yeah because all those names you named haven't been desperate for revenue in the past decade. [00:03]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:29; thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it! [00:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281253 << dun tell me, that keybase thing ? [00:05]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:24; ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well. [00:05]
asciilifeform the really galling thing, to me, re: the 200mil sc4mz0rz, is that for prolly less than half of that, a sane man could build a perfectly serviceable chip fab in the pampas or the like [00:05]
mircea_popescu or w/e it was called ? [00:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not keybase this time. a fresh one. [00:05]
asciilifeform (why?? ask them..) [00:05]
mircea_popescu would you stop already ? have you read the vc article ? what "half of that". [00:05]
asciilifeform of whatever they paid to have that thing shat out [00:06]
mircea_popescu "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform." [00:06]
mircea_popescu you understand already ? what 200 million ? [00:06]
asciilifeform or is mircea_popescu's argument is that the 200megabux is in 'recyclable real estate bezzle' usd, which, if spent on turkeys, would send shock wave that could topple cities ? [00:06]
mircea_popescu this is not a deal in which k is valuing x at y. it is a deal in which X!!! is valuing k at y. [00:06]
mircea_popescu contrary to how the book might read, it's not watson or wilson or w/e his name is that's begging. [00:07]
mircea_popescu it's the other guy. [00:07]
mircea_popescu this is how begging goes, "power men blablabla" [00:07]
asciilifeform the guy who needs 200megatonnes of reactor fluid recirculated and laundered ? [00:07]
mircea_popescu yeah. [00:07]
asciilifeform then yes. [00:07]
asciilifeform it would also explain why 'raspberry pi' and naked miner board circa 2012 [00:08]
mircea_popescu what's leftover out of these deals to actually do thinks is very much reminiscent of what's left of a drone's salary to buy smokes. [00:08]
mircea_popescu "bad for you!11" [00:08]
* pete_dushenski just imagined predator drone hacking darts. chuckled. [00:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281264 << it's altogether dubious whether they'll be able to keep up, even with it preloaded. [00:09]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:43:43; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281194 <<< comes preloaded on sdcard [00:09]
mircea_popescu (obviously the actual thing won'd do any sort of useful verification, but for academic arguments' sake) [00:10]
asciilifeform easy to 'keep up' when you're headers-only-ing... [00:10]
mircea_popescu aha. [00:10]
BingoBoingo I honestly think these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into the lost cache of those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering they were exactly this. [00:10]
asciilifeform i have my doubts that there is anything resembling even a gavinized parody of the blockchain in there, at all [00:10]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [00:10]
gribble Current Blocks: 375556 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [00:10]
asciilifeform (incidentally, 67 connexions on zoolag, 28 on bucephalus, both at full height) [00:11]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281279 << dildonics! [00:11]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:48:54; ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!) [00:12]
cazalla mircea_popescu, their words, not mine! [00:13]
mircea_popescu aha. [00:14]
cazalla http://www.wired.com/2015/09/4chan-sold/ nfi how much he got [00:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo0c2 ) [00:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281314 <<->> http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-113.0-113.416 [00:15]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 21:00:48; ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1) [00:15]
assbot Digging through archives yields gold on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo4Zk ) [00:15]
mircea_popescu "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." [00:15]
mircea_popescu etc. [00:15]
asciilifeform 'adult supervision', ellen paoization, snippetysnips, in 5,4,3,2....1 [00:15]
mircea_popescu so yes asciilifeform i would say your understanding is broadly correct [00:15]
mircea_popescu the bitch is, this particular space has so far offered and in general promises to offer in the indefinite future tools to feed the little biches their own crows. [00:15]
mircea_popescu i confess however that the WHY is nebulous to me at this time, and the how come not much better. [00:16]
mircea_popescu but there's something structural at work to do with the meaning of money. [00:16]
mircea_popescu https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << o hey check out, the idiots haven't exactly learn what the nigger words are in bitcoin. [00:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeAjx ) [00:18]
mircea_popescu good that they paid vin cerf or whoever for a sports endorsement [00:18]
mircea_popescu too bad they couldn't afford fiddy cents to find out that "no, don't do that" [00:18]
asciilifeform wai wut [00:18]
mircea_popescu which part [00:19]
cazalla for sake of logs - the 21.co blockchain on an SD card quote is http://dpaste.com/07AQSXN.txt [00:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YxoTl0 ) [00:19]
asciilifeform 'haven't exactly... what the nigger words' [00:19]
mircea_popescu the nigger words are magic words which you shouldn't say unless you're prepared to not be invited for dinner. [00:19]
mircea_popescu https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg << does this look like the face of an animal capable of love ? [00:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281328 << "soo... are you a lesbian or just fat?" [00:22]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types [00:22]
phf mircea_popescu: i don't think dadaism can be applied. the original joke seemed to be that you can pretend like you do art, have all the trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because the joke was a response to malevich and joice, kind of like "if there's nothing else left to do it, let's just have artists pretend like they are doing art an [00:22]
phf d get paid for it", but then repeated ad nauseam as if the original lack of art was art itself by people who have no skills or talents and later gavins, like warhol for general consumption. but it can't be applied, because there's nothing to apply there. [00:22]
mircea_popescu say, dja ever read my "what is art" thing ? [00:23]
phf yes, and what i got out of it is art is king says art is, which might be a misunderstanding [00:24]
phf *what [00:24]
mircea_popescu " was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing" [00:25]
mircea_popescu no more wealthy people, no more art as a possibility, is the proposition. [00:25]
phf oh interesting [00:25]
mircea_popescu in which sense dadaism is merely behaviour. ie, of the stupid. [00:26]
mircea_popescu in this sense indistinguishable from socialism. [00:26]
mircea_popescu the behaviour of the stupid in all fields being by definition about the stupid, not contaminated by the fields. [00:26]
mircea_popescu (this neatly puts the "all art is activism" thingee in its proper terms, too.) [00:27]
mircea_popescu https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. [00:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 ) [00:29]
phf but there were still wealthy patrons then, maybe the exchange was, well, you seem to be running out of money and we're running out of ideas, so let's all just laugh about it, and that'd be that. in my imagination anyway, pre-soviet revolution is roughly when the last patrons were living out their last days [00:30]
mircea_popescu (i have never seen a toilet in the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not, that didn't have a water jet for your ass.) [00:30]
mircea_popescu phf how was stalin (or ceausescu, for whom i have documentary evidence) not a patron ? [00:30]
asciilifeform mega-patron. [00:30]
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asciilifeform nobody alive today is fit to be his boot sole, patron-wise [00:31]
mircea_popescu well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way to draw a definition of patron that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense". [00:32]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, in that same vein : there's no neo-nazi alive today or since the war invented, that would be fit to be stalin's boot sole in neonazism. [00:34]
mircea_popescu howabout that one! [00:34]
phf there was a line of patrons that all wanted same stuff but improved, fresh ideas rooted in the old ideas, or at least they accepted that as art. stalin did a sharp break with that, so maybe pre-stalin they were last patrons of the same lineage? [00:36]
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mircea_popescu salon de refuses, like ? [00:36]
punkman mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided" [00:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 ) [00:37]
mircea_popescu (the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.) [00:37]
mircea_popescu punkman no, it's just piped water with a faucet. [00:38]
punkman mircea_popescu: no I mean they'll probably make a law that public toilets need to have a shitspoon [00:39]
mircea_popescu o god [00:39]
mircea_popescu i was not ready for this truth. [00:39]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [00:40]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38F99H4.txt ) [00:40]
phf why, no. i'm thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being the final point to a long conversation. the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art then i do in stalin's (mostly because [00:41]
phf imho the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons [00:41]
mircea_popescu i am unpersuaded by this thesis. [00:42]
mircea_popescu my own private suspicion is that stalin was very deeply conservative, and just didn't get lucky (for the most part) to find someone COMPETENT. [00:42]
mircea_popescu like at all. [00:42]
mircea_popescu the task would have been to restate the old conversation in proper terms, for a very sweet life. [00:42]
mircea_popescu but a) russian speaker who b) was actually a master of this trade and c) actually willing and able to stand on his own did not mostly happen to exist. [00:43]
mircea_popescu note that the pope that da vinci had to daily argue with was a very stalinesque figure in his own right. [00:43]
phf i think a lot of attempts were about that, like mayakovsky with his riffs on kvadrat theme [00:43]
mircea_popescu and they were shit [00:44]
mircea_popescu in a most egregiously scandalous manner. [00:44]
phf so the idea is that stalin was the patron in that same old tradition, simply by then the point was strongly made and everyone was left speechless. [00:46]
phf so stalin went "to fuck with the lot of you" [00:46]
mircea_popescu quite exactly. [00:47]
mircea_popescu and in my eyes the one to blame in this failure is !stalin. [00:48]
phf how so? [00:49]
mircea_popescu the only important, redeeming feature of art is that, like woman, will survive everything. in all times and places, its tits must poke out. [00:49]
mircea_popescu it's not fuckin science, and it may never be silent. [00:49]
phf well, stalin's art was shalamov's kolyma tales, for lack of better [00:49]
mircea_popescu lacking that quality, the "artists" are posers. [00:49]
mircea_popescu phf !stalin is "not-stalin", right ? [00:50]
phf ooh ooh [00:50]
mircea_popescu and also, all the "censored" "artists" have no excuse. why the fuck did da vinci EVEN PAINT women, at all ? [00:52]
mircea_popescu not like he wanted to. [00:52]
mircea_popescu imposed fucking topic by political power, apparently "women are a thing" in their twisted nonsensical view. what's he to do ? [00:53]
mircea_popescu paint women, that's what. [00:53]
asciilifeform eh day job [00:53]
mircea_popescu what, gioconda ? [00:53]
asciilifeform aha [00:53]
mircea_popescu (it was, but, again - what, gioconda ???) [00:53]
phf hmm, i see the point as it applies to mayakovsky. attempted to answer, had some promise, but then chocked. but i guess when it comes down to it, it's not so much that i see intrinsic value in art, it's that i'm claiming that shalamov is art. but then not being a wealthy patron, that's irrelevant. qed? [00:57]
mircea_popescu good enough for me, i'll take it :) [00:58]
phf heh, what an interesting resolution [00:59]
mircea_popescu one of the many atrocities perpetuated by the "derp revolution" is the creation of young men with artistic taste but without a family fortune to inherit. [00:59]
asciilifeform wai wut ?!! [01:00]
mircea_popescu very similar to "made everyone a little noble, but absent the usual incentives to reproduce - made everyone choose between thinking and having kids" [01:00]
asciilifeform these did not exist before ? [01:00]
mircea_popescu and also on it goes, "everyone may read and write - so go gitbub" [01:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not before the "romantic period" at any rate. [01:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88792 @ 0.00075583 = 67.1117 BTC [+] {5} [01:01]
asciilifeform ah hm [01:01]
mircea_popescu what is the "left sympathy" of the "West" other than the disilusioned of 3rd borns at their own disenfranchisement ? [01:02]
mircea_popescu and they'll fix it, i'm sure. [01:02]
mircea_popescu runts ever so often make the world a better place, that if they all unite the internet can't possibly be long away. [01:02]
asciilifeform not as if there were anything for the eldest to inherit these days, in typical case [01:03]
mircea_popescu (think of blair's own personal history - "england is great except for 2nd borns" "maybe you get lucky" "what if i don't ?" "let's make an empire, then". and after a century "empire work is too hard") [01:03]
mircea_popescu ofcoursenot. but for this reason. [01:03]
mircea_popescu the eldest didn't inherit naught but the tears of the non-elders, and their butthurt. [01:04]
mircea_popescu that's all the value that'll ever exist. [01:04]
mircea_popescu lolz and drama. [01:04]
* asciilifeform inevitably, when this comes up, thinks of the turks [01:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform or in other words, to paraphrase, "the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in things. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc." [01:05]
mircea_popescu (hey, is my inclination to reuse qualify me as a noob lisp-er ?) [01:06]
asciilifeform nah just sanity [01:06]
mircea_popescu aok [01:07]
mircea_popescu gimme, you know, an independent value and i shall henceforth move the earth from orbit on its leverage. [01:07]
asciilifeform l0lrchimedes [01:08]
phf disenfranchisement is such a dirty word, we prefer wealth impaired [01:12]
mircea_popescu it happens to be proper. see, "wealth impaired" hints at the (mistaken) notion that you know, there's something out there, maybe you find it. whereas the system REQUIRES for there NOT to be such a thing. [01:13]
mircea_popescu you can never grow the pie. but if you can be made to believe you'll grow the pie, then all bets are off, and the whole house collapses into rubble. [01:13]
asciilifeform what is the pie in this line of thought ? [01:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38682 @ 0.0007519 = 29.085 BTC [-] [01:14]
asciilifeform (does it count as 'grow' if you, british, conquer india? build machine looms driven by gurlz ?) [01:15]
asciilifeform what means 'grow', other than discovering a duplicate planet somewhere ? [01:15]
mircea_popescu notrly even duplicate planet. [01:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281862 [01:18]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:25; mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource. [01:18]
mircea_popescu you can find all the planets you wish. [01:18]
asciilifeform 'the pie' implied some harvestable resource, no ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu mno. [01:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu did not say 'cannot grow own balls' [01:18]
mircea_popescu lulz and butthurt. [01:18]
asciilifeform i was about to say 'balls cannot be grown from empty space' but it is conceivable that the biological foundation of what we think of as 'willpower' could be discovered and played with [01:20]
asciilifeform (pharmacologically or some other way) [01:20]
phf well, the way i see it, pre-soviets my family had a handful of hotels and titles with corresponding land, there's not much pie growing possible, it's either i who own them, or some bloke in the ru pipeline hierarchy, and as it stands it's not me. so i'm only parodying soviet terminology with "impaired" talk [01:21]
asciilifeform conveniently skipping the interim ? [01:22]
asciilifeform where su owned [01:22]
asciilifeform and used the proceeds to finance mathematics rather than golden toilets for a handful of degenerates [01:22]
asciilifeform (at least for the first half century or so) [01:23]
phf asciilifeform: i didn't intentionally skip for the purposes of "чайные ложечки" rhetoric, just talking about how the things are now [01:24]
asciilifeform ah ok [01:24]
* asciilifeform was bracing for the хруст французской булки (tm) (r) , pleasantly relieved [01:25]
* asciilifeform bbl [01:25]
phf бабка, по материнской линии то, с самим василием петровичем, городовым, чайи попивала, а вы говорите!™® [01:27]
phf i don't think mp talks about willpower, there's some sort of munchausenian pulling yourself by own bootstraps (in the original meaning of the passage) point that keeps eluding me [01:32]
phf in any case [01:32]
* phf bbl [01:32]
BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2300&pr=0 [01:34]
assbot JL: Boomy Advises CSA Colonel James ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwK8Jg ) [01:34]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/21/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school/ [02:17]
pete_dushenski and with that, bon soir ! [02:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00075655 = 25.7227 BTC [+] {3} [02:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform discovered it is. but played with... [03:05]
mircea_popescu turns out it plays with you. [03:05]
mircea_popescu it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em. [03:06]
mircea_popescu (i do not see any lack of continuity in soviet degeneracy as compared to pre-soviet, but then again that's just me._ [03:06]
mircea_popescu “I did a U-urn and screeched wheels and they began firing handguns at us—boom, boom, boom! I thought we would die, but their fire discipline is as poor as their manners. [03:13]
mircea_popescu aaahahahaha [03:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.0007568 = 26.488 BTC [+] {3} [03:13]
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-assbot- You voiced muruc for 30 minutes. [03:25]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [03:27]
gribble Current Blocks: 375577 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1414 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [03:27]
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mircea_popescu "Link your 21 box to your Twitter account, and any paywall website lets you read anything you want without popups, ads, or subscriptions." << except 90% of all paywall usage in bitcoin is to read trilema. which isn't in on this plan. [03:35]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, GENIUS [03:35]
mircea_popescu o look, tech crunch still beatying the "bitcoin governance" horse. [03:38]
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mircea_popescu shinohai well the beauty of social media is that you can readily ignore individual people in pursuit of rules. [10:34]
mircea_popescu or in other words, not like she's the only one there neh ? [10:34]
shinohai Duly noted. No responses from anyone else yet but I'm actually enjoying art perusal so no biggie. [10:36]
mircea_popescu then this was made for you. [10:37]
mircea_popescu check out how the internet is giving a voice to ordinary people! [10:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282294 << selective breeding works, but is the exact opposite of what i meant - which was something more like a (hypothetical) electric implant that gives you iron determination at the push of a button [10:38]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 06:04:20; mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em. [10:38]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ahahaha come on. [10:38]
mircea_popescu you know that long existed. [10:38]
mircea_popescu it's called a lobotomy! [10:39]
asciilifeform picture the opposite of lobotomy [10:39]
mircea_popescu (oh but you meant - do what i mean! not what i say!) [10:39]
funkenstein_ http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fed-cred-dead/ [10:39]
assbot Fed Cred Dead | KUNSTLER ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfGj3t ) [10:39]
mircea_popescu alfie, there's a reason things work the way they work which happens to be opposite of the way you want them to. [10:39]
asciilifeform 'i meant what i said and i said what i meant!' (tm) (r) [10:39]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ am i very lame if i have nfi who that is ? [10:39]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: engineer exists in order to take 'there's a reason why things work as nature intended' and feed it its own arse [10:40]
funkenstein_ notrly, he makes some nice pieces from time to time though [10:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform THINGS. [10:40]
asciilifeform incl. people [10:40]
asciilifeform who, for instance, lack wings [10:40]
mircea_popescu would you not say the attempt to treat people as things has gone far enough ? [10:40]
asciilifeform note that i did not say that we are ~likely~ to live to see this kind of trick. research has been just about entirely in the lobotomy direction, rather than this, no prizes for guessing why. [10:41]
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mircea_popescu research is never in a direction in this sense. [10:42]
mircea_popescu im sure if "stick a knife in his eye socket and push up" thing resulted in a coolotomy, [10:42]
mircea_popescu nobody'd have protested. [10:42]
asciilifeform this is true. but think of modern pharma, where one really ~does~ 'pick direction' in the sense that there are, say, 100M synthesizable compounds you can work with [10:44]
mircea_popescu looky here, if i strip a chick naked, blindfold her, stick a quart of diluted wine up her asshole, spin her around for five minutes and then encourage her to "move towards the cock she prefers" [10:45]
mircea_popescu 100m cocks in attendance or not, she ain't picking any directions. [10:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'direction' here is not in the sense of 'chemist knows the effect' - as i described in earlier threads, the models are shoddier than pretty much anyone involved in that racket is willing to admit in public. i was speaking in the sense of what usg permits to be fed to people, for test, and thereafter sold [10:47]
funkenstein_ "Janet Yellen was left standing naked in the hot glare of her own carbonizing credibility, a pitiful larval creature, still maundering about “the data,” and “the median growth projection,” and other previously-owned figments spun out of the great PhD wonk machine in the Eccles Building." [10:48]
mircea_popescu not like that is any sort of limit of any practical importance. [10:48]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ not bad. who ? [10:49]
asciilifeform !s dopamine reuptake [10:49]
assbot 7 results for 'dopamine reuptake' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dopamine+reuptake [10:49]
asciilifeform ^example [10:49]
funkenstein_ previous link ;) [10:49]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ guy should work for qntra. [10:49]
mircea_popescu dja know 'im ? [10:50]
funkenstein_ not personally but followed for ages [10:50]
mircea_popescu http://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/HistoryoftheFuture_Thumb.jpg << omaigawd the stench of poverty in the shape of self published wonk. [10:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfI3tv ) [10:50]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ so maybe it's time to make acquaintance! [10:50]
* funkenstein_ makes it so [10:51]
mircea_popescu "sprezzatura" first commenter ? oh COME ON [10:51]
mircea_popescu guy'd murder here. [10:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: kunstler is, one of, orlov's mega-favourites. but i was never able to stomach his output. [10:52]
mircea_popescu "The Geography of Nowhere, or the rise and decline in america's man-made landscape", what's wrong wioth that ? [10:52]
asciilifeform that one's entirely readable, but like mr o, he tends to repeat himself. [10:53]
mircea_popescu http://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Kunstler-Logo-2-res72-final-e1372906270122.png << i wonder if he knows about crna macka, beli macor. [10:53]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfICDt ) [10:53]
mircea_popescu "Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer forRolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He [10:57]
mircea_popescu has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields." [10:57]
mircea_popescu he apparently also has no idea that he looks to people who actually know about the world as a retired and perhaps scandalous antrhopologist of the "physical" ilk. [10:58]
asciilifeform scandalous anthropologist ? [10:58]
asciilifeform how? [10:58]
mircea_popescu what exactly architecture would have to do with this is anyone's guess. [10:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for instance because one time he kicked all architects out of the room because "who the fuck asked you anything - man on the street knows more about buildings than you do" [10:59]
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mircea_popescu (which happens to be true, architects know a lot about how buildings may be, and for this reason nothing about buildings that are) [10:59]
asciilifeform this is solidly true [10:59]
mircea_popescu just like no sane person takes smoking advice from gps. [11:00]
asciilifeform esp. in usa, where they get a three week course on 'why it stands up' and four years of postmodernist claptrap [11:00]
mircea_popescu GPs. [11:00]
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mircea_popescu the three week course being in fact the whole profession [11:00]
asciilifeform aha [11:00]
asciilifeform if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either. [11:01]
* mircea_popescu still knows how to calc it all by hand. [11:01]
mircea_popescu INCLUDING the derivates aha. [11:01]
* asciilifeform same [11:01]
asciilifeform this was still taught in school, even in usa, when i was a kid. [11:02]
mircea_popescu well it's such an obvious application of number analysis 101 [11:02]
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mircea_popescu "oh teach why should i know this ?" "so you're not the sort of savage/monkey that is reduced to building mud huts" [11:02]
asciilifeform re: earlier thread: i have a sequel! to the broomstick story! here goes. [11:02]
asciilifeform one day mircea_popescu opens an opthamologist's practice! everyone lines up, wants to give it a try! fella walks in, 'i need new spectacles, measure my eyes.' mircea_popescu hands him... a nagant, polished, izhevsk 1941 mark visible, clean, one round in the drum. 'eat.' patient: ??? mircea_popescu: 'you can come back for this later, go home, have some children, raise'em poor and make sure the nearsighted ones die!' [11:04]
mircea_popescu (exercise to the aspiring anthropologists of the OTHER ilk in attendance ("cultural", ftr. you're welcome.) : write one page explaining the difference between "deficiente" and "disgraziato".) [11:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if i die anytime soon i will be a fabulous character of folk history won't i. [11:05]
asciilifeform aha [11:05]
asciilifeform like haja nasredin, but better! [11:05]
mircea_popescu with rifles. [11:05]
mircea_popescu afanti with rifles. [11:05]
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mircea_popescu (and yes is what i mean by savage/monkey, and no it's not an easy point to grok, and yes i did have this as a term paper in my naked girly school once and so sure, imagine myself with the whiprifle looking down on your efforts if it helps) [11:07]
asciilifeform modern man-lite is guiltier of pyramids than of mud huts, but will transition smoothly to mud hut soon enough [11:08]
mircea_popescu modern man, if airdropped in africa, would have nothing useful to teach the natives. [11:09]
mircea_popescu then people wonder why boko haram, and why all the rest. srsly ? [11:09]
phf can teach them scientology [11:09]
mircea_popescu (incidentally, "boko haram" simply means - "you suck". it's deliberately named this way, in the same sort of joke vein in which /. was named that way - to get stupid old ladies confused by the metasyntaxis problem. so stop calling it this if you donm't actually agree the west is the suck.) [11:10]
mircea_popescu phf no he can't. for one thing - no license. [11:10]
mircea_popescu hurrrrr [11:10]
mircea_popescu to quote specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-09-2015#1281344 [11:11]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 21:47:32; phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you [11:11]
mircea_popescu little thought is given to "what did the daughter go there AS ?" [11:11]
mircea_popescu "i sent my piece of fuckmeat to africa - they don't know this about her there. yet." [11:12]
mircea_popescu "so i'm helping." [11:12]
mircea_popescu volunteer corps or whatever the fuck it's called made a lot more sense 20 yeasrs ago, back when kids COULD actually do architecture by hand. at least thye idea that hey, you don't HAVE TO live in mud huts could spread (it did). but today ? what exactly do they know "how the ipad must behave" ? [11:13]
mircea_popescu teach the rest of the world consumers have come to expect, aha, nice aids you got there. [11:13]
asciilifeform poul anderson's short story 'the man who came early' is about this. [11:14]
asciilifeform american bloke, circa 1950s, is in the army, falls into a time warp in iceland, ends up in 13th c. [11:14]
asciilifeform tries and comically fails to teach folks anything useful [11:14]
mircea_popescu no bark where they lived ? [11:15]
mircea_popescu antipyretics, already a lot. [11:15]
asciilifeform no bark ~in his pathetic head~ [11:15]
mircea_popescu what is this, the brave private svjeik ? [11:15]
asciilifeform for instance, 'i'm good with metals!' -- 'what am i to do with this forge!?!!' [11:15]
* mircea_popescu recalls the recently published metal from scratch photoblog thingee. [11:16]
mircea_popescu is still impressed at the quality of the final blade. [11:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the cheat is in the fact that the 'from scratch' folks do not actually have to do the metallurgy [11:16]
mircea_popescu you recall the thing i mean ? [11:16]
asciilifeform they can start with mineral from nowhere near home, pre-refined [11:16]
asciilifeform the shovel kalash ? [11:17]
mircea_popescu no, he started with stuff from the bottom of a lake. [11:17]
mircea_popescu no. [11:17]
phf (http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg) [11:17]
phf asciilifeform: ^ [11:17]
mircea_popescu very metallurgy [11:17]
mircea_popescu i still suspect shenanigans re final piece, but hey. [11:18]
asciilifeform not clear from the picture what the provenance of the 'thing from the lake' was. [11:18]
asciilifeform could be from old car. [11:18]
phf http://jarkko1.deviantart.xyz/art/raudan-valmistus-324286519 [11:18]
assbot raudan valmistus by jarkko1 on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1WfNbOi ) [11:18]
mircea_popescu pic 5 has it ground to dust [11:18]
phf "Searching and collecting the bog iron ore from the bottom of the river." [11:18]
asciilifeform likewise, yes, the knife is shiny, but how do we know it cuts ? [11:18]
asciilifeform and cuts what, for how long, etc. [11:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean specifically the shape of the blade. very elegant. [11:19]
asciilifeform ah [11:19]
asciilifeform sure. [11:19]
* asciilifeform bbl [11:20]
mircea_popescu "Now it’s all aging badly, fraying, too costly to fix and, increasingly, not worth scraping off the land and replacing with a new cheap, shitty building. The younger generation doesn’t even want to live in that suburban dystopia. They run shrieking from it to Brooklyn, or even downtown Troy, New York, up the Hudson River Valley. Alas, this younger generation has also been broadly victimized by the college loan rack [11:34]
mircea_popescu et — reinforced by the revised bankruptcy laws that make it impossible to ever write-off this sort of debt. When will they get political about it? Their debt loads will disfigure their lives as surely as a tour of duty in Vietnam would have forty years ago. Perhaps Siri has not informed them about this." [11:34]
mircea_popescu this is perfectly valid a point. it is unclear if vietnam cripple or new-new-new-new-feminism cripple are in a worse situation. [11:34]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, yeah, they dun got raped. [11:35]
davout 'Siri has not informed them about this' <<< kek [11:36]
mircea_popescu does anyone even use that thing ? [11:36]
* mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand". [11:37]
davout it gets old quickly, tried to order prostitutes, did not work, useless [11:37]
mircea_popescu "siri bitch, got any homeho's to get this party started???" [11:38]
davout siri would apparently rather be home and play videogames [11:38]
mircea_popescu there's only one thing that reliably exceeds in shocking ridiculousness the actual wishes and expectations of people [11:39]
mircea_popescu and that one thing is the idea merchants have about what those wishes and expectations are. [11:39]
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mircea_popescu "Meanwhile, what remains on the other head of this two-headed economy besides driving to-and-from the Walmart? Pornography? The tattoo industry? Meth and narcotics? Prostitution? Professional sports on the flat screen? Kim and Kanye? Grand theft auto? Do you really think Donald Trump can fix this?" << prostitution. [11:41]
mircea_popescu i foresee a great industry of buying american third gendered persons by the pound, [11:42]
davout gross [11:42]
mircea_popescu "processing" them [11:42]
mircea_popescu then selling the survivors by the head. [11:42]
mircea_popescu pay 2 maybe even 3 dollars a pound, [11:42]
mircea_popescu actual workable women still fetch 10-15k a head. [11:42]
mircea_popescu at 500 lbs average and with a 30% survival rate the numbers show a 300% gross margin available [11:43]
mircea_popescu to pay for the processing. [11:43]
mircea_popescu i suppose we could call this... 5th wave feminism. [11:44]
mircea_popescu could probably cut a deal with the cities so that they install solid bars spaced one foot apart somewhere downtown, circumscribing a sort of pen, then the police just dumps whoever in there. if they manage to go through the bars, or whatever, if someone lifts them up fine. [11:45]
mircea_popescu if not, sunday's buy day. [11:45]
davout haha [11:45]
mircea_popescu "sir... would you not like... to eat salami... of a sensitive artist...like me ????" [11:46]
mircea_popescu for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question. [11:47]
punkman eww, who'd want to eat american hamplanet [12:02]
funkenstein_ i can't imagine you'd find buyers in the end but throw it up on kickstarter anyway? [12:02]
mircea_popescu punkman other ones. [12:03]
mircea_popescu "You are SO on the mark my friend. Nothing has improved unless you are a wall street banker public employee or large corporation. All of the above we can do without. There was and is nothing better than that small town america pre I phone and internet." [12:03]
mircea_popescu oh what the everloving fuck. seriously ? [12:03]
mircea_popescu the only thing good about that america was that it kept to its stupid self and i never ran into it. [12:03]
mircea_popescu punkman besides, think about all the valuable prion research this would usher in. GOOD FOR SCIENCE. [12:04]
funkenstein_ "That site is welcome to republish my Monday blog. Other sites do. Be my guest." [12:07]
mircea_popescu interesting how failure works in humans. [12:07]
funkenstein_ It's a cook book! [12:08]
mircea_popescu and it has one meal. "i dunno about that and i'm important so... how about that happens in terms im familiar with ?" [12:08]
funkenstein_ sorta like.. learn variety speak? [12:12]
BingoBoingo if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either. << When my youngest brother went on campus visits to engineering programs the Engineering College Dean joked that the architecture school was full of the Civil engineering program's failures [12:12]
mike_c heh. and civil is full of mech eng failures [12:12]
funkenstein_ nah, variety speak is pretty open terminology compared to above failure mode [12:15]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Brother's doing mech, graduated this spring, decided to stay there a while longer [12:17]
mike_c ah, congrats to him. he's two orders of magnitude smarter than an architect :) [12:18]
BingoBoingo lol [12:18]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ for instance. but it's deeper than that, it's a strange thing. sort-of like "this is alien and so before anything it must prove its value to me in my own terms". [12:20]
mircea_popescu somehow emitter is completely unable to notice that means IT WILL KILL YOU then. [12:20]
mircea_popescu but somehow still knows it enough to go about making laws about how BAD killing is. you know... in general. [12:20]
mircea_popescu just in that [unthinkable!!!1] case where someone might want to. why would they!!! inconceivabru!!1 [12:21]
mircea_popescu the sane "this is alien therefore must investigate" is rare enough to be usable as a selection heuristic. [12:21]
mircea_popescu mike_c or at least two degrees of separation. [12:21]
BingoBoingo Eh, kunstler is old enough father time will probably get him before you do mircea_popescu [12:22]
mircea_popescu i wasn't even proposing i was. who cares, yet another blogger. [12:22]
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mircea_popescu but, induction. that age old method to derive value from worthless ingredients. [12:22]
BingoBoingo Ah [12:22]
BingoBoingo !up thstringpuller [12:23]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you will notice (im not even sure if that was attempted sarcasm or not tbf) that the imperative to learn variety speak is not so i can understand the othjer, but so that the other can begin to think. [12:23]
thstringpuller https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lxbp0/coinbase_files_9_patents_for_bitcoin_products/ << anyone following the patent story? [12:23]
assbot Coinbase Files 9 Patents for Bitcoin Products : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhtW5 ) [12:24]
mircea_popescu language is still the cheapest "mind amplifier" the world knows, to borrow an alfism. [12:24]
mircea_popescu and if properly curated it does actually work. [12:24]
mircea_popescu unlike the more expensive ones. which - don't. [12:24]
thstringpuller "20150262176, “Hot Wallet For Holding Bitcoin”; [12:24]
thstringpuller 20150262172, “User Private Key Control”; [12:24]
thstringpuller 20150262171, “Bitcoin Private Key Splitting For Cold Storage” [12:24]
thstringpuller 20150262168, “Instant Exchange”; [12:24]
thstringpuller 20150262141, “Personal Vault”; [12:24]
thstringpuller 20150262140, “Send Bitcoin To Email Address”; [12:24]
thstringpuller 20150262139, “Bitcoin Exchange”; [12:24]
thstringpuller 20150262138, “Tip Button”; [12:24]
thstringpuller 20150262137, “Off-Block Chain Transactions In Combination With On-Block Chain Transactions.” [12:24]
mircea_popescu !down thstringpuller [12:24]
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mircea_popescu da fuck was that! [12:24]
funkenstein_ aha thanks :) [12:24]
mircea_popescu oh wait i think his list was 9 items long [12:25]
funkenstein_ in lulzier news http://i.imgur.com/i56S1pa.png [12:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhEk9 ) [12:25]
mircea_popescu !up thstringpuller [12:25]
-assbot- You voiced thstringpuller for 30 minutes. [12:25]
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BingoBoingo TIL XTCoin is full of hamplanets https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ltau7/im_building_a_dice_game_and_want_to_integrate/cva0jz2 [12:25]
assbot Hannott comments on Im building a dice game and want to integrate bitcoin like Satoshi Dice and Bitpotato... ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhHg2 ) [12:25]
mircea_popescu "integrate bitcoin" ? [12:26]
mircea_popescu da fuck. how does that game even exist otherwise. [12:26]
mircea_popescu hi guise i am running linux and i thought i'd integrate the kernel. [12:26]
* mircea_popescu didn't even know kernel was differentiable. [12:27]
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mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/i56S1pa.png << this is pretty much the entire story of "hyip". [12:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOhEk9 ) [12:29]
mircea_popescu sort of a diy scam thing. [12:29]
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mircea_popescu also, am i the only one that thinks the butch cassidy&sundance kid film utterly sucked ? [12:30]
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mircea_popescu i dunno why people are so gaga over it (in the us only - nobody cares afaik outside of the pesthole) [12:31]
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mike_c I found it enjoyable. [12:31]
mike_c newman and redford are good together [12:31]
mircea_popescu i guess in an unstated solaris kind of way. [12:32]
mircea_popescu but that's not really about the film, is it ? [12:32]
mircea_popescu "here's an oreo wrapper with two mugs on it, bring your own film." [12:32]
mike_c I don't think it's amazing as a film, but I've seen it a few times. [12:33]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [12:33]
mircea_popescu at the very least the question as to WHY the phenomena observable take place is left entirely to the viewer. to my mind this disqualifies it. [12:33]
mircea_popescu but maybe i'm just being academitarded. [12:33]
mike_c I like it like the spaghetti westerns. Just good popcorn movies. [12:34]
mircea_popescu so this is basically the porn argument ? "i dunno man, i just like how those two tits match visually ? it's an aesthetic thing." ? [12:34]
mircea_popescu i always thought the spaghetti westerns were parodic, which makes them more palatable. tho i can't say i ever liked one. [12:35]
mike_c It's newman and redford - Nobody (should) be taking it too seriously. [12:35]
* shinohai eagerly awaits The Hateful Eight. [12:36]
mircea_popescu redford is mostly that policeman tv series to me. but newman made excellent films. [12:36]
mircea_popescu and yeah some pretty shitty ones. [12:36]
mike_c My issue with a lot of older movies like that is the love interest plotline would have been better left on the cutting room floor [12:37]
mircea_popescu wait there was erotic interest in that ?! [12:37]
mircea_popescu (incidentally, anyone remember barefoot in the park ? with a thoroughly indigestible barbarella, she could have been diaz in very bad things) [12:38]
mircea_popescu and speaking of very bad things, anyone seen that thing ? it's... hm. i humbly suggest it to the feminist hating crowd! [12:39]
funkenstein_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gEFnZP5X8Q <-- saw live a month ago, great show [12:39]
assbot PRIMUS: SPAGHETTI WESTERN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjstq ) [12:39]
punkman http://www.podniesinski.pl/portal/wp-content/uploads/POD0710.jpg "Local nuclear energy guarantees a lively future" [12:41]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjKRk ) [12:41]
punkman http://www.podniesinski.pl/portal/fukushima/ [12:41]
assbot FUKUSHIMA - podniesinski.pl ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOjLEE ) [12:41]
mircea_popescu ahahaah [12:41]
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shinohai http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bitcoin-anonymity-trr-encryption-tor/ <<< asciilifeform will LOVE this one. [12:54]
assbot The future of Bitcoin could be as anonymous and private as Tor ... ( http://bit.ly/1OOmAWp ) [12:54]
mircea_popescu lol. [12:55]
mircea_popescu the "future of bitcoin" will be bitcoin, and it will be pointedly NOT "as anonymous and private" as a made-for-usg fake anon/privacy hangout. at the very least for as long as i'm around. [12:55]
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shinohai Just make an altcoin and leave bitcoin to do what it does. [12:56]
mircea_popescu yeah, right. in other news, "Those who are interested in Trump are voting for a stop to the illegal immigration and the flooding of America with future Democrats who will have no jobs and live off food stamps, but are convinced the Democrats will keep their new way of life alive." [12:57]
mircea_popescu just like the libertard just went and made his country in africa and lived there happily ever after. [12:57]
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mircea_popescu the entire fucking plan is to spend other people's money. [12:58]
mircea_popescu and for that, you gotta pretend you're part of something worth something. cant just go out in the field. they've not yet invented the saprophytical parasite. [12:59]
mircea_popescu "Likewise, barter is a very awkward way of doing business, especially when the other party to a deal is across the world. That’s why gold has acted as the medium of exchange for 5000 years or so and why gold or a gold-backed paper certificate will eventually replace all the fiat money that exists today." [13:06]
mircea_popescu ehehehe. [13:06]
shinohai umm .... ok because the gold standard worked out so well before. [13:11]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282483 << where did mircea_popescu unearth the ipNohe ??! took it off a dead usg agent ? [13:14]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 14:35:05; *: mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand". [13:14]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field i had an ipad for a while doing game research. [13:16]
mircea_popescu the shit s.mg pays me for :D [13:16]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282504 << people complain about pharmaceutically-polluted chickens and now we are to eat ~THIS~ ?!! l0l! [13:16]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 14:45:17; mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question. [13:16]
mircea_popescu people may complain, but people eat. [13:16]
mircea_popescu so... [13:16]
ascii_field 'them short pig ran out, we eat long pig now' [13:17]
mircea_popescu i really like my idea of the foot-apart steel pillar pen. [13:17]
mircea_popescu self-testing. [13:17]
ascii_field i don't actually know anyone, afaik, who could not - if with some effort - fit through that [13:18]
ascii_field fat compresses. [13:18]
mircea_popescu heh. [13:19]
mircea_popescu I THOUGHT THEY WERE BIG BONED [13:19]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282594 << l0l, догоним и перегоним америку in derpatronics ! [13:23]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 15:52:38; shinohai: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bitcoin-anonymity-trr-encryption-tor/ <<< asciilifeform will LOVE this one. [13:23]
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ascii_field 'Bitcoin did not respond to a request for comment about TRR.' << he died, motherfuckerz ! have el minimo respeto por los derpadores !!11 [13:31]
shinohai xD [13:32]
mircea_popescu lol [13:32]
mircea_popescu wtf is that ? [13:32]
mircea_popescu so facebook supports non-rsa-only pgp ? heh mkay. [13:33]
ascii_field l0l wat !? [13:34]
ascii_field specifically non-rsa ? [13:34]
mircea_popescu i dunno they keep derping about how they support ecc and how great it is and how blabla. protonmail. [13:35]
ascii_field and what's it mean to 'support' pgp ? [13:35]
mircea_popescu nfi. [13:35]
ascii_field what, i can't walk over and drop in a base64 turd ? [13:35]
ascii_field into the comment box or whatever [13:35]
mircea_popescu you don;t understand how the world works. [13:37]
ascii_field evidently. [13:38]
ascii_field ' S obtains a list of online TRR nodes and their public keys then selects three to five nodes randomly to form a routing. We call the first node of the routing the ‘starting node’ and the last node the [13:39]
ascii_field 7 [13:39]
ascii_field ‘releasing node’. S generates a pair of public keys to encrypt the return data then inserts the public key into the routing information for each node...' << tor, snore. [13:39]
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ascii_field aaaaand we get to the point where they advocate the use of ecc [13:44]
ascii_field aha, let's Run Moar Ecc! in real time! with average pc rng ! [13:44]
ascii_field sure. [13:44]
mircea_popescu ayup [13:44]
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mircea_popescu !up BitcoinConsultan [13:56]
-assbot- You voiced BitcoinConsultan for 30 minutes. [13:56]
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mircea_popescu is that armenian ? [13:56]
kakobrekla !rate BitcoinConsultan 1 gonna do some work for me [13:59]
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kakobrekla !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.BitcoinConsultan.1:93a7e68ec9677527ce4b06b9cb75c0f7dbebadac211fdbb3adb559f55a8034b0 [14:01]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for BitcoinConsultan with note: gonna do some work for me [14:01]
kakobrekla !gettrust BitcoinConsultan [14:02]
assbot Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user BitcoinConsultan: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=kakobrekla&to=BitcoinConsultan | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BitcoinConsultan/ [14:02]
kakobrekla well this is awkward [14:02]
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mircea_popescu what is ? [14:03]
kakobrekla how am i suppose to get keyid [14:03]
kakobrekla who made this thing anyway!! [14:03]
mircea_popescu o.O [14:03]
kakobrekla btcalpha is delayed right [14:04]
mircea_popescu mike_c would it be possible to have calls to http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BitcoinConsultan/ check on the spot ? [14:04]
assbot WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1YzPM7E ) [14:04]
kakobrekla or !keyid perhaps [14:10]
mircea_popescu !whois kakobrekla [14:11]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know, !gettrust could say BitcoinConsultan (soandso) instead of just BitcoinConsultan. [14:12]
mircea_popescu proper-er form anyway. [14:12]
mircea_popescu actually, no. [14:12]
mircea_popescu !gettrust mircea_popescu [14:12]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mircea_popescu: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/ [14:12]
mircea_popescu should read : Trust relationship from mircea_popescu to 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 (mircea_popescu) [14:13]
shinohai dat infinity trust [14:13]
mircea_popescu some dogs more trusty than others yo! [14:13]
ascii_field what next, self-negrates ? [14:13]
Michail1 michiel_l midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [14:14]
mircea_popescu !rate mircea_popescu 10 Bro! [14:14]
assbot You can not rate yourself. [14:14]
shinohai !rated mircea_popescu [14:14]
assbot You have not rated mircea_popescu. [14:14]
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shinohai O.o [14:14]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [14:14]
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ascii_field legend has it that kara mustafa pasha rated himself -10 after failing to seize vienna [14:15]
mircea_popescu his name was LALA [14:15]
shinohai !rate mircea_popescu 1 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. [14:15]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8f74a0ec10668141 [14:15]
mircea_popescu best whore name ever. [14:16]
shinohai !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.1:1105ef4146cf896779115b949a7ae88ba71aec75ff8d03dd240e0c52de3ab255 [14:16]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. [14:16]
shinohai Now I feel better. [14:16]
mike_c mircea_popescu: yes [14:20]
mike_c sort of. [14:20]
mike_c I'll take a look. [14:20]
mircea_popescu well, meanwhile we figured out change in assbot response saner solution [14:20]
mircea_popescu but in principle if it's feasible it wouldn't hurt also. [14:20]
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mike_c kakobrekla: btcalpha eats the nightly db dumps [14:28]
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mike_c problem with doing it live is that http://w.b-a.link/user/BitcoinConsultan doesn't have nearly as much info as the btcalpha user page [14:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky2Ikf ) [14:32]
mike_c like registered since, fingerprint, etc. [14:33]
mike_c just has trust ratings [14:33]
mike_c but i could at least put that blob on the 'not found' page [14:34]
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kakobrekla mike_c maybe not a bad idea [15:11]
kakobrekla no rush tho [15:12]
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shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3le3dg/discussion_on_forum_stating_that_xt_is_a_failure/cv5mhwg [16:29]
assbot BusyBeaverHP comments on Discussion on forum stating that XT is a failure. Thoughts? ... ( http://bit.ly/1V87Arh ) [16:29]
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mircea_popescu lol scamcoin of the day is not dead at all! [16:31]
mircea_popescu just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy. [16:32]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282711 << 'that is not dead which can eternal lie...' (tm) [16:38]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 19:30:09; mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy. [16:38]
ascii_field and with strange eons, even sense may die [16:38]
mircea_popescu sounds like a business! [16:38]
mircea_popescu you know who else meets this description ? "team garza". https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.0 [16:41]
assbot New Lending Platform BitLend.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kyh5oz ) [16:41]
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BingoBoingo lol, that shorting charade https://imgur.com/BS9v4Ow [16:47]
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shinohai "team garza" I love it. [16:48]
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ascii_field 'At DEC’s founding, the US Congress decided that the US government had bought too many computers, and decreed that no more would be bought until those machines already acquired were fully loaded. So DEC sold PDPs, not computers.' [17:04]
trinque that's pretty good [17:05]
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trinque "No Mr Congressman, these are merely data processors which happen to be programmed." [17:05]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo further proof (if such were needed) that no usg/vc funded item is a bitcoin company. [17:23]
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mircea_popescu they may try to scam bitcoiners, for money, yes. but bitcoin companies they can not be. [17:23]
ascii_field they ~are~ 'bitcoin companies' in the 'roach motel' sense [17:24]
ascii_field 'feel free to put it ~in~, just don't expect it to come out again' [17:24]
ascii_field 'spreading on bread - works!!111' [17:24]
mircea_popescu how is this a bitcoin company ? [17:25]
ascii_field how is 'roach motel' a motel ? [17:25]
mircea_popescu is the miniguillotine a masturbation tool ? [17:25]
ascii_field dulap! [17:25]
ascii_field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roach_Motel_%28insect_trap%29 << the american traditional artifact in question [17:25]
assbot Roach Motel (insect trap) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LuoXfT ) [17:25]
mircea_popescu oh [17:26]
mircea_popescu i thought you just meant "shitty hotel" [17:26]
ascii_field nah [17:26]
ascii_field 'Black Flag also marketed a related insect trap, the "Flyport," designed to deal with unwanted flying insects like houseflies, with the tagline, "Lots of arrivals, but no departures!"' << l0l [17:26]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would anyone buy this ? [17:26]
mircea_popescu seems like a terrible idea. [17:27]
ascii_field doesn't it ? [17:27]
mircea_popescu for one thing, cockroach infestations only become perceptible to average human after dozens of lbs of cockroach matter are moving around. [17:28]
ascii_field aha [17:28]
ascii_field i thought this was well-known. [17:28]
mircea_popescu i guess the problems in the ustard head are actually there. same sort of thinking that creates "war on drugs" creates this thing, too. [17:28]
mircea_popescu unsustainable and provably-won't-solve-the-problem but hey, it has a nice package! [17:29]
ascii_field my understanding is that the 'motel' notion was partly a misguided variation on the usual rodent trap, and partly a cynical scam (there could never be, clearly, anything like sufficient room in the trap, but it will superficially appear to 'work') [17:29]
trinque you're being sold "I did something" [17:29]
ascii_field ^ [17:29]
mircea_popescu anyway, there's these fluorescent + static things to murder flying bugs outside, at least those do something. [17:30]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: aaaactually it too is a scam! [17:30]
ascii_field i have one. it mainly blows up beetles but does nothing against the real pestilence, the mosquito. [17:31]
mircea_popescu well mosquitoes aren't light-navigators. [17:31]
ascii_field spectacular snaps, crackles, pops, very little actual use. [17:31]
ascii_field doesn't work even with the supposed lure [17:31]
ascii_field (they fly straight through the grid) [17:31]
mircea_popescu lol well get a thinner one eh. [17:32]
ascii_field ~100V/mm breakdown v of air at stp ! [17:32]
mircea_popescu mosquito killer doesn't need that high voltage. [17:33]
mircea_popescu http://www.mont.ro/stiri/?editia=20150905&pagina=1&articol=41500 [17:34]
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ascii_field the ~right thing~ would be a grid that is normally at low voltage but boosts to max if capacitance changes (bug touched) [17:34]
mircea_popescu guy fucks 15 yo daughter of his gf. child results. is convicted, but suspended sentence. [17:34]
mircea_popescu guy moves on to 15yo's sister. [17:35]
mircea_popescu so he gets two years (plus two from the original, suspended sentence) [17:36]
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assbot Australia's major banks pull plug on bitcoin companies [17:50]
mircea_popescu aww. [17:53]
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jurov best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt. [17:54]
jurov wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week." [17:55]
BingoBoingo wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week." << Hard to get the same level of repeat customers buying more every week [17:58]
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jurov then again, birds do catch them, you may want to replenish [17:59]
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shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282775 <<< we have bats that live in the barn across the road. They decimate the mosquito population nearby. [18:03]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 20:52:35; jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt. [18:03]
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gernika I live about half a mile from the Pacific Coast. Constant cool breeze seems to have eliminated them completely. [18:11]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: https://cryptome.org/2015/09/america-big-lie.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/0FH2STG << l0ltr0nic [18:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRL4Pk ) [18:11]
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BingoBoingo Here we have trucks that go around farting fog that thin out, but do not eliminate mosquitoes [18:15]
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ascii_field here, we just have mosquitoes. [18:16]
gernika and fireflies! [18:17]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: You are prolly to close to the lizards and hippies for the fog trucks [18:18]
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cazalla seen felipelalli [18:22]
cazalla or is it ;;? lastseen? it's early, anyone? [18:22]
cazalla ;;seen felipelalli [18:23]
gribble felipelalli was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow. [18:23]
punkman http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-australia-bitcoin-banking-idUSKCN0RM06020150922 [18:23]
assbot Australia's major banks pull plug on bitcoin companies [18:23]
punkman oops [18:24]
ascii_field ;;seen artifexd [18:24]
gribble artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. [18:24]
punkman http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_porniest_grave_in_pariss_pere_lachaise_cemetery [18:24]
assbot What a dick: The porniest grave in Paris’s Père Lachaise cemetery [18:24]
cazalla punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new [18:25]
BingoBoingo punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new << This, someone had a slow news day and wanted to make a fuss [18:30]
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PeterL Hi Bingoboingo [18:33]
BingoBoingo Hi PeterL, How's the lab? [18:33]
PeterL It's okay [18:33]
PeterL Nothing very interesting, just testing lots of Pepto-knockoff recently [18:34]
PeterL stuff smells good [18:34]
PeterL You follow college fooball? [18:37]
phf op_checksig is horrendous [18:38]
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PeterL A while back mircea_popescu was amazed no US cell phones have free incoming: my cell phone is unlimited calling, therefore free incoming (MetroPCS) [18:39]
phf the whole 10 step program of "take some bits and do some stuff with" them [18:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62050 @ 0.00075674 = 46.9557 BTC [+] {3} [18:41]
BingoBoingo PeterL: Been following it a Bit. I'm worried because Mizzou won its non-Conference schedule and Georgia beat SOuth Carolina. We might not take the SEC East this yeat. [18:41]
PeterL They will if they keep winning [18:41]
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BingoBoingo They won't keep winning if they play like they did barely beating Arkansas State and U Conn [18:42]
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PeterL My Spartans got ranked #2, and the #1 OSU is looking pretty shaky, I don't think they will last long enough for us to knock them off their pedestal [18:42]
BingoBoingo Yeah, OSU could go down to MSU [18:42]
PeterL I wish more teams played good competition in their non-confrence schedules [18:42]
PeterL I don't think a win over a FCS school should count on the record (but a loss should count as 2) [18:43]
BingoBoingo I don't think Mizzou can and survive their non-divisional conference games without sever embarassment. Our big problem is Mauk lost the only recievers who can catch his passes and our elite running back sprained his ankle against Southeast Missouri... [18:44]
PeterL makes it hard to win if you can't move the ball [18:44]
BingoBoingo Yeah. Last year was had some very grabby recievers, but still won games on the ground. [18:46]
BingoBoingo Which is kinda part of why Alabama killed us in the SEC championship. Hard to run against a fast 300-350 lb line [18:46]
PeterL http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-09-2015#1271995 << Heaviside sounds alot like the character Sheldon on "The Big Bang Theory" [18:47]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 23:23:51; mircea_popescu: "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of [18:47]
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PeterL grabby receivers as in they catch all sorts of things? [18:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00075897 = 9.5516 BTC [+] {3} [18:50]
cazalla BingoBoingo, this shit is doing the rounds again too http://www.econotimes.com/Islamic-State-using-bitcoin-to-fulfil-state-crafting-ambitions-92261 [18:50]
assbot Islamic State using bitcoin to fulfil state-crafting ambitions - EconoTimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wh5UZD ) [18:50]
BingoBoingo PeterL: Yeah, they caught all kinds of things that had no business at all being caught. [18:50]
BingoBoingo PeterL: But at least for next year we've already signed a 3-star tight end and our next great white hope at quarterback is getting some game time this year as a true freshman [18:52]
PeterL Why are so many quarterbacks white? And are there any good white running backs? [18:52]
BingoBoingo Mauk will still have a year of eligibility next year, but he should convert nicely to backup QB and rare white running back [18:53]
BingoBoingo High school peterl [18:53]
BingoBoingo High school and Texas [18:53]
PeterL Don't they have black kids in texas? [18:53]
PeterL I think my HS football team had 4 black kids, and one of them was the running back. [18:54]
BingoBoingo PeterL: They have black kids in texas, but they slot them into running back [18:55]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282830 << until they carve public key on camera into the back of a prisoner or ten, how exactly could would-be donors know that they are sending to isis and not to usg ? [18:57]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 21:48:18; cazalla: BingoBoingo, this shit is doing the rounds again too http://www.econotimes.com/Islamic-State-using-bitcoin-to-fulfil-state-crafting-ambitions-92261 [18:57]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: No idea really [18:57]
mircea_popescu jurov dragonflies only trhive in particular desert climate. [18:57]
jurov i live in desert? [18:58]
jurov pediwikia says they live anywhere except (sub)arctic [18:59]
ascii_field when they lay out a quality rsa8192 in the desert using beheaded infidels, fresh and still spurting, then. [18:59]
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ascii_field (what is the minimum number of corpses required ?) [18:59]
mircea_popescu jurov from what i've seen, it's a certain river + sandy dune thing they like. [19:00]
mircea_popescu gotta have scorching sun + water source [19:00]
PeterL ISIS could clearsign a statement with their donation address? Have they published any public keys to compare against? [19:00]
trinque mircea_popescu: sounds quite like houston, haha [19:00]
ascii_field PeterL: not afaik [19:00]
mircea_popescu who do you know in isis PeterL ? [19:00]
ascii_field PeterL: and even if they had, there is nothing to associate the keys with the genuine article [19:00]
PeterL well, nobody, but I havn't been looking hard [19:00]
ascii_field usg laughs when morons 'donate to isis' [19:00]
PeterL didn't somebody here say that isis is just a usg puppet anyway? [19:01]
ascii_field muppet [19:01]
mircea_popescu so if you know nobody what are you going to verify it against. [19:01]
ascii_field important difference. [19:01]
PeterL convinient boogyman? [19:01]
mircea_popescu ascii_field has these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history. [19:02]
mircea_popescu thus things can be x and non x and back again. [19:02]
ascii_field how's that [19:02]
mircea_popescu isis wiped the us army [19:03]
mircea_popescu "except not really" [19:03]
mircea_popescu "us army wanted to be wiped anyway" [19:03]
ascii_field 'muppet' is to be understood as a kind of quasi-autonomous golem. [19:03]
mircea_popescu "it was all planned" etc. [19:03]
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mircea_popescu quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history." [19:03]
ascii_field a certain amount of 'u.s. army gets wiped' is always planned. at least on account of it never going 'all in' [19:03]
mircea_popescu we don't agree on what planned means. [19:04]
ascii_field last i heard, usg was not levelling syria with tactical nukes [19:04]
mircea_popescu so ? [19:04]
mircea_popescu last i heard germany is not levelling new york with tactical nukes either. [19:04]
mircea_popescu 'oh but germany couldn't, oinly us could" "how come ?" "it's part of my scenography for this bit of fan fiction" [19:05]
mircea_popescu "aok then." [19:05]
ascii_field germany is not sending squads of mercenaries to get own arses fed to them in new york [19:05]
mircea_popescu and you know thios because none were caught ? [19:05]
ascii_field for all i know, new york isn't even there any longer. been a while since i visited. [19:05]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282871 << the basic textbook example is mujahedeen in afghan. [19:07]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 22:01:46; mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history." [19:07]
mircea_popescu the missing part of this "textbook" is how come there's no equivalent in say artic circle. [19:07]
ascii_field i'd be surprised if usg had never tried to roust up rebellion among the chukchas [19:08]
ascii_field but evidently it came to nothing. [19:08]
mircea_popescu so then all this talk is really so much cockpulling. [19:09]
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mircea_popescu "oh our marketing made people do so and so". [19:09]
mircea_popescu "really ? make them sit on a pineapple." [19:09]
mircea_popescu "no, you can only make them do things they were gonna do anyway" [19:09]
ascii_field inclined to do. [19:09]
mircea_popescu "oh. useful! i hope you went to college for this." [19:10]
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ascii_field and it isn't 'make do', but 'supply arms' [19:10]
ascii_field plenty of people 'would like'. [19:10]
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mircea_popescu yeah, totally. and if i go buy a twelve year old hooker in the DC, it's also the usg that supplied her right ? [19:10]
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mircea_popescu "The [Washington] Post lied to its readers by printing stories it knew were false," mmmkay. [19:11]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: i might be thick, but i entirely cannot see how the hooker connects. [19:14]
mircea_popescu you have no better reason to pretend "x has arms because y" than to pretend "x has 12yo hooker because y". the choice of which of these to emphasize is the liberty of the scriptwriter in works of fiction. [19:15]
mircea_popescu because that's the thing with fiction : it's nonsensical, which means you absolutely need a carefully curated set of sentences be considered [19:16]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: so where did the arms, food, etc. come from ? fell from mars ? [19:16]
mircea_popescu (aka suspension of disbelief) [19:16]
mircea_popescu no, they bought some and stole the rest. [19:16]
mircea_popescu where do things normally come from ? [19:16]
ascii_field from crates dropped to aid 'syrian rebels' daily, for a year ? [19:17]
mircea_popescu THEY STOLE THEM. [19:17]
mircea_popescu your gambit is to administratively suspend isis' agency, because you're too enamoured with the usg and that requires you (also administratively) assign all agency to it. [19:17]
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ascii_field stole how? crate had address 'to rebels, but not THESE rebels' ?? [19:17]
mircea_popescu they came upon an item and took it. [19:18]
mircea_popescu what do you think theft is ? [19:18]
mircea_popescu (hint : you can't donate to a mouse. it steals all it ever gets.) [19:18]
ascii_field i suppose next mircea_popescu will reveal that usg dropped stingers 'for mujahedeen' but not for taliban. [19:19]
ascii_field (technically true!) [19:19]
mircea_popescu nobody cares what the usg "did" [19:19]
mircea_popescu it does not have the capacity for agency, there. [19:19]
mircea_popescu so it did exactrly nothing. the men i nthat relationship are non-us [19:19]
mircea_popescu the us can't even consent. [19:19]
ascii_field let's rephrase without the agency. [19:20]
mircea_popescu curious how that'd go. [19:20]
ascii_field it has pieces of itself, that come loose, like the zombies in 'quake' [19:20]
ascii_field the pieces are edible. [19:20]
mircea_popescu "usg spent some items to addresses it didn't have the key for. isis cracked the keys." [19:20]
ascii_field has resources that get dropped in various places. [19:20]
mircea_popescu so far sounds a lot like an apple tree. [19:20]
mircea_popescu so i guess the real story here is, mujahedeen cultivated usg to provide them with apples. [19:21]
ascii_field rather like nigerian petro thieves 'cultivate' the pipe they drill little holes into. [19:22]
mircea_popescu or like greeks curate eu banks. [19:22]
mircea_popescu do they ? don't they ? [19:22]
ascii_field aha [19:23]
mircea_popescu political choices are in the end nude exercises in narrative fiction. [19:23]
ascii_field except that buried in all of these are actual questions of fact that have - somewhere - answers. such as 'does this army fully support itself on plunder, or needs external supply, and if so, from where' [19:24]
mircea_popescu that is not an answer which can be made into a question. [19:24]
mircea_popescu ("our tanks photosynthesize now!!11 SUPPORTS ITSELF!!1") [19:25]
mircea_popescu the very definition of army includes two points : a) that it does not support itself (if it did it'd be a stampede) ; b) that it makes up the difference through plunder. [19:26]
mircea_popescu this is what an army is. [19:26]
mircea_popescu the definition of inputs into the army camp is "plunder". [19:26]
ascii_field but isis is being advertised as a conquering thing in the ancient sense. with territory held, administered, taxed [19:27]
mircea_popescu advertised by whom where. [19:27]
mircea_popescu as far as i can see the only salient points re isis are that a) has own agency ; b) percepibly unalligned to usg. [19:28]
ascii_field by - supposedly - itself. but this is where we go back to 'i don't have a public key for it, so what, if anything, is to be taken as 'it said' is a ???.' [19:28]
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mircea_popescu we don't disagree there. [19:30]
* ascii_field bbl [19:30]
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mircea_popescu https://archive.is/cHxmW << awww. [19:41]
assbot Increasing number of early adopters cashing out. ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5uwJ ) [19:41]
mircea_popescu anyway, the angry jealous poor club should take solace in the knowledge that i've shed more dollar value this calendar year than they will ever manage to see. [19:41]
BingoBoingo lol [19:42]
BingoBoingo The Bitcointalk crowd is hopelessly lost [19:44]
mircea_popescu kinda lulzy outcome, the stupid got left behind and then decided to give away their remaining asset and split up! [19:45]
mircea_popescu so now there's going to be three-four meaningless forums + reddits + whatever else. [19:45]
mircea_popescu fragmentation of the masses! for gleat gloly & justic!!1 [19:45]
BingoBoingo Of course. And each new one is less relevant than the old one. The old ones less relavant. More people hate Thermos than ever and they aren't even talking about his GLBSE shennanigans [19:46]
BingoBoingo Apex reddit https://i.imgur.com/7Ldn6gD.jpg [19:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5Gfs ) [19:48]
BingoBoingo noveltit http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3244843/A-23-year-old-woman-born-without-legs-making-living-lingerie-model.html [19:50]
assbot Kanya Sesser born without legs makes a living as a lingerie model in LA | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5LzE ) [19:50]
BingoBoingo Also, apparently scholarships for smarts are racis, or poor exclusionary or sometit https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/27/merit [19:53]
assbot The Impact of Merit Scholarships | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL5QU7 ) [19:53]
BingoBoingo "The yield for those who received the $7,000 annual scholarships was 7.1 percent – a statistically significant difference" ... lol "At the same time, the study suggests that the impact of this kind of merit aid may not be large -- the yield rate was low even for those receiving it." [19:56]
mircea_popescu well they don't know about his glbse shenanigans [20:00]
mircea_popescu and the people who know they don't read because omfg, that'd be giving in. [20:00]
mircea_popescu and so... :D [20:00]
BingoBoingo I thought it was more like 8:::::::D [20:01]
mircea_popescu hehe. [20:01]
mircea_popescu merit scholarships work in merit based societies. [20:01]
mircea_popescu in the us, i am deeply unsurprised it would do nothing. [20:01]
mircea_popescu same as in africa. [20:01]
mircea_popescu "Critics have said that merit scholarships may help institutions, but don’t truly help students (most recipients of merit scholarships have many options) or broad social needs in higher education (the merit awards divert attention and funds from the needs of low-income students)." [20:02]
BingoBoingo They even work almost in USia. Just rare to find people who get them, because so many people got to the MIT-Harvard free if you aren't a Soros lottery [20:02]
mircea_popescu o because needs matter amirite. [20:02]
BingoBoingo srsly [20:02]
BingoBoingo https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/16/hamilton [20:02]
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assbot A Push for Need-Based Aid | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6bpz ) [20:02]
mircea_popescu marxism went from an overgrown cult/self help weirdo club to this sort of implicit agreed upon mantra. [20:02]
BingoBoingo It really did [20:02]
BingoBoingo I'm not even sure if this is actually Marxism any more [20:03]
mircea_popescu "there is relatively little research on the true impact of merit scholarships. " [20:03]
BingoBoingo Might as well be Hegel [20:03]
mircea_popescu you know, like there's relatively little research on the true benefits of hanging us academitards above a smoldering pit of hot peppers. [20:03]
mircea_popescu i know i've not seen nearly enough of it yet to suit my tastes. [20:03]
BingoBoingo Well, Maybe in 2020? [20:04]
mircea_popescu pepperoni! [20:04]
BingoBoingo lol, actuall hamplanet pepperoni [20:04]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:04]
BingoBoingo Just with actual pigs getting to 6-7 ft in length are hamplanets still really the long pig anymore? [20:07]
BingoBoingo The ones that have gone feral in arkansas have been spotted and shot at 8-9 ft long... [20:07]
BingoBoingo We may now be the short pork [20:09]
mircea_popescu lol [20:09]
* lobbes can't help but imagine feral hamplanets running around arkansas [20:09]
BingoBoingo lobbes: Feral hamplanets don't run around. They stay indoors, in bed, and get "home health" nurses too keep them... cleaner... [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20475 @ 0.0007609 = 15.5794 BTC [+] [20:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that's kinda the thing with the earlier "oh, they'll get out of the pen, fat is compressible" [20:11]
mircea_popescu no, they won't. they'll sit there and cry. [20:11]
BingoBoingo It's compressible to a point, but the bigger point is most of them won't make it to the edge of the pen [20:12]
BingoBoingo And the gateposts can always be made taller [20:12]
mircea_popescu what gate ? [20:12]
mircea_popescu no gate. [20:12]
BingoBoingo the gate is the 1 ft space [20:13]
mircea_popescu ah [20:13]
BingoBoingo Round these parts we use gate to refer to ungated fence openings too [20:14]
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BingoBoingo Also, Ver can't to valid SSL cert https://archive.is/OLvvk [20:17]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6MaM ) [20:17]
BingoBoingo Also, Lafond had a solution to the 'Murican Professetorial socialist problem too http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2931 [20:18]
assbot JL: ‘Consumerist and Hyper-Protective’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL6PUj ) [20:18]
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shinohai https://redd.it/3lv366 "If you truly believe that devices need to be loaded with Bitcoin, why wouldn't you just print out a QR, tape it to your Raspberry pi, and fund it with $700 in Bitcoin?" [20:25]
assbot So... can we agree that 21 Inc is the Cue Cat of Bitcoin? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL78hG ) [20:25]
* BingoBoingo actually would like a cue cat, not so much usg Po-Po plug [20:26]
BingoBoingo https://www.librarything.com/more/store/cuecat [20:30]
assbot Barcode scanners | LibraryThing ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL7epK ) [20:30]
* shinohai hereby dubs the 21 by BingoBoingo 's name .. PoPo plug [20:30]
BingoBoingo gotta keep the hyphen [20:30]
shinohai I was too lazy to alt to the hyphen, using my ancient droid to irc. [20:31]
BingoBoingo The Po-Po plug is a distant relative of the traditional urban American dance the 5-0 fondle [20:31]
gernika 1 month + later I make it past 367850. anyway. moving forward. [20:34]
shinohai gratz gernika [20:34]
gernika thanks shinohai [20:35]
shinohai I'm at 320740 and climbing, slow but sue. [20:35]
shinohai *sure [20:35]
mircea_popescu actually 365 to 370k some of the messiest blocks in all of the chain [20:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00075463 = 52.6732 BTC [-] {4} [20:38]
shinohai waiting on realbitcoin to sync at least gave me time to make a sweet tmux config for it. [20:39]
shinohai amongst other things. [20:40]
BingoBoingo 365 to 370 has been the slowest part of my craptop sync so far [20:40]
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gernika Would like to get my machine in a DC - but the cheapest hosting rate for a 1U I can find around here is $200.00/mo. Which is 4x more than I last paid for the same service. [20:42]
shinohai That's what I'm using, a cruddy old laptop. Glad it was in the library locked up really well. [20:43]
BingoBoingo I've seen 1U hosting as low as $45-50 [20:46]
shinohai I might host a node down the road a bit, my experience trying this with Atlantic was less-than-stellar and set me back some. [20:50]
BingoBoingo who is atlantic? [20:51]
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shinohai https://www.atlantic.net/ [20:51]
assbot Atlantic.Net Cloud Server Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1iL7J2V ) [20:51]
BingoBoingo fuck them [20:51]
shinohai Got billed $250 for bandwidth overages [20:51]
shinohai I still have an account, just not gonna try and run bitcoind there, especially when they don't have a clue what it is. [20:52]
shinohai Accused me of "mining" from the get-go, shut me down, I bitched and got it back up only to be charged that insane fee. [20:53]
BingoBoingo Well, merely running a node is a cpu hog [20:53]
shinohai CS told me when I paid for initial service it wouldn't be a problem. I tried to explain it in the clearest way possible. [20:55]
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shinohai I further explained the sheer idiocy of using a cloud instance to mine with, I wasn't some redditard from r/beermoney trying to collect dust. [20:56]
shinohai Oh well, live and learn. [20:59]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282971 << omg1111111111 i can't afford 'boeing' !! where is my NEED-BASED AID !??!! [21:01]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 23:00:31; BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/03/16/hamilton [21:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seriously of you can't affor quality student, just buy more poor students [21:02]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282992 << what's the logic here...? [21:03]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 23:09:41; mircea_popescu: no, they won't. they'll sit there and cry. [21:03]
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shinohai https://twitter.com/TechCrunch/status/646464253520662528 <<< looking like that, I'll bet she could disrupt damn near anything. [21:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's tyhe logic where! [21:21]
mircea_popescu http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/22/controversial-drug-ceo-was-accused-of-serious-harassment.html << so it begins. [21:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMzleT ) [21:21]
mircea_popescu i bet the "controversial" ceo now uses his vast wealth to fucking hang the entire troop of assholes, including the da involved. [21:22]
mircea_popescu o wait. different film. [21:22]
cazalla shinohai, tranny? [21:24]
phf no an american woman [21:24]
* BingoBoingo in other news is finally trolling craigslit looking for an affordable heavy bag + stand combo [21:25]
cazalla stands are shit BingoBoingo put a pole and bracket up in ya backyard and hang off that [21:27]
mircea_popescu ^ [21:27]
BingoBoingo This is going in a basement space where a prior retard fucking drywalled the basement ceiling [21:28]
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shinohai cazalla: could be, does have that Catlyn Jenner look going on. [21:34]
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deedbot- [Trilema] Very Bad Things - http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/ [21:45]
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danielpbarron https://archive.is/SQvAX << doesn't this just sum up all of progressivism? "I have an excuse as to why I can't do X, but I'm sure someone else has it covered anyway." [21:57]
assbot BECK$ on Twitter: "@danielpbarron I'm personally too busy to kick your ass but don't worry I'm sure someone else will" ... ( http://bit.ly/1WhlLYq ) [21:57]
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* BingoBoingo after last outing with steel pole in the back yard picked up a pair of sweet gel bag gloves today. The steel pole felt like butterfly kisses wearing them. [22:02]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [22:25]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 231.05, vol: 19360.19909638 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.727, vol: 9050.40035 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 232.38, vol: 19624.07560481 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 233.75, vol: 1.0114 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 234.764763, vol: 22527.21820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 228.6, vol: 155.15770741 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 232.695018096, vol: 49.36617696 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [22:25]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-09-2015#1283048 << i didn't see any mention of a da [22:38]
assbot Logged on 23-09-2015 00:20:26; mircea_popescu: i bet the "controversial" ceo now uses his vast wealth to fucking hang the entire troop of assholes, including the da involved. [22:38]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282482 << daily, as a tea timer, albeit the worst tea timer there ever was (doesn't work X% of the time due to requiring internet connection) [22:38]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 14:34:46; mircea_popescu: does anyone even use that thing ? [22:38]
asciilifeform also usg giveth, usg taketh away. a 'pharma ceo' has so much as one cent purely by the good graces of hitler - who helpfully keeps penny-a-pill indian generics mostly out of u.s. market [22:38]
asciilifeform why this particular schmuck was chosen as the whipping boy of the day, i do not know. but tlp's dictum 'if you're reading it, it's for you' comes to mind. [22:39]
BingoBoingo ;;more [22:40]
gribble 232.300052767 [22:40]
asciilifeform but in the purely physical sense, a $10 (not even speaking of $1000) pill of ANY CONTENTS WHATSOEVER makes precisely as much sense as a $1M software package. [22:40]
asciilifeform i.e. something which can only exist at usg gunpoint. [22:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: SInce it is old news but super trending I'll have a piece on the particulars of this FDA sanctioned pharma racket in the next day or so [22:41]
BingoBoingo But the short story for #b-a regs is this a a corn problem. If you can you must, and the FDA says you must, [22:42]
asciilifeform consider, where other than pharma does cost have no impact whatsoever on demand ? [22:42]
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asciilifeform my current understanding re: the firm from the link is that it specialized in ultra-low-demand items for which there is unlikely to be competition from foreign generics. clever. [22:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'must' my arse. fda as it exists today is a creature of the pharma cartels. [22:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: COnsider though that this particular pharma slug is taking the other pharma slugs demanda upon the FDA to their logical extreme [22:47]
* asciilifeform failed to parse this sentence [22:48]
BingoBoingo He realizes that he has an easy button to get ALL of the dolalrs [22:48]
BingoBoingo So why not get all of the Do-lolars? [22:48]
asciilifeform the 'easy button' normally leads to 'have problems' [22:48]
BingoBoingo Only scandal is he is a young buck taking the old stags to task [22:48]
BingoBoingo And yes the is "having problems" [22:49]
BingoBoingo But it is also the ONLY thing one can do [22:49]
BingoBoingo Imagine if someone bough a symbolics machine or Unix 7 and asserted re-Patent rights? [22:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why imagine? it happened ! [22:50]
asciilifeform ;;google darl mcbride [22:50]
gribble Darl McBride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Darl McBride | LinkedIn: ; Darl McBride - Wikiquote: [22:50]
BingoBoingo And in pharma when it happens they have steroids [22:50]
BingoBoingo Darl McBride's sphicter was chronically relaxed, prolly too much botox. [22:51]
asciilifeform the 'quotes' esp. lulzy. [22:51]
BingoBoingo Pharma has had a few more "soft power" understandings. Like if the Jews in Israel at Teva can break even on a generic it isn'r really abandoned and such. [22:52]
BingoBoingo The differnce between Darl and this pharma lol-cow is all this one does is use the rules exactly as intended without ambiguity [22:53]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b24 [22:57]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ~this~ particular l0lcow wouldn't even be a lolcow if he hadn't insisted on trolling all of usa with cameras rolling [22:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure. Darl was a lolcow because he forced his position on ambiguity. This one though lolcows by hitting everything and only those things he is explicitly allowed to. [22:58]
* BingoBoingo recomends if one gets malaria one ought to do so outside the US at the moment [22:58]
asciilifeform this is the most galling thing, to civilians. recall mircea_popescu's 'pound of flesh' article. [22:58]
BingoBoingo Sure, it galls at first them you heal... and the scar galls [23:00]
asciilifeform the one thing you can be sure of it that at the end of the day the 'answer' will be something like 'pillz cost too much, need moar obamacare' [23:02]
BingoBoingo Or Obamacare breaks... pretty sure the goal here was breaking Obolacare [23:02]
asciilifeform rather than 'nuke intellectualpropertyism, dekulakize and publicly behead everyone who profited from its imposition' [23:02]
BingoBoingo But this is not the first dirt cheap drug to turn uranium plated by any stretch [23:03]
asciilifeform nope. [23:03]
asciilifeform it's a piece of orchestrated hysteria to draw fire away from the serious operators. [23:03]
BingoBoingo Uric acid, still expensive after being under a dollar per arbitrary time span supply [23:03]
asciilifeform know what the crowning glory here is? no drug whatsoever in an ~actual free market~ could ever cost $100/pill. it costs less than this to pay ukraininan chemists to make $arbitrarycompound. [23:05]
asciilifeform i watched it happen, on usg tax dollar no less. [23:06]
asciilifeform with no bureaucratic obstacles in the way (Officially not intended to be fed to human) - can get ANYTHING made for $20K or so, in Kg+ qty. [23:06]
asciilifeform so the 'disease is rare, 1mg pill costs $100' thing is a crock of shit. [23:07]
asciilifeform being able to charge $100/mg for an organic sludge is a crown concession. [23:08]
BingoBoingo Of course [23:09]
asciilifeform based wholly on the presence of armed thugs enforcing 'intellectual property' [23:09]
BingoBoingo Anything necessarily more expensive must be injected because monoclonal or delicate living origins [23:10]
asciilifeform the $100/mg thing was grudgingly accepted by many thinking people on account of 'must fund RESEARCH!111!!111' [23:10]
asciilifeform but the 'research' is not happening. [23:10]
asciilifeform hasn't been, for a decade or more. [23:10]
asciilifeform and this is more or less universally known at this point. [23:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aha, i specifically said 'pill' [23:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Hence the caveat [23:11]
BingoBoingo But even now those things are going from treatments for the rare and debilitating to treatments for the common and hammy [23:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: at some point, the 'intellectual property RIGHTS!!!!11!!!1!1' idiots will get what they have been so loudly begging for: underground pharma labz in every town. [23:14]
asciilifeform retool from meth. [23:14]
asciilifeform of course, i won't know when this has happened, you'll have to ask somebody who lives on the 'tide usd' planet. [23:15]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Consider bupropion, the one USG blessed mood regulating dopamine reuptake inhibitor. Simple chlorinated amphetamine on the ring. I wonder more who can't make it than who can [23:21]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron watch the guy being like 112 lbs and really awkward too [23:53]
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-assbot- You voiced psztorc for 30 minutes. [23:53]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform> why this particular schmuck was chosen as the whipping boy of the day << was in the news recently, '87 born catamite of "tiger fund" gonzo increased price of some shitty expired patent medicine nobody else was manufacturing because us is as springy as a dead halibut. [23:54]
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BingoBoingo Actuall rather commonly used medicine. Part of 'Malarone' the premier anti-malarial cocktail. [23:58]
BingoBoingo But now the solo drug costs more than the combo. [23:58]
BingoBoingo Never mind the cheaper combo is more effective against what either treats and gets literally all the save-Africa subsidies [23:59]
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