Forum logs for 21 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00075068 = 17.3407 BTC [+] [00:28]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 8.27551304 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - [00:39]
asciilifeform full height, 17 connections [00:41]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell adlai what was all that about ...? [00:48]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:48]
asciilifeform !rated adlai [00:49]
assbot You have not rated adlai. [00:49]
asciilifeform !rate adlai 2 horseman of common lisp robopocalypse [00:50]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [00:50]
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Birdman Im looking for a staker on swcpoker, here are two graphs showing my statistics there [00:50]
assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( ) [00:50]
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asciilifeform !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.adlai.2:40d46c35ffca536c78fd9ee8b58a1c7337964c9754adb15e2a76a22e582f7944 [00:50]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 2 for adlai with note: horseman of common lisp robopocalypse [00:50]
asciilifeform Birdman: what's a 'staker' ? [00:51]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: your naming conventions are lovely [00:51]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: which ? [00:51]
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Birdman Someone to invest the money to bank roll my play for expected profits [00:52]
ben_vulpes bucephalus, zoolag, ignatius [00:52]
asciilifeform people take investors to play poker now ?!! [00:52]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: incitatus [00:52]
asciilifeform caligula's horse. [00:52]
ben_vulpes Birdman: has swc solved collusion? [00:52]
* ben_vulpes bows [00:52]
asciilifeform and senator. [00:52]
ben_vulpes i need ecc meatram [00:53]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i have some but don't know where to buy it [00:53]
asciilifeform not sure if it is made any more. [00:53]
ben_vulpes o.O [00:53]
ben_vulpes wat [00:53]
asciilifeform aha i think it was .su only product.. [00:54]
asciilifeform l0l [00:54]
ben_vulpes i dun even b'leev u [00:54]
Birdman They are not in the wot and dont use any authentication, though tournaments usually make collusion not profitable [00:54]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: familiar with 'caribou mathematics contest'? [00:54]
asciilifeform can't say i am [00:54]
ben_vulpes Birdman: i'm taking the girl on a cross-state line run, but please tell me later how tournaments make collusion unprofitable [00:55]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: came in on the local homeschooling wotwire [00:55]
asciilifeform i assume it is an olympiad of one kind or another ? [00:55]
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mircea_popescu man that eth bet :D [00:57]
asciilifeform srsly [00:57]
mircea_popescu people take investors to play poker now ?!! << this is older than litecoin. [00:57]
asciilifeform why would anyone take this up [00:58]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how the world works. [00:58]
asciilifeform evidently! [00:58]
mircea_popescu nevada casinos gross in the billions. it's a distraction. [00:59]
asciilifeform no that part makes sense [00:59]
asciilifeform but why would anyone pay some other fella to play poker ~in his stead~ [00:59]
mircea_popescu why would someone pay some other fella to fuck his wife in his stead ? [01:00]
mircea_popescu if you'll excuse the pon. [01:00]
asciilifeform so the equivalent in card game would be... a puckold ? [01:00]
mircea_popescu it's a distraction. [01:00]
mircea_popescu lol. [01:00]
asciilifeform (pockold? cackold?) [01:00]
mircea_popescu nono because queen of spades. [01:01]
asciilifeform bitcoin-ruby:0.0.6 << l0l [01:02]
asciilifeform did not know this existed. [01:02]
cazalla Birdman, i know a game up in binghamton, ya interested? [01:07]
cazalla full of municipal workers but i reckon you could take it down [01:07]
Birdman I appreciate the offer but that is too far for me [01:07]
asciilifeform ;;later tell kakobrekla << for wiki ? [01:08]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:08]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 02:32:46; asciilifeform: Bucephalus: [01:08]
mircea_popescu is this from rounders ? [01:08]
cazalla mircea_popescu, lol yeah [01:08]
asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes consider installing a therealbitcoin node in your little shop of horrors ? [01:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:13]
asciilifeform we could very much use more of these sitting on proper commercial wires, with static ip, qos, clean mains power, etc [01:14]
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mircea_popescu !up vkmc [01:15]
-assbot- You voiced vkmc for 30 minutes. [01:15]
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mircea_popescu cazalla so didja manage to get it going ? [01:16]
cazalla nope [01:17]
cazalla at which point i sat and wished i could actually use a computer [01:17]
assbot ... ( ) [01:17]
cazalla busted muh steam games (tf2 and csgo) in the process somehow, prob all the shit i installed at the cli without having a clue what it was [01:19]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. - [01:38]
mircea_popescu cazalla betcha you didn't do the export lines like it's said in the recipe [01:45]
mircea_popescu used multiple windows or who knows what. [01:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00074411 = 11.4965 BTC [-] [01:49]
mircea_popescu hey mike_c if you read this... need a super noob crafter in eulora. or i guess mod6 ? you ever crafted mod6 ? [01:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074411 = 12.8731 BTC [-] [01:52]
asciilifeform << i dare say the ro was more readable !! [01:57]
assbot The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [01:57]
mircea_popescu o.O [01:58]
mircea_popescu romanian not really pete's strong language is it ? [01:58]
asciilifeform ;;later tell pete_dushenski [02:05]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:05]
assbot The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [02:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074758 = 28.2585 BTC [+] [02:08]
mod6 mircea_popescu: i'm somewhere around lvl 70 crafter. [02:11]
mircea_popescu ah [02:11]
mod6 looking for someone with lower rank? [02:12]
mod6 I successfully made a samovar once, and then turned my attention to mining :] [02:12]
mircea_popescu :p [02:18]
mircea_popescu yeah need someone who's practically a virgin [02:18]
mod6 ah ok. thanks for checking though. [02:19]
asciilifeform zoolag: 54 bucephalus: 19 [02:20]
mircea_popescu got 15 (if we're talking connections) [02:22]
asciilifeform this leads me to unpleasant 'we are a parallel universe' line of thought [02:24]
asciilifeform how many boxes might we suppose presently exist that are honestly describable as a bitcoin node ? [02:24]
asciilifeform i.e. no 'headers-first' or other gavinisms, no ssl or other hearnias, etc [02:25]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, obviously 50 windows and ran the commands in each one multiple times [02:26]
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cazalla seriously though, tried to cook it on 14.04, nfi if that is why i had issues but probable given guide is for 10.04 [02:28]
cazalla can settle for 12.04 but steam does not work on 10.04 so useless for me for desktop [02:29]
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mircea_popescu aha [02:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, like a dozen i guess. [02:34]
mircea_popescu cazalla did the first step (compiling cal3d) return with errors ? [02:35]
mircea_popescu sorry, cs not cal3d [02:35]
cazalla i wouldn't even know tbh [02:36]
cazalla spat out all manner of shit that might as well be in another language [02:36]
cazalla didn't have a line with AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP to comment out either [02:37]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11082 @ 0.00074758 = 8.2847 BTC [+] [02:37]
cazalla i'll dig another hdd out the garage to install 10.04 on and try again [02:38]
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punkman hmm, I see the backup gremlins have been working extra hard the last couple weeks [03:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00074758 = 2.4491 BTC [+] [03:52]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [03:55]
gribble Current Blocks: 375438 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1553 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [03:55]
cazalla [04:00]
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punkman [04:46]
assbot URRGH! Evil app WATCHES YOU WATCHING PORN, snaps your grimace • The Register ... ( ) [04:46]
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punkman [05:37]
assbot Support for Japan’s Abe sags after security bills passed [05:37]
punkman "Public support for Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe fell after the passage of controversial national security bills, which could let troops fight overseas for the first time since the end of World War Two" [05:37]
punkman "Life vests left by refugees on Lesbos, Greece" [05:41]
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punkman "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party." [06:03]
punkman [06:03]
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fluffypony [06:31]
assbot [PSA] I end up losing 17% on P2P lending sites after 2 months. I strongly advise avoiding using them if you are a lender. : Bitcoin ... ( ) [06:31]
fluffypony that is truly surprising [06:31]
fluffypony I'm so surprised [06:31]
fluffypony this is my surprised face [06:31]
mircea_popescu supa suparised. [06:32]
mircea_popescu !up ffmad [06:32]
-assbot- You voiced ffmad for 30 minutes. [06:32]
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shinohai Lending to gamblers is always a great idea, fluffypony [06:42]
punkman I thought you were supposed to only lose ~20% a year [06:43]
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punkman "How many investments did auto-invest make for you?" "About 30 on BTCJam. I'm hoping to turn the loss into profit with the Law of Big Numbers though I'm not optimistic." [06:46]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [06:48]
fluffypony lol [06:52]
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cazalla Invested:0.17 BTC.. almost like scammers trying to out-invest fellow scammers but get scammed themselves [07:03]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 22.28508574 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - [07:06]
mircea_popescu the fellowsheep of the scamvestor [07:06]
mircea_popescu the irony being that all this is EXACTLY like silicon valley vc / generally vc. [07:07]
mircea_popescu except those schmucks don't have friends in the printer house. [07:07]
shinohai <<< For so,e reason I can't see this [07:08]
assbot Quiz: Do You Know the Basics of Bitcoin? ... ( ) [07:08]
shinohai 21 friggin scripts just to view an article. Fuck you coindesk. [07:08]
mircea_popescu obviously you don't know the basics of webcoin. [07:09]
cazalla half expected to get some CPA offer at the end of that quiz shinohai [07:10]
cazalla then again, have ublock going so it probably had one but was blocked [07:10]
shinohai Or "Congrats, you passed! Here's some VC monies to get started." [07:10]
* cazalla tries again without ublock [07:11]
fluffypony how is knowing about BitLicense a "basic" of Bitcoin? [07:12]
fluffypony what a stupid quiz [07:13]
shinohai I like mircea_popescu 's quiz better. [07:13]
cazalla fluffypony, shut up, i got 10/10 ok, i'm a certified expert now [07:13]
assbot ... ( ) [07:13]
fluffypony so did I [07:13]
fluffypony and I didn't become a certified anything :-P [07:13]
mircea_popescu im trying to think what'd be more irrelevant to bitcoin than "bitlicense". [07:18]
mircea_popescu ethereum, perhaps. [07:18]
mircea_popescu bitcoinxt [07:18]
mircea_popescu o check it out, 2/3 items in cazalla's screenshot are about usgavin's scamcoin. and wtf is [07:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00074471 = 20.9636 BTC [-] {3} [07:19]
shinohai is that new venture that promises to help LE track down bitcoin criminals. [07:19]
cazalla "SABR monitors multiple blockchains to identify and locate criminal activity." [07:19]
shinohai [07:20]
assbot Startup is Helping to Catch Bitcoin's Criminals ... ( ) [07:20]
mircea_popescu hm, anyone with a bunch of time on his hands wanna do some social media work for me ? [07:28]
mircea_popescu lol could have caught my foot. [07:29]
mircea_popescu !up Anduck [07:29]
-assbot- You voiced Anduck for 30 minutes. [07:29]
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mircea_popescu yo anduck what are you doing these days ? [07:29]
kakobrekla !rated Anduck [07:29]
assbot You rated user Anduck on 22-Dec-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works.. [07:29]
mircea_popescu that, i know. [07:30]
kakobrekla k [07:30]
mircea_popescu where's vexual when you need him. [07:31]
shinohai mircea_popescu: What sort of social media work may I ask? [07:32]
mircea_popescu deviant art. [07:32]
shinohai Kewl. [07:33]
mircea_popescu specifically : i need a large drawing to illustrate "death" in eulora. the job is to trawl the entire fucking site until you find GOOD, gothy-like drawings of at least 2k px wide, and show them to me [07:33]
mircea_popescu if i like em, ask the author if he'd like to have it featured in game, bring him over here, he gets some btc dust, all is well. [07:33]
mircea_popescu basically spend all day clicking through deviant art. [07:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00074325 = 26.1624 BTC [-] [07:35]
shinohai I'll trawl some and see what I find. That artist that drew your bitcoin collage can't draw "death" ? [07:35]
mircea_popescu of course he can. [07:35]
mircea_popescu but i'd rather give some guy a chance to strike a conversation with deeply disturbed 16 yo girls first. [07:36]
shinohai xD [07:36]
mircea_popescu oh, i thought you meant jason juta, the guy that made the thing was based off. [07:38]
mircea_popescu the bitcoin collage was actually drawn by a chick. [07:38]
shinohai <<< I like this death already. [07:38]
assbot ... ( ) [07:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, i don't really want line art. i want stuff more like that yeah [07:39]
mircea_popescu actually that one's not half bad. [07:39]
mircea_popescu ask the author. [07:39]
mircea_popescu tho if you had any sense you'd stick to womenz. [07:40]
* shinohai will attempt to find women that aren't sjw's and insane on deviantart [07:40]
mircea_popescu what's wrong with sjw ? :D [07:41]
davout hello [07:42]
mircea_popescu ohai. [07:42]
davout "if we don't have a plausible scaling story soon, banks are going to start experimenting with permissioned blockchains." [07:42]
mircea_popescu ONOES [07:42]
mircea_popescu how about banks start experimenting with fitting my cock up their uvula. [07:42]
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davout every single time I think reddit has hit the bottom, it out-stupids itself [07:43]
mircea_popescu it's going there anyway. [07:43]
davout and digs moar [07:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, bbl. [07:43]
shinohai I like this one too, and she is Spanish female: [07:43]
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mircea_popescu shinohai not bad but wrong proportion. i need landscape that's portrait. [07:43]
punkman here's an artist suggestion [07:43]
assbot Problem Glyphs ... ( ) [07:43]
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davout mircea_popescu: liked the "You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth." a lot [07:45]
davout also pls to x.eur, we're the 21st... [07:46]
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cazalla probably not what you want size wise [07:52]
assbot Four Horsemen - Death by JoakimEricsson on DeviantArt ... ( ) [07:52]
cazalla [07:54]
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mircea_popescu davout ah yes, here you are! ok euroing. [08:09]
mircea_popescu you know who else liked it a lot ? twitter, apaprently! [08:09]
mircea_popescu [08:09]
shinohai How have I been here ~6 moths and never found the trilema twitter account. [08:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00075107 = 20.5042 BTC [+] {5} [08:11]
mircea_popescu because new chick on the block (social media expert in civil life) insisted to make a bunch of those shits YESTERDAY [08:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43004 @ 0.00074206 = 31.9115 BTC [-] {3} [08:12]
punkman did she buy a bunch of retweets? [08:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4792 @ 0.00074113 = 3.5515 BTC [-] [08:13]
danielpbarron speaking of social media, allow me the first to mention that #BaeOfPigs is a thing, and probably the best hashtag ever conceived [08:16]
punkman pretty good :D [08:17]
cazalla sheeit, poor gavin relegated to the edges of the photoshoot [08:18]
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shinohai Goog God Gavin is a Fat Fuck, isn't he? [08:18]
cazalla i get the impression charlie lee and bobby lee are brothers in the sense some white american couple bought them from an orphanage or something [08:20]
mircea_popescu davout you should be all set. [08:29]
mircea_popescu punkman looking at it i guess she must have. [08:29]
mircea_popescu which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz. [08:29]
* mircea_popescu idly hoovered over the faces, saw various VC minded folks, didn't realise retweets are a different rubric. [08:30]
mircea_popescu it now occurs to me this is maybe not even coincidental. [08:31]
punkman could be some kind of spamtweet exchange too. tweet shit, get credits, spend em on other tweets [08:31]
mircea_popescu o you know... damn. [08:31]
mircea_popescu so that's what they do on the cellphones all day. [08:31]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron what's bae of pigs ? [08:32]
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punkman mircea_popescu: [08:33]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 09:01:16; punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party." [08:33]
mircea_popescu cazalla at least he fattened nicely. [08:33]
mircea_popescu o [08:33]
kakobrekla i lost track of node, are dulap, zoolag and incitatus still in game? [08:35]
kakobrekla nodes [08:35]
VariaVarietatis mircea_popescu: I got a question about one of the footnotes in that article vi if peter is trading away 80% of his company to Richard for 1m at a 5m valuation?(number she used) but selling it at a 20% discount does that mean the term value is 4m and the valuation is 5m how does that work? [08:35]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla except for dulap iirc. [08:35]
kakobrekla ok [08:35]
mircea_popescu VariaVarietatis peter's company ? [08:35]
mircea_popescu anyway, 20% discount because he gets to own 20% of the million he brought himself, as well as of richard's company. [08:37]
mircea_popescu he doesn't trade 1mn for 20% of richard's company. he trades 1mn for 20% of richard's company and 20% of 1mn. [08:37]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla but there's also my unnamed one as well as bucephalus or w/e the recent one got called. [08:38]
fluffypony [08:42]
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VariaVarietatis mircea_popescu: so he gets 200k cash 800k goes into the company account richard gets 80% peter gets 20% going from PP1 to PP2 here? also how does the note part work I thought notes didn't get converted into equity until the company investors or is he filling his own note? still lost. [08:51]
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mircea_popescu he gets no cash. [08:51]
mircea_popescu well at least not normally. [08:52]
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VariaVarietatis mircea_popescu: where does the 200k go? [08:52]
mircea_popescu nowhere. [08:52]
shinohai thx kakobrekla for making list. [08:53]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla missing [08:53]
kakobrekla which one is that, does it have a name? [08:54]
mircea_popescu it's mine. [08:54]
kakobrekla ok [08:54]
mircea_popescu i never named it. [08:54]
kakobrekla you just did [08:54]
mircea_popescu ? [08:55]
kakobrekla added [08:56]
mircea_popescu worx [08:56]
VariaVarietatis mircea_popescu: so the company only gets 20% of the 1mn, what about the other 80% where does that come in? [08:57]
mircea_popescu dude. richard has a fish. peter has a million. they make a deal, now peter has 20% of (fish+million). [08:57]
mircea_popescu so he paid 1mn for 20% of fish + 20% of million. so he paid in the end 800k for 20% of fish, so he got fish at 1mn with 20% discount. [08:58]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform unrelatred items. [19:51]
mircea_popescu hory shit 130 eth bet. [19:53]
* BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea) [19:55]
mircea_popescu lol srsly ? [19:55]
BingoBoingo Government Motors kills people with flimsy ignition locks and VW decides their smallest car is fine without pisstank, yet VW is the bigger villain [19:56]
BingoBoingo srsly [19:56]
BingoBoingo they call the shit "adblue" 35% urea in aqueaous solution. Gets pissed into the exhaust stream [19:56]
mircea_popescu but... why ? [19:57]
BingoBoingo Because of Nitrogen oxides [19:57]
mircea_popescu lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss. [19:57]
mircea_popescu oh. [19:57]
BingoBoingo Because instead of letting efficient diesels with their turbos and insane compression produce a bit more oxidized nitrogen, make them emulate naturally aspirated gasoline vehicle [19:58]
mircea_popescu bureaucracy at work. "one thing got away and all other things got to be that thing now. because easier to have a central exception" [19:59]
mircea_popescu this is the fundamentally centralizing nature of bureaucracy. "gotta have one king, and preferably he be dead." [19:59]
BingoBoingo Because why accept engineering compromises when you can instead invent a tank that pisses into the exhaust and feed monsanto more bezzel [20:00]
punkman why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. [20:01]
* BingoBoingo remebers there supposedly being a piss backed atlcoin advertised on bitcointalk at one point [20:01]
BingoBoingo why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. << Biologic piss isn't good enough. Need special monsanto pure piss. [20:01]
punkman [20:02]
assbot The Bourne Aesthetic – blarg? ... ( ) [20:02]
mircea_popescu but you could add a gas cromatograph in the exhaust, diagnose driver's odds of getting kidney stones [20:02]
mircea_popescu while he waits in traffic. [20:02]
BingoBoingo lol [20:02]
shinohai BingoBoingo: ? [20:02]
assbot [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer ... ( ) [20:02]
BingoBoingo Well, now diesel exhaust contains ammonia, because THAT is SO MUCH BETTER than NOx [20:02]
BingoBoingo shinohai: That one [20:02]
shinohai That one gave me quite a few lolz [20:03]
phf [20:05]
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punkman "I dont wanna live in a city where a rat cant drag a hard-earned slice of pizza down a subway staircase without being tormented by the media" [20:21]
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mircea_popescu i cant even. [20:24]
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mircea_popescu "No, you pedo-peso hoarding little shit lizard. One of your sociopathic free-market libertarian brethren took it upon themselves to threaten a real person and people around them in their place of work making them genuinely fearful." [20:29]
mircea_popescu ahahaha what the ever living fuck. [20:29]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is stolfi and who the fuck cares about his bizarro cover-up for his own retirement. [20:29]
mircea_popescu guy got bored of being stupid, i get it, no need to pretend like HORRIBRU FORCES AFOOT. [20:30]
BingoBoingo lol [20:30]
mircea_popescu anyway. if this works so well, i guess we need to sean more of sa then ? [20:31]
mircea_popescu put the fear of god into them, as that guy said. [20:31]
mircea_popescu because lulz. [20:33]
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mircea_popescu (that guy, J.E. Freeman) [20:38]
mircea_popescu btw, asciilifeform you know who invented "teledildonics" rite ? [20:40]
asciilifeform nope [20:40]
mircea_popescu "HTML is precisely what we were trying to PREVENT" guy. [20:40]
mircea_popescu ted nelson. [20:40]
asciilifeform l0l [20:40]
mircea_popescu he's right, too. it is. [20:40]
* asciilifeform owns pretty much the whole of nelson's collected output, on dead tree [20:41]
* asciilifeform still working his way through it, sporadically [20:41]
mircea_popescu (not for the reason he cites, or at least not exactly, he fails to understand the deep rpoblems with "rights management", (which are what "version management" is in an edulcorated form) [20:41]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, yes, link rot and no bijection. who the fuck wants this piece of shit. [20:42]
mircea_popescu hint : the "expectations" about "what the internet is" which were build in the 90s by people about as informed or inclined to think as the current "blockchain technologies" crowd, are predicated on a MAXIMAL EXTENSION of an optimal ideal nelsonian network. [20:43]
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mircea_popescu they have zit to do with the html&javascript internet of today. [20:43]
BingoBoingo That Lopp fellow shilling for 21 nao [20:43]
asciilifeform the micropayment thing has to be taken in context. it was 1960s and his vision was arguably an improvement of 'if you want to make money from thinking, have a job in usg academia' [20:43]
BingoBoingo [20:43]
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asciilifeform *improvement over [20:44]
mircea_popescu all that shit re culture and whatnot, all the pretense of wikipedia to relevance, the whole kaboodle : an overstated maximal output of an optimistic evaluation of a technological base that a) never actually existed in fact and b) has meanwhile been substituted by a provably worse alternative IN ALL THE POINTS [20:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he was always 21 "evanghelism" afaik. [20:44]
asciilifeform the other thing that folks often forget is that neither nelson nor anybody else seriously expected illiterate derps to get their hands on the machines [20:44]
BingoBoingo Ah [20:45]
mircea_popescu this is how vc circus works, spend 10-20mn on "a venture", part of which goes to "a respectable voice" etc. [20:45]
asciilifeform any more than schoolchildren are given bulldozers to play with [20:45]
mircea_popescu in the 60s ? [20:45]
asciilifeform aha [20:45]
mircea_popescu in the 60s they didn't even realise their own children will be marrying into illiterate for lack of alternative. [20:45]
asciilifeform 'computer' had stopped being a job title, but was still very much a ~place~ [20:46]
mircea_popescu when i was a kid, the #1 question hopeful spouse had to handle with the fambly was "are they smart enough" [20:46]
mircea_popescu us forgot this somehoiw. [20:46]
mircea_popescu who the fuck said "honey, she's too dumb for you and her house smells of poor people" the past decade. [20:46]
asciilifeform afaik this is still very much a thing in usa [20:47]
mircea_popescu ("smells of poor people" is in no small part ABSENCE. "intellectuals" are used to the mild allergenic reaction of paper dust mites + old ink smell in trace amounts. because 5k books around.) [20:47]
asciilifeform aha! [20:47]
asciilifeform to the point that if i travel for week+ and come home, it knocks me over nearly [20:47]
* mircea_popescu doesn't keep books anymore [20:48]
asciilifeform they didn't fit into the space capsule aha [20:48]
gernika My encyclopedia britannica smelled - not good [20:48]
gernika used to it now [20:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i took a gamble of sorts. it kinda worked. [20:48]
phf man can't keep up with that guy, first email, now books [20:48]
asciilifeform gernika: what vintage ? [20:48]
mircea_popescu what guy ? [20:48]
phf you [20:49]
asciilifeform gernika: i have a 1958 one, smells great [20:49]
mircea_popescu lol. [20:49]
shinohai Sent 20 emails out today regarding your art commission, get one chick to reply 10 minutes ago. I gave her a link to chat. [20:49]
mircea_popescu hey, i count it like giving up drinking. [20:49]
mircea_popescu i don't aim to defend it. [20:49]
gernika asciilifeform: 1958 - complete with class schedule of a junior high student from 1969. [20:49]
asciilifeform gernika: we might disagree on what means 'smells great' [20:49]
gernika asciilifeform: it's a slightly chemical smell - perhaps ammoniaish? [20:50]
asciilifeform gernika: not in mine (as far as naked nose can tell) - oddly enough [20:50]
asciilifeform other than possibly on the colour plates. [20:50]
mircea_popescu ahahahaah alf has a nose cosy ? [20:50]
asciilifeform cosy ? [20:51]
mircea_popescu o you dunno what a cosy is ? [20:51]
asciilifeform just now saw it for the first time [20:51]
mircea_popescu it's a great thing. the main by-product of the knitting culture. little clothes made to measure by bored old women for things like teapots. [20:51]
asciilifeform apparently a kind of sock ? [20:51]
* asciilifeform does not own a knitted cone (or any other kind) to wear on the nose... [20:52]
mircea_popescu it has all the symptoms of childrearing apparatus gone berserk. [20:52]
asciilifeform << l0l [20:53]
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asciilifeform and here i was thinking that hearncoin was through [20:53]
mircea_popescu so dumbass "political campaign" for some twerp here tried to have a huge rally (which is how i woke up, fucking drummers). but it's been raining, and nobody gives a shit about their crap, so they took refuge under a huge awning and there they've been, playing this inept 2 minute political soundclip (lo que la gente quiere, blabla fuckhead rodrgues) etc. this for a while, until [20:55]
mircea_popescu those fuckers. NOBODY FUCKING QUIERES. [20:55]
mircea_popescu *hanbot* i'm dressing. [20:55]
mircea_popescu huh ? [20:55]
mircea_popescu *hanbot* i am going out there to tell them to shut the fuck up. [20:55]
mircea_popescu this i gotta see. [20:55]
mircea_popescu so she went down there and they stopped. and then... were quiet for like... ten minutes. [20:55]
mircea_popescu then they started again [20:55]
mircea_popescu for maybe five minutes. and then left. [20:55]
mircea_popescu let it never be said that woman can not break things. woman can break men's spirit, and that's major. [20:56]
asciilifeform l0l [20:56]
mircea_popescu she fucking shoo'd a political campaign away from the fucking downtown landmark! [20:56]
mircea_popescu valkyrie on a stick. [20:56]
mircea_popescu i gotta teach her how to work the backpack flamethrower. [20:57]
mircea_popescu lmao. remember that monthy python supermarket scene ? [20:57]
mircea_popescu woman buys flamethrower ? [20:57]
hanbot i've got a fever, and the only prescription is moar dakka. [20:58]
mircea_popescu haha [20:58]
cazalla asciilifeform, same seller you have mentioned from time to time? [20:59]
assbot your code is so bad we had to make /etc/local/... - kremlin_t ... ( ) [20:59]
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mircea_popescu punkman nah that's mickey mouse. [21:00]
mircea_popescu golden standard is this ru 8 gallon pre-pressured mix thing [21:00]
asciilifeform cazalla: looks like dks's house, aha [21:01]
asciilifeform cazalla: (a few photos in) [21:01]
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asciilifeform cazalla: i have the 3620 (first photo) [21:01]
phf above is just a portable propane poofer, which is a sort of rite of passage for construction among burning man steel&propane crowd [21:01]
mircea_popescu ah. yea [21:02]
asciilifeform or perhaps not dks. no idea. [21:02]
punkman above uses gasoline/diesel and electric pump [21:03]
asciilifeform 'the situation was as follows: an older eccentric millionaire type had lots of this equipment rotting in his basement from years past. it needed to go, and he didn’t care much about scoring big for it. the people paying the market price for all this stuff would certainly mistreat it as they’d just flip them to profit. he wanted to see them go into loving hands who would restore them and treat them properly, but mostly want [21:03]
asciilifeform ed to see them go out of his basement. there was a lot of equipment besides the lisp machines.' [21:03]
phf for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent [21:03]
mircea_popescu ^ [21:04]
asciilifeform aha! [21:04]
mircea_popescu gas is only good for tv. [21:04]
asciilifeform this is underappreciated [21:04]
mircea_popescu two problems : the flame is "light" so it flies off and you can't get it ON things. [21:04]
mircea_popescu such as people. [21:04]
mircea_popescu you want the flame to be HEAVY so you can put it on the enemy from under cover by shooting an arc [21:05]
mircea_popescu and you want it to stick around. [21:05]
phf punkman: yeah, i've realised that i was wrong after seeing little trails on the ground [21:05]
* mircea_popescu looks again. [21:05]
cazalla yeah that line is what caught my attention, story sounded familiar to something you have said here before [21:05]
mircea_popescu mmm, the way that ONE trail looked to me was, she's firing it at a puddle of flammable something [21:05]
mircea_popescu because reflection. [21:06]
asciilifeform cazalla: except that dks is not rich. he is a very old man living in a very small house - and - at least when i visited - had a boarder. [21:06]
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asciilifeform history of flamethrower - supposedly an uninterestingly low-tech thing - is actually full of twists [21:08]
phf so according to the website, "Officially approved fuels: Gasoline (unleaded), gasoline-diesel mixture, alcohol." and "tilizes a high pressure electric fuel pump, powered by a 3S lithium-polymer battery typically used in R/C aircraft" [21:08]
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asciilifeform when ww2 started, state of the art was to have 'pilot light' [21:08]
BingoBoingo for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent << polystyrene [21:09]
asciilifeform but this drew fire, and so different ways were tried [21:09]
asciilifeform the spout turned into something disguised as approximately a normal rifle, [21:09]
asciilifeform and ignition was done electrically or even with a pistol blank cartridge. [21:09]
mircea_popescu " there was also a demand for systems that could be easily introspected, debugged, and changed by individual engineers, which was something mainframes couldn’t easily do as one mistake by one engineer could bring down a system serving dozens" <<< since we're doing the entire underappreciated point thing. [21:09]
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mircea_popescu the whole reason we EVEN THINK of software as user-serviceable is this. [21:09]
mircea_popescu of fucking course it went to shit soon thereafter. [21:10]
mircea_popescu it's a thin blade to walk. [21:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. [21:11]
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mircea_popescu "the amount of engineering effort that went into these machines far outweighs what you might get in a modern computer, and that’s something i don’t think the world will ever see again" << he's wrong, fwiw. the amount of competent work that went into art as the empire got fucked in the ass exceeded the amount before. [21:12]
mircea_popescu just, to no benefit. [21:12]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. << Only because enviro-frauds keep nuclear shaming [21:12]
mircea_popescu but on the metric he proposes, he;'s wrong. [21:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo do the math, you'll see nuclear's not on the table. [21:13]
BingoBoingo For flamethrower or bomb? [21:13]
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BingoBoingo Spz. I need a harbor? How long would that take to dig with ANFO vs. Nuclear? [21:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc they used straight kerosene in ru, in those days. [21:14]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [21:14]
asciilifeform and a separate tank for compressed air. [21:15]
asciilifeform worked well enough. [21:15]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo for bomb of equal effectivity as fuel bomb, made out of your own choice of nuclear. [21:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [21:15]
asciilifeform primary use case is really against a mostly-sealed container such as a tank or pillbox [21:15]
asciilifeform burn out the air. [21:15]
mircea_popescu many use cases. [21:15]
mircea_popescu tank, pillbox, enemy behind close ridge, [21:15]
mircea_popescu enemy in building, [21:15]
mircea_popescu fucking mice, generally speaking. [21:16]
asciilifeform the brits, in their typical 'if a thing is good, 100x of it is 100x better,' built a flamethrowing tank. [21:16]
phf BingoBoingo: we've used all kinds of stuff during childhood experiments. motor oil, tar (there was plenty of that in the country house area), bicycle tire shavings [21:16]
BingoBoingo Interesting [21:17]
mircea_popescu tar is arguably even better. [21:17]
phf not for flamethrower though, for "molotov" [21:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah lol [21:17]
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asciilifeform i've often wondered if a thermite-type reaction could be carried on in a liquid. [21:18]
phf i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics [21:19]
asciilifeform it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. [21:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no reason it shouldn't, huh. [21:19]
mircea_popescu phf yup, it was so bad at some point sports suppliers refused to sell ping pong balls to boys. [21:19]
BingoBoingo it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. << Probably ought to be dropped [21:19]
mircea_popescu "fuck you, get a girl to do it." [21:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: dropped << that's old hat. i was speaking of man-portable projectile weapons specifically. [21:20]
BingoBoingo What, weapon can be limited to use only from top of cliff [21:21]
phf oh man ping pong balls the versatile weapon manufacturing device, i'm surprised they are not yet banned in u.s. stores. make a small hole, fill it with stuff, attach a fuse [21:22]
mircea_popescu << which one of you statist shills came up with the name. [21:23]
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mircea_popescu phf what fuse, stick a length of shoelace in there, good to go. [21:23]
mircea_popescu we had specialist "turner" (kid who was adept at turning 1/4 wire around shoelace in a corkscrew pattern making ready to go puncher for ball.) [21:24]
mircea_popescu (you just used the injection hole as a starter) [21:24]
phf haa [21:24]
mircea_popescu come to think of it... no fucking wonder romania doesn't need fire alarms. [21:24]
mircea_popescu you'd have to be fucking insane to build things flammably. [21:25]
mircea_popescu or had to, at any rate. [21:25]
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phf we actually did have fuse at some point. one of the kids had one of those "engineer" fathers, who, i remember gave us, of note, soviet spectrum knockoff, rc plane engines of various sizes. he's also the one who converted part of forest glade into a "proper" badminton field, and then, with his wife as a partner, proceeded to regularly slaughter us in regular tournament matches [21:29]
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asciilifeform i did the most ordinary fuses - rope soaked in saltpetre. [21:30]
asciilifeform they worked great. [21:30]
pete_dushenski << ugh. plastic badminton shuttles. for the birds ! [21:30]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 00:17:16; phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics [21:30]
mircea_popescu but you gotta live in a shitty marsh where saltpetre is found!!1 [21:30]
BingoBoingo Apparently the New York Times endorses untrained bystanders doing cric because 'Murica is now too fat for the heimlich [21:30]
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mircea_popescu too fat for hymen lick ? not surprising! [21:31]
pete_dushenski << ayup. to quote an alf : [21:31]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 22:53:12; *: BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea) [21:31]
pete_dushenski !s i thought this was well known [21:31]
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cazalla BingoBoingo, sure i read even heimlich stopped promoting the heimlich at some point [21:32]
mircea_popescu i had no idea. [21:32]
pete_dushenski isn't it incredible the hoops that plastic-badge-loving maroons will jump through ? [21:32]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: [...] it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS << he has a point there lol. [21:33]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: well ya :D [21:33]
mircea_popescu two or three more twists of the difficulty knob, you'll be almost at the level of archeologists trying to read some stone they found. [21:33]
pete_dushenski << not a piss consideration. entirely germany's 'green but not green so then blue' branding [21:34]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 22:55:27; mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss. [21:34]
mircea_popescu real men skinnydip in the marian trench. DURING SHARK SEASON ONLY. [21:34]
pete_dushenski all the german car co's do the 'blue' thing [21:34]
mircea_popescu they had the grune punkt. why not green ? [21:34]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: real men dance on hot coals with other real men on their shoulders. in a blizzard. [21:35]
pete_dushenski green is for ze amerikans [21:35]
phf pete_dushenski: hard to source that sort of stuff in the middle of nowhere, by the time we would even consider destroying a shuttle, i'd be shredded beyond any sort of reasonable aerodynamic characteristics [21:35]
mircea_popescu hm. [21:35]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: green is, ironically, dirty. [21:36]
mircea_popescu phf wut srsly ? i take it YOUR soviet state wasn't friends with china back then huh ? [21:36]
mircea_popescu nyah nyah. [21:36]
mircea_popescu romania was awash in chinese exports. including the "drawing sets" and whatnot. [21:36]
pete_dushenski when i was in china, the giant stadiums full of badminton players, all of whom i coulda mopped the floor with, used... plastic. [21:37]
mircea_popescu i never saw a cock made out of anything but. [21:37]
pete_dushenski i guarantee that there were private clubs in soviet russia that had feather shuttles [21:37]
mircea_popescu maybe. [21:37]
pete_dushenski just not for everyone [21:37]
mircea_popescu badminton kinda had this bad rep as i grew up. [21:37]
pete_dushenski they're around $3 a pop [21:37]
mircea_popescu "what fat chicks do" [21:37]
pete_dushenski the feather shuttles [21:38]
pete_dushenski have been for years [21:38]
phf i've not seen a chinese export, until the first wave of chelnok came back with bag full of stuff from turkey (traded as i recently discovered for priceless pre-soviet antiques for pennies) [21:38]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i can see it. 'athletic but not' [21:38]
pete_dushenski the backyard sorta game that most everyone knows is exactly this [21:38]
mircea_popescu it wasn't even gay, like volley or what's that other thing, minisoccer with hands ? [21:39]
pete_dushenski lolwut [21:39]
mircea_popescu phf well they weren't priceless antiques yet. and i doubt many people seriously saw a putin future back then. [21:39]
pete_dushenski handball maybe ? [21:39]
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mircea_popescu as far as anyone could imagine, russia was going the way of ex euro colonies in africa. [21:39]
mircea_popescu a yeah handball [21:39]
mircea_popescu right, so volleyball and handball were the faggoty sports in that it's what the girls (and some guys) did. whereas you were supposed to play football like god intended, or MAYBE basketball. badminton was literally, healthclub fare, for old people and chicks of the third gender. [21:40]
mircea_popescu (this is what you get when the state embraces sports and you get mandatory sport in school and whatnot) [21:41]
phf mircea_popescu: huh, that's really odd, not much of that in su [21:41]
mircea_popescu rly ? [21:41]
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phf well, i didn't know anyone else playing badminton except our group, purely on account said father and his wife being some sort of ranked competing amateur level at some point of their lives. but i've never encountered the whole "badminton is not real sport" until i came to u.s. [21:42]
mircea_popescu honestly, most everyone was more open minded than romanians throughout forever. most hardline soviets in soviet union, would have hung nikita if possible after that thing. heck, ceausescu was trying to convince gorbacev of the errors of the past in 1987 [21:42]
mircea_popescu and before that, and hence. [21:43]
pete_dushenski << for example (and ftr) here are a couple of the guys i used to play against and train with, and what high-level amateur singles badminton looks like in canada [21:44]
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pete_dushenski << some doubles, about the level i played at in my prime [21:44]
assbot Black Knight British Columbia Junior Elite U19 Doubles Finals Badminton - YouTube ... ( ) [21:44]
mircea_popescu (i am not seriously proposing there's objective hierarchy to the respectability of sports, if that's not obvious. merely recording lived history) [21:44]
mats i don't get the basis for this 'old people and chicks of the third gender' shtick. [21:44]
mircea_popescu mats you understand how social exclusion works rite ? [21:44]
mats its accessible to the infirm and therefore, what...? [21:44]
mircea_popescu therefore undignified. [21:44]
mircea_popescu literally, the most common dismissal in kid circles was, "anyone could do that". [21:45]
mircea_popescu and the proper phraseology for a challenge, "hey, can you do this ?" [21:46]
mircea_popescu ie, "ba, tu poti asa ?" [21:46]
cazalla handball was boys only down under, cant ever recall seeing girls play but many competitive boys matches amongst all the grades [21:47]
pete_dushenski in canada, the equivalent to the 'sport for old ppl and chicks of third gender' is curling [21:47]
pete_dushenski but really it's mostly the former, old ppl and small town folk [21:47]
mircea_popescu << well of course ? i mean, they did pay into the scheme, neh ? [21:47]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 14:57:28; pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ? [21:47]
phf pete_dushenski: those videos make me itch, lol [21:48]
mircea_popescu in today's fun exotism, curling means "ass I lick" in romanian. [21:48]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so did americans, but it's not really sustainable for them ALL to get that pension they were promised. so they won't [21:48]
pete_dushenski phf: like itch to play again ? :) [21:48]
mircea_popescu which is why independence makes sense. demand you get it anyway. [21:48]
mircea_popescu as a bloc. [21:49]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: bahaha [21:49]
mircea_popescu better deal than getting raped as an individual. [21:49]
pete_dushenski laugh was about "ass i lick" [21:49]
phf pete_dushenski: doubles look weak though, like they are playing tennis, wouldn't fly with our teachers, since you were going to get one at the net, once you started camping so far back [21:49]
trinque bocce is in my mind the essential old people's backyard drinking game [21:50]
mircea_popescu ah, no drinking whatsoever. [21:50]
mircea_popescu drinking games are a diff story altogether. [21:50]
trinque oh, a friend and I drank plenty playing bocce at his house [21:50]
trinque this is what I thought badminton was for as well; something absurd to do while drinking socially [21:51]
pete_dushenski phf: ya, those kids aren't fantastic. [21:51]
mircea_popescu as seen in amato's liceale. "Ve ho fregato perche non le porto!" [21:51]
mircea_popescu drinking games mostly consist of "guess what article of clothing the boys are thinking about - if you guess right you gotta show it, if not take it off!" [21:52]
phf the height of chic was to get an opponent into a dunking game, and then do a light drop right by the net. perfectly execute resulted in shuttle skirting the edge and dropping on the other side. not sure if that's properly legal though. many a games have been lost because somebody wanted to show off and ended up hitting the net on own side [21:52]
cazalla mircea_popescu, the romanian handball is 5-6 squares with no wall or the shitty 1v1 or 2v2 players hit against the wall type of hand ball? [21:52]
mircea_popescu cazalla it's that thing where you're supposed to shoot at a small goal gate from no closer than 7 meters [21:52]
mircea_popescu special interdiction zone around it [21:52]
cazalla no ace king queen jack dunce then i guess as we did here [21:53]
mircea_popescu actually the wall thing didn't have a [single] name but it was perfectly acceptable passtime for getting the players together for a game o' football. [21:53]
pete_dushenski << for those interested, actual pro men's doubles badminton [21:53]
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pete_dushenski phf: what's 'a dunking game' ? [21:55]
cazalla i guess handball is as ambiguous as football the world over then [21:55]
mircea_popescu << amd is so fucked ;/ [21:55]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple." [21:55]
pete_dushenski and yes, hitting the net is loss of point, but other than that, sounds legal/legit [21:55]
phf pete_dushenski: i don't know any of the proper english terminology, but your video precisely illustrates my point [21:55]
mircea_popescu as predicted by alf and others. [21:55]
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pete_dushenski phf: maybe you're refering to full court 'lobs' ? these'd be called 'clears' en anglais [21:56]
phf one side is doing the whole jump and direct hit, where's the other side counters equally strong, but then sneak lower energy response to the net. in the video chinese guy doesn't clear it though [21:56]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: inb4 amd opterons are going for $1k a pop [21:57]
pete_dushenski just checked local classifieds, whole box with 'opteron' can be had for as little as $150 still [21:58]
pete_dushenski ~0.5 btc [21:58]
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phf pete_dushenski: right, according the wikipedia it's a series of lobs, followed by drop shot [21:58]
pete_dushenski aha [21:59]
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pete_dushenski phf: after watching a bit more of that u19 boys doubles vid, both sides are awfully nervous [22:00]
pete_dushenski which makes sense given that their parents are breathing down their necks 2' from the court [22:00]
pete_dushenski << much better canadian men's doubles. no nerves here. [22:01]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: not all opterons are created equal [22:02]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: aha. so what's 'alf recommended' ? [22:02]
pete_dushenski for the completely ignorant... [22:02]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: depends on what you're doing ! [22:02]
asciilifeform sorta like pete_dushenski would react if i asked 'recommend a car' [22:03]
BingoBoingo Trying to take over the world? [22:03]
pete_dushenski ok : bitcoin, pgp, web, text, youtube. [22:03]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: the hard part is to find the mobo with ecc/'registered' ram support [22:04]
asciilifeform the cpu itself is (at this time) plentiful [22:04]
pete_dushenski << man o man is this worth a chuckle [22:05]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:36; ascii_field: << vendor page. [22:05]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: see log [22:05]
pete_dushenski they won't sell 10k of these things [22:06]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: o i did [22:06]
mircea_popescu yeah, doubt the 1k a pop scenario is possible, amd never had good mb support. [22:06]
mircea_popescu and i gotta learn to form my ideas in subsecond rather than subminute intervals, or else i just repeat the damned log! [22:06]
asciilifeform i've been running 'tyan' boards for many years. [22:07]
pete_dushenski i wish 21 could be relied upon to publish sales data, which they aren't, or else i'd try to short the tards [22:07]
asciilifeform pretty much everything else afaik is junk. [22:07]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski where are they listed ? [22:07]
pete_dushenski 21 is private afaik [22:07]
pete_dushenski << heh. usistan drops from 10th to 16th in 'economic freedom' in a span of just 4 years [22:09]
assbot We're Number 16! We're Number 16!, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( ) [22:09]
mircea_popescu << because it was the one available escape from socialism ? [22:09]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:18:27; ascii_field: << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag [22:09]
asciilifeform escape l0l [22:10]
hanbot BingoBoingo / cazalla , qntra submission for consideration: [22:11]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you dispute ? [22:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not as such. but have to consider why the escape was, at least in certain cases, into mathematics rather than drink [22:12]
mircea_popescu this never happened. [22:12]
mircea_popescu undrunk ru mathematician ?! [22:12]
mircea_popescu not even in highschool teaching. [22:12]
asciilifeform or, possibly more to the point, why the escape from misery of the west is pretty much never into first-rate mathematics. [22:12]
mircea_popescu because the misery of the west is not self aware. [22:13]
mircea_popescu it's a sort of misery that masquerades as "good enough". [22:13]
asciilifeform there is this. but also the other thing. [22:13]
mircea_popescu which is ? [22:13]
asciilifeform the western model of mass education, with the conscious goal of maximally intellectually crippling the victim ? [22:14]
mircea_popescu << why do you think this is either difficult or even rare on a vm ?! [22:14]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:28:37; thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks... [22:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the su had the exact same, exactly equally conscious goal. [22:14]
mircea_popescu all education is an exercise in rape. that it's done by the state just improves the odds of it being unpleasant, [22:15]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, education is rape. [22:15]
deedbot- [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - [22:15]
asciilifeform education in su, at least in so far as it pertained to maths and the physical sciences, was most certainly not a feature of a 'make'em stupid' plan of whatever sort. [22:17]
asciilifeform the key difference is not even, as popularly supposed, in the fundamentals (although to some extent this was true) [22:18]
trinque re: qntra what of the police officer's actively seeking to collect naked teen pix [22:18]
asciilifeform but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. [22:18]
trinque *officers [22:18]
asciilifeform ftr i did not witness any of the latter personally. [22:19]
asciilifeform but it was a thing. [22:19]
asciilifeform << iirc this was in the logz week or two ago... [22:21]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:13:51; deedbot-: [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - [22:21]
asciilifeform but since it is here again, i will note that it is precisely the arbitrary cruelty that is the ~goal~ here. [22:22]
trinque maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. [22:22]
trinque and you know, knocked around by the legal system a bit [22:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Hanbot includes the news where he now plea guilty, also hard to pass up her particular style of condemnation of evil [22:24]
asciilifeform 'The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.' He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: 'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?' Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said. 'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure tha [22:24]
asciilifeform t he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.' [22:24]
asciilifeform (oughta be obvious from where) [22:25]
asciilifeform among the pua folks, this is known as 'shit test' [22:25]
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trinque I don't know that it's anything as centrally organized as Orwell's thing [22:26]
trinque they can pick on teenagers for their normal sexuality, and so they do [22:26]
asciilifeform this is not a necessary hypothesis. [22:26]
asciilifeform and yes, for normal sexuality. [22:26]
asciilifeform as described in the footnotes of [22:27]
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asciilifeform 'At a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning a woman does so only as a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furtherance of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may no [22:28]
asciilifeform t be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used. Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regula [22:28]
asciilifeform tions and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used.' [22:28]
asciilifeform ^ from mircea_popescu's piece, quoted for the logz. [22:28]
asciilifeform the particular case in question is also an instance of [22:30]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 15:21:43; asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.' [22:30]
asciilifeform all cp prosecutions are, without exception, exercises of 'lettre du cachet' powers. on account of the impossibility of proving otherwise, plus the lack of anyone giving half a rat's arse re: said proof. [22:31]
asciilifeform 'hackteam' leak revealed a spiffy, user-friendly bot module used by usg to remotely cp-ize winblowz users. it was mentioned in guess how many newspapers. [22:32]
trinque I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population [22:34]
asciilifeform and - ianal, but, afaik it is a 'strict liability' offence in usa. this means that considerations like 'i had no idea this was on my box' only count with respect to the decision to prosecute - that is, ~in the event the prosecutor deems it worthy of consideration~ - rather than on the matter of guilt or innocence. [22:34]
trinque see: abstinence camps and so on [22:34]
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mircea_popescu trinque heh, i imagine there's some pretty decent policeman teen porn stashes. [22:35]
trinque oh I'm sure they trade the things just like has been said about the NSA [22:35]
mircea_popescu but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. << kinda like outcast behaviour. [22:36]
mircea_popescu "the kid has the M disease, what do we do ? " "i dunnoi, cast him in the M pit, let them tell him how to live with it. they obviously know by now" [22:36]
asciilifeform it worked. [22:36]
mircea_popescu that it happens to work well doesn't change what it is. [22:36]
asciilifeform i personally don't give a damn if they had been doing it to please odin. [22:36]
asciilifeform it fucking worked. [22:37]
asciilifeform and in usa, it is anathema. [22:37]
mircea_popescu but we were not discussing THAT. [22:37]
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mircea_popescu maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. << everybody does. prime fuckmeat = nude teen chained to the wall. [22:38]
mircea_popescu about as likely to change as the color of sunset. [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00075144 = 24.0085 BTC [+] {4} [22:39]
danielpbarron << I can get 10k per day and it only cost me ~35 USD worth [22:39]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:29:28; ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ? [22:39]
trinque yeah, I've got no problem with it; they're the ones protesting too much [22:39]
trinque mircea_popescu: ^ [22:39]
mircea_popescu lol danielpbarron got himself a mining rig huh. [22:40]
asciilifeform see logz for my hypothesis re: why usg is handing out almost homeopathically-small miners. [22:41]
mircea_popescu i handed this one out. [22:42]
asciilifeform speaking of the other one [22:42]
asciilifeform the '21' thing [22:42]
mircea_popescu I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population << in all cases. that's how witchhunts work, and why they exist. [22:42]
asciilifeform likely, somewhere in there is an antifuse that, e.g., switches the workfunction to use sha3, or the like. [22:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the notion of "Strict liability" even being allowed is lulzy. [22:43]
mircea_popescu any matter with strict liability straight to jury nullification. [22:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was originally limited to, iirc, traffic offenses. [22:43]
mircea_popescu you want laws enforced, put some work into making them make sense. [22:43]
asciilifeform jury nullification is, contrary to popular belief, not really a thing in usa. not in the sense that it is impossible - it is certainly possible, on paper. but in practice verdict (in criminal cases) must be unanimous, and it never happens. [22:44]
asciilifeform ever. [22:44]
asciilifeform and if the judge catches a juror actively persuading others to nullify, he can try him for 'contempt' [22:44]
mircea_popescu only before deliberation. [22:44]
asciilifeform the usual result is what is called 'hung jury' [22:44]
mircea_popescu indeed. [22:45]
* asciilifeform saw this from inside, personally hung it [22:45]
asciilifeform this simply leads to a new trial. [22:45]
asciilifeform with fresh meat puppets. [22:45]
mircea_popescu ayup. [22:45]
mircea_popescu more lulz @ usg expense. [22:45]
asciilifeform oh noez the judge might have to work on fridays ! [22:45]
asciilifeform (true story.) [22:45]
mircea_popescu yup. [22:46]
danielpbarron at least a hung jury wastes more USG money [22:47]
trinque in our "markets" the fetish of wealth, and in our courts and police stations the fetish of power [22:47]
trinque what, they don't have enough to do in Baltimore/Ferguson/wherever ? [22:47]
mircea_popescu << if a hog fucks a goat in my presence, in the sense that i was in the same country at some point, this does not qualify the resulting hogbeast as "my bastard" [22:48]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:49:58; ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us. [22:48]
asciilifeform actually it does not matter at all to usg if a trial is a 'new' one, or rerun of 'hung jury' trial. [22:48]
asciilifeform every trial is an exercise of usg power. [22:48]
asciilifeform and they are cheap. [22:48]
mircea_popescu << dude that's fucking stupid [22:48]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:52:26; ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha. [22:48]
asciilifeform and they will deputize 'magistrates' and other faux judge-lite animals [22:48]
asciilifeform as needed. [22:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought you said these people took math. at some point. [22:49]
asciilifeform at minimal cost. [22:49]
mircea_popescu you don't accept magistrate judge. [22:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that is why it is an exercise of ~conscious~ stupidity. mr mold ~knows~ what he is doing. [22:49]
asciilifeform he knows that it is an atrocity. [22:49]
mircea_popescu once one gets out of the paper bag of "hiring counsel", one discovers all sorts of little knobs on the papers. [22:49]
asciilifeform i expect that fella who 'won't accept' will get some form of... persuasion, in his jail cell, in the form of broken teeth [22:50]
asciilifeform until he likes magistrates again. [22:50]
mircea_popescu except he doesn't. [22:50]
asciilifeform why not ? [22:50]
mircea_popescu because he might just as well run the jail like his own personal whorehouse. [22:50]
mircea_popescu then da gets some form of persuasion, [22:50]
mircea_popescu in the shape of broken teeth. [22:51]
mircea_popescu what man does, man does, alfie. always remember. [22:51]
asciilifeform why would a fella who can administer broken teeth to the d.a., end up in a jail at any point ? [22:51]
mircea_popescu why not ? [22:51]
mircea_popescu usg paid for security. [22:51]
mircea_popescu usg paid for the whores. [22:51]
mircea_popescu let it do what it likes doing. [22:51]
asciilifeform i see the point here, i think. the (private) 'crime and punishment museum' in d.c. - the one with the famous electric chairs - has an example of mafia don's cell [22:52]
asciilifeform with couches, escritoir, tiffany lamps, etc. [22:52]
mircea_popescu the point is drastically more subtler than that. [22:52]
mircea_popescu the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource. [22:52]
mircea_popescu in ANY contest of nine year olds, SOME nine year olds [22:52]
mircea_popescu ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail. [22:52]
mircea_popescu no schooling, no government job, no friends and no other arrangements can ever change this. [22:52]
mircea_popescu some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given. [22:53]
mircea_popescu and da's are not really selected for manhood, not in the us, not these days. [22:53]
mircea_popescu << problem with the bezzletron is that words become dirty through their usage. which is why colored coins gotta become bitshares gotta become ripple gotta become ethereum and on and on. [22:54]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:54:58; ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom') [22:54]
mircea_popescu << "broadly the difference is that curtis originally didn't understand what this all is, then got called on it by then had someone who can actually think explain what's going on to him, then the next day came up with.... wait for it... HIS OWN IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN. [22:56]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:57:27; ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.' [22:56]
assbot Stage n: Bitcoin exists. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:56]
mircea_popescu becauyse yeah, totally, no "smart in his own mind" schmuck to date has managed to avoid this trap. [22:56]
mircea_popescu what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS. [22:57]
mircea_popescu between stolfi and lew rockwell, a whole fucking massed galaxy of these imbeciles. [22:57]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice. [22:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform << is that how it's supposed to look ? [23:00]
assbot dpaste: 117CE64 ... ( ) [23:00]
phf neat [23:02]
mircea_popescu but anyway, i appreciate that they're SO FUCKING PETRIFIED of bitcoin can't even talk of it other than under the SA guise. [23:02]
mircea_popescu rly, "blockchain networks", go paint your asshole with lipstick, it's about as obvious. [23:03]
mircea_popescu also, it's not exactly clear what the bitcoin per-transaction COSTS are, but it is quite obvious that a) mining is designed to be a ~0% margin activity and has been exactly that without exception through the history and b) the PRICE paid for a block which is usually 1-2k transactions is usually 25ish BTC, which is for simplicity 5k dollars. [23:04]
mircea_popescu so their math is correct, it does cost MULTIPLE DOLLARS to properly settle a transaction, via the TRUSTLESS blockchain mechanism. [23:05]
mircea_popescu and all the fuckwards derping about bitcoin and africa are more than welcome to explain who in this world exactly needs 2 dollar-fortified transactions to pay for his fucking plastic pocket protector or whatever the shit reddit buys from that one fat chick at the talent fair. [23:06]
mircea_popescu these are the sort of schmucks that can't even afford pants to keep their money in. [23:06]
mircea_popescu << unavoidable. this is what being a thought leader entails : that EVERYONE ELSE is stuck trying to make your planes out of mud and sticks. for that is what they have and this is what they want. [23:07]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:29; ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions [23:07]
mircea_popescu << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me. [23:08]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:46; ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not. [23:08]
mircea_popescu so, no. it does not. it has some shit, and it's so confused it doesn't even realise it. [23:08]
mircea_popescu << this happens to be true. [23:10]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 18:16:12; ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring. [23:10]
asciilifeform << b0rk3d [23:10]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:58:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << is that how it's supposed to look ? [23:10]
mircea_popescu and archive dies on [23:12]
mircea_popescu i guess we'll never know. [23:12]
asciilifeform >> >> 'There is much less intellectual dishonesty among people who aren't smart enough to make up a sufficiently large part of the world that they can live in it, and the bigger part of the world you can create inside your own head, the more important it is that you don't move into your own mind, but keep [23:13]
asciilifeform living in the real world, with its incredibly annoying habit of wrecking _every_ constructed expectation sooner or later.' [23:13]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:56:31; mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice. [23:13]
assbot Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive ... ( ) [23:13]
asciilifeform << mircea_popescu if you have an actual proof, i and 10,001 other people would enjoy reading it. [23:14]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 02:08:10; mircea_popescu: << this happens to be true. [23:14]
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asciilifeform but afaik no such proof presently is known to exist. [23:15]
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mircea_popescu << ianae but my reading at the original time (back when i even sponsored development in the then-nascent alt paradigm, see ) was that they actually had pretty much the same idea as alf, which is to say the old sherlockism : "once you've eliminated all stupid, what you're left weith, however improbable [23:15]
mircea_popescu , must be smart". [23:15]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 18:40:15; ascii_field: not far from the facts though. [23:15]
assbot So this Urbit thing... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:15]
mircea_popescu course meanwhile that fizzled. [23:15]
mircea_popescu but it's what i had formed in my head in that week or however long the interest lasted. [23:16]
asciilifeform it fizzled in 2010 when mr mold decided on 'jets'. [23:16]
asciilifeform everything that came after that was nonsense. [23:16]
asciilifeform there is no forgiveness for a stupid foundation. [23:16]
mircea_popescu well in my defense i wasn't reading it then. [23:16]
asciilifeform simply how it works. [23:16]
asciilifeform << i did tell him. [23:17]
assbot Moron Lab: Urbit: functional programming from scratch ... ( ) [23:17]
asciilifeform now if only he'd listened! then he could starve in this ditch with me, instead of bathing in benjies and cocaine in his usg-filled wealthtub [23:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that one is not the same as other is what happens to be true. [23:18]
mircea_popescu ie, that it's a conjecture. [23:18]
asciilifeform ah then yes! [23:18]
mircea_popescu i have no idea how you'd prove that. at all. [23:18]
mircea_popescu i expect if ever resolved it'll be like the fermat thing. [23:18]
mircea_popescu btw re earlier feather discussion : probably ties in. [23:19]
assbot The crime of being American on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually! this proof exists for rabin's pubkey algo! [23:19]
asciilifeform go, read. [23:19]
mircea_popescu after all, feathers, right ? from like, animals, right ? [23:19]
asciilifeform see what such a proof looks like, readily. [23:19]
mircea_popescu not what i meant! [23:19]
asciilifeform and aha yes, ties in. [23:19]
asciilifeform hm? [23:20]
mircea_popescu i didn't mean "i should like for someone to show me how math works". i just meant i dunno that there's even a promising direction of research into the matter. [23:21]
asciilifeform research - yes, promising (afaik) - no. [23:21]
asciilifeform 'spreading on bread works! eating - not yet' (tm) (r) (su) [23:21]
mircea_popescu so it'll prolly be resolved, if ever, by a totally unexpected and half nutty formalism [23:21]
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asciilifeform at the risk of mixed metaphor, the locusts have cleared out the low-hanging fruit, yes. [23:22]
mircea_popescu right. [23:22]
mircea_popescu btw wiles looks a lot like brin the elder wouldn't you think ? [23:23]
asciilifeform i certainly see the resemblance. [23:23]
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asciilifeform though wiles has a gaunt and somewhat hobo-like flavour to him, from the extant photos [23:24]
mircea_popescu mostly the mouth tho [23:24]
asciilifeform , << i see in the list 'lead' and 'follow' but where is 'fail' ? [23:26]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:38; mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail. [23:26]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:51:12; mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given. [23:26]
mircea_popescu incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof, [23:27]
asciilifeform is life of a soldier, for example, a fail ? [23:27]
mircea_popescu which has a very "factorization" flavour to it. [23:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform failure is a subjective point. [23:27]
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mircea_popescu which is why the stupid never fail and the smart never succeed. [23:27]
asciilifeform l0l [23:27]
asciilifeform i can see it. [23:27]
mircea_popescu << an alternative explanation would go like so : a. the value of all things is predicated on lulz and drama, and nothing else. even if we discovered this point with bitcoin, it's really - like all other things we discovered "about bitcoin", a universal property of reality. [23:29]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself.. [23:29]
asciilifeform << the absolute worst risk category for this kind of disease is to be involved in computing. because there, it is largely ACTUALLY TRUE that everyone is retarded. [23:29]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:55:29; mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS. [23:29]
mircea_popescu b. the only people who give a shit about dadaist stuff are involved in it ; c. it's not fucking funny. [23:29]
mircea_popescu ergo d. the only way for it to pay bills is through cannibalizing its own membership for the onlyt thing they're good for : butt tears. [23:30]
asciilifeform i had to go and actually dig up a fucking lisp machine to figure out why it cannot be 'suck the cock of' and made a base for future work as-is [23:30]
asciilifeform for example. [23:30]
mircea_popescu this incidentally also goes for socialism, which yes, inasmuch as it's "the political ideology of the stupid" is indistinguishable from applied dadaism. [23:30]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can see it. [23:31]
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asciilifeform likewise, the most egregious retardation is shat forth by one specific consideration - backwards compatibility. [23:32]
asciilifeform ergo a rejection of the latter, always strikes the thinking man - and lunatic, alike - as the most enticing possible thing. [23:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY." [23:33]
mircea_popescu same result in the end. [23:33]
asciilifeform not necessarily same [23:33]
mircea_popescu indeed. [23:33]
asciilifeform what comes ~after~ depends, at least partly, on ~why~ we burned it. [23:33]
asciilifeform if stupid-burned - it will be same old idiocy with different coat of paint. [23:34]
mircea_popescu which is how the largest dispute to date we had has been over... fucking compatibility. [23:34]
asciilifeform as mr mold's bad re-invention. [23:34]
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asciilifeform << wai wat [23:38]
assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 02:06:16; mircea_popescu: << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me. [23:38]
asciilifeform how's that work [23:38]
mircea_popescu if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots [23:38]
mircea_popescu i would not hire the idiots. [23:39]
asciilifeform who in his right mind, would ? [23:39]
mircea_popescu whosoever proposes they are actually valuable. by the flow of that conversation it seemed that includes you. [23:39]
asciilifeform not exactly [23:39]
mircea_popescu but if not - greenspun. [23:39]
asciilifeform not-having-to-work-dayjob is valuable. [23:39]
asciilifeform all else being equal. [23:39]
mircea_popescu " But sitting in the parking lot it gave us the appearance of extravagance while inside the building we were living the frugal life--in a world starved for software development talent, it would have been hard to lose money paying MIT-educated programmers $50-85,000 base salaries plus an end-of-year bonus based on accomplishment and the firm's performance." [23:40]
mircea_popescu exact quote. [23:40]
mircea_popescu allow me to lol. [23:40]
mircea_popescu (this, incidentally, is what 30 years did to the us.) [23:40]
asciilifeform i might be thick, but - which this ? [23:41]
mircea_popescu i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans. [23:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform when greenspun wrote that, he wasn't entirely wrong. yet. [23:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually he wrote this at the heights of the bezzlatronic 'dotcom boom' [23:41]
asciilifeform iirc [23:41]
mircea_popescu now it's a fucking laughingstock, like declaring it hard to lose money by playing scratch loittery. [23:42]
asciilifeform so nothing really changed other than the particular flavour of muppet being bathed in benjies [23:42]
mircea_popescu mebbe. [23:42]
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asciilifeform none of greenspun's cohort was thusly bathed for creating anything like a properly salable product that somebody, somewhere, actually ~wanted~ [23:42]
asciilifeform it was all acquisition/'exit' games, all the way down. [23:42]
asciilifeform or straight ponzi, e.g., yahoo, amazon [23:43]
mircea_popescu actually, his own description of arsdigita differs with your estimation. [23:43]
mircea_popescu the facts of the matter are that it had a positive cash flow and no investment. [23:44]
asciilifeform where did it go ? [23:44]
mircea_popescu maybe some wiggle room between these. [23:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was acquired by greylock and atlantic, who, according to him, fucked it all up. [23:44]
asciilifeform 'During the spring of 1999, for example, recruiting 5 hires would earn the employee a Honda S2000. Recruiting 10 employees would net a Ferrari F355. A trophy F355 in bright yellow was kept parked outside of the Prospect Street office in Cambridge to entice employees into recruiting. Later in the summer of 1999, as new management was brought on board, the policy was quietly changed to a lease of the cars, not outright ownership [23:45]
asciilifeform .' (pediwik) [23:45]
mircea_popescu << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy. [23:45]
asciilifeform l0l [23:45]
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assbot ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up ... ( ) [23:46]
mircea_popescu << heh. [23:47]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:22:11; ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they. [23:47]
asciilifeform 'We'd paid nearly $1 million in income tax on our profits for calendar year 1999. Not so bad considering that we built everything from a $10,000 investment.' << at the risk of cribbing from obama's 'you didn't make that company', greenspun... did not make that idiot dotcom gold rush! [23:47]
asciilifeform without it, quite likely, he would have been nothing. [23:47]
asciilifeform but yes, he got to sell the pick axes. [23:47]
asciilifeform for a while, anyway. [23:47]
mircea_popescu this is not a valid objection. [23:48]
mircea_popescu iirc they had some sort of graphical interface bs. there was demand for that in industrial circles quite legitimately [23:48]
mircea_popescu iirc he names siemens ? [23:48]
asciilifeform the 'web2.0'ism engulfed all [23:49]
asciilifeform incl. siemens [23:49]
mircea_popescu well of course. but this was calendar 1999 [23:49]
asciilifeform hell, recall what siemens is most famous for today. [23:49]
asciilifeform (stuxnet platform) [23:49]
mircea_popescu "cheap apple copy" ? [23:49]
mircea_popescu << should appeal to randi the clown and her cohorts. [23:50]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:30:23; ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit' [23:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: imho the '21' thing is a genuine puzzler. [23:50]
mircea_popescu why ? [23:50]
asciilifeform aside from outlandish hypothesis like 'hidden usg altcoin miner' - i can hardly think of any logical reason for it to exist. [23:50]
asciilifeform but possibly that's just me. [23:50]
mircea_popescu how about the neobee "brick and mortar stores" ? could you see a reason for those to exist ? [23:50]
mircea_popescu what about "bitcoin atms" ? [23:51]
asciilifeform i slept through the neobee thing [23:51]
mircea_popescu looky here : vc wants "adoption", and "adoption" means basically trying to hot topic all over something. [23:51]
asciilifeform the 'bitcoin atm' at least has some sort of practical lure [23:51]
mircea_popescu so they're blockchain technologizing. [23:51]
asciilifeform where, then, is the 'consumeratronic' aesthetic ? why no injection-molded case, blinkenlights, touch panel ? [23:51]
asciilifeform as with the atm [23:51]
mircea_popescu << years ago. never did much for them and quietly discarded. [23:52]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners [23:52]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you have to understand, the 21 thing is merely a remake of an ancient attempt by the coinbase/foundation scammers. it was called "coinlab". [23:52]
mircea_popescu also quietly discarded. like this will be, in a few years. [23:52]
asciilifeform yeah but this thing, at least on the surface, is laughably DOA [23:53]
mircea_popescu << that can not be right. [23:53]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:33:23; ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day. [23:53]
asciilifeform 120 Gh/s?!! srsly? [23:53]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,calc 120000 [23:53]
gribble use the 'gentime' command instead [23:53]
mircea_popescu ;;gentime 120000 [23:53]
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gribble The average time to generate a block at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 67 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds [23:53]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 25 / 67 * 365 [23:54]
gribble 136.194029851 [23:54]
mircea_popescu tsk. [23:54]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 25 / 67 / 365 [23:54]
gribble 0.00102228583112 [23:54]
asciilifeform there we go. [23:54]
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mircea_popescu quarter a day. how big is it ? [23:54]
asciilifeform the gadget ? [23:54]
mircea_popescu 120gh/s still need like 50W or so ? [23:54]
asciilifeform more like 10W iirc [23:55]
asciilifeform (the dev board it is attached to can supply no more) [23:55]
mircea_popescu then they're not mining 120gh [23:55]
asciilifeform advertised was '50 - 120' iirc [23:55]
mircea_popescu im telling you, the numbers aren't aha lol. [23:55]
mircea_popescu so you'll get 12. [23:55]
asciilifeform but say it is 200, even. still pocket lint. [23:56]
mircea_popescu this is more in line with what i had in my head. intel ran numbers came out with 0.0001 not 0.001 [23:56]
asciilifeform esp. after the halving, difficulty slide, etc [23:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: intel was right. my figure assumes a frozen universe [23:56]
mircea_popescu there is some appeal to giving a kid a goose that lays a dollar egg each day. [23:56]
asciilifeform a $450 egg ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu hey, comes right out of their college fund :D [23:57]
asciilifeform goose, rather [23:57]
mircea_popescu besides, that $450 mud bike thery want is just gonna produce hospital bills. [23:57]
mircea_popescu better get the goose. [23:57]
mircea_popescu anyway, you'll know if this is their "killer ap" by xmas advertising. [23:57]
mircea_popescu if they murder it, that's the plan. [23:58]
asciilifeform it would make some elementary sense, even as a scam, if it were not for the exponentially decaying egg mass [23:58]
mircea_popescu you clearly never had kids. [23:58]
asciilifeform nope. [23:58]
mircea_popescu if anything survives five seasons the kid should be taken to doctor. [23:58]
mircea_popescu "say doc... why is my boy not breaking all his shit like all the other boys ?!" [23:58]
asciilifeform l0lz [23:59]
pete_dushenski this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : [23:59]
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