Forum logs for 22 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform winblows file system handlers are porous on personal orders of lizard hitler. [00:00]
pete_dushenski lessons learned 1) speak to what you know, 2) don't say "yes" to everything just because, 3) if you're going to do something, do it well, 4) have qntra articles vetted before publishing, 5) never quote wikipedia, duh. [00:00]
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BingoBoingo My bad on hitting the publish button [00:01]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo all good. you assumed that everything i touch is gold. but alas. a human is i and a human is you. [00:02]
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asciilifeform incidentally, there are folks who reverse microshit's patches for a living. [00:03]
asciilifeform one day they will talk. [00:03]
asciilifeform (what will we hear, when they do? approximately, what everyone already knew.) [00:03]
pete_dushenski so here's some redeeming contravex: 1) http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/21/the-community-will-bust-your-balls-if-you-dont-listen-to-them-and-break-your-bank-account-if-you-do/ [00:04]
asciilifeform which is to say, the exact mechanism whereby the supply of 0day is in fact inexhaustible [00:04]
assbot “The Community” Will Bust Your Balls If You Don’t Listen To Them And Break Your Bank Account If You Do | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOeHa2 ) [00:04]
pete_dushenski 2) http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/21/why-are-you-in-such-a-huff-all-i-said-was-we-should-think-about-quarantining-africa/ [00:04]
assbot Why Are You In Such A Huff? All I Said Was “We Should Think About Quarantining Africa” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOeJ1J ) [00:04]
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asciilifeform usg cycle goes approximately: 1) produce anal orifice (entirely plausibly-deniable bugpharms like microshit, with pedigrees going back into the sands of time, and impossibility of attribution or meaningful study - easy) [00:05]
asciilifeform 2) exploit for a spell [00:05]
asciilifeform 3) exploit is discovered by humans and put to use by wild men [00:05]
pete_dushenski 4) party? [00:06]
asciilifeform 4) exploit is patched, patch introduces more of the substance seen in step (1) (plausibly-deniable spaghetti that contains seeds of next iteration of cycle) [00:06]
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pete_dushenski o that's step 5 [00:06]
asciilifeform 5) patch is reversed by folks paid or otherwise happy to carry out this duty, and go to step 2. [00:06]
asciilifeform microshit periodically goes to step 1, on release cycle (new winblows and 'service packs') [00:07]
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undata asciilifeform: certainly there are intentional back-doors, but I'm not going to give every steaming pile of microshit that excuse [00:07]
asciilifeform undata: the entire architecture (soft & hard stack) is a meta-backdoor [00:07]
asciilifeform actual, engineered back doors are seldom necessary [00:08]
undata haha, yes [00:08]
asciilifeform and when produced, are typically built to be physically indistinguishable from the 'natural' kind. [00:08]
asciilifeform the only apparent exception is pki, which 'everyone' seems to know is a master key anal orifice of the first order, wherever it chances to appear, and yet virtually no one objects [00:08]
asciilifeform on account of 'but they wouldn't dare' [00:08]
asciilifeform (when 'they' - dare, e.g., stuxnet, somehow it goes 'down the memory hole' and magicked into 'never happened you consp1r4cy nutter') [00:09]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i kept waiting, in your article, for the link to the canonical classic on the subject ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/924795/posts ) [00:12]
assbot Let Africa Sink [00:12]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform ah! my canon needed some fleshing out. ty! [00:13]
pete_dushenski i'll see if i can't find a place for that [00:13]
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asciilifeform read it first, perhaps you'll disagree [00:14]
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pete_dushenski myes. most definitely [00:16]
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pete_dushenski so far so good.. [00:17]
asciilifeform in other news, [00:18]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2013/06/usss-cryptome.htm [00:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1r6d42c ) [00:18]
asciilifeform (repost, nm) [00:18]
* asciilifeform not awake apparently [00:19]
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asciilifeform http://propagandahistory.ru/pics/2012/02/1329780434_c1ec.jpg [00:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1r6dpBZ ) [00:21]
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asciilifeform (source: http://kryaker.dwg.ru/?p=2011 ) [00:24]
assbot Бред Сивой Кобылы » Ужастики по ТБ… ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOfurw ) [00:24]
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undata asciilifeform: the characters in those posters have an almost minstrel quality [00:26]
asciilifeform http://anzgar.livejournal.com/51682.html << moar [00:29]
assbot Varnish Error 503 Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOfE21 ) [00:29]
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asciilifeform some of these could work well with new text. [00:30]
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asciilifeform wat [00:39]
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BingoBoingo !b 3 [00:42]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NVQGZ0.txt ) [00:42]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/KidElls1/status/535922835571478529 [00:45]
assbot /hashtag/goaliesacrifice?src=hash [00:45]
BingoBoingo ^ Since there's a theme this week [00:45]
BingoBoingo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2_6uUnCIAAscsw.jpg [00:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOghIV ) [00:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.1024959 = 2.7674 BTC [+] {10} [00:49]
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xanthyos god is teasing me, the same way he teased jesus [00:58]
xanthyos no one's supposed to struggle this much in life [00:58]
xanthyos pick an ailment god [00:58]
BingoBoingo Well, that's what you get for doing a persian penis trick [00:58]
xanthyos pick one and stick with it you fickle fuck [00:58]
ben_vulpes what's your cross today, xanthyos ? [01:04]
BingoBoingo Healing is never painless [01:06]
xanthyos i grew up watching saved by the bell. zack morris never had these problems. [01:07]
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pete_dushenski pankkake is firing up more than just trilema today :) http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/21/the-community-will-bust-your-balls-if-you-dont-listen-to-them-and-break-your-bank-account-if-you-do/#comment-5452 [01:13]
assbot “The Community” Will Bust Your Balls If You Don’t Listen To Them And Break Your Bank Account If You Do | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5e62R ) [01:13]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski BingoBoingo i like how positive you two are tho. [01:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform 1/2/3/4 it seems quite probable that's exactly how this particular "engineering for excellence" thing works. [01:18]
mircea_popescu "Finally, if you add the horrifying spread of AIDS into the equation, anyone born in sub-Saharan Africa this century will be lucky to reach age forty." ahem. [01:22]
mircea_popescu quite a different story on life expectancy. [01:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this gaffe is pestilentially ubiquitous [01:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suspect he might mean it correctly. [01:23]
asciilifeform possible. [01:23]
mircea_popescu ANYONE. is lucky. to make it past 40. [01:23]
mircea_popescu Two friends died from stepping on landmines while on Army duty in Namibia. Three died in horrific car accidents (and lest one thinks that this is not confined to Africa, one was caused by a kudu flying through a windshield and impaling the guy through the chest with its hoof--not your everyday traffic accident in, say, Florida). [01:24]
mircea_popescu african guy never been to canada. [01:24]
pete_dushenski lol yup. a moose will do the same thing [01:25]
pete_dushenski not uncommon either [01:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, the "casual attitude to life and death" he discusses is in no way typically african. [01:26]
pete_dushenski https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/tp-tp14798-1289.htm << ok only 12-32 ppl/year in canada [01:26]
assbot Statistical Review - Transport Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5hdI4 ) [01:26]
mircea_popescu it's just typical of actual people, as neatly opposed to dickles otakus or w/e populate teh us. [01:26]
asciilifeform not uniquely african, no. all orcs. [01:26]
mircea_popescu all men. [01:27]
asciilifeform !s orcs humans [01:27]
assbot 6 results for 'orcs humans' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=orcs+humans [01:27]
asciilifeform (can replace with whatever names one prefers, so long as remembering that 'orc' regards 'human' as effete nithling, and 'human' regards 'orc' as a filthy shaved ape.) [01:28]
mircea_popescu lemme make the argument here. [01:28]
mircea_popescu your own life is not actually within your control. valuing something outside of your control is logically broken, and that basis is enough for any ulterior brokenness to be itnroduced. [01:28]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://copypast.ru/uploads/posts/1342177290_mntbf1m5zo0.jpg << relevant [01:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5hOtj ) [01:29]
asciilifeform ^ not a 'virginal' poster, if anyone is confused [01:29]
mircea_popescu lol rabbits [01:29]
jurov orcs shave? TIL [01:29]
jurov soo gay [01:30]
asciilifeform approximately: 'bravely the railman / drunkenly struts / if he's run over / he'll show you some guts!' - 'comrade, don't fear death!' [01:31]
mircea_popescu lettuce see there. boldly [01:31]
mircea_popescu mnah, safely along the tracks [01:31]
mircea_popescu lol [01:31]
mircea_popescu i guess you're faster than me [01:31]
asciilifeform looser. [01:31]
mircea_popescu "In my lifetime, the following tragedies have occurred, causing untold millions of deaths: famine in Biafra" [01:33]
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mircea_popescu i remember this. when i was like 6 old women around me were "omg, you look like you're from biafra! eat something!" [01:33]
jurov i was quite a brat: "you don't want to eat this? think of starving children in africa, they'd like this" "well, so send it to them" [01:34]
mircea_popescu lol [01:35]
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mircea_popescu see jurov, and now god gave them aids for your sins. [01:35]
mircea_popescu you shoulda just ate the damned peas! [01:35]
mircea_popescu Among old Africa hands, we have a saying, usually accompanied by a shrug: "Africa wins again." This is usually said after an incident such as: a beloved missionary is butchered by his congregation, for no apparent reason. [01:36]
jurov lol wins again... a brazil joke came to mind: [01:38]
jurov Brazil is the country of future. And forever shall be. [01:38]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:38]
mircea_popescu 17 countries saw a decline in real per capita GNP between 1970 and 1999, despite receiving well over $100 billion in World Bank assistance [01:38]
pete_dushenski i'm off, have a lovely evening b-a! [01:39]
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mircea_popescu well, in fairness part of this may be that the african gdp is sinking in realer terms. if same were applied, the us sunk since the 80s something fiercer [01:39]
mircea_popescu 3/4 or some shit [01:39]
asciilifeform more height, more splat. [01:39]
mircea_popescu The result of decades of "foreign aid" has resulted in a continental infrastructure which, if one excludes South Africa, couldn't support Pittsburgh. [01:40]
mircea_popescu this is very unfair. i have personally used the egyptian trains, cairo to luxor [01:40]
mircea_popescu first class had better service than anywhere i've ever been, including switzerland [01:40]
mircea_popescu complete with private gay butler, in white gloves. [01:40]
asciilifeform afaik egypt is africa solely in geographic sense. [01:41]
jurov if they exclude maghreb, too.. but nairobi seems to have decnt infra, too [01:41]
mircea_popescu well you know, without this without that... basically you're what, talking of "african americans" ? [01:41]
* asciilifeform not expert on africa, does not know how much of the piece is 'reversed stupidity' [01:42]
mircea_popescu other than being an european in the "mare nostrum" sense of that concept, me either. [01:42]
asciilifeform perhaps the chicoms, in a decade or three, will share an honest picture of that continent. [01:43]
asciilifeform once they're done terraforming it. [01:43]
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mircea_popescu yeah seems the inescapble fate of the black race, extermination at the hands of the yellow. [01:45]
mircea_popescu at least whitey TRANSPORTED them, ya know ? [01:45]
mircea_popescu "If a cure for AIDS was found tomorrow, and offered to every African nation free of charge, the growth of the disease would scarcely be checked, let alone reversed." i ca see this. [01:46]
mircea_popescu amusingly, what the african activists willing to speak plainly say sounds a whole fuckload of a lot just like what the paternalist southern lobby was saying in the us, early 1800s. [01:47]
asciilifeform elementary. consider simple vitamin deficiencies. easy pill - no difference. [01:48]
asciilifeform and they aren't even infectious. [01:48]
mircea_popescu what do you mean ? [01:48]
mircea_popescu i just treated girly anemia with succinate [01:48]
asciilifeform e.g., pellagra. [01:48]
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mircea_popescu oh you mean in africa [01:48]
asciilifeform aha [01:48]
mircea_popescu a yea [01:49]
mircea_popescu somehow i deduced you mean pills just don't work in principle somehow [01:49]
asciilifeform lol [01:49]
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mircea_popescu Even worse would be to think that the simplicity of Africa holds some kind of answers for Western society: remember "It Takes A Village"? Trust me on this: there is not one thing that Africa can give the West which hasn't been tried before and failed, not one thing that isn't a step backwards, and not one thing which is worse than, or that contradicts, what we have already. [01:52]
asciilifeform there's typo in there, i think [01:53]
mircea_popescu this is actually a general point. i recall a few decades ago bored stupid californian housewifes and ex actresses went all crazy about how india is going to be teh great cure [01:53]
mircea_popescu fizzled as one'd expect. there's a reason india was a colonial empire and not vice-versa. [01:53]
asciilifeform 'isn't worse' [01:53]
mircea_popescu i guess ya [01:54]
asciilifeform 'Hindus enjoy 36 crores of gods - that's 360 million, or more. None of them offered a Sanscrit pre-publication proof of Classical Electrodynamics by Jackson or volunteered Novocain.' -- al schwartz [01:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, lulzfest in comments, #5 is where i stopped. [01:55]
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mircea_popescu happens all teh time. [03:27]
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decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/senate-blocks-nsa-phone-records-measure/2014/11/18/41275bfe-6f88-11e4-a2c2-478179fd0489_story.html [05:16]
assbot AP Exclusive: Before Snowden, a debate inside NSA - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOqZiH ) [05:16]
decimation "The now-retired NSA official, a longtime code-breaker who rose to top management, had just learned in 2009 about the top secret program that was created shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. ... “An individual did bring us these questions, and he had some great points,” Alexander told the AP. “I asked the technical folks, including him, to look at it,”" [05:17]
decimation Alexander seems to be a master at deflecting blame [05:18]
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thestringpuller http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/11/21/peter-thiel-explains-why-bitcoin-isnt-money/ << lol more laffs for popescu [05:54]
thestringpuller "The idea that taxes drive the value of money.known as chartalism.goes back at least as far as German economist Georg Friedrich Knapp.s 1905 book .The State Theory of Money." [05:55]
thestringpuller laffs for mircea_popescu * [05:55]
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mircea_popescu derp. [05:59]
mircea_popescu mebbe thiel should stick to what he knows [05:59]
mircea_popescu whatever that is. [05:59]
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decimation he knows how to please those who please the state [06:00]
decimation he knows how to please those who please the state [06:00]
mircea_popescu a right. mkay. [06:00]
thestringpuller sounds like a definition of a prostitute. [06:01]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-110090 << if anyone feels like explaining to the kid 'what the unix/linux values are' [06:01]
assbot The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWs391 ) [06:01]
mircea_popescu i feel unequal to the task. [06:01]
asciilifeform trilema no loady [06:03]
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mircea_popescu eh wtfd. [06:03]
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mircea_popescu !up kdomanski [06:03]
-assbot- Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first. [06:03]
decimation heh yeah I read that. to be honest, I'm not sure the existing init system is worthy of much praise [06:04]
mircea_popescu decimation i can see that point. [06:05]
decimation but systemd is worse, in the sense that it adds a layer of obfuscation [06:05]
mircea_popescu exactly. [06:05]
mircea_popescu just because your old clunker is rusty doesn't mean you should add a bamboo patio on the roof. [06:06]
decimation now, it does give some functionality in exchange - faster boot times, 'carefully managed' boot process, etc [06:06]
asciilifeform actually we have here a rare case of danger from an unwillingness to move from the technological into the political gear of thought. [06:06]
mircea_popescu decimation yes, exactly what monoturdism usually promises. [06:07]
mircea_popescu then fails to deliver. [06:07]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the "giant stool" approach to economics ? [06:07]
decimation nope, what does that mean? [06:07]
asciilifeform poettering and his followers have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to build a non-diabolical doorknob, much less init system [06:07]
mircea_popescu think of a supermarket as if it were a giant, walking the land of midgets. [06:07]
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mircea_popescu should it find a nice place to sit for a while, such as a neighbourhood, it will be fine for as long as it sits, and when that's done can walk away [06:08]
mircea_popescu the stool he sat on, however, will never recover from having been sat upon. [06:08]
decimation in the sense that the midgets were all slain [06:08]
mircea_popescu ye, the people that left in exasperation at all the sprawl won't come back. [06:08]
mircea_popescu the shops that were closed by its competition won't return [06:08]
mircea_popescu soon enough you turned greenwich village into detroit. [06:08]
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mircea_popescu now, this is a general economic principle, and it applies jut as well to monolithic coding approaches. [06:09]
mircea_popescu at first they promise "jobs for everyone and cheapoer prices" [06:09]
mircea_popescu then they don't deliver [06:09]
mircea_popescu then they leave. [06:09]
mircea_popescu compare ms-dos, still to this day accepted here as a paragon of programming, [06:09]
mircea_popescu with microsoft windows. [06:09]
decimation the window of economic possibility is narrowed [06:09]
mircea_popescu so, yes, "faster boot times". a more irrelevant metric could scarcely be devised. [06:10]
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mircea_popescu how about "my uptime is longer than poettering's coding experience". what bootup "? [06:10]
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decimation now the question is, are the economic possibilities of the midgets really narrowed, or do they just perceive that they are? [06:11]
mircea_popescu they are really narrowed. what happens there is treason. treason never works politically. [06:11]
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mircea_popescu specifically, some midgets betray some other midgets, which they need to survive. [06:12]
mircea_popescu those latter midgets leave [06:12]
mircea_popescu and the former can't live. [06:12]
mircea_popescu the best case study for this in my view is romania in the 30s. idiot, indolent romanians allowed the worst among them (iron guard, dubious local fascist wannabe) to assassinate the best romanian that then lived, one duca. [06:13]
mircea_popescu without him, romania spent half a century in the warsaw shitter. with him, it'd have probably been greece instead. [06:14]
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decimation this idea could also explain why debt-funding (usg bank style) is ruinous compared to capital-funding in the long run [06:15]
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mircea_popescu sure. [06:16]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/trei-exemple-si-o-concluzie/#comment-39254 << duca reference, for the perenially curious. [06:16]
assbot Trei exemple si o concluzie. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWu0lR ) [06:16]
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decimation at any rate, asciilifeform makes a good point, the main ding against systemd is that its main author has written several well-known turds, thus the fruit of the tree [06:17]
mircea_popescu it's that "first they came for x but i said nothing" thing, exactly. it's not in any sense a novel or a marginal idea. [06:17]
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asciilifeform decimation: no. [06:18]
mircea_popescu and it goes right into the extraction economy discussion. you familiar with that one ? [06:18]
asciilifeform decimation: not simply 'known turds,' but the -behaviour- of him & followers. [06:18]
decimation I don't follow the extraction economy comment [06:18]
decimation asciilifeform: the 'join or die' mentality? [06:18]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/ << reference. [06:19]
assbot Jaful si economia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWuf07 ) [06:19]
mats_cd03 http://youtu.be/5Qj8p-PEwbI [06:19]
assbot Ubuntu Causes Girl To Drop Out of College - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWudpg ) [06:19]
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mircea_popescu yeah, she sounds just like a college chick. [06:21]
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mats_cd03 i was tickled by the chick flipping through a picture book [06:21]
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decimation "her verizon internet cd won't load on ubuntu" [06:23]
mircea_popescu legit complaint. [06:24]
decimation her problem is that she is a tiny, aimless midget in a world where massive giants are wondering, and they get 'roided daily with debt [06:26]
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mircea_popescu basically, her problem is that the people who can think have decided lying to her is okay. [06:26]
mircea_popescu and certainly better than hurting her. [06:27]
mircea_popescu it's a pov. i don't happen to subscribe to it is all. [06:27]
decimation yeah, it is the exact opposite of that german education circa 1880 that we discussed earlier [06:28]
mircea_popescu quite. [06:28]
mircea_popescu "I also have no doubt that Poettering has received such attacks. Unfortunately, that comes with being a public figure on today's Internet. I myself have gotten death threats serious enough that I've turned them over to the FBI" [06:28]
mircea_popescu somehow the quality of the assholes in question never comes before the debate. [06:29]
mircea_popescu it's not that poettering gets pissed on wherever he goes because he in point of fact is a poitless, middlesome imbecile. [06:29]
mircea_popescu oh, no. it's because the internet is bad. because when you get negative feedback, you gotta blame the feedback. [06:29]
decimation that suddenly makes me sorry for fbi agents. they are essentially at the bottom of a gigantic public suggestion box/toilet [06:30]
mircea_popescu anyway. the right way has to be defended. [06:30]
mircea_popescu it's not just that systemd is a piece of shit. [06:30]
mircea_popescu it's that poettering personally is a malignancy, that what he says is poisonous, not just for the free world but individually for people that are intellectually mature, [06:30]
asciilifeform that's sorta what i was trying to explain [06:31]
mircea_popescu and that the groups he tends to attract and promote are nothing short of malicious. [06:31]
mircea_popescu that he dares to spin this entire web where "he puts the blame" on linus is nothing short of outrageous. [06:31]
mircea_popescu any cat may look at the king. sure. no cat may file a suit against the crown. [06:31]
decimation so, this girl should have been told "You are not smart enough to become a scholar, but you have the material needed to become an excellent wife - learn to make non-lashable cooking, darn socks, and be feminine" [06:32]
mircea_popescu quite. [06:33]
decimation the receiving fbi agent should have had the same to say to poettering [06:33]
mircea_popescu problem is, the derps in the studio should have a) been repressed enough that they never dared think of speaking in front of the camera, let alone be allowed to do it [06:34]
mircea_popescu and b) be told the exact same thing. [06:34]
mats_cd03 b-but that's sexist [06:34]
mircea_popescu stupidity is genderless. [06:34]
mircea_popescu decimation r fbi agents. they are essentially at the bottom of a gigantic public suggestion box/toilet << check this shit out! [06:34]
mircea_popescu !s gestapo [06:35]
assbot 15 results for 'gestapo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gestapo [06:35]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2014#908866 [06:35]
assbot Logged on 04-11-2014 02:49:05; decimation: so after watching Stierlitz, I surfed the wikipedia describing the NASDP government intelligence 4th department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo "According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their informatio [06:35]
decimation yeah I think I mentioned about how the gestapo used the same effect to 'terrorize' the population [06:35]
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mircea_popescu not even a matter of going that far. [06:35]
mircea_popescu my point is, in a socialist system, be it us-socialist or national-socialist or soviet-socialist or anything it may be [06:36]
mircea_popescu the supposed fbi/gru/gestapo/etc is simply a toilet box for the public idiocy. [06:36]
mircea_popescu this is a very visible symptom of the problem of well metastasized socialism : a general sense of entitlement in the crowd of idiots. an unwarranted expectation of efficiency on their part. [06:36]
mircea_popescu the pernicious idea that they matter and can do things. etc. [06:37]
mircea_popescu in short, what do we observe right before a kinetic crash ? why, a body with high energy density and low navigational control. [06:37]
mircea_popescu now, go ahead and explain this to pankkake somehow. but in such a way so it fits his preconceptions comfortably. [06:38]
decimation there are millions of pankkakes who have become comfortable with living in whatever jungle conditions they find themselves [06:39]
decimation they might even find a particular patch of jungle that is more pleasing than another [06:39]
mircea_popescu sure, but that's cleaved. personal experience is one thing, personal understanding another. [06:40]
decimation it might be the case that this kind of understanding can only be had through a few cycles of systemds [06:41]
decimation * a few cycles of personal systemd experience [06:41]
mircea_popescu in any case, no amount of energy put into cutting short the ego and curbing the enthusiasm of the general population is wasted. [06:41]
mircea_popescu just like it's better to run a car just slightly slower than the maximum speed at which you can control a car, just so it's better to aspire to less than what one can actually do. [06:41]
mats_cd03 not as long as people like poettering keep breathing amd contributing. [06:41]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 the one thing three eyar olds have in common across language and geography is this tendency to bring you a piece of paper they took a shit on, for your admiration. [06:42]
mircea_popescu aka, they "contribute". [06:42]
mircea_popescu ;;google maddox better than your kids [06:43]
gribble I Am Better Than Your Kids - Page 1: ; I am better than your kids. - The Best Page In The Universe.: ; Crappy Children's Art: Maddox: 9781439182888: Amazon.com: Books: [06:43]
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decimation semi-related lols (warez): http://www.isegoria.net/2014/11/denigration-of-the-great-revolution/ "The latest Assassin’s Creed video game takes place in Paris during the French Revolution, and French leftists are appalled that the heroes of the People are depicted as bloodthirsty savages:" [06:45]
assbot Denigration of the Great Revolution « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1uNEPQQ ) [06:45]
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decimation I want to play a game where I can stab Marat in the back [06:50]
asciilifeform i want to stab authors of www browsers who enable 'right click disable' in the front. [06:50]
asciilifeform and back. [06:51]
decimation asciilifeform: a betrayal of the first order, this, the computer serving someone other than its master [06:51]
asciilifeform paradoxically, it is actually more annoying to me than to most lamers, because i end up doing some actual work, to grab the machine by the neck until shits itself into submission [06:52]
asciilifeform whereas lamer can surrender and go on with his life [06:52]
decimation I wonder if one can 'disable' the javascript hook that causes this [06:54]
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thestringpuller whenever I fuck up my economy in sim city I just raise taxes and it all works out! [07:04]
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mircea_popescu !up Belxjander [07:12]
-assbot- Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first. [07:12]
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kakobrekla !up Belxjander [07:16]
kakobrekla lol [07:16]
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Belxjander Hello... [07:16]
Belxjander added this channel to my bouncer [07:17]
Belxjander just wish the channel names stayed in the same order as set [07:17]
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kakobrekla you only need this chan [07:18]
kakobrekla then it will be first, last and in order [07:18]
Belxjander I'm not that accepting of PR [07:20]
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kakobrekla yeah have you seen the logs? [07:21]
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mircea_popescu lol [07:23]
mircea_popescu curl -v is verbose, grep -v is inverted match. [07:24]
mircea_popescu this makes so much sense. [07:24]
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mircea_popescu !up Belxjander [07:33]
-assbot- Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first. [07:33]
mircea_popescu what exactly is a source mage, and especially an elementalist ? [07:33]
mircea_popescu gah brb [07:33]
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mircea_popescu punkman yeah im not that close to it to recall the stuff, half the time im trying to guess, and i mean wtf -v [07:35]
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-assbot- You voiced ParadoxBTC for 30 minutes. [07:37]
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mircea_popescu so basically systemd should be renamed kudzu [07:43]
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decimation you mean kudzu the linux package or the invasive plant? [07:44]
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mircea_popescu the invasive plant [07:44]
punkman https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thimbleweedpark/thimbleweed-park-a-new-classic-point-and-click-adv [07:45]
assbot Thimbleweed Park: A New Classic Point & Click Adventure! by Ron Gilbert & Gary Winnick — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMelW ) [07:45]
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mircea_popescu o hey [07:45]
decimation well, you can clearly see the strategy of 'embrace, extend, extinguish' [07:45]
mircea_popescu myeah. [07:46]
punkman '"I pirated Maniac Mansion and Monkey Island when I was a kid and I feel bad!" This reward tier instantly absolves you of all guilt and includes the Thimbleweed Park game. All subsequent tiers also include guilt absolution.' [07:46]
mircea_popescu lol [07:47]
mircea_popescu hey, giving ron gilbert money is a lot more merituous than whatever, giving buterin awards. [07:47]
decimation yeah, at least he will make some amusing warez in exchange [07:47]
punkman I gave money to Tim Schafer and all I got was half a game [07:50]
punkman http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/21/7265561/double-fine-lays-off-staff-as-unannounced-project-falls-through [07:50]
assbot Double Fine lays off staff as unannounced project falls through | Polygon ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMmSr ) [07:50]
mircea_popescu punkman i dun recall that guy. [07:51]
punkman also from LucasArts [07:51]
mircea_popescu Jon Van Caneghem i'd give some money to [07:52]
mircea_popescu i mean pretty much all good games are his. from king's bounty to homm etc. [07:53]
mircea_popescu hey jon! get in the wot! [07:53]
punkman I never got into the might and magic series [07:54]
punkman dunno why [07:54]
mircea_popescu one question left hanging in my head : once all the effort trying to push systemd is spent, why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head. specifically, that runs as an instance even if the root doesn't have it, and that masquerades as systemd to satisfy fake dependencies. [07:56]
punkman uselessd perhaps [07:57]
mircea_popescu yup. [07:57]
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mircea_popescu basically, gut it, use the remaining shell as a systemd-standardized interface for sane components. [07:57]
mircea_popescu no need for all the shit it bundles to be actually bundled. [07:58]
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punkman there are some people working on it [07:59]
punkman http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140915064856 [07:59]
assbot GSoC 2014: Systemd replacement utilities (systembsd) ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMxxj ) [07:59]
mircea_popescu http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png << t5his, if anyone's still genuinely wondering, is half the bile against poettering. [08:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMvVZ ) [08:00]
mircea_popescu he has exactly nothing to do with "tea party", this is beyond hot topicizing the issue. [08:00]
mircea_popescu it's roughly like a stolid square from the 60s calling his woody a "party van". [08:00]
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mircea_popescu " All I can say is that there is stable LTE service between Texas and Colorado that work at speed in excess of eighty-eight miles per hour and that one can do a lot with a macbook charger, a working alternator, a bit of cabling and entry-level electrical engineering knowledge." [08:02]
mircea_popescu da fuck [08:02]
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punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-K8R1hDG9E [08:04]
assbot Grim Fandango OST - Full Official Soundtrack - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMDVs ) [08:04]
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decimation actually, the bigger question about systemd dependencies is this: what dependency of systemd is actually worth bothering about? [08:12]
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mircea_popescu decimation http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/ << [08:14]
assbot Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1v69tq1 ) [08:14]
mircea_popescu more dependencies than needed anyway. creatinbg even more fucking bloat is the wrong way. [08:14]
mircea_popescu what they should do would be to remove like 90% of the current dependencies. [08:14]
mircea_popescu gvfs depedning on netbase is perhaps the biggest example. who the fuck ever heard of this. [08:15]
decimation heh yeah and apparently ntfs from your article [08:16]
decimation if you have ever used an 'android' system you encounter a similar thing when using their app 'permission' system. one ends up being a hostage to the app's demands for access [08:17]
decimation the only solution is the 'via negativa' [08:17]
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mircea_popescu it's ridiculous is what it is. [08:18]
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mircea_popescu the other even more ridiculous thing is, infantile minds going LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU WHY CANT YOU GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER THAT IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO SAY!!1 [08:19]
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punkman another fun exercise, trying to install Linux on 3TB disk [08:24]
mircea_popescu look at the sort of idiotic windows nt topics we're discussing. [08:24]
mircea_popescu on linux ffs. and then "So what ideas made "linux" and "unix" "worth using"" [08:25]
mircea_popescu and then they bitch when people want to do them violence. they should be fucking thankful, a good whipping'd benefit em immensely. [08:25]
punkman http://lwn.net/Articles/619784/ [08:30]
assbot High-DPI displays and Linux [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnNiGG ) [08:30]
punkman "Your editor's laptop recently started to fall apart, to the point that some sort of action was required. Duct tape was considered as a solution; it would show that LWN is making careful use of its subscription revenues" [08:30]
asciilifeform punkman: this is a ludicrous non-problem. where is even one proggy worth using without configurable font. [08:44]
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asciilifeform punkman: the 'solution' from the linked article (throw away the res, 4 pixels for 1) is even more obscene than the supposed 'problem' [08:44]
punkman agreed [08:45]
asciilifeform this is easily the most putrid crock of shit i've seen in ages, masquerading as 'linux article' [08:45]
asciilifeform author - straight to biodiesel. [08:45]
asciilifeform co-miserators - straight to biodiesel. [08:46]
* asciilifeform keeps a machine around with precisely that screen part #. and no shitgnomery required. [08:46]
asciilifeform and what, precisely, is the issue with 3TB disk ? [08:47]
asciilifeform did i just wake up in parallel universe, where fonts aren't vectorized and do not scale, and we're still using 24-bit LBA for disk access ? [08:48]
punkman well I didn't keep notes, but I eventually just installed to 1TB disk [08:48]
asciilifeform why?! [08:48]
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punkman mostly wouldn't boot [08:49]
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asciilifeform dual boot with turdblows? [08:49]
punkman no, but I've tried that on different machine, similar problems [08:50]
punkman maybe I'm just stupid, dunno [08:51]
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asciilifeform why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head << no. [09:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-11-2014#929521 [09:00]
assbot Logged on 20-11-2014 04:57:26; asciilifeform: achilles said to tortoise, let me stick the cock in halfway. [09:00]
asciilifeform the solution is not taxidermy. do we taxidermy cockroaches? mice ? [09:00]
asciilifeform for shitgnomes, only one correct treatment: damnatio memoriae. [09:01]
asciilifeform of author -and- his works [09:02]
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asciilifeform i don't want to smell poettering in my house. [09:03]
asciilifeform 'i would not, could not,' in the zoo, i would not, could not, with a gnu, i would not, could not, in a cage, i would not, could not, with a mage... [09:04]
asciilifeform etc [09:04]
asciilifeform anyone who creates a gizmo which depends on shitstemd - has asked to share the fate. [09:05]
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mircea_popescu !up Belxjander [10:05]
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mircea_popescu so, it'd seem the various issues some people were experiencing were in fact due to upstream filtering due to an unfortunate interaction of various rules. should be fixed now, so, [10:07]
mircea_popescu ever more vigurously than befoar, pls to report if connectivity problemz. [10:07]
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asciilifeform to briefly continue this morning's thread - don't rely on freenode's 'cloaks', if you have a consumer garbage-grade router on your premises, throw it out, replace with actual router. [23:48]
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