Forum logs for 21 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00075068 = 17.3407 BTC [+]	[00:28]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 8.27551304 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b20	[00:39]
asciilifeform	full height, 17 connections	[00:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00075127 = 36.5117 BTC [+] {4}	[00:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074668 = 13.8509 BTC [-]	[00:44]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell adlai what was all that about ...?	[00:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:48]
asciilifeform	!rated adlai	[00:49]
assbot	You have not rated adlai.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	!rate adlai 2 horseman of common lisp robopocalypse	[00:50]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c95e2aa0fc9ba218	[00:50]
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Birdman	Im looking for a staker on swcpoker, here are two graphs showing my statistics there http://imgur.com/MUdjFfc http://imgur.com/8d2EjZw	[00:50]
assbot	Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KF3yA6 )	[00:50]
assbot	Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KF3wrX )	[00:50]
asciilifeform	!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.adlai.2:40d46c35ffca536c78fd9ee8b58a1c7337964c9754adb15e2a76a22e582f7944	[00:50]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 2 for adlai with note: horseman of common lisp robopocalypse	[00:50]
asciilifeform	Birdman: what's a 'staker' ?	[00:51]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: your naming conventions are lovely	[00:51]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: which ?	[00:51]
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Birdman	Someone to invest the money to bank roll my play for expected profits	[00:52]
ben_vulpes	bucephalus, zoolag, ignatius	[00:52]
asciilifeform	people take investors to play poker now ?!!	[00:52]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: incitatus	[00:52]
asciilifeform	caligula's horse.	[00:52]
ben_vulpes	Birdman: has swc solved collusion?	[00:52]
*	ben_vulpes bows	[00:52]
asciilifeform	and senator.	[00:52]
ben_vulpes	i need ecc meatram	[00:53]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i have some but don't know where to buy it	[00:53]
asciilifeform	not sure if it is made any more.	[00:53]
ben_vulpes	o.O	[00:53]
ben_vulpes	wat	[00:53]
asciilifeform	aha i think it was .su only product..	[00:54]
asciilifeform	l0l	[00:54]
ben_vulpes	i dun even b'leev u	[00:54]
Birdman	They are not in the wot and dont use any authentication, though tournaments usually make collusion not profitable	[00:54]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: familiar with 'caribou mathematics contest'?	[00:54]
asciilifeform	can't say i am	[00:54]
ben_vulpes	Birdman: i'm taking the girl on a cross-state line run, but please tell me later how tournaments make collusion unprofitable	[00:55]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: came in on the local homeschooling wotwire	[00:55]
asciilifeform	i assume it is an olympiad of one kind or another ?	[00:55]
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mircea_popescu	man that eth bet :D	[00:57]
asciilifeform	srsly	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	people take investors to play poker now ?!! << this is older than litecoin.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	why would anyone take this up	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand how the world works.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	evidently!	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	nevada casinos gross in the billions. it's a distraction.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	no that part makes sense	[00:59]
asciilifeform	but why would anyone pay some other fella to play poker ~in his stead~	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	why would someone pay some other fella to fuck his wife in his stead ?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	if you'll excuse the pon.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	so the equivalent in card game would be... a puckold ?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	it's a distraction.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	(pockold? cackold?)	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	nono because queen of spades.	[01:01]
asciilifeform	bitcoin-ruby:0.0.6 << l0l	[01:02]
asciilifeform	did not know this existed.	[01:02]
cazalla	Birdman, i know a game up in binghamton, ya interested?	[01:07]
cazalla	full of municipal workers but i reckon you could take it down	[01:07]
Birdman	I appreciate the offer but that is too far for me	[01:07]
asciilifeform	;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ?	[01:08]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:08]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 02:32:46; asciilifeform: Bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	is this from rounders ?	[01:08]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, lol yeah	[01:08]
asciilifeform	;;later tell ben_vulpes consider installing a therealbitcoin node in your little shop of horrors ?	[01:13]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:13]
asciilifeform	we could very much use more of these sitting on proper commercial wires, with static ip, qos, clean mains power, etc	[01:14]
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mircea_popescu	!up vkmc	[01:15]
-assbot-	You voiced vkmc for 30 minutes.	[01:15]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla so didja manage to get it going ?	[01:16]
cazalla	nope	[01:17]
cazalla	http://dpaste.com/046YK9Z.txt at which point i sat and wished i could actually use a computer	[01:17]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1WcGYCP )	[01:17]
cazalla	busted muh steam games (tf2 and csgo) in the process somehow, prob all the shit i installed at the cli without having a clue what it was	[01:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15459 @ 0.00074445 = 11.5085 BTC [-] {3}	[01:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00075234 = 23.9244 BTC [+] {3}	[01:26]
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deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	cazalla betcha you didn't do the export lines like it's said in the recipe	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	used multiple windows or who knows what.	[01:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00074411 = 11.4965 BTC [-]	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	hey mike_c if you read this... need a super noob crafter in eulora. or i guess mod6 ? you ever crafted mod6 ?	[01:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074411 = 12.8731 BTC [-]	[01:52]
asciilifeform	http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated << i dare say the ro was more readable !!	[01:57]
assbot	The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFbBwz )	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	romanian not really pete's strong language is it ?	[01:58]
asciilifeform	;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/#comment-31000	[02:05]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:05]
assbot	The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFcQvJ )	[02:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074758 = 28.2585 BTC [+]	[02:08]
mod6	mircea_popescu: i'm somewhere around lvl 70 crafter.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	ah	[02:11]
mod6	looking for someone with lower rank?	[02:12]
mod6	I successfully made a samovar once, and then turned my attention to mining :]	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	:p	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah need someone who's practically a virgin	[02:18]
mod6	ah ok. thanks for checking though.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	zoolag: 54 bucephalus: 19	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	188.68.240.159 got 15 (if we're talking connections)	[02:22]
asciilifeform	this leads me to unpleasant 'we are a parallel universe' line of thought	[02:24]
asciilifeform	how many boxes might we suppose presently exist that are honestly describable as a bitcoin node ?	[02:24]
asciilifeform	i.e. no 'headers-first' or other gavinisms, no ssl or other hearnias, etc	[02:25]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, obviously 50 windows and ran the commands in each one multiple times	[02:26]
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cazalla	seriously though, tried to cook it on 14.04, nfi if that is why i had issues but probable given guide is for 10.04	[02:28]
cazalla	can settle for 12.04 but steam does not work on 10.04 so useless for me for desktop	[02:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00074411 = 14.0265 BTC [-]	[02:29]
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mircea_popescu	aha	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well, like a dozen i guess.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	cazalla did the first step (compiling cal3d) return with errors ?	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	sorry, cs not cal3d	[02:35]
cazalla	i wouldn't even know tbh	[02:36]
cazalla	spat out all manner of shit that might as well be in another language	[02:36]
cazalla	configure.in didn't have a line with AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP to comment out either	[02:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11082 @ 0.00074758 = 8.2847 BTC [+]	[02:37]
cazalla	i'll dig another hdd out the garage to install 10.04 on and try again	[02:38]
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punkman	hmm, I see the backup gremlins have been working extra hard the last couple weeks	[03:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00074383 = 60.7709 BTC [-] {5}	[03:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17243 @ 0.00074694 = 12.8795 BTC [+] {2}	[03:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00074758 = 2.4491 BTC [+]	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[03:55]
gribble	Current Blocks: 375438 \| Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 \| Next Difficulty In: 1553 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 26 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[03:55]
cazalla	https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/644971360008011776	[04:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7181 @ 0.00074758 = 5.3684 BTC [+]	[04:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0007435 = 4.3867 BTC [-]	[04:31]
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punkman	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/pr0n_app_takes_blackmail_pics_ransom/	[04:46]
assbot	URRGH! Evil app WATCHES YOU WATCHING PORN, snaps your grimace • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1gFmS3O )	[04:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007435 = 4.1636 BTC [-]	[05:05]
punkman	http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/21/us-japan-security-idUSKCN0RL08Z20150921	[05:37]
assbot	Support for Japan’s Abe sags after security bills passed	[05:37]
punkman	"Public support for Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe fell after the passage of controversial national security bills, which could let troops fight overseas for the first time since the end of World War Two"	[05:37]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPX6YVcUAAEMpa7.jpg:large "Life vests left by refugees on Lesbos, Greece"	[05:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr4p7X )	[05:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00074333 = 19.4009 BTC [-] {3}	[05:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00074758 = 6.3171 BTC [+]	[05:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074325 = 36.0476 BTC [-]	[05:58]
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punkman	"There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."	[06:03]
punkman	https://twitter.com/charltonbrooker/status/645738919426920448	[06:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00074325 = 13.2299 BTC [-]	[06:06]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPYb1X1W8AAs3ps.jpg:large	[06:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr5GMx )	[06:06]
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fluffypony	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lrjeg/psa_i_end_up_losing_17_on_p2p_lending_sites_after/	[06:31]
assbot	[PSA] I end up losing 17% on P2P lending sites after 2 months. I strongly advise avoiding using them if you are a lender. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr76ql )	[06:31]
fluffypony	that is truly surprising	[06:31]
fluffypony	I'm so surprised	[06:31]
fluffypony	this is my surprised face	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	supa suparised.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	!up ffmad	[06:32]
-assbot-	You voiced ffmad for 30 minutes.	[06:32]
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shinohai	Lending to gamblers is always a great idea, fluffypony	[06:42]
punkman	I thought you were supposed to only lose ~20% a year	[06:43]
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punkman	"How many investments did auto-invest make for you?" "About 30 on BTCJam. I'm hoping to turn the loss into profit with the Law of Big Numbers though I'm not optimistic."	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[06:48]
fluffypony	lol	[06:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16304 @ 0.00074518 = 12.1494 BTC [+]	[06:53]
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cazalla	Invested:0.17 BTC.. almost like scammers trying to out-invest fellow scammers but get scammed themselves	[07:03]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 22.28508574 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b21	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	the fellowsheep of the scamvestor	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	the irony being that all this is EXACTLY like silicon valley vc / generally vc.	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	except those schmucks don't have friends in the printer house.	[07:07]
shinohai	http://www.coindesk.com/quiz-do-you-know-the-basics-of-bitcoin/ <<< For so,e reason I can't see this	[07:08]
assbot	Quiz: Do You Know the Basics of Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd3ons )	[07:08]
shinohai	21 friggin scripts just to view an article. Fuck you coindesk.	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	obviously you don't know the basics of webcoin.	[07:09]
cazalla	half expected to get some CPA offer at the end of that quiz shinohai	[07:10]
cazalla	then again, have ublock going so it probably had one but was blocked	[07:10]
shinohai	Or "Congrats, you passed! Here's some VC monies to get started."	[07:10]
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fluffypony	how is knowing about BitLicense a "basic" of Bitcoin?	[07:12]
fluffypony	what a stupid quiz	[07:13]
shinohai	I like mircea_popescu 's quiz better.	[07:13]
cazalla	fluffypony, shut up, i got 10/10 ok, i'm a certified expert now http://i.imgur.com/D5lGwFS.png	[07:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NO6Zqv )	[07:13]
fluffypony	so did I	[07:13]
fluffypony	and I didn't become a certified anything :-P	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	im trying to think what'd be more irrelevant to bitcoin than "bitlicense".	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	ethereum, perhaps.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinxt	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	o check it out, 2/3 items in cazalla's screenshot are about usgavin's scamcoin. and wtf is sabr.io	[07:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00074471 = 20.9636 BTC [-] {3}	[07:19]
shinohai	sabr.io is that new venture that promises to help LE track down bitcoin criminals.	[07:19]
cazalla	"SABR monitors multiple blockchains to identify and locate criminal activity."	[07:19]
shinohai	http://www.coindesk.com/startup-sabr-io-could-have-caught-silk-road-founder-in-days/	[07:20]
assbot	Startup Sabr.io is Helping to Catch Bitcoin's Criminals ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd4Cio )	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	hm, anyone with a bunch of time on his hands wanna do some social media work for me ?	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	lol could have caught my foot.	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	!up Anduck	[07:29]
-assbot-	You voiced Anduck for 30 minutes.	[07:29]
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mircea_popescu	yo anduck what are you doing these days ?	[07:29]
kakobrekla	!rated Anduck	[07:29]
assbot	You rated user Anduck on 22-Dec-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works..	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	that, i know.	[07:30]
kakobrekla	k	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	where's vexual when you need him.	[07:31]
shinohai	mircea_popescu: What sort of social media work may I ask?	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	deviant art.	[07:32]
shinohai	Kewl.	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	specifically : i need a large drawing to illustrate "death" in eulora. the job is to trawl the entire fucking site until you find GOOD, gothy-like drawings of at least 2k px wide, and show them to me	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	if i like em, ask the author if he'd like to have it featured in game, bring him over here, he gets some btc dust, all is well.	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	basically spend all day clicking through deviant art.	[07:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00074325 = 26.1624 BTC [-]	[07:35]
shinohai	I'll trawl some and see what I find. That artist that drew your bitcoin collage can't draw "death" ?	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	of course he can.	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	but i'd rather give some guy a chance to strike a conversation with deeply disturbed 16 yo girls first.	[07:36]
shinohai	xD	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	oh, i thought you meant jason juta, the guy that made the thing http://minigame.bz/splash.png was based off.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	the bitcoin collage was actually drawn by a chick.	[07:38]
shinohai	http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs17/i/2012/171/b/6/angel_of_death_aka_grim_reaper_by_sinslave-dimt0u.jpg <<< I like this death already.	[07:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6jfR )	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i don't really want line art. i want stuff more like that yeah	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	actually that one's not half bad.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	ask the author.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	tho if you had any sense you'd stick to womenz.	[07:40]
*	shinohai will attempt to find women that aren't sjw's and insane on deviantart	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	what's wrong with sjw ? :D	[07:41]
davout	hello	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	ohai.	[07:42]
davout	"if we don't have a plausible scaling story soon, banks are going to start experimenting with permissioned blockchains."	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	ONOES	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	how about banks start experimenting with fitting my cock up their uvula.	[07:42]
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davout	every single time I think reddit has hit the bottom, it out-stupids itself	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	it's going there anyway.	[07:43]
davout	and digs moar	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	anyway, bbl.	[07:43]
shinohai	I like this one too, and she is Spanish female: http://orig05.deviantart.net/e250/f/2012/314/8/0/angel_of_death_by_maiarcita-d4vfk40.jpg	[07:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6GHl )	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	shinohai not bad but wrong proportion. i need landscape that's portrait.	[07:43]
punkman	here's an artist suggestion http://problemglyphs.org/	[07:43]
assbot	Problem Glyphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6Iii )	[07:43]
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davout	mircea_popescu: liked the "You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth." a lot	[07:45]
davout	also pls to x.eur, we're the 21st...	[07:46]
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cazalla	http://joakimericsson.deviantart.com/art/Four-Horsemen-Death-355293920 probably not what you want size wise	[07:52]
assbot	Four Horsemen - Death by JoakimEricsson on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdWyh )	[07:52]
cazalla	http://orig14.deviantart.net/d84d/f/2013/023/a/1/alone_in_the_wasteland__sacrifice_of_the_innocents_by_joakimericsson-d5sgq5b.jpg	[07:54]
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mircea_popescu	davout ah yes, here you are! ok euroing.	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	you know who else liked it a lot ? twitter, apaprently!	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/trilema/status/645573044300304384	[08:09]
shinohai	How have I been here ~6 moths and never found the trilema twitter account.	[08:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00075107 = 20.5042 BTC [+] {5}	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	because new chick on the block (social media expert in civil life) insisted to make a bunch of those shits YESTERDAY	[08:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43004 @ 0.00074206 = 31.9115 BTC [-] {3}	[08:12]
punkman	did she buy a bunch of retweets?	[08:12]
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danielpbarron	speaking of social media, allow me the first to mention that #BaeOfPigs is a thing, and probably the best hashtag ever conceived	[08:16]
punkman	pretty good :D	[08:17]
cazalla	sheeit, poor gavin relegated to the edges of the photoshoot https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPMCxcjUEAAISNo.jpg:large	[08:18]
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shinohai	Goog God Gavin is a Fat Fuck, isn't he?	[08:18]
cazalla	i get the impression charlie lee and bobby lee are brothers in the sense some white american couple bought them from an orphanage or something	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	davout you should be all set.	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	punkman looking at it i guess she must have.	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz.	[08:29]
*	mircea_popescu idly hoovered over the faces, saw various VC minded folks, didn't realise retweets are a different rubric.	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	it now occurs to me this is maybe not even coincidental.	[08:31]
punkman	could be some kind of spamtweet exchange too. tweet shit, get credits, spend em on other tweets	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	o you know... damn.	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	so that's what they do on the cellphones all day.	[08:31]
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mircea_popescu	!up VariaVarietatis	[08:31]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron what's bae of pigs ?	[08:32]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280804	[08:33]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 09:01:16; punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	cazalla at least he fattened nicely.	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	o	[08:33]
kakobrekla	i lost track of node, are dulap, zoolag and incitatus still in game?	[08:35]
kakobrekla	nodes	[08:35]
VariaVarietatis	mircea_popescu: I got a question about one of the footnotes in that article vi if peter is trading away 80% of his company to Richard for 1m at a 5m valuation?(number she used) but selling it at a 20% discount does that mean the term value is 4m and the valuation is 5m how does that work?	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla except for dulap iirc.	[08:35]
kakobrekla	ok	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	VariaVarietatis peter's company ?	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, 20% discount because he gets to own 20% of the million he brought himself, as well as of richard's company.	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	he doesn't trade 1mn for 20% of richard's company. he trades 1mn for 20% of richard's company and 20% of 1mn.	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla but there's also my unnamed one as well as bucephalus or w/e the recent one got called.	[08:38]
fluffypony	https://twitter.com/ROCLASI/status/645882306163515392	[08:42]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280729 < hope i got this right http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes	[08:45]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 04:06:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ?	[08:45]
assbot	the_real_bitcoin:nodes [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkrP9b )	[08:45]
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VariaVarietatis	mircea_popescu: so he gets 200k cash 800k goes into the company account richard gets 80% peter gets 20% going from PP1 to PP2 here? also how does the note part work I thought notes didn't get converted into equity until the company investors or is he filling his own note? still lost.	[08:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00024109 = 8.4743 BTC [-]	[08:51]
mircea_popescu	he gets no cash.	[08:51]
mircea_popescu	well at least not normally.	[08:52]
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VariaVarietatis	mircea_popescu: where does the 200k go?	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	nowhere.	[08:52]
shinohai	thx kakobrekla for making list.	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla missing 188.68.240.159	[08:53]
kakobrekla	which one is that, does it have a name?	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	it's mine.	[08:54]
kakobrekla	ok	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	i never named it.	[08:54]
kakobrekla	you just did	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	whatever.b-a.link ?	[08:55]
kakobrekla	added	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	worx	[08:56]
VariaVarietatis	mircea_popescu: so the company only gets 20% of the 1mn, what about the other 80% where does that come in?	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	dude. richard has a fish. peter has a million. they make a deal, now peter has 20% of (fish+million).	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	so he paid 1mn for 20% of fish + 20% of million. so he paid in the end 800k for 20% of fish, so he got fish at 1mn with 20% discount.	[08:58]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform unrelatred items.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	hory shit 130 eth bet.	[19:53]
*	BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	lol srsly ?	[19:55]
BingoBoingo	Government Motors kills people with flimsy ignition locks and VW decides their smallest car is fine without pisstank, yet VW is the bigger villain	[19:56]
BingoBoingo	srsly	[19:56]
BingoBoingo	they call the shit "adblue" 35% urea in aqueaous solution. Gets pissed into the exhaust stream	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	but... why ?	[19:57]
BingoBoingo	Because of Nitrogen oxides	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[19:57]
BingoBoingo	Because instead of letting efficient diesels with their turbos and insane compression produce a bit more oxidized nitrogen, make them emulate naturally aspirated gasoline vehicle	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	bureaucracy at work. "one thing got away and all other things got to be that thing now. because easier to have a central exception"	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	this is the fundamentally centralizing nature of bureaucracy. "gotta have one king, and preferably he be dead."	[19:59]
BingoBoingo	Because why accept engineering compromises when you can instead invent a tank that pisses into the exhaust and feed monsanto more bezzel	[20:00]
punkman	why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting.	[20:01]
*	BingoBoingo remebers there supposedly being a piss backed atlcoin advertised on bitcointalk at one point	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. << Biologic piss isn't good enough. Need special monsanto pure piss.	[20:01]
punkman	http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2015/09/20/bourne-aesthetic/	[20:02]
assbot	The Bourne Aesthetic – blarg? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKktU )	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	but you could add a gas cromatograph in the exhaust, diagnose driver's odds of getting kidney stones	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	while he waits in traffic.	[20:02]
BingoBoingo	lol	[20:02]
shinohai	BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.0 ?	[20:02]
assbot	[ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKlhp )	[20:02]
BingoBoingo	Well, now diesel exhaust contains ammonia, because THAT is SO MUCH BETTER than NOx	[20:02]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: That one	[20:02]
shinohai	That one gave me quite a few lolz	[20:03]
phf	http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/kernighan-interview/	[20:05]
assbot	An Interview with Brian Kernighan ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKy45 )	[20:05]
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punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXUG8q4jKU "I dont wanna live in a city where a rat cant drag a hard-earned slice of pizza down a subway staircase without being tormented by the media"	[20:21]
assbot	New York City rat taking pizza home on the subway - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlLwgR )	[20:21]
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mircea_popescu	i cant even.	[20:24]
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mircea_popescu	"No, you pedo-peso hoarding little shit lizard. One of your sociopathic free-market libertarian brethren took it upon themselves to threaten a real person and people around them in their place of work making them genuinely fearful."	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha what the ever living fuck.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck is stolfi and who the fuck cares about his bizarro cover-up for his own retirement.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	guy got bored of being stupid, i get it, no need to pretend like HORRIBRU FORCES AFOOT.	[20:30]
BingoBoingo	lol	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	anyway. if this works so well, i guess we need to sean more of sa then ?	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	put the fear of god into them, as that guy said.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/eTq1K because lulz.	[20:33]
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mircea_popescu	(that guy, J.E. Freeman)	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	btw, asciilifeform you know who invented "teledildonics" rite ?	[20:40]
asciilifeform	nope	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	"HTML is precisely what we were trying to PREVENT" guy.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	ted nelson.	[20:40]
asciilifeform	l0l	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	he's right, too. it is.	[20:40]
*	asciilifeform owns pretty much the whole of nelson's collected output, on dead tree	[20:41]
*	asciilifeform still working his way through it, sporadically	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	(not for the reason he cites, or at least not exactly, he fails to understand the deep rpoblems with "rights management", (which are what "version management" is in an edulcorated form)	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise, yes, link rot and no bijection. who the fuck wants this piece of shit.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	hint : the "expectations" about "what the internet is" which were build in the 90s by people about as informed or inclined to think as the current "blockchain technologies" crowd, are predicated on a MAXIMAL EXTENSION of an optimal ideal nelsonian network.	[20:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25901 @ 0.00074452 = 19.2838 BTC [+] {3}	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	they have zit to do with the html&javascript internet of today.	[20:43]
BingoBoingo	That Lopp fellow shilling for 21 nao	[20:43]
asciilifeform	the micropayment thing has to be taken in context. it was 1960s and his vision was arguably an improvement of 'if you want to make money from thinking, have a job in usg academia'	[20:43]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/8Wb1W	[20:43]
assbot	The 21 Bitcoin Computer : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbViaw )	[20:43]
asciilifeform	*improvement over	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	all that shit re culture and whatnot, all the pretense of wikipedia to relevance, the whole kaboodle : an overstated maximal output of an optimistic evaluation of a technological base that a) never actually existed in fact and b) has meanwhile been substituted by a provably worse alternative IN ALL THE POINTS	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo he was always 21 "evanghelism" afaik.	[20:44]
asciilifeform	the other thing that folks often forget is that neither nelson nor anybody else seriously expected illiterate derps to get their hands on the machines	[20:44]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	this is how vc circus works, spend 10-20mn on "a venture", part of which goes to "a respectable voice" etc.	[20:45]
asciilifeform	any more than schoolchildren are given bulldozers to play with	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	in the 60s ?	[20:45]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	in the 60s they didn't even realise their own children will be marrying into illiterate for lack of alternative.	[20:45]
asciilifeform	'computer' had stopped being a job title, but was still very much a ~place~	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	when i was a kid, the #1 question hopeful spouse had to handle with the fambly was "are they smart enough"	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	us forgot this somehoiw.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck said "honey, she's too dumb for you and her house smells of poor people" the past decade.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	afaik this is still very much a thing in usa	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	("smells of poor people" is in no small part ABSENCE. "intellectuals" are used to the mild allergenic reaction of paper dust mites + old ink smell in trace amounts. because 5k books around.)	[20:47]
asciilifeform	aha!	[20:47]
asciilifeform	to the point that if i travel for week+ and come home, it knocks me over nearly	[20:47]
*	mircea_popescu doesn't keep books anymore	[20:48]
asciilifeform	they didn't fit into the space capsule aha	[20:48]
gernika	My encyclopedia britannica smelled - not good	[20:48]
gernika	used to it now	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i took a gamble of sorts. it kinda worked.	[20:48]
phf	man can't keep up with that guy, first email, now books	[20:48]
asciilifeform	gernika: what vintage ?	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	what guy ?	[20:48]
phf	you	[20:49]
asciilifeform	gernika: i have a 1958 one, smells great	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[20:49]
shinohai	Sent 20 emails out today regarding your art commission, get one chick to reply 10 minutes ago. I gave her a link to chat.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	hey, i count it like giving up drinking.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	i don't aim to defend it.	[20:49]
gernika	asciilifeform: 1958 - complete with class schedule of a junior high student from 1969.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	gernika: we might disagree on what means 'smells great'	[20:49]
gernika	asciilifeform: it's a slightly chemical smell - perhaps ammoniaish?	[20:50]
asciilifeform	gernika: not in mine (as far as naked nose can tell) - oddly enough	[20:50]
asciilifeform	other than possibly on the colour plates.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaah alf has a nose cosy ?	[20:50]
asciilifeform	cosy ?	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	o you dunno what a cosy is ?	[20:51]
asciilifeform	just now saw it for the first time	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	it's a great thing. the main by-product of the knitting culture. little clothes made to measure by bored old women for things like teapots.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	apparently a kind of sock ?	[20:51]
*	asciilifeform does not own a knitted cone (or any other kind) to wear on the nose...	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	it has all the symptoms of childrearing apparatus gone berserk.	[20:52]
asciilifeform	https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/21inc << l0l	[20:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FbWoTx )	[20:53]
asciilifeform	and here i was thinking that hearncoin was through	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	so dumbass "political campaign" for some twerp here tried to have a huge rally (which is how i woke up, fucking drummers). but it's been raining, and nobody gives a shit about their crap, so they took refuge under a huge awning and there they've been, playing this inept 2 minute political soundclip (lo que la gente quiere, blabla fuckhead rodrgues) etc. this for a while, until	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	those fuckers. NOBODY FUCKING QUIERES.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	hanbot i'm dressing.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	hanbot i am going out there to tell them to shut the fuck up.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	this i gotta see.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	so she went down there and they stopped. and then... were quiet for like... ten minutes.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	then they started again	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	for maybe five minutes. and then left.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	let it never be said that woman can not break things. woman can break men's spirit, and that's major.	[20:56]
asciilifeform	l0l	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	she fucking shoo'd a political campaign away from the fucking downtown landmark!	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	valkyrie on a stick.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	i gotta teach her how to work the backpack flamethrower.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	lmao. remember that monthy python supermarket scene ?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	woman buys flamethrower ?	[20:57]
hanbot	i've got a fever, and the only prescription is moar dakka.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	haha	[20:58]
cazalla	asciilifeform, same seller you have mentioned from time to time? http://kremlin.enterprises/post/129364443055/your-code-is-so-bad-we-had-to-make-etclocal	[20:59]
assbot	your code is so bad we had to make /etc/local/... - kremlin_t ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbX7UP )	[20:59]
punkman	http://xm42.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/EASDFS3.jpg	[20:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FbX778 )	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	punkman nah that's mickey mouse.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	golden standard is this ru 8 gallon pre-pressured mix thing	[21:00]
asciilifeform	cazalla: looks like dks's house, aha	[21:01]
asciilifeform	cazalla: (a few photos in)	[21:01]
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asciilifeform	cazalla: i have the 3620 (first photo)	[21:01]
phf	above is just a portable propane poofer, which is a sort of rite of passage for construction among burning man steel&propane crowd	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	ah. yea	[21:02]
asciilifeform	or perhaps not dks. no idea.	[21:02]
punkman	above uses gasoline/diesel and electric pump	[21:03]
asciilifeform	'the situation was as follows: an older eccentric millionaire type had lots of this equipment rotting in his basement from years past. it needed to go, and he didn’t care much about scoring big for it. the people paying the market price for all this stuff would certainly mistreat it as they’d just flip them to profit. he wanted to see them go into loving hands who would restore them and treat them properly, but mostly want	[21:03]
asciilifeform	ed to see them go out of his basement. there was a lot of equipment besides the lisp machines.'	[21:03]
phf	for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	^	[21:04]
asciilifeform	aha!	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	gas is only good for tv.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	this is underappreciated	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	two problems : the flame is "light" so it flies off and you can't get it ON things.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	such as people.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	you want the flame to be HEAVY so you can put it on the enemy from under cover by shooting an arc	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	and you want it to stick around.	[21:05]
phf	punkman: yeah, i've realised that i was wrong after seeing little trails on the ground	[21:05]
*	mircea_popescu looks again.	[21:05]
cazalla	yeah that line is what caught my attention, story sounded familiar to something you have said here before	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	mmm, the way that ONE trail looked to me was, she's firing it at a puddle of flammable something	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	because reflection.	[21:06]
asciilifeform	cazalla: except that dks is not rich. he is a very old man living in a very small house - and - at least when i visited - had a boarder.	[21:06]
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asciilifeform	history of flamethrower - supposedly an uninterestingly low-tech thing - is actually full of twists	[21:08]
phf	so according to the website, "Officially approved fuels: Gasoline (unleaded), gasoline-diesel mixture, alcohol." and "tilizes a high pressure electric fuel pump, powered by a 3S lithium-polymer battery typically used in R/C aircraft"	[21:08]
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asciilifeform	when ww2 started, state of the art was to have 'pilot light'	[21:08]
BingoBoingo	for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent << polystyrene	[21:09]
asciilifeform	but this drew fire, and so different ways were tried	[21:09]
asciilifeform	the spout turned into something disguised as approximately a normal rifle,	[21:09]
asciilifeform	and ignition was done electrically or even with a pistol blank cartridge.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	" there was also a demand for systems that could be easily introspected, debugged, and changed by individual engineers, which was something mainframes couldn’t easily do as one mistake by one engineer could bring down a system serving dozens" <<< since we're doing the entire underappreciated point thing.	[21:09]
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mircea_popescu	the whole reason we EVEN THINK of software as user-serviceable is this.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	of fucking course it went to shit soon thereafter.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	it's a thin blade to walk.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even.	[21:11]
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mircea_popescu	"the amount of engineering effort that went into these machines far outweighs what you might get in a modern computer, and that’s something i don’t think the world will ever see again" << he's wrong, fwiw. the amount of competent work that went into art as the empire got fucked in the ass exceeded the amount before.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	just, to no benefit.	[21:12]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. << Only because enviro-frauds keep nuclear shaming	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	but on the metric he proposes, he;'s wrong.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo do the math, you'll see nuclear's not on the table.	[21:13]
BingoBoingo	For flamethrower or bomb?	[21:13]
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BingoBoingo	Spz. I need a harbor? How long would that take to dig with ANFO vs. Nuclear?	[21:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: iirc they used straight kerosene in ru, in those days.	[21:14]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform aha.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	and a separate tank for compressed air.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	worked well enough.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo for bomb of equal effectivity as fuel bomb, made out of your own choice of nuclear.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform aha.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	primary use case is really against a mostly-sealed container such as a tank or pillbox	[21:15]
asciilifeform	burn out the air.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	many use cases.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	tank, pillbox, enemy behind close ridge,	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	enemy in building,	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	fucking mice, generally speaking.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	the brits, in their typical 'if a thing is good, 100x of it is 100x better,' built a flamethrowing tank.	[21:16]
phf	BingoBoingo: we've used all kinds of stuff during childhood experiments. motor oil, tar (there was plenty of that in the country house area), bicycle tire shavings	[21:16]
BingoBoingo	Interesting	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	tar is arguably even better.	[21:17]
phf	not for flamethrower though, for "molotov"	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah lol	[21:17]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/fairview-heights-man-claims-he-was-imprisoned-for-days-for/article_b8093e36-4708-594f-a92e-1fec01e3cf19.html	[21:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FbZ2J0 )	[21:18]
asciilifeform	i've often wondered if a thermite-type reaction could be carried on in a liquid.	[21:18]
phf	i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics	[21:19]
asciilifeform	it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no reason it shouldn't, huh.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	phf yup, it was so bad at some point sports suppliers refused to sell ping pong balls to boys.	[21:19]
BingoBoingo	it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. << Probably ought to be dropped	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	"fuck you, get a girl to do it."	[21:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: dropped << that's old hat. i was speaking of man-portable projectile weapons specifically.	[21:20]
BingoBoingo	What, weapon can be limited to use only from top of cliff	[21:21]
phf	oh man ping pong balls the versatile weapon manufacturing device, i'm surprised they are not yet banned in u.s. stores. make a small hole, fill it with stuff, attach a fuse	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3lv58i/qntra_on_ethereum_vs_bitcoinxt/ << which one of you statist shills came up with the name.	[21:23]
assbot	Qntra on Ethereum vs BitcoinXT : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlOGX0 )	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	phf what fuse, stick a length of shoelace in there, good to go.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	we had specialist "turner" (kid who was adept at turning 1/4 wire around shoelace in a corkscrew pattern making ready to go puncher for ball.)	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	(you just used the injection hole as a starter)	[21:24]
phf	haa	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	come to think of it... no fucking wonder romania doesn't need fire alarms.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	you'd have to be fucking insane to build things flammably.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	or had to, at any rate.	[21:25]
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phf	we actually did have fuse at some point. one of the kids had one of those "engineer" fathers, who, i remember gave us, of note, soviet spectrum knockoff, rc plane engines of various sizes. he's also the one who converted part of forest glade into a "proper" badminton field, and then, with his wife as a partner, proceeded to regularly slaughter us in regular tournament matches	[21:29]
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asciilifeform	i did the most ordinary fuses - rope soaked in saltpetre.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	they worked great.	[21:30]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281563 << ugh. plastic badminton shuttles. for the birds !	[21:30]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 00:17:16; phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	but you gotta live in a shitty marsh where saltpetre is found!!1	[21:30]
BingoBoingo	Apparently the New York Times endorses untrained bystanders doing cric because 'Murica is now too fat for the heimlich http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/what-comes-after-the-heimlich-maneuver/?smid=tw-nytimeswell&smtyp=cur&_r=0	[21:30]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc0iM5 )	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	too fat for hymen lick ? not surprising!	[21:31]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281365 << ayup. to quote an alf :	[21:31]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 22:53:12; *: BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)	[21:31]
pete_dushenski	!s i thought this was well known	[21:31]
assbot	4 results for 'i thought this was well known' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=i+thought+this+was+well+known	[21:31]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, sure i read even heimlich stopped promoting the heimlich at some point	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea.	[21:32]
pete_dushenski	isn't it incredible the hoops that plastic-badge-loving maroons will jump through ?	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski: [...] it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS << he has a point there lol.	[21:33]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: well ya :D	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	two or three more twists of the difficulty knob, you'll be almost at the level of archeologists trying to read some stone they found.	[21:33]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281372 << not a piss consideration. entirely germany's 'green but not green so then blue' branding	[21:34]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 22:55:27; mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	real men skinnydip in the marian trench. DURING SHARK SEASON ONLY.	[21:34]
pete_dushenski	all the german car co's do the 'blue' thing	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	they had the grune punkt. why not green ?	[21:34]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: real men dance on hot coals with other real men on their shoulders. in a blizzard.	[21:35]
pete_dushenski	green is for ze amerikans	[21:35]
phf	pete_dushenski: hard to source that sort of stuff in the middle of nowhere, by the time we would even consider destroying a shuttle, i'd be shredded beyond any sort of reasonable aerodynamic characteristics	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[21:35]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: green is, ironically, dirty.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	phf wut srsly ? i take it YOUR soviet state wasn't friends with china back then huh ?	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	nyah nyah.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	romania was awash in chinese exports. including the "drawing sets" and whatnot.	[21:36]
pete_dushenski	when i was in china, the giant stadiums full of badminton players, all of whom i coulda mopped the floor with, used... plastic.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	i never saw a cock made out of anything but.	[21:37]
pete_dushenski	i guarantee that there were private clubs in soviet russia that had feather shuttles	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[21:37]
pete_dushenski	just not for everyone	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	badminton kinda had this bad rep as i grew up.	[21:37]
pete_dushenski	they're around $3 a pop	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	"what fat chicks do"	[21:37]
pete_dushenski	the feather shuttles	[21:38]
pete_dushenski	have been for years	[21:38]
phf	i've not seen a chinese export, until the first wave of chelnok came back with bag full of stuff from turkey (traded as i recently discovered for priceless pre-soviet antiques for pennies)	[21:38]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: i can see it. 'athletic but not'	[21:38]
pete_dushenski	the backyard sorta game that most everyone knows is exactly this	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	it wasn't even gay, like volley or what's that other thing, minisoccer with hands ?	[21:39]
pete_dushenski	lolwut	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	phf well they weren't priceless antiques yet. and i doubt many people seriously saw a putin future back then.	[21:39]
pete_dushenski	handball maybe ?	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	!b 12	[21:39]
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mircea_popescu	as far as anyone could imagine, russia was going the way of ex euro colonies in africa.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	a yeah handball	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	right, so volleyball and handball were the faggoty sports in that it's what the girls (and some guys) did. whereas you were supposed to play football like god intended, or MAYBE basketball. badminton was literally, healthclub fare, for old people and chicks of the third gender.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	(this is what you get when the state embraces sports and you get mandatory sport in school and whatnot)	[21:41]
phf	mircea_popescu: huh, that's really odd, not much of that in su	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	rly ?	[21:41]
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phf	well, i didn't know anyone else playing badminton except our group, purely on account said father and his wife being some sort of ranked competing amateur level at some point of their lives. but i've never encountered the whole "badminton is not real sport" until i came to u.s.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	honestly, most everyone was more open minded than romanians throughout forever. most hardline soviets in soviet union, would have hung nikita if possible after that thing. heck, ceausescu was trying to convince gorbacev of the errors of the past in 1987	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	and before that, and hence.	[21:43]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mmg7PVJ3rg << for example (and ftr) here are a couple of the guys i used to play against and train with, and what high-level amateur singles badminton looks like in canada	[21:44]
assbot	2013 Canadian Nationals - MS F - B.Milroy [BC] vs A.Pang [AB] - Match - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlRinK )	[21:44]
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pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_qpF1ClrQ << some doubles, about the level i played at in my prime	[21:44]
assbot	Black Knight British Columbia Junior Elite U19 Doubles Finals Badminton - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlRmEf )	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	(i am not seriously proposing there's objective hierarchy to the respectability of sports, if that's not obvious. merely recording lived history)	[21:44]
mats	i don't get the basis for this 'old people and chicks of the third gender' shtick.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	mats you understand how social exclusion works rite ?	[21:44]
mats	its accessible to the infirm and therefore, what...?	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	therefore undignified.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	literally, the most common dismissal in kid circles was, "anyone could do that".	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	and the proper phraseology for a challenge, "hey, can you do this ?"	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	ie, "ba, tu poti asa ?"	[21:46]
cazalla	handball was boys only down under, cant ever recall seeing girls play but many competitive boys matches amongst all the grades	[21:47]
pete_dushenski	in canada, the equivalent to the 'sport for old ppl and chicks of third gender' is curling	[21:47]
pete_dushenski	but really it's mostly the former, old ppl and small town folk	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281026 << well of course ? i mean, they did pay into the scheme, neh ?	[21:47]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 14:57:28; pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ?	[21:47]
phf	pete_dushenski: those videos make me itch, lol	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	in today's fun exotism, curling means "ass I lick" in romanian.	[21:48]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: so did americans, but it's not really sustainable for them ALL to get that pension they were promised. so they won't	[21:48]
pete_dushenski	phf: like itch to play again ? :)	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	which is why independence makes sense. demand you get it anyway.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	as a bloc.	[21:49]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: bahaha	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	better deal than getting raped as an individual.	[21:49]
pete_dushenski	laugh was about "ass i lick"	[21:49]
phf	pete_dushenski: doubles look weak though, like they are playing tennis, wouldn't fly with our teachers, since you were going to get one at the net, once you started camping so far back	[21:49]
trinque	bocce is in my mind the essential old people's backyard drinking game	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	ah, no drinking whatsoever.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	drinking games are a diff story altogether.	[21:50]
trinque	oh, a friend and I drank plenty playing bocce at his house	[21:50]
trinque	this is what I thought badminton was for as well; something absurd to do while drinking socially	[21:51]
pete_dushenski	phf: ya, those kids aren't fantastic.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	as seen in amato's liceale. "Ve ho fregato perche non le porto!"	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	drinking games mostly consist of "guess what article of clothing the boys are thinking about - if you guess right you gotta show it, if not take it off!"	[21:52]
phf	the height of chic was to get an opponent into a dunking game, and then do a light drop right by the net. perfectly execute resulted in shuttle skirting the edge and dropping on the other side. not sure if that's properly legal though. many a games have been lost because somebody wanted to show off and ended up hitting the net on own side	[21:52]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, the romanian handball is 5-6 squares with no wall or the shitty 1v1 or 2v2 players hit against the wall type of hand ball?	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	cazalla it's that thing where you're supposed to shoot at a small goal gate from no closer than 7 meters	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	special interdiction zone around it	[21:52]
cazalla	no ace king queen jack dunce then i guess as we did here	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	actually the wall thing didn't have a [single] name but it was perfectly acceptable passtime for getting the players together for a game o' football.	[21:53]
pete_dushenski	https://youtu.be/TOxNOa-yZJ4?t=22m8s << for those interested, actual pro men's doubles badminton	[21:53]
assbot	L.Yong Dae/Y.Y.Seong v M.Boe/C.Mog.\|MD\| Day 4 Match 6 - BWF Destination Dubai 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc2HGT )	[21:54]
pete_dushenski	phf: what's 'a dunking game' ?	[21:55]
cazalla	i guess handball is as ambiguous as football the world over then	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd is so fucked ;/	[21:55]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."	[21:55]
pete_dushenski	and yes, hitting the net is loss of point, but other than that, sounds legal/legit	[21:55]
phf	pete_dushenski: i don't know any of the proper english terminology, but your video precisely illustrates my point	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	as predicted by alf and others.	[21:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00073532 = 2.5736 BTC [-]	[21:56]
pete_dushenski	phf: maybe you're refering to full court 'lobs' ? these'd be called 'clears' en anglais	[21:56]
phf	one side is doing the whole jump and direct hit, where's the other side counters equally strong, but then sneak lower energy response to the net. in the video chinese guy doesn't clear it though	[21:56]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: inb4 amd opterons are going for $1k a pop	[21:57]
pete_dushenski	just checked local classifieds, whole box with 'opteron' can be had for as little as $150 still	[21:58]
pete_dushenski	~0.5 btc	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/JJ4CDlF.png	[21:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3kjz )	[21:58]
phf	pete_dushenski: right, according the wikipedia it's a series of lobs, followed by drop shot	[21:58]
pete_dushenski	aha	[21:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00073467 = 27.9909 BTC [-] {3}	[21:59]
pete_dushenski	phf: after watching a bit more of that u19 boys doubles vid, both sides are awfully nervous	[22:00]
pete_dushenski	which makes sense given that their parents are breathing down their necks 2' from the court	[22:00]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZekuO-FJY << much better canadian men's doubles. no nerves here.	[22:01]
assbot	Canadian Badminton Nationals 2011 - Bronze Medal Game - Men's Double 3rd set (2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3GXm )	[22:01]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: not all opterons are created equal	[22:02]
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pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: aha. so what's 'alf recommended' ?	[22:02]
pete_dushenski	for the completely ignorant...	[22:02]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: depends on what you're doing !	[22:02]
asciilifeform	sorta like pete_dushenski would react if i asked 'recommend a car'	[22:03]
BingoBoingo	Trying to take over the world?	[22:03]
pete_dushenski	ok : bitcoin, pgp, web, text, youtube.	[22:03]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: the hard part is to find the mobo with ecc/'registered' ram support	[22:04]
asciilifeform	the cpu itself is (at this time) plentiful	[22:04]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281255 << man o man is this worth a chuckle	[22:05]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:36; ascii_field: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RD021C << vendor page.	[22:05]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: see log	[22:05]
pete_dushenski	they won't sell 10k of these things	[22:06]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: o i did	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	yeah, doubt the 1k a pop scenario is possible, amd never had good mb support.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	and i gotta learn to form my ideas in subsecond rather than subminute intervals, or else i just repeat the damned log!	[22:06]
asciilifeform	i've been running 'tyan' boards for many years.	[22:07]
pete_dushenski	i wish 21 could be relied upon to publish sales data, which they aren't, or else i'd try to short the tards	[22:07]
asciilifeform	pretty much everything else afaik is junk.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski where are they listed ?	[22:07]
pete_dushenski	21 is private afaik	[22:07]
pete_dushenski	http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/09/were_number_16.html << heh. usistan drops from 10th to 16th in 'economic freedom' in a span of just 4 years	[22:09]
assbot	We're Number 16! We're Number 16!, David Henderson \| EconLog \| Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4EmD )	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281047 << because it was the one available escape from socialism ?	[22:09]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 16:18:27; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag	[22:09]
asciilifeform	escape l0l	[22:10]
hanbot	BingoBoingo / cazalla , qntra submission for consideration: http://dpaste.com/1TAA9VJ	[22:11]
assbot	dpaste: 1TAA9VJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4ZWh )	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you dispute ?	[22:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not as such. but have to consider why the escape was, at least in certain cases, into mathematics rather than drink	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	this never happened.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	undrunk ru mathematician ?!	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	not even in highschool teaching.	[22:12]
asciilifeform	or, possibly more to the point, why the escape from misery of the west is pretty much never into first-rate mathematics.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	because the misery of the west is not self aware.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	it's a sort of misery that masquerades as "good enough".	[22:13]
asciilifeform	there is this. but also the other thing.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	which is ?	[22:13]
asciilifeform	the western model of mass education, with the conscious goal of maximally intellectually crippling the victim ?	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281071 << why do you think this is either difficult or even rare on a vm ?!	[22:14]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 16:28:37; thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the su had the exact same, exactly equally conscious goal.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	all education is an exercise in rape. that it's done by the state just improves the odds of it being unpleasant,	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise, education is rape.	[22:15]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/	[22:15]
asciilifeform	education in su, at least in so far as it pertained to maths and the physical sciences, was most certainly not a feature of a 'make'em stupid' plan of whatever sort.	[22:17]
asciilifeform	the key difference is not even, as popularly supposed, in the fundamentals (although to some extent this was true)	[22:18]
trinque	re: qntra what of the police officer's actively seeking to collect naked teen pix	[22:18]
asciilifeform	but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters.	[22:18]
trinque	*officers	[22:18]
asciilifeform	ftr i did not witness any of the latter personally.	[22:19]
asciilifeform	but it was a thing.	[22:19]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281751 << iirc this was in the logz week or two ago...	[22:21]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 01:13:51; deedbot-: [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/	[22:21]
asciilifeform	but since it is here again, i will note that it is precisely the arbitrary cruelty that is the ~goal~ here.	[22:22]
trinque	maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young.	[22:22]
trinque	and you know, knocked around by the legal system a bit	[22:23]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Hanbot includes the news where he now plea guilty, also hard to pass up her particular style of condemnation of evil	[22:24]
asciilifeform	'The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.' He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: 'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?' Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said. 'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure tha	[22:24]
asciilifeform	t he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.'	[22:24]
asciilifeform	(oughta be obvious from where)	[22:25]
asciilifeform	among the pua folks, this is known as 'shit test'	[22:25]
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trinque	I don't know that it's anything as centrally organized as Orwell's thing	[22:26]
trinque	they can pick on teenagers for their normal sexuality, and so they do	[22:26]
asciilifeform	this is not a necessary hypothesis.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	and yes, for normal sexuality.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	as described in the footnotes of http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm	[22:27]
assbot	A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVObY )	[22:27]
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asciilifeform	'At a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning a woman does so only as a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furtherance of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may no	[22:28]
asciilifeform	t be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used. Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regula	[22:28]
asciilifeform	tions and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used.'	[22:28]
asciilifeform	^ from mircea_popescu's piece, quoted for the logz.	[22:28]
asciilifeform	the particular case in question is also an instance of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-08-2015#1232285	[22:30]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 15:21:43; asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'	[22:30]
asciilifeform	all cp prosecutions are, without exception, exercises of 'lettre du cachet' powers. on account of the impossibility of proving otherwise, plus the lack of anyone giving half a rat's arse re: said proof.	[22:31]
asciilifeform	'hackteam' leak revealed a spiffy, user-friendly bot module used by usg to remotely cp-ize winblowz users. it was mentioned in guess how many newspapers.	[22:32]
trinque	I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population	[22:34]
asciilifeform	and - ianal, but, afaik it is a 'strict liability' offence in usa. this means that considerations like 'i had no idea this was on my box' only count with respect to the decision to prosecute - that is, ~in the event the prosecutor deems it worthy of consideration~ - rather than on the matter of guilt or innocence.	[22:34]
trinque	see: abstinence camps and so on	[22:34]
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mircea_popescu	trinque heh, i imagine there's some pretty decent policeman teen porn stashes.	[22:35]
trinque	oh I'm sure they trade the things just like has been said about the NSA	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. << kinda like outcast behaviour.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	"the kid has the M disease, what do we do ? " "i dunnoi, cast him in the M pit, let them tell him how to live with it. they obviously know by now"	[22:36]
asciilifeform	it worked.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	that it happens to work well doesn't change what it is.	[22:36]
asciilifeform	i personally don't give a damn if they had been doing it to please odin.	[22:36]
asciilifeform	it fucking worked.	[22:37]
asciilifeform	and in usa, it is anathema.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	but we were not discussing THAT.	[22:37]
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mircea_popescu	maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. << everybody does. prime fuckmeat = nude teen chained to the wall.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	about as likely to change as the color of sunset.	[22:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00075144 = 24.0085 BTC [+] {4}	[22:39]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281212 << I can get 10k per day and it only cost me ~35 USD worth	[22:39]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 20:29:28; ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?	[22:39]
trinque	yeah, I've got no problem with it; they're the ones protesting too much	[22:39]
trinque	mircea_popescu: ^	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	lol danielpbarron got himself a mining rig huh.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	see logz for my hypothesis re: why usg is handing out almost homeopathically-small miners.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	i handed this one out.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	speaking of the other one	[22:42]
asciilifeform	the '21' thing	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population << in all cases. that's how witchhunts work, and why they exist.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	likely, somewhere in there is an antifuse that, e.g., switches the workfunction to use sha3, or the like.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the notion of "Strict liability" even being allowed is lulzy.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	any matter with strict liability straight to jury nullification.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it was originally limited to, iirc, traffic offenses.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	you want laws enforced, put some work into making them make sense.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	jury nullification is, contrary to popular belief, not really a thing in usa. not in the sense that it is impossible - it is certainly possible, on paper. but in practice verdict (in criminal cases) must be unanimous, and it never happens.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	ever.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	and if the judge catches a juror actively persuading others to nullify, he can try him for 'contempt'	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	only before deliberation.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	the usual result is what is called 'hung jury'	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[22:45]
*	asciilifeform saw this from inside, personally hung it	[22:45]
asciilifeform	this simply leads to a new trial.	[22:45]
asciilifeform	with fresh meat puppets.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	ayup.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	more lulz @ usg expense.	[22:45]
asciilifeform	oh noez the judge might have to work on fridays !	[22:45]
asciilifeform	(true story.)	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[22:46]
danielpbarron	at least a hung jury wastes more USG money	[22:47]
trinque	in our "markets" the fetish of wealth, and in our courts and police stations the fetish of power	[22:47]
trinque	what, they don't have enough to do in Baltimore/Ferguson/wherever ?	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281097 << if a hog fucks a goat in my presence, in the sense that i was in the same country at some point, this does not qualify the resulting hogbeast as "my bastard"	[22:48]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 16:49:58; ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	actually it does not matter at all to usg if a trial is a 'new' one, or rerun of 'hung jury' trial.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	every trial is an exercise of usg power.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	and they are cheap.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281100 << dude that's fucking stupid	[22:48]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 16:52:26; ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	and they will deputize 'magistrates' and other faux judge-lite animals	[22:48]
asciilifeform	as needed.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i thought you said these people took math. at some point.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	at minimal cost.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	you don't accept magistrate judge.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that is why it is an exercise of ~conscious~ stupidity. mr mold ~knows~ what he is doing.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	he knows that it is an atrocity.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	once one gets out of the paper bag of "hiring counsel", one discovers all sorts of little knobs on the papers.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	i expect that fella who 'won't accept' will get some form of... persuasion, in his jail cell, in the form of broken teeth	[22:50]
asciilifeform	until he likes magistrates again.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	except he doesn't.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	why not ?	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	because he might just as well run the jail like his own personal whorehouse.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	then da gets some form of persuasion,	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	in the shape of broken teeth.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	what man does, man does, alfie. always remember.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	why would a fella who can administer broken teeth to the d.a., end up in a jail at any point ?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	usg paid for security.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	usg paid for the whores.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	let it do what it likes doing.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	i see the point here, i think. the (private) 'crime and punishment museum' in d.c. - the one with the famous electric chairs - has an example of mafia don's cell	[22:52]
asciilifeform	with couches, escritoir, tiffany lamps, etc.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	the point is drastically more subtler than that.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	in ANY contest of nine year olds, SOME nine year olds	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	no schooling, no government job, no friends and no other arrangements can ever change this.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	and da's are not really selected for manhood, not in the us, not these days.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281105 << problem with the bezzletron is that words become dirty through their usage. which is why colored coins gotta become bitshares gotta become ripple gotta become ethereum and on and on.	[22:54]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 16:54:58; ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281109 << "broadly the difference is that curtis originally didn't understand what this all is, then got called on it by http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ then had someone who can actually think explain what's going on to him, then the next day came up with.... wait for it... HIS OWN IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN.	[22:56]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 16:57:27; ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'	[22:56]
assbot	Stage n: Bitcoin exists. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFKNie )	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	becauyse yeah, totally, no "smart in his own mind" schmuck to date has managed to avoid this trap.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	between stolfi and lew rockwell, a whole fucking massed galaxy of these imbeciles.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ?	[23:00]
assbot	dpaste: 117CE64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJwhQy )	[23:00]
phf	neat	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, i appreciate that they're SO FUCKING PETRIFIED of bitcoin can't even talk of it other than under the SA guise.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	rly, "blockchain networks", go paint your asshole with lipstick, it's about as obvious.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	also, it's not exactly clear what the bitcoin per-transaction COSTS are, but it is quite obvious that a) mining is designed to be a ~0% margin activity and has been exactly that without exception through the history and b) the PRICE paid for a block which is usually 1-2k transactions is usually 25ish BTC, which is for simplicity 5k dollars.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	so their math is correct, it does cost MULTIPLE DOLLARS to properly settle a transaction, via the TRUSTLESS blockchain mechanism.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	and all the fuckwards derping about bitcoin and africa are more than welcome to explain who in this world exactly needs 2 dollar-fortified transactions to pay for his fucking plastic pocket protector or whatever the shit reddit buys from that one fat chick at the talent fair.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	these are the sort of schmucks that can't even afford pants to keep their money in.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281113 << unavoidable. this is what being a thought leader entails : that EVERYONE ELSE is stuck trying to make your planes out of mud and sticks. for that is what they have and this is what they want.	[23:07]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:29; ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.	[23:08]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:46; ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	so, no. it does not. it has some shit, and it's so confused it doesn't even realise it.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true.	[23:10]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 18:16:12; ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281877 << b0rk3d	[23:10]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 01:58:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	and archive dies on http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/~/on/0v4.fr10a.u9sem.37m45.gtp52.qui8p.json	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	i guess we'll never know.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281876 >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html >> 'There is much less intellectual dishonesty among people who aren't smart enough to make up a sufficiently large part of the world that they can live in it, and the bigger part of the world you can create inside your own head, the more important it is that you don't move into your own mind, but keep	[23:13]
asciilifeform	living in the real world, with its incredibly annoying habit of wrecking _every_ constructed expectation sooner or later.'	[23:13]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 01:56:31; mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.	[23:13]
assbot	Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFLvMg )	[23:13]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281891 << mircea_popescu if you have an actual proof, i and 10,001 other people would enjoy reading it.	[23:14]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 02:08:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true.	[23:14]
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asciilifeform	but afaik no such proof presently is known to exist.	[23:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281152 << ianae but my reading at the original time (back when i even sponsored development in the then-nascent alt paradigm, see http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#selection-35.0-37.0 ) was that they actually had pretty much the same idea as alf, which is to say the old sherlockism : "once you've eliminated all stupid, what you're left weith, however improbable	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	, must be smart".	[23:15]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 18:40:15; ascii_field: not far from the facts though.	[23:15]
assbot	So this Urbit thing... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJxM1j )	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	course meanwhile that fizzled.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	but it's what i had formed in my head in that week or however long the interest lasted.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	it fizzled in 2010 when mr mold decided on 'jets'.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	everything that came after that was nonsense.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	there is no forgiveness for a stupid foundation.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	well in my defense i wasn't reading it then.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	simply how it works.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532 << i did tell him.	[23:17]
assbot	Moron Lab: Urbit: functional programming from scratch ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJy2gD )	[23:17]
asciilifeform	now if only he'd listened! then he could starve in this ditch with me, instead of bathing in benjies and cocaine in his usg-filled wealthtub	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the fact that one is not the same as other is what happens to be true.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	ie, that it's a conjecture.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	ah then yes!	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea how you'd prove that. at all.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	i expect if ever resolved it'll be like the fermat thing.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	btw re earlier feather discussion : http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ probably ties in.	[23:19]
assbot	The crime of being American on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJyc7I )	[23:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually! this proof exists for rabin's pubkey algo!	[23:19]
asciilifeform	go, read.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	after all, feathers, right ? from like, animals, right ?	[23:19]
asciilifeform	see what such a proof looks like, readily.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	not what i meant!	[23:19]
asciilifeform	and aha yes, ties in.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	hm?	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	i didn't mean "i should like for someone to show me how math works". i just meant i dunno that there's even a promising direction of research into the matter.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	research - yes, promising (afaik) - no.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	'spreading on bread works! eating - not yet' (tm) (r) (su)	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	so it'll prolly be resolved, if ever, by a totally unexpected and half nutty formalism	[23:21]
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asciilifeform	at the risk of mixed metaphor, the locusts have cleared out the low-hanging fruit, yes.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	btw wiles looks a lot like brin the elder wouldn't you think ?	[23:23]
asciilifeform	i certainly see the resemblance.	[23:23]
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asciilifeform	though wiles has a gaunt and somewhat hobo-like flavour to him, from the extant photos	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	mostly the mouth tho	[23:24]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281864 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281866 << i see in the list 'lead' and 'follow' but where is 'fail' ?	[23:26]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:38; mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.	[23:26]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 01:51:12; mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof,	[23:27]
asciilifeform	is life of a soldier, for example, a fail ?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	which has a very "factorization" flavour to it.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform failure is a subjective point.	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	which is why the stupid never fail and the smart never succeed.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	l0l	[23:27]
asciilifeform	i can see it.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281155 << an alternative explanation would go like so : a. the value of all things is predicated on lulz and drama, and nothing else. even if we discovered this point with bitcoin, it's really - like all other things we discovered "about bitcoin", a universal property of reality.	[23:29]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..	[23:29]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281874 << the absolute worst risk category for this kind of disease is to be involved in computing. because there, it is largely ACTUALLY TRUE that everyone is retarded.	[23:29]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 01:55:29; mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	b. the only people who give a shit about dadaist stuff are involved in it ; c. it's not fucking funny.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	ergo d. the only way for it to pay bills is through cannibalizing its own membership for the onlyt thing they're good for : butt tears.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	i had to go and actually dig up a fucking lisp machine to figure out why it cannot be 'suck the cock of' and made a base for future work as-is	[23:30]
asciilifeform	for example.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	this incidentally also goes for socialism, which yes, inasmuch as it's "the political ideology of the stupid" is indistinguishable from applied dadaism.	[23:30]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i can see it.	[23:31]
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asciilifeform	likewise, the most egregious retardation is shat forth by one specific consideration - backwards compatibility.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	ergo a rejection of the latter, always strikes the thinking man - and lunatic, alike - as the most enticing possible thing.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY."	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	same result in the end.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	not necessarily same	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	what comes ~after~ depends, at least partly, on ~why~ we burned it.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	if stupid-burned - it will be same old idiocy with different coat of paint.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	which is how the largest dispute to date we had has been over... fucking compatibility.	[23:34]
asciilifeform	as mr mold's bad re-invention.	[23:34]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281888 << wai wat	[23:38]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2015 02:06:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	how's that work	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	i would not hire the idiots.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	who in his right mind, would ?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	whosoever proposes they are actually valuable. by the flow of that conversation it seemed that includes you.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	not exactly	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	but if not - greenspun.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	not-having-to-work-dayjob is valuable.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	all else being equal.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	" But sitting in the parking lot it gave us the appearance of extravagance while inside the building we were living the frugal life--in a world starved for software development talent, it would have been hard to lose money paying MIT-educated programmers $50-85,000 base salaries plus an end-of-year bonus based on accomplishment and the firm's performance."	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	exact quote.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	allow me to lol.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	(this, incidentally, is what 30 years did to the us.)	[23:40]
asciilifeform	i might be thick, but - which this ?	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform when greenspun wrote that, he wasn't entirely wrong. yet.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually he wrote this at the heights of the bezzlatronic 'dotcom boom'	[23:41]
asciilifeform	iirc	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	now it's a fucking laughingstock, like declaring it hard to lose money by playing scratch loittery.	[23:42]
asciilifeform	so nothing really changed other than the particular flavour of muppet being bathed in benjies	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	mebbe.	[23:42]
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asciilifeform	none of greenspun's cohort was thusly bathed for creating anything like a properly salable product that somebody, somewhere, actually ~wanted~	[23:42]
asciilifeform	it was all acquisition/'exit' games, all the way down.	[23:42]
asciilifeform	or straight ponzi, e.g., yahoo, amazon	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	actually, his own description of arsdigita differs with your estimation.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	the facts of the matter are that it had a positive cash flow and no investment.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	where did it go ?	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	maybe some wiggle room between these.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it was acquired by greylock and atlantic, who, according to him, fucked it all up.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	'During the spring of 1999, for example, recruiting 5 hires would earn the employee a Honda S2000. Recruiting 10 employees would net a Ferrari F355. A trophy F355 in bright yellow was kept parked outside of the Prospect Street office in Cambridge to entice employees into recruiting. Later in the summer of 1999, as new management was brought on board, the policy was quietly changed to a lease of the cars, not outright ownership	[23:45]
asciilifeform	.' (pediwik)	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	l0l	[23:45]
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assbot	ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxiqq4 )	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281185 << heh.	[23:47]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 20:22:11; ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	'We'd paid nearly $1 million in income tax on our profits for calendar year 1999. Not so bad considering that we built everything from a $10,000 investment.' << at the risk of cribbing from obama's 'you didn't make that company', greenspun... did not make that idiot dotcom gold rush!	[23:47]
asciilifeform	without it, quite likely, he would have been nothing.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	but yes, he got to sell the pick axes.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	for a while, anyway.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	this is not a valid objection.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	iirc they had some sort of graphical interface bs. there was demand for that in industrial circles quite legitimately	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	iirc he names siemens ?	[23:48]
asciilifeform	the 'web2.0'ism engulfed all	[23:49]
asciilifeform	incl. siemens	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	well of course. but this was calendar 1999	[23:49]
asciilifeform	hell, recall what siemens is most famous for today.	[23:49]
asciilifeform	(stuxnet platform)	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	"cheap apple copy" ?	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281217 << should appeal to randi the clown and her cohorts.	[23:50]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 20:30:23; ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'	[23:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: imho the '21' thing is a genuine puzzler.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[23:50]
asciilifeform	aside from outlandish hypothesis like 'hidden usg altcoin miner' - i can hardly think of any logical reason for it to exist.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	but possibly that's just me.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	how about the neobee "brick and mortar stores" ? could you see a reason for those to exist ?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	what about "bitcoin atms" ?	[23:51]
asciilifeform	i slept through the neobee thing	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	looky here : vc wants "adoption", and "adoption" means basically trying to hot topic all over something.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	the 'bitcoin atm' at least has some sort of practical lure	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	so they're blockchain technologizing.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	where, then, is the 'consumeratronic' aesthetic ? why no injection-molded case, blinkenlights, touch panel ?	[23:51]
asciilifeform	as with the atm	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281224 << years ago. never did much for them and quietly discarded.	[23:52]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners	[23:52]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you have to understand, the 21 thing is merely a remake of an ancient attempt by the coinbase/foundation scammers. it was called "coinlab".	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	also quietly discarded. like this will be, in a few years.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	yeah but this thing, at least on the surface, is laughably DOA	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281227 << that can not be right.	[23:53]
assbot	Logged on 21-09-2015 20:33:23; ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	120 Gh/s?!! srsly?	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,calc 120000	[23:53]
gribble	use the 'gentime' command instead	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	;;gentime 120000	[23:53]
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gribble	The average time to generate a block at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 67 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 25 / 67 * 365	[23:54]
gribble	136.194029851	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	tsk.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 25 / 67 / 365	[23:54]
gribble	0.00102228583112	[23:54]
asciilifeform	there we go.	[23:54]
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mircea_popescu	quarter a day. how big is it ?	[23:54]
asciilifeform	the gadget ?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	120gh/s still need like 50W or so ?	[23:54]
asciilifeform	more like 10W iirc	[23:55]
asciilifeform	(the dev board it is attached to can supply no more)	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	then they're not mining 120gh	[23:55]
asciilifeform	advertised was '50 - 120' iirc	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	im telling you, the numbers aren't aha lol.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	so you'll get 12.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	but say it is 200, even. still pocket lint.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	this is more in line with what i had in my head. intel ran numbers came out with 0.0001 not 0.001	[23:56]
asciilifeform	esp. after the halving, difficulty slide, etc	[23:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: intel was right. my figure assumes a frozen universe	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	there is some appeal to giving a kid a goose that lays a dollar egg each day.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	a $450 egg ?	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	hey, comes right out of their college fund :D	[23:57]
asciilifeform	goose, rather	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	besides, that $450 mud bike thery want is just gonna produce hospital bills.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	better get the goose.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, you'll know if this is their "killer ap" by xmas advertising.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	if they murder it, that's the plan.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	it would make some elementary sense, even as a scam, if it were not for the exponentially decaying egg mass	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	you clearly never had kids.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	nope.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	if anything survives five seasons the kid should be taken to doctor.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	"say doc... why is my boy not breaking all his shit like all the other boys ?!"	[23:58]
asciilifeform	l0lz	[23:59]
pete_dushenski	this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/	[23:59]

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