Forum logs for 21 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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funkenstein_ decimation: I stumbled across you in an odd place [00:07]
funkenstein_ "Major thirds move quickly around the 53-note circle of fifths, because of the decimation chosen to give preference to the fifth as representing the smallest change." [00:07]
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* BingoBoingo prefers circle of circle of minor fifths, prefers the devil's note [00:10]
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BingoBoingo 7th's major or minor also cool unless the rest of the chord is being filled in [00:12]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/597631037569634304/p81c93Ed.jpg << dude dpb actually has a better beard than me [00:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: proposed article: any value above 3 which satisfies the traditional recipe (where n = pq, public e is less than n-1, and relatively prime to p-1 and q-1) will work. [00:15]
decimation funkenstein_: hehe wtf [00:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i meanwhile added some more notes! [00:15]
mircea_popescu (just published it) [00:15]
mircea_popescu that is one of them [00:15]
asciilifeform neato. [00:16]
decimation funkenstein_: I was unaware of the musical use of the term [00:16]
mircea_popescu i always thought that's the reference o.O [00:16]
mircea_popescu how DID you come up with the nick then ? you terrorist you. [00:16]
decimation no it's a reference to signal processing [00:16]
mircea_popescu o [00:16]
mircea_popescu these two are related. [00:17]
decimation yeah kinda [00:17]
decimation 'drop N of K items' [00:17]
asciilifeform i always assumed it was the roman decimation, l0l [00:17]
decimation or kill a tenth of your legion [00:17]
decimation for failing [00:17]
asciilifeform for, properly speaking, being unlucky [00:17]
decimation it's a convenient double meaning [00:18]
asciilifeform (how do you make a legion luckier?) [00:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106850 @ 0.00025603 = 27.3568 BTC [-] [00:18]
decimation fight derpy natives instead of battle hardened germans? [00:18]
asciilifeform 'you go to war with the enemy you have, not the enemy you wish you had' (TM) (R) [00:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141011 << shit i had noticed the traffic was drooping [00:19]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 00:05:37; danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/infinitechan/status/601176574713569280 >> Load balancer crashed. I asked datacenter for assistance with it. It apparently overheated, fan might be broken. More updates to come. [00:19]
mircea_popescu copypaste our condolences! [00:19]
decimation http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2339&pr=0 < "Neanderthals who survived into their thirties looked like they had been pulled out of a Humvee that was hit by an IED. One fellow was missing an eye, an arm, a thumb and a foot! These guys suffered from no known diseases. However, their main food [according to chemical analysis of their bones] was the auroch?basically a rodeo bull?which they had to kill be wrestling with it, stabb [00:20]
copypaste no problem :) [00:20]
mircea_popescu decimation fwiw, he's entirely nuts on that score. [00:21]
mircea_popescu yes neanderthals hunted. this was accomplished principally by outrunning smallish game. a sort of a dodo bird, some early antelope etc. [00:21]
decimation you don't think they killed a giant auroch by hand [00:21]
trinque "endurance hunting" was the thing right? [00:21]
mircea_popescu they surely did occasionally. neanderthals are kinda like monkeys. [00:22]
mircea_popescu but it was not, i would guess, above 10% of energetic input. prolly safe to say 1% or less. [00:22]
decimation well, if the practice continued into roman times, I wouldn't want to face some dude who wrested an auroch and won [00:22]
mircea_popescu decimation the derpy european bear (small, brown guy, about 4 foot tall standing) is to this day (or rather, the 1800s) an informal "absolute top of young male physical ability" [00:23]
mircea_popescu ie, 1 kid in 100 COULD wrestle one. [00:24]
mircea_popescu but the bear is playful. nobody is fucking wrestling a bull solo. [00:24]
mircea_popescu and especially not 50k eyars ago auroch. [00:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125641 @ 0.00026789 = 33.658 BTC [+] {4} [00:24]
decimation yeah it does seem rather dubious [00:25]
mircea_popescu it was a group effort, iof/when it happened, and oportunistic [00:25]
decimation also why not just spear/trap/arrow or whatever [00:25]
mircea_popescu (wounded animal, etc) [00:25]
mircea_popescu because they didn't have them or know how to use them. [00:25]
mircea_popescu understand : people of year 52015 will say "humans had internet" sure, they did. so ? [00:25]
mircea_popescu 99% of population uses internet exploder. [00:26]
mircea_popescu just because there's proof sylex spears were used by ns does not mean a superarmy of drilled regiments of standard-uniformed neanderthals. [00:26]
decimation that's a good point, but it seems that a deadfall is pretty obvious [00:27]
decimation or a pit with pointy sticks [00:27]
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mircea_popescu you think animals are stupid ? [00:27]
mircea_popescu go hunt sometime. [00:28]
mircea_popescu you think a pit large enough to host a bull is trivial ? go fucking dig out a regulation latrine with a shard of dinner plate! [00:28]
mircea_popescu (or calculate the caloric value of the bull and the caloric expenditure of the dig) [00:28]
decimation ^ that's a good point [00:29]
decimation although an auroch would feed a tribe for awhile [00:29]
asciilifeform same while as feeds 1 [00:30]
mircea_popescu no. rich meat is 3-4 calories / gram. a one ton bull made of no bones is worth 3-4Mcal tops. [00:30]
asciilifeform (meat sans preservation, 'parallelizes' but not 'serializes') [00:30]
scoopbot_revived The issue of exponents in RSA http://trilema.com/2015/the-issue-of-exponents-in-rsa/ [00:30]
mircea_popescu yeah, asciilifeform has a point. eat it that day or lose it [00:31]
mircea_popescu (not to derpy bacteria. to jackals. they band together.) [00:31]
decimation yeah but pit can be reused [00:33]
mircea_popescu trinque yes, that's the word. and we know it is the fact of the matter from say the kidneys. [00:33]
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mircea_popescu decimation again, animals are not stupid. it will identify your trap even when fresh. let alone when it stinks of death. [00:33]
mircea_popescu !up hondapiston [00:33]
-assbot- You voiced hondapiston for 30 minutes. [00:33]
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hondapiston Hello :D [00:33]
mircea_popescu hi. who're you ? [00:33]
* asciilifeform mutters 'meowmix' [00:34]
hondapiston Michelle [00:34]
decimation are you a socialist? [00:34]
hondapiston No [00:34]
decimation me imagines another 1000 log-lines [00:34]
mircea_popescu aite. [00:34]
hondapiston Are you? [00:35]
decimation nope [00:35]
mircea_popescu decimation she wasn't a socialist, she was a northernsystemalist. stop arguing about your imaginary political systems that don't exist! [00:35]
hondapiston Why not [00:35]
decimation heh [00:35]
hondapiston Good night [00:36]
mircea_popescu ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding [00:36]
hondapiston What [00:36]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140388 < note that her 'Nordic system' is simply derpy marxism that was recycled through the us as 'progressivism' and then indoctrinated by harvard circa 1945 [00:36]
assbot Logged on 20-05-2015 14:32:14; mircea_popescu: instead of parading them naked through the streets with a "i was a fucktard and am now sorry" thing around their neck, they let them sit around for twenty years coming up with reasons as to how their idiocy "wasn't really all that bad". [00:36]
hondapiston !s meowmix [00:37]
assbot 42 results for 'meowmix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix [00:37]
mircea_popescu decimation nah, it's local brew. [00:37]
hondapiston I am meowmix [00:37]
decimation lol asciilifeform has it [00:37]
asciilifeform have i ever failed at meowmix, l0l [00:37]
hondapiston Quiet me [00:37]
trinque is "meowmix" #b-a's "anon" ? [00:37]
mircea_popescu basically, the east germans came up with a rationalization of their soviet time. "we really were right. excesses were made but..." [00:37]
hondapiston Yay [00:37]
mircea_popescu trinque just some guy, i dunno. [00:37]
decimation hondapiston: no you tell me why you lurk [00:37]
asciilifeform meowmix is, i think, a script. [00:37]
mircea_popescu nowai. [00:38]
hondapiston I use 4g on my nexus 6 [00:38]
asciilifeform meowmix: if you get in wot, i will tentatively rate you. [00:38]
decimation it does reek of 'eliza' [00:38]
hondapiston Nexus 6 is the best phone [00:38]
BingoBoingo meowmix is, i think, a script. << More likely meat that fails turing test [00:38]
mircea_popescu meaf. [00:38]
decimation meowmix: is that why you are using an ipv6 address? [00:38]
mircea_popescu replacing the T for passing turing with the F for failing it. [00:38]
hondapiston I guess [00:38]
asciilifeform meowmix: if you can convincingly prove femality, a whole regiment will rate you, l0l [00:38]
mircea_popescu ^ from experience [00:38]
hondapiston Feminist's are stupid [00:39]
decimation so are people who inappropriately use apostrophes [00:39]
mircea_popescu i dunno man... they made me a sammich... [00:39]
hondapiston I hate feminists but most of all i hate homosexuals [00:39]
decimation meowmix, something draws you to this channel [00:39]
mircea_popescu how about the crab people ? [00:39]
trinque talk like crab! act like peo-ple! [00:40]
hondapiston Fuck homosexuals [00:40]
asciilifeform i would love to know what meowmix is, and who made it. [00:40]
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trinque *walk, shit [00:40]
mircea_popescu doesn't that mean you LOVE them ? [00:40]
asciilifeform meowmix: droid, state your purpose. [00:40]
hondapiston Peace out i work at a guess statoon [00:40]
hondapiston Gas [00:40]
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asciilifeform eh. [00:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe it's vexual. [00:40]
asciilifeform the antipodal vexual. [00:40]
decimation at least vexual kinda makes sense sometimes [00:41]
mircea_popescu mexual, vexual's evil twin [00:41]
decimation and uses more than 10 syllables [00:41]
mircea_popescu together, they form [00:41]
felipelalli !rate AdrianoOliveira 3 "Known in Brazilian community, and now I'm proud to see he on #b-a." [00:41]
mircea_popescu THE COLOR MAUVE [00:41]
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felipelalli !rate AdrianoOliveira 3 "Known in Brazilian community, and now I'm proud to see he on #b-a." [00:41]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli quotes not rly necessary. [00:41]
BingoBoingo meowmix seems to consistently come from near danielpbarron's neck of the woods. Perhaps an ex? [00:42]
felipelalli !rate AdrianoOliveira 3 "Known in Brazilian community, and now I'm proud to see he on #b-a." [00:42]
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trinque strange the guy has a compulsion to come here, but mostly emits word salad [00:43]
mircea_popescu he prolly goes everywhere [00:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141047 << and all of them, WITHOUT EXCEPTION insist they have some "one twu way" idiotic system. [00:43]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 02:22:08; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140385 < free herring is nice, but plenty of other places have free herring/oil/usg favors [00:43]
mircea_popescu from saudi arabia to lybia, israel, pick it. [00:44]
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asciilifeform trinque: i've entertained the thought that it is one of the ill-fated philippinos going off the reservation [00:44]
mircea_popescu it is the nature of human stupidity to ascertain positive outcomes to personal merit and negative outcomes to environmental hostility. [00:44]
decimation BingoBoingo: did you use a tool to find his ipv6 address assignment pool? [00:44]
mircea_popescu it's always the same iirc. [00:44]
BingoBoingo decimation: Nah, I just remember from when his phone carrier still had v4's to give him [00:45]
BingoBoingo Or her [00:45]
trinque asciilifeform: I'm not aware of it [00:45]
BingoBoingo or Xor [00:45]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah that's a good point [00:45]
decimation even the us thinks that its political system is responsible for having vast natural resources/destroying the world twice [00:45]
mircea_popescu yep [00:45]
asciilifeform trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2015#1003223 << them. [00:46]
assbot Logged on 02-02-2015 23:04:03; mircea_popescu: it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms. [00:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform doesn't seem all that likely but who knows. [00:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141052 <<< ahahaha [00:46]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 02:24:43; jurov: decimation: they are already in germany building nordic system [00:46]
trinque asciilifeform: huh, astroturfing meatfarms? [00:47]
trinque what a shitty life [00:47]
BingoBoingo trinque: They are a thing, welcome to glabalization [00:47]
asciilifeform trinque: aha. and now imagine if one of the slaves were to get bored and start playing with his console in unsanctioned ways [00:48]
asciilifeform drooling all over keyboard [00:48]
BingoBoingo All the gab you want at bargain prices [00:48]
felipelalli AdrianoOliveira: welcome! First Brazilian I see here. [00:48]
mircea_popescu trinque better than callcenter / myfreecams / wow gold baby. [00:48]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli did you manage to rate him in the end ? [00:48]
asciilifeform https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg << obligatory [00:48]
trinque seen that, hilarious [00:49]
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asciilifeform trinque: yeah it's a #b-a classic [00:49]
* mircea_popescu personally knows ex-slavegirl trainee. failed out of slavedom bootcamp, is now working callcenter. what most meat does irl, the world over. [00:49]
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BingoBoingo !up felipelalli [00:50]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: generally speaking - what does 'failing' mean there ? [00:50]
asciilifeform similar to washing out of army ? [00:50]
mircea_popescu exactly what you'd expect. not actually being good enough. ayup [00:50]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: I didn't know. Thanks for the pro tip. [00:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141073 << eh, random people ended up with some dust dunno what to do with it. try amassing 1k, or even 10 btc and see what you have to pay. [00:51]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 02:36:17; AdrianoOliveira: decimation: at least for the Brazilian market I can confirm that... today's volume at local exchanges was about 280 BTC and I got a user offering me 140 out of exchanges [00:51]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141102 << excelent example, if more wer eneeded, that soft consensus aka fecal matter. [00:56]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 02:48:29; decimation: I remember the haters all complaining that bitcoin was 'not stable' [00:56]
mircea_popescu the idea that "the people" should have a voice is not unlike the notion that cows should design their own barns. [00:56]
* mircea_popescu imagines a cow designed barn... walls of hay, roof of salt rock... [00:57]
asciilifeform if cows could speak, they might very well tell us that they believe themselves to have invented barns [00:57]
asciilifeform and designed the particular example they happen to inhabit. [00:57]
mircea_popescu and fucked napoleon's mother. [00:57]
asciilifeform ..., etc. aha. [00:57]
decimation ^ and designed the nordic system [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140900 @ 0.00027579 = 38.8588 BTC [+] {2} [00:58]
trinque watching the phuctor story unfold as a bystander, it really opens ones eyes to the... call it participatory nature of a totalitarian system [00:58]
mircea_popescu aha. quite exactly. [00:58]
mircea_popescu the gestapo, is not pointed out enough, consisted of a small office with a few bureaucrats overwhelmed by citizen reports irl, [00:59]
asciilifeform anyone recall vaclav havel's grocer ? [00:59]
trinque makes total sense. [00:59]
mircea_popescu and a HUGE hallucination in those citizens minds. [00:59]
asciilifeform precisely same thing [00:59]
asciilifeform http://vaclavhavel.cz/showtrans.php?cat=eseje&val=2_aj_eseje.html&typ=HTML << see section III [00:59]
trinque ty [01:00]
mircea_popescu havel definitely good read on this topic. [01:01]
asciilifeform ' It offers human beings the illusion of an identity, of dignity, and of morality while making it easier for them to part with them.' [01:01]
mircea_popescu intelligent, educated fellow with direct access to the thing and a deep interest in documenting it. one rarely gets better. [01:01]
* asciilifeform recommends whole thing [01:01]
mircea_popescu and imo better than mr s, on account of no particular literary ambitions [01:02]
trinque "He does it because these things must be done if one is to get along in life." << this must be entirely automatic [01:02]
trinque the obedience mechanism, whatever that is [01:02]
asciilifeform trinque: see also orwell's 'duckspeak' [01:02]
mircea_popescu !s itself at the center [01:03]
assbot 0 results for 'itself at the center' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=itself+at+the+center [01:03]
mircea_popescu eh no wai. [01:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998181 [01:03]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 05:50:13; mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center, [01:03]
mircea_popescu there we go [01:03]
decimation asciilifeform: is this havel guy kinda like a czech Solzhenitsyn? [01:04]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is why idiot rawls and his "veil of ignorance" is so important for the "nordic system" ie, socialism re-emergent. it's not the direct pseudo-ethics it derps around with that's the core there. it's the proposition, unwarranted and offensive, that people have no more substance than replaceable parts, and that their connections in the graph do not exist. [01:05]
mircea_popescu THIS is what that bullshit is selling, under a guise. [01:05]
asciilifeform archaeologists tell us about, e.g., ancient minoan 'palace economies' where -everybody- had to go to the central cloth dispensary to get woven cloth where gurlz toiled in the weaving hall. but those who sat in the palaces may have pictured themselves at the 'stellar apex' but had nothing on modern idiotron. minoans did not, afaik, have to go to the palace to get fucked. [01:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform babylonians did, really. [01:06]
mircea_popescu hence all the prostitution cults. [01:06]
trinque only part I don't know about is whether this is a sort of inauthentic behavior on the part of the shopkeeper [01:06]
trinque seems obedience is a fine thing if the directions given to it are any good [01:06]
mircea_popescu trinque the socialist state is necessarily intellectually vacuous [01:07]
mircea_popescu for this reason it can never be any good [01:07]
asciilifeform trinque: not unlike the difference between car speeding along on a clean road, and engine on fire. in both cases, petrol combusts [01:07]
mircea_popescu (and it's necessarily vacuous for the reason discussed in "the problem of ideal systems") [01:07]
decimation yeah but as trinque pointed out earlier, the socialist state has the advantage of 'cheap coordination' [01:07]
mircea_popescu at the cost of necessary futility, yes. [01:08]
decimation it's really easy to sell the idea that the state will save you [01:08]
mircea_popescu "you can either buy this thing which works, or this thing which is free." "but does it work ?" "no." [01:08]
mircea_popescu the choice is then settled by... whether you can afford the first. [01:08]
mircea_popescu because if you can't, you ain't buying it. and if you ain't buying it, might as well take the 2nd. [01:08]
decimation ^ which is why fiat currency is so wrapped up in the socialist megastate [01:09]
decimation because it jams the markets with crazy nonsense [01:09]
asciilifeform i used to wonder whether the 'rawlsian ignorance' folks might -actually- believe in reincarnation. like hindu [01:10]
asciilifeform then realized that hindu, who believes in it, behaves very differently from 'rawlsians' [01:10]
BingoBoingo Facebook commenters, worse than tumblrinas [01:10]
trinque my thought was that the average person has always been this semi-mindless imitator, quite human to try to tend towards the middle, whatever that may be [01:10]
trinque a sort of swarming behavior [01:10]
trinque and that this historically would've been swarming around a command structure [01:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would say they believe in... descuamation. [01:11]
mircea_popescu specifically, actual life is too much of a burden, so they wish to be... well killed, basically. [01:11]
asciilifeform iirc orwell had one of these [01:11]
asciilifeform 'short of death, the ultimate relinquishment of responsibility' [01:11]
mircea_popescu aha [01:11]
mircea_popescu see, the hindu psychological driver is coping with harsh environment. so that models the person one way. [01:12]
asciilifeform but specifically the 'you, yes you, -could- be a leprous beggar!' thing [01:12]
asciilifeform it only makes sense in a hindu-style cosmography [01:12]
mircea_popescu the western rapemeats' driver is on the contrary : look how much i should have achieved and how utterly i have failed at all of it. [01:12]
mircea_popescu depression incumbent then is resolved as a "yes but my REAL SELF has not come yet" [01:12]
mircea_popescu at which point the fantasy of magical body exchanges is, like the armchair generalship of you know, running mpex from the forum, a very natural escape. [01:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47946 @ 0.00028011 = 13.4302 BTC [+] [01:13]
asciilifeform the fantasy, like magnet, has opposite pole of 'body exchange hell' as well as heaven [01:13]
asciilifeform where believer is invited to picture himself as blind from birth street urchin etc [01:13]
mircea_popescu but you see, the idea being, that if they had no body AT ALL... they wouldn't have failed. [01:13]
trinque asciilifeform: this seems to be the victim culture thing [01:14]
mircea_popescu next best thing to no body at all being, a vague body which "might have been" [01:14]
asciilifeform the adventures of the human wavefunction, aha [01:14]
trinque I had a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today [01:14]
trinque s/today$// [01:14]
decimation nah, I think the western statism is simple Christianity without god - 'god is dead, it's up to us to build heaven on earth' [01:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, i suspect a large number of the rapemeat, aka sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin sexually abused on a constant basis. [01:15]
mircea_popescu because IN THAT CONTEXT, they would be heroes [01:15]
trinque decimation: yup, this HR department morality thing is *so* protestant [01:15]
mircea_popescu worthy of their own pity. [01:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: after christianity (and possibly mithraism before it) pushed this notion as far as the pedal would go, for 2k yrs, big surprise ? [01:16]
mircea_popescu no surprise at all [01:16]
mircea_popescu i think it's necessary. hegelhistory. [01:16]
asciilifeform sorta like forest fire is necessary. [01:16]
mircea_popescu quite. [01:16]
mircea_popescu forest fire is a necessary outcome of drought. [01:17]
mircea_popescu in a land which had biomass growth pedal to the floor. [01:17]
decimation in the western us, the most dangerous forest fires happen after lots of rain [01:17]
trinque and entirely absent any social structure beyond dysfunctional families [01:17]
decimation the verdant landscape suddenly dries and goes poof [01:17]
mircea_popescu decimation how does that work ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu oh, like a week after ? [01:18]
decimation well, dry spells immediately following wet spells [01:18]
decimation more like the next season [01:18]
mircea_popescu yeah. [01:18]
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BingoBoingo I had a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today << I dunno why trans would label their opposition cis- because when talking isomers... transgeometric isomers tend to be poisonous, or at least less supporting of continued life than cis isomers. [01:19]
mircea_popescu irony is wasted on the stupid. [01:19]
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BingoBoingo I kinda figure normal ordinary responsible people should refocus the conversation on dext vs. levo rotary. dext (normal) rotary amphetamine feels good man. levo just induces stress reactions and nihilism. [01:21]
BingoBoingo Lafonde guy is pretty good for the current events http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2409&pr=0 [01:22]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo personally, i find the aggitation of marginal women which i'd never fuck or empower anyway about how things should be very entertaining. [01:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin... pet sayeth - summarized: 'more complicated than this. by and large, they diagnose themselves with imagined disabilities and enjoy wearing magic disability mantle.' [01:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ayup. [01:23]
mircea_popescu manifestation, imo. [01:23]
mircea_popescu why's that girl not in here anyway ? not like ben_vulpes' gonna steal her away with his magic tango skillz... [01:23]
decimation I guess she blew her wad on 2000 lines or whatever [01:23]
asciilifeform can't be arsed. [01:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But the people pushing the trans/cis thing largely aren't women. They are some large women and some men who have modified their sex to a null state. [01:23]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo whether they're women or not is not up to them. gender is something allocated to one. by, in this case, me. [01:24]
BingoBoingo can't be arsed. << I can see why you get along. [01:24]
asciilifeform aha. [01:24]
asciilifeform iirc kakobrekla has one of these also. [01:24]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo whether they're women or not is not up to them. gender is something allocated to one. by, in this case, me. << I see this. [01:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: From what I understand kakobrekla and lampelina sleep in shifts. [01:25]
asciilifeform gender is something allocated to one << sure. declare a lump of earth 'fork' [01:25]
asciilifeform has forkness assigned. [01:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what else do you suppose ru prison pederasty is if not allocated womanhood [01:26]
asciilifeform aha. [01:26]
* trinque wonders if there's such a thing as reproductive suicide, biologically speaking [01:26]
decimation 'time for yer turn in the barrel' [01:26]
BingoBoingo trinque: Menopause? [01:26]
trinque someone's too full of plastic or what have you, and suddenly they're transfluid-hyperqueer [01:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: though, to be fair, it is 'mined' rather than synthesized ab initio. mined by selecting folks with some inclination pre-existing [01:26]
trinque the psychology of some of these people just says "couldn't pull the trigger, didn't even have a gun" [01:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the thousand dollar whore joke ? [01:27]
asciilifeform hm? [01:27]
BingoBoingo lol [01:28]
mircea_popescu guy goes into mining town with a thousand dollars in gold. [01:28]
mircea_popescu straight to largest brothel. "i want a girl" [01:28]
mircea_popescu sure, be twenty, or an ounce. [01:28]
* BingoBoingo suspects asciilifeform told this one [01:28]
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mircea_popescu no. i want a 1000 dollar girl. [01:28]
mircea_popescu sorry man... [01:28]
mircea_popescu he does this for a while, eventually a less scrupulous owner takes his thousand [01:28]
mircea_popescu girl in room "hello baby, where do you want to put it ? my ass ? my ..." [01:29]
mircea_popescu "shut up bitch. for a thousand dollars i make my own holes." [01:29]
BingoBoingo !s make my own holes [01:30]
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asciilifeform l0lz [01:30]
BingoBoingo Oh twas mp who told it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#501993 [01:30]
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trinque I have no issue whatsoever with homosexuality... this thing though where what... the actual reproducing members of the species must die? [01:31]
mircea_popescu trinque it IS an in joke. [01:32]
trinque that's a very particular reckless suicidality [01:32]
BingoBoingo http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/5/18/whites-behaving-badly [01:32]
mircea_popescu you're taking it literally. [01:32]
trinque lol, oh, I am missing nuance? [01:32]
mircea_popescu two. [01:32]
asciilifeform trinque: are you familiar with j. b. calhoun's 'mouse utopia' ? [01:32]
asciilifeform http://www.physicsoflife.pl/dict/calhoun%27s_experiment.html [01:32]
mircea_popescu trinque you familiar with the concepts of jews and forced memes ? [01:32]
trinque no [01:33]
mircea_popescu lurkmoar :D [01:33]
trinque asciilifeform: and yes [01:33]
trinque "beautiful ones" and so on? [01:33]
trinque that's exactly what it seems like, some biological mechanism going off due to stress or who knows what [01:33]
trinque !s jews forced memes [01:34]
assbot 0 results for 'jews forced memes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jews+forced+memes [01:34]
trinque :'( [01:34]
BingoBoingo trinque: Homosexuality is a thing. A number of people do it with a strong irreplacable preferance and given the roster that includes turing it isn't a thing to demonize. [01:34]
asciilifeform http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php << moar pics. [01:34]
asciilifeform 'Mice found themselves born into a world that was more crowded every day, and there were far more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against, males found it difficult and stressful to defend their territory, so they abandoned the activity. Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated [01:34]
trinque BingoBoingo: I'm not demonizing it at all, even waffled sufficiently to indicate this :D [01:34]
asciilifeform in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, [01:34]
asciilifeform a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection. Elsewhere, cannibalism, pansexualism, and violence became endemic. Mouse society had collapsed.' [01:34]
trinque but there's a specific blend of queer and self-destructive I've met enough times to know it's a thing [01:35]
mircea_popescu trinque the jew part i really can't explain. but a forced meme is what cancerous fags do when they try to create a meme. which is EXACTLY like what idiot kids do when they "create exchange", but exactly. ignorance so ignorant it doesn't grok why it's being ignorant but thinks itself clever. [01:35]
BingoBoingo Like anything else in the postmodern era... the fandom that attaches is... [01:35]
mircea_popescu now, the "kill men" bla bla is exactly this : a forced jew meme for that particular subculture. [01:35]
trinque ah yeah, that makes sense [01:35]
cazalla omg channel is full of.. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lon8fsN34w1qdhrwbo1_500.jpg [01:35]
mircea_popescu trinque so your original interpretation is not unlike saying 4chan is antisemitic. [01:36]
trinque it's a fair point [01:36]
mircea_popescu it'ds not even wrong. [01:36]
trinque yours I mean [01:36]
trinque cazalla: ahahaha [01:37]
BingoBoingo Oh, looks like /btc/ fell of of 8ch [01:40]
mircea_popescu onoes [01:41]
decimation from my point of view the whole 'gay rights' thing looks to be about bossing around whitey who cowers in learned helplessness [01:41]
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trinque it does, the in-group signaling thing makes a lot of sense too though, and furthermore that things you can only say in your in-group are the best signals [01:43]
decimation that at trying to immanentize the eschaton [01:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Still there, just not poplar enough [01:44]
BingoBoingo Need moar http://www.thujagardens.com/LombardyPoplar.html [01:44]
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BingoBoingo But not really Lombary Poplars suck. Grow too fast, insufficient trunk strength, gets blown over on the first strong wind. And if it doesn't blow over dies at 30 anyways because fuck you. [01:46]
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decimation yeah poplars are shit wood [01:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is an excellent model for the reddit/tumblr/etc failure modes. [01:47]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo poplars are the hitchiker whore of trees. cheap, available and ineffectual. [01:47]
decimation note that the failure mode with the mice isn't too little information - it's too much [01:47]
mircea_popescu " more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against" << that's the hot core of failure. [01:48]
asciilifeform decimation: failure mode - as with most mechanisms under the sun - is from operation outside of envelope. [01:48]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I dunno hitchiker whores can make it to 40 and become settled whores unless they roll a Ted Bundy [01:49]
mircea_popescu i guess there's that. [01:49]
BingoBoingo And poplars too have a purpose. If you are otherwise broke, have rain, and really want firewood for next winter... [01:50]
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BingoBoingo It's just... really hard to trust a tree that struggles to live twice as long as a dog [01:52]
decimation http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/nicholas_vincen.html < "The myth, even as early as the 12th century, that the English are freeborn people--it's a load of nonsense; they come from Troy; they are the exiles from ancient Troy defeated by the Greeks: they go off and they found this kingdom of England from which they eventually get a king called Arthur. But they are a freedom-loving people. They live under liberty and freedom. Of [01:52]
decimation english 'liberty' as founded in the magna carta is just repeating asperations until they become true [01:53]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: hard to trust a tree that struggles to live twice as long as a dog << brings up a point re: another tree. in ru, folks traditionally are fascinated with the huge birch forests. but consider, birch is a short-lived 'pioneer species' [01:54]
asciilifeform it lives where earth was disrupted, destroyed [01:54]
asciilifeform where - typically - pasture was left fallow [01:54]
asciilifeform on account of famine, war, plague [01:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There's a couple of older birch trees near here. Exceptional because... don't look much like the other birches. [01:55]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: as a boy, i took a 1200km train ride. nothing but birch. [01:56]
BingoBoingo My biggest annoyance at this phase of the summer's landscaping gigs is actually hickory. Lives forever, quality wood... but... The squirrels plant it. It lays low for a couple years and then zoom towards the heavens. [01:57]
BingoBoingo And because squirrels plant it before cats eat them for winter sustenance, squirrels plant them in the worst places [01:58]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: looked rather like this: http://poselok1928.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/112.jpg [01:58]
asciilifeform as far as eye can see. [01:58]
BingoBoingo That is pretty beautiful. Probably will be for another decade or two [01:58]
decimation I'm a sucker for a large stately sycamore tree [02:01]
BingoBoingo decimation: sycamore is even choice wood for some applications. Also low on litter and grows big. [02:03]
decimation yeah, butcher blocks [02:05]
BingoBoingo Also countertops, just fuck it. Granite bleeds radon and marble stains. Just install block and sand, then replace in a decade. [02:06]
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* asciilifeform wonders what old-fashioned headsman's chopping blocks were made of [02:07]
BingoBoingo Even birch is useful if you want to build a brownwater vessel [02:07]
decimation eh, for countertops use quartz [02:07]
BingoBoingo But poplar is only useful for filing insurance claims and watching your fuel wood burn too fast. [02:07]
BingoBoingo decimation: porous, loses to red wine [02:07]
asciilifeform wai wat [02:08]
asciilifeform no. [02:08]
asciilifeform quartz porous ?! [02:08]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I thought they braced behind the chop [02:08]
asciilifeform no more porous than your house windows [02:08]
asciilifeform or light bulb [02:08]
BingoBoingo http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2703805/white-quartz-countertops-and-staining [02:09]
asciilifeform even glass - stains [02:09]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If ideal quartz were marketed for this purpose no staining [02:09]
asciilifeform not perfectly smooth, aha. but not porous [02:09]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: braced behind the chop << old-school chopping blocks did not have 'chin rests' but were something like butcher blocks [02:10]
decimation I never heard of quartz staining [02:10]
BingoBoingo Oh, but countertop quartz, are you expecting a single piece? Most nao are chip and epoxy abominations unless you beat the greek (stone people are almost always greek) appropriately [02:11]
decimation yeah, it's got epoxy [02:11]
decimation also it takes no maintenace and looks nice [02:11]
decimation actually if you want functionality - stainless steel [02:12]
decimation easy to clean, antibacterial [02:12]
BingoBoingo ;;google chromium poisoning [02:13]
gribble Chromium Toxicity Clinical Assessment - History, Signs and Symptoms: ; Chromium toxicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; chromium poisoning - chromium related illness - injured by chromium: [02:13]
decimation oh good lord [02:13]
decimation how much chromium you gonna pick up from a stainless pot? [02:13]
BingoBoingo However much is on the surface [02:13]
BingoBoingo Wear items are expendable [02:16]
BingoBoingo And engineering is an art of compromises [02:17]
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BingoBoingo Oh, and reddit is downs agan [02:21]
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mircea_popescu troy ?! wtf. [03:16]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#comment-114287 << achtung asciilifeform [03:17]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think he prefers the salutation "panzer" when so hailed [03:22]
mircea_popescu panzer asciilifeform [03:23]
BingoBoingo So, as of a few hours ago this laptop is nao on its 4th cooling fan. [03:24]
mircea_popescu hot stuff [03:26]
BingoBoingo Seriously. Demanded fans every ~14-16 months on nigbuntu and nao wants to move to a 6 month schedule on OpenBSD [03:28]
BingoBoingo I blame Bitcoin [03:28]
BingoBoingo in a good way [03:28]
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mircea_popescu quartz chips under the blade if not epoxied [03:37]
BingoBoingo It does. And if epoxied it not only chips, but tunnels. Too brittle [03:38]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell gabriel_laddel The more time I spend with nonegenarians the kinder dementia pugilistica sounds [03:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:58]
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mircea_popescu http://netsledov.ru/issledovateli-bezopasnosti-vzlomali-4096-bitnye-rsa-kluchi/ moar ru. apparently they really like alf. [04:03]
BingoBoingo alf is one of them [04:04]
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BingoBoingo alf is more Russian than them prolly [04:06]
BingoBoingo Best I can guess alf is cold war relic Yeltsin was too drunk to deactivate and Putin found too cute to turn off [04:09]
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mircea_popescu mike_c "легальные резиденты" my ratting comment @ the_scourge ? lol [04:29]
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BingoBoingo So, "Guardians of the Galaxy" least unbelievable of the Disney/Marvel movies [04:40]
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BingoBoingo !up gabriel_laddel [05:13]
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gabriel_laddel Oh hell yeah [05:13]
gabriel_laddel ty [05:13]
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BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Sometimes other senses fail first [05:16]
gabriel_laddel https://plus.google.com/photos/101394835895920000944/albums/5938074007124872641/5938073881911435698?pid=5938073881911435698&oid=101394835895920000944 [05:16]
gabriel_laddel ^ see the first comment on the photo [05:16]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NOncx2jU0Q << Why they're trying to replicate the human hand/arm exactly idk [05:17]
gabriel_laddel one could do *much* better quite easily. [05:18]
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BingoBoingo Eh, the rougher part is people with the grey and white matter in tact with the senses failing [05:18]
gabriel_laddel Hey if you want to die, I'm not here to stop you. [05:19]
mircea_popescu how goes gabriel_laddel [05:19]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: finished an (interactive) Architectural tour of Masamune. [05:20]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: need to find a box to hack the install proc on [05:20]
mircea_popescu o hey. [05:20]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: if you know someone in the SF Bay area who would throw me a computer, that would be tight. [05:21]
gabriel_laddel I'm putting off messaging a friend atm [05:21]
gabriel_laddel also, I'm broke, otherwise I'd just buy one. [05:21]
mircea_popescu can't say as i do... [05:22]
mircea_popescu but listen, if you're broke is thsi sort of grand architectural commitment the bestest policy ? [05:22]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I've been broke for like a year now [05:22]
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mircea_popescu "i've had cancer for like a year now". good for you but eventually it'll kill ya. [05:23]
gabriel_laddel So... you remember the tide usd vs. usd usd discussion? [05:23]
mircea_popescu yeh [05:23]
gabriel_laddel I'll be fine [05:23]
mircea_popescu aite. [05:23]
gabriel_laddel The only reason I do what I do is.. for the money [05:23]
mircea_popescu masamoney ? [05:24]
gabriel_laddel yea [05:24]
mircea_popescu you wanna run me through that again ? [05:24]
gabriel_laddel which part. [05:24]
gabriel_laddel trinque: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/master/introduction.lisp [05:25]
gabriel_laddel trinque: So I see you like CLIM [05:25]
mircea_popescu the money part. [05:25]
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mircea_popescu im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to [05:26]
mircea_popescu ;;; communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. [05:26]
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assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=gabriel_laddel | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gabriel_laddel/ [05:29]
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gabriel_laddel I've been broke for like a year, working on that which interests me so that I can make large sums of money rather than the 70-100k/yr you get programming. Also, money is just a system for communicating ideas about value - if one has value it can be turned into money and vice versa. [05:30]
gabriel_laddel Masamune is going to make someone a lot of $ [05:30]
gabriel_laddel ask trinque how much better CLIM is than anything else on Earth [05:30]
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gabriel_laddel gavmatic gernika Ginux GNULinuxGuy gribble Guest23240 Guest84681______ guruvan [05:32]
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mircea_popescu are you in like a public library in guatemala or something [05:32]
gabriel_laddel at home with an unpaid AT&T bill [05:32]
gabriel_laddel which is seriously fucking up my ability to speak atm [05:33]
gabriel_laddel they block various websites, but not all the time? [05:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74050 @ 0.00025612 = 18.9657 BTC [-] [05:34]
gabriel_laddel I can get on duckduckgo, but not google, but can get on google+? [05:34]
gabriel_laddel Idk [05:34]
mircea_popescu okay so... how;s this oging to pay your internets bill ? [05:35]
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mircea_popescu america's top&trolls lol [05:35]
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gabriel_laddel it isn't [05:35]
gabriel_laddel I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me. [05:35]
mircea_popescu as in, urmom ? [05:36]
gabriel_laddel nah [05:36]
gabriel_laddel just people I've met since moving to Cali [05:36]
mircea_popescu anyway. so how did you come up with the 20 figure ? [05:36]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: sorry, 20? [05:37]
mircea_popescu see, this is the golden rule of magic numbers : if you use one and then need context to indentify it, you've misused a magic number. [05:37]
mircea_popescu medium sized organizations (1-20 persons). [05:37]
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mircea_popescu nuts. [05:38]
gabriel_laddel yeah [05:38]
gabriel_laddel After ~20 people you lose the ability for everyone to know everyone else. [05:38]
gabriel_laddel you can't convince 30 people who don't know lisp to use it. [05:39]
mircea_popescu that's called dunbar's number and is ~100 not ~20 [05:39]
mircea_popescu unless you're retarded [05:39]
gabriel_laddel well, a software development team has different dynamics [05:39]
mircea_popescu how have you established this ? [05:39]
gabriel_laddel working on a software development team [05:39]
mircea_popescu one ? [05:40]
gabriel_laddel two [05:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 216250 @ 0.00025438 = 55.0097 BTC [-] {3} [05:40]
mircea_popescu nuts. [05:40]
gabriel_laddel The 20 number isn't a hard limit by any means, and I suppose I should change it because I pulled it out of my arse. [05:40]
mircea_popescu exactly. [05:40]
mircea_popescu "From this point forward it is assumed you have set aside some time to learn Masamune and need no justification for as to why any particular abstraction has been chosen." << so is this a cult then ? [05:40]
gabriel_laddel Nah, justification is available, I just don't want it cluttering the presentation. [05:41]
mircea_popescu that is a very different statement from the statement you're actually making. [05:41]
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gabriel_laddel :/ I don't immediately see how that is, but OK. [05:42]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Is the argentine legal system as derpy as the rest of the country? [05:43]
mircea_popescu no, it's much worse. [05:44]
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mircea_popescu "HotSlut22" #P"/root/quicklisp/local-projects/masamune/images/hot-slut22-avatar.png"))) o.O [05:46]
gabriel_laddel Yup. [05:46]
gabriel_laddel I needed an avatar for an example WoT program and dipped into the xxx folder [05:47]
mircea_popescu github is so fucking retarded [05:49]
gabriel_laddel as is git [05:49]
mircea_popescu "Contributions in the last year". what the FUCK does this mean. [05:49]
mircea_popescu "i dunno man, i just like counting" [05:49]
gabriel_laddel haha [05:49]
mircea_popescu here's a count of the items i've been counting : 833 [05:49]
mircea_popescu now divide it by 7 and make a graph! [05:50]
gabriel_laddel Graphs are the future yo [05:50]
mircea_popescu fake meaningless numbers processed as if they weren't. fucking fiat mindrot [05:50]
gabriel_laddel Data visualization will save the seas of failed "college students".... or so they hope. [05:50]
mircea_popescu this user has produced 77 productions and consumed 52 consumptions. 991 users approve. [05:51]
mircea_popescu politicomathsocioscience 101 for the new generation : let there be user A who has 43 positive meaningless ticks and 22 negative meaningless ticks ; and user B who has 12 PMT and 17 NMT. who would win in a fight between homer simpson and a himalayan sherpa ? [05:52]
mircea_popescu a : user B, because his PMT are cars, whereas user A's PMTs are empty cherio wrappers. [05:52]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: if you've got some spare time on your hands, (Mc)CLIM is neato [05:53]
mircea_popescu im testing eulora atm. [05:54]
mircea_popescu "how many lcd screens do you get by adding seven oranges to a bucket of water ?" "8" [05:55]
gabriel_laddel I didn't know the eurola crafting system was so advanced [05:56]
mircea_popescu >1k items o.O [05:56]
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BingoBoingo that's called dunbar's number and is ~100 not ~20 << See how Dunbar's number works is you can know 150 people, harass 1500 people, but only count on at most 15 to follow instructions [06:01]
mircea_popescu it gets complicated. [06:01]
BingoBoingo Indeed [06:01]
BingoBoingo White people had a big gunfight in Texas over the weekend without civilian casualties and now everyone derps about big bad biker gangs [06:03]
BingoBoingo Poplar discourse is stupid [06:03]
gabriel_laddel Isn't Texas in a standoff with the Federal gov. atm? [06:04]
BingoBoingo That actually might be over or ongoing. [06:04]
BingoBoingo Weekend's drama was apparently biker gang splinter group was being confronted by their sponsors and likely DEA agent ran over some dude's toes, then hemophilia [06:05]
BingoBoingo Just assuming DEA, because gunfight... [06:08]
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gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-04-2015#1097710 << If I take different 3 buckets of paint and mix them into a homogeneous color is the system more or less ordered? [06:10]
assbot Logged on 11-04-2015 20:39:18; mircea_popescu: africa is actually, at least from what i've observed, extremely ordered. [06:10]
gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-04-2015#1097619 << Thanks, that sentence was wrong. I was attempting to say was "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax short a full parser+printer". This is an extremely important point, addressed by Erik in his perl treatise: [06:10]
assbot Logged on 11-04-2015 19:58:13; ben_vulpes: "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax (detect false positives short a full parser)" << this strikes me as a special case of the "cannot simulate a universe without a universe" claim. [06:10]
gabriel_laddel http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3163193555464012@naggum.no.html http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3142145710427254@naggum.no.html [06:10]
BingoBoingo Depends on the strength of your microscope [06:11]
Apocalyptic ;;later tell asciilifeform re pgpdump it actually displays details of HPA's invalid subkey, but for some reason doesn't print the associated keyid even once so my grep missed it [06:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:14]
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gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 << I'm not envisioning a great new wave of lisp on UNIX. Most people, when they use software, never question foundational abstractions. I can hack lisp, but cannot hack the myriad "dodo languages" UNIX is written in (and retain my sanity). If people are going to be writing code it should be in [06:16]
gabriel_laddel CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste. Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p [06:16]
gabriel_laddel romptly forget about it. Actual people don't forget the experience of using something interesting (see your own hypercard post). I want them to be absolutely fucking incensed when they encounter windows or the like. Also, I love being able to kill/yank text in the browser + Emacs + CLIM. Also, money. [06:16]
assbot Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other. [06:16]
gabriel_laddel trinque: is that like when gabriel_laddel reads loper-os then screams about lisp at everyone? << After using CLIM, do you feel like screaming at people? [06:18]
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gabriel_laddel 03:55:16 mircea_popescu: or for that matter, predict the next one, so you know where not to go o.O << Cincinnati [06:19]
mircea_popescu i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. [06:20]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I'd argue with you, but it'll be less labor intensive to just wait until you use it (or even a select codebase like CLIM) [06:24]
gabriel_laddel everything will "click" [06:24]
gabriel_laddel and you'll say something similar to trinque "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life" [06:25]
gabriel_laddel at least, this is my prediction [06:25]
mircea_popescu well, i don't code much, so it's unlikely to make much difference to me. but in any case, this is how a good joke goes, or a good book. good books don't make much money. [06:26]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: if you had Eurola shipped in 1/2 the time this would matter to you, no? [06:27]
mircea_popescu notrly. the sticking point atm is the art and my game design, not the code. [06:27]
mircea_popescu i'd be pretty pissy if it was waiting on code. [06:28]
mircea_popescu but w/e, im a bad example. suppose for someone it matters, and it saves them 10 billion pula. [06:31]
mircea_popescu so they install it and run it, and that's that. [06:31]
mircea_popescu how do you capture a fraction of the 10 bn pula ? [06:31]
gabriel_laddel I took an early demo (long before I discovered CLIM) to large company X, demonstrated all the information I could collect, that I could write lessons integrated into the whole desktop environment. This company has the sneaking suspicion that people sort of dick around during the onboarding process and there is a huge variation in how long people ta [06:32]
gabriel_laddel ke to complete it. Via Masamune it is possible to find out what these people are doing, optimize confusing paths etc. [06:32]
gabriel_laddel I plan to write custom (source included) extensions for select parteners [06:33]
gabriel_laddel eventually, if possible sell a 3D 'CLIM' [06:34]
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mircea_popescu so rhel basically [06:35]
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mircea_popescu aka, art (in the "what is art" on trilema sense - work for the lord). [06:35]
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mircea_popescu well... hopefully you have an artist's stomach [06:37]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: exactly [06:38]
mircea_popescu who knew computing will spawn its own minstrelsy [06:39]
gabriel_laddel lol [06:39]
mircea_popescu (historically this is the EXACT contribution of the artist to the world, your "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life" or as jourdain put it, "i had no idea i was talking in prose".) [06:39]
gabriel_laddel Mathematica makes money, people say the exact same things about their software "I have lived in a...", but their product is braindamaged. [06:41]
mircea_popescu mathematica only makes money because it's braindamaged imo [06:42]
gabriel_laddel do explain [06:42]
mircea_popescu not causation, but unbreakable correlation [06:42]
mircea_popescu ie, you can't have the things that make it make money without the causes of the braindamage [06:43]
gabriel_laddel Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money - their products were not braindamaged. [06:43]
mircea_popescu you might be misinformed. [06:44]
mircea_popescu they failed for purely sales reasons. [06:44]
gabriel_laddel Yep. [06:44]
mircea_popescu so no, they didn't make money [06:44]
gabriel_laddel The real question is - how much did they spend on real estate in CA? [06:44]
mircea_popescu ok, that also [06:44]
mircea_popescu idiots. [06:44]
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gabriel_laddel Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time. [06:46]
gabriel_laddel it doesn't exist. [06:46]
mircea_popescu i thought you had bills in arrears. how would you pay a 10k bill ? [06:46]
gabriel_laddel I've not always been broke [06:47]
gabriel_laddel I just happen to be atm [06:47]
mircea_popescu so you would have, rather than would ? [06:47]
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gabriel_laddel if sane computing existed I would (update and then) send out my resume [06:47]
mircea_popescu provided, of course, they let you work on it only [06:48]
gabriel_laddel not at all [06:48]
gabriel_laddel I'd happily work at pretty much anything to make money for a sane computer. [06:48]
mircea_popescu so imagine it exists and they don't let you work on it oh oh oh i see. [06:48]
mircea_popescu so imagine it exists and it costs the money you have + 1. [06:48]
gabriel_laddel yeah? [06:49]
mircea_popescu i think for the record most capitalists work on this concept [06:49]
gabriel_laddel ^ this is my impression [06:49]
mircea_popescu "the world sucks, and id pay any sum for one that didn't. well... suppose it exists and it costs what i have +1 ... best get to work then" [06:49]
gabriel_laddel That sentence is somewhat confusing. [06:50]
mircea_popescu which part ? [06:50]
gabriel_laddel "that didn't. well... suppose it exists and costs what I have +1" [06:50]
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gabriel_laddel My position is simply that I can be broke and work on what I want to work on without being terribly inconvenienced [06:51]
mircea_popescu 1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for a world that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly that world doesn't exist ; 4. but the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for the money he has + 1 [06:51]
mircea_popescu so 5. he goes to work, makes more money. this of course scales up the price. [06:51]
mircea_popescu so he spends his life chasing the world that doesn't suck, a dollar at a time. [06:52]
gabriel_laddel Hmm.. I think 4 should be "the capitalist simply presumes it *will* exist" [06:52]
mircea_popescu why? [06:52]
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gabriel_laddel If it doesn't exist, and other people want it - go make and sell it. [06:52]
mircea_popescu he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. [06:53]
mircea_popescu in any case, this approach illuminates the fundamentally pessimistic outlook of the socialist. [06:53]
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mircea_popescu (which is why "does" not "will" - the bourgeois has no adherence to metaphysics.) [06:54]
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gabriel_laddel "he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. " << I don't understand how this follows [06:57]
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gabriel_laddel This model is bizzare. So if I'm a capitalist I should make money to purchase that which does not exist? [06:59]
gabriel_laddel admittedly, you can hire people [06:59]
gabriel_laddel but in this particular situation, who? [06:59]
gabriel_laddel I'd end up having to type for them, and at that point, wtf I'll just do it myself [07:00]
gabriel_laddel Though I'll note the "chasing a better world a dollar at a time" makes a great deal of sense, unless one lives in the peculiar bezzle-buck nightmare we currently inhabit. [07:04]
gabriel_laddel story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again. [07:08]
gabriel_laddel alright, goodnight. [07:08]
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mircea_popescu if you're a capitalist everything exists [07:18]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. << I didn't see this prior to our conversation, courtesy of not paying my bills. This is actually the crux of it, so let's revisit. You've publicly stated something to th [08:50]
gabriel_laddel e effect of "linux devs are idiots and I'd like a judiciously defaulted gentoo please". The question is, at what point does this become something that you (or others ben_vulpes, mod6, asciilifeform etc have already wasted time derping with gentoo) would pay for? People pay for (what they see as) quality software - sublime text makes money, as does [08:50]
gabriel_laddel Intellij. The problem with these (ALGOL based) businesses is that their organizations ossify because of the sheer number of people that must get involved in any sort of "automation of programming". This is inescapable if you choose to use ALGOL. I realize that this isn't a result you believe exists, but reality doesn't care. Aside from software dev [08:50]
gabriel_laddel s, industrial chemists, architects, research physicists etc would like to have a plug-and-play solution for going about their work. There is money to be made here. Afaik the only way to get there is: 1. revert to paper 2. teach *everyone* what an AST is, choose a language, add AST traversal mechanisms and write *everything* in it (this will continu [08:50]
gabriel_laddel ally burn some of Earth's brighter minds, someone needs to think about the gnarly parser semantics when the language's syntax is updated - my experience is that you can't pay people to care) 3. use lisp. People have already tried 1 & 2, and the result is inevitably that even if they make money (Mathematica, Microsoft, Oracle...) the foundations of [08:50]
gabriel_laddel shit catch up with them and we end up where we are today - nothing works and everyone insists that it does because they've bought into a lie. As for "is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise", thank you, will update. [08:50]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: if you're a capitalist everything exists << this makes no sense to me. [08:50]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple. << I'm almost insulted. [08:50]
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mircea_popescu lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. [08:52]
mircea_popescu the problem with your theory is exactly that : it's a theory. life on earth is emergent pattern in chaos, not sensible arrangement. [08:53]
chetty or chaos emerging from a pattern [08:54]
mircea_popescu hehe [08:54]
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mircea_popescu now, the reason the quote is factually incorrect is pure godel. what you imagine as "simple" is only simple because you're using an unsimple language. otherwise, if you face the problem directly, it's very complex. [08:55]
mircea_popescu moreover, and this is the important part, it's a poor premise because only idiots start their stuff with "most people" [08:55]
mircea_popescu forget most people. you've not even made something and are already blunting it ? make it be good first, most people after. [08:56]
chetty no such thing as 'most people' [08:56]
mircea_popescu and as to "if you're a capitalist everything exists" - it's a subtle point, but in order for one to be a capitalist, the requisite premise is "that which is is and necesarily is, and that which is not is not and necessarily is not", ie, parmenides. [08:57]
mircea_popescu so no, for a capitalist it is eminently impossible for something to not be and then come into being. [08:57]
mircea_popescu only discoveries. no inventions. [08:57]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. << I think she'd actually evict me, then decry that there were homeless programmers. [08:58]
gabriel_laddel I'm not a socialist in anycase, I support my own being evicted. [08:59]
gabriel_laddel I just happen to enjoy reading. [08:59]
mircea_popescu you know womenz can be fiercely loyal in spite of their better knowledge. [09:00]
mircea_popescu generally, it doesn't work out for them [09:01]
gabriel_laddel Heh, women tend to not be loyal to me. [09:01]
mircea_popescu now why would that be [09:01]
gabriel_laddel my experience suggests that one must fuck them for this to be the case. [09:01]
gabriel_laddel only discoveries. no inventions. << Okay, this makes sense - but someone must discover. [09:02]
mircea_popescu yeah. children. [09:02]
mircea_popescu the historical utility of children for human society is that they are more than happy to stick random things in their mouth. [09:02]
gabriel_laddel !s is a child [09:02]
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mircea_popescu they were used as exploration drones, basically. see what fruit is poisonous etc. [09:02]
gabriel_laddel This is basically my current utility afaik [09:04]
mircea_popescu apparently. [09:04]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu got it [09:46]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141568 << that thing is copy-pasted all over ru spamosphere, with scarcely any variation, and no mention whatsoever of the updates. [09:49]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 06:59:12; mircea_popescu: http://netsledov.ru/issledovateli-bezopasnosti-vzlomali-4096-bitnye-rsa-kluchi/ moar ru. apparently they really like alf. [09:49]
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asciilifeform and speaking of which, the paulgrahamian blackout against the story is nearly total. [09:52]
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asciilifeform entirely absent from the peanut gallery, and voted down into oblivion in the particular spots where i personally tried to insert it. [09:52]
asciilifeform (the update, that is) [09:53]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141789 << somehow suspected this. [09:54]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 10:04:19; gabriel_laddel: story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again. [09:54]
* asciilifeform wonders how many he led into perdition [09:54]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141741 << complicated. see below [09:55]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 09:39:50; gabriel_laddel: Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money - their products were not braindamaged. [09:55]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141745 << smbx spent a fortune on r&d. they tried to amortize this cost any way they could, but nothing worked - other than peddling golden toilets to usg and subsidiaries. when political fortunes changes - it was over. [09:56]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 09:40:23; mircea_popescu: so no, they didn't make money [09:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. of course. when caught lying... freeze. [09:57]
asciilifeform so yes, they made neat things, no, they didn't figure out how to pay for it. and no one was ever able to repeat because this has not changed - no one today can afford the necessary degree of non-retardation. [09:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it works for them, no ? [09:58]
mircea_popescu no. [09:58]
asciilifeform the buggers are, likely, very busy atm - preparing their 'we did it before' [09:58]
mircea_popescu it didn't work for karpeles, it didn't work for lawsky, it ain't gonna work for graham, or for anyone else. [09:58]
mircea_popescu it only works when "everyone". there's no everyone. [09:59]
* asciilifeform looks forward to the demolition of graham et al [09:59]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141750 << him and six other folks. others just want to play 'solitaire' apparently. [10:00]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 09:42:27; gabriel_laddel: Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time. [10:00]
asciilifeform ;;later tell gabriel_laddel: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. [10:01]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141772 << the interesting thing is the blindness of this stereotypical character to items which -could- exist but cannot be brought into existence through traditional methods - planning, hiring, management. ergo items which could exist if you gave $raggedlispdervish a bathtub of benjies no-strings, do not and cannot exist because this is rather like asking $capitalist to stick hi [10:06]
asciilifeform s cock in dulap. [10:06]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 09:47:10; mircea_popescu: 1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for a world that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly that world doesn't exist ; 4. but the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for the money he has + 1 [10:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do i recall correctly that at some point they squandered a mn or so on some dumbass real estate deal ? [10:07]
mircea_popescu symbolics that is [10:07]
asciilifeform they did! [10:07]
mircea_popescu aha. [10:07]
mircea_popescu engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. [10:07]
asciilifeform and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. [10:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my argument is that if smbx had -not- sucked at management, we would not be talking about their products today. [10:08]
asciilifeform they would've sold unix boxes. [10:08]
asciilifeform like sun et al [10:08]
mircea_popescu eh, alt-history. who knows. [10:08]
mircea_popescu im not familiar enough with the text & its context to call it [10:09]
asciilifeform sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. [10:09]
asciilifeform -also- sold unique machine (you needed a smbx lispmach to run it, in fact, as front-end) but -also- comically mismanaged and squandered most of its dough on french chefs, etc. [10:09]
asciilifeform i do not believe the correlation to be pure accident here [10:09]
mircea_popescu i am more familiar with games market 20 years later by a long shot. [10:10]
mircea_popescu this scenario played itself there numerous times : people with great ideas sucked at business. [10:10]
mircea_popescu however, because > 100 tries, rather than the 3-4 you see in os market, [10:11]
mircea_popescu there WERE cases which'd have been the "Competent symbolics that didn't do unix" [10:11]
mircea_popescu like... maybe 3. [10:11]
asciilifeform i'm not certain this is an accident. folks who are good at business, know better than to try selling lisp to mass market [10:11]
mircea_popescu you understand good games are a lot more elitist than good os right ? [10:12]
asciilifeform possibly [10:12]
mircea_popescu because os has at least theoretically utility. [10:12]
asciilifeform but game is also much cheaper on the expenditure side of things [10:12]
mircea_popescu nobody plays a game because "i hate it but whatever, it works" [10:12]
asciilifeform l0l [10:12]
mircea_popescu yes, it is, which is how we got 100 tries rather than 3. [10:13]
asciilifeform 'farmville' ? [10:13]
mircea_popescu however, that doesn't matter - how cheap it is in absolute terms. whether you have 100 outfits each owing 1mn or 5 outfits each owing 20mn [10:13]
asciilifeform (hated but played. or those ipad casinos from last night's thread) [10:13]
mircea_popescu i would say this is not hate but pretend-hate. [10:13]
mircea_popescu like feminists "hating" men [10:13]
* asciilifeform can see how this might be [10:13]
asciilifeform incidentally, symbolics was not managed by engineers. it was managed by business expert types who were mislead by engineers into believing that the cost of the research could be amortized via 'honest work.' the lisp machine vendor which -was- managed by engineers into a very early grave, was lmi corp. [10:15]
asciilifeform (yes, the one in rms's tales) [10:16]
mircea_popescu so it ... WAS managed by engineers. [10:16]
mircea_popescu engineer-bitch topping from the bottom still counts. [10:16]
asciilifeform i suppose it does! [10:16]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the fascinating case of fred quimby ? [10:17]
asciilifeform not afaik [10:17]
mircea_popescu ok, this will be enlightening. [10:17]
mircea_popescu you ARE deeply, intimately touched by his work [10:18]
mircea_popescu because fred quimby is the man that made cartoons be a meme. tom and jerry, loony tunes, all of it. [10:18]
mircea_popescu cartoons exist in your mental universe because fred quimby lived at some point. [10:18]
mircea_popescu now this man... he was a sales manager. hired away iirc from walmart, or some such, to run an animation studio. [10:18]
mircea_popescu which he ran exactly like a fish market. opressing the ever-so-creative creative ppls, and famously lacking any sort of a sense of humour [10:19]
mircea_popescu or even any interest in the subject of his profession. [10:19]
mircea_popescu then, after decades, and NINE oscars, ie, his weight in fucking gold, he retired. [10:19]
mircea_popescu the studio was taken over by the jenius creative minds in questions. you probably also know their names, because they are intricately connected to the absolute worst shit animation ever saw. [10:20]
asciilifeform possibly on account of not being a deep scholar of this subject, i dare to guess that it was a 'balance of power' thing. [10:20]
mircea_popescu the jetsons. scooby doo. take your pick [10:20]
mircea_popescu wacky fucking races. [10:20]
mircea_popescu if there was ever a bad cartoon, hanna & barbera made it. [10:20]
mircea_popescu and then went bankrupt. [10:20]
mircea_popescu twice [10:20]
mircea_popescu and never got an oscar ever again. [10:20]
asciilifeform the artists had enough pull to avoid being steamrollered by fishmonger. fishmonger had sufficient balls to avoid being steamrollered by artists. [10:21]
mircea_popescu western animation would languish until someone signed mr spiel to do 100`000 movies a year. [10:21]
mircea_popescu possibru. [10:21]
asciilifeform this existed elsewhere - various u.s. chemical and misc. r&d corps of the '40-60s come to mind [10:21]
mircea_popescu indeed. [10:21]
asciilifeform in other news, the buggers know no bounds, http://www.networkworld.com/article/2925215/security0/new-protocol-from-guardtime-hopes-to-unseat-rsa-for-authentication-digital-signatures.html [10:26]
asciilifeform 'consider this excellent snake oil to replace tired old rsa' aha. [10:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the amusing tactical implication here is that well... they actually would have loved to say rsa is bad. [10:26]
asciilifeform naturally. [10:26]
mircea_popescu it's like... that's where the entire "mp is a troll" thing came from. [10:26]
asciilifeform hence the immediate angle of 'omg1111!!!111!11 rsa broke' [10:26]
mircea_popescu shit fucking hurt, "you seriously mean he makes us choose between this and that ?!?!" [10:27]
mircea_popescu i must admit i had a lot of fun with it. [10:27]
asciilifeform http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/689 << what they actually did. think 'deedbot' but since bitcoin never existed on their planet, they demand crippled computers with super seekrit drm cpu. [10:28]
asciilifeform on planet usg, it is always 1992 [10:29]
asciilifeform sorta like poor old schmuck with dementia is always whatever his age of last controlled bowel movement, mentally [10:29]
asciilifeform (or imagines) [10:29]
mircea_popescu too bad so sad etc [10:30]
asciilifeform 'Like Bitcoin, Black Lantern uses an open-ledger system in which derived hash-value trees are maintained by Guardtime in order to monitor for changes. In the case of Bitcoin the values represent transactions; in the case of Guardtime, it’s the hashed signatures of the assets being tracked.' << tr0l0l0l [10:30]
mircea_popescu lol [10:31]
mircea_popescu BLACK LANTERN dude!!1 [10:32]
mircea_popescu like a black hawk crashed into green lantern. [10:32]
mircea_popescu fucktards, these people. [10:32]
asciilifeform well-funded fucktards. [10:32]
mircea_popescu yeah. the sorta-fat, cowardly, euglena-scented kid everyone beat the shit out of in school. [10:33]
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asciilifeform euglena? the microbe ? [10:34]
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mircea_popescu protist, yeah [10:34]
mircea_popescu ;;google "cu miros de euglene" [10:34]
gribble MO-Piftel Cenzurat de Darius Iurca - YouTube: ; Galben de metil - Wikipedia: ; Murray Rothbard - Wikipedia: [10:34]
mircea_popescu romanian is expressive what can i tell ya. [10:34]
asciilifeform l0l [10:34]
davout ;;ticker --market buttfinex [10:35]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.38, Best ask: 235.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 235.46, 24 hour volume: 12953.63746798, 24 hour low: 233.2, 24 hour high: 236.5, 24 hour vwap: None [10:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: expect a great many of these 'will unseat rsa' idiocies. [10:35]
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mircea_popescu well now that it's broken... [10:36]
* asciilifeform sorta surprised they didn't push the 'broken' narrative further [10:36]
mircea_popescu what, and crown us ? [10:37]
mircea_popescu nah, it's gotta be 2nd pass, with the usual vague baked in [10:37]
mircea_popescu "recent advances" bla bla [10:37]
asciilifeform ... and peddle some 'lantern' replacement idiocy, why wouldn't they [10:37]
mircea_popescu the other half is pushing for simply outlawing it, so. [10:38]
mircea_popescu as you say, balance [10:38]
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asciilifeform the 'soft power' weasels tend to eat the 'hard power' shoot'em-all types. [10:39]
asciilifeform just as the 'make plebes stupid & pliant' folks ate the 'pinkerton' pour la canaille - la mitraille types. [10:40]
mircea_popescu myeah [10:40]
asciilifeform (see limonov for mega-exploration of this) [10:40]
asciilifeform not much balance, really. eventually everything softens into the soft fecal matter (tm) of 'soft power' [10:42]
asciilifeform hence how the '90s 'crypto wars' ended with 'crypto is usg-legal but you can't buy an actual computer' thing [10:42]
mircea_popescu the idea is to avoid splashing [10:42]
asciilifeform splashing? [10:46]
mircea_popescu yes. as the us turns into shit, the balancing act consists in avoiding splashing [10:47]
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* asciilifeform is marvelling at the totality and cleanliness of the blackout. virtually no traces of The List anywhere. [10:55]
asciilifeform anywhere public, that is [10:55]
asciilifeform http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aeLkbmNdBooJ:forum.piratenpartei.de/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D222843&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1 <<< grenzenlosnaiv ? [10:57]
asciilifeform https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=A50591247C8E37A64117B74F78AB527059E13694 << just the 2 of us. [10:59]
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asciilifeform https://twitter.com/grenzenlosnaiv << possible candidate, german, 'pirate party' [11:00]
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wyrdmantis Goodmorning/goodnight [11:17]
wyrdmantis breaking http://bitstein.org/notebook/ben-lawsky-has-defected-to-bitcoin/ [11:17]
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asciilifeform wyrdmantis: disingenuous headline. bureaucrats do this faux switcheroo all the fucking time. [11:19]
wyrdmantis ;bc,stats [11:19]
asciilifeform but they are only ever on one 'side.' [11:19]
wyrdmantis ;;bc,stats [11:19]
gribble Current Blocks: 357427 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1420 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48731864673.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.15494 [11:19]
wyrdmantis so is neither bad nor good news? [11:20]
asciilifeform wyrdmantis: about as interesting as a burglar getting out of jail to work at an alarm company [11:20]
asciilifeform (which he will eventually rob) [11:20]
wyrdmantis asciilifeform: i see, it's hilarious [11:21]
asciilifeform the inevitable question which comes to mind is - why should we give a damn about this particular burglar? what world records of theft, or even of daring, did he break? [11:22]
asciilifeform as far as i can tell, he's just another larcenous piece of shit [11:22]
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bitstein asciilifeform: good points. I posted it mostly as a reaction to the knee-jerk reddit response getting all butthurt that he would do such a thing. Of course, indifference may be the best response. [11:30]
asciilifeform bitstein: the best reaction to bureaucrats is the centuries-old formula popularized by solzhenitsyn - 'не верь не бойся не проси' ('don't believe'em, don't fear'em, don't ask [anything] of them' [11:32]
asciilifeform ) [11:32]
bitstein That's great. [11:33]
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chetty http://www.thedailysheeple.com/cops-who-flash-banged-infant-are-blaming-the-baby_052015 [11:37]
asciilifeform chetty: gestapo could have entered a picture of mickey mouse as a defense. and will win [11:42]
asciilifeform chetty: because their having to even file a defense is a mere formality. what, you imagine that court will say 'gestapo can no longer throw grenade before entering suspect house' ? [11:42]
asciilifeform picture if the judge were to find for the plaintiff [11:43]
chetty indeed [11:43]
asciilifeform quite likely the response would be something like andrew jackson's 'marshall has made his verdict, now let him enforce it.' [11:43]
asciilifeform (worcester v georgia) [11:44]
asciilifeform 'entering a room is always done in pairs. first mr. grenade, then - you.' (ru, apocryphal) [11:45]
mircea_popescu as far as i can tell, he's just another larcenous piece of shit << well, he's one of the first crop of derpy bureaucrats who thought they;'re gonna leverage the fiat state into a position of bitcoin power in a hostile manner. [11:46]
mircea_popescu he was defeated. no big whoop, for anyone except them. [11:46]
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williamdunne chetty: Is that satire? [11:52]
chetty well I recall the incident about the kid getting hurt a while back, not so sure about the court case [11:54]
williamdunne Sure no I know about the baby I just meant their response [11:57]
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chetty well I guess one would have to go read the actual court documents to be sure [12:01]
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mircea_popescu trinque check it out, deedbot joined the evil side ? [12:18]
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s7r samO SamouraiWallet scoopbot_revived shesek SirJacket so starsoccer stoon STRML [12:28]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu, chetty: looks genuine. http://www.scribd.com/doc/265760507/Flash-Bang-Reply [12:28]
mircea_popescu eh by now the us police's got to this point where a) they're dumb enough to crash into each other and b) when it happens they'll write the wind a ticket for reckless endangerment. [12:29]
chetty asciilifeform, well that is certainly proof we have passed thru the looking glass, if anyone needed proof [12:30]
asciilifeform chetty: vestigial things, no longer having a logical reason to exist, tend to get trimmed down and eventually disappear. like cavalry sabres. in this case - the pretense of 'law' [12:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a) they're dumb enough to crash into each other << recall last year's shootout featuring solely police ? [12:32]
mircea_popescu no ? [12:32]
asciilifeform (iirc on two opposite sides of an obstacle, parked cars) [12:32]
mircea_popescu my dementia progresses unabated [12:32]
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lobbes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133388 << lmao. Idk why this cracks me up so much [12:58]
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davout News, views, & RABBITZ [12:59]
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mircea_popescu "Autobiography is only to be trusted when it reveals something disgraceful. A man who gives a good account of himself is probably lying, since any life when viewed from the inside is simply a series of defeats. However, even the most flagrantly dishonest book (Frank Harris's autobiographical writings are an example) can without intending it give a true picture of its author. Dali's recently published LIFE comes under t [13:03]
mircea_popescu his heading. Some of the incidents in it are flatly incredible, others have been rearranged and romanticised, and not merely the humiliation but the persistent ORDINARINESS of everyday life has been cut out. Dali is even by his own diagnosis narcissistic, and his autobiography is simply a strip-tease act conducted in pink limelight. But as a record of fantasy, of the perversion of instinct that has been made possible b [13:03]
mircea_popescu y the machine age, it has great value." [13:03]
mircea_popescu one wonders what orwell would have thought of twitter. [13:03]
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scoopbot_revived There's no progress without control. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/21/theres-no-progress-without-control/ [14:01]
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davout fluffypony: i'm in ur meetup, stealing mozilla's wifi [14:51]
davout first speech is quite derpy [14:55]
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somethingsomethi thanks daniel [15:01]
danielpbarron you are darksoul from gfy? [15:01]
somethingsomethi no [15:01]
somethingsomethi whos darksoul [15:02]
danielpbarron someone who shares your IP, - [15:02]
somethingsomethi clicked a link [15:02]
somethingsomethi thats probably why [15:02]
danielpbarron what's up, you like bitcoin or what? [15:02]
somethingsomethi interested [15:02]
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ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu msg ack'd. mega-l0l! [15:12]
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trinque gabriel_laddel | story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. << don't ever do this; if you can't make money doing it, you're not the guy to do it. [15:14]
trinque "I can get us to Mars! It will only take more than any of us have." [15:15]
trinque if you're taking us to the damned promised land, better be able to complete the journey [15:15]
trinque you may at best go work for the guy who can [15:15]
trinque after he beats the word "waste" into your skull [15:16]
ascii_field trinque: i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this- [15:16]
trinque I don't believe that. [15:17]
trinque or on the other hand, if the only route to mars is starvation, maybe we've got no business aiming for mars just yet [15:19]
trinque ascii_field: my observation working for a few brilliant guys is that the unwillingness to break the grand vision into chewable pieces results in failure [15:20]
trinque jurov: I am saying that if you think your problem is above economics, you're wrong. [15:21]
trinque that said things like cardano look like chewable pieces to me [15:22]
trinque what does their clarity get me? [15:23]
trinque how does this relate? [15:23]
trinque its as if someone's laying bricks one by one, and the guy with the vision for the road says "NO, YOU MUST LAY THEM ALL AT ONCE!" [15:24]
trinque example, our "end user programming environment" (bastard son of spreadsheet) would've made a fine for-profit database editor [15:24]
trinque every other product in its space is garbage [15:25]
trinque but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! [15:25]
trinque actually better example than one road, a highway system [15:26]
trinque connecting two cities is useful even if the whole system isn't done. [15:26]
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trinque heh, CLIM! [15:29]
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trinque I'll take a look [15:31]
trinque http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/ << ? [15:31]
trinque and then whatever convo this brought about [15:31]
trinque gabriel_laddel | I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me. << this fucking kid [15:32]
trinque these types if they can be managed at all have to be under the command of someone who doesn't give a shit about software as art [15:33]
ascii_field it isn't about 'art.' [15:36]
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trinque assbot: near as I can tell this masamune is going to make gabriel_laddel rich because it "has" value [15:41]
trinque guy's never sold a thing in his life [15:41]
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trinque !up ascii_field [15:41]
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trinque and also he "has value" because people are feeding him for free? [15:41]
ascii_field trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. [15:42]
trinque absent this are the economic considerations [15:42]
trinque so if there's no path from here to there, it's not a thing [15:42]
ascii_field the path is me with 20 years of living expenses paid. or one of possibly 3 other fellas [15:43]
trinque considering it as solely an engineering endeavor, you're probably right [15:43]
trinque that's a couple million bezzlars tops [15:44]
trinque not nearly the umpteen trillion I've heard before [15:44]
ascii_field trinque: no, it's approximately this sum in -actual money- [15:44]
ascii_field which is a very different matter. [15:44]
ascii_field (though whole debate is about whether we ought to fly to alpha centauri or proxima centauri. neither is on the table) [15:45]
trinque ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production? [15:48]
trinque because considering that I don't see how we disagree [15:48]
ascii_field trinque: not related [15:48]
trinque just sounds like you're not thinking like a business about that [15:48]
ascii_field cardano is made of off-the-shelf parts. [15:49]
trinque I'm not talking about the hardware [15:49]
trinque er I mean, the engineering of it [15:49]
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trinque but rather the logistics and cash-flow required to take on the other things [15:49]
ascii_field trinque: well, it is also deadly-practical, like a luger [15:49]
ascii_field nothing 'blue sky' about it. [15:49]
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trinque sure, and I hope you charge me a good amount of margin atop cost to own one [15:50]
trinque and perhaps other deadly practical things [15:50]
trinque being able to control hardware via gpg-o-gram remotely, suuuuper appealing [15:51]
ascii_field point is, hard to compare it with project that requires quite possibly more than one lifetime's worth of ab initio research [15:51]
ascii_field speaking of, [15:54]
ascii_field rng crate, i'm told, has shipped out. [15:54]
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trinque nice [15:55]
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trinque https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden [16:07]
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trinque https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/36ru89/just_days_left_to_kill_mass_surveillance_under/crgjx6s << check out this motherfucker recommending people smartphone apps to protect their sekurity [17:11]
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ascii_field let him sign it [17:16]
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ascii_field otherwise it's hitler talkin'. [17:16]
ascii_field (leaving aside the question of whether mr s speaks for hitler) [17:16]
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trinque who knows, but snowden TM says call your senator and install appz [17:18]
ascii_field or reddit says. [17:19]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142132 << they could've simply poisoned him then [17:23]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 19:03:42; trinque: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden [17:23]
ascii_field (or what, usg hasn't graduated from hogwarts yet and doesn't do poison?) [17:24]
trinque the whole thing is spectacle [17:29]
trinque http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/gyrocopter-pilot-indicted-on-six-counts/ << two felony counts -- one count of "operating as an airman without an airman's certificate" and another count of "violating registration requirements involving aircraft," [17:31]
trinque notably the felonies lack anything about super-top-govt airspace, those were the misdemeanors [17:32]
trinque the felonies are simply... we are defining your remote controlled toy as an aircraft [17:32]
ascii_field see also, mathias rust ( http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/the-notorious-flight-of-mathias-rust-7101888/?no-ist etc ) [17:32]
trinque oh shit, nevermind, it was carrying *him* [17:33]
trinque so his felony is being a goddamn badass that built his own gyrocopter? [17:33]
trinque they're terrified of capable people [17:33]
trinque ascii_field: incredible, I'll read it [17:35]
ascii_field http://www.usua.org/Rules/ruleandregs.htm << if his machine was under the weight limit - no license needed ? [17:35]
ascii_field (doesn't get him out of the trespassing charge, but 'flying without license') [17:35]
trinque does look like an ultralight, doesn't it? [17:35]
ascii_field aha [17:35]
trinque the thing's a chair and propeller [17:36]
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ascii_field 'In the room waited Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, who had stopped by for a photo op and was posing a challenge for officers discussing safe ways to get the prime minister out of the building if necessary.' << oh noez, poor muppet might lose a string or two [17:41]
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ascii_field incidentally, rust's flight caused the sacking of pretty much the whole of soviet air force brass. [17:44]
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ascii_field who, if anyone, will usg sack ? [17:45]
ascii_field betcha - no one. [17:45]
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ascii_field https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/GetWelcomeScreen.event << apparently this still exists. [18:14]
ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/VKDVerificationPGPCom.html << mega-l0l [18:15]
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ascii_field ahahahahahahaha. [18:19]
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trinque holy shit that's rich [18:25]
ascii_field 'The PGP Global Directory is not a replacement for the PGP Web of Trust, but an additional mechanism to provide a global foundation for the PGP Web of Trust that enables opportunistic secure communications.' [18:25]
ascii_field tr0l0l0l! [18:25]
* ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course [18:26]
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ascii_field https://twitter.com/pgpcorp << lulzy usgization [18:41]
ascii_field http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/STM/cmvp/documents/140-1/140sp/140sp1325.pdf << aaaand it was bought right after nist-ized [18:42]
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trinque !up Hasimir [18:44]
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trinque Hasimir: register a key and I'll give you a 1 to self-voice in the future [18:44]
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Hasimir cool, thanks [18:50]
Hasimir though I thought it had my key ... no matter [18:50]
ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://blog.spaf.us/post/119499216803/two-security-researchers-break-rsa-4096-bit-keys << hard to even believe. someone ought to contact the man (assuming he exists in life) and ask, if he shat this out [18:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:50]
Hasimir the sole purpose of that directory key is to provide minimal (stress minimal) proof that the entity controlling an email address approves the key as theirs, no more [18:50]
Hasimir the other key (kind of) like it is the Hushmail DEMO key [18:50]
Hasimir anyone not using hush can get their key signed by that by registering their key through the hushtools.com site and later retrieving the signed copy [18:51]
Hasimir the other reason for using that, though, is to allow hush users to encrypt to you [18:51]
trinque !gettrust Hasimir [18:52]
assbot Trust relationship from user trinque to user Hasimir: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=Hasimir | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Hasimir/ [18:52]
Hasimir which really surprises journalists [18:52]
trinque !rate Hasimir 1 new blood [18:52]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d1f2f90d631e4799 [18:52]
trinque !v assbot:trinque.rate.Hasimir.1:ee9a4ae47c1dbfa21b646a35781ef846e516c54a915fa94d0a8160270a65b2f8 [18:52]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for Hasimir with note: new blood [18:52]
Hasimir cheers :) [18:53]
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Hasimir anyway, things like the directory key and the hush key are about the same as keybase.io [18:53]
Hasimir well, keybase might be a little more useful (but would be better if it did not try to manage private keys for anyone) [18:54]
ascii_field Hasimir: idk why anyone would want to pwn it, either. ask the fine folks who made the faux key for it.. [18:55]
Hasimir well, current theory from werner is it's just a software bug [18:55]
Hasimir https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053644.html [18:55]
ascii_field Hasimir: lie, and beneath contempt. [18:55]
ascii_field Hasimir: examine the evidence for yourself. tell me it is a bug. [18:56]
Hasimir erm ... do you use gpg or something else to access openpgp functionality? [18:56]
ascii_field as, other meaning here [18:56]
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ascii_field 'About 30 key with a valid key binding but with a partly duplicated [18:57]
ascii_field subkey where both have a valid key binding signature. Most likely a software bug.' << possible [18:57]
ascii_field and aha, they are already starting with 'That reminds if of a private discussion I had last autumn. Some guy [18:57]
ascii_field downloaded most RSA keys from a keyserver and tried to factor....' [18:58]
ascii_field just as i predicted [18:58]
ascii_field shitgnomes and their 'it didn't happen. if it happened, it doesn't matter. if it matters - one of -our- people did it first, of course!' [18:58]
ascii_field 'Incidentally, I met one of the other guys with a broken subkey at [18:59]
ascii_field LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him. For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-. [18:59]
ascii_field mircea_popescu ^^^ [18:59]
Hasimir he was copied in on the email directly [18:59]
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Hasimir but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that) [19:00]
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Hasimir anyway, until the specific cause is identified, it can't be called either way [19:03]
ascii_field aaaand for some reason this only happens to interesting keys, aha [19:03]
ascii_field like debian signing key [19:03]
ascii_field and anwin [19:03]
ascii_field cosmic rays and memory corruption, apparently, can not only create valid self-sigs, but spare boring folks like you & i. [19:04]
Hasimir but what makes them interesting? just that it happened? [19:04]
Hasimir didn't spare all the boring folks [19:04]
Hasimir Charly Avital is on that list too [19:04]
Hasimir and he's a 70-year-old hobbyist [19:05]
ascii_field Hasimir: who said boring [19:05]
ascii_field what kind of hobbyist ? [19:05]
Hasimir just the local computer club kind [19:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101100 @ 0.00027177 = 27.4759 BTC [+] [19:05]
Hasimir and you said boring, like 7 lines up [19:05]
ascii_field Hasimir: you claimed that '70-year-old hobbyist' is necessarily boring [19:06]
ascii_field i - disagree. [19:06]
Hasimir oh, I see what you mean now ... so how are his keys more interesting than ours? [19:07]
trinque that would be the thing to answer [19:07]
ascii_field https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053644.html << koch claims that memory corruption can result in 1) corrupted key that is 2) has valid (!!!) signature. this is an insult to every intelligent reader and beneath contempt. [19:07]
ascii_field or perhaps he does not claim this, but passes off as plausible [19:07]
Hasimir specifically in relation to merging keys, not in general [19:07]
ascii_field he must think we are morons. [19:08]
ascii_field to even give this hypothesis the time of day, just imagine. [19:08]
ascii_field aaaaand 'we did this all, yes, believe us, we just never bothered to mention in public' [19:08]
Hasimir proving or disproving it would require merging multiple keys across a broad range of openpgp implementations and operating systems [19:08]
ascii_field Hasimir: the null hypothesis is not 'miracle happened.' this is not how it works. [19:09]
Hasimir yes, but it doesn't prove your malicious bastards theory either [19:09]
Hasimir no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd [19:10]
ascii_field Hasimir: you are asking me to believe that a large number of moduli, carefully crafted such that in mutilated form, they are factorable -and- have valid sigs, is something that could somehow happen by accident. [19:11]
ascii_field and that the presence of several 'interesting' names in the list, is also merely fortuitous. [19:11]
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ascii_field and that the burden of proof somehow lies on the reasonable, literate folks who can see, plain as daylight, that this is as likely as a bullet spontaneously materializing inside lincoln [19:12]
Hasimir Phil Zimmermann isn't on that list, neither is RMS or even a former PM of my country (and yes, it was a real key) [19:12]
ascii_field mircea_popescu is also not on list [19:12]
ascii_field what of it. [19:12]
ascii_field no one said it includes whole planet's worth of 'cool kidz' [19:12]
Hasimir there are plenty of more interesting keys to target than that list [19:12]
trinque Hasimir: now who is speculating [19:12]
ascii_field and this is supposed to be an argument in favour of miracle ??! [19:12]
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Hasimir trinque, true, but if the malicious bastards theory is the most viable answer: what is the motive? [19:13]
trinque that's not the question to ask [19:13]
trinque the question is "what do these keys have in common?" [19:13]
Hasimir what is then? [19:13]
ascii_field Hasimir: damned if i know. i - only see the bullet. [19:13]
Hasimir ah [19:13]
trinque and that isn't currently known [19:13]
ascii_field Hasimir: good number of german pirate party folks [19:14]
trinque great reason to keep digging though [19:14]
ascii_field suggests to me - BND. [19:14]
Hasimir trinque, indeed [19:14]
ascii_field (who else gives a phuck about german pirate party) [19:14]
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Hasimir ascii_field, we certainly don't, it's why we split from ppi [19:16]
Hasimir I need to script that, clearly [19:16]
ascii_field wai wat [19:16]
ascii_field who is 'we' [19:17]
Hasimir ppau [19:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99347 @ 0.00028027 = 27.844 BTC [+] [19:17]
Hasimir oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia [19:17]
ascii_field https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053648.html [19:17]
ascii_field 'Is it possible that a keyserver running the old, buggy PKS code [19:18]
ascii_field (v. 0.9.something) mangled these keys?' << are they idiots or just pretending ? [19:18]
ascii_field mangled and signed with valid sig, aha [19:18]
Hasimir it's just a question, what's the problem with asking it? [19:18]
* Hasimir waits for the penny to drop ... [19:18]
trinque "teach the controversy" tactic [19:18]
ascii_field ^^ [19:19]
Hasimir hardly [19:19]
Hasimir I can assure you that post in particular is from someone who just wants to know the answer [19:19]
trinque on the one hand, how something functions, on the other, what someone intends [19:20]
ascii_field someone who, charitable interpretation is, did not take even five minutes to think. [19:20]
ascii_field 'perhaps the bullet was always in lincoln, from birth' [19:20]
trinque the vast majority of responses I've seen to this are of the "not worth looking into" variety [19:20]
ascii_field 'perhaps it fell from the moon' [19:20]
trinque not "this is why this is bullshit" [19:20]
Hasimir jurov, it can't, but if the sig was already there, but other data got mangled, it might account for some things [19:21]
trinque if a factored subkey has a sig from the master key wtf [19:22]
Hasimir the lack of data indicating cipher prefs on a key [19:22]
ascii_field and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED [19:22]
ascii_field motherfuckers [19:22]
trinque I'm an idiot and I understand that much [19:22]
Hasimir such as in the case of the key dignork and I discussed earlier [19:22]
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trinque !up ascii_field [19:24]
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ascii_field ty trinque. [19:24]
Hasimir no idea [19:24]
ascii_field and we are to believe that this happens by accident, with no other bits flipped. ever. [19:24]
Hasimir I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy [19:25]
ascii_field incidentally, i just walked the totality of sks db looking for -all- rsa keys with pub-exponents equal to 281479271743489. [19:26]
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ascii_field they are -all- in the set from the heuristic published on mircea_popescu's www. [19:26]
Hasimir the weird pattern thing? [19:26]
ascii_field Hasimir: yes. you can write a proggy to create this type of key from any rsa pubkey you like. [19:26]
Hasimir jurov, not so, if that were the case I wouldn't be here discussing it [19:26]
ascii_field aaactually [19:27]
ascii_field Hasimir: please realize that so far you are setting off every possible alarm in my head, 'disinfo agent' [19:27]
trinque incidentally I don't recall anyone here making specific claims about who is behind this [19:27]
ascii_field Hasimir: also realize that we are talking about an experiment which -any- interested reader, at this point, could replicate. [19:27]
ascii_field data is public. the code, largely - also public. [19:28]
Hasimir trinque, except for the BND ... [19:28]
ascii_field BND is just a random guess of mine at present, based on the de pirate party thing [19:28]
Hasimir ok [19:28]
ascii_field but there are human fingerprints on it. take the 'bug' or 'cosmic ray' hypothesis to a home for retarded folks. nobody here is dumb enough to fall for it. [19:29]
ascii_field this goes for -all- the agents who read the logs. [19:29]
Hasimir alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks? [19:30]
trinque the gain may have already been had [19:30]
trinque who knows [19:30]
ascii_field Hasimir: look when it was done, and when found [19:30]
Hasimir in which case the target is on that list [19:30]
ascii_field we have a skeleton here, not fresh corpse [19:30]
Hasimir so 2010-11 [19:30]
Hasimir or so [19:30]
ascii_field Hasimir: the target is almost certainly -not- on the list [19:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00028515 = 7.8416 BTC [+] [19:31]
ascii_field it is someone who -would have written- to one or more of the folks on the list. [19:31]
Hasimir ah, of course ... [19:31]
Hasimir hrm ... [19:31]
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Hasimir so someone who already had all those keys in their keyring ... [19:32]
ascii_field Hasimir: the genuine keys, you mean ? [19:32]
Hasimir or at least all the names ... [19:32]
Hasimir yeah [19:32]
ascii_field for all we know, it is possible that on some pgp client the faux keys could replace the genuine ones if user ever 'synced' from sks [19:33]
ascii_field but this is secondary. [19:33]
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ascii_field i very much get what the agents are trying to achieve, yes. [19:36]
ascii_field a soft fecal matter consensus that 'there is nothing worth looking into here, move along' [19:36]
Hasimir I think there's something worth looking into it until an answer is confirmed [19:37]
ascii_field that's more like it. [19:38]
Hasimir you realise that's not a change of attitude, right? [19:39]
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Hasimir though logic and healthy skepticism requires questioning myself just as much, if not more so, than anyone else ... [19:40]
BingoBoingo Hasimir: You have to understand influence agents of various sorts have passed here before [19:41]
BingoBoingo !s ninjashogun [19:41]
assbot 1771 results for 'ninjashogun' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ninjashogun [19:41]
ascii_field see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 [19:42]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically [19:42]
mod6 <+ascii_field> 'Is it possible that a keyserver running the old, buggy PKS code ... << this is gotta be trolling, right?? [19:42]
trinque plausibility of the lie is what's sought, not confirming it [19:42]
Hasimir BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1 [19:42]
Hasimir so yeah, I get it [19:42]
ascii_field mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue. [19:42]
ascii_field let alone a full clue. [19:43]
trinque Hasimir: that would be an awesome thing to sign and deedbot- [19:43]
ascii_field ^ [19:43]
Hasimir trinque, it includes him trying to lure me into discussing it and me giving him armchair legal advice [19:44]
ascii_field l0l [19:44]
trinque sounds hilarious; deedbot- it! [19:44]
Hasimir it is so much funnier with knowing who packt/c0dex is ... [19:44]
Hasimir I'll have a look at this deedbot thing then ... [19:45]
ascii_field Hasimir: incidentally, zimmerman is not on the list because he is an nsa asset in good standing. the 'silent circle' and multi-coloured phones idiocies are more than ample proof of this [19:45]
ascii_field usg -has- his genuine private key when it wants to. [19:45]
ascii_field -how- he turned - i haven't a clue [19:45]
ascii_field but to classify him as a genuine person may turn out to be dangerous for one's health (assuming that one is not asset himself) [19:46]
Hasimir well, I know nsa head-hunted at least one nai employee back when they owned pgp corp [19:46]
Hasimir that was Stephen Smalley [19:46]
Hasimir as far as I'm aware he's still working for NSA [19:46]
ascii_field 'by their fruit you will know them' (TM) [19:47]
ascii_field if zimmerman isn't in the pay of usg - he oughta be sending them a bill. [19:47]
Hasimir or by their selinux mailing list in this case [19:47]
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Hasimir speaking of ancient arcane shit ... I also have a full copy of everything that the nsa had on radium.ncsc.mil prior to september 11 [19:48]
Hasimir it includes the rainbow series [19:49]
Hasimir I should probably pop that onto an s3 instance [19:49]
trinque Hasimir: deedbot records the sha256 of gpg signed messages into the bitcoin blockchain [19:50]
Hasimir trinque, oh my ... [19:50]
Hasimir trinque, and the docs are where? [19:50]
Hasimir merci [19:50]
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Hasimir it has to be clearsigned? [19:51]
trinque yeah [19:52]
Hasimir or just signed and ascii armoured? [19:52]
trinque Hasimir: like so http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-23-23-16-59.txt [19:52]
Hasimir does it look for the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" header? [19:54]
trinque yes [19:54]
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scoopbot_revived Lawsky Moves to Private Practice http://qntra.net/2015/05/lawsky-moves-to-private-practice/ [19:54]
trinque Hasimir: either that or a public key [19:54]
trinque you have to feed him your public key first, and it checks that against what assbot knows about [19:55]
Hasimir ah, that explains why it can't be done with gpg -sa (a pity, that's a great way to avoid encoding errors) [19:55]
trinque I synced over keys from assbot once, but am not running it via cron yet [19:55]
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Hasimir as in charset encoding errors [19:55]
trinque Hasimir: deedbot- has his own key in the WoT, rate him and leave feedback and I'll get to it [19:55]
Hasimir all it would take would be the same as allowing it to hash any pgp message [19:56]
Hasimir the output looks the same, but with -sa it's not encrypted, just signed [19:56]
trinque encoding hasn't been a problem yet [19:57]
trinque anyhow use it, see what works/doesn't, rate the guy [19:57]
Hasimir cool, will do [19:57]
trinque I tend to hack on it on the weekends [19:57]
Hasimir heh [19:57]
Hasimir I've got a lot of crap ... er, code like that [19:57]
trinque yup, I don't tend to stop coding, just swap which project [19:58]
Hasimir the pyme port was a weekend effort ... about a fortnight ago [19:58]
Hasimir but then I'm a fan of py3 (yes, yes, I'm a heretic too) [19:59]
trinque speaking of which [19:59]
trinque ;;later tell gabriel_laddel ok, I'm loading up masamune [19:59]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:59]
trinque fucker got me with his "3d" CLIM, whatever that means [20:00]
trinque ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://dpaste.com/017XXRK.txt [20:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:02]
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Hasimir deedbot- http://www.adversary.org/ben-key.asc [20:06]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [20:06]
Hasimir hmph [20:06]
trinque Hasimir: it has a few sites whitelisted [20:06]
trinque dpaste among them [20:06]
Hasimir ah [20:06]
trinque and needs the raw URL [20:06]
trinque .txt [20:06]
trinque deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1QCX2EW.txt [20:09]
deedbot- imported: DB4724E6FA4286C92B4E55C4321E4E2373590E5D [20:09]
trinque donk [20:09]
Hasimir beat me to it ... [20:09]
Hasimir nice little api on dpaste too ... [20:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159350 @ 0.00027277 = 43.4659 BTC [-] {3} [20:16]
Hasimir oh wow, paypal just capitulated -- I'll be back later, I've got Treasurer duties to perform [20:16]
trinque cya [20:17]
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cazalla Hasimir, from Melbourne eh? [20:27]
Hasimir cazalla, yep [20:27]
Hasimir ok, account drained, now I can relax a little ... [20:28]
cazalla to borrow from 8chan.. >>2015, still voting [20:28]
Hasimir I guess paypal take allegations of 14 counts of their breaching the electoral act seriously after all ... [20:29]
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cazalla Hasimir, what do you gain by wasting time trying to change the politics down under? [20:31]
Hasimir I wish I could've seen their internal company panic, though [20:31]
Hasimir I've got a greater chance of influencing here than in the capital of the world ... I mean America [20:32]
Hasimir granted, not a huge chance [20:32]
Hasimir but still asliver of one [20:33]
cazalla meh i gave up voting years ago, don't even bother turning up whether it's local, state or federal election.. they can pay me for my time if they're that keen for my vote [20:33]
trinque last vote I cast was for Ron Paul in 2008, lol [20:34]
trinque ...I'm done. [20:34]
cazalla trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one [20:35]
trinque compulsory voting, hilarious [20:36]
trinque bbl [20:36]
Hasimir well, technically it's compulsory getting your name ticked off, but most vote once they're there [20:36]
cazalla nah, it's not [20:37]
cazalla AEC send a please explain letter and that's the end of it [20:37]
Hasimir yeah, I missed a local council election once and got a similar thing [20:38]
Hasimir on the plus side, being more politically active than the vec makes it believable when I say I was too sick to walk to the polling station [20:39]
cazalla it's against my religious values to vote is already more than i should be required to tell them [20:39]
Hasimir that works? [20:39]
cazalla i've never had an issue with it or received a fine [20:40]
Hasimir nice [20:40]
cazalla and anyway, you don't need to vote in order to be politically active [20:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109150 @ 0.00027652 = 30.1822 BTC [+] [20:45]
Hasimir also true, but I'm addicted to the game [20:48]
Hasimir I know, I know ... [20:48]
BingoBoingo http://labphoto.tumblr.com/post/119214028699/the-best-example-that-why-do-chemists-wear-lab [20:50]
cazalla BingoBoingo, acid for blood? [20:54]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Looks like a mix of some sort didn't want to stay in its container [20:59]
mircea_popescu . [21:05]
mircea_popescu yaty gribble. lol. [21:05]
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mircea_popescu http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/89787/choose-your-own-exponents-in-rsa [21:06]
mircea_popescu apparently some people are following. [21:06]
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mircea_popescu the fact that someone would spend the time to type in a 12 paragraph, 500 word reply made out of pure banal WITHOUT BOTHERING TO READ THE ARTICLE [21:08]
mircea_popescu or to understand specifically what's being said or anything whatsoever... people must be real lonely. [21:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l, my comment is gone [21:08]
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asciilifeform or hm, nm [21:08]
asciilifeform different stackexchange [21:08]
mircea_popescu he quotes "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA.". the full quote is "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA. The point is that you don't know what exact implementation flaws the NSA is or may be relying on, and for this [21:09]
mircea_popescu reason giving as little quarter as possible is the correct policy." [21:09]
mircea_popescu why even. [21:09]
jurov mike_c this looks weird: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubsy/ [21:14]
jurov "top kek" [21:14]
mircea_popescu it's a legit user. [21:15]
jurov yes, i meant the graph mostly [21:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142070 << it's a different sort of thing to do, hence the art discussion in the original. [21:16]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 18:12:46; ascii_field: trinque: i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this- [21:16]
mike_c I'll put on the list: "make 1-1 trust graph look better" :) [21:18]
mircea_popescu mike_c incidentally it could just be a xckd-ish cartoon/joke [21:18]
mircea_popescu if you have the energy. [21:18]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142075 << haha, isn't THAT the age old question. [21:18]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 18:16:30; jurov: can one go to mars by carefully cultivating their mind? [21:18]
mircea_popescu and by the way, have any of the young eager minds here a la pete_d actually read dali's LIFE ? orwell reminds us it is certainly on the list. [21:19]
BingoBoingo Also apparently medchem has its own Unix problem http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/05/21/crappy_antibodies_available_now_and_for_the_foreseeable_future.php [21:22]
mircea_popescu it does. it would. it sucks more than bad unix. [21:23]
BingoBoingo The problem of how many of the marketed moving parts work as advertised and only as advertised. [21:24]
BingoBoingo No need to imagine if there were a dozen different versions of 'cat' because that's our situation [21:25]
mircea_popescu problem is deeper than that, and scales exponentially. [21:25]
mircea_popescu if you wish to make sure your salt is salt, spectrometric assay is cheap and purity is a matter of weighing. [21:25]
mircea_popescu if you wish to verify an -usually unstable- 28k molecule compound, spectrometric assay is impractical and purity can in principle not even be established. [21:26]
Hasimir wow, I never thought I'd discover paypal's kryptonite so quickly ... [21:27]
mircea_popescu you had ? [21:27]
BingoBoingo Indeed. All of a sudden you've got to put the stuff in a controlled solution and break out the X-Rays and magnification [21:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and by the time you're done... you know it WOULD HAVE BEEN USEFUL. but you used it up. [21:28]
mircea_popescu like the little girl that got sent to buy matches and make sure threy burn! so she came home with no matches [21:28]
BingoBoingo Of course [21:28]
mircea_popescu because she had burned them. [21:28]
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jurov sooo... http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html finally looks like it's getting somewhere [21:35]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142104 << i'm aware, and i think it's amusing, just how varied this cult is, or in other words http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138869 [21:35]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 18:38:05; ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. [21:36]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 10:15:46; justJanne: The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions. [21:36]
mircea_popescu jurov sweet. but could the repeated string Author be replaced with the nick ? [21:36]
jurov yes, it's planned [21:36]
mircea_popescu coolness [21:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do. [21:38]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production? [21:38]
mircea_popescu not terribru concerning, this disagreement. [21:38]
jurov mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone: http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated [21:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142132 << they "could have" so they "might as well have had!!1". the all-consuming four points of the book are at work in the belly of hte beast itself, disgesting its own limbs. [21:40]
mircea_popescu because... if you can you must. [21:41]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 19:03:42; trinque: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/21/nsa-plan-find-osama-bin-laden-infiltrating-medical-supply-chain/ << subtext, NSA caught Bin Laden [21:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, that reddit suggests to me we shall soon have reddit/hn/twitter/facebook/everything accounts, each and every last one of us. and we won't even have to man them :D [21:42]
mircea_popescu !s enigmail [21:43]
assbot 9 results for 'enigmail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=enigmail [21:43]
mircea_popescu mmmmkay. [21:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wai wat [21:45]
asciilifeform ah that. [21:46]
mircea_popescu AsciilifeformOfficial sez : plox use enigmail kthx bai [21:46]
asciilifeform wai where [21:46]
mircea_popescu in the future. [21:46]
asciilifeform aha. [21:46]
asciilifeform surely. [21:46]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [21:46]
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asciilifeform signed with twiddled key no less. [21:46]
mircea_popescu lol srsly. [21:46]
asciilifeform by cosmic ray (TM) [21:47]
mircea_popescu "nsa's pgp keyservers not responsible for fraud - there is a history of cosmic rays having done this before" [21:47]
jurov yes, there are atempts to use an AI to continue online activity of the deceased [21:47]
asciilifeform !s dead souls [21:47]
assbot 7 results for 'dead souls' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dead+souls [21:47]
jurov when done, will be surely extended to living [21:48]
mircea_popescu i think the point here is more along the lines of AD not AI [21:48]
mircea_popescu no further research needed. [21:48]
asciilifeform btw, all keys on sks having pub-e of 281479271743489 are 'magical.' [21:48]
asciilifeform tested today. [21:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's the cosmic ray magic number. [21:49]
asciilifeform surely. [21:49]
mircea_popescu you see chitlin, cosmic rays don't often interfere with digital computers. but when they do, they always stamp in 281479271743489. [21:49]
BingoBoingo It's God's righteous number [21:52]
BingoBoingo You jsut hafta bereave [21:52]
mircea_popescu cosmic rays come from Social Justice not from god you heathen [21:53]
asciilifeform from HumanRights (TM) [21:53]
asciilifeform phun phakt: ukrs officially rescinded HumanRights (TM) (R) in ua! just the other day [21:54]
mircea_popescu orly ? [21:54]
mircea_popescu they can do that ? [21:54]
asciilifeform aha [21:54]
asciilifeform poor orcs [21:54]
BingoBoingo Ur prolly right, Any benevolent cosmic ray god would not allow this http://i.imgur.com/i0sbSYb.jpg [21:54]
asciilifeform http://rt.com/news/205919-ukraine-bockade-rebel-areas << jurov can enjoy the rt [21:54]
mircea_popescu bockade ? did they send pedos at the protestors ? [21:55]
asciilifeform http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/266980.html [21:55]
asciilifeform ^ from horse's mouth [21:55]
mircea_popescu lol! [21:56]
mircea_popescu eagerly awaiting the kerrys of this world going "the atrocities in ukraine are due to russia!!1 the ukr govt clearly said they would break geneva convention unless russia buys them a popsicle and russia didn't!!11" [21:57]
asciilifeform the whole idiot 'international komyoonity' edifice can digest any contradiction, likely [21:57]
asciilifeform but the lulz! [21:57]
jurov ;;merkel already did [21:58]
gribble Error: "merkel" is not a valid command. [21:58]
jurov ;;google 281479271743489 [21:58]
gribble Dealing with ext3 and sparse_super - Lists - Gnu: [21:58]
asciilifeform this comes a day after the ua parliament voted to stop paying debt [21:58]
jurov that numer appears in many places [21:58]
asciilifeform which is somehow not a default, because... ??? [21:58]
asciilifeform jurov: 0x1000100010001 [21:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142175 << for them sacking is pointless, they don't have a qual programme so they'd just get the same muppets in a diff hat and have to remake the political arrangements. cost, no benefit. [21:59]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 20:40:55; ascii_field: betcha - no one. [21:59]
mircea_popescu jurov i don't often cosmic ray, but when i cosmic ray i always every fourth bit. [22:00]
BingoBoingo Nordic System http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11347454/Mother-and-daughter-weigh-a-total-of-43-stone-and-get-34k-a-year-handouts-but-refuse-to-diet.html [22:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, we have now experimentally found the wavelength of cosmic rays. [22:00]
mircea_popescu they're four bits long. [22:01]
asciilifeform turns out! [22:01]
asciilifeform and are strongly attracted to start of pub-exponent. [22:01]
asciilifeform we now know how to deflect cosmic rays from spacecraft! [22:01]
mircea_popescu see, the way this works is, if the ray is going across the wire, then nothing happens. but if the ray goes through the wire, as it can happen rarely (random rotational positioning), then it hits every 4th bit. [22:01]
mircea_popescu fiat physics! [22:02]
mircea_popescu o yeah, let's patent this! [22:02]
asciilifeform but only for 49 bits. [22:02]
asciilifeform therewego. [22:02]
mircea_popescu A Method To Insulate Aircraft From Cosmic Rays Digitally. "just carry a large bunch of e's in a pile outside hte ship" [22:02]
* BingoBoingo should have done law school, or at least more Science classes so could at least become "patent agent" [22:03]
mircea_popescu you can still become nerve agent :D [22:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is not a default BECAUSE THEY VOTES. [22:04]
mircea_popescu jeez you don't know anything. [22:04]
asciilifeform aha. [22:04]
BingoBoingo Imma be a something [22:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Because the PGP Global Directory allows users to manage lost keys, it cannot use cryptographic mechanisms for verification. Instead, like mailing list servers and other public Internet services, the PGP Global Directory verifies a key by requiring a response to a verification email sent to each email address specified on the key. It also requires periodic re-confirmation for each advertised email address [22:06]
mircea_popescu by soliciting a response to a re-verification email." [22:06]
mircea_popescu am i slow or something ? wut ? [22:06]
asciilifeform a few of the faux keys are labeled 'pgp corp. global directory' [22:06]
mircea_popescu o nm [22:07]
mircea_popescu reading on the log... [22:07]
* BingoBoingo thinks asciilifeform would make excellent motivational speaker [22:07]
asciilifeform which is how i found the lolzatron [22:07]
jurov http://blog.easydns.org/2015/05/20/unfortunately-we-have-renewed-our-icann-accreditation/ << related, compulsory domain email re-verification [22:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142195 << the list of people who died of starvation ? [22:08]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 21:22:14; *: ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course [22:08]
asciilifeform l0l [22:08]
asciilifeform the other one. [22:08]
jurov is the former public? [22:09]
asciilifeform jurov: aha. posted on mircea_popescu's www [22:09]
asciilifeform jurov: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations [22:09]
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mircea_popescu Endnotes [1] It's since been pointed out to me that renewals don't trigger WAPs. Renewals were in the original specification but the Registrars Stakeholder Group managed to get it taken out. [22:10]
mircea_popescu heh it explains why im not getting flooded. [22:10]
mircea_popescu anyway, i guess we'll be moving to our own internet sooner than anyone anticipated. [22:10]
mircea_popescu "One of the commenters on your other linked post (from when the policy was announced last year) mentioned having to create a Gmail account just to resolve the problem. Sure, that's a hardship after the fact, but there's little harm in proactively creating a Gmail account solely for the purpose of WHOIS contact." [22:11]
mircea_popescu oh fuck you in the head already [22:12]
mircea_popescu jesus christ these people. [22:12]
mircea_popescu "you can not have an independent domain without a facebook account! internet OF THINGS, bitch!" [22:12]
asciilifeform why spam drop has to be in 'gmail' ? (not that this isn't one of the few remaining uses of it) [22:12]
asciilifeform or is it the tls idiocy [22:13]
asciilifeform where 'plebe' domains can't actually receive mail from 'brahmin' domains [22:13]
mircea_popescu it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them... [22:14]
mircea_popescu (you recall, she used her own set-up in her own office, the nsa couldn't get her emails aha) [22:14]
mircea_popescu so now a contrived icann policy that, no doubt atr some point in the retarded comissions, had "it'll prevent private webservers" as a + [22:15]
asciilifeform they were pissed after having to spend fiddybux bribing server monkey, aha [22:15]
mircea_popescu myeah. [22:15]
mircea_popescu anywa, whaty about this spaf dude ? [22:15]
mircea_popescu it's just a link under a page of cv-derp [22:15]
asciilifeform claims to be 'professor of xyz', blog on spambler appeared from nowhere, sole post is reprint of the idiot crud [22:16]
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mircea_popescu all i see is a link to it. [22:17]
asciilifeform aha link [22:17]
asciilifeform to the word salad version [22:17]
mircea_popescu Hasimir you should probably look into gossipd while at it, to understand why we think very little indeed of all these "solutions" or w/e they are, colored sugar beads. [22:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform weird. [22:18]
asciilifeform aha [22:18]
asciilifeform http://spaf.cerias.purdue.edu/usgov/index.html << also l0l [22:18]
* asciilifeform not convinced that the earlier link has anything to do with the fella featured in above [22:19]
mircea_popescu "They found 30 keys with a subkey having one of the [22:19]
mircea_popescu first 1000 primes as a factor." <<< aha. somebody's not really done their reading [22:19]
mircea_popescu seeing how 10 digit factors and more keys are actually on display in published fucking articles. [22:19]
BingoBoingo it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them... << She used exchange, prolly pissed they had to risk a zero day [22:19]
BingoBoingo !up gavmatic [22:20]
* assbot gives voice to gavmatic [22:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all the 10-digiters i found so far were, iirc, composite [22:20]
gavmatic thanks [22:20]
asciilifeform so the small-primes thing isn't nonsense off the bat [22:20]
BingoBoingo gavmatic: I saw you've done some bitcoin news sort of posts on your blog [22:20]
asciilifeform but the 'yeah we knew all this' is a typical crock'o'shit, yes [22:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how composite ? i clearly recall there being primes longer [22:20]
mircea_popescu brb [22:20]
gavmatic yes i've submitted some stuff [22:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i only got a chance to test the first 9 or so [22:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: will need to automate this, yes [22:21]
gavmatic it's more a hobby at the moment, writing i think is over valued in our culture :) [22:21]
gavmatic err under valued [22:21]
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mircea_popescu 73014444049 = 17 * 641 * 6700417 [22:22]
mircea_popescu first one i looked at [22:22]
asciilifeform aha [22:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: none of it surprises, random n will normally have many small primefactors [22:22]
mircea_popescu now, 7 digit thing is prime. eminently not in the first 1k [22:22]
BingoBoingo gavmatic: Seriously consider submitting some pieces to qntra [22:22]
mircea_popescu actuallky not even in the first 1mn, obviously. [22:22]
BingoBoingo !gettrust gavmatic [22:22]
assbot Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user gavmatic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=gavmatic | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gavmatic/ [22:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, but folks normally speak of the smallest prime factor [22:22]
gavmatic thank you for the suggestion [22:22]
asciilifeform (why? ask'em) [22:22]
BingoBoingo gavmatic: It's a way for you to write and accumulate shares which may have value eventually. Also qntra can always use moar text [22:23]
gavmatic I understand, thank you very much for the offer, I will keep this in mind. [22:23]
BingoBoingo !rate gavmatic 1 prospect in textfarm system [22:24]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the implication i read in the quoted line was along the lines of Apocalyptic s http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-05-2015#1140786 [22:24]
assbot Logged on 20-05-2015 20:54:58; Apocalyptic: I multiply then the modulus N by 3 (or any other small prime, the value doesn't matter) [22:24]
mircea_popescu but perhaps i misread. [22:24]
BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.gavmatic.1:0bae20ad25ba58bc558f2be25839dd89ce2b9d14a02fc037319734fe92bbf8e9 [22:24]
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jurov mircea_popescu: pls to mpex queue. and there's a lulzy bug, CANCEL|1 responds the order is mangled despite i do have this order [22:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142235 << so wait, we have actual experimental confirmation for the fabled http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#selection-383.0-383.773 ?! [22:25]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 21:54:53; ascii_field: LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him. For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-. [22:25]
mircea_popescu can they actually SAY WHO ? [22:25]
mircea_popescu jurov on it. [22:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic started out by suggesting - correctly - that having, e.g., 3 - as factor - was not proof of weakness by itself, because one could take mircea_popescu's modulus, multiply by 3 [22:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. and the implication i read was "a small prime AND ONLY THAT SMALL PRIME" [22:26]
asciilifeform but this was, presumably, before he finished reading and learned -why- 3 was a factor [22:26]
mircea_popescu otherwise i have nfi why what the guy said is worth saying [22:26]
asciilifeform iirc he 'shot first before asking questions' [22:27]
mircea_popescu (the guy = on the email list linked above we're discussing) [22:27]
asciilifeform ah -that- one [22:27]
asciilifeform i haven't a clue on whom the trap sprung [22:27]
asciilifeform all the private meangurlz whispering, srsly, l0l [22:28]
* BingoBoingo has been meaning to watch that film [22:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mega-recommended [22:28]
* BingoBoingo may or may not be putting it on a certain que [22:31]
* BingoBoingo has watched 'Milliona Dollar Baby' too many times this month [22:32]
* BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en [22:33]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he thinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem [22:34]
asciilifeform where the shit gets to turn into wine rather than vice-versa (what it does on -our- planet) [22:34]
BingoBoingo Perhaps he aspires to master C machine? [22:35]
asciilifeform not seeing this intention in his works thus far [22:35]
asciilifeform but i'll let the man himself explain [22:35]
asciilifeform when he feels like it [22:35]
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BingoBoingo To be fair odd idea people find their way here and he wants a Lispy Unix. You tried to break Opterons into Lisp-Machiners. [22:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but he is even more broadly mistaken in imagining that market will pay enough for -any- operating system to support a moiety, much less a grown man [22:37]
BingoBoingo Sometimes one needs to ride the rail before finding a train [22:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i tried many things [22:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i didn't get the impression his expectation is being directly paid. [22:37]
BingoBoingo My impression is he want's those support contracts Redhat failed and was cannabilized upon [22:38]
asciilifeform how he planned to turn it into food&rent, i have no clue, but he implied knowing of a way. [22:38]
* BingoBoingo still works on polishing his portfolio yards polishing his mexican credentials [22:39]
mod6 <+jurov> mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone: http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated << this is 404 for me. [22:39]
asciilifeform wai wat [22:40]
mircea_popescu bluesky ?! [22:40]
mircea_popescu mod6 baby what happened there ? [22:40]
mircea_popescu you forgot to click the confirm link in your icann email ? :D [22:40]
asciilifeform forget for two weeks and it's the dulap ! [22:41]
BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeopleenvy/comments/33bqni/i_envy_beach_hams/cqndpya [22:42]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142238 << dude check out the retarded children of today. "hi would you talk to me privately seeing how i'm too autistic to engage in the proper channels, of which i have a bevy at my disposal from www to irc ?" "no. and get your head out of your ass." "oh you know what ? I AM GOING TO PUBLISH YOUR EMAIL NAO BECAUSE MY HEAD WORKS FINE INSIDE MY ASS" [22:42]
mircea_popescu what exactly is happening in the us ? is it a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland where children are brought up mostly by wolves and weevils ? [22:42]
asciilifeform weevils. [22:43]
mircea_popescu have you people no families, no fathers, do you not spend any time with your parents, is there no school, are there no books, nothing ? [22:43]
asciilifeform last wolf at his luger long ago [22:43]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 21:56:03; Hasimir: but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that) [22:43]
asciilifeform *ate [22:43]
mircea_popescu sometimes it looks like a separate planet. [22:43]
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mircea_popescu in what world is this sort of behaviour tolerated even of seven year olds, in their first year of schooling ? [22:44]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there is a loose network of people who had fathers, went to school, read the occasional book even. for the bulk of the rest of the schmucks - above applies, yes [22:44]
decimation lul > " one count of "operating as an airman without an airman's certificate"" < so if he did not practice and prepare for his flight, and rampantly disregarded safety, would he not have 'operated as an airman' [22:44]
mircea_popescu lol. mmmyeah. [22:44]
asciilifeform decimation: and i bet that thing is under weight limit [22:44]
asciilifeform below which - no license needed [22:44]
asciilifeform official usg law, no less [22:45]
asciilifeform he will have to sit down in the jail for trespassing [22:45]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 baby what happened there ? << not sure. anyway, even if I add in ".com" or w/e to that link jurov posted, still nada. [22:45]
mod6 not sure what jurov was referring to. [22:46]
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decimation "premeditated disregard for usg's rules" [22:47]
asciilifeform the hilarious part is the signed confession, apparently, -before- the flight [22:47]
asciilifeform (was not believed) [22:47]
asciilifeform ianal, but in usa, a machine below ~100kg is not considered an 'aircraft' and is not required to have items such as radio, lights, or a licensed flyer [22:49]
Hasimir I was pinged? [22:50]
Hasimir oh, quoted, nvm [22:50]
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mircea_popescu mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html [22:51]
mircea_popescu Hasimir well since you're here... [22:52]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142245 << you got to be kidding right / [22:52]
Hasimir yo [22:52]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:00:35; Hasimir: didn't spare all the boring folks [22:52]
mircea_popescu what sort of argument is this supposed to be even, "it didn't spare all the boring folks". [22:52]
mircea_popescu i came here for an argument! this is just contradiction, an automated gainsaying of everything the op says! [22:53]
BingoBoingo So in case of Illinois vs. Bingo... Evidentiary hearing which was finally scheduled... continued again because St Clair County's State's Attourney has more asses than heads [22:53]
mircea_popescu lol how long has that thing been going nao ? [22:54]
Hasimir well, I'm not here for argument, I'm here to try and find out what the cause is [22:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Since May 2013 [22:54]
Hasimir even if it is not directed by a malevolent actor [22:54]
mircea_popescu aite. [22:54]
Hasimir obviously if it is it'll be more interesting, but that's not enough to make it so ... [22:54]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know there is redress for it taking too long, but i dun think iut's taken too long enough yet. [22:54]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And I object to calling the case It's proper title because as and Illinois people I reject consensus on the people of Illinois vs. me title [22:55]
mircea_popescu Hasimir i dun see how it'd make it more interesting, but ok. [22:55]
asciilifeform i, for instance, will find it more interesting if we learn that it was caused by displeasure of the gods [22:55]
asciilifeform like earthquakes! [22:55]
asciilifeform (modern gods fire cosmic rays at sinners. earthquake - passe) [22:55]
Hasimir it'd be more interesting because then you get to pursue them to find out what they're up to, like in any good detective story [22:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142263 << which workload he conveniently DOES NOT present. [22:55]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:04:45; Hasimir: proving or disproving it would require merging multiple keys across a broad range of openpgp implementations and operating systems [22:55]
mircea_popescu do you understand what dismissal with prejudice is ? [22:56]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That redress is if they wait too long to file in the first place. But if hearing that takes 2 years to schedule has to be blown off because prosecutor whales aren't ready... Maybe I have a disposition by $5000/BTC [22:56]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 im sure he meant http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ahhh! ok. was soooo confused. was wondering if he bought a new domain ;) [22:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142266 << he is not attacking them "for doing so". he, and i, and ~the rest of the world~ is pointing and laughing at them for their hallucinogenic subjective positioning where they seem to regard themselves as some sort of authority to whjich things are proven. [22:57]
mircea_popescu b-a is the sitting authority, not some random twerps on the mailing list of some random usg-mandated security theatre "product" [22:57]
Hasimir mircea_popescu, I'm happy to test on the systems I've got here or have access to, but that's not a broad range [22:57]
mircea_popescu and THEY are the ones who are NOT at liberty to make claims other than humbly and with a lot of proof. [22:57]
Hasimir for example, there's no windows boxes here [22:58]
mircea_popescu because THEY are the inferiors in this social encounter. [22:58]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:06:44; Hasimir: no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd [22:58]
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BingoBoingo http://imgur.com/a/ShoCV [22:58]
mircea_popescu none of this having anything whatsoever to do with the actual math involved. [22:58]
mod6 jurov: ahh, ok, so let's talk about the best way to do this when we get a chance. [22:58]
asciilifeform funny how the -only-, afaik, place where the maths have come up... is here. [22:59]
asciilifeform (and trilema) [22:59]
Hasimir so you want peer review, fine, who do you consider your peers? [22:59]
mircea_popescu !gettrust Hasimir [22:59]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasimir: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Hasimir | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Hasimir/ [22:59]
mircea_popescu ^ in there. [22:59]
Hasimir hrm ... [23:00]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I enthralled by assertions that "you can't get whole key package from factoring subkey" and yet... niggers.txt [23:00]
asciilifeform waiwat [23:00]
mircea_popescu Hasimir see http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ and http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ and so on. [23:00]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's what some derps quoted seems to suggest. Factoring dat subkey doesn't really give priv key [23:01]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: depends which subkey, of who [23:01]
asciilifeform some of these folks have only one subkey; others - two; etc [23:02]
mircea_popescu but on its face, the notion that someone would even be vaguely relevant for crypto and NOT be in the wot at all is so ridiculous as to defy the mind. [23:02]
BingoBoingo Suggestion: For every broken moduli Phuctor signs a message "lol, I suck cocks" from factored keys [23:02]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the thing is, some keys consist entirely of two moduli, both of which were factored. [23:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Which is the value of Phuctor signing a sucks cocks message [23:03]
mircea_popescu and the problem with that suggestion is that well, much more interesting to spend computational resources to enlarge the breach atm, than to go in depth. [23:03]
mircea_popescu time enough to do that once the whole keyset's been combed [23:03]
Hasimir depends on which wot really, I can think of one or two that would know the math well enough, but are not involved in bitcoin at all (the pgp wot, however, is another matter) [23:03]
Hasimir oh, not counting people on any of the gpg mailing lists [23:04]
mircea_popescu of course, any of these twerps peanut-gallery-ing around COULD use their time to do any of the useful things obviously allowed by phuctor having, generously and very uncharacteristically for THEIR FIELD published a lot of raw results [23:04]
mircea_popescu but they're not doing that, because idiots. [23:04]
mircea_popescu Hasimir if it can't interoperate with assbot's it doesn't matter. [23:04]
BingoBoingo Well with factors message signing shouldn't be too much CPU mathing, but I guess if at this rate ~98 keys sign "lol I suck cocks" at the end of sks dump processing makes better Trilema post [23:04]
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mircea_popescu let those people fix their broken implementation. [23:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nah it appears to be because 'mircea_popescu is hitler and asciilifeform is mengele' [23:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform okay.jpg [23:04]
mircea_popescu for all the difference it's gonna make. [23:05]
mircea_popescu Hasimir what's LR incidentally ? [23:12]
Hasimir LR? [23:12]
mircea_popescu "My go-to guy for LR-to-BTC conversions at non-exorbitant rates!" [23:13]
Hasimir oh [23:13]
Hasimir Liberty Reserve [23:13]
Hasimir now dead [23:13]
mircea_popescu oh oh [23:13]
Hasimir yeah, that didn't last ... [23:13]
Hasimir apparently non-exorbitant was anything between 5 and 10% over spot [23:14]
mircea_popescu o.O [23:14]
Hasimir I'd found some site that let me turn the lrusd into mtgox coupon code things, so I just churned through it [23:15]
mircea_popescu yah i think lots of people doing that 2012ish [23:15]
Hasimir sounds about right [23:15]
Hasimir I can't complain, my initial stake came from a one night coding effort and then I traded on that and built it a little bit [23:16]
Hasimir given my laptop was bought with btc on -otc, I'm *way* ahead :) [23:17]
mircea_popescu works. [23:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121042 @ 0.00026846 = 32.4949 BTC [-] {2} [23:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172258 @ 0.00026577 = 45.781 BTC [-] {2} [23:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142287 << logically, if they're german it wouldnb't be the german FOREIGN intelligence ag would it now. [23:23]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:09:57; ascii_field: suggests to me - BND. [23:23]
mircea_popescu but the density of german ppls on that list is, as janna observed, significant enough to raise an eyebrow. [23:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's the one sucking nsa cok [23:24]
mircea_popescu as opposed to what, bfv or w/e ? [23:24]
asciilifeform i suppose the cock is long enough to shishkebob them all [23:25]
mircea_popescu hey, free money. [23:25]
mod6 danielpbarron: might be a good time to quick retest your key before the next batch [23:28]
asciilifeform aha. presently it's spinning wheels burning through the already tested material resubmitted (script lost place when box was powercycled by unknown hands) [23:28]
asciilifeform this might take most of night [23:28]
asciilifeform if you submit key now, it'll go in head of queue. [23:29]
mircea_popescu as it should. cool. [23:29]
asciilifeform i will point out, for the record, that i do not expect a proper key to break. [23:29]
asciilifeform but one of you fellas might be the lucky one. [23:29]
mod6 i threw mine in there again, it's 2nd in line or something "(queued, 2 moduli remaining...)" [23:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142297 << o hey. care to enter a summary of that drama into the record ? i've always been vaguely curious but too lazy to actually put it on the intel list. [23:29]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:13:28; Hasimir: oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia [23:29]
asciilifeform mod6: cruncher is presently off [23:29]
mod6 is see what you're saying, i did it about ~5 mins ago. no worries. [23:30]
mircea_popescu Vexual patel very common name in india so prolly not. [23:30]
mircea_popescu !up Vexual [23:30]
-assbot- You voiced Vexual for 30 minutes. [23:30]
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Hasimir you mean the ppi thing? [23:31]
mircea_popescu yes [23:31]
Hasimir pretty sure it got published on piratetimes.net already [23:31]
Hasimir there's a few links, I'll dig them out [23:31]
mod6 this new vaporizer tank i got is blowing my mind. [23:32]
mod6 just thought i'd share that :] [23:32]
asciilifeform mod6: how's this [23:32]
asciilifeform (what is unusual about it) [23:33]
mircea_popescu !rate Hasimir 1 Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia [23:33]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6bf447a8c6c1193a [23:33]
mod6 it's so much better than old one. i'll find a link... [23:33]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:b81063ad8ebbe75386e6515c03fc2fa43965115006ee19ce8462d99372379307 [23:33]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for Hasimir with note: Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia [23:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he put his mind in the vaporizer :D [23:33]
asciilifeform that'd do it. [23:34]
mircea_popescu Click here ( 153701009 digits). yum. [23:35]
mod6 it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer [23:35]
mod6 mircea_popescu: hahah [23:35]
BingoBoingo mod6: What are you vaporizing? [23:35]
Hasimir oh, you know Rodney? [23:35]
asciilifeform mod6: beautiful lathe work [23:35]
trinque mod6: damn that thing looks nice [23:35]
mircea_popescu Hasimir apparently you do, seeing how he's the treasurer ? [23:36]
mod6 BingoBoingo: 15mg nic [23:36]
Hasimir he was treasurer [23:36]
mircea_popescu o.O [23:36]
Hasimir now he's backpacking through europe [23:36]
Hasimir last I heard, somewhere near russia [23:36]
mod6 the airflow on this thing is beatutiful [23:36]
asciilifeform mod6: what does it plug into? i see no power source [23:37]
mircea_popescu when did this happen then ? [23:37]
Hasimir well, I became treasurer in 2013, when he decided not to run again [23:37]
mod6 asciilifeform: that's just the tank, there is a 30W battery that it screws into from the bottom. [23:37]
mod6 mine is like: eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/eleaf-istick.html -- the one with the digital display i had with me in b-a. [23:38]
Hasimir everyone else seemed afraid of the job, but it's not hard [23:38]
mircea_popescu Hasimir intel says 2013, Ben McGinnes. [23:38]
Hasimir that's me [23:39]
mircea_popescu learn a new thing erryday [23:39]
mod6 didn't i see Ben McGinnes just post something to the thread about MP & the keys on the gnupg list or w/e? [23:39]
Hasimir just like it says on my gpg key ;) [23:39]
mircea_popescu !rate Hasimir 1 Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia [23:39]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8ff9ad7747daedca [23:39]
* mod6 looks back [23:40]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:bf7f710965a166083dd04a45ca06e05d82edae78c00b64c6adc73075db7ee508 [23:40]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for Hasimir from 1 to 1 with note: Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia [23:40]
Hasimir mod6, yep the silly question about the keyserver [23:40]
Hasimir mangling thingy [23:40]
mod6 that was you?! [23:40]
Hasimir heheh [23:40]
Hasimir and a certain someone didn't twig ... [23:40]
asciilifeform mod6: http://www.eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/ipipe-ii-kit.html << lulzy [23:41]
Hasimir mircea_popescu, my other hats include co-founding cryptoparty, also in 2012, and writing the bulk of the ppau submission to the national security inquiry [23:42]
mircea_popescu which got ignored. [23:42]
Hasimir well of course it got ignored, we were in favour of a logical response [23:42]
Hasimir and they cried, "Because Terrorism!" [23:43]
mircea_popescu but anyway, if you're looking for work to do, there's http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ which has a 25+btc pouch attached and most of the work done by mats an nubbins already, so cap it off and the lot of ya can then be paid [23:43]
mod6 asciilifeform: hahhah i never knew! [23:43]
cazalla Hasimir, did you run that with asherwolf? [23:43]
Hasimir cazalla, yep [23:43]
mod6 i used to smoke a pipe a long time ago.. not sure if I could get used to e-pipe. pipe tobacco has a nice smell, etc. [23:44]
mircea_popescu cazalla i hope you're all weirded out and inception-ed to fuck seeing how all your friends keep showing up in here. [23:44]
cazalla Hasimir, can't say i'm a fan.. and look it's Vexual! lol [23:44]
Hasimir cazalla, I do tend to describe that thing as my crypto problem child ... but, probably worth it [23:45]
cazalla Hasimir, it or her? [23:45]
cazalla mircea_popescu, what friends? i know Vexual from here! [23:47]
mircea_popescu aok [23:47]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [23:47]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142321 << not exactly impossible, tho such bugs are so often weaponized it's not worth making the distinction [23:49]
cazalla and given Hasimir is from Melbourne, odds are he's a lefty and i'm hitler to those sorts down here [23:49]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:18:20; ascii_field: and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED [23:49]
mircea_popescu cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ? [23:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the original suggestion, as i read it, was bug in -sks- [23:49]
asciilifeform creating, among other things, the valid sig [23:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, that's not happening. [23:50]
asciilifeform which is preposterous. [23:50]
asciilifeform aha. [23:50]
mircea_popescu now a bug in [some] gpg... who the fuck knows. [23:50]
asciilifeform 2 bugs [23:50]
mircea_popescu 3 secret bugs [23:50]
asciilifeform one to crap'em out, another - to swallow [23:50]
mircea_popescu and a fanatical devotion to the pope. [23:50]
Hasimir cazalla, it, not her and I'm more libertarian, but not the crazy american kind [23:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142330 << the difference is subtle, but it is present. [23:51]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 22:21:33; Hasimir: I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy [23:51]
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mircea_popescu Hasimir how's the crazy american kind ? [23:52]
cazalla mircea_popescu, seen enough of it to know the place serves as a magnet for sjw types [23:52]
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trinque mircea_popescu: probably me [23:52]
trinque lol [23:52]
asciilifeform Hasimir: we have exacting standards for the criticism, is mostly it. you'd find the same treatment in, e.g., physics community circa 1890. [23:52]
Hasimir guns above all else, absolutely zero taxes, involvement in society, even if social security is what stops revolutions and blood in the streets, etc. [23:52]
mircea_popescu ic. [23:53]
trinque Hasimir: how bout yes to 1, voluntary 2, fuck 3 [23:53]
cazalla Hasimir, not a fan of packing heat? [23:53]
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Hasimir viewing foreign aid as a handout (instead of the bribery it is) [23:53]
mircea_popescu Hasimir the difference between handout and bribery appears as you switch context. [23:54]
mircea_popescu they are the same text. [23:54]
Hasimir cazalla, I probably would if I could, but it seems to almost be a religion for some and I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place [23:54]
mircea_popescu haha that's a point. [23:55]
mircea_popescu except he doesn't wanna go to melbourne [23:55]
Hasimir it is a little cold, but the coffee is good [23:55]
trinque easy to grant that *any* political group in the states is packed with morons [23:56]
trinque the benefits of being armed stand on their own [23:56]
Hasimir Vexual, sleep is for the weak, during the week [23:56]
mircea_popescu trinque a lot more dubious than all that. [23:56]
trinque mircea_popescu: how so [23:57]
mircea_popescu being armed is like carrying a large 1980s laptop everywhere that can't be turned on [23:57]
trinque mircea_popescu: what would better protect my property or own life? [23:57]
Hasimir mind you, I live in a place where it's illegal to carry something as relatively tame as pepper spray [23:57]
Hasimir as I well know ... [23:57]
trinque mircea_popescu: though you and I have vastly different contexts within which to consider those problems [23:57]
mircea_popescu you know, just because there isn't a better solution of the same strength doesn't mean it's terribru good. [23:57]
trinque haha [23:57]
trinque I can grant that [23:57]
cazalla Hasimir, not much point calling the cops or ambos if a couple Refugee australis of the somalian kind rock up to your place, i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em [23:58]
trinque I'm surrounded by orcs [23:58]
trinque meth-fueled even [23:58]
BingoBoingo cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ? << Not like I don't indict whole cities for eventual Bingo Justice [23:58]
mircea_popescu trinque mind, i have lived like that, and for extended periods. contrary to what the outsiders think, nobody inside is really all that keen about having to drag the damned things around everywhere. [23:58]
trinque ah, yeah I don't carry [23:59]
trinque just keep some at home [23:59]
mircea_popescu and everyone that does eventually settles for equipment much exactly opposite of what the arms fans favour. [23:59]
cazalla Hasimir, what's the pirate party position on weaponry btw? [23:59]
mircea_popescu ie, light. [23:59]
mircea_popescu and no TaCtIcAl ScOpEz [23:59]
trinque lol, certainly not [23:59]
trinque a humble handgun and a rifle for sport [23:59]
Hasimir cazalla, we don't have a formal position on firearms, but we generally favour individual freedom [23:59]
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