Forum logs for 21 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

thestringpuller	fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNfvuJr9164 - your post reminded me of this if you haven't already seen it	[00:00]
assbot	"Danny and Annie" from StoryCorps - YouTube	[00:00]
davout	what's next, valuing startup comparatively to developer meat weight?	[00:00]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: wife's already asleep, will put it on the list to watch tomorrow	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	davout are you dog ?	[00:01]
fluffypony	does anyone have a freelance dev that is au fait with QT 5 and C/C++? I have some urgent UI work that needs doing	[00:02]
davout	i is manul actually	[00:03]
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davout	after a phone line, a mascot	[00:04]
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fluffypony	The B-A Manul?	[00:04]
moiety	:D	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony maybe punkman1 is bored ?	[00:04]
davout	yes, let's call it samuel	[00:05]
fluffypony	Samuel the Manul	[00:05]
fluffypony	rolls off the tongue with a French accent better than an English one	[00:05]
davout	so the wiki can be called samul	[00:05]
davout	Samul the manuel	[00:05]
fluffypony	punkman1: hit me up when around re: the above, if you're not interested maybe you know someone who is	[00:05]
davout	gosh, i ain't even high	[00:06]
moiety	if i could have a pet one, i would call him marvin	[00:06]
fluffypony	moiety: the paranoid android?	[00:07]
moiety	i didn't know there was such a thing lol	[00:07]
*	fluffypony hands moiety The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe	[00:07]
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moiety	oh now i have heard of that	[00:07]
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fluffypony	holy fuck I'm too drunk for IRC	[00:08]
fluffypony	ok I go sleep before I say something else inane, night night	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	nerds	[00:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00420001 = 0.3066 BTC [-]	[00:20]
jurov	[15:31:28] i want the mods to vet the bitbet queue. << cuz he got his salary today xD	[00:22]
jurov	throw it all on bitbet	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:23]
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mjr_	hi all	[00:26]
jurov	hi mjr_	[00:26]
mjr_	mircea_popescu:	[00:26]
mjr_	i was wondering if you had the documentation about when you were under DDOS and set up the IRC/gpg/pastebin alternate trading system	[00:27]
mjr_	hey jurov	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema many ways available	[00:27]
gribble	The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog ...: ; MPEx DDOSed, an epic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Requiem for a Dream pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	?	[00:27]
mjr_	thanks	[00:27]
jurov	also in missing manul http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/07/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-2-%28How-to-talk-to-MPEx%29	[00:27]
assbot	MPEx: The Missing Manual 2 - How to talk to MPEx - serialized delusions	[00:27]
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mjr_	;;gettrust mircea_popescu	[00:38]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user Josh_Rossi to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Josh_Rossi&dest=mircea_popescu \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu \| Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011	[00:38]
mjr_	thanks Jurov	[00:38]
mjr_	that was much easier to read than the romanian version :)	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	there's a romanian version ?!	[00:39]
mjr_	i'm not sure	[00:39]
mjr_	the first link was in romanian...or rather	[00:39]
mjr_	i don't know what language it is in	[00:39]
mjr_	and i guessed romanian	[00:39]
jurov	apparently my contract with benkay stipulates i should shift blame to him at this point	[00:39]
mjr_	hehehe	[00:39]
mjr_	so what else is new	[00:40]
jurov	we have spiffy recpetionist	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ link ?	[00:40]
jurov	*receptionist	[00:40]
mjr_		[00:41]
mjr_	One, Two, Threei e un film din a doua parte a carierei lui Cagney (care s-a cam razboit cu studiourile la viata lui, Bette Davis style). Nu putem spune “finalul” carierei zisului dat fiind ca inca facea filme-n 1981, douazeci de ani mai tirziu.	[00:41]
mjr_	i have seen some really cool things here	[00:42]
mjr_	the logs are really nice	[00:42]
mjr_	you can lurk much easier lol	[00:42]
thestringpuller	what's the poing of #bitcoin-otc if you can't buy btc there ~_~	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ if you don't actually load an article you just get the main page which loads a random articler	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	try withiuyt the	[00:42]
mjr_	ah ok, i just clicked	[00:43]
mjr_	anyway, no big deal	[00:43]
mjr_	the missing manual had it all	[00:43]
mjr_	i was just dicussing API's with an associaet	[00:43]
mjr_	and that was probably the most interesting interface i've ever seen	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.0057822 = 0.1677 BTC [-]	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	no argument :p	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.00577829 = 0.3756 BTC [-] {6}	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	wait wasn't rent 75 or something ?	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 126 @ 0.00566473 = 0.7138 BTC [-] {8}	[00:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47926564 = 0.9585 BTC [+]	[00:49]
thestringpuller	!ticker h rent	[00:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00560000 / 0.00575953 / 0.00619590 (308 shares, 1.77393487 BTC), 7D: 0.00560000 / 0.00642828 / 0.00710000 (2469 shares, 15.87142769 BTC), 30D: 0.00532500 / 0.00647243 / 0.00750000 (8888 shares, 57.52696161 BTC)	[00:49]
thestringpuller	i guess last month it was	[00:50]
thestringpuller	hmm	[00:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00419267 = 0.1719 BTC [-] {3}	[00:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00405021 = 0.1337 BTC [-] {2}	[00:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.095 = 0.475 BTC [+]	[01:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0390596 = 0.625 BTC [+] {3}	[01:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00011297 = 0.3389 BTC [+] {3}	[01:08]
jurov	bdb shouldn't have been replaced by leveldb	[01:11]
jurov	someday i buy namesys and make shishkin sew reiser4 in there >:D	[01:11]
jurov	in bticoin 0.7.2	[01:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03319326 = 0.1328 BTC [+] {2}	[01:12]
danielpbarron	is it supposed to take a week+ for the blockchain to get imported in 0.7.2 ?	[01:12]
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dub	probably	[01:14]
jurov	hopefully when mircea finally overthrows washington we can get reiser himself to do it	[01:14]
jurov	provided he keeps mp's bitches intact	[01:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1832 @ 0.00011216 = 0.2055 BTC [-] {2}	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron what do you mean by imported	[01:15]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, either downloaded or with bootstrap.dat; the checking of the blocks	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1968 @ 0.00011002 = 0.2165 BTC [-] {4}	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	downloading is slow. checking should not be.	[01:16]
dub	a reasonably modern computer helps, ssd drive helps more	[01:16]
danielpbarron	what is the bottleneck? my cpu is only topping out at 20%	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	disk diddling really	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	dub nobody with a raid cares about ssd :D	[01:19]
danielpbarron	a raid setup would probably speed it up then?	[01:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0332999 = 0.333 BTC [+]	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	kinda what raid does yes	[01:26]
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jurov	it can make reads faster by factor of at most	[01:27]
[]bot	Bet created: Perpetual Obsolescence: iOS 8 Announced in 2014 (http://bitbet.us/bet/858/)	[01:28]
mike_c	rent did their 2po at 75. as soon as market trading started again it sank.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	someone bought @75 ?	[01:31]
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Namworld	I started playing the game FEZ. Loving it.	[01:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]	[01:43]
Duffer1	transistor came out today	[01:47]
Duffer1	incredible game from the makers of bastion	[01:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 177 @ 0.00080356 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {4}	[02:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47925027 BTC [-]	[02:19]
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mike_c	yeah, they sold 175 btc worth at 75. as soon as market trading opened up it dropped into the 60s	[02:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0333 = 0.333 BTC [+]	[02:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]	[02:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03347217 = 0.3347 BTC [+] {5}	[02:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 837 @ 0.00420001 = 3.5154 BTC [+]	[02:26]
assbot	Secrets, lies and Snowden's email: why I was forced to shut down Lavabit \| Comment is free \| theguardian.com	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	i find that highly improbable.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	"Glenn Greenwald: the state targets dissenters not 'bad guys'"	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	seems exactly what you'd expect, it's long lost control.	[02:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00420001 = 0.1806 BTC [+]	[02:41]
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mircea_popescu	In the first two weeks, I was served legal papers a total of seven times and was in contact with the FBI every other day. (This was the period a prosecutor would later characterize as my "period of silence".)	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	sounds rather typical of the grossly overactive usg	[02:51]
benkay	apparently my contract with benkay stipulates i should shift blame to him at this point // oh you	[02:56]
benkay	a contract covering work for pay is an interesting beast. should it include an address for payment so that when published in the event of breach anyone can verify that payment was not made?	[03:00]
benkay	this is a purely theoretical question.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	up to the parties.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	it's a field in which a lot of experimental work still has to be poured before we really know	[03:01]
benkay	and jurov how dare you intimate that anyone sent me any btc?! i live in the states! they'd put me in the gasenwagen!	[03:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]	[03:01]
benkay	i disavow receipt of any btc.	[03:01]
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danielpbarron	i include the address in the signed contract for exactly that reason	[03:04]
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benkay	hey princess.	[03:06]
benkay	!up hecate	[03:06]
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benkay	handles are getting creative.	[03:06]
benkay	are there any -assets blessed crypto-only exchanges?	[03:10]
benkay	!up princessnell	[03:11]
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princessnell	ty	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	!up hecate	[03:12]
-assbot-	You voiced hecate for another 30 minutes.	[03:12]
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princessnell	have u seen this gem? http://pastebin.com/Zt7fBtRp	[03:12]
assbot	Open letter to federal scum - Pastebin.com	[03:12]
benkay	d'oh	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	princessnell yes.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck does that mean, another 30 minutes	[03:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0220031 = 0.22 BTC [-]	[03:14]
benkay	princessnell: is that real life?	[03:15]
princessnell	benkay 'if you see it in MOTHERBOARD, it's so'	[03:16]
artifexd	I could really use some advice. I find myself in a position that I, honestly, never expected.	[03:17]
artifexd	The company for which I work is being bought.	[03:17]
artifexd	It is a small company. Less than 20 people.	[03:17]
artifexd	Any thoughts or advice for me? Is there any extra information I can provide that would help get better advice?	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	off twitter : Her: “Will you try a veggie burger for lunch?” Me: “Sure, if the bun's made out of steak.”	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	artifexd you could help a lot by explaining what exactly are you trying to get advice for	[03:21]
dignork	artifexd: M&A is fun, if you are bought by a bigger company, try to inflate your position now, might get moar money	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	sleeping with the acquirer's wife ? keeping your red stapler ? how to cook a veggie burger with a steak bun ?	[03:21]
artifexd	That's the thing. I don't know what advice I need.	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	well are you trying to solve any particular problem ?	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	do you have any sort of goal ?	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	help us out here lol	[03:22]
artifexd	Goal.... thinking...	[03:22]
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artifexd	Goal number 1: As much money in a lump payment as possible.	[03:22]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I wanna know how to cook a veggie burger with a steak bun, sounds tasty.	[03:22]
artifexd	Goal number 2: Maintain the autonomy that I have enjoyed for the last few years.	[03:23]
artifexd	Goal number 3: A raise.	[03:23]
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artifexd	I figure the lump sum payment I get from stock options is already set, right?	[03:23]
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dignork	artifexd: stock options, check taxing, you might want to hold them off	[03:25]
artifexd	How? Until when?	[03:25]
artifexd	It isn't an amount that will make me independently wealthy, but it will greatly improve my current situation.	[03:26]
dignork	artifexd: i'm not a real accountant :), but you should consult one, move to IRA maybe, dunno.	[03:26]
artifexd	"Inflate my position" What does that mean? The company is small enough that everyone knows my contributions.	[03:27]
dignork	for a larger company, your previous "rank" might change your salary, so in your interests to achieve highest rank possible	[03:28]
dignork	it's a game though, if you are too high-ranked, they might fire you, due to position duplicity	[03:29]
dignork	so don't be a CFO for example	[03:29]
artifexd	If it makes a difference, I'm a programmer/coder/developer. My official (self-appointed) title is "Deviser and Artifex".	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	artifexd listen, you need to hire a tax attorney at this point.	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	there's no way you can get pertinent advice without the details.	[03:30]
artifexd	That is good advice.	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	blow a few grand on hiring someone, it';s the right time to do it.	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	you'll discover, even if you overpay today, you'll discover in time you wouldn't have undone it.	[03:31]
artifexd	Correction: That is pertinent advice.	[03:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.0042 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2}	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	and other than that, have an open and relaxed negotiation strategy. tell the acquirer's expert that you aren't interested in anything but a position with the authonomy you enjoyed previously, and they can let you know.	[03:33]
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artifexd	Any recommendations for what to ask them? I mean, what are things that are in question when one company acquires another? For example, it didn't even occur to me that my salary would change, as mentioned by dignork	[03:35]
mike_c	is the sale a good thing or is it because the company is struggling?	[03:35]
artifexd	A good thing.	[03:36]
dignork	artifexd: some larger company have lame rules defining allowed salalry limits per rank, hope your case would be different	[03:36]
dignork	company=companies	[03:36]
artifexd	It has long been the stated goal of our ceo to get bought.	[03:37]
artifexd	"Long" meaning "since I came onboard"	[03:37]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wtf, how do you 'patch secret bug' in open source product ?!	[03:37]
benkay	%b	[03:38]
benkay	%t	[03:38]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 187 Ask: 277 Last Price: 278 24h-Vol: 128k High: 280 Low: 159 VWAP: 188	[03:38]
asciilifeform	what did they have to smoke for this to make sense?	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nm that.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	official core devs !!1	[03:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: ssd - if there were a hardware raid that worked well with ssd of some description (or, for that matter, vice-versa) i would buy it. on account of hating spindle noise.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dunno what your noise issue is man, i used to live with the large ventilated felix	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like a large mining rig, except more useless.	[03:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.00420001 = 0.8526 BTC [+]	[03:42]
asciilifeform	why not simply connect the extant ones? basic problem is that ssd units from same batch tend to die in unison, when used in just about any variant of raid (why - exercise for reader)	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	this is why you don't use same-manuf for ssds	[03:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: live with the large ventilated felix << http://www.nzeldes.com/HOC/IronFelix.htm ???!	[03:43]
assbot	"Iron Felix" meets the Odhner calculator	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no lol, this closet sized pdp-clone wannabe	[03:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47925 BTC [-]	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	apparently it doesn't even exist on the internet it was so sikrit	[03:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.095 = 0.57 BTC [+]	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	http://isabellelorelai.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1cifa1.jpg	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	there you go	[03:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol! who even knows how many soviet pdp.	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	this was actually homebrew, originally made by the atomic physics folks at magurele	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	eventually it just became a toy for students to play with	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	but anyway. loud. who cares!	[03:47]
asciilifeform	how'd you end up sleeping on (in? with?) it ?	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	cause it was in the physics lab and i was sleepy	[03:47]
asciilifeform	aha	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	they had this huge round air vent thing, kinda comfortable to sit in	[03:48]
penguirker	New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/05/20_this-is-why-distributed-exchanges-are-doomed-to-failure.html	[03:49]
assbot	this is why distributed exchanges are doomed to failure	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anyway, decay experiments, i dunno if you know, are - or were ? - this particular brand of evil.	[03:50]
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mircea_popescu	"well, by midnight we should have about twelve ticks or so"	[03:50]
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mircea_popescu	time's 11:30 and the thing ticked once...	[03:51]
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mircea_popescu	come to think about it, quite exactly like mining.	[03:51]
asciilifeform	lol yes. i did much the same thing, in a vastly different context (scintillation counter, bio. assay)	[03:51]
asciilifeform	re: fans/spindles: i know folks of two opposing schools of thought re: comp noise. variant 1 - powerful machine, must sing, like 'harley davidson'; variant 2 - want quiet, like german bmw, not air-cooled 'trabant'	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	ya i guess im more like 1	[03:52]
asciilifeform	(i'm with '2')	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	heretic	[03:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you'd really love my Symbolics 3620 then.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Măgurele << romania's version of cheliabinks	[03:52]
assbot	Mgurele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[03:52]
asciilifeform	unambiguous 'harley'	[03:53]
asciilifeform	(for those innocent: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/22982/Symbolics-3620 )	[03:55]
assbot	Symbolics 3620 - Computing History	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	pity it never caught on	[03:56]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is actually an interesting historical topic. these people never wanted to 'catch on' in the modern sense	[03:57]
asciilifeform	they made 'ferraris', so to speak	[03:57]
asciilifeform	then the only folks who could afford them - went broke.	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	i suspect the problem had a lot more to do with them being plagued by bob becks than anything intentional.	[03:58]
asciilifeform	(reagan's 'star wars' and the associated pig trough)	[03:58]
asciilifeform	there's a paper floating about for many years, arguing that SMBX died of gross mismanagement	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	sounds credible to me.	[03:59]
asciilifeform	and here's weinreb (recently deceased. one of the founders) on death of same.	[03:59]
asciilifeform	http://danweinreb.org/blog/why-did-symbolics-fail	[03:59]
assbot	Why Did Symbolics Fail? \| Software and Innovation	[03:59]
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mircea_popescu	weinreb's passing actually makes me think about the following	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	suppose the year is 2215.	[04:00]
asciilifeform	i used to be a quasi-serious student of the subject of 'why smbx dead' - until i realized that i'm getting nowhere, everyone i want to talk to is buried.	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	willy-nilly the various blogs left by various people important in 2015, if still extant,	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	have gone through a long list of conservatorships and whatnot	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	this isn't something we're really too apt to handle, the material published on their own blogs by meanwhile long dead people	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how will it work out	[04:01]
asciilifeform	naggum's material comes to mind as one example	[04:01]
asciilifeform	(no real organization, but encyclopaedic completeness at least)	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	right. the time's advanced enough for this problem to start showing at the edges	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	in a way it didn't in say 1994.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	soon it'll become quite massive.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	i mean even the notion of a blog is maybe 20 years old tops. that's within reasonable lifespan.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	but approaching the cusp	[04:02]
asciilifeform	the problem is made somewhat more dire by the fact that the folks traditionally interested in the subject ('library sciences' types) - as i understand - didn't make the jump to electronics really	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	nor do they have any sort of a clue as to how and why and what and so on	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	we're perhaps approaching a strange "collapse of the roman empire" situation from an entirely different angle	[04:03]
asciilifeform	ted nelson (for all his faults) predicted this very same thing, in the 1960s	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	"At the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab, fifteen researchers shared a computer with a .001 GHz CPU and .002 GB of main memory."	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	gotta love the guy's style.	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	"We had great success amongst primary customers. I think we could have found a lot more of them if our marketing had been better. For example, did you know that Symbolics had a world-class software development environment for Fortran, C, Ada, and other popular languages, with amazing semantics-understanding in the editor, a powerful debugger, the ability for the languages to call each other, and so on? We put a lot of	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	work into those, but they were never publicized or advertised."	[04:05]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	ok, i win. bob beck sunk symbolix.	[04:05]
asciilifeform	wtf is a bob beck	[04:05]
asciilifeform	bob the goatfucker ?	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	" We at Symbolics were slow to acknowledge this. We believed our own “dogma” even as it became less true. It was embedded in our corporate culture. If you disputed it, your co-workers felt that you “just didn’t get it” and weren’t a member of the clan, so to speak. This stifled objective analysis. (This is a very easy problem to fall into — don’t let it happen to you!)"	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/	[04:06]
assbot	The public burning of Bob Beck pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[04:06]
asciilifeform	aha!	[04:06]
asciilifeform	re: weibreb's style...	[04:06]
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asciilifeform	http://imagizer.imageshack.us/scaled/landing/875/ayjgar.jpg	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	Also, a lot of Symbolics sales were based on the promise of rule-based expert systems, of which the early examples were written in Lisp. Rule-based expert systems are a fine thing, and are widely used today (but often not in Lisp). But they were tremendously over-hyped by certain academics and by their industry, resulting in a huge backlash around 1988. “Artificial Intelligence” fell out of favor; the “AI Winter	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	” had arrived. << yeah.	[04:07]
asciilifeform	(aka 'chinual')	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	they mismanaged pretty much every aspect of market dominance.	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	one should make a jobs vs noftsker case study	[04:08]
asciilifeform	titanically great product (to the point that, imho, it has never been equalled) but they rode a very particular wave of bezzola, ended up going down with it.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	course... i seem to also remember some massive rms drama	[04:09]
asciilifeform	mostly in head of rms	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	isn;t it all ?	[04:09]
asciilifeform	http://danweinreb.org/blog/rebuttal-to-stallmans-story-about-the-formation-of-symbolics-and-lmi	[04:09]
assbot	Rebuttal to Stallmans Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI \| Software and Innovation	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	"Meanwhile, back at Symbolics, there were huge internal management conflicts, leading to the resignation of much of top management, who were replaced by the board of directors with new CEO’s who did not do a good job" i dunno..	[04:10]
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mircea_popescu	"Symbolics signed long-term leases on big new offices and a new factory, anticipating growth that did not come, and were unable to sublease the properties due to office-space gluts, which drained a great deal of money."	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	the only missing ingredient so far heh.	[04:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0041 = 0.41 BTC [-]	[04:12]
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mircea_popescu	"or example, remember that the first viable Windows O/S, release 3.1, came out in in 1990"	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	wait, 3.1 was viable ?!	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	in what sense of viability lol	[04:14]
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asciilifeform	viable in the butugychag sense. you can live there for a bit...	[04:14]
asciilifeform	with external prodding.	[04:14]
asciilifeform	so, can live, with steady supply of inmates	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	right.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	"And while I’m setting the record straight, the original (TECO-based) Emacs was created and designed by Guy L. Steele Jr. and David Moon. After they had it working, and it had become established as the standard text editor at the AI lab, Stallman took over its maintenance."	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	so THIS is the actual root of the emacs wars ?	[04:20]
asciilifeform	this is a fairly well-known fact (i thought)	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	well not by me	[04:20]
[]bot	Bet created: Cardano to Ship in 2014 (http://bitbet.us/bet/859/)	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	(granted, my interest in this sort of minutia is faint)	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	o look at that asciilifeform... not a whole lot of confidence.	[04:21]
asciilifeform	lol	[04:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the bob beck thing is epic	[04:23]
asciilifeform	where do they even get them.	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	quite	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	i'll tell you :	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	there's these things people like doing, like say rubbing their scrotum. and then there's these other things people don't like doing, like cooking and cleanning.	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	clearly thus therefore cooking and cleanning is stupid, and definitely not something one should learn or study or do well	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	because nobody ever has to put effort where they already suck, because they don't suck, it's just the problem that's unworthy of attention.	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	and so they end up with the stupidest contributor doing the most important parts : interfacing with the world.	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	it is very easy to interface with a computer : it's pinned down in place, mechanical and stupider than you.	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	it is insanely difficult to interface with the world, mostly because the world is principally made out of people smarter than you will ever be.	[04:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'любишь кататься люби и саночки возить' (proverb. 'like sledding? like pulling sled then, too.'	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	and so... bob beck.	[04:25]
moiety	I'm turning in, night everyone :]	[04:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+]	[04:40]
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mircea_popescu	"The Economist @TheEconomist · 2h The far-right may triumph in the EU parliament elections but they won't achieve much there"	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	dude im so fucking sick of the left spin	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	how about the right accomplishes firing your wife, dear economist, from her "womens studies" uni position ?	[04:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up RepentOrPerish	[04:50]
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F40PH	yo	[04:51]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Cardano to Ship in 2014 (http://bitbet.us/bet/859/)". Odds: 98(Y):2(N) by coin, 98(Y):2(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,989.	[04:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46500005 = 0.93 BTC [-] {2}	[05:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.0220031 = 0.9901 BTC [-]	[05:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.03214332 = 1.9286 BTC [-] {11}	[05:02]
F40PH	!ops	[05:03]
F40PH	no ops function?	[05:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.03300804 = 1.3863 BTC [+] {5}	[05:04]
F40PH	nooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa	[05:08]
Apocalyptic	!down F40PH	[05:08]
thestringpuller	ident first	[05:08]
Azelphur	!down F40PH	[05:08]
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Azelphur	I helped	[05:08]
Apocalyptic	thx Azelphur	[05:08]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[05:13]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 493.79, Best ask: 494.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 494.58, 24 hour volume: 29696.05623876, 24 hour low: 447.63, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.724107341	[05:13]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 50 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment (http://bitbet.us/bet/786/)". Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1307.03879007 BTC. Current weight: 80,465.	[05:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1020 @ 0.0041 = 4.182 BTC [-]	[05:26]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/468941331696734208	[05:28]
assbot	New study: Hiring managers do not value Liberal Arts degree, said "no degree" would be better: http://t.co/5oWByf23ey (yikes?)	[05:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47923092 = 2.3962 BTC [+] {4}	[05:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03949161 = 0.2369 BTC [+] {2}	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[05:32]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 494.67, Best ask: 496.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.83000, Last trade: 496.5, 24 hour volume: 29266.10215098, 24 hour low: 451.01, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.739040274	[05:32]
artifexd	Idea for a bet: Total bet on 786 to exceed 2500BTC	[05:33]
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mircea_popescu	too easy to manipulate tho	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, 2.5k is certain	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	25k moar like a good bar	[05:35]
artifexd	Sure. If you have that kind of cheddar to throw around, sure.	[05:35]
artifexd	Seriously?	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	there's 12mn bitcoins mined./	[05:36]
artifexd	That would make for a nice S.BBET dividend.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	yes seriously. look at say http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/	[05:37]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 :: 1750.25 B (93%) on Yes, 136.67 B (7%) on No \| closed 3 months 3 weeks ago	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	most volume was in january, not in november.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	i'd guess the berkshire bet will have reached half its total bet sum sometime this autumn	[05:37]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	sup	[13:14]
fluffypony	anarkitty is in the room - she sent me a message on Reddit 3 hrs ago, so presumably she's asleep now	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	anarkitty hey there	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	!up anarkitty	[13:15]
-assbot-	You voiced anarkitty for 30 minutes.	[13:15]
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mircea_popescu	sluts sleep ?!	[13:15]
fluffypony	idle for 4 hours	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	that's long enough then :D	[13:15]
fluffypony	:-P	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	wait idle for 4 hours on webirc and she didn't get cut off ? helluva great connection she's got	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	i thought she was in the us.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[13:17]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 494.94, Best ask: 494.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 494.94, 24 hour volume: 23878.21163108, 24 hour low: 455.07, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.900683671	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	moving up in the world.	[13:17]
fluffypony	yeah, will take a bit of doing to get through the wall at 500	[13:18]
moiety	why do I never get the ping timeout thing? is it my client?	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete: Isn't moiety only getting 1 bitcent an hour? and this dude wants 100x that << if people could make a bitcoin/hour sitting in a us prison we'd definitely need to increase the block rewards.	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	moiety yes.	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	;;seen anarkitty	[13:19]
gribble	I have not seen anarkitty.	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony lol so she's just not said anything ?	[13:19]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: she wasn't voiced	[13:19]
fluffypony	so when she got here and tried to talk...lol...	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	o i c	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	i guess remarkably patient girl then huh.	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: TradeFortress is now known as "Free hugs! ♥" on scamtalk << why is it always the scammers that push the purely formal "be nice to people" angle ? o wait! because that's how mimicry works, and that's what they are!	[13:21]
moiety	weev said himself “because it's fucking hilarious to demand money from feds for a McVeigh Memorial grove,” adding “I honestly think we need to build statues of them just to piss off federal agents really.”	[13:25]
moiety	and i still dont believe he is a scammer.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	who, weev ?	[13:26]
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moiety	no tf	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	didn't he run off with a bunch of bitcoinz ?	[13:30]
fluffypony	he "lost" 4200 Bitcoins	[13:30]
moiety	i don't think he did though and i believe he reimbursed what he could out of his own funds	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	...	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/tx/eb37287bdebf6b52553f1538e7c46e0ec4f1cd4701d5c17ad9f6047a0fa52814 you mean this ?	[13:31]
assbot	Bitcoin Transaction eb37287bdebf6b52553f1538e7c46e0ec4f1cd4701d5c17ad9f6047a0fa52814	[13:31]
moiety	i wasn't really watching the forum through all of this, i knew him in a different capacity	[13:31]
pankkake	he probably lost them throught CoinLenders. still a scam, running a fractionnal reserve is a scam	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	moiety like... your bf ?	[13:31]
moiety	no lol	[13:32]
moiety	i was a mod at coinchat then he just gave the thing to me when he left	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	pankkake that's easily believable	[13:32]
moiety	cus everyone flipped out when it went offline	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	hardly an argument now is it kitten.	[13:33]
moiety	no, not an argument, just what i feel	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah. the problem is that this take in 4k btc, take a vacation for half a year then come back and split a btc or two to the idiots is really very good business.	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	and if it becomes socially acceptable bitcoin will become entirely sealed off to the poor.	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	even as it is they have a hard time.	[13:34]
moiety	lots of people close due to hacks (whether true or not) and don't reimburse anything	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	and none of them may come back, ever again, in any capacity.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	sooner or later people will come to the realisation that reputation is worth a helluva lot than money,	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	which was in fact truth, plain as day, for as long as the state was weak and the hansa and its successor guilds ruled supreme.	[13:36]
fluffypony	moiety	[13:36]
fluffypony	the problem is	[13:36]
fluffypony	it's hard to say with any degree of certainty that he didn't con people out	[13:36]
cazalla	tradefortress was on national tv talking about the loss, almost having a laugh	[13:36]
fluffypony	of their Bitcoin	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	cazalla he's an aussie ?	[13:37]
cazalla	yeah	[13:37]
cazalla	well, lives/lived here, probably an asian student	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	o another one huh.	[13:37]
cazalla	i'll see if i can find the recording	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	good idea	[13:38]
cazalla	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-08/bitcoin-site-hacked-founder-says/5078148 audio	[13:38]
assbot	Australian bitcoin user TradeFortress says site hacked, $1 million in virtual currency stolen - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)	[13:38]
moiety	i know fluffypony it's just too hard for me to believe that	[13:38]
fluffypony	moiety: let me put it this way	[13:38]
fluffypony	for that amount of money even the most straight-laced individual would have a hard time not wanting to lift a little	[13:38]
fluffypony	and once you've stolen a little it snowballs into "how can I steal the whole lot"	[13:39]
fluffypony	the reason this doesn't happen in big companies is because of the number of people involved	[13:39]
fluffypony	you'd have to collude with so many	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony except itdoes happen in big companies.	[13:39]
fluffypony	when you have 1 person holding millions?	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	the only reason it doesn't happen, as long as it doesn't, is that they don't actually have access to it.	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	basic corp governance, nobody may write checks on the corp account.	[13:40]
fluffypony	yes exactly	[13:40]
fluffypony	old school version of multi-sig	[13:40]
fluffypony	:-P	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	not even	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	see, you simply can not write a check. at all. no sig whatsoever	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	corp only pays specific types of things to specific types of people and that's that.	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	which is why random nobodies can't b2b. because for the corp, it's too much like simply being stolen from	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	so you gotta have a big corp to sell overpriced shit to another big corp	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	it's a whole bezzle.	[13:41]
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mircea_popescu	!up bitcoingirl	[13:41]
-assbot-	You voiced bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.	[13:41]
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mircea_popescu	this happens to also be why i'm quite so powerful. sure there's other people with money on twitter, VCs or whatnot.	[13:42]
bitcoingirl	Mircea I have some questions for you	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	the difference is that i can write a check for ten millioin dollars to a stripper, if i feel like it	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	they... not.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl ok but make it quick cause i gotta go to town in a few minutes.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	or if not, later today.	[13:43]
bitcoingirl	can we go to private chate	[13:43]
bitcoingirl	chat	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	go ahead	[13:43]
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bitcoingirl	is it gribble?	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	lol you go /query mircea_popescu nooblet	[13:44]
fluffypony	moiety: and just to re-iterate, I don't know the guy, so I'm not judging his character either way, I'm just saying that anyone with sole control over that amount of money would have a tough time staying honest	[13:44]
BingoBoingo	I just can't get over TF losing a decade from his age by becoming insolvent.	[13:45]
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fluffypony	lol	[13:46]
fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/ONFRysx.jpg	[13:46]
moiety	i totally understand that. I'm the way I am because I didn't know the business of it all, i knew the character and thats why it's so hard for me to believe	[13:46]
cazalla	TF probably finished his degree and like a lot of international students, pull a fast one on credit cards etc etc and piss off back home to avoid paying back the debt	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	!up anarkitty	[13:46]
-assbot-	You voiced anarkitty for 30 minutes.	[13:46]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla has an excellent theory, i had no idea he's another zhou tong	[13:47]
fluffypony	moiety: whenever someone gets arrested for huge amounts of fraud, pedophilia, whatever, they interview all his neighbours and friends and they're always like "we're so shocked, he's such a nice guy!"	[13:47]
fluffypony	most of the people I'd trust with any portion of my money are not particularly "nice" people. Approachable, sure, and always reasonable, but not nice by any definition of the term.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	hey, makes two of us	[13:48]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[13:51]
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gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 494.68, Best ask: 496.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 494.68, 24 hour volume: 23910.36995140, 24 hour low: 455.2, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 484.977061657	[13:51]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell anarkitty hey there. ima be out for a few hours, but please don't go anywhere, i wanna talk to you whjen i'm back. you can talk to me directly by going /query mircea_popescu whether you have voice or not.	[13:54]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:54]
bitcoingirl	does anyone have a guess on what drove the price up 10% yesterday?	[13:54]
BingoBoingo	http://gizmodo.com/a-guillotine-on-a-stick-that-lets-you-play-caesar-with-1579134087	[13:54]
assbot	A Guillotine On a Stick That Lets You Play Caesar With Slugs	[13:54]
BingoBoingo	bitcoingirl: It was probably people on twitter telling Gavin to shut up that did it.	[13:55]
bitcoingirl	you sure it wasn't the Fox Business interview?	[13:56]
fluffypony	bitcoingirl: it was rallymoad	[13:56]
fluffypony	the reality is that the market is poised for movement	[13:56]
fluffypony	and then someone tried to start a rally, wasn't massively successful, but it picked up a bit of steam	[13:57]
fluffypony	broke through the wall at 475, and stopped short of breaking through 500	[13:57]
bitcoingirl	how does someone try to start a rally? what did they do exactly to move the market?	[13:57]
fluffypony	bitcoingirl: buy a significant quantity of Bitcoins, setup structured buy walls below market value to create the illusion of demand, all sorts of things can be done to try get it going	[13:58]
fluffypony	the market either reacts or it doesn't	[13:58]
fluffypony	and it can turn on them just as quickly as succeed	[13:58]
bitcoingirl	what are buy walls?	[13:59]
fluffypony	still, at 3 day scale the MACD looks promising	[13:59]
chetty	http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/05/20/charles-plosser-thinks-theres-a-ticking-time-bomb-at-the-fed/	[13:59]
assbot	Charles Plosser thinks there’s a ticking time bomb at the Fed - Capitol Report - MarketWatch	[13:59]
fluffypony	bitcoingirl: like if someone puts up a bunch of offers to buy Bitcoin at $450 each totalling $200k, when the market is at $460, that's a buy wall	[14:00]
fluffypony	it can make sellers move their offers up higher because they think it's an indicator of demand	[14:00]
fluffypony	but it can also backfire and people can sell into the buy wall faster than the trader can pull it	[14:00]
BingoBoingo	Trying to shape supply and demand can be a way to lose a lot of money quickly though.	[14:01]
fluffypony	^^	[14:01]
bitcoingirl	and where was this happening yesterday?	[14:01]
fluffypony	bitcoingirl: the movement started on Bitstamp	[14:01]
bitcoingirl	and where was this happening yesterday??	[14:02]
fluffypony	wait, didn't I just answer that?	[14:02]
bitcoingirl	yes sorry	[14:03]
bitcoingirl	where would you monitor the price if your trading on bitstamp	[14:03]
fluffypony	lots of traders have tools they've bought / built / whatever	[14:03]
fluffypony	for the casual observer such as myself	[14:03]
fluffypony	https://bitcoinwisdom.com	[14:03]
assbot	BitcoinWisdom - Live Bitcoin/Litecoin charts	[14:03]
fluffypony	use a 3d or 1d (3 day / 1 day) scale to get a more macrocosmic view	[14:04]
fluffypony	and in Settings turn the MACD indicator on	[14:04]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[14:04]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 497.0, vol: 23912.05813220 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 486.66, vol: 13113.52364 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 495.4, vol: 18927.31535076 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 500.38, vol: 116.33922507 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 492.354216, vol: 5361.20070000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 490.84583, vol: 24.23311087 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 495.9725, vol: 200.09617222 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[14:04]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[14:04]
gribble	493.906224162	[14:04]
bitcoingirl	what is this gribble that keeps coming up?	[14:05]
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fluffypony	especially at a 3 day scale the MACD seems to indicate that some upward movement is due...or it'll just settle back down	[14:05]
fluffypony	the market is a fickle beast	[14:05]
BingoBoingo	bitcoingirl: It's a bot that reports information.	[14:05]
BingoBoingo	It also manages the Web of Trust	[14:05]
bitcoingirl	and how is it useful?	[14:06]
moiety	saves you roaming around, you can do a lot in-channel	[14:06]
bitcoingirl	sorry if these seem like dumb questions - I'm just jumping in WOT	[14:06]
BingoBoingo	;;gettrust assbot moiety	[14:06]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user moiety: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=moiety \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety \| Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014	[14:06]
fluffypony	bitcoingirl: which part, the market info from gribble?	[14:06]
moiety	how?	[14:06]
moiety	urgh	[14:06]
bitcoingirl	right all these prices and volumes	[14:07]
BingoBoingo	assbot is the other useful bot	[14:07]
BingoBoingo	!t glbse nyan	[14:07]
assbot	The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.	[14:07]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.nsa	[14:07]
assbot	[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013 / 0.00013 / 0.00013 (3150 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.00013 / 0.00014409 / 0.00015 (11359 shares, 1.64 BTC)	[14:07]
bitcoingirl	what does that mean ^^	[14:07]
moiety	;;ident	[14:08]
gribble	Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None	[14:08]
moiety	gribble must have had a huff while i was asleep?	[14:08]
BingoBoingo	assbot pulls up tickers for various bitcoin related assets	[14:08]
fluffypony	moiety: probably	[14:08]
BingoBoingo	It also manages voice in channel	[14:08]
BingoBoingo	!up Periscope	[14:09]
bitcoingirl	got it.	[14:09]
moiety	i usually check ident when i wake up too, and this morning i just thought, nah it'll be fine lol	[14:09]
bitcoingirl	if i want to short BTC, what would be a good strategy?	[14:09]
fluffypony	bitcoingirl: every time I've tried doing any sort of short-term trading I've lost money...I'd avoid that space unless you have tons of experience	[14:10]
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bitcoingirl	+fluffypony: so how are you making money?	[14:11]
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fluffypony	!up bitcoingirl	[14:11]
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bitcoingirl	where is the assbot? how does it work	[14:12]
fluffypony	bitcoingirl: I'm a major shareholder in a group of companies	[14:12]
fluffypony	from before Bitcoin existed :)	[14:12]
bitcoingirl	what? how does that work?	[14:12]
bitcoingirl	in bitcoin companies?	[14:12]
fluffypony	nope	[14:12]
bitcoingirl	oh	[14:12]
bitcoingirl	how do you make money trading bitcoin?	[14:12]
fluffypony	I don't, I buy and hold	[14:12]
bitcoingirl	so you're long and bullish	[14:13]
fluffypony	exactly	[14:13]
bitcoingirl	do you ever sell?	[14:13]
fluffypony	sure, occasionally and for very specific reasons	[14:13]
bitcoingirl	like what for example?	[14:13]
fluffypony	but I share bitcoinpete's view	[14:13]
fluffypony	lemme grab that quote from him	[14:14]
fluffypony	here	[14:15]
fluffypony	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/02/25/matters-of-bitcoin-merchant-adoption/	[14:15]
assbot	On Matters of Merchant Adoption \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[14:15]
fluffypony	this part: "I learned it last summer when I spent 3 BTC on a $450 case of wine in Kelowna. Today, I could’ve bought that case for 0.64 BTC, and probably more like 0.1 BTC before long, then 0.001 BTC, etc."	[14:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0325 = 0.1625 BTC [-]	[14:17]
Apocalyptic	if i want to short BTC, what would be a good strategy? // borrow them from someone	[14:17]
punkman	or bet here http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/	[14:17]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1120.86 B (86%) on Yes, 186.18 B (14%) on No \| closing in 8 months 4 weeks \| weight: 80`354 (100`000 to 1)	[14:18]
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Naphex	/last Naphex	[14:29]
Naphex	eek	[14:29]
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pankkake	if irsii, a tip: /last -hilight -new	[14:30]
pankkake	hm, it's lastlog. so not irssi	[14:31]
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Naphex	irssi actually	[14:32]
Naphex	last is aliased	[14:32]
Naphex	:P	[14:32]
Naphex	Irssi 0.8.16-rc1 (20140111) - http://irssi.org/	[14:33]
assbot	Irssi - The client of the future	[14:33]
BingoBoingo	Look at the pretense http://theamericanbitcoincompany.com/	[14:37]
fluffypony	the most trusted name in Bitcoin?	[14:37]
BingoBoingo	First, best, only	[14:39]
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fluffypony	all their cards look like poor Amex knockoffs	[14:42]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: And what do the cards even do?	[14:44]
fluffypony	I think it's like a membership card	[14:44]
BingoBoingo	http://theamericanbitcoincompany.com/wallets/	[14:45]
assbot	Wallet Services \| American Bitcoin Inc.	[14:45]
fluffypony	"hey look how cool I am, member of the American Bitcoin elite, proud Foundation bronze member, free Ross Ulbricht!"	[14:45]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: that paragraph breaks my brain	[14:46]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Click one of their register buttons and see how they accept payment	[14:46]
Apocalyptic	fluffypony, funny thing it does no longer do that on me	[14:46]
Apocalyptic	must have seen too many of them	[14:47]
fluffypony	checkout with paypal...lol...	[14:47]
BingoBoingo	Or Coinbase!	[14:49]
Naphex	quick #bitcoin-assets poll: Second FIAT currency, EUR or USD?:D	[14:52]
fluffypony	after rubles?	[14:53]
Naphex	after Romanian LEU	[14:53]
fluffypony	EUR, imho	[14:54]
BingoBoingo	RMB!	[14:54]
BingoBoingo	China has to trade somewhere	[14:54]
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dexX7	theamericanbitcoincompany.com vs "american bitcoin >community" lol	[15:06]
dexX7	what's that anyway? foundation 2.0?	[15:06]
chetty	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/us-ebay-password-idUSBREA4K0B420140521	[15:06]
assbot	Ebay asks all users to change passwords\| Reuters	[15:06]
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BingoBoingo	dexX7: Broke ass thing that aspires to be what the foundation imagines it is	[15:07]
dexX7	so is it legit?	[15:07]
Duffer1	sounds about as legit as the first one	[15:08]
Duffer1	no i dunno, i've never heard of them until just now	[15:09]
dexX7	hehe	[15:09]
pankkake	I tried to change my eBay password a few weeks ago. I didn't work.	[15:09]
dexX7	ouch	[15:10]
fluffypony	I just changed mine	[15:11]
thestringpuller	fluffypony: you watch that video yet	[15:12]
dexX7	worked for me, too	[15:12]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: no, it's on my list, day got away from me a little	[15:15]
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moiety	my internet just had a tantrum and fucked off for a minute or two	[15:26]
moiety	i can't remember my ebay password and I'm locked out of my google account to reset it	[15:27]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, the perils of relying on other people's computers for so much.	[15:33]
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dub	check if your password is on tpb	[15:49]
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danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, why shouldn't my wallet be with my full node?	[15:53]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: I like the idea of separating roles.	[15:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1910 @ 0.00011557 = 0.2207 BTC [+] {2}	[15:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00599991 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}	[15:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47949 = 0.959 BTC [+]	[15:58]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, how would I send a transaction then?	[16:01]
danielpbarron	does bitcoind let me create a transaction on one machine, and sign it on another/	[16:01]
BingoBoingo	You pass it to the node. bitcoind could probably be abused into doing that. Armory does that well. Electrum effectively does that if you only have it connect to the node at 127.0.0.1	[16:02]
BingoBoingo	Or whatever the other machine is.	[16:03]
BingoBoingo	I think electrum has an offline solution for transaction signing.	[16:03]
danielpbarron	i don't want to use electrum or armory	[16:03]
danielpbarron	is there any command line option?	[16:04]
BingoBoingo	I haven't dug into bitcoind that much. I just run it as a dumb node, making sure it plays nice with the network and then largely letting it be.	[16:05]
danielpbarron	it sounds like the thing I want has yet to be written	[16:08]
BingoBoingo	There's probably a command line option to push a raw transaction on the network in bitcoind.	[16:09]
dexX7	danielpbarron: this is possible, but difficult with bitcoind because it doesn't let you sign unless you synced completely afaik	[16:10]
dexX7	might be worth to check out https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib which allows signing	[16:10]
assbot	petertodd/python-bitcoinlib GitHub	[16:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0224999 = 0.4275 BTC [-]	[16:15]
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danielpbarron	assbot is definitely not posting MPEX stuff; all I've seen for the last 24 hours is havelock trades	[16:25]
BingoBoingo	http://www.oreilly.com/pub/e/3059	[16:33]
assbot	Webcast: Beyond Security: Getting to Know OpenBSD's Real Purpose	[16:33]
artifexd	moiety: My understanding is that there are two definitions of "scammer". One from the business owner's point of view (dishonesty or theft). One from the investor's point of view (failure to pay obligations). The popular view here is from the investor's point of view because it doesn't matter why someone didn't pay their obligations. That person should not	[16:34]
artifexd	be trusted with further money.	[16:34]
moiety	ok	[16:36]
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artifexd	fluffypony: I tend to share benkay's view of bitcoin. Specifically from here: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html	[16:38]
assbot	Bitcoiners Upset at Apple Understand Neither Apple's Business Model nor Bitcoin	[16:38]
artifexd	"Furthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB	[16:39]
artifexd	cable5 and a gun to scare you off your phone is the height of idiocy."	[16:39]
fluffypony	lol	[16:39]
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jurov	"BREAKING: Bitcoin conference participants robbed with USB cable on gunpoint"	[16:45]
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BingoBoingo	Let us never forget Tortilla's conference where he lost thousands of bitcoins to a sauna	[16:49]
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BingoBoingo	%book	[16:50]
atcbot	0k@285 63k@278 25k@277 \| 33k@187 55k@156 10k@155	[16:50]
pankkake	%diff	[16:51]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149204.27 in 687 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.23	[16:51]
jurov	http://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=smart_girl.jpg hahaha	[16:55]
assbot	Roumenv Rouming - Zbavn a zajmav obrzky - smart girl	[16:55]
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mod6	lol smh	[16:57]
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chetty	The Obama administration has quietly adjusted key provisions of its signature healthcare law to potentially make billions of additional taxpayer dollars available to the insurance industry if companies providing coverage through the Affordable Care Act lose money.	[16:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.03896326 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {2}	[16:59]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=375643.0	[17:03]
assbot	I AM HODLING \| Bitcointa.lk	[17:03]
mike_c	asciilifeform: variant 1 - powerful machine, must sing, like 'harley davidson'; << how else do you know it's working!	[17:03]
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mike_c	machines gotta earn their keep	[17:04]
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mike_c	kakobrekla: note busted link in log because it is hyperlinking the parantheses	[17:07]
mike_c	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2014#684030	[17:07]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[17:07]
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moiety	ffs my net keeps going off	[17:09]
artifexd	mike_c: I also changed the bot to not put the links in parenthesis. Thanks for pointing that out.	[17:11]
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mike_c	ah	[17:13]
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dexX7	danielpbarron: oh hey, correction: you actually can quite easily sign raw transactions offline with bitcoind, but you need to supply the scriptpubkey of inputs, see http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bxrEyqbt for an example	[17:17]
thestringpuller	punkman: hey you around?	[17:19]
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punkman	thestringpuller: ja	[17:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [+]	[17:29]
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asciilifeform	http://gizmodo.com/the-fbi-is-struggling-to-hire-hackers-who-dont-smoke-we-1579183208	[17:31]
assbot	The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed	[17:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]	[17:34]
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danielpbarron	cool, thanks dexX7	[17:36]
chetty	http://blog.thomsonreuters.com/?p=32205	[17:38]
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punkman	""I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals, and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview,""	[17:38]
punkman	lol	[17:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00412962 = 0.5369 BTC [-] {6}	[17:38]
mike_c	is the problem that the cyber criminals have better weed?	[17:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00409875 = 0.4919 BTC [-] {2}	[17:39]
punkman	yeah the gov-approved weed is crap	[17:40]
kakobrekla	ist gov approve crap ?	[17:40]
kakobrekla	isnt	[17:40]
kakobrekla	bah.	[17:40]
chetty	hmm doesn't gubermint approved= bad for you?	[17:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00415503 = 0.4155 BTC [+]	[17:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1017 @ 0.00402367 = 4.0921 BTC [-] {7}	[17:43]
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punkman	http://www.thecannabist.co/2014/05/06/u-s-government-grow-1430-pounds-weed-dea-registered-research/11281/	[17:44]
assbot	U.S. government to grow 1,430 pounds of weed for DEA-registered research	[17:44]
kakobrekla	;;google 1430 pounds in kg	[17:44]
gribble	2011 World's Strongest man- Squat Lift- Zydrunas Savickas - YouTube: ; Leg press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Terrafugia Transition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[17:44]
kakobrekla	ok.	[17:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.03343256 = 2.3403 BTC [+] {3}	[17:45]
dub	;;calc 1430*2.2	[17:45]
gribble	3146	[17:45]
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dub	;;calc 1430/2.2	[17:45]
gribble	650	[17:46]
dub	even	[17:46]
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dub	smoked too much weed to remember weed conversion tables	[17:46]
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punkman	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_Investigational_New_Drug_program	[17:46]
assbot	Compassionate Investigational New Drug program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[17:46]
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pankkake	kakobrekla: GNU Units	[17:47]
kakobrekla	mhm	[17:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.095 = 1.425 BTC [+]	[17:49]
dub	9 ounces a month is some smoking	[17:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.03372386 = 1.6862 BTC [+] {7}	[17:52]
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BingoBoingo	dub: But if it is crappy government weed...	[17:52]
punkman	the Mississippi guy started with mexican ditchweed	[17:53]
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dub	thats a joint every hour 15 hours a day	[17:55]
kakobrekla	dont they take it orally?	[17:55]
punkman	I like the can they give them: https://www.theweedblog.com/wp-content/uploads//Federal-Medical-Marijuana-Can-300x300.jpg	[17:56]
dub	yeah you inhale through your mouth generally	[17:56]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: The government only approves suppositories	[17:56]
kakobrekla	lol	[17:56]
dub	9oz of suppository	[17:56]
punkman	that's goatse territory	[17:57]
kakobrekla	meh prerolled shit	[17:57]
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BingoBoingo	!up soros	[17:58]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:58]
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gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 491.53, Best ask: 491.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 491.8, 24 hour volume: 21195.10084630, 24 hour low: 469.64, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 486.155141349	[17:58]
kakobrekla	o look its george	[17:58]
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dub	th ecanned joints are 0.5g so 17 joints/dey	[18:00]
soros	^^ hello gents	[18:00]
dub	thats like dub at 18 territory	[18:01]
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dub	getting close at least	[18:01]
BingoBoingo	17 times a day is rather often to put something up up the ass.	[18:04]
kakobrekla	what brings you soros ?	[18:05]
pankkake	well then there's a market for an automated suppository gun, in the form of a butt plug	[18:06]
kakobrekla	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/05/19/data-pirates-caribbean-nsa-recording-every-cell-phone-call-bahamas/	[18:07]
assbot	Data Pirates of the Caribbean: The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas - The Intercept	[18:07]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.katu.com/news/local/Womans-car-attacked-by-self-identified-high-elf-battling-evil-259598811.html	[18:13]
assbot	Woman's car attacked by self-identified 'high elf' battling evil \| Local & Regional \| KATU.com - Portland News, Sports, Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland, Oregon	[18:13]
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soros	kakobrekla: nothing particular, thinking of merging that foundation of mine with TBF	[18:13]
kakobrekla	foundwhat with what?	[18:14]
BingoBoingo	soros: What's your foundation? Basement, slab, pier and post?	[18:14]
BingoBoingo	http://www.wired.com/2014/05/snowden-cryptoparty/	[18:16]
assbot	Snowden’s First Move Against the NSA Was a Party in Hawaii \| Threat Level \| WIRED	[18:16]
rithm	https://app.box.com/s/1xbjbx9qiaua7xpyh94w	[18:18]
assbot	Bitcoin2014_AnnualMembersMeetingTranscript.pdf - Datei ber Box freigegeben	[18:18]
moiety	if i have to eauth one more time today imma eat gribble	[18:18]
chetty	http://marketrealist.com/2014/05/george-soros-soros-fund-sells-stakes-jpmorgan-chase-citigroup/	[18:20]
assbot	George Soros' fund sells its stake in JPMorgan Chase in 1Q14 » Market Realist	[18:20]
thestringpuller	moiety: heh, you don't have a bouncer?	[18:20]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-difficulty-update/	[18:21]
assbot	Bitcoin difficulty update	[18:21]
rithm	dat znc bro	[18:21]
moiety	i thought thats why i didn't ping time out?	[18:21]
moiety	i thought i did	[18:21]
mike_c	has anyone made money ever going short diff? unstoppable force.	[18:22]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Only a few anomalous difficulty BitBets	[18:22]
rithm	there were a few weeks in 2011 where you could short the diff?	[18:22]
rithm	maybe fewer in 2012	[18:22]
soros	kakobrekla: Open Society Foundation with The Bitcoin Foundation	[18:24]
kakobrekla	the only thing you want to do with TBF is to run, as fast and as far as you can.	[18:24]
kakobrekla	not run it, but away.	[18:25]
rithm	run far, far away	[18:25]
rithm	they aren't cashflow positive and they are burning through their initial endowment	[18:25]
rithm	that's what the report says	[18:25]
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BingoBoingo	^	[18:26]
kakobrekla	i was thinking of child porn really.	[18:27]
soros	kakobrekla: quite the contrary, TBF would be a perfect fit to join me and my buddies. in fact, they may already have joined us.. ;)	[18:27]
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fluffypony	except the child molesters, presumably	[18:28]
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BingoBoingo	!up soros	[18:29]
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rithm	oh yeah the brock landers child sex thing too	[18:29]
kakobrekla	i thought we were done wif dat.	[18:29]
BingoBoingo	soros: Is it the Brock Pierce sex thing, srsly	[18:29]
BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/20-million-bees-swarm-delaware-highway-after-tractor-tr-1579475489	[18:32]
assbot	20 Million Bees Swarm Delaware Highway After Tractor-Trailer Crash	[18:32]
kakobrekla	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/18/us-cisco-systems-nsa-idUSBREA4H0C720140518	[18:33]
assbot	Cisco chief urges Obama to curb NSA surveillance activity\| Reuters	[18:33]
kakobrekla	heh	[18:33]
soros	BingoBoingo: not at all, thats just some bonus, i'm more thinking about this http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/george-soros-the-united-states-must-stop-resisting-the-orderly-decline-of-the-dollar-the-coming-global-currency-and-the-new-world-order	[18:33]
assbot	George Soros: The United States Must Stop Resisting The Orderly Decline Of The Dollar, The Coming Global Currency And The New World Order	[18:33]
BingoBoingo	soros: Is this some sort of roleplaying you are trying here http://www.megalomaniac.com/~andrew/funny/bloodcyber.html	[18:34]
assbot	The Saga of Bloodninja	[18:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46004823 BTC [-]	[18:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0042499 = 0.4462 BTC [+]	[18:35]
chetty	oic, soros thinks btc will be the nwo currency :P	[18:35]
soros	chetty: not "will be".. try "is"	[18:36]
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rithm	duh	[18:36]
BingoBoingo	!down soros	[18:37]
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rithm	why else would i have been hoarding bitcoins for years before these retarded millionaires caught on	[18:37]
chetty	:D	[18:38]
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pankkake	!up soros	[18:38]
pankkake	FU assbot	[18:39]
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pankkake	!up soros	[18:39]
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pankkake	!up Anar	[18:40]
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HeySteve	soros, why not the basket of gold, SDRs, rubles, yuan, dollars, etc.?	[18:41]
chetty	;;gettrust soros	[18:43]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user chetty to user soros: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=chetty&dest=soros \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=soros \| Rated since: never	[18:43]
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chetty	!up princessnell	[18:44]
soros	HeySteve: been there, done that	[18:45]
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princessnell	yo peeps	[18:45]
thestringpuller	it's the economist	[18:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.03805341 = 0.9133 BTC [-] {5}	[18:47]
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HeySteve	k soros gl getting central banks to accept loss of control over rates and money supply	[18:50]
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thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[18:51]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0008848 / 0.00090406 / 0.00094991 (467313 shares, 422.48 BTC), 7D: 0.0008848 / 0.00095919 / 0.00100536 (4425468 shares, 4,244.88 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00093955 / 0.00101 (23668180 shares, 22,237.54 BTC)	[18:51]
thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[18:51]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00088856 BTC [-]	[18:51]
benkay	;;later tell bitcoingirl oh, you're shilling for the foundation too now? http://nmllplaw.com/attorneys/marco-a-santori/ << "Bitcoin lawyer"	[18:54]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:54]
assbot	Marco A. Santori	[18:54]
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benkay	o look usg opining about cn/btc: http://origin.www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/USCC%20Economic%20Issue%20Brief%20-%20Bitcoin%20-%2005%2012%2014.pdf	[18:55]
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HeySteve	lol peter schiff has changed his tune about bitcoin	[18:56]
benkay	http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/boc-review-spring14-fung.pdf << apparently the thief David Joseph has yet to make good on being the Canadian government's go-to dood for btc things.	[18:56]
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cgcardona	good morning everyone o/	[18:57]
benkay	;;later tell bitcoingirl a pox on your uncritical republication of fundation noise	[18:57]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:57]
cgcardona	HeySteve: url?	[18:57]
cgcardona	;;ticker	[18:57]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 492.57, Best ask: 493.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 493.32, 24 hour volume: 18368.13937592, 24 hour low: 478.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 486.155141349	[18:57]
benkay	A POX.	[18:58]
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HeySteve	I just got a press release, cgcardona, no link as yet	[18:58]
cgcardona	what's he have to say? How did he change his tune?	[18:58]
HeySteve	oh wait check out his site: http://www.europacmetals.com/	[18:59]
cgcardona	"Well ok there is intrinsic value :p"	[18:59]
assbot	Peter Schiffs Gold Company \| Euro Pacific Precious Metals	[18:59]
HeySteve	http://blog.europacmetals.com/2014/05/euro-pacific-precious-metals-now-accepts-bitcoin/ specifically	[18:59]
assbot	Euro Pacific Precious Metals Now Accepts Bitcoin \| Peter Schiffs Official Gold Blog	[18:59]
cgcardona	oh shit	[18:59]
mjr_	lol	[18:59]
mjr_	we were just talking about that	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42771748 BTC to 8`548 shares, 28401 satoshi per share	[19:00]
HeySteve	heh well better late than never for Peter Schiff I guess. he's one of the saner "talking heads" out there	[19:00]
cgcardona	"PETER SCHIFF—TAKE MY BITCOIN!1!!1" -noone ever	[19:00]
mjr_	hahaha	[19:00]
mjr_	yeah	[19:00]
mjr_	and...i guess if we had to stop and say i told you so to everyone who got bitcoin wrong...	[19:00]
princessnell	heysteve that's not saying much...	[19:00]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Which one was she again?	[19:01]
princessnell	benkay boring perianne is still learning	[19:02]
cgcardona	the valcambi bars are a goldbugs wet dream http://www.europacmetals.com/our-products.aspx	[19:02]
assbot	Our Products	[19:02]
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cgcardona	though entirely not practical	[19:02]
HeySteve	true princessnell. still waiting for paul krugman to come around :P	[19:03]
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princessnell	heysteve they will be first in line for redemption after the rev	[19:03]
fluffypony	http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27503290	[19:05]
assbot	BBC News - eBay makes users change their passwords after hack	[19:05]
cgcardona	yea minimum order of $5000. Where can I buy smaller quanitites of precious metals w/ btc?	[19:05]
cgcardona	i'd love to pick up just a few coins but don't really want to drop $5000	[19:05]
HeySteve	cgcardona, there's amagi metals, coinabul and a few others	[19:06]
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BingoBoingo	Coinabul's a scam	[19:06]
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cgcardona	i thought I had checked out amagi and they also required a min of 200oz of silver. checking now again....	[19:07]
HeySteve	!up coingenuity	[19:08]
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rithm	buying metal with cyprtocurrency is a terrible idea that usually has worked in someone else's favor	[19:09]
rithm	historically that's my perspective	[19:09]
HeySteve	fluffypony, so ebay was hacked Feb - Mar and only found about it now?	[19:09]
fluffypony	ja seems that way	[19:10]
cgcardona	rithm: care to explain?	[19:10]
fluffypony	we all changed our passwords earlier, someone posted a link about an eBay notice going out	[19:10]
fluffypony	didn't know why tho	[19:10]
rithm	the metal loses value as a function of time and the bitcoin does not?	[19:10]
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rithm	historically speaking, since both have only existed for x	[19:10]
rithm	gold might be an anomoly but not by much	[19:11]
cgcardona	yea I'm not thinking of moving from btc to gold as an investment. the bulk of my assets are in btc and will remain there. i was more thinking getting some precious metals just as collectors items.	[19:11]
cgcardona	that's why i only wanna order a couple	[19:11]
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rithm	amagi shipped 10 ounces of gold in 6 days	[19:12]
rithm	that's my only experience	[19:12]
cgcardona	oh ok cool. so they will ship less than 200 oz. great to know. thanks rithm	[19:12]
rithm	silver is worthless	[19:12]
HeySteve	no way, rithm. kills werewolves	[19:13]
cgcardona	haha	[19:14]
rithm	it killed 'em for 35$ and now it kills them at $19	[19:14]
thestringpuller	benkay disco killed the radio	[19:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.03307369 = 0.9922 BTC [-] {5}	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:18]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 494.02, Best ask: 494.22, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 494.02, 24 hour volume: 18063.26901568, 24 hour low: 478.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 491.460861006	[19:18]
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BingoBoingo	!up moiety	[19:20]
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moiety	ty	[19:20]
BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/sailor-convicted-of-hacking-websites-from-aboard-aircraft-carrier/	[19:21]
assbot	Sailor convicted of hacking websites from aboard aircraft carrier \| Ars Technica	[19:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.038 = 0.798 BTC [-]	[19:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0042 = 0.1764 BTC [+] {2}	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/469151314300399617	[19:22]
assbot	74% of Wall Street believes /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash will become an alternative currency, according to Bitcoin Trust survey: http://t.co/ODjtwSV7an	[19:22]
moiety	i think my router had a heart attack today? seems ok now	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoKt_SOIEAAqXCu.jpg << this is pretty lulzy	[19:23]
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kakobrekla	mike_c : patched	[19:25]
mike_c	link test (http://bitbet.us/bet/796/) commenced	[19:28]
kakobrekla	lol	[19:29]
mike_c	cool, thanks	[19:29]
kakobrekla	yw	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	check out lawski guy : http://t.co/LlZyGiji47	[19:29]
assbot	BNP Paribas Risks Client Flight as Ban on Transfers Looms - Businessweek	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	basically the us is turning into venezuela on the rather transparent and quite flimsy pretext of...	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	im not sure even what exactly, was it "money laundering" ?	[19:30]
BingoBoingo	Turrorism	[19:33]
BingoBoingo	Or maybe Turderism	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl: what is this gribble that keeps coming up? << she's adowable isn't she.	[19:33]
danielpbarron	<+BingoBoingo> Coinabul's a scam << someone i deal with is currently waiting for them to ship and it's been weeks or months at this point	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin? << well, anyone can claim anything right ?	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	and the consumer is gonna learn that claiming is not worth much	[19:37]
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mircea_popescu	exactly like the claims of jurisdiction his government keeps making aren't worth much.	[19:37]
kakobrekla	fluffypony: the most trusted name in Bitcoin? < ognasty obv.	[19:37]
BingoBoingo	http://valleywag.gawker.com/airbnb-loves-sharing-so-much-it-agreed-to-subpoena-on-1579561833/+sarah-hedgecock	[19:37]
assbot	Airbnb Loves Sharing So Much, It Agreed to Subpoena On Illegal Hosts	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/us-ebay-password-idUSBREA4K0B420140521 <<< ahahaha.	[19:38]
assbot	EBay says client information stolen in hacking attack\| Reuters	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	SeCuReTee-Hee	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla he meant some "american bitcoin corp" website some kid put up last week	[19:38]
kakobrekla	a dunno	[19:38]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo they had no option, really. theyt're a bunch of party clowns (literally) out to make money.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	the alternative was grand jury indictments.	[19:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course, but it's funny to see that the clowns realized holding out for a grand jury would fall even flatter on their audience	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: assbot is definitely not posting MPEX stuff; all I've seen for the last 24 hours is havelock trades << looking into it	[19:41]
mike_c	fwiw, kako's feed hasn't reported any trades for 27 hours	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	it's... fixed.	[19:44]
mjr_	good morning	[19:44]
danielpbarron	cool, thanks :)	[19:45]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.bbet	[19:45]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00047 / 0.00049937 / 0.00051499 (48838 shares, 24.39 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00050069 / 0.00054 (51695 shares, 25.88 BTC)	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: Let us never forget Tortilla's conference where he lost thousands of bitcoins to a sauna << ahjahaha.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	but he didn't lose anything, he just created drama	[19:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4789999 BTC [+]	[19:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.47952666 = 1.4386 BTC [+] {3}	[19:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 400 @ 0.00047 = 0.188 BTC [-]	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: has anyone made money ever going short diff? unstoppable force. << i think a few bets wonthat way, but still. drop in bucket.	[19:51]
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mircea_popescu	so did y'all teach perianne how to make moneyz shorting bitcoin or what.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	!up moiety	[19:51]
-assbot-	You voiced moiety for 30 minutes.	[19:51]
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mircea_popescu	rithm: they aren't cashflow positive and they are burning through their initial endowment << exactly.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	and they're being crunched on the pr side.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	people familiar with the taking down of gox will perhaps recognise the pattern.	[19:52]
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rithm	sounds unviable to me	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	that'd be because it's not viable.	[19:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.47979 = 1.4394 BTC [+]	[19:53]
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mircea_popescu	princessnell how goes.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve: lol peter schiff has changed his tune about bitcoin << but obviously no apology.	[19:54]
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princessnell	mircea_popescu well enough. assigned to project about how bitcoin will help the poors.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	princessnell: heysteve they will be first in line for redemption after the rev << i was going to say something like that.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	princessnell that is pretty fucktarded. why are you wasting your time ?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	do something useful.	[19:56]
BingoBoingo	princessnell: It will help them by providing better masters.	[19:56]
princessnell	i know i know	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	enough said then.	[19:56]
princessnell	well, i'm also lurking here so it's not a total waste rite rite	[19:56]
BingoBoingo	Also by boosting the sales of sharpie markers	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona there's no way you can't buy gold directly from miners in australia	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	i refuse to believe	[19:57]
cgcardona	w/ bitcoin. not w/ a service i'm aware of. but sure potentially	[19:57]
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cgcardona	plus I'm only looking for some small collectibles. nothing at scale.	[19:58]
cgcardona	*collectables	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	rithm: it killed 'em for 35$ and now it kills them at $19 << epic lmao.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona ah i c.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	get fluffypony to ship you some krugerrands	[19:59]
fluffypony	or buy some physical dogecoins	[19:59]
fluffypony	they'll be a collectors item in 3 years	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	or buy the people holding doge coins.	[20:00]
kakobrekla	they have those now?	[20:00]
pankkake	physical dogecoins, a real shibe with a private key tatooed in the ear?	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	they'll be worthless in 3 years, but they can suck you off in the meanwhile.	[20:00]
fluffypony	https://shibemint.com	[20:00]
assbot	Shibe Mint	[20:00]
cgcardona	I can send back some kahealani niihau ;-]	[20:00]
fluffypony	just minted coins, not actual Dogecoins	[20:00]
HeySteve	I looked at shipping krugerrands but there's a low allowance on what one can send annually	[20:00]
cgcardona	shibe mint -epic fluffypony	[20:00]
pankkake	fluffypony: meh.	[20:00]
HeySteve	I believe any number of gold rounds can be sent, but insurance and shipping charges will be steep	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	HeySteve i imagine the amagi / coinabul / whoever else pays the same exact fees	[20:01]
cgcardona	i'm positive that whichever one was recently on Reddit/bitcoin (i think amagi) requires min of 200oz of silver cause I checked that day.	[20:01]
HeySteve	hmm, that's true. I've been meaning to follow up on gold for bitcoin, we don't mine silver here though	[20:01]
kakobrekla	10 bux for 1 doge	[20:01]
kakobrekla	not a scam as such.	[20:02]
cgcardona	ha	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	pretty ugly fucking things	[20:03]
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mircea_popescu	thye look like they were designed by a 15yo with a pirated illustrator.	[20:03]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: sounds about right	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony so the anarkitty character never said a word huh.	[20:03]
fluffypony	nope	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	weird.	[20:03]
HeySteve	lol @ physical dogecoins. so bad it's good, I want one	[20:04]
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ThickAsThieves	Sup	[20:05]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: How was Amsterdam	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	pretty cool	[20:06]
cgcardona	more like amsterDAMN	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	got a cold though	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	almost over it	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	all that inhaling i guess	[20:06]
cgcardona	:)	[20:07]
cgcardona	i was there in 2005 for the high times cannabis cup. i'd like to go back when it's warmer	[20:07]
cgcardona	and not with high times.	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	had to turn down a few government jobs since my visit ;)	[20:08]
cgcardona	heh	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	the weather was great	[20:08]
cgcardona	not the fbi anymore ! http://gizmodo.com/the-fbi-is-struggling-to-hire-hackers-who-dont-smoke-we-1579183208	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	it didnt get very cold at night so everyone was out all night	[20:08]
assbot	The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	many lights shining on the canals	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[20:08]
cgcardona	damn I'm jealous. sounds great	[20:08]
moiety	i hope you took pictures ThickAsThieves	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	not really	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	just some lame conference ones	[20:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00093352 = 15.1697 BTC [+] {4}	[20:09]
moiety	:[ but but lights	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not one for scenery pictures	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	enough people out there documenting everything now	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	dont need my pictures of pretty lights	[20:10]
cgcardona	God the Pretty Lights show I say in Dec in SF was off the freaking hook	[20:10]
cgcardona	he was touring w/ a full band. Very insane.	[20:10]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: wb	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	i started writing an elaborate theory about systems and economies and bitcoin and reputation	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	need to go back and see if it was high genius or just highness	[20:12]
BingoBoingo	http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/05/26/140526fa_fact_labi	[20:12]
assbot	Nadya Labi: How a Militia Grew on a Military Base : The New Yorker	[20:12]
chetty	eBay today revealed that attackers "compromised a database containing encrypted passwords and other non-financial data" between late February and early March. The database included names, e-mail addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, and dates of birth.	[20:13]
benkay	no more passwords	[20:16]
benkay	pubkeys only	[20:16]
benkay	everyone must gee pee gee	[20:16]
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benkay	"everybody must get hashed"	[20:17]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623021	[20:17]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:17]
benkay	(dylan)	[20:17]
chetty	Woman Refused Medicine Because ObamaCare System Says She Is a Man	[20:17]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The good old days	[20:17]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: notice that every single time they try a 'wrecker,' he's dumb as a brick.	[20:18]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course. They tend to be more open to suggestion.	[20:18]
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BingoBoingo	http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/05/21/1226241/step-toward-liberating-electronic-devices-from-their-power-cords	[20:23]
assbot	Step Toward Liberating Electronic Devices From Their Power Cords - Slashdot	[20:23]
BingoBoingo	Laser Pistol fire in the streets inches closer.	[20:23]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#621910	[20:25]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:25]
BingoBoingo	According to one soldier interviewed by the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command, “The entire S-2 section”—the intelligence group in Aguigui’s squadron—“had knowledge of Aguigui’s plans and many were willing to be a part of it.”	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	ahh, minty lemonade made out of your own mint from your own garden.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	by your own womenz from your own basement	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	lief.	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	so ya'll are leaving Ro huh	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	aye	[20:33]
Duffer1	new zealand sounds nice	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	do you know where to yet?	[20:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00093283 = 3.4515 BTC [-]	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	course i know where to	[20:35]
penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/21/why-garden-so-you-can-write-cheques-to-strippers/	[20:35]
assbot	Why Garden? So You Can Write Cheques To Strippers. \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[20:35]
pankkake	extradited to the USA?	[20:35]
fluffypony	hah hah	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:35]
fluffypony	someone should spread the rumour	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	extradepred	[20:35]
fluffypony	Jimmothy is going to eat it up	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	leak it to Coindesk	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	well honestly... if i get a bitcoin a day, like weev...	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	why the hell not.	[20:36]
Duffer1	MP is satoshi and is being extradited to US!	[20:36]
Duffer1	i knew it all along	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	i could use some peace and quiet to write.	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin/hr	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves a yes my bad.	[20:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.479795 = 1.9192 BTC [+] {2}	[20:36]
fluffypony	Satoshi Nakamoto = SN = NS backwards = N->M and S->P	[20:37]
fluffypony	also, Half Life 3 confirmed	[20:37]
Duffer1	ha	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	sit in the shade 3-4 years, write a coupla books and another 10k trilema posts, come out with moar bitcoins than well... hm.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	i guess im not the right guy for this deal.	[20:38]
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BingoBoingo	All of the sad girls waiting in your basement...	[20:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00093544 = 8.6996 BTC [+] {2}	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	they're coming with, what.	[20:41]
pankkake	on the subject of "where to", blog of a friend: http://countryshopping.blogspot.com/	[20:41]
assbot	Country shopping	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	airplane has a cargo hold for a reason.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	lol turdsicle	[20:41]
punkman	moving the harem can't be easy	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	why ? they keep in shape, lithe gals.	[20:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225 = 0.1125 BTC [+]	[20:49]
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kakobrekla	http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/05/21/belgium-bans-bitcoin-financial-products-in-bitcoin-prohibted-deadline-july1st/	[20:52]
assbot	Belgium bans Bitcoin Financial products in Bitcoin prohibted – deadline July1st \| The Bitcoin News - Decentralised Bitcoin and Crypto News	[20:52]
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fluffypony	this is good news!	[20:52]
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pankkake	"Goofy drama aside - wish him all the best. Even if controversial, would donate to a legal fund aimed at preventing extradition and assume a good few others would, too."	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.10838749 = 0.4335 BTC [-] {3}	[21:08]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: Link?	[21:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.00425481 = 2.255 BTC [+] {8}	[21:10]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.msg6858224#msg6858224	[21:11]
assbot	MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges	[21:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00093566 = 5.0993 BTC [+]	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.00570066 = 0.8551 BTC [+] {3}	[21:11]
BingoBoingo	lol	[21:12]
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asciilifeform	pankkake: that forum still exists? and, what does one have to smoke, to make sense of it ?	[21:18]
pankkake	should be subtitled "for entertainment only"	[21:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00093283 = 7.2761 BTC [-]	[21:20]
Duffer1	Transistor is my new favorite thing, this game is amazin	[21:24]
Duffer1	g	[21:24]
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pankkake	someone sent me 0.001 BTC to an address I only used to widthdraw from Cryptsy	[21:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00443 = 0.1728 BTC [+]	[21:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2505 @ 0.00093283 = 2.3367 BTC [-]	[21:30]
mike_c	that's expensive tracer dust	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	pankkake apparently kluge reads the logs. who knewe.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	in other news, https://twitter.com/skgreen/status/469179655954915328	[21:35]
assbot	"You are more likely to die in a plane crash than click on a banner ad." /msweezey at /hashtag/wistiafest?src=hash	[21:35]
princessnell	;;later tell bitcoinpete hayek and #b-a is a killer combo	[21:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:35]
pankkake	mike_c: yeah, and it doesn't trace anything now. paid for more than the tx fee to move it	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	i don't grasp the concept of "tracer dust" anyway.	[21:37]
mike_c	heh :)	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	what's it supposed to do again ?	[21:37]
mike_c	mingle with your funds? see where they go?	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	oh in the sense it's going to end up in a composite tx ?	[21:37]
mike_c	but why couldn't they just do that with the funds already there.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[21:37]
pankkake	that would only make sense if the address was empty, but used before, I guess	[21:38]
pankkake	but in that case, it wasn't	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	i suppose you can inadvertently show two addresses as being in the same wallet, this way. except a) why would you not keep multiple wallets if you want this and b) why wouldn't you fake it just to mess with the tracer	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	not like either is hard to od	[21:38]
pankkake	https://twitter.com/skgreen/status/469179655954915328 that's the one	[21:39]
assbot	"You are more likely to die in a plane crash than click on a banner ad." /msweezey at /hashtag/wistiafest?src=hash	[21:39]
pankkake	uh, wrong copypaste	[21:39]
pankkake	https://blockchain.info/tx/771a80f9c62f971a8dd02fa342f5c1856c8b39a7d5d7feb527489984f651670a	[21:39]
assbot	Bitcoin Transaction 771a80f9c62f971a8dd02fa342f5c1856c8b39a7d5d7feb527489984f651670a	[21:39]
mike_c	some kind of dividend payment?	[21:40]
pankkake	but doesn't explain why I got it	[21:42]
fluffypony	did you buy shares in their mining thing?	[21:46]
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thestringpuller	I'm going to go to build a bear and build a fluffypony	[21:51]
fluffypony	SWEET	[21:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 638 @ 0.0009308 = 0.5939 BTC [-]	[21:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 37 @ 0.12856755 = 4.757 BTC [+] {5}	[22:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00443 = 0.1418 BTC [+]	[22:08]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/05/wang-indictment.pdf	[22:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.000932 = 6.99 BTC [+]	[22:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.03942322 = 7.8846 BTC [+] {6}	[22:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2890 @ 0.00011599 = 0.3352 BTC [+]	[22:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2026 @ 0.00093079 = 1.8858 BTC [-] {2}	[22:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.000932 = 5.592 BTC [+]	[22:31]
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chetty	http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/05/21/barron-boston-court-appeals-vote-column/9376913/	[22:44]
assbot	Drone memo author doesn't understand justice : Column	[22:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 237 @ 0.095 = 22.515 BTC [+]	[22:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.095 = 9.5 BTC [+] {2}	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	!up stompysteve	[22:53]
-assbot-	You voiced stompysteve for 30 minutes.	[22:53]
*	assbot gives voice to stompysteve	[22:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.095 = 5.51 BTC [+]	[22:57]
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stompysteve	did i get a voice because you like my name :) lol	[23:02]
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HeySteve	forward, steve army	[23:06]
mike_c	i count 4 mikes in channel. bring it steve army.	[23:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093072 = 2.9783 BTC [-]	[23:08]
stompysteve	ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ	[23:08]
HeySteve	steve army may be outnumbered but never outwitted!	[23:08]
stompysteve	plus steve is a better name	[23:09]
mike_c	;;bc,stats	[23:10]
gribble	Current Blocks: 301960 \| Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 \| Next Difficulty In: 439 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 49 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 10489485769.8 \| Estimated Percent Change: 18.47953	[23:10]
HeySteve	later gotta get some exercise	[23:11]
thestringpuller	My name is Stevie irl	[23:11]
thestringpuller	lol	[23:11]
thestringpuller	LONG LIVE THE STEVE ARMY!	[23:11]
mike_c	isn't stevie a girl's name?	[23:11]
pankkake	there's a fair amount of davids too	[23:11]
pankkake	at least you're not steevy http://cdn2-public.ladmedia.fr/var/public/storage/images/look/beaute-coaching/coiffure-de-star-les-pires-coupes-des-mecs-branches-!-28295/coiffure-de-star-les-cheveux-blond-decolore-de-steevy-boulay-28317/237701-1-fre-FR/Coiffure-de-star-les-cheveux-blond-decolore-de-Steevy-Boulay_portrait_w674.jpg	[23:12]
thestringpuller	mike_c: I thought that would be Stephanie	[23:13]
thestringpuller	and what about Stevie Wonder and Stevie Ray Vaughn?	[23:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.095 = 4.94 BTC [+]	[23:13]
mike_c	;;google stevie nicks	[23:13]
gribble	The Nicks Fix - The Official Stevie Nicks Website: ; Stevie Nicks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Stevie Nicks Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com:	[23:13]
mike_c	stevie wonder's real name is stevland	[23:14]
thestringpuller	Yea so the name is androgynous no?	[23:14]
thestringpuller	my real name is Steven	[23:14]
stompysteve	its me steveieeee, stevie janowski	[23:14]
thestringpuller	lolol	[23:14]
stompysteve	i havnt open bitcoinqt in like 5 months it doesnt show how far i am in verifying blocks any idea how long it will take	[23:15]
stompysteve	i thought it showed you a lil loading bar with how far back you were	[23:15]
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stompysteve	nvm it just opened	[23:16]
stompysteve	33 weeks	[23:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]	[23:17]
moiety	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27512421 derp	[23:19]
assbot	BBC News - French rail network admits train blunder	[23:19]
TomServo	sh log	[23:21]
TomServo	hah, oops!	[23:21]
pankkake	SNCF Fret, the business transport of SNCF, also often manages to lose cars	[23:21]
pankkake	SNCF Fret is an endless… trainwreck	[23:22]
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moiety	lose cars?	[23:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4798 = 1.4394 BTC [+]	[23:32]
princessnell	;;later tell bitcoinpete on second thought wade has way bigger balls than i gave him credit for http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/2014/05/21/on-the-origin-of-white-power/ & http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-notes-80/	[23:38]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:38]
assbot	On the Origin of White Power \| The Primate Diaries, Scientific American Blog Network	[23:38]
assbot	Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Quote notes (#80)	[23:38]
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mircea_popescu	you're steeped in stevie	[23:39]
asciilifeform	can't resist asking, mircea_popescu's ship has net access ?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	stompysteve Current Blocks: 301960	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dun dun dun	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	this is just scheduled ircing. my ai power is so great, i have prepared responses in advance to anything you might inquire	[23:40]
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jborkl_	so the Bitcoin foundatation spends $150k a month	[23:43]
mod6	ikr!	[23:43]
rithm	/s/spends/blows	[23:44]
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jborkl_	so in 18 months they will be broke, sounds exactly correct as far as vc logic goes	[23:44]
rithm	lighting cigars with fresh hundreds can get expensive though amirite	[23:44]
mike_c	mp's irc ai: why did bitcoin go up?	[23:44]
jborkl_	well, the foundation will be broke, heh	[23:44]
fluffypony	I guess they're counting on a meteoric rise in BTC value	[23:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.095 = 1.33 BTC [+]	[23:45]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/Spencish/Lets%20Play/LetsPlay_06032010_171815.jpg	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	mike_c because perianne wanted to short it.	[23:45]
jborkl_	has the foundation even been around a year?	[23:45]
rithm	yes	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	jborkl_ bout a year and a half	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is that an old indy from like the 386 era ?	[23:46]
jborkl_	and how many people have they been trhough/resigned already? heh	[23:46]
rithm	they duped me out a few btc for their initial endowment	[23:46]
rithm	like the report says	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	the ark one ? where you can use the whip on the annoying chick in the original university setting ?	[23:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aye. 'atlantis.' http://www.talking-time.net/showthread.php?t=9407&page=3	[23:46]
assbot	Selling More Fine Leather Jackets! Lets Play Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis! - Page 3 - The Return of Talking Time	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	aye	[23:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that very same.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	orichalcum fucking beads	[23:47]
rithm	hey bitcointalk.org forums have a large operating tho iirc	[23:47]
rithm	thermos gonna regulate	[23:47]
rithm	budget/donations	[23:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4798 BTC [+]	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	princessnell he gets blown out of the water pretty thoroughly in that sciam piece.	[23:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.479999 = 2.4 BTC [+]	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]	[23:49]
princessnell	mircea_popescu i mean its a masterful smear if that's what yr getting at	[23:49]
*	asciilifeform opens window, smells felinine. wonders how one street can support 200 housecats.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	i've never read his book. but! the notions that a) there's three races ; b) that "whites" are in any sense "English" or c) that somehow passivity and civilisation correlate...	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	these are all massive lols to me	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lotta 30something women with reddit accounts on your street.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	lol!	[23:51]
princessnell	donny, yr out of yr element	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/	[23:52]
assbot	You are the community. You have all the power of the internet to mold it.	[23:52]
princessnell	the review straight up lies	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	princessnell but pls to inform us. where ?	[23:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wtf	[23:52]
asciilifeform	how you even found this.	[23:53]
princessnell	mircea_popescu are you asking for a competent review?	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	princessnell sure. alternatively, for backing of the "straight lies" theory	[23:53]
asciilifeform	#23: 'I've got fungi everywhere and I cannot take it anymore (ranting)'	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform women. everything i find, women.	[23:54]
princessnell	mircea_popescu ok, second one is easier.	[23:54]
princessnell	'"Wade does not say Caucasians are better per se, merely better adapted (because of their genes) to the modern economic institutions that Western society has created, and which now dominate the world’s economy and culture." < lie	[23:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: your pet creatures read this heathen pit ?	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	princessnell you will notice that this wasn't on my list of three things. i discarded it as stupid anyway	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	i got enough of a filter for that.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why shouldn't they ?	[23:55]
princessnell	got it	[23:55]
princessnell	ok: yr three things	[23:55]
princessnell	a) race is a degree of genetic relatedness. as such there is no limit to the number of categories you can create (alternatively no maximum that bounds it). wade painstakingly explains his use of "three races" heuristic and provides ample genetic evidence to support.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	#100 - 'In 2014, The Classical World Still Can't Stop Fat-Shaming Women'	[23:56]
princessnell	b) i have no idea where you got that from	[23:57]
asciilifeform	a full minute and still couldn't crack the enigma, where the classical world is hiding in 2014	[23:57]
asciilifeform	had to click	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	princessnell i got b from the slide. "He then explains why white people are better because of their genes. " mutates into "The second problem with Wade’s argument about the gentility of the English". this to me indicated the original fails to distinguish.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/261u88/i_miss_being_an_escort_just_need_to_vent/	[23:59]
assbot	I miss being an escort. Just need to vent. : TwoXChromosomes	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	but for the record : english speakers, in which category both uk and us citizenry are minorities, is in its turn a minority in european affairs.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	which are a majority but not a supermajority of whiteness	[23:59]
princessnell	mircea_popescu a farewell to alms was strengthened by the son also rises	[23:59]

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