Forum logs for 21 Jul 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu convenience is half the tool. [00:00]
BingoBoingo %d [00:01]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 632330.36 in 1859 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -7.98 [00:01]
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BingoBoingo !up moiety [00:10]
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moiety you beat me :] thanks [00:11]
moiety brought you something BB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJCDa5fAWYc [00:11]
assbot Can a Thumbcat - Play Checkers? - YouTube [00:11]
BingoBoingo aw [00:12]
moiety :D i thought it was so funny [00:17]
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mircea_popescu !up Fairlay [00:20]
-assbot- You voiced Fairlay for 30 minutes. [00:20]
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Fairlay just wanted to apologize for user posting links to Fairlay on Bitbet [00:21]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine anyone really cares. [00:22]
Fairlay googled for Fairlay and found it in this history here [00:22]
mircea_popescu !s fairlay [00:23]
assbot 4 results for 'fairlay' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fairlay [00:23]
Fairlay ok - than sorry again and goodbye [00:23]
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mircea_popescu Fairlay you know, it may be a good idea to get in the wot. [00:24]
Fairlay I guess we are addressing more the new user that have never heard of WOT - since the old seems to be happy with bitbet [00:26]
mircea_popescu no but i mean for you personally. [00:26]
mircea_popescu as it is right now, you could be absolutely anyone. [00:26]
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the_real_fairlay see ? [00:26]
BingoBoingo I don't rally think the Fairly comments on Bitbet really hurt BitBet at all http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/#c2048 [00:27]
assbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014 :: 619.37 B (89%) on Yes, 74.04 B (11%) on No | closed 7 months 1 day ago [00:27]
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FabianB artifexd: where is []bot btw.? [00:32]
mircea_popescu FabianB he said he's travelling and the bot croaked, can't touch till he's back [00:33]
mircea_popescu http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/ << the end of fucking days, when the parody sites are more truthful than the "serious" networks. [00:36]
assbot Open-Minded Man Grimly Realizes How Much Life He's Wasted Listening To Bullshit | The Onion - America's Finest News Source [00:36]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c ding me. [00:38]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:38]
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decimation yeah I've been burned by "md5sum" suddenly is "md5" on osx [00:41]
FabianB mircea_popescu: ah ic, bitcoin taking summer vacation :) [00:44]
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mircea_popescu lol [00:51]
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benkay thickasthieves: is atc a merge-mine thing? [00:57]
dub ;;isitdown mpex.co [00:59]
gribble mpex.co is down [00:59]
dub week since the last update [00:59]
mthreat mircea_popescu: there's a bitcoin meetup wednesday, at a local bar that accepts btc for drinks: http://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-Argentina/events/195793132/ [00:59]
assbot Charla de introduccin a Bitcoin - Meetup Bitcoin Argentina (Buenos Aires)- Meetup [00:59]
benkay say hi to diego for me mthreat [01:00]
mthreat ok (if I go) [01:01]
mthreat i've been meaning to check out that bar [01:01]
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benkay dunno if he'll remember me, but it'd be cool. [01:01]
benkay ;;bcstats [01:01]
gribble Current Blocks: 311728 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 16 hours, 39 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 19146535925.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.44177 [01:01]
benkay is there a hashpower command? [01:02]
dub there was [01:03]
dub ;;nethash [01:03]
gribble 148187686.346 [01:03]
thickasthieves <+benkay> thickasthieves: is atc a merge-mine thing? /// no, but i think it could be, and if it is, i might be willing to put some funds towards the dev, but no one wants my money so far [01:11]
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dub whats atc nethash? [01:16]
mircea_popescu benkay who;'s diego ? [01:16]
mircea_popescu mthreat possibly, depending on how smoth mpex starts-up [01:16]
dub you want to be at least bigger than whatever Luke-Jr can steal before enabling mm [01:16]
dub %diff [01:17]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644621.51 in 1847 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.19 [01:17]
mircea_popescu mm ? [01:19]
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mircea_popescu oh. [01:19]
mircea_popescu isn't atc merge mined by default ? [01:19]
dub no [01:19]
benkay thanks dub [01:19]
asciilifeform http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/extreme_system_recovery.html#update_5 [01:20]
assbot Extreme system recovery (Al Viro) [01:20]
benkay mircea_popescu: http://www.xinergia.com/home/cvdiego [01:20]
assbot Xinergia [01:20]
benkay you want to be at least bigger than whatever Luke-Jr can steal before enabling mm // pardon? [01:21]
thickasthieves he means you dont wanna give bigger miners an easy excuse to fork ATC [01:22]
thickasthieves (i think) [01:22]
dub he (and atm any number of miners) will kill your chain if you turn on merged [01:22]
dub rule of thumb, be bigger than eligius [01:22]
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thickasthieves Eligius Pool Hashrate: 7,879.44 Th/s [01:23]
benkay "kill your chain" what do you mean by this? [01:24]
dub with iocoin (maybe ix too) he just mined the longest chain and didnt include any transactions [01:26]
benkay what [01:26]
benkay why [01:26]
dub because his goal is/was to stamp out altcoins [01:26]
thickasthieves for jesus [01:26]
dub ^ [01:26]
mircea_popescu i don't get how this is supposed to work. so he mines and doesn't include txn [01:27]
mircea_popescu other miners do include them [01:27]
mircea_popescu where's the problem ? [01:27]
dub he has 99% of the network, no other miners get to play [01:27]
benkay if you're 95% of a given network... [01:27]
mircea_popescu dub 99% of what network ? [01:27]
mircea_popescu sha mm ? [01:27]
dub he has 8th [01:27]
mircea_popescu soooo [01:28]
mircea_popescu !s atcbot [01:28]
assbot 429 results for 'atcbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=atcbot [01:28]
mircea_popescu %p [01:29]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 5152.05 GH/s [01:29]
mircea_popescu that's 5th no ? [01:29]
mircea_popescu if atc mms the hash will prolly go to 1ph anyway. [01:30]
dub you'd need to get 'good' pools on board [01:30]
mircea_popescu dub but there's ALREADY 5 th on board, and these are atc dedicated, they're not merge mining. [01:30]
mircea_popescu so if you add 8th from elegius that's what, 60% for luke, provided nobody else joins. [01:31]
mircea_popescu seems improbably. [01:31]
dub you sure? at a glance the diff doesnt look right [01:31]
mircea_popescu 03-07-2014 01:50:42 [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.02 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 14243.64 GH/s << this is the peak this month. [01:31]
dub is that a chain hopping pool though or atc dedi? [01:32]
mircea_popescu well unless mod6 fucked up the math. [01:32]
mircea_popescu dub how does this make a diff ? [01:32]
dub it might not be on atc right now [01:32]
mircea_popescu so ? [01:32]
mircea_popescu if it's mm'd it'll certainly be on. [01:32]
mircea_popescu anyway, news at eight : luke still irrelevant. big whoop. [01:33]
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mircea_popescu this situation actually allows a window be thrown into bitcoin, to understand how it works. jesus atc is useful, props tat. [01:37]
mircea_popescu so : atc is not driven by "user adoption". it's driven by the fact that i'm buying it. in this context, if "evil" entity decides to just mine all the blocks, nobody gives a shit. so txn aren't included ? whatever. [01:37]
dub you dont want to look through that window either [01:37]
mircea_popescu that entity can either sell the coins it mines, in which case they end up with me, which is what i want anyway [01:37]
mircea_popescu or keep them, in which case it's actually making the coin more valuable. [01:38]
mircea_popescu this is the situation o nthe field : one has NO FUCKING CHOICE. this is how bitcoin works, and why it wins out. [01:38]
mircea_popescu bitcoin has been enacted by the fiat of a few important people, a few years ago, exactly in the same manner. they weren't THAT important as a % of the world, but that doesn't matter : bitcoin can't be un-enacted by the fiat of much larger entities. it has a cost of x to make and 1mn x aren't enough to undo it. [01:39]
mircea_popescu compared to this, user derpage and luser derpage on -dev is about as relevant as fairies in the spring rain. [01:40]
dub the scary thing about lukes altbashing was that, at the time tycho and eutheria were cheerleading for him [01:40]
dub so right there, a 90% mining cabal [01:41]
mircea_popescu what do kids know. [01:41]
dub for it was the point where I was closest to losing trust in the system [01:42]
dub bitcoin was in the hands of 3 people [01:42]
mircea_popescu takes one guy five minutes to give a woman a child. [01:42]
mircea_popescu modern science has not yet found a way to shove it back into the womb. [01:42]
dub probably still not far off [01:42]
mircea_popescu this is the situation here. [01:42]
mircea_popescu whatever you may think of the matter, bitcoin was never in the hands of THOSE 3 people. [01:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thermodynamics concerns the inevitable, rather the immediate. e.g., the japanese prolonged holdout against gunpowder. [01:44]
dub well, if you are presuming some kind of economic principle would come to your rescue, im sorry [01:44]
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dub you are talking about zealots and morons [01:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform time has compressed since then. their ability to hold out had a lot to do with the difficulty of seafaring then, and lack of satellites. [01:45]
mircea_popescu dub so you think idiocy is extempt from gravity ? [01:45]
asciilifeform i imagine everyone who ever cracked a book is familiar with island ecosystems and their doomed flightless birds... [01:45]
dub bitcoins single defense from evil miner conspiracy is incentive [01:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean... the (actual) penguin ? [01:46]
mircea_popescu it wasn't on an island. [01:46]
asciilifeform such as it. doesn't have to be on an island, strictly speaking. [01:46]
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mircea_popescu dub more's to it. as i explained to asciilifeform a while ago, it actually makes it impossible to be evil in raport to it. [01:46]
mircea_popescu and it has this major make/destroy inequality baked in, to cherry on top. [01:47]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 << me pontificating on related subject, some years ago [01:47]
assbot Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard [01:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i appreciate consensus scoring under fiat. [01:48]
dub penguin is not really flightless per se [01:48]
mircea_popescu dub the old one. [01:48]
asciilifeform dub: the bird in question is 'true penguin' [01:48]
asciilifeform dub: extinct today. [01:48]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the argument against merge mining atc has more to do with the value of having an actual sha competitor for bitcoin, which may well be very instructive [01:51]
mircea_popescu all the various altcoins of any description are scrypt. [01:51]
asciilifeform were there no alts prior to 'litecoin' ? [01:51]
dub well yeah, because teh sha ones have been eliminated (see above) [01:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform litecoin is scrypt, and yea iirc was 1st [01:52]
dub I dont think it was [01:52]
mircea_popescu dub no, just because people are a) poor and b) cluieless, in that order [01:52]
pankkake no it was not first, far from it [01:52]
pankkake don't listen to litecoiners history rewriting [01:52]
mircea_popescu pankkake we're not going to go into solidcoin and all that ? [01:52]
pankkake namecoin was there before, and litecoin isn't the first scyrpt before [01:53]
mircea_popescu o right you are, namecoin yeah [01:53]
pankkake either* [01:53]
xanthyos danielpbarron: who is better: dub or dubs? [01:53]
pankkake fairbrix tenebrix whatever [01:53]
pankkake either way: lies [01:53]
mircea_popescu o yeah, darkcoin had a "tenebrix" early run. anyway, aborted all. [01:56]
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BingoBoingo In between namecoin and the Scrypt pre-mined anscestors of LTC there were a lot of other forgettable alts, many mergemined. [01:57]
BingoBoingo If I remember right CoiledCoin was the one Luke killed [01:57]
mircea_popescu actually this may be a good thing to do for a blogger : make the altcoin history chart. [01:57]
mircea_popescu major reference article, that. [01:57]
asciilifeform i distinctly recall seeing just such a chart about a year ago [01:57]
mircea_popescu link ? [01:57]
asciilifeform complete with fancy graphics, clickable zoom, etc [01:58]
asciilifeform http://mapofcoins.com [01:58]
assbot Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more [01:58]
asciilifeform ^ no idea if current [01:58]
mircea_popescu doesn't load here. [01:59]
mircea_popescu "For instance, hundreds of thousands of bacteria can form daisy-chained "wires" an inch or so long, and tap seawater oxygen for energy. Such filaments can hold soil together and conduct electricity about as well as standard copper wire." << wow. [02:00]
mircea_popescu le wetware! [02:00]
BingoBoingo http://mapofcoins.com/# [02:00]
assbot Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more [02:00]
mircea_popescu http://wetwareontologies.tumblr.com/ < btw. [02:00]
assbot Wetware Ontologies [02:00]
decimation if only you could harness bacteria to grow onto circuit-board test points... [02:00]
mircea_popescu decimation the better application seems self-building, self repairing connectivity. [02:03]
mircea_popescu who said we want or actually need mesh networks implemented over radio ? [02:03]
BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/KJOwR4g.png [02:03]
mircea_popescu how about the entire fucking ocean floor is a mesh network of bacteria guys [02:03]
mircea_popescu and yeah, you can destroy them. [02:03]
mircea_popescu go right ahead. [02:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo omfg holy shit. [02:04]
mircea_popescu for all of 2011-2013 i've been strictly ignoring alts, and look at all the time it's saved me! [02:04]
BingoBoingo Site isa javascript turd [02:04]
asciilifeform 'I want to build machines to do stuff that someone "like us" wouldn't want to do, for any of the several reasons (the job is hard/boring/stinky/whatever). And once I've built them, I want people to be able to use them. Please note this last point. People and other "nature's computers", like animals and fungi, aren't supposed to be "used". In fact, all those systems spend a huge amount of resources to avoid being [02:04]
asciilifeform used. Machines aren't supposed to be like that. Machines are supposed to do what you want. Which means that both the designer and the user need to control them.' (one mr. kreinin, with whom i have a number of disagreements, some public, but good point about meatware. -- http://yosefk.com/blog/high-level-cpu-follow-up.html) [02:04]
assbot "High-level CPU": follow-up [02:04]
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asciilifeform motorcycle is considerably less efficient, thermodynamically, than horse - but more popular for, imho, good reason... [02:05]
mircea_popescu i dunno asciilifeform, i hear a lot of "please use me hard master" from some of the higher order "nature's computers". [02:05]
asciilifeform lol [02:05]
asciilifeform nobody cancelled pets [02:06]
mircea_popescu anyway. someone "like us" as the author fills that symbol does not belong above ground anyway. [02:06]
mircea_popescu fucking hippies. [02:06]
asciilifeform afaik he was flaming the hippies [02:06]
mircea_popescu gay spat. [02:07]
mircea_popescu can anyone explain to me why would latency be ever so slightly more going one way through a wire than coming the oher way ? same identical endpoints. [02:08]
asciilifeform the point about 'liveware generally doesn't wanna be used' can only be appreciated by folks who tried to breed industrially useful bacteria (e.g. e. coli secreting a saleable substance) - and the problems in that business [02:08]
asciilifeform short version - bacterium isn't a sled dog. he won't work if he doesn't 'want' to. (expressed in actual flesh as the formulation: the ones without the 'work' trait - e.g. secreting dope - tend to outperform their 'useful' peers in reproduction) [02:09]
mircea_popescu "the point about women not wanting to be used can only be appreciated by rapists". DOING IT WRONG [02:09]
dub re: latency, its probably how you are measuring it [02:10]
asciilifeform the problem, in case anyone doesn't know, is presently dealt with through luck and brute force. [02:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform consider how eminently used e coli are in the intestines of every mammal. [02:10]
dub but you'll get all kinds of inconsistency between network stacks, hardware, drivers etc [02:10]
mircea_popescu dub same shit tho. [02:10]
mircea_popescu same parts, same software. [02:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sure. symbionts. now engineer some... [02:11]
dub how sure are you? [02:11]
mircea_popescu i am sure. [02:11]
dub checked every chip? [02:11]
mircea_popescu same exact model netcards. same firmware on the netcards. [02:11]
BigBitz same cables? [02:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: describe briefly the geometry of the wire. [02:12]
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BigBitz could just be the ASIC on the Switchports. [02:12]
mircea_popescu a U with a very long bottom ? [02:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most obvious explanation is clocks. [02:13]
BigBitz or it would be your machine badly timing the latency. [02:13]
asciilifeform ^ [02:13]
mircea_popescu why one or not the other. [02:13]
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BigBitz clocks have a tendancy to be 'shit' [02:13]
mircea_popescu wait. fuck. [02:13]
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BigBitz silicon/ASICs have a tendncy to be better than 'shit; [02:13]
mircea_popescu no two clocks work the same huh. [02:13]
asciilifeform typical quartz oscillators are rated to 2% [02:13]
mircea_popescu it's equalizing over time. hey asciilifeform ! i just got some entropy! [02:13]
asciilifeform they have some - limited - thermal compensation. [02:13]
BigBitz yup heat can fuck shit up. [02:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is actually a traditional means of generating 'hardware entropy' on a pc. i rediscovered it as a kid, thought i 'had something nice' [02:14]
mircea_popescu right. [02:14]
mircea_popescu well, i built a rng oscillator. go me. [02:14]
asciilifeform a traditional pc comes with at least 2 measurable oscillators (cpu crystal and 18hz real time clock) [02:14]
* asciilifeform waits for announcement of mpex plant purchasing rhubidium frequency standard [02:15]
dub rhubarbium? [02:15]
mircea_popescu ahaha [02:15]
mircea_popescu !b 5 [02:15]
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asciilifeform unlike cesium clocks, these are inexpensive - radio stations in the civilized works are required to use them. [02:15]
asciilifeform *world [02:15]
asciilifeform to prevent frequency walking [02:16]
asciilifeform ;;google rubidium clock [02:16]
gribble Rubidium standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Atomic clock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Accubeat - Technology - Rubidium Atomic Clock Technology: [02:16]
BigBitz ah Atomic Clocks. [02:16]
BigBitz such accuracy. [02:16]
BigBitz many times. [02:17]
BigBitz much sync. [02:17]
BigBitz WOW [02:17]
mircea_popescu btw, did they ever make that rubidium superclock thing ? [02:17]
BingoBoingo http://hackaday.com/2013/08/05/turning-a-rubidium-standard-into-a-proper-tool/ [02:18]
assbot Turning a rubidium standard into a proper tool [02:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no idea about 'super', but these are ubiquitous in the radio industry. [02:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there was some design to make them stable-er than cesium and get rid of the cs standard entirely. [02:18]
thickasthieves <+mircea_popescu> so if you add 8th from elegius ///8PH [02:19]
mircea_popescu when did that happen. [02:19]
mircea_popescu what, elegius is solving blocks now ?! [02:20]
BingoBoingo It happens because the idiots buying miners are the same idiots who ever bought miners [02:20]
asciilifeform http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140716.aspx << loltron. e.g., kalashnikov banned for import in usa. [02:20]
mircea_popescu In addition, the following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List: BESEDA, Sergey [02:22]
mircea_popescu lmao. so let me get this straight, if putin v2.0 decides to visit the us, they'll know ? [02:22]
mircea_popescu hao. [02:22]
thickasthieves http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/drugresistant-bacteria-sewagetreatment-plants-described-as-giant-mixing-vessels-after-scientists-discover-mutated-microbes-in-british-river-9615850.html [02:23]
assbot Drug-resistant bacteria: Sewage-treatment plants described as giant 'mixing vessels' after scientists discover mutated microbes in British river - Environment - The Independent [02:23]
mircea_popescu BORODAI, Aleksandr (a.k.a. BORODAI, Alexander); DOB 25 Jul 1972; nationality Russia (individual) [UKRAINE]. <<< aww, no prime minister of donetsk republic ? tsk tsk [02:24]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:24]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [02:24]
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mircea_popescu bazalt.ru << click on this, get added to some list or teh other. [02:25]
BingoBoingo This Dontesk Republic is basically just like a standard Hollywood sequel to Transndstria i.e. moar explosions [02:25]
mircea_popescu mhm [02:26]
asciilifeform rubidium clock << about 200 usd on 'ebay' and the like. who wants, can buy. [02:26]
dub mircea_popescu: back to your wire, validate your instrumentation first. [02:27]
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asciilifeform http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supper-Low-JITTER-Clock-11-2896Mhz-Rubidium-Frequency-/180497234806 << mega-lol re: who it is pitched to! [02:27]
BingoBoingo http://bazalt.ru/en/nonlethal_weapons/ << Today, lethality weapons include weapons which lethality rate does not exceed 25 per cent. [02:27]
assbot Supper Low Jitter Clock 11 2896MHz Rubidium Frequency | eBay [02:27]
assbot Nonlethal weapons : en [02:27]
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benkay how about the entire fucking ocean floor is a mesh network of bacteria guys // okay [02:28]
asciilifeform 'put the rubidium oscillator's sine output into the cd player... it will enhance the sound quality greatly.' [02:28]
asciilifeform and here i thought the magic green marker was state of the art. [02:28]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr32/flyingbest/cd.jpg?t=1246632694 [02:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the inescapable question, is, as before, what one must smoke. [02:29]
BingoBoingo I kind of wonder what the ruse it, seems like an overly strong emphasis on CD player much as the headshops emphasize their glass pipes are for tobacco [02:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there is an entire 'culture' of audio voodoo. [02:30]
BingoBoingo I didn't know it was /this/ bad. I almost would rather believe this is for people building plasma rifles on the down low. [02:31]
asciilifeform back to clocks: it is grave mistake to regard a pc clock as a scientific instrument. you can get pretty good thermal stability out of a quartz resonator, using an 'oven' (more or less just like kitchen oven, in miniature - maintain controlled temperature.) but this is never found in a consumer appliance. [02:33]
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BingoBoingo http://hackaday.com/2014/07/05/the-cheapest-crystal-oven/ [02:33]
assbot The Cheapest Crystal Oven [02:33]
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asciilifeform if you need serious (accurate and precise) timing, must use an instrument built for that purpose. [02:33]
asciilifeform 'gps' and similar navigation systems, for example, live and die on atomic clock (and correct for SR!) [02:35]
dub these problems almost always compounded by failure closer to the chair [02:35]
nubbins` hi [02:35]
nubbins` SR/TD correction in GPS sats blew my mind [02:35]
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benkay hey nubbins` what's with these threaded beers you can't twist the tops off of in bc? [02:36]
nubbins` england is closer to bc, but i uh [02:36]
asciilifeform nubbins`: try example 'closer to home,' even. last generation of CRT displays had to include sr correction (short tube, less glass, but higher gun voltage - fast electrons.) [02:36]
dub had an identical problem brought to me after months of hand wringing by systems teams, 30 minutes later they had data to smack vendor with who later admitted to hidden NIC revisions and supplied new driver [02:36]
nubbins` threads mean you can twist 'em off, doesn't it? [02:36]
nubbins` *is closer than bc [02:36]
BingoBoingo I've long imagined a wrist portable watch with RTG (RTG also heats crystal) I'm resigned to knowing such a device probably wouldn't have the power to offer man readable time without an unacceptable risk of wrist cancer [02:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i recall reading about that, why teh russians couldn't make good crts. quantum effects. [02:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually i first learned of this when studying the demise of american tv makers. [02:37]
asciilifeform japan taught sr to engineers. america - no. [02:37]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [02:37]
mircea_popescu dub i don't use vendor supplied firmware. [02:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu bakes own NICs ? [02:38]
* asciilifeform impressed [02:38]
mircea_popescu it limits a lot of things ;/ [02:38]
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mircea_popescu anyway, now it's slower in the other direction. [02:40]
dub you're missing the point, make your dudes prove the test suite [02:40]
asciilifeform oscillator drift. [02:40]
asciilifeform unless the magnitude of the skew is more than 10 msec or so [02:41]
dub 99% of people who sell themselves as experts at this are probably trying to use 'ping' [02:41]
mircea_popescu dub these are draftees lol. [02:42]
asciilifeform incidentally, quartz oscillators generally don't come in the GHz range. there's a fairly modest (<100MHz) crystal and a PLL multiplier. which compounds any error... [02:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's fractions of a ms. [02:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: handily inside thermal drift range then. [02:44]
BingoBoingo Prolly ought to start ordering Rhubidium clocks for next downtime [02:46]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what, and pass the chance to scramble madly for a week ? [02:46]
asciilifeform likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument. [02:47]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, you still scramble madly for a week as you chase cesium precision [02:47]
asciilifeform also must recall that machine contains other components with quartz oscillators - and some of these components sit on the bus and can toss interrupts. [02:48]
BingoBoingo After that you chase caesous precision because the fans can't slice cheese or something [02:48]
* asciilifeform digs for ancient paper regarding maliciously estimating a remote machine's temperature using userspace-observable clock drifts [02:49]
asciilifeform ^ if anyone has, please post here. [02:49]
BingoBoingo So now there's a paper that helps to explain MPEx and threaten Rassah's usb wallet [02:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'now' << 1990s [02:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform userpages.umbc.edu/~rfink1/skew/papers/StatisticalFingerprinting03.pdf ? [02:51]
BingoBoingo I was born, therefore it is recent [02:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not the one i was thinking of, bus similar concept. [02:51]
asciilifeform *but [02:51]
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n21187 n6 nam-shub Namworld nanotube napedia nezZario nick1234abcd nii236|irssi nkuttler NormDePloome nubbins` [03:18]
n21187 n6 nam-shub Namworld nanotube napedia nezZario nick1234abcd nii236|irssi nkuttler NormDePloome nubbins` [03:18]
mircea_popescu !up n21187 [03:18]
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n21187 thank u [03:18]
BingoBoingo %t [03:25]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 222 Ask: 240 Last Price: 222 24h-Vol: 12k High: 222 Low: 222 VWAP: 221 [03:25]
mircea_popescu sure. who're you ? [03:29]
n21187 nobody really [03:29]
mircea_popescu ic. [03:31]
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BingoBoingo The comments here make a nice lens for paranoid about psyops http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/07/20/206205/russian-government-edits-wikipedia-on-flight-mh17 [03:38]
assbot Russian Government Edits Wikipedia On Flight MH17 - Slashdot [03:38]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: American Government Edits Wikipedia On Nobody Ever - USGDot [03:46]
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BingoBoingo Oh it does. I'm just trying to play a game with myself of which comments are psyops from what side, which are parody, and which are just feeding the trols [03:46]
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BingoBoingo https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HkUGs-R4jJA/U7mjCp9MBnI/AAAAAAAAITM/rIQCqWagpiY/s1600/Photo+Jun+26,+11+38+08+PM.jpg [03:57]
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mircea_popescu ok so the great news is, mpex is fully operational. [03:59]
mircea_popescu i will be bringing it online midday today. [04:00]
penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spoondoolies-sp30-asic-arrives-tuesday/ [04:00]
decimation re: crap quartz clocks: I wondered how they did this in cell phones, because the absolute frequency is required to be within a certain range [04:00]
decimation turns out they use minaturized tcxo: http://www.timing-is-everything.net/id75.html [04:01]
assbot Press Release 8/18/08 [04:01]
decimation you can buy on digikey for ~$20 as i recall, but I"m sure apple paid much less [04:02]
BingoBoingo Overly simple charts http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle_east_friendship_chart.html [04:03]
assbot The Middle East Friendship Chart [04:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, definitely, al-quaeda is hostile to everyone. herp. [04:05]
mircea_popescu and egypt is friendly to the us. what the fuck is this lmao. [04:06]
BingoBoingo If ever there were a chart which should have just been filled with "It's complicated" [04:06]
mircea_popescu iran friends with nobody but iraq ?! ahahh [04:06]
mircea_popescu check it out, how many friends the us has. iraq... the saudis... [04:07]
mircea_popescu nuts that thing. [04:07]
BingoBoingo Also Where the fuck are the Kurds? They are more a thing than refering to Iraq in the singular now. [04:08]
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decimation I'm also annoyed that wristwatch accuracy is so poor [04:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo or afghanistan [04:12]
mircea_popescu this is so very like reading soviet hagiography [04:12]
BingoBoingo lol [04:12]
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decimation it is interesting that the "high-end" watch world has gone away from "my watch is really accurate" to "look at the neat spinny gears" [04:14]
BingoBoingo decimation: Well, it had to. Shiny sell more than function does. Hence every outdoorsy flashlight is now tactical. [04:16]
decimation yeah, the last quartz watch sold on accuracy that I can find was in 1974: http://chronomaddox.com/omega_megaquartz_2400.html [04:17]
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decimation it turns out you can open up many quartz watches and adjust the trim pot to correct for aging error: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f43/how-adjust-accuracy-g-shock-83153.html [04:17]
assbot How to adjust the accuracy of a G-Shock [04:17]
decimation !up Diablo-D3 [04:19]
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Diablo-D3 that forum isnt loading [04:19]
Diablo-D3 is this for an analog one? [04:19]
decimation no it's a casio g-shock [04:20]
decimation unstylish digital watch [04:20]
Diablo-D3 yeah see [04:20]
Diablo-D3 I have a g-shock [04:20]
Diablo-D3 its 20 years old [04:20]
Diablo-D3 Ive never had to adjust it [04:20]
decimation mine is about 5 years old and it loses about 10 seconds per month if it doesn't correct from WWVB [04:20]
decimation apparently the firmware in the watch: 1.) doesn't use WWVB to correct its long-term frequency error 2.) produces a one-second offset when synced to WWVB [04:21]
BingoBoingo I think a rhubidium "grandfather clock" at home is a better solution to the problem of "watch has shitty crystals" than WWVB's chicom signal. [04:24]
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decimation heh chicom signal? [04:25]
Diablo-D3 mine loses about half a minute every year [04:26]
Diablo-D3 mine predates the time radio shit [04:27]
Diablo-D3 I also turned dst off on it because of bush [04:27]
BingoBoingo Well sure it was originally US made, but when things break... And in a high power broadcase facillity shit breaks [04:27]
decimation the conventional solution is to use gps for the same purpose, but that has the same problem [04:28]
BingoBoingo Actual solution is to roll your own time standard [04:29]
BingoBoingo It isn't like the blockchain demands timestamp precision [04:31]
decimation well, how are you going to initially set your granfather clock? do you accept the communist's time reference frame? [04:34]
Diablo-D3 I wouldnt mind one of the new gshocks that are solar and self setting [04:35]
decimation yeah that is what mine is, it has worse onboard clock... [04:36]
Diablo-D3 it doesnt need to have a great onboard clock [04:36]
decimation also it does not sync well on the east coast of the us [04:36]
Diablo-D3 heh, really? [04:36]
Diablo-D3 meh [04:36]
Diablo-D3 maybe by the time my watch dies [04:36]
Diablo-D3 I wont bother replacing it [04:36]
BingoBoingo decimation: I imagine when it starts I'll just take the unix time from the nearest friendly timeserver [04:38]
decimation I think the citizen watches are the only digital quartz watches made today with some level of accuracy [04:39]
BingoBoingo Eh citzen or seiko generally work fine. Swatch is prolly fine too. [04:40]
BingoBoingo Most days I get by fine with a malaysian automatic winding movement when I care/remember to wear it. [04:41]
dub my phone can tell the time [04:46]
decimation phones are set by mobile towers generally [04:47]
decimation yeah a grand seiko quartz should be less than 1 second per month based on their internal spec [04:47]
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Diablo-D3 really, this whole +m stuff should stop [04:50]
Diablo-D3 yeah, see, what dub said is true [04:50]
Diablo-D3 my phone, also, tells time [04:50]
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Basquiat_ bitstein: http://claritycurrency.com/ the latest in bitcoin startup scams [05:03]
assbot Clarity Currency Management | Home [05:03]
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bitstein I like how they flat out make stuff up in their "educational guide" [05:05]
bitstein "Companies such as Facebook, Apple, Yahoo, EBay and Amazon have already begun implementing bitcoin transactions in their business models, in addition to Wallstreet, political candidates, and the music community." [05:05]
Basquiat_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dONRrrTFnJA [05:06]
assbot Clarity Currency Mgmt - Who We Are - YouTube [05:06]
bitstein On a symbolic level, I like how the banner image has varying degrees of clarity. [05:06]
bitstein Basquiat_: The music. [05:09]
BingoBoingo Chiraq update: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-chicago-shooting-20140720,0,5431495.story [05:11]
assbot In violent weekend, at least 40 people shot in Chicago - chicagotribune.com [05:11]
bitstein They ought to try banning guns. [05:14]
Basquiat_ bitstein: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201955734645471&set=o.520416921397098&type=1&theater hard at work trading that crypto [05:16]
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mircea_popescu the music community lol [05:24]
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decimation it's probably racsis to take notice of who is murdering in chicago [05:33]
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copumpkin still no sign of mpex? [05:44]
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BingoBoingo copumpkin: Supposedly going up Midday [05:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.003 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2} [05:46]
mircea_popescu copumpkin http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2014#762950 [05:48]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [05:48]
copumpkin yay [05:48]
copumpkin inb4 massive selloff of S.MPOE :P [05:48]
copumpkin I'd join in, except I'm lazy so I'll probably just hold it and see what happens [05:49]
mircea_popescu yay cheap shares. [05:49]
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copumpkin :) [05:58]
copumpkin I think I have enough shares for now [05:58]
copumpkin one day I'll have as many as you do though! [05:58]
copumpkin >_> [05:58]
mircea_popescu well sure, i still intend to retire eventually. [06:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.17 = 4.76 BTC [+] [06:07]
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* asciilifeform laughs, reading log, seeing people thinking that microwave clock is for knowing the time. [06:25]
* asciilifeform often wonders about thermal behaviour of the semiconductor widgetry connected to such clocks, and whether anyone even gives a fuck [06:27]
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asciilifeform incidentally, we know that gate delay is thermally ticklish. how? easy - asynchronous circuits will speed up or slow down depending on temperature. [06:27]
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dub there is a clock on my microwave sothere [06:35]
BingoBoingo Time's not a real thing anyway [06:36]
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BingoBoingo Time's just the scraps left over after space is cleaved from the manifold by the faculty of sensation to cognition [06:39]
BingoBoingo by intuition [06:40]
BingoBoingo Or maybe I flipped something around in there [06:40]
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dub I like how you can gauge just how stupid your average HR/HS peon is by the time they expect it to take for the test [06:46]
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dub estimated time for this module 30 minutes, takes 35 seconds [06:46]
dub HS learning team have a combined IQ of 17 [06:46]
asciilifeform dub: let me guess. mandatory u.s. army 'anti-terrorist training' ? [06:47]
dub there was a bomb threat slide, which was particularly stupid in that I failed it [06:48]
dub apparently you should take your laptop with you in this instance because not having it destroyed by bomb squad is less important than not being blowed up [06:50]
dub er, more important [06:50]
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dub gah [06:54]
dub the best ones are where there is not enough information to answer [06:55]
dub this question 'what should you take to a $site', options ID, changte request, then lists three different access card types [06:56]
dub the answer is all of above [06:56]
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xanthyos is that the real marc summers? [07:26]
xanthyos of nickelodeon's double dare? [07:26]
xanthyos sorry i'm new here, but respect of it is! [07:26]
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mircea_popescu MarcSummers are you the real marc summers ? :p [07:49]
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benkay bitstein: http://claritycurrency.com/ the latest in bitcoin startup scams // omg the scrolling divs [07:55]
assbot Clarity Currency Management | Home [07:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 59 @ 0.01282283 = 0.7565 BTC [-] {7} [08:16]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: * asciilifeform uses headphones mainly to 'turn off hearing' to improve concentration. < you wear those cause model m, admit it! << such zing :D [08:35]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [08:36]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 620.09, Best ask: 621.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 620.08, 24 hour volume: 1743.48584101, 24 hour low: 620.0, 24 hour high: 628.76, 24 hour vwap: 622.95275537 [08:36]
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mircea_popescu miasma epidemiology huh ? good one. [08:41]
mircea_popescu if that 6th chip actually delivers what they claim it delivers... holy hell what comes after yotta ? [08:44]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/995/ukraine-ceasefire-will-be-reported-before-aug-20/ check that out lol [09:16]
assbot BitBet - Ukraine ceasefire will be reported before Aug 20 :: 0.2 B (16%) on Yes, 1.07 B (84%) on No | closing in 4 weeks 17 hours | weight: 98`801 (100`000 to 1) [09:16]
mircea_popescu what ceasefire, that thing'll be going for a decade. [09:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.15691 = 1.5691 BTC [-] {2} [09:47]
fluffypony http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/2024.jpg [09:55]
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cazalla as if parents used the internet "then" [10:01]
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jurov basically god is just this very large dice assemblage in non-space, feeding all the quarks dicerolls.<< i suspect he actually uses prng with fixed seed [11:24]
mircea_popescu lol [11:24]
mircea_popescu just very large ? [11:24]
jurov needs not even be so large [11:24]
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BingoBoingo God is actually just the old Debian RNG flaw, n always ===== 6 [11:49]
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BingoBoingo !up adrrr [12:39]
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adrrr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiP-h4KYnHY [12:41]
adrrr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP_wymk8ORQ [12:42]
adrrr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohHnHcBFSqY [12:47]
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BingoBoingo %d [14:00]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [14:01]
gribble Current Blocks: 311811 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 668 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 3 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 19100391549.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.1756 [14:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 230 @ 0.00300029 = 0.6901 BTC [-] {3} [14:23]
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jurov http://www.businessinsider.com/harry-devert-found-dead-in-mexico-2014-7 someone here wanted to travel to conference on land? [15:06]
assbot Harry Devert Found Dead In Mexico - Business Insider [15:06]
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mircea_popescu sooo... dns doesn't want to propagate ;/ [15:08]
dub your soa dont exist [15:13]
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mircea_popescu meh [15:15]
dub create a records for ns1/2 polimedia [15:15]
mircea_popescu i r [15:16]
mircea_popescu dub do you see an ip for n1/n2 ? [15:17]
dub no [15:18]
dub 'gendns' doesnt have the records [15:18]
mircea_popescu namecheap is LYING TO ME [15:18]
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dub !up Mats_cd03 [15:35]
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Mats_cd03 my nigga [15:35]
Mats_cd03 http://hashcrack.org/page?n=21072014 [15:38]
assbot Hashcrack - Vitaly Nikolenko [15:38]
Mats_cd03 http://youtu.be/pLaJliu2_pI [15:39]
assbot C64 SID-Chip programmer took a hit of his bong - YouTube [15:39]
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dub mircea_popescu: now ns1/2 need to no they are soa for mpex.co [15:53]
dub s/no/know jesus [15:53]
mircea_popescu lol [15:53]
mircea_popescu they've been telling me they know for an hour [15:53]
dub I cheated [15:55]
dub # dig ns1.polimedia.us @ns11.gendns.com +short [15:56]
dub 185.28.190.143 [15:56]
mircea_popescu aha yep [15:56]
mircea_popescu http://who.is/whois/mpex.ws << it's there, for instance. [15:56]
assbot Mpex.ws Whois Lookup - Who.is - Who.is [15:56]
dub add that to your host file, and the problem moves to ns1|2.polimedia refusing to recurse for mpex.co [15:57]
dub which likely means they are not soa for it [15:57]
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dub either you have no mpex.co zone on there or its waiting a rehup oslt [15:59]
dub some providers do a 6 hour push for eg [16:00]
mircea_popescu im on it, finally got everything in hand [16:00]
mircea_popescu damned dns finnickiness [16:00]
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* dub tries to dos mpex [16:02]
mircea_popescu awww [16:02]
dub left a sleep out of my loop :) [16:02]
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dub lel [16:12]
dub toe'd out [16:12]
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BingoBoingo %t [16:16]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 211 Ask: 238 Last Price: 222 24h-Vol: 14k High: 222 Low: 222 VWAP: 221 [16:16]
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zoinky 30 minutes of voice [16:17]
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zoinky so graced [16:17]
nubbins` buenas [16:17]
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fluffypony tell us your innermost feelings and concerns [16:23]
zoinky pressure is killing me [16:24]
mircea_popescu !s proxies [16:33]
assbot 173 results for 'proxies' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=proxies [16:33]
mircea_popescu $proxies mpex.ws mpex.bz [16:34]
empyex mircea_popescu: Temporarily saved. [16:34]
empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies ) [16:34]
mircea_popescu $s [16:34]
mircea_popescu $mpexlag [16:34]
empyex mircea_popescu: Error reaching trade engine [16:34]
mircea_popescu tsk [16:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00307014 = 3.0701 BTC [-] {2} [16:35]
mircea_popescu aite well, that's that. mpex back online. [16:35]
mircea_popescu i am a man with a much whiter beard. [16:35]
jurov 2FB7B452 is the new key? [16:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 531 @ 0.00309733 = 1.6447 BTC [+] {10} [16:36]
mircea_popescu making a post nao. [16:36]
jurov not it is not [16:36]
pankkake mpex extradited from .co? [16:39]
mircea_popescu so it is lol. [16:40]
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mircea_popescu http://mpex.ws/faq.html#8 << here we go. [16:50]
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BingoBoingo Hello boobsboobs [16:55]
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mike_c thx [16:59]
BingoBoingo Death is on its last legs https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/13/ [17:01]
assbot Game 13 - Death 1402 Life 8598 Year 980 - War of Life [17:01]
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mircea_popescu game 13 ?! wasn't it 17 ? [17:02]
mircea_popescu o atc nm [17:02]
mike_c bout time death took an ass kicking [17:03]
mircea_popescu can death be killed ? [17:03]
asciilifeform '... and with strange eons even death may die.' [17:04]
mircea_popescu hehe [17:04]
jurov death dies last [17:05]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703330.0 [17:07]
assbot How can this friend successfully ipo? [17:07]
* jurov reads and chokes [17:08]
mircea_popescu don't choke, swallow. [17:09]
danielpbarron https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20:14&version=NKJV [17:09]
assbot Revelation 20:14 NKJV - Then Death and Hades were cast into the - Bible Gateway [17:09]
mircea_popescu lol @that ipo [17:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.01267562 = 0.8873 BTC [-] {8} [17:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 56 @ 0.01387588 = 0.777 BTC [+] {3} [17:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.0124004 = 0.8432 BTC [-] {3} [17:45]
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thestringpuller !s mpex update [17:55]
assbot 15 results for 'mpex update' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mpex+update [17:55]
BingoBoingo http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/6/0/297060.jpg?v=1 [17:56]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller it's up. [18:00]
thestringpuller is it? [18:02]
thestringpuller MPEx is unreachable for me lol [18:02]
thestringpuller it's cool I should be working instead of trading right now [18:03]
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mike_c it got extradited to western samoa [18:04]
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mike_c http://mpex.ws [18:04]
assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. [18:04]
mircea_popescu ;;google .bz tld [18:05]
gribble .bz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Nic.bz: ; .BZ - ccTLD (country code top level domain) for Belize - Name.com: [18:05]
mircea_popescu belize and samoa. [18:05]
mircea_popescu anyway, ima have more later on, just, wanted to get it back online asap. [18:06]
jurov so it works with the old key? [18:06]
dub seems a little quiet [18:06]
jurov thestringpuller wants me to enable coinbr, is it possible? [18:07]
mircea_popescu $proxies [18:07]
empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies ) [18:07]
mircea_popescu jurov no, needs new key. it's in the faq http://mpex.ws/faq.html#8 [18:07]
mircea_popescu and yes you can enable coinbr. [18:08]
thestringpuller ah I see [18:08]
mircea_popescu use either .bz or ws at your option [18:08]
asciilifeform where'd 'co' go ? [18:08]
jurov hm i stopped looking on http://mpex.ws/faq.html#3, there's still old keyid [18:09]
pankkake and how do we trust the new key? [18:09]
mircea_popescu pankkake it's signed by me. [18:10]
jurov !ident mircea_popescu [18:10]
jurov ;;ident mircea_popescu [18:10]
gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None [18:10]
mircea_popescu jurov that's MY key. of course it's the same. [18:10]
jurov how do you mean? A57D509A is different one [18:11]
jurov btw, how do i ask the keyserver who signed it? [18:11]
mircea_popescu are you using a cached copy of the faq ? [18:11]
mircea_popescu and one sec i;'ll link you. [18:12]
pankkake the keyserver should give you the key and its sub-signatures [18:12]
jurov 02DD2D91 ... browser prolly cached it [18:12]
thestringpuller ctrl-shift-r [18:12]
mircea_popescu http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x02DD2D91 << thjere [18:13]
assbot Search results for '0x02dd2d91' [18:13]
jurov gpg--recv-key 02DD2D91 said: PGP trust model [18:13]
jurov gpg: depth: 0 valid: 3 signed: 2 trust: 0-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 3u [18:13]
jurov gpg: depth: 1 valid: 2 signed: 0 trust: 2-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 0u [18:13]
jurov there seems like useful info hidden there [18:14]
mircea_popescu jurov anyway, on faq #3 the only key is mine. it's not changed. [18:15]
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jurov i see, the #3 is for something else..derrrrrrp [18:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform co's taking a little break, back later. [18:18]
mircea_popescu dub seems a little quiet << assbot won't relay till i get a hold of kako to allow teh connections. [18:19]
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dub I was watching the site but yes I see a trade now [18:20]
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asciilifeform obligatory: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E8C0827C6A36BD44C145B0011ABD54B5A9577022F1486911951958E4E870BB29 [18:29]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor [18:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 370 @ 0.00310735 = 1.1497 BTC [+] {4} [18:31]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty neat huh [18:34]
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asciilifeform anybody here into optics ? [18:35]
dub what, like pr0n? [18:35]
mircea_popescu im into bed. laters! [18:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu goodnight [18:35]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 [23:48]
-assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. [23:48]
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mircea_popescu nohomo. [23:50]
mircea_popescu FabianB why ? [23:50]
thestringpuller assboy [23:50]
thestringpuller lol [23:50]
mircea_popescu ;;seen pizzaman1337 [23:52]
gribble pizzaman1337 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 3 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: [unreliable source?] [23:52]
kakobrekla assboy lol [23:52]
kakobrekla pizza is around just not typing here. [23:52]
mircea_popescu o just the man i wanted to see. [23:52]
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mircea_popescu jurov: coinbr will go offline till i sort out the mess << ohai. [23:53]
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pizzaman1337 oh hey, now I can talk [23:57]
mircea_popescu jurov:how would one prepare a recovery process for exchange chaging all the order IDs? << order ids have always been a motherfucking bitch. new trade engine install, so there's that. sorry j! [23:57]
mircea_popescu pizzaman1337 :p [23:57]
mircea_popescu don't you now feel sheshul. [23:57]
pizzaman1337 very sheshuled [23:58]
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