Forum logs for 20 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	ninjashogun: it is trivial to design a crypto-whatever with malicious trapdoor	[00:00]
joecool	Diablo-D3: xray of a yubikey neo i'm guessing	[00:00]
asciilifeform	joecool: yes	[00:00]
Diablo-D3	joecool: ahh	[00:01]
asciilifeform	joecool: trying to explain to ninjashogun why a crypto-gizmo like yubikey is fundamentally braindamaged	[00:01]
mike_c	geez, the article is in romanian and french? what's a poor american to do.	[00:01]
asciilifeform	the toggle switch.	[00:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00609996 = 0.2196 BTC [+] {3}	[00:02]
asciilifeform	(i thought you owned one of these, it's clear if you do)	[00:02]
asciilifeform	ah ok	[00:02]
wilimprex	asciilifeform: any not open sourced hw/sw is not worht entrusting your data/secrets	[00:03]
asciilifeform	correct.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	mike_c date a foreign slut, it won't kill you.	[00:03]
joecool	asciilifeform: with that being said do you feel the same way about the openpgp smartcard?	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	well... not in a big way anyway	[00:03]
mike_c	it won't kill me, but my wife will.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	likewise, open source is not enough.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	as described here:	[00:03]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299	[00:03]
ozbot	Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice.	[00:03]
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asciilifeform	it has to be a system that an interested, moderately-educated user might be able to... understand.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know it strikes me how much pr/social media you're doing these days	[00:04]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm probably just being successfully trolled	[00:04]
asciilifeform	joecool: no reason why the above doesn't apply to the gpg smartcard.	[00:05]
ozbot	atm skimmer — Krebs on Security	[00:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: trying my hand at doing the kind of thing you do - enlightening stone age man	[00:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to work terribly well. perhaps my hands simply don't grow from the correct place.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	you don't have my tools, it's kind of like watching someone build bridges with a hammer	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	not that it can't be done	[00:06]
moiety	it's nothing to do with you asciilifeform, some people are unenlightenable. sips encrypted hotchocolate	[00:07]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you'd love to take over this 'customer' i'll be happy to sit back and watch.	[00:07]
joecool	mircea_popescu: nice burn	[00:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: because my dosimeter is just about maxed out now.	[00:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00609997 = 0.1769 BTC [+] {3}	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	eh what's the rush.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	time is an essential ingredient.	[00:08]
mike_c	ok, i think i got the jist: IP isn't real. IP has little to do with the success of the company. It's all about management. close?	[00:08]
midnightmagic	mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	mike_c F.	[00:08]
mike_c	damnit.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	the problem with trilema article is that they really don't have any gists	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	the details are more important than the actual article.	[00:09]
mike_c	details get quite mangled through google translate	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	i know.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	well maybe the usg open sources its english translations/summaries of romanian t articles	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	eventually.	[00:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00612908 = 0.6558 BTC [+] {3}	[00:10]
moiety	mike_c: nao it comes	[00:10]
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moiety	would they not upload in the hope of getting a job?	[00:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 859 @ 0.00614249 = 5.2764 BTC [+] {4}	[00:12]
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benderp	ninjashogun: how did mircea_popescu fund his site?	[00:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 168 @ 0.00619989 = 1.0416 BTC [+] {2}	[00:13]
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Apocalyptic	mircea , https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265277.msg5786637#msg5786637	[00:14]
benderp	wrong again, ninjashogun.	[00:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00619997 = 2.48 BTC [+] {2}	[00:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00081407 = 1.0583 BTC [-]	[00:14]
Apocalyptic	it's wasn't humiliating enough to get hacked & lose all funds, but now they came with the IDEA of an btc insurance company	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:14]
TomServo	ninjashogun: you could correct yourself by just reading a little.	[00:15]
Apocalyptic	seriously this shit is too good	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	such original, much trust well splendid.	[00:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00619999 = 0.2976 BTC [+]	[00:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299897 = 0.365 BTC [+]	[00:15]
benderp	if it's only going to take a weekend, ninjashogun, go do it and stop yammering.	[00:16]
Apocalyptic	I think you've written a trilema article on that in 2012 or 2013	[00:16]
TomServo	Sorry, I've been away a while - are we still going on about the social media rape whistle?	[00:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00624362 = 0.3434 BTC [+] {2}	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic i tihnk so to, but why read when one could have ideas	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	(on which i also wrote, but w/e, writing is overrated)	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	TomServo we're mostly doing buffett now.	[00:17]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: that sounds much better. More since the bitbet and your "new era" article?	[00:18]
benderp	ninjashogun: luck?	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	nah, about that.	[00:18]
benderp	ninjashogun: i begin to understand your grasp of software development.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	lookin at shit like http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/#b84 i'm really curious if we're going to see a ~20k btc bet if come next year btc is still derping around 500 and berkshire is ~250l	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	also, http://25.media.tumblr.com/825d7bea9d134c86281c70de284be9cf/tumblr_mrab9er6mi1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg	[00:20]
dexX7	i don't get it? why did you mark this bet?	[00:20]
jurov	dexX7 it got highlighted auto	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 people are making 10 btc bets on a 170/9 btc pool with 10k diff	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00081119 = 6.5301 BTC [-]	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	No pays: 1.01721766 BTC	[00:21]
dexX7	ah	[00:21]
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mircea_popescu	a 1% is apparently within the market granularity.	[00:22]
dexX7	yea, got it	[00:22]
Apocalyptic	"Something like that needs to be done! We must counterattack and find the criminals who do this kind of theft!	[00:22]
Apocalyptic	Otherwise, the altcoin and bitcoin world is going to fall apart! Who will want to have unsafe coins?"	[00:22]
Apocalyptic	the thread keeps on delivering	[00:22]
benderp	mircea_popescu: pits and tits!	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	benderp if anyone was curious to see how the bega looks.	[00:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0062764 = 1.2553 BTC [+]	[00:23]
benderp	your dog?	[00:23]
benderp	your bitch?	[00:23]
kakobrekla	his pit.	[00:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00634499 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2}	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	nah, i don't have a dog.	[00:24]
benderp	hers?	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	its just a babieh yet	[00:25]
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benderp	babby puppieeeeees	[00:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-]	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	also, bawling	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/38137ba3e59166a3a43dbae9924e89dd/tumblr_mr7baspVZg1rztzruo1_1280.jpg	[00:25]
dexX7	http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/20/bitcoin-is-the-new-paypal/ slightly related to "scammers kill bitcoin".. half of it is about the beginning of paypal and the troubles they faced	[00:26]
ozbot	Bitcoin Is The New PayPal \| TechCrunch	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	tech crutch. read all about how you don't need to really understand anything about new tech.	[00:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 182 @ 0.0063977 = 1.1644 BTC [+] {3}	[00:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07299897 = 0.584 BTC [+]	[00:27]
benderp	i think i'll be getting my babe and my pit another puppy here soon.	[00:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 168 @ 0.00639999 = 1.0752 BTC [+] {2}	[00:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	that came out a little...	[00:28]
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benderp	yeah?	[00:30]
jurov	http://www.welivesecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/operation_windigo.pdf	[00:31]
ThickAsThieves	i these articles that take so many words to say something you'd see in a tweet	[00:31]
ThickAsThieves	hate*	[00:31]
jurov	tl;dr: 25k linux servers used as botnet, access gained using stolen passwords	[00:31]
ThickAsThieves	Paypal was and is a target for scammers and hackers, bitcoin is too! better have good security!	[00:31]
dexX7	haha yea, that's the tltr	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	tl;dr : things happen in ways things happen, it's very important to either this or the other and make sure you brush your tits in the morning.	[00:34]
jurov	and check your balls	[00:34]
jurov	The first thing that stands out when looking at the data is the average length, which is much longer	[00:35]
jurov	than we expected. The average length is	[00:35]
jurov	11	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	hmm so the new Bitcoin "Core" allows payment requests	[00:36]
jurov	.	[00:36]
jurov	09	[00:36]
jurov	characters, a lot longer than the	[00:36]
jurov	7	[00:36]
jurov	.	[00:36]
jurov	63	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	cant wait for scammers to game that	[00:36]
jurov	characters average	[00:36]
jurov	found in the LulzSec leak, which was	[00:36]
jurov	analyzed	[00:36]
jurov	in	[00:36]
jurov	2011	[00:36]
jurov	. This most likely reflects the fact that system	[00:36]
jurov	administrators are more conscious about the importance of strong passwords than the average	[00:36]
jurov	Internet user.	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	stahp!	[00:36]
jurov	ooh sorry	[00:36]
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mircea_popescu	i think we should institute a 1 bitcent fine for unseemly behaviour	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	to be voluntarily sent to teh donations address	[00:37]
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ThickAsThieves	we should also have a bitcoin judgement system	[00:37]
Neil	.d	[00:38]
ozbot	4.250 billion \| Next Diff in 939 blocks \| Estimated Change: 9.3854% in 5d 21h 25m 29s	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	oh wait	[00:38]
Neil	;;prevdiffchange	[00:38]
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gribble	11.38694	[00:38]
jurov	was that 17 lines? guess i'm sending 0.17btc as donation then	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	jurov per instance not per lines	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	or 1sat per line	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	too dusty	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	whichever is greater	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	dude if someone pastes 10k lines...	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15852 @ 0.00081407 = 12.9046 BTC [+]	[00:38]
TomServo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyD3pomSxko	[00:39]
ozbot	Charlamagne Doesn't Care if White People Say N-Word - YouTube	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	we can back tax ninjashogun	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	he'd have to have btc first.	[00:39]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: you might appreciate that, he may even be a reader	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	TomServo i thought he was dead ?	[00:39]
TomServo	could be, I wouldn't know	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	;;google charlemagne	[00:39]
gribble	Charlemagne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Charlemagne - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com: ; Charlemagne (Holy Roman emperor) -- Encyclopedia Britannica:	[00:39]
TomServo	around 2:00 is the more relevant piece	[00:40]
TomServo	or the beginning I should say	[00:40]
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mircea_popescu	o it's standup	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	drug war veteran lol	[00:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61887799 = 1.2378 BTC [+]	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	the blood argument is incredibly weak. there's a shitton of blood on "romanian", doth not make it particularly unusable.	[00:43]
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diametric	https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1428	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so you got me reading the adventures of the 14th waffen grenadiers, which resulted in much amusement at the freitag guy	[00:47]
diametric	better not produce any yellow measurement devices.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol	[00:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00391 = 0.1955 BTC [+]	[00:53]
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moiety	mircea_popescu: Live action versions now available! http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/15/a-naked-woman-jogs-down-a-busy-london-high-street-and-its-all-caught-on-camera-4588995/	[00:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00081382 = 36.6626 BTC [-] {3}	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	moiety good for you	[01:01]
moiety	thanks, the photo tours gave me the idea	[01:01]
Neil	Glass beads going for $600 a piece	[01:02]
benderp	blow stamps to be had for cheap	[01:02]
benderp	;;ticker	[01:02]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 611.98, Best ask: 611.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 611.99, 24 hour volume: 6981.71545735, 24 hour low: 605.11, 24 hour high: 623.95, 24 hour vwap: 613.150833954	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	Neil are they on a string ?	[01:03]
benderp	can we buy them already in a butt?	[01:03]
Ghaleon	what is the best route for a startup to go public btc style?	[01:03]
benderp	list on cryptostocks	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry.html	[01:04]
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benderp	oh ho ho garzik's slipping protobufs back into bitcoin	[01:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.0038 = 0.4902 BTC [-]	[01:05]
moiety	http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs17/f/2007/216/d/d/Japanese_Chin_puppy_by_Lena_Lou.jpg i would like one of these, but unsure if actual dog or just cat that can bark	[01:06]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[01:07]
benderp	horrible creatures	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	i'd be curious in what happens if they fuck a rabbit	[01:11]
dexX7	what does the sec want with the user data etc.? i'm wondering, if this is about the sale of sd, btc stocks in general or an investigation about some fraud going on etc..	[01:11]
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mircea_popescu	dexX7 they don't want to say, apparently.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	people have been pointing to "clash of cultures" discussing this, and its true	[01:12]
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mircea_popescu	but the real clash isn't "you wanna phone me ? get on irc"	[01:12]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: might as well ask the buggers to skip straight to kissing the ring (tm)	[01:12]
dexX7	they may not want to say it, sure. but what do you think about it? any guess?	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	the clash of cultures is between the ankylosis of old bureaucratic paperwork and contemporary digital openness	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	i somehow can pursue bitcoin fraud quite in the open. the sec can not. why not ?	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	well... it doesn't have the people, the brains, the training or the intellectual culture.	[01:13]
asciilifeform	or the incentive.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	this obviously will have to chance, and this obviously will change. it's just that a number of otherwise well meaning people didn't even know they had this problem until last month	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 well on what basis would i think about it. i have no idea.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the incentive it does have. it's more effective, more effectual and cheaper. that's really the eos.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 maybe the sale was fictitious. maybe erik had the wrong kind of friends, a la shrem. maybe shrem was his wrong kind of friends. who the hell knows at this point.	[01:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: to the extent sec exists for some actual purpose, that purpose includes infesting the btc world with whatever plagues can be conjured up, not extinguishing them	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	maybe they're honestly just trying to understand wtf is going on. i could sorta see if i was in that position i'd go fishing like this. why not.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	it's an arm of the beast	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how do you know this ?	[01:16]
benderp	ninjashogun: you also owe me 5btc for my time this afternoon ;)	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	i'm not saying it's right or wrong, but how would you know ?	[01:16]
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asciilifeform	because it is a fruit of the poisoned tree (fdr/'newdeal')	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	but even so.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	this view requires it be too perfect a fruit.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	just because her name is lilith does not know she knows how to suck cock, you know ?	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	does not mean*	[01:17]
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asciilifeform	you might as well imagine that 'fda' exists For The Good of The People	[01:18]
Ademan	asciilifeform: some people believe that	[01:18]
Ademan	s/some/many/	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of space between "exists for the good of the people" and "was spawned by the devil and is making him proud"	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	it could just... yoiu know... sorta suck, sorta limp along as best it can...	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	i mean, normal people have normal kids, from down syndrome to superclever.	[01:19]
Ademan	mircea_popescu: I got a good chuckle out of your correspondence with the SEC, bravo.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	the devil only has superclever kids ? how.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	Ademan cheers.	[01:19]
moiety	he included therapy costs for the stress	[01:19]
asciilifeform	all of these tentacles limp along, until they encounter... a meal.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	then, delicious crunch crunch	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	well maybe.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	you ever seen a kid try to feed a lizzard ?	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	or w/e other reptile.	[01:20]
asciilifeform	sec can be manned by devils, or by mild-mannered bureaucrats just plodding along, paying their credit card bills. but in point of fact, it is a machine built for preventing americans from doing certain voluntary things with their money	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	it's true that reptiles are great hunters. it's false that they're uber hunting machines as the kid imagines them	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which : anyone remember tom green's performance in road trip ?	[01:20]
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asciilifeform	just the same way as nsa is built for a certain purpose	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that it fails at. miserably.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	repeatedly.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	despondently. bleakly.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	you have no idea what depression is until you've seen the depths through the eyes of a high ranking bureaucrat.	[01:21]
Neil	Lol, "as well as his account statements"	[01:21]
asciilifeform	no need to go far for other examples. fbi, for instance, mainly relies on entrapment to manufacture 'terrorists'	[01:21]
joecool	heh i never read the bitvps story on trilema	[01:22]
asciilifeform	(see the 'new york death ray' case recently)	[01:22]
joecool	mircea_popescu: heroin was the likely answer regarding that case	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	joecool how you mean ?	[01:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.054598 = 0.3276 BTC [+] {2}	[01:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}	[01:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]	[01:23]
joecool	mircea_popescu: i'm guessing he got embarrassed about his habit and stopped reporting P&L statements when the L was coming from heroin acquisitions	[01:23]
joecool	bitvps 2.0 was supposed to happen for him too but he started selling the equipment he lined up for that last week	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	afaik he got some job in the uk and forgot all about this	[01:25]
Apocalyptic	lolwhat	[01:25]
joecool	LOL	[01:25]
Apocalyptic	^	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	at the time bitcoin didn't look as big as it does today. iirc it was ~2-5 bux per or somesuch	[01:26]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ever read 'Man-Eaters of Kumaon', by J. Corbett ?	[01:26]
Ghaleon	heroin eh?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/b865dd69b609d36eb46a1e982ce15c83/tumblr_mqpdtfDEkZ1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg	[01:27]
joecool	Ghaleon: yes	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	or, "every ass looks good on a bike. that's why we buy bikes"	[01:27]
asciilifeform	a study of tigers and when/how/why they eat human	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nop	[01:27]
Ghaleon	we need to propel bit coin to mass respectability,.. one inch at a time	[01:27]
asciilifeform	essence being, it is the weak/old/injured beasts that are the most dangerous to man	[01:27]
asciilifeform	rather than the strongest	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	this is true, yeah	[01:27]
Ghaleon	tiger only go man eater when they lose their teeth , get wounded and cannot hunt normal prey, most animals avoid humans	[01:28]
asciilifeform	because they are unable to catch the meat that they actually like	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	it's not a matter of like.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	any population has its marginals	[01:28]
Ghaleon	yes, much as among humans, it is the cowards we must watch for.. not the brave ones	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	those marginals have to still make ends meet	[01:28]
benderp	or as I say to my staunchly little-d democratic friends "everything is born, matures, ossifies and dies. governments are no different."	[01:28]
asciilifeform	well, their standard diet, for whatever biological reason	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	why do you think it's mostly the lowlifes that scam ?	[01:28]
asciilifeform	right	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	because they got offered the cushy sec job and passed on it to be on the street ?	[01:28]
asciilifeform	so u.s. bureaucrats are not harmless merely because of their everyday impotence.	[01:29]
Ghaleon	humans are good creatures by nature	[01:29]
asciilifeform	if anything, they are hungry for easy meat	[01:29]
asciilifeform	like 'silk roat' et al.	[01:29]
asciilifeform	*road	[01:29]
Ghaleon	the system is corrupt. it makes monsters out of many of us	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	except i'm a fucking briar patch.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	nobody sane would try to bite a rosehip bush.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	best go after actual meat.	[01:29]
benderp	"hardest target in bitcoin", to quote a guy.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	no argument. just that some naive lost soul might mistakenly conclude that 'u.s. bureaucrats, harmless'	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	a, certainly. nothing man made is harmless.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	storytime	[01:31]
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mircea_popescu	i know a case of a woman that died through exploded colon because she and her coworker shoved an air compressor outlet in her ass	[01:31]
asciilifeform	in the ussr, trade in (and even possession) of gold bullion was theoretically a capital opffense	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	and pushed go.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	air compressors, turns out, are very dangerous and quite lethal	[01:31]
asciilifeform	*offense	[01:31]
asciilifeform	it was largely never enforced, except for a certain very famous case where it was.	[01:31]
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asciilifeform	bureaucrats wanted to 'look tough' that one time.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the air compressor story is inescapably linked in my mind with Latvia.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	it seriously happened here, not urban legend or anything.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	where the germans came across a school full of orthodox jews and publicly dispatched them in exactly this way.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	it was in a mechanic's shop	[01:32]
asciilifeform	(or rather, adjacent to one)	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	http://www.amosnews.ro/arhiva/joc-erotic-terminat-tragic-17-11-2005	[01:33]
ozbot	Joc erotic terminat tragic	[01:33]
deadweasel	the ole airhose in the outhose, lethal she be	[01:33]
asciilifeform	except the jerries did it in reverse	[01:33]
asciilifeform	hose in mouth	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform can't blame them. it's only the past 10-20 years that you can safely go in the undies of people picked off the street.	[01:34]
benderp	modern impalement.	[01:34]
asciilifeform	lol	[01:35]
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asciilifeform	benderp: impalement (of the king vlad, rather than assyrian, variety) was a much more leisurely affair	[01:36]
asciilifeform	the 'client' would be left alone with his thoughts for some days.	[01:36]
benderp	goodness.	[01:36]
benderp	fed?	[01:36]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, is it worth a read ?	[01:36]
asciilifeform	esp. if the stake was thick (the 'dracula' chronicle i translated some weeks ago carefully specified 'thick')	[01:37]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: is what worth read	[01:38]
asciilifeform	?	[01:38]
Apocalyptic	'Man-Eaters of Kumaon', by J. Corbett	[01:38]
asciilifeform	it is.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	but the general fact behind the animals described therein is, i believe, well-known.	[01:38]
Apocalyptic	will get one then	[01:38]
asciilifeform	it is largely about how tigers were hunted (written by a professional)	[01:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6102 @ 0.00361384 = 22.0517 BTC [-] {47}	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoingirl.org/	[01:40]
ozbot	Bitcoin Girl	[01:40]
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mircea_popescu	is this the same one as before or a totally different identical one ?	[01:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 13898 @ 0.00312378 = 43.4143 BTC [-] {39}	[01:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: when do we get 'dollar girl' ?	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	i think marlin was dollar girl	[01:41]
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joecool	lol not Leah	[01:41]
asciilifeform	ninjashogun: almost certainly not, given that it isn't commercially available last i checked	[01:41]
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mircea_popescu	http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/marilyn-monroe-3-andrew-fare.jpg	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	that one.	[01:42]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'Courtesans and Fishcakes' (J.N.Davidson) mentions an ancient greek whore affectionately called 'Obole' (after her price, 1 obol)	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	hehe.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	nah, the greek girl was phyrne	[01:43]
Shakespeare	"and an e-mail sent to a general mailbox at SatochiDice was unanswered." I wonder why!	[01:43]
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Shakespeare	SEC isnt run by the devil or whatever, i thought it was run by perverts and sex addicts?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	i didn't even know they had an inbox	[01:44]
asciilifeform	ninjashogun: there is sufficient information available about 'trezor' to learn the answer to this. but please do own homework	[01:44]
Shakespeare	if they dom it's certainly not satoChidice.com	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	dude what's with these people mispelling sites	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	the daphne chick misspelled her own email in her own sigblock, it's like...	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	do you even type!	[01:44]
asciilifeform	mispelling is 'yesterday' - 'today' is 'bit-squatting.'	[01:45]
asciilifeform	ninjashogun: if you must know, the answer is no.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	carsam ^ you misspelled the domain name.	[01:45]
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Shakespeare	<@assbot> [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 13898 @ 0.00312378 = 43.4143 BTC [-] {39} /// impressive!	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	so til my name means Peace Priest.	[01:49]
dexX7	ninjashogun: trezor firmware is open source afaik, so you can always verify for yourself or push your own version	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	i am hereby the first and probably only simpleminded psychotic peace priest.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	SPPP	[01:49]
asciilifeform	dexX7: in what sense is it open source?	[01:49]
Ademan	asciilifeform: I was under the impression both the hardware and software are going to be open source	[01:50]
benderp	Shakespeare: what was the slippage on that one?	[01:50]
Ademan	"slush said so in the advertising video"	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	Ademan the space between going to be and is.	[01:50]
asciilifeform	dexX7: the vendor's site has a bunch of stuff but none of the actual interesting bits. this may change at some point, ask him.	[01:50]
Ademan	mircea_popescu: considering the trezor hasn't been released yet though, it hardly bothers me.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	although there are interesting bits that can be inferred merely from the pcb mask posted by the author.	[01:51]
Ademan	not that I'll give them any money right now though	[01:51]
asciilifeform	but, why should i steal all of the surprises? it's unsportsmanlike.	[01:51]
dexX7	"Some of the sources are at http://github.com/trezor/. We are in the process of finalizing and cleaning up the sources and preparing a security audit of the code. We will publish the sources before shipping TREZOR to our customers."	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	Ademan kinda in the same boat myself.	[01:51]
dexX7	ah i didn't know that not everything was already released	[01:51]
Shakespeare	Shakespeare: what was the slippage on that one? /// I dunno if it'd be fair to assess considering the volatility daily, but I think the sale started about 20% higher than where it ended	[01:52]
Shakespeare	last week it was a similar price though	[01:52]
Shakespeare	so overall not a bad out for whoever	[01:52]
benderp	so copyright and patents. do these survive the bitpocalypse?	[01:52]
Ademan	benderp: nope, IP bad	[01:53]
Shakespeare	they survive, via WoT	[01:53]
Ademan	Shakespeare: how does WoT = IP?	[01:53]
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Ademan	or ~= even	[01:53]
Ademan	(not the perl meaning though)	[01:54]
Shakespeare	it certainly doesnt equal it	[01:54]
Shakespeare	but in as much as what copyright really is	[01:54]
benderp	"IP bad" an argument doth not make, Ademan.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	Ademan: how does WoT = IP << see mp's piece on how 'the same string, emitted from different mouths, is worth different amount'	[01:54]
asciilifeform	wot tells you which mouth.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	benderp that's complicated.	[01:54]
benderp	mircea_popescu: i know. kinda why i bring it to the sages.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	i think your cancer joke is too soon.	[01:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 981 @ 0.00015394 = 0.151 BTC [+]	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/237/789/830.jpg	[01:57]
Shakespeare	what's this nonsense where if you direct link a WSJ article, you get a paywall	[01:57]
Shakespeare	but if you Google it, you dont	[01:57]
Shakespeare	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304026304579449782511589924?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304026304579449782511589924.html	[01:58]
ozbot	SecondMarket Seeks to Open Bitcoin Fund to Ordinary Investors - WSJ.com	[01:58]
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Shakespeare	SecondMarket seeks to get a call from Ms. Waxman	[01:58]
Ademan	asciilifeform: Well the objectionable part of IP for me is more patent trolling, punishing independent discovery of the same thing, stupidly narrow fair use policies. I'd definitely be ok with an independent institution that tracks initial discoveries, and if the market is willing to pay more for products from them, then great	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	"seeks" you know ?	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	alaskan husky seeks to knit sweater	[01:58]
asciilifeform	what prevents 'ordinary investor' from simply buying btc somewhere?	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't understand the press do you.	[01:59]
Shakespeare	"SecondMarket Inc. is racing to open up a private bitcoin investment fund to ordinary investors as soon as the fourth quarter, potentially beating a rival offering by two investors best known for their lawsuit against Facebook Inc. FB -1.37% chief executive Mark Zuckerberg."	[01:59]
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Shakespeare	such a painful sentence	[01:59]
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Shakespeare	oh they are SO COOL for not spelling out Winklevoss	[01:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: evidently not.	[02:00]
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Ademan	I can't wait until the absurd amount of funds on wallstreet join in the price rollercoaster	[02:00]
asciilifeform	why does anybody interested in btc need a 'fund' ?	[02:00]
asciilifeform	someone please enlighten me?	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	Ademan it's complicated.	[02:01]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform because the average american owns some bezzle called 401k	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	which he's not allowed to spend on normal nonbezzle items	[02:01]
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Shakespeare	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/19/bitbeat-kncminer-flips-the-scrypt-sells-2-million-of-new-rigs-in-four-hours/?mod=WSJBlog	[02:01]
ozbot	BitBeat: KnCMiner Flips the Scrypt; Sells $2 Million of New Rigs in Four Hours - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	should bitcoin get bezzle status, adelman problem	[02:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes, i know of this - one time got a new job and forgot to opt out, lost a few bucks into nevernever land	[02:02]
Shakespeare	above link pairs well with http://bitbet.us/bet/789/ltc-to-pass-25-on-btce-before-april/	[02:02]
Shakespeare	to bad that bet ends so soon	[02:02]
Shakespeare	too*	[02:02]
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kakobrekla	not much game on ltc bets	[02:03]
Ademan	it's also a sufficient PITA to buy BTC (legally) and the average person likes investing in HerpDerp Corp, and are no doubt frightened by there being no CEO of Bitcoin to hate	[02:03]
Shakespeare	if you had LTCbet.us maybe more action	[02:03]
Shakespeare	of course AltBet.us would have to come first	[02:04]
Shakespeare	she's selfish like that	[02:04]
Ademan	crapcoinbet.us	[02:04]
diametric	theres ltc bombs if i'm not mistaken	[02:04]
kakobrekla	well i guess that is another thing you can build on top of bbet, on the fly exchange	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	^	[02:04]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: that sounds like a good way to end up playing 'moldbug's chess'	[02:05]
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Shakespeare	so you'd be okay with an ATC mirror that simply converted to BitBets?	[02:05]
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diametric	http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/	[02:05]
asciilifeform	'Imagine a chess game. Now, imagine a group of kibitzers watching the chess game. Now, imagine the kibitzers begin to bet on the game. The betting will create odds. The odds express each side's probability of winning. This is a prediction market. To turn this prediction market into a decision market, we say: could we get rid of one of the players, and just have the kibitzers play the game?'	[02:05]
asciilifeform	http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html	[02:05]
ozbot	Unqualified Reservations: The Hanson-Moldbug debate	[02:05]
kakobrekla	;;google moldbugs chess	[02:05]
gribble	Unqualified Reservations: The Hanson-Moldbug debate: ; Overcoming Bias : My Moldbug Debate: ; Bruce Charlton's Miscellany: The Leftism of Mencius Moldbug:	[02:05]
diametric	How is the market cap going to be determined in that bet?	[02:06]
kakobrekla	ah	[02:06]
diametric	oh wait it has a link in it	[02:06]
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Shakespeare	the bet is over no?	[02:06]
diametric	Does Ripple count?	[02:07]
diametric	this bet seems super ambiguous	[02:07]
Shakespeare	the bet is closed man	[02:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889 BTC [+]	[02:07]
diametric	Apparently I'm blind	[02:07]
diametric	as well	[02:07]
diametric	carry on	[02:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]	[02:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.619158 = 3.0958 BTC [+] {3}	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	diametric is super confused.	[02:08]
Ademan	mircea_popescu: is reddit's /u/MPOE-PR legit?	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	uh whassat ?	[02:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.629622 = 3.1481 BTC [+] {3}	[02:09]
Ademan	http://www.reddit.com/user/MPOE-PR	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	ah, no.	[02:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63010999 = 2.5204 BTC [+] {2}	[02:10]
diametric	more popescu clones	[02:10]
Ademan	diametric: *PR clones	[02:10]
Ademan	wow, AM1 is actually recovering	[02:11]
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ThickAsThieves	what does recovering mean?	[02:11]
Ademan	whoa	[02:12]
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ThickAsThieves	whoa	[02:12]
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ThickAsThieves	http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ --- Yes, now pays 2%, woot!	[02:13]
Ademan	well, it's been down to 0.4 iirc	[02:13]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	robertmcmillan ello.	[02:13]
ThickAsThieves	"Facebook Security Director Joins Bitcoin Startup Coinbase"	[02:14]
novusordo	neato	[02:14]
ThickAsThieves	from Wired?	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	robertmcmillan to speak you type in the little box on the bottom and hit enter	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves prolly.	[02:15]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform not sure how this correlates , explain ?	[02:15]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: any kind of heavy machinery directly wired to a prediction market is, well... this.	[02:15]
ThickAsThieves	kako only suggested a conversion mechanism, no?	[02:16]
kakobrekla	correct	[02:16]
asciilifeform	not that it's a bad idea per se, just that the builder must be careful to avoid creating a situation where someone can lift out of his pockets by artificially steering the machine using a heavy bet	[02:17]
robertmcmillan	Hey Mircea. Sorry not used to this UI. How do I DM you?	[02:17]
ThickAsThieves	there's mor ethan one way to design such a thing for bitbet, so i could see a bad design being possible	[02:18]
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kakobrekla	i see only one way	[02:18]
Radi	rbones rbonestell_ reeses riX2000 robertmcmillan rodgort Rulother rum234 ryan-c	[02:18]
ThickAsThieves	well how do you handle payout in alts?	[02:18]
asciilifeform	roughly, fooling the system by betting in a particular way should always have -EV.	[02:19]
kakobrekla	but whatever, lets not get into that, someone should at least try to do it though	[02:19]
dexX7	Ademan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438359.msg4816701#msg4816701 + data sheet "leaked" yesterday ... gen 3 is coming	[02:19]
asciilifeform	as soon as it has +EV under any conceivably-predictable circumstances, you're fucked	[02:19]
Ademan	dexX7: yeah, saw that, wasn't gen3 supposed to be out by this month though?	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i think his idea was just "offer altcoin betting on bitbet, do alt<>btc conversion for your customers transparently"	[02:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: perhaps i misunderstood then	[02:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0035 = 0.1085 BTC [+]	[02:20]
asciilifeform	my impression was that he suggested coupling a bitbet-like apparatus to a trading bot.	[02:20]
dexX7	Ademan: well, tape-out was scheduled for end of january, but there was no delievery date published to my knowledge	[02:21]
asciilifeform	Ademan: where is the RAM?	[02:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00634444 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2}	[02:21]
ThickAsThieves	or, you could just only use the content and outcome of bitbet, and handle your own escrow of alts	[02:21]
Ademan	asciilifeform: RAM for what? SHA256 doesn't need much memory	[02:21]
asciilifeform	wait i thought this was ltc	[02:21]
asciilifeform	nm	[02:21]
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dexX7	Ademan: additionally there are some who believe there was already a test run with the new chips and a reseller already promoted an am gen3 based miner	[02:22]
kakobrekla	the money flow nao is user->bbet->user, to implement alt you do it user->service->bbet->service->user	[02:22]
kakobrekla	where service is a proxy via exchange	[02:23]
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Ademan	dexX7: I thought I read an update that stated Q1 back in december	[02:23]
ThickAsThieves	problem is you dont wanna convert it twice	[02:24]
novusordo	one of AM's previous resellers posted something about a new miner, with specs	[02:24]
dexX7	that was probably related to the tape out in january	[02:24]
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benderp	robertmcmillan: welcome	[02:24]
dexX7	yea rockxie or so	[02:24]
novusordo	yup	[02:24]
deadweasel	also, why support alts?	[02:24]
kakobrekla	yes well i dont want to do the dishes	[02:24]
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deadweasel	bingo	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	many reasons deadweasel	[02:25]
dexX7	alts are great as testbed	[02:25]
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ThickAsThieves	the easiest being, they exist and always will	[02:25]
ThickAsThieves	best not to pretend otherwise	[02:25]
deadweasel	and the admin work of shuffling them around is absurd	[02:25]
Ademan	ideally you'd accept every payment option possible to maximize your potential customers, really	[02:25]
deadweasel	shells, do you accept my shells?	[02:25]
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ThickAsThieves	send them to my cryptsy wallet	[02:26]
novusordo	pls take my cryptoshekels	[02:26]
kakobrekla	yes, flapcoin will save bbet like bitcoin saved overstock	[02:26]
deadweasel	i didn't say shares, tat	[02:26]
dexX7	unrelated: http://xkcd.com/now awesome :D	[02:26]
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Ademan	deadweasel: well show me the shell/BTC exchange so I can convert them to something useful for me and sure!	[02:27]
deadweasel	mtgox.com	[02:27]
novusordo	oh cool let me just deposit my shells aaaaaand it's gone	[02:28]
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deadweasel	novusordo: you should start cryptoshekels.	[02:28]
deadweasel	give it away to your temple friends	[02:29]
Orion__	hello everyone	[02:29]
novusordo	wouldn't be too difficult	[02:29]
Orion__	i have a tiny little problem and i'm in need of an expert	[02:29]
deadweasel	stackexchange.com	[02:29]
benkay	what's going on Orion__?	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	Orion__ hi	[02:29]
novusordo	seems like everyone and their mother has a personal altcoin now	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	novusordo momcoin. not a bad idea	[02:29]
deadweasel	unfortunately so.	[02:29]
novusordo	so why not me too?	[02:30]
deadweasel	that is the question	[02:30]
ThickAsThieves	well Altcoin renders most altcoins worthless	[02:30]
novusordo	i'll create momcoin under a different pseudonym, and give it slightly different properties than cryptoshekels	[02:30]
Ademan	git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin && cd bitcoin && find -iname '.h' -print0 -o -iname '.cpp' -print0 \| xargs -0 sed -i 's/[Bb]itcoin/CryptoShekels/g'	[02:30]
novusordo	so that i can pump both at the same time	[02:30]
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mircea_popescu	novusordo there are people who consider themselves into various technical fields, such as buildingh	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	who go to specialised stores and buy tools on the principle that the tools are useful, and so why not buy some tools.	[02:32]
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Ademan	novusordo: and I'll create MILFcoin to compete with momcoin	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	then milpcoin	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	miltfcoin	[02:33]
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novusordo	Ademan: i see you're an altcoin design pro	[02:34]
benkay	Ademan: you missed the secret sauce with that one-liner.	[02:34]
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Ademan	lol	[02:35]
benkay	mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: blog updated. look, ma! no bootstrap!	[02:36]
dexX7	what was your blog again, benkay?	[02:36]
benkay	although now the linespacing issue with footnotes is just that much more apparent.	[02:36]
benkay	http://cascadianhacker.com	[02:36]
dexX7	ah ty	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	lol i guess so	[02:36]
dexX7	kinda minimal design approach hehe	[02:37]
benkay	hue hue hue	[02:37]
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mircea_popescu	anyone kept a copy of the s.dice contract ?	[02:38]
dexX7	shouldn't be one on mpex?	[02:39]
benkay	http://web.archive.org/web/20130502173747/http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE	[02:39]
ozbot	S.DICE last 5@0.00311776	[02:39]
benkay	mircea_popescu: may i post a copy of the s.dice contract on my blog?	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	go ahead if you have it	[02:41]
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mircea_popescu	robertmcmillan ^ there's your link	[02:41]
dexX7	ic. weired	[02:43]
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dexX7	nice, archive.org also archived the prospectus pdfs etc.	[02:48]
benkay	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-satoshi-dice-contract.html	[02:51]
ozbot	The Satoshi Dice Contract	[02:51]
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benkay	bonus side effect of ripping out the css and js from my site is how much more snappy it is.	[02:54]
benkay	not even gzipping, i'll bet.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[02:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0008149 = 10.6752 BTC [+] {2}	[03:00]
nubbins`	groan	[03:03]
nubbins`	you guys	[03:03]
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nubbins`	it's like a competition to see whose website can look the shittiest	[03:03]
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decimation	the irony of all this ukrainian nazi talk is that germans were in ukraine for a long time - they were forcibly resettled by Stalin http://www.geocurrents.info/place/russia-ukraine-and-caucasus/the-tragic-saga-of-the-volga-germans	[03:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.0034 = 0.5168 BTC [-] {3}	[03:04]
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decimation	here's a link specific to ukraine http://www.lnu.edu.ua/personal/mdlviv/roboty/grmminor.html	[03:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6200001 BTC [-]	[03:12]
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decimation	In 1897, there lived 345 000 Germans in Ukraine, that was 4,2 % of the population. In 1911, there were 419 000 Germans. ... In spite of it, Germans played an important part in the Ukrainian culture life. Until 1914 many professors at Ukrainian universities were Germans.	[03:13]
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SatoshiJack	Looking for players to test satoshijack.com (Multi-Player Blackjack) No client. Just Browser/HTML5	[03:15]
Ademan	"our custom JS exploit installs our malware for you!"	[03:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05509978 = 0.1102 BTC [+]	[03:18]
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diametric	hah...	[03:27]
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antephialtic	what happened to S.DICE ?	[03:31]
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Ademan	antephialtic: the SEC?	[03:31]
antephialtic	if MP thinks he's not breaking any laws, why would he delist it?	[03:31]
Ademan	He can afford a lawyer, maybe his lawyer informed him otherwise :-p	[03:32]
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mircea_popescu	antephialtic it was delisted like a year ago	[03:33]
moiety	i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone!	[03:33]
antephialtic	ah, nevermind then	[03:34]
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antephialtic	mircea_popescu: do you find it curious that they were willing to accept BTC addresses as identification?	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	guy said he sold it out.	[03:34]
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mircea_popescu	who ? satoshidice ?!	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	that's how it works.	[03:34]
antephialtic	no SEC	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	sec what ?	[03:35]
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antephialtic	the SEC asked you to identify MPEx shareholders of S.DICE, and was willing to accept Name and address OR btc address	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	you know, just because i ask for x y z doesn't automatically mean i consider all of these "identification"	[03:36]
BCB	SEC has a blockchain parser with you names next to all the addresses.	[03:36]
antephialtic	makes you wonder just how far along they are on deanonymization	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	so far they have problems spelling their domain name and following their own regulation.	[03:37]
diametric	anyone have a particular cheap 5v buck converter module on ebay they've had not burn their homes down?	[03:37]
diametric	wait wrong channel.	[03:37]
diametric	though still applies.	[03:37]
Ademan	diametric: there's a buck converter that's intended to be a drop in for the 7805 actually, it's a bit pricey though	[03:38]
antephialtic	perhaps the SEC is inept, but there are other agencies in the US government that contract services from non-inept firms to do their dirty work	[03:38]
antephialtic	and the bumpkins at the SEC may have been given access to such a tool built by such a contractor.	[03:38]
diametric	Ademan: really? thats interesting, link?	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic yeah, some dude was in chan last month.	[03:38]
Ademan	like, $10 pricey, if you want them for prototyping and don't summon too much blue smoke they're probably useful though	[03:38]
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diametric	I'm just curious, the easiest ones I've seen have been the ti simpler switcher ones, but they're not at all a dropin for a 7805	[03:39]
antephialtic	mircea_popescu: let this be a lesson (not to you, but to us) on the importance of using techniques such as merge avoidance, coinjoin & coinswap.	[03:39]
[\]	mircea_popescu	[03:39]
*	mircea_popescu shrugs	[03:40]
[\]	why you gotta be harassing the nice sec lady?	[03:40]
BCB	antephialtic, have you viewed any of the SEC's workproduct pretaining to the pirateat40 case? It's pretty impressive	[03:40]
Ademan	"nice"	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	[\] well she wanted to be friends.	[03:40]
diametric	should have said tits or gtfo	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	you wanna be friends with me you gotta perform.	[03:40]
[\]	mircea_popescu: I forgot you don't play well in the sandbox.	[03:40]
BCB	That would be sexual harrassment	[03:41]
asciilifeform	sec, deanonymization << meta-nsa has patent, will be displeased	[03:41]
antephialtic	BCB: no, but I'm going to have a look	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they actually patent the secret shit too ?	[03:41]
BCB	antephialtic, I'll dig up a link for you.	[03:41]
antephialtic	BCB: found it on scribd already	[03:41]
antephialtic	BCB: http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845205/SEC-vs-pirateat40-2	[03:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: usa has an ancient legal device called 'secret patent'	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	i didn't know they still bothered	[03:42]
Ademan	diametric: you're not in ##electronics ? Anyways http://www.ttiinc.com/object/Murata-Power-High-Efficiency-Switching-Regulators-LM78xx-Pinouts.html actually isn't the one I was thinking of but it's the right idea	[03:42]
BCB	antephialtic, that is the motion for summary judgement	[03:42]
diametric	Ademan: i should join that channel, thanks.	[03:42]
asciilifeform	diametric: what v to what v ?	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	BCB what was so impressive about said "workproduct" ?	[03:43]
[\]	By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193. Many such orders were imposed on individuals and organizations working without government support. This number shrank for each fiscal year thereafter, until 2002. Since 2002, the number of secrecy orders has grown, with 5,002 secrecy orders in effect at the end of fiscal year 2007.	[03:43]
antephialtic	BCB: you have a link to the original complaint?	[03:43]
BCB	antephialtic, check this out: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F27cadnJ.png&t=538&c=DOo6UCxJ5p8-eg	[03:43]
diametric	asciilifeform: realistically I'll be using it for 24V -> 5V, and something around 10-15W without any active cooling	[03:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: getting your patent 'secreted' was once the ultimate crackpot 'street cred' (e.g. flanagan and 'neurophone')	[03:44]
BCB	antephialtic, here is the full history of documents: http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.docket.html	[03:44]
BCB	these guys don't fuck around	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i hope they did at least a dozen troll secretions/year	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	basic opsec anyway.	[03:44]
asciilifeform	afaik it's only ever done to zap potential competition of 'favorite son' dod contractors.	[03:45]
antephialtic	BCB: not bad	[03:45]
BCB	antephialtic, pretty impressive.	[03:45]
BCB	talk about following the money	[03:45]
asciilifeform	sha1 hash? wonder if those are legally binding	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kinda cool that bitcoin is immune.	[03:46]
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asciilifeform	diametric: you might be able to get away with a re-purposed car->usb converter	[03:48]
asciilifeform	for the voltage buck	[03:49]
asciilifeform	barbaric, but you can get them by the dozen	[03:49]
diametric	yeah	[03:49]
asciilifeform	make sure it actually pisses out 5v before connecting anything valuable...	[03:50]
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novusordo	i'm trying to figure out how to power my raspberry pi on 5V to send up in a balloon soon	[03:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0034 = 0.1462 BTC [+]	[04:03]
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mircea_popescu	just add a bunch of cells neh ?	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	get 6 zinc-air together you have about 3 ampere-hour in there.	[04:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'pi' needs 5.0v within 5%, if i recall	[04:15]
asciilifeform	hence his question about vregs.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	to a large degree buttons are small regulating neh ?	[04:16]
asciilifeform	if only.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	can't you get models taht are essentially draw-driven ?	[04:16]
asciilifeform	which is to say, they are, in the sense that a li cell that's been dead for decades will sometimes measure 3.0	[04:17]
asciilifeform	when disconnected	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	ie, they discharge at a given rate, you can alter their actual voltage by the resistence ?	[04:17]
asciilifeform	you can - this is called 'divider' - but it throws away energy	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	well yeah	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	but 6 x .9 = 5.4	[04:17]
asciilifeform	'buck converter' is more efficient, in that it works by letting a cap charge to the desired voltage and then empty into another	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	you're only throwing away like .2 or sometyhing	[04:17]
asciilifeform	voltage dividers also have a nasty habit of non-linearity over current draw	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	or conversely 4 x 1.3 is just about 5.x	[04:18]
asciilifeform	work it out on napkin	[04:18]
asciilifeform	hence people buy 'regulators' - e.g. the ubiquitous 7805	[04:18]
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asciilifeform	or, the slightly more determined, buy/build 'dc-dc' converters, of the kind described previously.	[04:19]
asciilifeform	http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/imgele/voldiv.gif	[04:20]
asciilifeform	no need for napkin!	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	the internet saves paper.	[04:21]
asciilifeform	sure does.	[04:21]
antephialtic	mp: you are famous http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry.html	[04:24]
antephialtic	think the SEC is going to learn about the Streisand Effect	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	was linked afore	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	uh, whatdid they try to delete ?	[04:25]
asciilifeform	http://www.intechopen.com/source/html/39326/media/image14_w.jpg	[04:26]
antephialtic	asciilifeform: when can I buy a cardano?	[04:27]
asciilifeform	antephialtic: there is to be a cardano at mp's party. if you really can't wait, you can come and buy that one.	[04:28]
asciilifeform	why the hurry?	[04:28]
antephialtic	I was recently looking into buying a hardware device for GPG signing and everything on the market looks pretty clunky. I stumbled onto the Cardano, and it seemed pretty well suited to my use case	[04:29]
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asciilifeform	antephialtic: be so kind as to briefly describe your use case - for my enlightenment	[04:30]
antephialtic	have multiple machines that I want to sign emails from, some of which are not fully in my control (e.g. workstation owned by employer)	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	sounds like a winner.	[04:31]
asciilifeform	aha	[04:31]
asciilifeform	this is certainly one of the intended use scenarios, yes.	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic ideally should be available to order late april.	[04:31]
antephialtic	cool, do you have any idea what the pricing will be like?	[04:31]
asciilifeform	mp proposed a tentative price at one point, but that was some time ago	[04:33]
asciilifeform	intent is for the product to be priced competitively vs. the state-of-the-art alternative (i.e. the traditional '90s laptop with linux/gpg in ROM)	[04:35]
asciilifeform	that is, the contrivance i assume everyone here is presently using in lieu of a cardano	[04:35]
asciilifeform	do not neglect to take into account what the substitute costs (incl. one's time)	[04:37]
asciilifeform	the old saw, 'xxxx is free if yer time has no value'	[04:37]
antephialtic	indeed. as long as the price is not obscene, I am willing to pay for convenience without sacrificing security.	[04:37]
diametric	It saddens me my get in wot is not of one generated with a cardano.	[04:39]
diametric	key*	[04:39]
asciilifeform	diametric: you do know that one can change keys in wot	[04:39]
asciilifeform	diametric: assuming, naturally, control of the previous key	[04:40]
diametric	asciilifeform: I swore you had told me you couldn't before.	[04:40]
asciilifeform	you can. it was buggy formerly	[04:40]
diametric	I must have misheard you	[04:40]
asciilifeform	and took ages	[04:40]
asciilifeform	i did mention that i tried and it croaked	[04:40]
asciilifeform	but two weeks later, there it was	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic price won't be obscene	[04:40]
asciilifeform	diametric: afaik the only well-known, interesting place where key can never be changed is mpex	[04:41]
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mircea_popescu	and even there... reg new key, push assets, good to go.	[04:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: unless i'm mistaken, this counts as buying a new subscription	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	aye	[04:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i like to imagine that it covers the cost of a girl etching the new key in a granite plinth	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	lol if it weren't a security issue i suppose i could make rings for people	[04:43]
asciilifeform	and tossing the old one in the reactor	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	like the superbowl	[04:43]
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mircea_popescu	"Make no mistake that the US gov't already knows the real identity and location of MP."	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	mah real identitty o noes	[04:45]
diametric	I like the ones where you're not actually a person, but a group of individuals pretending to be a guy named Mircea Popescu	[04:45]
novusordo	didn't know about the cardano, interesting	[04:45]
diametric	and of course the one where everyone in this channel is you.	[04:45]
asciilifeform	bourbaki!	[04:46]
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antephialtic	spoiler alert: MP = Satoshi Nakamoto	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	diametric that is actually pretty close to the truth of the matter.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	various people doing my research for me, feeding me links and so on	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	actually come to think of it... i'm like kirk, if the bridge bunnies were actually useful	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	rather than telegenic	[04:47]
antephialtic	do you actually write the tweets?	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	well some are automated reposts from trilema	[04:48]
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antephialtic	if you mind me asking, when did you first hear about BTC?	[04:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00350002 = 0.1645 BTC [+]	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	early 2011.	[04:51]
antephialtic	well, good luck with the SEC business. I suspect it will bring you a lot of attention, releasing those emails has definitely already made some waves.	[04:54]
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Duffer1	what's the plan if they attempt subpeona?	[04:54]
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Mats_cd03	Can "I am Satoshi Nakamoto" be a thing?	[04:56]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[04:56]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079813 / 0.00080834 / 0.00081619 (2123197 shares, 1,716.28 BTC), 7D: 0.00079084 / 0.00081827 / 0.00089749 (8082472 shares, 6,613.68 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085022 / 0.0008982 (30740127 shares, 26,136.16 BTC)	[04:56]
thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[04:56]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008149 BTC [+]	[04:56]
Mats_cd03	A la Fight Club	[04:56]
thestringpuller	lol	[04:57]
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antephialtic	I would actually buy the bitcoin glasses from the newsweek cover	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 it doth say there, mpex does comply with legal requests.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	basically, there's two avenues open. you can make a legal request, or you can make a legal request.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	to make a friendly request you gotta be friends. the path ot becoming friends is detailed.	[04:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00366979 = 0.9174 BTC [+] {9}	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	to make a legal request you gotta make that legal request. i wouldn't presume to teach teh sec how to do that.	[04:59]
antephialtic	MP: it would have been way cooler if they had joined the WOT :-(	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 i don't see why not. i thought it already is, but more like "he is satoshi nakamoto"	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic they probably will.	[04:59]
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thestringpuller	WoT is open source no?	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	sure	[05:00]
thestringpuller	or at least nanotube 's gribble is	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	the two are distinct.	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	heh i got confused earlier. " you can make a friendly request, or you can make a legal request" is what i meant	[05:00]
benkay	no no it was much better the first way	[05:01]
antephialtic	besides, I don't think MP is the one in trouble here. Voorhees, on the other hand ...	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i dunno why people are so touchy really.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	but i do imagine it makes administerting justice in the us fucking impossible.	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how cops can manage in that sort of poisonous atmosphere	[05:02]
thestringpuller	lol watch an episode of cops	[05:02]
Mats_cd03	if someone makes t shirts with "i am satoshi nakamoto" with a v for vendetta theme or ghost in the shell, i will be your first customer	[05:02]
antephialtic	police treatment in the US is very different depending on race and socioeconomic status	[05:02]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell nubbins` ^	[05:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 700 @ 0.00047503 = 0.3325 BTC [+] {4}	[05:03]
antephialtic	if you are a white guy it is pretty much cheat mode	[05:03]
Mats_cd03	cops is a theatrical production	[05:03]
diametric	antephialtic: if you're upper middle class white guy	[05:03]
antephialtic	if you are black/hispanic you get hassled, constantly	[05:03]
diametric	poor white guys only fare a little bit better	[05:03]
antephialtic	agreed.	[05:03]
asciilifeform	people have this odd concept that encounters with police take place exclusively in traffic	[05:04]
thestringpuller	Mats_cd03: if you sell 6 shirts I'll do it	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well cause the us made the mistake of giving the cops squad cars	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	so now they won't ever get out of them if they can help it	[05:04]
asciilifeform	if they're 'the bullet with your name on it, not the shrapnel addressed 'to occupant'' - doesn't matter if you're black, white, martian	[05:04]
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mircea_popescu	wait what ?	[05:05]
joecool	mircea_popescu: the bigger ones moved up to SUVs. more room	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	heh	[05:06]
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benkay	Mats_cd03: google "i am satoshi nakamoto"	[05:06]
antephialtic	actually I have seen quite a few urban cops on segways.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	jesus why is everyone so opposed to walking	[05:07]
thestringpuller	;;google site: trilema.com mpex tech stuff	[05:07]
antephialtic	like a less intimidating version of robocop	[05:07]
gribble	MPEx tech stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; MPEx security breach pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	walking is great!	[05:07]
asciilifeform	if i recall, there was a fed. gov grant for them to buy the machines	[05:07]
asciilifeform	accounted for a good fraction of the net sales	[05:07]
antephialtic	Dean Kamen must have had a friend in the DoJ	[05:07]
asciilifeform	'poetic justice' - the idiot who bought segway corp. ended up driving his... off a cliff.	[05:07]
dexX7	says a guy who rides a horse in the desert ;)	[05:08]
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asciilifeform	http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39377851/ns/world_news-europe/t/segway-company-owner-rides-scooter-cliff-dies/	[05:08]
ozbot	Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff - World news - Europe \| NBC News	[05:08]
asciilifeform	last words, 'noooooooo....'	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	hahaha i did not know that	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	weird. wild.	[05:08]
joecool	mircea_popescu: true story, I was actually stopped by a cop multiple times one day because I decided to walk to the next town instead of driving one day, he damanded to know my destination and I refused to provide him with it.	[05:08]
joecool	mircea_popescu: walking in the US is suspicious behavior	[05:09]
novusordo		[05:09]
mircea_popescu	nutty	[05:09]
antephialtic	In many parts of the US, especially the south, townships are designed such that walking is impractical and everyone must have a car	[05:09]
antephialtic	to keep the homeless away	[05:09]
novusordo	damnit, window focus	[05:09]
asciilifeform	many years ago, as a freshly graduated kid, i worked in a dreadful salt mine where one of the products was a military bot based on a segway with the top part sawn off.	[05:10]
asciilifeform	worked about as well as you'd expect	[05:10]
asciilifeform	100% gov. funded	[05:10]
asciilifeform	they even had the audacity to... solicit donations from the public!	[05:10]
MisterE	joecool: living in the US is suspicious behavior	[05:10]
asciilifeform	'help our beloved warriors in iraq'	[05:10]
joecool	MisterE: of course, though I intend to eventually move out	[05:10]
MisterE	lol asciilifeform	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform did it produce ?	[05:11]
MisterE	joecool: if you can work remotely don't hesitate	[05:11]
MisterE	I left the US 8-years ago and never looked back best thing I ever did	[05:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not afaik	[05:11]
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joecool	MisterE: you're the second one who has told me that now	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	so where'you now ?	[05:11]
MisterE	mircea_popescu: no just a few billion thrown at a contractor, its a jobs program	[05:11]
MisterE	Asia	[05:12]
MisterE	joecool: I might have told you once in the past heh	[05:12]
MisterE	I recommend everyone with a head on their shoulders gtfo of US now	[05:12]
joecool	MisterE: did you own a VPN company for awhile?	[05:12]
MisterE	come live here where cost of living is so low	[05:12]
MisterE	no not me	[05:12]
MisterE	you can have western standard of living for a few hudred USD /month	[05:13]
antephialtic	MisterE: SE Asia?	[05:13]
antephialtic	Thailand is quite cheap, yes. Lots of security people there as well	[05:13]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "This means that the physical machine which hosts the trading engine is not accessible directlyii from the Internet." <<< so if i were to vpn a machine with a private gpg key and send data over the wire (via some computer) I would never have to worry about the keyring being compromised? Or is the most effective way to sign/encrypt/decrypt/verify data on an airgapped machine then marshall it over v	[05:13]
MisterE	I was in land use planning and commercial development permitting	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry	[05:13]
MisterE	antephialtic: yes my 'home base' is Bangkok	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	check out businessweek. an entire article, no links.	[05:13]
MisterE	lol	[05:14]
MisterE	such crap journalism these days	[05:14]
antephialtic	MisterE: have you ever been to Vang Vieng, Laos?	[05:14]
MisterE	I'm working on an idea to address that mircea_popescu	[05:14]
antephialtic	they don't wanna give mpex any pagerank	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	"SatoshiDice listed shares on MPEx in August 2012, according to an MPEx-affiliated website."	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	"SatoshiDice.com, according to a copy of the request posted on the website trilema.com."	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	basically, copy/pasted the bloomberg story.	[05:15]
MisterE	antephialtic: thats how they pronounce it but proper spelling is Vientiane, I have been there several times for visas but can't say I enjoy the place	[05:15]
antephialtic	Vientaine is actually a different city	[05:16]
MisterE	oh?	[05:16]
antephialtic	Vang Vieng is a party location. Went there when I was in college with a few friends. It's like heaven on earth	[05:16]
MisterE	I haven't travelled much in Laos there's not really much there heh	[05:16]
MisterE	oh I believe that, Laos can be lawless	[05:16]
MisterE	thats where TPB guys are chilling out	[05:17]
antephialtic	Anyone here in Japan?	[05:17]
joecool	mircea_popescu: waiting for newsweek's version	[05:17]
joecool	:D	[05:17]
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antephialtic	er... newsweak	[05:18]
MisterE	also lots of drug gangs and chances for big problems if you wanter off the well worn path without a guide /friend in Laos	[05:18]
MisterE	It would be akin to walking around Can Cun back up away from the beach where the narco mansions are	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	joecool well, maybe they find some old guy named mircea popescu somewhere close to burbank.	[05:18]
MisterE	Mexico	[05:18]
antephialtic	yeah, probably not a good idea	[05:18]
MisterE	not for a fat whitey like me :)	[05:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00374477 = 0.749 BTC [+] {5}	[05:19]
dexX7	spoiler: wired.com posts a story on sd + sec, too	[05:19]
antephialtic	off topic, but it appears MH370 has been found	[05:19]
joecool	mircea_popescu: if you look hard enough you can find any name in the US, someone named their kid Adolf Hitler a couple towns over	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic where was it ?	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	"couch cushions"	[05:20]
antephialtic	"Australia Satellite Imagery Locates Two Objects That Look Like Parts of An Aircraft"	[05:20]
antephialtic	"Australia Prime Minister Says Search Aircraft Dispatched to Area, Expected to Arrive Soon"	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	Courtney Love claims she has 'found' missing Malays	[05:20]
antephialtic	no further info.	[05:20]
MisterE	WTF really?	[05:20]
jcpham	In her twat?	[05:20]
antephialtic	this is the WSJ. guessing somewhere in the ocean, however	[05:20]
MisterE	I was sure aliens snatched it out of the air :)	[05:20]
jcpham	Speaking of snatch	[05:21]
MisterE	^ :D	[05:21]
MisterE	.bait	[05:21]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6j21wU9Ce1rz4mcdo1_500.jpg	[05:21]
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antephialtic	http://cdn29.elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-plane-tweet-elite-daily.jpg	[05:22]
antephialtic	fucking supermarket tabloids	[05:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00378979 = 0.1516 BTC [+] {2}	[05:24]
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Duffer1	http://www.coindesk.com/canadian-bitcoin-exchange-lose-100000-in-attack/	[05:30]
dexX7	businessweek also copy pasted "SatochiDice"	[05:30]
Duffer1	You gotta read how they compromised the exchange	[05:31]
asciilifeform	it's this crap - or, 'shall be delivered.' you are your key.	[05:31]
asciilifeform	gotta pick.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 funny huh	[05:31]
dexX7	"Using only the owner’s name, the thief was allegedly able to ..." wow	[05:32]
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Duffer1	lmao	[05:33]
asciilifeform	'At no point during the nearly two-hour-long conversation was the caller asked to verify his identity.' << by coughing up a magic number known to every spammer, aha right	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	"Rogers Data Centres told the Citizen that it is cooperating with the investigation, but that the security issue is not indicative of larger problems at its company."	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	derp	[05:34]
asciilifeform	at this point, these folks can be safely considered as lowered into goxerasty	[05:34]
asciilifeform	anyone who voluntarily does business with them is chumpatron fuel	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	now this is what i would like to see.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	any hoster that does this, fined 100 btc. fixed flat fee.	[05:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00359 = 0.1149 BTC [-] {4}	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	so everyone knows not to keep over 100 btc in hot wallets, and so every hoster has a serious incentive to do security.	[05:35]
asciilifeform	by all rights, 'fined' - by the users - 100% of their revenue	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	flat fee. you give away a server ? that'll be 100 btc.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	story ends there.	[05:36]
dexX7	http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Ottawa+bitcoin+exchange+defrauded+cyber+currency/9628321/story.html this is better. "Rogers said it has offered Canadian Bitcoins a “credit” as a result of the situation. Grant said the credit was nowhere near sufficient to cover the company’s loss and as a result his firm is contemplating legal action."	[05:36]
ozbot	Ottawa bitcoin exchange defrauded of $100,000 in cyber currency	[05:36]
asciilifeform	i can't really picture the local tyrant fining them. now, paying, on the other hand!	[05:36]
asciilifeform	'here's $100k. lose yer coin'	[05:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999992 BTC [+]	[05:40]
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ThickAsThieves	can someone please kill off businessinsider	[05:46]
ThickAsThieves	fukn useless	[05:46]
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bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: you're right, the cardano isn't the holy grail. but teleportation still is. i've edited the article accordingly.	[05:55]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: link fixed, just deleted that last / and it fixed itself. and i thought you'd like the art bit.	[05:56]
bitcoinpete	from citizen: "Canadian Bitcoins is the latest bitcoin exchange to be successfully targeted by thieves. Japanese Mt. Gox was forced out of business last month after hackers successfully infiltrated the exchanges’ security and stole as much as $468 million US worth of bitcoin." karpeles is a hacker now?	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	the press. what do they know.	[06:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081249 = 5.3624 BTC [-] {2}	[06:04]
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joecool	the cardano seems ok if you can maintain physical security, it doesn't even try to stop an opportunistic attacker, i really don't see why it shouldn't have at least a simple auth system	[06:08]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: so what's your internal debate on bitcoin for ccs?	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	joecool but it does. you can destroy it.	[06:13]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: 21:09:35mircea_popescu:the jury in my head is out on the entire topic of bitcoin-backed ccs	[06:14]
joecool	mircea_popescu: assuming i leave it out by accident to go take a shit or whatever, attacker can sign whatever he wants with it, i will know it happened later on when the signature counter is incremented but who knows what he'll have done by that time with my identity	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	joecool well so don't do that.	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete maybe it works out.	[06:15]
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bitcoinpete	ah thought there might've been more there	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[06:17]
joecool	mircea_popescu: i figured you'd say as much, it does seem trivial though to echo a string into the device before key generation, have it set a default counter to 3, and require that same string to be passed to the device in order to activate signing function	[06:18]
joecool	mircea_popescu: when counter hits zero cannot sign anything, need to nuke and generate new keys	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	what if you accidentally leave the string in paste buffer or w/e	[06:18]
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joecool	mircea_popescu: don't do that?	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	so you see my point.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	device is designed to fight enemy not user.	[06:20]
joecool	mircea_popescu: except the secret is worthless without the token, if someone had that secret they'd still need physical possession of the device	[06:20]
joecool	ie. if you did leave your unlock key on a public computer it wouldn't matter unless the attacker also held your device	[06:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05697271 = 0.6267 BTC [+] {4}	[06:21]
dexX7	bitcoinpete> from citizen: ... where's that from? labeling historical btc losses in current exchange rate is stupid fud	[06:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.057 = 0.342 BTC [+]	[06:22]
bitcoinpete	dexX7: from the article you linked, second page	[06:23]
bitcoinpete	like mp said… that's press for ya	[06:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.057 = 0.399 BTC [+]	[06:24]
dexX7	yea it's ridiculous	[06:24]
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bitcoinpete	at least the canadian bitcoins guy had someone to blame, the flexcoin guy was just like "oops, what happened? peace up, a-town down"	[06:26]
joecool	ideally you'd be able to jam a pin in directly on the device to activate it but this increases cost and size substantially	[06:27]
joecool	but it's probably best to never sleep	[06:27]
novusordo	sleep is for the weak	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	joecool so what if someone carries a pin ?	[06:28]
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joecool	mircea_popescu: i meant a series of numbers not a sewing device	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	a	[06:31]
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mircea_popescu	so put it in a safe when not in use.	[06:31]
joecool	mircea_popescu: that is not practical while traveling	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/high-security-portable-briefcase-safe-p-959.html	[06:33]
ozbot	High Security Portable Briefcase Safe by Corporate Travel Safety (Free Shipping) - Travel Safes - Co	[06:33]
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bitcoinpete	"Our Blockchain wallet passphrase was 10 alphanumeric upper and lowercase characters but was not as strong as it could have been, with some similarities to our passwords used on other apps. " http://www.fr33aid.com/1511/fr33-aid-bitcoins-stolen/	[06:34]
joecool	mircea_popescu: bolt cutters to take it and shouldn't be too hard top open in in the right environment after	[06:34]
joecool	*to open	[06:35]
novusordo	carry lube and a ziplock bag	[06:35]
novusordo	store in anal cavity	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	joecool your usecase keeps shifting.	[06:36]
novusordo	might be inconvenient at times but one rarely gets robbed while relieving oneself	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	was this attack of opportunity while you take a shit	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	or is it someone with a fucking plasma cutter	[06:36]
joecool	heh, you're correct a briefcase safe will stop a casual attacker while I take a shit	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	anyway. ima be off for nao, so we can take shits in briefcases later :D	[06:37]
joecool	if it is missing while I am gone, I should be able to revoke the key in the amount of time it takes them to open it	[06:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081333 = 5.368 BTC [+]	[06:37]
MisterE	another example of an entire "news" story without a single link: http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/here-s-how-nasa-thinks-society-will-collapse-20140318	[06:38]
MisterE	like they couldnt even likn to the study?	[06:38]
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mircea_popescu	;later tell benkay i'd say Bitcoin is the name, like Coca-Cola, and bitcoins is the generic, like give me two cokes	[14:11]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeah i see.	[14:11]
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nubbins`	Mats_cd03: i'll make you a shirt if you pay for it (how many times have i said this on irc!)	[14:13]
nubbins`	;;later tell benkay i don't hate the look, i hate the fact that it's barely functional. ;(	[14:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:14]
nubbins`	;;later tell duffer1 latest i heard is that there were unspecified production problems with the coins	[14:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:14]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform check this shit out :	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	"I’m tired of university. I’m tired of having a fucked up sleep schedule, and studying. I’m tired of the fucking time I waste on the internet liking ironic meme pages and managing my facebook reputation, and shitposting on ylilauta.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	I want to run away to Syria and become a fighter, or a pirate singing sea shanties, or a cossack in the Orenburg steppe, or to join a Chechen teip and steal horses from the lowlanders.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	God damn it. Why is modern life so miserable"	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	dude wants to become a fighter!	[14:22]
nubbins`	heh	[14:22]
nubbins`	he sure thinks he does	[14:22]
nubbins`	"i'm tired of being a fighter. i want to manage my facebook reputation"	[14:22]
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mircea_popescu	people with actual trench experience, under actual shelling, and all that will tell you that most noobs have this cry time	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	where they essentially go "i waaaaaaantttt my myyyyspaceeee"	[14:23]
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nubbins`	whoever wrote that has a point, even if badly expressed. they want to stop being an utterly useless shitbag and do something "that matters"	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	course most of that happened before mothers were automatised away from the childrearing process, so traditionally it's noted as "i want my mommy"	[14:24]
nubbins`	not that a white kid getting killed in fucking syria matters	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	i doubt that's what it is, myself.	[14:24]
LordPutin	myspace is making a comeback they're implementing bitcoin wallets on their site now	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	mattering is not much of a general public sport.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	they just want to be hurt. there's a difference between being hurt and mattering.	[14:24]
*	nubbins` ponders this over coffee	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	and it's overall a collapse into feminity (as it is women that mature over being hurt	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	men don't normally, but then again female is the default gender so if you vegetate for long enough you will start exhibiting feminine traits)	[14:25]
nubbins`	wait, is this why wizards grow tits?	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	prett ymuch yeah	[14:25]
*	nubbins` nods slowly	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	somebody linked recently a post about feral children in the romanian sewers	[14:26]
nubbins`	nod	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	and it observed that the girls look like boys	[14:26]
nubbins`	tough times	[14:26]
nubbins`	vs easy times	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	which is true. there is a lot of fludity in human gender, and it is a lot of a function of environment	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	pretty much	[14:26]
nubbins`	ah, the general malaise of western youth	[14:27]
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mircea_popescu	the again maybe the guy is just trolling	[14:28]
nubbins`	who would have thought that a complete lack of meaningful adversity would have produced generations of useless shitbags	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	"Yesterday as I walked to the gym, I saw that all the treadmills were occupied by fatties. so I chose the stairmaster/step machine for a try. to my surprise I saw that you could set your gender only with two options! male and female! I was outraged because although I was assigned a male because of my very big dick I identify with leopard slugs which are hermaphrodites with penises on the back of their heads! so like an	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	y other anti cis activist I did nothing,finished my workout and just bitched on tumblr.it was as if I could hear Gertrude Stein saying..Bravo…Bravo…"	[14:28]
nubbins`	(lotsa people, that's who)	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	^	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` now ask me where i found this guy.	[14:28]
nubbins`	general-malaise.blogspot.com?	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffmar-has-settled/#comment-98591	[14:28]
ozbot	X.IDIFF.MAR has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	my blog, of course.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	i experience the world through it commenting on my blog.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	bettyclamp whoa! what a name! who are ye ?	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5619550#msg5619550 that ?	[14:29]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:29]
nubbins`	dr leering forehead really doesn't like you	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	im sure he doesn't like tits-pr. me... i'm an abstraction.	[14:30]
nubbins`	aren't we all?	[14:31]
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chetty	I think those boys just want to grow up, and have no clue how to do it so they revert to 'go do violence'	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	MisterE yeah, "a study", no link. bs	[14:32]
nubbins`	chetty: well they're certainly not growing up at home	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	chetty while it's true that you could cook your pot of beans in the cinders of someone else's large party,	[14:32]
MisterE	indeed	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	if there's no large party by god you will hjave to gather the wood and strike the tinder.	[14:33]
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chetty	yup, but its more than that, they have no clue what a grown is - never saw one	[14:33]
nubbins`	just wait 20 years	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	this'd be universally true of everyone tho. nobody has a clue what it's like before it's like...	[14:34]
nubbins`	everyone's a liberal until they get some money	[14:34]
chetty	well it kinda helps if you had a father - that was an adult	[14:35]
nubbins`	everyone's a conservative until they go broke ;(	[14:35]
nubbins`	chetty, +1	[14:35]
chetty	hmm not really nubbins' - Gates? Buffet? the rich guys speak much libtard	[14:35]
nubbins`	that's just lip service tho	[14:36]
nubbins`	gates is trying to soothe a guilty conscience	[14:36]
nubbins`	buffet is just trolling	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	everyone's a conservative until they become the richest guy in the valley, at which point their concern suddenly becomes "what if all these thirtysomething conservatives do what i do only better ? QUICK! TO THE LIBTARD MOBILE!"	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` both are trying to make it so their "achievement" such as it is gets more and more difficult to replicate as time goes by.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	it's really quite toxic.	[14:37]
chetty	kick the door shut behind you	[14:37]
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nubbins`	what, making fat stacks isn't an achievement? ;D	[14:38]
nubbins`	speaking of achievements: moose sausage, hashbrowns, eggs, sourdough toast for breakfast	[14:39]
nubbins`	time to start cutting	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	trees, i hope.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	he's a lumberjack and he's okay, he sleeps all night an' he chats all day...	[14:40]
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nubbins`	wait, so doctor squishface lost 11% and is bragging that it outperformed?	[14:57]
kakobrekla	yes outperformed almost everything except for holding the coins in cold storage	[15:04]
chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/dropping-flies-largest-steel-maker-chinas-shanxi-province-defaults-cny-3-billion-deb	[15:04]
ozbot	Dropping Like Flies: Largest Steel Maker In China's Shanxi Province Defaults On CNY 3 Billion In Deb	[15:04]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` you read it here first.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	"outperformed almost everythjing except for mpex stocks which we don't talk about because they suck because they suck because they suck because they have been outperforming all our retarded shit for three years straight now and mp is an asshole who fucks a lot of women and is currently paying one with a huge rack to humiliate us in public so fuck that shit mate!11"	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	forum investing in a dried spunk shell for you.	[15:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.02576745 = 0.1288 BTC [+] {2}	[15:08]
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nubbins`	http://imgur.com/u0gF5kB	[15:14]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[15:14]
nubbins`	^ brekkies	[15:14]
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ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522977.msg5795202#msg5795202	[15:18]
ozbot	Crypto-Stock wont allow me to post a project`	[15:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [+]	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	thats a new one.	[15:20]
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blackwhite	morning peeps	[15:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: dude wants to become a fighter << where'd you dig that one up?	[15:29]
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ThickAsThieves	interesting how these device manufacturers are all backtracking on their plans for dualboot windows/android	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	it's a horrible idea anyway	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	but i wonder who's using what thumb	[15:30]
asciilifeform	lol. intel's porta-turd cancelled?	[15:31]
ThickAsThieves	a Huawei spokesperson says "at this stage there are no plans to launch a dual-OS smartphone in the near future."	[15:31]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/14/5507784/microsoft-and-google-ruin-intel-plan-for-dual-os-tablets	[15:32]
ozbot	Microsoft and Google ruin Intel's plan for dual-OS tablets \| The Verge	[15:32]
asciilifeform	pocket x86. because cell phones don't suck enough.	[15:32]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.itv.com/news/granada/story/2014-03-20/thieves-dig-50ft-tunnel-to-cash-machine/	[15:33]
ozbot	Thieves dig 50ft tunnel to cash machine - ITV News	[15:33]
ThickAsThieves	"These people had obviously spent a long time plotting this crime and I doubt they would have been able to keep their plans secret for all that time, without telling others about their elaborate scheme."	[15:34]
asciilifeform	[insert the obligatory 'idots cannot imagine competence in others' bit here]	[15:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00428 = 0.428 BTC [-]	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/this-privacy-thing/	[15:37]
ozbot	This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform some dood commenting on trilema.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	blackwhite ello	[15:37]
ThickAsThieves	i havent started reading past the journos pm part,	[15:39]
ThickAsThieves	but i pondered this yesterday	[15:39]
asciilifeform	why journarasts want to talk 'in private' is world's biggest non-mystery	[15:39]
nubbins`	i keep getting ughlol and that ninja fella confused	[15:39]
ThickAsThieves	when your wired convo wasnt posted in here	[15:39]
ThickAsThieves	it seemed out of character	[15:40]
asciilifeform	(so they can make up arbitrary turd and attribute it to the victim)	[15:40]
nubbins`	samurai	[15:40]
nubbins`	whatever the fuck	[15:40]
ThickAsThieves	so i assumed you were respecting his desire to not be scooped	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it is, really.	[15:40]
ThickAsThieves	and maintain value in his work	[15:40]
ThickAsThieves	i couldnt think of any other reason	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	i mean wasn't anything of much interest, i guess, and i'm trying to be hospitable/accomodating to the strange mores of these foreign peoples,	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	but it is fucking weird.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yet the value of my work, as public as it is, far exceeds the value of his work.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	i mean these people are what, in 1970 ?	[15:41]
ThickAsThieves	well	[15:41]
ThickAsThieves	you ARE a superior	[15:41]
ThickAsThieves	he works for one	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	there's been a digital revolution since, which they've been covering ad nauseam ever since hte days of the information superhighway	[15:41]
asciilifeform	they can't abide the idea of witnesses	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so then how can what he says be useful or meaningful ?	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves to be flatly honest, i suspect these just aren't matters that anyone over there ever considered. at all.	[15:42]
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mircea_popescu	just like nobody at the sec ever considered stuff.	[15:42]
ThickAsThieves	my website for my marketing business is a logo and an email address, yet i get voicemails everyday	[15:42]
ThickAsThieves	i get people saying they dont remember my email	[15:42]
ThickAsThieves	i get people wanting to mail and fax me things	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah, and that'll go over so fucking well with me, i can see it already.	[15:43]
asciilifeform	haha	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	leah derpman is still "hiding for her lyf" and she didn't even talk to me, so well it worked.	[15:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: surely this is not your first encounter with this species.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	well no, but i never cared to think about these items before it seems	[15:44]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform remind me to tell you the icecream joke. it's one of my favs, but it has to be performed rather than told, so.	[15:44]
ThickAsThieves	i have a theory for at least a factor contributing to this behavior	[15:45]
asciilifeform	the one with brezhnev?	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	so write it up	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nop.	[15:45]
ThickAsThieves	well it's pretty simple	[15:45]
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ThickAsThieves	it's the same thing about people wanting to protect their ignorance from being true	[15:45]
ThickAsThieves	they dont want to LOOK stupid	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	i guess it must be.	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	but it's okay to BE stupid	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	dude so you look stupid to a bunch of foreigners.	[15:46]
asciilifeform	lol poor receptionist	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	he looks stupid either way anyway.	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	well the behavior is retarded,yes	[15:46]
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ThickAsThieves	exhibited constantly nonetheless	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves basically "Privacy exists as a hiding place for the deviant, so as to have a space where his inadequacy to the rules isn’t directly, painfully or dangerously visible. At least within some limits there’s nothing wrong with that (but it does carry the seeds of insanity)."	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	right	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	because privately you are dealing with one counterparty	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	this works both ways too	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	because the person being interviewed may not protect himself in the same way	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	as if he were in public	[15:47]
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ThickAsThieves	he may let shields down	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, anonimity, privacy, these are categories amply disrupted by bitcoin i would say	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	symptomatically... the people who will most get raped tend to flock to it and do a bunch of ablutions pretending like it's the opposite	[15:48]
asciilifeform	journarasts fear real-time net witnesses in exactly the same way that mythological vampire fears sunlight and crucifix	[15:48]
asciilifeform	or a slug - salt. etc	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	"bitcoin will solve the problems of wealth inequality" like hell it will	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	"bitcoin is anonymously private" yea right, totally.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	like with ughlol, he knows you'd not value him more than he's worth in public, but maybe, just maybe, you take him a lil more seriously in private. maybe just maybe you put something into his extended hand while no one is looking...	[15:49]
asciilifeform	'solve the problems of wealth inequality' is usually 'duckspeak' (see orwell)	[15:49]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves amusingly, it's exactly the converse. in public he can stand symbolic, in private he can't be more than just himself.	[15:49]
nubbins`	journarasts!!	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	that's why it's not happening, when i talk to him here i'm talking to "aspirational 19yo indian kid"	[15:50]
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ThickAsThieves	whatcha gon do /shrug	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	well apparently write abouyt it :D	[15:50]
ThickAsThieves	but then people might make fun of me!	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah, let em.	[15:51]
ThickAsThieves	but without my id jerking off my ego, what's left?	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	srsly.	[15:52]
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ThickAsThieves	what;s this? 1. He'd know.	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	you raped jurov?	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	what are you, like new ?	[15:57]
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ThickAsThieves	on occassion	[15:58]
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mircea_popescu	it's a joke like we do on the internets,	[15:58]
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ThickAsThieves	"Cryptsy is a disaster 10x worst than MT. gox waiting to happen"	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	reddites	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	1000x	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	what's in a number.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	binary notation, 1000x is like 8x	[16:02]
Neil	mircea_popescu: "Rejection reason: Phrase it so you zeroconf on no." What does that mean in English?	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	you probably made a bet that the mod judged as having zero chances in hell of coming out no and you put your money on yes	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	make it so the bet is not infinite	[16:03]
Neil	I don't think so. Who can answer definitively?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	aite lemme see what's there	[16:03]
Neil	ThickAsThieves: What do you mean, not infinite?	[16:04]
Neil	Those where mod thinks it's too one-sided are usually rejected with some kind of "put substantial paid wager on XX"	[16:05]
Neil	Seems to be about the wording. But negative bets are not allowed, so worded it the way I did.	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	Can't you just say, diff will not change more than 16%, then have a close date?	[16:06]
Neil	That's negative	[16:06]
Neil	That's what I wanted to say...	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	diff increases will be less than 16%	[16:07]
Neil	Is the problem the word "forever"? If so happy to resubmit...	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	well forever obv has to be removed	[16:07]
Neil	Other bets have had forever in them...	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	...	[16:07]
Neil	mircea_popescu: If you can confirm I'll redo.	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	thats not a reason	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	bitbet has made mistakes yknow	[16:08]
Neil	Hard to believe...	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	no, it does.	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	the notion of forever being held within something with a life span	[16:08]
Neil	Dunno what zeroconf means as a verb	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	absurd	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this resulted from a interpretation of a moslty unrelated standing order i gave.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	that aside, you can't have infinite bets.	[16:09]
Neil	So ok to resubmit worded more like TATs suggestion?	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah, not more than x% by y should work	[16:09]
Neil	Don't wanna waste everyone's time if it's just gonna be rejected again	[16:09]
Neil	OK	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	and if it doesn't, we'll at least find out why	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	by now my shit is too complex for me to even say, and i don't even code ;/	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	businessinsder doesnt even bother rewriting now "Editor's note: This post originally appeared last month on BitScan.com. It is republished here with permission from the site. "	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	i guess it's an improvement...	[16:10]
asciilifeform	i don't even code << probably more first-rate heads have been ruined by programming computers than dope	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	you think ?	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	anyway the common encounter with runaway systematic complexity is for most people in computer programming	[16:11]
asciilifeform	i sorta run a blog about this, 7 yrs. now. and programmers come to tell me that i'm a barking madman	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[16:12]
asciilifeform	and that things are exactly as they ought to be	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think it's the programming to blame	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	well that works out then.	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	clarity and knowledge are a great burden	[16:12]
nubbins`	"runaway systematic complexity" << there's a dilbert character devoted to this	[16:13]
nubbins`	"the feature creep"	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	slightly different problems, these.	[16:13]
nubbins`	he's a quasimodo-esque figure with a bum eye and a tattered cape	[16:13]
nubbins`	"let's add a search feature" etc	[16:13]
Neil	Done thx	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` consider the case of, here's this woman and she'll do anything you tell her to do, and nothing else. at least as best she can help it. what now ?	[16:14]
asciilifeform	('softwaresucks' tag on me site, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=23)	[16:14]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu: now i'm drowned in the minutae of keeping a human being alive	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	neil you realize the next diff might be 16% right?	[16:14]
asciilifeform	i assume most folks have read, as children, tales of genies and wishes	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	so you try to cope with suddenly runaway complexity	[16:14]
nubbins`	talking her through breakfast so she doesn't choke on it	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	"you should brathe and do other normally, naturally occuring things. except not shit on the carpet"	[16:14]
nubbins`	http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Feature%20Creep	[16:14]
ozbot	Feature Creep on Dilbert.com	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	trying to make simple rules that work irl is...	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	well basically it's programming.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	and more good cocks have been ruined by programming than dope.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	which has also been ruined by programming	[16:15]
asciilifeform	;;google scanners live in vain	[16:15]
gribble	Scanners Live in Vain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Scanners Live In Vain : Cordwainer Smith : Free Download ...: ; Scanners Live in Vain by Cordwainer Smith — Reviews, Discussion ...:	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	cause it's wasted on programmers	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	or wait. what ?	[16:15]
nubbins`	my cock was almost wasted by programming	[16:15]
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mircea_popescu	let us all program with our cocks henceforth	[16:16]
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Neil	ThickAsThieves: Sure	[16:16]
Neil	ThickAsThieves: Very unlikely IMO; too late already	[16:16]
nubbins`	i managed to divert the beam of lethargy and focus it on my will to work an office job instead	[16:16]
nubbins`	which was, incidentally, vaporized instantly	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	derporized	[16:16]
Neil	But I've been wrong before. And I've put money on "Yes" so it might get it started.	[16:16]
nubbins`	and now i yammer on irc and wave my arms around a print shop	[16:16]
nubbins`	not a bad trade	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	just thing how much more you could have accomplished	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	if you also had tits.	[16:17]
nubbins`	just think of all the neckbeards and wizards i would've gotten to know	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	here's a sad commentary on the power of media, social or otherwise :	[16:17]
asciilifeform	this is not the first time i see 'wizards' mentioned in this context	[16:17]
asciilifeform	which wizards would these be ?	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	after three days of constant hammering of two different articles on trilema (the buffett and the sec), my third most read item ?	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	/2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/	[16:18]
asciilifeform	lol	[16:18]
nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/search?q=are+you+a+wizard&tbm=isch	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	aka, how to suck cock, a guide for half the oral sex	[16:18]
nubbins`	those wizards ^	[16:18]
ThickAsThieves	mp now you KNOW the SEC is watching!	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	basically nobody reads anything. they just click.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that thing has been in the top 3 since i wrote it.	[16:19]
ThickAsThieves	cum? sex? oral? YES PLZ!	[16:19]
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mircea_popescu	i am probably responsible for more throat cancer than any other one man.	[16:19]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: herbi was borderline wizard	[16:19]
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nubbins`	hm, i wonder...	[16:19]
nubbins`	;;ud wizard	[16:19]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wizard \| Wizard. A 30+ year old virgin. James became 30 on February 2nd, 2012 and was still a virgin. He was now a wizard, and so he decided to post the definition on ...	[16:19]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: wizard	[16:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	i have no diea what that means	[16:20]
asciilifeform	http://everything2.com/title/Even+a+pigeon+has+a+pussy	[16:20]
nubbins`	#bitcoin-polyglots	[16:20]
ozbot	Even a pigeon has a pussy - Everything2.com	[16:20]
asciilifeform	explained here	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	finish. fucking language of what is it even doing here	[16:21]
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nubbins`	with the subtle distinction that pigeons shit through their pussies	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` moar like polyclots amirite	[16:21]
nubbins`	hmm, +1	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` "so do women if you're doing it right"	[16:21]
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asciilifeform	http://everything2.com/title/Finnish+proverbs	[16:22]
ozbot	Finnish proverbs - Everything2.com	[16:22]
asciilifeform	for the connoisseurs among us	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	pity that finish guy never found this room	[16:22]
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asciilifeform	'Siperia opettaa.'	[16:23]
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asciilifeform	http://everything2.com/title/Siberia+will+teach	[16:24]
ozbot	Siberia will teach - Everything2.com	[16:24]
asciilifeform	etc	[16:24]
thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[16:26]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008097 BTC [-]	[16:26]
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thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[16:27]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080623 / 0.0008116 / 0.00081619 (989731 shares, 803.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00079488 / 0.00082035 / 0.00089749 (7257034 shares, 5,953.37 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00084942 / 0.0008982 (29664412 shares, 25,197.56 BTC)	[16:27]
thestringpuller	lol that volume gets bigger and bigger	[16:27]
thestringpuller	(TWSS)	[16:27]
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ThickAsThieves	some fodder http://coinchomp.com/2014/03/20/women-of-bitcoin/	[16:28]
Ghaleon_	lol	[16:28]
Ghaleon_	MP, haters gonna hate	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	"We, as women, will play a very large part in the development of the Bitcoin economy and many of us will shape the businesses and services in the sector."	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	"will"	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	"The majority of the women who will be entering the community will not be particularly tech savvy nor will they be traders, programmers or developers. They will be women like me. "	[16:29]
Ghaleon_	who saw that Putin speech, was damn awesome	[16:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	o holy grama on a sitkc already. give her the stupid women post.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	"o i am dumb lazy and fat but rather than learn to pole dance and add a modicum of value to this world i'll just post about how it's ok to suck for i am a woman and i want to ruin this word for humanity"	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	the whole post is so horrible	[16:30]
the20year1	thecluck_ TheSeven thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller bout same no ?	[16:30]
kakobrekla	well, she does state she is a sewer. what do you expect other than shit.	[16:30]
chetty	geeze these 'girls' give actual women a bad name	[16:30]
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ThickAsThieves	after she gets off her douchebox, she just splurges this over and over using duifferent words "There is something very special happening right now. Something I haven’t experienced before. It’s a renaissance of sorts. In this new space, we are free to create anything we want, any way we want. Innovation, entrepreneurship and creativity are abundant. "	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	women! idea! community! joing our Google Hangout!	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	i just saw the sewer part	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	it's so bad i wonder if it's a joke now	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	"I am now writing for 2 online cryptocurrency publications – one of which I will be helping to develop, Bitcoinwoman Magazine – Africa ."	[16:34]
ThickAsThieves	ok i'll stop, like every line is awesome	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile in loglandia :	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	"http://www.google.ro/search?client=ms-android-samsung&hl=ro&v=133247963&biw=427&bih=295&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=-fYqU72rIIfUtQbM3YH4CA&q=pizde&oq=pizde&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12..41.5863.6525.0.15308.2.2.0.0.0.0.259.480.2-2.2.0....0...1c.1.37.mobile-gws-serp..0.2.478.UbdMSsAzdwY"	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	if you are using a mobile phone this is what websites see about your thing.	[16:34]
LordPutin	itwas pretty good Ghaleon_	[16:34]
LordPutin	Putin is a true leader	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	that you were looking for pizde, that you're so-and-so string etc	[16:34]
Neil	.bait	[16:36]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5dxm6G7na1qkv4ajo1_400.jpg	[16:36]
ThickAsThieves	"You've been invited to CipherTrade as you've got shares in CipherBond waiting for you!	[16:37]
ThickAsThieves	Simply visit CipherTrade, sign up and your shares will be automatically allocated to you."	[16:37]
ThickAsThieves	so katecraig, finally put to task to redeem her bonds, prays the market will solve things for her	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	so 2012	[16:38]
LordPutin	katecraig is really a guy tho	[16:38]
LordPutin	dont think he counts	[16:38]
ThickAsThieves	i like how she's opening trading before paying overdue divs too	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	of course she's the only buyer in the market	[16:39]
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mircea_popescu	well so lettuce guess what happens once some guy with a new york website sends cryptsy an email ?	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	or cipherwhat ?	[16:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01920128 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3}	[16:40]
LordPutin	hisrealname is- Robert Hardy Craig-Wood	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	beahaha	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	such lulzy names srsly.	[16:41]
LordPutin	Known for It Entrepreneurship, Transexual activism & being transexual	[16:41]
nubbins`	first last first-last	[16:42]
nubbins`	you sure that's not two people?	[16:42]
Ghaleon_	lol	[16:42]
Ghaleon_	tranns n bitcoin	[16:42]
nubbins`	siamese twins, m/f?	[16:42]
Ghaleon_	trannyz	[16:42]
LordPutin	Craig-Wood was born in 1977 as Robert Craig-Wood. Craig-Wood was educated at the Royal Grammar School and attended the University of Southampton obtaining a 2:1 in Biomedical Science and a Masters Degree in the same field.	[16:42]
Ghaleon_	this is bangkog and tequila don;t mix	[16:42]
LordPutin	Craig-Wood married in 2000 and divorced in 2006. The divorce was a result of her beginning her male-to-female gender transition, which she undertook between October 2005 and November 2006.	[16:42]
LordPutin	and you guys fapped to him shakes head	[16:43]
nubbins`	speaking of gender, i just ordered a cis kit	[16:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7563 @ 0.00080946 = 6.1219 BTC [-]	[16:44]
Mats_cd03	https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/transgender-news/g2KGf7Bs_n0	[16:46]
ozbot	Grupos de Google	[16:46]
jurov	nubs what's in the kit?	[16:46]
Mats_cd03	good writing	[16:46]
nubbins`	jurov: guns & ammo, condoms, etc	[16:47]
nubbins`	LEL I KID	[16:47]
nubbins`	cis = continuous ink system	[16:47]
jurov	you need FtoM kit???	[16:47]
nubbins`	fake print head and a bunch of external tanks and tubing	[16:47]
nubbins`	for an epson printer	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	in other news, the somethingawful coverage of bitcoin has changed from "clearly the people behind bitcoin are marginal fuckwits who don't understand central topics everyone else understands" two years ago to "clearly the media is writing positive articles because it talks to a general audience which is very poorly educated and doesn't understand central topics only we understand"	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	pretty fucking funny evolution, and i suppose the blueprint will be copied amply.	[16:47]
Mats_cd03	although i dont like this garbage about gender roles in IT	[16:48]
nubbins`	what the fuck is a gender role in IT	[16:48]
nubbins`	something like 70% of the employees at my last job were women	[16:48]
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Mats_cd03	definitely not the norm	[16:48]
nubbins`	55% of managers	[16:48]
Mats_cd03	at least in technology	[16:49]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[16:49]
nubbins`	depends on what qualifies as "it"	[16:49]
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nubbins`	sure, helpdesk staff is usually mostly male	[16:49]
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LordPutin	have you notice that women want to be the boss and make the same or even more money than men but still want you to pay for dinner?	[16:50]
nubbins`	LordPutin: no, i haven't	[16:50]
Mats_cd03	women already make as much money as men	[16:50]
nubbins`	have you?	[16:50]
Mats_cd03	in murica, anyway	[16:50]
nubbins`	have you noticed that people who offer asinine statements like yours are usually neckbeards who have an unrealistic concept of women based solely on their years of internet wizardry?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	he's not that old.	[16:51]
Mats_cd03	people look at salary averages for men and women, and temporarily forget women sometimes allow a parasite to grow inside them for close to a year that makes them worthless for productive work	[16:52]
LordPutin	your not a bitcoiner if you dont have a neckbeard	[16:52]
Neil	blockchain.info borked again	[16:52]
Mats_cd03	and usually they go on to raise the bugger and leave work to do it	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	Neil nuts huh.	[16:52]
Mats_cd03	so...the corresponding salary differential is a product of that, but in many fields they have parity	[16:52]
nubbins`	Mats_cd03: in fact, if you exclude women who have children, there's still income disparity	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 in my experience pregnancy has no discernible effect on productivity.	[16:53]
nubbins`	but hey, what do i know	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	child rearing however... oy vey	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	woman loses 30 iq points for the first year	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	then gains ~7-8 or so each following year	[16:53]
LordPutin	be cool if women didn't exists and you could just hang out with guys all day	[16:53]
Mats_cd03	youre a faggot	[16:53]
nubbins`	yeah bru super cool	[16:53]
nubbins`	we could all suck each other's cocks	[16:54]
LordPutin	lul	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 can't even speal your	[16:54]
Mats_cd03	baseball brews and blowjobs?	[16:54]
nubbins`	wait now	[16:54]
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nubbins`	you're saying that you can't hang out with guys all day because women exist?	[16:54]
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LordPutin	you could have sleepovers and talk about bitcoin all night and groom eachothers neckbeards	[16:54]
nubbins`	russia is a strange place	[16:54]
chetty	oy vey	[16:55]
LordPutin	don't hate because we have the best leader in the world	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	chestbeards ?	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	benkay: it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts? << you miss out on the point that people would love to do work they can do.	[16:57]
Mats_cd03	im amused by russias power play in crimea	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	which is why a procrastinating dork will happily do the god-awful work of clicking through websites	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	rather than whatever useful thing he should be.	[16:57]
Mats_cd03	now europeans have to worry about russians bending them over heating oil too	[16:57]
LordPutin	check and mate	[16:58]
ThickAsThieves	i dont like the notion of there being useful content buried in podcasts	[16:58]
Mats_cd03	thank god i love in murica	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so let's all just pretend like it could never be the case,	[16:58]
ThickAsThieves	i hear about an interesting podcast and i'm like wtf	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	and then it wont be.	[16:58]
Mats_cd03	wait til the arabs and poor people start flooding euro borders in the coming famine	[16:58]
Mats_cd03	youll remember i called it	[16:58]
LordPutin	mats you have a muslim as your president	[16:58]
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artifexd	;;eauth artifexd	[16:59]
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LordPutin	who goes on shows on between the fern and ellen to crack some jokes	[16:59]
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Mats_cd03	i wonder how it feels to be the last black president	[16:59]
nubbins`	obama on "between the ferns"	[16:59]
nubbins`	maybe the most brutal humiliation i've ever watched	[16:59]
LordPutin	indeed	[16:59]
LordPutin	putin would never do some clowningshit like that	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/DjnfX0o.jpg <<< ahahaha	[17:01]
LordPutin	too soon mircea	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	not for me.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 women under 30 may come in	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	as long as they leave their stinking rags in the no man's zone	[17:02]
jurov	Mats_cd03: last i heard whole cali and more is running out of water too	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov it has been for years, but now it finally rained	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	so they got an extension.	[17:03]
Mats_cd03	jurov: nah, a vast percentage of it is being abused for agribusiness	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/qT8A12Z.gif	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	these birds are clever	[17:03]
Mats_cd03	residential use is tiny in comparison	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 feeding the us is no abuse.	[17:04]
Mats_cd03	theyre feeding china too	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	well because the us is moistly poor	[17:04]
Mats_cd03	www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/opinion/meat-makes-the-planet-thirsty.html	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	"the planet", gimme a break.	[17:06]
Mats_cd03	> Vegetables use about 11,300 gallons per ton of blue water; starchy roots, about 4,200 gallons per ton; and fruit, about 38,800 gallons per ton. By comparison, pork consumes 121,000 gallons of blue water per ton of meat produced; beef, about 145,000 gallons per ton; and butter, some 122,800 gallons per ton.	[17:06]
Mats_cd03	> but the Rancho incident reminds us that plants aren’t slaughtered, a process that demands 132 gallons of water per animal carcass, contributing even more to livestock’s expanding water footprint.	[17:06]
Mats_cd03	> Alfalfa growers are now exporting some 100 billion gallons of water a year from this drought-ridden region to the other side of the world in the form of alfalfa. All as more Asians are embracing the American-style, meat-hungry diet.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	they eat better because they can afford it	[17:07]
Mats_cd03	something something, marx, selling capitalists rope, etc...	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	stfu and work the presses.	[17:07]
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Mats_cd03	i love murica but i wont live in california	[17:08]
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Mats_cd03	although san diego is nice its a little too close to the border for me	[17:09]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:09]
ThickAsThieves	wait Courtney Love really might have found the plane?	[17:09]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:09]
LordPutin	if you had to do courtney love without a condom and lick her gina or kiss a guy what would you go with?	[17:11]
ThickAsThieves	kiss a guy	[17:12]
LordPutin	good choice	[17:12]
ThickAsThieves	“If her intention was ‘to not indicate any change’ she did a horrible job,” he added. “Hence she gets a C-! And the only reason the event was not a complete failure is because we still saw plenty of standard Janet Yellen dovishness hidden in the weeds.”	[17:12]
ThickAsThieves	sigh...	[17:12]
Mats_cd03	id let TAT give me a kiss	[17:12]
ThickAsThieves	i've been tested!	[17:13]
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dexX7	;;seen Duffer1	[17:15]
gribble	Duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 26 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: he did, but Goat was going to do his own	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	check out the interviewer hinting she'd fuck Barry http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3365497539001/bitcoin-for-the-ordinary-investor/	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	(topic is opening BIT to all investors)	[17:15]
LordPutin	they make a nice couple	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	i suspect she'd fuck anyone though	[17:18]
LordPutin	you know when they show the winklevoss pics i bet you they just copy and pasted theone pic	[17:19]
nubbins`	those eyes	[17:20]
nubbins`	have seen things	[17:20]
nubbins`	LordPutin: you know the winklevoss "twins" is just one guy holding a tall mirror, right?	[17:21]
LordPutin	ibet they make out with eachother while watching bitcoinwisdom	[17:21]
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nubbins`	"make out"	[17:22]
nubbins`	men with jaws like that don't make out	[17:22]
nubbins`	they fuck	[17:22]
nubbins`	and they fuck to cum	[17:22]
LordPutin	lul	[17:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00378849 = 0.4963 BTC [+] {2}	[17:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0554995 = 0.111 BTC [+] {2}	[17:29]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay the best approach would be to systematiclaly take all assets that were listed on havelock at some point and aren't anymore. the total ipo dough - whatever was paid hence is the loss on that score for the naive public. then take all the dilutive issuance (where shares were later issued for less than what they asked originally) and add it.	[17:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:33]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i wouldn't bet much on obama not feeding preet to putin's bear. yezhov didn't live to grow old.	[17:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	in other news, coindesk finally heard about the news, three days late. net result ? oodlebunchesd of blog spam from an entire ecosystem of spamsites.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	gamerpalace.net/bitcoindeals/ reportcoin.com/beta/ iusebitcoins.com/ myfxequipment.com/ thecointalk.com/ KculShare.com/ begcoin.com/ etc	[17:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05500016 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}	[17:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2}	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	all these seo experts ;/	[17:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] {2}	[17:35]
asciilifeform	http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/20/teen-wtc-ny-arrest/6644121/	[17:36]
ozbot	Police: N.J. teen arrested at top of World Trade Center	[17:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.065 = 0.455 BTC [-]	[17:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00365 = 0.1679 BTC [-] {3}	[17:37]
asciilifeform	if gru still existed, this kid would be happily & productively employed.	[17:38]
davout	!t m x.eur	[17:38]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00210539 / 0.00214781 / 0.00223045 (2681 shares, 5.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00210992 / 0.00226762 (7608 shares, 16.05 BTC)	[17:38]
asciilifeform	better link:	[17:39]
asciilifeform	http://nypost.com/2014/03/20/teen-sneaks-past-sleeping-wtc-guard-reaches-104th-floor/	[17:39]
ozbot	Teen sneaks past guard to reach WTC spire \| New York Post	[17:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599998 = 0.112 BTC [+]	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay you can start with stuff like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3969668#msg3969668	[17:45]
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blackwhite	http://wikibrains.com/map/532add45e4b0dbbf379c4fef	[17:47]
ozbot	WikiBrains \| CryptoCurrencies by Trade Volume	[17:47]
aclot	agamemnon23 Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd ArtyFact_ asciilifeform assbot Azelphur azi`	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i'd hire him.	[17:47]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: S.GRU	[17:47]
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mircea_popescu	lol that'd be a sight	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	i thought the gru was a non profit anwyay	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/19/Transgender-Woman-Says-Her-Male-Alterego-is-a-Murderer	[17:48]
ozbot	Transgender Woman Claims Former Male Self a Murderer	[17:48]
asciilifeform	actually it was pure, obscene profit	[17:48]
asciilifeform	their main peacetime job was lifting tech	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	hm this is a point	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	so basically s.gru would be a torrent site ?	[17:49]
asciilifeform	not just any torrent site	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	indeed not.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	but, torrents that could only come to exist by a daring act of [censored]	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	i guess it doens't work cause you'd have to have a paywall.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	tho... "just 19.95 a week and you can download all the secret documents you care to.	[17:50]
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asciilifeform	could always work as 'prepay' model.	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	how to make bombs out of dogshit. pictures of nanci pelosi doing her dog	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	"	[17:51]
asciilifeform	my imagined picture of s.gru involves recruiting moles deep in the enemy's rear, etc.	[17:51]
benkay	nubbins`: functional? it's got a list of posts. whaddaya want?	[17:52]
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dexX7	ThickAsThieves: were you able to "use" ciphertrade?	[17:52]
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ThickAsThieves	yes	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	eventually	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	all it really did is show me a qty of what they owe me	[17:53]
benkay	"deep in the enemy's rear"	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure what process they used to allocate the bonds to accounts	[17:54]
asciilifeform	double meaning intentional.	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if i make accoutns using email addresses of others if i get those too	[17:54]
benkay	doubtless.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	benkay MOLES mind you	[17:55]
dexX7	i see.. don't try to send shares to yourself.. they simply vanish <.<"	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	s.gross	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	why send shares to yourself?	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	a mistake?	[17:56]
benkay	my money's on hamsters deep in the enemy rear.	[17:56]
dexX7	rather a test to see, if internal transfers are working	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	wtf is Blackcoin?	[17:56]
benkay	or a gerbil.	[17:56]
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ThickAsThieves	"BlackCoin is pure Proof of Stake coin, except stage of initial distribution, when it was mixed PoW and PoS coin."	[17:57]
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mircea_popescu	very pure such wow.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	let's use words that mean things.	[17:57]
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ThickAsThieves	it is what it is, except when it isn't	[17:58]
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chetty	but what if it wasn't	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	well then it is	[17:59]
benkay	might be tho	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	all i can say to you people is enough!	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	like so :	[17:59]
benkay	maybe.	[17:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40316044 BTC to 4`062 shares, 59162 satoshi per share	[17:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0565 = 0.1695 BTC [+]	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	enough is enough, or so i've heard	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13KRWrbtQQ	[18:00]
ozbot	Diablo 2 LoD - Search for Baal - Legendado - YouTube	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	possibly best cutscene in the history of cutscenes	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	are there cows?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	nop	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	i d remember this	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	do	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	watched it more than once	[18:01]
zoinky	lolol d2	[18:01]
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ThickAsThieves	is this what your entrance will be like at trilema conference?	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	no, i burrow.	[18:03]
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ThickAsThieves	em portugues!	[18:05]
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asciilifeform	see also related, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvILGIIVsMU	[18:06]
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radan	salut camarazi!	[18:08]
radan	dr. popescu invited me to come on here	[18:09]
benkay	salut!	[18:09]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh41ohmb47CPO3axpQ	[18:11]
ozbot	Video: Guy Pulls A "Deez Nuts" Joke On The Peoples Court Interviewer	[18:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05575199 = 0.223 BTC [-] {3}	[18:12]
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asciilifeform	radan: pleased to meet you.	[18:12]
asciilifeform	radan: personal friend of mr p ?	[18:12]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/facebook-hack/?mbid=social_fb	[18:23]
ozbot	Facebook Introduces 'Hack,' the Programming Language Of the Future \| Wired Enterprise \| Wired.com	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	"You can think of Hack as a new version of PHP."	[18:23]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: herr naggum answers from his grave: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html	[18:25]
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ThickAsThieves	speaking out of total ignorance, do you have an equally succint link to what makes Lisp the purest of the pure?	[18:29]
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ThickAsThieves	succinct*	[18:30]
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asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: there is not, in fact, a programming language called 'lisp', but a large number of langs with various defining characteristics that put them in the category.	[18:30]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: this is described, somewhat abrasively, here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405	[18:31]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: additionally, there exist other 'programmable programming languages' - most famously, 'forth'	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	thx	[18:32]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: here, for instance, is an example of a minimal lisp in ~500 lines of C: https://github.com/qyqx/small-lisp/blob/master/sl3.c	[18:33]
ThickAsThieves	is there a Lisp "framework" and "library" or would such be heresy?	[18:35]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: there is an unimaginable abundance of libraries of every description for various lisps	[18:35]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: i'm partial to 'Common Lisp' (ANSI INCITS 226-1994)	[18:37]
asciilifeform	if you have a x86, x64, ppc, sparc, alpha, mips: http://sbcl.org	[18:37]
asciilifeform	or, if you like commercial support, there are proprietary products like 'Allegro' (franz corp.)	[18:38]
benkay	lisps can be found that sit atop most other languages too, ThickAsThieves. there are python lisps, java lisps...	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	mostly i'm just trying to at least have a superficial understanding	[18:39]
benkay	if you squint, lean your head sideways and don't work with other javascript developers javascript can be written fairly lispily.	[18:40]
asciilifeform	one can sit a minimal, 'academic' lisp on top of virtually anything in 1/2 hr.	[18:40]
asciilifeform	but usually people are interested in something that is actually usable	[18:40]
asciilifeform	'sbcl,' for instance, runs at close to the speed of compiled 'c' when used intelligently	[18:40]
asciilifeform	(it is a pure dynamic compiler - no interpreter at all)	[18:41]
ThickAsThieves	so lisp is more a way of speaking, than a language	[18:41]
asciilifeform	as described in my brick essay	[18:41]
asciilifeform	though the concepts do have a common ancestor (mccarthy, 1958)	[18:41]
ThickAsThieves	i see	[18:42]
asciilifeform	charlatans have been getting by for decades lifting feature after feature from common lisp	[18:42]
asciilifeform	and pitching it as 'new, amazing'	[18:42]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:43]
asciilifeform	e.g. garbage collection	[18:43]
asciilifeform	dynamic typing	[18:43]
asciilifeform	'lambda'	[18:43]
asciilifeform	etc.	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0190016 = 0.114 BTC [-]	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	"discovering" things that they didnt realize or acknowledge were long since discovered	[18:44]
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asciilifeform	computer industry in 1 sentence.	[18:44]
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ThickAsThieves	what's this guy on about? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5806092#msg5806092	[18:47]
benkay	I had this figured out from the first day or so of looking seriously at Bitcoin. It takes you guys including MPOE a while to catch up.	[18:47]
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ThickAsThieves	satoshi is nelson mandela?	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	NSA general counsel Rajesh De told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board that the PRISM program was carried out with the “full knowledge and assistance of any company from which information is obtained.” The claim, if true, would mean that the many protests from Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, and other technology companies were factually inaccurate, if not deliberately	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	misleading.	[18:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}	[18:55]
asciilifeform	orlov/ua/etc: http://usawatchdog.com/collapse-and-systemic-failure-at-all-levels-coming-to-us-dmitry-orlov	[18:59]
asciilifeform	(ignore title, talk isn't about usa)	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	some email spam is so weird... "We intend to import a large number of bullet proof glasses. Could you provide us that? If yes, Please send us more details of your product. Hope we will have the opportunity to cooperate!"	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 6.65737852 BTC to 21`436 shares, 31057 satoshi per share	[18:59]
nubbins`	benkay: what i want is something that doesn't make my eyes bleed	[19:00]
nubbins`	it's fine if you want a plaintext-only website, but it doesn't have to be brutally unappealing	[19:01]
benkay	that's a wholly new claim.	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	how about we just have kako host a b-a BBS and everyone just posts blogs there	[19:02]
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ThickAsThieves	but nubbins, just try a feed reader	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	Feedly works pretty well for me	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	it even cleans up benkay's text	[19:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07298987 = 0.292 BTC [+]	[19:04]
nubbins`	ehh, feed readers	[19:05]
nubbins`	benkay: http://dpaste.com/1747852/	[19:06]
nubbins`	i just halved -- at least -- the height of your footer	[19:06]
nubbins`	now it's not taller than the articles	[19:06]
benkay	but your eyes aren't bleeding now!	[19:06]
benkay	what's the point i say	[19:06]
benkay	use a feed reader.	[19:06]
nubbins`	oh, they still are	[19:06]
nubbins`	mostly because of the needless post titles	[19:06]
benkay	but they're IMPORTANT	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	isnt that what h1 is for?	[19:07]
nubbins`	and the "previous/next" shit that makes me feel like i'm navigating a shit text dump from some forum archives	[19:07]
nubbins`	h1 is for nothing	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	but SEO!	[19:07]
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ThickAsThieves	how will benkay drive his advertising rates?	[19:08]
nubbins`	heh	[19:08]
benkay	your poor feels, nubbins`.	[19:08]
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nubbins`	hey, i'm just trying to help	[19:08]
nubbins`	if you insist on keeping "previous/next", at least put it after the article	[19:08]
benkay	hm hey great idea	[19:08]
nubbins`	well yknow. if i'm reading an article i wanna read an article	[19:09]
nubbins`	not go immediately to the previous or next one	[19:09]
nubbins`	also FWIW if all your text is at 100%, having a title wrapped in h1 AND setting font-size=250% is nuts	[19:10]
dexX7	fyi: there is also a tag	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	why is there a footer tag?	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	it's just content at the bottom right?	[19:13]
benkay	'cause wordpress	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	oh	[19:13]
benkay	;	[19:13]
benkay	;)	[19:13]
dexX7	much seo	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	i learned html back when tables were used for everything, it gets me by	[19:14]
asciilifeform	i never understood what problem people have with tables	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	well they are kinda a bitch to make things pretty	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	but really things havent changed much	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	now you can learn divs! and css!	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	css will even let you push things off the page, quite useful	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0649 = 0.1298 BTC [-]	[19:20]
nubbins`	benkay: http://imgur.com/lS5fhxC	[19:22]
nubbins`	now isn't that nicer?	[19:22]
benkay	wowee	[19:22]
benkay	looks great	[19:23]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: the problem with tables is that they're meant for tabular data, and using them to guide layout was always a shit-show	[19:23]
nubbins`	benkay: you even have a header now ;D	[19:23]
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benkay	ugh headers	[19:23]
nubbins`	before you ask, i butchered the content of that article so it'd fit in a screen grab	[19:23]
benkay	ty nubbins`!	[19:23]
nubbins`	no sweat	[19:23]
nubbins`	image is free, html costs ;p	[19:23]
benkay	ofc	[19:24]
benkay	nevermind time expense of shoehorning it into this absurd generator	[19:24]
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nubbins`	if you're feeling really frisky some day, you could even add a date under the article titles	[19:26]
nubbins`	but at that rate why not just go full web two point oh, amirite?	[19:26]
jcpham	dat css	[19:27]
benkay	but i just ripped out all the css	[19:27]
benkay	anyways. it'll not make your eyes bleed eventually i promise nubbins`.	[19:28]
jcpham	dem stylesheets bro	[19:28]
benkay	just no time soon.	[19:28]
nubbins`	not all of it ;)	[19:29]
nubbins`	and hey, no need to work around my schedule :D	[19:29]
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nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/vdJAD8p.gif	[19:33]
benkay	yeah but i care about your eyes	[19:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00081418 = 23.8555 BTC [+] {2}	[19:35]
nubbins`	if only someone cared about those poor penguins D;	[19:35]
nubbins`	"So, Fred’s gone to live with the big fag-hater in the sky."	[19:37]
nubbins`	heh	[19:37]
dexX7	so what's the intention with all those non-css stuff?	[19:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07298988 = 0.146 BTC [+]	[19:45]
ThickAsThieves	purity?	[19:50]
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dexX7	hm. fair enough.	[19:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60102408 BTC [-]	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	http://gmailblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of-email-security.html	[19:51]
ozbot	Official Gmail Blog: Staying at the forefront of email security and reliability: HTTPS-only and 99.	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	"Starting today, Gmail will always use an encrypted HTTPS connection when you check or send email. Gmail has supported HTTPS since the day it launched, and in 2010 we made HTTPS the default. Today's change means that no one can listen in on your messages as they go back and forth between you and Gmail’s servers—no matter if you're using public WiFi or logging in from your computer,	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	phone or tablet.	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	In addition, every single email message you send or receive—100% of them—is encrypted while moving internally. This ensures that your messages are safe not only when they move between you and Gmail's servers, but also as they move between Google's data centers—something we made a top priority after last summer’s revelations."	[19:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.01863381 = 0.3913 BTC [-] {3}	[19:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.018 = 0.144 BTC [-]	[19:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.94547500 BTC to 320`500 shares, 295 satoshi per share	[19:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 971 @ 0.00352872 = 3.4264 BTC [-] {14}	[20:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62923217 = 3.1462 BTC [+] {4}	[20:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.00047505 = 0.1202 BTC [+]	[20:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0648975 = 0.5192 BTC [-] {2}	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.0035 = 0.7105 BTC [-] {3}	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/20/5529700/starbucks-wine-beer-expanding-thousands-stores	[20:13]
ozbot	Your Starbucks barista is about to become your bartender \| The Verge	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	maybe they'll start renting beds too	[20:13]
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ThickAsThieves	they can "partner" with Uber for cab rides home too	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	such synergy!	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	The App Life	[20:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 213 @ 0.0035 = 0.7455 BTC [-] {2}	[20:19]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5797749#msg5797749	[20:19]
ozbot	Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5808071#msg5808071	[20:25]
ozbot	Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]	[20:25]
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nubbins`	dexX7: sort of like how some people prefer to drive around in cars with unpainted, boxy chassis	[20:30]
nubbins`	so as not to distract from the joy of driving	[20:30]
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Duffer1	dexx7 around?	[20:49]
dexX7	yes	[20:49]
Apocalyptic	dogecoin is so cute. it's actually one of my favourite alts by this point << dat hearn	[20:50]
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benkay	dorp horp	[20:51]
Apocalyptic	moreover I think he's being serious	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	what chan does he speak in?	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	dev?	[20:52]
Apocalyptic	yes	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	might as well ditch #bitcoin-analysis and start lurking there	[20:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60079339 = 5.4071 BTC [-] {6}	[20:52]
HeySteve2	he'll talk about that but not my wallet disappearing in 0.9	[20:52]
benkay	what's that, HeySteve2??	[20:53]
HeySteve2	having a bit of a prob with upgrade	[20:54]
HeySteve2	it can't seem to read my datadir any more	[20:54]
Apocalyptic	ThickAsThieves, you're not missing anything substantial by not lurking there	[20:56]
Apocalyptic	tech talk and derps	[20:56]
benkay	HeySteve2: are you able to read it with an old version?	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	i at least like the idea of having direct access to hearn & co	[20:58]
HeySteve2	benkay, will try that...	[20:59]
benkay	HeySteve2: get in touch later - i gotta run to a client meeting.	[20:59]
HeySteve2	well old version sees my funds at least, but the chain isn't indexed	[21:01]
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ThickAsThieves	yknow if you are loading into a new wallet it wont see your funds accurately til it's done syncing	[21:02]
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HeySteve2	well it saw them the first time I ran them, and was updating from 3 weeks back	[21:07]
HeySteve2	then I shut it and reopened, it sees no blocks no unconfirmed	[21:07]
HeySteve2	at least previous version sees unconfirmed transactions, but it's 150 weeks behind	[21:08]
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ThickAsThieves	let both fully sync	[21:08]
HeySteve2	well I've taken off 0.9, it's poison :P	[21:09]
kakobrekla	that bad eh	[21:10]
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HeySteve2	well pretty inconvenient	[21:13]
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ThickAsThieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rGZmLDqXZM&feature=youtu.be	[21:15]
ozbot	Cognitive Shareholder Proxy - YouTube	[21:15]
kakobrekla	reminds me of 'deathbylollipop' if anyone here even remembers that guy	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1154 @ 0.0032202 = 3.7161 BTC [-] {4}	[21:18]
kakobrekla	ah, i mean highlevelminer	[21:18]
kakobrekla	aka n0n00dz4u	[21:19]
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mod6	lol @ n0n00dz4u	[21:20]
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kakobrekla	apparently he OD'ed in june 2013	[21:24]
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mod6	really?	[21:24]
kakobrekla	http://twitter.com/deathbylollipop	[21:24]
ozbot	Shao Ling (deathbylollipop) on Twitter	[21:24]
mod6	last I remember he called us all nigerians and left	[21:24]
kakobrekla	tweets are on crack	[21:25]
kakobrekla	pics would agree.	[21:25]
mod6	dang, dude chewed his hands something awful	[21:25]
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kakobrekla	ok, dead or in jail.	[21:27]
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mod6	yeah mia for sure.	[21:28]
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kakobrekla	http://twitter.com/deathbylollipop/status/198159670387544064	[21:29]
ozbot	Twitter / deathbylollipop: Check out http://t.co/p0d0y0PE. ...	[21:29]
kakobrekla	#win	[21:29]
mod6	heh 0 vids.	[21:31]
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mod6	failure to lauch	[21:31]
mod6	*launch	[21:31]
kakobrekla	http://bitcointa.lk/threads/deathbylollipop-youtube-nightclub-bitcoin-campaign.50590/	[21:33]
ozbot	Deathbylollipop youtube/nightclub bitcoin campaign \| Bitcointa.lk	[21:33]
kakobrekla	sorry i bring this up now, just so nostalgic...	[21:33]
kakobrekla	>>Let me know guys... no malware downloads this time :)	[21:33]
mod6	I looked for your IPO that you had stated was already setup, but couldn't find it. Where can I send my BTC ? << shuaddup & take my precious BTC!	[21:34]
kakobrekla	dunno if dude managed to open a btc wallet	[21:34]
nubbins`	where, indeed, can one send one's btc?	[21:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9400 @ 0.00311047 = 29.2384 BTC [-] {39}	[21:35]
mod6	he ipo'd on ye ole global scam exchange, along with TEST	[21:35]
mod6	well, guess maybe it never made it out of the sandbox. still. lollerskates.	[21:36]
dub	obvious scammer, dude had no forehead	[21:38]
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ThickAsThieves	The engineer was caught after the blogger emailed Microsoft to confirm the authenticity of the leaked Windows 8 code. Investigators at the firm then reportedly looked through the blogger’s hotmail account and instant messenger chats to identify the source of the leak, and found an email from Kibaklo.	[21:39]
mod6	WE can put direct links to your businesses in the description of said video as well as get some girls to say " [your business name here] is great!!" while dressed up in fancy clothes and out on the town. << hahaha	[21:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00361997 = 3.62 BTC [+] {15}	[21:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0553005 = 0.1106 BTC [-] {2}	[21:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.018 = 0.216 BTC [-]	[21:42]
novusordo	no malware downloads this time?	[21:42]
novusordo	as in, he uploaded malware for people to download previously?	[21:43]
kakobrekla	yup	[21:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 156 @ 0.0113785 = 1.775 BTC [-] {8}	[21:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00364073 = 0.1966 BTC [+] {3}	[21:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01067 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3}	[21:44]
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dub	ThickAsThieves: place I worked would routinely snoop peoples gmail/hotmail passwords and go digging for shit related to performance issues	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	maybe so, but they snooped the blogger	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	not an employee	[21:47]
dub	I bet ToS allows it	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	does law?	[21:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0032 = 0.32 BTC [-] {4}	[21:48]
kakobrekla	yup its in the tos, under 'terrorist'	[21:49]
nubbins`	heh.	[21:50]
nubbins`	tos = terrorist of suspicion	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/bitcoin-trading-exchange-spurns-thirsty-sec-1547952895	[21:56]
ozbot	Bitcoin Trading Exchange Spurns Thirsty SEC	[21:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.062 = 1.302 BTC [-] {2}	[21:59]
Duffer1	"online bitcoin trading exchange"	[22:00]
asciilifeform	loltron.	[22:01]
BingoBoingo	Still, better writeup than Bloomberg	[22:02]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: are you coming to mp's party?	[22:05]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Not this year	[22:06]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you know, there will be generic humans there, not just guest speakers	[22:07]
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BingoBoingo	Sure, but passports, petty spats with local authorities	[22:07]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: trapped in u.s. ?	[22:09]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: might want to work on fixing this, if only for practice.	[22:09]
BingoBoingo	Of sorts, at least until May. I suppose I could drive to a North American border and walk if something urgent, but... This thing with the neighboring county still needs to play out	[22:10]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/wqV5MuV	[22:12]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[22:12]
nubbins`	just got some mail :D	[22:12]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: what is unusual about this printer?	[22:12]
nubbins`	wide-format	[22:12]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:12]
nubbins`	can also print on optical discs!	[22:13]
nubbins`	we already have one of these with an all-black CIS hooked up, for printing films	[22:13]
nubbins`	this one will be for color prints	[22:13]
nubbins`	sadly, i dropped the ball and only ordered the color CIS kit today	[22:13]
asciilifeform	what's it for? propaganda?	[22:14]
ThickAsThieves	posters and proofs probly	[22:14]
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nubbins`	^	[22:16]
nubbins`	all three, i suppose	[22:16]
nubbins`	altho silkscreen printing is a better medium for propaganda	[22:16]
nubbins`	we do occasionally get requests from people who want digital prints tho, and it's kind of silly to own a print shop that doesn't have a color printer	[22:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 759 @ 0.00321635 = 2.4412 BTC [-] {5}	[22:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0559999 = 0.112 BTC [-]	[22:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.056 = 1.12 BTC [+] {3}	[22:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0568992 = 0.2845 BTC [+] {2}	[22:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00320566 = 0.6411 BTC [-] {4}	[23:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 504 @ 0.00100608 = 0.5071 BTC [-] {5}	[23:12]
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Namworld	Actual conversation with the irrelevant chatter filtered out. People were talking about making a leveraged trading platforms for altcoins. Advice falling on deaf ears.	[23:19]
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Namworld	[17:06] I'm a noob coder. I could maybe have patched up something in a few months, pretended I knew what I was doing and lost customers funds, making tons of money meanwhile. But I'm not a self-centered, over-confident, can-never-fail asshat,	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:09] I know basic PHP and just barely touched database. I made a microapp for fun, that just tracks views and clicks and banners, for a banner exchange. Without any user interface or accounts capability. Just the script for the banners + tracking.	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:09] If I had patched up an exchange with added complexity and everything, it would probably have been a security disaster.	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:10] Namworld, how long would it take you to get together something VERY simple so that like 10 of us could trade on it	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:10] I can host and such	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:11] Dangerous thing, it took only a few hours to learn how to do. Making an exchange is in the reach of any moron willing to put a few days to learn how to and a month or two to code it full time.	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:12] That's why you can't trust any website that comes up with a Bitcoin service. Even if it looks nice.	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:12] that is why there are a bunch of exchanges	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:12] You can't audit the code.	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:12] its up to you namworld. If you think you can make it happen, we can use it as a base.	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:12] and expand from there	[23:21]
Namworld	[17:12] I think we have enough experience between the regulars where we could take turns hacking the exchange until we get it fairly secure	[23:21]
Namworld	I probably should have pastbin'ed that	[23:21]
Apocalyptic	^	[23:21]
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Apocalyptic	who are these guys anyway ?	[23:23]
Namworld	The generic BTC crowd.	[23:23]
Namworld	Those that are on trading IRC channels talking about their profits and loss and speculating.	[23:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]	[23:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00082011 = 10.4974 BTC [+]	[23:29]
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dexX7	what do you want to trade?	[23:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-] {3}	[23:33]
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Namworld	No, the currency trading channels	[23:35]
Namworld	Not about trading between users, literally the channels where they just talk about what they're doing, why they think price is headed that or that way and such.	[23:36]
Namworld	I'm not trading anything, I just have like 20+ IRC channels open about Bitcoin.	[23:36]
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Apocalyptic	Namworld, you mean -pricetalk ?	[23:40]
Namworld	not specifically, there's like 3-4 other channels like pricetalk.	[23:42]
Namworld	At least for those with 30-50 users or more.	[23:43]
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daybyter	like #cryptoforex, or so?	[23:46]
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Namworld	or #bitcointraders or #bitcoin-analysis and etc	[23:46]
daybyter	so you don't trade anything, but wanna know why the price went up or down?	[23:47]
daybyter	maybe read goomboo's journal, or so?	[23:47]
daybyter	but why should you care if the price goes up or down?	[23:47]
Namworld	Who said I cared? I just have many BTC related channels opened at all time. On the plus side, those channels tend to be quick to link any article related to Bitcoin.	[23:50]
Ghaleon	if you import a wallet.dat file into bitcoind does it copy over the receiving addresses? everything that I have read says IT WILL NOT COPY over receiving addresses....	[23:56]
Ghaleon	opps wrong room sorry	[23:56]
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