Forum logs for 19 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform so how is it that herr orloff is using the terminology of the russian propaganda, you figure ? [03:29]
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benkay bloctoc, Mats_cd03: can't quite hedge on MPEx anymore. [03:32]
mircea_popescu wow ze still down ?! [03:33]
bloctoc futures, still right? I was trying to think of a way to play the 30/1000 odds on this bet, but then got distracted. [03:33]
ninjashogun jcpham, I'm oin to sleep soon [03:34]
ninjashogun!*@* added to ignore list. [03:34]
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benkay bloctoc, the challenge is in the proving these things to the bitbet mods, and coming up with criteria that satisfy their standards. [03:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00080505 = 15.0544 BTC [+] [03:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13026 @ 0.00080745 = 10.5178 BTC [+] [03:36]
mircea_popescu blackwhite what is "a site based on bitcoin data" mean ? [03:36]
blackwhite it means like [03:37]
mircea_popescu so like a blockchain walker ? [03:37]
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mircea_popescu there's 3-4 of those, but you never know when they croak, so. [03:37]
mircea_popescu trivial to get the data for it, just run a node. [03:37]
blackwhite yeah true [03:38]
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mircea_popescu if you comprehend go the best solution i'd say is the package maintained by conformal [03:38]
KRS-1 .bait [03:39]
ozbot [03:39]
mircea_popescu but if you're a minimum effort sort of guy even a bitcoind can work, you can directly query it from any software stack. python, php, whatever you run [03:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 288 @ 0.00424994 = 1.224 BTC [-] [03:41]
mircea_popescu nubbins` dudes why so aggro [03:41]
blackwhite thanks. I was considering getting a proper solution. I will look into conformal. My strength is in design (I can code but I am primarily a designer) [03:41]
mircea_popescu well don't end up running something you don't understand. [03:41]
bloctoc thanks benkay. So, I'm looking at S.EUR as... WTF is S.EUR? [03:41]
mircea_popescu < [03:42]
benkay [03:42]
blackwhite sure. I have enough developer friends that will keep me in place [03:42]
benkay bloctoc: x.eur [03:42]
blackwhite :) [03:42]
mircea_popescu bloctoc not x.eur ? [03:42]
bloctoc anyone can answer [03:42]
benkay not quite the leverage of options, you know? [03:42]
bloctoc yeah, sorry x.eur [03:42]
mircea_popescu blackwhite [03:42]
benkay [03:42]
mircea_popescu bloctoc but it has a contract if you click it. [03:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: terminology of the russian propaganda << more specifically ? [03:43]
benkay [03:43]
bloctoc I'm afraid virus if I click [03:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "in refusing to acquiesce to the installation of a neo-fascist regime in Kiev" [03:43]
mircea_popescu bloctoc mpex doesn't even use javascript what are you on about [03:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the people in question aren't really shy of their nazi 'fandom' [03:44]
asciilifeform check out their own sites [03:44]
blackwhite yup got it thanks. [03:44]
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bloctoc actually, I had already clicked, but I don't understand the contract. I was trying to blame my inadequacy completely fabricated internet security problems. [03:44]
mircea_popescu well sure, but it's still a stretch [03:44]
mircea_popescu bloctoc ok, so what don't you understand ? [03:45]
asciilifeform i mean, what is one supposed to call folks chanting 'смерть жидам' and marching with Galician SS banners? [03:46]
mircea_popescu "idiots" works [03:46]
mircea_popescu it's purely a problem of terminology, see ? [03:46]
asciilifeform idiots of a particular rare variety, which survived in a curious 'nature preserve' for quite some time [03:47]
mircea_popescu as far as i recall the nazis raped ukraine pretty good, the notion someone there actually is much of a nazi is ridicxulous on its face to begin with. [03:47]
mircea_popescu right wing, i guess, "socialistically-challenged", whatever. [03:47]
asciilifeform if a zoologist were to speak of a lion, he wouldn't merely say 'panthera' [03:47]
mircea_popescu but those dudes aren't "nazis" in that sense. [03:47]
mircea_popescu they're more akin to the aryan union, actually. [03:48]
mircea_popescu heck, they're probably inspired by the aryan union. [03:48]
asciilifeform correct. except, with some non-negligible historical continuity with the actual nazis, which the american version lacks [03:49]
asciilifeform read their own turds, where the wankers proclaim 'i wanna finish what grandpa started' [03:49]
mircea_popescu which... you know, has to to with nazism about as much as mice and men with martin short and steven segall has to do with french impresionism [03:49]
mircea_popescu yeah yeah, but you know and i know it's entirely empty posturing. [03:49]
mircea_popescu what did his granpa start ? a kolhoz ? [03:50]
asciilifeform what would be needed for non-emptiness? a resurrected hitler? [03:50]
mircea_popescu for instance, a rejection of ukrainians as lower stock ? [03:50]
mircea_popescu an actual nazi party in the ukraine would be quite the schopenhauerian feat. [03:50]
asciilifeform but, what would be needed for it to qualify as a proper nazi party? merely the brand and logo? [03:51]
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mircea_popescu no, as i say. it can't be a proper nazi party for as long as it seriously contemplates accepting any ukrainian national in its ranks. [03:52]
mircea_popescu it's like telling me you could have a grandee armee in coventry. [03:52]
mircea_popescu no, you fucking can't, the french would have never taken any brits, ever, no matter what. [03:52]
asciilifeform ;;google galician ss [03:52]
gribble 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) - Wikipedia ...: ; 'Galicia' Division - Justice for Germans: ; What's On Kiev | News | The Infamous Ukrainian Waffen SS (1 more message) [03:52]
mircea_popescu wasn't that mostly from like slovakia/bohjemia etc ? [03:53]
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asciilifeform ;;google stepan bandera [03:53]
gribble Stepan Bandera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ukraine's Neo-Nazis. Stepan Bandera and the Legacy of World War ...: ; (1 more message) [03:53]
mircea_popescu o wait, this is the glatz. [03:53]
asciilifeform this fellow is their ultimate hero. [03:53]
mircea_popescu supposedly a german land since fredrich. [03:53]
mircea_popescu listen, srsly, galicia doesn't count in this discussion. [03:54]
asciilifeform (not a russian fiction, but straight from the horse's mouth) [03:54]
mircea_popescu right. the equivalent of romania's iron guard's codreanu idjit. [03:54]
mircea_popescu but that's still not nazi. [03:54]
asciilifeform you're quite right that the actual, historic nazis are gone. [03:55]
asciilifeform what's left is... well, this. [03:55]
mircea_popescu and anyway! death to the jews ? [03:55]
mircea_popescu why aren't these qualifications for "loyal subjects of the king of aragon" ? [03:55]
mircea_popescu or for caterine de medicis ? [03:56]
asciilifeform this isn't even the interesting part about the west ua folks [03:56]
mircea_popescu "death to the jews" is, at least in europe, about as common as "open your legs, i'm not gonna do anything" [03:56]
asciilifeform what they want isn't to be merely left alone to run their historical (province of poland, really) agrarian pesthole [03:56]
asciilifeform they'd like to dominate the historically rus. west, and own the soviet-built factories which they had no part in creating [03:56]
mircea_popescu so that makes them neo nazis ?! [03:57]
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asciilifeform mostly to saw into scrap and sell to the nato block [03:57]
mircea_popescu i mean understand me, i am not proposing that either side or party or w/e active entity there is either respectable or in the right. [03:57]
mircea_popescu im merely saying that the neonazi label is about as approximative as calling them "knights of the cuisinart", or freemasons. [03:58]
asciilifeform nah, marching around in ss garb makes them. you gotta appreciate how this makes them an almost physiological allergen to anyone who grew up even vaguely russian. [03:58]
mircea_popescu and inasmuch as this is the case, which exact label one picks serves as a group identification. if you use the russian propaganda terminology you basically are throwing up a flag and little more. [03:58]
mircea_popescu ah, cause the "great patriotic war" stuff ? [03:58]
mircea_popescu "Unlike competing Polish, Russian, Hungarian or Romanian nationalisms in late imperial Austria, imperial Russia, interwar Poland and Romania, Ukrainian nationalism did not include antisemitism as a core aspect of its program and saw Russians as well as Poles as the chief enemy with Jews playing a secondary role." lmao. [03:59]
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mircea_popescu shithole didn't even have jews in the first place. [03:59]
asciilifeform who did the jerries plug at babi yar? martians? [04:00]
mircea_popescu hm this is a point. [04:01]
mircea_popescu so then what, were the jews in ukraine mostly settled farmers ? [04:01]
mircea_popescu o yes, because beyond the pale huh [04:01]
asciilifeform smallholders, petty merchants [04:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 282 @ 0.0043109 = 1.2157 BTC [+] {5} [04:02]
asciilifeform people who apply 'human morality' to the logic of empire are weird. [04:04]
asciilifeform from the standpoint of americans, it is a beautiful thing if poland, ua, baltics, etc. are stuffed with as many missile bases as physically fit, aimed at moscow [04:04]
asciilifeform from the standpoint of russia, not so beautiful [04:04]
mircea_popescu well sure. [04:05]
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asciilifeform likewise, americans ought to - and will - dance in the streets if the port at sevastopol is conquered and the russian fleet can no longer interfere with the u.s. syrian demolition derby [04:06]
mircea_popescu but listen, had orlov called them "privileged male chauvinist pigs" i'd have went "whoa, when did this guy join the blue side" [04:06]
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mircea_popescu there's approximately 0% chances of sevastopol falling this year. [04:06]
asciilifeform sure. [04:06]
bloctoc for the logs, I will be changing my handle to tacostorm soon [04:07]
mircea_popescu well that's it, by then syria's done. [04:07]
asciilifeform orlov's position, as far as i can tell, is that u.s. inherited the crown of idiocy worn by the old ussr [04:08]
asciilifeform and that anyone who interferes with it's doings, for whatever purpose, is to be applauded [04:09]
mircea_popescu but in what terms ? [04:10]
mircea_popescu that's always been the question of the independent thinker, [04:10]
mircea_popescu as hamlet plainly states. [04:10]
asciilifeform it is not easy to describe, accurately and completely, the nato block's policy of nation-wrecking using something other than 'russian' terms. but you're welcome to try. [04:11]
asciilifeform i, for one, would like to read the result. [04:11]
mircea_popescu but calling people "neonazis" describes nothing, and especially not accurately or completely. [04:11]
mircea_popescu in fact, pretty much anything else would work better. [04:11]
asciilifeform it isn't orlov's (or putin's) fault that the west ua folks insist on becoming something out of a comic book [04:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0043299 = 0.2165 BTC [+] [04:12]
asciilifeform omitting the 'nazi' would be quite like, were they to wear clown suits while doing their thing, to omit mention of said suits. [04:12]
mircea_popescu well, nationalist movements in the 21st century. it's gonna be pretty comedic. [04:12]
ThickAsThieves BitBet in WSJ! [04:13]
mircea_popescu bitbeat ?! [04:13]
mircea_popescu whi not just call it beatit [04:13]
ThickAsThieves like idiots they link to BRK-B of course [04:13]
mircea_popescu "Not too many takers so far: of the 100 confirmed bets, 88 are betting on Uncle Warren. Only 12 have taken the bitcoin side of the bet. (Paul Vigna)" [04:14]
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Duffer1 the oracle of "Ohama" [04:14]
mircea_popescu dude this totally matters :D [04:14]
mircea_popescu ahaha this is so awful. [04:14]
ThickAsThieves I'm one of the 12 apostles! [04:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00429057 = 0.3647 BTC [-] {4} [04:14]
mircea_popescu hey. i guess that finally makes me baby jesus on a stick ? [04:15]
ThickAsThieves I'm the first [04:15]
ThickAsThieves apostle [04:15]
mircea_popescu thickaspaul ? [04:15]
ThickAsThieves John, of course [04:16]
Duffer1 lol no mention of the size of the yes bets... [04:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, in sum, you're saying he's just whatever, too tired to even invent a name for the idiots so he's going with neo nazi ? [04:16]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 every vote cunts. [04:16]
asciilifeform actually there is a beautiful russian name widely in use now [04:17]
asciilifeform 'майдауны' [04:17]
asciilifeform from 'майдан' (the ua square where the 'demonstration' was) and 'даун' (down's syndrome) [04:17]
Duffer1 yes has 1007 votes, no has 31 votes [04:18]
ThickAsThieves I'll be there for your crucifixion, and there when no apostles are left [04:18]
asciilifeform mr. o's problem, as it often is, is that he blogs in english. [04:18]
mircea_popescu haha maidanik ? [04:18]
ThickAsThieves this is my gospel [04:18]
mircea_popescu maidownik [04:18]
asciilifeform yeah something like that [04:18]
mircea_popescu see, if he had called them maidowniks i'd have been in awe of his fucking expressivity [04:19]
mircea_popescu five hours later, when i'd have finally figured it [04:19]
asciilifeform as always, when using a technical pidgin like english, everybody loses something. [04:19]
mircea_popescu it can be made to work [04:19]
asciilifeform yes. [04:19]
mircea_popescu it just needs to be beaten black and blue and then fucked raw. [04:19]
asciilifeform i personally have attempted, on occasion, to make it go. [04:19]
mircea_popescu why do you think he was called "shake spear" [04:19]
asciilifeform lol [04:20]
* ThickAsThieves is now known as Shakespeare [04:20]
Shakespeare He's rounding up the watch of his wit, by and by it will strike. [04:21]
mircea_popescu [04:21]
Shakespeare winding up* [04:21]
mircea_popescu this needs a repost. those perfect butts omg. [04:21]
mircea_popescu Proof of Work. [04:21]
Shakespeare did you see that ad i linked to with the girl jiggling her butt? [04:22]
Shakespeare a few days ago [04:22]
Shakespeare so addictive for some reason [04:22]
mircea_popescu prolly not [04:22]
Shakespeare [04:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: fuck this life, for one night you dont suck a dick and suddenly you are not a ho anymo' ? <<< bwahaha [04:23]
mircea_popescu dude srsly ? [04:24]
mircea_popescu you can not be my apostle anymore. [04:24]
mircea_popescu that's like the third most overused gif on the internet. [04:24]
Shakespeare fuck you i love it [04:24]
Shakespeare no matter how used she is [04:24]
Shakespeare i enjoy her swagger [04:24]
mircea_popescu do you even wank ? [04:24]
Shakespeare not to that [04:25]
asciilifeform and then it comes out that the grl cheated with electrodes. (suppose.) [04:25]
Shakespeare i just like it [04:25]
Shakespeare i dont seek to underdstand why [04:25]
Shakespeare i just know i do [04:25]
asciilifeform 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to [wank] and die.' [04:25]
mircea_popescu haha [04:25]
asciilifeform 'into the valley of reddit rode the six hundred' [04:25]
mircea_popescu Neil wanna bet on that ? [04:26]
Shakespeare I do repent the tedious minutes I with her have spent [04:27]
Shakespeare [04:28]
ozbot Consumer Alert: Buy Bitcoins at Your Own Risk [04:28]
mircea_popescu "No Mircia, US isn't confused, just disgusted with thugs like #Putin" [04:28]
mircea_popescu derp. [04:28]
mircea_popescu putin should come out of the closet as a furry or something, just to troll reddit. [04:29]
Shakespeare Putin is doing pretty well with his branding as is [04:29]
Shakespeare basically seens as the cuddly mobster with a beach bod [04:30]
Shakespeare seen* [04:30]
mircea_popescu if he did more craigkate type of stuff it'd be riotous. [04:30]
asciilifeform putin's position with respect to the u.s. is roughly similar to mpex vs. the btc wankiverse [04:30]
mircea_popescu this is the problem with large organisations and old people, they aren't in touch with the kids anymore, dunno how to really hurt them. [04:31]
asciilifeform the latter has nothing the former needs [04:31]
mircea_popescu a steady stream of "putin takes stance on making kremlin toilets use recycled paper" bs would do wonders. [04:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but you will notice that mpex has mpoe-pr doing a lot of fun stuff [04:31]
Shakespeare mp will you pay for my ticket from Romania to Amsterdam to go to the Bitcoin 2014 conference and call out Jon Matonis with a crowd present? [04:31]
mircea_popescu where's putin's hottie in ten inch heels ? [04:32]
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Duffer1 i'd put .1 on that shakespear [04:32]
Shakespeare and/or Hearn [04:32]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare no, but matonis could pay me not to pay you... [04:32]
asciilifeform the fellow he pays to take photos of him hugging (or, occasionally, shooting and stuffing) large fauna are analogous to the pr. [04:32]
Shakespeare amd/or Marco Santori [04:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform notrly, he doesn't have reddit comments going "reading putin's pr chick makes me physically hurt" [04:33]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare who's that one ? [04:33]
Shakespeare would you at least pay for my hash? [04:33]
Shakespeare Santori is the "bitcoin lawyer" [04:33]
Shakespeare who is generlaly horrible [04:33]
mircea_popescu nah it was murck [04:33]
mircea_popescu o, the forum one. ok ok [04:33]
thestringpuller conference is what ont the 20th? [04:33]
Shakespeare he'll be there too [04:33]
thestringpuller i have to be in germany at the end of march [04:34]
thestringpuller boo [04:34]
Shakespeare it's May 15-17 [04:34]
mircea_popescu that's ok, once they reach a level where they can be helped they'll make their way here. [04:34]
thestringpuller no the MPEx conference in April [04:34]
Shakespeare yeah [04:34]
Shakespeare i'm just making excuses to do a euro toyur [04:34]
thestringpuller when did it change to may? [04:34]
Shakespeare tour [04:34]
Shakespeare Romania, Amsterdam, Cyprus [04:35]
mircea_popescu "The Piraeus bond deal underscores both the continued improvement in the perception of Greece’s economy as well as the flood of cash in the financial system that has depressed returns on debt of all stripes." [04:35]
mircea_popescu dude fucking bubble from hell they're inflating. [04:35]
mircea_popescu CCC greek bank raises half a bn euros at 5.125% [04:35]
Shakespeare who the hell wants greek bonds [04:35]
mircea_popescu unsecured 3 year senior [04:35]
mircea_popescu ikr ? [04:35]
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mircea_popescu i'll tell you who. all the people with worthless cash. [04:36]
Shakespeare maybe if they all trade bonds for bonds enough between countries, all the debt will go away [04:36]
Shakespeare that's the idea right? [04:37]
mircea_popescu yeah, like if you have sex with a lot of 3 year olds your hiv will be cured. [04:37]
Shakespeare kick the can, it's barely got a dent! [04:37]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller that's in like late april. [04:38]
mircea_popescu The current digital currency narrative, while certainly attractive to entrepreneurs, venture capital, and the media, is extremely "First World" in nature. And a primary question remains -- do such innovations, as we know them today, address the needs of consumers and businesses on both sides of an international transaction? [04:38]
mircea_popescu derp. [04:38]
mircea_popescu how can there be so much derp available ? [04:38]
asciilifeform the one inexhaustible natural resource. [04:39]
mircea_popescu it's like... nobody ever puts in a derp order that goes unfilled by the derpgods ? [04:39]
Shakespeare is that a WU quote? [04:39]
mircea_popescu yea [04:39]
Shakespeare ... [04:39]
mircea_popescu well forbes really [04:39]
Shakespeare who do they think theyre fooling? [04:39]
mircea_popescu i mean fortune sorry. [04:39]
Shakespeare shareholders i guess [04:39]
mircea_popescu who ? do you even read the log! [04:39]
mircea_popescu "The Piraeus bond deal underscores..." [04:39]
Shakespeare not today [04:39]
Shakespeare i drank instead [04:39]
mircea_popescu i never tried that one. what's it, a vodka ? [04:40]
Shakespeare mea culpa [04:40]
Shakespeare i mixed [04:40]
Shakespeare probly regret it tomorrow [04:40]
mircea_popescu actually "instead" sounds more like a tequilla [04:40]
asciilifeform who was 'pravda' for? not every squeal that comes out of an idiot is intended to communicate - even to deceive. sometimes, it's just the croaking of frogs. [04:40]
asciilifeform it's just wired to make certain noises. [04:41]
mircea_popescu i doubt frogs croak without communicative intent [04:41]
mircea_popescu they gotta fuck [04:41]
Shakespeare whiskey, beer, some ginger drink with i think rye whiskey, beer, malbec [04:41]
asciilifeform better example, buzz of the fly [04:41]
* Shakespeare shrugs [04:41]
asciilifeform it's just the way the wings are set up. [04:41]
mircea_popescu drink some concrete, you'll be all set. [04:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform much better example indeed. [04:41]
asciilifeform i vaguely recall that the buzz isn't from the wings proper, but from little quasi-vestigial winglets [04:42]
mircea_popescu im sure that according to the fly's own onboard instrumentation, its flight is quiet. [04:42]
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asciilifeform whose purpose is unclear, but if removed, the insect won't fly. [04:42]
mircea_popescu stabilisation afaik [04:42]
asciilifeform they are thought to dissipate turbulence or somesuch [04:42]
asciilifeform last i checked. [04:42]
mircea_popescu something like that [04:42]
mircea_popescu benkay that blockchain thing actually soiunds like a good idea. i can't believe they're past the 24h mark. [04:43]
benkay but what criteria!? [04:43]
mircea_popescu someone offers proof of being owed ? [04:43]
benkay anyways, off to troll the local yokels about their inadequate security and absurd obeisance to the tyrant [04:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0540999 = 0.1082 BTC [+] {2} [04:44]
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benkay that's not easily faked? [04:44]
thestringpuller Timosora Germany Amsterdam then back home for under 3 btc [04:44]
benkay i'll be watching the logs [04:44]
mircea_popescu bloctoc if you have the fiat collateral to post im pretty sure you'll find some. you can prolly even ask coinbase. [04:44]
thestringpuller wow [04:44]
thestringpuller travel isn't bad these days [04:44]
Shakespeare my wife is pissed at me because i said people dont pasteurize chemicals and i wasnt polite enough (being wrong wasnt even the issue, as she was talking about apple cider vinegar, and i was talkign about acetic acid) [04:44]
thestringpuller TOO BAD nubbins` hasn't finished my tribute [04:44]
nubbins` too bad you only paid for the draft sketches : [04:45]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare make her kneel naked on dry beans for two hours. [04:45]
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thestringpuller lets resolve that right now yes yes? [04:46]
mircea_popescu lmao so i made hotel reservations today, which they confirmed in triplicate, and the girl eager to impress both her boss and his mysterious business partner guy of numerous hermetic grandeurs (ie, me) broke out the special character set : "doublé rooms" she says. [04:47]
Shakespeare this is compounded by her being mad at neil degrasse tyson for saying evolution is a fact [04:47]
mircea_popescu wait what ?! [04:47]
Shakespeare she just thinks scientists shouldnt be so arrogant about their proven theories [04:47]
mircea_popescu this woman would chew on her own liver if she ever read these logs wouldn't she. [04:48]
Shakespeare i explained that just because they say evolution is fact, doesnt mean they exclude all other possible influence [04:48]
Shakespeare she'd at least chew on mine [04:48]
Shakespeare maybe mutations arent totally random, whatever [04:48]
Shakespeare everything is true until it is untrue [04:49]
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mircea_popescu so what's her alternative pet theory ? [04:49]
Shakespeare none [04:49]
Shakespeare just "mean" is bad [04:49]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is the conference in may not april? [04:49]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller april 18-20 [04:49]
Shakespeare she just thinks they need to be more open-minded [04:49]
Shakespeare i explained there is a scienctific process [04:50]
Shakespeare etc [04:50]
mircea_popescu well i agree, they should be more open minded. [04:50]
Shakespeare sure [04:50]
mircea_popescu this is like, you know, coffee should taste better. [04:50]
Shakespeare but you can see how the first statement morphed with each of my rebuttals [04:50]
mircea_popescu hence the dry beans. [04:50]
asciilifeform how come nobody goes around telling, say, electrical engineers to be 'more open minded,' and consider devils as an alternative to maxwell's equations in explaining electromagnetic phenomena ? [04:51]
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asciilifeform why is it that only biologists are forced to deal with this [04:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform more open minded, in this context, is for instance considering the point that a severe beating is liable to be at least as effective an educational tool as speech. [04:51]
Shakespeare really the only lesson to learn is to not watch Cosmos with others [04:52]
Shakespeare it's boring as fuck anyway [04:52]
asciilifeform afaik this is not a controversial position outside of the weird anglo nature preserve. [04:52]
mircea_popescu which is a billion strong and incredibly vocal. [04:52]
Shakespeare that, and of course, that your wife is always right [04:52]
mircea_popescu people keep harping about "inequality of wealth distribution", but that fails to worry me. [04:52]
mircea_popescu what does worry me is that out of the stupidities emitted every day, said sphere leisurely owns 99.x% [04:53]
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mircea_popescu while by population should only be entitled to a modest 15% [04:53]
Shakespeare well why are smart people so disinclined to reproduce? [04:53]
nubbins` because they know better [04:53]
mircea_popescu because it doesn't pay. [04:53]
Shakespeare pretty stupid, if you ask me [04:53]
mircea_popescu do youwant me to dig up my article on the topic ? [04:54]
Shakespeare at least donate sperm [04:54]
nubbins` lel [04:54]
nubbins` donate sperm, no thanks [04:54]
Shakespeare is it in Romanian? [04:54]
mircea_popescu i can't recall ;/ [04:54]
Shakespeare i watched a documentary on Romanian street kids [04:55]
asciilifeform the anglos have fucked up even sperm donation [04:55]
Shakespeare girls that look like boys, huffing paint all day [04:55]
asciilifeform us and brits both opened donors to paternity lawsuits [04:55]
nubbins` "why are smart people disinclined to put their lives and plans on hold for decades and hit a generational reset button?" [04:55]
nubbins` totally valid question D; [04:55]
Shakespeare is that still how it is in the subway? [04:55]
Shakespeare the documentary blamed it on the banning of birth control [04:56]
Shakespeare but all the kids seemed to be escaping alcoholic dads [04:56]
Shakespeare [04:57]
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mircea_popescu huffing toluene/whatever other solvents is not that geograpghically concentrated [04:59]
asciilifeform by some accounts, we have the u.s. newspapers (circa '50s-60s) to thank for the popularity of this practice. [04:59]
mircea_popescu it may actually be genetic. about 18% or so of the population finds various aromatic hydrocarbons... aromatic. [05:00]
mircea_popescu (ie, gasoline smells good to them) [05:00]
Shakespeare i like the smell of gasoline [05:00]
mircea_popescu so there yo ugo. you're a winner. [05:00]
asciilifeform lol [05:01]
mircea_popescu you have like 30% chances to develop some types of liver cancer etc. [05:01]
Shakespeare aurolac i think, was the stuff they huffed [05:01]
asciilifeform might just be an 'irritation threshhold' phenomenon. [05:01]
mircea_popescu that's a brand name. [05:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what i read suggested it's the presence of particular enzimatic pathways [05:01]
mircea_popescu like some people think peanut butter smells awful [05:01]
Shakespeare i mean i dont like so much i'd seek out smelling it [05:02]
mircea_popescu their liver is just not too happy with the prospect of having to cope with that load. [05:02]
Shakespeare but there's some interest when i do [05:02]
asciilifeform 'normal' phenotype doesn't really get to smell the gasoline, he goes 'aargh' from his nose dissolving a little [05:02]
Shakespeare i also love peanut butter [05:02]
Shakespeare a lot [05:02]
mircea_popescu so do most dogs [05:02]
Shakespeare well [05:02]
Shakespeare i dont like dogs particularly [05:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, there's a lot of metabolic diversity under this "all humans are humans" misguided perception. and it isn't limited to this species, either. [05:03]
mircea_popescu some dogs love chocolate. some other dogs can die spontaneously from it. [05:03]
mircea_popescu cats are fine, but i've never heard of a cat like th estuff [05:03]
asciilifeform obligate carnivores tend to have 'underpowered' liver [05:03]
asciilifeform on average. [05:04]
Shakespeare i have a cat that loves beer [05:04]
Shakespeare which i know is toxic for cats [05:04]
nubbins` onions are bad for cats [05:04]
asciilifeform the beast isn't really built to deal with plant toxins [05:04]
Shakespeare another cat loves wheat bread [05:04]
Shakespeare tears through the bag if left unattended [05:04]
nubbins` there's mixed opinions on whether tomatoes are bad for cats [05:05]
Shakespeare same cat will play fetch too [05:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. but also a lot of variation there. [05:05]
nubbins` altho TBH people thought tomatoes were bad for people until what, the 1800s? [05:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that was due to the lead. [05:05]
asciilifeform a plant toxin the eater can't 'deal with' is poison, or drug, depending on dose and aesthetics [05:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i kept proposing people to make catnip illegal in the us [05:05]
nubbins` i figured it was because it's from the nightshade family [05:05]
mircea_popescu very few got the high quality trolling they were blessed with. [05:05]
nubbins` either way, imagine being the guy who discovered tomatoes are awesome [05:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no. this was chiefly a us phenomenon. the us at the time was poor and lazy, so most of their flatware was made of lead. [05:06]
mircea_popescu guess what happens to lead that's washed in aciding tomato juice. [05:06]
asciilifeform if catnip worked on man like it does on cat, i doubt it would be permitted even in the u.s. botanical garden. [05:06]
mircea_popescu acidic* [05:06]
Shakespeare raw tomatoes make me gag [05:06]
nubbins` it makes the food healthier? ;( [05:06]
asciilifeform (where you will find, for instance, khat - and possibly other forbidden flora) [05:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but why should it be allowed for cats ? it's a drug neh ? [05:07]
mircea_popescu people ABUSE their pets... [05:07]
nubbins` if cats paid taxes, catnip would be illegal [05:07]
mircea_popescu cats pay more taxes than most us dwellers. [05:07]
mircea_popescu any idea what a bag of catfood costs ? [05:07]
asciilifeform lol [05:07]
nubbins` incidentally, yes [05:07]
mircea_popescu not to mention the shit trays and medical inspections. [05:07]
asciilifeform in the town there i live, there is, theoretically, a tax on cats [05:07]
asciilifeform nobody pays [05:08]
Shakespeare i have one cat with protein allergies [05:08]
Shakespeare so they all eat duck [05:08]
nubbins` $75 to get a thermometer stuck up Pinki's ass last week [05:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform plenty of indirect taxes tho. everyone pays. [05:08]
asciilifeform sure. [05:08]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare [05:09]
mircea_popescu turns out it was in english. grep "reproduce" [05:09]
Shakespeare dammit my trilema cookie reset [05:09]
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asciilifeform damn, thought that was the post where you described automatic 'public impregnators' for japan [05:12]
asciilifeform turns out that was elsewhere. [05:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know, paragraph long links look kinda dorky [05:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform most of myshit is misplaced by now. [05:12]
asciilifeform i picture this hypothetical device as being a kind of topologically reverse version of the 'milking machine' japan recently became famous for. [05:12]
asciilifeform nm - chinese! [05:13]
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mircea_popescu analinguists ftw! [05:14]
Shakespeare so far Stacey Nelkin seems kinda derpy [05:14]
mircea_popescu that's the genius of it :D [05:15]
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Shakespeare as an aside while i read, do you consider a state leader imposing law that results in more children to be smart or dumb? [05:17]
Shakespeare i guess that's a loaded q [05:17]
Shakespeare needs more context [05:17]
mircea_popescu do read. [05:17]
mircea_popescu somehow stacey asks the same. [05:17]
asciilifeform Shakespeare: not unlike asking 'is a leader who imposes law resulting in more steel production smart' ? [05:18]
asciilifeform ;;google chinese backyard steel [05:18]
gribble Backyard furnace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Great Leap Forward Period in China, 1958-1960: [05:18]
mircea_popescu for that matter : leadership and lawmaking are quite distinct endeavours. [05:18]
mircea_popescu a leader that imposes laws is doing something wrong. [05:19]
asciilifeform 'i gave the fool an ax, to fetch some kindling sticks; and to the mosque he went, and smashed the door to bits.' (persian, bad double-translation from rus. mine) [05:20]
mircea_popescu not so bad. [05:20]
mircea_popescu incidentally it is naught but shoicking how little persian exists in english translations, [05:20]
mircea_popescu all things considered. [05:20]
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asciilifeform 'rubaiat' and that's it, afaik. [05:20]
mircea_popescu which was british anyway. [05:21]
mircea_popescu and is quite spotty. [05:21]
asciilifeform english gentleman, afaik, wasn't expected to bother with translations, but to go out and learn languages [05:22]
asciilifeform hence we have what we have. [05:22]
mircea_popescu afaik the russian inteligentsia of today is developing quite a crush on persian cultural achievements. [05:22]
mircea_popescu (which does not map on iran at all, and which actually in the future may be the engine that liberates the poor persians from the smelly arab invaders) [05:23]
asciilifeform which achievements? classics? or this: [05:23]
asciilifeform [05:23]
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mircea_popescu classics. [05:24]
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mircea_popescu that crap is arabic not persian. [05:24]
asciilifeform sure. [05:25]
asciilifeform not sure if you could, at this point, 'separate the flies from the cutlets' (to use the rus. expression) [05:25]
mircea_popescu and if this is the next target for the suddenly found int'l cock of putin, [05:26]
asciilifeform it'd be like liberating constantinople from the turks [05:26]
mircea_popescu then we'll get perhaps to hear all about the arab nazis on orlov's blog [05:26]
asciilifeform lol [05:26]
mircea_popescu :D [05:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you definitely can, iran is more deeply split than the ukraine. [05:26]
asciilifeform recent word is that russian engineers (including girls) are happily collecting 'hazard pay' building infrastructure (incl. fission) for iran [05:26]
mircea_popescu you ever seen "a separation" ? [05:26]
asciilifeform and the girls are supposed to wear the bags, but piss on the demand [05:27]
mircea_popescu yeah, plenty of romanians too. [05:27]
asciilifeform good money. [05:27]
mircea_popescu they have this special immunity thing, they don't have to as long as they stay in the "foreigner" zone [05:27]
mircea_popescu they can even drink, there. [05:27]
mircea_popescu special shop, accessible by passport. [05:27]
asciilifeform the turks, if i recall, took this to a high art [05:28]
asciilifeform centuries ago [05:28]
asciilifeform (venetians) [05:28]
mircea_popescu yup [05:28]
mircea_popescu gyaurs [05:28]
asciilifeform i'm waiting for the extraterritoriality zones in the u.s., where folks are permitted to behave like human beings [05:29]
mircea_popescu << this is the film in quesiton. [05:29]
ozbot Jodaeiye Nader az Simin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:29]
mircea_popescu in it, the father teaches his pubescent daughter the difference between "us" and "those people" as a matter of course, [05:29]
mircea_popescu and generally the degree to which the society is steeped in it is clearly apparent [05:30]
chetty asciilifeform: you mean the 'reservations'? [05:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform precisely what the recent thing with the sec was all aobut. [05:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Noted for future reference [05:30]
mircea_popescu "you may continue to pretend you're a country just as soon as you come to terms with us being immune" [05:30]
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asciilifeform chetty: u.s. 'reservations' as they presently exist aren't the least bit 'extraterritorial' - they've been busted open for something as mundane as 'war on drugs' in the past. [05:34]
mircea_popescu i have my moments [05:34]
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asciilifeform proper extraterritoriality needs a genuine power, that can make it stick [05:34]
mircea_popescu usually known as the power of fuck you. [05:35]
mircea_popescu precisely what the most serene republic amply posessed and widely employed. [05:35]
BingoBoingo The bitcoinpete link is fixed [05:35]
asciilifeform exactly this. [05:35]
Shakespeare okay i'm done reading [05:36]
Shakespeare some questions [05:36]
Shakespeare could a population thrive where the role is reversed? [05:36]
Shakespeare men being raped [05:36]
Shakespeare men being the "women" [05:36]
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Shakespeare same question for an economy [05:37]
chetty society can not fight mother nature [05:37]
mircea_popescu not unless by "men" you understand "they with vaginas and pregnancies" [05:37]
Shakespeare women doing the work [05:37]
Shakespeare well men doing the rearing [05:37]
mircea_popescu human gender is not biologically symmetrical. [05:37]
Shakespeare sure [05:37]
Shakespeare but i didnt ask whether they were [05:38]
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mircea_popescu well sure, that's the end of it. "could a planet exist with aqueous atmosphere and oceans of air ?" [05:38]
mircea_popescu no. [05:38]
Shakespeare merely if it's a role issue more than a gender one [05:38]
mircea_popescu next question. [05:38]
asciilifeform i often wonder why u.s. 'feminists' don't parade the most remarkable 'equality' freak show - post-war ussr [05:38]
asciilifeform with the burly steamroller driving girls [05:38]
chetty no its not, the roles are part of biology [05:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and the decorated mothers of ten. [05:39]
mircea_popescu the answer my friend (as you well know) is that feminism is not a theory, nor science, but a marketing ploy. [05:39]
asciilifeform they had serious problems with, at one point, mostly female police force in certain places [05:39]
asciilifeform would routinely be killed with own sidearms [05:39]
asciilifeform etc [05:39]
Shakespeare is your text also implying that a society which gives women fair play in the economy, ie females CEOs, equal pay, etc, is doomed the same? [05:39]
mircea_popescu actuially mostly female police seems to work wel lin columbia [05:40]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare yes. a democracy can never produce art. give the plebs the vote, you've ended painting, and music. [05:40]
mircea_popescu a society where women have a say in their reproductive history will produce a finite number of generations. [05:40]
mircea_popescu these aren't negotiable, in any manner. [05:40]
Shakespeare hmm [05:41]
asciilifeform people told 'female police force' picture 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz' rather than the more likely office plankton girl next door stuffed into a uniform. [05:41]
Shakespeare what if the women become self-aware in this way [05:41]
mircea_popescu what if i knew what the words you use mean. [05:41]
Shakespeare and seek to institutionalize sifficient reproduction [05:41]
Shakespeare sufficient* [05:41]
mircea_popescu but they wouldn't. [05:42]
asciilifeform Shakespeare: scroll up for coin-operated public impregnatrons. [05:42]
Shakespeare because they wouldnt care to [05:42]
mircea_popescu not exactly. [05:42]
chetty pass a law that the wind can not blow? [05:42]
asciilifeform (2024: listed as 'S.POOJ.' ye read it here phirst.) [05:43]
Shakespeare i do suppose the nature of male is still quite that it would seek to dominate [05:43]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare now, getting back to your original q, economic independence is not problematic, just as long as its not backed by legal independence. [05:43]
mircea_popescu this is why jooz mostly survived, and middle east models allow for stable populations. [05:44]
mircea_popescu places like cyprus say. [05:44]
mircea_popescu while the economy is in fact wholly controlled by matriarchs, nevertheless they have no legal rights. [05:44]
Shakespeare and this whole perspective is more likely the more intellectual root of conservative americans concerns for the sancitity of the family? [05:44]
Shakespeare sanctity* [05:45]
mircea_popescu it's an unclear intuition in their turbid heads of something that's factually there. [05:45]
asciilifeform 'intellectual root of conservative americans' concerns mainly the rust on their truck mufflers. [05:45]
mircea_popescu "if woman is not held slave to man, society ends". [05:45]
Shakespeare this certainly adds much-needed depth to their behavior [05:46]
mircea_popescu yes. [05:46]
mircea_popescu because merely saying "these people are stupid" is rather poor sociology. [05:46]
mircea_popescu stupid they may well be. [05:46]
mircea_popescu but why stupid this way rather than that still needs to be explained. [05:46]
Shakespeare same for being anti-gay i suppose [05:46]
mircea_popescu i have no idea why they'd be anti gay. [05:47]
Shakespeare where will raping men get us [05:47]
Shakespeare nowhere [05:47]
mircea_popescu i don't believe this works that far. [05:47]
mircea_popescu the romans were very openly pro-gay and worked just fine. [05:47]
Shakespeare hmm [05:47]
mircea_popescu what men do to each other does not matter in any sense. [05:47]
asciilifeform 'no idea why they'd be anti gay' << same reason as in russia, as described by mr. o - 'As Prof. Cohen recently pointed out, prior to Americans' gay rights agitation, Russian gays used to be called “faggots”; now they are being called “American faggots,” and gay rights in Russia have taken a giant leap back.' [05:48]
Shakespeare and this Garden movie, still required watching you think? [05:48]
chetty don't confuse anti-gay with protect marriage - the roman gay still married and had children [05:48]
mircea_popescu which garden movie ? [05:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform perhaps simple knee jerk "no no no no no no " [05:48]
Shakespeare "Gardens of the Night (a 2008, also with John Malkovichiv) is yet another installment in that man’s awesome, ruefully complete, atrociously honest, blithely limpid discussion of the divine cunt. " [05:48]
mircea_popescu a yes. [05:48]
mircea_popescu it must be seen. [05:49]
Shakespeare i hope netlflix has it [05:49]
asciilifeform standard, ages-old algorithm. if you want to lower someone into bitchdom, take those he has himself lowered and forcibly lift them [05:49]
mircea_popescu one may discuss pedophilia either as an actual professional, having gone to proper school for it [05:49]
asciilifeform thereby sitting him under domination of bitches [05:49]
mircea_popescu or else as an amateur, having at least seen that film. [05:49]
asciilifeform (s/bitch/пидор for the linguistically non-challenged) [05:49]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not sure i follow the implication here. [05:50]
asciilifeform this is a parsimonious hypothesis to explain american 'concern' for certain 'oppressed groups' worldwide [05:50]
* mircea_popescu does the ny hand jewsture. [05:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see your piece on the forcible prevention of 'school bully' [05:51]
asciilifeform and its actual motivations [05:51]
asciilifeform same dynamic. [05:51]
mircea_popescu i dun believe it, tbh. they're "concerned" about gay rights for much simpler reasons, [05:51]
mircea_popescu which are purely economical. [05:51]
mircea_popescu ie : how do poor would-be "CEO"s create a rent extractive engine ? [05:52]
mircea_popescu why, by making an overseas ngo doing something like protecting gay rights. [05:52]
asciilifeform freshly-uplifted 'bullied' folks can be relied upon as lackeys [05:52]
mircea_popescu now they get to travel, which excusesd them from owning a house, [05:52]
mircea_popescu and they can ask their rich friends for money [05:52]
Shakespeare the line i feel the most, in the whole thing, is this: "If you can do anything it’ll be hard actually doing anything." [05:52]
Shakespeare that cloud has hung over me many times in life [05:53]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare my mother had me at 21, which was a reasonable time to have a kid at the time, towards the end of one's secondary studies. [05:53]
mircea_popescu she was in a room with a 17yo and a 18yo girl. [05:53]
mircea_popescu doctor told her it's fucking late to have kids in your 20s and wtf is this bs. [05:53]
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mircea_popescu those 17yos are still having kids today, except "it's a problem" [05:54]
mircea_popescu and those 20yos are now waiting to be 30. [05:54]
Shakespeare indeed [05:54]
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Shakespeare and soon waiting to be 40 [05:54]
mircea_popescu human female is really built for primiparity around the age of 18 [05:54]
mircea_popescu 17, something. [05:55]
asciilifeform well, in usa 'adulthood' costs $1/2mil [05:55]
asciilifeform at least in the 'white zone' [05:55]
asciilifeform (elsewhere, $0, but it's academic to the afflicted) [05:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i heartily recommend having the kids in egypt. [05:55]
mircea_popescu costs ~1 dollar a day, and it's a much better environment [05:55]
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mircea_popescu or w/e, was, a decade ago. maybe meanwhile went to shit. [05:56]
asciilifeform perhaps before it got ukrained. [05:56]
mircea_popescu yeah, this was cca 2004 [05:56]
okcjosh whats the going consensus on the GHS futures at [05:56]
okcjosh ? [05:56]
Shakespeare it seems the more blurred this line between man and woman, the more discontent is bred [05:56]
mircea_popescu okcjosh you'll have to be more specific. [05:56]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare people often misrepresent their boredom and pointlessness as "discontent" [05:57]
okcjosh will it pay off? Right now a may GHS is around 33% the price of a live GHS. Does buying 3 times as many GHS for may have a good chance of paying out more, based on estimated Diff increase? [05:57]
asciilifeform technical term, afaik, is 'ennui' [05:57]
Shakespeare i see them being all one [05:57]
asciilifeform goes well with balanced diet of 'anomie' [05:57]
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mircea_popescu okcjosh when i ask you to be specific i mean about the contracts you're discussing. [05:58]
Shakespeare somehow it seems buddhism is a spawn of all this [05:58]
Shakespeare be one with being nothing [05:58]
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Shakespeare i guess all religion might be a spawn of this struggle [05:59]
Shakespeare both societal and economic [05:59]
mircea_popescu the irony here being that women do not in fact object to being quite literally enslaved, [06:00]
mircea_popescu but they do prefer an actual man. [06:00]
Shakespeare indeed [06:00]
mircea_popescu and the supply of actual men is so tight... so, so tight... [06:00]
Shakespeare well morals and community and etc all serve to pervert this [06:01]
asciilifeform 'drive nature out with pitchfork...' [06:01]
Shakespeare ignorance is truly bliss [06:02]
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dexX7 ;;tslb [06:06]
gribble Time since last block: 11 minutes and 54 seconds [06:06]
BingoBoingo ;;lasers [06:08]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [06:08]
asciilifeform ;;synchrophasotron [06:08]
gribble Error: "synchrophasotron" is not a valid command. [06:08]
asciilifeform damn. [06:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43554 @ 0.00080426 = 35.0287 BTC [+] {2} [06:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07326103 = 0.2198 BTC [+] [06:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.0008047 = 12.9154 BTC [+] [06:16]
mircea_popescu what is with this 80-88 vibration [06:18]
Chris_Sabian huh? [06:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0666 = 0.1332 BTC [-] [06:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053002 = 0.106 BTC [-] [06:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40820 @ 0.00080092 = 32.6936 BTC [-] {3} [06:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9882 @ 0.00079933 = 7.899 BTC [-] [06:24]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe someone is playing with themselves and hoping to trap someone when they break pattern? [06:30]
mircea_popescu must be [06:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00079924 = 29.2921 BTC [-] [06:44]
mircea_popescu [06:45]
ozbot Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide [06:45]
mircea_popescu check out all teh butthurt lmao [06:46]
mircea_popescu "o i had imagined i am important whai is it the case nobody cares" [06:46]
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mircea_popescu .d [06:47]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1066 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.9920% in 6d 19h 26m 23s [06:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00079852 = 13.2554 BTC [-] [06:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 4000 @ 0.0001 = 0.4 BTC [-] [06:53]
BingoBoingo All this butthurt over the fact they couldn't identify operators willing to continue indefinitely instead of collapsing at the first sign of opposition [06:54]
mircea_popescu this particular guy seems more like the armchair general type. [06:55]
mircea_popescu the sort that figures that by spending an inordinate amount of time derping on the internet he has now amassed credibility and importance and should be taken seriously. [06:56]
BingoBoingo Well their derping in other of your PR's threads supports that [06:56]
mircea_popescu sort-of like the people who imagine that if they spend a lot of time adding code on github they are now decident factors in the future of the world, [06:56]
mircea_popescu just like the people who imagine that if they spend a lot of time editing wikipedia they are now qualified to whatever, direct research spending i guess. [06:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39093 @ 0.00080439 = 31.446 BTC [+] {5} [06:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.01690824 = 0.1014 BTC [+] {2} [06:57]
mircea_popescu "The worship appears mutual, and watching Wetern media worship a bunch of nobodys whose idea of public art is going into supermarkets and stuffing frozen chickens in their vaginas (“Pussy Riot,” that is) provides much-needed comic relief." [06:57]
mircea_popescu o what is this, disparaging vagina stuffing ? [06:58]
mircea_popescu such codgerism. [06:58]
BingoBoingo Sentence seems like someone who probably was just weeks ago glorifying the extremes of human performance on display at the olympics. Why the double standard for vaginal performance? [06:59]
mircea_popescu in general because old men fear shameless hussies as the likely agents of young alpha males, which is how you say "evil" for old people. [07:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 5680 @ 0.00010001 = 0.5681 BTC [-] [07:05]
BingoBoingo I wonder how many of the Old GLBSE tards are familiar with this latest SEC email exchange? How hurt are the butts that saw Nefario just up and quit? [07:07]
mircea_popescu maybe do a poll ? [07:09]
mircea_popescu most of them are gone anyway. [07:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 733 @ 0.00080533 = 0.5903 BTC [+] [07:10]
BingoBoingo I wonder if there is a way to get the reaction from those exchange shareholder on welfare. If only there were a log like that of their reactions to be leaked. [07:10]
mircea_popescu i suppose if you're very bored you can hunt them all down and ask them, either on irc, via forum pms or w/e. [07:11]
mircea_popescu should make for an interesting collection. [07:11]
mircea_popescu this is what reporting is made out of, after all. burning the shoe rubber all day. [07:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0301 = 0.7525 BTC [-] {2} [07:13]
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chetty it just makes your irs file fatter [13:39]
mircea_popescu .d [13:40]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1010 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.2675% in 6d 8h 39m 28s [13:40]
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mircea_popescu it is simply not belivable how tight these bets get. [13:40]
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only wisdom of the crowd in action? [13:42]
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mircea_popescu i see no other explanation. [13:44]
mircea_popescu "all the humanistic victories of Soviet socialism" oh save me rwanda. asciilifeform what the fuck is the gent on about. [13:46]
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Izzy_ hello pa [13:53]
Izzy_ rty people [13:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00081045 = 24.2325 BTC [+] {2} [13:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00439999 = 0.484 BTC [+] [13:57]
mircea_popescu hi. [13:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0008107 = 17.5922 BTC [-] {2} [14:30]
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thestringpuller ;;calc (0.00082 - 0.00080328) / 0.00082 [14:50]
gribble 0.0203902439024 [14:50]
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Duffer1 [15:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98850 @ 0.00081128 = 80.195 BTC [+] {3} [15:09]
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davout x.eur wai u no volume? [15:11]
mircea_popescu davout tiny walls and erratic supply. [15:12]
davout mircea_popescu: tiny walls shouldn't really matter since if you place an order the mm bot will now trade against it [15:12]
mircea_popescu well how'd people know abotu this ? [15:13]
davout you'll get filled in bits of whatever its order size currently is [15:13]
mircea_popescu basically, sucess of a product - any product - is built out of predictable, dependable supply of good quality and some advertising. [15:14]
mircea_popescu which of the two have you been doing ? [15:14]
davout well, i'm now done with the former and getting busy with the latter right now [15:14]
mircea_popescu then ask again in a week or w/e :D [15:14]
davout two weeks, no volume, the mm must be running [15:15]
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mircea_popescu $vwap x.eur [15:18]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00212399 high: 0.00213452 low: 0.00210539 volume: 2081 btc: 4.42002826 30 day: average: 0.0020996 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.0019005 volume: 7008 btc: 14.71400992 [15:18]
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davout let's see how this plays out [15:20]
davout basically my point is that the mm algo is now what i imagined it to be initially, so that it should work as everyone expects it [15:21]
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ninjashogun hi - are you around, mircea_popescu? [15:27]
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mircea_popescu davout cool beans. [15:32]
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nubbins` huh, a guy from -otc has apparently been asked to appear on one of those pawn shop reality tv shows with his casascius coins [15:36]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Is that -otc guy you? [15:37]
Neil mircea_popescu> Neil wanna bet on that ? << Time lapse, no idea what you're referring to. [15:37]
nubbins` nah [15:37]
nubbins` some guy i've sold a bunch to [15:37]
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mircea_popescu Neil something you said about no more diff jumps over 20% [15:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00417041 = 0.3336 BTC [-] {4} [15:38]
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Neil mircea_popescu: Ah, absolutely. I intend to submit a bet soon but you or your stooges rejected my last one, so was waiting a while. [15:38]
Neil Quite happy to put money down [15:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.0041704 = 0.6214 BTC [-] {3} [15:39]
mircea_popescu coolness. [15:39]
Neil In fact I consider 20% too safe; was gonna make it more interesting. [15:39]
Neil .d [15:40]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 992 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7517% in 6d 5h 11m 16s [15:40]
Neil Lol. [15:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00081296 = 38.2904 BTC [+] {4} [15:41]
mircea_popescu the beauty of a functioning free market, which bitbet amply is by now, is that it really doesn't matter so much : whatever value you pick the odds will probably stack correctly. [15:41]
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Neil Would be interesting to see a plot of, um, what? Implied odds vs time? [15:41]
Neil With final outcome? [15:41]
Neil There are some that just turn out to be flukes at the last moment (like the gox collapse in the last 2 weeks of the gox price > 150 bet) [15:42]
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mircea_popescu there's a plot of that in every bet, that little rectangle. [15:42]
blackwhite morning [15:42]
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mircea_popescu speaking of which : [15:43]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla how about expanding the histograph to fill the whole section ? [15:43]
mircea_popescu like instead of going to the right of Histograph: make it go under [15:43]
mircea_popescu 1.5ish as wide, about the same as tall as it is inow [15:44]
Neil b.t.w. I claim full credit for the 10% bet [15:44]
mircea_popescu a you put it in ? [15:44]
Neil Indeed [15:44]
Apocalyptic Neil, you bet on the Yes side I presume [15:45]
mircea_popescu judging by the addresses he bet on no [15:45]
Neil Well given the above info it's a matter of public record what my initial bet was. What happened thereafter is for you to guess and me to know. [15:45]
mircea_popescu amusingly, the mod stacked it 9/1, exactly opposite of the 1/11 the bettors stacked it. [15:45]
mircea_popescu insanity. [15:45]
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nubbins` hmm [15:46]
nubbins` i'm trying to construct a reasonably sound bet on the price of, and i'm wondering if anyone has input on the conditions [15:47]
nubbins` i'm saying 2x par by [15:47]
mircea_popescu why not make it explicit, 0.0002 by date [15:47]
nubbins` sure [15:47]
nubbins` the low volume presents a dilemma tho [15:47]
mircea_popescu vwap is vwap [15:48]
mircea_popescu $vwap [15:48]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.00010003 high: 0.000101 low: 0.00010001 volume: 6000 btc: 0.6001788 7 day: average: 0.00010003 high: 0.000101 low: 0.00010001 volume: 6000 btc: 0.6001788 30 day: average: 0.0001239 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 11432 btc: 1.4163868 [15:48]
mircea_popescu 30day avg. [15:48]
nubbins` nod [15:48]
nubbins` that could work [15:48]
mircea_popescu course it'd depend on how far out [15:48]
nubbins` didn't want some bozo with a spare 20btc to just buy up and own the bet [15:48]
nubbins` is there a max limit to how far out? i was thinking april 1 2015 [15:49]
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mircea_popescu 1 year afair [15:49]
nubbins` nod [15:49]
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Neil HExKIkoPb28rVbuOluqStOoBPMv4KqE9b1CiajC7EVABy2jYunQxN0BzhF9CXD1Z301C1Krsrd60pgw+DvQgPs4= [15:50]
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nubbins` trying to find a way to turn this warrant into something that generates money before it's cashed ;D [15:50]
Neil Signature of "Neil" with the payout addr of the 10% bet [15:50]
mircea_popescu how do those things even work ? [15:51]
Neil What things? [15:51]
mircea_popescu incidentally, people running bots : how about adding a command that will parse one of these sigsigned shits into human format ? [15:51]
mircea_popescu ;;sig HExKIkoPb28rVbuOluqStOoBPMv4KqE9b1CiajC7EVABy2jYunQxN0BzhF9CXD1Z301C1Krsrd60pgw+DvQgPs4= -> string "string" signed by address "adress" on date "date" [15:52]
gribble Error: "sig" is not a valid command. [15:52]
mircea_popescu ikr? [15:52]
nubbins` hmm [15:52]
Neil Not sure re bots [15:52]
mircea_popescu would take some c/p from github, but why not ? [15:53]
Apocalyptic mircea, I believe the address nor the date is included in the sig, it's just a b64 ecoding of binary data [15:53]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic because the powerfully retarded rangers are retarded. that format is fucking useless. [15:53]
mircea_popescu but perhaps it could somehow be extended into utility ? [15:53]
Apocalyptic yes it kinda is [15:53]
Neil I think you need the signature, the message and the address. I doubt 2 of those 3 is enough for software [15:53]
Neil Not even sure it's possible without the actual public key. Is it? [15:53]
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mircea_popescu i have no idea. [15:54]
Neil hehe [15:54]
mircea_popescu i've never read how sigsig is actually implemented in code. [15:54]
BingoBoingo I was under the impression the sig contained the unhashed Pub key of an address [15:54]
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kakobrekla yes address is good enough, still need all 3 [15:54]
Neil BingoBoingo: I suspect you're right [15:54]
mircea_popescu i thought so too [15:54]
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mircea_popescu lol china accepts new zealand dollar convertibility ?! [15:55]
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mircea_popescu are they intending to colonize that island or what. [15:55]
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Neil mircea_popescu: Was amusing to read your 1-way conversation with the SEC. Did they respond beyond what you posted, or did it just go silent? [15:56]
mircea_popescu went silent. [15:56]
mircea_popescu which is why i posted. [15:56]
mircea_popescu two weeks is the term. [15:56]
Neil Cool, thought as much [15:56]
Duffer1 they'd need more than just a request from a functionary in order for things to get more interesting [15:57]
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Neil waxman had enough of being made the fool of [15:57]
mircea_popescu her job sucks,. for the record. [15:57]
Duffer1 no doubt [15:57]
mircea_popescu she spent 100k / 10 years in school in order to find a shitty office job, [15:57]
Neil Well, that's her choice. My jobs sucks, so I quit [15:57]
mircea_popescu which requires her basically to try and get people to talk to her on the phone [15:57]
mircea_popescu and read a script to them. [15:57]
Duffer1 <--available for that job [15:58]
mircea_popescu she's no different from the average indian girl, except the indian girl is 19 not 29 [15:58]
Neil But given her intro, I'm sure she loved the effect that "enforcement office for the SEC" or whatever it was had on 90% of the plebs [15:58]
mircea_popescu so really, it sucks to be her in ways one doesn't really fathom [15:58]
kakobrekla free caek [15:58]
kakobrekla;topicseen [15:58]
ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] [15:58]
mircea_popescu Neil so people think, but from what i know the bureaucrats rarely actually enjoy their job [15:58]
Neil mircea_popescu: I'm certain you're right. [15:58]
Neil But unluckily for them it's the best they've got, in most cases [15:59]
mircea_popescu if given the choice, this girl would have been doing something a little less retarded with her life. [15:59]
mircea_popescu however, she was born in the soviets. [15:59]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: I was about to post that, Mining Company can't operate shovels, sells shovels [15:59]
kakobrekla lel [15:59]
kakobrekla i already told them what they are figuring out now, half a year ago [16:00]
kakobrekla but, no slander. [16:00]
BingoBoingo Interesting to see how many alts Garr can manage for all of this shill bidding [16:00]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i have a quote for you somewhere [16:00]
mircea_popescu Quote from: kokonut on March 17, 2014, 10:02:54 AM [16:00]
mircea_popescu You are the sort of brainwashed halfwit who thinks the responsibility for the lost BTC of MtGOX customers lies with the customers, because "it's their fault for using MtGOX". [16:00]
mircea_popescu there. [16:00]
mircea_popescu brainwashed halfwit. [16:00]
kakobrekla heh [16:01]
kakobrekla i have nothing. [16:01]
Neil I hope the next 5 years makes joe blow aware of his level of brainwashing. But not holding my breath. [16:01]
mircea_popescu [16:01]
ozbot Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide [16:01]
Neil Yesterday had "exit interview" at bigcorp from which I resigned my shitty job. [16:01]
Neil As always, asked to sign "Confidentiality agreement". Turned up without said paper, amongst all the rest. [16:02]
Neil Usual game of "didn't we ask send you the papers". [16:02]
Duffer1 they'll dick around with your severance if you don't sign that [16:02]
Neil "Yes". "But I'm not gonna sign it for you for the first time, given my history of not signing this shit". "Oh, OK." [16:02]
BingoBoingo [16:02]
ozbot Possible Scammer - John K [16:02]
nubbins` neil, good for you [16:03]
Neil Duffer1: This company has no leverage at all! The previous one did, but still did nothing. It's all just lawyer crap. [16:03]
Duffer1 good [16:03]
Neil Previous one had about $250k of restricted stock. [16:03]
nubbins` BingoBoingo again?! [16:03]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Well he was the escrow for so many shitty forum things [16:04]
nubbins` capital-E Escrow, even [16:04]
mircea_popescu namworld / jurov what's BingoBoingo;s link all about ? [16:04]
Neil That $250k went straight into BTC as soon as it could [16:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no but this happens to be connected, scrat;s runnig coinroll or something, afaik [16:05]
BingoBoingo Ah [16:05]
jurov well John K was holding 100btc escrow for coinroll raffle [16:05]
BingoBoingo This whole John K escrow thing just shows why Multisig is super bad [16:06]
jurov for purpose if Scrat was not available or whatever [16:06]
mircea_popescu aha ? [16:06]
jurov and indeed it happened, but John did not pay [16:06]
mircea_popescu what, just like that ? [16:06]
jurov and he's still silent even after Scrast told him to [16:06]
mircea_popescu nuts ?! [16:07]
kakobrekla yummy yummy btc. [16:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06666024 = 0.6666 BTC [-] {4} [16:12]
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HeySteve I had funds with JohnK during his long unexplained absence [16:14]
HeySteve I thought he made good with everyone, or is this a new episode? [16:14]
mircea_popescu new episode [16:15]
kakobrekla might be a season [16:15]
BingoBoingo [16:15]
ozbot Five-Year-Old Mutton Bustin' Rider Eats It [16:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15711 @ 0.00080959 = 12.7195 BTC [-] [16:15]
mircea_popescu lol [16:16]
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Neil I recall there was a John K scam accusation that lasted about 3 wks last September-ish, and went quiet in an unconvincing way. [16:16]
Neil So not surprised to see this now [16:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 440 @ 0.00223045 = 0.9814 BTC [+] {2} [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-] [16:18]
HeySteve is there someone you guys would recommend to handle escrow? [16:18]
mircea_popescu HeySteve i have a few btc in escrow with salty spitoon atm [16:19]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 160 @ 0.00223045 = 0.3569 BTC [+] [16:19]
mircea_popescu $vwap x.eur [16:20]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00223045 high: 0.00223045 low: 0.00223045 volume: 600 btc: 1.33827 7 day: average: 0.00214782 high: 0.00223045 low: 0.00210539 volume: 2681 btc: 5.75829826 30 day: average: 0.00210992 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.0019005 volume: 7608 btc: 16.05227992 [16:20]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1/ 0.00223045 [16:20]
gribble 448.340021072 [16:20]
nubbins` i've done maybe 10btc worth of deals and escrow with salty [16:20]
nubbins` he's not on irc tho, forums only [16:20]
HeySteve ok thanks, will speak to salty next time [16:21]
nubbins` np [16:21]
mircea_popescu tell him to come on irc lol [16:21]
nubbins` i'd offer to escrow, but who am i, anyway? :D [16:21]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust nubbins` [16:22]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`! Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013 [16:22]
nubbins` oh, that's who! [16:22]
mircea_popescu not that bad. [16:22]
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HeySteve ;;getrust nubbins` [16:22]
gribble Error: "getrust" is not a valid command. [16:22]
nubbins` you missed a T [16:22]
HeySteve I don't get output [16:22]
HeySteve ;;gettrust nubbins` [16:22]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`! Trust relationship from user HeySteve to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013 [16:22]
nubbins` you typed get rust [16:22]
nubbins` and i'm not rusted ;( [16:22]
mircea_popescu lol get rust [16:22]
HeySteve ah ha... still not tho [16:23]
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Neil mircea_popescu: Kinda surprised by your faith in WoT. I'm not on it, but have had many dealings with reputable "players". Not sure I believe anything on it, given the rep it assigned to "pirateat40" just before he "did the inevitable". [16:23]
mircea_popescu anduck went negative ? when did that happen ? [16:23]
nubbins` HeySteve: well, if you don't have a WoT identity, ;;gettrust isn't going to do anything for you :) [16:23]
HeySteve do I need to be registered for WoT? [16:23]
mircea_popescu Neil didja read mpoe-pr's discussion of that topic ? [16:23]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: scammorz [16:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` seriously ? details ? [16:23]
Neil mircea_popescu: Maybe, maybe not. [16:24]
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nubbins` [16:24]
ozbot Rating Details for User 'anduck' [16:24]
Neil Read a lot of garbage. Signal-to-noise is tought. [16:24]
Neil tough [16:24]
nubbins` looks like a bunch of socks [16:24]
nubbins` (and rg) [16:24]
mircea_popescu a that's bs. [16:24]
mircea_popescu Neil [16:24]
nubbins` HeySteve: yep, you do [16:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00416001 = 0.5949 BTC [-] [16:24]
mircea_popescu it's a tool. it doesn't work by itself. [16:24]
nubbins` ;;rated anduck [16:24]
gribble You rated user anduck on Thu Nov 7 11:50:53 2013, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: patron of the arts. [16:24]
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mircea_popescu lol [16:25]
Daphna_A_Waxman_ hello all [16:25]
Daphna_A_Waxman_ can you read this? [16:25]
mircea_popescu hello cam888 [16:25]
Apocalyptic lol [16:25]
mircea_popescu oops i mean Daphna_A_Waxman_ [16:25]
nubbins` and they say government grants are the only way to make a living in the arts. [16:25]
Duffer1 ha [16:25]
Daphna_A_Waxman_ Hi Mircea [16:25]
Daphna_A_Waxman_ I'm not recording this conversation [16:25]
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Daphna_A_Waxman_ Anything we discuss is between you and I. [16:26]
Daphna_A_Waxman_ I can promise you confidentiality. [16:26]
mircea_popescu that's nice, but this is a public channel and it is logged, as per the topic. [16:26]
mircea_popescu !topic [16:26]
BingoBoingo Daphna_A_Waxman_: Actually this channel is recorded and logged [16:26]
kakobrekla !topic [16:26]
mircea_popescu that aside, when did you get transferred to thailand ? [16:26]
nubbins` ^ HEH [16:26]
kakobrekla no u confuse me mp, its ;; [16:26]
BingoBoingo || || || [16:26]
kakobrekla ;;topic [16:26]
gribble || || || [16:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 387 @ 0.00416 = 1.6099 BTC [-] [16:26]
mircea_popescu spammors the lot of ye. [16:27]
Daphna_A_Waxman_ I'm just here on a sex vacation. [16:27]
HeySteve story checks out [16:27]
mircea_popescu this is the wrong instagram. [16:27]
Daphna_A_Waxman_ The girls in this country are amazing! They will do ANYTHING [16:27]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:27]
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mircea_popescu anyway, 6/10. [16:28]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla GOT YOU :D [16:28]
Neil mircea_popescu: Yeah. Not sure if MP == MPOE, but yeah I realize most of that. I've felt it's not worth the effort (small group of people who know each other in real life has been enough so far) but I get the point, but not convinced yet. [16:28]
nubbins` HeySteve: /msg gribble help eregister is as good a place as any to stary [16:28]
nubbins` *start [16:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 269 @ 0.0041103 = 1.1057 BTC [-] {2} [16:28]
mircea_popescu Neil well whatever works, you know ? [16:29]
Neil Workage == low, it seems so far [16:29]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, the wot existed in other implementations every time small groups wanted to trade on a large scale. [16:29]
HeySteve thanks Nubbins, will do so. been meaning to check out the system for a while [16:29]
mircea_popescu basically you're telling me that you don't need a hansa seal because you only trade in novgorod [16:29]
nubbins` it's one of those things that behooves you to get straightened away sooner rather than later [16:29]
HeySteve [16:29]
ozbot Federal Eye [16:29]
nubbins` so don't wait too long ;D [16:29]
mircea_popescu good for you, but once you wish to send your kid to marry some chick in goteborg you damned straight will. [16:29]
Neil But for that reason I found it amusing you asking that waxman loser to get herself on WoT [16:29]
HeySteve SEC was fiddling while Rome burnt [16:30]
LordPutin i'm worried about sec is going to do to mp next :( [16:30]
LordPutin we need mp in the bitcoin community [16:30]
Neil bitcoin doesn't need a community or anything or anyone. That's why it rocks. [16:31]
mircea_popescu LordPutin i read somewhar on the forum that he's a dinosaur - well, at least when wearing heels - and will soon be superseded by some random forumer with opinions [16:31]
mircea_popescu so nothing to worry. [16:31]
Neil But there exists a bunch of interesting characters. That's undeniable. [16:31]
LordPutin oh i thought it was a girl [16:32]
LordPutin sounded like a girls name [16:32]
nubbins` i bet you think nikita is a girl's name, too [16:32]
mircea_popescu it is. [16:32]
mircea_popescu hruschev was a gal. [16:32]
* nubbins` cackles [16:32]
mircea_popescu full figured gal* [16:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00080828 = 36.6959 BTC [-] {3} [16:32]
Neil Eh? I work with a nikita. Convinced it's a dude. [16:33]
Neil Was I wrong? [16:33]
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nubbins` what is "wrong", anyway? [16:33]
Neil lol [16:33]
HeySteve ok nubbins, I have a GPG key, will work through this [16:33]
Shakespeare "The Apaches were never defeated because they didn't fight in the open" well... [16:33]
nubbins` great. upload it to a keyserver, /msg gribble eregister heysteve , and you're off [16:34]
nubbins` oh, and keep your keys safe ;( [16:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] [16:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00411 = 0.3946 BTC [-] [16:34]
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Shakespeare United States of Apache [16:35]
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mircea_popescu < [16:36]
ozbot Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [16:36]
mircea_popescu updated with the pdf cause apparently ppls wanted it. [16:36]
jurov so you did not hear from them since? [16:37]
nubbins` dat inconsistent capitalization [16:37]
mircea_popescu nop. [16:37]
mircea_popescu [16:37]
ozbot Federal Eye [16:37]
mircea_popescu this is extremely lulzy, especially seeing how the girl claimed (and i believe her) tyhat she can't get on freenode. [16:38]
Anduck mircea_popescu: negbombers. gettrust matters [16:38]
mircea_popescu so on one hand, they can't do their jobs. on the other, jacking off all day anyway [16:38]
LordPutin maybe shes here now [16:38]
mircea_popescu Anduck aha. [16:38]
* LordPutin hides [16:38]
Shakespeare the pdf says itself the whole thing is voluntary [16:39]
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Duffer1 "This inquiry is non-public.." [16:39]
only Erik, quick, get a Romanian passport [16:40]
asciilifeform what's it take to get one of those, anyway ? [16:40]
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only you need a Moldavian one, first, and you can actually buy one [16:41]
Shakespeare "In one instance, a regional office staff account admitted viewing pornography on his office computer and on his SEC-issued laptop while on official government travel. Another staff account received nearly 1,800 access denials for pornography Web sites in a two-week period and had more than 600 images saved on her laptop’s hard drive, the report said." [16:42]
Shakespeare kinda sounds like he was hacked or sumth [16:42]
nubbins` Shakespeare: HER [16:42]
nubbins` :o [16:42]
Shakespeare "A senior attorney at SEC headquarters in Washington admitted he sometimes spent as much as eight hours viewing pornography from his office computer, according to the report. The attorney’s computer ran out of space for the downloaded images, so he started storing them on CDs and DVDs that he stored in his office." [16:42]
Shakespeare wow [16:42]
nubbins` "nearly 1,800 access denials" [16:42]
nubbins` imagine [16:42]
nubbins` "well, the last 1,799 times i've tried to load motherless, it's been blocked... maybe today is the day" [16:43]
Shakespeare "This stunning report should make everyone question the wisdom of moving forward with plans to give regulators like the SEC even more widespread authority," Issa said [16:43]
Shakespeare man these people consume mas porn [16:44]
nubbins` mucho mas [16:44]
nubbins` (with a shout-out to pynchon) [16:45]
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LordPutin why are theyso interested in s.diceanyway, was the sale illegal? [16:45]
asciilifeform for dekulakization, most likely. [16:46]
Shakespeare well as i understand it, most SEC investigations are a reaction [16:46]
Shakespeare so likely someone filed a complain [16:46]
Shakespeare t [16:46]
LordPutin ahh ok [16:46]
LordPutin makes sense [16:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.00284602 = 0.1423 BTC [-] [16:47]
Shakespeare if i had to guess, it'd be someone who either felt gypped by his offering of the added tranches, and/or someone that felt gypped by the closing settlement [16:47]
nubbins` my mother is a gypsy, you insensitive clod [16:48]
Duffer1 or the IRS just looking for its pound of flesh [16:48]
LordPutin id sayitsthesecond one [16:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-] [16:48]
Shakespeare well at least her people stole a verb outta the deal [16:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00596183 = 0.5962 BTC [-] {4} [16:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.08001 = 0.8001 BTC [-] {2} [16:50]
Neil "Trapped in the indecision of another fine menu". Love it [16:50]
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HeySteve hey nubbins, I made a new cert and put the revoke on an encrypted volume. any idea where GPG places the cert itself in Windows? [16:51]
nubbins` you can export your private key pretty easily via command line [16:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.02125914 = 0.2126 BTC [-] {4} [16:52]
HeySteve ok but I want to place the original in the encrypted volume so no one can access it (easily) [16:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.01600027 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2} [16:53]
HeySteve or is that stored within GPG somehow and not accessible? still pretty new at this stuff [16:53]
nubbins` nod. no idea where it's stored right now, but export spits it out as plaintext [16:53]
nubbins` which you can then copy, paste into a text file on your encrypted whatever [16:53]
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only or a buthurt gambler, perhaps? [16:54]
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HeySteve I see, should probably work out if there's another copy just hanging around on the HD [16:54]
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nubbins` probably, but it's encrypted with your impossibly long, difficult to guess passphrase [16:55]
nubbins` gpg --export-secret-key -a "username" [16:55]
nubbins` try that [16:55]
nubbins` gpg --export-secret-key -a "username" --output privatekey.asc [16:56]
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HeySteve ok thanks [16:58]
nubbins` it'd be prudent to try restoring these keys on another machine, as well [16:58]
nubbins` what's the usefulness of a backup you can't restore, etc [16:59]
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Shakespeare "The Fed has been targeting a 6.5% unemployment rate as a gauge to start discussing when to raise interest rates. But several Fed officials have said they don’t find the jobless rate reference useful now that the rate, at 6.7% in February, is near the 6.5% threshold." [17:00]
Ghaleon 2Mircea <- one tuff dude! [17:01]
Ghaleon Daphne is sweatin!! [17:01]
Shakespeare [17:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 63 @ 0.00181043 = 0.1141 BTC [-] {11} [17:02]
Shakespeare Fork in 3... 2... [17:03]
Neil .d [17:03]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 977 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.4696% in 6d 1h 37m 20s [17:03]
Neil hah [17:04]
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HeySteve I can get it to display the key but not output to a file for some reason [17:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.05427484 = 1.0855 BTC [+] {6} [17:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00080973 = 16.4375 BTC [+] {2} [17:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0666 = 0.4662 BTC [-] [17:06]
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HeySteve you have to put the output switch upfront is all [17:07]
HeySteve dir [17:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.05438232 = 0.9245 BTC [+] {5} [17:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.05558566 = 0.7782 BTC [+] {12} [17:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] [17:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05685 = 0.1137 BTC [+] {2} [17:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06583333 = 0.1975 BTC [-] {3} [17:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] [17:09]
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Shakespeare yknow who needs to be jailed, the Domain Registry of America people [17:10]
Shakespeare they send snailmail to clients all the time as what appears to be a renewal bill [17:10]
Shakespeare but really it's just a trick [17:10]
Neil "The Fed has been targeting a 6.5%..." Joke? Like they think they can target anything? The world gets on witih it, they sit there observing. [17:14]
Apocalyptic ^ [17:14]
artifexd I put my gpg key id on my website. Should I link it to a plain text file of the key or to its location on a key server? [17:15]
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mircea_popescu "Another staff account received nearly 1,800 access denials for pornography Web sites in a two-week period and had more than 600 images saved on her laptop’s hard drive, the report said." << HER drive ?! [17:17]
mircea_popescu and people say women don't watch pronz. [17:17]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare this will be nice data for when people start bitching about .bait [17:18]
the20year1 any more news from teh SEC? [17:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0056706 = 0.2382 BTC [-] {3} [17:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] [17:19]
Shakespeare .bait [17:19]
ozbot [17:19]
Shakespeare ew [17:19]
Apocalyptic artifexd, you could do both [17:20]
BingoBoingo .bait [17:20]
ozbot [17:20]
mircea_popescu Ghaleon ello. [17:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299999 = 0.146 BTC [+] [17:20]
Apocalyptic artifexd, but I would rather go for the plain text file I think [17:21]
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mircea_popescu "The new behavior of `walletpassphrase` is to set a new unlock time overriding [17:21]
mircea_popescu the old one:" [17:21]
mircea_popescu this is so fucking stupid. [17:22]
mircea_popescu who did that! [17:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42595 @ 0.00081027 = 34.5135 BTC [+] [17:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] [17:22]
artifexd Apocalyptic Thank you for your opinion. [17:22]
Ghaleon Hi Mircea [17:23]
Ghaleon you kicked serious ass brother [17:23]
Ghaleon the writing was also excellent [17:23]
Ghaleon Ms. Waxman was shocked I am sure [17:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0551034 = 0.1653 BTC [+] {3} [17:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3} [17:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] {3} [17:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00081344 = 14.8046 BTC [+] [17:23]
Ghaleon telling a Sec investigator to find you on IRC..... that will go down in history [17:23]
mircea_popescu cheers. [17:23]
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mircea_popescu i tell that to everyone, what. people gotta get with the times. [17:24]
Ghaleon imagine Ben Bernanke pops up here [17:24]
Ghaleon lol [17:24]
kakobrekla he will get banned [17:24]
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mod6 lol [17:24]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla whai [17:24]
kakobrekla spamming usd [17:24]
kakobrekla fuck dat [17:24]
Ghaleon lolz [17:24]
mircea_popescu first pankkake stoled his coin, nao you ban him ? [17:24]
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kakobrekla no spam policy is strict [17:25]
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Ghaleon without Spamming Ben will fade away... the boy must spam to sustain himself [17:26]
nubbins` $vwap [17:26]
mpexbot nubbins`: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.00010003 high: 0.000101 low: 0.00010001 volume: 6000 btc: 0.6001788 7 day: average: 0.00010003 high: 0.000101 low: 0.00010001 volume: 6000 btc: 0.6001788 30 day: average: 0.0001239 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 11432 btc: 1.4163868 [17:26]
kakobrekla anyway [17:27]
JessicaS hi [17:27]
kakobrekla ben is out of the picture [17:27]
nubbins` wow, 6k btc volume today [17:27]
kakobrekla he is irrelevant [17:27]
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Ghaleon yeah but Ben still has the US NAVY in his pocket [17:27]
Shakespeare [17:28]
ozbot Bitcoins are like 'glass beads', warns Danish national bank | Technology | [17:28]
kakobrekla so discussion about baning him is fruitless [17:28]
Ghaleon it is a battle of inches folks. we are making awesome ground. a peoples currency will remove their main pillar of control [17:28]
BingoBoingo O.o Interesting bet [17:28]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla what if he comes here for his retirement [17:28]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you made that ? [17:29]
kakobrekla what if we dont play what if! [17:29]
Shakespeare lol [17:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course [17:29]
mircea_popescu i guess ima put a little on no, hedge this properly. [17:30]
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BingoBoingo Wonder if it will turn into a 1000 BTC+ nailbiter near the end [17:31]
Shakespeare "UK's new 12-sided £1 said to be the world's most secure coin" [17:32]
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Shakespeare more sides = more security [17:32]
Apocalyptic many sides, such secure [17:32]
Apocalyptic seriously [17:32]
kakobrekla 12 sided coin? [17:33]
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kakobrekla you mean its not round? [17:33]
Shakespeare well it's low-resolution round [17:33]
Shakespeare 12bit gfx [17:33]
HeySteve ;;gpg info HeySteve [17:33]
gribble User 'HeySteve', with keyid F8E87076CA58441F, fingerprint B14929A9933420C966FB409EF8E87076CA58441F, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Mar 19 11:30:37 2014. . Currently authenticated from hostmask HeySteve!HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve . [17:33]
kakobrekla how does that make for security [17:33]
mircea_popescu low resolution round hahaha [17:33]
kakobrekla i thought the great invetion was the wheel [17:34]
mircea_popescu anywyaq, they had those before, the half quid iirc [17:34]
kakobrekla not the square [17:34]
kakobrekla or the box [17:34]
kakobrekla or whatever [17:34]
kakobrekla rectangle [17:34]
Shakespeare Reverend Jesse Jackson calls out Silicon Valley for lack of racial and gender diversity [17:35]
Shakespeare sigh [17:35]
kakobrekla you only have 4 genders there? UNACEPTABRU [17:35]
Shakespeare must import katecraig to reach homeostasis [17:36]
LordPutin [17:36]
ozbot Putin: Crimea similar to Kosovo, West is rewriting its own rule book (FULL SPEECH) - YouTube [17:36]
mircea_popescu homeostahahahaha [17:36]
LordPutin so true [17:36]
Shakespeare :) [17:36]
mircea_popescu LordPutin his mistake is to call it "the west" [17:36]
mircea_popescu he should simply speak of the us, drive the eu wedge all the way. [17:36]
LordPutin great speech [17:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06649992 = 0.1995 BTC [+] {3} [17:36]
LordPutin good point mircea [17:37]
mircea_popescu already the traitorous bunch (italy, france, etc) [17:37]
mircea_popescu are looking for an exit of ignorance [17:37]
mircea_popescu ("i didn't cheat on you honey, the us forced me me!!1 I was duped, and raped!! ") [17:37]
LordPutin Putin should just be the president of europe [17:37]
HeySteve ;;gettrust HeySteve [17:37]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask HeySteve!HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve. Trust relationship from user HeySteve to user HeySteve: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [17:37]
nubbins` does bitbet explicitly state that it uses UTC, or should a bet itself make note of this? [17:38]
LordPutin 20mins in he starts talkign about the us [17:38]
LordPutin andhe's spot on [17:38]
mircea_popescu gmt, in faq [17:39]
Ghaleon Putin = THE MAN [17:39]
nubbins` ok [17:39]
Shakespeare [17:39]
Ghaleon Mircea, good point about driving a wedge between ruope and the usa [17:39]
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Ghaleon Europe sees how cool and fair Putin is... people r getting sick of the usa's meddling and hypocrisy [17:39]
LordPutin i'm going to name my kid putin because i want him to grow up strong and handsome [17:39]
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LordPutin very true ghaleon [17:40]
mircea_popescu Ghaleon no, more like europe doesn't give a shit and needs the gas. [17:40]
mircea_popescu "man faces a felony charge after he was arrested by police at a township board meeting when he refused to stop talking past a three-minute time limit for public comment. " [17:40]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ^ [17:40]
nubbins` wow [17:40]
BingoBoingo Lol [17:40]
mircea_popescu i guess asciilifeform ^ too [17:40]
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nubbins` man can no longer vote after speaking for 181 seconds [17:40]
mircea_popescu the soviets never did this, even. [17:40]
BingoBoingo Wasn't me this time [17:40]
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BingoBoingo Allegedly [17:41]
BingoBoingo Eh, I voted yesterday anyways [17:41]
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Ghaleon we are going thru our Boleshevik revolution now here in the usa [17:42]
thestringpuller ;;ud you heard? [17:42]
gribble | A subsitute for 'y'know, often heard in jails or prison uttered by uneducated inmates during conversation between cells. Can be used to validate th... [17:42]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: you heard [17:42]
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LordPutin .putinbait [17:42]
LordPutin [17:42]
nubbins` "For this bet to resolve as YES, 30-day VWAP of S.MG must be above 0.0002 on MPEx on October 1, 2014." << thoughts? seem simple enough? [17:42]
Shakespeare [17:43]
mircea_popescu on mpex is spurious [17:43]
mike_c_z you specifically want "on"? not "on or before"? [17:43]
nubbins` don't want some schmo arguing about havelock PT [17:43]
mircea_popescu "This is shocking, because nobody in the world has ever seen a penis before. Life as we know it will never be the same." [17:44]
BingoBoingo ;; ud poopsterbate [17:44]
gribble | Apr 30, 2005 ... I heard Mark poopsterbating on the toilet last night. Andy enjoys to poopsterbate. "Want to watch me poosterbate?" Stephen asked. by ShawnB ... [17:44]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: poopsterbate [17:44]
mircea_popescu especially those two broads. [17:44]
Shakespeare they were only prparing [17:44]
Shakespeare not surprised [17:44]
Shakespeare open wide! [17:44]
nubbins` mike_c_z: specifically on october 1, yep [17:44]
mircea_popescu kik [17:44]
nubbins` i don't want to have to be constantly checking it [17:44]
mircea_popescu ;;estimate [17:45]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 4616703922.4 based on data for last three days [17:45]
mircea_popescu uh [17:45]
mircea_popescu ;;diff [17:45]
gribble 4.2502179198695354E9 [17:45]
Apocalyptic .d [17:46]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 975 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.0906% in 6d 2h 4m 7s [17:46]
mircea_popescu nuts. [17:47]
Shakespeare Auto dealers fire back at Tesla CEO: 'This Musk guy, he wants all the profits for himself' [17:47]
Shakespeare ... [17:47]
mircea_popescu "for his own car" [17:47]
BingoBoingo Putin might have some competition [17:48]
Shakespeare "They wanted to go direct, which means no sales force. That’s cutting out a lot of people. No way that’s gonna fly." [17:48]
Shakespeare i just dont get it [17:48]
mircea_popescu it's new york. [17:49]
mircea_popescu this is what they do. [17:49]
mike_c_z "During negotiations Musk left the auto dealers waiting for two hours while he checked with his manager" [17:49]
mircea_popescu they figure they're worth something on the grounds they exist. [17:49]
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Shakespeare makes me want a Tesla, really [17:50]
Shakespeare i dont drive enough to care though [17:50]
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sheldonthomas hi. are havelock investment questions relevant in this channel [17:51]
nubbins` sure [17:52]
sheldonthomas in the neobee prospectus it says "LMB Holdings, nor any employee, affiliate, or consultant are liable for any losses caused by default, theft, exploitation, manipulation, “hacking”, or software errors within the host exchange." [17:52]
jurov only havelock staff is not here [17:52]
sheldonthomas shouldn't that be are _not_ liable [17:52]
sheldonthomas i see [17:53]
sheldonthomas well [17:53]
nubbins` heh [17:53]
nubbins` yep, that's poor wording [17:53]
sheldonthomas there's a typo in the prospectus [17:53]
sheldonthomas ok [17:53]
sheldonthomas just checking, thanks [17:53]
nubbins` guess they forgot the "Neither" [17:53]
jurov sheldonthomas you plan to exploit it? [17:53]
nubbins` proofreading is important [17:53]
nubbins` too bad nobody bothers [17:53]
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mike_c ;;seen topace [17:54]
gribble topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 28 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: ^ you'll have to contact support [17:54]
sheldonthomas no exploit -- but i must admit, that's a surefire way to turn off a prospective investor [17:54]
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jurov mike_c: topace isn't the staff for several months already [17:55]
kakobrekla i thought it would turn you on [17:55]
kakobrekla whut [17:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10805 @ 0.00081333 = 8.788 BTC [-] [17:55]
mike_c well, he's still staff. just not owner. [17:55]
kakobrekla topace is not hl anymo? [17:55]
mircea_popescu sheldonthomas they're experts with actual lawyers and everything, not some random clueless kids without an education [17:55]
mircea_popescu as a result their contracts say exactly what they mean : LMB is responsible for any havelock theft etc [17:55]
Apocalyptic kako, allegedly [17:55]
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mircea_popescu both as an entity as well as all its principals etc. [17:55]
mircea_popescu nubbins` there's no sauch thing as poor wording in a contracxt. [17:56]
mircea_popescu what it says is what is. [17:56]
jurov kakobrekla even if he still is, he defers everything to panamanians [17:56]
kakobrekla but a kiss is not a contract [17:56]
sheldonthomas at mircea that's very enlightening thanks for the clarification [17:56]
kakobrekla i mean prospectus, not kiss. [17:56]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla he claims he's no longer involved, quite transparently fraudulently. [17:56]
kakobrekla where did he claim that [17:56]
Apocalyptic here [17:56]
mike_c he claims he is technical side only [17:56]
mircea_popescu it's in this log actually. [17:56]
kakobrekla fuckin noobs not reading the log, i hate those [17:57]
mircea_popescu ikr? [17:57]
mircea_popescu some people got a dayjob, yo! [17:57]
mircea_popescu can't hang out here all day watching KRS-1's pron [17:57]
kakobrekla hehe [17:57]
topace hi [17:57]
sheldonthomas mircea_popescu but upon further thought the sentence still doesn't make sense because of "nor" in the context of making an action-positive statement [17:58]
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mircea_popescu so they added a spurious n. typo. [17:58]
topace i am indeed no longer involved with the BUSINESS side of havelock [17:58]
kakobrekla topace is there an official statement re you and hl [17:58]
topace but i am still involved in the technical side [17:58]
topace since many months [17:58]
Shakespeare the wording has been updated for clarification [17:58]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare one can "update" contracts nao ?! [17:58]
mircea_popescu what is this, like gigavps ? [17:58]
kakobrekla Shakespeare you are with neobee? [17:59]
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sheldonthomas it needs the word "Neither" at the beginning or to not use the word "nor" at all [17:59]
kakobrekla a prospectus is not a contract ? [17:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.34873140 BTC to 3`970 shares, 59162 satoshi per share [17:59]
topace November 1, 2013 officially the operation of havelock was handed off to the panama fund s.a. [17:59]
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ThickAsThieves nor has been removed [17:59]
jurov topace, can't you make them man the irc? so that they aren't so outrageously clueless? [17:59]
mircea_popescu jurov empty virtual offices can not man irc. [17:59]
nubbins` "19-03-2014 Pending Mark Karpeles, Mt. Gox CEO, to be Murdered or Imprisoned" [18:00]
nubbins` well that reads like a badbet [18:00]
kakobrekla its a pass the bomb kinda thing, nefario and ukyo failed on that [18:00]
LordPutin lol approve plz [18:01]
jurov mircea in the process of coiroll listing, we are interacting with some virtual entities that seem too stupid to be completely virtual [18:01]
kakobrekla btctc tried since get go [18:01]
asciilifeform gasenwagenbait. [18:01]
kakobrekla nobody took a bite [18:01]
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mircea_popescu jurov lmao i see [18:01]
topace no, i cant make them "man the irc" [18:01]
mircea_popescu or exist, for that matter. [18:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.99112370 BTC to 13`595 shares, 14646 satoshi per share [18:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299999 = 0.146 BTC [+] [18:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0542 = 0.542 BTC [-] {4} [18:02]
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topace the offices are real, feel free to visit them in panama, several community members already have [18:02]
mircea_popescu or, in the immortal words of costanza, [18:02]
mircea_popescu GEORGE: Or we don't even send the check and then when they call, we pretend we're the cleaning service. Heh heh. "Hello? I sorry, no here Kruger." [18:02]
kakobrekla theres a po box and everything [18:02]
jcpham confirmed legit [18:03]
jcpham google map'd it bro [18:03]
kakobrekla i was there, saw him do it [18:03]
LordPutin please allow that Mark Karpelas bet to happen [18:04]
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kakobrekla i dun think it fits the rules [18:05]
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nubbins` ^ [18:07]
nubbins` putting out a murder-for-hire does indeed break the rules [18:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05559995 = 0.1112 BTC [+] {2} [18:07]
LordPutin or imprisoned [18:08]
asciilifeform imprisonment-for-hire ? [18:09]
mircea_popescu lol [18:09]
jcpham i already dialed 911 and reported the chat [18:09]
jcpham everyone stay calm [18:09]
mircea_popescu there's exactly 0 way he can end up in jail this year. [18:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00449839 = 0.2249 BTC [-] {4} [18:09]
mircea_popescu this will be argued in court for a while [18:09]
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kakobrekla i would have thrown myself outta window [18:10]
kakobrekla in his shoes [18:10]
kakobrekla prolly even before starting gox [18:10]
asciilifeform speaking of which, [18:10]
asciilifeform [18:10]
ozbot 28-Year Old Former JPMorgan Banker Jumps To His Death, Latest In Series Of Recent Suicides | Zero He [18:10]
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asciilifeform 'street pizza.' [18:10]
kakobrekla cool [18:11]
LordPutin i would like to see a bitbet that australia wontwin a single group match for the world cup this year [18:11]
LordPutin not sure how to word it tho [18:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05435 = 0.1087 BTC [-] {2} [18:11]
jurov don't forget to include which sport it is [18:11]
nubbins` streetza [18:11]
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only asciilifeform: isn't 28 a bit kindof early? [18:13]
mircea_popescu $vwap X.IDIFF.MAR [18:13]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: X.IDIFF.MAR 1 day: no data 7 day: no data 30 day: average: 0.00294764 high: 0.003 low: 0.00290837 volume: 350 btc: 1.031674 [18:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] [18:13]
nubbins` zerohedge sure does know how to make a comment thread easy to read [18:13]
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nubbins` i find i digest information most easily when it's crammed into a fuckin one-inch column [18:14]
jurov mircea_popescu: you already liquidating it? just got something [18:14]
mircea_popescu jurov yup preparing announcement [18:14]
mircea_popescu nubbins` word. [18:14]
mircea_popescu goes in and out of ass easier that way [18:15]
nubbins` heh. [18:15]
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nubbins` "reader comments: now easier than ever to pass" [18:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06729989 = 0.3365 BTC [+] {4} [18:15]
ThickAsThieves [18:16]
ozbot The hunter becomes the hunted: insect evolves to eat poisonous corn | The Verge [18:16]
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ThickAsThieves a friend of mine actually is one of the scientists working on these kind bug killers [18:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74537 @ 0.00080863 = 60.2729 BTC [-] {3} [18:16]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: you ever get your mp-as-hitler portrait sorted after? [18:17]
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mircea_popescu haven't received it yet. [18:17]
mircea_popescu end of month was deadline iirc ? [18:17]
nubbins` can't recall [18:17]
nubbins` thestringpuller was commissioning a portrait of you for the conference, but he sat on his hands too long and it won't be ready [18:17]
nubbins` shame, it was gonna be pretty sick [18:17]
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nubbins` mp as napoleon ;0 [18:17]
mircea_popescu afaik he's not actuallyt comin so prolly why [18:18]
nubbins` there's sketches somewhere [18:18]
nubbins` was gonna be a cross between the picture of you squinting in the desert and this: [18:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06981818 = 0.768 BTC [-] {4} [18:21]
mircea_popescu [18:21]
ozbot X.IDIFF.MAR has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:21]
kakobrekla oh wow. [18:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` not exactly a novel idea [18:23]
nubbins` HEH. [18:23]
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ThickAsThieves "I see myself forced to conclude the contract is not well understood by market participants, which is a problem that will have to be addressed." [18:24]
kakobrekla faggot pants [18:24]
ThickAsThieves you could always improve the design [18:24]
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jurov ^ yes, i'm very curious how circumspectly is mp gonna fix it [18:24]
ThickAsThieves obv jurov and i have beat this horse enough though [18:24]
jurov *haven't [18:25]
kakobrekla ThickAsThieves you mean the css? [18:25]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the design ?! of the contract ? [18:25]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu make it bold [18:25]
kakobrekla and italics [18:25]
ThickAsThieves yeah surely that's what i meant [18:25]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i thought we could just show up in romania on the 17th and just listen to what people had to say [18:25]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla my faggot pants are more css than yours :D [18:25]
ThickAsThieves i mean the design of the instrument [18:25]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: there was no official registration except for VIP's [18:25]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller mebbe, on some days. [18:26]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves specifically ? [18:26]
jurov mircea you refused several times to publish the cumulative cover [18:26]
jurov so that it would be clear to everyone how much it is [18:26]
jurov that's all [18:26]
ThickAsThieves well i havent thought much on recently, but you could publish what it actually is [18:27]
ThickAsThieves or, not cap it [18:27]
mircea_popescu but it was clear to everyone that 2.9x times previous cover would be a top limit i would imagine [18:27]
mike_c the contract was understood by whoever sold contracts above the limit :) [18:27]
ThickAsThieves you imagined wrong, you said as much already [18:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so i don't cap it. you come to make a contract, have to deposit infinity btc. [18:27]
thestringpuller nubbins`: we can still go further with it how bout I send you more btc rite nao? [18:27]
jurov or 2.9*2.9*previous, or whatever [18:27]
mike_c so probably half the participants understood [18:27]
midnightmagic mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_ [18:27]
midnightmagic mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_ [18:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c well sure. [18:27]
ThickAsThieves is this different that not capping options? [18:28]
ThickAsThieves than* [18:28]
mircea_popescu yes. [18:28]
mircea_popescu options are settled in btc. this is not settled in hashes. [18:28]
mircea_popescu if there existed a way to physically deliver we wouldn't have this problem at all. [18:28]
mircea_popescu but there's no way to meter hash. [18:28]
ThickAsThieves hashes represent the USD rate [18:28]
ThickAsThieves not the settlement [18:28]
ThickAsThieves in my comparison [18:28]
mircea_popescu you'll have to formalise that. [18:29]
mircea_popescu x.idiff is hash->btc ; o.usd is usd->btc [18:29]
nubbins` thestringpuller: sure, whatever works for you [18:29]
thestringpuller how would physical delivery keep you from having to deliver infinite usd? [18:29]
B0g4r7_ benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz BingoBoingo bit14 blackwhite bloctoc bounce Bunnyh bwq [18:29]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller because you could sell 1trn hashes per contract or somesuch. [18:29]
kakobrekla but infinite usd is not impossible [18:29]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:29]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla it is nao, since you booted bernanke [18:30]
mike_c i don't see the problem. 350 contracts sold over the last 30 days by someone who didn't understand. so they lost .1 btc and now they understand. [18:30]
kakobrekla cant be booted if one doesnt join in the first place [18:30]
mike_c everyone else understood, and didn't trade. [18:30]
thestringpuller infinity is not finite, it's unreachable someone might as well physically deliver you a printer [18:30]
ThickAsThieves the "problem" is not a problem in that sense [18:30]
thestringpuller or a fed print shop [18:30]
BingoBoingo Maybe being Satoshi was Bernake's way of hating his day job [18:30]
ThickAsThieves it is more an issue of optimizing the product [18:30]
ThickAsThieves to increase usage [18:30]
mircea_popescu mike_c i guess so. was it actually one party doing it ? [18:31]
ThickAsThieves assuming the goal is for action to occur on mpex [18:31]
mike_c there were only a few bids up above the cap. the seller was likely probably one person :) [18:31]
ThickAsThieves there's certainly more market to be had [18:31]
ThickAsThieves look at bitbets [18:32]
ThickAsThieves and these deprived schemes [18:32]
ThickAsThieves B.SELL etc [18:32]
mircea_popescu surely. [18:32]
ThickAsThieves so you can cling to the current design and blame the user [18:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo [18:33]
ThickAsThieves or you can accept that you do have power over the design [18:33]
ThickAsThieves and seize teh day [18:33]
mircea_popescu power over the design i have, but over reality i do not. [18:33]
ThickAsThieves so allow ability for writer to publisj the cap [18:34]
ThickAsThieves jurov solved this issue long ago [18:34]
mike_c so the suggestion is contracts with different caps? [18:34]
ThickAsThieves you could even have multiple listings, like options [18:34]
ThickAsThieves all with different caps [18:34]
mircea_popescu derp. [18:34]
mircea_popescu contracts with different caps are different contracts. [18:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I imagine that could be one of the happiest Bitcoins you could ever part with [18:34]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you guessed it sister :D [18:35]
benkay a man once spoke to me about explicit collateralization of options. [18:35]
benkay i informed him it'd make for a downright wacky marketplace. [18:35]
benkay on the topic of non-sentient-beings: [18:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I know the benkay and bitcoinpete readings of the emails are that the SEC will crash into you. I like to think that decoding your last email has been assigned to a few committees and all of the summer interns [18:36]
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ThickAsThieves i wonder how badly they even want to bother with sorting you out [18:38]
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benkay if he straight up ignored the girl she'd probably go bonkers [18:39]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well if they are reading the logs, I would be happy to sort them out with the GPG and registering with the WoT [18:39]
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midnightmagic mircea_popescu: that's hilarious. :-) Thank you for sharing with us your SEC interaction; I hope you continue to do so. For what it's worth, I am being sincere. [18:42]
benkay [18:43]
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mike_c ;;calc e ** (log(2.9)/6) [18:43]
gribble 1.19417048496 [18:43]
mike_c if difficulty increases stay this low, cap won't be a problem [18:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00080665 = 19.8436 BTC [-] {2} [18:45]
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nubbins` [18:51]
ozbot Britain reveals new 12-sided pound coin - Business - CBC News [18:51]
nubbins` harsh portrait [18:51]
mike_c !t h mine [18:51]
assbot You had the last Philistine. This one's mine. [18:51]
mike_c !t h b.mine [18:52]
BingoBoingo [18:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.05250001 / 0.0542931 / 0.05710000 (152 shares, 8.25255158 BTC), 7D: 0.03960000 / 0.04840514 / 0.06902300 (1585 shares, 76.72214039 BTC), 30D: 0.03960000 / 0.05003398 / 0.06902300 (6430 shares, 321.71848642 BTC) [18:52]
midnightmagic mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_ [18:52]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic cheers [18:52]
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kakobrekla cog thread is more fun [18:54]
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kakobrekla fuckin gold with cherry on top [18:54]
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BingoBoingo Cog is a little special [18:55]
kakobrekla so this ltc pump is driven by knc making scrypt asic [18:57]
kakobrekla or am i missing something [18:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05499998 = 0.33 BTC [+] {3} [18:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06610004 = 0.1322 BTC [-] [18:57]
BingoBoingo Hard to tell, last night someone blamed the LTC rally on China [18:57]
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asciilifeform possible that ltc market has become 'lightweight' enough to simply 'throw' [18:58]
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asciilifeform or whatever the technical term for this is. [18:58]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo china is this beloved myth [19:06]
mircea_popescu like you know, messianic [19:06]
BingoBoingo Well, for most people most things are either myth or magic [19:06]
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BingoBoingo One can spend all day imagine brains with an MRI tube without having the slightest idea about what Magnetic Resonance is. [19:08]
mircea_popescu "I don't get it. Why do you insist on making everyone think MPOE-PR is not MP? Why deceive your customers with something so trivial to figure out? [19:08]
mircea_popescu That's just weird." [19:08]
mircea_popescu win. [19:08]
ThickAsThieves best evidence i have is "last I heard from a chinese parent in my kids chinese class (which was maybe a few months back) in that in China EVERYONE was into litecoin." [19:08]
mircea_popescu i should take a bet for when this mpoe-pr = mp thing finally dies. [19:08]
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BCB ballsy [19:09]
BingoBoingo [19:09]
ThickAsThieves 'New Slang For Unconfirmed Transactions? Dorians' [19:09]
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sheldonthomas ThickAsThieves awesome [19:10]
nubbins` heh [19:10]
nubbins` man i've got this fuckin dorian stuck for days now [19:10]
BingoBoingo Shit might be useful if people announced things were happening today on a timeline with greater advanced notice than a single day [19:10]
BCB who runs this channel [19:10]
nubbins` gribble ;p [19:10]
ThickAsThieves the community [19:10]
BCB what's MP's handel [19:11]
BCB nick [19:11]
nubbins` guess [19:11]
mircea_popescu guess [19:11]
mircea_popescu damnit [19:11]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:11]
BCB mircea_popescu: ballsy [19:11]
nubbins` you owe be a beer [19:11]
BingoBoingo BCB: Generally kakobrekla runs the channel MP's handle is... [19:11]
nubbins` *me [19:11]
mircea_popescu my handle is a bar moustache [19:11]
BCB mircea_popescu: you command of the english language is impressive [19:11]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves haha splendid. [19:12]
ThickAsThieves "Today, however, founder Tim Sweeney is announcing a new business model: Epic will charge just $19 a month, and 5 percent of a game developer's gross revenue, for access to the complete Unreal Engine set of tools and even its source code." [19:12]
mircea_popescu BCB As the wolly-haired Melanasians of Papua, New Guinea once said, (Makes a series of clicking and popping sounds) [19:12]
nubbins` [19:12]
ozbot BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2015 [19:12]
nubbins` does it usually take a while for initial bets to appear? [19:12]
ThickAsThieves yeah sometimes [19:13]
nubbins` i sent one along immediately after submitting the bet [19:13]
nubbins` ah, k [19:13]
nubbins` maybe waiting for confirms [19:13]
benkay (re: "who runs this": [19:13]
mircea_popescu yeah a block or so. [19:13]
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nubbins` right-o [19:14]
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nubbins` figured i'd sweeten the pot a bit [19:15]
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BingoBoingo I still can't believe Illinois did not invite me to their hearing on Virtual currencies as an honored distinguished guest, and that news of it happening didn't even reach me until it is two hours too late to start driving and make it on time. [19:16]
benkay (specifically [19:17]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo clearly they're stonewalling you [19:21]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Clearly. [19:21]
nubbins` [14:50:31] can anyone point me to a modern way to sign contracts? real-life contracts with crypto? [19:22]
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nubbins` surely there's an article written on this, anyone got a title handy?? [19:22]
mircea_popescu didn't bingo write something about that ? [19:22]
BingoBoingo Eh, Maybe I'll find out about Missouri's version of this thing in time. Jefferson city is a more pleasant drive than Springfield anyways [19:22]
BingoBoingo ;;google the drinking record GPG [19:22]
gribble PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: ; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: ; Contact and Credentials | Bingo Blog: [19:22]
mircea_popescu nubbins` but otherwise you can just you know... show him a mpex contract [19:22]
asciilifeform depends on what you mean by 'real life contracts' [19:23]
mircea_popescu three years later they're still the standard in practice [19:23]
BingoBoingo ;;google the drinking record digital signatures [19:23]
gribble Chapter 1B-26.003, Florida Administrative Code - Statutes, Rules ...: ; ELECTRONIC RECORDS; ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES - Legal ...: ; electronic signature « Adobe EchoSign - Adobe Blogs: [19:23]
asciilifeform if your local princeling believes pgp to be the work of satan [19:23]
asciilifeform then you're stuck with strictly reputation-based contract [19:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's the princeling to do with it ? [19:23]
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asciilifeform in our applications, nothing at all [19:24]
mircea_popescu you can trivially print out gpg signed contracts, sign on the paper, and register them [19:24]
mircea_popescu gpg is backwards-compatible with all legal systems. [19:24]
asciilifeform sure, but in the 'microscope is backwards-compatible with hammer' sense. [19:24]
mircea_popescu not necessarily, it'd depend. [19:24]
mircea_popescu certainly ample space for that, sure. [19:24]
asciilifeform i vaguely recall that pgp 'counts' in the usa [19:25]
asciilifeform but, IANAL, and not sure how settled the case law is. [19:25]
mircea_popescu for what it's worth the opinions i have re likely romanian court reaction would be that should a signature be repudiated you have about 2:3 chances to get the judge to process the pgp part of the text. [19:27]
asciilifeform 'Shall Be Delivered' (TM) has not yet played out in life, huh [19:27]
mircea_popescu not here anyway. [19:27]
mircea_popescu actual signature repudiations are rare irl [19:28]
mircea_popescu most cases are testamentary contestations [19:28]
mircea_popescu in which case the judge'd definitely see through the pgp. [19:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2784 @ 0.00014332 = 0.399 BTC [-] {4} [19:28]
asciilifeform arguably any case involving stolen btc could, theoretically, bake crypto-signature precedent [19:29]
asciilifeform ('he signed it, so he's a you. now gladiators.') [19:30]
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mircea_popescu very theoretically. [19:30]
mircea_popescu btc will pose some very srious problems to legal systems based on caselaw, perhaps enough so to make them unworkable in practice [19:31]
mircea_popescu this, however, is a head of the hydra burried for another two decades. [19:31]
asciilifeform meatspace courts are supposed to operate on principle of 'least astonishment' (someone cough up the right term plz) ? [19:31]
asciilifeform i think it was 'stare decisis' [19:31]
asciilifeform (sp?) [19:31]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Generally. [19:32]
novusordo until recently, I'd never visited on a windows machine [19:32]
novusordo yesterday I did, and was quite disappointed [19:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah it's valid [19:33]
novusordo comic sans blog title. [19:33]
asciilifeform people don't seem to grasp the fact that the situation in 'shall be delivered' is as inevitable as that first street drunk who electrocuted himself in the 1870s (?) [19:33]
asciilifeform i recall reading that it caused great public wankage at the time [19:34]
mircea_popescu novusordo [19:34]
asciilifeform 'oh noez, wires of death' [19:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But it took so much more electricity to electricute the first street drunk verus than the first idiot [19:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ? [19:34]
novusordo mircea_popescu: yeah, I looked at the CSS because I thought it was a fall-back font [19:35]
novusordo nope [19:35]
mircea_popescu nope. if you have comic it'll show you you have comic [19:35]
mircea_popescu because apparently you like comic [19:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Ethanol is a crude anti-convulsant and is rather neuroprotective against these things. [19:35]
mircea_popescu who am i to argue. [19:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.053601 = 0.3216 BTC [-] {4} [19:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.067 = 0.402 BTC [+] {3} [19:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {3} [19:35]
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BingoBoingo Then again the street drunk would need to be drunk to enjoy this protection [19:36]
BingoBoingo electrocuting someone in the throes of Delirium tremens wouldn't be sporting at all [19:36]
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mircea_popescu carsam type in the lower box to talk [19:43]
nubbins` they should really note that somewhere on the page [19:46]
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jcpham sexy hostmask [19:46]
jcpham carsam is sexy [19:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00081096 = 12.2049 BTC [-] [19:47]
jcpham except for webchat [19:47]
jcpham that's icky [19:47]
nubbins` [19:48]
nubbins` there we go [19:48]
benkay carsam - lurking or confused? ;) [19:48]
ozbot BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2015 [19:48]
nubbins` hm, "house bet"? [19:49]
mircea_popescu kako broke bitbet. [19:49]
nubbins` bonus for me [19:50]
nubbins` (maybe) [19:50]
BCB mircea_popescu: I want to meet you when you come to New York. [19:50]
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BingoBoingo nubbins`: Still prefer [19:50]
nubbins` house bet there too [19:51]
mircea_popescu bcb that may take a while. [19:51]
nubbins` free moniez [19:51]
BCB mircea_popescu: why's that? [19:51]
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nubbins` uh, wait now [19:52]
asciilifeform BCB: would you personally travel to a place where there's a cork-lined cellar waiting for you? [19:52]
nubbins` that's actually not the bet i submitted [19:52]
nubbins` i said 2014 [19:53]
nubbins` bet says 2015 [19:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Is the cellar a wine cellar? [19:53]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nope, the other kind. [19:53]
nubbins` the fuck? [19:53]
BCB asciilifeform: cork-lined - they are actually cement [19:53]
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asciilifeform 'endless war and endless underfeeding for the sake of war, slave populations toiling behind barbed wire, women dragged shrieking to the block, cork-lined cellars where the executioner blows your brains out from behind. So it appears that amputation of the soul isn't just a simple surgical job, like having your appendix out. The wound has a tendency to go septic.' (orwell's 'notes on the way') [19:54]
kakobrekla nubbins` it seems bet was altered by the mods [19:54]
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nubbins` but i don't want that bet [19:54]
kakobrekla ha, who broke it now! [19:54]
kakobrekla but in all seriousness, ring mp [19:55]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: vs -- year changed from 2014 to 2015, what gives! [19:55]
BCB mircea_popescu: SEC will fly you on their private jet [19:56]
mircea_popescu nubbins` uh [19:56]
asciilifeform 'latvia airlines' ? (or was it poland?) [19:56]
mircea_popescu BCB well cause i don't intend to visit the us till they dissolve the homeland security crap and put the people responsible on trial. [19:57]
BCB mircea_popescu: I don't think you'll have a choice in the matter. [19:57]
Duffer1 lmao reminds me of some of the reddit comments about the trilema article [19:58]
asciilifeform the trial is about as likely as mr. putin personally hand-feeding preet bharara to bear [19:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sucks for the us. [19:58]
BCB asciilifeform: they don't need a trial. Just and indictment [19:58]
asciilifeform (we don't even know if he leases the bear, or keeps it on retainer, or it lives in his bed) [19:59]
mircea_popescu BCB well so then how would we meed in this counterfactual future you propose ? [19:59]
nubbins` do mods often change bet conditions after money has been sent in? [19:59]
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nubbins` or am i just lucky :D [19:59]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no. [19:59]
mircea_popescu you're just lucky. [19:59]
BCB mircea_popescu: I'd be standing in the crowd during your perp walk [19:59]
Duffer1 more americans thoroughly unaware of their complete irrelevance [19:59]
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mircea_popescu that works. [20:00]
chetty oct 2015 - thats more than 1 year ... [20:01]
BCB mircea_popescu: I'll have a pink carnation in my lapel [20:01]
mircea_popescu i;kk be sure to look [20:01]
kakobrekla i didnt know we support bets that long lel [20:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00598635 = 0.7184 BTC [+] {2} [20:02]
nubbins` sorry guise D; [20:02]
Duffer1 what have you done? [20:02]
mircea_popescu RUINED [20:03]
nubbins` created a time paradox [20:03]
nubbins` i just asked google what time it is and it says "yesternow" [20:03]
nubbins` i thought that was just the name of a miles davis song D: [20:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30121 @ 0.00081495 = 24.5471 BTC [+] [20:04]
artifexd Is it irony that #netsec was hacked? [20:05]
mircea_popescu it was ? [20:05]
artifexd Try and join it [20:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` fixt. [20:06]
BingoBoingo I thought that was related to [20:06]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: tyvm! [20:06]
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nubbins` "I heard that Leah McGrath Goodman is writing an article that proves that "Mircea Popescu" is in fact Erik Voorhees." [20:11]
nubbins` heh. [20:11]
nubbins` are there any other OOP rags looking to make a comeback? [20:11]
jborkl mircea does not look good in red [20:11]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Sauce? [20:11]
nubbins` [20:12]
ozbot AbsoluteZero2 comments on MP was approached by the SEC about Bitcoin exchanges; handled it very prof [20:12]
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BingoBoingo Lol [20:14]
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dexX7 someone here from add the option to add a file hash/signature or whatever [20:20]
dexX7 wow.. some people can turn everything into fud: "If you have ownership of BTC-denominated securities such as those traded on Havelock or MPEx (such as NEOBEE, S.DICE, S.MPOE, etc.) now would be a good time to talk to a lawyer." [20:22]
kakobrekla im good, bbet isnt mentioned [20:22]
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asciilifeform i'm already signed up to be gassed at nsa, sec will have to wait in line. [20:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` good one [20:23]
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dexX7 "Why is Havelock Investments in the SEC's crosshairs? I made an account with them, but never bought anything. Should I be worried?" "Can you get in trouble for just a few mBTC?" ... [20:25]
mircea_popescu ... [20:25]
dexX7 :D [20:25]
dexX7 yup [20:25]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo fuckwit doesn't name names. [20:28]
mircea_popescu people need to grow up already. [20:28]
BingoBoingo Yeah [20:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I dunno if you've answered yet, but what are the plans for MP University? [20:29]
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mircea_popescu maybe. too much hassle so far, and who'd teach [20:29]
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asciilifeform quite a few of us here could probably teach. [20:30]
asciilifeform better question - who'd learn. [20:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, if you need a trained Librarian. [20:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform girls only, under 30, childless. [20:31]
asciilifeform lol [20:31]
BingoBoingo Ah, isn't that kind of the operation you are running atm? [20:32]
mircea_popescu allegedly. [20:32]
asciilifeform grls have this thing that they do, where they pretend to make you teach them maths, but they just pulsate [20:32]
mircea_popescu hm. [20:33]
mircea_popescu vagostabyl ? [20:33]
asciilifeform people teaching everything from number theory to marksmanship complain about this. [20:33]
asciilifeform lol [20:33]
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BingoBoingo I've always wondered why more marksmanship classes aren't taught with a mirrored target [20:37]
asciilifeform people have said to me that my teaching anything would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment [20:37]
mircea_popescu This is actually a highly revealing exchange. [20:37]
mircea_popescu A revealing exchange about an exchange that isn't revealing? [20:37]
asciilifeform so perhaps i'll teach the penal battalion. [20:37]
mircea_popescu ahgagaga reddit delivers [20:37]
mircea_popescu well done dexX7 [20:38]
dexX7 hehe yw [20:38]
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mircea_popescu "At least MP is an asshole equally to everyone, there is some amount of credibility in that." [20:38]
mircea_popescu i been sayin'... [20:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cheap led vga projectors are common now, i imagine very soon you'll be able to project your face on the target at your local target lane. [20:40]
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mircea_popescu i thought it was all about penile projection [20:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm kind of wondering why it isn't standard already. One's own face ought to offer better anatomical context at the range than those circles [20:42]
asciilifeform afaik nothing stops you from printing a self portrait and using that today. [20:42]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Getting the scale right, etc [20:48]
mircea_popescu "Based on the toxic and self righteous writing style, i'm pretty sure it's him. He would never admit it though, as the account has always made fun of anyone calling it a man." [20:48]
mircea_popescu hei guise, what the fuck does that toxic mean ? [20:48]
BingoBoingo "They were asking for voluntary cooperation. All he had to say was "no thank you." You can bet if they had any legal or authoritative standing they wouldn't be asking they'd be taking/demanding." [20:49]
praeconium Good evening, where do You get historical prices of various coins? [20:50]
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mircea_popescu praeconium maybe ? [20:50]
mircea_popescu at least for bitcoin. [20:50]
dexX7 praeconium: maybe this [20:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53756 @ 0.00081523 = 43.8235 BTC [-] {3} [20:51]
mircea_popescu "Subject: These users are now making more money in 1 hour than in their 9-5 dead-end job" "What could you do with $106 an hour?" << my spambox rules. [20:51]
benkay BingoBoingo: class is always in session in -assets. [20:51]
praeconium mircea_popescu: thanks. [20:52]
praeconium Do You trade other coins? I know I am not in right channel.. [20:52]
mircea_popescu i bought a little atc [20:52]
mircea_popescu but not really no. [20:52]
praeconium Is there a channel where people trading on quantitative models talk? [20:53]
BingoBoingo benkay: Sure, but for some a physical campus with ammenities like horsehair robes and doors locked from the outside can provide motivation [20:53]
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mircea_popescu praeconium maybe #mtgox ? [20:54]
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jborkl it is closed [20:54]
mircea_popescu i guess that didn't work out then [20:54]
benkay praeconium: try ##econometrics [20:55]
dexX7 praeconium: ##econometrics seems to be the most "professional" one re: investments and bitcoin, about bitcoin trading talk there is #bitcoin-pricetalk + #bitcoinmarkets [20:55]
benkay bit trolly from time to time, but hey it's irc [20:55]
dexX7 it's ##mtgox-chat [20:55]
jborkl that is closed and now is mtgox-talk [20:56]
jcpham people still talking about mtgox? [20:57]
jcpham is that a thing still [20:57]
jborkl no [20:57]
mircea_popescu why not just mtgox-cheat and be done with it [20:57]
jborkl mtgox-troll would be the best [20:57]
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praeconium Thanks guys, I already got goxed so that was enough for now :) [20:58]
mircea_popescu praeconium kinda my point. [20:58]
mircea_popescu you're too early to trade on quantitative models. [20:58]
praeconium I am mainly interested to see how they go about acquiring hist and realtime data since there is so much variety. [20:58]
praeconium I am not really a quant, I know some basics and have knowledge of finance.. not so complex, tbh [20:59]
jborkl rtbtc was good, but the serviced gox and bitstamp [20:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.06694 = 1.0041 BTC [+] {2} [20:59]
mircea_popescu praeconium there was a guy by the name of herbi, doingsimilar things [20:59]
mircea_popescu but it's early yet, basically [20:59]
praeconium I used rtbtc, but they used mtgox API [20:59]
jborkl yeah, not any use right now [21:00]
mike_c historical data: [21:00]
praeconium mircea_popescu: but don't You think that many new ones will trade with similar patterns to old ones upon introduction or change of diffculty etc? [21:00]
jborkl btc-e has metatrader - I have not used it though [21:00]
dexX7 there is a company that offers a quantitative model about btc (if that's the correct wording).. let me see, if i can find it [21:00]
BingoBoingo praeconium: Your best bet may be making #bitcoinquant then lurking here and directing interested people to your channels [21:01]
praeconium mike_c: thanks. [21:01]
mircea_popescu roughly speaking, the risk of the exchange goxing you is high enough that your quant profits are irrelevant [21:01]
mircea_popescu even should you get a model right. [21:01]
mircea_popescu which you won't likely, because it's a lot harder to predict turbulent flow than any one other thing [21:01]
praeconium Quant != high frequency [21:01]
mircea_popescu i am aware. [21:01]
dexX7 + [21:01]
ozbot Bitcoin Quant Modeling [21:01]
nubbins` you just need to build vestigial fly wingstubs into your model to account for turbulence [21:01]
mircea_popescu that said, more effort poured into that can't hurt anything [21:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` note that they have sequenced the human genome, but haven't figured out the winglets. [21:02]
praeconium Random Walk is there, I don't look into getting model right :) I just want to implement my ideas. [21:02]
mircea_popescu "we could if we wanted to", obviously. [21:02]
praeconium Thanks dexX7 [21:02]
praeconium Bingo, I am really a bit more into talking with existing crowd.. :) but nice idea. [21:02]
praeconium mircea_popescu: what do You think of indexing alts? [21:03]
mircea_popescu not ure what you mean by that ? [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8936 @ 0.000816 = 7.2918 BTC [+] [21:03]
praeconium On hybrid cap+difficulty models [21:03]
mircea_popescu afaik no serious work has been done on that so far at all. [21:03]
mircea_popescu i'd read it. [21:03]
praeconium Like FTSE100 [21:03]
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praeconium But mixing difficulty with capitalization [21:04]
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asciilifeform 'Aerodynamicist Theodore von Kármán died and went to heaven. In his registration packet was a bright orange ticket. Said Saint Peter, "You may get in line to ask God Himself one question." von Kármán ran to join the far end of the orange ticket queue. It was a long line, a *very* long line. Eons passed by and, sure enough, eventually in the distance he espied a giant glowing throne. More eons passed by [21:04]
asciilifeform and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange ticket, took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Kármán spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.' [21:04]
mircea_popescu lol [21:04]
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mircea_popescu$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYv3CBjenOcpR_3UNwFQij16WCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg [21:09]
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asciilifeform mr. k ? [21:09]
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mircea_popescu yeah [21:09]
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cam888 carsam cazalla chatquack CheckDavid chetty chsados_ cipi cmyers_ coingenuity ColdHardMetal copumpkin Crypton Curious_George [21:11]
cam888 carsam cazalla chatquack CheckDavid chetty chsados_ cipi cmyers_ coingenuity ColdHardMetal copumpkin Crypton Curious_George [21:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00081206 = 56.763 BTC [-] {2} [21:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 130 @ 0.00388566 = 0.5051 BTC [-] {6} [21:19]
BingoBoingo Win [21:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00385003 = 0.462 BTC [-] {5} [21:20]
Shakespeare soundtrack to that mark pic is Under Pressur [21:21]
Shakespeare e [21:21]
Shakespeare the whip covering his butcrack makes it look odd [21:22]
mircea_popescu lol [21:22]
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Shakespeare [21:23]
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Shakespeare "The participants could then each do a standard algorithm to generate consistent state. This might seem like a fantasy, but Byzantine algorithms like Bitcoin [Andreesen 2014] and Namecoin show that such systems are possible today." [21:24]
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Shakespeare [21:25]
Shakespeare [21:25]
ozbot (bIockchain) on Twitter [21:25]
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mircea_popescu what bullshit is this quoting "andreesen" [21:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00013754 = 0.2063 BTC [-] {6} [21:26]
mircea_popescu the name is satoshi. who is this andressen [21:26]
dexX7 i'm still wondering, if jimmothy is on mpex' payroll [21:27]
mircea_popescu maybe he's really mp ? [21:27]
dexX7 maybe he is. [21:27]
Shakespeare is mp really mp? [21:28]
dexX7 i sent him a bait some weeks ago, but he didn't take it [21:28]
BingoBoingo Maybe jimmothy is Thermos, or nefario? [21:28]
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mircea_popescu Shakespeare on his better days. [21:28]
mircea_popescu or maybe he's just a random dork with no better entertainment options. [21:28]
mircea_popescu (last line in response to BingoBoingos comment, ftr) [21:29]
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BingoBoingo Well, it is always important to point out this is the record [21:30]
benkay BingoBoingo is actually tiberiusxiv [21:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2208 @ 0.00080691 = 1.7817 BTC [+] [21:31]
mircea_popescu i thought tiberius was a girl. [21:32]
BingoBoingo benkay: What was his deal anyways. That's like the fifth person I've been accused of being this week. [21:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.60009616 = 9.6015 BTC [-] {8} [21:32]
benkay tiberius a girl? [21:32]
benkay hm [21:32]
benkay you'd probably know better than i. [21:32]
benkay BingoBoingo: just the best troll this channel has ever seen. [21:33]
joecool that would be luke imo [21:33]
benkay Luke-Jr? [21:33]
joecool yes [21:33]
benkay he's no troll - 100% authentic! [21:34]
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joecool benkay: [21:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00080698 = 35.5071 BTC [+] {2} [21:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00384636 = 0.1154 BTC [-] {3} [21:35]
mircea_popescu let's move on : [21:36]
mircea_popescu [21:36]
Shakespeare where's her risk-free sign? [21:37]
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mircea_popescu at.... home ? [21:38]
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dexX7 i give luke much credit. he may be a troll (it's only what i heard several times), but his pool is remarkable for the different transaction policies and the only one to push non-standard stuff.. [21:45]
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kakobrekla dexX7 he did all sorts of scammy shit [22:05]
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moiety mew all [22:06]
kakobrekla hi [22:06]
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dexX7 hi [22:07]
mircea_popescu hi kitten [22:07]
moiety mircea_popescu: feck... you're not counting weird links and imgurs in this are you?! [22:07]
mircea_popescu lol [22:09]
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mircea_popescu overstock is being fucked, who knew. [22:10]
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benderp nonsense ninjashogun. a vanishingly thin slice of everyone is competent, and everyone else is constantly justifying their incompetence to themselves and each other. [22:12]
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moiety "... has since opened TRG..." excellent! :/ [22:12]
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benderp mircea_popescu: more credence accrues every day to the notion that consumer organizations accepting bitcoin only do so as they begin to circle the drain. [22:12]
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moiety lolol well put benderp - exemplified in here often :P [22:13]
mircea_popescu benderp 2005 article mind. [22:13]
moiety thats ridiculous [22:14]
moiety absolutely ridiculous [22:14]
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benderp fungible labor is fungible. [22:14]
mircea_popescu Dollar Shave Club @DollarShaveClub · 1h [22:14]
mircea_popescu Let's wipe out Colon Cancer. Mike, our CEO, is getting a colonoscopy & streaming it live. WATCH RIGHT NOW. #DSColon [22:14]
mircea_popescu i would say this is the definitive example. [22:14]
moiety people can be competent at producing food, building things... all the things you said ninjashogun [22:15]
mircea_popescu dorks have their own shortener to paste their links about how a spurious ceo is ending cancer by shoving things up his butt live on cam. [22:15]
mircea_popescu it just doesn't go any further. [22:15]
dexX7 workers = incompetent sounds like a rude prejudice [22:15]
benderp workers = fungible [22:15]
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moiety prexactly dexX7 [22:15]
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benderp ninjashogun: all the reading in the world, and look at the shitshow that's resulted. [22:16]
benderp i blame the incompetent teachers. [22:16]
moiety eww mircea_popescu no one wants to see that much of their or anyone else's boss [22:16]
moiety ninjashogun: imo, you get people competent and incompetent in every field. competence is not something that comes with status. There are plenty of incompetent management in the world [22:17]
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moiety and im responding to yours [22:18]
Perlboy mircea_popescu, nice article just a slight comment "(unfortunately the Australian equivalent of the US SEC has been uniquely unhelpful in this matter so far).". Patrick Harnett appears to have a +64 number which would make him NZ :) [22:18]
moiety that;s going to happen when you hit enter in here [22:18]
mircea_popescu Perlboy it's a complicated matter. nz people weren't nearly as obnoxious, but anyway. [22:19]
moiety please tell me that was also sarcasm ninjashogun [22:19]
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Perlboy mircea_popescu, yeah kiwi's are a bit more open [22:20]
Perlboy you were talking to asic? [22:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, not going to comment on that particular wrinkle further. [22:20]
benderp no, you're a budding Jobs, right ninjashogun? [22:20]
Perlboy mircea_popescu, ok, nice article though i'm glad there's someone like you able to push back [22:21]
moiety ;; lasers [22:21]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [22:21]
Perlboy if i did such things in australia i'd start waiting for the black helicopters [22:21]
Perlboy ninjashogun, 99% of managers are a case of shit floating. [22:22]
moiety ninjashogun: yes. go work in a hospital or government agency. competence in your definition = arselicking and shagging someone higher up [22:22]
davout benderp: [22:22]
mircea_popescu people generally overrepresent the importance and power of corrupt government. [22:22]
benderp ah davout thou art a scholar [22:22]
davout benderp: yo, brb, zipping some leonard cohen for mircea_popescu [22:23]
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mike_c ninjashogun you should expound on this topic at length on bitcointalk. [22:23]
moiety ninjashogun: yup 100% competent huh [22:23]
mircea_popescu davout are you trying to get me in trouble with the law ? [22:23]
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davout haha [22:24]
Perlboy ninjashogun, no they are typically promoted either a) Because they stroked egos and didn't create any issues [or covered them up to people who would be concerned] or b) Were found to be incompetent but were stuck in the organisation so were promoted to a position where they couldn't fuck things up [22:24]
moiety i totally agree with mike_c i think it would be a really interesting good thread ninjashogun go for it [22:24]
moiety and please link us [22:24]
mircea_popescu can't tell if kitteh is trolling or youthful. [22:24]
moiety ;P [22:24]
benderp and yet ninjashogun those are the 'architects' out there in the wild, delivering value by your standards. [22:25]
benderp what was it asciilifeform was going on about? [22:25]
moiety jesus you are seriously gonna use windows as an example here? [22:25]
benderp der fuhrershitcake? [22:25]
asciilifeform ? [22:25]
benderp it tastes great! [22:26]
Perlboy ninjashogun, true, but then it's been rewritten what, 4 times now (3.11, 95, XP, 8)? [22:26]
moiety asciilifeform! i used gribbles lasers! they were required [22:26]
Perlboy so it's the age old opportunity cost thing [22:26]
davout ninjashogun: you may be confusing value with technical debt [22:26]
Perlboy hack it together and we'll have to rewrite every X years [22:26]
Perlboy or do it right and evolve [22:26]
asciilifeform windows doesn't really have any architectural defenders << you'd be surprised. [22:26]
moiety i think its time to break out the alcohol or sanity pills or something [22:26]
Perlboy unfortunately microsoft isn't motivated to do something forever [22:26]
asciilifeform they include people who don't even work for ms [22:27]
Perlboy otherwise their upgrade would be less expensive (ie. apple mac osx :)) [22:27]
asciilifeform like ceo of 'green hills software' (favoured son contractor who sells a proprietary embedded os for military hardware) [22:27]
asciilifeform and the Official Party Line of usg is... wait for it... [22:27]
davout ninjashogun: just because you're never going to repay it doesn't change the nature of a debt, it's still a debt [22:28]
asciilifeform that winblows is 'certified secure' because it has fine-grained access permissions. [22:28]
Perlboy umm, so, there's nothing wrong with windows being used for all banking applications [22:28]
Perlboy just make sure you price in a few hundred firewalls [22:29]
moiety ninjashogun, dear, when you begin by talking about incompetence of managers and people that make food... you cannot really switch to a whole company that is comprised of millions of them. #consistency [22:29]
Perlboy which fwiw you'd have to have anyway regardless of os [22:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hahaha what [22:29]
davout ninjashogun: sounds like a point [22:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seriously, winblows is mandatory, and that's the 'reasoning' [22:30]
asciilifeform used by usg [22:30]
davout ninjashogun: except if you're considering the expense of time required to switch useful applications to better OSes [22:30]
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Perlboy Yeah, i know at least one bank that has moved to 100% Windows. [22:31]
Perlboy and they just replaced their core banking with windows+mssql end to end [22:31]
Perlboy ninjashogun, every system, windows. [22:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform very lol. [22:31]
Perlboy ninjashogun, all of it. [22:31]
davout ninjashogun: it can be debt in the sense that they have to keep backwards compatibility up to some level [22:31]
moiety ninjashogun: 100% [22:31]
moiety even i get what he means [22:31]
Perlboy ninjashogun, all of it. :) [22:32]
davout ninjashogun: for the rest there's mastercard [22:32]
moiety lololol [22:32]
Perlboy microsoft basically dropped their pants license wise. [22:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2} [22:32]
davout ninjashogun: "improving their OS" and "creating a new solid OS" sounds like a difference in degree, not in kind [22:33]
davout ninjashogun: precisely because of tech debt [22:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00080757 = 40.9438 BTC [-] {3} [22:34]
moiety youre definately the loudest ninja i have ever met! [22:35]
davout ninjashogun: no, it's defaulting on debt, which can make sense :D [22:35]
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moiety the forum?? [22:36]
moiety ok? i did see you linked that [22:37]
mircea_popescu (Side point- Art Deco's fascination with streamlining household objects whose actual wind resistance is irrelevant proved popular because levelling incomes led for the first time to a group of people who could afford good design but not household servants. It seems that a streamlined Art Deco lamp is easier to dust than a frilly Victorian one...) [22:37]
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benderp uh [22:40]
benderp everyone i know who can afford a macintosh pays an accountant if they're not on salary, ninjashogun. [22:40]
benderp what are these professional things the macintosh consumer software enables? [22:40]
ThickAsThieves (Side point- Art Deco's fascination with streamlining household objects whose actual wind resistance is irrelevant proved popular because levelling incomes led for the first time to a group of people who could afford good design but not household servants. It seems that a streamlined Art Deco lamp is easier to dust than a frilly Victorian one...) /// Nonsense. [22:40]
moiety ninjashogun: ok ok i clicked and i give up on any article that begins: "have you ever felt like......" [22:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32647 @ 0.00081309 = 26.5449 BTC [+] {2} [22:40]
benderp can you provide an acceptable example? [22:40]
ThickAsThieves it happened because visual design became a blue collar job [22:41]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves do tell ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu in the 20s ?! [22:41]
ThickAsThieves no one was thinking about dusting [22:41]
deadweasel moiety: i think that's a good rule [22:41]
ThickAsThieves oh i thought that was you talking [22:41]
asciilifeform afaik the only software today 'specifically targeted at mac users' is the nickel-and-dime chumpatron where these folks pay $20/each for a hundred little gui utilities that'd be a 1-line bash script on an ordinary computer [22:41]
ThickAsThieves it's quote from the 20s? [22:41]
mircea_popescu yes, it was me talking about the 20s. [22:41]
ThickAsThieves or just referring to 20s style [22:41]
mircea_popescu well yes. [22:42]
ThickAsThieves simplicity is in vogue now too [22:42]
mircea_popescu true true, not very well introduced. [22:42]
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mircea_popescu < sauce. [22:42]
benderp afaik the only software today 'specifically targeted at mac [22:42]
benderp users' is the nickel-and-dime chumpatron where these folks pay [22:42]
benderp $20/each for a hundred little gui utilities that'd be a 1-line [22:42]
benderp bash script on an ordinary computer [22:42]
ozbot Main/The Roaring Twenties - Television Tropes & Idioms [22:42]
mircea_popescu benderp omfg you derp you [22:42]
ThickAsThieves if anything, it's certainly cheaper to make simple stuff [22:42]
benderp yeah derpin hard [22:42]
ThickAsThieves rather than frilly [22:42]
ThickAsThieves mostly the expense comes into play when they choose expensive smooth surfaces [22:43]
ThickAsThieves but hey if they scratch, that makes them consumable! [22:43]
asciilifeform and then there are the poor schmucks who just want a portable posix box that mostly works. [22:44]
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moiety so mircea_popescu, ThickAsTheives, can we conclude modern day styling is getting more minimalistic and less decorative because people are lazy/no servants/no time? [22:44]
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mircea_popescu moiety i would say in present day considerations shoving the items is more of a concern [22:45]
ThickAsThieves i wont say it has much to do with servants [22:45]
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mircea_popescu as the dollar shave "ceo" clearly illustrates [22:45]
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ThickAsThieves i'd add to the list too [22:45]
* moiety nods [22:45]
ThickAsThieves for example, where do you find people to make intricate wood carvings? [22:45]
mircea_popescu even the cars look increasingly more like they came out of a vulva. [22:45]
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ThickAsThieves mass production is a huge influence [22:46]
moiety even more of a side note -- i think it's a real shame loosing the individuality and decorativeness of design :( cars is a good example! [22:46]
deadweasel my Vulva is diesel 240 [22:46]
mircea_popescu but they had mass production for a century [22:46]
mircea_popescu moiety yeah now everyone makes porsches, from bmw to mercedes. [22:46]
ThickAsThieves right but havent things become more about cutting costs as time passes? [22:47]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: who said i was involved in making a bitcoin-related anything? [22:47]
ThickAsThieves they are literally cutting the edges [22:47]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves actually it became feasible to extrude complex conical surfaces. [22:47]
moiety mircea_popescu: and they are so ugly. what ever happened to aston and jaguar [22:47]
mircea_popescu better cnc etc [22:47]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: i think you have the wrong address. that'd be 'trezor' et al. [22:47]
ThickAsThieves 3d printing may bring a psuedo-rennaisance [22:47]
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ThickAsThieves but i doubt it [22:48]
moiety ThickAsThieves: i think you might be right but i feel only at a trinket level? [22:48]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: i might theoretically, at some point, make something that fits this description, but the current product has nothing to do with bitcoin or wallets [22:48]
ThickAsThieves well theyll get bigger [22:48]
ThickAsThieves look at the german car thing in the news today [22:48]
ThickAsThieves sec [22:48]
ThickAsThieves [22:48]
ozbot The Germans Have Figured Out How to 3-D Print Cars | Autopia | [22:48]
moiety thanks ThickAsThieves [22:48]
ThickAsThieves i dunno how the fuck they can that a car [22:49]
ThickAsThieves but at least it's a hull [22:49]
daybyter Carrera cars? ^^ [22:49]
ThickAsThieves call* [22:49]
moiety jesus christ, where do you even sit [22:49]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: this is catastrophically misguided. [22:49]
ThickAsThieves in the vulva [22:49]
moiety LOL [22:49]
ThickAsThieves :) [22:49]
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ThickAsThieves old school art deco did offer many intricate work too yknow [22:50]
benderp ninjashogun: if you can't be bothered to respond to private conversations that you start, I don't see why I should arse myself to respond to your PMs. [22:50]
moiety lol "inspired by a turtles skeleton" -- i have *always* thought of beautiful cars when viewing turtles [22:51]
thestringpuller asciilifeform do you believe there is a hardware hole in most mobile devices? [22:51]
ThickAsThieves i always thought car design moved much too slowly [22:51]
thestringpuller like for rng? [22:51]
moiety bahaha and *theres* the connection! [22:51]
ThickAsThieves i dont understand why more concept cars arent produced [22:51]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: see mp's piece on why it is unwise to become embroiled in the making of products for idiots. [22:51]
moiety remember the alfa concept they just produced one of for the boss [22:52]
ThickAsThieves serving idiots will age you [22:52]
benderp mo users, mo problems. [22:52]
asciilifeform fundamentally different problems. ones which only the folks with the cattle prods are properly equipped to handle. [22:53]
ThickAsThieves idiots also suck all the joy out of a task [22:53]
benderp asciilifeform: link the goats again! [22:53]
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asciilifeform benderp: ? [22:54]
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asciilifeform goats? [22:54]
asciilifeform [22:54]
benderp with the bells [22:55]
asciilifeform [22:56]
asciilifeform (about 10 min. long, so you need an attention span) [22:56]
ThickAsThieves dafuck language are you spekaing? [22:57]
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ThickAsThieves last night a couple asked me the easiest way to buy bitcoin, I said Coinbase, you just need to enter your checking account info, and the wife was all, I'm not putting my checking account info in some website! [22:59]
ThickAsThieves i was like, dont you buy stuff online all the time? [22:59]
ThickAsThieves yeah but can i just buy them with PayPal? [22:59]
ThickAsThieves etc [22:59]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: 'Honest toil not so much, but honest cunning aplenty in this fabled subsection of the population, the offensively stupid poor. The costs of the strategic mistake of dealing with them are huge. Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations com [22:59]
asciilifeform petent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or whatever they’re called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, they’ve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to [22:59]
asciilifeform obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything.' (mp's [22:59]
mircea_popescu paypal is not a website, and the government is not some twerps. [23:00]
ThickAsThieves i told her i wouldnt sell to them because theyd still need a wallet anyway [23:00]
ThickAsThieves bitcoin really isnt for the masses [23:01]
ThickAsThieves i told her to buy FIG [23:01]
ThickAsThieves i also told them not to do anything i said [23:01]
ThickAsThieves the difference really is that transactions are final [23:03]
ThickAsThieves without an Undo, idiots cant manage [23:03]
ThickAsThieves who uses cash? [23:03]
mircea_popescu there's undo in mountain dew ? [23:03]
deadweasel do the undo [23:03]
mircea_popescu ;;google undine [23:04]
gribble Undine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Undine (novella) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Undine (alchemy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [23:04]
mircea_popescu (the first nymphlet to drink piss) [23:04]
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ThickAsThieves like i said, you are comparing the wrong thing [23:05]
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ThickAsThieves common man doesnt use cash for much of note [23:05]
ThickAsThieves they use debit/credit cards [23:05]
ThickAsThieves or PayPal [23:05]
ThickAsThieves etc [23:05]
FabianB in US [23:06]
ThickAsThieves indeed [23:06]
FabianB 90% cash here [23:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00375616 = 0.2254 BTC [-] {3} [23:06]
bitcoinpete i'll just quietly leave this here: [23:06]
ThickAsThieves common man also cant figure out to not open exe files from their email [23:06]
mircea_popescu FabianB where's that again ? japan ? [23:06]
bitcoinpete ;;later tell benkay thanks for the inspiration! [23:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:06]
deadweasel ninjashogun, explain a bitcoin to a a newbie and then convince them to buy some. [23:07]
FabianB mircea_popescu: that was a personal statement, not country statistics [23:07]
deadweasel you'll find the hurdles [23:07]
ThickAsThieves ^ [23:07]
FabianB mircea_popescu: but probably true for jp, korea and china, more or less [23:07]
deadweasel stop thinking then [23:07]
mircea_popescu i use cash only too. [23:07]
ThickAsThieves as you probly think you do about most things [23:07]
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deadweasel no [23:07]
mircea_popescu did in the us, also. never had a problem with it, contrary to what people say [23:07]
deadweasel stop [23:07]
ThickAsThieves mp, but for the things you use cash for, would you ever use bitcoin instead? [23:08]
FabianB andd germany is still more cash than credit cards as well [23:08]
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deadweasel honestly, i can't follow your ramblings at present, ninjashogun, how could you possibly explain it to a newbie? [23:08]
mircea_popescu turns out you can rent hotel rooms w/o credit cards just fine. provided you wear a suit and your gangster roll is larger than the receptionists' penis [23:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not really. [23:08]
deadweasel ^ [23:09]
ThickAsThieves in this way i think it's unwise to use normal cash wallets as the intro to noobs [23:09]
mircea_popescu maybe. [23:09]
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mircea_popescu the jury in my head is out on the entire topic of bitcoin-backed ccs [23:09]
ThickAsThieves it's much more akin to your onlin banking username and password [23:09]
mircea_popescu maybe they work, fuck knows. let people try. [23:09]
ThickAsThieves except that your online banking has Undo [23:10]
moiety I'm struggling with weighing up the frustration:lulz in relation to the ignore function [23:10]
deadweasel ninjashogun, i seem to have lost you completely. but i know one thing, the last time I thought I had some insight on bitcoin I asked everyone here. turns out i was wrong. [23:10]
FabianB i sell euro if i want rmb to get around in china [23:10]
moiety well done for managing this far deadweasel [23:10]
deadweasel ditto! [23:11]
ThickAsThieves this is also why i find those BigFoot bitcoin brochures so out of touch [23:12]
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ThickAsThieves they make zero effort to actually initiate a new user [23:12]
asciilifeform bitcoinpete: i wish people didn't spread messianic exaggeration re: cardano. it isn't a Final Solution, just intended to be a little oasis in the desert. [23:12]
deadweasel Cardono, TM, secures your btc and burns your jews, automatically! [23:12]
asciilifeform lol [23:12]
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deadweasel Cardano* [23:13]
asciilifeform 'throw transport down the well, so yer country can be free!' (sasha baroncohen) [23:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50474 @ 0.00081576 = 41.1747 BTC [+] {3} [23:13]
mircea_popescu can anyone explain to me why clikcion on pete's link in note 5 [23:13]
mircea_popescu leads one to a random trilema page ? [23:13]
deadweasel ninjashogun: the mental hurdles people put up for themselves are far higher than the small mental hurdles you have bounded to understand it. [23:13]
deadweasel it = btc [23:13]
mircea_popescu meh sorry i mean note 6 not 5 [23:13]
mircea_popescu and petey i liked note 3. [23:14]
deadweasel ninjashogun: I don't [23:14]
mircea_popescu exactly what good art is. [23:14]
ThickAsThieves mp, did yo edit the url at some point? [23:14]
deadweasel i wait for them to fucking beg me to explain it [23:14]
ThickAsThieves or maybe it's cuz a 301 plugin [23:14]
ThickAsThieves in WP [23:14]
deadweasel ninjashogun: this is not jesus [23:14]
ThickAsThieves ninjashogun, no one buys bitcoin to buy things [23:14]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no, that's the beauty of it : [23:14]
ThickAsThieves as no one sells things only for bitcoin [23:15]
mircea_popescu that leads to the proper article [23:15]
deadweasel ah ty, i wish I could grep your blog [23:15]
mircea_popescu he fucked up the url somehoiw but i can't tell how. [23:15]
ThickAsThieves i found the problem [23:15]
ThickAsThieves his link has %E2%80%8E after it [23:15]
deadweasel they don't accept them and less than 1% of their biz is btc. they let Coinbase or Paybit or whatever do it [23:15]
mircea_popescu o fuck right you are [23:16]
mircea_popescu wd! [23:16]
ThickAsThieves no ninja you dont get what i'm syaing [23:16]
ThickAsThieves yes people spend bitcoins [23:16]
ThickAsThieves no shit [23:16]
deadweasel ya [23:16]
ThickAsThieves but they dont BUY the specifically to buy things [23:16]
ThickAsThieves them* [23:16]
ThickAsThieves they buy them to speculate [23:17]
ThickAsThieves then maybe they buy things [23:17]
ThickAsThieves there are some exceptions [23:17]
benderp the thing with the people who buy things with bitcoins, is that eventually they will run out of bitcoins. [23:17]
moiety otherwise ninjashogun people would be buying exact amounts for their purchases to get the best conversion [23:17]
ThickAsThieves for example, you can only get MPEx account with BTC [23:17]
ThickAsThieves SR is an exception, not the common motivation to buy btc [23:18]
ThickAsThieves it also doesnt exist [23:18]
moiety i mean as in, what would be the point in having leftovers if you were only buying it to buy something else [23:18]
mircea_popescu sr is still a thing ? [23:18]
deadweasel nope [23:18]
deadweasel darknetmarkets pop up and down on a weekly basis [23:18]
mircea_popescu not that it ever was much of a thing, but for the sake of lulz. [23:19]
deadweasel hacked, doxxed, whatever [23:19]
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ThickAsThieves right, no reason to trust in tormarkets anymore [23:19]
ThickAsThieves probly many people simply kept their contacts [23:19]
jborkl [23:19]
ThickAsThieves and buy direct [23:19]
benderp ninjashogun: another challenge is the backup and restoration problem. [23:19]
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moiety nvm [23:20]
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benderp ninjashogun: the rational thing for long term btc holders is... [23:20]
deadweasel benderp: yeah, low hanging fruit, I should have started there. [23:20]
benderp to hold btc. [23:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a thing in the sense communism is 'a thing' - folks will keep trying [23:20]
benderp ninjashogun: how could an offline device know its balance? [23:21]
deadweasel slightly, but only for the already technically advanced [23:21]
mircea_popescu more like in the sense nerd sex is a thing, but yeah [23:21]
benderp no but no [23:21]
moiety ok, imma just head off to get a BTC to keep for my 2014 lipgloss purchases .. and perhaps an eyeliner, should i need one brb [23:21]
benderp how is an offline wallet going to know its balance? [23:21]
benderp ninjashogun: ^^ [23:21]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: let's work through this. how do you propose the wallet machine is to be communicated with? [23:21]
asciilifeform let me guess. dedicated piece of pc software. [23:21]
benderp over wifi! [23:21]
benderp it's sekyure, doncha no. [23:22]
ThickAsThieves it couldnt "know" its balance, but it could sync it [23:22]
moiety speaking of nerd sex, karpeles actually once tweeted about how being a nerd in japan was much better as he had talked a japanese chick into marrying him lol [23:22]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: please take the time to learn something about how btc actually works [23:22]
ThickAsThieves it could sync by scanning a bar code [23:23]
* moiety wonders if he bought her with magic game cards [23:23]
benderp ThickAsThieves: don't encourage him. [23:23]
ThickAsThieves :) [23:23]
deadweasel moiety: black lotus for a pink lotus! [23:23]
deadweasel or yellow lotus? [23:23]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: from the point of a luser, a mercedes runs by dwarves under the hood turning a crank. [23:23]
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moiety lolol!!! [23:23]
asciilifeform if you want to discuss a hypothetical device, you must approach from the standpoint of the builder. [23:24]
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deadweasel ninjashogun: we could use toe warmers? [23:24]
moiety ninjashogun: all you need now is chip'n'pin for bitcoin and youre all set! [23:24]
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asciilifeform the only reason anybody even dares to talk about 'hardware wallet' today is that he's weaseled out of the task of building the hard part [23:25]
benderp even moiety's in on the game now [23:26]
asciilifeform that'd be something like 'trezor' [23:26]
asciilifeform all this does is store keys [23:26]
asciilifeform the luser is still relying on a pc to actually crank the protocol [23:26]
asciilifeform either his own, or some charlatan's remote box [23:27]
benderp hardware wallets are actually more complex and a greater pain in the ass. users must understand transactions, how to generate one, how to sign one, and how to transmit one. [23:27]
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benderp interesting!? [23:27]
benderp interesting over useful?! [23:27]
asciilifeform 'atm using btc' is old hat [23:28]
asciilifeform what is the point of this? [23:28]
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asciilifeform all you'll get is angry idiots who stuff it in an ordinary atm [23:28]
asciilifeform use it where ?! [23:29]
asciilifeform might as well make it thin and cylindrical, to stuff up arse [23:29]
deadweasel what if you get stuck in an island prison for life with your autistic friend? [23:30]
deadweasel you'll need that feature [23:30]
moiety sorry i just finished facedesking [23:30]
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moiety ninjashogun: that was in no way, shape or form a serious comment. my apologies. [23:31]
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deadweasel [23:31]
ozbot Papillon (1973) - IMDb [23:31]
moiety chip'n'pin shouldnt exist for fiat ffs [23:31]
benderp .bait [23:32]
ozbot [23:32]
benderp .bait [23:32]
ozbot [23:32]
benderp .bait [23:32]
ozbot [23:32]
asciilifeform afaik chip & pin is still a crock of shit quite like traditional magstripe (i.e. it doesn't use crypto challenge/response but a fixed secret) [23:32]
Diablo-D3 asciilifeform: well [23:32]
Diablo-D3 you're looking at the problem wrong [23:33]
Diablo-D3 magstripe is 70s tech [23:33]
Diablo-D3 pin and chip is 80s tech [23:33]
Diablo-D3 what we want is 90s tech [23:33]
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benderp plain ol gpg should suffice [23:33]
benderp don't see what all the rush is about [23:33]
asciilifeform discussion was about classical fiat bank cards [23:34]
asciilifeform where the vendors actually have a strong incentive to permit some fraud [23:34]
moiety umm #2 please for me benderp [23:34]
moiety i think we should use gpg for everything, everywhere, all the time [23:35]
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* asciilifeform goes to boil some tea using gpg [23:36]
joecool asciilifeform: *but* does it lock out after too many failed attemps? [23:38]
joecool *attempts [23:38]
asciilifeform pray tell, why does it need to look like a card? [23:40]
moiety ok i may have been a little enthusiastic there.. BUT you cannot deny if you were offered gpg tea or normal tea, you would ask for gpg tea [23:40]
asciilifeform moiety: i'm about to drink some as we speak. [23:40]
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moiety ninjashogun: i have no words. learn about how card processing works first? [23:40]
moiety asciilifeform: please tell me you heated it with lasers [23:41]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: if you'd like to trick people, you've the wrong address [23:41]
moiety ninjashogun: i don't believe that's my place to do so [23:41]
moiety you have eyes [23:41]
joecool well i'm already using chip and pin openpgp [23:41]
joecool :) [23:41]
joecool < [23:42]
ozbot g10 Code - Smartcard [23:42]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: anyway, take this to the 'trezor' folks, not me. i've personally no interest in manufacturing 'lukewarm wallets.' [23:42]
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joecool asciilifeform: have you looked at yubikey neo yet? [23:42]
moiety your metaphors and sarcasm are very clear... a few lines later ninjashogun (yawn) [23:42]
Apocalyptic is trezor still a thing ? [23:43]
joecool Apocalyptic: as much as BFL is [23:43]
asciilifeform one of the things people refuse to understand about 'yubikey' et al is that miniaturization of the keychain/card variety is fundamentally antithetical to genuine security. [23:44]
moiety meh we can handle it, i'd work on listening first [23:44]
asciilifeform for instance, where in the keychain could one stuff an analogue rng, auditable with the naked eye and oscilloscope ? [23:45]
asciilifeform its shield? [23:45]
asciilifeform etc [23:45]
moiety it's also made it clear, you don't actually read the logs [23:46]
asciilifeform the market for cold fusion is also there. [23:46]
thestringpuller !last m s.mpoe [23:46]
assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00081576 BTC [+] [23:46]
asciilifeform and for philosopher's stone. [23:46]
mike_c wait for it.. here's the part where he asks for funding. [23:46]
joecool i'm not that Joe [23:46]
thestringpuller wow looks like there will be some interesting things in the logs [23:47]
thestringpuller amazing [23:47]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:47]
joecool ^^^^^ [23:47]
moiety not yet mike_c he got distracted [23:48]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: homework. determined the cost of, starting with nothing but idle hands, personally determining exactly what your 'yubikey' does. [23:48]
asciilifeform in sufficient detail to build a second. [23:48]
* moiety takes out her monacle - amidoinitwrong guise? [23:48]
mircea_popescu moiety i'd take green tea [23:48]
mircea_popescu and it's a monocle [23:48]
moiety aww :( failme have some green [secure] tea [23:49]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller what specifically ? [23:49]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: what part of this crap do you imagine is patentable? [23:49]
asciilifeform and in what pesthole country [23:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.006 = 0.78 BTC [+] [23:50]
moiety asciilifeform: Atlantis? [23:50]
asciilifeform glad that you understand at least this. [23:50]
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mike_c ascii, are you patenting anything for snsa? [23:50]
asciilifeform not so much as a shoelace. [23:50]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: sarcasm so nothing in particular [23:51]
moiety mircea_popescu: random side note, have you had white tea? [23:51]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla [23:51]
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mircea_popescu moiety yeah. i've had all sorts of tea once at some sort of "all sorts of tea event" in greenwich village [23:52]
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kakobrekla i will not admit that. [23:52]
mike_c because you don't think the IP is the important part of things, or some other reason? [23:52]
mircea_popescu it's ~==== php isntit. [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00081119 = 20.807 BTC [-] [23:53]
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moiety mircea_popescu: i hear it's not very nice... a tea event sounds pretty cool though, to me [23:53]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: you were just told why a 'security' gizmo in the shape of a card is inescapably worthless. care to disagree? or do you even read replies at all [23:53]
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kakobrekla no further comments on the subject were made. everyone lived happily ever after. [23:53]
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mircea_popescu moiety the cleavage was spectaculay. oodlebunches of starving aspirational chicks wearing their friends' only designer outfit. [23:53]
mircea_popescu o shit, i meant spectacular. i guess i... slipped ? [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00081529 = 25.3963 BTC [+] {2} [23:54]
asciilifeform ok, patiently explaining: [23:54]
asciilifeform take your yubikey, etc. and disassemble it [23:54]
asciilifeform what's inside? [23:54]
moiety s'ok i didn't notice cus i was wearing my monacle not my monocle [23:54]
mike_c trilema seems silent on the topic of patenting IP [23:54]
joecool asciilifeform: magic [23:54]
mike_c that must be the only topic i've ever looked for that it was silent on :) [23:55]
mircea_popescu mike_c etc [23:55]
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mircea_popescu you just don't read the right languages :D [23:56]
joecool damn that didn't take long [23:56]
joecool mircea_popescu: are you a bot? [23:56]
wilimprex asciilifeform: most importantly the card sw is cloused source and access to sdk is under nda [23:56]
mircea_popescu joecool i am a transcend. [23:56]
asciilifeform ok here we go [23:56]
asciilifeform [23:56]
mircea_popescu which is worse than a bot [23:56]
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asciilifeform ok, now what's inside the micro ? [23:56]
asciilifeform i mean, you can certainly describe it in encyclopaedic terms. [23:57]
asciilifeform what would it cost you to determine exactly what the micro does [23:57]
asciilifeform and whether it matches what is printed on the box ? [23:57]
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Diablo-D3 [05:56:32] [23:58]
Diablo-D3 wtf is that [23:58]
asciilifeform ninjashogun: you mentioned a chinese manufacturing contact. ask him. he'll tell you an exact cost, in the currency of your choice. [23:58]
asciilifeform in usd it'll be 5-6 figures. [23:58]
asciilifeform now why would i wish to buy this product? [23:58]
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