Forum logs for 20 Jul 2012
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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jurov | gentlemen, let me chime in with most recently discovered of mpex quirks | [00:36] |
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jurov | apparently if you do cancel, create new order and stat quickly enough, in this order | [00:37] |
jurov | the new order may not surface in that stat | [00:37] |
Azelphur | mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex-vwap.php this feed, it's volumes and last trade right? | [00:39] |
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Azelphur | oh wait derp, it's just volumes | [00:40] |
Azelphur | mircea_popescu: Y U NO LAST TRADE ANYWHERE | [00:40] |
Azelphur | every time I have to html scrape god kills a kitten | [00:40] |
nanotube | good thing those furry little vermin reproduce like rabbits. :) | [00:41] |
Azelphur | haha, indeed | [00:41] |
jurov | azelphur, oooooh, don't freak, it will be done eventually :D | [00:41] |
Azelphur | jurov: just messing about, not freaking, I know :) | [00:42] |
jurov | azelphur, and you already have proper synchronizing of your data with stat mess? | [00:42] |
jurov | or not started yet? | [00:42] |
Azelphur | ? | [00:42] |
jurov | i mean, keeping track what happens with your account | [00:43] |
Azelphur | jurov: are you talking about the exchange? I stopped working on that a while back | [00:43] |
jurov | so that you can reconstruct it back in time | [00:43] |
jurov | yes, about mpex | [00:43] |
jurov | okay | [00:43] |
Azelphur | yea, I stopped making a frontend | [00:43] |
Azelphur | I'm just working on mbot now | [00:43] |
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jurov | how is your bot going to track his/her orders? especially if there are more of'em on one acct? | [00:44] |
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Azelphur | mbot is an irc bot that shows trade info live, rather than a bot that trades on mpex | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | Azelphur vwap is volume weighted average prices | [00:45] |
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Azelphur | mircea_popescu: y u no last price anywhere? :( | [00:45] |
grazcoin | ;;auth grazcoin | [00:45] |
gribble | Request successful for user grazcoin, hostmask grazcoin!bce3e068@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.227.224.104. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:684c8ae818efe2c4adf849a0279fb85f596d895098d8fb3ae4abdc86 | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | well nobody asked. | [00:45] |
Azelphur | hehe | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | where d o you want it ? | [00:45] |
Azelphur | I dunno, where ever you feel is appropriate | [00:46] |
Azelphur | easiest for me would be in vwap | [00:46] |
grazcoin | ;;verify http://paste.debian.net/plain/179851/ | [00:46] |
gribble | You are now authenticated for user 'grazcoin' with key B29A528142A29BF9 | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | and lo and behold jurov : you are not alone. Azelphur is back from the dead and i think mod6 is also workijng on something | [00:46] |
Azelphur | mircea_popescu: nothing so grandiose, just upgrading mbot :) | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | Azelphur i don't really want to change old files. you'll prolly have a last trade json tomorro | [00:46] |
Azelphur | mircea_popescu: ok :) | [00:47] |
jurov | mircea, what do you think about the quirk i wrote above? | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | which one is that ? | [00:48] |
jurov | [23:37] |
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jurov | [23:37] |
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jurov | it will appear later | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | well what would you expect me to do about this quirk ? untangle the quantum nature of the universe ? | [00:49] |
jurov | untangling of quantum nature of mpex would suffice. can you tell me which delay should i use | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | i am actually contemplating getting rid of cancels outright. | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | they're a sickening load on the entire process. | [00:50] |
jurov | for making sure the new order appears in stat? | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | i think the problem here is moreover phylosophical. you expect to track your account by stats only. this is not the intended functioning. you should track your account by your own actions, and use the stat to verify this periodically. | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | you don't need me to tell you what you've done. | [00:51] |
jurov | if it's philosophically OK when you issue SELL at time T, get OK response and STAT at time T+1 get information about your balance as if nothing happened | [00:54] |
jurov | "with the stamp duly applied" | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | but you understand willy-nilly there will be a delay between the action and its reporting. | [00:55] |
jurov | Yessss. Precisely this delay I'm asking about. | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | for instance, if i send a sepa transfer right now | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | and look on my bank statement | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | IT WILL NOT BE THERE | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | but it will appear later. | [00:55] |
jurov | okay, but if it won't be there next day, you'll be worried. | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | well, it depends on a number of factors i have no control over, which is why instead of putting a silly rate limit on account operations | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | i prefer to leave it as it is now. doesn't it seem more sensible ? | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | yes, next day. but you don't mean "next day" by "quickly enough" do you ? | [00:56] |
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jurov | well, i did not mean to argue.. will experiment and determine the delay or other solution myself | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | in general it shouldn't be more than a second, but obviously depends on how the various processes involved are hit | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | is it in your experience often over a second or so ? | [00:59] |
jurov | yes, around a second | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. as order volumes pick up it might climb and then as i add servers drop and so on. | [01:00] |
mircea_popescu | i don't see another way around it tbh. | [01:00] |
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jurov | i understand... but am also frustrated i can't get two bots to share one acct reliably... with real users it would lead to major fuckups | [01:03] |
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mircea_popescu | well that i can understand. | [01:04] |
mircea_popescu | still, account sharing among bots would be a bit tricky in any approach. | [01:04] |
mircea_popescu | or maybe i dont understand exactly what you're trying to do | [01:05] |
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jurov | basically i'm trying in real time to reconstruct sequence of transactions and whatever in my account to be saved in sql database, the bots themselves are only tools for testing atm | [01:10] |
jurov | and was using STAT output to check my computed balances against(after now I'll stop doing that) | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | well it should work, if you have your computed balances and they don't fit the stat | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | ask for a new one | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | if they do fit the stat you're ok. | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | no good ? | [01:17] |
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jurov | mircea, yea something like that will do for testing. | [01:44] |
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jurov | but IRL it could hurt having to stop the world for a second or two whenever u need accurate numbers | [01:45] |
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jurov | anyway...was enough for today, goodnight | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | nighty | [01:49] |
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mircea_popescu | sgornick http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/tbu96/can_someone_eli5_how_glbse_stock_mpoeetf_works/ | [03:54] |
vodka | [ Can someone ELI5 how GLBSE stock MPOE.ETF works? : Bitcoin ] - http://www.reddit.com | [03:54] |
mircea_popescu | just happened upon that. pretty cool ! | [03:54] |
mircea_popescu | awww he's not even here | [03:55] |
smickles | that title seems to be calling me | [03:55] |
smickles | holy fuck, sgornick wrote a book on it | [03:56] |
mircea_popescu | yes! | [03:56] |
mircea_popescu | also, if anyone is on angel.co : https://angel.co/mpex | [03:57] |
vodka | [ MPEx - AngelList ] - https://angel.co | [03:57] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno if it's any good or anything, but im kinda curious and will be testing it out. | [03:57] |
smickles | "You are trusting that the MPOE.ETF will pass through the profits received, and will not claim the new iPad as a legitimate business expense" << or as it stands now, a car | [04:00] |
mircea_popescu | >D | [04:00] |
mircea_popescu | it's kinda funny cause people were going back in may, o, i wonder if i shouldinvest etc. | [04:00] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile price jumped a little. | [04:00] |
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mod6 | :D | [04:13] |
mod6 | sorry guys, i've been totally hammered with work these last few weeks. | [04:14] |
mod6 | I've been trying to follow along. | [04:14] |
mod6 | I am indeed working on a project for mpex too - BitOTTer an android tool | [04:15] |
mod6 | I have a ways to go before I have something for everyone to try out -- which I want to be a sort of alpha release where BitOTTer will show pricing graphs and market data | [04:17] |
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mod6 | I havent quite worked out all of the details yet about the beta/pro version -- but im sure I'll be talking more about it as I get closer. | [04:18] |
mod6 | <3 | [04:19] |
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Amiga4000 | grazcoin, aq83 und me? | [12:35] |
aq83 | Amiga4000, also schon 3 | [12:36] |
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* | phedny is looking to buy a card-reader that at a very minimum works with SDHC cards of 8 GB | [15:16] |
phedny | in .nl by the way :) | [15:17] |
Mqrius | I have this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/all-in-1-usb-2-0-sdhc-card-reader-max-16gb-25950?item=26 | [15:34] |
vodka | [ All-in-1 USB 2.0 SDHC Card Reader (Max. 16GB) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ] - http://www.dealextreme.com | [15:34] |
Mqrius | "- Support SDHC up to 16GB" | [15:34] |
Mqrius | It'll take a while to arrive though, from China | [15:35] |
phedny | then you don't have it | [15:35] |
Mqrius | I do have it. | [15:35] |
Mqrius | For you it will take a while to arrive. For me it has already taken a while to arrive :) | [15:35] |
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Mqrius | If it's just one-time use, I'm sure there's plenty of people with a laptop with cardreader next Wednesday :) | [15:36] |
phedny | it's not for one-time use | [15:37] |
phedny | my desktop PC has a reader, but SD is only compatible up to 2 GB | [15:37] |
phedny | and my notebook doesn't have a reader at all | [15:37] |
phedny | anyway, I discovered my newly acquired equipment has a USB interface and connecting it to my notebook allowed me to at least format the SD card and make the stuff work | [15:38] |
phedny | I just don't want to take the camera to my notebook everytime I want to copy a file | [15:38] |
Mqrius | Makes sense. Well the dealextreme one works, and is pretty cheap. | [15:41] |
phedny | yeah, I might just buy that one | [15:43] |
phedny | missed another chance to spend some BTC | [15:43] |
Mqrius | I think there's a guy on bitmit that sells dealextreme stuff for Bitcoin with some markup :P | [15:48] |
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smickles | ;;seen rg | [23:43] |
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