Forum logs for 20 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377799 << curse of the bezzletron	[00:06]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:42; pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi	[00:06]
ben_vulpes	"writing in languages i hate with people i love to be used by hominids i'd not waste a carrot on" or what was it	[00:07]
ben_vulpes	there's something about working nearly alone as a sniper versus together with some people you don't really hate all that much as fuel convoy unit	[00:09]
asciilifeform	mod6: very spiffy	[00:09]
mod6	thx alf	[00:09]
asciilifeform	mod6: consider refreshing http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html plox	[00:10]
assbot	VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )	[00:10]
mod6	its on the list, probably will when this latest thing is done.	[00:12]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378115 << how's that ?	[00:15]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 02:31:49; ben_vulpes: unless you want to make all os widgets take up vastly more space too	[00:15]
asciilifeform	and here i thought they actually had 100% relative coordinates ?	[00:15]
asciilifeform	(e.g., line thicknesses specified as % of screen size, etc)	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	no wai ?!	[00:17]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: your choices are to either diddle screen rez or 'zoom' on browser, non?	[00:17]
asciilifeform	the latter - typically ~works~	[00:17]
ben_vulpes	typically, and sort of.	[00:18]
ben_vulpes	lol bitcoin classic on slack	[00:18]
ben_vulpes	why do i even read this shit	[00:19]
asciilifeform	... to fall asleep ??	[00:19]
ben_vulpes	that's what gibson and pynchon and heller are for	[00:20]
ben_vulpes	and blowjobs	[00:20]
ben_vulpes	unrelatedly, people updated the coffee wheel: http://images.food52.com/qBXzPyzi3HfbetOfl2hlyAD27xg=/fit-in/800x0/89ba51e4-860b-4d4e-b692-e19b15e224d4--SCAA_FlavorWheel.01.18.15.jpg	[00:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SvJd4D )	[00:22]
asciilifeform	this...exists/!!!	[00:23]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform...is surprised?	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	"The situation has evolved. XT unfortunately didn't get the momentum that it should have had thanks to endless FUD/threats/censorship/ddosing etc"	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha THE SITUATION HAS EVOLVED.	[00:23]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform...lives in dc, probably thinks coffee comes in "burnt" and "not"	[00:24]
ben_vulpes	wine in "red" and "white	[00:24]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the 'not' is only available in one's own kitchen	[00:24]
asciilifeform	and only if you fry own beans	[00:25]
phf	as opposed to "artisanal" and "bespoken" as they differentiate things in portland	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	zing.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	someone's been drinking from kako's coffee mug.	[00:25]
asciilifeform	at $firm they have something like 7 ~different~ devices for making coffee.	[00:26]
asciilifeform	one of which is a frightening industrial thing that takes 'ammo' and is plumbed straight into the standpipe	[00:26]
asciilifeform	(you load it like a cannon)	[00:27]
asciilifeform	the rest are 'artisanal' kettles of various shapes and types, much glass, many small parts	[00:27]
ben_vulpes	you guys live in fucking zimbabwe	[00:29]
ben_vulpes	there is no artisanal anything, there are just a bunch of hipsters competing to roast beans well	[00:30]
ben_vulpes	and no you cannot roast them in your kitchen because you can't get the good shit because you don't buy by the teu	[00:30]
ben_vulpes	wtf	[00:30]
asciilifeform	aha prolly not	[00:31]
*	asciilifeform hasn't tried.	[00:31]
ben_vulpes	just takes a paint drying gun and some practice	[00:31]
*	ben_vulpes knows the guy who invented the field-roasting technique	[00:31]
ben_vulpes	'not' also available in my office, which i suppose doesn't count because also 'my kitchen'	[00:32]
*	ben_vulpes bought a new clever and a new kettle for the new staffers today to parallelize the coffee production	[00:33]
ben_vulpes	https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/abid/clever << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable	[00:33]
assbot	Attention Required! \| CloudFlare ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq6Eol )	[00:33]
asciilifeform	http://huel.com << related.	[00:33]
assbot	Huel \| Nutritionally Complete Powdered Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq6EEA )	[00:33]
asciilifeform	^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd')	[00:34]
asciilifeform	'Why we need Huel? We are in the middle of a food crisis. Modern food production methods are inefficient, inhumane, and unsustainable. The world produces 1.5 times enough food to feed every person on the planet, yet over 800 million people do not have enough food to eat. .... On top of that Britons are getting fatter and more unhealthy ...'	[00:34]
asciilifeform	sooo turns out that mircea_popescu was right about pretty much everything...	[00:35]
ben_vulpes	what now, peers and mempool?	[00:35]
asciilifeform	nah, the part where we get to die while eating (or not getting quite enough of) gloop.	[00:36]
ben_vulpes	what we	[00:37]
asciilifeform	i & the other inmates	[00:37]
asciilifeform	and anybody else who falls in.	[00:38]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378169 << i think we have this on the grounds ! but it was of glass	[00:39]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 03:32:27; ben_vulpes: https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/abid/clever << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	you been saying that a lot lately.	[00:40]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: you'd have a simple pour-over, not an immersion hybrid.	[00:41]
asciilifeform	incidentally i'd actually rather have a plastic flask than one of faux pyrex	[00:41]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: do please link	[00:41]
asciilifeform	(the brand 'pyrex' now refers to NON-BOROSILICATE!!11111 glass!11)	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	!s was right	[00:41]
assbot	682 results for 'was right' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=was+right	[00:41]
asciilifeform	yes, it is now able to crack under thermal stress	[00:41]
ben_vulpes	it is a /brand/ name	[00:41]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aha. ~actual~ borosilicate pyrex is extinct now, outside of a lab	[00:42]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: ah i see	[00:42]
ben_vulpes	https://mentalfloss.atavist.com/secrets-of-the-mit-poker-course << intriqued to hear what the poker afficionados have to say	[00:42]
assbot	Secrets of the MIT Poker Course ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq73qM )	[00:42]
ben_vulpes	ahahaha	[00:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not-from-a-good-life, i was forced to leave my damaged capsule, suit up, and go to the merciless, meteorite-pocked surface where mircea_popescu was right !	[00:43]
asciilifeform	in every crater !	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	cheapo if desperate trick to get imbecile white ustards to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be transferred to their pudgy skins ?	[00:43]
ben_vulpes	from the bikeportland followup: "Hagg said he thinks the solution to problems like that is to drive troublemakers away." << even the motherfucking /bums/ know that you have to drive the worthless fucks off if anyone's to have a decent party.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean even. only the bums know.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	next up: tricks of the Doom masters.	[00:45]
*	asciilifeform had 'tricks of the unix masters', old maculature crud, on his shelf as a student, and an actual greybeard saw, asked 'where is your 'tricks of the doom masters' to go next to this'	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	:D	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	apt.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378200 << very respectable former su prof of physics, teaching at a certain mega-uni in boston, once informed me that the typical 'attention span' of american undergrad is about 6 min.	[00:48]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 03:42:08; mircea_popescu: cheapo if desperate trick to get imbecile white ustards to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be transferred to their pudgy skins ?	[00:48]
asciilifeform	can take this, or leave it.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	i was half hoping hearn would get together with the bitcoin wife and that impossibly named, horsefaced washington staffer chick and create a hot love triangle of "How I created Bitcoin successfully, a guide" "Level your DB" etc.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	all bestsellers, show up on regis and what's the cunt's name, the whole nine miles.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not enough for a single block even.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	aha.	[00:51]
phf	не веришь, прими за сказку	[00:51]
asciilifeform	^	[00:51]
asciilifeform	сказка ложь да в ней намёк добрым молодцам урок (tm) (r)	[00:52]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378027 << i shit thee not, personally knew a chick who wanked to rms but - afaik - never mustered the courage to write to him	[00:54]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 01:59:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1377944 << it is possible rms never sexed.	[00:54]
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asciilifeform	so it is conceivable	[00:54]
asciilifeform	perhaps rms relies on... bees ?	[00:54]
asciilifeform	for pollination.	[00:55]
phf	so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt	[00:58]
asciilifeform	i have heard these same legends.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	though, according to the man's autobio material, he was a 'square' in the 1960s	[00:59]
asciilifeform	physics student with 'horn glasses' etc.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	no political acts at all.	[01:00]
*	asciilifeform bbl.	[01:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.00056526 = 36.3462 BTC [-] {3}	[01:01]
BingoBoingo	^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd') << /me does breakfast as powder	[01:11]
phf	sick gains	[01:11]
BingoBoingo	Well, need the caffeine from instant coffee mixed in to have the energy to make a pot of brewed coffee	[01:13]
BingoBoingo	It's also not like I can go into the yard and pluck a tomatoe for breakfast in the middle of winter	[01:14]
*	BingoBoingo still in recovery. It is through the strategic superiority of #b-a that I stopped being a drunk ass online in time to enjoy the irony of USGToomim Mark M be a stoned ass online	[01:19]
phf	i know a few aa people, seems like it helped them to get their drinking under control	[01:25]
BingoBoingo	It seems to work better for some people than others.	[01:25]
phf	i know this guy, a master carpenter, he builds wooden structures at burning man (infrastructural stuff, not "art"). he's been clean for 30 years now, but it's a constant aa-ing for him. "an acoholic can never be free", etc. i guess it's working for him, but it's hell of depressing mindset	[01:28]
BingoBoingo	Eh, he's also weighing it against the alternative.	[01:29]
BingoBoingo	Some people, like prolly myself, prolly really shouldn't be drinking.	[01:29]
BingoBoingo	At least not in American society as it is presently structured	[01:30]
BingoBoingo	But I was born too late to be a Viking beserker	[01:30]
phf	i agree, for all the jokes about russian vodka, this is a country of functioning alcoholics, with no outlet.	[01:33]
phf	9-5, couple of beers to wind down, friday evening everyone gets shit faced at a bar, year after year.	[01:34]
phf	combined with sedentary lifestyle..	[01:35]
danielpbarron	http://www.atruechurch.info/aa.html >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one.	[01:35]
assbot	A True Church - Alcoholics Anonymous ... ( http://bit.ly/1UayU3A )	[01:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80661 @ 0.00056059 = 45.2177 BTC [-] {2}	[01:36]
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BingoBoingo	Given the demographic, I doubt the 12 steps could help very many alcoholics and addicts if they were stictly remade in A True Church (TM)(R)	[01:39]
mats	rofl	[01:39]
mats	>But I was born too late to be a Viking beserker	[01:39]
danielpbarron	nobody can be helped if God hasn't created them for the purpose of being helped.	[01:41]
BingoBoingo	Maybe at some point a few people can graduate from AA to A True Church, but atm I am happy with the job Brodin the Allspotter is doing as my higher power. Wheymen.	[01:41]
BingoBoingo	Anyways in Chapter 5 of the Big Book "How It Works" they mention the goal is spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection.	[01:44]
mats	can emigrate to hood and go into battle whenever you feel like it	[01:44]
danielpbarron	it's a false spirit, one that doesn't save	[01:45]
BingoBoingo	Bill W's ibogaine trip in the hospital seemed to work enoug to get the ball rolling.	[01:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93400 @ 0.00055675 = 52.0005 BTC [-] {2}	[01:48]
ben_vulpes	wheymen	[01:50]
danielpbarron	>> The influence of the A.A. society has been massive and widespread. A.A. cooperates with a large variety of groups which includes the U. S. court system. Judges often order people to be involved in A.A. as a part of a rehabilitation effort.	[01:50]
BingoBoingo	The courts system is more inflicted upon AA.	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	People sent by the courts often aren't ready for step 1 and many times violate the criteria for membership by not having a desire to quit drinking as outlined in tradition 3.	[01:52]
danielpbarron	>> 12. - And finally, we of Alcoholics Anonymous believe that the principle of anonymity has an immense spiritual significance.	[01:53]
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BingoBoingo	Or course AA was Anons before chantards were. "Principles before Personalities"	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	Also some people relapse which would be embarassing in the organization had a bunch of public faces.	[01:55]
danielpbarron	but they are anon for the exact same reason >> They keep it anonymous, because they are evil and they do not want themselves and their evil deeds to be exposed, as it is written, Everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. (John 3:20)	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	It is written in the Big Book "Many of us exclaimed, "What an order! I can't go through with it." Do not be discouraged. No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles. We are not saints. The point is, that we are willing to grow along spiritual lines. The principles we have set down are guides to progress. We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection." page 60	[01:58]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[02:03]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 376.26, vol: 9283.33253127 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.838, vol: 5714.56935 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 381.31, vol: 19090.40775517 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 356.88, vol: 1.15686788 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 384.83056, vol: 38619.08910000 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 387.807, vol: 73.5997454 \| Volume-weighted last average: 382.660080494	[02:03]
*	ben_vulpes is enjoying the bible vs. big book citation spats	[02:05]
BingoBoingo	lol	[02:05]
phf	i've literally just made popcorn	[02:05]
trinque	hail satan	[02:05]
danielpbarron	either you are a liar claiming to believe in a false god that you know doesn't really exist, or you actually believe in the false god. In either case, your "spiritual progress" is not towards the truth but rather a damning lie.	[02:07]
BingoBoingo	There's a difference between searching to stay out of the next life and trying to get to not dying in this one. p44 chapter 4 "We Agnostics" But it isn't so difficult. About half our original fellowship were of exactly that type. At first some of us tried to avoid the issue, hoping against hope we were not true alcoholics. But after a while we had to face the fact that we must find a spiritual basis of life - or else. Perhaps it i	[02:08]
BingoBoingo	s going to be that way with you. But cheer up, something like half of us thought we were atheists or agnostics. Our experience shows that you need not be disconcerted."	[02:08]
BingoBoingo	But, for srs. If I go back to drinking as I did it's only a matter of time before my portal vein blows out.	[02:10]
ben_vulpes	hail brodin	[02:11]
BingoBoingo	In the battle between living to see socialist stomped and drinking as I please... sober relflection demands I do the former instead of the later.	[02:11]
danielpbarron	or you might find the truth >> Proverbs 31:6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those who are bitter of heart.	[02:12]
ben_vulpes	danielpbarron: it's a particular reprogramming that doesn't have much to do with the bible.	[02:12]
ben_vulpes	abdicating choice to someone/something that is "not you" lies at the heart of the thing.	[02:13]
phf	that's the sensible perspective, but i take it there's an ideological bad blood. this is not first time i've seen christian attack aa.	[02:13]
ben_vulpes	danielpbarron: have you ever spent much time with the twelve steppers?	[02:13]
danielpbarron	no	[02:13]
ben_vulpes	so leave off	[02:13]
danielpbarron	alcohol has never been my poison	[02:13]
ben_vulpes	phf: they hear "higher power" and lose their shit.	[02:13]
trinque	"there can be only one!"	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	"but it's not the twoooo gawwwwd!"	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	lookee, nobody cares.	[02:14]
danielpbarron	true gods or not, AA claims to be a non-religious organization and this is a lie	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	you've not done the twelve steps, how would you know.	[02:15]
BingoBoingo	It depends on the definition of religion used.	[02:15]
ben_vulpes	you've not talked with twelve steppers about what 'higher power' means, how would you know.	[02:15]
danielpbarron	do I also need to murder to know whether that was right or not?	[02:15]
BingoBoingo	It's right if you are Abraham	[02:15]
danielpbarron	I do not need to talk to anyone. I have their own published literature to go by.	[02:16]
ben_vulpes	you're way over there in your church of self-righteous unexamined life, examining everyone else from a pillar of plugged ears and closed eyes.	[02:16]
danielpbarron	you are hypocritically judging me, ben_vulpes	[02:16]
danielpbarron	I am more critical of myself than anyone else	[02:16]
ben_vulpes	hypocritically how?	[02:16]
BingoBoingo	Ah, but the published literature misses "sponsorship"	[02:16]
ben_vulpes	i judge liberally	[02:16]
phf	that's how they do in portland	[02:16]
danielpbarron	nothing wrong with judging, but you are the one who suggested I am in the wrong for doing exactly that	[02:17]
ben_vulpes	read just a skosh closer dude	[02:17]
ben_vulpes	for not actually talking to the practitioners	[02:17]
*	BingoBoingo only laments he hasn't found the meetings with the pretty girls so he can be 13th stepped	[02:17]
danielpbarron	I reject your premise that these people need to be talked to in order for me to know they are wrong	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	"o i dun need to talk to them, i read some ancient texts. this is how we do in my church so it's the right way to do things elsewhere."	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	you assume you know what they mean by higher power man	[02:18]
trinque	it is the mechanism of submission, plain and simple.	[02:18]
*	BingoBoingo can see nothing wrong in a way of life that offers him the possibility of living to see socialism crushed	[02:19]
trinque	how one can see how it works in "the church" and not elsewhere is a matter of selective blindness.	[02:19]
ben_vulpes	"higher power must mean what i mean by god, and so therefore HEWETICS"	[02:19]
trinque	plus satan has way better music.	[02:19]
danielpbarron	I assume nothing. They say themselves what "higher power" means >> Because of the A.A. policy of a "God, as we understand Him," A.A. is a den of demonic activity. In the booklet, Conscious Contact, they write, . . . there are probably as many different ideas about a Higher Power, or God, as there are people in Twelve Step programs. (p. 8)	[02:19]
ben_vulpes	oh right those three letters	[02:20]
ben_vulpes	i guess you're right then	[02:20]
BingoBoingo	Not everone can be Abraham to take the trip to Moriah	[02:20]
*	ben_vulpes imagines danielpbarron getting a hold of a mistranslation of other ancient texts, declaring fatwa	[02:21]
BingoBoingo	Who can have faith as Abraham, the father of faith did?	[02:21]
danielpbarron	you can	[02:21]
phf	this is similar to concept of ishvara, i.e. a true divinity of chosen denomination, from the yoga sutras. it's the idea that interpretation allows for non yhvh	[02:21]
phf	that irks christian missionaries and such	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: I can't even get to infinite resignation yet.	[02:22]
danielpbarron	who says you should?	[02:23]
*	BingoBoingo pulls out "Fear and Trembling" which I've been reading as a part of step three	[02:23]
BingoBoingo	Eh, my copy's not in the original language. Could be a bad translation.	[02:25]
ben_vulpes	phf: there can only be one!1	[02:25]
trinque	and definitely isn't you!	[02:26]
BingoBoingo	In other news, our Nigerian Prince is at a loss for words http://qntra.net/2016/01/recent-bitcoin-direction/#comment-41474	[02:26]
assbot	Recent Bitcoin Direction \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjBWgl )	[02:26]
ben_vulpes	trinque: danielpbarron has the /truth/ you see	[02:27]
ben_vulpes	from these scrolls	[02:27]
trinque	pack it in boys; we're done here.	[02:27]
trinque	group of sheep fuckers that were excluded from the interesting happenings of their own time wrote down all the facts of life	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	You know... It would prolly be easier to V-ify the Big Book for provenance than an English Bible translation.	[02:29]
ben_vulpes	hey now trinque insanely long book of retarded rules says no fucking sheep, nobody fucked sheep that's racist	[02:30]
*	BingoBoingo actually envies danielpbarron his faith	[02:30]
trinque	ben_vulpes: you gotta read between the lines mang	[02:31]
trinque	if it bothers to prohibit sheep fucking... there was sheep fucking	[02:31]
trinque	that's a hard rule of history right there	[02:31]
ben_vulpes	NO	[02:31]
*	ben_vulpes plugs ears, sings	[02:31]
*	BingoBoingo though seriously has to start exploring new meetings to find the ones with the pretty girls, so that he may be 13th stepped.	[02:31]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: hasn't found the sex addict 12-step groups yet?	[02:32]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Those seem to be a coastal thing	[02:32]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu linked a lulzy story about rape fantasizers visiting those	[02:32]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: weird, i was under the impression they went to 'munches' on the coast	[02:33]
ben_vulpes	8192 goddamn inodes	[02:33]
ben_vulpes	woo	[02:33]
*	BingoBoingo not totally up on the lingo	[02:33]
phf	like where you carpet munch?	[02:34]
BingoBoingo	;;nethash	[02:35]
gribble	848586253.592	[02:35]
ben_vulpes	some no doubt derpy bdsm get-together	[02:35]
ben_vulpes	i'm sure fails to measure up to mircea_popescu's discriminating eye in some way or another	[02:36]
ben_vulpes	> sheep fuckers	[02:38]
ben_vulpes	hey man i have cohen markers i'll have you know	[02:38]
BingoBoingo	Hey, some of those sheep fuckers were Jews	[02:39]
ben_vulpes	original sheepfuckers no doubt	[02:39]
punkman	"I was only trying to help that sheep over the fence!"	[02:40]
ben_vulpes	you see that bank over there?	[02:43]
ben_vulpes	and you know the other one over in mecca?	[02:44]
ben_vulpes	i built those and five more just like them throughout the fertile crescent.	[02:44]
ben_vulpes	but do they call me isaac the banker?	[02:44]
trinque	punkman │ "I was only trying to help that sheep over the fence!" << wahahaha	[02:46]
trinque	hey my ancestors were romans; I'm sure they fucked all kinds of things	[02:46]
trinque	or why do anything at all!	[02:46]
ben_vulpes	hey it's warm and concave	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	http://www.overclock.net/t/1470209/maxcoin-tips-for-highest-performance	[02:58]
assbot	Maxcoin tips for highest performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wta4gN )	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	^ Keccak mining info	[03:04]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.mersenne.org/primes/?press=M74207281	[03:18]
assbot	Mersenne Prime Discovery - 2^74207281-1 is Prime! ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtbWq2 )	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.bbet	[03:26]
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BingoBoingo	lulz https://archive.is/nqGql	[04:19]
assbot	BITMAIN announces Antpool ... ( http://bit.ly/1n91kQS )	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	Let's time warp back to M Toomim's spam from January 2015 still pimping the voting site https://archive.is/9xAJS	[04:30]
assbot	Consider.it - Radical new Election System is Ready! (general discussion) - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1n92agp )	[04:31]
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fluffypony	https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41aocn/httpsbitcoinorgenbitcoincorecapacityincreases_why/cz0z9ym	[05:40]
assbot	throckmortonsign comments on https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases Why is a hard fork still necessary? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UaVglM )	[05:40]
fluffypony	if there's a contentious fork then Bitcoin Core will fork to change the PoW	[05:41]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Discussion started when luke made a troll submission to change the "classic" POW and MP said in channel he wouldn't go to war over proof of work change which he later elaborated on Trilema and which was pointed out on QNtra.	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	Gotta keep up with the news.	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	But hopefully there enough sanity in the pools to keep the trigger from being pulled.	[05:50]
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BingoBoingo	Because another decade of this standoff would be just swell	[05:51]
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jurov	haha enjoyed the logs	[08:35]
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jurov	http://mashable.com/2016/01/19/snow-penis/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#9BzlEeDTxgqs	[09:14]
assbot	Giant snow penis baffles Swedish town ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow9yfa )	[09:14]
jurov	"Unfortunately for those trying to eradicate the member, the snow penis was on thin ice, literally."	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	lol	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	hm is this thing even on ?	[09:20]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/27/ceos/ << was re-reading, not bad huh.	[09:26]
assbot	CEO \| Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Prx0fE )	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378216 << incidentally, anyone know the french version of this ?	[09:30]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 03:51:04; asciilifeform: сказка ложь да в ней намёк добрым молодцам урок (tm) (r)	[09:30]
mircea_popescu	i'm particularly fond of that particular expression of the concept.	[09:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378222 << was this before or after he was petrified of cacti and wouldn't wash ? also cat'd from same source.	[09:31]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 03:57:35; phf: so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, maybe they make womanhood differently in teh 2nd best korea, but from what i've seen poor hygiene is an absolute bar for sexual congress.	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	let it further be reflected in teh republican record that having been in a position to both hear the student body consensus on which of the undegrad sluts fucked which profs as well as through personally being induced in the professoral social circle actually see with mine own eyes the reality of the matter, there's always some exaggeration afoot.	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	profs do fuck students on occasion (as they well should), but that occasion is rarer than it would be reasonably expected. meanwhile the student body gossip is almost entirely driven by the overactive sexual imagination of the undersexed bois. if the same bois were mere stable hands, relegated to hard labour and a bed of hay in the barn, just like their proud antecessors actually were, you'd be hearing stories about ho	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	w the daughters of the lady of the house fucked the bull.	[09:36]
shinohai	http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-crime-bitcoin-idUSKCN0UY0V8	[09:41]
assbot	Dutch arrest 10 men suspected of using Bitcoin to launder money	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if they voted in any of the numerous redditconsensuses to date.	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	"Hoen said the actual drug sellers were the subject of a continuing investigation by the country's drug squad, although 15 kilograms of chemical precursors for the manufacture of Ecstasy were found in raids on Tuesday."	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	ah, launder bs. pill dealers.	[09:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80861 @ 0.00055992 = 45.2757 BTC [-]	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	apparently that stuff is still as huge in the yurp as it was in the disco boom era.	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	you'd think the so called fashion drugs actually obeyed some sort of fashion cyclicity.	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	"According to an account in De Telegraaf newspaper, which was invited to witness the raids, the men were caught due to large amounts of money being frequently deposited into their bank accounts and then quickly withdrawn in cash from ATMs."	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[09:44]
shinohai	I am glad my drug needs are relatively simple. X never made the list.	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	In all more than 250 law enforcement officials participated in Tuesday's raids. << 20mn / 250 means productivity per capita for "law enforcement official" is about 80k. basically they wouldn't pull their weight as engineers, barely qualified to work for mcdonalds.	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	i think that's about what average mcd employee pulls in for the comp.	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378233 << - >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378230	[09:46]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 04:17:53; *: BingoBoingo still in recovery. It is through the strategic superiority of #b-a that I stopped being a drunk ass online in time to enjoy the irony of USGToomim Mark M be a stoned ass online	[09:46]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 04:10:37; phf: sick gains	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	for srsly.	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378236 << you realise that's mostly the marketing of the "aa" thing, right ? "let's find these addictive personalities at their most vulnerable and try to replace their addiction of choice with a bland surogate that promotes our self-interest".	[09:47]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 04:26:44; phf: i know this guy, a master carpenter, he builds wooden structures at burning man (infrastructural stuff, not "art"). he's been clean for 30 years now, but it's a constant aa-ing for him. "an acoholic can never be free", etc. i guess it's working for him, but it's hell of depressing mindset	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	in fairfness, they didn't think this out, merely copied the church, but nevertheless.	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	learned helplessness.	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	(and also castration, because that's the deep content there, "do not dare be a man, men can sin". yeah, i'm sure, let's all be women and have things "just happen and occur to us" and hold hands and be victims. anyone say rape's inevitable in this context ? BURN THE WITCH!!1)	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378253 << he has a point you know. takes all of half an hour to make this switch, be a berserker for the rest of your life. and his choice of venue is wise, too. nigga prolly throw you mad respects for the move, because it'd be as far as anyone has EVER seen, or heard tale told, the FIRST case a pale face did something.	[09:51]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 04:43:39; mats: can emigrate to hood and go into battle whenever you feel like it	[09:51]
*	mircea_popescu recalls they'd have rather re-interpret me as muslim than face the incredible notion that there exist sane whitey.	[09:52]
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asciilifeform	quite unrelated, but lulzy, https://unreddit.com	[09:58]
assbot	unreddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1V8deVW )	[09:58]
asciilifeform	(the stratfor link alone is hilarious. somehow i missed this.)	[09:59]
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mircea_popescu	i can't fucking believe how inadequate emacs is for playwriting.	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	suppose i want to see what solarino said. what, do i grep ? what if i want to see his grammar, regexp ?! suppose i want to see his rare word usage, what do i do, perl from a list ?	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	whenever man sits down to do anything, man discovers that he is in all likelihood the first man to have ever sat down to do that one thing.	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	i dunno wtf all those dudes fixated on virginity in their women don't get into programming. fucking virgin field as far as the eye can see, it could be 1815 for all anyone'd know.	[10:18]
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mircea_popescu	in unrelated (really ?) news, two simultaneous (as in, same second) okcupid messages : GEUINEME, 59, Straight, Woman, Single, 160cm from Miami FL says "You are disgusting ugly piece of humanity !!!! Men like you should be castrated thrown in the desert to be lost forever with never a chance of seeing Another human being." whereas ZenRoots, 23, Straight, Man, Single from Lacey, WA says "Dude what your badass. Keep livin	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	g it". we thank our listeners and now invite you to enjoy together with us the infinite blue!	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r76ZvfmjVS0	[10:23]
assbot	Angela Similea - Un albastru infinit (regia Viorel Sergovici) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1V8gMaS )	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "Connecting to reddit failed. Double check the url"	[10:26]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378263 << quite exactly that. anonymity is infantilizing.	[10:29]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 04:54:26; BingoBoingo: Also some people relapse which would be embarassing in the organization had a bunch of public faces.	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378268 << hear, hear.	[10:30]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:03:53; *: ben_vulpes is enjoying the bible vs. big book citation spats	[10:30]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[10:31]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 396.12, Best ask: 396.69, Bid-ask spread: 0.57000, Last trade: 396.68, 24 hour volume: 29769.57211061, 24 hour low: 375.01, 24 hour high: 399.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	o noes! but bitcoin was dying because lolz, and then it recovered because why ?! WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED!	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	fucktards. don't even own enough dough to buy my flock stockings.	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	biggest country in the world [of our imagination]	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378287 << technically the view is as to HIGHEST power, not as to higher power. the idea that there may be no intermediation between god and man is a relatively novel innovation, broadly specific to anglo neoprotestants. (in this context "anglo" means mostly means dutch)	[10:34]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:12:46; trinque: "there can be only one!"	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	otherwise the doctrine as well as the history is fulla intermediations and intermediants.	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378290 << consider my objection with the ponzi talk ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377844 ). it's an absurd notion, this. all metaphysics can be reframed as "a religious discussion", arguing as to whether it is or it isn't is fundamentally defective (and keeping discussions strictly physical is extremely difficult, even for trained practitioners, which	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	is why science sucks and math blows).	[10:36]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:13:28; danielpbarron: true gods or not, AA claims to be a non-religious organization and this is a lie	[10:36]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 23:22:41; mircea_popescu: (in the other view : all currency is always and necessarily a ponzi scheme. and "fraudulent" in a sense.)	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	which is why nobody bothers to engage the derps going "bitcoin/b-a/whatever is a cult!11". sure, whatever, it's a cult. not as much as your "feminism" "environment" "government" "state will save us" blabla.	[10:37]
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mircea_popescu	more broadly, there's no merit in trying to hold categorical discussions with idiots, they're both incapable of keeping the categories straight and also believe that their "best weapon" is to muddy them up.	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	usually an unconscious belief, but nevertheless, all-permeating.	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378294 << technically, yes. consider any fanatic dude going "oh, if i only had the opportunity to kill hiltler before he could do all that damage!!1" gets his opportunity and is now explaining to a munchen court why he dispatched the 9yo boy with a pickaxe. what do you say, "i guess it's one of those where you had to be there" ?	[10:43]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:14:18; danielpbarron: do I also need to murder to know whether that was right or not?	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the thing to do is "raise awareness" on reddit, get 51% of "the people" to agree the forked history is better off and then there you go, consensus has been achieved and all is well.	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	the irony of this being EXACTLY how it works out in practice being why we even made laws to begin with is of course lost on the proponents.	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	but, let us quote for the memory of it. "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears - I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him."	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	"Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest – For Brutus is an honourable man; so are they all, all honourable men – come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me, but Brutus says he was ambitious and Brutus is an honourable man."	[10:49]
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jurov	hi Tomiii hows hawaii?	[11:30]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] There has not yet been seen a simple thing, even if we're drowning in simple people. - http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/	[11:53]
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mircea_popescu	and incidentallty, where does one find brideshead revisited text ? why, on lib.ru, of course. http://www.lib.ru/WO/brajdshed_engl.txt	[12:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1T4J6fO )	[12:02]
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mircea_popescu	BRAJDS HED!	[12:02]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378303 << bwahahaha the zingers!	[12:04]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:15:35; phf: that's how they do in portland	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378313 << technically speaking, the definition of church is such that there can not be a "somewhere else".	[12:05]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:17:51; trinque: how one can see how it works in "the church" and not elsewhere is a matter of selective blindness.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	in this reading, the bunch of socialist, liberal, rights-and-whatevers, equality-and-environment folk are self-excommunicated, ie they can't take part in the workings of the church. which, judging by the devil-fell-in-holy-water level of hysteria displayed when they encounter submission etc, may not even be that far off.	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378315 << ow god, you actually listened to the "satanist" crap ? it's god-awful. heavy metal is one thing, but more iron maiden less weirdo guttural dudes.	[12:08]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:18:28; trinque: plus satan has way better music.	[12:08]
bagels7	How does this WoT feel about racial prejudice?	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	as in ?	[12:09]
bagels7	as in don't lend money to black people because they don't pay back	[12:11]
trinque	https://youtu.be/HNPpZMo-Q58 << maiden rules, but I still like this	[12:11]
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assbot	Mors Principium Est - Bringer Of Light - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T4LjIa )	[12:11]
trinque	a you don't youtube	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378346 << sex addiction only exists in sheep.	[12:12]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:30:51; ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hasn't found the sex addict 12-step groups yet?	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 that's pretty ridiculous.	[12:12]
bagels7	my black friend told me "this is a black house DUH" in response to her BF robbing me at his mothers house	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	aw come on, melodic finns and satanism. unfair!	[12:13]
trinque	heh!	[12:13]
bagels7	the white people who robbed me were crackheads who I trusted with my phone, that's my fault	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 quite.	[12:13]
bagels7	if you aren't racist you probably never lent money to a black guy	[12:13]
jurov	bagels7: the wot is mightily prejudiced against WASPs :D	[12:14]
bagels7	jurov: good^	[12:14]
bagels7	I was a brainwashed jehovah witness, it's a wonder I am not a zealot today	[12:14]
jurov	also, maybe self-professed niggers liek thestringpuller can say sth about it	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	uh im pretty sure i lent money to black dudes, actually.	[12:14]
kakobrekla	all my nonpayers were white.	[12:16]
bagels7	my employer is black and he is the only one that is trustworthy, He said that out of 30 girls im the only trustworthy one but IDK if he was being nice but probably not	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, what your barely-literate friend was trying to convey was that he and his friends regard themselves as sovereign and outside the common mores of fucktardation and idiocy (conveniently equated with white society), and as such pussies get taken in. which is what happened to you. which makes sense, in that context, and has exactly 0 to do with color and everything to do with what you represent as "sexual orientati	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	on" and they represent as a fundamental failure to thrive.	[12:16]
bagels7	my gay/black roomate is going to pay me back the 350 dollars he owes me when it "comes out of his ass". I am never lending money again	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	o yes you will.	[12:17]
jurov	bagels7: he asks you for anal probing in other words, no reason to refuse	[12:17]
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mircea_popescu	homosexuality is a complicated thang.	[12:18]
bagels7	jurov: funny, but no, he's not into me, he has a bf now and is a jerk about it like coming in my room to make out then leave, which is inconsiderate considering I am seperated recently	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	o ? how did you break up ?	[12:19]
jurov	he's not a jerk, you're a cuck if you allow him	[12:20]
bagels7	real fucking bad, alcohol, violence, cops coming and him going to jail for the weekend for being violent with cops	[12:20]
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mircea_popescu	aww.	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	move to wash, dc. everyone else is doing it.	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	maybe you meet a nice aide or something... you never know.	[12:21]
bagels7	He is like 250 lbs jurov and he does treat me like a child but he is a bigger spoiled child who claims to be a victim of society while calling his mother every other day. this one time he didnt talk to me for 3 days because we forgot to share a joint with him, and now he is not talking to me because I said "oh fuck off" in response to him calling me fat after i told him not to tell me	[12:21]
bagels7	that	[12:21]
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bagels7	Like if he really had a hard life like me my dad would beat that arrogance out of him and those disgusting childish manipulating games wouldn't work	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378353 << i've once been to a bdsm munch by the boston bdsm munching society. it was pretty pitiful.	[12:23]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 05:32:55; phf: like where you carpet munch?	[12:23]
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mircea_popescu	for the record, https://www.google.com/search?q=%22but+do+they+call+me+isaac+the+banker%3F%22	[12:25]
assbot	"but do they call me isaac the banker?" - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1T4PbJ7 )	[12:25]
bagels7	I lived with a BDSM guy by accident and It was the easiest time of my life, I took a 100 dollar taxi ride to a complete stranger i met online the same day because it was midnight and I was in a bad neighborhood on the streets. I didn't know he was an "experienced BDSM master"	[12:25]
trinque	oh god, that google result's summary.. teh lulz overfloweth	[12:26]
bagels7	I would rather be a sexual slave and get raped everyday than go through "childhood" again	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	i think we has won a google.	[12:27]
punkman	heh	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 this view is a lot more common than generally realised.	[12:27]
bagels7	!search fascism	[12:28]
assbot	40 results for 'fascism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fascism	[12:28]
bagels7	mircea_popescu thanks, I feel better about it now thought im still sick of poor black people playing victim when they aren't willing to do my job	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	!up Xplosionist	[12:30]
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Xplosionist	Thanks, mircea_popescu.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[12:31]
Xplosionist	The bet for redskins was resolved, and the 48 hours passed, but the payout to my address hasn't shown up.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	bagels7 what people claim has naught to do with anything else other than what it pays to claim. if society pays for being a victim, they;ll claim being a victim. a century ago when it paid being a winner, you couldn't get out of talk about how winnery they are. whatevs.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	Xplosionist link ?	[12:31]
Xplosionist	clicking on the address in the bet shows the last transaction was a previous one from another bet on jan 10.	[12:32]
Xplosionist	https://bitbet.us/bet/1172/washington-redskins-will-win-more-2015-season-games/	[12:32]
assbot	BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No \| closed 2 weeks 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYMkOy )	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	to your bet, man.	[12:32]
Xplosionist	https://bitbet.us/bet/1172/washington-redskins-will-win-more-2015-season-games/#b3	[12:32]
assbot	BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No \| closed 2 weeks 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkgQ1A )	[12:32]
Xplosionist	I know there was a way to see transactions, I thought there was, but I don't see it. Just the link to my payment address which shows no transaction matching the one I expect./	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d219234f59dda8efe3ee00dd363b7c642cfac41e170a53e96ea6754247a19c28/ <<	[12:33]
assbot	BTC Transaction d219234f59dda8efe3ee00dd363b7c642cfac41e170a53e96ea6754247a19c28	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	there's some weirdness afoot.	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	supposedly the txn is doublespent but i can't find the supposed doublespender in mempool.	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	will be looking into this.	[12:33]
Xplosionist	Thanks. I assumed it was something odd that had happened.	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah, thanks for pointing out.	[12:34]
Xplosionist	np!	[12:34]
Xplosionist	Did you find that from the bitbet page, link to that transaction? If so, where is that?	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	nah, i know what txn to look for from the payout logs, and then see what webservice shows it. no way you can do this yourself, really.	[12:35]
Xplosionist	K. Thanks. Just had thought i was missing something when I was trying to track it myself.	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is ever more broken, while these derps "raise awareness" about how to fix hallucinated problems we don't have.	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, what can you do. foss.	[12:36]
punkman	in ewe-ther news http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/19/lamb-chop-weight-enforcers-want-warrantless-access-to-australians-metadata	[12:37]
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assbot	Lamb chop weight enforcers want warrantless access to Australians’ metadata \| World news \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkhhsB )	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[12:37]
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ascii_butugychag	hey Xplosionist !	[12:37]
ascii_butugychag	Xplosionist: $slavefarm implode yet ?	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	"A spokeswoman for the NMI, Yen Heng, referred questions about its application to the attorney general’s department." yeah, this makes sense.	[12:38]
Xplosionist	Hey there!	[12:39]
Xplosionist	And no, but it's getting closer. They kinda screwed me over in December, so I'm shopping.	[12:39]
Xplosionist	All in all, things are looking okay. Just lots more staff in SF, and nothing promising for the eng staff in MD.	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	Santoshi International Pty Ltd: Pleaded guilty to “shortfalls of up to 50% in prepacked spices”. Fined $3,000. << no value backing the bitcoin ? i beg to differ! backed by 50% spice!	[12:40]
ascii_butugychag	Xplosionist: i suspected you might be the last one in that shop	[12:42]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: 'the spice must flow' (tm) (r) ('dune')	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	ok, so time for me to admit defeat, and come to humbly beseech the masters of computer craft far more advanced than me. here's the story (brace yourselves) :	[12:44]
Xplosionist	ascii_butugychag: no, there've been two new hires here in the last 18 months. But, try as I might during my official stint as manager in 2015, I couldn't hire any more.	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	given is a text file, worth ~1.5 GB, containing a) reliable record separator ; b) a profile name ; c) the textual content of the profile in question.	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	required is a list of all profile names whose profile textual content matches a certain string.	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	how is this done ?! obviously, "turn it into a sql thing somehow and sql it", but no, i mean in bash.	[12:46]
Xplosionist	mircea_popescu is there a good field separator?	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	if you make it into a single line and try to then use sed to recreate lines by the separator, sed silently dies	[12:46]
Xplosionist	if the record separator is a newline, then I think I'd use awk.	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	(grep also dies, but not silently - lack of memory, supposedly, because it's badly written)	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	Xplosionist you specifically can not rely on newlines because they are used in the profile text.	[12:47]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: 'split'	[12:47]
Xplosionist	okay. what is the record separator?	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	if you use csplit to create individual files by the record separator, you end up with 500k files, and	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	grep fails (too many arguments)	[12:47]
Xplosionist	echo * \| xargs grep textthingtofind	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	Xplosionist as it happens, "( function() {" but why would it matter.	[12:48]
Xplosionist	echo might handle it, where grep can't on one command line.	[12:48]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: i had this problem with phuctor. ended up using python	[12:48]
ascii_butugychag	to iterate over the dir	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag you see what i mean, i take it ?	[12:48]
Xplosionist	mircea_popescu mostly I was curious.	[12:48]
ascii_butugychag	(after split)	[12:48]
jurov	"diff: does not exist." << every day i'm coming closer and closer to be fkn done with emacs	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[12:49]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: please wake me up when you find a replacement for emacs !	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	this is how i ended up with nano.	[12:49]
jurov	ascii_butugychag: i was completely fine with vim. then i heard about org-mode	[12:49]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: common lisp in vim is hardcore masochism, far beyond my ability to endure	[12:50]
Xplosionist	mircea_popescu: does echo * \| xargs work for you, after the csplit?	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[12:50]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: http://harelba.github.io/q/	[13:11]
assbot	Run SQL directly on CSV files \| Text as Data \| q ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwypiI )	[13:11]
*	trinque emits a parse error	[13:12]
trinque	can bind it to whatever you want	[13:12]
ascii_butugychag	^	[13:12]
jurov	how do i bind it to C-w + focus the destination widows with arrows?	[13:12]
jurov	i want this.	[13:13]
jurov	not "whatever"	[13:13]
trinque	what do you mean whatever?	[13:13]
trinque	destination of wat?	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	no he wants to pick the destination from among the windows by pressing arrow keys	[13:13]
jurov	heck, we can't even agree on terminology	[13:13]
trinque	ah k. that's reasonable, and surely can be done	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	punkman that q thing is interesting.	[13:15]
trinque	jurov: worth looking around in apropos window	[13:15]
punkman	mircea_popescu: sqlite shell can also work directly on csv files	[13:15]
*	trinque likes helm-apropos very much, and has it on a reasonable binding	[13:16]
ascii_butugychag	http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/WindMove << possibly	[13:16]
assbot	EmacsWiki: Wind Move ... ( http://bit.ly/1Owz43N )	[13:16]
ascii_butugychag	^ for the buffers thing	[13:16]
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mircea_popescu	it is good to have backups : they can fail when used and thus justify keeping around trickups.	[13:33]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378674 << high-s txn weren't picked up at all you mea n?	[13:35]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 16:21:03; mod6: trying to get that figured out.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	what sanity checks are you ignoring you say ?	[13:36]
mod6	last night, it wasn't just high-s txn, it was both. which i found to be really weird.	[13:36]
mod6	https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9/	[13:36]
assbot	BTC	[13:36]
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mod6	i just sent a low-s one, and that seemed ok.	[13:36]
mod6	(with the high-s code in there also)	[13:36]
mod6	for those interested, there is some debugging that did lastnight: http://dpaste.com/15QFA7T.txt	[13:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/23eUdXO )	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	the mempool is beeing pretty well flooded by bs, so depending on exactly what type of txn you had that may account.	[13:37]
mod6	i'll note, for instance, that when using -lows lastnight, i created tx '320665468f018d9635da7e240f01f48b07e1e5114a2535895f7091fe3aa751a0' (and a hand full of others) that never made it.	[13:37]
mod6	mircea_popescu: ah.	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	there are still floating around 14,7kb shits with 0.00015 fees that were introduced on the 18th. by the thousand.	[13:38]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> what sanity checks are you ignoring you say ? << it was basically this, i was looking at in regards to bip66: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	if you graph the mempool you'll see that there's this see-saw pattern, resulting from spam txn being introduced, then they expire, then reintroduced...	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	the actual bitcoin network looks like a fuzz atop those teeth	[13:39]
mod6	ah, ok.	[13:39]
mod6	that may have played a role.	[13:39]
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punkman	mod6, did you port strict-DER too?	[13:43]
mod6	just the part that I indicated above.	[13:44]
punkman	might be another reason for rejection	[13:45]
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mod6	punkman: when you refer to 'strict-DER', are you referring to this? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files	[14:14]
assbot	Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu )	[14:14]
mod6	or is there some other code that you are referencing?	[14:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.00056388 = 35.609 BTC [+] {2}	[14:19]
punkman	mod6: I meant producing stric-der signatures, and yeah that pull-req only involves the relaying	[14:22]
mod6	ah, can you give me a point in the right direction?	[14:22]
punkman	not sure when they implemented that in PRB	[14:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114200 @ 0.00055876 = 63.8104 BTC [-] {2}	[14:24]
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punkman	http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/19/news/world/isis-salary-cuts/index.html	[14:46]
assbot	ISIS cuts its fighters' salaries by 50% - Jan. 19, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5j3Fi )	[14:46]
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shinohai	punkman, any mention of whether they only get 36 virgins now instead of 72 ?	[14:55]
jurov	or recycled virgins	[14:57]
BingoBoingo	Or well worn virgins	[15:03]
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ascii_butugychag	the 'final solution' to the tx crud flood is, i suspect, mircea_popescu's concept of a tmsr-ONLY block-a-day mining pool	[15:21]
ascii_butugychag	which - for extra bonus lulz - imho ought to take high-S only...	[15:21]
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ascii_butugychag	(now that i think about it, i don't recall whether he said anything about tmsr-only. but this seems like an obvious thing)	[15:22]
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kakobrekla	powered by what, cpus and gpus ?	[15:23]
ascii_butugychag	by farts	[15:23]
kakobrekla	ah yes.	[15:24]
kakobrekla	i have lots of gas tonite.	[15:24]
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ben_vulpes	jurov: y'ever try window-jump?	[15:30]
jurov	no idea	[15:31]
ben_vulpes	window-jump and winner-mode make for...a not horrible experience.	[15:31]
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ben_vulpes	i use helm for buffer selection, and winner mode to get the windows back where they were.	[15:31]
ben_vulpes	and did i read that mircea_popescu wants 'semantic extraction' built into emacs?	[15:32]
ascii_butugychag	who wants to , can build whatever into emacs	[15:32]
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ascii_butugychag	somebody wrote an 'infocom adventure' interpreter. my brother played a few gamez in it	[15:33]
ascii_butugychag	works great.	[15:33]
ascii_butugychag	but if you have a unique itch somewhere deep in a body cavity, and wait for somebody to come and scratch it ~for you~ - you may wait for a while.	[15:34]
ascii_butugychag	though perhaps mircea_popescu could try and teach his pets elisp	[15:34]
jurov	dunno about itches, i was fine with vim.. but common lisp, orgmode...	[15:35]
ascii_butugychag	can one get hungry-arrowkeys in vim ?	[15:35]
ascii_butugychag	i can't fathom using an editor without it	[15:35]
ascii_butugychag	FUCK hitting an arrow more than once to traverse a block of whitespace	[15:36]
ascii_butugychag	seriously if i wanted to repeatedly perform manual drudgery i would go and pick cotton somewhere.	[15:36]
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jurov	i use ctrl to jump to next nonwhitespace if needed.	[15:39]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Netherlands Arrests 10 For Money - http://qntra.net/2016/01/netherlands-arrests-10-for-money/	[15:40]
jurov	there's also f,t for jumping to a character	[15:41]
BingoBoingo	seriously if i wanted to repeatedly perform manual drudgery i would go and pick cotton somewhere. << Speaking of are you dealing with that Apocalyptic blizzard fiat news is derping about.	[15:41]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: no sign of it yet	[15:42]
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BingoBoingo	Ah, we've got about 3 inches of snow here. Thing apparently hasn't built up that much yet.	[15:43]
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mircea_popescu	i use ctrl to jump to next nonwhitespace if needed. << i do.	[15:50]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[15:50]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 406.5, vol: 21773.84730223 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 408.9, vol: 13515.24357 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 408.38, vol: 60890.38427171 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 6.85034257 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 416.02704, vol: 72708.52130000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.9848, vol: 678.38381919 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 408.787510901, vol: 153.49899348 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[15:50]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[15:50]
gribble	average: 411.452744344	[15:50]
BingoBoingo	Oh, it's like the Hearnstick was completely negated as soon as ACH deposits brough fiat to exchanges.	[15:51]
BingoBoingo	Also random WAPO organs are now trying the call people things they didn't choose to be named strategy https://archive.is/Iul9m	[15:56]
assbot	Sarah Palin no-show at Trump event. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwRbXe )	[15:56]
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danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378543 << heh now you're ~encouraging~ people to move to USSA?	[15:58]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 15:19:44; mircea_popescu: move to wash, dc. everyone else is doing it.	[15:58]
jurov	yeah, like sending you to vatican	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:59]
danielpbarron	(bagelz is canadian if i recall correctly)	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	it's a semi-permeable membrane. i don't indiscriminately counsel everyone there to come out.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	some that are in should come out of it already. some belong in there, be they now in or out.	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	in unrelated lulz, http://sshostmaster.howtomoneyguide.com/4BjLhCashw6Hlfd/How-To-Fix-%22This-application-has-failed-to-start-because-msvcr100-dll-was-not-found%22-Error.html	[16:03]
assbot	How To Fix 'This Application Has Failed To Start Because Msvcr100 Dll Was Not Found' Error \| Learn how to quickly earn money online through affiliates and more! ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyrOLT )	[16:03]
BingoBoingo	In derpity hurp stoner not rly news https://archive.is/Fb7Qy and https://archive.is/dttpO	[16:03]
assbot	toomim comments on The Toomin brothers, Bitcoin Classic's main devs are debating Core devs and trying to show them the light. It gets quite fishy at the end. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyrTiM )	[16:03]
assbot	Bitcoin Classic's Magical Mystery Tour - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyrRrb )	[16:03]
ben_vulpes	i rarely use arrow keys to navigate, preferring instead to search through the buffer	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	ctrl-w also works.	[16:04]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: Maybe we should all join hands here in assets and sing kumbaya.	[16:04]
BingoBoingo	"People’s reactions to the discussion have been mixed, with people pointing out that the discussion was inappropriate in a group of essentially strangers. Furthermore, Bitcoin has been associated with drug use throughout its entire history, and perhaps it is in the interest of the community to separate itself from that." << lolz ClassicCoin can't even win outlets that flirted with Garza's Paycoin	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	awww.	[16:05]
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BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: That would be suspicious	[16:06]
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danielpbarron	my interpretation from the toomim drug thing was that he was trying to be like Mircea only replacing gurlz with drugz or something	[16:08]
thestringpuller	d00d trolling core dropped me this article he wrote on slack: http://philmaher.com/how-to-pump-and-dump-your-affiliates/	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many people burned themselves trying to be me. perhaps i find out one day.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	were a bunch even pre-internet.	[16:10]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Or just trying to "be cool" like all those movie stoners or something. It's not unknown among USG agents to either have or have invented a "groovy" drug history.	[16:11]
ascii_butugychag	there was reptilia...	[16:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00263892 = 1.9792 BTC [-]	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	there is the problem of manufactured street cred. what to say, what to say ?	[16:12]
ascii_butugychag	how come nobody tried to be, e.g., paul erdos.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	and how do you know they didn't ?	[16:12]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Tortilla's brain did fine simulating the drug experience without chemical assistance	[16:12]
ascii_butugychag	how do 'triers' select who to 'try to be' anyway.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	perceived social dominance.	[16:12]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: true, perhaps all 'dark matter'	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	why were the asylums full of napoleons rather than perigords ?	[16:13]
ascii_butugychag	they are full of 'napoleons', but also there is always a reasonable number of 'glass pitchers', 'acorns', etc	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	and how many perigords ?	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	who hated bush and who hated ken rove ?	[16:14]
ascii_butugychag	dafuq is a perigord	[16:14]
ascii_butugychag	carl rove?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	a was he karl ?	[16:14]
ascii_butugychag	aha	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[16:14]
ascii_butugychag	and serious bushitler aficionados did hate !	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	hehe.	[16:14]
BingoBoingo	Lol, noise holes are suggesting the "miner" Buttfury plans on selling to the public is another 21co style Internet of things device. Just another PiTaTo	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo bitfury is utterly evil these days.	[16:15]
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mircea_popescu	apparently there's been a sale last year, and well...	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	the wrong people bought.	[16:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yes, just as BitPay went from harmless derps to info collectatron.	[16:16]
BingoBoingo	Except buttfurry has chips and BitPay doesn't	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	to be resolved.	[16:17]
BingoBoingo	Resolving is the funnest part of BitBet	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:17]
BingoBoingo	It's rare, but every now and then a Bet needs BetLawyered in the comments.	[16:18]
BingoBoingo	The S.BBET vs. S.DICE bet was grand	[16:18]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: ASICMINER tried this and then went bankrupt shortly after.	[16:20]
thestringpuller	The block erupters you could plug into USB.	[16:21]
ascii_butugychag	so mircea_popescu, which 'wrong people' might that be? the ones with 'no money and no engineers' ?	[16:21]
ascii_butugychag	or some other set ?	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	the sad fact of today's business environment is that you can also sell for promise.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	some do. it's bad for the environment and worse for them, but nevertheless they do.	[16:21]
ascii_butugychag	threat works as well as promise	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	there is no difference between the two.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	verba volant.	[16:22]
ascii_butugychag	then yes.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	what starded as a more humane way to disposses the old (see balzac, he describes it in detail), has meanwhile become the universal way to cleave yourself from everything.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	you say that that's what you do professionally, separate things, and there's merit to the view. but also... some things don't belong apart.	[16:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00263892 = 1.9792 BTC [-]	[16:25]
ascii_butugychag	waiwut	[16:29]
ascii_butugychag	ah.	[16:29]
mod6	no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes.	[16:30]
mod6	Now i have heat. fuckers.	[16:30]
ascii_butugychag	but given the mammalian tendency to 'hate to lose more than loving to win' (as described in a mircea_popescu article !) it makes sense to distinguish 'threat' and 'promise' as items	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	sense, for whom.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	expediency is no sort of sense	[16:31]
ascii_butugychag	for thinking	[16:31]
ascii_butugychag	and, e.g., bribery vs extortion, rather separate skill sets, no ?	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	i don't think so.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	and i don't even think you mean thinking by "thinking". i think you mean "for daydreaming". like this fellow :	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/cum-sa-fii-peste-ghid-simplu-pe-inteles-si-exhaustiv/#comment-116277	[16:43]
assbot	Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmTgfU )	[16:43]
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mircea_popescu	does it convey or should i translate ?	[16:43]
ascii_butugychag	translate plox	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	the article is "how to be a pimp - a simple guide, easy to understand and exhaustive". which it is. which it exactly is.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	the fellow says "if i were to be a pimp [ie, the dream mode, because hey, that's what he understood of a discussion of technology, that "being an engineer" is a blessed state, to be obtained through divine grace and / or ordination] i wouldn't beat the women, for they'd be more productive thus. but also, if they piss me off, "dead" directly. you know, like puff daddy.	[16:47]
ascii_butugychag	am i think or what, i don't see the equivalence. bribery and threat are approx. as equivalent as arses and elbows	[16:48]
ascii_butugychag	*thick	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	to which i say that if i were a bird also i wouldn't flap my wings, but merely float. because why not, tis a dream.	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	you're thick. there is no bribe that doesn't contain a threat, nor is there any threat that is anything but a veiled bribe.	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	and nothe that his oh-so-creative "understanding" and "thought process" is both purely symbolic and specifically symbolic.	[16:49]
ascii_butugychag	can haz example? let's say bag man helpfully tells restaranteur, '$x/mo. or your place burns'. where is the hidden bribe ?	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	this fellow's illiterate. he sees the world through eyes of stupidity, which is why he says "dead direct". it's a barbarism in romanian, but he needs to import a foreign symbol because well... sounds better thus.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	less to explain. "the meaning should be obvious"	[16:50]
ascii_butugychag	now these, everyone has met, i think	[16:50]
ascii_butugychag	'if i were a general...'	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag : if he pays and the place burns next month, what then ?	[16:50]
ascii_butugychag	then 'too bad' ?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	if he pays and he sees a derp with gasoline fucking around and he calls you up, what then ?	[16:51]
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ascii_butugychag	i can only guess, but 'go and pay or shoot that one yourself, he's not mine'	[16:52]
ascii_butugychag	the whole no-overlapping-turfs thing is supposed to be guaranteed by turf war, etc. i get it	[16:52]
ascii_butugychag	but in practice, is it ?	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	in practice you'd better do something.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	nobody ever says that 'go and pay or shoot that one yourself, he's not mine'. ever heard judge say something like that ?	[16:53]
ascii_butugychag	aaaactually	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	judge's the least convincing mobster out there, even he knows he can't really get away with that.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	(and once he tries, the show stops)	[16:53]
ascii_butugychag	the famous '80s scotus case where 'police are not ~required~ to show up even if they know the hour of your advance murder' thing	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	human speech is in all cases a promise and a threat, together. if you go see a house for rent and you offer 100k, what you are saying is "stand with me and make 100k, or stand aside and damn you all". no matter how faint either side, it's there. it has to be for speech to be meaningful.	[16:55]
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BingoBoingo	MEGA LOL http://8btc.com/thread-28217-1-1.html	[16:56]
ascii_butugychag	so if i offer a kid a candy, i am threatening him with hunger ?	[16:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1nmVQT7 )	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	how should i know what you're doing.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	do it and i'll tell you.	[16:57]
ascii_butugychag	well you did say 'promise and threat are not separable', no ?	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[16:58]
ascii_butugychag	and what, 'what's 2+2?' 'how should i know? go add them and i'll tell you'	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	just because they're not separable does not mean that in consideration and by way of compensation now you get to separate an arbitrary something else.	[16:59]
ascii_butugychag	which else	[16:59]
BingoBoingo	":The results came out, the mine can not afford the risk of the mining machine brick, the Classic will not be upgraded to 2MB of program. "	[16:59]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: said who, a fishwife in shanghai ?	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag now you want to separate facts from their representation, and have your way with the representation aside.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	doesn't work.	[17:00]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Mystery Chinese noise I can not adequately parse on thread preceeded with "MEGA LOL"	[17:01]
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mircea_popescu	thyey're just bickering about who guessed first what will happen and how fair or unfair it is.	[17:02]
ascii_butugychag	wai wut, when did they invent the 'unfair' crapolade in cn ?	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	remember tank guy ?	[17:03]
ascii_butugychag	aha	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	well... they invented "unfair" crapolade. what the fuck do you think confucianism is ?	[17:03]
ascii_butugychag	i thought it was rather the opposite	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	it infested the brits, they brought it back like the intellectual equivalent of the french pox.	[17:04]
ascii_butugychag	'bow to your betters'	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	that whole narrative is something like "look at these people who gave us syphilis, it finds itself in biological equilibrium in their country and so they don't get it all that much and it's mostly under control - but here, lord! every face is covered! how much better we have it than they do!"	[17:06]
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mircea_popescu	the brits at the time of their ill advised eastern trip thought nothing of caning children to death, and the general practice was to send off the louts to live as slaves to other people,	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	so as to silence the annoying women.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	"oh my baby my baby". well now it ain't your baby anymore so stfu.	[17:07]
*	ascii_butugychag often pictures mircea_popescu pushing a messenger into a spiffy stone pit, 'this is SPARTA!~' (tm) (r)	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	lol why the messenger ?	[17:10]
ascii_butugychag	there was a cruddy american film some time in bush era about sparta	[17:10]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[17:11]
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ascii_butugychag	where a persian envoy demanding tribute is shoved into a pit, which appears to have been built and kept around just for said purpose	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	ah. that kind of envoy.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[17:12]
BingoBoingo	Twas a cruddy film but of all the comic book to film adaptations, twas the one that has sucked the least	[17:12]
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mircea_popescu	so to get back to it : so if i offer a kid a candy, i am threatening him with hunger ? << are you ?	[17:14]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: in the sense of your earlier example, yes	[17:16]
ascii_butugychag	'accept this chocolate, it may be your last!111'	[17:16]
trinque	or simply points out to him his lack of candy, perhaps previously unobserved	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	ok, so then you are.	[17:16]
ascii_butugychag	http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/69279 << unrelated, l0ltr0nic	[17:17]
assbot	code challenge - Build a Compiler Bomb - Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1PFH8gx )	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	trinque no but he's asking me what he's doing when he's the one doing it. and in all honesty he expects me to answer. i suppose in the same honesty he expects a snippet of code somwhere exists which says "how to subdue women". god knows the PUA subculture's been working tediously at it.	[17:17]
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trinque	"How do I open my hand?"	[17:19]
trinque	maybe you do, maybe you don't!	[17:19]
ascii_butugychag	but to say that there is 'no difference between promise and thread', just because of this residual treat in the candy, is lunacy	[17:19]
ascii_butugychag	*threat	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	to rest the matter, let's just say that there's excellent reason the us supreme court only rules on actual cases, never on factitious proposition.	[17:20]
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ascii_butugychag	i thought it was for ddos resistance.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag they're substantially the same thing, the division is a matter of interpretation.	[17:20]
ascii_butugychag	if you want sheepfucking ruled on, you ~actually must fuck a sheep~ etc	[17:20]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: seawater and uranium are then also 'same thing' ?	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	laymen famously can not separate the entreatment from the threat in what i say to my slaves.	[17:20]
ascii_butugychag	in application to ~masochists~ i'm not certain they are separable from the outside of the head..	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	no. but a thing's "width" and its "height" ARE the same thing.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	they being both a length.	[17:21]
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mircea_popescu	and while i am not certain "masochists" can be separated from the general population, i am well certain that they are not a category to be, and that you're plenty one yourself.	[17:22]
ascii_butugychag	masochist in the sense where an outsider does not know if 'do x or get beating' is a bribe or a threat	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	and do they ?	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	(that's a particularly poor illustration of what i said, if it tries to be. for one thing i dun think i ever said anything alike.)	[17:24]
ascii_butugychag	this was re: the slave example	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	then yeah, miserable illustration.	[17:25]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Twitter's Jack Dorsey No Longer A Paper Billionaire - http://qntra.net/2016/01/twitters-jack-dorsey-no-longer-a-paper-billionaire/	[17:28]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2016/01/twitters-jack-dorsey-no-longer-a-paper-billionaire/ << Updated, forgot the obligatory "Sorry for your loss" on initial publication	[17:29]
assbot	Twitter's Jack Dorsey No Longer A Paper Billionaire \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5Q4RB )	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	i suppose this is how the pedestrian notion of "good" and "evil" is constructed even. let us arbitrarily divide a set of real objects into "only has height" and "only has width". thus therefore the first set are ~obviously~ good, for they allow you to build up! (how will you manage to allign things with no width on top of each other is a consideration best left to any masochistical engineers still stuck in your swampla	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	nd). the others - obviously bad, for all they do is take space on the ground for no good reason!	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	for the least expenditure of intellectual effort possible we have a full socio-political as well as philosophical!	[17:29]
ascii_butugychag	and sleep that night in hilbert's hotel, aha	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	kids no longer getting cubes to play with may have worse implications than originally thought.	[17:32]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally, every ~sane~ female i've ever encountered, had cubes	[17:33]
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ascii_butugychag	folks who don't witness toppling cubes etc. growing, apparently don't fully grasp cause-effect...	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	this delusion of "i will build" so common in us "activists" and three year olds really needs the natural check of "go ahead".	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	there's even a thing in .ro folklore about this, balada mesterului manole. he keeps building and stuff keeps falling down.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	seen as a foundational myth to romanian-ness.	[17:35]
ascii_butugychag	wasn't that italian ?	[17:35]
ascii_butugychag	from gianni rodari ?	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	well, yurp. everything's stolen.	[17:35]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	(ftr, it's prolly stolen from ro. ie - the ballad itself is very old, older than rome.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	it comes from a time of pastoral life, when sheep went up the mountains then back down the mountains into dalmatia	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	what the derpy romans interpreted as "dacians invading" was merely continuation of a lyfstyle that had at that time three or four millenia of history behind it.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	sort of an epic scale bundy farm thing.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	if you think about it, getting walls to stay the fuck up hadn't been a point of sufficient isnecurity so as to excite the popular immagination for a good 25 centuries by the time rodari came out.	[17:38]
ascii_butugychag	but picture if street derp had to ~build a house~	[17:38]
ascii_butugychag	like that.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	ah but this was a famous architect, with a team and all.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	ten people!	[17:38]
ascii_butugychag	doesn't get to cheat, has to personally stand up the walls	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	"mester" means master, in the ancient sense.	[17:39]
ascii_butugychag	aha, precisely what мастер means in ru	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	"Pe Argeş în gios, pe un mal frumos, Negru-vodă trece cu tovarăşi zece: nouă meşteri mari, calfe şi zidari si Manoli - zece, care-i şi întrece."	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	"down on the river arges, on a nice lawn, teh black king goes with ten people : nine great masters, learned in bricklaying, and manoli, the tenth, who's even better!"	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	from a ~1860 notation of the ballad.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	(negru voda is the legendary founder & first ruler of wallachia)	[17:42]
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pete_dushenski	holy cramoly the size of these blocks is bananas, son. it's one 900kb+ after another after another.	[17:49]
ascii_butugychag	for what, 4 months now ?	[17:49]
pete_dushenski	in related nyooz, tevye is just 5 blocks behind now after... restarting. because "waiting it out" isn't a fucking strategy.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	now look at the garbage in them.	[17:50]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: restarting is an imaginary remedy	[17:50]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: it's been 80-90% spamola since start of 'stress test' crap	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	aha/	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	part of why pushing tx fees up is absolutely fucking mandatory already.	[17:51]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378039 << was thinking same thing as i went to sleep last night. makes perfect sense for connections to work in the way alf proposes here.	[17:51]
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mircea_popescu	yes yes, it's correct. and next thing you know the transactions are no longer publicly relayed (because why the fuck would i give the fee to random miners) and lo and behold we've split in the worst way.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	unavoidable, yes, but i'd have liked it to come later.	[17:52]
ascii_butugychag	which is why i said '2 tiers'	[17:52]
ascii_butugychag	rather than 'hey fellaz let's all use -connect'	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	but yes, the problem is here : the miners aren't actually doing anything and have no power. for all the posturing, they are at the sheer mercy of the actual bitcoin holders and traders.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	as the subsidy dies out, trying to be a miner will be a lot like trying to be a lawyer.	[17:53]
pete_dushenski	after watching tevye choke on all the fucking idiots "connect" "disconnect" "socket closed" blahblah, it seemed sane, but the miner relay is, yes, a significant potential boojum	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	oh, you paid 200k to go to duke... so ? starve bitch.	[17:53]
ascii_butugychag	trying to be a miner was an idiot's game since... 2012 ?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	these idiots keep you safe.	[17:53]
ascii_butugychag	i said before, will say again, this is a bug.	[17:54]
pete_dushenski	like the idiots that give us leccy and internet access.	[17:54]
ascii_butugychag	i don't want a car engine that relies on cockroaches turning little wheels.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag if it is the matter's not settled.	[17:54]
PeterL	holy cramoly the size of these blocks is bananas, son. it's one 900kb+ after another after another. << and fees are still only ~2% of reward	[17:54]
thestringpuller	most of it must be spam then	[17:54]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: "But anyway, to answer a question from the public in more detail : poorly. I've never been this humiliated in my life." << nuts. my mind, it asploded.	[17:55]
PeterL	maybe when you start b-a minerpool, have higher fees required for non-WoT txn's to get included?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	PeterL vice-versa.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	the way this works is that whoever mines is on their knees for whoever knows txns.	[17:56]
PeterL	what? people in WoT have to pay more?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	no, but you will end up doing fee rebates for people who bring you txns	[17:56]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: what ports can i use for trb while syncing ? and is there a good reason why trb should jump on 8333 without me telling it to, and without being completely synced ? because this seems to be a recurring issue on my end.	[17:57]
PeterL	I was thinking if they are in WoT it is not spam, anything else should be considered spammy and need higher fee?	[17:57]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: 8333 is the traditional, you can set to whatever else, or not listen at all if you -connect	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	PeterL i doubt it'd be practical to try and get the miner to subsidize the wot. i expect it to work the other way around.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	unless you're keeping the army for offensive purposes (ie, we do 51% attacks etc), the army costs the town, does not produce for the town.	[17:58]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: does -addnode auto-invoke 8333 then ?	[17:58]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: by default yes	[17:58]
pete_dushenski	aha.	[17:58]
pete_dushenski	strange, but ok.	[17:59]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: read the src, it won't kill you	[17:59]
ascii_butugychag	mega-recommended.	[17:59]
pete_dushenski	indeed.	[18:00]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378701 << where's a btc-dentist when you need one ?	[18:02]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 16:36:22; mircea_popescu: the actual bitcoin network looks like a fuzz atop those teeth	[18:02]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378747 << heh. sharp title.	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	btw, for the racists in attendance : http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml << there's a lot of studies about various haplogroups and genetic history of populations in yurp.	[18:05]
assbot	Haplogroup H (mtDNA) - Eupedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wvd1gX )	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	ask your representative why you can't have it in the 2nd best korea.	[18:05]
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ascii_butugychag	have what?	[18:12]
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mircea_popescu	extensive genetic studies done, with corresponding considerations of population health, ethnic history, etc.	[18:13]
ben_vulpes	jurov: do you org-mode with evil-mode?	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	with quotes. medical : "Ruiz-Pesini et al. (2000) reported that men belonging to haplogroup H have the lowest risk of asthenozoospermia (reduced sperm motility)." ; "A study by Baudouin et al. (2005) found that members of haplogroup H had increased chance of survival from severe sepsis at 180 days compared with individuals from other haplogroups."	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	ethnohistoric : "Celtic culture was born from the fusion of Indo-European paternal lineages (R1b) with native Central and Western European maternal lineages (including H1, H3, H10, J1c, K1a, T2, U5 and X2)."	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[18:15]
jurov	ben_vulpes: yes, but orgmode has original keybindings	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	"From the Bronze Age, R1b male lineages replaced a large percentage of Megalithic Y-haplogroups, but female Megalithic lineages survived almost unchanged in frequency."	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter maps of distribution and so on and so forth.	[18:16]
jurov	!up ascii_butugychag	[18:17]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: wasn't that what 23 corp. supposedly sold ?	[18:18]
ascii_butugychag	in usa.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	hey, don't ask me things. i linked you, link me.	[18:18]
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mircea_popescu	(but no, 23 corp sold exactly another pitato, which is all the 2nd best korea's good for these days. just like their cell service. or their computers. etc.)	[18:18]
ascii_butugychag	i have not paid the shaman, did not drink the goat blood, will not link	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	wait wut ?	[18:19]
ascii_butugychag	well we don't have ~actual~ genetic studies here in usababwe	[18:19]
ascii_butugychag	we have 23 corp. et al.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	as i said - ask your representative why!	[18:19]
ben_vulpes	jurov: you mean to say that you ditched evil-org for native org?	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	isn't it the best most culture cuntry in world anymore ?	[18:19]
ben_vulpes	(or am i to understand etc etc)	[18:19]
jurov	i am not aware somethin liek evil-org even exists	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	is jurov going to emacs heaven ?	[18:20]
jurov	no, hell	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	i'm not convinced re: the eu genetic report being a genuine thing either	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	but perhaps i merely suffer from 'reverse cargocult'	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	'nobody has airplane, it never existed'	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	well.. it's well published, can always dig into if feel inclined.	[18:21]
jurov	mircea_popescu: i see sample sizes like 200 in a million	[18:21]
jurov	there	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	well yes, genetics is very problematic for this reason.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	that's what drives the entire "take it easy" angle on genetics.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	this is unavoidable, incidentally, for the same reason life exists.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	there's a dozen or so "main" clades. but they are subdivided, and the subdivisions subdivide. there's tens of thousands of subdivisions of the most common subdivisions of the more common clades.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	if you build a tree and it branches out this bad, you'll rapidly end up with tiny fractions in each branch.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	and if you don't, syphillis mutates and ends your population cca 1490, sfyl, thanks for playing,	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	still, you know, from that same link : "Lucotte et al. (2010) recovered the DNA of Napoleon Bonaparte from beard hair follicules and compared it to that of his mother, Letizia, and his younger sister Caroline. All three shared the same rare 16184T mutation, which places them within haplogroup H15a1b.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	or for that matter, "Bogdanowicza et al. (2009) tested the Y-chromosomal DNA and mitochondrial DNA of the exhumed remains of the Prussian Renaissance astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus. They established that he belonged to mt-haplogroup H27 (defined by the mutations 16129A and 16316G)."	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	this is interesting, if not obviously useful. just like all the rest of the stuff. nascent field is typically interesting in this manner but not useful (also in this manner).	[18:26]
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mircea_popescu	what haplogrup was martin luther king ? or is such knowledge forbidden in the united obscurantistlands.	[18:27]
ascii_butugychag	forbidden for very obvious reasons	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	write to your congressman! :D	[18:28]
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mircea_popescu	thinking about it... what obvious reasons be those ascii_butugychag ?	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	yes please	[18:30]
ascii_butugychag	well the not-so-seekrit factual basis for the colour warz among the blacks themselves	[18:32]
ascii_butugychag	(as illustrated especially well in haiti)	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	look at those eu maps, the continent's deeply divided genetically, nobody's fighting.	[18:32]
ascii_butugychag	just referring to the hypothesis, amply supported, that the folks who actually make something of themselves, have proportionately less africa in them	[18:33]
ascii_butugychag	than the other kind.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	i've yet to see actually good studies on this topic.	[18:34]
ascii_butugychag	and you won't.	[18:34]
ben_vulpes	only 'colour warz' i'm aware of are the preference of crackers for north africans over african americans	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	i somehow doubt there is a good "africa" haplogroup.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	say Q, it's mostly "huns", whereas N is basically uralics	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	but "huns" here means turks and hungarians and maybe fins.	[18:36]
thestringpuller	https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41r561/150k_btc_between_personal_holdings_and_associates/ << LOL. "I'm like MP but a big blocker. I'm going to fight him. Bring it on MP"	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea what'd be "africa". there's a bunch of major ones. and they are mixed with stuff like the persians, which... invented civilisation.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller gawd, we;re headed for a "the mp of x" phase of buzzwordism ?	[18:37]
thestringpuller	P. Much. "The MP of big blocks" "The MP of paypal" "The MP of blockstream"	[18:38]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: subsaharan	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	there's at least three. there's the superhawt, tall, muscular men of pure black. there's the skinny short grayish type. there's more.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	i bet you at least four haplogroups are "subsaharan".	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	and you'rte thinking congo-ish	[18:39]
ascii_butugychag	o	[18:39]
ascii_butugychag	i'm thinking moar generally	[18:40]
ascii_butugychag	'the folks who stayed behind' (tm) (r)	[18:40]
ascii_butugychag	who existed for millenia and left no ruins worth the mention, never saw the planet until enslaved, etc	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah well... there's that. there's another thing also : a better argument can be brought that the eskimo and the chechens are "worthless neerdowells". and these are very different haplogroups too	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	know what unites, the "failed northerner" with the "failed mountain man" with the "failed subsaharian" ? guess ?	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	obviously, an empire nearby spent many years "helping them".	[18:41]
ascii_butugychag	any honest genetic study would reveal that being related to said folks is, generally, a very serious handicap..	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	yes, for this reason.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	the russkis/french/english/ustards will come and help you in the ass.	[18:42]
ascii_butugychag	from what i know of mountain folk (the very endearing chechens esp.) they certainly see the payback they get from the plainsfolk they chronically rape as 'unfair'	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	rape is not a threat but a bribe :)	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	(ask 'em)	[18:43]
ascii_butugychag	'but you're bipedal lambs, lambs aren't supposed to round up village of vermin and shoot'	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	hey... if a man "takes" a woman, when he is done with her it is the woman that carries away bits of the man, not vice-versa.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	shouldn't she pay ?	[18:44]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378770 << lol. mega-classic. "friends! friends! lend me your tears!"	[18:45]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 19:00:27; BingoBoingo: In derpity hurp stoner not rly news https://archive.is/Fb7Qy and https://archive.is/dttpO	[18:45]
*	mircea_popescu hadn't looked before, but on 2nd call... feels compelled.	[18:46]
*	BingoBoingo in my most paranoid moments is tempted to believe to Toomim drug meltdown was orchestrated as an easy way out of the "ClassicCoin" failure	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	i really hope they go with "ultimate" next. it has this flavour of old Vivendi spunk and unemployed, failed "strategists" and "designers" of unplayable reboots of stale franchises.	[18:48]
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mircea_popescu	"To be sure, there’s nothing wrong with LSD" bwahahahaha	[18:49]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[18:49]
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mircea_popescu	OBVIOUSLY there's nothing wrong.	[18:49]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: nah that'd be 'reloaded'	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	reloaded is when they know it'll fail.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	ultimate is when they spend 6 months baiting people on forums pretending they've got the new daikatana	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway... how about Bitcoin Charades ?	[18:50]
BingoBoingo	Bitcoin Dialated!	[18:51]
pete_dushenski	Bitcoin Episode VII	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	The Ballchain Technologies ?	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	maybe even something smooth and classic, like, I Can't Believe It's Not Bitcoin.	[18:51]
ascii_butugychag	nah that's the current prb	[18:51]
ascii_butugychag	ever since the blockheaders thing	[18:52]
jurov	bitbutter	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	Better Living Through Chainology	[18:52]
pete_dushenski	Tastes Good Like a BlockChain Should	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	maybe it could be the world wide dweeb.	[18:53]
pete_dushenski	Live In Our World, Play In Yours	[18:54]
pete_dushenski	(playstation)	[18:54]
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mod6	Revenge of the Shitgnomes	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand how the shitworld works. can't say the name or it vanishes in thin air!	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	didn't you read the stories when you were a kid ?	[18:57]
ascii_butugychag	'snow white and the seven shitgnomes'	[18:57]
mod6	haha.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag it's pretty much a given they were doing her in the butt huh ? given the sizes.	[18:58]
ascii_butugychag	aha!	[18:58]
ascii_butugychag	how else.	[18:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 319200 @ 0.00056049 = 178.9084 BTC [-] {4}	[19:01]
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mircea_popescu	btw, speaking of inventions etc, anyone know the sad story of Girolamo Fracastoro ?	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	fellow that in early 1500s proposed the germinative theory of disease, but gets no credit for it like ever ?	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	(de contagione et contagiosis morbis)	[19:11]
ascii_butugychag	aha!	[19:11]
ascii_butugychag	or for that matter even lister.	[19:12]
BingoBoingo	I am unfamiliar with this	[19:12]
BingoBoingo	In other news https://archive.is/V4529	[19:13]
assbot	In the pink? Costello bill would allow hunters to wear blaze pink, not just orange \| Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/20fsK5Z )	[19:14]
BingoBoingo	"In Wisconsin, there has been some opposition to the measure, though it has passed the Assembly and was scheduled for a Senate vote Wednesday. Opponents included some women hunters who viewed the measure as sexist, and others who see it as pandering to women." << Sexist even though more visible to other armed persons and less visible to deer	[19:14]
shinohai	https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41uhh0/remember_the_forbes_article_something_rotten_in/ <<< yay the SJW's win! No moar racism!	[19:18]
assbot	Remember the Forbes article "Something Rotten In the State of Bitcoin"? I put in a complaint and the writer was forced to change the article. : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20ftmZh )	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	this entire "must wear wrong clothing" while hunting makes us hunting a fucking joke.	[19:19]
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mircea_popescu	no fucking hunter in the history of hunting wore anything but green and olive drab	[19:19]
BingoBoingo	American Hunters though suffer the tremendous risk of encountering other US tards	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	that's not fucking hunting.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	that's waiting in traffic.	[19:21]
ascii_butugychag	to avoid dick cheney !11	[19:21]
BingoBoingo	^	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	https://tartaul.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/9.jpg << hunters.	[19:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20ftUOO )	[19:22]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: a more effective tactic than mp's legal threats, at least in the case of forbes ;/	[19:22]
ascii_butugychag	whatever happened with that	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	~nothing.	[19:22]
BingoBoingo	One must understand. US hunter faces dilema. Wear walmart fashion and shoot deer, or settle for eating walmart "meat"	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo one understands, still doth not approve.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski depends what you're trying to achieve. if you're trying to achieve more forbes, then yes.	[19:24]
BingoBoingo	I just find the potential to change the rural aesthetic lulzy if Blaze pink does work better.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	if you're trying to achieve less forbes, then you will have to shoot them.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	firing off some wartnings before actually shooting is considered the polite and civilised way where i come from.	[19:24]
ascii_butugychag	unrelatedly, a crapple pad and one of the apps offered for that machine actually make an ok trb reader	[19:26]
pete_dushenski	well, it'll certainly be fun to watch forbes pretend that "we never saw this coming" and "why didn't you warn us"	[19:26]
ascii_butugychag	for use in trains	[19:26]
ascii_butugychag	i finally discovered a use !	[19:26]
pete_dushenski	what app ?	[19:26]
ascii_butugychag	'codenavigator'	[19:27]
ascii_butugychag	by some cn dude	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	In other duelling heresies https://archive.is/hwH2l	[19:30]
assbot	Fans’ Intense Love For Fallout: New Vegas Must Be Weird For Bethesda ... ( http://bit.ly/20fvccB )	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	i loved fallout, but really hated "tactics" and stopped bothering.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	1 and 2 tho...	[19:30]
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mod6	<+mircea_popescu> no fucking hunter in the history of hunting wore anything but green and olive drab << i wear blaze	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/cadeti-afara-doi/	[19:31]
assbot	Cadeti afara (doi) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20fvjoD )	[19:31]
mod6	otherwise someone might be like, "bird! oh no that's just mod6."	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	mod6 what color is blaze ?	[19:31]
mod6	bright orange	[19:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149118 @ 0.00056515 = 84.274 BTC [+] {2}	[19:32]
mod6	lot of deer hunters wear just camo patterns of green/brown tho	[19:32]
BingoBoingo	New proposal is a second color named Blaze which is a bright pink.	[19:32]
mod6	it used to be that, i'm told.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[19:32]
BingoBoingo	It would be so incredibly lulzy	[19:33]
ascii_butugychag	this is unpleasantly reminiscent of the unicode faces thread	[19:33]
mod6	back in the day there were laws that said 'you must wear neon pink'.	[19:33]
BingoBoingo	Depends on if deer actually are more blind to pink chosen as Blaze2	[19:33]
ascii_butugychag	iirc deer sees in greyscale	[19:34]
mod6	if not wearing a suit (basically, weekends) i wear this coat: http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/Mount%27N-Prairie-Buck-Soft-Parka---Naked-North-Blaze/0000000036897?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping%2Bsearch&utm_campaign=google%2Bproduct%20search&gslfah&gclid=CJrjq9y4ucoCFQesaQod8UgMTQ	[19:34]
assbot	Mount'N Prairie Buck Soft Parka - Naked North Blaze - Mills Fleet Farm ... ( http://bit.ly/20fvHUe )	[19:34]
mod6	and a blaze stocking cap. nothing else i have in the jacket/hat department is warm enough for dec/jan/feb	[19:36]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Something like that	[19:36]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/wgC6B << Tesla does the Avalon pre-Order scam if you try to buy used	[19:46]
assbot	How Elon Musk Stole My Car \| Atlantic.Net ... ( http://bit.ly/20fxU1V )	[19:46]
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mircea_popescu	lol!	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	it's not a scam, it's consensus!	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	"After working with Kevin for a few weeks, I was able to find a car that met my needs in Pasadena, California."	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	holy shit the attention span of these derps ?! they actually will fuck around for weeks over a product they're not even that interested in with some random salesdude ?	[19:51]
BingoBoingo	Well, interested enough to have put down a deposit	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	no, that was after.	[19:52]
BingoBoingo	Aha	[19:52]
BingoBoingo	But yes, this is what selling to the derps who have paper wealth is like	[19:53]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[19:54]
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ascii_butugychag	it still boggles my mind that somebody would buy, for personally sitting in, a $100k machine that doesn't fly.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag it's actually less than what it costs to makew by a long shot. im surprised you'e not buying one.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	try buying electric engine + battery apart, same specs, an see	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	now, driving this assemblage as if it were a car is the height of ridiculousness.	[19:55]
ascii_butugychag	dafuq would i do with such a thing l0l	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	however, uses for either item are readily apparent in a minifactory/macrolab the sort a boy genius may have built himself.	[19:56]
ascii_butugychag	for one thing you need a garage.	[19:56]
ascii_butugychag	for another, money	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	no, you actually need a warehouse	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	a, yes, you do need money.	[19:56]
ascii_butugychag	and my petrol car works great	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	"If Tesla is logging interactions with their customers (like phone-calls) to a national database, why didn’t they notice that someone was calling in and only getting voicemail. Shouldn’t this be a red-flag, or shouldn’t someone at Telsa HQ be reaching out to find out why/whats going on/why someone keeps calling so often?"	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	tesla should run a sexphone service for boring ustards!	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	USTARD LIVES MATTER!111	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	not in this world, bub.	[19:57]
ascii_butugychag	actually i will point out, re: earlier observation, that the battery and motor are worth, using the free market (ebay) metric, 10k max	[19:58]
ascii_butugychag	the rest, as with other idiot golden toilets, is for 'intellectual proooooperty'	[19:59]
ascii_butugychag	pooperty.	[19:59]
*	BingoBoingo just like the Irony of Musk personally wrecking derps car into undeliverability after deposit placed	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	no wae ?!	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag what did you look at ?	[19:59]
ascii_butugychag	folks have been building electromobiles for decades	[19:59]
ascii_butugychag	out of scrap	[19:59]
ascii_butugychag	a century, even	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	but what did you look at ?	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	https://www.teslamotors.com/support/model-s-specifications << imbeciles don't list battery capacity. wtf is with these people.	[20:00]
assbot	Model S Specifications \| Tesla Motors ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5krH2 )	[20:00]
ascii_butugychag	take, say,	[20:01]
ascii_butugychag	http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-HP-RELIANCE-ELECTRICAL-MOTOR-TYPE-T-R-U326781-T1-/252252847844	[20:01]
assbot	200 HP Reliance Electrical Motor Type T R U326781 T1 \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5kt1G )	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	"70 kWh or 85 kWh microprocessor controlled, lithium-ion battery". what the fuck does this mean.	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Why list a capacity that is just going to rapidly decay as soon as it leaves the lot?	[20:01]
ben_vulpes	> thought questions	[20:01]
ben_vulpes	wth	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	Li-ion decays much faster than RTG	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	so what do you think is a fair price per li/ion kWh, ascii_butugychag ?	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	new.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	seems about 10 bux per Wh, off the boat ?	[20:03]
ascii_butugychag	for very small, prepackaged cells	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	even at 1/10 that, 70kWh battery is then 70k.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	these are kinda small, prepackaged.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	anyway, "very small" as in 1-10 Ah, 12-18 V sort of thing. medium	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	very small is 4.95 for .6 Ah or such	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	.06*	[20:04]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally, i sure as fuck wouldn't use li ion	[20:05]
ascii_butugychag	mega-scam.	[20:05]
ascii_butugychag	decays rapidly.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	well i guess there's that.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	but still, Three phase, four pole AC induction motor with copper rotor << this thing is well over 10k at that power.	[20:05]
ascii_butugychag	i linked to the motor.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	so, yeah, just the scavengeable parts retail for less in the tesla than they would outside.	[20:06]
ascii_butugychag	and why the fuck would i buy a new one?!	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	and you also get a chassis in which you could perhaps put a sane engine.	[20:06]
ascii_butugychag	mno, no transmission	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	dude that shit you linked... jesus god. yes, you can get a zamac thing for "1500".	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	used. no copper. etc.	[20:07]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: i think these pre-date the zamac thing	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:07]
ascii_butugychag	hell, i'd buy a soviet motor	[20:07]
ascii_butugychag	built for lifts.	[20:07]
deedbot-	[Ossasepia] Making Patterns on Euloran Soil - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/01/21/making-patterns-on-euloran-soil/	[20:07]
ascii_butugychag	but this is lunacy, i will build own car right after i build own woman.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	some people like it.	[20:08]
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ascii_butugychag	no doubt.	[20:09]
ascii_butugychag	i even would like it, if i liked being in cars.	[20:09]
ascii_butugychag	which i don't.	[20:09]
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mod6	!up hanbot	[20:15]
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mod6	!up shinohai	[20:15]
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mod6	how's it goin?	[20:16]
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trinque	fire away	[20:21]
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mod6	<+hanbot> eh, can't complain. got a sunburn, acquired another deskbox...speaking of which i'ma want to test trinque's makefile bonanza soon, may be firing derpquestions. << cool! i need some sunshine myself.	[20:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92253 @ 0.00055802 = 51.479 BTC [-] {2}	[20:26]
mod6	is this an x86-64 box?	[20:26]
mod6	'sgottabe if its new	[20:29]
mod6	win	[20:29]
mod6	https://adamsarson.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/riding-the-bull.gif	[20:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SxTwoV )	[20:32]
mod6	who wants to help ole mod6?	[20:45]
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mod6	!up shinohai	[20:45]
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shinohai	heh I need to verify	[20:46]
mod6	i need separate sets of eyes to review this logic part here for low-s:	[20:46]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/2MRYCCX.txt	[20:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KrJpu3 )	[20:46]
mod6	the first line is the actual tx, and this part "DEBUG DER S: " comes from: printf("DEBUG DER S: 0x%s ", BN_bn2hex(sig->s));	[20:47]
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mod6	so anyway, i think that one is correct.	[20:48]
shinohai	Also mod6 re: version strings, placing flags first had zero effect so I probably did something wrong. :/	[20:49]
mod6	paste your command string in here.	[20:49]
mod6	we'll get it figured out	[20:49]
shinohai	nohup bitcoind -setverstring=bitcoind -setvernum=99997 -conf=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -datadir=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/ -logtimestamps -myip=127.0.0.1 -verifyall 2>&1 &	[20:51]
mod6	asciilifeform: ^^	[20:51]
mod6	does bitcoind start, even if the verstring doesn't change?	[20:52]
shinohai	Yeah it starts and shows no errors in logs or anything.	[20:52]
mod6	just still has version 9.99.99 or whatever it is?	[20:52]
mod6	(instead of 9.99.97) ?	[20:53]
shinohai	yup. still shows 9.99.99 in start and when I do getinfo	[20:53]
mod6	hmm.	[20:53]
shinohai	But - needless distraction for I am sure you need to concentrate the real effort on this S value problem. >.>	[20:54]
shinohai	If it comes back with a version of "Bitcoin Classic XT" I'm done.	[20:54]
mod6	lel	[20:56]
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pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[21:01]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 418.51, Best ask: 419.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 419.0, 24 hour volume: 82673.72424267, 24 hour low: 375.01, 24 hour high: 428.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[21:01]
thestringpuller	Announcing Bitcoin Classic Lite	[21:02]
jurov	80 kWh in "consumer" li-ion cells is ~60k	[21:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00055802 = 17.9682 BTC [-]	[21:02]
jurov	60k$	[21:02]
jurov	did the same calculation about nimh, it actually comes out similar	[21:03]
jurov	while you need more sells, nimh should be less fickle	[21:03]
jurov	*more cells	[21:03]
jurov	and they will self-discharge 4% per day, nothing for occassional usage :D	[21:05]
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mod6	i need chalk board	[21:06]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378832 << wd mate. what year's your suburban ?	[21:25]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 19:27:41; mod6: no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes.	[21:25]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell gabrielradio plox to translate http://trilema.com/2012/cum-sa-fii-peste-ghid-simplu-pe-inteles-si-exhaustiv/ :)	[21:27]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:27]
assbot	Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcOEDt )	[21:27]
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mod6	pete_dushenski: thx, it's old '08	[21:30]
mod6	new ones are like seventyfive racks	[21:31]
pete_dushenski	body style changed in 07 tho, neh ?	[21:31]
pete_dushenski	2014/15 or w/e is but ugly with those spangly leds	[21:31]
mod6	yeah, a bit. the new ones look even less curvy than mine,... more of a boxy look	[21:31]
mod6	i guess im just happy that i have windows that roll up and heat. that old shitter that i got for free (basically) was pretty cold driving down the freeway at 65mph when it's -25 F.	[21:32]
mod6	and there were some sort of vermin living in there.	[21:32]
pete_dushenski	tbh i like yours the best. but i might just be partial to that gen because i sold a couple of 'em in my day even ;)	[21:33]
mod6	its a pretty nice vehicle. its like all the power of a full-size truck with some extra seating.	[21:33]
mod6	you never know when you might need to fit 7 hookers in the car.	[21:34]
shinohai	^	[21:34]
pete_dushenski	or a 72-point buck	[21:34]
mod6	shit, yeah.	[21:34]
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pete_dushenski	trucks are all about "what if..."	[21:35]
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pete_dushenski	http://bankunderground.co.uk/2016/01/20/the-cheque-republic-money-in-a-modern-economy-with-no-banks/	[21:44]
assbot	The cheque republic: money in a modern economy with no banks. \| Bank Underground ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyVZ5J )	[21:44]
pete_dushenski	^ireland in 1970s as case study	[21:46]
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pete_dushenski	http://arxiv.org/pdf/1601.03313v1.pdf << maybe clitler is using robo-speech writers already ?	[21:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UcQaFr )	[21:48]
pete_dushenski	"Many political speeches show the same structures and same characteristics regardless of the actual topic. Some phrases and arguments appear again and again and indicate a certain political affiliation or opinion. We want to use these remarkable patterns to train a system that generates new speeches"	[21:49]
pete_dushenski	obviously the 'researchers' were able to take us congressional floor debates, chop 'em up, and spit out something that sounds no worse. garbage in, garbage out. now try this with actual debates from actual history and see how far you get. my guess : not far.	[21:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43252 @ 0.00055742 = 24.1095 BTC [-] {2}	[21:52]
BingoBoingo	Last block, quite the stinker by F2Pool	[21:58]
pete_dushenski	how so ?	[21:59]
BingoBoingo	Long verification time.	[22:00]
ben_vulpes	mod6: didja ever share an actual patch for the code you're working on? brief face-grep through logs reveals nada	[22:01]
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mod6	no i haven't yet.	[22:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00055816 = 44.904 BTC [+]	[22:04]
mod6	thanks for asking. i just went through my high-S enforcement code by hand, and i know for sure that I have an error in there. about to fix it and try that out.	[22:05]
mod6	ok changes made. gonna recompile send some test txn, then if all seems well, will share my vpatch	[22:14]
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*	mod6 is not a fan of the style used in here	[22:20]
mod6	(the code)	[22:20]
mod6	it's like	[22:20]
mod6	if (thing)	[22:20]
mod6	{	[22:20]
mod6	// stuff	[22:20]
mod6	}	[22:20]
mod6	rather than:	[22:20]
mod6	if(thing) {	[22:20]
mod6	// stuff	[22:20]
mod6	}	[22:20]
mod6	guess its just a personal pref. shrug	[22:21]
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mod6	i guess this is funny because back when I first started writing code, a hundred million internet years ago, i liked the first way better.	[22:26]
mod6	go figure.	[22:26]
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mod6	;;later tell pete_dushenski Salud!	[22:33]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	some of these comments https://archive.is/Nnd81	[22:34]
assbot	So Gavin, will you hold the repository keys to Main Bitcoin classic repo ? : Bitcoin_Classic ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnnEC5 )	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[22:37]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 422.6, Best ask: 422.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 422.61, 24 hour volume: 82797.3201925, 24 hour low: 377.17, 24 hour high: 428.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	this death is unimpressive.	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	Seriously	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	turns out all the "richest country in the world" could muster was a coupla days' of 10% and a readily defeated pair of anonymous junkies.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	reminds me of a story of rachel welch's bra and the most important man in the world.	[22:40]
BingoBoingo	Couldn't keep it up any longer than it too ACH to clear new fiat into exchanges	[22:40]
deedbot-	[Qntra] IMF: Bitcoin Features Present "Risks" To Us - http://qntra.net/2016/01/imf-bitcoin-features-present-risks-to-us/	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	heh. the imf has no trb mandate, nor will it.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	so that settles that.	[22:42]
BingoBoingo	pretty much	[22:51]
mod6	;;tslb	[22:53]
gribble	Time since last block: 18 minutes and 8 seconds	[22:53]
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mod6	;;tslb	[23:05]
gribble	Time since last block: 1 minute and 59 seconds	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	;;tslf	[23:19]
gribble	Error: "tslf" is not a valid command.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	awww.	[23:19]
mod6	i got another tx dropped on the floor. im also 2 blocks behind, so not sure if it cares.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	shouldn't.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	this is turning into quite the bitch is it ?	[23:20]
mod6	this test tx was processed by the original code.	[23:20]
mod6	mircea_popescu: eh, ya. but worthwhile.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	if nothing else, an instructive foray into the incredible fragility of the network.	[23:21]
mod6	here's the tx: bf990fa50a4ea2c13dbe8f65c42c5fcb7b3439109b0c2d0e22081960a9c5fe9a	[23:21]
mod6	yah, no doubt.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	i can't see it anywhere. it never propagated past your next hop odds are.	[23:22]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/2SCEN42.txt	[23:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OxTcm4 )	[23:22]
mod6	yeah, im sure it never made it out	[23:22]
mod6	just kinda documenting here a bit.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/41vjyp/pay_no_attention_to_sky_high_pe_ratios_outlandish/ << who's this ?	[23:23]
mod6	first tx with original code went through np.	[23:23]
assbot	Pay no attention to sky high P/E ratios, outlandish global debt, or market selling restrictions. Continue to transfer your hard earned money to fund managers, like a good citizen. : investing ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxTmdh )	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	anyway, what's the true truth of truthiness BingoBoingo, is hearn quitted or did he quit like stolfi ?	[23:31]
mod6	another dropped on the floor.	[23:35]
mod6	im gonna do 3 per option: orig/low/high	[23:36]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/2KVKR0N.txt	[23:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SycRGl )	[23:36]
mod6	(a work in progress)	[23:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148119 @ 0.00055714 = 82.523 BTC [-] {2}	[23:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: He's prolly going to turn Stolfi, haven't tracked to see if he's done so already	[23:51]
BingoBoingo	in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet	[23:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48950 @ 0.00055608 = 27.2201 BTC [-] {2}	[23:56]
BingoBoingo	"end on January"	[23:58]
BingoBoingo	Prolly something about seeing how much has would actually commit to their dumpster fire	[23:58]

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