Forum logs for 20 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
ben_vulpes << curse of the bezzletron [00:06]
assbot Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:42; pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi [00:06]
ben_vulpes "writing in languages i hate with people i love to be used by hominids i'd not waste a carrot on" or what was it [00:07]
ben_vulpes there's something about working nearly alone as a sniper versus together with some people you don't really hate all that much as fuel convoy unit [00:09]
asciilifeform mod6: very spiffy [00:09]
mod6 thx alf [00:09]
asciilifeform mod6: consider refreshing plox [00:10]
assbot VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( ) [00:10]
mod6 its on the list, probably will when this latest thing is done. [00:12]
asciilifeform << how's that ? [00:15]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 02:31:49; ben_vulpes: unless you want to make all os widgets take up vastly more space too [00:15]
asciilifeform and here i thought they actually had 100% relative coordinates ? [00:15]
asciilifeform (e.g., line thicknesses specified as % of screen size, etc) [00:15]
mircea_popescu no wai ?! [00:17]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: your choices are to either diddle screen rez or 'zoom' on browser, non? [00:17]
asciilifeform the latter - typically ~works~ [00:17]
ben_vulpes typically, and sort of. [00:18]
ben_vulpes lol bitcoin classic on slack [00:18]
ben_vulpes why do i even read this shit [00:19]
asciilifeform ... to fall asleep ?? [00:19]
ben_vulpes that's what gibson and pynchon and heller are for [00:20]
ben_vulpes and blowjobs [00:20]
ben_vulpes unrelatedly, people updated the coffee wheel: [00:22]
assbot ... ( ) [00:22]
asciilifeform this...exists/!!! [00:23]
ben_vulpes surprised? [00:23]
mircea_popescu "The situation has evolved. XT unfortunately didn't get the momentum that it should have had thanks to endless FUD/threats/censorship/ddosing etc" [00:23]
mircea_popescu ahahaha THE SITUATION HAS EVOLVED. [00:23]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform...lives in dc, probably thinks coffee comes in "burnt" and "not" [00:24]
ben_vulpes wine in "red" and "white [00:24]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the 'not' is only available in one's own kitchen [00:24]
asciilifeform and only if you fry own beans [00:25]
phf as opposed to "artisanal" and "bespoken" as they differentiate things in portland [00:25]
mircea_popescu zing. [00:25]
mircea_popescu someone's been drinking from kako's coffee mug. [00:25]
asciilifeform at $firm they have something like 7 ~different~ devices for making coffee. [00:26]
asciilifeform one of which is a frightening industrial thing that takes 'ammo' and is plumbed straight into the standpipe [00:26]
asciilifeform (you load it like a cannon) [00:27]
asciilifeform the rest are 'artisanal' kettles of various shapes and types, much glass, many small parts [00:27]
ben_vulpes you guys live in fucking zimbabwe [00:29]
ben_vulpes there is no artisanal anything, there are just a bunch of hipsters competing to roast beans well [00:30]
ben_vulpes and no you cannot roast them in your kitchen because you can't get the good shit because you don't buy by the teu [00:30]
ben_vulpes wtf [00:30]
asciilifeform aha prolly not [00:31]
* asciilifeform hasn't tried. [00:31]
ben_vulpes just takes a paint drying gun and some practice [00:31]
* ben_vulpes knows the guy who invented the field-roasting technique [00:31]
ben_vulpes 'not' also available in my office, which i suppose doesn't count because also 'my kitchen' [00:32]
* ben_vulpes bought a new clever and a new kettle for the new staffers today to parallelize the coffee production [00:33]
ben_vulpes << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable [00:33]
assbot Attention Required! | CloudFlare ... ( ) [00:33]
asciilifeform << related. [00:33]
assbot Huel | Nutritionally Complete Powdered Food ... ( ) [00:33]
asciilifeform ^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd') [00:34]
asciilifeform 'Why we need Huel? We are in the middle of a food crisis. Modern food production methods are inefficient, inhumane, and unsustainable. The world produces 1.5 times enough food to feed every person on the planet, yet over 800 million people do not have enough food to eat. .... On top of that Britons are getting fatter and more unhealthy ...' [00:34]
asciilifeform sooo turns out that mircea_popescu was right about pretty much everything... [00:35]
ben_vulpes what now, peers and mempool? [00:35]
asciilifeform nah, the part where we get to die while eating (or not getting quite enough of) gloop. [00:36]
ben_vulpes what we [00:37]
asciilifeform i & the other inmates [00:37]
asciilifeform and anybody else who falls in. [00:38]
asciilifeform << i think we have this on the grounds ! but it was of glass [00:39]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 03:32:27; ben_vulpes: << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable [00:39]
mircea_popescu lol [00:40]
mircea_popescu you been saying that a lot lately. [00:40]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: you'd have a simple pour-over, not an immersion hybrid. [00:41]
asciilifeform incidentally i'd actually rather have a plastic flask than one of faux pyrex [00:41]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: do please link [00:41]
asciilifeform (the brand 'pyrex' now refers to NON-BOROSILICATE!!11111 glass!11) [00:41]
mircea_popescu !s was right [00:41]
assbot 682 results for 'was right' : [00:41]
asciilifeform yes, it is now able to crack under thermal stress [00:41]
ben_vulpes it is a /brand/ name [00:41]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha. ~actual~ borosilicate pyrex is extinct now, outside of a lab [00:42]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ah i see [00:42]
ben_vulpes << intriqued to hear what the poker afficionados have to say [00:42]
assbot Secrets of the MIT Poker Course ... ( ) [00:42]
ben_vulpes ahahaha [00:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not-from-a-good-life, i was forced to leave my damaged capsule, suit up, and go to the merciless, meteorite-pocked surface where mircea_popescu was right ! [00:43]
asciilifeform in every crater ! [00:43]
mircea_popescu cheapo if desperate trick to get imbecile white ustards to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be transferred to their pudgy skins ? [00:43]
ben_vulpes from the bikeportland followup: "Hagg said he thinks the solution to problems like that is to drive troublemakers away." << even the motherfucking /bums/ know that you have to drive the worthless fucks off if anyone's to have a decent party. [00:43]
mircea_popescu what do you mean even. only the bums know. [00:44]
asciilifeform next up: tricks of the Doom masters. [00:45]
* asciilifeform had 'tricks of the unix masters', old maculature crud, on his shelf as a student, and an actual greybeard saw, asked 'where is your 'tricks of the doom masters' to go next to this' [00:46]
mircea_popescu :D [00:47]
mircea_popescu apt. [00:47]
asciilifeform << very respectable former su prof of physics, teaching at a certain mega-uni in boston, once informed me that the typical 'attention span' of american undergrad is about 6 min. [00:48]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 03:42:08; mircea_popescu: cheapo if desperate trick to get imbecile white ustards to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be transferred to their pudgy skins ? [00:48]
asciilifeform can take this, or leave it. [00:48]
mircea_popescu i was half hoping hearn would get together with the bitcoin wife and that impossibly named, horsefaced washington staffer chick and create a hot love triangle of "How I created Bitcoin successfully, a guide" "Level your DB" etc. [00:49]
mircea_popescu all bestsellers, show up on regis and what's the cunt's name, the whole nine miles. [00:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not enough for a single block even. [00:49]
asciilifeform aha. [00:51]
phf не веришь, прими за сказку [00:51]
asciilifeform ^ [00:51]
asciilifeform сказка ложь да в ней намёк добрым молодцам урок (tm) (r) [00:52]
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asciilifeform << i shit thee not, personally knew a chick who wanked to rms but - afaik - never mustered the courage to write to him [00:54]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 01:59:05; mircea_popescu: << it is possible rms never sexed. [00:54]
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asciilifeform so it is conceivable [00:54]
asciilifeform perhaps rms relies on... bees ? [00:54]
asciilifeform for pollination. [00:55]
phf so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt [00:58]
asciilifeform i have heard these same legends. [00:59]
asciilifeform though, according to the man's autobio material, he was a 'square' in the 1960s [00:59]
asciilifeform physics student with 'horn glasses' etc. [01:00]
asciilifeform no political acts at all. [01:00]
* asciilifeform bbl. [01:00]
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BingoBoingo ^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd') << /me does breakfast as powder [01:11]
phf sick gains [01:11]
BingoBoingo Well, need the caffeine from instant coffee mixed in to have the energy to make a pot of brewed coffee [01:13]
BingoBoingo It's also not like I can go into the yard and pluck a tomatoe for breakfast in the middle of winter [01:14]
* BingoBoingo still in recovery. It is through the strategic superiority of #b-a that I stopped being a drunk ass online in time to enjoy the irony of USGToomim Mark M be a stoned ass online [01:19]
phf i know a few aa people, seems like it helped them to get their drinking under control [01:25]
BingoBoingo It seems to work better for some people than others. [01:25]
phf i know this guy, a master carpenter, he builds wooden structures at burning man (infrastructural stuff, not "art"). he's been clean for 30 years now, but it's a constant aa-ing for him. "an acoholic can never be free", etc. i guess it's working for him, but it's hell of depressing mindset [01:28]
BingoBoingo Eh, he's also weighing it against the alternative. [01:29]
BingoBoingo Some people, like prolly myself, prolly really shouldn't be drinking. [01:29]
BingoBoingo At least not in American society as it is presently structured [01:30]
BingoBoingo But I was born too late to be a Viking beserker [01:30]
phf i agree, for all the jokes about russian vodka, this is a country of functioning alcoholics, with no outlet. [01:33]
phf 9-5, couple of beers to wind down, friday evening everyone gets shit faced at a bar, year after year. [01:34]
phf combined with sedentary lifestyle.. [01:35]
danielpbarron >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one. [01:35]
assbot A True Church - Alcoholics Anonymous ... ( ) [01:35]
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BingoBoingo Given the demographic, I doubt the 12 steps could help very many alcoholics and addicts if they were stictly remade in A True Church (TM)(R) [01:39]
mats rofl [01:39]
mats >But I was born too late to be a Viking beserker [01:39]
danielpbarron nobody can be helped if God hasn't created them for the purpose of being helped. [01:41]
BingoBoingo Maybe at some point a few people can graduate from AA to A True Church, but atm I am happy with the job Brodin the Allspotter is doing as my higher power. Wheymen. [01:41]
BingoBoingo Anyways in Chapter 5 of the Big Book "How It Works" they mention the goal is spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection. [01:44]
mats can emigrate to hood and go into battle whenever you feel like it [01:44]
danielpbarron it's a false spirit, one that doesn't save [01:45]
BingoBoingo Bill W's ibogaine trip in the hospital seemed to work enoug to get the ball rolling. [01:46]
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ben_vulpes wheymen [01:50]
danielpbarron >> The influence of the A.A. society has been massive and widespread. A.A. cooperates with a large variety of groups which includes the U. S. court system. Judges often order people to be involved in A.A. as a part of a rehabilitation effort. [01:50]
BingoBoingo The courts system is more inflicted upon AA. [01:51]
BingoBoingo People sent by the courts often aren't ready for step 1 and many times violate the criteria for membership by not having a desire to quit drinking as outlined in tradition 3. [01:52]
danielpbarron >> 12. - And finally, we of Alcoholics Anonymous believe that the principle of anonymity has an immense spiritual significance. [01:53]
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BingoBoingo Or course AA was Anons before chantards were. "Principles before Personalities" [01:55]
BingoBoingo Also some people relapse which would be embarassing in the organization had a bunch of public faces. [01:55]
danielpbarron but they are anon for the exact same reason >> They keep it anonymous, because they are evil and they do not want themselves and their evil deeds to be exposed, as it is written, Everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. (John 3:20) [01:56]
BingoBoingo It is written in the Big Book "Many of us exclaimed, "What an order! I can't go through with it." Do not be discouraged. No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles. We are not saints. The point is, that we are willing to grow along spiritual lines. The principles we have set down are guides to progress. We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection." page 60 [01:58]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [02:03]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 376.26, vol: 9283.33253127 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.838, vol: 5714.56935 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 381.31, vol: 19090.40775517 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 356.88, vol: 1.15686788 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 384.83056, vol: 38619.08910000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 387.807, vol: 73.5997454 | Volume-weighted last average: 382.660080494 [02:03]
* ben_vulpes is enjoying the bible vs. big book citation spats [02:05]
BingoBoingo lol [02:05]
phf i've literally just made popcorn [02:05]
trinque hail satan [02:05]
danielpbarron either you are a liar claiming to believe in a false god that you know doesn't really exist, or you actually believe in the false god. In either case, your "spiritual progress" is not towards the truth but rather a damning lie. [02:07]
BingoBoingo There's a difference between searching to stay out of the next life and trying to get to not dying in this one. p44 chapter 4 "We Agnostics" But it isn't so difficult. About half our original fellowship were of exactly that type. At first some of us tried to avoid the issue, hoping against hope we were not true alcoholics. But after a while we had to face the fact that we must find a spiritual basis of life - or else. Perhaps it i [02:08]
BingoBoingo s going to be that way with you. But cheer up, something like half of us thought we were atheists or agnostics. Our experience shows that you need not be disconcerted." [02:08]
BingoBoingo But, for srs. If I go back to drinking as I did it's only a matter of time before my portal vein blows out. [02:10]
ben_vulpes hail brodin [02:11]
BingoBoingo In the battle between living to see socialist stomped and drinking as I please... sober relflection demands I do the former instead of the later. [02:11]
danielpbarron or you might find the truth >> Proverbs 31:6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those who are bitter of heart. [02:12]
ben_vulpes danielpbarron: it's a particular reprogramming that doesn't have much to do with the bible. [02:12]
ben_vulpes abdicating choice to someone/something that is "not you" lies at the heart of the thing. [02:13]
phf that's the sensible perspective, but i take it there's an ideological bad blood. this is not first time i've seen christian attack aa. [02:13]
ben_vulpes danielpbarron: have you ever spent much time with the twelve steppers? [02:13]
danielpbarron no [02:13]
ben_vulpes so leave off [02:13]
danielpbarron alcohol has never been my poison [02:13]
ben_vulpes phf: they hear "higher power" and lose their shit. [02:13]
trinque "there can be only one!" [02:14]
ben_vulpes "but it's not the twoooo gawwwwd!" [02:14]
ben_vulpes lookee, nobody cares. [02:14]
danielpbarron true gods or not, AA claims to be a non-religious organization and this is a lie [02:14]
ben_vulpes you've not done the twelve steps, how would you know. [02:15]
BingoBoingo It depends on the definition of religion used. [02:15]
ben_vulpes you've not talked with twelve steppers about what 'higher power' means, how would you know. [02:15]
danielpbarron do I also need to murder to know whether that was right or not? [02:15]
BingoBoingo It's right if you are Abraham [02:15]
danielpbarron I do not need to talk to anyone. I have their own published literature to go by. [02:16]
ben_vulpes you're way over there in your church of self-righteous unexamined life, examining everyone else from a pillar of plugged ears and closed eyes. [02:16]
danielpbarron you are hypocritically judging me, ben_vulpes [02:16]
danielpbarron I am more critical of myself than anyone else [02:16]
ben_vulpes hypocritically how? [02:16]
BingoBoingo Ah, but the published literature misses "sponsorship" [02:16]
ben_vulpes i judge liberally [02:16]
phf that's how they do in portland [02:16]
danielpbarron nothing wrong with judging, but you are the one who suggested I am in the wrong for doing exactly that [02:17]
ben_vulpes read just a skosh closer dude [02:17]
ben_vulpes for not actually talking to the practitioners [02:17]
* BingoBoingo only laments he hasn't found the meetings with the pretty girls so he can be 13th stepped [02:17]
danielpbarron I reject your premise that these people need to be talked to in order for me to know they are wrong [02:18]
ben_vulpes "o i dun need to talk to them, i read some ancient texts. this is how we do in my church so it's the right way to do things elsewhere." [02:18]
ben_vulpes you assume you know what they mean by higher power man [02:18]
trinque it is the mechanism of submission, plain and simple. [02:18]
* BingoBoingo can see nothing wrong in a way of life that offers him the possibility of living to see socialism crushed [02:19]
trinque how one can see how it works in "the church" and not elsewhere is a matter of selective blindness. [02:19]
ben_vulpes "higher power must mean what i mean by god, and so therefore HEWETICS" [02:19]
trinque plus satan has way better music. [02:19]
danielpbarron I assume nothing. They say themselves what "higher power" means >> Because of the A.A. policy of a "God, as we understand Him," A.A. is a den of demonic activity. In the booklet, Conscious Contact, they write, . . . there are probably as many different ideas about a Higher Power, or God, as there are people in Twelve Step programs. (p. 8) [02:19]
ben_vulpes oh right those three letters [02:20]
ben_vulpes i guess you're right then [02:20]
BingoBoingo Not everone can be Abraham to take the trip to Moriah [02:20]
* ben_vulpes imagines danielpbarron getting a hold of a mistranslation of other ancient texts, declaring fatwa [02:21]
BingoBoingo Who can have faith as Abraham, the father of faith did? [02:21]
danielpbarron you can [02:21]
phf this is similar to concept of ishvara, i.e. a true divinity of chosen denomination, from the yoga sutras. it's the idea that interpretation allows for non yhvh [02:21]
phf that irks christian missionaries and such [02:22]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: I can't even get to infinite resignation yet. [02:22]
danielpbarron who says you should? [02:23]
* BingoBoingo pulls out "Fear and Trembling" which I've been reading as a part of step three [02:23]
BingoBoingo Eh, my copy's not in the original language. Could be a bad translation. [02:25]
ben_vulpes phf: there can only be one!1 [02:25]
trinque and definitely isn't you! [02:26]
BingoBoingo In other news, our Nigerian Prince is at a loss for words [02:26]
assbot Recent Bitcoin Direction | Qntra ... ( ) [02:26]
ben_vulpes trinque: danielpbarron has the /truth/ you see [02:27]
ben_vulpes from these scrolls [02:27]
trinque pack it in boys; we're done here. [02:27]
trinque group of sheep fuckers that were excluded from the interesting happenings of their own time wrote down all the facts of life [02:28]
BingoBoingo You know... It would prolly be easier to V-ify the Big Book for provenance than an English Bible translation. [02:29]
ben_vulpes hey now trinque insanely long book of retarded rules says no fucking sheep, nobody fucked sheep that's racist [02:30]
* BingoBoingo actually envies danielpbarron his faith [02:30]
trinque ben_vulpes: you gotta read between the lines mang [02:31]
trinque if it bothers to prohibit sheep fucking... there was sheep fucking [02:31]
trinque that's a hard rule of history right there [02:31]
ben_vulpes NO [02:31]
* ben_vulpes plugs ears, sings [02:31]
* BingoBoingo though seriously has to start exploring new meetings to find the ones with the pretty girls, so that he may be 13th stepped. [02:31]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: hasn't found the sex addict 12-step groups yet? [02:32]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Those seem to be a coastal thing [02:32]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu linked a lulzy story about rape fantasizers visiting those [02:32]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: weird, i was under the impression they went to 'munches' on the coast [02:33]
ben_vulpes 8192 goddamn inodes [02:33]
ben_vulpes woo [02:33]
* BingoBoingo not totally up on the lingo [02:33]
phf like where you carpet munch? [02:34]
BingoBoingo ;;nethash [02:35]
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ben_vulpes some no doubt derpy bdsm get-together [02:35]
ben_vulpes i'm sure fails to measure up to mircea_popescu's discriminating eye in some way or another [02:36]
ben_vulpes > sheep fuckers [02:38]
ben_vulpes hey man i have cohen markers i'll have you know [02:38]
BingoBoingo Hey, some of those sheep fuckers were Jews [02:39]
ben_vulpes original sheepfuckers no doubt [02:39]
punkman "I was only trying to help that sheep over the fence!" [02:40]
ben_vulpes you see that bank over there? [02:43]
ben_vulpes and you know the other one over in mecca? [02:44]
ben_vulpes i built those and five more just like them throughout the fertile crescent. [02:44]
ben_vulpes but do they call me isaac the banker? [02:44]
trinque punkman │ "I was only trying to help that sheep over the fence!" << wahahaha [02:46]
trinque hey my ancestors were romans; I'm sure they fucked all kinds of things [02:46]
trinque or why do anything at all! [02:46]
ben_vulpes hey it's warm and concave [02:46]
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BingoBoingo ^ Keccak mining info [03:04]
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BingoBoingo lulz [04:19]
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BingoBoingo Let's time warp back to M Toomim's spam from January 2015 still pimping the voting site [04:30]
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assbot throckmortonsign comments on Why is a hard fork still necessary? ... ( ) [05:40]
fluffypony if there's a contentious fork then Bitcoin Core will fork to change the PoW [05:41]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Discussion started when luke made a troll submission to change the "classic" POW and MP said in channel he wouldn't go to war over proof of work change which he later elaborated on Trilema and which was pointed out on QNtra. [05:49]
BingoBoingo Gotta keep up with the news. [05:49]
BingoBoingo But hopefully there enough sanity in the pools to keep the trigger from being pulled. [05:50]
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BingoBoingo Because another decade of this standoff would be just swell [05:51]
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jurov haha enjoyed the logs [08:35]
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assbot Giant snow penis baffles Swedish town ... ( ) [09:14]
jurov "Unfortunately for those trying to eradicate the member, the snow penis was on thin ice, literally." [09:14]
mircea_popescu lol [09:14]
mircea_popescu hm is this thing even on ? [09:20]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo << was re-reading, not bad huh. [09:26]
assbot CEO | Bingo Blog ... ( ) [09:26]
mircea_popescu << incidentally, anyone know the french version of this ? [09:30]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 03:51:04; asciilifeform: сказка ложь да в ней намёк добрым молодцам урок (tm) (r) [09:30]
mircea_popescu i'm particularly fond of that particular expression of the concept. [09:30]
mircea_popescu << was this before or after he was petrified of cacti and wouldn't wash ? also cat'd from same source. [09:31]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 03:57:35; phf: so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt [09:31]
mircea_popescu i dunno, maybe they make womanhood differently in teh 2nd best korea, but from what i've seen poor hygiene is an absolute bar for sexual congress. [09:31]
mircea_popescu let it further be reflected in teh republican record that having been in a position to both hear the student body consensus on which of the undegrad sluts fucked which profs as well as through personally being induced in the professoral social circle actually see with mine own eyes the reality of the matter, there's always some exaggeration afoot. [09:34]
mircea_popescu profs do fuck students on occasion (as they well should), but that occasion is rarer than it would be reasonably expected. meanwhile the student body gossip is almost entirely driven by the overactive sexual imagination of the undersexed bois. if the same bois were mere stable hands, relegated to hard labour and a bed of hay in the barn, just like their proud antecessors actually were, you'd be hearing stories about ho [09:36]
mircea_popescu w the daughters of the lady of the house fucked the bull. [09:36]
shinohai [09:41]
assbot Dutch arrest 10 men suspected of using Bitcoin to launder money [09:41]
mircea_popescu i wonder if they voted in any of the numerous redditconsensuses to date. [09:43]
mircea_popescu "Hoen said the actual drug sellers were the subject of a continuing investigation by the country's drug squad, although 15 kilograms of chemical precursors for the manufacture of Ecstasy were found in raids on Tuesday." [09:43]
mircea_popescu ah, launder bs. pill dealers. [09:43]
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mircea_popescu apparently that stuff is still as huge in the yurp as it was in the disco boom era. [09:44]
mircea_popescu you'd think the so called fashion drugs actually obeyed some sort of fashion cyclicity. [09:44]
mircea_popescu "According to an account in De Telegraaf newspaper, which was invited to witness the raids, the men were caught due to large amounts of money being frequently deposited into their bank accounts and then quickly withdrawn in cash from ATMs." [09:44]
mircea_popescu herp. [09:44]
shinohai I am glad my drug needs are relatively simple. X never made the list. [09:44]
mircea_popescu In all more than 250 law enforcement officials participated in Tuesday's raids. << 20mn / 250 means productivity per capita for "law enforcement official" is about 80k. basically they wouldn't pull their weight as engineers, barely qualified to work for mcdonalds. [09:45]
mircea_popescu i think that's about what average mcd employee pulls in for the comp. [09:45]
mircea_popescu << - >> [09:46]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 04:17:53; *: BingoBoingo still in recovery. It is through the strategic superiority of #b-a that I stopped being a drunk ass online in time to enjoy the irony of USGToomim Mark M be a stoned ass online [09:46]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 04:10:37; phf: sick gains [09:46]
mircea_popescu for srsly. [09:46]
mircea_popescu << you realise that's mostly the marketing of the "aa" thing, right ? "let's find these addictive personalities at their most vulnerable and try to replace their addiction of choice with a bland surogate that promotes our self-interest". [09:47]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 04:26:44; phf: i know this guy, a master carpenter, he builds wooden structures at burning man (infrastructural stuff, not "art"). he's been clean for 30 years now, but it's a constant aa-ing for him. "an acoholic can never be free", etc. i guess it's working for him, but it's hell of depressing mindset [09:47]
mircea_popescu in fairfness, they didn't think this out, merely copied the church, but nevertheless. [09:48]
mircea_popescu learned helplessness. [09:48]
mircea_popescu (and also castration, because that's the deep content there, "do not dare be a man, men can sin". yeah, i'm sure, let's all be women and have things "just happen and occur to us" and hold hands and be victims. anyone say rape's inevitable in this context ? BURN THE WITCH!!1) [09:49]
mircea_popescu << he has a point you know. takes all of half an hour to make this switch, be a berserker for the rest of your life. and his choice of venue is wise, too. nigga prolly throw you mad respects for the move, because it'd be as far as anyone has EVER seen, or heard tale told, the FIRST case a pale face did something. [09:51]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 04:43:39; mats: can emigrate to hood and go into battle whenever you feel like it [09:51]
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asciilifeform quite unrelated, but lulzy, [09:58]
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asciilifeform (the stratfor link alone is hilarious. somehow i missed this.) [09:59]
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mircea_popescu i can't fucking believe how inadequate emacs is for playwriting. [10:16]
mircea_popescu suppose i want to see what solarino said. what, do i grep ? what if i want to see his grammar, regexp ?! suppose i want to see his rare word usage, what do i do, perl from a list ? [10:17]
mircea_popescu whenever man sits down to do anything, man discovers that he is in all likelihood the first man to have ever sat down to do that one thing. [10:17]
mircea_popescu i dunno wtf all those dudes fixated on virginity in their women don't get into programming. fucking virgin field as far as the eye can see, it could be 1815 for all anyone'd know. [10:18]
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mircea_popescu in unrelated (really ?) news, two simultaneous (as in, same second) okcupid messages : GEUINEME, 59, Straight, Woman, Single, 160cm from Miami FL says "You are disgusting ugly piece of humanity !!!! Men like you should be castrated thrown in the desert to be lost forever with never a chance of seeing Another human being." whereas ZenRoots, 23, Straight, Man, Single from Lacey, WA says "Dude what your badass. Keep livin [10:23]
mircea_popescu g it​". we thank our listeners and now invite you to enjoy together with us the infinite blue! [10:23]
mircea_popescu [10:23]
assbot Angela Similea - Un albastru infinit (regia Viorel Sergovici) - YouTube ... ( ) [10:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Connecting to reddit failed. Double check the url" [10:26]
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mircea_popescu << quite exactly that. anonymity is infantilizing. [10:29]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 04:54:26; BingoBoingo: Also some people relapse which would be embarassing in the organization had a bunch of public faces. [10:29]
mircea_popescu << hear, hear. [10:30]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 05:03:53; *: ben_vulpes is enjoying the bible vs. big book citation spats [10:30]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [10:31]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.12, Best ask: 396.69, Bid-ask spread: 0.57000, Last trade: 396.68, 24 hour volume: 29769.57211061, 24 hour low: 375.01, 24 hour high: 399.0, 24 hour vwap: None [10:31]
mircea_popescu o noes! but bitcoin was dying because lolz, and then it recovered because why ?! WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED! [10:32]
mircea_popescu fucktards. don't even own enough dough to buy my flock stockings. [10:32]
mircea_popescu biggest country in the world [of our imagination] [10:32]
mircea_popescu << technically the view is as to HIGHEST power, not as to higher power. the idea that there may be no intermediation between god and man is a relatively novel innovation, broadly specific to anglo neoprotestants. (in this context "anglo" means mostly means dutch) [10:34]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 05:12:46; trinque: "there can be only one!" [10:34]
mircea_popescu otherwise the doctrine as well as the history is fulla intermediations and intermediants. [10:34]
mircea_popescu << consider my objection with the ponzi talk ( ). it's an absurd notion, this. all metaphysics can be reframed as "a religious discussion", arguing as to whether it is or it isn't is fundamentally defective (and keeping discussions strictly physical is extremely difficult, even for trained practitioners, which [10:36]
mircea_popescu is why science sucks and math blows). [10:36]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 05:13:28; danielpbarron: true gods or not, AA claims to be a non-religious organization and this is a lie [10:36]
assbot Logged on 19-01-2016 23:22:41; mircea_popescu: (in the other view : all currency is always and necessarily a ponzi scheme. and "fraudulent" in a sense.) [10:36]
mircea_popescu which is why nobody bothers to engage the derps going "bitcoin/b-a/whatever is a cult!11". sure, whatever, it's a cult. not as much as your "feminism" "environment" "government" "state will save us" blabla. [10:37]
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mircea_popescu more broadly, there's no merit in trying to hold categorical discussions with idiots, they're both incapable of keeping the categories straight and also believe that their "best weapon" is to muddy them up. [10:38]
mircea_popescu usually an unconscious belief, but nevertheless, all-permeating. [10:38]
mircea_popescu << technically, yes. consider any fanatic dude going "oh, if i only had the opportunity to kill hiltler before he could do all that damage!!1" gets his opportunity and is now explaining to a munchen court why he dispatched the 9yo boy with a pickaxe. what do you say, "i guess it's one of those where you had to be there" ? [10:43]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 05:14:18; danielpbarron: do I also need to murder to know whether that was right or not? [10:43]
mircea_popescu i suppose the thing to do is "raise awareness" on reddit, get 51% of "the people" to agree the forked history is better off and then there you go, consensus has been achieved and all is well. [10:45]
mircea_popescu the irony of this being EXACTLY how it works out in practice being why we even made laws to begin with is of course lost on the proponents. [10:45]
mircea_popescu but, let us quote for the memory of it. "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears - I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." [10:49]
mircea_popescu "Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest – For Brutus is an honourable man; so are they all, all honourable men – come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me, but Brutus says he was ambitious and Brutus is an honourable man." [10:49]
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deedbot- [Trilema] There has not yet been seen a simple thing, even if we're drowning in simple people. - [11:53]
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mircea_popescu and incidentallty, where does one find brideshead revisited text ? why, on, of course. [12:02]
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mircea_popescu BRAJDS HED! [12:02]
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mircea_popescu << bwahahaha the zingers! [12:04]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 05:15:35; phf: that's how they do in portland [12:04]
mircea_popescu << technically speaking, the definition of church is such that there can not be a "somewhere else". [12:05]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 05:17:51; trinque: how one can see how it works in "the church" and not elsewhere is a matter of selective blindness. [12:05]
mircea_popescu in this reading, the bunch of socialist, liberal, rights-and-whatevers, equality-and-environment folk are self-excommunicated, ie they can't take part in the workings of the church. which, judging by the devil-fell-in-holy-water level of hysteria displayed when they encounter submission etc, may not even be that far off. [12:07]
mircea_popescu << ow god, you actually listened to the "satanist" crap ? it's god-awful. heavy metal is one thing, but more iron maiden less weirdo guttural dudes. [12:08]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 05:18:28; trinque: plus satan has way better music. [12:08]
bagels7 How does this WoT feel about racial prejudice? [12:08]
mircea_popescu as in ? [12:09]
bagels7 as in don't lend money to black people because they don't pay back [12:11]
trinque << maiden rules, but I still like this [12:11]
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assbot Mors Principium Est - Bringer Of Light - YouTube ... ( ) [12:11]
trinque a you don't youtube [12:11]
mircea_popescu << sex addiction only exists in sheep. [12:12]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 05:30:51; ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hasn't found the sex addict 12-step groups yet? [12:12]
mircea_popescu bagels7 that's pretty ridiculous. [12:12]
bagels7 my black friend told me "this is a black house DUH" in response to her BF robbing me at his mothers house [12:12]
mircea_popescu aw come on, melodic finns and satanism. unfair! [12:13]
trinque heh! [12:13]
bagels7 the white people who robbed me were crackheads who I trusted with my phone, that's my fault [12:13]
mircea_popescu bagels7 quite. [12:13]
bagels7 if you aren't racist you probably never lent money to a black guy [12:13]
jurov bagels7: the wot is mightily prejudiced against WASPs :D [12:14]
bagels7 jurov: good^ [12:14]
bagels7 I was a brainwashed jehovah witness, it's a wonder I am not a zealot today [12:14]
jurov also, maybe self-professed niggers liek thestringpuller can say sth about it [12:14]
mircea_popescu uh im pretty sure i lent money to black dudes, actually. [12:14]
kakobrekla all my nonpayers were white. [12:16]
bagels7 my employer is black and he is the only one that is trustworthy, He said that out of 30 girls im the only trustworthy one but IDK if he was being nice but probably not [12:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, what your barely-literate friend was trying to convey was that he and his friends regard themselves as sovereign and outside the common mores of fucktardation and idiocy (conveniently equated with white society), and as such pussies get taken in. which is what happened to you. which makes sense, in that context, and has exactly 0 to do with color and everything to do with what you represent as "sexual orientati [12:16]
mircea_popescu on" and they represent as a fundamental failure to thrive. [12:16]
bagels7 my gay/black roomate is going to pay me back the 350 dollars he owes me when it "comes out of his ass". I am never lending money again [12:16]
mircea_popescu o yes you will. [12:17]
jurov bagels7: he asks you for anal probing in other words, no reason to refuse [12:17]
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mircea_popescu homosexuality is a complicated thang. [12:18]
bagels7 jurov: funny, but no, he's not into me, he has a bf now and is a jerk about it like coming in my room to make out then leave, which is inconsiderate considering I am seperated recently [12:19]
mircea_popescu o ? how did you break up ? [12:19]
jurov he's not a jerk, you're a cuck if you allow him [12:20]
bagels7 real fucking bad, alcohol, violence, cops coming and him going to jail for the weekend for being violent with cops [12:20]
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mircea_popescu aww. [12:20]
mircea_popescu move to wash, dc. everyone else is doing it. [12:21]
mircea_popescu maybe you meet a nice aide or something... you never know. [12:21]
bagels7 He is like 250 lbs jurov and he does treat me like a child but he is a bigger spoiled child who claims to be a victim of society while calling his mother every other day. this one time he didnt talk to me for 3 days because we forgot to share a joint with him, and now he is not talking to me because I said "oh fuck off" in response to him calling me fat after i told him not to tell me [12:21]
bagels7 that [12:21]
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bagels7 Like if he really had a hard life like me my dad would beat that arrogance out of him and those disgusting childish manipulating games wouldn't work [12:22]
mircea_popescu << i've once been to a bdsm munch by the boston bdsm munching society. it was pretty pitiful. [12:23]
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mircea_popescu for the record, [12:25]
assbot "but do they call me isaac the banker?" - Recherche Google ... ( ) [12:25]
bagels7 I lived with a BDSM guy by accident and It was the easiest time of my life, I took a 100 dollar taxi ride to a complete stranger i met online the same day because it was midnight and I was in a bad neighborhood on the streets. I didn't know he was an "experienced BDSM master" [12:25]
trinque oh god, that google result's summary.. teh lulz overfloweth [12:26]
bagels7 I would rather be a sexual slave and get raped everyday than go through "childhood" again [12:26]
mircea_popescu i think we has won a google. [12:27]
punkman heh [12:27]
mircea_popescu bagels7 this view is a lot more common than generally realised. [12:27]
bagels7 !search fascism [12:28]
assbot 40 results for 'fascism' : [12:28]
bagels7 mircea_popescu thanks, I feel better about it now thought im still sick of poor black people playing victim when they aren't willing to do my job [12:30]
mircea_popescu !up Xplosionist [12:30]
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Xplosionist Thanks, mircea_popescu. [12:31]
mircea_popescu sure. [12:31]
Xplosionist The bet for redskins was resolved, and the 48 hours passed, but the payout to my address hasn't shown up. [12:31]
mircea_popescu bagels7 what people claim has naught to do with anything else other than what it pays to claim. if society pays for being a victim, they;ll claim being a victim. a century ago when it paid being a winner, you couldn't get out of talk about how winnery they are. whatevs. [12:31]
mircea_popescu Xplosionist link ? [12:31]
Xplosionist clicking on the address in the bet shows the last transaction was a previous one from another bet on jan 10. [12:32]
Xplosionist [12:32]
assbot BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No | closed 2 weeks 2 days ago ... ( ) [12:32]
mircea_popescu to your bet, man. [12:32]
Xplosionist [12:32]
assbot BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No | closed 2 weeks 2 days ago ... ( ) [12:32]
Xplosionist I know there was a way to see transactions, I thought there was, but I don't see it. Just the link to my payment address which shows no transaction matching the one I expect./ [12:33]
mircea_popescu << [12:33]
assbot BTC Transaction d219234f59dda8efe3ee00dd363b7c642cfac41e170a53e96ea6754247a19c28 [12:33]
mircea_popescu there's some weirdness afoot. [12:33]
mircea_popescu supposedly the txn is doublespent but i can't find the supposed doublespender in mempool. [12:33]
mircea_popescu will be looking into this. [12:33]
Xplosionist Thanks. I assumed it was something odd that had happened. [12:33]
mircea_popescu yeah, thanks for pointing out. [12:34]
Xplosionist np! [12:34]
Xplosionist Did you find that from the bitbet page, link to that transaction? If so, where is that? [12:34]
mircea_popescu nah, i know what txn to look for from the payout logs, and then see what webservice shows it. no way you can do this yourself, really. [12:35]
Xplosionist K. Thanks. Just had thought i was missing something when I was trying to track it myself. [12:35]
mircea_popescu nope. [12:36]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is ever more broken, while these derps "raise awareness" about how to fix hallucinated problems we don't have. [12:36]
mircea_popescu but anyway, what can you do. foss. [12:36]
punkman in ewe-ther news [12:37]
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assbot Lamb chop weight enforcers want warrantless access to Australians’ metadata | World news | The Guardian ... ( ) [12:37]
mircea_popescu !up ascii_butugychag [12:37]
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ascii_butugychag hey Xplosionist ! [12:37]
ascii_butugychag Xplosionist: $slavefarm implode yet ? [12:38]
mircea_popescu "A spokeswoman for the NMI, Yen Heng, referred questions about its application to the attorney general’s department." yeah, this makes sense. [12:38]
Xplosionist Hey there! [12:39]
Xplosionist And no, but it's getting closer. They kinda screwed me over in December, so I'm shopping. [12:39]
Xplosionist All in all, things are looking okay. Just lots more staff in SF, and nothing promising for the eng staff in MD. [12:40]
mircea_popescu Santoshi International Pty Ltd: Pleaded guilty to “shortfalls of up to 50% in prepacked spices”. Fined $3,000. << no value backing the bitcoin ? i beg to differ! backed by 50% spice! [12:40]
ascii_butugychag Xplosionist: i suspected you might be the last one in that shop [12:42]
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ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: 'the spice must flow' (tm) (r) ('dune') [12:43]
mircea_popescu aha. [12:43]
mircea_popescu ok, so time for me to admit defeat, and come to humbly beseech the masters of computer craft far more advanced than me. here's the story (brace yourselves) : [12:44]
Xplosionist ascii_butugychag: no, there've been two new hires here in the last 18 months. But, try as I might during my official stint as manager in 2015, I couldn't hire any more. [12:45]
mircea_popescu given is a text file, worth ~1.5 GB, containing a) reliable record separator ; b) a profile name ; c) the textual content of the profile in question. [12:45]
mircea_popescu required is a list of all profile names whose profile textual content matches a certain string. [12:46]
mircea_popescu how is this done ?! obviously, "turn it into a sql thing somehow and sql it", but no, i mean in bash. [12:46]
Xplosionist mircea_popescu is there a good field separator? [12:46]
mircea_popescu if you make it into a single line and try to then use sed to recreate lines by the separator, sed silently dies [12:46]
Xplosionist if the record separator is a newline, then I think I'd use awk. [12:47]
mircea_popescu (grep also dies, but not silently - lack of memory, supposedly, because it's badly written) [12:47]
mircea_popescu Xplosionist you specifically can not rely on newlines because they are used in the profile text. [12:47]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: 'split' [12:47]
Xplosionist okay. what is the record separator? [12:47]
mircea_popescu if you use csplit to create individual files by the record separator, you end up with 500k files, and [12:47]
mircea_popescu grep fails (too many arguments) [12:47]
Xplosionist echo * | xargs grep textthingtofind [12:48]
mircea_popescu Xplosionist as it happens, "( function() {" but why would it matter. [12:48]
Xplosionist echo might handle it, where grep can't on one command line. [12:48]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: i had this problem with phuctor. ended up using python [12:48]
ascii_butugychag to iterate over the dir [12:48]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag you see what i mean, i take it ? [12:48]
Xplosionist mircea_popescu mostly I was curious. [12:48]
ascii_butugychag (after split) [12:48]
jurov "diff: does not exist." << every day i'm coming closer and closer to be fkn done with emacs [12:48]
mircea_popescu heh. [12:49]
ascii_butugychag jurov: please wake me up when you find a replacement for emacs ! [12:49]
mircea_popescu this is how i ended up with nano. [12:49]
jurov ascii_butugychag: i was completely fine with vim. then i heard about org-mode [12:49]
ascii_butugychag jurov: common lisp in vim is hardcore masochism, far beyond my ability to endure [12:50]
Xplosionist mircea_popescu: does echo * | xargs work for you, after the csplit? [12:50]
mircea_popescu nope. [12:50]
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punkman mircea_popescu: [13:11]
assbot Run SQL directly on CSV files | Text as Data | q ... ( ) [13:11]
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trinque can bind it to whatever you want [13:12]
ascii_butugychag ^ [13:12]
jurov how do i bind it to C-w + focus the destination widows with arrows? [13:12]
jurov i want *this*. [13:13]
jurov not "whatever" [13:13]
trinque what do you mean whatever? [13:13]
trinque destination of wat? [13:13]
mircea_popescu no he wants to pick the destination from among the windows by pressing arrow keys [13:13]
jurov heck, we can't even agree on terminology [13:13]
trinque ah k. that's reasonable, and surely can be done [13:14]
mircea_popescu punkman that q thing is interesting. [13:15]
trinque jurov: worth looking around in apropos window [13:15]
punkman mircea_popescu: sqlite shell can also work directly on csv files [13:15]
* trinque likes helm-apropos very much, and has it on a reasonable binding [13:16]
ascii_butugychag << possibly [13:16]
assbot EmacsWiki: Wind Move ... ( ) [13:16]
ascii_butugychag ^ for the buffers thing [13:16]
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mircea_popescu it is good to have backups : they can fail when used and thus justify keeping around trickups. [13:33]
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mircea_popescu << high-s txn weren't picked up at all you mea n? [13:35]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 16:21:03; mod6: trying to get that figured out. [13:35]
mircea_popescu what sanity checks are you ignoring you say ? [13:36]
mod6 last night, it wasn't just high-s txn, it was both. which i found to be really weird. [13:36]
mod6 [13:36]
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mod6 i just sent a low-s one, and that seemed ok. [13:36]
mod6 (with the high-s code in there also) [13:36]
mod6 for those interested, there is some debugging that did lastnight: [13:37]
assbot ... ( ) [13:37]
mircea_popescu the mempool is beeing pretty well flooded by bs, so depending on exactly what type of txn you had that may account. [13:37]
mod6 i'll note, for instance, that when using -lows lastnight, i created tx '320665468f018d9635da7e240f01f48b07e1e5114a2535895f7091fe3aa751a0' (and a hand full of others) that never made it. [13:37]
mod6 mircea_popescu: ah. [13:38]
mircea_popescu there are still floating around 14,7kb shits with 0.00015 fees that were introduced on the 18th. by the thousand. [13:38]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> what sanity checks are you ignoring you say ? << it was basically this, i was looking at in regards to bip66: [13:39]
mircea_popescu if you graph the mempool you'll see that there's this see-saw pattern, resulting from spam txn being introduced, then they expire, then reintroduced... [13:39]
mircea_popescu the actual bitcoin network looks like a fuzz atop those teeth [13:39]
mod6 ah, ok. [13:39]
mod6 that may have played a role. [13:39]
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punkman mod6, did you port strict-DER too? [13:43]
mod6 just the part that I indicated above. [13:44]
punkman might be another reason for rejection [13:45]
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mod6 punkman: when you refer to 'strict-DER', are you referring to this? [14:14]
assbot Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( ) [14:14]
mod6 or is there some other code that you are referencing? [14:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.00056388 = 35.609 BTC [+] {2} [14:19]
punkman mod6: I meant producing stric-der signatures, and yeah that pull-req only involves the relaying [14:22]
mod6 ah, can you give me a point in the right direction? [14:22]
punkman not sure when they implemented that in PRB [14:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114200 @ 0.00055876 = 63.8104 BTC [-] {2} [14:24]
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assbot ISIS cuts its fighters' salaries by 50% - Jan. 19, 2016 ... ( ) [14:46]
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shinohai punkman, any mention of whether they only get 36 virgins now instead of 72 ? [14:55]
jurov or recycled virgins [14:57]
BingoBoingo Or well worn virgins [15:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105822 @ 0.00055844 = 59.0952 BTC [-] [15:11]
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ascii_butugychag the 'final solution' to the tx crud flood is, i suspect, mircea_popescu's concept of a tmsr-ONLY block-a-day mining pool [15:21]
ascii_butugychag which - for extra bonus lulz - imho ought to take high-S only... [15:21]
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ascii_butugychag (now that i think about it, i don't recall whether he said anything about tmsr-only. but this seems like an obvious thing) [15:22]
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kakobrekla powered by what, cpus and gpus ? [15:23]
ascii_butugychag by farts [15:23]
kakobrekla ah yes. [15:24]
kakobrekla i have lots of gas tonite. [15:24]
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ben_vulpes jurov: y'ever try window-jump? [15:30]
jurov no idea [15:31]
ben_vulpes window-jump and winner-mode make for...a not horrible experience. [15:31]
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ben_vulpes i use helm for buffer selection, and winner mode to get the windows back where they were. [15:31]
ben_vulpes and did i read that mircea_popescu wants 'semantic extraction' built into emacs? [15:32]
ascii_butugychag who wants to , can build whatever into emacs [15:32]
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ascii_butugychag somebody wrote an 'infocom adventure' interpreter. my brother played a few gamez in it [15:33]
ascii_butugychag works great. [15:33]
ascii_butugychag but if you have a unique itch somewhere deep in a body cavity, and wait for somebody to come and scratch it ~for you~ - you may wait for a while. [15:34]
ascii_butugychag though perhaps mircea_popescu could try and teach his pets elisp [15:34]
jurov dunno about itches, i was fine with vim.. but common lisp, orgmode... [15:35]
ascii_butugychag can one get hungry-arrowkeys in vim ? [15:35]
ascii_butugychag i can't fathom using an editor without it [15:35]
ascii_butugychag FUCK hitting an arrow more than once to traverse a block of whitespace [15:36]
ascii_butugychag seriously if i wanted to repeatedly perform manual drudgery i would go and pick cotton somewhere. [15:36]
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jurov i use ctrl to jump to next nonwhitespace if needed. [15:39]
deedbot- [Qntra] Netherlands Arrests 10 For Money - [15:40]
jurov there's also f,t for jumping to a character [15:41]
BingoBoingo seriously if i wanted to repeatedly perform manual drudgery i would go and pick cotton somewhere. << Speaking of are you dealing with that Apocalyptic blizzard fiat news is derping about. [15:41]
ascii_butugychag BingoBoingo: no sign of it yet [15:42]
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BingoBoingo Ah, we've got about 3 inches of snow here. Thing apparently hasn't built up that much yet. [15:43]
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mircea_popescu i use ctrl to jump to next nonwhitespace if needed. << i do. [15:50]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [15:50]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 406.5, vol: 21773.84730223 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 408.9, vol: 13515.24357 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 408.38, vol: 60890.38427171 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 6.85034257 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 416.02704, vol: 72708.52130000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.9848, vol: 678.38381919 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 408.787510901, vol: 153.49899348 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [15:50]
BingoBoingo ;;more [15:50]
gribble average: 411.452744344 [15:50]
BingoBoingo Oh, it's like the Hearnstick was completely negated as soon as ACH deposits brough fiat to exchanges. [15:51]
BingoBoingo Also random WAPO organs are now trying the call people things they didn't choose to be named strategy [15:56]
assbot Sarah Palin no-show at Trump event. ... ( ) [15:56]
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danielpbarron << heh now you're ~encouraging~ people to move to USSA? [15:58]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 15:19:44; mircea_popescu: move to wash, dc. everyone else is doing it. [15:58]
jurov yeah, like sending you to vatican [15:59]
mircea_popescu lol [15:59]
danielpbarron (bagelz is canadian if i recall correctly) [15:59]
mircea_popescu it's a semi-permeable membrane. i don't indiscriminately counsel everyone there to come out. [16:00]
mircea_popescu some that are in should come out of it already. some belong in there, be they now in or out. [16:00]
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mircea_popescu in unrelated lulz, [16:03]
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BingoBoingo In derpity hurp stoner not rly news and [16:03]
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ben_vulpes i rarely use arrow keys to navigate, preferring instead to search through the buffer [16:03]
mircea_popescu ctrl-w also works. [16:04]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: Maybe we should all join hands here in assets and sing kumbaya. [16:04]
BingoBoingo "People’s reactions to the discussion have been mixed, with people pointing out that the discussion was inappropriate in a group of essentially strangers. Furthermore, Bitcoin has been associated with drug use throughout its entire history, and perhaps it is in the interest of the community to separate itself from that." << lolz ClassicCoin can't even win outlets that flirted with Garza's Paycoin [16:05]
mircea_popescu awww. [16:05]
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BingoBoingo thestringpuller: That would be suspicious [16:06]
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danielpbarron my interpretation from the toomim drug thing was that he was trying to be like Mircea only replacing gurlz with drugz or something [16:08]
thestringpuller d00d trolling core dropped me this article he wrote on slack: [16:09]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many people burned themselves trying to be me. perhaps i find out one day. [16:10]
mircea_popescu were a bunch even pre-internet. [16:10]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Or just trying to "be cool" like all those movie stoners or something. It's not unknown among USG agents to either have or have invented a "groovy" drug history. [16:11]
ascii_butugychag there was reptilia... [16:11]
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mircea_popescu there is the problem of manufactured street cred. what to say, what to say ? [16:12]
ascii_butugychag how come nobody tried to be, e.g., paul erdos. [16:12]
mircea_popescu and how do you know they didn't ? [16:12]
BingoBoingo ascii_butugychag: Tortilla's brain did fine simulating the drug experience without chemical assistance [16:12]
ascii_butugychag how do 'triers' select who to 'try to be' anyway. [16:12]
mircea_popescu perceived social dominance. [16:12]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: true, perhaps all 'dark matter' [16:12]
mircea_popescu why were the asylums full of napoleons rather than perigords ? [16:13]
ascii_butugychag they are full of 'napoleons', but also there is always a reasonable number of 'glass pitchers', 'acorns', etc [16:13]
mircea_popescu and how many perigords ? [16:13]
mircea_popescu who hated bush and who hated ken rove ? [16:14]
ascii_butugychag dafuq is a perigord [16:14]
ascii_butugychag carl rove? [16:14]
mircea_popescu a was he karl ? [16:14]
ascii_butugychag aha [16:14]
mircea_popescu aha. [16:14]
ascii_butugychag and serious bushitler aficionados did hate ! [16:14]
mircea_popescu hehe. [16:14]
BingoBoingo Lol, noise holes are suggesting the "miner" Buttfury plans on selling to the public is another 21co style Internet of things device. Just another PiTaTo [16:15]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bitfury is utterly evil these days. [16:15]
* ascii_butugychag still l0ling over reddit-stratfor hitler [16:15]
mircea_popescu apparently there's been a sale last year, and well... [16:15]
mircea_popescu the wrong people bought. [16:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yes, just as BitPay went from harmless derps to info collectatron. [16:16]
BingoBoingo Except buttfurry has chips and BitPay doesn't [16:16]
mircea_popescu to be resolved. [16:17]
BingoBoingo Resolving is the funnest part of BitBet [16:17]
mircea_popescu lol [16:17]
BingoBoingo It's rare, but every now and then a Bet needs BetLawyered in the comments. [16:18]
BingoBoingo The S.BBET vs. S.DICE bet was grand [16:18]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: ASICMINER tried this and then went bankrupt shortly after. [16:20]
thestringpuller The block erupters you could plug into USB. [16:21]
ascii_butugychag so mircea_popescu, which 'wrong people' might that be? the ones with 'no money and no engineers' ? [16:21]
ascii_butugychag or some other set ? [16:21]
mircea_popescu the sad fact of today's business environment is that you can also sell for promise. [16:21]
mircea_popescu some do. it's bad for the environment and worse for them, but nevertheless they do. [16:21]
ascii_butugychag threat works as well as promise [16:22]
mircea_popescu there is no difference between the two. [16:22]
mircea_popescu verba volant. [16:22]
ascii_butugychag then yes. [16:22]
mircea_popescu what starded as a more humane way to disposses the old (see balzac, he describes it in detail), has meanwhile become the universal way to cleave yourself from everything. [16:23]
mircea_popescu you say that that's what you do professionally, separate things, and there's merit to the view. but also... some things don't belong apart. [16:24]
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ascii_butugychag waiwut [16:29]
ascii_butugychag ah. [16:29]
mod6 no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes. [16:30]
mod6 Now i have heat. fuckers. [16:30]
ascii_butugychag but given the mammalian tendency to 'hate to lose more than loving to win' (as described in a mircea_popescu article !) it makes sense to distinguish 'threat' and 'promise' as items [16:31]
mircea_popescu sense, for whom. [16:31]
mircea_popescu expediency is no sort of sense [16:31]
ascii_butugychag for thinking [16:31]
ascii_butugychag and, e.g., bribery vs extortion, rather separate skill sets, no ? [16:32]
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mod6 !up ascii_butugychag [16:40]
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mircea_popescu i don't think so. [16:42]
mircea_popescu and i don't even think you mean thinking by "thinking". i think you mean "for daydreaming". like this fellow : [16:43]
mircea_popescu [16:43]
assbot Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:43]
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mircea_popescu does it convey or should i translate ? [16:43]
ascii_butugychag translate plox [16:43]
mircea_popescu the article is "how to be a pimp - a simple guide, easy to understand and exhaustive". which it is. which it exactly is. [16:46]
mircea_popescu the fellow says "if i were to be a pimp [ie, the dream mode, because hey, that's what he understood of a discussion of technology, that "being an engineer" is a blessed state, to be obtained through divine grace and / or ordination] i wouldn't beat the women, for they'd be more productive thus. but also, if they piss me off, "dead" directly. you know, like puff daddy. [16:47]
ascii_butugychag am i think or what, i don't see the equivalence. bribery and threat are approx. as equivalent as arses and elbows [16:48]
ascii_butugychag *thick [16:48]
mircea_popescu to which i say that if i were a bird also i wouldn't flap my wings, but merely float. because why not, tis a dream. [16:48]
mircea_popescu you're thick. there is no bribe that doesn't contain a threat, nor is there any threat that is anything but a veiled bribe. [16:48]
mircea_popescu and nothe that his oh-so-creative "understanding" and "thought process" is both purely symbolic and specifically symbolic. [16:49]
ascii_butugychag can haz example? let's say bag man helpfully tells restaranteur, '$x/mo. or your place burns'. where is the hidden bribe ? [16:50]
mircea_popescu this fellow's illiterate. he sees the world through eyes of stupidity, which is why he says "dead direct". it's a barbarism in romanian, but he needs to import a foreign symbol because well... sounds better thus. [16:50]
mircea_popescu less to explain. "the meaning should be obvious" [16:50]
ascii_butugychag now these, everyone has met, i think [16:50]
ascii_butugychag 'if i were a general...' [16:50]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag : if he pays and the place burns next month, what then ? [16:50]
ascii_butugychag then 'too bad' ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu if he pays and he sees a derp with gasoline fucking around and he calls you up, what then ? [16:51]
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ascii_butugychag i can only guess, but 'go and pay or shoot that one yourself, he's not mine' [16:52]
ascii_butugychag the whole no-overlapping-turfs thing is supposed to be guaranteed by turf war, etc. i get it [16:52]
ascii_butugychag but in practice, is it ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu in practice you'd better do something. [16:53]
mircea_popescu nobody ever says that 'go and pay or shoot that one yourself, he's not mine'. ever heard judge say something like that ? [16:53]
ascii_butugychag aaaactually [16:53]
mircea_popescu judge's the least convincing mobster out there, even he knows he can't really get away with that. [16:53]
mircea_popescu (and once he tries, the show stops) [16:53]
ascii_butugychag the famous '80s scotus case where 'police are not ~required~ to show up even if they know the hour of your advance murder' thing [16:53]
mircea_popescu human speech is in all cases a promise and a threat, together. if you go see a house for rent and you offer 100k, what you are saying is "stand with me and make 100k, or stand aside and damn you all". no matter how faint either side, it's there. it has to be for speech to be meaningful. [16:55]
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BingoBoingo MEGA LOL [16:56]
ascii_butugychag so if i offer a kid a candy, i am threatening him with hunger ? [16:56]
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mircea_popescu how should i know what you're doing. [16:57]
mircea_popescu do it and i'll tell you. [16:57]
ascii_butugychag well you did say 'promise and threat are not separable', no ? [16:58]
mircea_popescu yes. [16:58]
ascii_butugychag and what, 'what's 2+2?' 'how should i know? go add them and i'll tell you' [16:58]
mircea_popescu quite. [16:58]
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mircea_popescu just because they're not separable does not mean that in consideration and by way of compensation now you get to separate an arbitrary something else. [16:59]
ascii_butugychag which else [16:59]
BingoBoingo ":The results came out, the mine can not afford the risk of the mining machine brick, the Classic will not be upgraded to 2MB of program. " [16:59]
ascii_butugychag BingoBoingo: said who, a fishwife in shanghai ? [17:00]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag now you want to separate facts from their representation, and have your way with the representation aside. [17:00]
mircea_popescu doesn't work. [17:00]
BingoBoingo ascii_butugychag: Mystery Chinese noise I can not adequately parse on thread preceeded with "MEGA LOL" [17:01]
* BingoBoingo does not have a solid idea who 副船长 on 8btc forum is [17:02]
mircea_popescu thyey're just bickering about who guessed first what will happen and how fair or unfair it is. [17:02]
ascii_butugychag wai wut, when did they invent the 'unfair' crapolade in cn ? [17:03]
mircea_popescu remember tank guy ? [17:03]
ascii_butugychag aha [17:03]
mircea_popescu well... they invented "unfair" crapolade. what the fuck do you think confucianism is ? [17:03]
ascii_butugychag i thought it was rather the opposite [17:04]
mircea_popescu it infested the brits, they brought it back like the intellectual equivalent of the french pox. [17:04]
ascii_butugychag 'bow to your betters' [17:04]
mircea_popescu nah. [17:04]
mircea_popescu that whole narrative is something like "look at these people who gave us syphilis, it finds itself in biological equilibrium in their country and so they don't get it all that much and it's mostly under control - but here, lord! every face is covered! how much better we have it than they do!" [17:06]
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mircea_popescu the brits at the time of their ill advised eastern trip thought nothing of caning children to death, and the general practice was to send off the louts to live as slaves to other people, [17:07]
mircea_popescu so as to silence the annoying women. [17:07]
mircea_popescu "oh my baby my baby". well now it ain't your baby anymore so stfu. [17:07]
* ascii_butugychag often pictures mircea_popescu pushing a messenger into a spiffy stone pit, 'this is SPARTA!~' (tm) (r) [17:10]
mircea_popescu lol why the messenger ? [17:10]
ascii_butugychag there was a cruddy american film some time in bush era about sparta [17:10]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_butugychag [17:11]
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ascii_butugychag where a persian envoy demanding tribute is shoved into a pit, which appears to have been built and kept around just for said purpose [17:11]
mircea_popescu ah. that kind of envoy. [17:12]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [17:12]
BingoBoingo Twas a cruddy film but of all the comic book to film adaptations, twas the one that has sucked the least [17:12]
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mircea_popescu so to get back to it : so if i offer a kid a candy, i am threatening him with hunger ? << are you ? [17:14]
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ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: in the sense of your earlier example, yes [17:16]
ascii_butugychag 'accept this chocolate, it may be your last!111' [17:16]
trinque or simply points out to him his lack of candy, perhaps previously unobserved [17:16]
mircea_popescu ok, so then you are. [17:16]
ascii_butugychag << unrelated, l0ltr0nic [17:17]
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mircea_popescu trinque no but he's asking me what he's doing when he's the one doing it. and in all honesty he expects me to answer. i suppose in the same honesty he expects a snippet of code somwhere exists which says "how to subdue women". god knows the PUA subculture's been working tediously at it. [17:17]
* trinque nods [17:18]
trinque "How do I open my hand?" [17:19]
trinque maybe you do, maybe you don't! [17:19]
ascii_butugychag but to say that there is 'no difference between promise and thread', just because of this residual treat in the candy, is lunacy [17:19]
ascii_butugychag *threat [17:19]
mircea_popescu to rest the matter, let's just say that there's excellent reason the us supreme court only rules on actual cases, never on factitious proposition. [17:20]
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ascii_butugychag i thought it was for ddos resistance. [17:20]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag they're substantially the same thing, the division is a matter of interpretation. [17:20]
ascii_butugychag if you want sheepfucking ruled on, you ~actually must fuck a sheep~ etc [17:20]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: seawater and uranium are then also 'same thing' ? [17:20]
mircea_popescu laymen famously can not separate the entreatment from the threat in what i say to my slaves. [17:20]
ascii_butugychag in application to ~masochists~ i'm not certain they are separable from the outside of the head.. [17:21]
mircea_popescu no. but a thing's "width" and its "height" ARE the same thing. [17:21]
mircea_popescu they being both a length. [17:21]
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mircea_popescu and while i am not certain "masochists" can be separated from the general population, i am well certain that they are not a category to be, and that you're plenty one yourself. [17:22]
ascii_butugychag masochist in the sense where an outsider does not know if 'do x or get beating' is a bribe or a threat [17:23]
mircea_popescu and do they ? [17:24]
mircea_popescu (that's a particularly poor illustration of what i said, if it tries to be. for one thing i dun think i ever said anything alike.) [17:24]
ascii_butugychag this was re: the slave example [17:24]
mircea_popescu then yeah, miserable illustration. [17:25]
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BingoBoingo << Updated, forgot the obligatory "Sorry for your loss" on initial publication [17:29]
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mircea_popescu i suppose this is how the pedestrian notion of "good" and "evil" is constructed even. let us arbitrarily divide a set of real objects into "only has height" and "only has width". thus therefore the first set are ~obviously~ good, for they allow you to build up! (how will you manage to allign things with no width on top of each other is a consideration best left to any masochistical engineers still stuck in your swampla [17:29]
mircea_popescu nd). the others - obviously bad, for all they do is take space on the ground for no good reason! [17:29]
mircea_popescu for the least expenditure of intellectual effort possible we have a full socio-political as well as philosophical! [17:29]
ascii_butugychag and sleep that night in hilbert's hotel, aha [17:31]
mircea_popescu kids no longer getting cubes to play with may have worse implications than originally thought. [17:32]
ascii_butugychag incidentally, every ~sane~ female i've ever encountered, had cubes [17:33]
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ascii_butugychag folks who don't witness toppling cubes etc. growing, apparently don't fully grasp cause-effect... [17:33]
mircea_popescu this delusion of "i will build" so common in us "activists" and three year olds really needs the natural check of "go ahead". [17:34]
mircea_popescu there's even a thing in .ro folklore about this, balada mesterului manole. he keeps building and stuff keeps falling down. [17:35]
mircea_popescu seen as a foundational myth to romanian-ness. [17:35]
ascii_butugychag wasn't that italian ? [17:35]
ascii_butugychag from gianni rodari ? [17:35]
mircea_popescu well, yurp. everything's stolen. [17:35]
ascii_butugychag l0l [17:35]
mircea_popescu (ftr, it's prolly stolen from ro. ie - the ballad itself is very old, older than rome. [17:36]
mircea_popescu it comes from a time of pastoral life, when sheep went up the mountains then back down the mountains into dalmatia [17:36]
mircea_popescu what the derpy romans interpreted as "dacians invading" was merely continuation of a lyfstyle that had at that time three or four millenia of history behind it. [17:36]
mircea_popescu sort of an epic scale bundy farm thing. [17:36]
mircea_popescu if you think about it, getting walls to stay the fuck up hadn't been a point of sufficient isnecurity so as to excite the popular immagination for a good 25 centuries by the time rodari came out. [17:38]
ascii_butugychag but picture if street derp had to ~build a house~ [17:38]
ascii_butugychag like that. [17:38]
mircea_popescu ah but this was a famous architect, with a team and all. [17:38]
mircea_popescu ten people! [17:38]
ascii_butugychag doesn't get to cheat, has to personally stand up the walls [17:39]
mircea_popescu "mester" means master, in the ancient sense. [17:39]
ascii_butugychag aha, precisely what мастер means in ru [17:40]
mircea_popescu "Pe Argeş în gios, pe un mal frumos, Negru-vodă trece cu tovarăşi zece: nouă meşteri mari, calfe şi zidari si Manoli - zece, care-i şi întrece." [17:40]
mircea_popescu "down on the river arges, on a nice lawn, teh black king goes with ten people : nine great masters, learned in bricklaying, and manoli, the tenth, who's even better!" [17:41]
mircea_popescu from a ~1860 notation of the ballad. [17:41]
mircea_popescu (negru voda is the legendary founder & first ruler of wallachia) [17:42]
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pete_dushenski holy cramoly the size of these blocks is bananas, son. it's one 900kb+ after another after another. [17:49]
ascii_butugychag for what, 4 months now ? [17:49]
pete_dushenski in related nyooz, tevye is just 5 blocks behind now after... restarting. because "waiting it out" isn't a fucking strategy. [17:50]
mircea_popescu now look at the garbage in them. [17:50]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: restarting is an imaginary remedy [17:50]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: it's been 80-90% spamola since start of 'stress test' crap [17:51]
mircea_popescu aha/ [17:51]
mircea_popescu part of why pushing tx fees up is absolutely fucking mandatory already. [17:51]
pete_dushenski << was thinking same thing as i went to sleep last night. makes perfect sense for connections to work in the way alf proposes here. [17:51]
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mircea_popescu yes yes, it's correct. and next thing you know the transactions are no longer publicly relayed (because why the fuck would i give the fee to random miners) and lo and behold we've split in the worst way. [17:52]
mircea_popescu unavoidable, yes, but i'd have liked it to come later. [17:52]
ascii_butugychag which is why i said '2 tiers' [17:52]
ascii_butugychag rather than 'hey fellaz let's all use -connect' [17:52]
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mircea_popescu but yes, the problem is here : the miners aren't actually doing anything and have no power. for all the posturing, they are at the sheer mercy of the actual bitcoin holders and traders. [17:53]
mircea_popescu as the subsidy dies out, trying to be a miner will be a lot like trying to be a lawyer. [17:53]
pete_dushenski after watching tevye choke on all the fucking idiots "connect" "disconnect" "socket closed" blahblah, it seemed sane, but the miner relay is, yes, a significant potential boojum [17:53]
mircea_popescu oh, you paid 200k to go to duke... so ? starve bitch. [17:53]
ascii_butugychag trying to be a miner was an idiot's game since... 2012 ? [17:53]
mircea_popescu these idiots keep you safe. [17:53]
ascii_butugychag i said before, will say again, this is a bug. [17:54]
pete_dushenski like the idiots that give us leccy and internet access. [17:54]
ascii_butugychag i don't want a car engine that relies on cockroaches turning little wheels. [17:54]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag if it is the matter's not settled. [17:54]
PeterL holy cramoly the size of these blocks is bananas, son. it's one 900kb+ after another after another. << and fees are still only ~2% of reward [17:54]
thestringpuller most of it must be spam then [17:54]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: "But anyway, to answer a question from the public in more detail : poorly. I've never been this humiliated in my life." << nuts. my mind, it asploded. [17:55]
PeterL maybe when you start b-a minerpool, have higher fees required for non-WoT txn's to get included? [17:56]
mircea_popescu PeterL vice-versa. [17:56]
mircea_popescu the way this works is that whoever mines is on their knees for whoever knows txns. [17:56]
PeterL what? people in WoT have to pay more? [17:56]
mircea_popescu no, but you will end up doing fee rebates for people who bring you txns [17:56]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: what ports can i use for trb while syncing ? and is there a good reason why trb should jump on 8333 without me telling it to, and without being completely synced ? because this seems to be a recurring issue on my end. [17:57]
PeterL I was thinking if they are in WoT it is not spam, anything else should be considered spammy and need higher fee? [17:57]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: 8333 is the traditional, you can set to whatever else, or not listen at all if you -connect [17:57]
mircea_popescu PeterL i doubt it'd be practical to try and get the miner to subsidize the wot. i expect it to work the other way around. [17:57]
mircea_popescu unless you're keeping the army for offensive purposes (ie, we do 51% attacks etc), the army costs the town, does not produce for the town. [17:58]
pete_dushenski ascii_butugychag: does -addnode auto-invoke 8333 then ? [17:58]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: by default yes [17:58]
pete_dushenski aha. [17:58]
pete_dushenski strange, but ok. [17:59]
ascii_butugychag pete_dushenski: read the src, it won't kill you [17:59]
ascii_butugychag mega-recommended. [17:59]
pete_dushenski indeed. [18:00]
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pete_dushenski << where's a btc-dentist when you need one ? [18:02]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 16:36:22; mircea_popescu: the actual bitcoin network looks like a fuzz atop those teeth [18:02]
pete_dushenski << heh. sharp title. [18:05]
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mircea_popescu btw, for the racists in attendance : << there's a lot of studies about various haplogroups and genetic history of populations in yurp. [18:05]
assbot Haplogroup H (mtDNA) - Eupedia ... ( ) [18:05]
mircea_popescu ask your representative why you can't have it in the 2nd best korea. [18:05]
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ascii_butugychag have what? [18:12]
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mircea_popescu extensive genetic studies done, with corresponding considerations of population health, ethnic history, etc. [18:13]
ben_vulpes jurov: do you org-mode with evil-mode? [18:14]
mircea_popescu with quotes. medical : "Ruiz-Pesini et al. (2000) reported that men belonging to haplogroup H have the lowest risk of asthenozoospermia (reduced sperm motility)." ; "A study by Baudouin et al. (2005) found that members of haplogroup H had increased chance of survival from severe sepsis at 180 days compared with individuals from other haplogroups." [18:15]
mircea_popescu ethnohistoric : "Celtic culture was born from the fusion of Indo-European paternal lineages (R1b) with native Central and Western European maternal lineages (including H1, H3, H10, J1c, K1a, T2, U5 and X2)." [18:15]
mircea_popescu etc. [18:15]
jurov ben_vulpes: yes, but orgmode has original keybindings [18:15]
mircea_popescu "From the Bronze Age, R1b male lineages replaced a large percentage of Megalithic Y-haplogroups, but female Megalithic lineages survived almost unchanged in frequency." [18:16]
mircea_popescu and for that matter maps of distribution and so on and so forth. [18:16]
jurov !up ascii_butugychag [18:17]
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ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: wasn't that what 23 corp. supposedly sold ? [18:18]
ascii_butugychag in usa. [18:18]
mircea_popescu hey, don't ask me things. i linked you, link me. [18:18]
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mircea_popescu (but no, 23 corp sold exactly another pitato, which is all the 2nd best korea's good for these days. just like their cell service. or their computers. etc.) [18:18]
ascii_butugychag i have not paid the shaman, did not drink the goat blood, will not link [18:19]
mircea_popescu wait wut ? [18:19]
ascii_butugychag well we don't have ~actual~ genetic studies here in usababwe [18:19]
ascii_butugychag we have 23 corp. et al. [18:19]
mircea_popescu as i said - ask your representative why! [18:19]
ben_vulpes jurov: you mean to say that you ditched evil-org for native org? [18:19]
mircea_popescu isn't it the best most culture cuntry in world anymore ? [18:19]
ben_vulpes (or am i to understand etc etc) [18:19]
jurov i am not aware somethin liek evil-org even exists [18:20]
mircea_popescu is jurov going to emacs heaven ? [18:20]
jurov no, hell [18:20]
ascii_butugychag i'm not convinced re: the eu genetic report being a genuine thing either [18:20]
ascii_butugychag but perhaps i merely suffer from 'reverse cargocult' [18:20]
ascii_butugychag 'nobody has airplane, it never existed' [18:20]
mircea_popescu well.. it's well published, can always dig into if feel inclined. [18:21]
jurov mircea_popescu: i see sample sizes like 200 in a million [18:21]
jurov there [18:21]
mircea_popescu well yes, genetics is very problematic for this reason. [18:23]
mircea_popescu that's what drives the entire "take it easy" angle on genetics. [18:23]
mircea_popescu this is unavoidable, incidentally, for the same reason life exists. [18:24]
mircea_popescu there's a dozen or so "main" clades. but they are subdivided, and the subdivisions subdivide. there's tens of thousands of subdivisions of the most common subdivisions of the more common clades. [18:24]
mircea_popescu if you build a tree and it branches out this bad, you'll rapidly end up with tiny fractions in each branch. [18:25]
mircea_popescu and if you don't, syphillis mutates and ends your population cca 1490, sfyl, thanks for playing, [18:25]
mircea_popescu still, you know, from that same link : "Lucotte et al. (2010) recovered the DNA of Napoleon Bonaparte from beard hair follicules and compared it to that of his mother, Letizia, and his younger sister Caroline. All three shared the same rare 16184T mutation, which places them within haplogroup H15a1b. [18:26]
mircea_popescu or for that matter, "Bogdanowicza et al. (2009) tested the Y-chromosomal DNA and mitochondrial DNA of the exhumed remains of the Prussian Renaissance astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus. They established that he belonged to mt-haplogroup H27 (defined by the mutations 16129A and 16316G)." [18:26]
mircea_popescu this is interesting, if not obviously useful. just like all the rest of the stuff. nascent field is typically interesting in this manner but not useful (also in this manner). [18:26]
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mircea_popescu what haplogrup was martin luther king ? or is such knowledge forbidden in the united obscurantistlands. [18:27]
ascii_butugychag forbidden for very obvious reasons [18:28]
mircea_popescu heh. [18:28]
mircea_popescu write to your congressman! :D [18:28]
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mircea_popescu thinking about it... what obvious reasons be those ascii_butugychag ? [18:30]
ben_vulpes yes please [18:30]
ascii_butugychag well the not-so-seekrit factual basis for the colour warz among the blacks themselves [18:32]
ascii_butugychag (as illustrated especially well in haiti) [18:32]
mircea_popescu huh ? [18:32]
mircea_popescu look at those eu maps, the continent's deeply divided genetically, nobody's fighting. [18:32]
ascii_butugychag just referring to the hypothesis, amply supported, that the folks who actually make something of themselves, have proportionately less africa in them [18:33]
ascii_butugychag than the other kind. [18:33]
mircea_popescu i've yet to see actually good studies on this topic. [18:34]
ascii_butugychag and you won't. [18:34]
ben_vulpes only 'colour warz' i'm aware of are the preference of crackers for north africans over african americans [18:36]
mircea_popescu i somehow doubt there is a good "africa" haplogroup. [18:36]
mircea_popescu say Q, it's mostly "huns", whereas N is basically uralics [18:36]
mircea_popescu but "huns" here means turks and hungarians and maybe fins. [18:36]
thestringpuller << LOL. "I'm like MP but a big blocker. I'm going to fight him. Bring it on MP" [18:36]
mircea_popescu i have no idea what'd be "africa". there's a bunch of major ones. and they are mixed with stuff like the persians, which... invented civilisation. [18:37]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller gawd, we;re headed for a "the mp of x" phase of buzzwordism ? [18:37]
thestringpuller P. Much. "The MP of big blocks" "The MP of paypal" "The MP of blockstream" [18:38]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: subsaharan [18:38]
mircea_popescu there's at least three. there's the superhawt, tall, muscular men of pure black. there's the skinny short grayish type. there's more. [18:38]
mircea_popescu i bet you at least four haplogroups are "subsaharan". [18:39]
mircea_popescu and you'rte thinking congo-ish [18:39]
ascii_butugychag o [18:39]
ascii_butugychag i'm thinking moar generally [18:40]
ascii_butugychag 'the folks who stayed behind' (tm) (r) [18:40]
ascii_butugychag who existed for millenia and left no ruins worth the mention, never saw the planet until enslaved, etc [18:40]
mircea_popescu yeah well... there's that. there's another thing also : a better argument can be brought that the eskimo and the chechens are "worthless neerdowells". and these are very different haplogroups too [18:41]
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mircea_popescu know what unites, the "failed northerner" with the "failed mountain man" with the "failed subsaharian" ? guess ? [18:41]
mircea_popescu obviously, an empire nearby spent many years "helping them". [18:41]
ascii_butugychag any honest genetic study would reveal that being related to said folks is, generally, a very serious handicap.. [18:41]
mircea_popescu yes, for this reason. [18:41]
mircea_popescu the russkis/french/english/ustards will come and help you in the ass. [18:42]
ascii_butugychag from what i know of mountain folk (the very endearing chechens esp.) they certainly see the payback they get from the plainsfolk they chronically rape as 'unfair' [18:43]
mircea_popescu quite. [18:43]
mircea_popescu rape is not a threat but a bribe :) [18:43]
mircea_popescu (ask 'em) [18:43]
ascii_butugychag 'but you're bipedal lambs, lambs aren't supposed to round up village of vermin and shoot' [18:43]
mircea_popescu hey... if a man "takes" a woman, when he is done with her it is the woman that carries away bits of the man, not vice-versa. [18:44]
mircea_popescu shouldn't she pay ? [18:44]
pete_dushenski << lol. mega-classic. "friends! friends! lend me your tears!" [18:45]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 19:00:27; BingoBoingo: In derpity hurp stoner not rly news and [18:45]
* mircea_popescu hadn't looked before, but on 2nd call... feels compelled. [18:46]
* BingoBoingo in my most paranoid moments is tempted to believe to Toomim drug meltdown was orchestrated as an easy way out of the "ClassicCoin" failure [18:46]
mircea_popescu i really hope they go with "ultimate" next. it has this flavour of old Vivendi spunk and unemployed, failed "strategists" and "designers" of unplayable reboots of stale franchises. [18:48]
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mircea_popescu "To be sure, there’s nothing wrong with LSD" bwahahahaha [18:49]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_butugychag [18:49]
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mircea_popescu OBVIOUSLY there's nothing wrong. [18:49]
ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: nah that'd be 'reloaded' [18:49]
mircea_popescu reloaded is when they know it'll fail. [18:49]
mircea_popescu ultimate is when they spend 6 months baiting people on forums pretending they've got the new daikatana [18:49]
mircea_popescu anyway... how about Bitcoin Charades ? [18:50]
BingoBoingo Bitcoin Dialated! [18:51]
pete_dushenski Bitcoin Episode VII [18:51]
mircea_popescu The Ballchain Technologies ? [18:51]
mircea_popescu maybe even something smooth and classic, like, I Can't Believe It's Not Bitcoin. [18:51]
ascii_butugychag nah that's the current prb [18:51]
ascii_butugychag ever since the blockheaders thing [18:52]
jurov bitbutter [18:52]
mircea_popescu Better Living Through Chainology [18:52]
pete_dushenski Tastes Good Like a BlockChain Should [18:52]
mircea_popescu maybe it could be the world wide dweeb. [18:53]
pete_dushenski Live In Our World, Play In Yours [18:54]
pete_dushenski (playstation) [18:54]
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mod6 Revenge of the Shitgnomes [18:56]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how the shitworld works. can't say the name or it vanishes in thin air! [18:57]
mircea_popescu didn't you read the stories when you were a kid ? [18:57]
ascii_butugychag 'snow white and the seven shitgnomes' [18:57]
mod6 haha. [18:58]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag it's pretty much a given they were doing her in the butt huh ? given the sizes. [18:58]
ascii_butugychag aha! [18:58]
ascii_butugychag how else. [18:58]
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mircea_popescu btw, speaking of inventions etc, anyone know the sad story of Girolamo Fracastoro ? [19:10]
mircea_popescu fellow that in early 1500s proposed the germinative theory of disease, but gets no credit for it like ever ? [19:10]
mircea_popescu (de contagione et contagiosis morbis) [19:11]
ascii_butugychag aha! [19:11]
ascii_butugychag or for that matter even lister. [19:12]
BingoBoingo I am unfamiliar with this [19:12]
BingoBoingo In other news [19:13]
assbot In the pink? Costello bill would allow hunters to wear blaze pink, not just orange | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( ) [19:14]
BingoBoingo "In Wisconsin, there has been some opposition to the measure, though it has passed the Assembly and was scheduled for a Senate vote Wednesday. Opponents included some women hunters who viewed the measure as sexist, and others who see it as pandering to women." << Sexist even though more visible to other armed persons and less visible to deer [19:14]
shinohai <<< yay the SJW's win! No moar racism! [19:18]
assbot Remember the Forbes article "Something Rotten In the State of Bitcoin"? I put in a complaint and the writer was forced to change the article. : btc ... ( ) [19:18]
mircea_popescu this entire "must wear wrong clothing" while hunting makes us hunting a fucking joke. [19:19]
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mircea_popescu no fucking hunter in the history of hunting wore anything but green and olive drab [19:19]
BingoBoingo American Hunters though suffer the tremendous risk of encountering other US tards [19:20]
mircea_popescu that's not fucking hunting. [19:21]
mircea_popescu that's waiting in traffic. [19:21]
ascii_butugychag to avoid dick cheney !11 [19:21]
BingoBoingo ^ [19:21]
mircea_popescu << hunters. [19:21]
assbot ... ( ) [19:22]
pete_dushenski shinohai: a more effective tactic than mp's legal threats, at least in the case of forbes ;/ [19:22]
ascii_butugychag whatever happened with that [19:22]
mircea_popescu ~nothing. [19:22]
BingoBoingo One must understand. US hunter faces dilema. Wear walmart fashion and shoot deer, or settle for eating walmart "meat" [19:22]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo one understands, still doth not approve. [19:23]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski depends what you're trying to achieve. if you're trying to achieve more forbes, then yes. [19:24]
BingoBoingo I just find the potential to change the rural aesthetic lulzy if Blaze pink does work better. [19:24]
mircea_popescu if you're trying to achieve less forbes, then you will have to shoot them. [19:24]
mircea_popescu firing off some wartnings before actually shooting is considered the polite and civilised way where i come from. [19:24]
ascii_butugychag unrelatedly, a crapple pad and one of the apps offered for that machine actually make an ok trb reader [19:26]
pete_dushenski well, it'll certainly be fun to watch forbes pretend that "we never saw this coming" and "why didn't you warn us" [19:26]
ascii_butugychag for use in trains [19:26]
ascii_butugychag i finally discovered a use ! [19:26]
pete_dushenski what app ? [19:26]
ascii_butugychag 'codenavigator' [19:27]
ascii_butugychag by some cn dude [19:27]
BingoBoingo In other duelling heresies [19:30]
assbot Fans’ Intense Love For Fallout: New Vegas Must Be Weird For Bethesda ... ( ) [19:30]
mircea_popescu i loved fallout, but really hated "tactics" and stopped bothering. [19:30]
mircea_popescu 1 and 2 tho... [19:30]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> no fucking hunter in the history of hunting wore anything but green and olive drab << i wear blaze [19:31]
mircea_popescu [19:31]
assbot Cadeti afara (doi) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:31]
mod6 otherwise someone might be like, "bird! oh no that's just mod6." [19:31]
mircea_popescu mod6 what color is blaze ? [19:31]
mod6 bright orange [19:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149118 @ 0.00056515 = 84.274 BTC [+] {2} [19:32]
mod6 lot of deer hunters wear just camo patterns of green/brown tho [19:32]
BingoBoingo New proposal is a second color named Blaze which is a bright pink. [19:32]
mod6 it used to be that, i'm told. [19:32]
mircea_popescu a ok [19:32]
BingoBoingo It would be so incredibly lulzy [19:33]
ascii_butugychag this is unpleasantly reminiscent of the unicode faces thread [19:33]
mod6 back in the day there were laws that said 'you must wear neon pink'. [19:33]
BingoBoingo Depends on if deer actually are more blind to pink chosen as Blaze2 [19:33]
ascii_butugychag iirc deer sees in greyscale [19:34]
mod6 if not wearing a suit (basically, weekends) i wear this coat: [19:34]
assbot Mount'N Prairie Buck Soft Parka - Naked North Blaze - Mills Fleet Farm ... ( ) [19:34]
mod6 and a blaze stocking cap. nothing else i have in the jacket/hat department is warm enough for dec/jan/feb [19:36]
BingoBoingo ascii_butugychag: Something like that [19:36]
BingoBoingo << Tesla does the Avalon pre-Order scam if you try to buy used [19:46]
assbot How Elon Musk Stole My Car | Atlantic.Net ... ( ) [19:46]
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mircea_popescu lol! [19:49]
mircea_popescu it's not a scam, it's consensus! [19:50]
mircea_popescu "After working with Kevin for a few weeks, I was able to find a car that met my needs in Pasadena, California." [19:50]
mircea_popescu holy shit the attention span of these derps ?! they actually will fuck around for weeks over a product they're not even that interested in with some random salesdude ? [19:51]
BingoBoingo Well, interested enough to have put down a deposit [19:51]
mircea_popescu no, that was after. [19:52]
BingoBoingo Aha [19:52]
BingoBoingo But yes, this is what selling to the derps who have paper wealth is like [19:53]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_butugychag [19:54]
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ascii_butugychag it still boggles my mind that somebody would buy, for personally sitting in, a $100k machine that doesn't fly. [19:54]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag it's actually less than what it costs to makew by a long shot. im surprised you'e not buying one. [19:55]
mircea_popescu try buying electric engine + battery apart, same specs, an see [19:55]
mircea_popescu now, driving this assemblage as if it were a car is the height of ridiculousness. [19:55]
ascii_butugychag dafuq would i do with such a thing l0l [19:55]
mircea_popescu however, uses for either item are readily apparent in a minifactory/macrolab the sort a boy genius may have built himself. [19:56]
ascii_butugychag for one thing you need a garage. [19:56]
ascii_butugychag for another, money [19:56]
mircea_popescu no, you actually need a warehouse [19:56]
mircea_popescu a, yes, you do need money. [19:56]
ascii_butugychag and my petrol car works great [19:57]
mircea_popescu "If Tesla is logging interactions with their customers (like phone-calls) to a national database, why didn’t they notice that someone was calling in and only getting voicemail. Shouldn’t this be a red-flag, or shouldn’t someone at Telsa HQ be reaching out to find out why/whats going on/why someone keeps calling so often?" [19:57]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [19:57]
mircea_popescu tesla should run a sexphone service for boring ustards! [19:57]
mircea_popescu USTARD LIVES MATTER!111 [19:57]
mircea_popescu not in this world, bub. [19:57]
ascii_butugychag actually i will point out, re: earlier observation, that the battery and motor are worth, using the free market (ebay) metric, 10k max [19:58]
ascii_butugychag the rest, as with other idiot golden toilets, is for 'intellectual proooooperty' [19:59]
ascii_butugychag pooperty. [19:59]
* BingoBoingo just like the Irony of Musk personally wrecking derps car into undeliverability after deposit placed [19:59]
mircea_popescu no wae ?! [19:59]
mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag what did you look at ? [19:59]
ascii_butugychag folks have been building electromobiles for decades [19:59]
ascii_butugychag out of scrap [19:59]
ascii_butugychag a century, even [20:00]
mircea_popescu but what did you look at ? [20:00]
mircea_popescu << imbeciles don't list battery capacity. wtf is with these people. [20:00]
assbot Model S Specifications | Tesla Motors ... ( ) [20:00]
ascii_butugychag take, say, [20:01]
ascii_butugychag [20:01]
assbot 200 HP Reliance Electrical Motor Type T R U326781 T1 | eBay ... ( ) [20:01]
mircea_popescu "70 kWh or 85 kWh microprocessor controlled, lithium-ion battery". what the fuck does this mean. [20:01]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Why list a capacity that is just going to rapidly decay as soon as it leaves the lot? [20:01]
ben_vulpes > thought questions [20:01]
ben_vulpes wth [20:01]
BingoBoingo Li-ion decays much faster than RTG [20:02]
mircea_popescu so what do you think is a fair price per li/ion kWh, ascii_butugychag ? [20:02]
mircea_popescu new. [20:02]
mircea_popescu seems about 10 bux per Wh, off the boat ? [20:03]
ascii_butugychag for very small, prepackaged cells [20:03]
mircea_popescu even at 1/10 that, 70kWh battery is then 70k. [20:03]
mircea_popescu these are kinda small, prepackaged. [20:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, "very small" as in 1-10 Ah, 12-18 V sort of thing. medium [20:04]
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mircea_popescu very small is 4.95 for .6 Ah or such [20:04]
mircea_popescu .06* [20:04]
ascii_butugychag incidentally, i sure as fuck wouldn't use li ion [20:05]
ascii_butugychag mega-scam. [20:05]
ascii_butugychag decays rapidly. [20:05]
mircea_popescu well i guess there's that. [20:05]
mircea_popescu but still, Three phase, four pole AC induction motor with copper rotor << this thing is well over 10k at that power. [20:05]
ascii_butugychag i linked to the motor. [20:06]
mircea_popescu so, yeah, just the scavengeable parts retail for less in the tesla than they would outside. [20:06]
ascii_butugychag and why the fuck would i buy a new one?! [20:06]
mircea_popescu and you also get a chassis in which you could perhaps put a sane engine. [20:06]
ascii_butugychag mno, no transmission [20:06]
mircea_popescu dude that shit you linked... jesus god. yes, you can get a zamac thing for "1500". [20:06]
mircea_popescu used. no copper. etc. [20:07]
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ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: i think these pre-date the zamac thing [20:07]
mircea_popescu lol [20:07]
ascii_butugychag hell, i'd buy a soviet motor [20:07]
ascii_butugychag built for lifts. [20:07]
deedbot- [Ossasepia] Making Patterns on Euloran Soil - [20:07]
ascii_butugychag but this is lunacy, i will build own car right after i build own woman. [20:08]
mircea_popescu some people like it. [20:08]
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ascii_butugychag no doubt. [20:09]
ascii_butugychag i even would like it, if i liked being in cars. [20:09]
ascii_butugychag which i don't. [20:09]
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mod6 !up hanbot [20:15]
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mod6 !up shinohai [20:15]
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mod6 how's it goin? [20:16]
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trinque fire away [20:21]
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mod6 <+hanbot> eh, can't complain. got a sunburn, acquired another deskbox...speaking of which i'ma want to test trinque's makefile bonanza soon, may be firing derpquestions. << cool! i need some sunshine myself. [20:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92253 @ 0.00055802 = 51.479 BTC [-] {2} [20:26]
mod6 is this an x86-64 box? [20:26]
mod6 'sgottabe if its new [20:29]
mod6 win [20:29]
mod6 [20:32]
assbot ... ( ) [20:32]
mod6 who wants to help ole mod6? [20:45]
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mod6 !up shinohai [20:45]
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shinohai heh I need to verify [20:46]
mod6 i need separate sets of eyes to review this logic part here for low-s: [20:46]
mod6 [20:46]
assbot ... ( ) [20:46]
mod6 the first line is the actual tx, and this part "DEBUG DER S: " comes from: printf("DEBUG DER S: 0x%s
", BN_bn2hex(sig->s));
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mod6 so anyway, i *think* that one is correct. [20:48]
shinohai Also mod6 re: version strings, placing flags first had zero effect so I probably did something wrong. :/ [20:49]
mod6 paste your command string in here. [20:49]
mod6 we'll get it figured out [20:49]
shinohai nohup bitcoind -setverstring=bitcoind -setvernum=99997 -conf=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -datadir=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/ -logtimestamps -myip= -verifyall 2>&1 & [20:51]
mod6 asciilifeform: ^^ [20:51]
mod6 does bitcoind start, even if the verstring doesn't change? [20:52]
shinohai Yeah it starts and shows no errors in logs or anything. [20:52]
mod6 just still has version 9.99.99 or whatever it is? [20:52]
mod6 (instead of 9.99.97) ? [20:53]
shinohai yup. still shows 9.99.99 in start and when I do getinfo [20:53]
mod6 hmm. [20:53]
shinohai But - needless distraction for I am sure you need to concentrate the real effort on this S value problem. >.> [20:54]
shinohai If it comes back with a version of "Bitcoin Classic XT" I'm done. [20:54]
mod6 lel [20:56]
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pete_dushenski ;;ticker [21:01]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 418.51, Best ask: 419.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 419.0, 24 hour volume: 82673.72424267, 24 hour low: 375.01, 24 hour high: 428.0, 24 hour vwap: None [21:01]
thestringpuller Announcing Bitcoin Classic Lite [21:02]
jurov 80 kWh in "consumer" li-ion cells is ~60k [21:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00055802 = 17.9682 BTC [-] [21:02]
jurov 60k$ [21:02]
jurov did the same calculation about nimh, it actually comes out similar [21:03]
jurov while you need more sells, nimh should be less fickle [21:03]
jurov *more cells [21:03]
jurov and they will self-discharge 4% per day, nothing for occassional usage :D [21:05]
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mod6 i need chalk board [21:06]
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pete_dushenski << wd mate. what year's your suburban ? [21:25]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 19:27:41; mod6: no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes. [21:25]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell gabrielradio plox to translate :) [21:27]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:27]
assbot Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:27]
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mod6 pete_dushenski: thx, it's old '08 [21:30]
mod6 new ones are like seventyfive racks [21:31]
pete_dushenski body style changed in 07 tho, neh ? [21:31]
pete_dushenski 2014/15 or w/e is but ugly with those spangly leds [21:31]
mod6 yeah, a bit. the new ones look even less curvy than mine,... more of a boxy look [21:31]
mod6 i guess im just happy that i have windows that roll up and heat. that old shitter that i got for free (basically) was pretty cold driving down the freeway at 65mph when it's -25 F. [21:32]
mod6 and there were some sort of vermin living in there. [21:32]
pete_dushenski tbh i like yours the best. but i might just be partial to that gen because i sold a couple of 'em in my day even ;) [21:33]
mod6 its a pretty nice vehicle. its like all the power of a full-size truck with some extra seating. [21:33]
mod6 you never know when you might need to fit 7 hookers in the car. [21:34]
shinohai ^ [21:34]
pete_dushenski or a 72-point buck [21:34]
mod6 shit, yeah. [21:34]
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pete_dushenski trucks are all about "what if..." [21:35]
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pete_dushenski [21:44]
assbot The cheque republic: money in a modern economy with no banks. | Bank Underground ... ( ) [21:44]
pete_dushenski ^ireland in 1970s as case study [21:46]
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pete_dushenski << maybe clitler is using robo-speech writers already ? [21:48]
assbot ... ( ) [21:48]
pete_dushenski "Many political speeches show the same structures and same characteristics regardless of the actual topic. Some phrases and arguments appear again and again and indicate a certain political affiliation or opinion. We want to use these remarkable patterns to train a system that generates new speeches" [21:49]
pete_dushenski obviously the 'researchers' were able to take us congressional floor debates, chop 'em up, and spit out something that sounds no worse. garbage in, garbage out. now try this with actual debates from actual history and see how far you get. my guess : not far. [21:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43252 @ 0.00055742 = 24.1095 BTC [-] {2} [21:52]
BingoBoingo Last block, quite the stinker by F2Pool [21:58]
pete_dushenski how so ? [21:59]
BingoBoingo Long verification time. [22:00]
ben_vulpes mod6: didja ever share an actual patch for the code you're working on? brief face-grep through logs reveals nada [22:01]
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mod6 no i haven't yet. [22:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00055816 = 44.904 BTC [+] [22:04]
mod6 thanks for asking. i just went through my high-S enforcement code by hand, and i know for sure that I have an error in there. about to fix it and try that out. [22:05]
mod6 ok changes made. gonna recompile send some test txn, then if all *seems* well, will share my vpatch [22:14]
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* mod6 is not a fan of the style used in here [22:20]
mod6 (the code) [22:20]
mod6 it's like [22:20]
mod6 if (thing) [22:20]
mod6 { [22:20]
mod6 // stuff [22:20]
mod6 } [22:20]
mod6 rather than: [22:20]
mod6 if(thing) { [22:20]
mod6 // stuff [22:20]
mod6 } [22:20]
mod6 guess its just a personal pref. *shrug* [22:21]
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mod6 i guess this is funny because back when I first started writing code, a hundred million internet years ago, i liked the first way better. [22:26]
mod6 go figure. [22:26]
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mod6 ;;later tell pete_dushenski Salud! [22:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:33]
BingoBoingo some of these comments [22:34]
assbot So Gavin, will you hold the repository keys to Main Bitcoin classic repo ? : Bitcoin_Classic ... ( ) [22:34]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [22:37]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 422.6, Best ask: 422.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 422.61, 24 hour volume: 82797.3201925, 24 hour low: 377.17, 24 hour high: 428.0, 24 hour vwap: None [22:37]
mircea_popescu this death is unimpressive. [22:39]
BingoBoingo Seriously [22:40]
mircea_popescu turns out all the "richest country in the world" could muster was a coupla days' of 10% and a readily defeated pair of anonymous junkies. [22:40]
mircea_popescu reminds me of a story of rachel welch's bra and the most important man in the world. [22:40]
BingoBoingo Couldn't keep it up any longer than it too ACH to clear new fiat into exchanges [22:40]
deedbot- [Qntra] IMF: Bitcoin Features Present "Risks" To Us - [22:41]
mircea_popescu heh. the imf has no trb mandate, nor will it. [22:42]
mircea_popescu so that settles that. [22:42]
BingoBoingo pretty much [22:51]
mod6 ;;tslb [22:53]
gribble Time since last block: 18 minutes and 8 seconds [22:53]
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mod6 ;;tslb [23:05]
gribble Time since last block: 1 minute and 59 seconds [23:05]
mircea_popescu ;;tslf [23:19]
gribble Error: "tslf" is not a valid command. [23:19]
mircea_popescu awww. [23:19]
mod6 i got another tx dropped on the floor. im also 2 blocks behind, so not sure if it cares. [23:20]
mircea_popescu shouldn't. [23:20]
mircea_popescu this is turning into quite the bitch is it ? [23:20]
mod6 this test tx was processed by the original code. [23:20]
mod6 mircea_popescu: eh, ya. but worthwhile. [23:20]
mircea_popescu if nothing else, an instructive foray into the incredible fragility of the network. [23:21]
mod6 here's the tx: bf990fa50a4ea2c13dbe8f65c42c5fcb7b3439109b0c2d0e22081960a9c5fe9a [23:21]
mod6 yah, no doubt. [23:21]
mircea_popescu i can't see it anywhere. it never propagated past your next hop odds are. [23:22]
mod6 [23:22]
assbot ... ( ) [23:22]
mod6 yeah, im sure it never made it out [23:22]
mod6 just kinda documenting here a bit. [23:23]
mircea_popescu << who's this ? [23:23]
mod6 first tx with original code went through np. [23:23]
assbot Pay no attention to sky high P/E ratios, outlandish global debt, or market selling restrictions. Continue to transfer your hard earned money to fund managers, like a good citizen. : investing ... ( ) [23:23]
mircea_popescu in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? [23:27]
mircea_popescu anyway, what's the true truth of truthiness BingoBoingo, is hearn quitted or did he quit like stolfi ? [23:31]
mod6 another dropped on the floor. [23:35]
mod6 im gonna do 3 per option: orig/low/high [23:36]
mod6 [23:36]
assbot ... ( ) [23:36]
mod6 (a work in progress) [23:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148119 @ 0.00055714 = 82.523 BTC [-] {2} [23:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He's prolly going to turn Stolfi, haven't tracked to see if he's done so already [23:51]
BingoBoingo in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48950 @ 0.00055608 = 27.2201 BTC [-] {2} [23:56]
BingoBoingo "end on January" [23:58]
BingoBoingo Prolly something about seeing how much has would actually commit to their dumpster fire [23:58]
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