Forum logs for 19 May 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market buttchina | [03:09] |
gribble | BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 233.827048, Best ask: 233.831884, Bid-ask spread: 0.00484, Last trade: 233.82866, 24 hour volume: 17755.83700000, 24 hour low: 232.935612, 24 hour high: 236.89952, 24 hour vwap: 235.370633812 | [03:09] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market itbutt | [03:09] |
gribble | Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all' | [03:09] |
BingoBoingo | ^ nanotube can gribble get itbutt ticker pls? | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | trinque hey, you gonna make deedbot announce bitbet bets too ? | [03:12] |
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mircea_popescu | trinque hey, you gonna make deedbot announce bitbet bets too ? | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137812 << imo dos is actually better than unix. | [03:15] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 05:33:47; trinque: asciilifeform: I tend to think if it survived that long something's right about it | [03:15] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: bitbets sure, it's RSS? | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | json iirc | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | it was new props, and bets > 1 btc iirc. | [03:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00028176 = 4.5082 BTC [+] {2} | [03:19] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137579 << for the record, corruption is the only thing that's actually good, just, sane and humane in that discussion. | [03:21] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 00:56:48; justJanne: mike_c: kinda. But corruption makes discussion always useless. | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | all the shoulding and oughting and wanting is outright criminal. | [03:21] |
trinque | is that like, paying people to do things? | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | ikr? | [03:21] |
trinque | fucking evil | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | me persuading people to betray uncle sam = corruption!111 ; congress coming up with fatca to FORCE people into betraying their own customers = rule of law | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | go fig. | [03:22] |
trinque | they're incredibly obedient, which is probably fine under sane circumstances | [03:24] |
mircea_popescu | corruption is commerce that dares work against one's ideological goals. the mere fact that this could happen invalidates that one's thinking, and the fact it happens i npractice, and not even exceptionally but to the degree it can no longe be ignored even by the wilfully ignorant ... | [03:24] |
mircea_popescu | basically if corruption is a problem you're hitler. | [03:24] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137586 << yes, it is. so is germany. the situation here is that a leper and a phtysic point at each other. | [03:26] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 00:59:33; justJanne: Because the US is a reference point as worst case civilized country. | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | yes, yes, the one with tb will die first and the one with leprosy stinks worst. big whoop. | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | and on which, incidentally, http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Bulletin_1904_1000535282/85 | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | "Doubtless the danger of infection is exaggerated to-day in its sociological dangerous manner." | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | century ago, same problems. | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as there's free herring in the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were the most unfortunate wretches throughout the intermediate period between first | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | and second example. | [03:32] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 00:58:49; justJanne: And the personal freedom in the Nordic model is larger than in the US. | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | i get it, you got how to throw a great party down, once someone prepares the cupboards. very impressed. | [03:33] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137610 << epic. | [03:34] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 01:04:12; justJanne: Your employer has to send that money to the govt. | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | "youy have to fuck this drake on cam. go ahead." | [03:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108648 @ 0.000286 = 31.0733 BTC [+] {2} | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137626 << no. and neither will slovakia. unless it's a good deal for them, making it a cheap way to acquire publicity rights for your case for instance. | [03:36] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 01:07:21; jurov: will The Most Serene Republic cover your medical expenses in case of accident? | [03:36] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137636 << then you suck and should be dead in the first place. | [03:36] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 01:09:19; justJanne: And what if you can't afford it at that point? | [03:36] |
mircea_popescu | there's no rule that "everyone must has", be it equal chances or whatever else. there's also no rule that everyone's just as good as everyone else. | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | not everything has to be preserved. some shit dies, thanks fucking god. | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137652 << this is true. famine is what made eastern european girls such hotties the past 2-3 decades. it's fading, of course. | [03:38] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 01:12:44; justJanne: With less than 47% of the people owning cars, and everyone using bikes, public transport, and walking, the amount of overweight people reduces drastically. | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137659 << i'm with him. i love walking. | [03:41] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 01:15:12; BingoBoingo: I dunno anything beats walking. | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137661 << why would anyone sane live in a rookery. | [03:41] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 01:15:30; justJanne: If you have small narrow streets, distances between 10 and 15 km, and a huge amount of people on tiny space, | [03:41] |
BingoBoingo | The natural order of things is you walk around town and drive (car, horse, rocket) between towns. | [03:42] |
mircea_popescu | yeh | [03:42] |
BingoBoingo | A bicycle is just dead wait that's going to get stolen as soon as you have to go inside a building | [03:43] |
mircea_popescu | "on this point, there can be no debate!" | [03:43] |
BingoBoingo | And if one can't walk with leisure to all places of import in the town, the town sucks | [03:45] |
trinque | driving alone on a road being a close second | [03:45] |
trinque | I used to get a lot of thinking done driving between the major cities in TX; past a certain hour there's nobody out there | [03:46] |
BingoBoingo | driving alone on a road in the middle of nowhere during the day, just might take first place | [03:47] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137702 << sounds exactly like the chinese palace of pu yi | [03:47] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 02:00:50; mats: this occurred under the management of three supply dudes, each of them who successively transferred to another unit before shit hit the fan, and to my knowledge nobody's been locked up yet | [03:47] |
trinque | try making angry plans for your life on your fucking bicycle | [03:47] |
trinque | impossible | [03:47] |
mircea_popescu | trinque or while having secx. | [03:47] |
trinque | lol, I give that a 50/50 on working out | [03:49] |
trinque | could be like "and then we're going to own half this city" and so on, with thrusts | [03:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54500 @ 0.00028775 = 15.6824 BTC [+] {3} | [03:49] |
mircea_popescu | >D | [03:50] |
mircea_popescu | so try it sometime | [03:50] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137742 << well, what they say they're doing and what they're actually doing in training exercises is famously divorced. | [03:52] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 02:45:32; decimation: he might have been bullshitting | [03:52] |
mircea_popescu | "This room has vx gas in it!11" "no, not really, act as if it did." | [03:52] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137752 << nukes, smaller. | [03:53] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 02:49:42; mats: chemical weapons are only useful for propaganda | [03:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00028823 = 9.1945 BTC [+] {2} | [03:53] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137760 << obv, as displayed in chat. the most amusing part being the implicit expectation one'd care. which apparently only exists because it was never challenged. | [03:55] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 03:06:37; decimation: I suspect one cannot be against 'basic income' and 'insurance for all' without being a nazi in modern germany | [03:55] |
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ben_vulpes | kakobrekla: does log.bitcoin-assets.com have some weird filtering? | [04:29] |
ben_vulpes | pnohe does not want to resolve dns even apparently | [04:29] |
ben_vulpes | raptop, howeverz... | [04:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00028227 = 1.9053 BTC [-] | [04:40] |
justJanne | BingoBingo: the issue is that you can't walk around in larger towns anymore, and that's where bikes become useful. And no, people don't steal it. Hell, I've left my laptop hundreds of times on random park benches in heavily frequented parks, never stolen. In my neighborhood most people don't even lock their doors. | [04:44] |
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justJanne | And that's where you are wrong. | [04:47] |
ben_vulpes | justJanne: there are simply too many people on this planet | [04:47] |
justJanne | Nope. | [04:47] |
justJanne | Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people. | [04:47] |
justJanne | But about 40% of the produced food is wasted. | [04:48] |
ben_vulpes | were it all dispersed evenly across everyone, rather than proportionately to their ability to pay. | [04:48] |
trinque | "at this rate of emptying the tank we could support infinite trucks" | [04:48] |
justJanne | Not really. | [04:48] |
ben_vulpes | suuuure, if all the food were spread really thinly across the whole population base, we could all live on gruel! | [04:48] |
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justJanne | No. | [04:48] |
williamdunne | Waste is a fact, there is no real way around it | [04:49] |
ben_vulpes | this contradiction routine wears thin, justJanne. | [04:49] |
williamdunne | We could have more people if people wanted to fuck ugly chicks | [04:49] |
williamdunne | But they don't | [04:49] |
justJanne | I am saying: just the food you let go to waste would be enough to feed the starving people in Africa. | [04:49] |
trinque | justJanne: bringing things places costs money | [04:50] |
ben_vulpes | i literally give zero shits about starving people in africa. | [04:50] |
justJanne | And that's the issue what's wrong with this world. | [04:50] |
justJanne | Or rather, how to get wars. | [04:50] |
ben_vulpes | show me how to save my wot from impending doom, and i'll give a shit. | [04:50] |
ben_vulpes | but saving randos on another continent? idgaf. | [04:50] |
williamdunne | Africa might actually stand a chance of doing something if it weren't for various restrictions placed by EU, USG and co | [04:50] |
justJanne | True. | [04:51] |
williamdunne | Feeding them is useless | [04:51] |
trinque | justJanne: does europe now think it is "beyond" war? | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | "war is interested in you" | [04:51] |
trinque | ^ | [04:51] |
justJanne | War might be interested in Europe, as an entity | [04:51] |
justJanne | But the wars inside of EU are history. | [04:51] |
justJanne | For the first time in the past 3000 years we have no wars between EU countries. | [04:52] |
ben_vulpes | bwahaha | [04:52] |
trinque | fascinating... | [04:52] |
ben_vulpes | for this brief period | [04:52] |
trinque | does germany own the EU politically now? | [04:52] |
justJanne | Nah. | [04:52] |
trinque | justJanne: you're german right? | [04:52] |
justJanne | The EU council has actually no say. | [04:52] |
trinque | whoever has money has say | [04:52] |
justJanne | The power is in the commission and the parliament | [04:53] |
ben_vulpes | heh, cute | [04:53] |
ben_vulpes | not those who buy the votes. no never that. | [04:53] |
justJanne | You can't pass a law without either bribing half of them, | [04:53] |
justJanne | Or changing the constitution first. | [04:53] |
ben_vulpes | in what world are all of the politicians in any situation not wholly owned by capital? | [04:54] |
ben_vulpes | this Janne babe's doing a number on the chan, smack in the middle of the keymageddon. | [04:55] |
williamdunne | A magic world without capital | [04:55] |
justJanne | The EU commissioners, albeit getting lobbied to by many companies to pass TTIP just leaked all secret treaties they are working on. | [04:55] |
williamdunne | TTIP seems like an interesting idea, IMO | [04:55] |
justJanne | They might be corrupt, but they aren't that corrupt. | [04:55] |
williamdunne | Keep governments liable for damages | [04:55] |
williamdunne | Do it | [04:55] |
justJanne | Lol | [04:55] |
ben_vulpes | !rate justJanne -1 some girl with notions | [04:55] |
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justJanne | We've seen what happened before. | [04:55] |
justJanne | Romania reduced subsidies, | [04:55] |
justJanne | And had to pay 250 million in damages. | [04:56] |
justJanne | Per suing company. | [04:56] |
justJanne | Subsidies can't be what you want, right? | [04:56] |
* | williamdunne admittedly only read about the "er mer gerd evul cerperatshuns rapin guv" | [04:56] |
ben_vulpes | !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.justJanne.-1:27e8f6ad997dec923ad3c861be03ff72636087cdaac99dd9e535179a33aa1675 | [04:56] |
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williamdunne | Don't want subsidies | [04:56] |
williamdunne | Don't want taxes | [04:56] |
williamdunne | Don't want gov | [04:57] |
justJanne | Then you should be against TTIP | [04:57] |
justJanne | Because it forces governments to keep subsidies, or increase them. | [04:57] |
justJanne | It also leads to restrictions for some companies. | [04:57] |
justJanne | And adds European IP law in the US, and US IP law in Europe. | [04:57] |
justJanne | So no, you can't produce cheese and call it Gouda or Cheddar in the US anymore. | [04:58] |
justJanne | Ad that's copyrighted. | [04:58] |
justJanne | *as | [04:58] |
justJanne | TTIP is bad for almost everyone. | [04:58] |
williamdunne | Don't want IP | [04:58] |
williamdunne | I just like the idea of suing government, wasn't aware that you could sue for removed subsidies | [04:59] |
justJanne | Then you don't want TTIP | [04:59] |
justJanne | You should read the treaty. | [04:59] |
williamdunne | I should, I'll do that later | [04:59] |
williamdunne | Although in this case I like subsidies, I change my mind | [04:59] |
trinque | what I do want is other people signing contracts on my behalf. | [04:59] |
trinque | dictating terms to me | [04:59] |
trinque | this is freedom | [04:59] |
justJanne | Nah. | [04:59] |
trinque | yes. | [04:59] |
williamdunne | ^ +1, trinque you want my GPG key? | [05:00] |
trinque | you're too young to have ever had anything | [05:00] |
justJanne | Freedom is when you'd get to vote on it. | [05:00] |
williamdunne | Wut? | [05:00] |
trinque | williamdunne: for what | [05:00] |
williamdunne | trinque: Signing contracts on my behalf | [05:00] |
ben_vulpes | i'm looking forward to ttip draining medicaid for hilaribad training proggys | [05:00] |
trinque | williamdunne: oh, I do not | [05:00] |
justJanne | Without even the ability to vote on this, TTIP is unconstitutional. | [05:00] |
williamdunne | Voting ain't freedom | [05:00] |
justJanne | Nah. | [05:00] |
justJanne | But without voting there is 0 freedom. | [05:00] |
ben_vulpes | kakobrekla: how long do i have to wait for assbot to accept and act on my raitings? | [05:01] |
williamdunne | Voting arguably reduces freedom | [05:01] |
justJanne | Voting makes it 50% freedom, as at least 50% of the people gets their choice. | [05:01] |
ben_vulpes | ratings* | [05:01] |
justJanne | Without voting, there is 0 freedom | [05:01] |
trinque | justJanne: 435/320mil are going to rubber stamp this thing and make me ok with it? | [05:01] |
williamdunne | In that case with voting there is -1 freedom | [05:01] |
williamdunne | It gives the idea of legitimacy to bad things | [05:01] |
justJanne | Why? | [05:01] |
williamdunne | If that is freedom, so is gangrape | [05:02] |
justJanne | Not everything is bad, just because you don't like it. | [05:02] |
williamdunne | Subjectively it is | [05:02] |
ben_vulpes | but the average of opinions is good, because it includes everyone!1 | [05:02] |
cazalla | russians need to send more reds to rape german women tbh, fuck this shit | [05:02] |
justJanne | But objectively not. | [05:02] |
williamdunne | Objectively speaking stealing from people is bad | [05:02] |
williamdunne | The fact that there is an organization doing it on your behalf makes it no better | [05:02] |
justJanne | There is no stealing. | [05:03] |
williamdunne | Regardless if you've got your popular mandate | [05:03] |
williamdunne | *of if | [05:03] |
justJanne | You do it voluntarily. | [05:03] |
ben_vulpes | [05:03] | |
trinque | justJanne: there is allowing the state to control the definition of money and of ownership. | [05:03] |
trinque | the fucking end | [05:03] |
justJanne | You could just move to Somalia. | [05:03] |
justJanne | No taxes anymore. | [05:03] |
justJanne | See? | [05:03] |
justJanne | No stealing. | [05:03] |
williamdunne | Thats not how this works | [05:03] |
justJanne | It's your choice to live in a place with taxes. | [05:03] |
williamdunne | No it isn't, I was born here | [05:03] |
justJanne | We had that earlier. | [05:04] |
ben_vulpes | lol and this is a 19yo girl | [05:04] |
justJanne | And you said people deserve to be punished for the actions for their ancestors. | [05:04] |
williamdunne | When did I say this? | [05:04] |
justJanne | In this case, you deserve to be taxed because your parents were to stupid to move away | [05:04] |
trinque | heh | [05:04] |
ben_vulpes | and you deserve to be raped for supporting socialism then? | [05:04] |
williamdunne | [citation needed] | [05:04] |
justJanne | I think trinque was the one saying it? | [05:04] |
cazalla | justJanne, hope you get raped by a gang of marauding muslims over there | [05:05] |
trinque | I'll take it | [05:05] |
williamdunne | Trinque's statements aren't my own, this isn't a government | [05:05] |
trinque | yep | [05:05] |
justJanne | So, williamdunne, you say people don't deserve to be punished for the actions of their ancestors? | [05:06] |
williamdunne | Yes | [05:06] |
justJanne | So everyone should, after birth, have the same chances? | [05:06] |
ben_vulpes | [05:06] | |
williamdunne | No | [05:06] |
justJanne | Why not? | [05:06] |
williamdunne | Something can be without being enacted | [05:06] |
williamdunne | The difference is the initiation | [05:06] |
justJanne | Why should they be punished for their parents poorness? | [05:06] |
trinque | justJanne: you use should to leap across things you don't want to have to think about. | [05:06] |
ben_vulpes | [05:06] | |
trinque | this is nothing bad, just being young and not knowing anything | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | !up referredbyloper | [05:06] |
williamdunne | They aren't being punished, they simply are | [05:06] |
-assbot- | You voiced referredbyloper for 30 minutes. | [05:06] |
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justJanne | Punishment through inaction is still punishment. | [05:07] |
williamdunne | No, it isn't | [05:07] |
trinque | you know, if socialists are happy in socialism, why isn't that fine? | [05:07] |
trinque | I say sit in it | [05:07] |
williamdunne | Because they enforce it on others, if they want to create a commune go for it | [05:07] |
ben_vulpes | rot in your poo! | [05:07] |
justJanne | I don't know. I have no issues with you guys building a state of anarchy, | [05:07] |
trinque | anarchy lol | [05:07] |
justJanne | As long as this place can stay the way it is. | [05:07] |
williamdunne | You don't really get a choice in what happens | [05:08] |
ben_vulpes | and how would you know how this place is, justJanne | [05:08] |
mircea_popescu | [05:08] | |
justJanne | trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets. | [05:08] |
justJanne | That's pretty much anarchy. | [05:08] |
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trinque | no one speaks for me | [05:08] |
mircea_popescu | who said this and where did they say it ? | [05:08] |
justJanne | williamdunne said it, for example. | [05:08] |
ben_vulpes | [05:09] | |
justJanne | Several others said the same before. | [05:09] |
ben_vulpes | williamdunne does not count. | [05:09] |
trinque | scam | [05:09] |
trinque | ben_vulpes: provacateur! | [05:09] |
williamdunne | Once again, my opinions are my own | [05:09] |
williamdunne | Something I have said does not apply to others here | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne you will have to learn to cite. | [05:09] |
justJanne | williamdunne Don't want taxes | [05:09] |
williamdunne | And I am not a lord | [05:09] |
justJanne | williamdunne Don't want gov | [05:09] |
ben_vulpes | [05:09] | |
ben_vulpes | kid doesn't matter | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | not merely because to prevail in arguments, but because a mind that's organised without strong sourcing of propositions is windows in a skullbox. | [05:10] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Once again, you're quoting me | [05:10] |
ben_vulpes | can't keep an irc bot up | [05:10] |
justJanne | Yes, and I'm arguing with you. | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | aww why so mean! | [05:10] |
williamdunne | On that note, scoop will be back later today | [05:10] |
williamdunne | for good this time | [05:10] |
williamdunne | I swearsies | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | good. | [05:10] |
justJanne | If the others want to join the argument, they have to also measure themselves to your statements. | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | not how this works justJanne | [05:10] |
williamdunne | Read the logs | [05:11] |
williamdunne | Their positions are all in there | [05:11] |
ben_vulpes | williamdunne: better to demonstrate than postulate. | [05:11] |
williamdunne | justJanne: You're joining the argument, not the other way around | [05:11] |
justJanne | No. | [05:11] |
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justJanne | I made yesterday some statements, | [05:11] |
justJanne | That were picked out of context and attacked today. | [05:11] |
williamdunne | What meanies | [05:11] |
trinque | people review the logs and respond; get used to it | [05:11] |
justJanne | By people saying they want no subsidies, but TTIP | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | they were taken out of the context you intended them in and placed in the wider context prevailing here. | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | this gives you an opportunity to explain yourself, or to go nuts i guess. | [05:12] |
justJanne | I didn't go nuts yet. | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | not yet, no :) | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | incidentally, anyone ever tried nut-aged cheese ? | [05:12] |
justJanne | I wonder how you guys actually think your social system will work in reality. | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | ever read anythng on the topic ? | [05:13] |
justJanne | Yeah, a friend of mine was an extreme anarchist. | [05:13] |
justJanne | So I read and learned a lot about it. | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | woman. your derpy friends are immaterial. | [05:13] |
justJanne | Interesting idea, unless it is implemented, within of a dozen generations it often stops working. | [05:14] |
mircea_popescu | i've known a bunch of german sluts, i don't go around assuming you're one, right ? | [05:14] |
justJanne | Nah. | [05:14] |
williamdunne | justJanne: What is implemented? WoT is alive and well | [05:14] |
justJanne | But we talked through your topic a bunch of times. | [05:14] |
mircea_popescu | yeah i guess time for a reading list. | [05:14] |
justJanne | williamdunne: when you'd try to implement this system in reality, as a social system. | [05:14] |
williamdunne | We're being social now | [05:15] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ << start there. | [05:15] |
williamdunne | It is implemented in reality | [05:15] |
ben_vulpes | this is why we must insist on the log-reading, regardless of how cute or female. | [05:15] |
justJanne | Especially the "let poor people become poorer" and the "rich become richer" part. | [05:15] |
ben_vulpes | neither of which etc etc | [05:15] |
williamdunne | Wut? | [05:15] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes also must give people rope to hang with, it's a tandem process. | [05:15] |
ben_vulpes | NO | [05:15] |
ben_vulpes | KILL NAO | [05:15] |
BingoBoingo | [05:15] | |
justJanne | After just a dozen generations, your poor will rise up against you. | [05:15] |
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williamdunne | justJanne: I shared all of your opinions at first, thought MP was a cock etc. I then had the decency to spend ~9 months reading logs and blogs before speaking | [05:16] |
ben_vulpes | honey read logs | [05:16] |
ben_vulpes | stop derpin | [05:16] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo from what i hear a major battle is raging in us agriculture. monsanto vs agrobiz | [05:16] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Poor would benefit as much as anyone else, well, the working poor | [05:16] |
ben_vulpes | this handle of your'n already burtn | [05:16] |
ben_vulpes | burnt | [05:16] |
justJanne | williamdunne: I read blogs about it for 3 years. | [05:16] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Not about it | [05:17] |
williamdunne | The blogs here | [05:17] |
williamdunne | Scoopbots reading list | [05:17] |
mircea_popescu | about something else masquerading as it. | [05:17] |
justJanne | And it made me even more convinced it is a great system in theory. Not in reality. | [05:17] |
justJanne | No, literally your ideas and statements. | [05:17] |
ben_vulpes | [05:17] | |
mircea_popescu | you've done what a hacker news reader would do, reading the usg piece instead of my piece and imagining "oh i read about crypto" | [05:17] |
mircea_popescu | no, you have not. | [05:17] |
justJanne | I even read dozens of logs of the chat before. | [05:17] |
mircea_popescu | it doesn't show, somehow. | [05:17] |
williamdunne | justJanne: No, you haven't | [05:17] |
justJanne | Because I still don't believe it is a good idea. | [05:18] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: There's always the lover's quarrels with those two. Could just be phosphorous is getting expensive... | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | no, not because of what you believe. because of how you proceed. | [05:18] |
justJanne | One can have an opinion different of yours. | [05:18] |
williamdunne | No shit | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | actually everyone does, is the amusing thing. | [05:18] |
justJanne | mircea_popescu: I didn't start any process. | [05:18] |
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justJanne | Someone yesterday asked what's so bad about abolishing the Nordic model. | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne how you proceed means "how you go about it" | [05:18] |
justJanne | That's how the whole thing started. | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | the nordic model consists of being lucky, is all. | [05:19] |
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justJanne | Since then, I'm just defending the current position. | [05:19] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: how are you even awake | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137845 << there is your controlling counter justJanne. do you know what the scania thing references ? | [05:19] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 06:28:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as there's free herring in the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were the most unfortunate wretches throughout the | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes i don't sleep, i wait. | [05:19] |
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justJanne | Ofc I know that shit. | [05:20] |
ben_vulpes | [05:20] | |
justJanne | Bit that's not the case. | [05:20] |
williamdunne | On a similar note, I considered dunne.so and thug.so as alternative to thethug.life | [05:20] |
mircea_popescu | what do you mean "it's not the case" ? | [05:20] |
ben_vulpes | anyways i got magical tits runnin around i'm off | [05:20] |
davout | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137219 <<< volunteer firemen work for the extra cunt | [05:20] |
assbot | Logged on 18-05-2015 23:51:02; justJanne: because they are volunteers. | [05:20] |
mircea_popescu | davout she's not figured that out yet. | [05:21] |
justJanne | >_> | [05:21] |
BingoBoingo | [05:22] | |
mircea_popescu | "work" vs work | [05:22] |
BingoBoingo | Luck? The benevolent ghost of the Kaiser | [05:22] |
justJanne | davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too? | [05:23] |
mircea_popescu | nah, latinos mostly do c style work (figure out the least you can get away with and do less htan that). | [05:23] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: But it's all calories! | [05:23] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne they especially. | [05:23] |
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justJanne | And volunteer garbage workers? | [05:23] |
justJanne | They too? | [05:23] |
mircea_popescu | you have any idea what bdsm is ? | [05:23] |
trinque | justJanne: you cannot begin to imagine the bore of a planned out life for a male... good fucking god | [05:23] |
trinque | seems like it sounds fantastic to you | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | lots of pedos volunteer to be teachers. is scarcely a proof your system works. | [05:24] |
davout | justJanne: i don't know lol, you were talking about firemen, guess they're bored or something, but then again, you don't only see volunteer librarians in societies that "work well" | [05:24] |
trinque | everyone has their place! | [05:24] |
williamdunne | Some in the gutter.. | [05:24] |
justJanne | True. But it shows that people have the will and ability to do good without pay. | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | trinque you think it's a gender issue ? i dun think she's old enough yet. | [05:24] |
davout | justJanne: just because you don't see what folks get out of a deal doesn't mean they're not getting anything | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne if it's not worth paying for it wasn't that good in the first place. | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | & what d said. | [05:25] |
gribble | Error: "what" is not a valid command. | [05:25] |
BingoBoingo | [05:25] | |
williamdunne | Interesting, didn't realise ampersand was a gribble thing | [05:25] |
davout | BingoBoingo: don't you get to steal a TP roll a day already? | [05:25] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: could just as well be something taught to everyone, that risk is terrible and to be avoided | [05:25] |
justJanne | BingoBoingo: then you'd have a hard time here, 90% of all librarians are volunteers. | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | gribble's a control sequence slut. CSS | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | trinque and yet she is here. | [05:25] |
davout | justJanne: you underestimate the percentage of people that would do anything to merely get some social interaction, aka feel lonely | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | ESPECIALLY in societies that "Work well" by old woman standards. | [05:26] |
BingoBoingo | justJanne: Seeing as the library profession here requires a graduate degree it wouldn't be sustainable here. | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | such as "northern countries" w/e that may mean. | [05:26] |
justJanne | That's no issue, davout. Such immaterial payments are just what I originally meant. | [05:27] |
trinque | so they're all already smashed into obedience, and were born there | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | amusingly, the only place where that model is actually sustainable is... israel. | [05:27] |
trinque | so yeah the cell's fine whatever, sun's shining out there today | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | where the old woman doctrine has the nice counterpart of the freely provided fun stuff to do by the palestinians. | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | if those schmucks had any idea about their important place in keeping adlai happy... | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne do you read french ? | [05:28] |
justJanne | Not really, I didn't take it as 3rd or 4th language in school | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | a, that's a pity. | [05:28] |
davout | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137366 <<< top kek | [05:28] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 00:14:48; hanbot: how about jealous wives? | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | i lol'd too >D | [05:29] |
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davout | srsly, catching up with log, you guys have been going for like 8 hours now? | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | she's insatiable. | [05:29] |
davout | haha | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | we're reduced to taking turns and losing sleep. | [05:29] |
justJanne | I have no issue explaining people why removing the Nordic model would be bad. | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | which is thefundamental problem with manhood. | [05:29] |
justJanne | I've slept 3h and skipped 2 lectures -.- | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne so far you've not considered the part where it is already collapsing on its own, bnecause it doesn't work, because it's strictly based on getting lucky. | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | VERY lucky. | [05:30] |
BingoBoingo | No wonder the Greeks are taking over the EU's jools | [05:30] |
justJanne | True. | [05:30] |
mircea_popescu | well, you need a system that works without assumptions. | [05:31] |
justJanne | Germany can only have a positive state household by exploiting southern Europe. | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | sure, if you get a shitton of oil when oil's valuable / fish when fish is valuable etc, the "nordic model" is a great way to share it. | [05:31] |
justJanne | Which is not a good thing. | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | what do you do when you don't ? | [05:31] |
williamdunne | I'm impressed with how quick shes climbing the stats | [05:31] |
justJanne | So, like you said, we need to reduce it. | [05:31] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Share the dead bodies | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne people generally don't wish to accept that nazism was absolutely unavoidable, FOR THIS REASON | [05:32] |
justJanne | mircea_popescu: the Nordic model is possible without any valuable resources. | [05:32] |
justJanne | As seen in places like Switzerland. | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | purely economic. as hitler actually pointed out : we don't have enough land to exploit. either we fight or "the way of life" has to change. | [05:32] |
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justJanne | And the solution for that was: | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne are you kidding ? switzerland is exploiting a resource | [05:32] |
justJanne | High tech industry. | [05:32] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu when you're willing to accept that theft is okay, how many more steps is murder? Europe and the US already murders vast quantities of people in Africa | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | banking, mostly. but the us raped them. | [05:32] |
justJanne | True. | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne "murder". in the immortal words of butch, "if he were a better boxer he'd still be alive" | [05:33] |
justJanne | I'll brb | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne don't die over b-a hon. it's eternal, will be here when you're 69, too. | [05:33] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: I largely agree, Africa doesn't have much going for it but I do think it stands a chance of doing a helluva lot better without various EU/US laws. | [05:34] |
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mircea_popescu | williamdunne one of the most amusing things, to me, is that the entire "black domination" subtrend in porn is driven almost entirely by white men. | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | it's like... we're so far ahead of the curve, we will PRETEND to be playing all others' hands, too. because... w/e. | [05:35] |
williamdunne | cuckold too | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | certainly. | [05:35] |
williamdunne | But do you not think that without various shitty laws preventing any African from doing something other than eating dirt? | [05:36] |
williamdunne | i.e AML bullshit, trade sanctions/restrictions etc | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | you vastly overrepresent their reach. | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much everyone in the civilised world (us and eu excluded) lives fine without ever touching those. | [05:37] |
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williamdunne | Sure, but they put someone without money at a disadvantage | [05:37] |
williamdunne | *further | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway, to round off the "social marketplace" thing : if one is to reclassify slave labour as "voluntaryism", which is undoubtedly erroneous but nevertheless coherent with the presupositions proposed, then sure, i am a champion of "the northern model" | [05:38] |
williamdunne | Don't think we all should be equal in fairyland but creating additional barriers is about the equivalent of kicking a man while he is down | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne someone without money has the disadvantage of not what to spend and the advantage of not having what to protect. | [05:39] |
williamdunne | Ofc | [05:40] |
mircea_popescu | you ever play cards ? | [05:40] |
williamdunne | Only in the drunken manner, not the competitive | [05:41] |
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mircea_popescu | mkay. so take poker. a very simple description of poker is that you can either play hooker or bluffer. to play hooker you need card superiority, and try to trick your opponent into paying. | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | to play bluffer you nbeed card inferiority, and try to trick your opponent into folding. | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | now, if one's afore-decided they will be bluffing, a) they won't make very good poker players and b) any hand they get can "put them at a disadvantage". | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | because it's not what they expected / wish to play / etc. | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | why should this matter ? play the fucking hand. you adjust to fit it, not the other way around. | [05:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81200 @ 0.00028126 = 22.8383 BTC [-] {2} | [05:43] |
williamdunne | In this case its more like the bluffer having to play with a different set of superiority rules | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | how would that work ? does being rich change thermodynamics or something ? | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | rich man's bridge will collapse just like poor man's bridge will. | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | but yes, the set of rules that control the game are different for hookers and bluffers. for hookers, the rules that control are "A > K > Q" etc. | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | for bluffers, "you don't get to see my cards if you fold" | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | so yes, different. necessarily so. | [05:45] |
williamdunne | Sure, but I don't think it's a very controversial idea that various rules such as the AML set put entire regions of people at a disadvantage | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | depends in what terms. | [05:46] |
williamdunne | Well | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | obviously, if you refuse to trade with putin, this puts "putin as seen through our trade with him" at a disadvantage. | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | but then putin turns around, alligns with china economically in exchange for support for his "regions of eurasia" political model | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | and you're well fucked. | [05:46] |
williamdunne | If I want to start a business in the UK, I can pretty easily sell my product wherever the fuck I want. Banks are willing to work with me, that will be fine. If I was from random-istan not so much | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | or, alternatively, you discontinue support for israel and so the saudis no longer have what to fear so they dump your alliance. | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | no, you can't. | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | try this. | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | you can't sell in randomistan anymore than randomistan can sell in the uk. | [05:47] |
williamdunne | Well, various African shitholes don't help themselves and won't allow foreigners to open accounts | [05:47] |
williamdunne | But this is their own fault | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | but you see how this is entirely you calling things names ? | [05:47] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Well yes, thats what I'm talking about but the reverse | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | from their pov it's backwards. | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | "oh, that's because uk shithole won't help itself and won't allow foreigners to whatever" | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | why do you think the empire's been going to shit for a century ? | [05:48] |
williamdunne | Okay I see what you mean, but the UK needs it less | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | africa at least is more or less where it was in 1880. | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | the uk... god help it. no country in memory sunk as bad as they have. | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | germany's pretty much recovered, the uk will never recover. | [05:49] |
williamdunne | Probably, then again we are largely responsible for modern socialism, so what do you expect? | [05:49] |
williamdunne | London subsidises the rest of the country anyway | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | i dun expect, just putting things in perspective :) | [05:49] |
williamdunne | Well, that was more directed at an onlooker | [05:50] |
williamdunne | rather than you | [05:50] |
williamdunne | But yeah | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | yeah they do, lmao, which is outright ridiculous. all good things are supposed to flow TO the city, not from it. | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | and even WITH all that huge expenditure, scotland wants more and nearly seceded. | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | which was one of the lulziest things i saw that year. | [05:50] |
williamdunne | Precisely, I've been ranting far too often recently about how London should tell the rest of the UK to fuck off | [05:50] |
williamdunne | Yes | [05:50] |
williamdunne | I hoped they would do it | [05:50] |
williamdunne | Remove one of the parasites | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | well, it can't. because the one remaining hanging nail on the historical uk is the coupla nuke subs the us allows them to keep | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | and they're in glasgow. | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | so.. | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | just pay the dizzy sluts more :D | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | which you know... scotland's going to oh so judiciously use | [05:51] |
williamdunne | I would imagine that they'd be moved to Plymouth or Bristol or summin | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | btw, you familiar with the hilarious history of the scottish new world settlement thing ? | [05:51] |
williamdunne | Nope, shall I have a google? | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | by all means. | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | top keks in there. | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | "darien scheme" | [05:52] |
justJanne | Meh. | [05:55] |
justJanne | I hope the UK leaves the EU. | [05:55] |
justJanne | It would finally kill their economy | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | if they leave the eu they join the us. | [05:56] |
justJanne | As their economy right now is "European companies open an Ltd in London" | [05:56] |
williamdunne | "Returning to Edinburgh, the Company of Scotland for Trading to Africa raised £400,000 sterling in a few weeks (equivalent to roughly £46 million today),[b] with investments from every level of society, and totaling about a fifth of the wealth of Scotland.[7][8] It was, for Scotland, a massive amount of capital.[9]" | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | uk as an independent state is about as ludicrous today as the kingdom of scotland was in 1715 | [05:56] |
williamdunne | justJanne: London actually matters | [05:56] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Rest of the UK... not so much | [05:56] |
justJanne | That's noticeable. | [05:56] |
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williamdunne | But it likely won't matter nearly as much outside of EU | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | only matters because it's a relative tax heaven from the patently insane french (and german) communists. | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | 50% my foot. | [05:57] |
justJanne | Outside of London, the average waiting time for an ambulance is 4 hours. | [05:57] |
justJanne | Exactly. | [05:57] |
williamdunne | Currently if you set up a financial company in the EU, the standard procedure is London | [05:57] |
justJanne | Wait until the UK leaves, and their tax-haven-economy breaks down. | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne you know i pay 3% in romania. | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | also eu member. | [05:57] |
justJanne | Yes. | [05:57] |
justJanne | See? | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | there is NEVER going to be a way for the bs taxation of socialists to be enforced. ever. | [05:58] |
justJanne | The tax haven will move to Romania, or Liechtenstein. | [05:58] |
justJanne | But London will be piss poor. | [05:58] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Wrote another article about that the other day, not too good though | [05:58] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Yes, I agree if it leaves the EU | [05:58] |
williamdunne | Gibraltar might be good | [05:58] |
williamdunne | I could imagine a fair amount moving there | [05:58] |
justJanne | Gibraltar is UK, would also leave. | [05:58] |
mircea_popescu | might just as well move here. | [05:58] |
justJanne | I hope the UK leaves the EU. | [05:59] |
mircea_popescu | b,tmsro~ only charges 0.1% after all. | [05:59] |
justJanne | So the Brits see the shit Cameron is doing. | [05:59] |
williamdunne | justJanne: It could probably work its way in there either way, IoM for example is not EU dependent | [05:59] |
williamdunne | justJanne: We can choose between Cameron or Labour, at least Cameron doesn't want to remove our main advantage.. being a tax haven | [06:00] |
justJanne | Yup. FPTP sucks. | [06:00] |
williamdunne | Proportional representation sucks worse | [06:00] |
williamdunne | Thats how you get communists | [06:00] |
justJanne | And? | [06:00] |
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justJanne | You also get right-wingers, | [06:00] |
williamdunne | And I like the current availability of toilet paper | [06:01] |
justJanne | Liberals, and communists. | [06:01] |
justJanne | At the same time. | [06:01] |
williamdunne | My hand might be as soft as loo roll, but its not too hygienic | [06:01] |
justJanne | At least parliament debates are fun with all of them at once. | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | she has a point there. | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | that's how the shoe incidents happen | [06:01] |
williamdunne | Indeed | [06:01] |
williamdunne | lol | [06:01] |
justJanne | And more democratic, cause the government won't risk ignoring the 7% people who voted liberals, nor the 7% who voted communist, as if they'd ignore them, those parties would just start a fight in Parliament. | [06:02] |
williamdunne | The problem is the UK is mostly shit, as we have discussed. And the shit areas would be far more likely to vote Communist | [06:02] |
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williamdunne | justJanne: Ignoring is the right action | [06:02] |
justJanne | Nah. | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | depends which %. | [06:03] |
justJanne | Let liberals and communists fight in parliament. | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | 99% of the 1%s you can ignore. the other 1%... | [06:03] |
justJanne | The winner of the box fight gets to make a paw. | [06:03] |
justJanne | *law | [06:03] |
trinque | so you get an incomprehensible society | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne that there is an apparent need for new laws already invalidates the entire proposition of having a state in the first place. | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | either come up with a contract and stick to it, or go home. | [06:04] |
justJanne | mircea_popescu: not really — most of the laws are adapting existing situations. | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | im not going for these ARM bankruptcy mortgage deals. | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [06:04] |
justJanne | Yes? | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | either you have the whole contract written down, or i'm not signing. | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | and you don't get to have a state. | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | no parliament has the authority to make new law. ever. | [06:04] |
justJanne | Again, if you want, you can move out. | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | no, you move out. | [06:05] |
justJanne | Unless the majority is for a law. | [06:05] |
williamdunne | If you don't move out of Germany I will rape you | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | i don't care if it's unanimity. | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | you're taking your stupid shit to somewhere not near me. | [06:05] |
justJanne | Then the minority can decide if they want to move out or accept it. | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | mnope. | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | the majority can make sense or get lost. | [06:05] |
justJanne | So start a rebellion. | [06:05] |
williamdunne | In which case you get shot | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | and here we are. | [06:06] |
justJanne | We'll see how it works out. Hint: it won't. | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | i've been in open rebellion for years now. | [06:06] |
justJanne | Meh. | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | works just fine., | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | and if it doesn't, fuckall and i dun care. | [06:06] |
justJanne | Open rebellion? | [06:06] |
justJanne | So, you don't pay taxes or anything? | [06:06] |
williamdunne | Public in other words | [06:06] |
justJanne | Or do you support the parliament that, according to you, never should make new laws? | [06:06] |
williamdunne | He pays taxes to the most serene republic IIRC | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ < start there. | [06:06] |
williamdunne | +1 | [06:07] |
williamdunne | And then GPG contracts | [06:07] |
williamdunne | Kinda explains the no-laws thing | [06:07] |
williamdunne | http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ | [06:08] |
justJanne | Ah, that kind of "I question your authority" letter. | [06:08] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway : i, personally, pay no taxes. agents i own pay taxes in the jurisdictions i've incorporated them in, as you'd expect. | [06:08] |
mircea_popescu | which is what the deal is. | [06:08] |
mircea_popescu | and if the deal changes, they dissolve an' that's that. | [06:08] |
justJanne | Ah. | [06:08] |
justJanne | So, are you using roads? Water supply? | [06:09] |
williamdunne | Pisses in rivers | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | i am buying access to anything i feel like. | [06:09] |
justJanne | Do you use any public roads? | [06:09] |
justJanne | I ask again. | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | certainly. | [06:10] |
justJanne | Then you are committing theft. | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | according to whom ? | [06:10] |
justJanne | As you stated before you aren't paying for them. | [06:10] |
williamdunne | Retard | [06:10] |
williamdunne | lol | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | are you commiting theft when those volunteer firemen come put your hair out ? | [06:10] |
justJanne | No. | [06:10] |
williamdunne | "Who will build the roads!11" | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | but you were extolling the virtues of not paying for their work a moment ago. | [06:10] |
justJanne | But the roads in the country you live in are for you to use, in return you pay taxes. | [06:10] |
williamdunne | If private companies can't build roads, they shouldn't exist | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | i don't recall signing this deal. | [06:11] |
williamdunne | The state removed the market for them | [06:11] |
justJanne | Ofc private companies can build roads. | [06:11] |
justJanne | They do all the time. | [06:11] |
williamdunne | Ok, well state enforced monopoly doesn't justify theft, no more than my ejaculate justifies rape | [06:11] |
mircea_popescu | the notion that some govt owns the roads, seriously... | [06:11] |
justJanne | A danish private company just builds a tunnel to Germany right now. | [06:11] |
mircea_popescu | listen, is merkel paying you for using the public space ? | [06:11] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Right, this is the point. We didn't choose for Gov to build roads and would pay tolls if owned by private companies | [06:12] |
justJanne | See? | [06:12] |
williamdunne | Well, I would | [06:12] |
justJanne | Taxes are just tolls, too. | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [06:12] |
williamdunne | No, they aren't | [06:12] |
justJanne | Yes. | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | GOTTA SIGN A DEAL!11 | [06:12] |
justJanne | No. | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | you don't get to foist some random "law" on me. | [06:12] |
justJanne | There are implicit deals. | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | you come up with a deal, if i agree you get away with it. | [06:12] |
justJanne | Like ToS. | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | no such thing. | [06:12] |
williamdunne | I click "I agree to the ToS" | [06:13] |
justJanne | Not always. | [06:13] |
williamdunne | I don't click "I agree to give up 40% of my income" | [06:13] |
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mircea_popescu | there.is.no.such.thing.as."implicit".deals. | [06:13] |
justJanne | Did you click "I agree to Freenode"'s ToS, ever? | [06:13] |
williamdunne | I drive onto a tollroad, pay them for that | [06:13] |
justJanne | And still you are subject to them. | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne listen, you agree women that dress sluttily should be fucked byu whoever feels like ? | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | because hey, implicit deal. | [06:13] |
williamdunne | ^+1 | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | they don't want the cock, they shouldn't have clicked the short skirt tos. | [06:13] |
justJanne | Oh, THAT argument again. | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | we had it befoar ? | [06:14] |
justJanne | Your argument is retarded. | [06:14] |
williamdunne | Comparing freenode to government is a little ridiculous, don't you think? | [06:14] |
justJanne | Please try to find another one. | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | looky : there are no implicit deals. ever. | [06:14] |
justJanne | williamdunne: not really. | [06:14] |
williamdunne | justJanne: yes, really | [06:14] |
justJanne | How? | [06:14] |
williamdunne | Freenode asks for nothing from me | [06:14] |
justJanne | Yet. | [06:14] |
williamdunne | And if they do I will move | [06:15] |
williamdunne | If the deal changes.. | [06:15] |
justJanne | See? | [06:15] |
williamdunne | But moving from freenode is a click | [06:15] |
williamdunne | Not a flight, not leaving family etc | [06:15] |
justJanne | Same with countries. If the deal changes, you can move. | [06:15] |
williamdunne | These two things are not the same | [06:15] |
justJanne | Moving from Freenode isn't easy either. | [06:15] |
williamdunne | Yes it is | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | whoever changes the deal moves. | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | not he who stayed true. | [06:15] |
justJanne | You have to convince all your peers to move, too | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | government wants to change the rules, IT HAS TO MOVE. | [06:15] |
justJanne | All your friends, channels, etc. | [06:16] |
justJanne | Or leave them behind. | [06:16] |
williamdunne | I have to convince people to make some clicks, not hard if freenode implements a tax | [06:16] |
justJanne | depends. | [06:16] |
justJanne | Look at whatsapp. | [06:16] |
justJanne | They introduced a "tax" | [06:16] |
justJanne | And people still stayed there. | [06:16] |
justJanne | It's a similar situation. | [06:16] |
williamdunne | Very different userbase | [06:17] |
trinque | the fuck whatsapp is a government now | [06:17] |
trinque | stahhhhhp | [06:17] |
williamdunne | Apparently | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | the fact that someone did something stupid does not make the stupid thing right. | [06:17] |
justJanne | You want governments to sign contracts with all citizen, what's more realistic? | [06:17] |
williamdunne | Apparently moving IRC servers and tos are equivalent to the violent rule of gov | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | and what "the people" do or don't do is no basis for either law or sense. | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne it's not a matter of "realistic" | [06:17] |
justJanne | It is the only basis. | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | according to whom ? | [06:17] |
justJanne | According to every not-retarded politician, ever? | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | the only realistic thing is to eat raw meat and dress in dead children. | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | nutty bs. who ever asked any politician anything for crying out loud. | [06:18] |
justJanne | All politicians who said the opposite ended up as dictators. | [06:18] |
williamdunne | mm kinda | [06:18] |
williamdunne | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/98/91/41/989141191ba1fcd499973dc4fec66f10.jpg | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | what are you, going through the non sequitur book in order ? | [06:18] |
justJanne | -.- | [06:18] |
justJanne | Guys, please take some college courses in economy, politics, and philosophy. | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | "ima call anyone that doesn't promote socialism a dictator and then say that not being socialist makes dictators" | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | sure, it does. well done. | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | might as well have the same argument about believing in christ and move to 1555 to be a nun. | [06:19] |
williamdunne | I want no leaders = dictator | [06:19] |
justJanne | It's hard to argue with you when you ask the same questions over and over again, and just goalpost all he time | [06:19] |
davout | justJanne: you sure have lots of stamina points | [06:19] |
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williamdunne | davout: she's burning mana for the energy regen spell | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne the reason it is hard to argue is because the list of places where your ideas fail is about eighteen entries long by now, and you're not directly interested in examining the holes and fixing your head, but instead would prefer us to somehow accept the nonsense. | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | try the other tack, it'll go a lot easier. | [06:20] |
justJanne | There are holes, but the result still works better than any alternative. | [06:21] |
justJanne | Again, I have no issue with your system. | [06:21] |
justJanne | If you want, you can try it as a state. | [06:21] |
justJanne | Declare independency, make your own laws. | [06:21] |
williamdunne | We're already doing so | [06:21] |
williamdunne | *Have done | [06:21] |
williamdunne | Well | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | this is kinda old by now, but yes. | [06:21] |
justJanne | We'll see in 30 years how it ends. | [06:21] |
williamdunne | I say we, I'm not involved | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | if there's still a germany in 30 years, it may see how itshould behave and copy us, yes. | [06:21] |
williamdunne | justJanne: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt | [06:22] |
mircea_popescu | if there isn't, a well. you're lucky enough to have come in early. | [06:22] |
justJanne | In other news, | [06:22] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Declaration of sovereignty | [06:22] |
justJanne | Denmark stopped printing cash last week. | [06:22] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne quick : what's the difference between "Declaration of sovereignty" and "Declaration of independence" ? | [06:22] |
justJanne | From 2017 on, Denmark plans to do everything via digital money transfers. | [06:22] |
trinque | where's danielpbarron, it's the mark of the beast | [06:22] |
justJanne | No matter how, or using what currency. | [06:22] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: No clue, tbh | [06:22] |
mircea_popescu | the latter recognises the sovereignty of the entity it secedes from. the former does not. | [06:23] |
williamdunne | Ah, well I prefer the former in this case then | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | which is how it got to be htere. | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne you know i use cash almost exclusively ? | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | funny to do here, too, a brick is worth like 800 bucks or so. | [06:24] |
davout | justJanne: btw, how did you end up here? | [06:24] |
mircea_popescu | hn | [06:24] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Wondered, can you not get a lot more for your money if you pay with USD? Or would that get you shot? | [06:25] |
justJanne | davout: discussion about RSA, tbh. | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne official dollar is 8.6 pesos, unoficcial like 13. | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | amusingly enough, they pay like 10% less for 20 dollar bills. only want 100s. | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | which iirc don't even exist in the us. | [06:25] |
williamdunne | Wait what? | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [06:26] |
williamdunne | Are they official mintage or..? | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | yup. | [06:26] |
williamdunne | Sorta like the £1,000,000 note in the UK I guess | [06:26] |
justJanne | mircea_popescu: in Denmark, almost all transfers are digital anyway. As the official system is cheaper, faster, and easier than bitcoin even. | [06:26] |
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mircea_popescu | and reported. i would never use it. | [06:26] |
williamdunne | justJanne: well ofc | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo forcing a point. | [06:27] |
williamdunne | justJanne: bitcoin isn't that cheap or fast | [06:27] |
williamdunne | Well, it is currently pretty cheap and fast | [06:27] |
williamdunne | But it shouldn't be compared to centralized systems | [06:27] |
mircea_popescu | the idea that i'd allow a third party to look into my accounts... what the fuck is this, the future ? | [06:27] |
williamdunne | Thats just the derpery of governments | [06:27] |
BingoBoingo | It prolly won't bee too long before they bring back 100,000 bills with the Woodrow Wilson and everything | [06:27] |
justJanne | They aren't really centralized either. | [06:27] |
justJanne | More like a web of hundreds of central points | [06:27] |
mircea_popescu | that's centralized. | [06:28] |
justJanne | While bitcoin has millions of nodes. | [06:28] |
williamdunne | Central bank decentralized now? | [06:28] |
justJanne | Denmark has no digital central bank — the money flows from node to node. | [06:28] |
trinque | the point is the fucking records | [06:28] |
justJanne | I can send money to another merchant without it ever touching a bank | [06:28] |
trinque | not how many buildings they have | [06:28] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think you understand what centralized-decentralized mean. | [06:28] |
justJanne | Just because my money is only a cryptographic signature on my credit card. | [06:29] |
williamdunne | justJanne: How is current issuance handled then? Banks trusted to issue their authorised balance? | [06:29] |
williamdunne | I know in the UK it works with central bank reserve/payment accounts | [06:29] |
williamdunne | Which all settlement systems are built on top of | [06:29] |
justJanne | Kinda. | [06:29] |
justJanne | The thing is, the reason why German debit cards don't work in any other place, | [06:30] |
williamdunne | Just another meta layer | [06:30] |
justJanne | Is because they store the money as a cryptographically signed transaction history on the card. | [06:30] |
trinque | how about less this bullshit and more on the definition of centralized vs decentralized | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | im really curious what'll come of this. | [06:31] |
mircea_popescu | clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ? | [06:31] |
trinque | been all day | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | what is it, 1k by now ? | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | 545. nevertheless a record i think ? | [06:32] |
williamdunne | From the frequency of messages don't think she even read the GPG contracts etc, let alone historical logs | [06:33] |
justJanne | Hmm. | [06:34] |
justJanne | I wonder how much calculation power it would take to break 4096-bit RSA. | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne skimming, it's how intelligent kids end up coping with school. | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | horrible habit, but what are yo ugoing to do. | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | can't shoot the retards amirite. | [06:35] |
williamdunne | I've been trying to break that habit, think I'm about there | [06:35] |
justJanne | I mean, a startup in my city sells FPGA clusters that can be used for that (or for crypto mining), and the NSA bought 256 clusters, each should be enough to break AES256 in 2 weeks. | [06:35] |
trinque | we're not gonna get a definition of centralized/decentralized | [06:35] |
justJanne | decentralized is a system where all nodes are equal. | [06:36] |
williamdunne | Too much effort for her to google | [06:36] |
williamdunne | .. | [06:36] |
justJanne | It's as easy as that. | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | it's not, no. | [06:36] |
justJanne | Yes, it is. | [06:36] |
williamdunne | Are all nodes in bitcoin equal? News to me | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne da fuck do you mean "yes it is". | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | what do you take yourself for, some sort of equal or something ? | [06:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36164 @ 0.00027707 = 10.02 BTC [-] | [06:37] |
justJanne | Any homogenous graph is decentralized. | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | that's true for graphs. | [06:37] |
justJanne | Every web of nodes is just a graph. | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | but in graph theory, decentralized is a term of art. | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | no, it's not. because the map is not the territory. | [06:37] |
justJanne | A web of nodes is a graph, as a graph, per definition, is just a set of nodes, and a set of relations between nodes. | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | do you understand what "the map is not the territory" means ? | [06:38] |
trinque | what's the command structure of the society within which your decentralized banks operate? | [06:38] |
justJanne | The banks aren't either fully centralized, nor fully decentralized. Anyone can just open a bank, the question is if other banks will accept money from your customers as payment, as they don't know if they can trust your cryptographic signature. | [06:39] |
trinque | the fuck is this where they're both or neither | [06:39] |
* | assbot gives voice to punkman | [06:40] |
williamdunne | "anyone can just open a bank" < or rly? | [06:40] |
justJanne | It's the same as minimum and smallest, two completely different definitions. | [06:40] |
mircea_popescu | so what is "Danmarks Nationalbank" then ? | [06:41] |
justJanne | I'm currently talking about northern Germany, as I don't know the internals of Denmark, it's the same, though. | [06:41] |
justJanne | There is a difference between the printed money and and the way digital money works. | [06:41] |
trinque | the whole EU sounds like what they do in portland tech companies | [06:41] |
trinque | where everyone smiles and no one's like, your boss, man | [06:42] |
justJanne | GeldKarte is one example. | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | you don't know but it's the same ? | [06:42] |
justJanne | Person A can pay person B, person B can pay person C | [06:42] |
trinque | the banks are totally decentralized because they've got various sub-departments of some huge central authority | [06:42] |
justJanne | All this while they are completely offline. | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | trinque depends who's describing it ya know ? | [06:42] |
justJanne | Okay, again, please listen. | [06:42] |
trinque | of course | [06:42] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: ^ | [06:42] |
justJanne | Imagine we have 3 people, completely offline. | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | okay. | [06:43] |
justJanne | A pays person B money. | [06:43] |
justJanne | Person B pays person C money. | [06:43] |
justJanne | (All through GeldKarte) | [06:43] |
mircea_popescu | which is offline throughout. | [06:43] |
justJanne | yes. | [06:43] |
mircea_popescu | go on. | [06:43] |
justJanne | Person C now goes online and can spend the money. | [06:43] |
mircea_popescu | what happens in the following scenario : | [06:43] |
justJanne | You can transfer money offline, and it is valid. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | b has no money. a gives him 100 moneys. b sends 100 money to C and 100 money to D. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | can c and d each now spend 100 ? | [06:44] |
justJanne | No. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | because ? | [06:44] |
justJanne | They can't spend anything, as the last two statements are invalid. | [06:44] |
justJanne | You have at the beginning 0 money. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | show, don't tell. | [06:44] |
williamdunne | Thats pretty impractical | [06:45] |
justJanne | Your card stores a list of cryptographically signed money from the sender. | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne yes. so i copy that list and send money to 500 people | [06:45] |
justJanne | So, I send you money, by sending you a cryptographically signed info "I sent you n money" | [06:45] |
justJanne | You can't. | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | because why not ? | [06:45] |
justJanne | Copying is prevented through unique salts for each transaction. | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | derp. | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | if i can send money to either a or b | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | then necessarily i can send to both. so i do. what now. | [06:46] |
punkman | justJanne: I mean, a startup in my city sells FPGA clusters that can be used for that (or for crypto mining), and the NSA bought 256 clusters, each should be enough to break AES256 in 2 weeks. << lolwut | [06:46] |
justJanne | Then the last person receiving it won't be able to use it. | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | i'll tell you what now : whoever gets first online spends it. | [06:46] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Do you have a paper or something for this? | [06:46] |
punkman | GeldKarte > "This system is protected against double-spending by not allowing the user to read the keys from their smart card." | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | the other fails, the bank gets alerted that this was copied and the police shows up | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | denmark has got a stupid, centralist bitcoin. | [06:46] |
justJanne | Yup. | [06:47] |
justJanne | It existed 10 years before bitcoin, though. | [06:47] |
williamdunne | Oh | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | it will never work. the only reason its not being raped wide open is because atm nobody gives a shit about swine country. | [06:47] |
williamdunne | Nevermind, I'll ignore the paper that is derpy | [06:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.0002832 = 19.555 BTC [+] {2} | [06:47] |
williamdunne | Can you use this card for luxury purchases? | [06:47] |
punkman | " Funds cannot move freely within the system. They can move from a bank account (or cash) to a Geldkarte. From there, they can only be moved to a merchant's card and from the merchant's card, they can only go to the merchant's bank account." | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | punkman because this can be done now. | [06:47] |
justJanne | that's an old article then. | [06:47] |
williamdunne | i.e cars, jewellery etc | [06:47] |
justJanne | Or it was a different system. | [06:48] |
justJanne | Because we have so many different debit card companies >_> | [06:48] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne odds are you just had a superificial understanding of it. | [06:48] |
williamdunne | Which surely rely on banks | [06:48] |
justJanne | GeldKarte, EC Karte, etc. | [06:48] |
justJanne | so, williamdunne, your question: | [06:49] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, denmark is probably the best example of usistan. "The worlds largest public sector (30% of the entire workforce on a full-time basis) is financed by the world's highest taxes." | [06:49] |
justJanne | The company is SciEngines GmbH (they have a Wikipedia article) | [06:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00028957 = 8.2093 BTC [+] | [06:49] |
trinque | man... justJanne you have recalibrated me for tolerating canadians | [06:50] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [06:50] |
justJanne | mircea_popescu: the Nordics still pay about the same taxes as the US, but you get free healthcare, free college, welfare, and an almost unregulated market. | [06:51] |
justJanne | You pay like 6% more. | [06:51] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne how much have you travelled ? outside of the eu i mean | [06:51] |
justJanne | Definitely worth it. | [06:51] |
justJanne | I haven't travelled outside EU yet. Never had the money to do so. | [06:51] |
justJanne | Parents aren't exactly rich xD | [06:51] |
mircea_popescu | aha. well the thing is, the books you read are kinda deliberately written so as to make you think you're in the best possible place. | [06:52] |
mircea_popescu | what are you doing this summer ? | [06:52] |
justJanne | (And no, without free college I couldn't go to university.) | [06:52] |
justJanne | This summer? I'll work on several open source projects, like the IRC client I use right now. | [06:52] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes trinque hey lot, if i buy her plane tickets do you show her portland ? a week or so ? | [06:53] |
mircea_popescu | i don't imagine she takes up much space. | [06:53] |
trinque | ha sure why not | [06:53] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne you wanna go ? | [06:53] |
justJanne | Nah thanks, don't wanna go into a country where anyone can be declared terrorist and stripped of their rights | [06:54] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Don't need university | [06:54] |
trinque | portland would be too capitalist for her | [06:54] |
justJanne | (Yes, the laws in Germany apply to all "people", not just citizens) | [06:54] |
trinque | there should be a lot less citizens. | [06:54] |
justJanne | Already happening. | [06:55] |
justJanne | Germany has a child per family rate of 1.4 | [06:55] |
mircea_popescu | interesting. | [06:55] |
justJanne | So far below the replacement rate of 2.25 | [06:55] |
justJanne | All the Nordics have 1.4, too | [06:55] |
mircea_popescu | clearly the system works and is sustainable. | [06:55] |
justJanne | Automatically shrinking the population to a point where it is sustainable. | [06:55] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps. | [06:56] |
williamdunne | Yes, plenty of children to pay for their communist parents | [06:56] |
trinque | I don't buy it | [06:56] |
mircea_popescu | or to a point where the muslims can just come in and rape you stupid lot into shape., | [06:56] |
mircea_popescu | either way | [06:56] |
justJanne | They are already here. | [06:58] |
justJanne | 19% of the population are foreigners and migrants | [06:58] |
mircea_popescu | how's the female circumcision factor ? | [06:59] |
justJanne | Approx 0 | [07:00] |
justJanne | You don't get it without a degree and a guarantee for a job, and the circumcised people rarely have the qualifications anyway | [07:00] |
justJanne | *don't get in | [07:00] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/female-circumcision-now-a-growing-problem-in-germany/2013/02/06/ | [07:01] |
mircea_popescu | Germany is home to at least 24,000 women from African countries who've undergone female circumcision (as reported by DW in 2004) | [07:01] |
mircea_popescu | prolly 100k by now ? | [07:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55299 @ 0.00028957 = 16.0129 BTC [+] | [07:02] |
chetty | ouch, you makes me squirm | [07:02] |
justJanne | Not really. | [07:02] |
justJanne | Almost no immigration since then. | [07:02] |
justJanne | The largest wave of immigration was in the 70s and 80s | [07:02] |
justJanne | So, 24 thousand immigrants are mutilated. | [07:02] |
justJanne | And we pay them free healthcare to fix it. | [07:03] |
williamdunne | How do you fix it? | [07:03] |
mircea_popescu | o you're gonna fix it ? | [07:03] |
mircea_popescu | damn i like the nordic model more and more | [07:03] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne shut up they're fixing it. | [07:03] |
justJanne | That's no a problem. | [07:03] |
williamdunne | Sorry Charles about hacking your head off, I'll stitch it back on in just a jiffy! Universal healthcare ftw | [07:03] |
mircea_popescu | chetty imagine, that's like a quarter ton of bits ? | [07:03] |
justJanne | Ofc it is shit. | [07:04] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne maybe it's good for you, how do you know ? | [07:04] |
mircea_popescu | i thought all people should have equal chances. | [07:04] |
justJanne | But again, those are immigrants — they moved here decades after they were mutilated. | [07:04] |
mircea_popescu | and you know this the same way it was 0, right ? | [07:04] |
justJanne | No. | [07:04] |
justJanne | But I know this because your quote and your article say it. | [07:04] |
justJanne | People, immigrants, from African countries, who got mutilated and then moved here | [07:05] |
justJanne | So no, it's not a German issue. We still try to do our best to fix the mistakes someone else did. | [07:05] |
davout | the logs are soon going to be harder to catch up on than the very fucking blockchain | [07:06] |
williamdunne | Have you looked at name-first log synchronization? | [07:06] |
mircea_popescu | davout we just made larger logblocks, how you like it ? | [07:06] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne didn't you say all people should be equal ? | [07:06] |
davout | well, adoption is on the rise, so what can i say | [07:06] |
mircea_popescu | how are these migrants any worse than you ? | [07:06] |
mircea_popescu | maybe you should try the mutilation thing. | [07:06] |
williamdunne | Socialism to me does seem a lot like the "no kid left behind" school bullshit that appeals to the lowest common denominator and lowers the median | [07:07] |
justJanne | You got it wrong. | [07:07] |
mircea_popescu | in any case the poor girls without the bits can't grow them back up, so in order for everyone to have equal chances at an orgasm, off with your clit! | [07:07] |
justJanne | It lowers the average, but increases the median | [07:08] |
mircea_popescu | and because the government can alter the deal, here, it's a new law now. | [07:08] |
mircea_popescu | enjoy socialism! | [07:08] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Median is average | [07:08] |
justJanne | No. | [07:08] |
justJanne | Average is the sum divided by the amount. | [07:08] |
mircea_popescu | she has a point. it does lower the average but increase the median | [07:08] |
mircea_popescu | which is EXACTLY what the problem is. | [07:08] |
justJanne | Median is the middle person. | [07:08] |
mircea_popescu | places with high medians are places not worth living in. | [07:08] |
justJanne | That's what you think. | [07:09] |
mircea_popescu | the entire point of life is diferentiation from the median. | [07:09] |
mircea_popescu | of course it is, that's why i say it. | [07:09] |
justJanne | I think places with low median aren't worth living in. | [07:09] |
williamdunne | http://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm | [07:09] |
mircea_popescu | the difference being that this isn't what you think, | [07:09] |
mircea_popescu | just what you've been told to think. | [07:09] |
justJanne | williamdunne: please take stochastics 101 at a university, | [07:10] |
justJanne | You'll know what mean and average are. | [07:10] |
mircea_popescu | stochastics 101 o.O ?! | [07:10] |
mircea_popescu | this actually is a thing ?! | [07:10] |
williamdunne | Sounds like a musician "Stoch" | [07:10] |
justJanne | Introduction into stochastic, yeah. | [07:10] |
williamdunne | And he's German most likely | [07:10] |
williamdunne | So it fits | [07:10] |
justJanne | Theoretical statistics. | [07:11] |
mircea_popescu | but this in physics ? as in, stochastics mechanics ? | [07:11] |
mircea_popescu | oh. | [07:11] |
justJanne | No. | [07:11] |
williamdunne | "Did you see Stoch's latest concert? It was Stochastic!" | [07:11] |
mircea_popescu | so statistics 101 ? | [07:11] |
justJanne | No. | [07:11] |
justJanne | Statistics is different. | [07:11] |
mircea_popescu | can you link the course ? | [07:11] |
justJanne | I'm on mobile, sadly no. | [07:11] |
justJanne | Also, it would be in German anyway. | [07:11] |
mircea_popescu | !s kiel | [07:12] |
assbot | 0 results for 'kiel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kiel | [07:12] |
mircea_popescu | you may not speak french, but i do read german nooblet. | [07:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.math.uni-kiel.de/numerik/kallsen/lehre/ss-2015/sem-sto-finmath/sem-sto-finmath.php this ? | [07:12] |
justJanne | Nah. | [07:13] |
justJanne | That's a master module. | [07:13] |
mircea_popescu | ikr ? | [07:13] |
justJanne | Uni Köln has a nice transcript. | [07:13] |
justJanne | The mathematicians in Kiel still refuse to use calculators or computers. | [07:13] |
mircea_popescu | i thought you went to kiel. | [07:13] |
justJanne | I do. | [07:13] |
justJanne | But Kiel's mathematicians refuse to put anything on the public web. | [07:14] |
justJanne | You can get it if you are in their intranet, though. | [07:14] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [07:14] |
williamdunne | setup a proxy to the intranet | [07:14] |
justJanne | They have. | [07:14] |
williamdunne | No a public one | [07:14] |
justJanne | Nope. | [07:14] |
mircea_popescu | what, you want her to end up in aaron schwartz's cell ? | [07:15] |
justJanne | As access to the intranet is bound through X.509 to a user account | [07:15] |
williamdunne | A university dedicate to not sharing information, not very socialist of them | [07:15] |
justJanne | Anyway, we are going way off topic. | [07:15] |
williamdunne | Yes, we should be discussing bitcoin assets | [07:15] |
davout | justJanne: for like 12 hours now... | [07:16] |
justJanne | Not that far. | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | speaking of the broke ass pki, http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/a-look-at-the-gnutls-x-509-verification-code-flaw/ | [07:16] |
justJanne | Anyway, why are we still arguing? I said I have no issue with you trying to build your state system, I just don't believe it will last, and you guys spending 14h trying to convince me the system I like most is shit. | [07:17] |
mircea_popescu | the problem isn't that we're going "off topic", as there isn't a topic. the problem is that you very badly suck at most verbal and cognitive tasks. but hopefully we've run the gamut by now. | [07:18] |
chetty | I havent read the whole log but I am curious, is anyone trying to convince, or just stating facts? | [07:18] |
justJanne | Mostly stating facts. | [07:18] |
davout | *ahem* | [07:18] |
justJanne | Mostly. | [07:19] |
mircea_popescu | most of the discussion flows as "comonly held belief 1" "why" "because 2" "why" "because 3" why" "because 1.1" etc | [07:19] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, nothing a summer's worth of lurk moar can't fix. | [07:19] |
justJanne | The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions. | [07:19] |
williamdunne | Thats what happens when you talk to a group of people | [07:20] |
mircea_popescu | we suck at being a cult. | [07:20] |
justJanne | And combined, these people's opinions would cancel each other our. | [07:20] |
justJanne | *out | [07:20] |
mircea_popescu | is it ? | [07:20] |
williamdunne | Ey? | [07:20] |
justJanne | Yes. | [07:20] |
trinque | we are all different forces on different vectors and we cancel out? | [07:21] |
justJanne | Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for the decisions of their ancestors, they can even be punished for them. | [07:21] |
justJanne | Some others said taxes are bad, because you personally aren't responsible for them. | [07:21] |
justJanne | Combined, the statements are nuts. | [07:21] |
williamdunne | Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for the decisions of their ancestors, they can even be punished for them. <<< who actually said this, I'm curious about the justification | [07:22] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne the impression you get comes from you observing what's being said with too broad a brush. | [07:22] |
justJanne | williamdunne: it was used as defense against my argument that "children should have equal chances, no matter if their parents are poor or rich" | [07:23] |
mircea_popescu | for instance, i didn't say people should be punished for what ancestors did. you conflated two statements : 1) that you can't expect me to pay for the poor behaviour of one's ancestors and 2) that i punish people by what they are rather than they wish to be. | [07:23] |
williamdunne | What was the actual answer, because not giving them equal chances is very different | [07:23] |
justJanne | Because I said "people aren't responsible for the actions of their ancestors" | [07:23] |
mircea_popescu | these have precise and rather subtle meanings, is all. | [07:23] |
justJanne | So, people should be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors. | [07:24] |
williamdunne | Yeah thats what I expected | [07:24] |
williamdunne | No | [07:24] |
mircea_popescu | there's a difference between punishment and responsibility. | [07:24] |
justJanne | But they shouldn't. | [07:24] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, the situation where you're poor because daddy was a drunk is neither your punishment nor your responsibility. | [07:24] |
mircea_popescu | it is, merely, YOUR SITUATION. | [07:24] |
mircea_popescu | improve it and that's that. | [07:24] |
williamdunne | We're not all equal, but I don't want to make it worse for you | [07:24] |
justJanne | Okay, so, mircea_popescu, taxes are the same | [07:24] |
mircea_popescu | the same needs two operands. | [07:24] |
justJanne | The situation that you live in a place with taxes is neither your punishment nor you'd responsibility. | [07:25] |
justJanne | It is, merely, Your situation. | [07:25] |
williamdunne | Yes it is | [07:25] |
mircea_popescu | i don't live in a place owned by someone else. | [07:25] |
williamdunne | Its a punishment | [07:25] |
williamdunne | Its an active force | [07:25] |
justJanne | How so? | [07:25] |
mircea_popescu | what do you mean "how" ? | [07:25] |
williamdunne | If you don't pay someone rapes you | [07:25] |
justJanne | Where is the difference between having to pay the debts of your parents | [07:25] |
williamdunne | If you're poor.. you can't do something, but nothing actually happens | [07:25] |
justJanne | And having to pay taxes. | [07:25] |
williamdunne | Who says you pay your parents debt? | [07:25] |
mircea_popescu | the debts of your parents is a novel development, wasn't discussed before. | [07:25] |
justJanne | It is part of the poor debate. | [07:26] |
mircea_popescu | apparently it's not. | [07:26] |
williamdunne | No it isn't, no one should inherit debt | [07:26] |
justJanne | May those debts be monetary, or indirect. | [07:26] |
mircea_popescu | you don't get to call any negative number "a debt" | [07:26] |
justJanne | williamdunne: and what is with indirect debt? | [07:26] |
mircea_popescu | the word has a specific meaning. | [07:26] |
williamdunne | What are we calling indirect debt? | [07:26] |
justJanne | When your parents are so piss poor you have to work as a child to not starve. | [07:27] |
williamdunne | Thats a lack of a think | [07:27] |
williamdunne | Debt is a thing you have | [07:27] |
williamdunne | Not a lack of a thing | [07:27] |
justJanne | Debt is a responsibility of having to pay, yes. | [07:27] |
justJanne | But for the person, it is the same. | [07:27] |
williamdunne | No, it isn't | [07:28] |
mircea_popescu | so a bottle and a penis are, for a flatworm, "the same" | [07:28] |
mircea_popescu | doesn't mean you can run around sticking bottles up your ass. | [07:28] |
justJanne | Okay, back then. | [07:28] |
chetty | [07:28] | |
justJanne | If you think so. | [07:28] |
justJanne | Thing is, of you have to work and can't go to school, | [07:28] |
justJanne | You lose something due to the bad choices of your parents. | [07:28] |
williamdunne | Did me good | [07:29] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne you lose something, gain something else. | [07:29] |
justJanne | williamdunne: it shows. It shows very much. | [07:29] |
mircea_popescu | that's the way it goes. if you have children, you lose your juvenile figure. | [07:29] |
mircea_popescu | if you don't, you don't have children. | [07:29] |
justJanne | It's not the same. | [07:29] |
justJanne | The question here is: | [07:29] |
justJanne | Why is inheriting debts different? | [07:29] |
justJanne | You said inheriting debts shouldn't be a thing. | [07:30] |
mircea_popescu | because debt flows from a contrat. | [07:30] |
mircea_popescu | and a contract can only be enforced by its parties. | [07:30] |
justJanne | But inheriting money is okay? | [07:30] |
williamdunne | Yes | [07:30] |
mircea_popescu | what problem do you see with it ? | [07:30] |
trinque | also a contract | [07:30] |
justJanne | And what about inheriting stocks? | [07:30] |
williamdunne | No one enforces inheritance, its not a contract | [07:30] |
williamdunne | give it away | [07:30] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Stocks with liability? | [07:30] |
mircea_popescu | stocks don't carry liability, nor have they ever. | [07:31] |
justJanne | Most stocks are a contract saying that you pay money, in return get a part of the profits and the power over a company. | [07:31] |
justJanne | But the contract is specifically signed to you. | [07:31] |
mircea_popescu | no. stocks are a contract saying that you PAID money, | [07:31] |
mircea_popescu | and forevermore get a share of the company. | [07:31] |
justJanne | Yes. | [07:31] |
williamdunne | derp on my part | [07:31] |
justJanne | But the contract is again bound to you. | [07:31] |
mircea_popescu | they are negotiable instruments, just like any other. | [07:31] |
justJanne | So, the question is, should inheriting these contracts be possible? | [07:32] |
mircea_popescu | the contract is not inherited. | [07:32] |
mircea_popescu | it is conveyed. | [07:32] |
justJanne | And if yes, why are they so different from debt contracts? | [07:32] |
williamdunne | Liability | [07:32] |
justJanne | And what about inverse debt? | [07:32] |
justJanne | You lend someone money. You die. | [07:33] |
* | mircea_popescu perceives the deep, faint marks of ancient saxon legal strictures in the girl's attempt. | [07:33] |
justJanne | Can your children force the person to pay? | [07:33] |
mircea_popescu | fascinating what cultural nationality turns out to be. | [07:33] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne depends how the contract was worded. | [07:33] |
mircea_popescu | is it assignable ? have you assigned it to them ? | [07:33] |
justJanne | So, then debt is only inheritable in some cases? | [07:33] |
mircea_popescu | debt is never inheritable. | [07:33] |
justJanne | This creates an issue with williamdunne's comment. | [07:34] |
justJanne | Because either contracts are inheritable, or they are not. | [07:34] |
williamdunne | justJanne: No it doesn't, you know I meant debt as if in the liability not the asset | [07:34] |
mircea_popescu | the fact that i convey a claim against you to him does not mean he inherited it from me. | [07:34] |
mircea_popescu | it merely means i conveyed it to him. | [07:34] |
justJanne | Debt as a liability and debt as an asset have to be treated the same. | [07:34] |
williamdunne | No, they don't | [07:34] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not even sure what that aims to mean. | [07:35] |
justJanne | So, again, | [07:35] |
justJanne | We have a contract between two parties. | [07:35] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [07:35] |
justJanne | One party can give the contract to another person, | [07:35] |
justJanne | But the other party is always bound to it? | [07:35] |
justJanne | That sounds very unfair. | [07:35] |
mircea_popescu | if the contract is so phrased, yes. | [07:35] |
mircea_popescu | hey, lex pacta. you can make a contract say whatever you wish it to say | [07:35] |
justJanne | No, you can't. | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | the counterpart being that you can never impose a contract on anyone. | [07:36] |
justJanne | If the contract is worded so that it provides and obvious disadvantage for one party, it is void. | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | well obviously i can. | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | not here. | [07:36] |
justJanne | In most of the world, yes. | [07:36] |
justJanne | For good reason. | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | irrelevant. | [07:36] |
justJanne | No. | [07:36] |
williamdunne | Yes. | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | in most of the world (defined as africa), females must have their bits cut off. | [07:37] |
trinque | dear god europe allows "it's not fair" to dissolve contracts? | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | so what of it. the most of the world can go hang. | [07:37] |
davout | cat freenode_#bitcoin-assets_2015051* | grep justJanne | wc -l | [07:37] |
justJanne | Just because the legal system of The most serene dictatorship was written by amateurs doesn't mean it's good. | [07:37] |
davout | 967 | [07:37] |
davout | oO | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | trinque german law, yes. | [07:37] |
justJanne | trinque: most European law, yes. | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne just because you think yourself equal to things you don't understand doesn't make 'em so :D | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | davout you got a bet ? | [07:38] |
justJanne | I took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm talking about ;P | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | tbh the best part was where she didn't wanna take a trip to the us because satan lives there. | [07:38] |
davout | mircea_popescu: howso? | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | readthelogs.pdf | [07:38] |
davout | i have, pls to link | [07:39] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138739 | [07:39] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 09:49:23; mircea_popescu: justJanne you wanna go ? | [07:39] |
mircea_popescu | amusingly enough, we agree. i don't visit the us for the exact same reasons. | [07:39] |
mircea_popescu | clearly those undergrad classes are paying off. | [07:40] |
justJanne | Yes, they do. | [07:40] |
davout | i was referring to "davout you got a bet ?" | [07:40] |
chetty | [07:40] | |
mircea_popescu | oh oh. i got that, too. | [07:40] |
* | davout puts ms office paperclip costume on | [07:40] |
davout | "DID YOU MEAN, 'A BED' ?" | [07:40] |
justJanne | Most other people would have fallen for your propagandistic claims. | [07:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26963 @ 0.00029017 = 7.8239 BTC [+] {2} | [07:40] |
* | williamdunne tips fedora | [07:41] |
mircea_popescu | davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138620 | [07:41] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 09:27:49; mircea_popescu: clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ? | [07:41] |
davout | oic | [07:42] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne wait wut ? | [07:42] |
davout | i kind of expected more tbh | [07:42] |
mircea_popescu | 1k's not bad. | [07:42] |
davout | yea, i probably suck at such estimates | [07:42] |
williamdunne | “Just to be clear, I’m not a professional ‘politician’. I’m just a german teenager who greatly values her intelligence and political fact over any silly idea conjured up some years ago. This being said, I am open to any and all criticism. | [07:43] |
williamdunne | ‘In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any popescu’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence and state-funded education system.’" | [07:43] |
davout | i have like less than half this for may | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | and, in a fascinating turn of what sexism really is, remember that one time when ben_vulpes had a friend over, about the same age, about the same ideas and i bit his head off ? | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | apparently it pays being female. | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne wait wut ? | [07:43] |
justJanne | The issue is that most women prefer social stability over the chance to get rich. | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | this is not an issue, for as long as they understand that this is ok for them and unpleasant for others. | [07:44] |
mircea_popescu | and they wear heels. | [07:44] |
justJanne | Most people here agree on this, though. | [07:44] |
mircea_popescu | this=? | [07:44] |
justJanne | The stuff most women prefer in general, | [07:44] |
mircea_popescu | dun make those statements, they're stupid things for stupid people. here, this, blah. | [07:44] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139014 | [07:45] |
williamdunne | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139030 | [07:45] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 10:34:24; justJanne: I took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm talking about ;P | [07:45] |
justJanne | Is preferred by most of society here. | [07:45] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 10:36:43; justJanne: Most other people would have fallen for your propagandistic claims. | [07:45] |
justJanne | Anyway, | [07:45] |
justJanne | Interestingly, you should read about the veil of ignorance. | [07:45] |
justJanne | It's a nice thought experiment. | [07:45] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne "most of society" that gets a voice, which is bored women. | [07:45] |
justJanne | And, interestingly, this thought experiment almost always ends in the Nordic model. | [07:45] |
justJanne | The thought experiment is: | [07:45] |
mircea_popescu | you seriously contemplate teh notion i'm not aware of "veil of ignorance" etc ? | [07:45] |
justJanne | Oh, cool. | [07:45] |
justJanne | So, assuming this experiment, how can you be for an anarchist society, | [07:46] |
justJanne | When you yourself might end up a piss poor person? | [07:46] |
mircea_popescu | you think i care ? | [07:46] |
williamdunne | I'm not familiar, give me a mo' | [07:46] |
justJanne | Okay: | [07:46] |
williamdunne | When you yourself might end up a piss poor person? << being well off isn't left to chance | [07:46] |
mircea_popescu | i built more fortunes thjan you had boyfriends to date | [07:46] |
mircea_popescu | and burned just as many. | [07:46] |
mircea_popescu | being poor is only a problem if you belong there. otherwise, it's like being dirty. | [07:47] |
mircea_popescu | washes right off. | [07:47] |
justJanne | How would you design a society, assuming you have to live in it later, you can be any person in it, it is random. | [07:47] |
mircea_popescu | i don't believe in this cultural warfare bs. | [07:47] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Everyone executed except the rich | [07:47] |
mircea_popescu | people are not "random", leaves in the wind at the mercy of 1984-esque government. | [07:47] |
justJanne | Of course most people end up designing a society where everyone has enough to live, but also has chance to become rich. | [07:47] |
mircea_popescu | you don't follow the important point. | [07:47] |
justJanne | Which is the Nordic model. | [07:47] |
mircea_popescu | again : people are not rootless, leaves in the wind of "society". | [07:48] |
mircea_popescu | to propose that you can randomly switch people around as if they were interchangeable parts is already to introduce socialism as a given | [07:49] |
mircea_popescu | socialism is not only not a given, it is the system of organised stupidity. | [07:49] |
mircea_popescu | and no matter what happens, you can't be me. maybe being you is still cool and worth being. maybe it isn't. | [07:49] |
mircea_popescu | if it isn't your'e fucked, because that's what you'll ever be. | [07:49] |
justJanne | The idea is to create a society where every person has an acceptable life. | [07:50] |
mircea_popescu | that idea is about on par with "i wonder if superman could beat batman" | [07:50] |
mircea_popescu | idle masturbation for the infantile mind. | [07:50] |
justJanne | The difference is, it works. | [07:50] |
mircea_popescu | like collodial silver works : | [07:51] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Thats actually becoming a film I think | [07:51] |
mircea_popescu | if you take the vouches of idiots seriously, it works, sure. | [07:51] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne im sure. | [07:51] |
justJanne | No. | [07:51] |
mircea_popescu | teh lady doth say no too much. | [07:51] |
williamdunne | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/ | [07:51] |
justJanne | Take for example my father, no money, piss poor. Would have had no money for studying. But also not able to work heavy work. | [07:52] |
justJanne | Thanks to free education, he studied law. | [07:52] |
williamdunne | justJanne: Don't mistake this for being a channel where everyone had rich parents | [07:52] |
justJanne | Without free education, he couldn't have ever afforded it. | [07:52] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne so he studied law and you still need the state to put you through college ? | [07:52] |
mircea_popescu | apparently with education he never got very far ? | [07:53] |
williamdunne | Too many lawyers, education diluted the market I'm guessing | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne nah, in germany being a lawyer is like being a clerk. | [07:53] |
justJanne | No, the issue is a different one. | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | they make jack shit. | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | none of that 10mn / year + benefits. | [07:53] |
williamdunne | Gender Studies a better option? | [07:53] |
justJanne | Also, there are different kinds of lawyers. | [07:54] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne socialism, so: everything an equally shitty option, but | [07:54] |
justJanne | There are also corporal lawyers working in companies writing legal terms for contracts all day long. | [07:54] |
mircea_popescu | "hey, be thankful for the little you get" and all that jazz. | [07:54] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne corporate. | [07:54] |
williamdunne | It’s not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the ‘right’ to education, the ‘right’ to health care, the ‘right’ to food and housing. That’s not freedom, that’s dependency. Those aren’t rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle. | [07:54] |
justJanne | He could have worked as legal attorney, | [07:54] |
justJanne | But he preferred the stable job in a company over the risk of having to depend on clients. | [07:55] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [07:55] |
mircea_popescu | well, don't you think he should be ashamed of himself, in front of you ? | [07:55] |
justJanne | Nah. | [07:55] |
mircea_popescu | other people's dads did a lot better, unlike his lazy ass. | [07:55] |
justJanne | He did the right thing. | [07:55] |
mircea_popescu | i'd hold him up to task. | [07:55] |
davout | aaand we broke 1000 | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | you wanna be ~my~ father, you shoulda done a shitload better than this stupid shit. | [07:56] |
williamdunne | Being risk averse isn't a good idea generally speaking, if you want to be succeeding at anything. | [07:56] |
justJanne | Being risk averse is a very stable solution, though. | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | i can't stand it in people, and especially not in men. imagine the unbearable conversation of someone who prefers the stability of bureaucratism and "not having to depend on clients" | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | aka im too lazy to do a good job. | [07:57] |
williamdunne | 'Conversation' | [07:57] |
justJanne | This is Germany. The place where people will wait at an empty crosswalk at 3am on Sunday. | [07:57] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne i'm just forcing a point. | [07:57] |
justJanne | Stability and safety über allies. | [07:57] |
justJanne | *alles | [07:57] |
mircea_popescu | the signs of a dead civilisation. | [07:58] |
mircea_popescu | you ever read nietzsche btw ? | [07:58] |
williamdunne | Safety is the precedent for anything dystopian | [07:58] |
justJanne | Ofc I did. | [07:58] |
mircea_popescu | since in her world sartre never happened, as didn't voltaire. | [07:58] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne so what do you make of it ? | [07:58] |
justJanne | Meh. | [07:59] |
mircea_popescu | care to be specific ? | [07:59] |
justJanne | I don't like most of it. | [07:59] |
mircea_popescu | you know, that's how rich men dump young girls ? "what did you think of the film" "meh" "specifically ?" "i just didn't like it" | [07:59] |
justJanne | But it was 3 years ago, and in school, so I don't remember much more except for getting in an argument with my teacher. | [07:59] |
mircea_popescu | the next thing coming is "you know, i don't think we should be seeing each other anymore" | [07:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81697 @ 0.00027937 = 22.8237 BTC [-] {2} | [08:02] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne i was reduced to googling for your coupla phrases. reddit comes up. | [08:02] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: You mean the euphoria ones? | [08:02] |
mircea_popescu | yes | [08:02] |
williamdunne | Yeah it was some atheist euphoric kid | [08:02] |
BingoBoingo | ;;lasers | [08:03] |
williamdunne | What she said reminded me of it | [08:03] |
gribble | ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* | [08:03] |
justJanne | Also, you often don't need laws or regulations, as they are often ignored, if you use society or physics, it works better. Example: the streets in my city. If you have no parking lots anywhere in the city, people will have to use public transport. And private investors are happy too, because they can build parking lots and charge moon prices. 8$/h | [08:05] |
mircea_popescu | and if you have no toilet paper or jeans, eager kiel sluts will suck capitalist cock for a song | [08:07] |
mircea_popescu | i approve of this plan, yes. | [08:07] |
mircea_popescu | worked fine in the 80s, will work fine again. | [08:07] |
justJanne | The market will correct itself, if there is a market. | [08:07] |
mircea_popescu | who knew that the reunification of germany was going to go the other way. | [08:07] |
justJanne | As seen with the parking lots. | [08:07] |
justJanne | Nah, it didn't. | [08:07] |
justJanne | The current nordic model was already discussed and partially implemented in the 1800s | [08:08] |
mircea_popescu | lol. what is with socialism and its desperate need to a) pretend it has a different name now and b) pretend it has historical roots ? | [08:08] |
justJanne | The Nordic model is what Marx meant, but Lenin and Stalin went totally retarded. | [08:08] |
mircea_popescu | riiight. | [08:08] |
justJanne | Yes. Read Marx. | [08:08] |
mircea_popescu | i'd have to borrow your glasses | [08:09] |
mircea_popescu | an' i dun think they fit my head. | [08:09] |
justJanne | He really only complains about cartels, monopolies, unfair wages, and in general no public services. | [08:09] |
justJanne | Tbh, even the US nowadays is quite close to what Marx described. | [08:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45397 @ 0.00027814 = 12.6267 BTC [-] | [08:11] |
justJanne | Socialism, originally, was intended to do exactly this: give everyone equal chances, but then let them do their own thing. Of course you can start a company and become rich, this is no issue, as long as no one starves to death. | [08:11] |
mircea_popescu | "you can start a company as long as it doesn't matter or do anything important" | [08:12] |
mircea_popescu | yes yes. except, men are not babies. | [08:12] |
justJanne | No. | [08:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00026973 = 8.7527 BTC [-] {2} | [08:13] |
justJanne | You can start a company, and become a huge multinational even, as long as everyone has enough to fulfill their basic needs. | [08:13] |
mircea_popescu | how about, i have the money, i make the rules ? | [08:13] |
justJanne | And there are many successful Nordic startups and companies. | [08:13] |
justJanne | Money is a thing invented by people. | [08:14] |
mircea_popescu | so are rules. | [08:14] |
williamdunne | What do you mean "Invented" | [08:14] |
justJanne | Yes. | [08:14] |
williamdunne | Its sort of not invented but pretty much inherent to humans | [08:14] |
mircea_popescu | gravity is also a thing invented by people. | [08:14] |
williamdunne | Hence why the Indians die and Europeans rule the world | [08:14] |
justJanne | No. | [08:14] |
mircea_popescu | doesn't mean rocks didn't fall before, but it does mean it wasn't called gravity. | [08:14] |
williamdunne | doesn't mean rocks didn't fall before, but it does mean it wasn't called gravity. << this is exactly what I mean | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | so, yes, the idiocy of socialism, no matter how named, and the superiority of la serenissima, etc, are rules of the world, and drive it whether named or unnamed. | [08:15] |
justJanne | No. | [08:15] |
justJanne | Money is invented just like laws, or countriez | [08:16] |
mircea_popescu | but other than that, money was invented and reinvented by people, most recently being called bitcoin. | [08:16] |
williamdunne | Money has existed since before government was a concept that meant anything other than some tribe leader with a bone through his nose | [08:16] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne was the number 7 invented by people, iyo ? | [08:16] |
williamdunne | And it has been "invented" god knows how many times independently | [08:17] |
williamdunne | It stems from the idea of ownership and necessity of a common unit | [08:17] |
williamdunne | Thats literally all it is | [08:17] |
williamdunne | Anyone who didn't invent it was crushed | [08:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15747 @ 0.00027036 = 4.2574 BTC [+] | [08:21] |
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williamdunne | You know those dead bikers? Turns out they didn't actually kill anyone | [08:37] |
williamdunne | It was the police that killed them | [08:37] |
williamdunne | Not them killing each other | [08:37] |
williamdunne | http://www.agingrebel.com/12873 | [08:37] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha | [08:38] |
mircea_popescu | the texas shootout thing ? | [08:38] |
williamdunne | Yep, thats the one | [08:38] |
williamdunne | It was a knife fight, and as soon as one biker pulled a gun the swat opened automatic fire | [08:39] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, https://8ch.net/player.php?v=https://media.8ch.net/wx/src/1431138912693.webm&t=1430767959843schoolgirl-on-dildo.webm&loop=1 | [08:39] |
justJanne | More kills in one day than the police here in 70 years -.- | [08:39] |
williamdunne | justJanne: When it comes to it, the German soldiers will either massacre civilians or execute gov officials | [08:40] |
williamdunne | But considering who pays their salaries.. | [08:40] |
mircea_popescu | Sergeant Patrick Swanton, a spokesman for the Waco Police Department, called the attendees. “A bunch of criminal element biker members that came to Waco and tried to instill violence into our community and unfortunately did just that…. This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.” | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | no further professions allowed in the ussa. | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | be a doctor, lawyer or a dentist. or fuck you. | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | sucks that most of the kids are online geeks / webexperts i guess. | [08:43] |
williamdunne | Thats pretty meta - isn't it. Sergeant is on the list of criminals | [08:43] |
mircea_popescu | Sergeant Swanton said, “What occurred here today is the worst-case scenario when a business owner puts profit over human lives. It’s sad. This could have all been avoided.” | [08:43] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha "Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there" | [08:43] |
mircea_popescu | dude that country's so fucked... | [08:43] |
williamdunne | Its not even that country, I'm pretty sure the same would be said elsewhere in fairness | [08:44] |
williamdunne | But yeah thats pretty fucked | [08:45] |
mircea_popescu | eslewhere where, in the "democratic" republic of germany ? (following kruschev's revelation on stalin!) | [08:45] |
mircea_popescu | Since the massacre, police have announced that there is “credible information about threats toward law enforcement.” Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: “Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.” | [08:46] |
davout | deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0H2AZ99.txt | [08:46] |
deedbot- | accepted: 1 | [08:46] |
mircea_popescu | hey, i can see it. | [08:46] |
mircea_popescu | kill everyone in uniform. | [08:46] |
mircea_popescu | getting back to the softer side, https://media.8ch.net/wx/src/1431565456206-1.jpg | [08:47] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Oh noes, the lawyers and doctors too! | [08:49] |
davout | deedbot-: add feed http://fr.anco.is/feed/ | [08:51] |
mircea_popescu | kinda funny how the "we totally fucked up. it was our job to keep things smooth and well... we blew it" thing never comes out of us police. | [08:51] |
davout | trinque: did it werked? ^ | [08:51] |
davout | http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-may-19th-statement/ | [08:53] |
chetty | [08:53] | |
mircea_popescu | chetty ikr ? nuts, these people. | [08:53] |
mircea_popescu | "it's julia's fault! do it to julia! not me!" | [08:54] |
mircea_popescu | wtf, buncha felons. | [08:54] |
mircea_popescu | "we didn't just butcher a bunch of marginal retards in a parking lot. it was because of the moon. the guy that made the roof 15 years ago is to blame. it';s because texas has straight borders" | [08:54] |
mircea_popescu | how about you know, you just suck about as bad as the car mechanic that sets customers' cars on fire. | [08:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89471 @ 0.00029065 = 26.0047 BTC [+] {2} | [09:02] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50503 @ 0.00028874 = 14.5822 BTC [-] | [09:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49001 @ 0.00026862 = 13.1626 BTC [-] {2} | [09:39] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00028291 = 14.3152 BTC [+] {3} | [09:50] |
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funkenstein_ | ooh look non-sychophant in channel, nice logs :) | [10:04] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63950 @ 0.00026798 = 17.1373 BTC [-] | [10:24] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform http://technologycloud.org/?p=1144 << there! finally it's all been shanonized properly. | [10:31] |
mircea_popescu | funkenstein_ omfg what are you like the socialist party in hiding, waiting for reinforcements ? | [10:31] |
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punkman | mircea_popescu, that's a peculiar text, I wonder how it was made | [10:34] |
mircea_popescu | sentence level mixing i'd guess | [10:35] |
funkenstein_ | perhaps for some value of "socialist party" :) | [10:37] |
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* | mircea_popescu calls for purge of trotskyst elements &c | [10:41] |
scoopbot_revived | Testing Scoop http://thethug.life/testing-scoop/ | [10:41] |
funkenstein_ | what is a "confidence researcher"? | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | like a con man, but with science. | [10:42] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: wtf, chinese to english or what | [10:44] |
mircea_popescu | no idea. | [10:44] |
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williamdunne | Okay, Scoop should be 24/7 now, and even if he crashes the things he has posted should be persistent nao | [10:45] |
williamdunne | Just gonna test his persistence | [10:46] |
mircea_popescu | le cool. | [10:46] |
mircea_popescu | you gonna add the bitbet posting functionality ? a lot more sensible i nscoop than i ndeedbot | [10:46] |
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williamdunne | I can, I hadn't seen the request but I'm happy to add it | [10:46] |
mircea_popescu | splendeed. | [10:47] |
williamdunne | Can't see an API or anything tho | [10:47] |
mircea_popescu | jsons | [10:48] |
* | asciilifeform caught up with log, many lulz | [10:48] |
jurov | https://bitbet.us/rss/new/ | [10:48] |
williamdunne | Ah perfcet | [10:48] |
williamdunne | *perfect | [10:48] |
jurov | !mpif | [10:48] |
williamdunne | What features are wanted in said bot? | [10:49] |
mircea_popescu | announce new propositions and bets > 1 btc in value | [10:49] |
jurov | and accurate predictions! | [10:49] |
assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] | [10:49] |
jurov | !t m f.mpif | [10:50] |
assbot | [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000207 / 0.000207 / 0.000207 (20000 shares, 4.14 BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020659 / 0.000207 (74560 shares, 15.40 BTC) | [10:50] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform so you have a bet ? | [10:51] |
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mircea_popescu | check it out, they gave out the internet rations in twodogs today | [10:51] |
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nubbins` | a wild key collision appears | [10:51] |
nubbins` | what's this about a banner then | [10:52] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: waiwut, bet ? | [10:52] |
jurov | welcome nubbins` | [10:52] |
nubbins` | hi | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | listen nubsy, make a banner for your dubious publisher of offensive posters | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform how manyl lines she takes. | [10:52] |
asciilifeform | l0l | [10:52] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu like any ol' banner, or something more specific? | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | 728x90 | [10:53] |
nubbins` | inches? | [10:53] |
nubbins` | pixels? | [10:53] |
mircea_popescu | lol. https://8ch.net/btc/res/156.html << see that banner there at the top ? | [10:53] |
nubbins` | o you mean a web banner or smth don't you. | [10:53] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [10:53] |
jurov | well, you can make paper one and scan it it | [10:54] |
mircea_popescu | or papier mache | [10:54] |
jurov | for the derps to "tell by the pixels not professionally done" | [10:54] |
nubbins` | heh | [10:54] |
nubbins` | how many times so far this year have derps sent me files at terrible resolution for screenprinting | [10:54] |
nubbins` | "but it looks ok on my screen" | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | 726 | [10:55] |
nubbins` | kill yourself; get out | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` you DID SAY it was SCREEN printing | [10:55] |
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mircea_popescu | god damned scammers ruining everything. | [10:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100149 @ 0.00026827 = 26.867 BTC [+] {2} | [10:55] |
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nubbins` | hey now, you computer folk misappropriated the word. | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | this we did. | [10:55] |
nubbins` | that box of lights is no more a screen than my left shoe!! | [10:55] |
nubbins` | anyway, summertime rush is picking up | [10:56] |
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nubbins` | and i've somehow decided to publish a fully-silkscreened book that'll cost $100 per issue | [10:57] |
nubbins` | o.O | [10:57] |
jurov | what? stan's book is finished? | [10:57] |
nubbins` | no, jesus | [10:57] |
jurov | :D | [10:57] |
nubbins` | i'd be surprised if that thing gets printed before 2020 | [10:57] |
nubbins` | and this book is like 20 pages | [10:57] |
nubbins` | so. | [10:57] |
mircea_popescu | well by 2020, stan's book is also gonna be 20 pages | [10:58] |
mircea_popescu | ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((do))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) | [10:58] |
mod6 | :] | [10:58] |
nubbins` | aha! | [10:58] |
nubbins` | "what's 'do' do?" "the thing" | [10:58] |
mircea_popescu | fu, it looks ok on my left shoe! | [10:58] |
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nubbins` | did i mention that i was detained in a security room at cleveland hopkins airport for 13 hours because of this place? | [11:00] |
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mircea_popescu | no wai ?! | [11:01] |
mircea_popescu | and you didn't even come to conference ? | [11:01] |
jurov | and so it begins | [11:01] |
jurov | do tell | [11:01] |
nubbins` | heh. naw, just kidding | [11:01] |
nubbins` | they did make me hold my arms out like an airplane while they touched my dick tho | [11:01] |
jurov | did they found the rsa keys? | [11:01] |
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williamdunne | Yeah, they factored them | [11:02] |
* | williamdunne wonders if persistence thingy will work this time | [11:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00026858 = 4.9687 BTC [+] | [11:13] |
williamdunne | Well, Scoop is now working, although Assbot won't listen to commands so he can't up himself | [11:13] |
williamdunne | yay | [11:13] |
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nubbins` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkAL1AEam8 | [11:14] |
nubbins` | lel @ yellow shirt man @ 1:00 | [11:14] |
nubbins` | for those of you who are not canadian, yellow shirt man got fired from his $100k/yr job as an engineer at a public utility the day after this video came out | [11:14] |
nubbins` | mis lados etc | [11:14] |
mircea_popescu | lol buncha derps. | [11:16] |
mircea_popescu | "we just work here. not you... it's like...." | [11:16] |
mircea_popescu | if you are gonna do it, then what happened to "yeah bitch, exactly." | [11:16] |
mircea_popescu | fucking do it. | [11:16] |
mircea_popescu | she's not looking at him, he's not looking at her, they're like too much for each other already. | [11:17] |
williamdunne | What did they say to her? | [11:18] |
davout | scoopbot, totally online | [11:18] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't make it out. | [11:19] |
williamdunne | Assbot is down so he can't voice | [11:19] |
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davout | williamdunne: he's not on the chan is what i'm saying | [11:19] |
nubbins` | williamdunne "fuck her right in the pussy" | [11:19] |
davout | scoopbot_revived: ; DROP TABLE `feeds`; | [11:19] |
davout | scoopbot_revived: ; '; DROP TABLE `feeds`; | [11:19] |
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davout | aha! | [11:19] |
williamdunne | Yeah, I brought him down waiting for assbot to be back | [11:19] |
davout | yeah right | [11:19] |
williamdunne | His handler for voice starts at the beginning of the session.. | [11:19] |
jurov | kakobrekla it's possible to have backup assbot? | [11:20] |
williamdunne | Doesn't have a handler at any point other than that, no check if he can message the channel | [11:20] |
davout | jurov: cuntbot | [11:20] |
williamdunne | !h | [11:20] |
jurov | davout it's abbreviation for...? | [11:20] |
jurov | or just french? | [11:20] |
williamdunne | Technically I think ass is working, its just taking around 7 minutes for each response | [11:20] |
williamdunne | So maybe someone is spamming him | [11:20] |
williamdunne | 15:01:18 - williamdunne: !up | [11:20] |
williamdunne | 15:01:29 - williamdunne: !h | [11:20] |
williamdunne | 15:09:46 - assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/027f487e36503a54 | [11:20] |
williamdunne | 15:09:47 - assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot | [11:20] |
mircea_popescu | !rated gribble | [11:22] |
kakobrekla | backup assbot? | [11:24] |
williamdunne | ass is down | [11:24] |
kakobrekla | that 9 minute lag is freenode, not assbot | [11:24] |
williamdunne | Oh? Thats pretty crazy | [11:24] |
kakobrekla | !rated gribble | [11:24] |
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williamdunne | If its just lag Scoop should be able to wait for the response | [11:25] |
mircea_popescu | nuts tho. is the lag specifically to assbot ?! | [11:25] |
kakobrekla | i can restart it, see if it connects to a different server | [11:25] |
mircea_popescu | good idea | [11:25] |
kakobrekla | others may be affected too | [11:25] |
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kakobrekla | funny how asslog totally differs from what i see | [11:33] |
kakobrekla | anyway still waiting for ping timeout | [11:33] |
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williamdunne | !h | [11:34] |
assbot | http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot | [11:34] |
williamdunne | w00t | [11:34] |
davout | !rated jurov | [11:34] |
assbot | You rated user jurov on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR. | [11:34] |
davout | seems to werk fine | [11:34] |
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davout | deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3JTY0T7.txt | [11:39] |
deedbot- | accepted: 1 | [11:39] |
scoopbot_revived | Scoop Test http://thethug.life/scoop-test/ | [11:39] |
williamdunne | Scoop werks | [11:39] |
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mod6 | Ok, the v0_5_3_1-RELEASE performance test is complete. Charts are posted here if you'd like to view: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Charts/ | [11:45] |
mod6 | You'll notice that there are two times that during the full blockchain sync, bitcoind got oomkill'd. | [11:46] |
mod6 | Again, this is just the bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE -- no patches added. | [11:47] |
davout | http://ir.theice.com/press-and-publications/press-releases/all-categories/2015/05-19-2015-133635560.aspx | [11:47] |
davout | "As a global index leader and administrator of ICE LIBOR, ICE Futures U.S. Dollar Index and many other notable benchmarks, we are pleased to bring transparency to this market." | [11:47] |
mod6 | And for reference, here's where you can view the performance test charts that were with the OrphanageThermonuke patched in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/ | [11:47] |
davout | "We are now going to use our name, reputation and global index provider stature to provide bitcoin values that the rest of the market can look to," says Tom Farley, who serves as president of NYSE, the venerable financial institution that has come to symbolize Wall Street and capitalism more broadly. | [11:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24527 @ 0.00027005 = 6.6235 BTC [+] {3} | [11:48] |
davout | right. | [11:48] |
williamdunne | "Sorry we're late to the party, hey girlz, wanna see my handstand?" | [11:48] |
davout | it's not that they're late, it's just... wtf | [11:49] |
davout | "NYXBT utilizes a unique methodology that relies on rules-based logic to analyze a dataset of matched transactions and verify the integrity of the data to ultimately produce an objective and fair daily value for one bitcoin in U.S. Dollars as of 16:00 London time." | [11:50] |
funkenstein_ | bringing transparency to US markets, at 16:00 London Time | [11:52] |
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mod6 | Process_Switches hits >4000 on v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Charts when it oomkill'd | [12:06] |
mod6 | then straight down to 0. | [12:07] |
punkman | "The NYSE Bitcoin Index will initially feature data from transactions from Coinbase Exchange, the leading U.S.-based bitcoin exchange. In 2015, NYSE made a minority investment in Coinbase" | [12:08] |
punkman | well that's gonna be fun to watch | [12:11] |
justJanne | Anyway, I'm sorry, but I don't have much time arguing with people like you stupidly about fictional politics. | [12:20] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00026788 = 7.6078 BTC [-] {2} | [12:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42026 @ 0.00026419 = 11.1028 BTC [-] {2} | [12:28] |
williamdunne | What on earth. | [12:30] |
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danielpbarron | !up tcrypt | [12:41] |
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ben_vulpes | this thread's still going, eh? | [12:41] |
davout | doesn't look like it | [12:41] |
davout | she did broke the 1000 lines count while at it though | [12:41] |
davout | notbad.jpg | [12:41] |
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ben_vulpes | > arguing stupidly << accidentally totally spot on | [12:43] |
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ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137072 << they're /both/ problems. | [12:47] |
assbot | Logged on 18-05-2015 23:03:57; justJanne: mod6: power is not the issue. | [12:47] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00027836 = 9.7426 BTC [+] | [12:49] |
mircea_popescu | davout vague stuff is vague, but anyway | [12:49] |
mircea_popescu | how is coinbase leading anything anyway ? | [12:49] |
mircea_popescu | !up tcrypt | [12:50] |
-assbot- | You voiced tcrypt for another 30 minutes. | [12:50] |
* | assbot gives voice to tcrypt | [12:50] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne What on earth. << late onset butthurt. | [12:50] |
mircea_popescu | one wonders what'd be the bar for non-fictional politics. | [12:52] |
mircea_popescu | moses' tablets, perhaps. | [12:52] |
mircea_popescu | justJanne 846 << what 1k ? scam. | [12:54] |
jurov | well, i saw nobody explain to her how does the nordic model actually does not exist | [12:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28684 @ 0.00027836 = 7.9845 BTC [+] | [12:59] |
jurov | there were mostly fictional counterexamples | [12:59] |
jurov | and mircea's "i do what i want" | [13:00] |
mircea_popescu | yeah i did, she just ignored it. | [13:00] |
mircea_popescu | the age old problem with being clueless - it impairs metacognition too. | [13:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25766 @ 0.00028789 = 7.4178 BTC [+] | [13:05] |
mod6 | 10 moduli broken | [13:05] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [13:06] |
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mircea_popescu | http://pastebin.com/p5dVp1e5 >> this is like the most retarded thing i've seen today. | [13:07] |
mircea_popescu | look at the cute idiots, they're going to call no philosophies. because that's how it works, for keepsies! they called it! | [13:08] |
mod6 | "lists are for nerds." | [13:09] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: what's with the ~ in b,tmsro~ ? | [13:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42185 @ 0.00027136 = 11.4473 BTC [-] | [13:10] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes old library convention, so the list doesn't consist of half the items filed under TH | [13:11] |
mircea_popescu | America, The History Of ~ | [13:11] |
ben_vulpes | aha | [13:11] |
* | ben_vulpes searches memory for previous occurrences of the ~ | [13:12] |
ben_vulpes | dude you know i think this is another thing americans simply shrugged and decided to not bother with | [13:12] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 as an item in a list. | [13:12] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes they might have decided not to teach kids anymore, but it was in use back in the day | [13:12] |
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ben_vulpes | not even not taught, but not even used | [13:13] |
* | ben_vulpes spent rather a lot of time in libraries as a wee one | [13:13] |
mircea_popescu | but after computers neh ? | [13:13] |
mircea_popescu | computers made all other things stupider. | [13:14] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, this particular usage is the reason tilde even exists on computer keyboards. | [13:14] |
ben_vulpes | i'm deeming the justJanne word salad as skippable | [13:15] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138620 << too many | [13:16] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 09:27:49; mircea_popescu: clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ? | [13:16] |
mircea_popescu | you nearly ended up hosting her. | [13:16] |
ben_vulpes | lolwut | [13:16] |
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mircea_popescu | talk to trinque, he signed you up. | [13:16] |
mod6 | <+mircea_popescu> mod6 as an item in a list. << hehe | [13:16] |
ben_vulpes | waaaat | [13:16] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138736 << ahaha | [13:17] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 09:49:00; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque hey lot, if i buy her plane tickets do you show her portland ? a week or so ? | [13:17] |
ben_vulpes | sure. | [13:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00026142 = 15.3061 BTC [-] {2} | [13:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21306 @ 0.00025917 = 5.5219 BTC [-] | [13:19] |
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* | assbot removes voice from tcrypt | [13:21] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138929 << i contest this point: http://www.xvideos.com/video4179860/champagne_bottle_in_the_ass_2 | [13:21] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 10:24:05; mircea_popescu: doesn't mean you can run around sticking bottles up your ass. | [13:21] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139174 << sounds familiar | [13:25] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 11:08:18; mircea_popescu: "you can start a company as long as it doesn't matter or do anything important" | [13:25] |
ben_vulpes | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139334 << /me imagines nubsy making airplane noises whilst being groped | [13:26] |
assbot | Logged on 19-05-2015 13:59:00; nubbins`: they did make me hold my arms out like an airplane while they touched my dick tho | [13:26] |
mircea_popescu | laters! | [13:26] |
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