Forum logs for 19 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market buttchina [03:09]
gribble BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 233.827048, Best ask: 233.831884, Bid-ask spread: 0.00484, Last trade: 233.82866, 24 hour volume: 17755.83700000, 24 hour low: 232.935612, 24 hour high: 236.89952, 24 hour vwap: 235.370633812 [03:09]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market itbutt [03:09]
gribble Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all' [03:09]
BingoBoingo ^ nanotube can gribble get itbutt ticker pls? [03:10]
mircea_popescu trinque hey, you gonna make deedbot announce bitbet bets too ? [03:12]
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mircea_popescu trinque hey, you gonna make deedbot announce bitbet bets too ? [03:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137812 << imo dos is actually better than unix. [03:15]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 05:33:47; trinque: asciilifeform: I tend to think if it survived that long something's right about it [03:15]
trinque mircea_popescu: bitbets sure, it's RSS? [03:17]
mircea_popescu json iirc [03:17]
mircea_popescu it was new props, and bets > 1 btc iirc. [03:17]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137579 << for the record, corruption is the only thing that's actually good, just, sane and humane in that discussion. [03:21]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 00:56:48; justJanne: mike_c: kinda. But corruption makes discussion always useless. [03:21]
mircea_popescu all the shoulding and oughting and wanting is outright criminal. [03:21]
trinque is that like, paying people to do things? [03:21]
mircea_popescu ikr? [03:21]
trinque fucking evil [03:22]
mircea_popescu me persuading people to betray uncle sam = corruption!111 ; congress coming up with fatca to FORCE people into betraying their own customers = rule of law [03:22]
mircea_popescu go fig. [03:22]
trinque they're incredibly obedient, which is probably fine under sane circumstances [03:24]
mircea_popescu corruption is commerce that dares work against one's ideological goals. the mere fact that this could happen invalidates that one's thinking, and the fact it happens i npractice, and not even exceptionally but to the degree it can no longe be ignored even by the wilfully ignorant ... [03:24]
mircea_popescu basically if corruption is a problem you're hitler. [03:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137586 << yes, it is. so is germany. the situation here is that a leper and a phtysic point at each other. [03:26]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 00:59:33; justJanne: Because the US is a reference point as worst case civilized country. [03:26]
mircea_popescu yes, yes, the one with tb will die first and the one with leprosy stinks worst. big whoop. [03:26]
mircea_popescu and on which, incidentally, http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Bulletin_1904_1000535282/85 [03:28]
mircea_popescu "Doubtless the danger of infection is exaggerated to-day in its sociological dangerous manner." [03:28]
mircea_popescu century ago, same problems. [03:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as there's free herring in the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were the most unfortunate wretches throughout the intermediate period between first [03:32]
mircea_popescu and second example. [03:32]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 00:58:49; justJanne: And the personal freedom in the Nordic model is larger than in the US. [03:32]
mircea_popescu i get it, you got how to throw a great party down, once someone prepares the cupboards. very impressed. [03:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137610 << epic. [03:34]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 01:04:12; justJanne: Your employer has to send that money to the govt. [03:34]
mircea_popescu "youy have to fuck this drake on cam. go ahead." [03:34]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137626 << no. and neither will slovakia. unless it's a good deal for them, making it a cheap way to acquire publicity rights for your case for instance. [03:36]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 01:07:21; jurov: will The Most Serene Republic cover your medical expenses in case of accident? [03:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137636 << then you suck and should be dead in the first place. [03:36]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 01:09:19; justJanne: And what if you can't afford it at that point? [03:36]
mircea_popescu there's no rule that "everyone must has", be it equal chances or whatever else. there's also no rule that everyone's just as good as everyone else. [03:37]
mircea_popescu not everything has to be preserved. some shit dies, thanks fucking god. [03:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137652 << this is true. famine is what made eastern european girls such hotties the past 2-3 decades. it's fading, of course. [03:38]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 01:12:44; justJanne: With less than 47% of the people owning cars, and everyone using bikes, public transport, and walking, the amount of overweight people reduces drastically. [03:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137659 << i'm with him. i love walking. [03:41]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 01:15:12; BingoBoingo: I dunno anything beats walking. [03:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137661 << why would anyone sane live in a rookery. [03:41]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 01:15:30; justJanne: If you have small narrow streets, distances between 10 and 15 km, and a huge amount of people on tiny space, [03:41]
BingoBoingo The natural order of things is you walk around town and drive (car, horse, rocket) between towns. [03:42]
mircea_popescu yeh [03:42]
BingoBoingo A bicycle is just dead wait that's going to get stolen as soon as you have to go inside a building [03:43]
mircea_popescu "on this point, there can be no debate!" [03:43]
BingoBoingo And if one can't walk with leisure to all places of import in the town, the town sucks [03:45]
trinque driving alone on a road being a close second [03:45]
trinque I used to get a lot of thinking done driving between the major cities in TX; past a certain hour there's nobody out there [03:46]
BingoBoingo driving alone on a road in the middle of nowhere during the day, just might take first place [03:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137702 << sounds exactly like the chinese palace of pu yi [03:47]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 02:00:50; mats: this occurred under the management of three supply dudes, each of them who successively transferred to another unit before shit hit the fan, and to my knowledge nobody's been locked up yet [03:47]
trinque try making angry plans for your life on your fucking bicycle [03:47]
trinque impossible [03:47]
mircea_popescu trinque or while having secx. [03:47]
trinque lol, I give that a 50/50 on working out [03:49]
trinque could be like "and then we're going to own half this city" and so on, with thrusts [03:49]
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mircea_popescu >D [03:50]
mircea_popescu so try it sometime [03:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137742 << well, what they say they're doing and what they're actually doing in training exercises is famously divorced. [03:52]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 02:45:32; decimation: he might have been bullshitting [03:52]
mircea_popescu "This room has vx gas in it!11" "no, not really, act as if it did." [03:52]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137752 << nukes, smaller. [03:53]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 02:49:42; mats: chemical weapons are only useful for propaganda [03:53]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137760 << obv, as displayed in chat. the most amusing part being the implicit expectation one'd care. which apparently only exists because it was never challenged. [03:55]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 03:06:37; decimation: I suspect one cannot be against 'basic income' and 'insurance for all' without being a nazi in modern germany [03:55]
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ben_vulpes kakobrekla: does log.bitcoin-assets.com have some weird filtering? [04:29]
ben_vulpes pnohe does not want to resolve dns even apparently [04:29]
ben_vulpes raptop, howeverz... [04:30]
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justJanne BingoBingo: the issue is that you can't walk around in larger towns anymore, and that's where bikes become useful. And no, people don't steal it. Hell, I've left my laptop hundreds of times on random park benches in heavily frequented parks, never stolen. In my neighborhood most people don't even lock their doors. [04:44]
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ben_vulpes danielpbarron: unless you lose it all, and have no money and are starving << people who should starve should starve [04:46]
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justJanne And that's where you are wrong. [04:47]
ben_vulpes justJanne: there are simply too many people on this planet [04:47]
justJanne Nope. [04:47]
justJanne Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people. [04:47]
justJanne But about 40% of the produced food is wasted. [04:48]
ben_vulpes were it all dispersed evenly across everyone, rather than proportionately to their ability to pay. [04:48]
trinque "at this rate of emptying the tank we could support infinite trucks" [04:48]
justJanne Not really. [04:48]
ben_vulpes suuuure, if all the food were spread really thinly across the whole population base, we could all live on gruel! [04:48]
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justJanne No. [04:48]
williamdunne Waste is a fact, there is no real way around it [04:49]
ben_vulpes this contradiction routine wears thin, justJanne. [04:49]
williamdunne We could have more people if people wanted to fuck ugly chicks [04:49]
williamdunne But they don't [04:49]
justJanne I am saying: just the food you let go to waste would be enough to feed the starving people in Africa. [04:49]
trinque justJanne: bringing things places costs money [04:50]
ben_vulpes i literally give zero shits about starving people in africa. [04:50]
justJanne And that's the issue what's wrong with this world. [04:50]
justJanne Or rather, how to get wars. [04:50]
ben_vulpes show me how to save my wot from impending doom, and i'll give a shit. [04:50]
ben_vulpes but saving randos on another continent? idgaf. [04:50]
williamdunne Africa might actually stand a chance of doing something if it weren't for various restrictions placed by EU, USG and co [04:50]
justJanne True. [04:51]
williamdunne Feeding them is useless [04:51]
trinque justJanne: does europe now think it is "beyond" war? [04:51]
ben_vulpes "war is interested in you" [04:51]
trinque ^ [04:51]
justJanne War might be interested in Europe, as an entity [04:51]
justJanne But the wars inside of EU are history. [04:51]
justJanne For the first time in the past 3000 years we have no wars between EU countries. [04:52]
ben_vulpes bwahaha [04:52]
trinque fascinating... [04:52]
ben_vulpes for this brief period [04:52]
trinque does germany own the EU politically now? [04:52]
justJanne Nah. [04:52]
trinque justJanne: you're german right? [04:52]
justJanne The EU council has actually no say. [04:52]
trinque whoever has money has say [04:52]
justJanne The power is in the commission and the parliament [04:53]
ben_vulpes heh, cute [04:53]
ben_vulpes not those who buy the votes. no never that. [04:53]
justJanne You can't pass a law without either bribing half of them, [04:53]
justJanne Or changing the constitution first. [04:53]
ben_vulpes in what world are all of the politicians in any situation not wholly owned by capital? [04:54]
ben_vulpes this Janne babe's doing a number on the chan, smack in the middle of the keymageddon. [04:55]
williamdunne A magic world without capital [04:55]
justJanne The EU commissioners, albeit getting lobbied to by many companies to pass TTIP just leaked all secret treaties they are working on. [04:55]
williamdunne TTIP seems like an interesting idea, IMO [04:55]
justJanne They might be corrupt, but they aren't that corrupt. [04:55]
williamdunne Keep governments liable for damages [04:55]
williamdunne Do it [04:55]
justJanne Lol [04:55]
ben_vulpes !rate justJanne -1 some girl with notions [04:55]
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justJanne We've seen what happened before. [04:55]
justJanne Romania reduced subsidies, [04:55]
justJanne And had to pay 250 million in damages. [04:56]
justJanne Per suing company. [04:56]
justJanne Subsidies can't be what you want, right? [04:56]
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williamdunne Don't want subsidies [04:56]
williamdunne Don't want taxes [04:56]
williamdunne Don't want gov [04:57]
justJanne Then you should be against TTIP [04:57]
justJanne Because it forces governments to keep subsidies, or increase them. [04:57]
justJanne It also leads to restrictions for some companies. [04:57]
justJanne And adds European IP law in the US, and US IP law in Europe. [04:57]
justJanne So no, you can't produce cheese and call it Gouda or Cheddar in the US anymore. [04:58]
justJanne Ad that's copyrighted. [04:58]
justJanne *as [04:58]
justJanne TTIP is bad for almost everyone. [04:58]
williamdunne Don't want IP [04:58]
williamdunne I just like the idea of suing government, wasn't aware that you could sue for removed subsidies [04:59]
justJanne Then you don't want TTIP [04:59]
justJanne You should read the treaty. [04:59]
williamdunne I should, I'll do that later [04:59]
williamdunne Although in this case I like subsidies, I change my mind [04:59]
trinque what I do want is other people signing contracts on my behalf. [04:59]
trinque dictating terms to me [04:59]
trinque this is freedom [04:59]
justJanne Nah. [04:59]
trinque yes. [04:59]
williamdunne ^ +1, trinque you want my GPG key? [05:00]
trinque you're too young to have ever had anything [05:00]
justJanne Freedom is when you'd get to vote on it. [05:00]
williamdunne Wut? [05:00]
trinque williamdunne: for what [05:00]
williamdunne trinque: Signing contracts on my behalf [05:00]
ben_vulpes i'm looking forward to ttip draining medicaid for hilaribad training proggys [05:00]
trinque williamdunne: oh, I do not [05:00]
justJanne Without even the ability to vote on this, TTIP is unconstitutional. [05:00]
williamdunne Voting ain't freedom [05:00]
justJanne Nah. [05:00]
justJanne But without voting there is 0 freedom. [05:00]
ben_vulpes kakobrekla: how long do i have to wait for assbot to accept and act on my raitings? [05:01]
williamdunne Voting arguably reduces freedom [05:01]
justJanne Voting makes it 50% freedom, as at least 50% of the people gets their choice. [05:01]
ben_vulpes ratings* [05:01]
justJanne Without voting, there is 0 freedom [05:01]
trinque justJanne: 435/320mil are going to rubber stamp this thing and make me ok with it? [05:01]
williamdunne In that case with voting there is -1 freedom [05:01]
williamdunne It gives the idea of legitimacy to bad things [05:01]
justJanne Why? [05:01]
williamdunne If that is freedom, so is gangrape [05:02]
justJanne Not everything is bad, just because you don't like it. [05:02]
williamdunne Subjectively it is [05:02]
ben_vulpes but the average of opinions is good, because it includes everyone!1 [05:02]
cazalla russians need to send more reds to rape german women tbh, fuck this shit [05:02]
justJanne But objectively not. [05:02]
williamdunne Objectively speaking stealing from people is bad [05:02]
williamdunne The fact that there is an organization doing it on your behalf makes it no better [05:02]
justJanne There is no stealing. [05:03]
williamdunne Regardless if you've got your popular mandate [05:03]
williamdunne *of if [05:03]
justJanne You do it voluntarily. [05:03]
ben_vulpes Objectively speaking stealing from people is bad << nope, stealing from my enemies is grand. [05:03]
trinque justJanne: there is allowing the state to control the definition of money and of ownership. [05:03]
trinque the fucking end [05:03]
justJanne You could just move to Somalia. [05:03]
justJanne No taxes anymore. [05:03]
justJanne See? [05:03]
justJanne No stealing. [05:03]
williamdunne Thats not how this works [05:03]
justJanne It's your choice to live in a place with taxes. [05:03]
williamdunne No it isn't, I was born here [05:03]
justJanne We had that earlier. [05:04]
ben_vulpes lol and this is a 19yo girl [05:04]
justJanne And you said people deserve to be punished for the actions for their ancestors. [05:04]
williamdunne When did I say this? [05:04]
justJanne In this case, you deserve to be taxed because your parents were to stupid to move away [05:04]
trinque heh [05:04]
ben_vulpes and you deserve to be raped for supporting socialism then? [05:04]
williamdunne [citation needed] [05:04]
justJanne I think trinque was the one saying it? [05:04]
cazalla justJanne, hope you get raped by a gang of marauding muslims over there [05:05]
trinque I'll take it [05:05]
williamdunne Trinque's statements aren't my own, this isn't a government [05:05]
trinque yep [05:05]
justJanne So, williamdunne, you say people don't deserve to be punished for the actions of their ancestors? [05:06]
williamdunne Yes [05:06]
justJanne So everyone should, after birth, have the same chances? [05:06]
ben_vulpes mats: DS9-Star Trek is pretty much real. << aha she thinks scifi's real [05:06]
williamdunne No [05:06]
justJanne Why not? [05:06]
williamdunne Something can be without being enacted [05:06]
williamdunne The difference is the initiation [05:06]
justJanne Why should they be punished for their parents poorness? [05:06]
trinque justJanne: you use should to leap across things you don't want to have to think about. [05:06]
ben_vulpes Why not? << needs some context [05:06]
trinque this is nothing bad, just being young and not knowing anything [05:06]
mircea_popescu !up referredbyloper [05:06]
williamdunne They aren't being punished, they simply are [05:06]
-assbot- You voiced referredbyloper for 30 minutes. [05:06]
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justJanne Punishment through inaction is still punishment. [05:07]
williamdunne No, it isn't [05:07]
trinque you know, if socialists are happy in socialism, why isn't that fine? [05:07]
trinque I say sit in it [05:07]
williamdunne Because they enforce it on others, if they want to create a commune go for it [05:07]
ben_vulpes rot in your poo! [05:07]
justJanne I don't know. I have no issues with you guys building a state of anarchy, [05:07]
trinque anarchy lol [05:07]
justJanne As long as this place can stay the way it is. [05:07]
williamdunne You don't really get a choice in what happens [05:08]
ben_vulpes and how would you know how this place is, justJanne [05:08]
mircea_popescu Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people. << that's not the point. sure, food could be produced to feed 10, 100, one trillion. does not mean anyone wants more idiots running around. too many as it is. [05:08]
justJanne trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets. [05:08]
justJanne That's pretty much anarchy. [05:08]
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trinque no one speaks for me [05:08]
mircea_popescu who said this and where did they say it ? [05:08]
justJanne williamdunne said it, for example. [05:08]
ben_vulpes trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets. << source or seriously get the fuck out [05:09]
justJanne Several others said the same before. [05:09]
ben_vulpes williamdunne does not count. [05:09]
trinque scam [05:09]
trinque ben_vulpes: provacateur! [05:09]
williamdunne Once again, my opinions are my own [05:09]
williamdunne Something I have said does not apply to others here [05:09]
mircea_popescu justJanne you will have to learn to cite. [05:09]
justJanne williamdunne Don't want taxes [05:09]
williamdunne And I am not a lord [05:09]
justJanne williamdunne Don't want gov [05:09]
ben_vulpes williamdunne Don't want taxes << so what and whatever [05:09]
ben_vulpes kid doesn't matter [05:09]
mircea_popescu not merely because to prevail in arguments, but because a mind that's organised without strong sourcing of propositions is windows in a skullbox. [05:10]
williamdunne justJanne: Once again, you're quoting me [05:10]
ben_vulpes can't keep an irc bot up [05:10]
justJanne Yes, and I'm arguing with you. [05:10]
mircea_popescu aww why so mean! [05:10]
williamdunne On that note, scoop will be back later today [05:10]
williamdunne for good this time [05:10]
williamdunne I swearsies [05:10]
mircea_popescu good. [05:10]
justJanne If the others want to join the argument, they have to also measure themselves to your statements. [05:10]
mircea_popescu not how this works justJanne [05:10]
williamdunne Read the logs [05:11]
williamdunne Their positions are all in there [05:11]
ben_vulpes williamdunne: better to demonstrate than postulate. [05:11]
williamdunne justJanne: You're joining the argument, not the other way around [05:11]
justJanne No. [05:11]
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justJanne I made yesterday some statements, [05:11]
justJanne That were picked out of context and attacked today. [05:11]
williamdunne What meanies [05:11]
trinque people review the logs and respond; get used to it [05:11]
justJanne By people saying they want no subsidies, but TTIP [05:12]
mircea_popescu they were taken out of the context you intended them in and placed in the wider context prevailing here. [05:12]
mircea_popescu this gives you an opportunity to explain yourself, or to go nuts i guess. [05:12]
justJanne I didn't go nuts yet. [05:12]
mircea_popescu not yet, no :) [05:12]
mircea_popescu incidentally, anyone ever tried nut-aged cheese ? [05:12]
justJanne I wonder how you guys actually think your social system will work in reality. [05:13]
mircea_popescu ever read anythng on the topic ? [05:13]
justJanne Yeah, a friend of mine was an extreme anarchist. [05:13]
justJanne So I read and learned a lot about it. [05:13]
mircea_popescu woman. your derpy friends are immaterial. [05:13]
justJanne Interesting idea, unless it is implemented, within of a dozen generations it often stops working. [05:14]
mircea_popescu i've known a bunch of german sluts, i don't go around assuming you're one, right ? [05:14]
justJanne Nah. [05:14]
williamdunne justJanne: What is implemented? WoT is alive and well [05:14]
justJanne But we talked through your topic a bunch of times. [05:14]
mircea_popescu yeah i guess time for a reading list. [05:14]
justJanne williamdunne: when you'd try to implement this system in reality, as a social system. [05:14]
williamdunne We're being social now [05:15]
mircea_popescu justJanne http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ << start there. [05:15]
williamdunne It is implemented in reality [05:15]
ben_vulpes this is why we must insist on the log-reading, regardless of how cute or female. [05:15]
justJanne Especially the "let poor people become poorer" and the "rich become richer" part. [05:15]
ben_vulpes neither of which etc etc [05:15]
williamdunne Wut? [05:15]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes also must give people rope to hang with, it's a tandem process. [05:15]
ben_vulpes NO [05:15]
ben_vulpes KILL NAO [05:15]
BingoBoingo Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people. << that's not the point. sure, food could be produced to feed 10, 100, one trillion. does not mean anyone wants more idiots running around. too many as it is. << Speaking about agriculture. Lots of fallow fields this year. [05:15]
justJanne After just a dozen generations, your poor will rise up against you. [05:15]
* ben_vulpes tries to imagine the wealth of nagants bequeathed after a dozen cycles [05:16]
williamdunne justJanne: I shared all of your opinions at first, thought MP was a cock etc. I then had the decency to spend ~9 months reading logs and blogs before speaking [05:16]
ben_vulpes honey read logs [05:16]
ben_vulpes stop derpin [05:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo from what i hear a major battle is raging in us agriculture. monsanto vs agrobiz [05:16]
williamdunne justJanne: Poor would benefit as much as anyone else, well, the working poor [05:16]
ben_vulpes this handle of your'n already burtn [05:16]
ben_vulpes burnt [05:16]
justJanne williamdunne: I read blogs about it for 3 years. [05:16]
williamdunne justJanne: Not about it [05:17]
williamdunne The blogs here [05:17]
williamdunne Scoopbots reading list [05:17]
mircea_popescu about something else masquerading as it. [05:17]
justJanne And it made me even more convinced it is a great system in theory. Not in reality. [05:17]
justJanne No, literally your ideas and statements. [05:17]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes also must give people rope to hang with, it's a tandem process. << maybe next cycle i can refrain [05:17]
mircea_popescu you've done what a hacker news reader would do, reading the usg piece instead of my piece and imagining "oh i read about crypto" [05:17]
mircea_popescu no, you have not. [05:17]
justJanne I even read dozens of logs of the chat before. [05:17]
mircea_popescu it doesn't show, somehow. [05:17]
williamdunne justJanne: No, you haven't [05:17]
justJanne Because I still don't believe it is a good idea. [05:18]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There's always the lover's quarrels with those two. Could just be phosphorous is getting expensive... [05:18]
mircea_popescu no, not because of what you believe. because of how you proceed. [05:18]
justJanne One can have an opinion different of yours. [05:18]
williamdunne No shit [05:18]
mircea_popescu actually everyone does, is the amusing thing. [05:18]
justJanne mircea_popescu: I didn't start any process. [05:18]
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justJanne Someone yesterday asked what's so bad about abolishing the Nordic model. [05:18]
mircea_popescu justJanne how you proceed means "how you go about it" [05:18]
justJanne That's how the whole thing started. [05:18]
mircea_popescu the nordic model consists of being lucky, is all. [05:19]
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justJanne Since then, I'm just defending the current position. [05:19]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: how are you even awake [05:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137845 << there is your controlling counter justJanne. do you know what the scania thing references ? [05:19]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 06:28:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137583 << yes. and it only works for as long as there's free herring in the scania straight, or for as long as kennedy is ein berliner and airlifts food for free, or for as long as the north sea oil lasts, or for as long as insane luck rolls keep going. otherwise, fuckall, german peasants were the most unfortunate wretches throughout the [05:19]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i don't sleep, i wait. [05:19]
* ben_vulpes cowers [05:19]
justJanne Ofc I know that shit. [05:20]
ben_vulpes If you want total anarchy, go to somalia, they live it. << lol u and somalia [05:20]
justJanne Bit that's not the case. [05:20]
williamdunne On a similar note, I considered dunne.so and thug.so as alternative to thethug.life [05:20]
mircea_popescu what do you mean "it's not the case" ? [05:20]
ben_vulpes anyways i got magical tits runnin around i'm off [05:20]
davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137219 <<< volunteer firemen work for the extra cunt [05:20]
assbot Logged on 18-05-2015 23:51:02; justJanne: because they are volunteers. [05:20]
mircea_popescu davout she's not figured that out yet. [05:21]
justJanne >_> [05:21]
BingoBoingo Bit that's not the case. << Why do the Greeks and Spaniards work longer hours and yet Krautenvacations are longest vacations? [05:22]
mircea_popescu "work" vs work [05:22]
BingoBoingo Luck? The benevolent ghost of the Kaiser [05:22]
justJanne davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too? [05:23]
mircea_popescu nah, latinos mostly do c style work (figure out the least you can get away with and do less htan that). [05:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But it's all calories! [05:23]
mircea_popescu justJanne they especially. [05:23]
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justJanne And volunteer garbage workers? [05:23]
justJanne They too? [05:23]
mircea_popescu you have any idea what bdsm is ? [05:23]
trinque justJanne: you cannot begin to imagine the bore of a planned out life for a male... good fucking god [05:23]
trinque seems like it sounds fantastic to you [05:24]
mircea_popescu lots of pedos volunteer to be teachers. is scarcely a proof your system works. [05:24]
davout justJanne: i don't know lol, you were talking about firemen, guess they're bored or something, but then again, you don't only see volunteer librarians in societies that "work well" [05:24]
trinque everyone has their place! [05:24]
williamdunne Some in the gutter.. [05:24]
justJanne True. But it shows that people have the will and ability to do good without pay. [05:24]
mircea_popescu trinque you think it's a gender issue ? i dun think she's old enough yet. [05:24]
davout justJanne: just because you don't see what folks get out of a deal doesn't mean they're not getting anything [05:24]
mircea_popescu justJanne if it's not worth paying for it wasn't that good in the first place. [05:24]
mircea_popescu & what d said. [05:25]
gribble Error: "what" is not a valid command. [05:25]
BingoBoingo davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too? << I am a librarian. Volunteering without compensation is a violation of my professional ethics. [05:25]
williamdunne Interesting, didn't realise ampersand was a gribble thing [05:25]
davout BingoBoingo: don't you get to steal a TP roll a day already? [05:25]
trinque mircea_popescu: could just as well be something taught to everyone, that risk is terrible and to be avoided [05:25]
justJanne BingoBoingo: then you'd have a hard time here, 90% of all librarians are volunteers. [05:25]
mircea_popescu gribble's a control sequence slut. CSS [05:25]
mircea_popescu trinque and yet she is here. [05:25]
davout justJanne: you underestimate the percentage of people that would do anything to merely get some social interaction, aka feel lonely [05:26]
mircea_popescu ESPECIALLY in societies that "Work well" by old woman standards. [05:26]
BingoBoingo justJanne: Seeing as the library profession here requires a graduate degree it wouldn't be sustainable here. [05:26]
mircea_popescu such as "northern countries" w/e that may mean. [05:26]
justJanne That's no issue, davout. Such immaterial payments are just what I originally meant. [05:27]
trinque so they're all already smashed into obedience, and were born there [05:27]
mircea_popescu amusingly, the only place where that model is actually sustainable is... israel. [05:27]
trinque so yeah the cell's fine whatever, sun's shining out there today [05:27]
mircea_popescu where the old woman doctrine has the nice counterpart of the freely provided fun stuff to do by the palestinians. [05:27]
mircea_popescu if those schmucks had any idea about their important place in keeping adlai happy... [05:27]
mircea_popescu justJanne do you read french ? [05:28]
justJanne Not really, I didn't take it as 3rd or 4th language in school [05:28]
mircea_popescu a, that's a pity. [05:28]
davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1137366 <<< top kek [05:28]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 00:14:48; hanbot: how about jealous wives? [05:28]
mircea_popescu i lol'd too >D [05:29]
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davout srsly, catching up with log, you guys have been going for like 8 hours now? [05:29]
mircea_popescu she's insatiable. [05:29]
davout haha [05:29]
mircea_popescu we're reduced to taking turns and losing sleep. [05:29]
justJanne I have no issue explaining people why removing the Nordic model would be bad. [05:29]
mircea_popescu which is thefundamental problem with manhood. [05:29]
justJanne I've slept 3h and skipped 2 lectures -.- [05:29]
mircea_popescu justJanne so far you've not considered the part where it is already collapsing on its own, bnecause it doesn't work, because it's strictly based on getting lucky. [05:30]
mircea_popescu VERY lucky. [05:30]
BingoBoingo No wonder the Greeks are taking over the EU's jools [05:30]
justJanne True. [05:30]
mircea_popescu well, you need a system that works without assumptions. [05:31]
justJanne Germany can only have a positive state household by exploiting southern Europe. [05:31]
mircea_popescu sure, if you get a shitton of oil when oil's valuable / fish when fish is valuable etc, the "nordic model" is a great way to share it. [05:31]
justJanne Which is not a good thing. [05:31]
mircea_popescu what do you do when you don't ? [05:31]
williamdunne I'm impressed with how quick shes climbing the stats [05:31]
justJanne So, like you said, we need to reduce it. [05:31]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Share the dead bodies [05:31]
mircea_popescu williamdunne people generally don't wish to accept that nazism was absolutely unavoidable, FOR THIS REASON [05:32]
justJanne mircea_popescu: the Nordic model is possible without any valuable resources. [05:32]
justJanne As seen in places like Switzerland. [05:32]
mircea_popescu purely economic. as hitler actually pointed out : we don't have enough land to exploit. either we fight or "the way of life" has to change. [05:32]
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justJanne And the solution for that was: [05:32]
mircea_popescu justJanne are you kidding ? switzerland is exploiting a resource [05:32]
justJanne High tech industry. [05:32]
williamdunne mircea_popescu when you're willing to accept that theft is okay, how many more steps is murder? Europe and the US already murders vast quantities of people in Africa [05:32]
mircea_popescu banking, mostly. but the us raped them. [05:32]
justJanne True. [05:33]
mircea_popescu williamdunne "murder". in the immortal words of butch, "if he were a better boxer he'd still be alive" [05:33]
justJanne I'll brb [05:33]
mircea_popescu justJanne don't die over b-a hon. it's eternal, will be here when you're 69, too. [05:33]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: I largely agree, Africa doesn't have much going for it but I do think it stands a chance of doing a helluva lot better without various EU/US laws. [05:34]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne one of the most amusing things, to me, is that the entire "black domination" subtrend in porn is driven almost entirely by white men. [05:34]
mircea_popescu it's like... we're so far ahead of the curve, we will PRETEND to be playing all others' hands, too. because... w/e. [05:35]
williamdunne cuckold too [05:35]
mircea_popescu certainly. [05:35]
williamdunne But do you not think that without various shitty laws preventing any African from doing something other than eating dirt? [05:36]
williamdunne i.e AML bullshit, trade sanctions/restrictions etc [05:36]
mircea_popescu you vastly overrepresent their reach. [05:36]
mircea_popescu pretty much everyone in the civilised world (us and eu excluded) lives fine without ever touching those. [05:37]
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williamdunne Sure, but they put someone without money at a disadvantage [05:37]
williamdunne *further [05:38]
mircea_popescu but anyway, to round off the "social marketplace" thing : if one is to reclassify slave labour as "voluntaryism", which is undoubtedly erroneous but nevertheless coherent with the presupositions proposed, then sure, i am a champion of "the northern model" [05:38]
williamdunne Don't think we all should be equal in fairyland but creating additional barriers is about the equivalent of kicking a man while he is down [05:38]
mircea_popescu williamdunne someone without money has the disadvantage of not what to spend and the advantage of not having what to protect. [05:39]
williamdunne Ofc [05:40]
mircea_popescu you ever play cards ? [05:40]
williamdunne Only in the drunken manner, not the competitive [05:41]
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mircea_popescu mkay. so take poker. a very simple description of poker is that you can either play hooker or bluffer. to play hooker you need card superiority, and try to trick your opponent into paying. [05:41]
mircea_popescu to play bluffer you nbeed card inferiority, and try to trick your opponent into folding. [05:41]
mircea_popescu now, if one's afore-decided they will be bluffing, a) they won't make very good poker players and b) any hand they get can "put them at a disadvantage". [05:42]
mircea_popescu because it's not what they expected / wish to play / etc. [05:42]
mircea_popescu why should this matter ? play the fucking hand. you adjust to fit it, not the other way around. [05:42]
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williamdunne In this case its more like the bluffer having to play with a different set of superiority rules [05:44]
mircea_popescu how would that work ? does being rich change thermodynamics or something ? [05:44]
mircea_popescu rich man's bridge will collapse just like poor man's bridge will. [05:44]
mircea_popescu but yes, the set of rules that control the game are different for hookers and bluffers. for hookers, the rules that control are "A > K > Q" etc. [05:45]
mircea_popescu for bluffers, "you don't get to see my cards if you fold" [05:45]
mircea_popescu so yes, different. necessarily so. [05:45]
williamdunne Sure, but I don't think it's a very controversial idea that various rules such as the AML set put entire regions of people at a disadvantage [05:45]
mircea_popescu depends in what terms. [05:46]
williamdunne Well [05:46]
mircea_popescu obviously, if you refuse to trade with putin, this puts "putin as seen through our trade with him" at a disadvantage. [05:46]
mircea_popescu but then putin turns around, alligns with china economically in exchange for support for his "regions of eurasia" political model [05:46]
mircea_popescu and you're well fucked. [05:46]
williamdunne If I want to start a business in the UK, I can pretty easily sell my product wherever the fuck I want. Banks are willing to work with me, that will be fine. If I was from random-istan not so much [05:46]
mircea_popescu or, alternatively, you discontinue support for israel and so the saudis no longer have what to fear so they dump your alliance. [05:46]
mircea_popescu no, you can't. [05:47]
mircea_popescu try this. [05:47]
mircea_popescu you can't sell in randomistan anymore than randomistan can sell in the uk. [05:47]
williamdunne Well, various African shitholes don't help themselves and won't allow foreigners to open accounts [05:47]
williamdunne But this is their own fault [05:47]
mircea_popescu ... [05:47]
mircea_popescu but you see how this is entirely you calling things names ? [05:47]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Well yes, thats what I'm talking about but the reverse [05:47]
mircea_popescu from their pov it's backwards. [05:47]
mircea_popescu "oh, that's because uk shithole won't help itself and won't allow foreigners to whatever" [05:48]
mircea_popescu why do you think the empire's been going to shit for a century ? [05:48]
williamdunne Okay I see what you mean, but the UK needs it less [05:48]
mircea_popescu africa at least is more or less where it was in 1880. [05:48]
mircea_popescu the uk... god help it. no country in memory sunk as bad as they have. [05:48]
mircea_popescu germany's pretty much recovered, the uk will never recover. [05:49]
williamdunne Probably, then again we are largely responsible for modern socialism, so what do you expect? [05:49]
williamdunne London subsidises the rest of the country anyway [05:49]
mircea_popescu i dun expect, just putting things in perspective :) [05:49]
williamdunne Well, that was more directed at an onlooker [05:50]
williamdunne rather than you [05:50]
williamdunne But yeah [05:50]
mircea_popescu yeah they do, lmao, which is outright ridiculous. all good things are supposed to flow TO the city, not from it. [05:50]
mircea_popescu and even WITH all that huge expenditure, scotland wants more and nearly seceded. [05:50]
mircea_popescu which was one of the lulziest things i saw that year. [05:50]
williamdunne Precisely, I've been ranting far too often recently about how London should tell the rest of the UK to fuck off [05:50]
williamdunne Yes [05:50]
williamdunne I hoped they would do it [05:50]
williamdunne Remove one of the parasites [05:51]
mircea_popescu well, it can't. because the one remaining hanging nail on the historical uk is the coupla nuke subs the us allows them to keep [05:51]
mircea_popescu and they're in glasgow. [05:51]
mircea_popescu so.. [05:51]
mircea_popescu just pay the dizzy sluts more :D [05:51]
mircea_popescu which you know... scotland's going to oh so judiciously use [05:51]
williamdunne I would imagine that they'd be moved to Plymouth or Bristol or summin [05:51]
mircea_popescu btw, you familiar with the hilarious history of the scottish new world settlement thing ? [05:51]
williamdunne Nope, shall I have a google? [05:52]
mircea_popescu by all means. [05:52]
mircea_popescu top keks in there. [05:52]
mircea_popescu "darien scheme" [05:52]
justJanne Meh. [05:55]
justJanne I hope the UK leaves the EU. [05:55]
justJanne It would finally kill their economy [05:55]
mircea_popescu if they leave the eu they join the us. [05:56]
justJanne As their economy right now is "European companies open an Ltd in London" [05:56]
williamdunne "Returning to Edinburgh, the Company of Scotland for Trading to Africa raised £400,000 sterling in a few weeks (equivalent to roughly £46 million today),[b] with investments from every level of society, and totaling about a fifth of the wealth of Scotland.[7][8] It was, for Scotland, a massive amount of capital.[9]" [05:56]
mircea_popescu uk as an independent state is about as ludicrous today as the kingdom of scotland was in 1715 [05:56]
williamdunne justJanne: London actually matters [05:56]
williamdunne justJanne: Rest of the UK... not so much [05:56]
justJanne That's noticeable. [05:56]
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williamdunne But it likely won't matter nearly as much outside of EU [05:57]
mircea_popescu only matters because it's a relative tax heaven from the patently insane french (and german) communists. [05:57]
mircea_popescu 50% my foot. [05:57]
justJanne Outside of London, the average waiting time for an ambulance is 4 hours. [05:57]
justJanne Exactly. [05:57]
williamdunne Currently if you set up a financial company in the EU, the standard procedure is London [05:57]
justJanne Wait until the UK leaves, and their tax-haven-economy breaks down. [05:57]
mircea_popescu justJanne you know i pay 3% in romania. [05:57]
mircea_popescu also eu member. [05:57]
justJanne Yes. [05:57]
justJanne See? [05:57]
mircea_popescu there is NEVER going to be a way for the bs taxation of socialists to be enforced. ever. [05:58]
justJanne The tax haven will move to Romania, or Liechtenstein. [05:58]
justJanne But London will be piss poor. [05:58]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Wrote another article about that the other day, not too good though [05:58]
williamdunne justJanne: Yes, I agree if it leaves the EU [05:58]
williamdunne Gibraltar might be good [05:58]
williamdunne I could imagine a fair amount moving there [05:58]
justJanne Gibraltar is UK, would also leave. [05:58]
mircea_popescu might just as well move here. [05:58]
justJanne I hope the UK leaves the EU. [05:59]
mircea_popescu b,tmsro~ only charges 0.1% after all. [05:59]
justJanne So the Brits see the shit Cameron is doing. [05:59]
williamdunne justJanne: It could probably work its way in there either way, IoM for example is not EU dependent [05:59]
williamdunne justJanne: We can choose between Cameron or Labour, at least Cameron doesn't want to remove our main advantage.. being a tax haven [06:00]
justJanne Yup. FPTP sucks. [06:00]
williamdunne Proportional representation sucks worse [06:00]
williamdunne Thats how you get communists [06:00]
justJanne And? [06:00]
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justJanne You also get right-wingers, [06:00]
williamdunne And I like the current availability of toilet paper [06:01]
justJanne Liberals, and communists. [06:01]
justJanne At the same time. [06:01]
williamdunne My hand might be as soft as loo roll, but its not too hygienic [06:01]
justJanne At least parliament debates are fun with all of them at once. [06:01]
mircea_popescu lol [06:01]
mircea_popescu she has a point there. [06:01]
mircea_popescu that's how the shoe incidents happen [06:01]
williamdunne Indeed [06:01]
williamdunne lol [06:01]
justJanne And more democratic, cause the government won't risk ignoring the 7% people who voted liberals, nor the 7% who voted communist, as if they'd ignore them, those parties would just start a fight in Parliament. [06:02]
williamdunne The problem is the UK is mostly shit, as we have discussed. And the shit areas would be far more likely to vote Communist [06:02]
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williamdunne justJanne: Ignoring is the right action [06:02]
justJanne Nah. [06:03]
mircea_popescu depends which %. [06:03]
justJanne Let liberals and communists fight in parliament. [06:03]
mircea_popescu 99% of the 1%s you can ignore. the other 1%... [06:03]
justJanne The winner of the box fight gets to make a paw. [06:03]
justJanne *law [06:03]
trinque so you get an incomprehensible society [06:03]
mircea_popescu justJanne that there is an apparent need for new laws already invalidates the entire proposition of having a state in the first place. [06:03]
mircea_popescu either come up with a contract and stick to it, or go home. [06:04]
justJanne mircea_popescu: not really — most of the laws are adapting existing situations. [06:04]
mircea_popescu im not going for these ARM bankruptcy mortgage deals. [06:04]
mircea_popescu no. [06:04]
justJanne Yes? [06:04]
mircea_popescu either you have the whole contract written down, or i'm not signing. [06:04]
mircea_popescu and you don't get to have a state. [06:04]
mircea_popescu no parliament has the authority to make new law. ever. [06:04]
justJanne Again, if you want, you can move out. [06:04]
mircea_popescu no, you move out. [06:05]
justJanne Unless the majority is for a law. [06:05]
williamdunne If you don't move out of Germany I will rape you [06:05]
mircea_popescu i don't care if it's unanimity. [06:05]
mircea_popescu you're taking your stupid shit to somewhere not near me. [06:05]
justJanne Then the minority can decide if they want to move out or accept it. [06:05]
mircea_popescu mnope. [06:05]
mircea_popescu the majority can make sense or get lost. [06:05]
justJanne So start a rebellion. [06:05]
williamdunne In which case you get shot [06:06]
mircea_popescu and here we are. [06:06]
justJanne We'll see how it works out. Hint: it won't. [06:06]
mircea_popescu i've been in open rebellion for years now. [06:06]
justJanne Meh. [06:06]
mircea_popescu works just fine., [06:06]
mircea_popescu and if it doesn't, fuckall and i dun care. [06:06]
justJanne Open rebellion? [06:06]
justJanne So, you don't pay taxes or anything? [06:06]
williamdunne Public in other words [06:06]
justJanne Or do you support the parliament that, according to you, never should make new laws? [06:06]
williamdunne He pays taxes to the most serene republic IIRC [06:06]
mircea_popescu justJanne http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ < start there. [06:06]
williamdunne +1 [06:07]
williamdunne And then GPG contracts [06:07]
williamdunne Kinda explains the no-laws thing [06:07]
williamdunne http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ [06:08]
justJanne Ah, that kind of "I question your authority" letter. [06:08]
mircea_popescu but anyway : i, personally, pay no taxes. agents i own pay taxes in the jurisdictions i've incorporated them in, as you'd expect. [06:08]
mircea_popescu which is what the deal is. [06:08]
mircea_popescu and if the deal changes, they dissolve an' that's that. [06:08]
justJanne Ah. [06:08]
justJanne So, are you using roads? Water supply? [06:09]
williamdunne Pisses in rivers [06:09]
mircea_popescu i am buying access to anything i feel like. [06:09]
justJanne Do you use any public roads? [06:09]
justJanne I ask again. [06:09]
mircea_popescu certainly. [06:10]
justJanne Then you are committing theft. [06:10]
mircea_popescu according to whom ? [06:10]
justJanne As you stated before you aren't paying for them. [06:10]
williamdunne Retard [06:10]
williamdunne lol [06:10]
mircea_popescu are you commiting theft when those volunteer firemen come put your hair out ? [06:10]
justJanne No. [06:10]
williamdunne "Who will build the roads!11" [06:10]
mircea_popescu but you were extolling the virtues of not paying for their work a moment ago. [06:10]
justJanne But the roads in the country you live in are for you to use, in return you pay taxes. [06:10]
williamdunne If private companies can't build roads, they shouldn't exist [06:10]
mircea_popescu i don't recall signing this deal. [06:11]
williamdunne The state removed the market for them [06:11]
justJanne Ofc private companies can build roads. [06:11]
justJanne They do all the time. [06:11]
williamdunne Ok, well state enforced monopoly doesn't justify theft, no more than my ejaculate justifies rape [06:11]
mircea_popescu the notion that some govt owns the roads, seriously... [06:11]
justJanne A danish private company just builds a tunnel to Germany right now. [06:11]
mircea_popescu listen, is merkel paying you for using the public space ? [06:11]
williamdunne justJanne: Right, this is the point. We didn't choose for Gov to build roads and would pay tolls if owned by private companies [06:12]
justJanne See? [06:12]
williamdunne Well, I would [06:12]
justJanne Taxes are just tolls, too. [06:12]
mircea_popescu no. [06:12]
williamdunne No, they aren't [06:12]
justJanne Yes. [06:12]
mircea_popescu GOTTA SIGN A DEAL!11 [06:12]
justJanne No. [06:12]
mircea_popescu you don't get to foist some random "law" on me. [06:12]
justJanne There are implicit deals. [06:12]
mircea_popescu you come up with a deal, if i agree you get away with it. [06:12]
justJanne Like ToS. [06:12]
mircea_popescu no such thing. [06:12]
williamdunne I click "I agree to the ToS" [06:13]
justJanne Not always. [06:13]
williamdunne I don't click "I agree to give up 40% of my income" [06:13]
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mircea_popescu there.is.no.such.thing.as."implicit".deals. [06:13]
justJanne Did you click "I agree to Freenode"'s ToS, ever? [06:13]
williamdunne I drive onto a tollroad, pay them for that [06:13]
justJanne And still you are subject to them. [06:13]
mircea_popescu justJanne listen, you agree women that dress sluttily should be fucked byu whoever feels like ? [06:13]
mircea_popescu because hey, implicit deal. [06:13]
williamdunne ^+1 [06:13]
mircea_popescu they don't want the cock, they shouldn't have clicked the short skirt tos. [06:13]
justJanne Oh, THAT argument again. [06:13]
mircea_popescu we had it befoar ? [06:14]
justJanne Your argument is retarded. [06:14]
williamdunne Comparing freenode to government is a little ridiculous, don't you think? [06:14]
justJanne Please try to find another one. [06:14]
mircea_popescu looky : there are no implicit deals. ever. [06:14]
justJanne williamdunne: not really. [06:14]
williamdunne justJanne: yes, really [06:14]
justJanne How? [06:14]
williamdunne Freenode asks for nothing from me [06:14]
justJanne Yet. [06:14]
williamdunne And if they do I will move [06:15]
williamdunne If the deal changes.. [06:15]
justJanne See? [06:15]
williamdunne But moving from freenode is a click [06:15]
williamdunne Not a flight, not leaving family etc [06:15]
justJanne Same with countries. If the deal changes, you can move. [06:15]
williamdunne These two things are not the same [06:15]
justJanne Moving from Freenode isn't easy either. [06:15]
williamdunne Yes it is [06:15]
mircea_popescu whoever changes the deal moves. [06:15]
mircea_popescu not he who stayed true. [06:15]
justJanne You have to convince all your peers to move, too [06:15]
mircea_popescu government wants to change the rules, IT HAS TO MOVE. [06:15]
justJanne All your friends, channels, etc. [06:16]
justJanne Or leave them behind. [06:16]
williamdunne I have to convince people to make some clicks, not hard if freenode implements a tax [06:16]
justJanne depends. [06:16]
justJanne Look at whatsapp. [06:16]
justJanne They introduced a "tax" [06:16]
justJanne And people still stayed there. [06:16]
justJanne It's a similar situation. [06:16]
williamdunne Very different userbase [06:17]
trinque the fuck whatsapp is a government now [06:17]
trinque stahhhhhp [06:17]
williamdunne Apparently [06:17]
mircea_popescu the fact that someone did something stupid does not make the stupid thing right. [06:17]
justJanne You want governments to sign contracts with all citizen, what's more realistic? [06:17]
williamdunne Apparently moving IRC servers and tos are equivalent to the violent rule of gov [06:17]
mircea_popescu and what "the people" do or don't do is no basis for either law or sense. [06:17]
mircea_popescu justJanne it's not a matter of "realistic" [06:17]
justJanne It is the only basis. [06:17]
mircea_popescu according to whom ? [06:17]
justJanne According to every not-retarded politician, ever? [06:18]
mircea_popescu the only realistic thing is to eat raw meat and dress in dead children. [06:18]
mircea_popescu nutty bs. who ever asked any politician anything for crying out loud. [06:18]
justJanne All politicians who said the opposite ended up as dictators. [06:18]
williamdunne mm kinda [06:18]
williamdunne https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/98/91/41/989141191ba1fcd499973dc4fec66f10.jpg [06:18]
mircea_popescu what are you, going through the non sequitur book in order ? [06:18]
justJanne -.- [06:18]
justJanne Guys, please take some college courses in economy, politics, and philosophy. [06:19]
mircea_popescu "ima call anyone that doesn't promote socialism a dictator and then say that not being socialist makes dictators" [06:19]
mircea_popescu sure, it does. well done. [06:19]
mircea_popescu might as well have the same argument about believing in christ and move to 1555 to be a nun. [06:19]
williamdunne I want no leaders = dictator [06:19]
justJanne It's hard to argue with you when you ask the same questions over and over again, and just goalpost all he time [06:19]
davout justJanne: you sure have lots of stamina points [06:19]
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williamdunne davout: she's burning mana for the energy regen spell [06:20]
mircea_popescu justJanne the reason it is hard to argue is because the list of places where your ideas fail is about eighteen entries long by now, and you're not directly interested in examining the holes and fixing your head, but instead would prefer us to somehow accept the nonsense. [06:20]
mircea_popescu try the other tack, it'll go a lot easier. [06:20]
justJanne There are holes, but the result still works better than any alternative. [06:21]
justJanne Again, I have no issue with your system. [06:21]
justJanne If you want, you can try it as a state. [06:21]
justJanne Declare independency, make your own laws. [06:21]
williamdunne We're already doing so [06:21]
williamdunne *Have done [06:21]
williamdunne Well [06:21]
mircea_popescu this is kinda old by now, but yes. [06:21]
justJanne We'll see in 30 years how it ends. [06:21]
williamdunne I say we, I'm not involved [06:21]
mircea_popescu if there's still a germany in 30 years, it may see how itshould behave and copy us, yes. [06:21]
williamdunne justJanne: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt [06:22]
mircea_popescu if there isn't, a well. you're lucky enough to have come in early. [06:22]
justJanne In other news, [06:22]
williamdunne justJanne: Declaration of sovereignty [06:22]
justJanne Denmark stopped printing cash last week. [06:22]
mircea_popescu williamdunne quick : what's the difference between "Declaration of sovereignty" and "Declaration of independence" ? [06:22]
justJanne From 2017 on, Denmark plans to do everything via digital money transfers. [06:22]
trinque where's danielpbarron, it's the mark of the beast [06:22]
justJanne No matter how, or using what currency. [06:22]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: No clue, tbh [06:22]
mircea_popescu the latter recognises the sovereignty of the entity it secedes from. the former does not. [06:23]
williamdunne Ah, well I prefer the former in this case then [06:23]
mircea_popescu which is how it got to be htere. [06:23]
mircea_popescu justJanne you know i use cash almost exclusively ? [06:23]
mircea_popescu funny to do here, too, a brick is worth like 800 bucks or so. [06:24]
davout justJanne: btw, how did you end up here? [06:24]
mircea_popescu hn [06:24]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Wondered, can you not get a lot more for your money if you pay with USD? Or would that get you shot? [06:25]
justJanne davout: discussion about RSA, tbh. [06:25]
mircea_popescu williamdunne official dollar is 8.6 pesos, unoficcial like 13. [06:25]
mircea_popescu amusingly enough, they pay like 10% less for 20 dollar bills. only want 100s. [06:25]
mircea_popescu which iirc don't even exist in the us. [06:25]
williamdunne Wait what? [06:26]
mircea_popescu yup [06:26]
williamdunne Are they official mintage or..? [06:26]
mircea_popescu yup. [06:26]
williamdunne Sorta like the £1,000,000 note in the UK I guess [06:26]
justJanne mircea_popescu: in Denmark, almost all transfers are digital anyway. As the official system is cheaper, faster, and easier than bitcoin even. [06:26]
BingoBoingo which iirc don't even exist in the us. << 100's still exist here [06:26]
mircea_popescu and reported. i would never use it. [06:26]
williamdunne justJanne: well ofc [06:26]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo forcing a point. [06:27]
williamdunne justJanne: bitcoin isn't that cheap or fast [06:27]
williamdunne Well, it is currently pretty cheap and fast [06:27]
williamdunne But it shouldn't be compared to centralized systems [06:27]
mircea_popescu the idea that i'd allow a third party to look into my accounts... what the fuck is this, the future ? [06:27]
williamdunne Thats just the derpery of governments [06:27]
BingoBoingo It prolly won't bee too long before they bring back 100,000 bills with the Woodrow Wilson and everything [06:27]
justJanne They aren't really centralized either. [06:27]
justJanne More like a web of hundreds of central points [06:27]
mircea_popescu that's centralized. [06:28]
justJanne While bitcoin has millions of nodes. [06:28]
williamdunne Central bank decentralized now? [06:28]
justJanne Denmark has no digital central bank — the money flows from node to node. [06:28]
trinque the point is the fucking records [06:28]
justJanne I can send money to another merchant without it ever touching a bank [06:28]
trinque not how many buildings they have [06:28]
mircea_popescu i don't think you understand what centralized-decentralized mean. [06:28]
justJanne Just because my money is only a cryptographic signature on my credit card. [06:29]
williamdunne justJanne: How is current issuance handled then? Banks trusted to issue their authorised balance? [06:29]
williamdunne I know in the UK it works with central bank reserve/payment accounts [06:29]
williamdunne Which all settlement systems are built on top of [06:29]
justJanne Kinda. [06:29]
justJanne The thing is, the reason why German debit cards don't work in any other place, [06:30]
williamdunne Just another meta layer [06:30]
justJanne Is because they store the money as a cryptographically signed transaction history on the card. [06:30]
trinque how about less this bullshit and more on the definition of centralized vs decentralized [06:30]
mircea_popescu im really curious what'll come of this. [06:31]
mircea_popescu clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ? [06:31]
trinque been all day [06:32]
mircea_popescu what is it, 1k by now ? [06:32]
mircea_popescu 545. nevertheless a record i think ? [06:32]
williamdunne From the frequency of messages don't think she even read the GPG contracts etc, let alone historical logs [06:33]
justJanne Hmm. [06:34]
justJanne I wonder how much calculation power it would take to break 4096-bit RSA. [06:34]
mircea_popescu williamdunne skimming, it's how intelligent kids end up coping with school. [06:34]
mircea_popescu horrible habit, but what are yo ugoing to do. [06:35]
mircea_popescu can't shoot the retards amirite. [06:35]
williamdunne I've been trying to break that habit, think I'm about there [06:35]
justJanne I mean, a startup in my city sells FPGA clusters that can be used for that (or for crypto mining), and the NSA bought 256 clusters, each should be enough to break AES256 in 2 weeks. [06:35]
trinque we're not gonna get a definition of centralized/decentralized [06:35]
justJanne decentralized is a system where all nodes are equal. [06:36]
williamdunne Too much effort for her to google [06:36]
williamdunne .. [06:36]
justJanne It's as easy as that. [06:36]
mircea_popescu it's not, no. [06:36]
justJanne Yes, it is. [06:36]
williamdunne Are all nodes in bitcoin equal? News to me [06:36]
mircea_popescu justJanne da fuck do you mean "yes it is". [06:37]
mircea_popescu what do you take yourself for, some sort of equal or something ? [06:37]
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justJanne Any homogenous graph is decentralized. [06:37]
mircea_popescu that's true for graphs. [06:37]
justJanne Every web of nodes is just a graph. [06:37]
mircea_popescu but in graph theory, decentralized is a term of art. [06:37]
mircea_popescu no, it's not. because the map is not the territory. [06:37]
justJanne A web of nodes is a graph, as a graph, per definition, is just a set of nodes, and a set of relations between nodes. [06:38]
mircea_popescu do you understand what "the map is not the territory" means ? [06:38]
trinque what's the command structure of the society within which your decentralized banks operate? [06:38]
justJanne The banks aren't either fully centralized, nor fully decentralized. Anyone can just open a bank, the question is if other banks will accept money from your customers as payment, as they don't know if they can trust your cryptographic signature. [06:39]
trinque the fuck is this where they're both or neither [06:39]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [06:40]
williamdunne "anyone can just open a bank" < or rly? [06:40]
justJanne It's the same as minimum and smallest, two completely different definitions. [06:40]
mircea_popescu so what is "Danmarks Nationalbank" then ? [06:41]
justJanne I'm currently talking about northern Germany, as I don't know the internals of Denmark, it's the same, though. [06:41]
justJanne There is a difference between the printed money and and the way digital money works. [06:41]
trinque the whole EU sounds like what they do in portland tech companies [06:41]
trinque where everyone smiles and no one's like, your boss, man [06:42]
justJanne GeldKarte is one example. [06:42]
mircea_popescu you don't know but it's the same ? [06:42]
justJanne Person A can pay person B, person B can pay person C [06:42]
trinque the banks are totally decentralized because they've got various sub-departments of some huge central authority [06:42]
justJanne All this while they are completely offline. [06:42]
mircea_popescu trinque depends who's describing it ya know ? [06:42]
justJanne Okay, again, please listen. [06:42]
trinque of course [06:42]
trinque mircea_popescu: ^ [06:42]
justJanne Imagine we have 3 people, completely offline. [06:42]
mircea_popescu okay. [06:43]
justJanne A pays person B money. [06:43]
justJanne Person B pays person C money. [06:43]
justJanne (All through GeldKarte) [06:43]
mircea_popescu which is offline throughout. [06:43]
justJanne yes. [06:43]
mircea_popescu go on. [06:43]
justJanne Person C now goes online and can spend the money. [06:43]
mircea_popescu what happens in the following scenario : [06:43]
justJanne You can transfer money offline, and it is valid. [06:44]
mircea_popescu b has no money. a gives him 100 moneys. b sends 100 money to C and 100 money to D. [06:44]
mircea_popescu can c and d each now spend 100 ? [06:44]
justJanne No. [06:44]
mircea_popescu because ? [06:44]
justJanne They can't spend anything, as the last two statements are invalid. [06:44]
justJanne You have at the beginning 0 money. [06:44]
mircea_popescu show, don't tell. [06:44]
williamdunne Thats pretty impractical [06:45]
justJanne Your card stores a list of cryptographically signed money from the sender. [06:45]
mircea_popescu justJanne yes. so i copy that list and send money to 500 people [06:45]
justJanne So, I send you money, by sending you a cryptographically signed info "I sent you n money" [06:45]
justJanne You can't. [06:45]
mircea_popescu because why not ? [06:45]
justJanne Copying is prevented through unique salts for each transaction. [06:46]
mircea_popescu derp. [06:46]
mircea_popescu if i can send money to either a or b [06:46]
mircea_popescu then necessarily i can send to both. so i do. what now. [06:46]
punkman justJanne: I mean, a startup in my city sells FPGA clusters that can be used for that (or for crypto mining), and the NSA bought 256 clusters, each should be enough to break AES256 in 2 weeks. << lolwut [06:46]
justJanne Then the last person receiving it won't be able to use it. [06:46]
mircea_popescu i'll tell you what now : whoever gets first online spends it. [06:46]
williamdunne justJanne: Do you have a paper or something for this? [06:46]
punkman GeldKarte > "This system is protected against double-spending by not allowing the user to read the keys from their smart card." [06:46]
mircea_popescu the other fails, the bank gets alerted that this was copied and the police shows up [06:46]
mircea_popescu denmark has got a stupid, centralist bitcoin. [06:46]
justJanne Yup. [06:47]
justJanne It existed 10 years before bitcoin, though. [06:47]
williamdunne Oh [06:47]
mircea_popescu it will never work. the only reason its not being raped wide open is because atm nobody gives a shit about swine country. [06:47]
williamdunne Nevermind, I'll ignore the paper that is derpy [06:47]
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williamdunne Can you use this card for luxury purchases? [06:47]
punkman " Funds cannot move freely within the system. They can move from a bank account (or cash) to a Geldkarte. From there, they can only be moved to a merchant's card and from the merchant's card, they can only go to the merchant's bank account." [06:47]
mircea_popescu punkman because this can be done now. [06:47]
justJanne that's an old article then. [06:47]
williamdunne i.e cars, jewellery etc [06:47]
justJanne Or it was a different system. [06:48]
justJanne Because we have so many different debit card companies >_> [06:48]
mircea_popescu justJanne odds are you just had a superificial understanding of it. [06:48]
williamdunne Which surely rely on banks [06:48]
justJanne GeldKarte, EC Karte, etc. [06:48]
justJanne so, williamdunne, your question: [06:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, denmark is probably the best example of usistan. "The worlds largest public sector (30% of the entire workforce on a full-time basis) is financed by the world's highest taxes." [06:49]
justJanne The company is SciEngines GmbH (they have a Wikipedia article) [06:49]
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trinque man... justJanne you have recalibrated me for tolerating canadians [06:50]
mircea_popescu lmao [06:50]
justJanne mircea_popescu: the Nordics still pay about the same taxes as the US, but you get free healthcare, free college, welfare, and an almost unregulated market. [06:51]
justJanne You pay like 6% more. [06:51]
mircea_popescu justJanne how much have you travelled ? outside of the eu i mean [06:51]
justJanne Definitely worth it. [06:51]
justJanne I haven't travelled outside EU yet. Never had the money to do so. [06:51]
justJanne Parents aren't exactly rich xD [06:51]
mircea_popescu aha. well the thing is, the books you read are kinda deliberately written so as to make you think you're in the best possible place. [06:52]
mircea_popescu what are you doing this summer ? [06:52]
justJanne (And no, without free college I couldn't go to university.) [06:52]
justJanne This summer? I'll work on several open source projects, like the IRC client I use right now. [06:52]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes trinque hey lot, if i buy her plane tickets do you show her portland ? a week or so ? [06:53]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine she takes up much space. [06:53]
trinque ha sure why not [06:53]
mircea_popescu justJanne you wanna go ? [06:53]
justJanne Nah thanks, don't wanna go into a country where anyone can be declared terrorist and stripped of their rights [06:54]
williamdunne justJanne: Don't need university [06:54]
trinque portland would be too capitalist for her [06:54]
justJanne (Yes, the laws in Germany apply to all "people", not just citizens) [06:54]
trinque there should be a lot less citizens. [06:54]
justJanne Already happening. [06:55]
justJanne Germany has a child per family rate of 1.4 [06:55]
mircea_popescu interesting. [06:55]
justJanne So far below the replacement rate of 2.25 [06:55]
justJanne All the Nordics have 1.4, too [06:55]
mircea_popescu clearly the system works and is sustainable. [06:55]
justJanne Automatically shrinking the population to a point where it is sustainable. [06:55]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [06:56]
williamdunne Yes, plenty of children to pay for their communist parents [06:56]
trinque I don't buy it [06:56]
mircea_popescu or to a point where the muslims can just come in and rape you stupid lot into shape., [06:56]
mircea_popescu either way [06:56]
justJanne They are already here. [06:58]
justJanne 19% of the population are foreigners and migrants [06:58]
mircea_popescu how's the female circumcision factor ? [06:59]
justJanne Approx 0 [07:00]
justJanne You don't get it without a degree and a guarantee for a job, and the circumcised people rarely have the qualifications anyway [07:00]
justJanne *don't get in [07:00]
mircea_popescu http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/female-circumcision-now-a-growing-problem-in-germany/2013/02/06/ [07:01]
mircea_popescu Germany is home to at least 24,000 women from African countries who've undergone female circumcision (as reported by DW in 2004) [07:01]
mircea_popescu prolly 100k by now ? [07:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55299 @ 0.00028957 = 16.0129 BTC [+] [07:02]
chetty ouch, you makes me squirm [07:02]
justJanne Not really. [07:02]
justJanne Almost no immigration since then. [07:02]
justJanne The largest wave of immigration was in the 70s and 80s [07:02]
justJanne So, 24 thousand immigrants are mutilated. [07:02]
justJanne And we pay them free healthcare to fix it. [07:03]
williamdunne How do you fix it? [07:03]
mircea_popescu o you're gonna fix it ? [07:03]
mircea_popescu damn i like the nordic model more and more [07:03]
mircea_popescu williamdunne shut up they're fixing it. [07:03]
justJanne That's no a problem. [07:03]
williamdunne Sorry Charles about hacking your head off, I'll stitch it back on in just a jiffy! Universal healthcare ftw [07:03]
mircea_popescu chetty imagine, that's like a quarter ton of bits ? [07:03]
justJanne Ofc it is shit. [07:04]
mircea_popescu justJanne maybe it's good for you, how do you know ? [07:04]
mircea_popescu i thought all people should have equal chances. [07:04]
justJanne But again, those are immigrants — they moved here decades after they were mutilated. [07:04]
mircea_popescu and you know this the same way it was 0, right ? [07:04]
justJanne No. [07:04]
justJanne But I know this because your quote and your article say it. [07:04]
justJanne People, immigrants, from African countries, who got mutilated and then moved here [07:05]
justJanne So no, it's not a German issue. We still try to do our best to fix the mistakes someone else did. [07:05]
davout the logs are soon going to be harder to catch up on than the very fucking blockchain [07:06]
williamdunne Have you looked at name-first log synchronization? [07:06]
mircea_popescu davout we just made larger logblocks, how you like it ? [07:06]
mircea_popescu justJanne didn't you say all people should be equal ? [07:06]
davout well, adoption is on the rise, so what can i say [07:06]
mircea_popescu how are these migrants any worse than you ? [07:06]
mircea_popescu maybe you should try the mutilation thing. [07:06]
williamdunne Socialism to me does seem a lot like the "no kid left behind" school bullshit that appeals to the lowest common denominator and lowers the median [07:07]
justJanne You got it wrong. [07:07]
mircea_popescu in any case the poor girls without the bits can't grow them back up, so in order for everyone to have equal chances at an orgasm, off with your clit! [07:07]
justJanne It lowers the average, but increases the median [07:08]
mircea_popescu and because the government can alter the deal, here, it's a new law now. [07:08]
mircea_popescu enjoy socialism! [07:08]
williamdunne justJanne: Median is average [07:08]
justJanne No. [07:08]
justJanne Average is the sum divided by the amount. [07:08]
mircea_popescu she has a point. it does lower the average but increase the median [07:08]
mircea_popescu which is EXACTLY what the problem is. [07:08]
justJanne Median is the middle person. [07:08]
mircea_popescu places with high medians are places not worth living in. [07:08]
justJanne That's what you think. [07:09]
mircea_popescu the entire point of life is diferentiation from the median. [07:09]
mircea_popescu of course it is, that's why i say it. [07:09]
justJanne I think places with low median aren't worth living in. [07:09]
williamdunne http://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm [07:09]
mircea_popescu the difference being that this isn't what you think, [07:09]
mircea_popescu just what you've been told to think. [07:09]
justJanne williamdunne: please take stochastics 101 at a university, [07:10]
justJanne You'll know what mean and average are. [07:10]
mircea_popescu stochastics 101 o.O ?! [07:10]
mircea_popescu this actually is a thing ?! [07:10]
williamdunne Sounds like a musician "Stoch" [07:10]
justJanne Introduction into stochastic, yeah. [07:10]
williamdunne And he's German most likely [07:10]
williamdunne So it fits [07:10]
justJanne Theoretical statistics. [07:11]
mircea_popescu but this in physics ? as in, stochastics mechanics ? [07:11]
mircea_popescu oh. [07:11]
justJanne No. [07:11]
williamdunne "Did you see Stoch's latest concert? It was Stochastic!" [07:11]
mircea_popescu so statistics 101 ? [07:11]
justJanne No. [07:11]
justJanne Statistics is different. [07:11]
mircea_popescu can you link the course ? [07:11]
justJanne I'm on mobile, sadly no. [07:11]
justJanne Also, it would be in German anyway. [07:11]
mircea_popescu !s kiel [07:12]
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mircea_popescu you may not speak french, but i do read german nooblet. [07:12]
mircea_popescu http://www.math.uni-kiel.de/numerik/kallsen/lehre/ss-2015/sem-sto-finmath/sem-sto-finmath.php this ? [07:12]
justJanne Nah. [07:13]
justJanne That's a master module. [07:13]
mircea_popescu ikr ? [07:13]
justJanne Uni Köln has a nice transcript. [07:13]
justJanne The mathematicians in Kiel still refuse to use calculators or computers. [07:13]
mircea_popescu i thought you went to kiel. [07:13]
justJanne I do. [07:13]
justJanne But Kiel's mathematicians refuse to put anything on the public web. [07:14]
justJanne You can get it if you are in their intranet, though. [07:14]
mircea_popescu lol [07:14]
williamdunne setup a proxy to the intranet [07:14]
justJanne They have. [07:14]
williamdunne No a public one [07:14]
justJanne Nope. [07:14]
mircea_popescu what, you want her to end up in aaron schwartz's cell ? [07:15]
justJanne As access to the intranet is bound through X.509 to a user account [07:15]
williamdunne A university dedicate to not sharing information, not very socialist of them [07:15]
justJanne Anyway, we are going way off topic. [07:15]
williamdunne Yes, we should be discussing bitcoin assets [07:15]
davout justJanne: for like 12 hours now... [07:16]
justJanne Not that far. [07:16]
mircea_popescu speaking of the broke ass pki, http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/a-look-at-the-gnutls-x-509-verification-code-flaw/ [07:16]
justJanne Anyway, why are we still arguing? I said I have no issue with you trying to build your state system, I just don't believe it will last, and you guys spending 14h trying to convince me the system I like most is shit. [07:17]
mircea_popescu the problem isn't that we're going "off topic", as there isn't a topic. the problem is that you very badly suck at most verbal and cognitive tasks. but hopefully we've run the gamut by now. [07:18]
chetty I havent read the whole log but I am curious, is anyone trying to convince, or just stating facts? [07:18]
justJanne Mostly stating facts. [07:18]
davout *ahem* [07:18]
justJanne Mostly. [07:19]
mircea_popescu most of the discussion flows as "comonly held belief 1" "why" "because 2" "why" "because 3" why" "because 1.1" etc [07:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, nothing a summer's worth of lurk moar can't fix. [07:19]
justJanne The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions. [07:19]
williamdunne Thats what happens when you talk to a group of people [07:20]
mircea_popescu we suck at being a cult. [07:20]
justJanne And combined, these people's opinions would cancel each other our. [07:20]
justJanne *out [07:20]
mircea_popescu is it ? [07:20]
williamdunne Ey? [07:20]
justJanne Yes. [07:20]
trinque we are all different forces on different vectors and we cancel out? [07:21]
justJanne Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for the decisions of their ancestors, they can even be punished for them. [07:21]
justJanne Some others said taxes are bad, because you personally aren't responsible for them. [07:21]
justJanne Combined, the statements are nuts. [07:21]
williamdunne Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for the decisions of their ancestors, they can even be punished for them. <<< who actually said this, I'm curious about the justification [07:22]
mircea_popescu justJanne the impression you get comes from you observing what's being said with too broad a brush. [07:22]
justJanne williamdunne: it was used as defense against my argument that "children should have equal chances, no matter if their parents are poor or rich" [07:23]
mircea_popescu for instance, i didn't say people should be punished for what ancestors did. you conflated two statements : 1) that you can't expect me to pay for the poor behaviour of one's ancestors and 2) that i punish people by what they are rather than they wish to be. [07:23]
williamdunne What was the actual answer, because not giving them equal chances is very different [07:23]
justJanne Because I said "people aren't responsible for the actions of their ancestors" [07:23]
mircea_popescu these have precise and rather subtle meanings, is all. [07:23]
justJanne So, people should be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors. [07:24]
williamdunne Yeah thats what I expected [07:24]
williamdunne No [07:24]
mircea_popescu there's a difference between punishment and responsibility. [07:24]
justJanne But they shouldn't. [07:24]
mircea_popescu moreover, the situation where you're poor because daddy was a drunk is neither your punishment nor your responsibility. [07:24]
mircea_popescu it is, merely, YOUR SITUATION. [07:24]
mircea_popescu improve it and that's that. [07:24]
williamdunne We're not all equal, but I don't want to make it worse for you [07:24]
justJanne Okay, so, mircea_popescu, taxes are the same [07:24]
mircea_popescu the same needs two operands. [07:24]
justJanne The situation that you live in a place with taxes is neither your punishment nor you'd responsibility. [07:25]
justJanne It is, merely, Your situation. [07:25]
williamdunne Yes it is [07:25]
mircea_popescu i don't live in a place owned by someone else. [07:25]
williamdunne Its a punishment [07:25]
williamdunne Its an active force [07:25]
justJanne How so? [07:25]
mircea_popescu what do you mean "how" ? [07:25]
williamdunne If you don't pay someone rapes you [07:25]
justJanne Where is the difference between having to pay the debts of your parents [07:25]
williamdunne If you're poor.. you can't do something, but nothing actually happens [07:25]
justJanne And having to pay taxes. [07:25]
williamdunne Who says you pay your parents debt? [07:25]
mircea_popescu the debts of your parents is a novel development, wasn't discussed before. [07:25]
justJanne It is part of the poor debate. [07:26]
mircea_popescu apparently it's not. [07:26]
williamdunne No it isn't, no one should inherit debt [07:26]
justJanne May those debts be monetary, or indirect. [07:26]
mircea_popescu you don't get to call any negative number "a debt" [07:26]
justJanne williamdunne: and what is with indirect debt? [07:26]
mircea_popescu the word has a specific meaning. [07:26]
williamdunne What are we calling indirect debt? [07:26]
justJanne When your parents are so piss poor you have to work as a child to not starve. [07:27]
williamdunne Thats a lack of a think [07:27]
williamdunne Debt is a thing you have [07:27]
williamdunne Not a lack of a thing [07:27]
justJanne Debt is a responsibility of having to pay, yes. [07:27]
justJanne But for the person, it is the same. [07:27]
williamdunne No, it isn't [07:28]
mircea_popescu so a bottle and a penis are, for a flatworm, "the same" [07:28]
mircea_popescu doesn't mean you can run around sticking bottles up your ass. [07:28]
justJanne Okay, back then. [07:28]
chetty When your parents are so piss poor you have to work as a child to not starve.// some might consider that an advantage [07:28]
justJanne If you think so. [07:28]
justJanne Thing is, of you have to work and can't go to school, [07:28]
justJanne You lose something due to the bad choices of your parents. [07:28]
williamdunne Did me good [07:29]
mircea_popescu justJanne you lose something, gain something else. [07:29]
justJanne williamdunne: it shows. It shows very much. [07:29]
mircea_popescu that's the way it goes. if you have children, you lose your juvenile figure. [07:29]
mircea_popescu if you don't, you don't have children. [07:29]
justJanne It's not the same. [07:29]
justJanne The question here is: [07:29]
justJanne Why is inheriting debts different? [07:29]
justJanne You said inheriting debts shouldn't be a thing. [07:30]
mircea_popescu because debt flows from a contrat. [07:30]
mircea_popescu and a contract can only be enforced by its parties. [07:30]
justJanne But inheriting money is okay? [07:30]
williamdunne Yes [07:30]
mircea_popescu what problem do you see with it ? [07:30]
trinque also a contract [07:30]
justJanne And what about inheriting stocks? [07:30]
williamdunne No one enforces inheritance, its not a contract [07:30]
williamdunne give it away [07:30]
williamdunne justJanne: Stocks with liability? [07:30]
mircea_popescu stocks don't carry liability, nor have they ever. [07:31]
justJanne Most stocks are a contract saying that you pay money, in return get a part of the profits and the power over a company. [07:31]
justJanne But the contract is specifically signed to you. [07:31]
mircea_popescu no. stocks are a contract saying that you PAID money, [07:31]
mircea_popescu and forevermore get a share of the company. [07:31]
justJanne Yes. [07:31]
williamdunne derp on my part [07:31]
justJanne But the contract is again bound to you. [07:31]
mircea_popescu they are negotiable instruments, just like any other. [07:31]
justJanne So, the question is, should inheriting these contracts be possible? [07:32]
mircea_popescu the contract is not inherited. [07:32]
mircea_popescu it is conveyed. [07:32]
justJanne And if yes, why are they so different from debt contracts? [07:32]
williamdunne Liability [07:32]
justJanne And what about inverse debt? [07:32]
justJanne You lend someone money. You die. [07:33]
* mircea_popescu perceives the deep, faint marks of ancient saxon legal strictures in the girl's attempt. [07:33]
justJanne Can your children force the person to pay? [07:33]
mircea_popescu fascinating what cultural nationality turns out to be. [07:33]
mircea_popescu justJanne depends how the contract was worded. [07:33]
mircea_popescu is it assignable ? have you assigned it to them ? [07:33]
justJanne So, then debt is only inheritable in some cases? [07:33]
mircea_popescu debt is never inheritable. [07:33]
justJanne This creates an issue with williamdunne's comment. [07:34]
justJanne Because either contracts are inheritable, or they are not. [07:34]
williamdunne justJanne: No it doesn't, you know I meant debt as if in the liability not the asset [07:34]
mircea_popescu the fact that i convey a claim against you to him does not mean he inherited it from me. [07:34]
mircea_popescu it merely means i conveyed it to him. [07:34]
justJanne Debt as a liability and debt as an asset have to be treated the same. [07:34]
williamdunne No, they don't [07:34]
mircea_popescu i'm not even sure what that aims to mean. [07:35]
justJanne So, again, [07:35]
justJanne We have a contract between two parties. [07:35]
mircea_popescu right. [07:35]
justJanne One party can give the contract to another person, [07:35]
justJanne But the other party is always bound to it? [07:35]
justJanne That sounds very unfair. [07:35]
mircea_popescu if the contract is so phrased, yes. [07:35]
mircea_popescu hey, lex pacta. you can make a contract say whatever you wish it to say [07:35]
justJanne No, you can't. [07:36]
mircea_popescu the counterpart being that you can never impose a contract on anyone. [07:36]
justJanne If the contract is worded so that it provides and obvious disadvantage for one party, it is void. [07:36]
mircea_popescu well obviously i can. [07:36]
mircea_popescu not here. [07:36]
justJanne In most of the world, yes. [07:36]
justJanne For good reason. [07:36]
mircea_popescu irrelevant. [07:36]
justJanne No. [07:36]
williamdunne Yes. [07:37]
mircea_popescu in most of the world (defined as africa), females must have their bits cut off. [07:37]
trinque dear god europe allows "it's not fair" to dissolve contracts? [07:37]
mircea_popescu so what of it. the most of the world can go hang. [07:37]
davout cat freenode_#bitcoin-assets_2015051* | grep justJanne | wc -l [07:37]
justJanne Just because the legal system of The most serene dictatorship was written by amateurs doesn't mean it's good. [07:37]
davout 967 [07:37]
davout oO [07:37]
mircea_popescu trinque german law, yes. [07:37]
justJanne trinque: most European law, yes. [07:37]
mircea_popescu justJanne just because you think yourself equal to things you don't understand doesn't make 'em so :D [07:37]
mircea_popescu davout you got a bet ? [07:38]
justJanne I took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm talking about ;P [07:38]
mircea_popescu tbh the best part was where she didn't wanna take a trip to the us because satan lives there. [07:38]
davout mircea_popescu: howso? [07:38]
mircea_popescu readthelogs.pdf [07:38]
davout i have, pls to link [07:39]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138739 [07:39]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 09:49:23; mircea_popescu: justJanne you wanna go ? [07:39]
mircea_popescu amusingly enough, we agree. i don't visit the us for the exact same reasons. [07:39]
mircea_popescu clearly those undergrad classes are paying off. [07:40]
justJanne Yes, they do. [07:40]
davout i was referring to "davout you got a bet ?" [07:40]
chetty I took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm talking about ;P//OH MY [07:40]
mircea_popescu oh oh. i got that, too. [07:40]
* davout puts ms office paperclip costume on [07:40]
davout "DID YOU MEAN, 'A BED' ?" [07:40]
justJanne Most other people would have fallen for your propagandistic claims. [07:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26963 @ 0.00029017 = 7.8239 BTC [+] {2} [07:40]
* williamdunne tips fedora [07:41]
mircea_popescu davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138620 [07:41]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 09:27:49; mircea_popescu: clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ? [07:41]
davout oic [07:42]
mircea_popescu justJanne wait wut ? [07:42]
davout i kind of expected more tbh [07:42]
mircea_popescu 1k's not bad. [07:42]
davout yea, i probably suck at such estimates [07:42]
williamdunne “Just to be clear, I’m not a professional ‘politician’. I’m just a german teenager who greatly values her intelligence and political fact over any silly idea conjured up some years ago. This being said, I am open to any and all criticism. [07:43]
williamdunne ‘In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any popescu’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence and state-funded education system.’" [07:43]
davout i have like less than half this for may [07:43]
mircea_popescu and, in a fascinating turn of what sexism really is, remember that one time when ben_vulpes had a friend over, about the same age, about the same ideas and i bit his head off ? [07:43]
mircea_popescu apparently it pays being female. [07:43]
mircea_popescu williamdunne wait wut ? [07:43]
justJanne The issue is that most women prefer social stability over the chance to get rich. [07:43]
mircea_popescu this is not an issue, for as long as they understand that this is ok for them and unpleasant for others. [07:44]
mircea_popescu and they wear heels. [07:44]
justJanne Most people here agree on this, though. [07:44]
mircea_popescu this=? [07:44]
justJanne The stuff most women prefer in general, [07:44]
mircea_popescu dun make those statements, they're stupid things for stupid people. here, this, blah. [07:44]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139014 [07:45]
williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139030 [07:45]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 10:34:24; justJanne: I took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm talking about ;P [07:45]
justJanne Is preferred by most of society here. [07:45]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 10:36:43; justJanne: Most other people would have fallen for your propagandistic claims. [07:45]
justJanne Anyway, [07:45]
justJanne Interestingly, you should read about the veil of ignorance. [07:45]
justJanne It's a nice thought experiment. [07:45]
mircea_popescu justJanne "most of society" that gets a voice, which is bored women. [07:45]
justJanne And, interestingly, this thought experiment almost always ends in the Nordic model. [07:45]
justJanne The thought experiment is: [07:45]
mircea_popescu you seriously contemplate teh notion i'm not aware of "veil of ignorance" etc ? [07:45]
justJanne Oh, cool. [07:45]
justJanne So, assuming this experiment, how can you be for an anarchist society, [07:46]
justJanne When you yourself might end up a piss poor person? [07:46]
mircea_popescu you think i care ? [07:46]
williamdunne I'm not familiar, give me a mo' [07:46]
justJanne Okay: [07:46]
williamdunne When you yourself might end up a piss poor person? << being well off isn't left to chance [07:46]
mircea_popescu i built more fortunes thjan you had boyfriends to date [07:46]
mircea_popescu and burned just as many. [07:46]
mircea_popescu being poor is only a problem if you belong there. otherwise, it's like being dirty. [07:47]
mircea_popescu washes right off. [07:47]
justJanne How would you design a society, assuming you have to live in it later, you can be any person in it, it is random. [07:47]
mircea_popescu i don't believe in this cultural warfare bs. [07:47]
williamdunne justJanne: Everyone executed except the rich [07:47]
mircea_popescu people are not "random", leaves in the wind at the mercy of 1984-esque government. [07:47]
justJanne Of course most people end up designing a society where everyone has enough to live, but also has chance to become rich. [07:47]
mircea_popescu you don't follow the important point. [07:47]
justJanne Which is the Nordic model. [07:47]
mircea_popescu again : people are not rootless, leaves in the wind of "society". [07:48]
mircea_popescu to propose that you can randomly switch people around as if they were interchangeable parts is already to introduce socialism as a given [07:49]
mircea_popescu socialism is not only not a given, it is the system of organised stupidity. [07:49]
mircea_popescu and no matter what happens, you can't be me. maybe being you is still cool and worth being. maybe it isn't. [07:49]
mircea_popescu if it isn't your'e fucked, because that's what you'll ever be. [07:49]
justJanne The idea is to create a society where every person has an acceptable life. [07:50]
mircea_popescu that idea is about on par with "i wonder if superman could beat batman" [07:50]
mircea_popescu idle masturbation for the infantile mind. [07:50]
justJanne The difference is, it works. [07:50]
mircea_popescu like collodial silver works : [07:51]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Thats actually becoming a film I think [07:51]
mircea_popescu if you take the vouches of idiots seriously, it works, sure. [07:51]
mircea_popescu williamdunne im sure. [07:51]
justJanne No. [07:51]
mircea_popescu teh lady doth say no too much. [07:51]
williamdunne http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/ [07:51]
justJanne Take for example my father, no money, piss poor. Would have had no money for studying. But also not able to work heavy work. [07:52]
justJanne Thanks to free education, he studied law. [07:52]
williamdunne justJanne: Don't mistake this for being a channel where everyone had rich parents [07:52]
justJanne Without free education, he couldn't have ever afforded it. [07:52]
mircea_popescu justJanne so he studied law and you still need the state to put you through college ? [07:52]
mircea_popescu apparently with education he never got very far ? [07:53]
williamdunne Too many lawyers, education diluted the market I'm guessing [07:53]
mircea_popescu williamdunne nah, in germany being a lawyer is like being a clerk. [07:53]
justJanne No, the issue is a different one. [07:53]
mircea_popescu they make jack shit. [07:53]
mircea_popescu none of that 10mn / year + benefits. [07:53]
williamdunne Gender Studies a better option? [07:53]
justJanne Also, there are different kinds of lawyers. [07:54]
mircea_popescu williamdunne socialism, so: everything an equally shitty option, but [07:54]
justJanne There are also corporal lawyers working in companies writing legal terms for contracts all day long. [07:54]
mircea_popescu "hey, be thankful for the little you get" and all that jazz. [07:54]
mircea_popescu justJanne corporate. [07:54]
williamdunne It’s not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the ‘right’ to education, the ‘right’ to health care, the ‘right’ to food and housing. That’s not freedom, that’s dependency. Those aren’t rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle. [07:54]
justJanne He could have worked as legal attorney, [07:54]
justJanne But he preferred the stable job in a company over the risk of having to depend on clients. [07:55]
mircea_popescu heh. [07:55]
mircea_popescu well, don't you think he should be ashamed of himself, in front of you ? [07:55]
justJanne Nah. [07:55]
mircea_popescu other people's dads did a lot better, unlike his lazy ass. [07:55]
justJanne He did the right thing. [07:55]
mircea_popescu i'd hold him up to task. [07:55]
davout aaand we broke 1000 [07:56]
mircea_popescu you wanna be ~my~ father, you shoulda done a shitload better than this stupid shit. [07:56]
williamdunne Being risk averse isn't a good idea generally speaking, if you want to be succeeding at anything. [07:56]
justJanne Being risk averse is a very stable solution, though. [07:56]
mircea_popescu i can't stand it in people, and especially not in men. imagine the unbearable conversation of someone who prefers the stability of bureaucratism and "not having to depend on clients" [07:56]
mircea_popescu aka im too lazy to do a good job. [07:57]
williamdunne 'Conversation' [07:57]
justJanne This is Germany. The place where people will wait at an empty crosswalk at 3am on Sunday. [07:57]
mircea_popescu justJanne i'm just forcing a point. [07:57]
justJanne Stability and safety über allies. [07:57]
justJanne *alles [07:57]
mircea_popescu the signs of a dead civilisation. [07:58]
mircea_popescu you ever read nietzsche btw ? [07:58]
williamdunne Safety is the precedent for anything dystopian [07:58]
justJanne Ofc I did. [07:58]
mircea_popescu since in her world sartre never happened, as didn't voltaire. [07:58]
mircea_popescu justJanne so what do you make of it ? [07:58]
justJanne Meh. [07:59]
mircea_popescu care to be specific ? [07:59]
justJanne I don't like most of it. [07:59]
mircea_popescu you know, that's how rich men dump young girls ? "what did you think of the film" "meh" "specifically ?" "i just didn't like it" [07:59]
justJanne But it was 3 years ago, and in school, so I don't remember much more except for getting in an argument with my teacher. [07:59]
mircea_popescu the next thing coming is "you know, i don't think we should be seeing each other anymore" [07:59]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne i was reduced to googling for your coupla phrases. reddit comes up. [08:02]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: You mean the euphoria ones? [08:02]
mircea_popescu yes [08:02]
williamdunne Yeah it was some atheist euphoric kid [08:02]
BingoBoingo ;;lasers [08:03]
williamdunne What she said reminded me of it [08:03]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [08:03]
justJanne Also, you often don't need laws or regulations, as they are often ignored, if you use society or physics, it works better. Example: the streets in my city. If you have no parking lots anywhere in the city, people will have to use public transport. And private investors are happy too, because they can build parking lots and charge moon prices. 8$/h [08:05]
mircea_popescu and if you have no toilet paper or jeans, eager kiel sluts will suck capitalist cock for a song [08:07]
mircea_popescu i approve of this plan, yes. [08:07]
mircea_popescu worked fine in the 80s, will work fine again. [08:07]
justJanne The market will correct itself, if there is a market. [08:07]
mircea_popescu who knew that the reunification of germany was going to go the other way. [08:07]
justJanne As seen with the parking lots. [08:07]
justJanne Nah, it didn't. [08:07]
justJanne The current nordic model was already discussed and partially implemented in the 1800s [08:08]
mircea_popescu lol. what is with socialism and its desperate need to a) pretend it has a different name now and b) pretend it has historical roots ? [08:08]
justJanne The Nordic model is what Marx meant, but Lenin and Stalin went totally retarded. [08:08]
mircea_popescu riiight. [08:08]
justJanne Yes. Read Marx. [08:08]
mircea_popescu i'd have to borrow your glasses [08:09]
mircea_popescu an' i dun think they fit my head. [08:09]
justJanne He really only complains about cartels, monopolies, unfair wages, and in general no public services. [08:09]
justJanne Tbh, even the US nowadays is quite close to what Marx described. [08:10]
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justJanne Socialism, originally, was intended to do exactly this: give everyone equal chances, but then let them do their own thing. Of course you can start a company and become rich, this is no issue, as long as no one starves to death. [08:11]
mircea_popescu "you can start a company as long as it doesn't matter or do anything important" [08:12]
mircea_popescu yes yes. except, men are not babies. [08:12]
justJanne No. [08:12]
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justJanne You can start a company, and become a huge multinational even, as long as everyone has enough to fulfill their basic needs. [08:13]
mircea_popescu how about, i have the money, i make the rules ? [08:13]
justJanne And there are many successful Nordic startups and companies. [08:13]
justJanne Money is a thing invented by people. [08:14]
mircea_popescu so are rules. [08:14]
williamdunne What do you mean "Invented" [08:14]
justJanne Yes. [08:14]
williamdunne Its sort of not invented but pretty much inherent to humans [08:14]
mircea_popescu gravity is also a thing invented by people. [08:14]
williamdunne Hence why the Indians die and Europeans rule the world [08:14]
justJanne No. [08:14]
mircea_popescu doesn't mean rocks didn't fall before, but it does mean it wasn't called gravity. [08:14]
williamdunne doesn't mean rocks didn't fall before, but it does mean it wasn't called gravity. << this is exactly what I mean [08:15]
mircea_popescu right. [08:15]
mircea_popescu so, yes, the idiocy of socialism, no matter how named, and the superiority of la serenissima, etc, are rules of the world, and drive it whether named or unnamed. [08:15]
justJanne No. [08:15]
justJanne Money is invented just like laws, or countriez [08:16]
mircea_popescu but other than that, money was invented and reinvented by people, most recently being called bitcoin. [08:16]
williamdunne Money has existed since before government was a concept that meant anything other than some tribe leader with a bone through his nose [08:16]
mircea_popescu justJanne was the number 7 invented by people, iyo ? [08:16]
williamdunne And it has been "invented" god knows how many times independently [08:17]
williamdunne It stems from the idea of ownership and necessity of a common unit [08:17]
williamdunne Thats literally all it is [08:17]
williamdunne Anyone who didn't invent it was crushed [08:19]
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williamdunne You know those dead bikers? Turns out they didn't actually kill anyone [08:37]
williamdunne It was the police that killed them [08:37]
williamdunne Not them killing each other [08:37]
williamdunne http://www.agingrebel.com/12873 [08:37]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [08:38]
mircea_popescu the texas shootout thing ? [08:38]
williamdunne Yep, thats the one [08:38]
williamdunne It was a knife fight, and as soon as one biker pulled a gun the swat opened automatic fire [08:39]
mircea_popescu in other news, https://8ch.net/player.php?v=https://media.8ch.net/wx/src/1431138912693.webm&t=1430767959843schoolgirl-on-dildo.webm&loop=1 [08:39]
justJanne More kills in one day than the police here in 70 years -.- [08:39]
williamdunne justJanne: When it comes to it, the German soldiers will either massacre civilians or execute gov officials [08:40]
williamdunne But considering who pays their salaries.. [08:40]
mircea_popescu Sergeant Patrick Swanton, a spokesman for the Waco Police Department, called the attendees. “A bunch of criminal element biker members that came to Waco and tried to instill violence into our community and unfortunately did just that…. This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.” [08:42]
mircea_popescu no further professions allowed in the ussa. [08:42]
mircea_popescu be a doctor, lawyer or a dentist. or fuck you. [08:42]
mircea_popescu sucks that most of the kids are online geeks / webexperts i guess. [08:43]
williamdunne Thats pretty meta - isn't it. Sergeant is on the list of criminals [08:43]
mircea_popescu Sergeant Swanton said, “What occurred here today is the worst-case scenario when a business owner puts profit over human lives. It’s sad. This could have all been avoided.” [08:43]
mircea_popescu ahahaha "Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there" [08:43]
mircea_popescu dude that country's so fucked... [08:43]
williamdunne Its not even that country, I'm pretty sure the same would be said elsewhere in fairness [08:44]
williamdunne But yeah thats pretty fucked [08:45]
mircea_popescu eslewhere where, in the "democratic" republic of germany ? (following kruschev's revelation on stalin!) [08:45]
mircea_popescu Since the massacre, police have announced that there is “credible information about threats toward law enforcement.” Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: “Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.” [08:46]
davout deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0H2AZ99.txt [08:46]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [08:46]
mircea_popescu hey, i can see it. [08:46]
mircea_popescu kill everyone in uniform. [08:46]
mircea_popescu getting back to the softer side, https://media.8ch.net/wx/src/1431565456206-1.jpg [08:47]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Oh noes, the lawyers and doctors too! [08:49]
davout deedbot-: add feed http://fr.anco.is/feed/ [08:51]
mircea_popescu kinda funny how the "we totally fucked up. it was our job to keep things smooth and well... we blew it" thing never comes out of us police. [08:51]
davout trinque: did it werked? ^ [08:51]
davout http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-may-19th-statement/ [08:53]
chetty ahahaha "Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there"//of course that would work, would have happened at the place down the street instead. [08:53]
mircea_popescu chetty ikr ? nuts, these people. [08:53]
mircea_popescu "it's julia's fault! do it to julia! not me!" [08:54]
mircea_popescu wtf, buncha felons. [08:54]
mircea_popescu "we didn't just butcher a bunch of marginal retards in a parking lot. it was because of the moon. the guy that made the roof 15 years ago is to blame. it';s because texas has straight borders" [08:54]
mircea_popescu how about you know, you just suck about as bad as the car mechanic that sets customers' cars on fire. [08:55]
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funkenstein_ ooh look non-sychophant in channel, nice logs :) [10:04]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://technologycloud.org/?p=1144 << there! finally it's all been shanonized properly. [10:31]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ omfg what are you like the socialist party in hiding, waiting for reinforcements ? [10:31]
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punkman mircea_popescu, that's a peculiar text, I wonder how it was made [10:34]
mircea_popescu sentence level mixing i'd guess [10:35]
funkenstein_ perhaps for some value of "socialist party" :) [10:37]
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* mircea_popescu calls for purge of trotskyst elements &c [10:41]
scoopbot_revived Testing Scoop http://thethug.life/testing-scoop/ [10:41]
funkenstein_ what is a "confidence researcher"? [10:41]
mircea_popescu like a con man, but with science. [10:42]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wtf, chinese to english or what [10:44]
mircea_popescu no idea. [10:44]
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williamdunne Okay, Scoop should be 24/7 now, and even if he crashes the things he has posted should be persistent nao [10:45]
williamdunne Just gonna test his persistence [10:46]
mircea_popescu le cool. [10:46]
mircea_popescu you gonna add the bitbet posting functionality ? a lot more sensible i nscoop than i ndeedbot [10:46]
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williamdunne I can, I hadn't seen the request but I'm happy to add it [10:46]
mircea_popescu splendeed. [10:47]
williamdunne Can't see an API or anything tho [10:47]
mircea_popescu jsons [10:48]
* asciilifeform caught up with log, many lulz [10:48]
jurov https://bitbet.us/rss/new/ [10:48]
williamdunne Ah perfcet [10:48]
williamdunne *perfect [10:48]
jurov !mpif [10:48]
williamdunne What features are wanted in said bot? [10:49]
mircea_popescu announce new propositions and bets > 1 btc in value [10:49]
jurov and accurate predictions! [10:49]
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jurov !t m f.mpif [10:50]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you have a bet ? [10:51]
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mircea_popescu check it out, they gave out the internet rations in twodogs today [10:51]
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nubbins` a wild key collision appears [10:51]
nubbins` what's this about a banner then [10:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: waiwut, bet ? [10:52]
jurov welcome nubbins` [10:52]
nubbins` hi [10:52]
mircea_popescu listen nubsy, make a banner for your dubious publisher of offensive posters [10:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how manyl lines she takes. [10:52]
asciilifeform l0l [10:52]
nubbins` mircea_popescu like any ol' banner, or something more specific? [10:52]
mircea_popescu 728x90 [10:53]
nubbins` inches? [10:53]
nubbins` pixels? [10:53]
mircea_popescu lol. https://8ch.net/btc/res/156.html << see that banner there at the top ? [10:53]
nubbins` o you mean a web banner or smth don't you. [10:53]
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mircea_popescu lol [10:53]
jurov well, you can make paper one and scan it it [10:54]
mircea_popescu or papier mache [10:54]
jurov for the derps to "tell by the pixels not professionally done" [10:54]
nubbins` heh [10:54]
nubbins` how many times so far this year have derps sent me files at terrible resolution for screenprinting [10:54]
nubbins` "but it looks ok on my screen" [10:55]
mircea_popescu 726 [10:55]
nubbins` kill yourself; get out [10:55]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you DID SAY it was SCREEN printing [10:55]
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mircea_popescu god damned scammers ruining everything. [10:55]
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nubbins` hey now, you computer folk misappropriated the word. [10:55]
mircea_popescu this we did. [10:55]
nubbins` that box of lights is no more a screen than my left shoe!! [10:55]
nubbins` anyway, summertime rush is picking up [10:56]
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nubbins` and i've somehow decided to publish a fully-silkscreened book that'll cost $100 per issue [10:57]
nubbins` o.O [10:57]
jurov what? stan's book is finished? [10:57]
nubbins` no, jesus [10:57]
jurov :D [10:57]
nubbins` i'd be surprised if that thing gets printed before 2020 [10:57]
nubbins` and this book is like 20 pages [10:57]
nubbins` so. [10:57]
mircea_popescu well by 2020, stan's book is also gonna be 20 pages [10:58]
mircea_popescu ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((do))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) [10:58]
mod6 :] [10:58]
nubbins` aha! [10:58]
nubbins` "what's 'do' do?" "the thing" [10:58]
mircea_popescu fu, it looks ok on my left shoe! [10:58]
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nubbins` did i mention that i was detained in a security room at cleveland hopkins airport for 13 hours because of this place? [11:00]
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mircea_popescu no wai ?! [11:01]
mircea_popescu and you didn't even come to conference ? [11:01]
jurov and so it begins [11:01]
jurov do tell [11:01]
nubbins` heh. naw, just kidding [11:01]
nubbins` they did make me hold my arms out like an airplane while they touched my dick tho [11:01]
jurov did they found the rsa keys? [11:01]
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williamdunne Yeah, they factored them [11:02]
* williamdunne wonders if persistence thingy will work this time [11:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00026858 = 4.9687 BTC [+] [11:13]
williamdunne Well, Scoop is now working, although Assbot won't listen to commands so he can't up himself [11:13]
williamdunne yay [11:13]
* williamdunne wonders why people are worried about an AI takeover [11:13]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkAL1AEam8 [11:14]
nubbins` lel @ yellow shirt man @ 1:00 [11:14]
nubbins` for those of you who are not canadian, yellow shirt man got fired from his $100k/yr job as an engineer at a public utility the day after this video came out [11:14]
nubbins` mis lados etc [11:14]
mircea_popescu lol buncha derps. [11:16]
mircea_popescu "we just work here. not you... it's like...." [11:16]
mircea_popescu if you are gonna do it, then what happened to "yeah bitch, exactly." [11:16]
mircea_popescu fucking do it. [11:16]
mircea_popescu she's not looking at him, he's not looking at her, they're like too much for each other already. [11:17]
williamdunne What did they say to her? [11:18]
davout scoopbot, totally online [11:18]
mircea_popescu i didn't make it out. [11:19]
williamdunne Assbot is down so he can't voice [11:19]
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davout williamdunne: he's not on the chan is what i'm saying [11:19]
nubbins` williamdunne "fuck her right in the pussy" [11:19]
davout scoopbot_revived: ; DROP TABLE `feeds`; [11:19]
davout scoopbot_revived: ; '; DROP TABLE `feeds`; [11:19]
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davout aha! [11:19]
williamdunne Yeah, I brought him down waiting for assbot to be back [11:19]
davout yeah right [11:19]
williamdunne His handler for voice starts at the beginning of the session.. [11:19]
jurov kakobrekla it's possible to have backup assbot? [11:20]
williamdunne Doesn't have a handler at any point other than that, no check if he can message the channel [11:20]
davout jurov: cuntbot [11:20]
williamdunne !h [11:20]
jurov davout it's abbreviation for...? [11:20]
jurov or just french? [11:20]
williamdunne Technically I think ass is working, its just taking around 7 minutes for each response [11:20]
williamdunne So maybe someone is spamming him [11:20]
williamdunne 15:01:18 - williamdunne: !up [11:20]
williamdunne 15:01:29 - williamdunne: !h [11:20]
williamdunne 15:09:46 - assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/027f487e36503a54 [11:20]
williamdunne 15:09:47 - assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [11:20]
mircea_popescu !rated gribble [11:22]
kakobrekla backup assbot? [11:24]
williamdunne ass is down [11:24]
kakobrekla that 9 minute lag is freenode, not assbot [11:24]
williamdunne Oh? Thats pretty crazy [11:24]
kakobrekla !rated gribble [11:24]
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williamdunne If its just lag Scoop should be able to wait for the response [11:25]
mircea_popescu nuts tho. is the lag specifically to assbot ?! [11:25]
kakobrekla i can restart it, see if it connects to a different server [11:25]
mircea_popescu good idea [11:25]
kakobrekla others may be affected too [11:25]
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kakobrekla funny how asslog totally differs from what i see [11:33]
kakobrekla anyway still waiting for ping timeout [11:33]
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williamdunne !h [11:34]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [11:34]
williamdunne w00t [11:34]
davout !rated jurov [11:34]
assbot You rated user jurov on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR. [11:34]
davout seems to werk fine [11:34]
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davout deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3JTY0T7.txt [11:39]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [11:39]
scoopbot_revived Scoop Test http://thethug.life/scoop-test/ [11:39]
williamdunne Scoop werks [11:39]
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mod6 Ok, the v0_5_3_1-RELEASE performance test is complete. Charts are posted here if you'd like to view: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Charts/ [11:45]
mod6 You'll notice that there are two times that during the full blockchain sync, bitcoind got oomkill'd. [11:46]
mod6 Again, this is just the bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE -- no patches added. [11:47]
davout http://ir.theice.com/press-and-publications/press-releases/all-categories/2015/05-19-2015-133635560.aspx [11:47]
davout "As a global index leader and administrator of ICE LIBOR, ICE Futures U.S. Dollar Index and many other notable benchmarks, we are pleased to bring transparency to this market." [11:47]
mod6 And for reference, here's where you can view the performance test charts that were with the OrphanageThermonuke patched in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/ [11:47]
davout "We are now going to use our name, reputation and global index provider stature to provide bitcoin values that the rest of the market can look to," says Tom Farley, who serves as president of NYSE, the venerable financial institution that has come to symbolize Wall Street and capitalism more broadly. [11:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24527 @ 0.00027005 = 6.6235 BTC [+] {3} [11:48]
davout right. [11:48]
williamdunne "Sorry we're late to the party, hey girlz, wanna see my handstand?" [11:48]
davout it's not that they're late, it's just... wtf [11:49]
davout "NYXBT utilizes a unique methodology that relies on rules-based logic to analyze a dataset of matched transactions and verify the integrity of the data to ultimately produce an objective and fair daily value for one bitcoin in U.S. Dollars as of 16:00 London time." [11:50]
funkenstein_ bringing transparency to US markets, at 16:00 London Time [11:52]
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mod6 Process_Switches hits >4000 on v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Charts when it oomkill'd [12:06]
mod6 then straight down to 0. [12:07]
punkman "The NYSE Bitcoin Index will initially feature data from transactions from Coinbase Exchange, the leading U.S.-based bitcoin exchange. In 2015, NYSE made a minority investment in Coinbase" [12:08]
punkman well that's gonna be fun to watch [12:11]
justJanne Anyway, I'm sorry, but I don't have much time arguing with people like you stupidly about fictional politics. [12:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00026788 = 7.6078 BTC [-] {2} [12:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42026 @ 0.00026419 = 11.1028 BTC [-] {2} [12:28]
williamdunne What on earth. [12:30]
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danielpbarron !up tcrypt [12:41]
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ben_vulpes this thread's still going, eh? [12:41]
davout doesn't look like it [12:41]
davout she did broke the 1000 lines count while at it though [12:41]
davout notbad.jpg [12:41]
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ben_vulpes > arguing stupidly << accidentally totally spot on [12:43]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137072 << they're /both/ problems. [12:47]
assbot Logged on 18-05-2015 23:03:57; justJanne: mod6: power is not the issue. [12:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00027836 = 9.7426 BTC [+] [12:49]
mircea_popescu davout vague stuff is vague, but anyway [12:49]
mircea_popescu how is coinbase leading anything anyway ? [12:49]
mircea_popescu !up tcrypt [12:50]
-assbot- You voiced tcrypt for another 30 minutes. [12:50]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne What on earth. << late onset butthurt. [12:50]
mircea_popescu one wonders what'd be the bar for non-fictional politics. [12:52]
mircea_popescu moses' tablets, perhaps. [12:52]
mircea_popescu justJanne 846 << what 1k ? scam. [12:54]
jurov well, i saw nobody explain to her how does the nordic model actually does not exist [12:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28684 @ 0.00027836 = 7.9845 BTC [+] [12:59]
jurov there were mostly fictional counterexamples [12:59]
jurov and mircea's "i do what i want" [13:00]
mircea_popescu yeah i did, she just ignored it. [13:00]
mircea_popescu the age old problem with being clueless - it impairs metacognition too. [13:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25766 @ 0.00028789 = 7.4178 BTC [+] [13:05]
mod6 10 moduli broken [13:05]
mircea_popescu aha. [13:06]
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mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/p5dVp1e5 >> this is like the most retarded thing i've seen today. [13:07]
mircea_popescu look at the cute idiots, they're going to call no philosophies. because that's how it works, for keepsies! they called it! [13:08]
mod6 "lists are for nerds." [13:09]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what's with the ~ in b,tmsro~ ? [13:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42185 @ 0.00027136 = 11.4473 BTC [-] [13:10]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes old library convention, so the list doesn't consist of half the items filed under TH [13:11]
mircea_popescu America, The History Of ~ [13:11]
ben_vulpes aha [13:11]
* ben_vulpes searches memory for previous occurrences of the ~ [13:12]
ben_vulpes dude you know i think this is another thing americans simply shrugged and decided to not bother with [13:12]
mircea_popescu mod6 as an item in a list. [13:12]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes they might have decided not to teach kids anymore, but it was in use back in the day [13:12]
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ben_vulpes not even not taught, but not even used [13:13]
* ben_vulpes spent rather a lot of time in libraries as a wee one [13:13]
mircea_popescu but after computers neh ? [13:13]
mircea_popescu computers made all other things stupider. [13:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, this particular usage is the reason tilde even exists on computer keyboards. [13:14]
ben_vulpes i'm deeming the justJanne word salad as skippable [13:15]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138620 << too many [13:16]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 09:27:49; mircea_popescu: clever chick with a head fulla stupid meets #b-a. anyone care to bet on the linecount total ? [13:16]
mircea_popescu you nearly ended up hosting her. [13:16]
ben_vulpes lolwut [13:16]
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mircea_popescu talk to trinque, he signed you up. [13:16]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 as an item in a list. << hehe [13:16]
ben_vulpes waaaat [13:16]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138736 << ahaha [13:17]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 09:49:00; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque hey lot, if i buy her plane tickets do you show her portland ? a week or so ? [13:17]
ben_vulpes sure. [13:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00026142 = 15.3061 BTC [-] {2} [13:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21306 @ 0.00025917 = 5.5219 BTC [-] [13:19]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1138929 << i contest this point: http://www.xvideos.com/video4179860/champagne_bottle_in_the_ass_2 [13:21]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 10:24:05; mircea_popescu: doesn't mean you can run around sticking bottles up your ass. [13:21]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139174 << sounds familiar [13:25]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 11:08:18; mircea_popescu: "you can start a company as long as it doesn't matter or do anything important" [13:25]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-05-2015#1139334 << /me imagines nubsy making airplane noises whilst being groped [13:26]
assbot Logged on 19-05-2015 13:59:00; nubbins`: they did make me hold my arms out like an airplane while they touched my dick tho [13:26]
mircea_popescu laters! [13:26]
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