Forum logs for 19 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform ^ finally forced myself to read that book - not a fan. despite not really disagreeing with the arguments (to the extent the man bothered to make arguments) [00:00]
asciilifeform it is very reminiscent of the 'atheism books' one finds in u.s. shops. if you were never a christian, they're a total snore. [00:01]
asciilifeform herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? [00:02]
jurov ;;calc 4250217919*2.9 [00:02]
gribble 12325631965.1 [00:02]
jurov def capped [00:02]
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mike_c i would hope so. diff flipped on the 18th though. [00:03]
jurov did it? lol [00:03]
mike_c but since it hasn't been announced yet, i assume capped. [00:03]
mike_c (and i may or may not be talking my book here) [00:03]
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fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656861.msg7383469#msg7383469 [00:09]
assbot CRYPTNEY- Bringing Crypto Currency to the Masses! [00:09]
fluffypony "If you are on my investors mailing list this is the email number. Please cross check. [00:09]
fluffypony To confirm email please match numbers. [00:09]
fluffypony Private investor email #134252" [00:09]
fluffypony lol [00:09]
fluffypony who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz [00:10]
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mike_c if only there were a way to verify who wrote an email.. [00:13]
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fluffypony mike_c: I know [00:14]
punkman yo dawg I heard u like difficulty: "The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. " [00:15]
fluffypony it would be a marvellous invention [00:15]
punkman http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/ [00:15]
assbot How to Disincentivize Large Bitcoin Mining Pools [00:15]
fluffypony someone should add that [00:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00082643 = 8.099 BTC [-] [00:25]
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Mats_cd03 http://youtu.be/jaRsJvZgg2s [00:26]
assbot ZHU - Faded (ODESZA Remix) - YouTube [00:26]
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dignork punkman: this proposition does not solve anything really. gigahash will run his private servers to solve the second puzzle, happily keeping 99% of hashing power. [00:28]
punkman I'm sure it's braindamaged [00:29]
punkman too long, didn't read [00:29]
dignork tl;dr version: we add another puzzle with controllable difficulty, which pool will have to solve, but it uses privkey, so he won't outsource it. [00:30]
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punkman ah thx ;) [00:31]
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Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/moby-almost-home-sound-remedy-remix [00:33]
assbot Moby - Almost Home (Sound Remedy Remix) by Sound Remedy on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds [00:33]
mircea_popescu 9393 was only the winners' input btw << well yes. [00:39]
mircea_popescu * chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// << the funny thingbeing... i don't even drink that much tea :D [00:39]
mircea_popescu ^ choice turdlets << ahahaha the ips are the lulzy part. [00:39]
mircea_popescu tre' sa fie si puletii nostri in rind cu puletii lor, nu se poa'. [00:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [-] [00:42]
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Naphex mircea_popescu: omu numa prostii observa si invata vad ca [00:44]
Naphex :) [00:44]
Naphex at some point maybe people will wise up and stop comming into bitcoin like its hipster web3.0 [00:45]
mircea_popescu ok so believe it or not, trilema credits just had its first hash collision. two guys with very reasonable emails + their ips hash as the same thing. who knew. [00:47]
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Naphex the cookie hashing scheme seemed a bit lacking [00:48]
mircea_popescu Naphex not gonna happen. remember patriciu thinking he's going to be rich by copying berlusconi (adevarul), [00:48]
mircea_popescu or that sad sad mic.ro debacle ? [00:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082578 = 6.6888 BTC [-] [00:49]
mircea_popescu ;;google moartea ca o veste buna [00:49]
gribble Octombrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Lifespiel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; La mormantul lui ARSENIE BOCA. Parintele a lasat cu limba de ...: [00:49]
mircea_popescu bah [00:49]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ [00:49]
assbot Moartea ca o veste buna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:49]
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mircea_popescu that should prolly be in english [00:50]
Naphex doubt it would sound that good in english [00:51]
Naphex romanian has a good way of adding feeling into writing :) [00:51]
mircea_popescu i guess so. [00:51]
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mircea_popescu los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ? << they claim they do. [00:56]
mircea_popescu sort -of, kinda. [00:56]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffjun-has-settled-2/ [00:56]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench << this is a dubious proposition at best. [00:56]
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mircea_popescu the difference between us being, of course, that i've had occasion to beat things out of people. [00:57]
TheNewDeal MP, i thought the US has the wallets, but they do not have the password to unencrypt [00:57]
mircea_popescu all too often it goes like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d5yU-aQ34 [00:58]
assbot CASINO(1995) TORTURE SCENE.. - YouTube [00:58]
Naphex here is a question, will USMS send the bitcoin to the winer or give him private keys/paper wallet?:) [00:58]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal right. [00:58]
TheNewDeal surprised he didn't have it backed up anywhere? [00:58]
TheNewDeal I am surprised * [00:59]
mircea_popescu they don't have the EXCLUSIVE now do they [00:59]
mircea_popescu info wants to be free. [00:59]
mircea_popescu for all the usg knows, we all have a copy, and the keys, and are sitting here lolling at their punk ass. [00:59]
TheNewDeal what do you mean exclusive, like the sole copy? [01:00]
mircea_popescu ya [01:01]
mircea_popescu punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror << lol make it longer! [01:01]
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mircea_popescu btw, if the usms manages to get SCAMMED out of the sale... [01:02]
fluffypony needs moar whitespace! [01:02]
mircea_popescu o boy. that'll be the lol of all time. [01:02]
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fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/at1Klvk.jpg [01:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13013 @ 0.00082547 = 10.7418 BTC [-] {2} [01:03]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: never really knew his real name << http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-iii/ like. [01:03]
asciilifeform usms manages to get SCAMMED << had urge to bet on this, immediately after the press release. then understood that probably 'badBet.' [01:03]
assbot Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul III pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:03]
mircea_popescu gotta read trilemaz. [01:03]
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mircea_popescu punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791 << clearly usagi has a future. [01:04]
assbot Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News [01:04]
BingoBoingo Bitpay continues burning money at an alarming rate http://valleywag.gawker.com/there-will-be-a-bitcoin-ncaa-bowl-game-1592534915/+laceydonohue [01:04]
assbot There Will Be a Bitcoin NCAA Bowl Game [01:04]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03: shit, nigga << my words exactly :D [01:05]
Naphex mircea_popescu: was that interview in romanian or translated? [01:05]
TheNewDeal 3 year sponsorship... dman [01:05]
mircea_popescu translated. nanotube doesn't yet speak it [01:05]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: So 3-10 million burned [01:06]
mircea_popescu o hey, less than neobee [01:06]
TheNewDeal maybe even less [01:06]
mircea_popescu course, cyprus advertising is kinda useless [01:06]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo 2.5ish afaik [01:06]
mircea_popescu jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN? << was announced. [01:07]
mircea_popescu mike_c ^ [01:07]
mike_c i saw. wise decision. [01:07]
BingoBoingo 2.5 ish is stil close to 10% of their last fundraising round [01:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? << kinda why i wanted him to come here. [01:08]
mircea_popescu it's my estimation that he's like a russian hound running with pudels, [01:08]
mircea_popescu which is the worst thing that can happen to the hound. the poodles... well... what do they care. [01:08]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo btw, do you know about how much a round COSTS ? [01:09]
mircea_popescu i saw. wise decision. << haha why, did it make you moneyz ? [01:09]
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mike_c it might have :) [01:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No, but I assume it costs a lot of sweat and treasure... and equity [01:09]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz << epic lol [01:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it costs money. [01:09]
mircea_popescu you gotta pay all sorts of people, and generally upfront fees. [01:10]
mircea_popescu this is why corps that blow a round and surivive are so rar. [01:10]
mircea_popescu e [01:10]
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mircea_popescu also exactly where the vc wants them : once they're in the ring they pretty much gotta close, no matter what the termsheet. [01:10]
mircea_popescu the other side of course has no such constraints. [01:11]
mircea_popescu "Confirmado: no hay precio para el dólar. Nadie vende, solo compran a $ 12.30". [01:12]
TheNewDeal called that xdiff june was underrated [01:12]
mircea_popescu the peso looks well in trouble lol [01:12]
Usage: QUERY [-nofocus] , opens up a new privmsg window to someone [01:13]
TheNewDeal which peso? so many [01:13]
mircea_popescu argentine [01:14]
mircea_popescu this country is getting so fucken sweet... [01:15]
benkay lol except for the machinery [01:15]
benkay how on earth are you supposed to run a machine shop when they hold your mills at the border? [01:16]
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mircea_popescu "Overall, it provides a gentle fix to the recent GHash fiasco" [01:16]
mircea_popescu derp. [01:16]
mircea_popescu i guess scammers and academics will never stfu are they [01:16]
benkay seriously mircea_popescu how can one have a good time without CNC machinery? [01:17]
mircea_popescu why without ? [01:18]
benkay how to get a big-boy mill into ars? [01:18]
mircea_popescu The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. [01:18]
mircea_popescu how the fuck can current miners preserve ths investment lmao [01:19]
mircea_popescu benkay you import it, like anything else ? [01:19]
benkay except that it gets stopped at the border. [01:19]
mircea_popescu "This mechanism is easy to devise following a community discussion that establishes the principles" [01:20]
mircea_popescu holy hell already. [01:20]
mircea_popescu benkay who told you this ? and why ? [01:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, gotta broadway nao. laters. [01:21]
benkay some argentinian. to keep me from doing things? [01:21]
TheNewDeal you can't import cnc equipment into argentina? [01:21]
benkay the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. [01:22]
TheNewDeal who's going to run a cnc shop? I work on cnc equipment at the moment [01:22]
benkay but i'd just looooooove to plop down 600k to test the theory. [01:22]
benkay it's on the list of things to buy, TheNewDeal . [01:23]
TheNewDeal we could import it in parts and then bujild it [01:23]
TheNewDeal you* [01:23]
benkay hue [01:23]
TheNewDeal ewe [01:23]
dignork just funny: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/18/bitcoin-auction/ [01:24]
assbot US Marshall Accidentally Reply-Alls Anonymous Bitcoin Auction Bidders In Email Fiasco | TechCrunch [01:24]
TheNewDeal noooo way [01:25]
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TheNewDeal oh that's lame, they showed the email with blacked out names [01:26]
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dignork TheNewDeal: dunno who blacked the names, somebody got the full list though [01:27]
TheNewDeal techcrunch did [01:27]
dignork usms later said that these are not bidders, just people that where asking for clarifications [01:27]
TheNewDeal or at least that is what the article claims [01:27]
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TheNewDeal in other news, "US Marshal only spelled with one L" [01:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5136 @ 0.00082459 = 4.2351 BTC [-] [01:29]
asciilifeform benkay: i hear they'll let your machine through if you bring it as... carry-on baggage [01:30]
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TheNewDeal good luck with that [01:34]
TheNewDeal you're asking for many questions from people who will be very suspicious and will not understand your answers [01:35]
* asciilifeform carried a fat oscilloscope and ominous-looking crate with sample boards through u.s, german, romanian customs; nobody blinked an eye [01:36]
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asciilifeform i suppose if your cargo looks immediately valuable, you might have problems. [01:36]
TheNewDeal thats ridiculous [01:37]
TheNewDeal o-scope was phat though [01:38]
jurov you should have painted it as doomsday device [01:38]
TheNewDeal nuclear warning [01:39]
asciilifeform take analog scope, glue fins. [01:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.068 = 3.468 BTC [+] {2} [01:39]
TheNewDeal how expensive is an analog scope? [01:40]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: if you make the right friends - free. [01:40]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: if you want a new unit with reasonable bandwidth - a few $K. [01:40]
TheNewDeal thats what I was seeing when I looked it up. quite amazed [01:41]
asciilifeform it'll put you over the weight limit for most airlines, though. [01:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+] [01:41]
TheNewDeal 50 pounds?!? [01:43]
asciilifeform approx [01:43]
TheNewDeal whaaaaat [01:43]
asciilifeform varies. [01:43]
TheNewDeal thats ridiculous [01:43]
asciilifeform analogue scope has its virtues. as i understand, most tech types own both kinds. [01:44]
TheNewDeal what do they have in university labs? I always assumed those ones were very inexpensive [01:46]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: usually chinese digital scopes, like mine [01:46]
TheNewDeal ahhhh [01:46]
asciilifeform depends on the uni [01:46]
TheNewDeal of course [01:46]
asciilifeform mine must've had a good payola year, because they had costly hp units [01:47]
TheNewDeal oOo [01:49]
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BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/hacker-infects-synology-storage-devices-makes-off-with-620000-in-dogecoin/ [01:53]
assbot Hacker infects Synology storage devices, makes off with $620,000 in Dogecoin | Ars Technica [01:54]
TheNewDeal ascii why did you say that buproprion is useless? [01:54]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: useless is perhaps wrong word [01:55]
asciilifeform pharmacologically weak, like 'nonalcoholic' beer, rather. [01:55]
asciilifeform you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy. [01:56]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [01:56]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Q980S5.txt ) [01:56]
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BingoBoingo I'm telling you that cholorine atom on the ring is the only thing holding it back from greatness and success in the back alley [01:57]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: snip it, add a methyl, ---> methcathinone [01:58]
asciilifeform (brief career as antidepressant in ussr) [01:58]
TheNewDeal what is the way to rate a dopamine reuptake inhibitor [01:58]
asciilifeform now a kitchen favourite in usa [01:58]
asciilifeform *snip methyl [02:00]
BingoBoingo It's really amazing how many catecholemine affecting drugs are merely the base chemical with various things snipped or tacked on... [02:01]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:01]
BingoBoingo Entirely different effects built from the same core https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propanolol#mediaviewer/File:Propranolol-skeletal.svg [02:03]
assbot Propranolol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [02:03]
asciilifeform http://imgur.com/JlsaEDI << drug for ThePoor (tm) [02:05]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [02:05]
BingoBoingo lol [02:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://i34.tinypic.com/34sqzx2.jpg [02:10]
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TheNewDeal you two are ridiculous [02:13]
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jurov dudes and gals, you were really in bashful mood recently [02:26]
jurov 22 quotes added [02:26]
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Naphex "The Amazon phone is finally here: Amazon unveils the Fire Phone" -> http://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bgr-amazon-smartphone-kindle-fire-phone.jpg?w=952&h=575&crop=1 [02:31]
Naphex so.. iphone with windows ui, got it [02:31]
Naphex lousy name for a product though, fire phone [02:32]
mike_c i think amazon runs custom droid builds [02:32]
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punkman but jurov he only wanted to lurk [02:35]
justlurking thanks jurov; I'm here pre-Yeshiva [02:35]
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BingoBoingo justlurking: Another one of Pete's jews? [02:53]
benkay lol [02:53]
TheNewDeal lol [02:53]
BingoBoingo justlurking: You could do the thing I did, pick a silly name and then later find out you are stuck with it. [02:55]
justlurking probably? [02:55]
benkay that will definitely happen. [02:56]
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benkay pick a name you like and use it. [02:56]
justlurking yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete [02:57]
TheNewDeal I was actually allowed to change my name :D [03:03]
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mike_c tredos something something? [03:05]
BingoBoingo !up justlurking [03:05]
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BingoBoingo ;;google manul [03:07]
gribble Pallas's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Pallas's Cat Manul - YouTube: ; Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space: [03:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082303 = 21.0696 BTC [-] {5} [03:09]
TheNewDeal so I was just reading about the sentencing of Sabu. does anyone know the first time a judge mandated a keylogger in the USSA? [03:09]
BingoBoingo That we know of... [03:10]
TheNewDeal what? [03:10]
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TheNewDeal I was asking what was the first time you heard of that [03:11]
BingoBoingo The first time a keylogger was mandated may have come from one of those seekrit courts [03:11]
BingoBoingo You know like the ones that order those drone strikes [03:12]
TheNewDeal not really. never heard of a court mandated drone strike [03:12]
BingoBoingo Well, Obama's a lawyer so he just kind of holds these things himself [03:13]
BingoBoingo It's why BitBet is a better court [03:13]
TheNewDeal reading about it as we speak [03:14]
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moiety http://i.imgur.com/qQn4C.jpg [03:18]
TheNewDeal manul!? [03:18]
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moiety TheNewDeal: yeah i get a note when manul is mentioned so i just returned a picture.... like a manual manul bot, if you will :D [03:22]
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BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/01/patients-die/ [03:27]
assbot Medical Students Horrified to Learn that all Patients Die, Eventually | Medical Satire - GomerBlog [03:27]
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BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/11/weight-loss-worms/ [03:29]
assbot Secret of Successful Weight Loss Clinic: Tape Worms | Medical Satire - GomerBlog [03:29]
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TheNewDeal bingoboingo, that we weren't able to strike a deal on the difficulty had little to do with wording. More to do with you placing your bet later than I trying to sell my Yes bets [03:31]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Well, it was a simple disagreement in pricing. Particularly how to price these things. We both disagree on how to do it. [03:33]
TheNewDeal I think it's rather trivial to price them, but finding something that would make sense financially between the two of us was the difficult task [03:34]
BingoBoingo Well, there's also the problem whereing I lack the experience and reputation to feel comfortable selling a synthetic bet. [03:35]
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TheNewDeal uncomfortable, it is *yoda voice* [03:36]
BingoBoingo Maybe if I MM'd MPOE options I'd feel comfortable offering a synthetic, but as a person who MM's ATC... [03:36]
BingoBoingo %book [03:36]
atcbot 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 [03:36]
TheNewDeal haha [03:37]
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BingoBoingo Even though the circumstances in which the actual underlying couldn't cover the synthetic would have been exceedingly unlikely... Trading on an artificial weight would have set a bad precedent. [03:38]
BingoBoingo %ticker [03:39]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 161 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 37k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 160 [03:39]
TheNewDeal well you did offer the buyer (mike_c was it?) a discount on the price [03:39]
TheNewDeal which is essentially the same thing [03:39]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Sure I offered a discount, and I tried offering you the same as well. A discount and a synthetic weight though are very different animals. [03:42]
TheNewDeal depending on the amount being purchased though [03:42]
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TheNewDeal if you originally bet 1 btc, you could "get away with" selling .5 btc at double the timeweight [03:43]
TheNewDeal neglecting the 1% fee... [03:43]
BingoBoingo "get away with" at the cost of setting a horrible precedent [03:44]
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asciilifeform sabu sentenced to keylogger << 2015: public urinator sentenced to toiletcam [03:45]
TheNewDeal hahahaha [03:45]
BingoBoingo !up Pierre_Rochard [03:47]
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punkman ;;view [03:54]
gribble #20792 Wed Jun 18 20:53:44 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 hour of tech support @ 0.02 BTC (Support for bitbet.py (https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py) , Minor feature requests accommodated. While supplies last.) [03:54]
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punkman hurr hurr [03:55]
TheNewDeal tech support [03:55]
TheNewDeal can you expand [03:55]
punkman getting it installed, usage, etc [03:55]
TheNewDeal did you develop it? [03:56]
punkman in a hurry [03:56]
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TheNewDeal might have to hit you up with that later [03:58]
TheNewDeal ;;rate punkman 0 bitbet.py developer, selling support [03:59]
gribble Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero. [03:59]
TheNewDeal whaaat [03:59]
TheNewDeal haven't you heard of neutral gribble? [03:59]
BingoBoingo ;;rate punkman 1 gambling software [04:00]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. [04:00]
TheNewDeal ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet.py developer, selling support [04:02]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. [04:02]
punkman TheNewDeal: here's how it looks now: http://i.imgur.com/6mwsor1.png [04:02]
TheNewDeal yah I think bingoboingo was showing me outputs the other day [04:03]
BingoBoingo punkman: is this a whole new Bitbet.py [04:03]
punkman BingoBoingo: nothing to do with that old bitbets.py [04:04]
BingoBoingo punkman: Maybe give it a new name then... [04:04]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I used the original [04:04]
punkman suggestions welcome, but levenshtein distance of 1 is good enough for me :P [04:05]
TheNewDeal here's a potential suggestion to ponder, we can talk about it more if I get back at you. Placing future bets to see how the pot changes [04:06]
punkman that's what it does [04:06]
TheNewDeal oh rery [04:06]
TheNewDeal it doesn't analyze only the current list of bets to date? [04:06]
BingoBoingo That's kinda the whole point of these tools [04:06]
BingoBoingo adding hypothetical future and past bets [04:07]
BingoBoingo Drugs http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/162417/1fing.jpg [04:07]
punkman the "*me" bet in the screenshot is a hypothetical bet [04:08]
BingoBoingo Lead to http://gawker.com/teen-loses-finger-during-rave-keeps-going-because-bas-1592911313 [04:08]
assbot Teen Loses Finger During Rave, Keeps Going Because "Bass Was Hard" [04:08]
TheNewDeal ridiculous [04:10]
moiety i watched this program called "What Happens in Kavos" and it was all people like that. broken legs, ribs, noses but so wasted they either don't notice or don't feel it enough to do anything about it [04:10]
BingoBoingo Well, the right combinations of lights and sounds can be as dirorienting as the drugs [04:11]
punkman moiety: yeah that seems to be a common theme where brits go to vacation [04:11]
moiety so silly, why pay to get broken [04:14]
BingoBoingo Sometimes the fun in an activity comes from the potential for breaking, and the times people break reinforce the excitement. [04:15]
BingoBoingo http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/27/steven-hatfills-strange-trip-accused-terrorist-medical-adventurer-255295.html [04:17]
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asciilifeform ;;google bruce ivings [04:23]
gribble Bruce Edwards Ivins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Affidavit in Support of Search Warrant - FindLaw Legal News: ; Long Term Housing Strategy - Bruce County, Ontario, Canada: [04:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ^ related [04:23]
asciilifeform ^ case of 'staple gun'-style 'suicide' [04:24]
asciilifeform scandal was pinned on the corpse. case closed. [04:24]
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BingoBoingo Yeah. Hatfill's current plans are interesting though now that he has extracted money from the gasenwagen's cheerleaders [04:25]
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decimation asciilifeform: have you seen this home-spun open source Verilog tool: http://www.clifford.at/yosys/ [04:27]
assbot Yosys Open SYnthesis Suite :: About [04:27]
BingoBoingo Antrax was an absolutely stupid thing to try weaponizing while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_pseudomallei exists [04:27]
assbot Burkholderia pseudomallei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:27]
decimation supposed these people will make you a chip for ~$500 https://www.efabless.com/ - long on hype and short on details though [04:28]
asciilifeform decimation: these are a dime a dozen. not very useful for fpga work, as the latter have proprietary pieces that, if you do not use, leave you with a monstrously bloated design that fits nowhere. [04:28]
kakobrekla ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet cli dev [04:29]
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asciilifeform decimation: $500 << do they also have a bridge we can buy ? [04:30]
decimation yeah the problem is that even if you could get a chip made for free, the cost of reasonable tools to make reasonable designs are prohibative [04:30]
asciilifeform decimation: not really. can use, e.g. 'magic' [04:30]
BingoBoingo I kind of wonder what an asynchronous ASIC design would do to BTC mining [04:31]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: only one way to find out [04:31]
decimation oh yeah I forgot that guy - I think you sent the link before. I was amused by the Tcl [04:32]
decimation http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=519 "MK: The cost is going to be dependent on the process technology, but let's assume it can be in 0.35 or 0.18. Most designs are probably going to be done for about $500 plus silicon costs which could be in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars. You will get your chips in about eight to ten weeks." [04:33]
assbot Planet Analog - Brian Bailey - Mohamed Kassem: Q&A With the Company Founder [04:33]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course. It would either be the last great way to profit from mining or an loss, magnitude to be determined [04:33]
decimation ancient process of course, but still would be very useful if true [04:33]
asciilifeform decimation: crucial details missing. e.g. turnaround, yield (% working), whether they package the dies [04:34]
asciilifeform (if unpackaged - have fun welding the gold whiskers on yourself) [04:34]
BingoBoingo "Hatfill looked up, holding his cash and smiling, and said, “At least let John Ashcroft pay for it.”" [04:34]
asciilifeform likewise, your design will go straight to the chicoms, who will produce it at their pleasure. [04:35]
decimation heh yeah unpackaged would be pretty useless [04:35]
BingoBoingo In about 12 hours I have an interview for a job in the bezzel economy, so pumped [04:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you've been starving all this time? [04:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not starving, scraping. Live poor nao to live rich later. [04:36]
BingoBoingo ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire [04:37]
gribble How to live to be rich. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Queers pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Fred Quimby and ancient evils pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: [04:37]
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asciilifeform it's a great essay, but ought to have been named 'how to die to be rich' [04:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.0008261 = 1.8587 BTC [+] [04:41]
BingoBoingo Eh, details [04:42]
asciilifeform also ignores certain unpleasant realities: [04:42]
asciilifeform e.g. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#606983 [04:42]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [04:42]
decimation http://www.isegoria.net/2014/06/the-chaos-wrought-by-progressive-education/ [04:44]
assbot The Chaos Wrought By Progressive Education « Isegoria [04:44]
decimation Everyone at our school knows who Dylan is. He comes and goes to lessons as he pleases, habitually swears at teachers, and is an accomplished playground bully. ... I was surprised to hear Dylan?s name announced. He had collected one of the largest amounts of ?reward stickers? in year seven, and was due to collect a prize. Many teachers, it turned out, had taken to bribing him with these stickers in a desperate attempt to appease his [04:44]
decimation unruliness. [04:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It turns out that the cure to an American "Liberal Arts" education is resenting the part where you live on dry noodles. [04:45]
asciilifeform plenty of engineers living on noodles. [04:46]
asciilifeform no longer monopoly of starving artists. [04:46]
decimation that kanzure dude is nuts [04:46]
BingoBoingo You also learn the color of the dandelion greens at their best if you are smart. [04:46]
decimation all the numbers I've see from the bay area companies show that senior engineers are making maybe $150k [04:47]
decimation when a 'house' costs 700-1000k, that's wave slavery [04:47]
asciilifeform decimation: kanzure is a friend of a good chum of mine. as i understand, he made 'fuck you money' in one of the last 'dotcom' bubbles and wanders around the world. [04:47]
decimation that's cool, but that's nothing to do with engineering salaries [04:48]
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decimation Of course, there is a "power law" effect in these kinds of things - only the best guys make bank, the rest deminish exponentially [04:48]
asciilifeform i don't know him well. if you want to dispute his info, wake him up (he does - did? lurk here) [04:48]
asciilifeform ;;google tournament market [04:49]
gribble The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers: ; Marketing your first-year soccer tournament - TourneyCentral: ; Five Keys to Marketing a New Soccer Tournament | The PTM Blog: (1 more message) [04:49]
decimation http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Salaries-E9079.htm [04:49]
assbot Google Salaries and Benefits | Glassdoor [04:49]
asciilifeform 1st link [04:49]
asciilifeform see also greenspun. [04:49]
asciilifeform what a google grunt is paid is entirely uninteresting except in light of knowing what he pays to live [04:50]
decimation yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens [04:50]
BingoBoingo If I get this bezzel job I don't plan to pay more than $300.month to rent [04:50]
asciilifeform http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021 << recommended reading [04:51]
assbot The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers [04:51]
asciilifeform 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an [04:51]
asciilifeform d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. ' [04:51]
asciilifeform i often say to people, that they should calculate their salary per minute of doing-something-they'd-rather-not [04:52]
asciilifeform e.g. if you have to drive a car to the plant, start the 'clock' from when you turn the ignition key [04:53]
asciilifeform and stop it when you come home and take off your shoes [04:53]
asciilifeform likewise, subtract any money you are forced to spend (e.g. google man must pay $50k/yr, say, to live within 2 hrs. drive of the plant) from your salary. [04:53]
asciilifeform then see who is rich, who is a pauper [04:54]
decimation people don't want to do those calculations - they know the truth and they don't want to face it [04:54]
asciilifeform there's a reason, for example, why e.g. a spammer will 'work 16 hours a day to make money while he sleeps' [04:54]
asciilifeform no car, no boss, no $1000 suits, no clock, etc [04:55]
asciilifeform mr. spam can live in a roach-infested hovel and actually keep 90% of his bread crumbs [04:55]
asciilifeform mr. google - not so much [04:56]
BingoBoingo In the location I'm looking at $3.2 k/year rents a ten minute walk from work, no roomates, because they are horrible for opsec [04:56]
decimation what I would like an "economist" to explain to me is why we subject science and engineering to such high competition but professions like collecting welfare, teaching k-12, gov't employee, etc are subject to no pressure whatsoever [04:57]
decimation why do those people deserve to be sheltered from the harshness of reality? [04:57]
asciilifeform decimation: the pressure is moved to the queue in front of the pig trough [04:57]
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asciilifeform decimation: bureaucrats are paid quite little if you perform my calculation [04:58]
asciilifeform at least where i live [04:58]
decimation yeah that's definitely true, even the top of the pile [04:59]
asciilifeform welfare folks 'pay' by having to live in specially designated concentration camps [04:59]
decimation hell Obama only makes $400k [04:59]
decimation teachers "pay" by being unable to actually practice their craft (see my above link) [04:59]
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Mats_cd03 wtf 3200/yr [05:00]
asciilifeform alaska? [05:00]
Mats_cd03 are you living in a fucking trap house [05:00]
decimation alaska is actually pretty expensive [05:00]
decimation n. dakota is cheap [05:00]
asciilifeform afaik folks get housed on company dime at drilling platform [05:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Dying college town. Competing against a shortage of broke grad students [05:01]
BingoBoingo Mats_cd03: These places exist in the middle of the US [05:01]
Mats_cd03 i see [05:02]
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decimation re: redskins trademark cancellation : http://theden.tv/2014/06/18/u-s-patent-and-trade-office-cancels-disparaging-redskins-trademark/ [05:04]
assbot U.S. Patent and Trade Office Cancels ‘Disparaging’ Redskins Trademark | Theden | Thedening the West [05:05]
decimation Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that ?may disparage? individuals or groups or ?bring them into contempt or disrepute.? [05:05]
mircea_popescu but the thing is... this wasn't being registered. [05:06]
mircea_popescu it was registered *already* [05:06]
asciilifeform decimation: this is a more interesting event than appears at first. they just zapped 'stare decisis' [05:06]
mircea_popescu what law allows the office to randomly re-register trademarks ? [05:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. [05:06]
asciilifeform e.g. the authority of the past N years, when the trademark was legal - where is it now. [05:06]
decimation I thought it was illeagal for a bill of attainder [05:06]
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mircea_popescu basically the us has no further guaranteed rights. [05:07]
decimation what's the difference between making a law condeming joe to death, vs a law that condemns the redskins trademark to death? [05:07]
decimation for arbitray reasons? [05:07]
mircea_popescu not to property (the so called process "in rem", eminent domain, a whole list) [05:07]
asciilifeform decimation: no law involved - in the usual sense [05:07]
mircea_popescu not to fair process [05:07]
mircea_popescu not to anything [05:07]
BingoBoingo It is amazing people can talk in this state www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+26.5&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=74600000&SeqEnd=75300000 [05:07]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [05:07]
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mircea_popescu decimation this wasn't a law, to begin with [05:07]
mircea_popescu the entire "attainder" thing is the result of internet fucktards opining on matters. i wouldn't repeat it. [05:08]
decimation yeah it's a civil case, as opposed to criminal [05:08]
mircea_popescu patents are an administrative matter. [05:09]
decimation oh yeah this isn't even a real court, just a commitee of government employees [05:09]
decimation well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are [05:09]
mircea_popescu us citizens, as subjects of the usg. [05:10]
decimation so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men' [05:10]
mircea_popescu benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. << anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled everywhgere. [05:10]
mircea_popescu this is because nobody can stand them. [05:10]
decimation in this case, derpy nobodies are ruling [05:10]
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decimation irrespective of controlling laws [05:11]
BingoBoingo I'm still realling that the Bitpay bought one of the most expensive and lowest return forms of advertising. [05:11]
mircea_popescu decimation the problem with trying to promote a system of "laws not men" is that ONLY men can rule. and so under the guise of "laws not men" that keeps actual men away [05:11]
mircea_popescu the cockless dickheads rule. [05:11]
decimation yeah, you could say that we are ruled by non-men, as opposed to men, because laws cannot rule anyone by themselves [05:12]
asciilifeform anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled << whatever the reason - let's say benkay or i need to get a crate of strange through Ar door. no go, because passport is wrong color. or this is disinfo ? [05:12]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: noooo way ?<< yes way. these are the fuckwits that want to be involved as adults [05:12]
mircea_popescu instead of doing what i fucking tell them to do. [05:12]
mircea_popescu like the children they are. [05:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform possibly no go, because you don;'t know how to ask. [05:13]
mircea_popescu much like, you want to pick up a chick. no go, because... passport the wrong color ? notrly. [05:13]
mircea_popescu http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1bXIe06V--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/w33uouiq516gt1btjhjt.jpg << lol they dug upo that old gallippi pic did they [05:15]
BingoBoingo Yeah they did [05:16]
mircea_popescu did bitpay pr, ever clever and professional, have anything to say yet ? [05:16]
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asciilifeform don't know how to ask << makes a difference if this is a fixable condition (know who to pay off, etc) or more difficult (have the correct uncle) [05:17]
mircea_popescu for something like importing machinery, definitely the former. [05:17]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've been looking around slowly. Not found anything yet. [05:19]
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mircea_popescu today in the news, pretend you're a corp, pretend you've got 30mn investment, fail to have any pr whatsoever. [05:19]
mircea_popescu how people can be this stupid still amazes me. i mean sure, forum derps, okay, they're all by themselves. [05:20]
mircea_popescu but by now... [05:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: consider benkay's point. if i have to wrap sample pcbs in benjamins to get them through customs, this ought to be considered a cost of doing business in Ar [05:20]
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BingoBoingo http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-ncaa-college-football-bowl-sponsorship-bitpay/ is closest I've found to Bitpay Pr so far. [05:20]
assbot Attention Required! | CloudFlare [05:20]
asciilifeform doesn't look quite so cheap then, no? [05:20]
BingoBoingo Oh, coindesk nao hates assbot [05:20]
mircea_popescu lol attention required. [05:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what was looking cheap in the first place, or what were we saying ? [05:21]
BingoBoingo I like how Bitpay couldn't even sponsor a game in a stadium actually suited to the sport. [05:21]
asciilifeform Ar, india, etc. look cheap to the uninitiated. [05:21]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it is not the place of start-ups to sponsor anyway [05:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure, it's cheap. depends what you want. [05:22]
asciilifeform until you move in and try to get, e.g. smt resistors shipped in from malaysia [05:22]
asciilifeform or pick'n'placers from russia [05:22]
mircea_popescu but if you want that, why the fuck would you not be in malaysia or russia. [05:22]
asciilifeform because not one of these actually contains everything you need for the production line [05:22]
decimation china/taiwan do [05:22]
mircea_popescu so what does argentina contain that you need for your production line ? [05:23]
mircea_popescu i keep trying to get this out for awhile nao [05:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not at all. I guess Imma have to blog. [05:23]
asciilifeform better question - what it doesn't contain. [05:23]
asciilifeform e.g. der wagen [05:23]
mircea_popescu and malaysia does ?! [05:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In any worthwhile endeavor the highest cost belongs to becoming initiated [05:23]
decimation well, it certianly isn't down the street from hong kong [05:23]
BingoBoingo %book [05:24]
atcbot 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 [05:24]
mircea_popescu think strategically. argentina is a dead end. hong kong is a center. is your business suited for which exactly ? [05:24]
mircea_popescu dead ends are eminently defensible. centers are centers of trade for that reason [05:24]
mircea_popescu what are you building ? [05:24]
asciilifeform small electronic widgets. [05:25]
decimation there is a point to that. If you could become legally "untouchable" for a few $100k in bribes to the right people, that's of significant value [05:25]
mircea_popescu so then because of your dependency on azn manufacturers you conceivably want your business run there [05:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ? [05:26]
mircea_popescu notrly. [05:26]
mircea_popescu not on their turf, anyway. [05:26]
asciilifeform if you've no 'guanxi', you're 'not in his WoT' [05:27]
mircea_popescu i can attest that when you can have their head, they're reasonable, fwtw. [05:27]
asciilifeform ;;google guanxi [05:27]
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gribble Guanxi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What is Guanxi? | World Learner Chinese: ; Want To Capitalize On China? You Better Have Good Guanxi - Forbes: [05:27]
mircea_popescu that i doubt very much. [05:27]
mircea_popescu i've yet to have a problem with getting in the wot. [05:27]
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mircea_popescu then again, im the sort that learns the language and fucks local. [05:27]
decimation mircea, I suspect the sayings of don colacho would be an excellent way to brush up on spanish: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/ [05:29]
assbot Don Colacho’s Aphorisms [05:29]
mircea_popescu but... it's in engliush ?! [05:30]
asciilifeform chinese 'WoT' (like in other asian nations) is very heavily tilted in direction of blood relation [05:30]
asciilifeform or at least marriage [05:30]
decimation the original text isn't. click on a link and see the original: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/02/2862.html [05:30]
assbot Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,862 [05:30]
*hanbot* first pix of your fliers up are in, emailt you the best one (second email, first i forgot to attach) [05:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform everytrhing has its exceptions. what do i care what the statistics are ? [05:31]
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asciilifeform they'll do buisiness, yes. and at some point, your operation takes off, you find your factory nationalized. [05:31]
asciilifeform or otherwise 'have problems' [05:31]
mircea_popescu whoredom is heavily tilted in the direction of blondes, yet any girl i train can top any brothel she wants. [05:31]
mircea_popescu or maybe they do. [05:32]
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decimation http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/01/30.html When people stop fighting for the possession of private property, they will fight for the usufruct in collective property. [05:32]
assbot Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #30 [05:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can't rightfully say china is 'immovable object.' if you care to try 'irresistible force' there, we'll watch, cheer. [05:32]
mircea_popescu everything's an immovable object for something or the other. [05:33]
mircea_popescu how did they end up run by the mongols ? [05:33]
BingoBoingo "unstoppable force" actually beats immovable object in practice [05:34]
decimation so even usg's hilarious inflation numbers are showing inflation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/17/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN0ES1C620140617 [05:35]
assbot U.S. consumer prices show inflation ticking up| Reuters [05:35]
* asciilifeform is forced to reluctantly love chinese - they're the only 'pepsi' we've got left. [05:35]
BingoBoingo Actually unstoppable forces decay within several generations [05:35]
decimation I wonder if this has to do with the sudden uptick in acquisitions by the bezzle masters [05:35]
mircea_popescu what, argentines are pepsi too. [05:35]
mircea_popescu (to add to the humour, in romanian "being pepsi" pretty much means being fucked up) [05:36]
asciilifeform lol [05:36]
moiety night all :] [05:36]
mircea_popescu laters [05:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you ever have time, consider writing a piece about Ar circa '98-'02 [05:37]
mircea_popescu im really not that advanced just yet [05:37]
asciilifeform my (no means) expert understanding - they let themselves get arseraped by us banks [05:37]
decimation ascii why don't the russians get into electronics/computer manufacturing? have they managed to chase away the talent? [05:37]
asciilifeform decimation: start with the soviet mistake (circa mid-70s) of scrapping their own (interesting! e.g. trinary!) comp. research and deciding to copy western archs - e.g. pdp [05:38]
asciilifeform in order to run warez [05:38]
asciilifeform (western hardware was difficult to get - trade embargoed, had to go through shill companies) [05:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't quite see it. so far, they got 50 bn or so, not paying it back [05:39]
mircea_popescu seems they assraped the us banks to me. [05:39]
asciilifeform http://ferfal.blogspot.com << disinfo ? [05:39]
assbot SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA [05:39]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is rather like supposing that russia (default of late 90s) raped us banks [05:40]
decimation the elite did, kind of [05:40]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform didn't it ? [05:40]
asciilifeform for some value of 'it' [05:41]
mircea_popescu decimation the country is the elite. [05:41]
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mircea_popescu mobile vulgus has no patria. [05:41]
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asciilifeform the objective - entirely non-monetary - ensure that russian industry gets sawn apart for metals - was achieved. [05:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the russian industry, such as it was, was crap. it was going to get sold for scrap anyway. [05:41]
mircea_popescu now, its owners had the unmitigated idiocy of not keeping proper capital on hand. [05:42]
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decimation yeah when you have a traubant factory that employs 50,000 people things are not going to work out well in the long run [05:42]
mircea_popescu so a bankruptcy was necessary [05:42]
BingoBoingo In a firesale I wonder if Iowa has more value as agriculture or uranium [05:42]
asciilifeform was crap << complicated. if you want sovereignty - gotta crank out the hardware, best as you can. [05:42]
mircea_popescu not true. [05:43]
mircea_popescu im a sovereign that doesn't even suck its own cock, how about that! [05:43]
mircea_popescu shouldn't even exist!!1 [05:43]
asciilifeform lenin suggested that the west 'will sell you the rope to hang it with.' not sure if this can be meant literally - could russia buy working nukes from the targets? [05:43]
mircea_popescu dude as if russian industry = nukes in any sense. [05:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not the whole things, but lands were the scarce lives [05:44]
decimation I blame this guy http://jeffsachs.org/2012/03/what-i-did-in-russia/ [05:44]
assbot What I did in Russia Jeffrey Sachs [05:44]
mircea_popescu every single piece of automotive machinery, from cars to trains, airplanes and anything else, that uses too much fuel to be economically usable is either russian make or russian design [05:44]
asciilifeform a surprising fraction of soviet economy reduced to - obscenely inefficient method of producing sovereignty-enforcement hardware [05:44]
mircea_popescu fucking saratov fridges doing 4kw to slightly cool three galons [05:44]
asciilifeform 4kw fridge. that the germans, swedes, whoever, can't blackmail you with by withholding [05:45]
asciilifeform gotta understand the mentality. [05:45]
mircea_popescu i do understand it, but i am pointing out iot's not all that it's cracked up to be. [05:45]
mircea_popescu putin gets this, incidentally. [05:45]
asciilifeform it's a siege mentality, necessarily extreme [05:45]
mircea_popescu no. [05:45]
mircea_popescu a siege mentality is not necessarily extreme. [05:46]
mircea_popescu it's lazily extrem [05:46]
mircea_popescu e [05:46]
asciilifeform sorta like the kind of fellow everyone must know, that got back from afghan and sleeps hugging his rifle, does nothing as hobby but clean and oil it, cycles the bolt at the slightest noise in the house [05:47]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong with owning a rifle, in good condition, and being ready and able to use it [05:47]
asciilifeform nothing. [05:47]
mircea_popescu however, that's not gonna make an omlet [05:47]
asciilifeform correct [05:47]
asciilifeform good to occasionally hug things that aren't the rifle, also [05:48]
mircea_popescu and so the ak-47 shaped spatulas, 18lbs of solid pig iron [05:48]
mircea_popescu are getting thrown away [05:48]
mircea_popescu because spatula is silicone [05:48]
asciilifeform from russian perspective - silicone that won't be there if the border closes [05:48]
asciilifeform pentium is great. but 'bk-0010' would've still been there. [05:49]
mircea_popescu dude do you see what sort of abused child grown up mentality is this ? [05:49]
asciilifeform sure [05:49]
mircea_popescu "i can't love you because what if you leave me" [05:49]
* asciilifeform doesn't live there now, but definitely gets it. if you grow up in ussr, '45 never really ends [05:49]
asciilifeform or, pessimistically, '41 [05:49]
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decimation http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/07/25/dying-russias-birth-rate-is-now-higher-than-the-united-states/ [05:50]
assbot 'Dying' Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' - Forbes [05:50]
asciilifeform trauma makes people - and cultures - pathologically conservative [05:50]
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* asciilifeform wonders how applies to china, ought to ask the folks in the know [05:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform which is why im such a fan of things like pussy riot [05:50]
asciilifeform decimation: with our without dar al islam ? [05:51]
asciilifeform *or [05:51]
mircea_popescu the best thing for moscow today is if the rich kids started taking the girls nude on leashes on novskiwhateveritscalled [05:51]
decimation good point. "white america" definitely has a negative birth rate [05:51]
asciilifeform decimation: because last i checked, the entire place converts to tajikistan in <100yrs. [05:51]
decimation what about tartarstan [05:51]
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decimation I guess they are pretty close to the Turkic Tajiks [05:52]
mircea_popescu you know these liniar projections never work. [05:52]
decimation sons of Khan [05:53]
mircea_popescu people were derping about how romania will be 90% gypsy by 20something in 1990. [05:53]
mircea_popescu it... still hasn't happened. the oppressed minority is still an oppressed minority. [05:53]
decimation mircea: re pussy riot: but ultimately they are tools of the western bezzle machine [05:53]
mircea_popescu not so. [05:53]
mircea_popescu they're too stupid to be the tools of anything. [05:54]
mircea_popescu at any rate, the notion that sensuality and the puritan caging thereof as displayed by the us (and uk before that) are in any way related... [05:54]
mircea_popescu purest historical accident. i can understand why us-ians would believe it, because they love to believe themselves relevant [05:54]
mircea_popescu but otherwise... lol. [05:54]
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decimation I agree that the notions of puritanical modesty are hilarious. I was born in an old school Lutheran hospital (now closed) - my birth certificate's seal shows a doctor pulling a baby out of a vagina [05:56]
decimation somehow this was okay in Christianity 100 years ago but not today [05:56]
mircea_popescu decimation not what i meant. what i means was, the proposition that somehow girls naked in the street are tools of the us bezzle. it's ludicrous. [05:56]
mircea_popescu for all you know they're the tools of mp's world domination plans. [05:56]
decimation but they parrot and derp about equality, femenism, etc [05:57]
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mircea_popescu sure. but nobody cares what they say, the only attraction is their nudity. [05:58]
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mircea_popescu maybe some derps somewhere HOPE that they may embed their message this way, much like radio advertisers hope paying for the radio makes you buy coca cola [05:59]
mircea_popescu but the thing still is what it is : nude chicks in a badly abused, utterly frigid, compulsively conservatory society. [05:59]
mircea_popescu balm. [05:59]
decimation so it would seem that putin is also sending a message about women by caging them [06:01]
mircea_popescu putin has the disadvantage of being actually stuck ruling the thing [06:01]
mircea_popescu he has to do all sorts of stupid shit. [06:01]
mircea_popescu or who knows, maybe he's personally dumb on the score i guess. [06:02]
decimation well, he certainly want to encourage fertility, and sending the message that it's okay for russian women to aspire to childless eat pray love isn't the way to get there [06:04]
decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjI0KYl9gWs [06:06]
assbot Pussy Riot - Putin will teach you how to love / - YouTube [06:06]
decimation skip to 2:05 to watch Cossacks beat them [06:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06924233 = 0.7617 BTC [-] [06:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my understanding - fellow with a contract on his head should perhaps sleep with rifle. the one without contract - with girl. whether 4kw fridge, bk0010, etc. is batshit - or genius - depends on which box russia sits in [06:11]
mircea_popescu so which kind am i ? [06:11]
asciilifeform ask mircea_popescu [06:12]
mircea_popescu ok, what kind are you ? [06:12]
mircea_popescu what kind is antonoderpulous ? does he have a contract on his head ? twitter says so. [06:12]
asciilifeform the kind who 'dies just once' [06:12]
mircea_popescu no but i mean, gimme something actionable as per the plan you laid out above. [06:12]
asciilifeform lol [06:12]
BingoBoingo Seems the solution is to have enough girls to sleep with girl while girl guards door with rifle [06:13]
B0g4r7 B51Num1 benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz bigtip BingoBoingo blackwhite Blazedout419 blg0 bounce bwq- [06:13]
mircea_popescu can't hurt. [06:13]
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asciilifeform going back to russia/industry: according to 'hardcore' russian folks, the west deprived the nation of crucial natural resource - one still abundant in, e.g. china. of course they aren't talking about lanthanides, but... girls who will birth half a dozen kids and work in factory without toilet breaks [06:14]
mircea_popescu decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers, is nao off to molest wife [06:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04639999 = 0.928 BTC [+] {8} [06:14]
* asciilifeform lol just got back from molestation [06:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'll have to explain this tro me so it makes sense [06:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform o, you're doing the same one ?! (know the joke ?) [06:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the two chaps with the toothbrush, aye [06:15]
mircea_popescu no. [06:15]
asciilifeform ...? [06:15]
mircea_popescu pussy riot gets $1bn to study mating habits across europe. [06:15]
mircea_popescu for this purpose, they sequester one woman and two men for a week, then interview them, [06:15]
mircea_popescu the english : well... we were never introduced, so we just read the newspapers all week. it was fuckign boring. [06:15]
mircea_popescu the french : oh, Leo, Lea, Elie [06:17]
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mircea_popescu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjVKOPUIcc if you don't klnow it) [06:17]
asciilifeform lol [06:17]
mircea_popescu the russians : omg this was awful. all night long they took turns fucking me in all the holes [06:17]
mircea_popescu and all day long they held syndicate meetings to criticise me for being a whore [06:18]
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mircea_popescu wb. [06:19]
mircea_popescu that was... rapid ? [06:19]
decimation "decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers" << not really my cup of tea, but relevant [06:19]
decimation my stupid vpn dropped me like a hot potato, thought conversation was over [06:19]
mircea_popescu pretty cool how it worked out lol [06:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-madness-of-president-putin.html << herr orlov on pussyriot etc [06:20]
assbot ClubOrlov: The Madness of President Putin [06:20]
decimation the thing I don't understand ascii is that it's clear that russia has the brainpower to make alternatives [06:21]
decimation even without all-night slave labor sv startup style [06:21]
asciilifeform decimation: go build a MOSFET with... brainpower [06:21]
asciilifeform industrial civilization doesn't get birthed from coffee shop (as discussed in one of mp's essays?) [06:22]
asciilifeform try mine uranium, tantalum, with brainpower [06:23]
asciilifeform get 50 rail cars of synthesis-grade nitric acid with brain. [06:23]
decimation This goes back to the warez - they seem like the answer to all your short term problems, but in the long run just get you hooked on the infrastructure [06:24]
decimation all of those things do require lots of brain power [06:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.22697248 = 2.0428 BTC [+] [06:24]
decimation but they also require getting humans to actually do the work [06:24]
decimation and... capital [06:25]
asciilifeform and 100 yrs. of infrastructure. [06:25]
asciilifeform japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource' [06:25]
decimation it's true that it's much easier to get nitric acid when the nitric acid factory has been pumping it out two states away for a few decades [06:26]
asciilifeform - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice [06:26]
decimation the us had something like that a few decades ago, still coasting on its output [06:26]
asciilifeform let's take the liberty of abusing thermodynamics term, and say this is 'fuel' [06:26]
asciilifeform whereas u.s. (or moscow today) 'office plankton' is... ground state. [06:27]
asciilifeform fuel that's been burned. [06:27]
asciilifeform u.s. running on fumes. [06:27]
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asciilifeform e.g. i can get pcbs made here. it just costs 35x what it does in shanghai. [06:27]
asciilifeform because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc [06:28]
decimation When I was in Hawaii last week I thought about this w.r.t. Hawaii. They own one of the most strategic islands on earth [06:28]
decimation it could easily outsingapore singapore with its location. but it won't, because it is a combination of bezzle playground and indian reservation [06:29]
asciilifeform decimation: it's only strategic value is as 'unsinkable ship' [06:29]
asciilifeform otherwise it's a pisshole. (try finding an industrial vendor who will even ship there) [06:30]
asciilifeform if you could build a singapore there, that's another matter. [06:30]
decimation well, yes, today. but I would wager that if you exchanged the populations of hawaii and singapore, it wouldn't look that way for long [06:30]
asciilifeform aye [06:30]
asciilifeform not sure how long singapore will last as other than chinese colony after u.s. navy is unplugged [06:31]
asciilifeform ditto taiwan [06:32]
decimation on Maui there is a statue to Sun Yet-Sen in an obscure park: http://gohawaii.about.com/od/mauisights/ig/sun_yat_sen_park/ [06:33]
assbot Sun Yat Sen Park, Upcountry Maui Photo Gallery [06:33]
decimation when visiting, I discovered that Sun Yat Sen went to the same school as... Obama [06:34]
decimation when the usians are trading golden yuan pieces in a few decades they will remember this bit of history [06:34]
asciilifeform decimation: the middle kingdom != la serenissima. they'll be buying rice with paper yuans. [06:35]
mircea_popescu http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BPAY < [06:36]
assbot D.BPAY last @0.00000000 [06:36]
mircea_popescu that's basically how it's gonna look. welcoming questions as to the contract etc. [06:36]
asciilifeform neato [06:36]
mircea_popescu prolly starting to trade monday [06:36]
asciilifeform proving that one holds shares on fiat exchange might be energy-intensive [06:37]
decimation this is true. the amusing thing to me is that Obama rose with the new left under Maoism... and China today embraces (in action, not words) Chinese nationalism and rejects Mao [06:37]
asciilifeform (suddenly you're going over bezzlar paperwork with magnifying glass) [06:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why'd that be required ? [06:38]
asciilifeform nm bad reading [06:38]
* asciilifeform dug in ancient engine amidst mosquito clouds, tired [06:39]
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decimation I'm confused about who the counterparty is [06:40]
decimation I assume it's just you with your bitcoin bank right? [06:40]
asciilifeform mp has bank now?! [06:41]
decimation I'm using "bank" to mean "pile of bitcoin" [06:41]
mircea_popescu decimation actually im going to make a fund, so people can buy into it. [06:41]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, yes. [06:41]
decimation this is kind of a more open-ended version of your berkshire bet? [06:42]
mircea_popescu http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BTGO [06:43]
assbot D.BTGO last @0.00000000 [06:43]
mircea_popescu idem. if anyone wants to see more and they meet the criteria, let me know. [06:43]
mircea_popescu decimation not really. berkshire is not a shitstup [06:43]
decimation what happens if bitpay dissolves as an entity before a b or c happen? [06:44]
decimation shares go to zero value? [06:44]
mircea_popescu pretty much [06:44]
decimation I guess they are tickets to a show that never happened [06:45]
mircea_popescu something like that yea [06:45]
asciilifeform 'dead pool' ? [06:46]
decimation well, the seller of said tickets will be enriched ... :) [06:47]
* asciilifeform remembers 'fucked company' [06:47]
decimation still, to me it seems like you need to get a few of these to "fail" so you can build up a war chest as a credible counterparty [06:48]
mircea_popescu decimation why ? [06:48]
Mats_cd03 how fucking ridiculous [06:48]
asciilifeform war chest is there, to everyone's satisfaction, i imagine [06:49]
decimation I like bitbet because it's extremely transparent that way [06:49]
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decimation mats: what is rediculous? [06:51]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [06:52]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 604.34, Best ask: 605.46, Bid-ask spread: 1.12000, Last trade: 606.24, 24 hour volume: 5471.59645098, 24 hour low: 599.9, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.679332574 [06:52]
decimation it's been racheting up slowly from 500 [06:52]
decimation !down decimation [06:55]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/479463088870412288 [07:02]
assbot I was considering bidding on the seized SR bitcoin, but I think I'll just wait for the US Marshals to tweet the private keys to the winners. [07:02]
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mircea_popescu lol [07:04]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-fderp/ [07:18]
assbot Introducing F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:18]
Duffer1 o.0 [07:22]
mircea_popescu quite. [07:23]
mircea_popescu justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete << hey there. [07:25]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING << ahahaha [07:31]
mircea_popescu dude i think kako is like the funniest guy here. [07:31]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-fderp/ [07:35]
mircea_popescu gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. << this warms my cold dark heart. [07:35]
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punkman mircea_popescu: how so [07:42]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire << shit i wrote that ?! in another decade trilema'll be new reading to me too ;/ [07:43]
mircea_popescu punkman i like it when people build things upon things. [07:43]
mircea_popescu ;;google society for putting things on top of other things [07:43]
gribble Monty Python Royal Society for Putting Things on top of other things ...: ; Monty Python: Royal Society For Putting Things on Top of Other ...: ; Monty Python: The Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things: [07:43]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You wrote relatively recently [07:52]
mircea_popescu yeah, with it here i remember it. [07:52]
mircea_popescu “No one is wise enough or good enough to mould the character of any child… An adult generation that has seen two great wars and seems about to launch a third should not be trusted to mould the character of a rat.” [07:53]
mircea_popescu a.s. neil is perhaps the dumbest guy i read this year [07:53]
mircea_popescu what the fuck already. since when is war a disqualifier ? [07:53]
asciilifeform 'war - the mother of all things' [07:53]
mircea_popescu anyone wanna go kill this guy ? [07:53]
mircea_popescu or is he dead already ? [07:53]
BingoBoingo I'll assume he's already dead, at least on the inside [07:54]
mircea_popescu a well. [07:55]
mircea_popescu perhaps the next one. [07:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://clubs.ya.ru/4611686018427388682/replies.xml?item_no=24517 << 'saratov' fridge. 93 Wt. cost: 76 rub. date of manuf.: 1969. [08:05]
assbot - . [08:05]
asciilifeform caption, among other things 'ran for 40 yrs.' [08:05]
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asciilifeform plenty of comments, in the spirit, 'mine's built '65 and runs.' [08:07]
* asciilifeform thinks plenty of folks are grossly misinformed re: soviet hardware. [08:07]
* asciilifeform wonders in what western country you can buy a fridge that runs for 50 years. for $500? 5000, 50,000 ? [08:08]
mircea_popescu i was forcing a point !!1 [08:09]
asciilifeform crappy soviet hardware is very real [08:09]
mircea_popescu that point being, that the russian (actually, german, pre ww2) model works just fine with no ecological consideration [08:09]
asciilifeform and largely came from lack of necessaries [08:09]
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mircea_popescu or in otherwords, if you're willing to kill as many subhumans as it takes [08:10]
asciilifeform e.g. my father was once employed to reverse-engineer movie projectors [08:10]
asciilifeform couldn't get german steel for the part where the film stretches taught [08:10]
asciilifeform result - tolerances fail, film - snaps [08:10]
asciilifeform redesign. result -> cruddy kludge [08:10]
mircea_popescu myeah [08:11]
asciilifeform energy cost is a design parameter at the time of design - not now. [08:12]
asciilifeform my neighbour - rebuilds '40s-'50s amer cars. [08:12]
mircea_popescu o look at that, bids [08:12]
mircea_popescu $depth D.BPAY [08:12]
empyex mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=92 Or use a valid MPSIC! [08:12]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash [08:12]
mircea_popescu tsk tsk [08:13]
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FabianB $depth D.BPAY [08:16]
empyex FabianB: [D.BPAY] Bids: 100 @ 0.25000000 [08:16]
empyex FabianB: [D.BPAY] Asks: [08:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.052 = 0.884 BTC [+] [08:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDvikAG7cD8#t=15 << 4-cycle petrol engine built from that fridge's compressor. [08:22]
assbot 4 - YouTube [08:22]
mircea_popescu ahaha [08:26]
mircea_popescu FabianB :) danke [08:26]
FabianB np :) [08:26]
BingoBoingo %book [08:34]
atcbot 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 [08:34]
mircea_popescu lol is the 201 guy someone who bought at 200 and they figure THEY MUST PROFT [08:34]
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BingoBoingo I have no idea [08:40]
BingoBoingo Maybe it is someone who wants to see the market go down to grab cheap ATC? [08:41]
mircea_popescu mebbe [08:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00082258 = 8.6782 BTC [-] [08:49]
fluffypony dump, rebut in lower [08:52]
fluffypony *rebuy [08:52]
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jurov nice [09:23]
jurov mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there? [09:23]
jurov but they'll prolly have negative price :( [09:23]
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jurov anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins [09:33]
jurov they'll prolly need free coinbr account provided i'll sell their souls.. does anyone want them? [09:36]
jurov lol what pm i got ill take a 0 fee br acct [09:37]
jurov !up Vexual [09:37]
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Vexual yeah about the soul.. [09:37]
Vexual i'm ot sure i've got full title [09:38]
jurov markov chains did n't use to have souls [09:38]
jurov that doesn't preclude them to be sold anyway [09:40]
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Vexual yeah i'll have to read up on that [09:42]
Vexual with the 10 percent... [09:44]
Vexual perhaps someone will like to buy these [09:44]
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Vexual id like to be the photographer when rich b sits down with mirc p [09:48]
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Vexual i call it red wine and dentures [09:50]
Vexual cat hasn't even done a vice cover yet [09:54]
Vexual alternate cover:interviewer [09:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06947992 = 0.6948 BTC [-] {2} [10:38]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 [17:08]
-assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. [17:08]
danielpbarron I'm gonna be at porcfest next week; what can I do for the -assets community beyond generally promoting it in conversation? [17:08]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron want a tshirt ? [17:10]
danielpbarron I ordered one from nubbins` already; is there another shirt? [17:10]
mircea_popescu aok [17:10]
mircea_popescu nah i was gonna buy you one :) [17:10]
danielpbarron I don't expect that to arrive before I leave [17:10]
mircea_popescu well so next time [17:11]
chetty try to pay for stuff in bitcoin [17:11]
mircea_popescu or justkeep your bitcoin. either way :D [17:11]
danielpbarron i don't think i'll go to any future porcfests; i kinda regret buying the ticket for this one but i might as well use it at this point [17:11]
danielpbarron yeah i plan in selling stuff for BTC; not interested in shorting it [17:11]
mircea_popescu i never been, how they go ? [17:12]
mike_c http://porcfest.com/ hmm, i don't think this is what you're talking about. [17:12]
assbot PorcFest | The 11th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival [17:12]
danielpbarron yeah that's it [17:12]
mike_c oh :) is the porcupine community into bitcoin? [17:13]
mircea_popescu now im getting airbnb spam [17:13]
danielpbarron i've never been either; it's gonna be teeming with what MP refers to as "libertards" [17:13]
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mircea_popescu what the fuck srsly, the vc circuit is reducing to a spam&scamfest [17:13]
danielpbarron mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters [17:13]
mircea_popescu mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters << libertards srsly ?! [17:14]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu, the "free state project" participants, yes [17:15]
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mircea_popescu ah yea [17:15]
chetty well thats a different breed of libtards, not lefties [17:15]
danielpbarron i recall some story of ver going to visit ian from free talk live and convincing them to accept BTC for selling ad space [17:15]
danielpbarron libertards != libtards [17:16]
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mike_c ok, ok. this has nothing to do with the animal. [17:16]
danielpbarron i think aantonop is going to be there, among other "well known" idiots in the "bitcoin community" [17:17]
kakobrekla coinapult is a gold sponsor of the fest [17:18]
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kakobrekla wear a helmet, i guess. [17:18]
HeySteve hello [17:18]
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HeySteve wondering if anyone news sites have covered F.DERP yet... [17:19]
HeySteve uh any* [17:19]
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kakobrekla i doubt [17:22]
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mircea_popescu HeySteve go ahead. [17:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, off to a meeting, will bbl. [17:22]
HeySteve cool [17:22]
HeySteve mircea_popescu, I'd like to speak to you about it when you're back [17:22]
fluffypony !up peterl [17:23]
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peterl trying to wrap my head around what F.DERP is [17:24]
peterl does it profit from the derp companies doing good or bad? [17:24]
HeySteve a bet against "amazing companies" I guess [17:24]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:24]
HeySteve wish I'd gotten short on that wannabe pornstar guy who gambled all his investor's funds away [17:25]
kakobrekla the thing is you cant go short cause idiots are idiots. [17:25]
HeySteve kakobrekla, I believe idiocy will eventually end in failure. sure there might be an initial boom while other idiots pile in but... [17:26]
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punkman HeySteve: infinite hitpoints [17:27]
kakobrekla well not infinite but over 7 billion [17:28]
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kakobrekla which i guess is as good as infinite [17:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0695 = 0.695 BTC [+] [17:29]
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punkman kakobrekla, the idiot pool could theoretically stop replenishing itself [17:31]
HeySteve I assume BitPay and BitGo (which I haven't heard of) are the relevant companies [17:31]
punkman I wouldn't bet on it [17:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+] [17:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.06740031 = 2.8982 BTC [-] {5} [17:45]
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lobbes the more I read the logs, the more humble I become. Then I read the blogs... [17:55]
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kakobrekla !b 1 [17:57]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/13VVSFH.txt ) [17:57]
kakobrekla did ya read the bash? [17:58]
ThickAsThieves <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds. /// Sure, can someone provide the landing content/file? ;;later tell me or such, I'm very behind on logs and distracted by day trading lately [18:02]
mike_c sure, it's not a web page though, it's a DNS thing [18:03]
mike_c you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know. [18:04]
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bitcoinpete More lulzy feedback from the litecoin article: [18:06]
bitcoinpete "your article on litecoin is one of the worst, most unresearched journalism attempts ive ever seen. Hang your head in shame" [18:06]
bitcoinpete "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives." [18:07]
bitcoinpete "Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up" [18:07]
penguirker New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/19/the-free-health-club-membership-an-experiment-in-roi/ [18:07]
bitcoinpete dammit, thought i changed that url... [18:08]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves [18:08]
asciilifeform http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mpex.co [18:08]
fluffypony I already linked to the github repo for it [18:08]
assbot Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? [18:08]
bitcoinpete asciilifeform: huh [18:08]
bitcoinpete i'm seeing the same [18:09]
bitcoinpete https://twitter.com/KryptoKoolio/status/479635487213486080 [18:09]
assbot /bitcoinpete Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up [18:09]
Blazedout419 ;;isitdown mpex.co [18:09]
bitcoinpete i really gotta get clued up [18:09]
gribble mpex.co is down [18:09]
Blazedout419 ^^ grib can checks [18:09]
kakobrekla its down [18:09]
asciilifeform neato [18:09]
bitcoinpete quite neat [18:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: another smoking disk ? [18:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06504115 = 6.5041 BTC [-] {14} [18:10]
kakobrekla he is off on a meeting or smth [18:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-] [18:11]
penguirker New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/19/the-free-health-club-membership-an-experiment-in-monthly-vs-annual-payments/ [18:14]
bitcoinpete so penguirker re-posts when the url is changed eh [18:14]
mike_c ;;isitdown mpex.coinbr.com [18:15]
gribble mpex.coinbr.com is up [18:15]
fluffypony modern teknologies [18:16]
bitcoinpete http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-forms-committee-create-bitcoin-unicode-symbol/ << committees! [18:18]
assbot Bitcoin Foundation Mulling Standard BTC Denominations, Bitcoin Unicode [18:18]
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fluffypony bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do? [18:21]
fluffypony bitcoinbong is still my favourite [18:21]
bitcoinpete lol [18:21]
bitcoinpete "that coffee will be 19 bitcoinbongs, please" [18:22]
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bitcoinpete "The company known for computer chips on Thursday plans to announce the availability of an app that lets people leave offbeat animated messages using smartphones. It exploits the device’s camera and microphone to capture a user’s facial movements and voice, which are used to control cartoon-like figures known as avatars in recorded sequences." [18:31]
bitcoinpete http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/intel-serves-up-mobile-message-avatars/ [18:31]
assbot Intel Serves up Mobile-Message Avatars - Digits - WSJ [18:31]
bitcoinpete but i bet intel's rng is still good [18:32]
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bitcoinpete on the amd side… http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/amd-vows-25-fold-increase-in-chip-energy-efficiency/ [18:33]
assbot AMD Vows 25-Fold Increase in Chip Energy-Efficiency - Digits - WSJ [18:33]
bitcoinpete which should be useful for mining and such [18:33]
moiety herro eberybady [18:34]
bitcoinpete moiety: heya [18:35]
HeySteve this could be important... http://wikileaks.org/tisa-financial/ [18:37]
assbot Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex [18:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2259989 = 1.13 BTC [-] {2} [18:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.72668865 BTC to 9`245 shares, 18677 satoshi per share [19:00]
moiety !up kermit [19:00]
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moiety omg im so nervous thinking about BB, can't wait to hear how it all went today. i know he'll be fine but still [19:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00082384 = 13.2638 BTC [+] [19:10]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.82877738 BTC. Current weight: 39,102. [19:14]
FabianB $traded [19:16]
empyex FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE [19:16]
pankkake !mpif [19:17]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021674 BTC (Total: 433.49 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+] [19:17]
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moiety they've made 11 videos from OSCON 2013 available for free http://www.oscon.com/oscon2014/public/content/mainstage-video?imm_mid=0be4b3&cmp=em-prog-confreg-info-os14_free_video_mainstage [19:25]
assbot Mainstage Video: OSCON 2014 - O'Reilly Conferences, July 20 - 24, 2014, Portland, OR [19:25]
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bitstein http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression + http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419 = much fun for bitcoin [19:42]
assbot Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge [19:42]
assbot Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin within the Reach of the IMF by Nicholas Plassaras :: SSRN [19:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [-] {2} [19:52]
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HeySteve yeah bitstein, seems russia are a move ahead again [19:56]
HeySteve mircea_popescu I am away now but will be back in about 8 hours or so [19:56]
HeySteve cheers all [19:57]
kakobrekla good luck [19:57]
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BingoBoingo moiety: went well [20:00]
moiety :D brilliant BingoBoingo! When will they get in touch? [20:02]
BingoBoingo Late next week after the other interviews. [20:02]
BingoBoingo I think I've got this one. [20:03]
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BingoBoingo Only two other people get interviewed [20:04]
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pankkake http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/yo-app-1-million-dollars_n_5507634.html [20:08]
assbot An App That Does Nothing Except Say 'Yo' Raises One. Million. Dollars. [20:08]
moiety sorry for delay, just spilled coffee everywhere, which is really useful. only two others is even better BingoBoingo. do you think they will call? they're usually pretty good for that here [20:10]
moiety some people just make you wait on a letter which is just crap [20:11]
BingoBoingo moiety: They said they will. I think some things attractive about the job to me (odd hours, duties from four other people's jobs) are going to come out as turnoff in the other interviews. [20:11]
moiety exciting times! i think i've been more nervous than you today! [20:12]
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BingoBoingo I also encountered one of asciilifeform's defective birds earlier in the day. [20:14]
pankkake ;;later tell bitcoinpete your latest post reminds me of the http://trollscience.com/ "infinite money" [20:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:15]
assbot Science You Wish Were True :: Troll Science [20:15]
BingoBoingo Attacked my windshield, and then was made to comply with a standard [20:15]
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BingoBoingo 'Murica http://www.salon.com/2014/06/19/honey_boo_boo_is_a_monster_what_reality_tv_did_to_the_pint_size_pageant_queen/ [20:25]
assbot Honey Boo Boo is a monster: What reality TV did to the pint-size pageant queen - Salon.com [20:25]
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pankkake …where the author realizes tv is fake. duh [20:33]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: birds ? [20:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Defective bird attacked my windshield. Unlike the bird that attacked your window... THis one could only make one attempt before being corrected by physics. [20:37]
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pankkake !up aabtc [20:40]
asciilifeform helps when window moves. [20:40]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Indeed, self defending window. Only mess was some feathers and dust. [20:41]
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asciilifeform pankkake, BingoBoingo: https://vimeo.com/68401939 [20:43]
assbot Simpsons - Thermodynamic 2nd Law on Vimeo [20:43]
pankkake lol /r/litecoin is bagholding so damn hard [20:45]
BingoBoingo %book [20:46]
atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 [20:46]
BingoBoingo %ticker [20:48]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 58k High: 201 Low: 200 VWAP: 200 [20:48]
pankkake http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/28k4v8/why_does_everybody_lie_and_say_that_litecoin_is/ lol so butthurt [20:49]
assbot Why does everybody lie and say that Litecoin is faster than Bitcoin? : litecoin [20:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Like with winnie the pooh do the Russians have a less jaundiced Simpsons? [20:52]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not afaik [20:53]
BingoBoingo Shame [20:53]
pankkake they have winnie the poo? [20:53]
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asciilifeform pankkake: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5swOZ1EYk [20:53]
assbot . . HD ! - YouTube [20:53]
penguirker New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/update/ [20:56]
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moiety did my post break freenode?! [21:35]
fluffypony clearly [21:35]
fluffypony lol [21:35]
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moiety probably because it included manuls this time [21:37]
fluffypony I would think so [21:38]
pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-forms-committee-create-bitcoin-unicode-symbol/ for once, something useful [21:43]
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pankkake http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/06/19/1622256/intel-to-offer-custom-xeons-with-embedded-fpgas-for-the-data-center [21:47]
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moiety pankkake: foundation will be able to answer something when asked what they actually do now i guess [21:59]
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moiety !up frank1e [22:04]
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ThickAsThieves <+asciilifeform> 'Avarus, Inc. (“we”, “us”, “our”) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a “blank check” shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol! /// The Havelock System [22:14]
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moiety so do bits go missing from logs if assbot isn't here? [22:17]
mike_c yup [22:17]
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moiety ah, thanks [22:18]
FabianB $traded [22:22]
empyex FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.BBET S.MPOE [22:22]
FabianB aha, S.BBET during netsplit [22:23]
benkay gorgeous power politics: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fracking/10911942/Russia-in-secret-plot-against-fracking-Nato-chief-says.html [22:24]
assbot Russia in secret plot against fracking, Nato chief says - Telegraph [22:24]
benkay http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/servers/onmetal/ [22:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00082513 = 15.0174 BTC [+] {2} [22:26]
benkay http://thecodelesscode.com/case/26 [22:34]
assbot The Codeless Code: Case 26 The Uncorrected Monk [22:34]
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asciilifeform 'Perhaps the Russians are worried about our huge wind and solar potential, and have infiltrated the UK Government.' << lol. wreckers. [22:47]
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benkay wreckers? [22:59]
asciilifeform benkay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_people [23:00]
assbot Enemy of the people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [23:00]
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benkay myeah [23:01]
benkay thx [23:01]
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pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/bolivias-central-bank-bans-bitcoin-digital-currencies/ [23:12]
assbot Bolivia's Central Bank Bans Bitcoin and All Digital Currencies [23:12]
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benkay pankkake: it begins :) [23:17]
benkay argentina had a chance to do the same before the Migration [23:18]
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chetty benkay, but argentina has this habit of doing different than everyone else [23:19]
benkay i wouldn't really know [23:20]
benkay haven't been around long enough or read enough [23:20]
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thestringpuller !mpif [23:24]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021682 BTC (Total: 433.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+] [23:24]
thestringpuller !jd mpif [23:25]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.39784744 BTC; +0.37267627 BTC (+0.2179%) since last check 1d 9h 3m 49s ago. [23:25]
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FabianB $depth f.mpif [23:29]
empyex FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021682 100 @ 0.00021674 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021664 [23:29]
empyex FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 444 @ 0.00021726 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 [23:29]
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chetty http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/wikileaks-publish-secret-trade-services-agreement-tisa-financial-services-annex/ [23:59]
assbot Wikileaks Publish Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex [23:59]
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