Forum logs for 19 Jun 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform | ^ finally forced myself to read that book - not a fan. despite not really disagreeing with the arguments (to the extent the man bothered to make arguments) | [00:00] |
asciilifeform | it is very reminiscent of the 'atheism books' one finds in u.s. shops. if you were never a christian, they're a total snore. | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? | [00:02] |
jurov | ;;calc 4250217919*2.9 | [00:02] |
gribble | 12325631965.1 | [00:02] |
jurov | def capped | [00:02] |
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mike_c | i would hope so. diff flipped on the 18th though. | [00:03] |
jurov | did it? lol | [00:03] |
mike_c | but since it hasn't been announced yet, i assume capped. | [00:03] |
mike_c | (and i may or may not be talking my book here) | [00:03] |
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fluffypony | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656861.msg7383469#msg7383469 | [00:09] |
assbot | CRYPTNEY- Bringing Crypto Currency to the Masses! | [00:09] |
fluffypony | "If you are on my investors mailing list this is the email number. Please cross check. | [00:09] |
fluffypony | To confirm email please match numbers. | [00:09] |
fluffypony | Private investor email #134252" | [00:09] |
fluffypony | lol | [00:09] |
fluffypony | who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz | [00:10] |
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mike_c | if only there were a way to verify who wrote an email.. | [00:13] |
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fluffypony | mike_c: I know | [00:14] |
punkman | yo dawg I heard u like difficulty: "The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. " | [00:15] |
fluffypony | it would be a marvellous invention | [00:15] |
punkman | http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/ | [00:15] |
assbot | How to Disincentivize Large Bitcoin Mining Pools | [00:15] |
fluffypony | someone should add that | [00:15] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00082643 = 8.099 BTC [-] | [00:25] |
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Mats_cd03 | http://youtu.be/jaRsJvZgg2s | [00:26] |
assbot | ZHU - Faded (ODESZA Remix) - YouTube | [00:26] |
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dignork | punkman: this proposition does not solve anything really. gigahash will run his private servers to solve the second puzzle, happily keeping 99% of hashing power. | [00:28] |
punkman | I'm sure it's braindamaged | [00:29] |
punkman | too long, didn't read | [00:29] |
dignork | tl;dr version: we add another puzzle with controllable difficulty, which pool will have to solve, but it uses privkey, so he won't outsource it. | [00:30] |
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punkman | ah thx ;) | [00:31] |
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Mats_cd03 | https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/moby-almost-home-sound-remedy-remix | [00:33] |
assbot | Moby - Almost Home (Sound Remedy Remix) by Sound Remedy on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds | [00:33] |
mircea_popescu |
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mircea_popescu | * chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// << the funny thingbeing... i don't even drink that much tea :D | [00:39] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [-] | [00:42] |
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Naphex | mircea_popescu: omu numa prostii observa si invata vad ca | [00:44] |
Naphex | :) | [00:44] |
Naphex | at some point maybe people will wise up and stop comming into bitcoin like its hipster web3.0 | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | ok so believe it or not, trilema credits just had its first hash collision. two guys with very reasonable emails + their ips hash as the same thing. who knew. | [00:47] |
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Naphex | the cookie hashing scheme seemed a bit lacking | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | Naphex not gonna happen. remember patriciu thinking he's going to be rich by copying berlusconi (adevarul), | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | or that sad sad mic.ro debacle ? | [00:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082578 = 6.6888 BTC [-] | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google moartea ca o veste buna | [00:49] |
gribble | Octombrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [00:49] |
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mircea_popescu | bah | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ | [00:49] |
assbot | Moartea ca o veste buna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [00:49] |
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mircea_popescu | that should prolly be in english | [00:50] |
Naphex | doubt it would sound that good in english | [00:51] |
Naphex | romanian has a good way of adding feeling into writing :) | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | i guess so. | [00:51] |
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mircea_popescu | los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ? << they claim they do. | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | sort -of, kinda. | [00:56] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffjun-has-settled-2/ | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench << this is a dubious proposition at best. | [00:56] |
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mircea_popescu | the difference between us being, of course, that i've had occasion to beat things out of people. | [00:57] |
TheNewDeal | MP, i thought the US has the wallets, but they do not have the password to unencrypt | [00:57] |
mircea_popescu | all too often it goes like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d5yU-aQ34 | [00:58] |
assbot | CASINO(1995) TORTURE SCENE.. - YouTube | [00:58] |
Naphex | here is a question, will USMS send the bitcoin to the winer or give him private keys/paper wallet?:) | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal right. | [00:58] |
TheNewDeal | surprised he didn't have it backed up anywhere? | [00:58] |
TheNewDeal | I am surprised * | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | they don't have the EXCLUSIVE now do they | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | info wants to be free. | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | for all the usg knows, we all have a copy, and the keys, and are sitting here lolling at their punk ass. | [00:59] |
TheNewDeal | what do you mean exclusive, like the sole copy? | [01:00] |
mircea_popescu | ya | [01:01] |
mircea_popescu | punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror << lol make it longer! | [01:01] |
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mircea_popescu | btw, if the usms manages to get SCAMMED out of the sale... | [01:02] |
fluffypony | needs moar whitespace! | [01:02] |
mircea_popescu | o boy. that'll be the lol of all time. | [01:02] |
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fluffypony | http://i.imgur.com/at1Klvk.jpg | [01:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13013 @ 0.00082547 = 10.7418 BTC [-] {2} | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller: never really knew his real name << http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-iii/ like. | [01:03] |
asciilifeform | usms manages to get SCAMMED << had urge to bet on this, immediately after the press release. then understood that probably 'badBet.' | [01:03] |
assbot | Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul III pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | gotta read trilemaz. | [01:03] |
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mircea_popescu | punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791 << clearly usagi has a future. | [01:04] |
assbot | Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News | [01:04] |
BingoBoingo | Bitpay continues burning money at an alarming rate http://valleywag.gawker.com/there-will-be-a-bitcoin-ncaa-bowl-game-1592534915/+laceydonohue | [01:04] |
assbot | There Will Be a Bitcoin NCAA Bowl Game | [01:04] |
mircea_popescu | Mats_cd03: shit, nigga << my words exactly :D | [01:05] |
Naphex | mircea_popescu: was that interview in romanian or translated? | [01:05] |
TheNewDeal | 3 year sponsorship... dman | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | translated. nanotube doesn't yet speak it | [01:05] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: So 3-10 million burned | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | o hey, less than neobee | [01:06] |
TheNewDeal | maybe even less | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | course, cyprus advertising is kinda useless | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo 2.5ish afaik | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN? << was announced. | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c ^ | [01:07] |
mike_c | i saw. wise decision. | [01:07] |
BingoBoingo | 2.5 ish is stil close to 10% of their last fundraising round | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? << kinda why i wanted him to come here. | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | it's my estimation that he's like a russian hound running with pudels, | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | which is the worst thing that can happen to the hound. the poodles... well... what do they care. | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo btw, do you know about how much a round COSTS ? | [01:09] |
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mike_c | it might have :) | [01:09] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: No, but I assume it costs a lot of sweat and treasure... and equity | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz << epic lol | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo it costs money. | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | you gotta pay all sorts of people, and generally upfront fees. | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | this is why corps that blow a round and surivive are so rar. | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | e | [01:10] |
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mircea_popescu | also exactly where the vc wants them : once they're in the ring they pretty much gotta close, no matter what the termsheet. | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | the other side of course has no such constraints. | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | "Confirmado: no hay precio para el dólar. Nadie vende, solo compran a $ 12.30". | [01:12] |
TheNewDeal | called that xdiff june was underrated | [01:12] |
mircea_popescu | the peso looks well in trouble lol | [01:12] |
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TheNewDeal | which peso? so many | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | argentine | [01:14] |
mircea_popescu | this country is getting so fucken sweet... | [01:15] |
benkay | lol except for the machinery | [01:15] |
benkay | how on earth are you supposed to run a machine shop when they hold your mills at the border? | [01:16] |
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mircea_popescu | "Overall, it provides a gentle fix to the recent GHash fiasco" | [01:16] |
mircea_popescu | derp. | [01:16] |
mircea_popescu | i guess scammers and academics will never stfu are they | [01:16] |
benkay | seriously mircea_popescu how can one have a good time without CNC machinery? | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | why without ? | [01:18] |
benkay | how to get a big-boy mill into ars? | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | how the fuck can current miners preserve ths investment lmao | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | benkay you import it, like anything else ? | [01:19] |
benkay | except that it gets stopped at the border. | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | "This mechanism is easy to devise following a community discussion that establishes the principles" | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | holy hell already. | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | benkay who told you this ? and why ? | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, gotta broadway nao. laters. | [01:21] |
benkay | some argentinian. to keep me from doing things? | [01:21] |
TheNewDeal | you can't import cnc equipment into argentina? | [01:21] |
benkay | the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. | [01:22] |
TheNewDeal | who's going to run a cnc shop? I work on cnc equipment at the moment | [01:22] |
benkay | but i'd just looooooove to plop down 600k to test the theory. | [01:22] |
benkay | it's on the list of things to buy, TheNewDeal . | [01:23] |
TheNewDeal | we could import it in parts and then bujild it | [01:23] |
TheNewDeal | you* | [01:23] |
benkay | hue | [01:23] |
TheNewDeal | ewe | [01:23] |
dignork | just funny: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/18/bitcoin-auction/ | [01:24] |
assbot | US Marshall Accidentally Reply-Alls Anonymous Bitcoin Auction Bidders In Email Fiasco | TechCrunch | [01:24] |
TheNewDeal | noooo way | [01:25] |
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TheNewDeal | oh that's lame, they showed the email with blacked out names | [01:26] |
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dignork | TheNewDeal: dunno who blacked the names, somebody got the full list though | [01:27] |
TheNewDeal | techcrunch did | [01:27] |
dignork | usms later said that these are not bidders, just people that where asking for clarifications | [01:27] |
TheNewDeal | or at least that is what the article claims | [01:27] |
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TheNewDeal | in other news, "US Marshal only spelled with one L" | [01:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5136 @ 0.00082459 = 4.2351 BTC [-] | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | benkay: i hear they'll let your machine through if you bring it as... carry-on baggage | [01:30] |
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TheNewDeal | good luck with that | [01:34] |
TheNewDeal | you're asking for many questions from people who will be very suspicious and will not understand your answers | [01:35] |
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asciilifeform | i suppose if your cargo looks immediately valuable, you might have problems. | [01:36] |
TheNewDeal | thats ridiculous | [01:37] |
TheNewDeal | o-scope was phat though | [01:38] |
jurov | you should have painted it as doomsday device | [01:38] |
TheNewDeal | nuclear warning | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | take analog scope, glue fins. | [01:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.068 = 3.468 BTC [+] {2} | [01:39] |
TheNewDeal | how expensive is an analog scope? | [01:40] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: if you make the right friends - free. | [01:40] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: if you want a new unit with reasonable bandwidth - a few $K. | [01:40] |
TheNewDeal | thats what I was seeing when I looked it up. quite amazed | [01:41] |
asciilifeform | it'll put you over the weight limit for most airlines, though. | [01:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+] | [01:41] |
TheNewDeal | 50 pounds?!? | [01:43] |
asciilifeform | approx | [01:43] |
TheNewDeal | whaaaaat | [01:43] |
asciilifeform | varies. | [01:43] |
TheNewDeal | thats ridiculous | [01:43] |
asciilifeform | analogue scope has its virtues. as i understand, most tech types own both kinds. | [01:44] |
TheNewDeal | what do they have in university labs? I always assumed those ones were very inexpensive | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: usually chinese digital scopes, like mine | [01:46] |
TheNewDeal | ahhhh | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | depends on the uni | [01:46] |
TheNewDeal | of course | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | mine must've had a good payola year, because they had costly hp units | [01:47] |
TheNewDeal | oOo | [01:49] |
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BingoBoingo | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/hacker-infects-synology-storage-devices-makes-off-with-620000-in-dogecoin/ | [01:53] |
assbot | Hacker infects Synology storage devices, makes off with $620,000 in Dogecoin | Ars Technica | [01:54] |
TheNewDeal | ascii why did you say that buproprion is useless? | [01:54] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: useless is perhaps wrong word | [01:55] |
asciilifeform | pharmacologically weak, like 'nonalcoholic' beer, rather. | [01:55] |
asciilifeform | you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy. | [01:56] |
BingoBoingo | !b 4 | [01:56] |
assbot | Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Q980S5.txt ) | [01:56] |
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BingoBoingo | I'm telling you that cholorine atom on the ring is the only thing holding it back from greatness and success in the back alley | [01:57] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: snip it, add a methyl, ---> methcathinone | [01:58] |
asciilifeform | (brief career as antidepressant in ussr) | [01:58] |
TheNewDeal | what is the way to rate a dopamine reuptake inhibitor | [01:58] |
asciilifeform | now a kitchen favourite in usa | [01:58] |
asciilifeform | *snip methyl | [02:00] |
BingoBoingo | It's really amazing how many catecholemine affecting drugs are merely the base chemical with various things snipped or tacked on... | [02:01] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [02:01] |
BingoBoingo | Entirely different effects built from the same core https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propanolol#mediaviewer/File:Propranolol-skeletal.svg | [02:03] |
assbot | Propranolol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | [02:03] |
asciilifeform | http://imgur.com/JlsaEDI << drug for ThePoor (tm) | [02:05] |
assbot | imgur: the simple image sharer | [02:05] |
BingoBoingo | lol | [02:05] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: http://i34.tinypic.com/34sqzx2.jpg | [02:10] |
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TheNewDeal | you two are ridiculous | [02:13] |
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jurov | dudes and gals, you were really in bashful mood recently | [02:26] |
jurov | 22 quotes added | [02:26] |
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Naphex | "The Amazon phone is finally here: Amazon unveils the Fire Phone" -> http://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bgr-amazon-smartphone-kindle-fire-phone.jpg?w=952&h=575&crop=1 | [02:31] |
Naphex | so.. iphone with windows ui, got it | [02:31] |
Naphex | lousy name for a product though, fire phone | [02:32] |
mike_c | i think amazon runs custom droid builds | [02:32] |
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jurov | !up justlurking | [02:34] |
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jurov | !up dignork | [02:35] |
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punkman | but jurov he only wanted to lurk | [02:35] |
justlurking | thanks jurov; I'm here pre-Yeshiva | [02:35] |
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BingoBoingo | justlurking: Another one of Pete's jews? | [02:53] |
benkay | lol | [02:53] |
TheNewDeal | lol | [02:53] |
BingoBoingo | justlurking: You could do the thing I did, pick a silly name and then later find out you are stuck with it. | [02:55] |
justlurking | probably? | [02:55] |
benkay | that will definitely happen. | [02:56] |
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benkay | pick a name you like and use it. | [02:56] |
justlurking | yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete | [02:57] |
TheNewDeal | I was actually allowed to change my name :D | [03:03] |
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mike_c | tredos something something? | [03:05] |
BingoBoingo | !up justlurking | [03:05] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;google manul | [03:07] |
gribble | Pallas's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082303 = 21.0696 BTC [-] {5} | [03:09] |
TheNewDeal | so I was just reading about the sentencing of Sabu. does anyone know the first time a judge mandated a keylogger in the USSA? | [03:09] |
BingoBoingo | That we know of... | [03:10] |
TheNewDeal | what? | [03:10] |
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TheNewDeal | I was asking what was the first time you heard of that | [03:11] |
BingoBoingo | The first time a keylogger was mandated may have come from one of those seekrit courts | [03:11] |
BingoBoingo | You know like the ones that order those drone strikes | [03:12] |
TheNewDeal | not really. never heard of a court mandated drone strike | [03:12] |
BingoBoingo | Well, Obama's a lawyer so he just kind of holds these things himself | [03:13] |
BingoBoingo | It's why BitBet is a better court | [03:13] |
TheNewDeal | reading about it as we speak | [03:14] |
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moiety | http://i.imgur.com/qQn4C.jpg | [03:18] |
TheNewDeal | manul!? | [03:18] |
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moiety | TheNewDeal: yeah i get a note when manul is mentioned so i just returned a picture.... like a manual manul bot, if you will :D | [03:22] |
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BingoBoingo | !b 1 | [03:23] |
assbot | Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HF2694.txt ) | [03:23] |
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BingoBoingo | http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/01/patients-die/ | [03:27] |
assbot | Medical Students Horrified to Learn that all Patients Die, Eventually | Medical Satire - GomerBlog | [03:27] |
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BingoBoingo | http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/11/weight-loss-worms/ | [03:29] |
assbot | Secret of Successful Weight Loss Clinic: Tape Worms | Medical Satire - GomerBlog | [03:29] |
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TheNewDeal | bingoboingo, that we weren't able to strike a deal on the difficulty had little to do with wording. More to do with you placing your bet later than I trying to sell my Yes bets | [03:31] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Well, it was a simple disagreement in pricing. Particularly how to price these things. We both disagree on how to do it. | [03:33] |
TheNewDeal | I think it's rather trivial to price them, but finding something that would make sense financially between the two of us was the difficult task | [03:34] |
BingoBoingo | Well, there's also the problem whereing I lack the experience and reputation to feel comfortable selling a synthetic bet. | [03:35] |
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TheNewDeal | uncomfortable, it is *yoda voice* | [03:36] |
BingoBoingo | Maybe if I MM'd MPOE options I'd feel comfortable offering a synthetic, but as a person who MM's ATC... | [03:36] |
BingoBoingo | %book | [03:36] |
atcbot | 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 | [03:36] |
TheNewDeal | haha | [03:37] |
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BingoBoingo | Even though the circumstances in which the actual underlying couldn't cover the synthetic would have been exceedingly unlikely... Trading on an artificial weight would have set a bad precedent. | [03:38] |
BingoBoingo | %ticker | [03:39] |
atcbot | [X-BT] Bid: 161 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 37k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 160 | [03:39] |
TheNewDeal | well you did offer the buyer (mike_c was it?) a discount on the price | [03:39] |
TheNewDeal | which is essentially the same thing | [03:39] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Sure I offered a discount, and I tried offering you the same as well. A discount and a synthetic weight though are very different animals. | [03:42] |
TheNewDeal | depending on the amount being purchased though | [03:42] |
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TheNewDeal | if you originally bet 1 btc, you could "get away with" selling .5 btc at double the timeweight | [03:43] |
TheNewDeal | neglecting the 1% fee... | [03:43] |
BingoBoingo | "get away with" at the cost of setting a horrible precedent | [03:44] |
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asciilifeform | sabu sentenced to keylogger << 2015: public urinator sentenced to toiletcam | [03:45] |
TheNewDeal | hahahaha | [03:45] |
BingoBoingo | !up Pierre_Rochard | [03:47] |
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punkman | ;;view | [03:54] |
gribble | #20792 Wed Jun 18 20:53:44 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 hour of tech support @ 0.02 BTC (Support for bitbet.py (https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py) , Minor feature requests accommodated. While supplies last.) | [03:54] |
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punkman | hurr hurr | [03:55] |
TheNewDeal | tech support | [03:55] |
TheNewDeal | can you expand | [03:55] |
punkman | getting it installed, usage, etc | [03:55] |
TheNewDeal | did you develop it? | [03:56] |
punkman | in a hurry | [03:56] |
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TheNewDeal | might have to hit you up with that later | [03:58] |
TheNewDeal | ;;rate punkman 0 bitbet.py developer, selling support | [03:59] |
gribble | Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero. | [03:59] |
TheNewDeal | whaaat | [03:59] |
TheNewDeal | haven't you heard of neutral gribble? | [03:59] |
BingoBoingo | ;;rate punkman 1 gambling software | [04:00] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. | [04:00] |
TheNewDeal | ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet.py developer, selling support | [04:02] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. | [04:02] |
punkman | TheNewDeal: here's how it looks now: http://i.imgur.com/6mwsor1.png | [04:02] |
TheNewDeal | yah I think bingoboingo was showing me outputs the other day | [04:03] |
BingoBoingo | punkman: is this a whole new Bitbet.py | [04:03] |
punkman | BingoBoingo: nothing to do with that old bitbets.py | [04:04] |
BingoBoingo | punkman: Maybe give it a new name then... | [04:04] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: I used the original | [04:04] |
punkman | suggestions welcome, but levenshtein distance of 1 is good enough for me :P | [04:05] |
TheNewDeal | here's a potential suggestion to ponder, we can talk about it more if I get back at you. Placing future bets to see how the pot changes | [04:06] |
punkman | that's what it does | [04:06] |
TheNewDeal | oh rery | [04:06] |
TheNewDeal | it doesn't analyze only the current list of bets to date? | [04:06] |
BingoBoingo | That's kinda the whole point of these tools | [04:06] |
BingoBoingo | adding hypothetical future and past bets | [04:07] |
BingoBoingo | Drugs http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/162417/1fing.jpg | [04:07] |
punkman | the "*me" bet in the screenshot is a hypothetical bet | [04:08] |
BingoBoingo | Lead to http://gawker.com/teen-loses-finger-during-rave-keeps-going-because-bas-1592911313 | [04:08] |
assbot | Teen Loses Finger During Rave, Keeps Going Because "Bass Was Hard" | [04:08] |
TheNewDeal | ridiculous | [04:10] |
moiety | i watched this program called "What Happens in Kavos" and it was all people like that. broken legs, ribs, noses but so wasted they either don't notice or don't feel it enough to do anything about it | [04:10] |
BingoBoingo | Well, the right combinations of lights and sounds can be as dirorienting as the drugs | [04:11] |
punkman | moiety: yeah that seems to be a common theme where brits go to vacation | [04:11] |
moiety | so silly, why pay to get broken | [04:14] |
BingoBoingo | Sometimes the fun in an activity comes from the potential for breaking, and the times people break reinforce the excitement. | [04:15] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/27/steven-hatfills-strange-trip-accused-terrorist-medical-adventurer-255295.html | [04:17] |
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asciilifeform | ;;google bruce ivings | [04:23] |
gribble | Bruce Edwards Ivins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [04:23] |
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asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: ^ related | [04:23] |
asciilifeform | ^ case of 'staple gun'-style 'suicide' | [04:24] |
asciilifeform | scandal was pinned on the corpse. case closed. | [04:24] |
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BingoBoingo | Yeah. Hatfill's current plans are interesting though now that he has extracted money from the gasenwagen's cheerleaders | [04:25] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: have you seen this home-spun open source Verilog tool: http://www.clifford.at/yosys/ | [04:27] |
assbot | Yosys Open SYnthesis Suite :: About | [04:27] |
BingoBoingo | Antrax was an absolutely stupid thing to try weaponizing while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_pseudomallei exists | [04:27] |
assbot | Burkholderia pseudomallei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | [04:27] |
decimation | supposed these people will make you a chip for ~$500 https://www.efabless.com/ - long on hype and short on details though | [04:28] |
asciilifeform | decimation: these are a dime a dozen. not very useful for fpga work, as the latter have proprietary pieces that, if you do not use, leave you with a monstrously bloated design that fits nowhere. | [04:28] |
kakobrekla | ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet cli dev | [04:29] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. | [04:29] |
asciilifeform | decimation: $500 << do they also have a bridge we can buy ? | [04:30] |
decimation | yeah the problem is that even if you could get a chip made for free, the cost of reasonable tools to make reasonable designs are prohibative | [04:30] |
asciilifeform | decimation: not really. can use, e.g. 'magic' | [04:30] |
BingoBoingo | I kind of wonder what an asynchronous ASIC design would do to BTC mining | [04:31] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: only one way to find out | [04:31] |
decimation | oh yeah I forgot that guy - I think you sent the link before. I was amused by the Tcl | [04:32] |
decimation | http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=519 "MK: The cost is going to be dependent on the process technology, but let's assume it can be in 0.35 or 0.18. Most designs are probably going to be done for about $500 plus silicon costs which could be in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars. You will get your chips in about eight to ten weeks." | [04:33] |
assbot | Planet Analog - Brian Bailey - Mohamed Kassem: Q&A With the Company Founder | [04:33] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Of course. It would either be the last great way to profit from mining or an loss, magnitude to be determined | [04:33] |
decimation | ancient process of course, but still would be very useful if true | [04:33] |
asciilifeform | decimation: crucial details missing. e.g. turnaround, yield (% working), whether they package the dies | [04:34] |
asciilifeform | (if unpackaged - have fun welding the gold whiskers on yourself) | [04:34] |
BingoBoingo | "Hatfill looked up, holding his cash and smiling, and said, “At least let John Ashcroft pay for it.”" | [04:34] |
asciilifeform | likewise, your design will go straight to the chicoms, who will produce it at their pleasure. | [04:35] |
decimation | heh yeah unpackaged would be pretty useless | [04:35] |
BingoBoingo | In about 12 hours I have an interview for a job in the bezzel economy, so pumped | [04:35] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: you've been starving all this time? | [04:35] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Not starving, scraping. Live poor nao to live rich later. | [04:36] |
BingoBoingo | ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire | [04:37] |
gribble | How to live to be rich. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: |
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asciilifeform | it's a great essay, but ought to have been named 'how to die to be rich' | [04:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.0008261 = 1.8587 BTC [+] | [04:41] |
BingoBoingo | Eh, details | [04:42] |
asciilifeform | also ignores certain unpleasant realities: | [04:42] |
asciilifeform | e.g. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#606983 | [04:42] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets log | [04:42] |
decimation | http://www.isegoria.net/2014/06/the-chaos-wrought-by-progressive-education/ | [04:44] |
assbot | The Chaos Wrought By Progressive Education « Isegoria | [04:44] |
decimation | Everyone at our school knows who Dylan is. He comes and goes to lessons as he pleases, habitually swears at teachers, and is an accomplished playground bully. ... I was surprised to hear Dylan?s name announced. He had collected one of the largest amounts of ?reward stickers? in year seven, and was due to collect a prize. Many teachers, it turned out, had taken to bribing him with these stickers in a desperate attempt to appease his | [04:44] |
decimation | unruliness. | [04:44] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: It turns out that the cure to an American "Liberal Arts" education is resenting the part where you live on dry noodles. | [04:45] |
asciilifeform | plenty of engineers living on noodles. | [04:46] |
asciilifeform | no longer monopoly of starving artists. | [04:46] |
decimation | that kanzure dude is nuts | [04:46] |
BingoBoingo | You also learn the color of the dandelion greens at their best if you are smart. | [04:46] |
decimation | all the numbers I've see from the bay area companies show that senior engineers are making maybe $150k | [04:47] |
decimation | when a 'house' costs 700-1000k, that's wave slavery | [04:47] |
asciilifeform | decimation: kanzure is a friend of a good chum of mine. as i understand, he made 'fuck you money' in one of the last 'dotcom' bubbles and wanders around the world. | [04:47] |
decimation | that's cool, but that's nothing to do with engineering salaries | [04:48] |
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decimation | Of course, there is a "power law" effect in these kinds of things - only the best guys make bank, the rest deminish exponentially | [04:48] |
asciilifeform | i don't know him well. if you want to dispute his info, wake him up (he does - did? lurk here) | [04:48] |
asciilifeform | ;;google tournament market | [04:49] |
gribble | The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers: |
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decimation | http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Salaries-E9079.htm | [04:49] |
assbot | Google Salaries and Benefits | Glassdoor | [04:49] |
asciilifeform | 1st link | [04:49] |
asciilifeform | see also greenspun. | [04:49] |
asciilifeform | what a google grunt is paid is entirely uninteresting except in light of knowing what he pays to live | [04:50] |
decimation | yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens | [04:50] |
BingoBoingo | If I get this bezzel job I don't plan to pay more than $300.month to rent | [04:50] |
asciilifeform | http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021 << recommended reading | [04:51] |
assbot | The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. ' | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | i often say to people, that they should calculate their salary per minute of doing-something-they'd-rather-not | [04:52] |
asciilifeform | e.g. if you have to drive a car to the plant, start the 'clock' from when you turn the ignition key | [04:53] |
asciilifeform | and stop it when you come home and take off your shoes | [04:53] |
asciilifeform | likewise, subtract any money you are forced to spend (e.g. google man must pay $50k/yr, say, to live within 2 hrs. drive of the plant) from your salary. | [04:53] |
asciilifeform | then see who is rich, who is a pauper | [04:54] |
decimation | people don't want to do those calculations - they know the truth and they don't want to face it | [04:54] |
asciilifeform | there's a reason, for example, why e.g. a spammer will 'work 16 hours a day to make money while he sleeps' | [04:54] |
asciilifeform | no car, no boss, no $1000 suits, no clock, etc | [04:55] |
asciilifeform | mr. spam can live in a roach-infested hovel and actually keep 90% of his bread crumbs | [04:55] |
asciilifeform | mr. google - not so much | [04:56] |
BingoBoingo | In the location I'm looking at $3.2 k/year rents a ten minute walk from work, no roomates, because they are horrible for opsec | [04:56] |
decimation | what I would like an "economist" to explain to me is why we subject science and engineering to such high competition but professions like collecting welfare, teaching k-12, gov't employee, etc are subject to no pressure whatsoever | [04:57] |
decimation | why do those people deserve to be sheltered from the harshness of reality? | [04:57] |
asciilifeform | decimation: the pressure is moved to the queue in front of the pig trough | [04:57] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: bureaucrats are paid quite little if you perform my calculation | [04:58] |
asciilifeform | at least where i live | [04:58] |
decimation | yeah that's definitely true, even the top of the pile | [04:59] |
asciilifeform | welfare folks 'pay' by having to live in specially designated concentration camps | [04:59] |
decimation | hell Obama only makes $400k | [04:59] |
decimation | teachers "pay" by being unable to actually practice their craft (see my above link) | [04:59] |
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Mats_cd03 | wtf 3200/yr | [05:00] |
asciilifeform | alaska? | [05:00] |
Mats_cd03 | are you living in a fucking trap house | [05:00] |
decimation | alaska is actually pretty expensive | [05:00] |
decimation | n. dakota is cheap | [05:00] |
asciilifeform | afaik folks get housed on company dime at drilling platform | [05:01] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Dying college town. Competing against a shortage of broke grad students | [05:01] |
BingoBoingo | Mats_cd03: These places exist in the middle of the US | [05:01] |
Mats_cd03 | i see | [05:02] |
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decimation | re: redskins trademark cancellation : http://theden.tv/2014/06/18/u-s-patent-and-trade-office-cancels-disparaging-redskins-trademark/ | [05:04] |
assbot | U.S. Patent and Trade Office Cancels ‘Disparaging’ Redskins Trademark | Theden | Thedening the West | [05:05] |
decimation | Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that ?may disparage? individuals or groups or ?bring them into contempt or disrepute.? | [05:05] |
mircea_popescu | but the thing is... this wasn't being registered. | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | it was registered *already* | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | decimation: this is a more interesting event than appears at first. they just zapped 'stare decisis' | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | what law allows the office to randomly re-register trademarks ? | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform exactly. | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | e.g. the authority of the past N years, when the trademark was legal - where is it now. | [05:06] |
decimation | I thought it was illeagal for a bill of attainder | [05:06] |
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mircea_popescu | basically the us has no further guaranteed rights. | [05:07] |
decimation | what's the difference between making a law condeming joe to death, vs a law that condemns the redskins trademark to death? | [05:07] |
decimation | for arbitray reasons? | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | not to property (the so called process "in rem", eminent domain, a whole list) | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | decimation: no law involved - in the usual sense | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | not to fair process | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | not to anything | [05:07] |
BingoBoingo | It is amazing people can talk in this state www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+26.5&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=74600000&SeqEnd=75300000 | [05:07] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [05:07] |
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mircea_popescu | decimation this wasn't a law, to begin with | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | the entire "attainder" thing is the result of internet fucktards opining on matters. i wouldn't repeat it. | [05:08] |
decimation | yeah it's a civil case, as opposed to criminal | [05:08] |
mircea_popescu | patents are an administrative matter. | [05:09] |
decimation | oh yeah this isn't even a real court, just a commitee of government employees | [05:09] |
decimation | well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | us citizens, as subjects of the usg. | [05:10] |
decimation | so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men' | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. << anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled everywhgere. | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | this is because nobody can stand them. | [05:10] |
decimation | in this case, derpy nobodies are ruling | [05:10] |
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decimation | irrespective of controlling laws | [05:11] |
BingoBoingo | I'm still realling that the Bitpay bought one of the most expensive and lowest return forms of advertising. | [05:11] |
mircea_popescu | decimation the problem with trying to promote a system of "laws not men" is that ONLY men can rule. and so under the guise of "laws not men" that keeps actual men away | [05:11] |
mircea_popescu | the cockless dickheads rule. | [05:11] |
decimation | yeah, you could say that we are ruled by non-men, as opposed to men, because laws cannot rule anyone by themselves | [05:12] |
asciilifeform | anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled << whatever the reason - let's say benkay or i need to get a crate of strange through Ar door. no go, because passport is wrong color. or this is disinfo ? | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal: noooo way ?<< yes way. these are the fuckwits that want to be involved as adults | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | instead of doing what i fucking tell them to do. | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | like the children they are. | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform possibly no go, because you don;'t know how to ask. | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | much like, you want to pick up a chick. no go, because... passport the wrong color ? notrly. | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1bXIe06V--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/w33uouiq516gt1btjhjt.jpg << lol they dug upo that old gallippi pic did they | [05:15] |
BingoBoingo | Yeah they did | [05:16] |
mircea_popescu | did bitpay pr, ever clever and professional, have anything to say yet ? | [05:16] |
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asciilifeform | don't know how to ask << makes a difference if this is a fixable condition (know who to pay off, etc) or more difficult (have the correct uncle) | [05:17] |
mircea_popescu | for something like importing machinery, definitely the former. | [05:17] |
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BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: I've been looking around slowly. Not found anything yet. | [05:19] |
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mircea_popescu | today in the news, pretend you're a corp, pretend you've got 30mn investment, fail to have any pr whatsoever. | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | how people can be this stupid still amazes me. i mean sure, forum derps, okay, they're all by themselves. | [05:20] |
mircea_popescu | but by now... | [05:20] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: consider benkay's point. if i have to wrap sample pcbs in benjamins to get them through customs, this ought to be considered a cost of doing business in Ar | [05:20] |
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BingoBoingo | http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-ncaa-college-football-bowl-sponsorship-bitpay/ is closest I've found to Bitpay Pr so far. | [05:20] |
assbot | Attention Required! | CloudFlare | [05:20] |
asciilifeform | doesn't look quite so cheap then, no? | [05:20] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, coindesk nao hates assbot | [05:20] |
mircea_popescu | lol attention required. | [05:20] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what was looking cheap in the first place, or what were we saying ? | [05:21] |
BingoBoingo | I like how Bitpay couldn't even sponsor a game in a stadium actually suited to the sport. | [05:21] |
asciilifeform | Ar, india, etc. look cheap to the uninitiated. | [05:21] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo it is not the place of start-ups to sponsor anyway | [05:21] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform sure, it's cheap. depends what you want. | [05:22] |
asciilifeform | until you move in and try to get, e.g. smt resistors shipped in from malaysia | [05:22] |
asciilifeform | or pick'n'placers from russia | [05:22] |
mircea_popescu | but if you want that, why the fuck would you not be in malaysia or russia. | [05:22] |
asciilifeform | because not one of these actually contains everything you need for the production line | [05:22] |
decimation | china/taiwan do | [05:22] |
mircea_popescu | so what does argentina contain that you need for your production line ? | [05:23] |
mircea_popescu | i keep trying to get this out for awhile nao | [05:23] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Not at all. I guess Imma have to blog. | [05:23] |
asciilifeform | better question - what it doesn't contain. | [05:23] |
asciilifeform | e.g. der wagen | [05:23] |
mircea_popescu | and malaysia does ?! | [05:23] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: In any worthwhile endeavor the highest cost belongs to becoming initiated | [05:23] |
decimation | well, it certianly isn't down the street from hong kong | [05:23] |
BingoBoingo | %book | [05:24] |
atcbot | 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | think strategically. argentina is a dead end. hong kong is a center. is your business suited for which exactly ? | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | dead ends are eminently defensible. centers are centers of trade for that reason | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | what are you building ? | [05:24] |
asciilifeform | small electronic widgets. | [05:25] |
decimation | there is a point to that. If you could become legally "untouchable" for a few $100k in bribes to the right people, that's of significant value | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | so then because of your dependency on azn manufacturers you conceivably want your business run there | [05:25] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ? | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | notrly. | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | not on their turf, anyway. | [05:26] |
asciilifeform | if you've no 'guanxi', you're 'not in his WoT' | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | i can attest that when you can have their head, they're reasonable, fwtw. | [05:27] |
asciilifeform | ;;google guanxi | [05:27] |
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gribble | Guanxi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
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mircea_popescu | that i doubt very much. | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | i've yet to have a problem with getting in the wot. | [05:27] |
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mircea_popescu | then again, im the sort that learns the language and fucks local. | [05:27] |
decimation | mircea, I suspect the sayings of don colacho would be an excellent way to brush up on spanish: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/ | [05:29] |
assbot | Don Colacho’s Aphorisms | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | but... it's in engliush ?! | [05:30] |
asciilifeform | chinese 'WoT' (like in other asian nations) is very heavily tilted in direction of blood relation | [05:30] |
asciilifeform | or at least marriage | [05:30] |
decimation | the original text isn't. click on a link and see the original: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/02/2862.html | [05:30] |
assbot | Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,862 | [05:30] |
*hanbot* | first pix of your fliers up are in, emailt you the best one (second email, first i forgot to attach) | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform everytrhing has its exceptions. what do i care what the statistics are ? | [05:31] |
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asciilifeform | they'll do buisiness, yes. and at some point, your operation takes off, you find your factory nationalized. | [05:31] |
asciilifeform | or otherwise 'have problems' | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | whoredom is heavily tilted in the direction of blondes, yet any girl i train can top any brothel she wants. | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | or maybe they do. | [05:32] |
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decimation | http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/01/30.html When people stop fighting for the possession of private property, they will fight for the usufruct in collective property. | [05:32] |
assbot | Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #30 | [05:32] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i can't rightfully say china is 'immovable object.' if you care to try 'irresistible force' there, we'll watch, cheer. | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | everything's an immovable object for something or the other. | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | how did they end up run by the mongols ? | [05:33] |
BingoBoingo | "unstoppable force" actually beats immovable object in practice | [05:34] |
decimation | so even usg's hilarious inflation numbers are showing inflation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/17/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN0ES1C620140617 | [05:35] |
assbot | U.S. consumer prices show inflation ticking up| Reuters | [05:35] |
* | asciilifeform is forced to reluctantly love chinese - they're the only 'pepsi' we've got left. | [05:35] |
BingoBoingo | Actually unstoppable forces decay within several generations | [05:35] |
decimation | I wonder if this has to do with the sudden uptick in acquisitions by the bezzle masters | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | what, argentines are pepsi too. | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | (to add to the humour, in romanian "being pepsi" pretty much means being fucked up) | [05:36] |
asciilifeform | lol | [05:36] |
moiety | night all :] | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | laters | [05:37] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: if you ever have time, consider writing a piece about Ar circa '98-'02 | [05:37] |
mircea_popescu | im really not that advanced just yet | [05:37] |
asciilifeform | my (no means) expert understanding - they let themselves get arseraped by us banks | [05:37] |
decimation | ascii why don't the russians get into electronics/computer manufacturing? have they managed to chase away the talent? | [05:37] |
asciilifeform | decimation: start with the soviet mistake (circa mid-70s) of scrapping their own (interesting! e.g. trinary!) comp. research and deciding to copy western archs - e.g. pdp | [05:38] |
asciilifeform | in order to run warez | [05:38] |
asciilifeform | (western hardware was difficult to get - trade embargoed, had to go through shill companies) | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i don't quite see it. so far, they got 50 bn or so, not paying it back | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | seems they assraped the us banks to me. | [05:39] |
asciilifeform | http://ferfal.blogspot.com << disinfo ? | [05:39] |
assbot | SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA | [05:39] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: this is rather like supposing that russia (default of late 90s) raped us banks | [05:40] |
decimation | the elite did, kind of | [05:40] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform didn't it ? | [05:40] |
asciilifeform | for some value of 'it' | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | decimation the country is the elite. | [05:41] |
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mircea_popescu | mobile vulgus has no patria. | [05:41] |
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asciilifeform | the objective - entirely non-monetary - ensure that russian industry gets sawn apart for metals - was achieved. | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the russian industry, such as it was, was crap. it was going to get sold for scrap anyway. | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | now, its owners had the unmitigated idiocy of not keeping proper capital on hand. | [05:42] |
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decimation | yeah when you have a traubant factory that employs 50,000 people things are not going to work out well in the long run | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | so a bankruptcy was necessary | [05:42] |
BingoBoingo | In a firesale I wonder if Iowa has more value as agriculture or uranium | [05:42] |
asciilifeform | was crap << complicated. if you want sovereignty - gotta crank out the hardware, best as you can. | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | not true. | [05:43] |
mircea_popescu | im a sovereign that doesn't even suck its own cock, how about that! | [05:43] |
mircea_popescu | shouldn't even exist!!1 | [05:43] |
asciilifeform | lenin suggested that the west 'will sell you the rope to hang it with.' not sure if this can be meant literally - could russia buy working nukes from the targets? | [05:43] |
mircea_popescu | dude as if russian industry = nukes in any sense. | [05:44] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Not the whole things, but lands were the scarce lives | [05:44] |
decimation | I blame this guy http://jeffsachs.org/2012/03/what-i-did-in-russia/ | [05:44] |
assbot | What I did in Russia Jeffrey Sachs | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | every single piece of automotive machinery, from cars to trains, airplanes and anything else, that uses too much fuel to be economically usable is either russian make or russian design | [05:44] |
asciilifeform | a surprising fraction of soviet economy reduced to - obscenely inefficient method of producing sovereignty-enforcement hardware | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | fucking saratov fridges doing 4kw to slightly cool three galons | [05:44] |
asciilifeform | 4kw fridge. that the germans, swedes, whoever, can't blackmail you with by withholding | [05:45] |
asciilifeform | gotta understand the mentality. | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | i do understand it, but i am pointing out iot's not all that it's cracked up to be. | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | putin gets this, incidentally. | [05:45] |
asciilifeform | it's a siege mentality, necessarily extreme | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | a siege mentality is not necessarily extreme. | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | it's lazily extrem | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | e | [05:46] |
asciilifeform | sorta like the kind of fellow everyone must know, that got back from afghan and sleeps hugging his rifle, does nothing as hobby but clean and oil it, cycles the bolt at the slightest noise in the house | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | nothing wrong with owning a rifle, in good condition, and being ready and able to use it | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | nothing. | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | however, that's not gonna make an omlet | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | correct | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | good to occasionally hug things that aren't the rifle, also | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | and so the ak-47 shaped spatulas, 18lbs of solid pig iron | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | are getting thrown away | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | because spatula is silicone | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | from russian perspective - silicone that won't be there if the border closes | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | pentium is great. but 'bk-0010' would've still been there. | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | dude do you see what sort of abused child grown up mentality is this ? | [05:49] |
asciilifeform | sure | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | "i can't love you because what if you leave me" | [05:49] |
* | asciilifeform doesn't live there now, but definitely gets it. if you grow up in ussr, '45 never really ends | [05:49] |
asciilifeform | or, pessimistically, '41 | [05:49] |
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decimation | http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/07/25/dying-russias-birth-rate-is-now-higher-than-the-united-states/ | [05:50] |
assbot | 'Dying' Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' - Forbes | [05:50] |
asciilifeform | trauma makes people - and cultures - pathologically conservative | [05:50] |
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* | asciilifeform wonders how applies to china, ought to ask the folks in the know | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform which is why im such a fan of things like pussy riot | [05:50] |
asciilifeform | decimation: with our without dar al islam ? | [05:51] |
asciilifeform | *or | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | the best thing for moscow today is if the rich kids started taking the girls nude on leashes on novskiwhateveritscalled | [05:51] |
decimation | good point. "white america" definitely has a negative birth rate | [05:51] |
asciilifeform | decimation: because last i checked, the entire place converts to tajikistan in <100yrs. | [05:51] |
decimation | what about tartarstan | [05:51] |
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decimation | I guess they are pretty close to the Turkic Tajiks | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | you know these liniar projections never work. | [05:52] |
decimation | sons of Khan | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | people were derping about how romania will be 90% gypsy by 20something in 1990. | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | it... still hasn't happened. the oppressed minority is still an oppressed minority. | [05:53] |
decimation | mircea: re pussy riot: but ultimately they are tools of the western bezzle machine | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | not so. | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | they're too stupid to be the tools of anything. | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | at any rate, the notion that sensuality and the puritan caging thereof as displayed by the us (and uk before that) are in any way related... | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | purest historical accident. i can understand why us-ians would believe it, because they love to believe themselves relevant | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | but otherwise... lol. | [05:54] |
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decimation | I agree that the notions of puritanical modesty are hilarious. I was born in an old school Lutheran hospital (now closed) - my birth certificate's seal shows a doctor pulling a baby out of a vagina | [05:56] |
decimation | somehow this was okay in Christianity 100 years ago but not today | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | decimation not what i meant. what i means was, the proposition that somehow girls naked in the street are tools of the us bezzle. it's ludicrous. | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | for all you know they're the tools of mp's world domination plans. | [05:56] |
decimation | but they parrot and derp about equality, femenism, etc | [05:57] |
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mircea_popescu | sure. but nobody cares what they say, the only attraction is their nudity. | [05:58] |
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mircea_popescu | maybe some derps somewhere HOPE that they may embed their message this way, much like radio advertisers hope paying for the radio makes you buy coca cola | [05:59] |
mircea_popescu | but the thing still is what it is : nude chicks in a badly abused, utterly frigid, compulsively conservatory society. | [05:59] |
mircea_popescu | balm. | [05:59] |
decimation | so it would seem that putin is also sending a message about women by caging them | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | putin has the disadvantage of being actually stuck ruling the thing | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | he has to do all sorts of stupid shit. | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | or who knows, maybe he's personally dumb on the score i guess. | [06:02] |
decimation | well, he certainly want to encourage fertility, and sending the message that it's okay for russian women to aspire to childless eat pray love isn't the way to get there | [06:04] |
decimation | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjI0KYl9gWs | [06:06] |
assbot | Pussy Riot - Putin will teach you how to love / - YouTube | [06:06] |
decimation | skip to 2:05 to watch Cossacks beat them | [06:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06924233 = 0.7617 BTC [-] | [06:10] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: my understanding - fellow with a contract on his head should perhaps sleep with rifle. the one without contract - with girl. whether 4kw fridge, bk0010, etc. is batshit - or genius - depends on which box russia sits in | [06:11] |
mircea_popescu | so which kind am i ? | [06:11] |
asciilifeform | ask mircea_popescu | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | ok, what kind are you ? | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | what kind is antonoderpulous ? does he have a contract on his head ? twitter says so. | [06:12] |
asciilifeform | the kind who 'dies just once' | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | no but i mean, gimme something actionable as per the plan you laid out above. | [06:12] |
asciilifeform | lol | [06:12] |
BingoBoingo | Seems the solution is to have enough girls to sleep with girl while girl guards door with rifle | [06:13] |
B0g4r7 | B51Num1 benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz bigtip BingoBoingo blackwhite Blazedout419 blg0 bounce bwq- | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | can't hurt. | [06:13] |
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asciilifeform | going back to russia/industry: according to 'hardcore' russian folks, the west deprived the nation of crucial natural resource - one still abundant in, e.g. china. of course they aren't talking about lanthanides, but... girls who will birth half a dozen kids and work in factory without toilet breaks | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers, is nao off to molest wife | [06:14] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04639999 = 0.928 BTC [+] {8} | [06:14] |
* | asciilifeform lol just got back from molestation | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you'll have to explain this tro me so it makes sense | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform o, you're doing the same one ?! (know the joke ?) | [06:14] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: the two chaps with the toothbrush, aye | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [06:15] |
asciilifeform | ...? | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | pussy riot gets $1bn to study mating habits across europe. | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | for this purpose, they sequester one woman and two men for a week, then interview them, | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | the english : well... we were never introduced, so we just read the newspapers all week. it was fuckign boring. | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | the french : oh, Leo, Lea, Elie | [06:17] |
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mircea_popescu | (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjVKOPUIcc if you don't klnow it) | [06:17] |
asciilifeform | lol | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | the russians : omg this was awful. all night long they took turns fucking me in all the holes | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | and all day long they held syndicate meetings to criticise me for being a whore | [06:18] |
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mircea_popescu | wb. | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | that was... rapid ? | [06:19] |
decimation | "decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers" << not really my cup of tea, but relevant | [06:19] |
decimation | my stupid vpn dropped me like a hot potato, thought conversation was over | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | pretty cool how it worked out lol | [06:20] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-madness-of-president-putin.html << herr orlov on pussyriot etc | [06:20] |
assbot | ClubOrlov: The Madness of President Putin | [06:20] |
decimation | the thing I don't understand ascii is that it's clear that russia has the brainpower to make alternatives | [06:21] |
decimation | even without all-night slave labor sv startup style | [06:21] |
asciilifeform | decimation: go build a MOSFET with... brainpower | [06:21] |
asciilifeform | industrial civilization doesn't get birthed from coffee shop (as discussed in one of mp's essays?) | [06:22] |
asciilifeform | try mine uranium, tantalum, with brainpower | [06:23] |
asciilifeform | get 50 rail cars of synthesis-grade nitric acid with brain. | [06:23] |
decimation | This goes back to the warez - they seem like the answer to all your short term problems, but in the long run just get you hooked on the infrastructure | [06:24] |
decimation | all of those things do require lots of brain power | [06:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.22697248 = 2.0428 BTC [+] | [06:24] |
decimation | but they also require getting humans to actually do the work | [06:24] |
decimation | and... capital | [06:25] |
asciilifeform | and 100 yrs. of infrastructure. | [06:25] |
asciilifeform | japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource' | [06:25] |
decimation | it's true that it's much easier to get nitric acid when the nitric acid factory has been pumping it out two states away for a few decades | [06:26] |
asciilifeform | - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice | [06:26] |
decimation | the us had something like that a few decades ago, still coasting on its output | [06:26] |
asciilifeform | let's take the liberty of abusing thermodynamics term, and say this is 'fuel' | [06:26] |
asciilifeform | whereas u.s. (or moscow today) 'office plankton' is... ground state. | [06:27] |
asciilifeform | fuel that's been burned. | [06:27] |
asciilifeform | u.s. running on fumes. | [06:27] |
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asciilifeform | e.g. i can get pcbs made here. it just costs 35x what it does in shanghai. | [06:27] |
asciilifeform | because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc | [06:28] |
decimation | When I was in Hawaii last week I thought about this w.r.t. Hawaii. They own one of the most strategic islands on earth | [06:28] |
decimation | it could easily outsingapore singapore with its location. but it won't, because it is a combination of bezzle playground and indian reservation | [06:29] |
asciilifeform | decimation: it's only strategic value is as 'unsinkable ship' | [06:29] |
asciilifeform | otherwise it's a pisshole. (try finding an industrial vendor who will even ship there) | [06:30] |
asciilifeform | if you could build a singapore there, that's another matter. | [06:30] |
decimation | well, yes, today. but I would wager that if you exchanged the populations of hawaii and singapore, it wouldn't look that way for long | [06:30] |
asciilifeform | aye | [06:30] |
asciilifeform | not sure how long singapore will last as other than chinese colony after u.s. navy is unplugged | [06:31] |
asciilifeform | ditto taiwan | [06:32] |
decimation | on Maui there is a statue to Sun Yet-Sen in an obscure park: http://gohawaii.about.com/od/mauisights/ig/sun_yat_sen_park/ | [06:33] |
assbot | Sun Yat Sen Park, Upcountry Maui Photo Gallery | [06:33] |
decimation | when visiting, I discovered that Sun Yat Sen went to the same school as... Obama | [06:34] |
decimation | when the usians are trading golden yuan pieces in a few decades they will remember this bit of history | [06:34] |
asciilifeform | decimation: the middle kingdom != la serenissima. they'll be buying rice with paper yuans. | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BPAY < | [06:36] |
assbot | D.BPAY last @0.00000000 | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | that's basically how it's gonna look. welcoming questions as to the contract etc. | [06:36] |
asciilifeform | neato | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | prolly starting to trade monday | [06:36] |
asciilifeform | proving that one holds shares on fiat exchange might be energy-intensive | [06:37] |
decimation | this is true. the amusing thing to me is that Obama rose with the new left under Maoism... and China today embraces (in action, not words) Chinese nationalism and rejects Mao | [06:37] |
asciilifeform | (suddenly you're going over bezzlar paperwork with magnifying glass) | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform why'd that be required ? | [06:38] |
asciilifeform | nm bad reading | [06:38] |
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decimation | I'm confused about who the counterparty is | [06:40] |
decimation | I assume it's just you with your bitcoin bank right? | [06:40] |
asciilifeform | mp has bank now?! | [06:41] |
decimation | I'm using "bank" to mean "pile of bitcoin" | [06:41] |
mircea_popescu | decimation actually im going to make a fund, so people can buy into it. | [06:41] |
mircea_popescu | but otherwise, yes. | [06:41] |
decimation | this is kind of a more open-ended version of your berkshire bet? | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BTGO | [06:43] |
assbot | D.BTGO last @0.00000000 | [06:43] |
mircea_popescu | idem. if anyone wants to see more and they meet the criteria, let me know. | [06:43] |
mircea_popescu | decimation not really. berkshire is not a shitstup | [06:43] |
decimation | what happens if bitpay dissolves as an entity before a b or c happen? | [06:44] |
decimation | shares go to zero value? | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much | [06:44] |
decimation | I guess they are tickets to a show that never happened | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | something like that yea | [06:45] |
asciilifeform | 'dead pool' ? | [06:46] |
decimation | well, the seller of said tickets will be enriched ... :) | [06:47] |
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decimation | still, to me it seems like you need to get a few of these to "fail" so you can build up a war chest as a credible counterparty | [06:48] |
mircea_popescu | decimation why ? | [06:48] |
Mats_cd03 | how fucking ridiculous | [06:48] |
asciilifeform | war chest is there, to everyone's satisfaction, i imagine | [06:49] |
decimation | I like bitbet because it's extremely transparent that way | [06:49] |
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decimation | mats: what is rediculous? | [06:51] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [06:52] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 604.34, Best ask: 605.46, Bid-ask spread: 1.12000, Last trade: 606.24, 24 hour volume: 5471.59645098, 24 hour low: 599.9, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.679332574 | [06:52] |
decimation | it's been racheting up slowly from 500 | [06:52] |
decimation | !down decimation | [06:55] |
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Mats_cd03 | asks q then leaves while i type response | [06:57] |
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BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/479463088870412288 | [07:02] |
assbot | I was considering bidding on the seized SR bitcoin, but I think I'll just wait for the US Marshals to tweet the private keys to the winners. | [07:02] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [07:04] |
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mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-fderp/ | [07:18] |
assbot | Introducing F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [07:18] |
Duffer1 | o.0 | [07:22] |
mircea_popescu | quite. | [07:23] |
mircea_popescu | justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete << hey there. | [07:25] |
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mircea_popescu | kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING << ahahaha | [07:31] |
mircea_popescu | dude i think kako is like the funniest guy here. | [07:31] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-fderp/ | [07:35] |
mircea_popescu | gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. << this warms my cold dark heart. | [07:35] |
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punkman | mircea_popescu: how so | [07:42] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire << shit i wrote that ?! in another decade trilema'll be new reading to me too ;/ | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | punkman i like it when people build things upon things. | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google society for putting things on top of other things | [07:43] |
gribble | Monty Python Royal Society for Putting Things on top of other things ...: |
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BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: You wrote relatively recently | [07:52] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, with it here i remember it. | [07:52] |
mircea_popescu | “No one is wise enough or good enough to mould the character of any child… An adult generation that has seen two great wars and seems about to launch a third should not be trusted to mould the character of a rat.” | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | a.s. neil is perhaps the dumbest guy i read this year | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | what the fuck already. since when is war a disqualifier ? | [07:53] |
asciilifeform | 'war - the mother of all things' | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | anyone wanna go kill this guy ? | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | or is he dead already ? | [07:53] |
BingoBoingo | I'll assume he's already dead, at least on the inside | [07:54] |
mircea_popescu | a well. | [07:55] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps the next one. | [07:55] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: http://clubs.ya.ru/4611686018427388682/replies.xml?item_no=24517 << 'saratov' fridge. 93 Wt. cost: 76 rub. date of manuf.: 1969. | [08:05] |
assbot | - . | [08:05] |
asciilifeform | caption, among other things 'ran for 40 yrs.' | [08:05] |
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asciilifeform | plenty of comments, in the spirit, 'mine's built '65 and runs.' | [08:07] |
* | asciilifeform thinks plenty of folks are grossly misinformed re: soviet hardware. | [08:07] |
* | asciilifeform wonders in what western country you can buy a fridge that runs for 50 years. for $500? 5000, 50,000 ? | [08:08] |
mircea_popescu | i was forcing a point !!1 | [08:09] |
asciilifeform | crappy soviet hardware is very real | [08:09] |
mircea_popescu | that point being, that the russian (actually, german, pre ww2) model works just fine with no ecological consideration | [08:09] |
asciilifeform | and largely came from lack of necessaries | [08:09] |
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mircea_popescu | or in otherwords, if you're willing to kill as many subhumans as it takes | [08:10] |
asciilifeform | e.g. my father was once employed to reverse-engineer movie projectors | [08:10] |
asciilifeform | couldn't get german steel for the part where the film stretches taught | [08:10] |
asciilifeform | result - tolerances fail, film - snaps | [08:10] |
asciilifeform | redesign. result -> cruddy kludge | [08:10] |
mircea_popescu | myeah | [08:11] |
asciilifeform | energy cost is a design parameter at the time of design - not now. | [08:12] |
asciilifeform | my neighbour - rebuilds '40s-'50s amer cars. | [08:12] |
mircea_popescu | o look at that, bids | [08:12] |
mircea_popescu | $depth D.BPAY | [08:12] |
empyex | mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=92 Or use a valid MPSIC! | [08:12] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets bash | [08:12] |
mircea_popescu | tsk tsk | [08:13] |
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FabianB | $depth D.BPAY | [08:16] |
empyex | FabianB: [D.BPAY] Bids: 100 @ 0.25000000 | [08:16] |
empyex | FabianB: [D.BPAY] Asks: | [08:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.052 = 0.884 BTC [+] | [08:22] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDvikAG7cD8#t=15 << 4-cycle petrol engine built from that fridge's compressor. | [08:22] |
assbot | 4 - YouTube | [08:22] |
mircea_popescu | ahaha | [08:26] |
mircea_popescu | FabianB :) danke | [08:26] |
FabianB | np :) | [08:26] |
BingoBoingo | %book | [08:34] |
atcbot | 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 | [08:34] |
mircea_popescu | lol is the 201 guy someone who bought at 200 and they figure THEY MUST PROFT | [08:34] |
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BingoBoingo | I have no idea | [08:40] |
BingoBoingo | Maybe it is someone who wants to see the market go down to grab cheap ATC? | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | mebbe | [08:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00082258 = 8.6782 BTC [-] | [08:49] |
fluffypony | dump, rebut in lower | [08:52] |
fluffypony | *rebuy | [08:52] |
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jurov | nice | [09:23] |
jurov | mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there? | [09:23] |
jurov | but they'll prolly have negative price :( | [09:23] |
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jurov | anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins | [09:33] |
jurov | they'll prolly need free coinbr account provided i'll sell their souls.. does anyone want them? | [09:36] |
jurov | lol what pm i got |
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jurov | !up Vexual | [09:37] |
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Vexual | yeah about the soul.. | [09:37] |
Vexual | i'm ot sure i've got full title | [09:38] |
jurov | markov chains did n't use to have souls | [09:38] |
jurov | that doesn't preclude them to be sold anyway | [09:40] |
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Vexual | yeah i'll have to read up on that | [09:42] |
Vexual | with the 10 percent... | [09:44] |
Vexual | perhaps someone will like to buy these | [09:44] |
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Vexual | id like to be the photographer when rich b sits down with mirc p | [09:48] |
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Vexual | i call it red wine and dentures | [09:50] |
Vexual | cat hasn't even done a vice cover yet | [09:54] |
Vexual | alternate cover:interviewer | [09:57] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06947992 = 0.6948 BTC [-] {2} | [10:38] |
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danielpbarron | I'm gonna be at porcfest next week; what can I do for the -assets community beyond generally promoting it in conversation? | [17:08] |
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mircea_popescu | danielpbarron want a tshirt ? | [17:10] |
danielpbarron | I ordered one from nubbins` already; is there another shirt? | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | aok | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | nah i was gonna buy you one :) | [17:10] |
danielpbarron | I don't expect that to arrive before I leave | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | well so next time | [17:11] |
chetty | try to pay for stuff in bitcoin | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | or justkeep your bitcoin. either way :D | [17:11] |
danielpbarron | i don't think i'll go to any future porcfests; i kinda regret buying the ticket for this one but i might as well use it at this point | [17:11] |
danielpbarron | yeah i plan in selling stuff for BTC; not interested in shorting it | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | i never been, how they go ? | [17:12] |
mike_c | http://porcfest.com/ hmm, i don't think this is what you're talking about. | [17:12] |
assbot | PorcFest | The 11th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival | [17:12] |
danielpbarron | yeah that's it | [17:12] |
mike_c | oh :) is the porcupine community into bitcoin? | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | now im getting airbnb spam | [17:13] |
danielpbarron | i've never been either; it's gonna be teeming with what MP refers to as "libertards" | [17:13] |
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mircea_popescu | what the fuck srsly, the vc circuit is reducing to a spam&scamfest | [17:13] |
danielpbarron | mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | [17:14] | |
danielpbarron | mircea_popescu, the "free state project" participants, yes | [17:15] |
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mircea_popescu | ah yea | [17:15] |
chetty | well thats a different breed of libtards, not lefties | [17:15] |
danielpbarron | i recall some story of ver going to visit ian from free talk live and convincing them to accept BTC for selling ad space | [17:15] |
danielpbarron | libertards != libtards | [17:16] |
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mike_c | ok, ok. this has nothing to do with the animal. | [17:16] |
danielpbarron | i think aantonop is going to be there, among other "well known" idiots in the "bitcoin community" | [17:17] |
kakobrekla | coinapult is a gold sponsor of the fest | [17:18] |
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kakobrekla | wear a helmet, i guess. | [17:18] |
HeySteve | hello | [17:18] |
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HeySteve | wondering if anyone news sites have covered F.DERP yet... | [17:19] |
HeySteve | uh any* | [17:19] |
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kakobrekla | i doubt | [17:22] |
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mircea_popescu | HeySteve go ahead. | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, off to a meeting, will bbl. | [17:22] |
HeySteve | cool | [17:22] |
HeySteve | mircea_popescu, I'd like to speak to you about it when you're back | [17:22] |
fluffypony | !up peterl | [17:23] |
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fluffypony | !up peterl | [17:23] |
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peterl | trying to wrap my head around what F.DERP is | [17:24] |
peterl | does it profit from the derp companies doing good or bad? | [17:24] |
HeySteve | a bet against "amazing companies" I guess | [17:24] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [17:24] |
HeySteve | wish I'd gotten short on that wannabe pornstar guy who gambled all his investor's funds away | [17:25] |
kakobrekla | the thing is you cant go short cause idiots are idiots. | [17:25] |
HeySteve | kakobrekla, I believe idiocy will eventually end in failure. sure there might be an initial boom while other idiots pile in but... | [17:26] |
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punkman | HeySteve: infinite hitpoints | [17:27] |
kakobrekla | well not infinite but over 7 billion | [17:28] |
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kakobrekla | which i guess is as good as infinite | [17:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0695 = 0.695 BTC [+] | [17:29] |
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punkman | kakobrekla, the idiot pool could theoretically stop replenishing itself | [17:31] |
HeySteve | I assume BitPay and BitGo (which I haven't heard of) are the relevant companies | [17:31] |
punkman | I wouldn't bet on it | [17:31] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+] | [17:38] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.06740031 = 2.8982 BTC [-] {5} | [17:45] |
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lobbes | the more I read the logs, the more humble I become. Then I read the blogs... | [17:55] |
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kakobrekla | !b 1 | [17:57] |
assbot | Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/13VVSFH.txt ) | [17:57] |
kakobrekla | did ya read the bash? | [17:58] |
ThickAsThieves | <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds. /// Sure, can someone provide the landing content/file? ;;later tell me or such, I'm very behind on logs and distracted by day trading lately | [18:02] |
mike_c | sure, it's not a web page though, it's a DNS thing | [18:03] |
mike_c | you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know. | [18:04] |
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bitcoinpete | More lulzy feedback from the litecoin article: | [18:06] |
bitcoinpete | "your article on litecoin is one of the worst, most unresearched journalism attempts ive ever seen. Hang your head in shame" | [18:06] |
bitcoinpete | "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives." | [18:07] |
bitcoinpete | "Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up" | [18:07] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/19/the-free-health-club-membership-an-experiment-in-roi/ | [18:07] |
bitcoinpete | dammit, thought i changed that url... | [18:08] |
fluffypony | ThickAsThieves | [18:08] |
asciilifeform | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mpex.co | [18:08] |
fluffypony | I already linked to the github repo for it | [18:08] |
assbot | Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? | [18:08] |
bitcoinpete | asciilifeform: huh | [18:08] |
bitcoinpete | i'm seeing the same | [18:09] |
bitcoinpete | https://twitter.com/KryptoKoolio/status/479635487213486080 | [18:09] |
assbot | /bitcoinpete Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up | [18:09] |
Blazedout419 | ;;isitdown mpex.co | [18:09] |
bitcoinpete | i really gotta get clued up | [18:09] |
gribble | mpex.co is down | [18:09] |
Blazedout419 | ^^ grib can checks | [18:09] |
kakobrekla | its down | [18:09] |
asciilifeform | neato | [18:09] |
bitcoinpete | quite neat | [18:09] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: another smoking disk ? | [18:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06504115 = 6.5041 BTC [-] {14} | [18:10] |
kakobrekla | he is off on a meeting or smth | [18:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-] | [18:11] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/19/the-free-health-club-membership-an-experiment-in-monthly-vs-annual-payments/ | [18:14] |
bitcoinpete | so penguirker re-posts when the url is changed eh | [18:14] |
mike_c | ;;isitdown mpex.coinbr.com | [18:15] |
gribble | mpex.coinbr.com is up | [18:15] |
fluffypony | modern teknologies | [18:16] |
bitcoinpete | http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-forms-committee-create-bitcoin-unicode-symbol/ << committees! | [18:18] |
assbot | Bitcoin Foundation Mulling Standard BTC Denominations, Bitcoin Unicode | [18:18] |
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fluffypony | bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do? | [18:21] |
fluffypony | bitcoinbong is still my favourite | [18:21] |
bitcoinpete | lol | [18:21] |
bitcoinpete | "that coffee will be 19 bitcoinbongs, please" | [18:22] |
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bitcoinpete | "The company known for computer chips on Thursday plans to announce the availability of an app that lets people leave offbeat animated messages using smartphones. It exploits the device’s camera and microphone to capture a user’s facial movements and voice, which are used to control cartoon-like figures known as avatars in recorded sequences." | [18:31] |
bitcoinpete | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/intel-serves-up-mobile-message-avatars/ | [18:31] |
assbot | Intel Serves up Mobile-Message Avatars - Digits - WSJ | [18:31] |
bitcoinpete | but i bet intel's rng is still good | [18:32] |
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bitcoinpete | on the amd side… http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/amd-vows-25-fold-increase-in-chip-energy-efficiency/ | [18:33] |
assbot | AMD Vows 25-Fold Increase in Chip Energy-Efficiency - Digits - WSJ | [18:33] |
bitcoinpete | which should be useful for mining and such | [18:33] |
moiety | herro eberybady | [18:34] |
bitcoinpete | moiety: heya | [18:35] |
HeySteve | this could be important... http://wikileaks.org/tisa-financial/ | [18:37] |
assbot | Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex | [18:37] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2259989 = 1.13 BTC [-] {2} | [18:53] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.72668865 BTC to 9`245 shares, 18677 satoshi per share | [19:00] |
moiety | !up kermit | [19:00] |
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moiety | !up alex_c | [19:00] |
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moiety | omg im so nervous thinking about BB, can't wait to hear how it all went today. i know he'll be fine but still | [19:01] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00082384 = 13.2638 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
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[]bot | Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.82877738 BTC. Current weight: 39,102. | [19:14] |
FabianB | $traded | [19:16] |
empyex | FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE | [19:16] |
pankkake | !mpif | [19:17] |
assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021674 BTC (Total: 433.49 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+] | [19:17] |
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moiety | they've made 11 videos from OSCON 2013 available for free http://www.oscon.com/oscon2014/public/content/mainstage-video?imm_mid=0be4b3&cmp=em-prog-confreg-info-os14_free_video_mainstage | [19:25] |
assbot | Mainstage Video: OSCON 2014 - O'Reilly Conferences, July 20 - 24, 2014, Portland, OR | [19:25] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24991 @ 0.0008251 = 20.6201 BTC [+] | [19:36] |
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bitstein | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression + http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419 = much fun for bitcoin | [19:42] |
assbot | Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge | [19:42] |
assbot | Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin within the Reach of the IMF by Nicholas Plassaras :: SSRN | [19:42] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [-] {2} | [19:52] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06659999 = 0.999 BTC [-] {2} | [19:55] |
HeySteve | yeah bitstein, seems russia are a move ahead again | [19:56] |
HeySteve | mircea_popescu I am away now but will be back in about 8 hours or so | [19:56] |
HeySteve | cheers all | [19:57] |
kakobrekla | good luck | [19:57] |
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BingoBoingo | moiety: went well | [20:00] |
moiety | :D brilliant BingoBoingo! When will they get in touch? | [20:02] |
BingoBoingo | Late next week after the other interviews. | [20:02] |
BingoBoingo | I think I've got this one. | [20:03] |
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BingoBoingo | Only two other people get interviewed | [20:04] |
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pankkake | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/yo-app-1-million-dollars_n_5507634.html | [20:08] |
assbot | An App That Does Nothing Except Say 'Yo' Raises One. Million. Dollars. | [20:08] |
moiety | sorry for delay, just spilled coffee everywhere, which is really useful. only two others is even better BingoBoingo. do you think they will call? they're usually pretty good for that here | [20:10] |
moiety | some people just make you wait on a letter which is just crap | [20:11] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: They said they will. I think some things attractive about the job to me (odd hours, duties from four other people's jobs) are going to come out as turnoff in the other interviews. | [20:11] |
moiety | exciting times! i think i've been more nervous than you today! | [20:12] |
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BingoBoingo | I also encountered one of asciilifeform's defective birds earlier in the day. | [20:14] |
pankkake | ;;later tell bitcoinpete your latest post reminds me of the http://trollscience.com/ "infinite money" | [20:15] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:15] |
assbot | Science You Wish Were True :: Troll Science | [20:15] |
BingoBoingo | Attacked my windshield, and then was made to comply with a standard | [20:15] |
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BingoBoingo | 'Murica http://www.salon.com/2014/06/19/honey_boo_boo_is_a_monster_what_reality_tv_did_to_the_pint_size_pageant_queen/ | [20:25] |
assbot | Honey Boo Boo is a monster: What reality TV did to the pint-size pageant queen - Salon.com | [20:25] |
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pankkake | …where the author realizes tv is fake. duh | [20:33] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: birds ? | [20:34] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Defective bird attacked my windshield. Unlike the bird that attacked your window... THis one could only make one attempt before being corrected by physics. | [20:37] |
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pankkake | !up aabtc | [20:40] |
asciilifeform | helps when window moves. | [20:40] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Indeed, self defending window. Only mess was some feathers and dust. | [20:41] |
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kakobrekla | !up bigtip | [20:42] |
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asciilifeform | pankkake, BingoBoingo: https://vimeo.com/68401939 | [20:43] |
assbot | Simpsons - Thermodynamic 2nd Law on Vimeo | [20:43] |
pankkake | lol /r/litecoin is bagholding so damn hard | [20:45] |
BingoBoingo | %book | [20:46] |
atcbot | 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 | [20:46] |
BingoBoingo | %ticker | [20:48] |
atcbot | [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 58k High: 201 Low: 200 VWAP: 200 | [20:48] |
pankkake | http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/28k4v8/why_does_everybody_lie_and_say_that_litecoin_is/ lol so butthurt | [20:49] |
assbot | Why does everybody lie and say that Litecoin is faster than Bitcoin? : litecoin | [20:49] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Like with winnie the pooh do the Russians have a less jaundiced Simpsons? | [20:52] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: not afaik | [20:53] |
BingoBoingo | Shame | [20:53] |
pankkake | they have winnie the poo? | [20:53] |
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asciilifeform | pankkake: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5swOZ1EYk | [20:53] |
assbot | . . HD ! - YouTube | [20:53] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/update/ | [20:56] |
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moiety | did my post break freenode?! | [21:35] |
fluffypony | clearly | [21:35] |
fluffypony | lol | [21:35] |
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moiety | probably because it included manuls this time | [21:37] |
fluffypony | I would think so | [21:38] |
pankkake | http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-forms-committee-create-bitcoin-unicode-symbol/ for once, something useful | [21:43] |
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pankkake | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/06/19/1622256/intel-to-offer-custom-xeons-with-embedded-fpgas-for-the-data-center | [21:47] |
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moiety | pankkake: foundation will be able to answer something when asked what they actually do now i guess | [21:59] |
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moiety | !up frank1e | [22:04] |
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ThickAsThieves | <+asciilifeform> 'Avarus, Inc. (we, us, our) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a blank check shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol! /// The Havelock System | [22:14] |
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moiety | so do bits go missing from logs if assbot isn't here? | [22:17] |
mike_c | yup | [22:17] |
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moiety | ah, thanks | [22:18] |
FabianB | $traded | [22:22] |
empyex | FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.BBET S.MPOE | [22:22] |
FabianB | aha, S.BBET during netsplit | [22:23] |
benkay | gorgeous power politics: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fracking/10911942/Russia-in-secret-plot-against-fracking-Nato-chief-says.html | [22:24] |
assbot | Russia in secret plot against fracking, Nato chief says - Telegraph | [22:24] |
benkay | http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/servers/onmetal/ | [22:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00082513 = 15.0174 BTC [+] {2} | [22:26] |
benkay | http://thecodelesscode.com/case/26 | [22:34] |
assbot | The Codeless Code: Case 26 The Uncorrected Monk | [22:34] |
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asciilifeform | 'Perhaps the Russians are worried about our huge wind and solar potential, and have infiltrated the UK Government.' << lol. wreckers. | [22:47] |
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benkay | wreckers? | [22:59] |
asciilifeform | benkay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_people | [23:00] |
assbot | Enemy of the people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | [23:00] |
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benkay | myeah | [23:01] |
benkay | thx | [23:01] |
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pankkake | http://www.coindesk.com/bolivias-central-bank-bans-bitcoin-digital-currencies/ | [23:12] |
assbot | Bolivia's Central Bank Bans Bitcoin and All Digital Currencies | [23:12] |
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benkay | pankkake: it begins :) | [23:17] |
benkay | argentina had a chance to do the same before the Migration | [23:18] |
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chetty | benkay, but argentina has this habit of doing different than everyone else | [23:19] |
benkay | i wouldn't really know | [23:20] |
benkay | haven't been around long enough or read enough | [23:20] |
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thestringpuller | !mpif | [23:24] |
assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021682 BTC (Total: 433.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+] | [23:24] |
thestringpuller | !jd mpif | [23:25] |
assbot | Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.39784744 BTC; +0.37267627 BTC (+0.2179%) since last check 1d 9h 3m 49s ago. | [23:25] |
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FabianB | $depth f.mpif | [23:29] |
empyex | FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021682 100 @ 0.00021674 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021664 | [23:29] |
empyex | FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 444 @ 0.00021726 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 | [23:29] |
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chetty | http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/wikileaks-publish-secret-trade-services-agreement-tisa-financial-services-annex/ | [23:59] |
assbot | Wikileaks Publish Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex | [23:59] |
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