Forum logs for 20 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu yo [00:00]
benkay o hai [00:00]
mircea_popescu how goes! [00:02]
benkay NEED MOAR DEALS [00:02]
mircea_popescu "Hello, is under ddos. To stop the attack, send 0.25 BTC to 1DNExFs45Tmfyxp3aG9k9HQ1q6euWB7Sus [00:03]
mircea_popescu It's one time payment, after which you will not hear from me again (and you are free to publish my name and email on your blog)" [00:03]
benkay monster is hungry and must be appeased [00:03]
mircea_popescu did this actually happen ? [00:03]
mircea_popescu i was out [00:03]
mircea_popescu o wait, i guess i didn't miss anything. "If you don't pay me now, tomorrow price will increase to 0.5 BTC." [00:03]
asciilifeform what kind of turdmeister asks for 1/4 btc ?! [00:04]
chetty uh isnt a ddos supposed ot make page load slow? fail [00:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00082155 = 13.4323 BTC [-] {4} [00:04]
FabianB lol [00:04]
mircea_popescu ask me not. [00:04]
asciilifeform well it was dead earlier today [00:04]
mike_c chetty: he paid him ;) [00:04]
chetty right [00:04]
mircea_popescu i did ?! [00:05]
asciilifeform guess the hand-cranked spamatron operator grew tired [00:05]
mircea_popescu hand cranked spamatron lol [00:05]
mircea_popescu i can't stop imagining various hand-cranked things [00:06]
mircea_popescu battleship. [00:06]
mircea_popescu offset press [00:06]
mircea_popescu john deere corn processor [00:06]
asciilifeform fridge. [00:07]
mircea_popescu ithink fridge, phone and washing machine actulaly existed [00:07]
mircea_popescu and dildo/vibrator, prolly. [00:07]
asciilifeform laugh now [00:07]
asciilifeform cry later: [00:07]
asciilifeform [00:08]
assbot The KillCap Refrigerator | musings on entropy [00:08]
asciilifeform '...the machine I would most like to develop is a pedal powered refrigerator and possibly freezer.' [00:08]
benkay why fridges spill all the cold air out every time one opens them, i'll never understand. [00:08]
mircea_popescu so did england justget eliminated ? [00:08]
asciilifeform ('absorption' type fridge fueled with the bugger's own fat would be considerably more efficient. but for some reason he did not suggest this variant.) [00:09]
asciilifeform benkay: i once worked with laboratory (-80C) units that didn't. a pump moved the cold air to reservoir when you turned the handle. room air pumped in, door opens. reverse when close hadle. [00:10]
asciilifeform *handle [00:10]
benkay is this...sane? [00:11]
asciilifeform afaik this was to keep co2 crystals from covering everything [00:11]
asciilifeform (they still seemed to do so) [00:11]
mircea_popescu i think if they did it the other way you couldn't pass [00:12]
asciilifeform (that, and ice) [00:12]
mircea_popescu so i go to this place where i normally have an orange juice "exprimido" which means freshly pressed with a two liter bottle, asked them to fill it [00:12]
mircea_popescu girly is like... well you ok to wait a little ? we gotta send someone to buy oranges. [00:12]
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mircea_popescu im more than happy to wait for real fresh juice [00:13]
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kakobrekla it ends here? [00:15]
kakobrekla where is the "fuck off im outta here?" [00:15]
nubbins` [00:15]
assbot American Apparel sacks Dov Charney as chairman and suspends him as CEO | Business | The Guardian [00:15]
nubbins` ^ i lel'd [00:15]
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nubbins` the fucked part is at the end where it says blank tees retail in their shops for 30GBP [00:17]
nubbins` :0 [00:17]
nubbins` i mean, i know london is far from L.A. [00:17]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i just read teh newspaper [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20808 @ 0.00081773 = 17.0153 BTC [-] {2} [00:17]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what'd he do anyway ? [00:17]
nubbins` just general sleaze, other execs got tired of it [00:18]
nubbins` oh and the whole losing $100m last year i guess didn't help [00:18]
punkman morning [00:27]
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mircea_popescu ah [00:30]
mircea_popescu !up publio [00:30]
-assbot- You voiced publio for 30 minutes. [00:30]
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nubbins` evening, punkman [00:31]
publio thanks mp [00:31]
mircea_popescu sure. [00:36]
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publio since btc is being touted as a replacement for fiat, has anybody been following the btcusd:xauusd ratio? [00:41]
mircea_popescu not much [00:41]
benkay ;;ticker --currency xau [00:42]
gribble Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.480816, Best ask: 0.480832, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 0.480832, 24 hour volume: 3043.21557294, 24 hour low: 0.480832, 24 hour high: 0.487984, 24 hour vwap: 0.0 [00:42]
benkay publio: ^^ [00:42]
mircea_popescu fwiw. [00:42]
publio gold shot up $40 today, yet btc is flat [00:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06899998 = 2.76 BTC [+] [00:43]
mircea_popescu the relation is very slight. [00:43]
nubbins` ;;bc,xau [00:43]
gribble 1 XAU = 1319.300000000000 USD = 2.19700249792 BTC [00:44]
nubbins` [00:44]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [00:44]
nubbins` "what's a zero in roman noomerels?" [00:44]
benkay oh god [00:45]
punkman lol [00:45]
[]bot Bet placed: 1.6 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.16199681 BTC. Current weight: 9,848. [00:45]
nubbins` "just draw it with corners" [00:45]
benkay roman numerals 2.3 [00:45]
mircea_popescu ahaha [00:46]
mircea_popescu MMXV, II0IV, same shit [00:47]
nubbins` nod [00:47]
mircea_popescu and then i rant about how us people don't speak latin. what speak latin lol. [00:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06810728 = 0.7492 BTC [-] {2} [00:48]
mircea_popescu jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there? << what'd be d.bbs ? [00:48]
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nubbins` blackberry sextenger [00:49]
mircea_popescu jurov: anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins <<< are you saying the claim that someone "invested" 30mn usd in bitpay are false ? [00:49]
penguirker New blog post: [00:49]
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mircea_popescu mike_c:whereas bitpay investors will get rich. << how'd you go about it ? [00:52]
mike_c well, acquisition is liquidity event for bitpay investors, but if appropriately priced would not affect acquirer's short-term market cap. [00:53]
mircea_popescu but also if appropriately priced it'd be priced at 0. [00:53]
nubbins` heh [00:54]
mike_c to rephrase: buying a $1b asset does not change market cap. [00:54]
mircea_popescu anyway, reason the contracts aren't signed yet is because i wanna see what the general community thinks [00:54]
mircea_popescu buying a 1bn asset for 1bn does not change book value [00:55]
mike_c right. [00:55]
mike_c it just feels like a situation where bitpay fiat investors would clean up but d.bpay investors could lose big. [00:56]
mircea_popescu alternatively, bitpay gets sold for $50k to facebook, which moves up 25% that month [00:57]
mircea_popescu bitpay fiat investors get wiped, d.bpay make bank [00:57]
mircea_popescu there's really very little way to price fraudulent sales. [00:57]
mircea_popescu facebook can announce a 20bn buy of something worth 0 any time it pleases. [00:57]
mircea_popescu odds are it will do so. [00:57]
mircea_popescu if actual bitcoin is at stake, it doing so becomes a certainty. [00:58]
mike_c yeah.. but if the returns are not well connected to the returns fiat investors see (btc forex risk ignored) it may not have the effect you are looking for. [00:58]
mircea_popescu well, fortuntely economy is additive. [00:59]
mircea_popescu anyway, do you see a constructive solution ? [00:59]
mike_c i'm not sure i see one you will like. [01:00]
mircea_popescu let me be the judge of that lol [01:00]
mike_c well, facebook doesn't just announce a 20bn purchase. they are public, they have to record what they pay. [01:00]
mike_c so you could use that purchase price. this does get complicated with (cash + stock + incentives) though. [01:01]
mircea_popescu to some degree [01:01]
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mircea_popescu but no, in general the "purchase price" is more of a pr device than an accounting device these days [01:01]
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mike_c there are both, the PR and the accounting. the PR being cash + stock + incentives. but cash + stock is accounting [01:02]
mike_c of course, the stock is generally restricted.. [01:03]
mike_c it's complicated. i'll ponder some more. [01:03]
mike_c in case you didn't realize, it's complicated! :D [01:04]
mircea_popescu :) [01:04]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: [01:05]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do? <<< course this is long ago resolved, [01:05]
assbot MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:05]
mircea_popescu not entirely sure why the foundation derps think anyone asked them anything on the score, but then again... it's kinda what they do, isn't it. [01:05]
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bitcoinpete ;;later tell pankkake lol yup, this is pretty much it [01:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:34]
assbot Infinite money! :: Troll Science [01:34]
bitcoinpete ;;later tell fluffypony doesn't this remind you of usagi? [01:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:35]
assbot No more expired Milk! :: Troll Science [01:35]
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TheNewDeal bc,stats [01:40]
TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats [01:40]
gribble Current Blocks: 306715 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1732 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14691342334.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.12724 [01:40]
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mike_c !jd mpif [01:43]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.84862188 BTC; +0.45077444 BTC (+0.2630%) since last check 2h 17m 56s ago. [01:43]
mike_c whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup. [01:44]
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bitcoinpete looking good, TheNewDeal [01:46]
TheNewDeal for sure [01:48]
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bitcoinpete fluffypony: mircea_popescu i found our term for 10'000 satoshi: satoshi's calf [01:50]
assbot Cow's calf is Cockney Rhyming Slang for 50 pence! [01:50]
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bitcoinpete cow's calf is the only slang term for half a quid i could find [01:51]
punkman bitcoinpete: why don't we call it a moiety [01:53]
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moiety please do! :D [01:54]
bitcoinpete punkman: that would be quite the honour [01:54]
moiety moiety means one half of a whole anyways [01:55]
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mircea_popescu whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup. << lmao [02:00]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete i recall it was discussed here back then, FabianB came up with an azn term [02:01]
mircea_popescu guxy or something [02:01]
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bitcoinpete a ic [02:01]
bitcoinpete "So let’s recognize the world has changed a bit over the last two decades and call them for what they are. These aren’t startups - and most of the upside from investing in these companies comes before they even go public, not after the fact." [02:02]
bitcoinpete [02:02]
assbot The Myth of the Billion Dollar Startup [02:02]
bitcoinpete speaking of d.btgo and d.bpay [02:02]
mircea_popescu course the problem here is mpex is kinda the billion dollar start-up [02:03]
mircea_popescu or at least was, before inept management and so forth killed half its value :D [02:03]
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punkman mircea_popescu: when did mpex peak? [02:04]
mircea_popescu i think when btc was 1.2k [02:04]
mircea_popescu in dollar syou mean ? [02:05]
punkman in btc [02:05]
punkman never mind ;) [02:05]
mircea_popescu in btc it sorta fought for 1 like 3 or 4 times [02:06]
punkman about this time last year [02:07]
bitcoinpete 1 guxy/moiety/satoshi's calf, that is... [02:07]
mod6 punkman: here's a chart: [02:08]
assbot S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha [02:08]
bitcoinpete "I have found that being nice builds your reputation. I have found that leaving money on the table, and being generous, pays dividends." << fred wilson [02:08]
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bitcoinpete [02:08]
assbot Be Nice Or Leave AVC [02:08]
mircea_popescu what's avc again ? [02:08]
mircea_popescu i'd like to short that idiocy. [02:09]
punkman is a blog [02:09]
mthreat he's a VC from NYC. [02:09]
bitcoinpete [02:09]
mircea_popescu mthreat no i know who the guy is, just, avc didn't compute [02:10]
assbot Fred Wilson (fredwilson) auf Twitter [02:10]
mircea_popescu but whatever, leave hius blog. i wasn't even there. [02:10]
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TheNewDeal anyone know of the mpoe vwap of the entirety of 2013? [02:18]
TheNewDeal just curious [02:18]
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punkman [02:30]
assbot Chet Baker "Summertime" - YouTube [02:30]
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TheNewDeal can't believe someone put down 1.6 on BTC above 800 before july. 5 days ago would have had twice the timweight [02:35]
bitcoinpete saw that [02:36]
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bitcoinpete bizarre [02:36]
bitcoinpete [02:36]
assbot Reddit asks. Reddit gets. /hashtag/sneakpeak?src=hash /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash iOS /Apple coming soon [02:36]
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bitcoinpete as is cary's pandering [02:36]
TheNewDeal even stranger. Go look at the last 2 bets on bastille day [02:36]
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decimation ;;later tell Mats_cd03 I apologize for logging - I had to get some sleep for an early morning. I generally check the logs within a few days, so it's still productive to write for the record. [02:38]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:38]
bitcoinpete TheNewDeal lol such weight [02:38]
punkman last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers [02:40]
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decimation re: wreckers - sounds like a good description of the environmental lobby to me. bring back RSFSR penal code article 58 [02:42]
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TheNewDeal wtf is going on [02:44]
TheNewDeal nvm must not refresh like I thought [02:44]
asciilifeform decimation: wreckers << brought up because of brits blaming russian agents for 'discounting our wonderful renewable energy potential' [02:44]
bitcoinpete off to the library... [02:46]
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decimation yeah that's stupid. If I were Russia I would fund the environmentalists to protest sane solutions like nuclear fission and promote insane solutions like wind [02:49]
decimation supporting the losers who oppose the new pantheism of our elites would be dumb [02:49]
asciilifeform where do you imagine us/euro enviro-whiners came from [02:50]
decimation hehe yeah exactly. And the wreckers (kulaks, rednecks, red-staters, etc) are all the same 'round the world [02:50]
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benkay wtf is going on // have they gone evil yet? [03:04]
TheNewDeal haha possibly. I was just looking at the website and apparently only the first block on the top was refreshing. List read 306725 , 306719, 306718.... [03:04]
TheNewDeal thought GHASH pulled a sneaky one and solved like 6 blocks in a row [03:04]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.0001 * 600 [03:05]
gribble 0.06 [03:05]
TheNewDeal miners fee? [03:06]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.001 * 600 [03:06]
gribble 0.6 [03:06]
thestringpuller wow this site wants to use 0.001 as a miners fee [03:06]
thestringpuller bold [03:06]
thestringpuller that's like jurov's 0.02 withdrawal fee lol [03:07]
TheNewDeal hahahaha [03:08]
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asciilifeform ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 voice [03:40]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Mats_cd03 has been recorded. [03:40]
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Mats_cd03 har har [03:46]
asciilifeform ;;rate mats 1 temporary voice [03:48]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mats has been recorded. [03:48]
decimation Did you lose your voice mats ? [03:49]
Mats_cd03 i lost my gpg passphrase [03:51]
Mats_cd03 much shame upon family [03:51]
decimation sucks :( I will take this as a reminder to test out my backup arrangements [03:52]
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Mats_cd03 in this instance, my brain was the failure mode [04:03]
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assbot Moore's Law Goes To War: How Can The Department Of Defense Keep Pace With Changes In IT? | Brookings Institution [04:04]
Mats_cd03 fucking academics... moore's law is dead [04:04]
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BingoBoingo %book [04:14]
atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160 [04:14]
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kakobrekla he can do that himself nao [04:22]
kakobrekla unless lost pass again. [04:22]
BingoBoingo You never know... [04:24]
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decimation re: moore's law [04:40]
assbot Intel reveals its FrankenChip ARM killer: one FPGA and one Xeon IN ONE SOCKET The Register [04:40]
asciilifeform decimation: for some years, there were fpga on the market that fit into an intel or amd cpu socket [04:51]
asciilifeform decimation: built by nallatech (nsa contractor) and a few other outfits. thus, golden toilet prices [04:51]
decimation it is interesting, but there's no word on the details, like dynamic reconfiguration [04:52]
asciilifeform but at least these were traditional fpga and one could (at least in the case of xilinx) use linux toolchain, traditional vhdl/verilog, etc [04:52]
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decimation you think that won't be the case with this intel chip? [04:52]
asciilifeform in the case of the intel product, even if it is placed on open market - you'll have to wait for reverse-engineered loader [04:52]
asciilifeform (intel never once in its entire life published anything but a mockery of 'open source.' see their 'open' bios, for example.) [04:53]
decimation but... this is intel's solution to "open" arm competition. Why would they start with a proprietary toolchain? [04:53]
asciilifeform this is merely idiocy of the journalist [04:53]
asciilifeform afaik there is no mass-market arm/fpga combo ic [04:53]
decimation no, but somehow according to the journalist companies like google would prefer to buy this intel fpga/cpu rather than an arm chip [04:54]
asciilifeform (actually there may be. fpga/cpu combo is a dime a dozen - xilinx made ppc/fpga cores for ages. but a modern pc arch cpu is something rather else) [04:54]
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BingoBoingo PPC's modern [04:55]
decimation I'm pretty sure altera makes an fpga with an arm core [04:55]
asciilifeform modern clock rate [04:55]
decimation probably ... in an intel fab [04:55]
asciilifeform idea is, intel fears for its life, because x86 (and all the compatibility kludges that enable 20 years of crapola to run) is doomed. [04:56]
BingoBoingo Ah, features like an MMU aren't enough anymore. Now your need the pretense of "fast" [04:56]
asciilifeform danger of sane folks moving onto linux/arm (or whatever other arch) [04:56]
decimation aside from the journalist, there is an implict admission from intel here ... "We have no idea how to organize the transistors on our chip, here - have an FPGA" [04:56]
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asciilifeform so gotta keep x86/winblows relevant somehow [04:56]
asciilifeform this is a lock-in play. [04:56]
decimation well, it's already happened on the mobile world - which is the only world selling chips in large quantities [04:57]
asciilifeform intel did once propose to stuff x86 turdballs in phones - to laughter around the world [04:57]
decimation intel's afraid that google et. al. will switch to arm in the server room - leaving the x86 market to ... nobody at all [04:58]
asciilifeform well, the high end [04:58]
decimation even those xscale chips that flopped weren't x86 as I recall [04:58]
asciilifeform (where their margin is fattest) [04:58]
decimation yeah there's still the "computing" computing market that mostly uses xeons [04:58]
asciilifeform xscale was their attempt at the true microcontroller market [04:58]
decimation but I don't think intel is going to survive on xeon chips alone [04:58]
asciilifeform the only people truly married to x86 are the folks bound to microshit [04:59]
asciilifeform i think at this point this isn't really controversial [04:59]
decimation and the scientific computing market is not wed to microshit [05:00]
decimation so if there is a serious linux based alternative cpu for them -- they are gone [05:00]
asciilifeform there is a reason we have the word - 'wintel' [05:00]
asciilifeform the two are 'partners in crime' [05:01]
decimation they still might sell some low end chips to idiots who want to run word or whatever [05:01]
decimation microsoft is pretty much in the same position [05:02]
decimation there are some games and business software that they have lock-in on [05:02]
decimation but that's also looking like a pretty niche market [05:02]
thestringpuller profitable. it is good starting money asset wise [05:03]
thestringpuller ooos mt [05:03]
thestringpuller video games rule [05:03]
decimation intel market cap 150B; microsoft market cap 342B [05:03]
decimation at least intel can lease fabs to third parties [05:04]
asciilifeform recall how intel helped ms to cripple os/2 [05:04]
asciilifeform (secret instructions) [05:04]
decimation yeah this whole affair reminds me very much of os/2 [05:04]
decimation except now microsoft is the out-of-touch monopoly with no ideas [05:04]
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asciilifeform intel is ms hardware arm. [05:04]
asciilifeform has been nothing but this, since 1990 or so. [05:05]
BingoBoingo The piece of software most damaging to progress in computing in history has probably been Microsoft Office [05:05]
asciilifeform ms on the other hand is... usg department of compyooting. [05:05]
decimation yeah that's true, the only organization on earth that will voluntarily use ms is the usg [05:05]
asciilifeform only when seen in this light do the facts begin to make sense. [05:06]
decimation "you want to get paid? well, you better write your TPS reports in MS so we can give you tax dollars" [05:06]
TheNewDeal hahaha [05:07]
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decimation this turns into "everyone" uses ms to transact business, we have no choice... [05:07]
decimation [05:08]
assbot DOD saves $100M a year with new Microsoft licensing deal | Network World [05:08]
TheNewDeal that's like the people who clip out all the coupons and then go shopping to save money [05:09]
decimation if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on [05:09]
asciilifeform as if this was ever a goal. [05:10]
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decimation that's pretty much the mission statement of the nsa, gov't labs, et al [05:10]
decimation note that very little progress has been made [05:11]
asciilifeform usg has exactly the os it wants. [05:11]
Apocalyptic heh [05:11]
asciilifeform and intel products are the very same ideas, incarnated as hardware. [05:12]
asciilifeform (decades of legacy crud, endless mine of 'plausibly deniable' bug, documentation that would fill an entire bookcase and - when available - in heavily censored version, etc.) [05:13]
* asciilifeform blows dust of volumes of intel & amd cpu manual [05:13]
asciilifeform ^ what isn't in there is considerably more interesting than what is [05:14]
asciilifeform example: [05:14]
asciilifeform the only real source of genuine documentation on intel cpu initialization is: [05:15]
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asciilifeform leaked AMI bios from a few years ago. [05:15]
asciilifeform (*leaked source) [05:15]
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asciilifeform very telling detail - neither intel nor amd publish microcode documentation. (intel's microcode loader is known only from the leaked ami src, afaik. amd's is public. intel crypts their patches, amd - no. both release opaque binary blobs for microcode, no docs.) [05:17]
decimation it is odd that one of the companies doesn't try to be open to get more market share [05:17]
asciilifeform lol [05:18]
asciilifeform intel is arm of usg. amd - produces clones at the crown's pleasure (see agreement with intel) [05:18]
asciilifeform stops playing ball - no more clone. [05:19]
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decimation but it's probably the case that if you are correct - that these microcode patches may weaken usg's own infrastructure [05:19]
BingoBoingo I keep telling people an OpenSparc *nix netbook would sell [05:20]
asciilifeform usg is not interested in securing own infrastructure in this sense. [05:20]
asciilifeform see, e.g. [05:20]
assbot Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. [05:20]
decimation I need to read Eco's book, I've seen it mentioned in many places [05:21]
asciilifeform first rule of usg comsec - secure machine must not come to exist, the wrong folks might use it. [05:21]
asciilifeform kbg followed same rule, with soviet 'gost' cipher scheme [05:21]
asciilifeform note the observation about how no known u.s. military crypto gizmo allows generation of keys by the operator. ever. [05:22]
asciilifeform all keys come from the continent. [05:22]
asciilifeform (no prizes for guessing why) [05:22]
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asciilifeform usg concept of seekoority -> controlled porosity. [05:23]
Mats_cd03 passable writeup of factions [05:24]
assbot Mulling Iraq options: Begin by telling me which of these groups you want to bomb [05:24]
asciilifeform because 'sane machine for me but not for thee' doesn't work - can't guarantee future loyalty of the folks you issue the hardware to. [05:24]
decimation yeah that's an interesting theory [05:25]
decimation plenty of hard drives have aes "built-in", supposedly [05:28]
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decimation ie [05:29]
assbot Stonewood's Eclypt Drive: the AES-256 Data Fortress [05:29]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust gigavps [05:33]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011 [05:33]
BingoBoingo %book [05:38]
atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160 [05:38]
BingoBoingo %diff [05:39]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 434630.21 in 476 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.24 [05:39]
BingoBoingo %ticker [05:42]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 58k High: 235 Low: 200 VWAP: 200 [05:42]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [05:50]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.52, Best ask: 594.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 594.0, 24 hour volume: 5350.24576182, 24 hour low: 589.01, 24 hour high: 609.98, 24 hour vwap: 0 [05:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21000006 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2} [05:51]
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BingoBoingo ;;lasers [05:52]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [05:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0670001 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2} [05:53]
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BingoBoingo [06:12]
assbot The Man Behind the Web's Most Controversial Video Site [06:12]
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moiety i didn't even know this site existed [06:19]
BingoBoingo moiety: All of the most interesting videos are on World sStar Hip Hop. [06:20]
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moiety BingoBoingo: including "the killing of 16-year-old Chicago student Derrion Albert in 2009" < also didn't know that was allowed [06:25]
BingoBoingo moiety: It's pretty much certain parts of urban black 'Murica unedited [06:27]
BingoBoingo Scares the hell out of white 'Murica [06:27]
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moiety most things do [06:35]
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BingoBoingo You know what's fucked up, Pedestrians in Google street view [06:41]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: now mostly censored. [06:42]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: google almost certainly has a sizeable squad devoted solely to this. [06:43]
BingoBoingo Not in this neighborhood I'm browsing for apartments [06:43]
asciilifeform if you link it here - i'd bet it will vanish within the year. [06:43]
BingoBoingo Well, turns out at the right angle face is blurred [06:50]
BingoBoingo,-89.223088,3a,75y,66.38h,78.32t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0__9LObQ7GKja0w_GUKZjA!2e0?hl=en [06:50]
assbot Google Maps [06:50]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what is interesting in this picture ? [06:54]
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BingoBoingo From that position Due East there is a girl. From this angle face is blured. Try noving North or South... No bluring [06:55]
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moiety lol whats the poinbt [07:40]
moiety point [07:40]
moiety assange did an ama [07:41]
moiety pretty good read [07:41]
assbot I am Julian Assange, publisher of Wikileaks. Ask me anything. : IAmA [07:41]
asciilifeform mentions of asking the poster to pgp/gpg... [07:43]
asciilifeform 0. [07:43]
asciilifeform (he could be you, me, hitler) [07:43]
asciilifeform (is assange even associated with a key?) [07:44]
asciilifeform decimation: aes hard disk << what actually happens inside the drive? how does one know? this is not a minor detail - it's the beginning and end. [07:47]
moiety [07:49]
assbot Why didn't Julian Assange use PGP properly when handing over the US State Department cables.csv file to David Leigh ?? - WikiLeak [07:49]
asciilifeform lol at expecting anyone to have sympathy for the folks who lost their heads from cables.csv (assuming any) [07:54]
moiety asciilifeform: to do an ama, reddit requires proof ... i wonder what form this took for assange [07:54]
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asciilifeform in any country, there is - starting from local constabulary to the national gendarmerie - an archive, with list of stoolies, provocateurs, agents. [07:56]
asciilifeform sometimes - rarely - mob gets the list. [07:56]
asciilifeform heads roll. new regime, new list. [07:57]
asciilifeform (usually heavily borrowed from old. in east germany, how many heads rolled? zero) [07:57]
asciilifeform when turning stoolie - remember about the list. [07:58]
asciilifeform '...the names of political dissidents who were in contact with the US Embassy' << 'world's smallest violin' plays. [07:58]
asciilifeform reminds me of a convo i once had with a former american soldier (remains nameless) [08:00]
asciilifeform him: 'those motherfuckers, can you believe, they shot my translator the first minute he was alone.' [08:01]
asciilifeform me: 'say tomorrow chinese come. i learn chinese, become translator. i turn my back to you in dark alley. now what' [08:02]
moiety what did he say? [08:06]
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BingoBoingo %book [08:10]
atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160 [08:10]
asciilifeform he didn't say much. possibly - understood. [08:12]
asciilifeform 'More interestingly, many Americans no longer even understand the concepts of loyalty and treason—again, not surprising, since for a few generations now they have been ruled by traitors, whose routine acts of betrayal are designed to benefit just about anyone—from Israeli arms smugglers to Afghani heroin dealers—except the people who supposedly elect them to office.' [08:13]
asciilifeform (orlov, of course. [08:13]
assbot ClubOrlov [08:13]
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moiety they are very dedicated to fighting for their country but they don't seem to know truly why [08:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21999976 = 1.32 BTC [+] {3} [08:26]
danielpbarron 01:39:44 < Ex0deus> monetary incentive makes people do all the wrong things [08:40]
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asciilifeform punkman: old. [08:49]
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asciilifeform punkman: - discussion below [08:51]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [08:51]
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punkman asciilifeform: I liked that slide [09:12]
punkman [09:13]
assbot Mamarazza | [09:13]
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BingoBoingo !jd mpif [09:23]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.88204254 BTC; +0.03342066 BTC (+0.0194%) since last check 7h 40m 44s ago. [09:23]
BingoBoingo !mpif [09:24]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021706 BTC (Total: 434.14 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+] [09:24]
BingoBoingo !jd [09:24]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 18936 BTC profit, 51.7k BTC invested, 1260.27 mio bets, 5.31 mio BTC wagered [09:24]
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BingoBoingo Delusionist >> [09:35]
assbot We’re Telling England There’s a Chance! | FiveThirtyEight [09:35]
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moiety someone just told me the scottish accent was their favourite english accent -_- [09:40]
BingoBoingo Did you correct them... [09:41]
moiety i said that's like me saying the american accent is my favourite canadian accent [09:41]
moiety apparently they meant english language and just said it wrong.... [09:42]
BingoBoingo No, it's like saying the Boston accent is your favorite Southern drawl [09:42]
BingoBoingo [09:42]
assbot Scientists find Achilles' heel of antibiotic resistant bacteria - Telegraph [09:42]
BingoBoingo Which organism mentioned does not belong... [09:42]
moiety at least they are both in the same country [09:42]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: We're in trouble [09:43]
assbot Draper Labs Develops Low Cost Probe To Orbit, Land On Europa For NASA - Slashdot [09:43]
BingoBoingo moiety: They don't want to be though [09:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0689999 = 0.966 BTC [+] [09:45]
BingoBoingo !Whysofewtrades [09:48]
* BingoBoingo remembers the days assbot was ignored as spamzor #1 [09:50]
punkman I'm surprised nothing more plausible than bitcoinbourse has come up yet [09:52]
BingoBoingo It's sad to have to say this, but as bad as it is Cryptostocks seems more plausible than bitcoinbourse [09:54]
punkman not many hitpoints left there [09:55]
BingoBoingo Well neither venture has many. The question is, which snail is the fastest. [09:55]
BingoBoingo Well, that was maybe two months ago. Now the question is "Which aquatic snail is the fastest on the Utah salt flats" [09:56]
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punkman the omgdecentralized exchanges are keeping all the great minds occupied [10:00]
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BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Heretic coin seems dead [10:08]
assbot [ANN][ALT][Altcoin][scrypt Adaptive N-factor][Random][Fair Launch][No ASIC] [10:08]
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fluffypony you have to feed them news regularly [10:12]
fluffypony otherwise the natives get restless [10:12]
BingoBoingo Speaking of Cryptostocks [10:12]
assbot Diamond Circle - Information memorandum - Ticker 'XDC' - [10:12]
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BingoBoingo punkman1: These fucking aussies who strike out on their own are a form of the worst. [10:29]
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BingoBoingo punkman: Also is this dude even talking about BTC here or his own invention he bestowed an already occupied name upon [10:32]
assbot Diamond Circle - Information memorandum - Ticker 'XDC' - [10:32]
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BingoBoingo [10:50]
assbot Cookies Loaded with $52,000 Worth of Cocaine Seized at Newark Airport [10:50]
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BingoBoingo [10:59]
assbot Real Startup That Mails You Quarters for Laundry Isn't Seeking Funding [10:59]
cazalla BingoBoingo: didn't you know that the biggest Australian export after resources are bitcoin scams? (, hair dresser ipos, kenilworth and on it goes) [10:59]
Apocalyptic heh [11:00]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I thought it was sand... [11:00]
Apocalyptic will be counted into GDP no doubt [11:00]
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BingoBoingo This is basically CoinBase [11:03]
assbot Washboard [11:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15886 @ 0.00080343 = 12.7633 BTC [-] [11:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00080276 = 11.3189 BTC [-] [11:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21209405 = 0.8484 BTC [-] {3} [11:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.20690622 = 4.5519 BTC [-] {3} [11:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.20575862 = 5.967 BTC [-] {2} [11:19]
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moiety !up Vexual please get in the wot, i'll help you [11:31]
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Vexual I'll be less fun if everything I write is signed [11:32]
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Vexual and jurov might want the key when I sell my soul to him [11:36]
Apocalyptic I'll be less fun if everything I write is signed // you seem to have a misconception here [11:38]
Vexual hows that? [11:38]
Apocalyptic having a WoT account doesn't mean everything you write is signed [11:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.205 = 0.615 BTC [-] [11:42]
Vexual no thats true [11:42]
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Vexual afaik no such irc client is in the public domain [11:45]
fluffypony so with my flight to Estonia on Monday I have normal business class baggage limits - 32kg x2 checked, 8kg x2 hand luggage - but my local flight from here to Joburg has a 20kg *total* baggage limit [11:46]
* fluffypony is going to get shafted with excess baggage fees [11:46]
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fluffypony R25/kg ($2.33-ish) [11:46]
Vexual are they hard arse about it? [11:48]
fluffypony just phoned them - they'll increase my free limit to 30kgs [11:49]
fluffypony such kindness. [11:49]
Vexual just put all the gold in your hand luggage and think light thoughts [11:50]
fluffypony lol [11:50]
xmj fluffypony: when are you boarding? [11:51]
fluffypony xmj: Monday night [11:51]
xmj right [11:51]
xmj :) [11:51]
xmj fluffypony: i haven't found the tailor yet. been busy all week [11:51]
fluffypony no problem - we can always go hunting [11:52]
fluffypony I land at 1:30pm on Tue [11:52]
xmj right [11:52]
fluffypony so we can go hunting in the afternoon [11:52]
xmj give me a call once you land [11:53]
fluffypony will do [11:53]
Vexual what does one hunt in estonia? [11:53]
fluffypony Vexual: tailors [11:54]
fluffypony for excellent Eastern European suits [11:54]
Vexual but where do you get the tweed? [11:55]
fluffypony it grows naturally in the tweed fields of Southern Estonia [11:55]
Vexual oh [11:55]
xmj see, he already knows more about the country i live in than i do. [11:56]
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xmj fluffypony: you're flying from frankfurt with lufthansa [11:56]
fluffypony yes [11:57]
xmj do yourself a favor and have fun with the stewardesses. [11:57]
fluffypony lol [11:57]
xmj they're usually really cool [11:57]
fluffypony will do [11:57]
Apocalyptic for excellent Eastern European suits // curious, I never heard anyone praise EE suits before [11:57]
xmj whenever i fly fra<>tll i choose one of the last rows, and by the time they're done serving people hang out in the back and chat with them. [11:57]
xmj just for the lulz. [11:58]
Apocalyptic Milanese tailors often are [11:58]
xmj Apocalyptic: mainstream! [11:58]
Apocalyptic hardly [11:58]
Vexual too much ball touching [11:58]
xmj Apocalyptic: average salary level in estonia is 800EUR. [11:58]
xmj so you'll be able to find a real decent tailor for less than you'd spend in other places. [11:58]
Apocalyptic that I can agree with [11:59]
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xmj Apocalyptic: economics 101:D [12:02]
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Apocalyptic xmj, when I go for excellent i don't look at the price [12:02]
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xmj ya [12:03]
xmj i work in IT, tshirts are permissible work clothes. [12:03]
xmj tshirts and shorts in summer ;) [12:03]
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pankkake I wouldn't trust someone in IT with a suit [12:06]
Apocalyptic as you wouldn't trust someone in finance dressed in a tshirt supposedly [12:06]
pankkake I wouldn't trust anyone in finance! [12:07]
moiety lol [12:08]
Vexual web of no! [12:09]
Vexual real IT people don't leave the house [12:15]
fluffypony lol [12:15]
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Vexual 150Kpa and get dressed? too much pressure [12:23]
Vexual it's all about bitcoins per square inch now [12:26]
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Vexual anyone know about the gpg multi irc client? [12:30]
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moiety no, here you just register with gribble, its really straight forward [12:33]
Vexual yes im talking of something else entirely [12:34]
BingoBoingo %book [12:35]
atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160 [12:35]
Vexual %diff [12:35]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 432963.19 in 457 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.48 [12:35]
Vexual whats that about a month? [12:36]
BingoBoingo Maybe? Maybe less? [12:36]
Vexual ;;calc 457*1/24 [12:37]
gribble 19.0416666667 [12:37]
BingoBoingo I have to say it looks like bid depth is back in fashion [12:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10393 @ 0.00080343 = 8.35 BTC [+] [12:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.068 = 1.088 BTC [-] {3} [12:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06682465 = 0.6014 BTC [-] {5} [13:04]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [13:05]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 585.64, vol: 6505.86423318 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 585.996, vol: 5448.09482 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 586.0, vol: 7981.63740987 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 589.99, vol: 48.0889131 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 595.257585, vol: 2221.48030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 589.18043, vol: 8.21155122 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 577.943901, vol: 59.93883116 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [13:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06570882 = 1.5113 BTC [-] {4} [13:05]
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BingoBoingo [13:13]
assbot Flying RoboCop is a riot control octocopter with guns and lasers | Ars Technica [13:13]
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Vexual ;;lasers [13:14]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [13:14]
moiety ;; laserkittens [13:14]
gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* [13:14]
Vexual wtf [13:14]
moiety we need manuls with lasers! [13:15]
moiety [13:16]
assbot BBC News - The macabre world of books bound in human skin [13:16]
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Vexual sup nubules? [13:25]
Vexual nubbins` [13:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06361 = 1.9083 BTC [-] [13:26]
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Vexual [13:31]
assbot 04. Wiley - Straight Outta London [Creating A Buzz Vol. 1] - YouTube [13:31]
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moiety sorry my internet had a stroke [13:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00080111 = 18.8261 BTC [-] {3} [13:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.19516873 = 5.8551 BTC [-] {8} [14:33]
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penguirker New blog post: [15:07]
kakobrekla >I just uncovered a problem. I'm using the API to trade. I'm generating orders, and they are accepted by Bitfinex, but thats the extent of it. I have an orderid, time stamp, and the response says the trade is active. They don't get processed, and the history doesn't get updated. I've sent an email to support, but was just wondering if anyone else has seen anything strange like this. Seems to have start after 4:30 this afternoon. Th [15:07]
kakobrekla last time a trade was written to my history. [15:07]
kakobrekla ftw. [15:07]
kakobrekla gox qualitat. [15:08]
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los_pantalones kakobrekla i'm submitting orders via api [15:20]
los_pantalones and they are working fine [15:20]
kakobrekla its a quote from the forums [15:20]
kakobrekla im not using that piece of shit. [15:20]
los_pantalones oh shit, i'm a jackass, sorry [15:20]
kakobrekla no worries [15:21]
los_pantalones [15:22]
assbot Washboard [15:22]
los_pantalones signed you up for that [15:22]
los_pantalones as a mea culpa [15:22]
los_pantalones yw [15:22]
kakobrekla what is this some bitcoin mixer [15:24]
los_pantalones no, you pay $15/mo for $10 in quarters [15:24]
los_pantalones delivered to your door [15:24]
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los_pantalones jenius [15:24]
kakobrekla i dun get it [15:25]
BingoBoingo It's exactly like COinbase!!! [15:25]
* kakobrekla is prolly retarded [15:26]
los_pantalones nothing to get, it's retarded [15:26]
los_pantalones twas but a poor joke [15:26]
BingoBoingo Washboard is a startup whose business is you send them money, and they return to you less money! [15:27]
los_pantalones in physical form [15:27]
BingoBoingo An Honest Startup! [15:27]
los_pantalones to be fair, the people in the photos look really happy [15:28]
kakobrekla ahh! but i just need new underpants. [15:28]
pankkake I hate dealing with small monies, I usually leave the change - I don't mind paying "more" [15:29]
pankkake well this service does the reverse [15:29]
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BingoBoingo Eh, the ATF is probably going to go after them when one of their customers fills a sock with their quarters and uses the product as a weapon. [15:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 85 @ 0.01805932 = 1.535 BTC [-] {12} [16:05]
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pankkake !t h am1 [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.19420000 / 0.21482589 / 0.22599900 (208 shares, 44.68378540 BTC), 7D: 0.18410000 / 0.21502034 / 0.25983989 (1039 shares, 223.40612862 BTC), 30D: 0.11000000 / 0.25820242 / 0.50990000 (5201 shares, 1342.91079699 BTC) [16:18]
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BingoBoingo %ticker [17:03]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 58k High: 235 Low: 200 VWAP: 200 [17:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15771 @ 0.0008015 = 12.6405 BTC [+] {2} [17:14]
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Mats_cd03 [17:38]
assbot LOLO - Hit and Run by LOLOmusic on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds [17:38]
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mike_c decimation:if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on << on the other hand, they couldn't even build a fucking website with hundreds of millions of dollars. [17:45]
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Mats_cd03 usfg lubed up the wheels and now works p good [17:57]
Mats_cd03 prob compromised already, but hey... [17:57]
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bitcoinpete oh barry… [18:01]
assbot ./SecondMarket and /BitcoinTrust now accepting orders for syndicate in US Marshals bitcoin auction. Details/access: [18:01]
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Mats_cd03 [18:08]
assbot DOROTHY - After Midnight by Dorothy & The Band on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds [18:08]
FabianB !mpif [18:08]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021711 BTC (Total: 434.24 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+] [18:08]
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bitcoinpete [18:34]
assbot When people call you intelligent it is because they agree with you. Otherwise they just call you arrogant. [18:34]
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bitcoinpete << coindeskin' [18:47]
assbot Mt. Gox Victims Angered by Mark Karpeles' Twitter Return [18:47]
bitcoinpete << bitcoin/java dev jobs [18:47]
assbot [18:47]
bitcoinpete £80,000 per annum wouldn't be shabby if you didn't have to live in the city [18:49]
mike_c heh, the replies to all of karpeles recent tweets are great. what did he think was going to happen? [18:50]
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bitcoinpete karps was probably just feeling lonely [18:58]
bitcoinpete that's what social media is mostly for [18:59]
bitcoinpete getting feedback [18:59]
davout the best for karpy would be the french "légion étrangère" [18:59]
davout new identity, free workouts [18:59]
bitcoinpete lol [19:00]
bitcoinpete he can afford the workouts [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.74984813 BTC to 9`369 shares, 18677 satoshi per share [19:00]
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pankkake I think he's a piñata, but with bitcoins inside his body [19:05]
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davout pankkake: you mean he shouls be hung somewhere ? [19:05]
davout *should [19:06]
pankkake why not. [19:07]
pankkake who is this new member of the cult of mpex? [19:07]
assbot Which stock securities do you recommend ? [19:07]
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bitcoinpete ya, mpex has the fakiest volume around [19:09]
kakobrekla !t m s.bbet [19:09]
assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (281 shares, 0.14 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (2000 shares, 1.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00048574 / 0.000525 (8628 shares, 4.19 BTC) [19:09]
kakobrekla yea, real volume is over 9000 fyi [19:09]
bitcoinpete i mean, how could anyone have so many bitcoins? [19:09]
mike_c plus he got it wrong. it's MPEx, not MPex. [19:10]
bitcoinpete "^^MPex --> fake volume, site operator is dishonest and in SEC's crosshairs. Would avoid." [19:10]
mike_c btw, free money alert. mpif ask below nav. [19:10]
mike_c !mpif [19:10]
assbot Failed to get JD stats [19:11]
bitcoinpete it's not mircea pexchange? [19:11]
mike_c aww. i blame JD [19:11]
pankkake mike_c: well, that's jurov work [19:11]
pankkake job* [19:11]
kakobrekla !mpif [19:12]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021732 BTC (Total: 434.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+] [19:12]
kakobrekla sometimes its fast sometimes it dosent happen at all [19:12]
pankkake I never followed bitfunder, but I wonder how it ended up as such a fractional reserve [19:12]
thestringpuller NAV is going above last trade, very nice [19:12]
thestringpuller very nice indeed! [19:12]
pankkake while I don't believe btctctc faked volumes [19:12]
mike_c kakobrekla: but that error handling! kudos to us :) [19:14]
kakobrekla ;) [19:14]
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fluffypony pankkake: railzand is cool, I know he reads logs [19:20]
fluffypony not sure if he ever hangs around here [19:20]
fluffypony but he's pinged me with stuff from time to time [19:20]
pankkake railzand, why not in the WoT, mate? [19:21]
fluffypony lol [19:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 260 @ 0.01992805 = 5.1813 BTC [+] {4} [19:24]
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ThickAsThieves [19:26]
assbot US college offers athletic scholarships to 'League of Legends' players | The Verge [19:26]
pankkake nice. well starcraft would be better [19:27]
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danielpbarron Dota would be better still [19:29]
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pankkake [19:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.0186 = 0.5952 BTC [+] {2} [19:33]
assbot Schools Are Using Starcraft 2 as Serious Education Tools | Gamification Co [19:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06361007 = 2.0355 BTC [-] {2} [19:38]
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ThickAsThieves <+mike_c> you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know.// ah, i assumed i needed to place some sort of text file at the domain to get picked up, but i am somewhat comfortable with DNS so I can do that too if needed [19:41]
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mike_c ok. i would like for some eager dev to port bitcoin-seeder, but nobody has volunteered yet. [19:42]
mike_c so maybe we just do it manually for now. [19:42]
ThickAsThieves <+bitcoinpete> "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives." /// Stop being mean to Litecoin! (I just proposed a new bet that Dark(coin) will defeat Lite(coin) :) [19:42]
ThickAsThieves <+fluffypony> I already linked to the github repo for it /// i'm not sure what that means, tell me what to do! [19:42]
benkay good morning, assettes! [19:43]
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mod6 %d [19:45]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 429352.57 in 441 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.98 [19:45]
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FabianB $depth f.mpif [19:50]
empyex FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 556 @ 0.00021733 100 @ 0.00021711 100 @ 0.00021710 100 @ 0.00021708 [19:50]
empyex FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 10000 @ 0.00023850 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 [19:50]
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BingoBoingo %book [19:52]
atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160 [19:52]
BingoBoingo [19:54]
assbot Yo, the World's Dumbest App, Hacked by Three College Students [19:54]
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ThickAsThieves holy netsplits [19:54]
moiety hello [19:55]
kakobrekla so tell me people, i need to make some api with signcryption model. should i go with sodium (ed25519), or just use pgp or something else? Curve25519 wont do (no signatures). [19:58]
mike_c just roll your own. new standard. [19:58]
davout kakobrekla: sodium sounds quite new [19:59]
kakobrekla does it? [19:59]
davout march 2013 [19:59]
pankkake do you have size constraints? [19:59]
davout the hot chicks do [20:00]
kakobrekla with the message size? not really but shorter is generally better (but not for sake of security) [20:00]
mike_c ugh. shame on your family. [20:01]
mike_c [20:01]
assbot | 404 - Page Cannot Be Found [20:01]
pankkake gpg can do ecdsa, though it's not accessible by default [20:01]
davout pankkake: that's gpg2 only iirc [20:01]
pankkake using gpg gives you the option of multiple schemes [20:02]
pankkake people still use gpg1? [20:02]
ThickAsThieves <+punkman> last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers ///i look forward to those bettors finding their way here to complain [20:02]
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pankkake [20:04]
assbot Re: [openpgp] Curve3617 in OpenPGP? Beyond rfc6637. [20:04]
davout kakobrekla: one advantage i'd see with gpg is that it would be easier for humans to use it manually [20:04]
kakobrekla its not meant for manual [20:05]
kakobrekla if its api [20:05]
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davout well, it doesn't hurt that it's easily testable by humans, just sayin [20:05]
punkman ThickAsThieves: related: [20:06]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [20:06]
kakobrekla yes but 99.99% of the time its used by machines, so lets optimize for that. [20:06]
davout pankkake: i have 1.4.13, doesn't seem to have any ECC enabled [20:06]
pankkake with gpg2 you have to enable expert mode [20:06]
* kakobrekla googles [20:07]
davout kakobrekla: "yes but 99.99% of the time its used by machines, so lets optimize for that." <<< if you follow this logic, all APIs would be better off using some binary protocol instead of JSON :D [20:09]
kakobrekla i will do base64 encode of the json, motherfucker. [20:09]
davout your face is base64 encoded [20:09]
kakobrekla only in the morning. [20:09]
davout for storage ? [20:10]
BingoBoingo Just use RSA and base 69 it [20:10]
FabianB why not bson? [20:11]
BingoBoingo 1MB keylength, because storage is cheap [20:11]
kakobrekla why not a lion or a hippo then! [20:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.02069181 = 0.6208 BTC [+] {3} [20:14]
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FabianB or Smile [20:18]
benkay Diablo-D3: i'm eating biscuits and gravy and it's the best thing ever [20:18]
BingoBoingo Why not. Seed the PRNG with randomized hippo matter. [20:18]
BingoBoingo benkay: I'm just chewing on some raw wheat like god intended. [20:18]
davout "i'm just eating an apple like god intended" [20:19]
benkay !up Diablo-D3 [20:20]
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benkay i'm interacting with the system gpg binary like god intended [20:20]
pankkake apples are ok, unlike the horrible things mentionned [20:21]
ThickAsThieves "Update your client, HARD FORK! Friday we will begin paying MasterNodes - Latest Client Stable: 9.10.1 and RC3 with Darksend is 10.10.1 - See downloads!" ~ Darkcoin developer [20:21]
ThickAsThieves conveniently occurring just as the price topped [20:22]
pankkake is this the closed source altcoin that just repackages CoinJoin? [20:22]
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fluffypony ThickAsThieves please let's refer to it by its proper name: Darkcon. [20:22]
fluffypony I'll be over here in the Monero corner giggling evilly [20:22]
ThickAsThieves all i know is day trading it has been much profitable [20:23]
ThickAsThieves monero is rocketing too [20:23]
ThickAsThieves how do you even buy it? [20:23]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Isn't monero the same bullshit since it isn't Altcoin, the only worthwhile altcoin [20:23]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: it's not forked from Bitcoin, so that already makes for a change [20:24]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: Poloniex has the most volume [20:24]
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fluffypony but when XMR is rocketing then often Bittrex is slow to catch up [20:24]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Forked from BBQcoin? [20:24]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: doesn't even use the Bitcoin protocol [20:25]
fluffypony no GUI, CLI only [20:25]
fluffypony based on this: [20:25]
fluffypony and the reference implementation thereof [20:25]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: So you descriminate against most derps then, reddit will nevar let you hear the end of it. [20:26]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: exactly [20:26]
pankkake also wallet and node are separate processes [20:27]
fluffypony yes [20:27]
pankkake you can run multiple wallets on the same node etc. [20:27]
fluffypony and atm we're working on properly daemonising bitmonerod, because it only runs in interactive mode [20:28]
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fluffypony and splitting simplewallet into rpcwallet (daemonised) and simplewallet (interactive CLI) [20:28]
fluffypony oh and it has a 24-word deterministic seed (based on Electrum's wordlist) [20:29]
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fluffypony so that will make usagi-level fuck ups less likely [20:29]
benkay this one cpu one vote thing is pretty bs [20:29]
fluffypony benkay: ignore that part - the PoW is up for discussion anyway [20:30]
fluffypony but [20:30]
fluffypony it has DEFINITELY lowered the gap between CPU and GPU miners [20:30]
kakobrekla my new mantra. [20:30]
fluffypony kakobrekla: of the whitepaper... [20:30]
kakobrekla well im keepin it nao [20:30]
pankkake but as always, the useful/working things could just be ported to Bitcoin [20:30]
fluffypony pankkake: ring signatures would be INCREDIBLY kludgy in Bitcoin [20:31]
pankkake why? [20:31]
benkay anonymity is also a red herring [20:31]
fluffypony gmaxwell has a test implementation of it, but judging by his comments in #monero-dev he doesn't like its fit with BTC much [20:31]
fluffypony benkay: in what sense? [20:31]
fluffypony try a transaction, look at it on the blockchain explorer, and then see what useful info you can derive at a mixin of 0 [20:32]
[]bot Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 56(Y):44(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.655 BTC. Current weight: 36,106. [20:34]
benkay wow integer btc hitting the wc bets [20:34]
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benkay fluffypony: it's not a use case for the vast majority of users, and for those who actually care solutions already exist. [20:34]
fluffypony that's only true *right now* [20:36]
benkay lol what are the solutions going to disappear? [20:37]
fluffypony what are the solutions? coinjoin? mixers? stealth addresses? hoping that the recipient never leaks the tx id? [20:38]
benkay buying coins offline. [20:40]
benkay sending them to fresh addresses. [20:41]
benkay broadcasting txns like a boss [20:41]
benkay (that is to say quietly). [20:41]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [20:41]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [20:41]
benkay i tell you man, red herring. [20:42]
penguirker New blog post: [20:42]
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fluffypony and then when you buy your illegal drugs or your very legal banned-thing-in-the-country-in-which-you-live you send it TO someone from those fresh addresses, and they can figure out who you bought it from [20:42]
fluffypony I would hazard that buying offline is even more dangerous than OTC on IRC [20:43]
BingoBoingo What, you don't use BitBet mixing? [20:43]
benkay who can figure out who i bought what from now? [20:43]
fluffypony benkay: when you are "buying coins offline" you're buying them FROM someone, no? [20:44]
benkay de veras [20:44]
fluffypony some fucktard from localbitcoins or mycelium or whatever [20:44]
benkay otc counts as offline imho [20:44]
fluffypony either way [20:44]
fluffypony that exposes you [20:44]
benkay how again? [20:44]
benkay and to whom? [20:45]
fluffypony gubmint suspects you are dealing in illicit books, so they setup a sting to sell you BTC - they are now able to watch you spend those coins on said illegal books [20:45]
fluffypony because they are the ones selling to you [20:45]
benkay dafuq [20:45]
benkay so...assume they've suborned one of my regular coin sources? [20:45]
benkay you have this whole story concocted that you're not sharing, man. [20:46]
fluffypony no story - I'm arguing that a use case will exist for untraceability (or optional traceability, if you will) in future [20:46]
benkay and i'm telling you i can buy coins untraceably right now. [20:47]
benkay unless my source is suborned. [20:47]
benkay in which case, even monero's SOL. [20:47]
fluffypony not entirely [20:48]
fluffypony the Monero blockchain won't reveal your balance, when you spend, how much you spend, or on what [20:48]
benkay and all the btc blockchain shows is that some random addr got some coins at some point [20:49]
benkay and then that those coins went to a known drug dealer at another point [20:49]
benkay if the shipment gets intercepted on the way back to me, monero's not going to save my ass [20:49]
benkay you're not actually doing the attack surface analysis man [20:49]
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fluffypony drugs are not the only use case [20:50]
benkay thing-im-not-supposed-to-have-#42 [20:50]
fluffypony but you've just explained the problem in your example [20:51]
fluffypony if you're being targeted by "them" then they know "some random adde" [20:51]
fluffypony addr [20:51]
benkay how? [20:51]
fluffypony aforementioned sting operation [20:51]
benkay suborned my dealer, you're saying. [20:51]
fluffypony yes [20:51]
benkay the coin salesman [20:51]
fluffypony and then you said that Monero was SOL [20:51]
fluffypony and I said it wasn't and explained why [20:52]
fluffypony and then you launched forth into a circuitous argument [20:52]
benkay so the dealer can't say i sent coins to that address with monero? [20:52]
pankkake also the idea here is that by default everything you do is hard to track [20:52]
fluffypony he can say all he want [20:52]
fluffypony he can't demonstrate you did [20:52]
fluffypony the blockchain won't reveal you did [20:52]
benkay that i did what now? sent coins to my drug dealer? [20:52]
fluffypony yes [20:52]
benkay k - but what about the package interception? [20:52]
benkay the posession of illicit goods is what enforcement cares about, right? [20:53]
fluffypony depends - if you're talking about drugs, sure [20:53]
fluffypony stolen goods? they just care that you bought it [20:53]
fluffypony what about digital goods? [20:53]
benkay digital goods being stolen coins? [20:54]
fluffypony no - I mean if you're buying digital goods [20:54]
fluffypony iTunes vouchers, for instance :-P [20:54]
benkay but illegal iTunes that i'm not supposed to have? [20:55]
fluffypony yes [20:55]
fluffypony so assuming that the delivery of the goods is not compromised [20:55]
benkay okay so the story is that i get busted for buying badTunes credits because i sent coins to the badTunes address? [20:56]
asciilifeform they... suborn your cook. who poisons you. blockchain - didn't help! cry? [20:56]
benkay yeah srs asciilifeform [20:56]
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fluffypony well we'll see, I think time will tell whether untraceability is a desirous thing [20:57]
benkay i'm telling you that it's adequately doable right now that the sidechannels are the real risk, and that no amount of blockchainery is going to ameliorate your sidechannel risks. [20:57]
benkay can someone who's not a retarded american tell me if i'm off my fucking rocker? [20:58]
benkay retarded american child [20:58]
benkay (i'm not calling you names, fluffypony - that's me ridiculing myself) [20:59]
fluffypony I know you weren't, I'd have been surprised if you thought I was American :-P [20:59]
benkay i'm a wee bit more observant than that. but you know, ambiguity and IRC. [20:59]
benkay ugh internet people [21:00]
benkay anyways [21:00]
danielpbarron how can law enforcement be sure it's you who spent the coins if you simply send them to an intermediate address first [21:00]
benkay (biscuit coma) [21:00]
fluffypony danielpbarron: taint analysis - it's the reason that coinjoin and mixing isn't considered safe [21:01]
benkay danielpbarron: or for that matter if the addr in question's never been seen on the network, and you're not idiotic enough to associate it with any IP that could be associated with you. [21:01]
benkay ugh taint [21:01]
benkay *ragequit* [21:01]
danielpbarron there is no taint in Bitcoin [21:01]
fluffypony [21:01]
fluffypony that would be a start [21:01]
assbot Bitcoin Coinjoin Not Anonymous v01 [21:01]
danielpbarron if i send funds to an address, you cannot be sure its my address; maybe i gave them away to a random address [21:02]
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fluffypony nobody's forcing anyone to find Monero interesting [21:03]
fluffypony if you like maths and cryptography you may find our ongoing peer review of the CryptoNote whitepaper interesting [21:03]
fluffypony [21:03]
danielpbarron if you pay your drug dealer from your coinbase wallet, that can be traced [21:04]
fluffypony I've gotta bounce, at a friend's house and we're going to go eat and drink [21:04]
danielpbarron and i suppose if you send from a machine that is associated with you, that could be traced [21:05]
danielpbarron but i don't see how the blockchain reveals any info that definitively associates the funds with you [21:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00080393 = 7.3158 BTC [+] {2} [21:12]
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penguirker New blog post: [21:21]
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kakobrekla ;;bc,diff [21:31]
gribble Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command. [21:31]
kakobrekla i forgot. [21:31]
mike_c ;;bc,stats [21:31]
gribble Current Blocks: 306867 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1580 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15544170485.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.46205 [21:31]
kakobrekla its been so long since i used that cmd. [21:31]
mike_c BingoBoingo: cancel the celebration party. [21:32]
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mircea_popescu ola! [21:46]
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mircea_popescu Mats_cd03: much shame upon family << srs. [22:03]
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moiety hello :] how are you mircea_popescu? [22:05]
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mircea_popescu pretty great. [22:06]
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mircea_popescu how about you ? [22:10]
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moiety very well, been snowed under but getting through everything :] [22:12]
mircea_popescu ah, snow... i remember this snow thing [22:14]
asciilifeform the circus performs: [22:14]
assbot CARISIRT: Yet Another BMC Vulnerability (And some added extras) | Blog [22:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (intel never once in its entire life published anything but a mockery of 'open source.' see their 'open' bios, for example.) << sadly. which is why everyone's on amd, really. [22:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol [22:15]
asciilifeform everyone's on amd << thought it was just me. [22:15]
asciilifeform lol [22:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i've not bought anything intel the past 20ish years. [22:16]
mircea_popescu roughly since the disatrous p1 math accelerator. [22:16]
* asciilifeform even now running amd hardware ('tyan' circa 2007) largely because amd mobos with ecc support and multiple pcie-16 slots have vanished into some mysterious black hole. [22:17]
moiety i'm still running intel celery because my laptop broke so back to an old one. it's dire! [22:17]
ThickAsThieves the redskins are very lucky actually [22:18]
ThickAsThieves the gov gave them an easy revival, rename, rebrand, cool new name and jerseys and fans [22:18]
ThickAsThieves other than the expense of the change, i bet it works out well [22:19]
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* asciilifeform utterly bewildered that 'serious' people are willing to use non-ecc ram. [22:19]
ThickAsThieves The Chicago Blackhawks declined to comment about the Washington Redskins' loss of trademark protection Wednesday [22:19]
ThickAsThieves hehe [22:20]
mircea_popescu they;re somehow in danger too ?! [22:20]
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ThickAsThieves of course [22:20]
mircea_popescu why ? [22:20]
ThickAsThieves soon we wont be allowed to say indian [22:20]
ThickAsThieves oh wait [22:20]
mircea_popescu but blackhawk ? nada a ver ? [22:20]
ThickAsThieves ;;google chicago blackhawks logo [22:21]
gribble Chicago Blackhawks: The Official Web Site: ; Desktop Wallpaper - Chicago Blackhawks - Fan Zone: ; Chicago Blackhawks Logos - National Hockey League (NHL) - Chris ...: [22:21]
ThickAsThieves there ya go [22:21]
ThickAsThieves just a happy lil injun [22:21]
mircea_popescu heh. [22:21]
mircea_popescu so after having their land stolen and later their population exterminated, [22:22]
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mircea_popescu indians are now going to be erased from written record and culture too [22:22]
mircea_popescu under the guise of "protection [22:22]
los_pantalones ah, excellent point [22:22]
ThickAsThieves all to spare the ego of Uncle Sam [22:23]
mircea_popescu peculiarly extensive implementation of damnatio memoriae srsly. [22:23]
asciilifeform ;;google jahiliyyah [22:23]
gribble Jahiliyyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Jahiliyyah - Oxford Islamic Studies Online: ; Use of the Word “Jahiliyyah” (Period of Ignorance) - [22:23]
ThickAsThieves they just renamed a school in Jacksonville [22:23]
ThickAsThieves cuz named after KKK wizard or such [22:23]
ThickAsThieves was a huge fight [22:24]
ThickAsThieves but a local rapper won eventually [22:24]
Blazedout419 Sad how overly sensitive the USA is these days [22:24]
ThickAsThieves interestingly, in a WoT/BTC/Mircean world, all bad things are permanent record [22:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: so gotta keep x86/winblows relevant somehow << can't imagine how that'd work. by now the stack is quite ample : x86 running windows to connect the owners of bitcents to reddit. [22:25]
mircea_popescu it's like... might as well consider the problems of the amiga universe. [22:26]
ThickAsThieves amiga is a good name for a universe [22:26]
mircea_popescu a defunct one. [22:26]
asciilifeform think how it would've went, if jack tramiel had bought himself a congresscritter or two [22:26]
mircea_popescu or if he just killed antonoderpulous. [22:27]
asciilifeform where was the latter in, say, '85 ? [22:27]
* asciilifeform confused [22:27]
ThickAsThieves so i've been getting lost in the world of day traders lately, found some google hangouts where people do screen shares and voice chat about charts, etc [22:27]
mircea_popescu idiots are perennial. [22:28]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves how's voice chat work ? [22:28]
ThickAsThieves i mentioned irc at one point, and someone asked, why dont you guys just use voice chat? [22:28]
ThickAsThieves which sparked my interest, maybe we should have an open line [22:28]
asciilifeform idiots still have bitcents remaining? thought they've been vacuumed up by now [22:28]
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ThickAsThieves they use Google Hangouts [22:29]
ThickAsThieves which works fine [22:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves because irc is non blocking. [22:29]
ThickAsThieves but you could do voice on Ventrilo or such [22:29]
mircea_popescu i can rant while you talk. [22:29]
mircea_popescu if we voice chatted it'd be like the bdsm brunch. [22:29]
ThickAsThieves just a thought [22:29]
mircea_popescu iirc someone made trilema rift guild a ventrilo [22:30]
mircea_popescu so it's already existent [22:30]
mircea_popescu dunno if it gets much use [22:30]
mircea_popescu no wait was a mumble [22:30]
ThickAsThieves it would by the raiders [22:30]
asciilifeform we should have an open line << what's it cost / who one needs to kill / etc. to get a shortwave channel? [22:30]
aabtc aegis agamemnon23 AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot atian Azelphur [22:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform to argentina, australia and everywherew ? [22:30]
asciilifeform 2 or 3 repeaters, sure. [22:31]
asciilifeform when solar flare, people will take break, get some wurk done. [22:31]
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ThickAsThieves google hangouts are recorded in 8 hour sessions too, and able to be live broadcasted on youtube, so we've had some dialogues and such as 'entertainment' [22:31]
ThickAsThieves anyway that's what ive been up to [22:31]
mircea_popescu by the way, re the intel thing and atari : in 1983, game consoles sold like 3bn dollars' worth (in 1983 dollars, like ten trillion today). by 1985, it was 100 mn (9x% drop) [22:32]
mircea_popescu these things DO happen [22:32]
asciilifeform the infamous desert burial [22:32]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so link one ? [22:32]
ThickAsThieves i'll have to get it from one of them next time [22:32]
asciilifeform (some fool dug up the site not long ago) [22:32]
mircea_popescu decimation: "you want to get paid? well, you better write your TPS reports in MS so we can give you tax dollars" << "yeah but how about you don't have tax dollars to give in the first place" [22:35]
mircea_popescu the displacement of which bitcoin is keystone is really pretty large. [22:35]
benkay i can't wait until my taxable dollar amount is negligible [22:36]
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mircea_popescu quick boobs [22:40]
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mircea_popescu moiety: << re this ? the first website on the whole internets to actually publish cables ? my blog. [22:42]
assbot Why didn't Julian Assange use PGP properly when handing over the US State Department cables.csv file to David Leigh ?? - WikiLeak [22:42]
mircea_popescu later that day wikileaks gave up and actually dumped it too. [22:43]
benkay boobs? [22:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: [22:45]
mircea_popescu 'More interestingly, many Americans no longer even understand the concepts of loyalty and treason?again, not surprising, since for a few generations now they have been ruled by traitors, whose routine acts of betrayal are designed to benefit just about anyone?from Israeli arms smugglers to Afghani heroin dealers?except the people who supposedly elect them to office.' << that's not the why. [22:45]
mircea_popescu the why is that for an entire generation now they've been trained to falsely believe that hierarchy is arbitrary and evil, that submission is against human nature and forcing the inferior to submit inhuman etc scl. [22:46]
mircea_popescu that system of crud makes loyalty logically impossible. [22:46]
benkay someone talked us into trading leadership for democracy, with predictable results. [22:47]
benkay i spent my early twenties looking for a man worth my loyalty and then gave up. [22:48]
mircea_popescu remarkable how much orlov gets wrong given how much he notices. [22:48]
benkay well, worth loyalty and capable of leading. [22:48]
mircea_popescu benkay and willing to, is the bitch. [22:48]
moiety interesting [22:50]
mircea_popescu this is actually not bad [22:51]
benkay yup. [22:51]
benkay not that i found any worth my time to begin with, so i don't even have a sample of potential masters to compare to each other. [22:53]
benkay this conversation just got mad gay. [22:53]
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mircea_popescu well since we're doing mad, lemme tell you a story. [22:54]
mircea_popescu i take girl to local bdsm brunch yesterday. bout fiddy local people, all very nice and friendly, some bar somewhere that you'd think you've died and it's greenwich village in 1980 all over again [22:54]
mircea_popescu there's this chick that looks just about 12 (and later confirmed her weight as 43 - !!! - kgs) that takes a liking to my girl, they chat, i buy them wine, [22:55]
mircea_popescu tells us all about how she's tried being a 2nd subbie in a relationship and it was ok but they ended it amiably and she's not looking for anything [22:56]
mircea_popescu meanwhile unattached in-their-own-oppinion dom guys tell me all about how alpha really they are, and then we leave. [22:56]
mircea_popescu with the kitten. who, mind you, gets up in a cab and drives away with two guys who are clearly foreigners, barely speak the language, and she's just met two hours prior in a bar at a bdsm munch. [22:57]
mircea_popescu past desperate attempts at cockblocking by the entire collected "alpha" population. apparently my chick's unstoppable and really fucking scary to boys. [22:57]
mircea_popescu so : there's seeking and then there's seeking. [22:58]
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benkay i also had nothing to bring to the table for those years. arguably still don't. [23:01]
mircea_popescu neither did she. i have more tit. [23:01]
mircea_popescu i mean, *I* have more tit. [23:01]
benkay but you're out shopping. [23:02]
mircea_popescu in spite of which she did everything all night long, i took her to breakfast and then dropped her off in the arms of her mothar. [23:02]
mircea_popescu i guess sort-of yeah, that's a point. [23:02]
benkay ha so my time for story [23:03]
mircea_popescu the gay just won't wash away :D [23:03]
benkay gotta pray it away [23:04]
mircea_popescu anyway, yes, please, by all means, even the story cunt a bit [23:04]
mircea_popescu im sick of reading nothing but my own stories in the logs [23:04]
benkay so last night i'm at the user group thing, making friends, introducing people to each other, the usual shit necessary to keep a user group's momentum up, and not one, not two but three people on whose skills and capabilities i've been sold for a while come up to me gently asking about opportunities to contract [23:05]
mircea_popescu cazalla: BingoBoingo: didn't you know that the biggest Australian export after resources are bitcoin scams? (, hair dresser ipos, kenilworth and on it goes) << i've often thought of this. add patrick harnett and a whole other bunch of new zealand folk [23:05]
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mircea_popescu benkay so you're like made. [23:06]
benkay separately, a local company'd killed off their division of programmers who work in this particular stack due to the 'difficulty' of finding them. several of these devs left their employers due to the boss' unwillingness to put steel behind the right technical decisions with clients. [23:07]
benkay and i'm sitting over here not exactly swimming in work but definitely a bit busy helping people who trust me to run the technical side of their businesses, and definitely overwhelmed by the talent seeking work with me. [23:08]
mircea_popescu so at this juncture you send the boss's boss a link to this log [23:08]
mircea_popescu seemingly you're the new boss. [23:08]
benkay wat [23:09]
benkay just 'cause their boys want to hack with me doesn't mean i get to tell their old firm what to do. [23:09]
mircea_popescu says who ? [23:09]
benkay well back up a sec - just what does that get me? [23:09]
benkay "neener neener i got yer best"? [23:10]
benkay where's the ROI? [23:10]
asciilifeform programmers << i thought benkay ran a machine shop ? [23:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Heretic coin seems dead <<< these people are so retarded it bleeds right off the page. on one hand derps wonder why nobody mines/cares about the coin, and hnt at conspiraci. on the other, guy trying to slel 3mn coins, no news in a month. GEE FUCK I WONDER WHY IT IS NOBODY MINES IT [23:10]
assbot [ANN][ALT][Altcoin][scrypt Adaptive N-factor][Random][Fair Launch][No ASIC] [23:10]
mircea_popescu benkay gotta give the boss' boss the opportunity to make his own mistake. [23:10]
mircea_popescu sane boss approached with this, if it can be documented, cans the underboss that same day. [23:10]
mircea_popescu and with extreme prejudice at that. [23:11]
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benkay asciilifeform: i had no intention of giving that impression. i'd love to own a machine shop but I need a pile more capital to make that happen. [23:11]
mircea_popescu "you dumb fuck, i have to hear from random passerby';s how utterly you suck at your job ? go fuck a goad in the market, you're never working in this line again" [23:11]
ThickAsThieves Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins? [23:11]
ThickAsThieves they seem to be Casascius kinda thing [23:12]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i never saw proof they scammed anyone, if that helps. [23:12]
ThickAsThieves ;;later tell nubbins [16:11] <+ThickAsThieves> Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins? [23:12]
gribble Error: "16:11" is not a valid command. [23:12]
benkay it's not that bad a move from their perspective, mircea_popescu. if they want to chase milli+ contracts that run only on .NET and POJ, that's a legit business move. [23:12]
ThickAsThieves oh ya [23:12]
mircea_popescu benkay a, i guess you leftthat part out. [23:12]
ThickAsThieves ;;later tell nubbins` [16:11] <+ThickAsThieves> Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins? [23:13]
gribble Error: "16:11" is not a valid command. [23:13]
mircea_popescu so then, maybe you're running the local bitter loser group, and the fleet sailed long ago. who's to know. [23:13]
benkay hey you think i leave details out of stories you should have seen fluffypony earlier [23:13]
ThickAsThieves ;;later tell nubbins` Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins? [23:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:13]
benkay mircea_popescu: i thought lispers were all bitter losers to begin with [23:13]
mircea_popescu muy true [23:14]
benkay but also i'm running a different, longer play. [23:14]
mircea_popescu arguably not as losers but bitterer than the other type o coders, but anyway [23:14]
benkay dat bedrock [23:14]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic: having a WoT account doesn't mean everything you write is signed << why not ? inasmuch as only you could have written it... [23:15]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: just phoned them - they'll increase my free limit to 30kgs << fuck them, assholes. seems all short distance is covered by this sort of low service "low cost" bs. [23:16]
asciilifeform provokes the question, what do the 'high end' folks do? fly own machine? [23:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform more often than you'd think. prices have really come down [23:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i live next to a field full of these things. the fellow i used to rent from owned one. about 40k usd. [23:18]
FabianB $traded [23:18]
empyex FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE [23:18]
mircea_popescu right ? sorta like a van [23:18]
asciilifeform ~what a nice car costs. but, the bureaucracy! [23:18]
mircea_popescu well, for one if you fly high enough you don't actually have to report [23:19]
asciilifeform wanna start the motor? fill out these here forms... [23:19]
mircea_popescu there' sa list of stuff [23:19]
asciilifeform related: [23:19]
asciilifeform ;;google joseph stack manifesto [23:19]
gribble Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: ; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: ; Plane Crash Suspect's Diatribe | The Smoking Gun: (1 more message) [23:19]
asciilifeform (summary: fellow worked a bunch of ancient software consulting gigs. owed $maxint in tax somehow. told that his little airplane would be sold to pay the debt. went spectacularly postal.) [23:20]
mircea_popescu i remember this, was years ago [23:21]
asciilifeform aye [23:21]
mircea_popescu or rehash ? [23:21]
mircea_popescu aok [23:21]
mthreat i saw that building after he hit it. It was the IRS building, and he targeted it on purpose [23:22]
asciilifeform no, just example of somebody who actually relied on a micro airplane for a living [23:22]
asciilifeform which was interesting, because 'tools of crafsman' are normally exempted from auction by creditors [23:22]
asciilifeform but (can't recall) either tax authorities are not limited in this way, or they ruled that the machine was not really 'tool of trade' [23:23]
mircea_popescu My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. [23:23]
mircea_popescu srsly, the notion that there exists such a thing as "plain language"... [23:23]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I'd love to have a voice channel, but I think it would work better if we scheduled it - like a session every two weeks or something? [23:24]
mike_c i think it's somewhat valid. plain = not a lot of jargon. [23:24]
mircea_popescu basically the problem of intelligent people is that the knowledge needed is so vast... i could readily render the pretense and nonsense of it, but i don't have the time/patience to hang out in every nook and cranny. [23:24]
mircea_popescu mike_c "plain language" is the conceptual equivalent of "measurement in se". how long is your desk ? [23:24]
mike_c it's about yea big [23:25]
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mircea_popescu so can i use the even-ness of the 129th digit in your measurement reliably ? [23:26]
mircea_popescu there's nothing plain about language just like a measurement isn't the thing measured. [23:26]
asciilifeform 'I have never seen unintelligent or children of average intelligence muster the intellectual power that causes them to believe their own mind to be better and more trustworthy than reality, although the enjoyment of every kind of magic and fairytales and mystic and wizardry is a sign that many _wish_ their minds were better than reality at a certain age. I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it i [23:26]
asciilifeform s and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your own mind at zero cost is better than what must be dug up fr [23:26]
asciilifeform om reality at great effort.' [23:26]
asciilifeform guess who [23:26]
mircea_popescu naggum ? [23:26]
asciilifeform (naggum, of course. [23:26]
assbot 404 Not Found [23:26]
asciilifeform stuff it arsebot, it's found. [23:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c and the "not a lot of jargon" thing is roughly like the vietnam forest without a lot of vietcong in it. [23:27]
mircea_popescu i'd be worried. [23:27]
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taub terpy teward thestringpuller ThickAsThieves toddf TomServo trinque trixisowned twizt tych0 Tykling [23:28]
samO samson_ Sebastan smidge so SomeoneWeird soulblade738 st4rbux starsoccer steven-__ Swadq [23:28]
mircea_popescu !up st4rbux [23:28]
-assbot- You voiced st4rbux for 30 minutes. [23:28]
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mike_c for sure, you can't speak about things intelligently with plain language. i can't tell you what's wrong with your computer in plain language. [23:28]
mike_c so i guess it's a euphimism for dumb language. [23:28]
mircea_popescu moreover, and more dangerously : a term of art that has a common speech homophone will only notify those in the know of its status [23:28]
mircea_popescu it's not going to (nor can it) notify the innocent. [23:28]
asciilifeform try explaining how to... tie a bowline sea knot - in 'plain language.' [23:29]
mircea_popescu i use the plainest language of anyone i'm aware of, and yet people claim you need a degree to argue with me. wtf is that all about. [23:30]
mike_c you can't. nor can you specify the tax code in plain language. [23:30]
mircea_popescu DO YOU LIEK SPEAK PLAIN ENGLISH ??! [23:30]
asciilifeform the most elegant example of the agony of 'plain language' is: attempts at computer programming systems which purported to use such. [23:30]
mircea_popescu good example yea [23:30]
mike_c it's a starting point, not an endpoint. [23:30]
asciilifeform consider: [23:30]
asciilifeform [23:30]
mircea_popescu my z80 keyboard had plain language on it : load, merge, save etc [23:31]
mircea_popescu it's great for humour this. "does your desk make your back hurt ? press backspace!" [23:31]
asciilifeform ^ even with manual, this 2-line script was a pain to write. logically equivalent phrases, all sum to nothing [23:31]
asciilifeform 'please press any key' - 'where is the any key' [23:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i hought you loved hypercard ? [23:32]
asciilifeform not the script lang [23:32]
mircea_popescu a a ya [23:32]
mircea_popescu nm [23:32]
asciilifeform it was made to torture sinners in an apple-themed hell [23:32]
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asciilifeform somehow, 'hypertalk' was well-liked by serious users. why? theory: it lured a bunch of folks who were 'on the right side of the camel's hump' to begin with - into learning elementary programming [23:33]
asciilifeform e.g. lawyers, accountants, builders - people who wouldn't have had any dealings with programming otherwise, and - by many accounts - haven't since. [23:34]
mircea_popescu In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each [23:34]
mircea_popescu other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. [23:34]
mircea_popescu for the record, had occasion to punish girly to cat food only diet for a week or so. [23:35]
mircea_popescu she hated that more than anything in memory. [23:35]
* asciilifeform recalls many stories of soviet emigres dining on delicious cat food upon arrival [23:36]
asciilifeform (it is not necessarily clear, to a man innocent of the concept of specially made feed for cats, why he should not dine on a can of tuna with a cat printed on the label) [23:37]
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asciilifeform incidentally, mr stack was a firmware builder. [23:42]
asciilifeform [23:42]
assbot Plane Crash Suspect's Online Diatribe | The Smoking Gun [23:42]
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asciilifeform probably could have gotten a slower, but more spectacular revenge. [23:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sheep never make good wolves. [23:43]
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* asciilifeform awaits the epic rampage of a future mr. heap. [23:43]
mircea_popescu the reason for that'd be that sheep never make good wolves in the first place. [23:43]
ThickAsThieves mp you made it!;topicseen#new [23:43]
assbot Hall of Shame Leaderboard/Awards: Vote for your Favorite Worst Crypto CEOs Ever! [23:43]
Azelphur asciilifeform: that site served me the wrong image the first time I loaded the confusing [23:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;google mircea popescu ceo [23:44]
gribble Mircea Popescu | LinkedIn: ; The SEC asked this Romanian Bitcoin CEO for private data. Here is ...: ; An era ends today. A new era starts today. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: [23:44]
Azelphur it served me a screenshot of a small businesses website that creates embedded art firmware/software [23:44]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: BITCOIN CEO [23:44]
Azelphur xD [23:44]
asciilifeform Azelphur: that was the correct photo [23:44]
mircea_popescu win. [23:44]
Azelphur asciilifeform: oh, then I'm confused [23:44]
asciilifeform Azelphur: it was run by one joseph stack, who crashed a small airplane into a tax authority office in 2010. [23:45]
Azelphur I see [23:45]
benkay i'm surprised MP didn't get more 'smooth talker' noms [23:46]
mircea_popescu i what ?! [23:46]
ThickAsThieves benkay consider they all think hanbot is mp [23:47]
mircea_popescu inexplicable why it's so easy for scammers on that forum. [23:48]
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ThickAsThieves "Same here. I think IQ is bullshit and is a way of the gevernments to bracket us. Qualifications are a load of crap too. Who need a piece of paper to tell people that they can create the next "E=MC Squared"." [23:51]
ThickAsThieves from Cryptsy trollbox [23:51]
ThickAsThieves "Crowdfunding has shown that ANYONE can create or innovate. Not just greedy corporations." [23:52]
ThickAsThieves same guy [23:52]
mircea_popescu a will to power as the only qualification ? [23:52]
los_pantalones have a good weekend ladies and germs [23:52]
mircea_popescu remarkable how similar the start and end of civilisation are. sorta like the start and end of man's life. [23:52]
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mircea_popescu is there any actual anything done via crowdfunding so far ? [23:53]
benkay oculus rift? [23:53]
mircea_popescu i don't mean nonsense gathering a pile of cash [23:53]
asciilifeform the ransom of 'blender' (cad package) ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu what's it do ? [23:53]
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ThickAsThieves some movies and games and shit [23:53]
mircea_popescu some gaming headset. meh. [23:53]
ThickAsThieves some accessories for phones n shit [23:53]
ThickAsThieves i got an NFC ring [23:54]
mircea_popescu so basically, for as long as other people cook, crowdfounding can continue to make the tomato roses. [23:54]
ThickAsThieves which i havent even tried yet [23:54]
mircea_popescu mike_c: ugh. shame on your family. << bitcoin-otc isn't really intended for https anyway is it. or am i missing your point ? [23:56]
mike_c my point was it is using cloudflare [23:56]
asciilifeform << my reply to a reader, some time ago, who asked 'why won't you use kickstarter' [23:57]
assbot Dear [redacted], [redacted] is, unfortunately, almost the polar opposite of t - [23:57]
mircea_popescu myeah. giving the site ot mr evil doesn't hurt anything on a plaintext site. [23:57]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: conveniently occurring just as the price topped << anything having taaki involkved and not being a scam ? [23:59]
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