Forum logs for 19 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00053396 = 9.3443 BTC [-]	[00:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120451 @ 0.00053395 = 64.3148 BTC [-] {2}	[00:22]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375773 << this is exactly how ups/fedex truck routing works, which is to say : no left turns because right is more efficient and fuck you meatrobot you should be thankful you have a job at all.	[00:50]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 20:38:15; ascii_butugychag: imagine if your car came with a list of all possible streets it can make left turns into	[00:50]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375776 << as previously discussed, the electric car is quite transparently this and almost entirely this. wanna travel more than 50mi ? o really ? and who are you visiting ? and what for ? and what time are they expecting you ? and do you have contact info for them ? etc.	[00:52]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 20:38:45; mircea_popescu: "you don't buy a car - you merely acquire the right to transport yourself according to the tos etc".	[00:52]
pete_dushenski	like flying el-al everyday. great. can't wait.	[00:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00053193 = 56.4378 BTC [+] {4}	[00:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00052432 = 42.6272 BTC [-] {5}	[01:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136876 @ 0.00051948 = 71.1043 BTC [-] {2}	[01:04]
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*	ben_vulpes just reread flycheck thread	[01:17]
ben_vulpes	lol asciilifeform thinks he labors in little gulag of horrors	[01:18]
ben_vulpes	imagine the lifestyle that makes life with flycheck less miserable than life /without/ flycheck	[01:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73852 @ 0.00052107 = 38.4821 BTC [+] {2}	[01:27]
phf	asciilifeform: you know they produced a whole series of those, f.el, dash.el, s.el. "modern"!	[01:30]
ben_vulpes	wasn't there some cl-in-elisp thinger?	[01:33]
ben_vulpes	s/was/is	[01:33]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375640 << bwahaha i completely missed this	[01:34]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 19:57:05; mod6: January the 18th 2014	[01:34]
ben_vulpes	at least i can update my blog	[01:35]
phf	there "was", there was a standard package (require 'cl) that various parties were trying to kill. stefan monnier spent his emacs maintainer tenure deprecating, and i think succeeded. now you're supposed to use cl-lib, to the point that elisp goes out of the way to not highlight various cl forms	[01:35]
phf	first -> cl-first, defstruct -> cl-defstruct, etc. shitgnomery	[01:36]
ben_vulpes	but that's just because elisp completely lacks namespacing facilities, phf, there couldn't possibly be any sour-grapes malice at work!	[01:37]
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phf	of course, what if things clash!! lets break 20 years of code, so that alice m. queerfem is not triggered by symbol clashes	[01:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65484 @ 0.00052545 = 34.4086 BTC [+] {2}	[01:43]
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phf	shitgnomes held an emacs conference, complete with code of conduct https://emacsconf.github.io/emacsconf2015/ , names on that page of projects and people are the usual suspects. organizers are sacha chua and john wiegley, who is the current emacs maintainer.	[01:49]
assbot	EmacsConf 2015 Planning Doc ... ( http://bit.ly/23bwPe0 )	[01:49]
phf	so in case anybody was under a false impression that emacs is going to remain a trusty engineer workhorse for much longer..	[01:51]
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thestringpuller	phf: i've used VIM since I learned linux. #VIM4lyfe	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	basically, "let's get all the people who aren;'t involved in X and this bothers them in a room together and see if we can fuck up x" is the standard for "us cultyure" anyway	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller can't really program in it.	[02:00]
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thestringpuller	it just takes more effort.	[02:03]
phf	thestringpuller: i've used vim from about 98 to 2002 and have no problems with it, but the whole vi vs emacs thing is silly. vi is a text editor, emacs is a lisp machine. there are some substitutes hemlock, mit scheme's edwin, climacs, but nothing with this much live ecosystem.	[02:04]
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thestringpuller	lol climacs. that's a good name.	[02:05]
thestringpuller	i may learn emacs one day just haven't had the motivation.	[02:05]
thestringpuller	espcially since I'm technically still learning VIM.	[02:06]
pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/KTVU/status/689236139681562629/photo/1 << presumably this is where you just run the nignogs over with your fucking car ? or am i missing something here. if "black health mattered" maybe they shouldn't be adding to the bay area congestions and smog.	[02:06]
pete_dushenski	in other public health news, http://gothamist.com/2016/01/16/finally_someone_built_a_public_boot.php?utm_source=Gothamist+Daily	[02:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.0005312 = 25.4445 BTC [+] {2}	[02:06]
assbot	Finally: A Public Masturbation Booth Just For Men!: Gothamist ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCA44j )	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	...	[02:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00051942 = 2.701 BTC [-] {2}	[02:10]
pete_dushenski	it's like a brothel for the 21st century	[02:11]
pete_dushenski	and for japan	[02:11]
pete_dushenski	ie. dead cultures and moribund civilisations	[02:11]
danielpbarron	>> Once in awhile I think maybe the jihadists should win. Sigh. New York values. >> They would just replace the booth with a goat.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	even goatfucking is reserved for actual men in islamistan.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	impudent cocklets and assorted socialmediacs get to stfu.	[02:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00053121 = 49.2432 BTC [+]	[02:16]
phf	jurov: [...] now i'm curious what gpg does here << gnugp avoids the first two issues, data exchange happens through own custom buffer mechanism (fixed size and wiped at earliest possible point after each use, with afaik necessary bits to prevent caching to disk, etc.) and openpgp "packets" come with 3 byte headers, that describe the type and the size of the payload.	[02:23]
phf	i know ascii doesn't like the code, but it's a lot more competent than openssh	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	"Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 9_2 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/601.1.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/13C75 [FBAN/FBIOS;FBAV/46.0.0.54.156;FBBV/18972819;FBDV/iPhone6,1;FBMD/iPhone;FBSN/iPhone OS;FBSV/9.2;FBSS/2; FBCR/AT&T;FBID/phone;FBLC/en_US;FBOP/5]"	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	holy shit they leak a lot of info	[02:27]
phf	jurov: i've been playing with the gossipd PoC, and it's entirely possible to get a gnupg packet from the wire, defensively, byte at a time, and know at any point how much more you need to get.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	even do bounds checking on the byte half the time	[02:29]
thestringpuller	https://medium.com/@bendavenport/the-bitcoin-block-size-listen-to-the-market-de9ef6607da5#.6l3uh82x8 << d00ds stealing ideas from assets and republishing on medium. "herp derp I'm so smart. I read the logs and am going to post on medium"	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/meatsong.htm << hey we have this in common, i also like carnivorous plants.	[02:35]
assbot	MEATSONG ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQsYzy )	[02:35]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: same ben davenport as http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/14/first-largest-bestest-ever-in-the-us/	[02:36]
assbot	First! Largest! Bestest! Ever! …In The US \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQt0r3 )	[02:36]
pete_dushenski	mr. "largest raise in fiat by someone i know"	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	dude looks like a shoe salesman.	[02:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00053121 = 27.5167 BTC [+]	[02:37]
pete_dushenski	were it not for 'tech' he'd prolly be just that	[02:37]
pete_dushenski	wasn't he involved with the vessenes phoundation too ? or am i mixing him up with another beige derp	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	in other news i emailed the falkvinge dood an interview invite. curious if he gets it together eventually.	[02:39]
pete_dushenski	o.O ben davenport is "Co-founder & CTO at @BitGo. Co-founder of @Beluga. Running Bitcoin syndicate on AngelList."	[02:40]
pete_dushenski	what happened to mike belshe, one wonders ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/09/bitgo-multisig-a-stranger-his-friend-and-you/	[02:41]
assbot	BitGo Multisig: A Stranger, His Friend, and You \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQts8M )	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	what was bitgo supposed to do anyway ? i forget.	[02:44]
thestringpuller	they do sakurity	[02:45]
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thestringpuller	^-oh no trinque aws is being toolbags again	[02:45]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: multisig webwallets	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	heh mkay.	[02:46]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: they have super secure bitcoin wallets that never get hacked!1111 moar sakure than mpex!!!!!111	[02:46]
thestringpuller	clients include: bitstamp (nuff said?)	[02:46]
pete_dushenski	bitgo also does a fair bit of rubber stamped security.	[02:46]
pete_dushenski	^	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	hey danielpbarron ask twitter.com/avflox if she doesn't wanna write for qntra ?	[02:47]
danielpbarron	done	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	danke	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	lol BingoBoingo is having a slow news day.	[02:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91800 @ 0.00053121 = 48.7651 BTC [+]	[03:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00052719 = 33.4766 BTC [-] {2}	[03:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174800 @ 0.00052719 = 92.1528 BTC [-] {2}	[03:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105750 @ 0.00053121 = 56.1755 BTC [+]	[03:28]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/19/eizo-ev2455-bk-unboxing/ << as hard to believe as this may be, this was in the works ~before~ mircea_popescu published his computer pics post today. i swear, you guys. you gotta believe me. I'M NOT MINI-MP OMGAWD.	[03:29]
assbot	EIZO EV2455-BK unboxing \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/20aZnBQ )	[03:29]
*	pete_dushenski ni ni	[03:30]
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thestringpuller	lol i prefer projectors.	[03:30]
pete_dushenski	also working on belated hearn eulogy and trb history part ii this week.	[03:31]
pete_dushenski	both of which, yes, were started days ago. mp just parallel processes better, making it ~look~ like he's quicker to the punch.	[03:32]
pete_dushenski	he also doesn't have infant crying next to computer. alas... the comparison really breaks down quickly, doesn't it.	[03:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96925 @ 0.00053121 = 51.4875 BTC [+]	[03:38]
phf	huh can't download shit from dropbox using links. "this video requires adobe flash player"	[03:41]
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BingoBoingo	lol BingoBoingo is having a slow news day. << So slow I went to bed early	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	... << d00ds stealing ideas from assets and republishing on medium. "herp derp I'm so smart. I read the logs and am going to post on medium" << Many, many more of these	[03:46]
BingoBoingo	he also doesn't have infant crying next to computer. alas... the comparison really breaks down quickly, doesn't it. << Well, now it does.	[03:52]
*	BingoBoingo though waits for pete's piece on the glory of wetnurses	[03:53]
BingoBoingo	Undoubtably to be unveiled on Contravex with a post title "Meet the Wet Nurses Volume 1: Elin and Gisele"	[03:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00053402 = 25.5796 BTC [+] {2}	[04:02]
phf	complete with a mandatory opening panorama shot of a merc 280sel pulling up to a mansion	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	^	[04:05]
BingoBoingo	Who knows? Maybe by Child 9 pete acquires a G Wagon for the roads or lack thereof?	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[04:09]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 384.61, vol: 6678.13639591 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.596, vol: 7050.93892 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 384.54, vol: 15978.57433837 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 2.05192602 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 387.439178, vol: 43660.24560000 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 388.35225, vol: 57.68452551 \| Volume-weighted last average: 386.470102243	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[04:09]
gribble	Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	Dragonfly problem https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Drosera_anglica_ne2.jpg	[04:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1nhhPea )	[04:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.00053076 = 29.1122 BTC [-] {2}	[04:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00053403 = 28.7842 BTC [+]	[04:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163870 @ 0.00052503 = 86.0367 BTC [-] {5}	[04:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143500 @ 0.00053403 = 76.6333 BTC [+]	[05:36]
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punkman	twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone	[06:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90600 @ 0.00053418 = 48.3967 BTC [+] {2}	[06:09]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375937 << if only more webdevs said that, mebbe we wouldn't be in current situation.	[06:10]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 21:18:53; trinque: and "fuck you I wont work on this shit" passes for a guy moving rectangles around in a web browser.	[06:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 621 @ 0.00280753 = 1.7435 BTC [+]	[06:15]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375888 << carrying small mini/micro-atx box sounds like a better deal than half-working laptop. though I suppose it doesn't work during train commute.	[06:20]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 21:08:37; ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: there is no escape from portable.	[06:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97330 @ 0.00053465 = 52.0375 BTC [+] {3}	[06:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107350 @ 0.00053392 = 57.3163 BTC [-] {2}	[07:11]
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punkman	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35344843	[07:16]
assbot	Government urged to use Bitcoin-style digital ledgers - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnHDvd )	[07:16]
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BingoBoingo	!up cazalla	[07:17]
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cazalla	ah, thanks BingoBoingo! just came to say happy martin luther kang day! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8MOwGcJ2A	[07:18]
assbot	IT'S MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY CHARLIE BROWN! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnHN5J )	[07:18]
BingoBoingo	lol	[07:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145257 @ 0.00053289 = 77.406 BTC [-] {4}	[07:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175080 @ 0.00053563 = 93.7781 BTC [+] {4}	[07:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252567 @ 0.00053754 = 135.7649 BTC [+] {5}	[07:33]
cazalla	everyones asleep at this time eh	[07:33]
cazalla	vexual still come around?	[07:33]
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adlai	cazalla: how's life without the IRC-IV?	[07:39]
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cazalla	well, i still skim the logs and follow some of the conversation, but it's nice to have a break from following every line	[07:41]
cazalla	it's still a good idea for newcomers, but having done my year of reading, there are some topics on which i already know what the general opinion of it will be from here, and i guess that is the benefit of having done the reading for such a length of time	[07:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50550 @ 0.00053051 = 26.8173 BTC [-] {2}	[07:44]
adlai	have you pressed & rotorated a proper turd yet?	[07:45]
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cazalla	no, i tried maybe 6 months back but came up short	[07:47]
adlai	trinque has put together a makefile which streamlines part of the process, you may want to try again	[07:47]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2016#1375090	[07:48]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks.	[07:48]
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adlai	!up cazalla	[07:48]
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cazalla	thanks, i'll take a look	[07:49]
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cazalla	night all	[08:00]
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punkman	oh man, some asshole run the stop sign outside my house again, hit delivery guy with motorcycle	[08:01]
punkman	poor guy got thrown like 5-10 meters away	[08:02]
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jurov	lol dat monitor porn. crappy lg with visible burnout spots of backlight tubes here :D	[08:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205500 @ 0.00054045 = 111.0625 BTC [+] {5}	[08:34]
jurov	what one ends up trying to not eat the equity...	[08:36]
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jurov	*ends up with	[08:37]
punkman	jurov, new LG is like 100eur though	[08:37]
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punkman	those eizo prices http://www.amazon.com/FlexScan-EV2730QFX-Monitor-1920x1920-EV2730QFX-BK/dp/B00R58MLSY	[08:49]
assbot	Amazon.com: EIZO FlexScan EV2730QFX 26.5" Square IPS Monitor 1920x1920 (EV2730QFX-BK): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqtKSH )	[08:49]
punkman	and it doesn't even have hdmi port	[08:50]
punkman	http://www.evilsocket.net/2016/01/18/autopwn-every-android-device-on-your-network-using-bettercap-the-and-addjavascriptinterface-vulnerability/	[08:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1nvigBk )	[08:55]
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mircea_popescu	* BingoBoingo though waits for pete's piece on the glory of wetnurses << http://40.media.tumblr.com/5751439f7ed33505f6853ae43c319816/tumblr_n8q9vlx4Df1rx1nxro1_1280.jpg	[08:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1nvixnT )	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	phf> complete with a mandatory opening panorama shot of a merc 280sel pulling up to a mansion << somebody's done his blutjunge verfuhrerinnen & assorted swiss cinematography studies huh.	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	punkman> twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone << wait wut ?!	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets.	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	cazalla> no, i tried maybe 6 months back but came up short << lotta changed since then. for one thing, it now works.	[09:02]
adlai	even "israil" has outlets in cabins... one at each end >_<	[09:09]
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mircea_popescu	lol israel sounds so much like a sort of romania, trying to emulate all the refinement and civilalalili of turkey from the other end...	[09:11]
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shinohai	mornin #b-a	[09:21]
adlai	!t m s.mpoe	[09:21]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00050896 / 0.0005319 / 0.00054357 (4033643 shares, 2,145.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0004914 / 0.00052001 / 0.00054357 (7675391 shares, 3,991.34 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00050494 / 0.00054357 (55733584 shares, 28,142.60 BTC)	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, hey asciilifeform ever read http://trilema.com/2012/blutjunge-verfuhrerinnen/ ? :D	[09:24]
assbot	Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nvlkgV )	[09:24]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: l0l yes	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	a!	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	ima stop doing this apparently you read 'em all.	[09:25]
asciilifeform	not all.	[09:25]
asciilifeform	not yet.	[09:25]
punkman	mircea_popescu: punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets. << perhaps if you stick a small lcd on atx box and carry a small keyboard/trackpad combo.	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	good, save one or two or you might provoke the murderous rage of my mother.	[09:26]
asciilifeform	;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? the 120dpi 2008-era-panel-but-made-2016-cheapo-6bit-dac ones ?	[09:26]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	punkman or you could go all out on murderous rage, place the box in the luggage space overhead, and dangle a monitor from there by mr bean's sock.	[09:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111100 @ 0.00053619 = 59.5707 BTC [+]	[09:27]
punkman	mhmm	[09:27]
punkman	asciilifeform: does eizo do the 6bit thing?	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	actually, this would fucking kill - barely functioning deeply retarded webgeek comedy.	[09:27]
asciilifeform	punkman: pretty sure that it's begun to.	[09:28]
asciilifeform	punkman: i have a 'modern' one here in this array and it does not 6bit, but ~does~ pwm flicker	[09:28]
shinohai	I was sure I would be synced this morning but these last 1k blocks are slooooow.	[09:28]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376481 << where's that? tokyo ?	[09:29]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 12:00:06; mircea_popescu: punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets.	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	yurp	[09:29]
punkman	I also saw a monitor advertised as 10bit, and then noticed "actually only 8bit" in the small print. not sure if this was in the logs, but quite outrageous.	[09:29]
asciilifeform	in usa, ~some~ LONG-range (e.g., dc to boston) have'em	[09:29]
asciilifeform	but certainly not city subways	[09:29]
asciilifeform	punkman: it is absolutely SOP. normally the extra bits are only available for the gamma corrector, as the link to the panel is strictly 8 per channel	[09:30]
asciilifeform	thinkaboutit	[09:30]
mircea_popescu	last i visited die berliner Huren there were 3 plugs per 2 seat isle	[09:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: neato	[09:30]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376472 << it's a so-so panel, you're paying for the form factor (iirc the squares are used in airport control)	[09:31]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 11:48:08; punkman: those eizo prices http://www.amazon.com/FlexScan-EV2730QFX-Monitor-1920x1920-EV2730QFX-BK/dp/B00R58MLSY	[09:31]
punkman	I'd rather buy 10 LGs for that price	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	"Why four $800 monitors ? Mostly because I’m not a poorfag" << - >> ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? << lol i'm sure he'll be thrilled to hear.	[09:33]
asciilifeform	hey if they work for him...	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P1180684-1024x768.jpg << check it out, he propped them up on bricks of canadian money.	[09:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1nvmpoV )	[09:35]
asciilifeform	the 'poor' eizos still beat the living shit out of everything you see in a konsooomer electronics shop	[09:35]
asciilifeform	incl. crapple	[09:35]
punkman	I don't think I can tell 6bit/crappy-PWM monitors apart from the better ones	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, i like the arrangement, ostensibly every window in the backroom opens into a small cell populated by one nude houri ?	[09:36]
asciilifeform	punkman: some people (incl. me) can SEE the dither buzz	[09:36]
jurov	punkman surely not new 1920x1200	[09:36]
asciilifeform	it VISIBLY FLICKERS	[09:36]
punkman	jurov: 1920x1080, new	[09:36]
asciilifeform	the main problem with the cheap eizos is the not-nearly-enough-pixels thing, imho	[09:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123725 @ 0.00054495 = 67.4239 BTC [+] {3}	[09:37]
punkman	not paying a premium for 120 extra pixels	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	hey, some people edit pr0nz for a living. they have to do it on mobile workstation as well as at home and that sixth-inch clitoral hood HASTOLOOKGOOD!!11	[09:38]
jurov	i plan upgrade to Philips BDM4065UC 4K soon anyway	[09:39]
asciilifeform	jurov: ever see the '5k' panels ?	[09:39]
jurov	no?	[09:40]
asciilifeform	there are already several vendors supplying these	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	ie 5k pixels wide ?	[09:40]
asciilifeform	but i don't have one, it is my understanding that you cannot drive it with a fanless gpu	[09:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha	[09:40]
jurov	i know so far. but they are either 28" or $$$ + new gpu in either case	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	the last time i had a fanless gpu most of the girls i know today were still virgins omaigerd.	[09:41]
asciilifeform	i will NOT use a fanned gpu.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	...	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	why use a fanned cpu ?	[09:41]
asciilifeform	i'd throw those out also if i could.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	...	[09:41]
asciilifeform	fucking hate the noise.	[09:42]
asciilifeform	always hated it.	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	so build one of those submerged rig things.	[09:42]
punkman	40" inch for 3840 x 2160 sounds a bit big	[09:42]
asciilifeform	(iirc this is in the logz) i DID experiment with water, for years	[09:42]
asciilifeform	just to reduce noise	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	what water, are you a poorfag ? oil.	[09:43]
asciilifeform	punkman: seems like you are describing a tv set ?	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	OLIVE OIL!	[09:43]
jurov	punkman: i have inherited a working table from grandpa that allows me to have the monitor 1m away	[09:43]
punkman	asciilifeform: jurov's Philips	[09:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89395 @ 0.00055004 = 49.1708 BTC [+] {6}	[09:43]
asciilifeform	i bet mircea_popescu submerges in fluorinert	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	lmao when we started, computers plugged into the tv. and after 20 years spent spinning in the desert, as we age computers plug into the... tv.	[09:43]
jurov	s/table/desk/	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	jurov i also have a 100sq ft desk. pretty cool/	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	someone else's grandpa tho	[09:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34341 @ 0.00055012 = 18.8917 BTC [+] {2}	[09:44]
shinohai	I wonder if I could sell olive-oil cooled computers. Market the oil as being trampled at precise temperatures under the feet of certifiable virgins. Increases the cooling properties.	[09:44]
asciilifeform	anyway submerging is nontrivial (electrolytic caps soak up your coolant and bloat, then burst) and you can also forget about repairs or upgrade	[09:44]
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asciilifeform	likewise submerged cooling works great for, e.g., mains transformer outdoors, but for 'point source' of heat like cpu, requires circulation pumps, which... noise	[09:45]
asciilifeform	i considered it, yes	[09:45]
asciilifeform	a decade ago, even.	[09:45]
asciilifeform	it worked ok for cray because he ~designed for it~	[09:46]
asciilifeform	pc crapola - isn't.	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	you can for one thing use convection.	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	shinohai olive oil is actually not terrible for this role. just, prohibitively expensive.	[09:47]
asciilifeform	electrolytic caps soak, burst	[09:47]
asciilifeform	what part of this is unclear.	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	you caulk them.	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	superglue all the things.	[09:47]
asciilifeform	go, caulk the 2mm ones, aha.	[09:47]
asciilifeform	i'll wait.	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	THEN submerge them in pesto.	[09:47]
asciilifeform	something like 400 of them on my mb alone	[09:48]
asciilifeform	and in what liquid are we to drown the spinning hdds ?	[09:48]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just pour some caulk on the upface of the mobo, let it be.	[09:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: caulk does not thermoconduct well.	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	get silvercaulk :D	[09:48]
asciilifeform	the other thing that you will find, if you do this, is that... the parasitic capacitance nails you.	[09:48]
asciilifeform	recall permeattivity ?	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	no, because see, olive oil.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	this is why it's good.	[09:49]
asciilifeform	dielectric constant of $liquid differs from that of air.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	;;google dielectric constant of extra virgin olive oil	[09:49]
gribble	DIELECTRIC CONSTANT AND INDUCED DIPOLE ... - ResearchGate: ; Chemical Characteristics \| The Olive Oil Source: ; Chemical composition of olive oil - Clackline Valley Olives: (1 more message)	[09:49]
asciilifeform	srsly, go try it. drown one of your pogos.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	why r u so mediocre google.	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	The dielectric loss was low (<0.01), except for virgin olive oil with a value of 0.05.	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	ha-HA!	[09:50]
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mircea_popescu	nah, it has to be sealed. it's inert if it can't oxidate.	[09:51]
jurov	what about virgin tears?	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	those are lubricants not coolants.	[09:51]
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jurov	oh, these for hdd then	[09:52]
shinohai	on pogo, the hdd is the only thing that ever seems to get hot.	[09:52]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376546 < get better fans and larger hs - i have done this, cant tell if machine is even running by noise	[09:53]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 12:40:06; asciilifeform: i will NOT use a fanned gpu.	[09:53]
mircea_popescu	technically that's not even on pogo	[09:53]
asciilifeform	at any rate, the actual 'non-poorfag' thing... exists. it is a copper hedgehog, looks a little like a substation transformer, with MACHINED cavity to mount the mb, cpu, hdd in. 100% convection.	[09:53]
asciilifeform	but we're talking about half a tonne of cu.	[09:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no we're not. the OTHER thing you can do is plug one of the ends of those heat inverter units into it. whatever the fuck they call them.	[09:53]
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asciilifeform	afaik this was never ~commercially~ available, there was - briefly - an aluminum thing from zalman	[09:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mno. condensation. koolance corp. made this, it sucked balls	[09:54]
asciilifeform	1990s.	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	you need to stop living in a swamp at some point.	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	also, they don't have to get below fog point.	[09:54]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you are breathing in the room, there is water.	[09:54]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: ANY FAN is audible and therefore too loud.	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	yes but there's also thermodynamic equilibrium. you only get liquid phase condensation in some cases on the curve.	[09:55]
asciilifeform	the other thing is that peltiers are laughably inefficient, and you are then stuck trying to cool the hot end	[09:55]
kakobrekla	not at my 200rpm	[09:55]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: you've just confessed to having poor hearing	[09:56]
kakobrekla	and isolated case	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla he has bat hearing, which is why he can feed himself on mosquitoes in the dark.	[09:56]
asciilifeform	i can hear a laptop fan, a room away.	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	should he ever need to.	[09:56]
asciilifeform	pet says i did not go to enough 'concerts'	[09:56]
kakobrekla	laptop fans arent silent	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	i can hear the thinkpad.	[09:57]
asciilifeform	silent fan is a lulzy contradiction in terms	[09:57]
asciilifeform	the motherfucking air is MOVING	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	i could faintly hear it, then i had it cleaned for my sins, now i can distinctly hear it.	[09:57]
asciilifeform	ever hear of turbulence ?	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	but hey, at least it cools better.	[09:57]
kakobrekla	at 200 rpm the only thing you can hear is bad bearings	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sooner or later you'll have to face the fact that the turbulence other people get isn't like the turbulence you get.	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	like in those cartoon "rain cloud 2x2 follows guy around"	[09:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i get quite a bit, i use boards with >1 cpu socket even	[09:58]
kakobrekla	and i have done away with bad bearings	[09:58]
kakobrekla	it did cost a fortune but hey	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla if i recall the calculations correctly the principal harmonic should be ~285 hz if you 200rpm	[09:58]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: i have fluid bearing fans here, can hear them just fine	[09:59]
mircea_popescu	i doubt he can hear below 15khz or so	[09:59]
kakobrekla	not all are same	[09:59]
asciilifeform	also opterons run hot.	[09:59]
asciilifeform	you won't get away with 200 rpm.	[09:59]
kakobrekla	thats another problem	[09:59]
asciilifeform	2 x 150w each.	[10:00]
asciilifeform	(peak)	[10:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47403 @ 0.0005847 = 27.7165 BTC [-]	[10:00]
kakobrekla	my psu doesnt even run a fan	[10:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55664 @ 0.00056072 = 31.2119 BTC [-]	[10:01]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: 'fanless' ps typically relies on there being airflow from cpu+case fans	[10:02]
asciilifeform	(try and take one, run under 100% load on a bench with no flow, on a hot summer day)	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	it occurs to me, you could just get some of that aluminum foil flexible tubing stuff, plug the case in and have the vented done in the other room.	[10:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is louder still	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	well no, you serpentine the tube.	[10:03]
asciilifeform	the correct recipe when one has other rooms is to run the displays over fiber	[10:03]
asciilifeform	and have the machine far, far away.	[10:03]
asciilifeform	as symbolics did	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	also this.	[10:04]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform it has a fan it just doesnt run it	[10:04]
asciilifeform	(the thing sounds like an airplane, literally)	[10:04]
kakobrekla	so its not fanless.	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	put the big iron in the basement. check it out, BingoBoingo vax lives!	[10:04]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: i run at 90-100% load on a typical day	[10:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i've intended to do this for 15 years, but it requires a dwelling with multiple stories	[10:04]
kakobrekla	get a bigger one and it will run at lower relative load :)	[10:05]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: if pc ps came in 20kW, i would...	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	for the record, sed 's/<[^>]*//g' takes just about 1k seconds to purge a 6gb pile of webcrud into 1.5gb of pressed juice.	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you got no basement ? i thought you had a house not flat	[10:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it is a flat house.	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	o wait, swamp.	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean "flat house"	[10:06]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: the basic problem is that there are no miracles, semiconductors have a temperature ceiling, the heat has to leave as quickly as it appears, or meltdown	[10:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 1 level	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	but it's a house, no ? it necessarily has a roof	[10:06]
asciilifeform	aha	[10:07]
kakobrekla	very high efficiency helps	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	so you got an attic.	[10:07]
asciilifeform	has an attic, which is entirely unsuitable for electronics	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	whyssat ?	[10:07]
asciilifeform	(boiling hot in the summer, mega-condensation in the winter, not hermetically sealed either)	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	bwahahah	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	us technologee ?	[10:07]
asciilifeform	understand, attics exist for insulation	[10:07]
asciilifeform	so a properly-constructed one would be ~worse~ place to park cpu	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	depends whose. but anyway - you hopefully rent this sad hovel, not own it	[10:08]
asciilifeform	i don't 'own' anything	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	get a properly made house.	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	pro tip : cured meats as well as grains used to be stored there.	[10:08]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-06-2015#1157053	[10:09]
assbot	Logged on 08-06-2015 04:27:15; asciilifeform: i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately'	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	what mortgage.	[10:09]
asciilifeform	well i assumed that's what mircea_popescu meant by 'own'. that's how poorfags in usaschwitz 'own' houses.	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	so have more money.	[10:09]
asciilifeform	i'm not sure i'd even use computers if i had Moar Money (tm) (r)	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	i think ima have this printed on cards. universal solution.	[10:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: cards have 2 sides! one side shows recipe A: broomstick	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know i actually did the same thing ? mid 90s to mid 00s, i didn't evne own one.	[10:10]
asciilifeform	other, B: 'have some money'	[10:10]
asciilifeform	anyway none of the thermal problems are a thing on a dirigible, which comes with free airflow.	[10:12]
asciilifeform	so mircea_popescu does not need any of this.	[10:12]
asciilifeform	and i wouldn't either, if had 'moar money'	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	actually, i don't really give a shit about fan noise, not while im awake at any rate.	[10:12]
asciilifeform	as it is, i'll bbl, gotta go slowly die in a box for a while	[10:13]
*	asciilifeform bbl	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	i prolly also run cheaper, shittier monitors than all of you, and in general... i'm just a more modest fellow!	[10:13]
jurov	mine is shittier	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[10:18]
jurov	:D	[10:18]
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jurov	in other news, http://i.imgur.com/YKlprg0.gif	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	lol cute.	[10:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29636 @ 0.00055729 = 16.5158 BTC [-]	[10:29]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376480 << ah just noticed all of twitter is borked	[10:30]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 11:59:39; mircea_popescu: punkman> twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone << wait wut ?!	[10:30]
punkman	and now it works, weird	[10:31]
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adlai	danielpbarron, Luke-Jr, and/or any other scripture scholars... is there no good commentary in the entire internet for Mat16:18 !?	[10:38]
jurov	!up Luke-Jr	[10:39]
*	assbot gives voice to Luke-Jr	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	only one of the most commented bits in all the scripture ?	[10:39]
adlai	thus, 'good'	[10:39]
PeterL	seems to be well covered in sereval different directions	[10:40]
*	adlai not being much of a scripture expert, seeks commentary on the commentaries...	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	ah.	[10:40]
PeterL	there seems to be a question as to the antecedent of "this rock" as to whether it referes to Peter or the previous verse	[10:40]
*	adlai notes, as a humorous aside, that someday there needs to be a rock-off between PeterL and PeterR	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	www.studibiblici.it/.../Mt%2016,13-20%20-%20Solemnitatea%20Sf.%20Ap. %20Petru%20si%20Paul%2029%20iunie%202014.pdf www.crestinortodox.ro/.../primatul-sfantului-petru-studiu-contrast-148637. html	[10:42]
PeterL	whois PeterR?	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	lol no idea ? your isomer ?	[10:43]
PeterL	oh, whoosh	[10:43]
adlai	"there are always two"... master mike leaves the sith order for the private sector, so a new apprentice appears.	[10:43]
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adlai	Peter Rizun, Managing Editor of http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger and concern-troll-extraordinaire ( https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/search/?q=PeterR )	[10:46]
assbot	Ledger ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU9HYM )	[10:46]
assbot	IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards \| BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbjdZ7 )	[10:46]
adlai	er better link, http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger/about/editorialTeam	[10:46]
assbot	Editorial Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbjfjB )	[10:46]
adlai	i'd invite him here but that would just be too confusing what with the diastereomerality	[10:47]
jurov	make sure you show him in polarized light	[10:47]
*	adlai is never unbiased! objectivity is for news-papers and block-chains	[10:48]
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mircea_popescu	really, there's little point in inviting known derps. if all the dude ever did was you know, trying to find a pretext outside to talk about himself, he really belongs on myspace or whatever, not here.	[10:49]
adlai	in other lols, it looks like m'tooms has also picked up the dope: http://pastebin.com/raw/DPPs7qtc	[10:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1nvu4Ug )	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	lol BingoBoingo ^ plox to or actually...	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	anyone wanna do a qntra ?	[10:52]
*	adlai has done enough noise for today, goes back to signal generation	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	"anduck [10:05 PM] it certainly looks like bitcoin classic wants everything made for them, under their control, on their platforms. that's not how it works" << BUT ITS NOT FAIR!!1	[10:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89808 @ 0.00057199 = 51.3693 BTC [+] {2}	[11:16]
punkman	^_^	[11:24]
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mircea_popescu	holy shit.	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	grep: (standard input): Cannot allocate memory << meanwhile sed just fails silently (prolly same issue)	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=185208 << exactly this.	[11:40]
assbot	#185208 - grep: very large file with no newline causes trouble - Debian Bug report logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD7X4R )	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck wrote grep so it NEEDS newlines ?	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	"Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:32:59 -0400 We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of grep" fixed my foot.	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	nothing fucking works. ffs.	[11:42]
copypaste	mircea_popescu I guess if that works. Afaik /b/ is actually logged and publicly accessible.	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[11:43]
copypaste	I'm quoting a trilema article for the purposes of commentary	[11:43]
copypaste	If you give me a few minutes I'll get to the commentary :)	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	ok but you gotta quote better. like with quotes and source.	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	otherwise how am i to know	[11:43]
copypaste	http://trilema.com/2014/the-irc-world-is-a-big-but-very-flat-place/	[11:44]
assbot	The irc world is a big but very flat place. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/23cg5mQ )	[11:44]
copypaste	I was getting to that too :D	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	lolk.	[11:44]
copypaste	Anywho, /b/ is archived by many third parties, but the archive sites have a maximum lifetime of 18 months. After that time, an all encompassing archive always fails.	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	archive.is has been around for a few years now for instance	[11:45]
jurov	nice how the ethereal ideal of "text" that can't be falsified in any conceivable system meets reality	[11:45]
copypaste	There are many reasons. Perhaps DMCA notices, perhaps the size of the archived content is too much for the derp running it to maintain, perhaps the guy running it just doesn't want to	[11:45]
copypaste	Ah ha, but archive.is is not just for /b/, and it doesn't strive to archive everything, only requested things.	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	jurov dude, srsly. for one thing, the file is 1.5gb, the available ram 4x that. EVEN IF IT READ IT AS A SINGLE LINE it should work.	[11:46]
copypaste	So archive.is's view of /b/ is not comparable to the #b-a log, which represents everything	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	but people can't fucking code.	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	copypaste true.	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	honestly, chans have to be toilet paper, who the hell is going to waste the bw/hdds for it otherwise.	[11:46]
copypaste	Indeed, I came to that conclusion independently	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	however... a wot-based chan, now that may be interesting.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	you could technically run a chan off v.	[11:47]
copypaste	How could it work?	[11:47]
copypaste	I could help make one if you have an idea	[11:47]
copypaste	Would it still be anonymous ?	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	well, you could go two ways with it. one'd be, subscription driven, like a sort of twitter. one can see any content of people whose sigils they imported and nothing else.	[11:48]
copypaste	I don't understand how anonymity and the WoT could intersect in a meaningful way	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	the other would be push driven - people encrypt their photos to the keys they want to see them and no others.	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	neither of this would be anonymous - it would be pseudonymous.	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	anonimity is for idiots.	[11:48]
copypaste	ah, I see. So like Reddit then	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	either way a random cs-illiterate third party would not see anything.	[11:49]
copypaste	I've actually never even heard of a chan with forced usernames	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	so like twitter-reddit on sane-tor	[11:49]
copypaste	Much less forcing GPG keys	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	copypaste how are they forced ? you run gpg and make a key. whatever it comes out.	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	can make one key per post if you want.	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	ideally you replace the browser entirely, also. run as a sort of torrent.	[11:50]
copypaste	I see. It could have an option then to see posts not in your WoT	[11:50]
copypaste	Then to see posts in your Level 1 WoT, Level 2 only and so on	[11:50]
copypaste	I think it's a cool idea	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	depends which model you choose. if people encrypt their output, there's jack you can do	[11:50]
copypaste	No need for encryption, perhaps as an option only. Signing is just as well.	[11:50]
copypaste	If I get a WoTchan working, I'll link it here.	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	did you read the part about fuck the browser, also ?	[11:51]
copypaste	If I have I don't recall	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	ideally you replace the browser entirely, also. run as a sort of torrent. <	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	just fork gnutella or whatever to serve as your basis. add a render engine, and you're g2g.	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	no longer need to host servers, bother with "laws" and similar bullshit. if people like your shit they'll run it.	[11:52]
copypaste	Not bad	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	if not, a well. less bw.	[11:53]
copypaste	Gnutella did work well	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	but you and the people who like it can STILL run it.	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	basically, the correct way to implement this, is to have a "universal" key and have people encrypt to whatever keys they want. if they include the universal, then it's public. if they don't, then only whoever they encrypted to can see it.	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	and now V also becomes a chan soft.	[11:55]
adlai	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/24BB7J3.txt	[11:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9dot )	[11:57]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	copypaste it'll take a while to implement, you'll have to pull in gpg too, and some other shit. but once done it does obsolete current chanology. i can't conceive who or how could run a chan anymore on anything else.	[11:58]
copypaste	I especially like the part about no centralized hosting	[11:59]
copypaste	I have a friend who is now working for fluffypony and Monero on adding I2P to that coin (perhaps the work is already finished)	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	it's really not THAT hard to do, in the sense that all the needed parts already exist, even if not perfect.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	so it's not one of those "shit me a micron" sort of jobs.	[12:00]
copypaste	But before he was doing that, he was making a distributed chan using the NNTP protocol and Tor/I2P	[12:00]
fluffypony	copypaste: psi?	[12:00]
copypaste	Yes	[12:00]
fluffypony	oh he's awesome	[12:00]
fluffypony	he's not working for me, he's working with us :)	[12:00]
copypaste	Sure sure	[12:00]
*	mircea_popescu would actually run this thing, anyway. i'm kind-of missing /dtng/	[12:01]
copypaste	DTNG?	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	i ran a chan, eons ago	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.5 << got the early bitcointards pretty incensed.	[12:02]
assbot	Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9Eza )	[12:02]
copypaste	http://topchanjgbabhkmb.onion/ Did psi show you this fluffypony ?	[12:02]
fluffypony	copypaste: nope, what is it?	[12:03]
fluffypony	Tor says unable to connect	[12:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48271 @ 0.00056512 = 27.2789 BTC [-]	[12:03]
punkman	https://github.com/RetroShare/RetroShare/wiki/Documentation:-Forums	[12:04]
copypaste	It's linked on topchan.xyz so I just assumed it would work	[12:04]
assbot	Documentation: Forums · RetroShare/RetroShare Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9RT6 )	[12:04]
copypaste	Perhaps no frontends are currently working, that would be a shame	[12:04]
copypaste	I guess I'll have to ask psi the current status of the project	[12:04]
fluffypony	he's in #monero via the irc2p relay	[12:05]
fluffypony	oh I lie, he's not, but he's in #kovri-dev	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell adlai "Satoshi Nakamoto never signed communications, and are is thus"	[12:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:07]
*	shinohai tried this as well, kinda liked some of it: http://about.psyc.eu/	[12:07]
assbot	(PSYC) Index ... ( http://bit.ly/23cixcQ )	[12:07]
adlai	ah well. "but at least i fucking tried"	[12:10]
adlai	;;later tell BingoBoingo excellent choice for your latest deed	[12:10]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:10]
adlai	!s nitrous	[12:10]
assbot	22 results for 'nitrous' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nitrous	[12:10]
adlai	in case anybody missed this thread	[12:10]
adlai	mircea_popescu: at a certain point, you just have to stop editing and shoot the bastard	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	aha	[12:11]
adlai	(fwiw the self-styled ABC is a super-secret facebook group called "advanced bitcoin" where all recent discussion seems to be about the bitcoinclassic 'slack' channel... at least they also have the policy of requiring new entrants to read 'logs', so it's not all noise)	[12:14]
adlai	letter emerged from my first impression upon seeing their latest babble	[12:15]
thestringpuller	;;later tell cazalla miss you mah nigga. wish I could stay up late enough with you to chat.	[12:15]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111600 @ 0.00056436 = 62.9826 BTC [-] {2}	[12:46]
thestringpuller	oh wow MPOE at 56k	[12:46]
adlai	!t m s.mpoe	[12:47]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00050896 / 0.00053647 / 0.00060199 (4823476 shares, 2,587.68 BTC), 7D: 0.0004914 / 0.00052395 / 0.00060199 (8382759 shares, 4,392.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00050578 / 0.00060199 (56239342 shares, 28,444.79 BTC)	[12:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00056587 = 42.8929 BTC [+] {2}	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel	[12:56]
-assbot-	You voiced gabriel_laddel for 30 minutes.	[12:56]
*	assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[12:56]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[12:56]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_butugychag	[12:56]
ascii_butugychag	http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/why-algebraic-eraser-may-be-the-most-risky-cryptosystem-youve-never-heard-of << lulzy piece re: the crypto charlatans i saw at shmoo	[12:57]
ascii_butugychag	(even the volkischer beobachter makes fun of'em)	[12:57]
ascii_butugychag	gotta love especially the part where 'you did not break our system, but a weak variant which we for no good reason give to all testers!111'	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	yeah, "this was refuted" blabla.	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	seems to me the conjugate separation is a rather universal solution	[12:59]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376755 << what kind of behaviour do you want out of a grep with an input having no newlines ? shit out whole file ?	[12:59]
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assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 14:38:49; mircea_popescu: who the fuck wrote grep so it NEEDS newlines ?	[12:59]
ascii_butugychag	grep doesn't return byte offsets, but assumes... lines!1111	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag it works by words too!	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	what if i say "two words before three after" ?	[13:00]
ascii_butugychag	no idea what kind of grep mircea_popescu is using, but mine deals in lines.	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	grep -o -P '.{0,3}string.{0,4}' << does what ?	[13:01]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376818 << this existed and was (is?!!) called 'freenet.' and it sucked balls.	[13:01]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 14:57:37; mircea_popescu: copypaste it'll take a while to implement, you'll have to pull in gpg too, and some other shit. but once done it does obsolete current chanology. i can't conceive who or how could run a chan anymore on anything else.	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag wait what ?!	[13:02]
ascii_butugychag	!s freenet	[13:02]
assbot	32 results for 'freenet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=freenet	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	o look, a year of paid development is 27k	[13:02]
ascii_butugychag	waiwut	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	anywa, freenet has exactly nothing to do with what was contemplated here.	[13:03]
ascii_butugychag	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/supreme-court-wont-force-dhs-to-reveal-secret-plan-to-cut-cell-service << in other lulz from same rag	[13:06]
assbot	Supreme Court won’t force DHS to reveal secret plan to cut cell service \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ouj0Qe )	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	the idea isn't to "surf websites" and "easy upload and download". the idea is to replace the motherfucking browser altogether, so that a chanpage is created out of discrete resources requested from peers exactly like the browser works but without touching any sort of web anything.	[13:06]
ascii_butugychag	reduced to gossipd, no ?	[13:07]
ascii_butugychag	*reduces	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	certainly very close.	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	anyway, you don't have to even parse html and all that bullshit - because your site template is fixed.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	so it kills the browser and everything web, all the way down.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	and honestly doing away with this particular bowdlerization of the idea of freedom where sites "can change" is such a great win just by itself...	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	it should be fucking illegal to deviate from format. fucking idiot "symbolics" "designers".	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	THIS is how a blog looks or go die.	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	there's absolutely nothing valid or even remotely interesting you might need to "express yourself" through writing into the book sideways and with a round hole in the middle of the page.	[13:10]
ascii_butugychag	wai wut symbolics wut ??	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag you know, the orcs that don't have alphabet because their mommies were sluts or something.	[13:10]
ascii_butugychag	ah i thought you meant the defunct american corp	[13:10]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	na	[13:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00056533 = 83.7819 BTC [-]	[13:10]
ascii_butugychag	what next, xerox is just a dry leaf ?	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	next hopefully we do away with the notion of "font".	[13:11]
ascii_butugychag	and a dumpster is a fella who likes to hang around dumps...	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	maybe the chinese take care of that.	[13:11]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: how to 'do away with font' ? issue ibm rollerballs to everybody ?	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	"you can install fixedsys to do any glyph translation you want on your system ; you may never reference glyphs when talking to other systems"	[13:12]
gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369329 << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Use_of_LSD	[13:13]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 17:35:59; ascii_butugychag: the other outputs also other things	[13:13]
assbot	Kary Mullis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKfCc8 )	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	something like this is fucking obvious, even to the lowliest derp : there is no concept of "wordpress theme" in the fucking code, and if you want to "skin it" you eitgher write one or, as the derp case usually is, go to a repository and load one you like. nobody goes "hey, we should be able to decide what wordpress theme is used to display this article IN THE FUCKING ARTICLE".	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	but then the only reason this obviousness is obvious is because THEY FUCKING CANT.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	otherwise they'd be "improving" this too.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	html going the way of the ^G would be a greater win than most anything else. and not just for computing sanity, either.	[13:21]
ascii_butugychag	shit are we gonna have to do the maths notation thread again.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was resolved, and the resolution was "no more bullshit"	[13:22]
copypaste	what's wrong with unicode	[13:23]
ascii_butugychag	the resolution was that you can pry matrices from my cold, dead hands.	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	what's that to do with html ?	[13:23]
ascii_butugychag	nothing, html must die	[13:23]
ascii_butugychag	this was re: glyphs.	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	copypaste were you here for the "the humanoids in unicode are the wrong color" discussion ?	[13:23]
copypaste	nothing, but it has a lot to do with fixedsys	[13:23]
ascii_butugychag	^	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag how's "you may not reference glyph tables intra-systems" doing anything to your matrices ?	[13:24]
copypaste	i don't think so, but i do remember that in the newest revision skintones were added, which was strange	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	you wanna look at them, paint them any way you wish. you wanna communicate them, stick toⁱ	[13:24]
copypaste	i don't think fonts should contain color data	[13:24]
ascii_butugychag	how do you indicate a mode switch ?	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	copypaste the solution to infestation isn't to draw lines on the floor and try to keep the bugs from crossing over. the solution is to fog the place. no more unicode.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag what mode.	[13:25]
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copypaste	what would you have instead of unicode, which would support all the world's languages?	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	fuck that.	[13:25]
copypaste	or, do you not think all the world's languages are worthy of support?	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	all the world's languages can go invent their own computers. i'll read them in the afterlife.	[13:26]
ascii_butugychag	nah only cultured man languages.	[13:26]
copypaste	so english, russian, romanian, chinese?	[13:26]
copypaste	is chinese cultured?	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	latin.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	chinese is anticultured.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	they wanna compute, learn to abc.	[13:26]
ascii_butugychag	... they did	[13:26]
ascii_butugychag	!s pinyin	[13:26]
assbot	7 results for 'pinyin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pinyin	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	(this point, incidentally, is uncontroversial in the chinese space)	[13:26]
ascii_butugychag	aha!	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	as it was in ru space	[13:27]
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mircea_popescu	back before the whores starting pretending like government is a job.	[13:27]
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thestringpuller	oh looks bitgo wants to compete with green address: http://www.coindesk.com/bitgo-instant-bitcoin-transaction-tool/	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	lol how are they gonna "compete", who gives a shit about that thing ?	[14:01]
thestringpuller	compete for lemming money!	[14:04]
punkman	thestringpuller: what's a "key recovery service"?	[14:09]
gernika	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376813 << this exists and is known as Bitmessage. Does not use gpg though.	[14:17]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 14:53:03; mircea_popescu: basically, the correct way to implement this, is to have a "universal" key and have people encrypt to whatever keys they want. if they include the universal, then it's public. if they don't, then only whoever they encrypted to can see it.	[14:17]
jurov	http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/releases/nissan-titan-warrior-concept-makes-world-debut-at-the-2016-north-american-international-auto-show << will croak like international xl cuz mircea_popescu won't buy it anyway	[14:17]
assbot	Nissan TITAN Warrior Concept makes world debut at the 2016 North American International Auto Show - Nissan Online Newsroom ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejehR )	[14:17]
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PeterL	https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/childrens-book-recalled-for-superficial-portrayal-of-slavery/2016/01/18/db881864-be47-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html << Slavery is bad, mkay? Don't let mircea_popescu tell you it is good, mkay?	[14:26]
assbot	Children’s book recalled for superficial portrayal of slavery - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiHXKd )	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	gernika so in what sense does it exist ?	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	PeterL gotta love how "against socialism" became "superficial". things that go against teh superficious ideology are ignorant!!11	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	jurov waitwut ?	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	check that out, they put wheels on a shoe.	[14:28]
jurov	iirc you dreamed about ooversize trucks?	[14:28]
PeterL	mircea_popescu, and instead of relying on parents to explain to thier children the background of the culture, we must ban the book. Bleh.	[14:28]
gernika	I suppose in the same sense as bitcoin exists.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	gernika the idea was to make a chan not to convey short text messages in a roundabout manner.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	PeterL there is no way to explain the background of the culture in an ideologically acceptable manner.	[14:30]
gernika	Bitmessage has a concept of chans - public forums.	[14:30]
gernika	with pictures even	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	it's rank nonsense. "back then, people owned people, which is bad" "why ?" "i dunno, bahamas said so"	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	shrug. you a dev there gernika ?	[14:32]
gernika	I am not. In my pre-#ba days I worked on project that used it. a distributed market, of all things.	[14:33]
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phf	end of 90s remnants of su intelligentsia, who grew up on stolen, non-localized hardware in the 70s and 80s, were actively arguing for translit. i still periodically get emails from hard science types written in translit. i remember some of those people were really mad when emacs 20 added localization support (MULE was particularly dodgy take on it). i didn't understand what the big deal was back then though. ironically i didn't have	[14:34]
phf	shit to write or read, where's those guys produced GBs of text in translit, published entire tex papers that used escape codes to do cyrillic, etc. should've listened.	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	i guess this is perhaps not obvious, tho i'd expect it to be : the odds of recent code created by random derps not in the wot being ever recommended, used or regarded positively here are somewhere between nil and epsilon. even old, widely distributed, supposedly well reviewed code turns out pretty shitty on examination.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	moreover, the wholly misplaced expectation of youthful enthusiasts that they may make a name for themselves through independently "creating" shit must be quashed.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	there is no such thing. there shall never be such a thing.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	phf i was one of the very few ro writers that never migrated.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	tore a bunch of holes in the "logical arguments" of the retards, to exactly no effect. their logic consists of whatever they make algal blooms out of.	[14:36]
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mircea_popescu	"GPG is useless because if somebody manages to exchange the data while it is transferred to you, he probably also switched the key with his own to sign the application again so it looks valid."	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	these people are writing code ?	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	https://bitmessage.org/forum/index.php/topic,3927.msg8322.html#msg8322 << fucktards already.	[14:38]
assbot	GPG-signed Downloads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PengXp )	[14:38]
gernika	It has other problems as well, namely spam, which it was explicitly "designed" to prevent.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	spam shouldn't be a problem in a sane implementation of the above-discussed design	[14:41]
punkman	retroshare does p2p forums with gpg, but I wouldn't really trust the thing	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	broadly it seems more like a sort of confused yahoo messenger implemented by teenagers than anything.	[14:41]
phf	key exchange is hard, but i designed this easy to use automated schENALRGE YOUR PENIS NOW!!	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	punkman notably, the one difference between this and gossipd is that it really doesn't require so much trust. the paramount question isn't to make it possible for derps to safely exchange child porn or whatever, the paramount question is to make it possible to run a chan without having to bow down to an isp providing server space.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	at least in my understanding.	[14:43]
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mircea_popescu	"Outgoing messages do not contain the explicit address of the recipient of the message. Therefore, every network participant attempts decryption of every message passing through the network even if the message was not originally intended for that network participant. Since only the actual recipient can successfully decrypt the messages intended for him, all network participants know that if they fail to decrypt the mes	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	sage then the message was not intended for them."	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	lol this should scale nicely.	[14:45]
PeterL	isn't that how bitmessage worked too?	[14:45]
PeterL	died under a dos, iiuc	[14:46]
punkman	I like how retroshare provides a platform for various p2p applications, I hope whoever builds #ba-gossipd won't make it too IRC-oriented	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	punkman what's your definition of irc-oriented ?	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/EuRjL#selection-2261.15-2261.88 << blasts from past	[14:48]
assbot	The Bitcoin believers - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeqxWB )	[14:48]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: dunno, a system that lets you build IRC on it but gets in the way when you try to build other things (forum/chan, filesharing, etc)	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	"Based in the heart of NYC, with strong banking and political partnerships, Coin.co is focused on establishing relationships with some of the world's most influential companies and institutions." << fancy that, website at least still exists.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	punkman this doesn't say too much does it ?	[14:50]
punkman	indeed	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[14:51]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[14:51]
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mircea_popescu	https://github.com/Bitmessage/PyBitmessage/issues/775 << poor surda, i guess he's trying the entire "push a mountain uphill to build strength" approach.	[14:52]
assbot	singleton.py misdesign · Issue #775 · Bitmessage/PyBitmessage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiK6Wi )	[14:52]
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gernika	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376982 << would an illustration of this be that on a timescale of 5 years (i.e. one year after acquihire), nothing created in SV by youthful enthusiasts remains?	[14:53]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 17:34:03; mircea_popescu: moreover, the wholly misplaced expectation of youthful enthusiasts that they may make a name for themselves through independently "creating" shit must be quashed.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	gernika for instance.	[14:53]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376847 << egregious example fro earlier today	[14:54]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 15:06:13; *: shinohai tried this as well, kinda liked some of it: http://about.psyc.eu/	[14:54]
ascii_butugychag	*from	[14:54]
ascii_butugychag	even packaged its own oop shitlang	[14:55]
ascii_butugychag	from 1990s.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	i really don't blame the kids themselves, they're being raped under the guise of education, and in two major ways : one to create a wholly delusional concept of "originality" which is so badly wound up in self-contradiction it causes most brains to shut down ; the other is more pervasive, they are prevented from socialising normally in a myriad ways and as such become incapable to work with others.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	while these idiocies may well serve societal and political goals of wrinkled up old women / usg, they have no room in the world.	[14:55]
ascii_butugychag	i'm not seeing #2	[14:55]
ascii_butugychag	they socialize very, very well	[14:55]
ascii_butugychag	too well.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[14:55]
gernika	ascii_butugychag: beg to differ	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	going to church is not socialisation, it's antisocialisation.	[14:56]
punkman	ascii_butugychag: I was looking at their website last week, pretty much confused lemming doing random shit	[14:56]
ascii_butugychag	but ~inside the leprosorium~ yes	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	they can't go to a random bar, they can't talk to random people.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	socialisation is an ability to interact with the other , not an ability to tolerate the boring.	[14:56]
ascii_butugychag	but the latter is precisely what happens in 'random bar with random people'	[14:57]
ascii_butugychag	tolerate the boring.	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	not at all.	[14:57]
gernika	Roommate worked for adultfriendfinder.com. Did not leave his room, ever. And smelled like it.	[14:57]
ascii_butugychag	gernika: nowhere is it written that a hermit must stop washing.	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag there's a problem of positive feedback loops.	[14:58]
gernika	Bathroom is down the hall, outside of the room.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	person gets used to himself.	[14:58]
ascii_butugychag	sure. could shit on the floor, too	[14:58]
ascii_butugychag	but it is possible not to.	[14:58]
ascii_butugychag	to make an... effort.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	there's a difference between "maintaining homeostasis" sort of things and what you describe.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	ever tried dead reckoning ?	[14:58]
ascii_butugychag	yes.	[14:58]
ascii_butugychag	one leg is longer, aha	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	errors compound. without a star or other fixed outside...	[14:59]
ascii_butugychag	'englishman takes a bath every week, whether he needs it or not!' (tm) (r)	[14:59]
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ascii_butugychag	at any rate, mircea_popescu will not find perelman inside $randombar	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	i will find everything everywhere, thank you very much.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	this is just another restatement of the 'you won't find your soulmate in the brothel'. what are you, your own mother ?!	[15:02]
phf	hermit is not the same as hobo. i saw a hermit in india once, he lived in a cave and was well groomed within the limits of what was available to him. he smelled infinitely better then the bums that were begging in the street. for all practicle purpose american nerds are "hobos" with housing	[15:02]
ascii_butugychag	phf has it	[15:03]
phf	mind and will go first, then the body	[15:03]
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ascii_butugychag	'mens sana in corpore sano' (tm) (r)	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	phf you know there's an entire classification of the ... idle members of society. hobo travels, will work. tramp won't work, but travels. bum doesn't travel. etc.	[15:03]
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mircea_popescu	a punk is, of course, the eromenos in the typical pressure-driven homosexual relationships they engage in. a hooker's not the same as a harlot and so on and so forth	[15:05]
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phf	yeah, i'm lost with the terminology. my view into the lazy world is through hipster bums, like crust punks and gypsters, and they are not very precise with their terminolgoy, or else they latch on to some word and aggressively use it to self identify	[15:11]
punkman	what's below the bum?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	well... you know, random technician in factory may well not know wtf he's doing also.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	punkman the bum is not violent. generally "below" would go towards more violence.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	a knave, well antiquated by now, would technically denote a "child of better means who is now destitute and agressive out of survived entitlement". a word lafond's looking for.	[15:13]
ascii_butugychag	violent man is.. not yet ~spent~. bum - is spent.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	there is some merit in this.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	female side is similar. whore is just that, end of road. hooker tries to grab you with a well placed line, still has that much fight left in her.	[15:15]
phf	with this classification crust punks and gypsters mostly fall into tramp category	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	imo they're scamps. (juveniles trying to live off recycling)	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	sorta common behaviour in youth of all mammals.	[15:16]
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ascii_butugychag	btw ru prison hierarchy follows similar gradation	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason for this, it's natural.	[15:18]
ascii_butugychag	at the bottom you have folks who no longer care how many kg of shit is attached to body	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	when the weigher for the worth in pounds of flesh comes around, it god damned weighs.	[15:18]
ascii_butugychag	yes!	[15:18]
ascii_butugychag	and was it mircea_popescu who had the article with 'the inescapable kid in school who smells of amoeba'	[15:19]
ascii_butugychag	or what was it	[15:19]
ascii_butugychag	euglena.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	"cu miros de euglene" ?	[15:19]
ascii_butugychag	aha ^^ !	[15:19]
ascii_butugychag	or - at least in several key ways - the untouchables of india.	[15:20]
ascii_butugychag	it's a thing.	[15:20]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43tDr9XndEE	[15:22]
assbot	MO-Piftel Cenzurat de Darius Iurca - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiLYOQ )	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[15:22]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[15:22]
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ascii_butugychag	and it was definitely in a mircea_popescu article where i saw 'choose between 'bullying' and life among monsters'	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[15:23]
phf	a spent bum is by analogy with доходяга or фитиль	[15:23]
ascii_butugychag	and berkem al atomi (pseudonym) had essay re: same	[15:23]
ascii_butugychag	and phf has it	[15:23]
ascii_butugychag	also черти (devils)	[15:23]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376466 << 12 inches is all anyone needs for journalistic purposes	[15:24]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 11:30:27; jurov: lol dat monitor porn. crappy lg with visible burnout spots of backlight tubes here :D	[15:24]
ascii_butugychag	доходяга - 'one who's walked out his walk' - has implications of starvation	[15:25]
ascii_butugychag	so not quite same	[15:25]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: i don't know anybody who ever gave a fuck how big a display is in inches. pixels are what counts	[15:27]
ascii_butugychag	you can make moar inches optically.	[15:27]
ascii_butugychag	like my grandfather's su tv set with water tank lens.	[15:28]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: It's the shitty 13XX by 76X so Really 12 inches or less is the only way it does tolerable dpi	[15:28]
jurov	rly? how do i magnify the 27" 5K display to usable 40" ?	[15:28]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: sit closer.	[15:28]
jurov	nah, i'm glad i don't have to	[15:29]
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*	BingoBoingo also the person who likes computer fan noise, because conveys feelings of Power!!!	[15:30]
phf	gets all excited during compilation, fan kick in "yeah, motherfucker, we're ~doing~ shit"	[15:31]
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BingoBoingo	The secret to surpressing the worse harmonics fan's can produce is running an AM radio in the same room.	[15:35]
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jurov	my secret is to vacuum all the fans occassionally	[15:36]
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ascii_butugychag	jurov: i clean'em yearly	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov: sit closer. << nuts, really.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	!up tomothy	[15:37]
-assbot-	You voiced tomothy for 30 minutes.	[15:37]
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ascii_butugychag	the one thing crapple got right:	[15:39]
ascii_butugychag	i should not ever have to see an individual pixel	[15:39]
ascii_butugychag	or have the display behave in any way other than exactly like a photo enlarger:	[15:39]
ascii_butugychag	to make the text as small as bearable	[15:39]
ascii_butugychag	and increasing res should do nothing but to make the curves smoother.	[15:39]
BingoBoingo	my secret is to vacuum all the fans occassionally << yes, also have fans feeding fans fanned air. This done right can lead to powerful rumble sounds from machien	[15:39]
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ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: this is how you destroy fans	[15:41]
ascii_butugychag	they can't take shear.	[15:41]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: The rumbling noise actually comes from the baffles. Anyways China always has more fans to ship	[15:41]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369156 << BingoBoingo should have bough this	[15:42]
assbot	Logged on 13-01-2016 13:24:52; jurov: http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/11/emerging-harsh-noise-artist-revealed-as-faulty-air-conditioning-unit/ hahaha	[15:42]
jurov	*bought	[15:43]
BingoBoingo	lol	[15:43]
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jurov	!up t	[15:43]
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*	BingoBoingo got some cool noises moving AM radio between dueling transformers	[15:43]
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jurov	wtf	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	"A few days after the book was released, readers took the author, the illustrator and the publisher to task online for presenting a sanitized version of the life of Washington’s cook and other enslaved people. “An insulting tale that sprinkles glitter on rape, murder, torture and servitude,” wrote one outraged reviewer."	[15:44]
jurov	!up t	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	ahaha da fuck. i'm sure washington's cook was murdered and raped.	[15:44]
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mircea_popescu	what the everloving.	[15:44]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376745 << Just woke up I'll leave it to someone else or just let it not be news	[15:47]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 13:50:36; mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo ^ plox to or actually...	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	it's lulz not news.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	somebody got some very bad news yesterday, coped in the manner these schmucks tend to cope.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	anyone recall our sweat blood and tears friend tom ?	[15:48]
ascii_butugychag	obligatory vintagelul: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/177161	[15:49]
assbot	Booker T. and W.E.B. by Dudley Randall : The Poetry Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg164N )	[15:49]
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ascii_butugychag	'“It seems to me,” said Booker T., / “It shows a mighty lot of cheek / To study chemistry and Greek / When Mister Charlie needs a hand / To hoe the cotton on his land, / And when Miss Ann looks for a cook, / Why stick your nose inside a book?”'	[15:50]
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mircea_popescu	"I'm going back to the frozen north, where the pricks are hard and strong. Back to the land of the all-night stand-where the nights are six months long, where you get it in bits as hard as tin in the land where spunk is spunk - not a trickling stream of lukewarm cream, but a solid frozen chunk."	[15:50]
danielpbarron	;;later tell mod6 all these big mpoe trades scared away your twatterbot	[15:50]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:50]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: yes!	[15:51]
ascii_butugychag	the insemination of sam mcgee, or what was it	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	story of eskimo nell	[15:51]
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mircea_popescu	lol derp stop pmflooding me.	[15:51]
ascii_butugychag	waiwut	[15:51]
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pete_dushenski	"the northern dykes have seen queer sights"	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[15:53]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[15:53]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno, laddel sent me a pile of uncleal links and got canned by freenode	[15:53]
pete_dushenski	http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5ZV7oS-d9S8/TUDiT7BuBbI/AAAAAAAAAA4/9jt4zVvGXyo/s1600/TedHarrison.jpg << harrison's does service best	[15:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QbZRDc )	[15:53]
ascii_butugychag	iirc mircea_popescu does have the 1377 w4r3z full tarball of al schwartz	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[15:55]
ascii_butugychag	and my seal thereof.	[15:55]
ascii_butugychag	i still have the floppies!111	[15:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184350 @ 0.00056648 = 104.4306 BTC [+] {5}	[15:56]
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funkenstein_	"Today, Kraken expands to the United States and Canada and acquires major exchanges Coinsetter and Cavirtex!"	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	haha major ?!	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel	[15:57]
-assbot-	You voiced gabriel_laddel for 30 minutes.	[15:57]
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gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377159 << link?	[15:57]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 18:53:40; ascii_butugychag: iirc mircea_popescu does have the 1377 w4r3z full tarball of al schwartz	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	in other bitcoin network news, "Estimated Confirmation Time Very Soon (High Priority)" txn waiting for the past half hour to be included.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	in no small part because in the past 75 minutes we had 3 blocks.	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[15:58]
gribble	862245670.075	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	im kinda starting to believe teh numbers lie.	[15:58]
thestringpuller	hashrate drop.	[15:58]
thestringpuller	;;bc,stats	[15:58]
gribble	Current Blocks: 394050 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 \| Next Difficulty In: 1085 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[15:58]
funkenstein_	hashcrash	[15:58]
ascii_butugychag	the minerz are ripe for a powocalypse, good and hard, imho	[15:59]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376521 << it's funny, because i AM thrilled to hear that the self-proclaimed "poor slave" dood wearing the fucking rolex submariner on his wrist like it's been there since birth thinks that my new rolex datejust is sub-par. it really cements the theory that while stan is an indentured slave, it's his own choice to be there and the door is open. so ha!	[15:59]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 12:31:52; mircea_popescu: "Why four $800 monitors ? Mostly because I’m not a poorfag" << - >> ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? << lol i'm sure he'll be thrilled to hear.	[15:59]
funkenstein_	lol	[15:59]
funkenstein_	SHArmaggedon	[15:59]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: if it makes ya feel better, i also run cruddy eizos	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41ps56/q_for_gregory_maxwell_would_it_be_within/	[16:00]
assbot	Q for Gregory Maxwell: Would it be within consideration to implement a different PoW hardfork at the same time as Classic's? A: Yes, it would be possible to do that. Candidate code is already written. : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg2GUl )	[16:00]
gabriel_laddel	"Consider a transistor whose components are themselves transistors, whose components... Electrical engineers desperately woo the third dimension of circuit integration as they pack increasingly denser forests of linearly ordered planar devices onto increasingly larger chips. Perhaps the third dimension need not be height. Perhaps it is one of form, of complexity, of recursive fractal structure wherefrom mystic self-	[16:00]
gabriel_laddel	aware intelligence emerges out of a vortex of telescoping intricacy like Excalibur being thrust through the surface by the Lady of the Lake. " -- http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/intel2.htm	[16:00]
assbot	WHY INTELLIGENCE? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg2K6u )	[16:00]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: actually it does	[16:00]
ascii_butugychag	i get'em used.	[16:00]
ascii_butugychag	one is b&w even	[16:00]
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pete_dushenski	aha like doctor	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	not that at this point "classic" is anything but a drunken joke, but anyway	[16:00]
ascii_butugychag	(meant for hospital 'cat scan')	[16:00]
gabriel_laddel	Alright, time to RescueCD.	[16:00]
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ascii_butugychag	i paid less for my eizos than most lusers pay for 'dell' at the shop.	[16:01]
funkenstein_	I like this young man cause when he first came out he had the line, he went from asic to classic	[16:01]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: but you do realise that this is exactly, and i do mean exactly like the guy driving la ferrari snubbing nose at guy driving 488 gtb.	[16:01]
pete_dushenski	or guy living in mega-mega^^^mega-mansion in beverly hills snubbing guy just living in mega-...	[16:02]
pete_dushenski	also in bh	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ hm ?	[16:02]
funkenstein_	from notorious BIG, original was "ashy to classy"	[16:03]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: i bet ascii_butugychag doesn't even play video games	[16:03]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376419 << that many munchkins need a 600 landaulet a la http://jalopnik.com/saddam-husseins-mercedes-benz-600-landaulet-is-amazing-451684879	[16:03]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[16:03]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 07:05:41; BingoBoingo: Who knows? Maybe by Child 9 pete acquires a G Wagon for the roads or lack thereof?	[16:03]
assbot	Saddam Hussein's Mercedes-Benz 600 Landaulet Is Amazing And Spooky ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg3bxF )	[16:03]
ascii_butugychag	nope.	[16:03]
ascii_butugychag	what games, on 4 vertical lcd, under gentoo	[16:03]
thestringpuller	Kerbal Space Program would be perfect for that setup	[16:04]
ascii_butugychag	i don't even have 'accelerated' raster.	[16:04]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: he plays more games than i do. except he plays on dos or w/e	[16:04]
thestringpuller	aha	[16:04]
ascii_butugychag	i had a separate box for this, for a while	[16:04]
thestringpuller	leisure suite larry?	[16:04]
ascii_butugychag	486	[16:04]
ascii_butugychag	playing games was a thing from a much happier time, for asciilifeform	[16:05]
pete_dushenski	waitwut kraken bought coinbase and cavirtex ? i thought kraken did like 10 coins a day in volume. that's like instagram buying facebook.	[16:05]
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danielpbarron	you should be able to play eulora on gentoo (i do)	[16:06]
phf	scummvm runs nicely, what else you need	[16:06]
ascii_butugychag	danielpbarron: i don't have 3d rendering	[16:06]
danielpbarron	so get	[16:06]
ascii_butugychag	can ~get~ whatever, but it would have to be a separate dedicated box	[16:07]
ascii_butugychag	like the ones i keep for running virii	[16:07]
ascii_butugychag	and there is only so much room.	[16:07]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376415 << this is particularly funny because girls around here, even "educated" ones, have never even ~heard~ of wetnurses. concept doesn't exist in their minds. can boobfeed yourself ? here, buy this $50/day majick formula. can't afford that ? petition the gov to give it to you for free (true tawk, this actually happened recently for parents who couldn't afford "hypoal	[16:08]
pete_dushenski	ic formula" or some shit)	[16:08]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 06:54:03; BingoBoingo: Undoubtably to be unveiled on Contravex with a post title "Meet the Wet Nurses Volume 1: Elin and Gisele"	[16:08]
danielpbarron	and it's not like playing would take time away from your not sleeping; most things you can automate	[16:08]
ascii_butugychag	trying to avoid the 'nazi submarine' feel of my old flat	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00056166 = 11.7387 BTC [-] {3}	[16:08]
danielpbarron	i'm at a diner right now watching my explore bot via ssh terminal on fone	[16:09]
jurov	how? you strem logs?	[16:10]
jurov	*stream	[16:10]
danielpbarron	tail -f	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	i'm at a diner right now watching my explore bot via ssh terminal on fone << epic.	[16:10]
danielpbarron	yeah foxybot logs all attempts	[16:10]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376523 << at $1.45 cad to usd, what else are they good for ? perhaps kindling but i'll hold off on that for as long as this boiler is working.	[16:11]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 12:33:58; mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P1180684-1024x768.jpg << check it out, he propped them up on bricks of canadian money.	[16:11]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: That's why you get some Swedish gurlz for that	[16:11]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: you aren't entirely wrong about the ferrari, but you guessed the ~wrong ferrari~	[16:12]
ascii_butugychag	it isn't the hardware	[16:12]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: aha. like former mrs. woods and mrs. bundchen	[16:12]
BingoBoingo	lol	[16:12]
ascii_butugychag	but the standalone building without zombies on the grounds thing	[16:12]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: are there other "elin" and "gisele" that you know of ? that are also for hire ? (nannies or models ?)	[16:13]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Those names seem common enough	[16:13]
pete_dushenski	tevye having fun with a different type of blackhole than yesterday. log snippet for those curious : http://dpaste.com/2K9AAQ6.txt	[16:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg4Gfg )	[16:14]
pete_dushenski	shutdown and reboot fixed last one, may need to go that route again ?	[16:15]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: running with malleus ?	[16:15]
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pete_dushenski	yes.	[16:15]
ascii_butugychag	and there is no reason to reboot these	[16:16]
ascii_butugychag	(have the thing auto-restart if oomkilled, but beyond this, no point unless you built a new one)	[16:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69650 @ 0.00056033 = 39.027 BTC [-] {2}	[16:16]
pete_dushenski	could not have "ERROR: BANNED peer issuing heathen command." neh ?	[16:16]
pete_dushenski	(not from paste, but in logs)	[16:17]
ascii_butugychag	ah ok	[16:17]
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pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: i'll just leave it as-is for now. see what happens.	[16:18]
pete_dushenski	30 blocks behind atm.	[16:18]
pete_dushenski	and nowhere near resource limits	[16:19]
ascii_butugychag	the solution to overloaded and shitflooded trb nodes is... to have 1000x more of'em	[16:19]
ascii_butugychag	how about ~we~ isolate the idiots, for a change.	[16:19]
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pete_dushenski	484.4 MB of 2 GB Used (memory) and 187.71 MB of 2 GB Used (vswap)	[16:19]
ascii_butugychag	instead of the reverse.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	it's pretty much the "spv" nodes that are the problem.	[16:20]
ascii_butugychag	not exclusively.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	much like irl it's pretty much the "home nat router" that is the problem.	[16:21]
ascii_butugychag	but yeah, there is a thick layer of them between us and mines.	[16:21]
thestringpuller	the hearnia is removed, the ecological contamination remains	[16:21]
ascii_butugychag	the thing that always bothered me about bitcoin is that miners are basically opportunistic vermin	[16:21]
ascii_butugychag	and a machine that relies on cockroaches in whatever capacity, is what kind of machine.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i've moved my tx fee from 0.0001 (~4 cents) to 0.00022 (bout a dime, give or take).	[16:22]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: this doesn't measurably lighten load	[16:22]
ascii_butugychag	thinkaboutit	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	this is the first time i changed it since introducing the fucking concept back in 2012 ish.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag in no way related to peers discussion.	[16:23]
ascii_butugychag	yes, it is ecologically cleaner, ~for other nodes~	[16:23]
ascii_butugychag	ah ok	[16:23]
PeterL	ascii_butugychag, is there a way to do bitcoin without the miners?	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	just outraged that txn has been waiting for inclusion for an hour now.	[16:23]
ascii_butugychag	PeterL: not as such	[16:23]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: is it high-S again?	[16:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24988 @ 0.00056719 = 14.1729 BTC [+]	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag life on earth relies on cockroaches and vermin generally.	[16:23]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[16:24]
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PeterL	would they be oppourtunistic vermin if there was not a block subsidy (fees only)?	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller all versions exist on teh network.	[16:24]
ascii_butugychag	PeterL: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374417	[16:24]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...	[16:24]
thestringpuller	hmm?	[16:24]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Hey, a fallback plan is a fallback plan	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	so in other news, seeing how the next halving happens to more or less coincide with the expected next usg attempt to "save" bitcoin,	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	i imagine we'll be hearing a lot about how, and to quote,	[16:25]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: 'life on earth' is not an instrument, i don't push buttons on it and expect a timely response	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	"Then knowledgeable people complain that the evil financial network is heading for disaster, that the government sponsored enterprises are about to cause a "collapse of the total financial system", as Wallison and Alan Greenspan complained in 2005, the government debates shrinking the evil government sponsored enterprises, as with "S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005" but they find	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	easy money too seductive, and S. 190 goes down in flames before a horde of political activists chanting that easy money is sound, and opposing it is racist, nazi, ignorant, and generally hateful, the recent S. 190 debate on limiting portfolios (bond issue supporting dud mortgages) by government sponsored enterprises being a perfect reprise of the debates on limiting the issue of new assignats in the 1790s."	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag neither is bitcoin.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	your "push button, i matter" mental model is only applicable here inasmuch as you're hypocritical enough to go "i planted tree, and got an apple, therefore am in control" sorta thing.	[16:26]
copypaste	mircea_popescu: i've heard some saying that miners won't "allow" the halving to occur because they would never "vote for" something so against their "best interest"...these people don't understand the social contract behind bitcoin of course, or even that miners don't vote on anything but who gets 25BTC	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	otherwise... no. zero control and no buttons.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	copypaste no, "these people" who aren't in any sort of sense people are merely laying the ground work for "the next battle", as they perceive the string of endless humiliations and buttrapes they receive.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	it's kinda funny to me, because the vermin they regard as their progenitors, various "social rights activists" and whatnot benefitted from a context where each defeat made eventual victory more likely.	[16:28]
BingoBoingo	^ Populist "Hegelianism"	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	the situation here is EXACTLY opposite, but they obviously lack anything other than the zombie drive.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	braaaaainzzzz	[16:28]
copypaste	as far as i'm concerned at this point any bitcoin hardfork is an altcoin and every softfork is a way to give free coins to miners at some later date	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	so basically the comedy goldmine is really a comedy well.	[16:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106543 @ 0.00056032 = 59.6982 BTC [-] {2}	[16:30]
BingoBoingo	Where evil is born http://www.iep.utm.edu/hstlouis/	[16:32]
assbot	St. Louis Hegelians \| Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzeUt4 )	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	aand... 7 blocks in the past 2 hours.	[16:35]
BingoBoingo	;;nethash	[16:35]
gribble	862572105.607	[16:35]
BingoBoingo	BuBuBuBut, yesterday the derps swore there was a whole exahash!	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, anyone find it odd that the best way to "increase thoroughput", which is clean, safe and above all ecological (in that it brings the halvings closer) would actually be to re-set the time between blocks to something like 4-5 minutes ?	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	somehow that's the one hardfork nobody thought to mention.	[16:36]
BingoBoingo	Gavine taked about taking it down to under 2minutes	[16:37]
pete_dushenski	litecoin did 1 min iirc	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	right, usgavin poison pills aside.	[16:37]
pete_dushenski	coblee too	[16:37]
pete_dushenski	"Hey {!firstname_fix}, Happy New Year! We are starting 2016 with some fireworks of our own – Cavirtex (and our parent Coinsetter) is being acquired by Kraken, a premier bitcoin exchange." << from actual e-mail	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	taking it from 6 to 5 not only gives you a cheap 20% boost of thoroughput, but also significantly reduces the "probability to wait 1 hr for txn inclusion". by about 60% or so.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	because 2 extra blocks in that hour.	[16:37]
copypaste	What is the difference between a "Bitcoin Exchange" and a "Premier Bitcoin Exchange" ?	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[16:38]
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BingoBoingo	What is the difference between a "Bitcoin Exchange" and a "Premier Bitcoin Exchange" ? << Rectal dialation necessary for delivery	[16:41]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[16:43]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 378.86, vol: 6810.45777361 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.565, vol: 6662.0808 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 15968.28702002 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 1.39892602 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 382.49584, vol: 39926.59470000 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 387.801999978, vol: 40.67690595 \| Volume-weighted last average: 381.382331361	[16:43]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[16:43]
gribble	Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.	[16:43]
funkenstein_	i guess "premier" wasn't good enough for gribble	[16:46]
copypaste	i for one had never heard of it	[16:47]
copypaste	it trades "litecoins" as well as bitcoins	[16:47]
copypaste	"The best bitcoin exchange is needed for serious and professional bitcoin traders. Bitcoin security must be impeccable. Banking relationships must be sound and reliable. The trading engine must be fast. Order types must be advanced. And profits must be able to be multiplied with Bitcoin margin trading so you can leverage long bitcoin positions or short bitcoin positions." from kraken.com	[16:48]
copypaste	it reads like a scam site. boring	[16:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123550 @ 0.00056225 = 69.466 BTC [+] {3}	[16:50]
pete_dushenski	!up ascii_butugychag	[16:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115600 @ 0.00056721 = 65.5695 BTC [+] {3}	[16:53]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, teh reddit astroturf brigade has done some studying, and is now quoting [without attribution, of course] what i said last time, but with the persons switched. because yeah, totally, that's how things work o.O	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	saying makes it so!!1	[16:56]
ascii_butugychag	l0lwut	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	"Probably yes. It's the equivalent of a little boy taking his ball and going home because everyone is not playing according to his rules. It's a useless gesture unless there is a factory of fresh asic chips rolling off the production line in anticipation of the new POW and/or there is a large chunk of the Bitcoin economy that is willing to completely abandon the larger block chain.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	The human incentive to adopt this chain would be incredibly low though as everyone has GregCoins now and any exchange that decides to allow arbitrage between the two chains is going to see huge dumps onto the GregCoin chain which will quickly obliterate the price. Why? Because the very large majority that own Bitcoins want the blocksize to increase. I will also happily flush my GregCoins the instant some stupid schmuck	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	wishes to buy them too ;)."	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	you know, s/gavincoin/gregcoin/". mit-originality!	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/41l2ge/bitcoin_classic_and_the_future_of_the_rbitcoinxt/ << in other lulz.	[16:59]
assbot	Bitcoin Classic, and the future of the /r/BitcoinXT subreddit. : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/23cQrOW )	[16:59]
*	pete_dushenski recalls borrowing 'mit-originality' scheme for 'garzikcoin' aka bip 100	[16:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00055889 = 20.8745 BTC [-] {4}	[17:00]
*	BingoBoingo just thrilled he pulled the trigger on publishing http://qntra.net/2016/01/radeon-refresh-gets-shrink-to-14-nm/	[17:01]
assbot	Radeon Refresh Gets Shrink To 14 nm \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/23cQJ8f )	[17:01]
ascii_butugychag	'the bitcoin economy' ahahahal0l	[17:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23924 @ 0.00056727 = 13.5714 BTC [+]	[17:02]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: because ?	[17:03]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Might, just might become mining news after its publication	[17:03]
pete_dushenski	aha	[17:04]
BingoBoingo	Yet even the threat of that becoming mining news is already having a significant effect of the social media shit burbling noises	[17:05]
BingoBoingo	Buttfurry appears to be rolling over and showing its belly.	[17:05]
BingoBoingo	And F2Pool/Discus Fish for all practical purpose appears to be completely impenetrable in their actual intent to the Anglophone	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	they certainly don't mind the bitfury idiots having been idiots.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	more pie for them.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	western bois never learn.	[17:07]
BingoBoingo	Sure	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	cuz unique and speshul snowflake and slavery was bad mkay.	[17:08]
BingoBoingo	Just the F2Pool enigma made for some interesting Astroturf for about 36 hours	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, it's 7 blocks in 150 minutes over here.	[17:09]
BingoBoingo	seriously	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	112 in 1200 and 7 in 150. such luck.	[17:09]
pete_dushenski	in a two week period, not impossible	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	this isn't jus' any two week period.	[17:10]
pete_dushenski	there's that	[17:10]
BingoBoingo	Did CIA accidently some Chinese farms?	[17:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 257000 @ 0.00057058 = 146.6391 BTC [+] {5}	[17:11]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: old-fashioned sabotage, best bang for usg buck	[17:12]
BingoBoingo	An ounce of thermite can castrate substantial captial	[17:13]
ascii_butugychag	expect many 'accidental' fires, floods, locust plagues, at non-toomim mines	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	it is possible. i've been looking for smoke on satpics, nothing showing.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag in this particular case very much so.	[17:13]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: you won't see smoke, this is not the oil fields of kuwait	[17:14]
ascii_butugychag	most of the damage in such a case is from sprinkler system, even	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha. you may overevaluate miners in places.	[17:15]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: even if no fire suppression systems, they ~do~ cool with water	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	actually most miners are aircooled.	[17:16]
ascii_butugychag	that was not my impression re: current cn	[17:16]
ascii_butugychag	but i don't have a mole there.	[17:16]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: you haven't seen the videos ?	[17:16]
pete_dushenski	was on 'vice' or somesuch	[17:17]
punkman	;;interval	[17:17]
gribble	576.0	[17:17]
pete_dushenski	!s vice bitcoin mine	[17:17]
assbot	0 results for 'vice bitcoin mine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vice+bitcoin+mine	[17:17]
punkman	(avg interval in seconds for last 1000 blocks)	[17:17]
pete_dushenski	;;google site:vice.com bitcoin miner	[17:17]
gribble	Inside the Chinese Bitcoin Mine That's Grossing $1.5M a Month ...: ; Motherboard \| Bitcoin mining \| Page 1 \| Motherboard: ; µTorrent's Shady Bitcoin-Mining Program Could Blow Up Your ...:	[17:17]
pete_dushenski	first hit	[17:17]
pete_dushenski	punkman: right on target eh	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	1k blocks is two weeks.	[17:19]
punkman	;;tblb 1200	[17:19]
gribble	The expected time between blocks taking 20 minutes and 0 seconds to generate is 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 50 seconds	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	;;tblb 2400	[17:20]
gribble	The expected time between blocks taking 40 minutes and 0 seconds to generate is 11 hours and 54 seconds	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	so something that should happen twice a day on average happened four times past three hours.	[17:20]
punkman	;;tslb	[17:20]
gribble	Time since last block: 4 minutes and 6 seconds	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	o a new one ?	[17:20]
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pete_dushenski	!up ascii_butugychag	[17:24]
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thestringpuller	today on reddit lulz: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41ps56/q_for_gregory_maxwell_would_it_be_within/cz4abxk << "Are you sure a bunch of devs have more coins than Coinbase, Bitpay, the Winklebros, Tim Draper, etc.? Sigh, the delusion of grandeur is strong with Core extremists."	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	kek	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[17:30]
gribble	Time since last block: 15 seconds	[17:31]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376607 << heh. isn't kako the guy that went through ~100 fans to find ONE that worked ?	[17:31]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 12:51:39; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376546 < get better fans and larger hs - i have done this, cant tell if machine is even running by noise	[17:31]
BingoBoingo	If I recall correctly	[17:32]
punkman	;;diffchange	[17:33]
gribble	Estimated percent change in difficulty this period \| None % based on data since last change \| 6.31718 % based on data for last three days	[17:33]
punkman	;;prevdiffchange	[17:33]
gribble	9.12007	[17:33]
*	mircea_popescu lives in a land where he has to run ac anyway. you should hear that thing.	[17:36]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Linux Keyrings Bug Dates Back To 3.8 Kernel - http://qntra.net/2016/01/linux-keyrings-bug-dates-back-to-3-8-kernel/	[17:39]
BingoBoingo	^ Kinda lulzy	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	gotta say it's pretty impressive how f2pool manages to make 976.5x blocks.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	they got the leading cramtechnology.	[17:40]
BingoBoingo	Seriously	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	9999 / 10000	[17:40]
BingoBoingo	I sometimes wonder if F2Pool's English language PR strategy is simply a method to get people to leave them the fuck alone.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	you're not the only one.	[17:41]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377420 << sooo whom do we negrate, whose vpatches get un-vified ?? l0l	[17:41]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 20:38:25; deedbot-: [Qntra] Linux Keyrings Bug Dates Back To 3.8 Kernel - http://qntra.net/2016/01/linux-keyrings-bug-dates-back-to-3-8-kernel/	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	heh	[17:42]
ascii_butugychag	gotta love this homogeneous mass of 'foss', that 'came from nowhere', written by 'no one'	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[17:43]
ascii_butugychag	like buying a briquet of pressed cockroaches at the butcher's.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	aaand 27.64mb worth of mempool	[17:45]
ascii_butugychag	'Quoting directly from its manpage, the keyrings facility is primarily a way for drivers to retain or cache security data, authentication keys, encryption keys and other data in the kernel.' << i don't recall asking for this to be a thing.	[17:45]
ascii_butugychag	anybody ?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	course it was more like 120 earlier	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag im sure it was consensus comunity and all that.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	innovated.	[17:46]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: trb mempool is 25MB perhaps... up to five minutes after warmup ?	[17:46]
ascii_butugychag	and then into the stratosphere	[17:46]
ascii_butugychag	so turns out mircea_popescu has a mempool garbagecollector, l0l	[17:46]
ascii_butugychag	wish he'd share. even the pseudocode.	[17:47]
*	BingoBoingo has small mempool thanks to 100kilo satoshi per kb inclusion requirement	[17:47]
*	mircea_popescu doesn't actually know how this magic worx.	[17:47]
ascii_butugychag	whatever pedagogic point mircea_popescu was trying to make by not giving the answer away, imho is made...	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	but there's only 9006 txn / 28.00 mb worth of mempool atm altogether.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	da hex do you see ?	[17:48]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: yeah but in trb that 25MB goes with 500MB of frag gap	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	ah, noboduy's counting actual ram.	[17:48]
ascii_butugychag	ah then ok	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	this is you know, "sum total bytes as if they went into blocks"	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	all from the blockspace perspective.	[17:49]
ascii_butugychag	makes sense.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	so far my response to THAT problem was... buy moar ram.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	which is how come i even know people who can digest the concept of stuffing 256gb in a box.	[17:50]
ascii_butugychag	one does run out of holes for it, eventually	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	well we're not there yet.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	but iirc this was mentioned and discussed a year ago, part and parcel of all the "Scaling" bs is a sheer cluelessness as to what a node actually is / what it does / how it looks.	[17:51]
ascii_butugychag	the other thing is that the operations involved in processing a new tx are O(function of mempool size)	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	there's a few things like that.	[17:52]
ascii_butugychag	n log n for the worst, iirc	[17:52]
ascii_butugychag	from my last analysis	[17:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93136 @ 0.00055831 = 51.9988 BTC [-] {2}	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	lol apparently 21co held a "hackathon" paying 400 to the first guy to order pizza with their whatever it is	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	they discovered this can't actually be done.	[17:53]
pete_dushenski	mega-lulz	[17:54]
ascii_butugychag	400 of what?	[17:54]
ascii_butugychag	gold dubloons ?	[17:54]
pete_dushenski	at least 21 has lightbulbs to see and toasters to toast	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	400 bux.	[17:55]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/01/19/r-i-p-bitcoin-its-time-to-move-on/ << this is actually the first fucking time washpo did something useful.	[17:56]
assbot	R.I.P. Bitcoin. It’s time to move on. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qm7IzY )	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	yes, please : move the fuck on.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	we want you today just as much as we wanted you back in 2012.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	"adoption".	[17:56]
pete_dushenski	!up ascii_butugychag	[17:57]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: 400 bux buys what? one tire for my car? l0l	[17:57]
ascii_butugychag	for 400 ~btc~, i will write it in brainfuck, to run on dead squirrel in cardboard box	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	kids.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	no dude, you don't understand. 21co. it's not a bitcoin company.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	what bitcoin.	[17:58]
ascii_butugychag	(as BingoBoingo prolly knows, dead squirrels in shoeboxes run netbsd.)	[17:58]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: 400 bux buys what? one tire for my car? l0l << 400 bux could reshoe my entire car. You certainly are spending too much on car bezzle!	[17:58]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Dead squirrel is best embedded computing platform	[17:59]
BingoBoingo	Lots of watts of power released in decomposition	[17:59]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: i thought it was a usg-powered co. and therefore could as easily dispense btc (obtained from prisoners, or toomim) as gold dubloons	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	this is something you keep stating as fact, i keep laughing at, and you keep stating as fact.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	then when reality contradicts you... i guess will continue, because hey. gotta believe usg is the little shitengine that can.	[18:00]
ascii_butugychag	perhaps mircea_popescu is posting from the future, from among the ruins	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	only thing it could do passibly atm is suck cock, and thats the one thing it's ideologically committed to not doing.	[18:00]
ascii_butugychag	where yes, usg doing anything but fertilizing the grass from underneath is laughable	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	but i guess in time that'll dissolve also.	[18:01]
ascii_butugychag	over here where i live, usg printing press still buys plenty	[18:01]
pete_dushenski	400 bounty is less than elementary school science fair. seriously.	[18:02]
pete_dushenski	usg is poorer than local community league or something	[18:02]
ascii_butugychag	which is why the 400 thing is a joke	[18:02]
ascii_butugychag	trollbait	[18:02]
ascii_butugychag	do you see nsa putting 400 usd bounty on breaking rsa ?	[18:03]
pete_dushenski	400 on kim jong un's head maybe	[18:03]
pete_dushenski	so, he lives.	[18:03]
pete_dushenski	so pizza stays unordered.	[18:03]
BingoBoingo	In other news Clitler MS Exchange scandal is escalating. Not just Top Seekrit nao. Special Access, and Compartmented shit nao. Time to count her lizard scales	[18:03]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally, kennedy put $1 on castro's head once	[18:03]
ascii_butugychag	as a deliberate thing	[18:03]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: link?	[18:04]
pete_dushenski	speaking of pizzalulz : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw	[18:04]
assbot	Pizza Hut Gorbachev TV Spot Commercial :60 International version - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDHVOQ )	[18:04]
ascii_butugychag	^famous	[18:05]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Just heard on KMOX, no link yet	[18:05]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: can see why.	[18:05]
BingoBoingo	Seriously AM radio is best RSS feed	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	aaand we're back to 6 blocks in 2 hours levels.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[18:05]
BingoBoingo	Makes no demands on eyes	[18:05]
gribble	Time since last block: 23 minutes and 16 seconds	[18:05]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: fine for me because i don't think tevye's processing them any faster than that. was stuck on 022 for like 4 hours. now stuck on 029	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	kik	[18:07]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: you realize that it isn't actually sitting and verifying the block, right ?	[18:08]
pete_dushenski	yes. it's trying to play submarine in swamp.	[18:09]
ascii_butugychag	aha.	[18:09]
pete_dushenski	sans periscope	[18:09]
ascii_butugychag	the evaluator, if you will, is single-threaded.	[18:09]
ascii_butugychag	if it is chewing on crapolade, it is not eating the next valid block.	[18:09]
pete_dushenski	sadly, but persistently, this is the case, yes.	[18:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232700 @ 0.00056287 = 130.9798 BTC [+]	[18:16]
pete_dushenski	more wapo gold (teeth?) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/19/israeli-parents-wondered-why-school-trips-to-auschwitz-cost-so-much-the-answer-may-be-price-fixing/	[18:17]
assbot	Israeli parents wondered why school trips to Auschwitz cost so much. The answer may be price-fixing. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDIRTr )	[18:17]
pete_dushenski	"Papers that describe harmful effects to animals fed genetically modified (GM) crops are under scrutiny for alleged data manipulation. The leaked findings of an ongoing investigation at the University of Naples in Italy suggest that images in the papers may have been intentionally altered. The leader of the lab that carried out the work there says that there is no substance to this claim. The papers’ findings run c	[18:20]
pete_dushenski	to those of numerous safety tests carried out by food and drug agencies around the world, which indicate that there are no dangers associated with eating GM food." << in still other news, if you don't agree with party line, you're a wrecker. more at 11.	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	'The allegations of extrajudicial killings are just the latest problem between Wallstrom and Israel, and they are just one of a number of disputes the Swedish foreign minister has found herself embroiled in since entering office in October 2014. Sweden has been pursuing what has been called a "feminist foreign policy" since then – one that has led to notable diplomatic spats with Morocco	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	and Saudi Arabia.' << wat	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	again with 'gm food'	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	about as interesting a category as 'cryptocurrencies'	[18:21]
pete_dushenski	s/gm/transgenic	[18:21]
pete_dushenski	if it makes you feel better	[18:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146350 @ 0.00055517 = 81.2491 BTC [-] {3}	[18:21]
ascii_butugychag	mno.	[18:21]
ascii_butugychag	it is mendacious framing.	[18:22]
ascii_butugychag	any and every time it is uttered.	[18:22]
pete_dushenski	aha. http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/14/peter-diamandis-is-a-lab-modified-organism/	[18:23]
assbot	Peter Diamandis Is A Lab Modified Organism \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDJfBp )	[18:23]
pete_dushenski	"lmo"	[18:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212635 @ 0.00054916 = 116.7706 BTC [-] {7}	[18:23]
ascii_butugychag	same issue there	[18:24]
ascii_butugychag	i can't walk into a shop and buy 'gmo food', i can buy crud soaked in monsanto herbicide	[18:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46465 @ 0.00054771 = 25.4493 BTC [-]	[18:24]
BingoBoingo	i can't walk into a shop and buy 'gmo food', i can buy crud soaked in monsanto herbicide << this	[18:27]
ascii_butugychag	to frame the conversation as being particularly 'about genes' is a deliberate and carefully-constructed memetic gambit by monsanto et al	[18:27]
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trinque	!up ascii_butugychag	[18:29]
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ascii_butugychag	the automatic implication is that, e.g., tasteless tomatoes are a-ok so long as they are ~selectively bred~ for truck endurance rather than 'gmo'-d, for instance	[18:30]
ascii_butugychag	the other thing is that the 'gmo' hysterial supports an entire hipster pseudoindustry of 'organic'	[18:31]
ascii_butugychag	*hysteria	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	so would you be happy if we move on from "genetically engineered" to "monsanto engineered" ?	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	really the objection is the particularly inept "technology" used.	[18:31]
ascii_butugychag	it would not especially matter if they had spiffy and reliable technology.	[18:31]
ascii_butugychag	the ~end~ is evil.	[18:31]
ascii_butugychag	the purpose - cheap food at all costs.	[18:32]
ascii_butugychag	as described in an old mircea_popescu article, it is from ~this premise~ that the other atrocities flow	[18:33]
ascii_butugychag	the premise that 'we need cheaper, above all else, food, so that all may eat'	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	yea well.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	actually im writing an article that's apropos. brb	[18:34]
ascii_butugychag	in that light monsanto is just a devil conjured up by the premise.	[18:34]
ascii_butugychag	it necessarily appears. if not monsanto, then dow chemical, or somebody else.	[18:34]
BingoBoingo	ADM, etc	[18:37]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: you live in usistan and ~don't~ buy organic fruits&vegetables ? not that 'usda organic' is much to go on, nor that it's readily distinguishable which of the 35 ~other~ organic brands is meaningful, but none of them are worse than "normal", ie. tasteless tomatoes	[18:38]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: i sure as fuck buy. but also understand that i am stuck paying for voodoo claptrap at the same time as the reduced poison, you cannot bid for them separately	[18:39]
ascii_butugychag	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1260587	[18:39]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 01:38:03; asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop	[18:39]
ascii_butugychag	or rather, starting with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260586	[18:39]
assbot	Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones	[18:39]
ascii_butugychag	i can buy 'organic' veggies, but it is MANDATORILY in a shop that also sells homeopathic cures.	[18:40]
pete_dushenski	market for rich folks isn't infinitely deep, what.	[18:40]
ascii_butugychag	(except for when the farmer's market is in season)	[18:40]
pete_dushenski	it's like whining that eizo doesn't make 40" vertical monitors with 1mm bezels	[18:41]
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pete_dushenski	and 600 dpi. b&w	[18:41]
ascii_butugychag	nah more like whining that one can't get 400 dpi panel except from crapple	[18:41]
ascii_butugychag	which happens to be, afaik, true	[18:42]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: normal grocery store doesn't sell organic veggies in dc ??!	[18:42]
pete_dushenski	this is sop here. even cut-cost grocers.	[18:42]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: they sometimes ~claim~ to, and it tastes like shit	[18:42]
pete_dushenski	aha. there's that too, yes.	[18:43]
ascii_butugychag	i'm talking about actual, vs. claimed.	[18:43]
pete_dushenski	;;tslb	[18:43]
gribble	Time since last block: 37 seconds	[18:43]
ascii_butugychag	this is the other thing, why should i give A FUCK about PROVENANCE	[18:43]
pete_dushenski	?????!	[18:43]
ascii_butugychag	when all i care about is taste and poison - the latter is objectively quantifiable	[18:43]
ascii_butugychag	provenance is a proxy for physical fact	[18:43]
ascii_butugychag	i'm not buying rembrandts	[18:44]
pete_dushenski	what kind of fucking anti-wot thinking is that ?!	[18:44]
pete_dushenski	nihil fit ex nihilo	[18:44]
ascii_butugychag	think about it	[18:44]
ascii_butugychag	if it were possible to 'replicate' a prime grade tomato, for the cost of mains power, would you eat it ?	[18:44]
ascii_butugychag	i would.	[18:44]
pete_dushenski	how do you intend to determine lack of poison w/o provenance exactly ?	[18:45]
ascii_butugychag	with a gc/ms ?	[18:45]
pete_dushenski	?	[18:45]
ascii_butugychag	perhaps i'll hire PeterL to do it.	[18:45]
ascii_butugychag	iirc he specializes in this.	[18:45]
ascii_butugychag	y'know, what dope aficionados do for dope	[18:45]
ascii_butugychag	take a spectrum.	[18:45]
ascii_butugychag	gc, ms, ir, nmr, etc	[18:45]
pete_dushenski	for every tomato....	[18:46]
ascii_butugychag	who said 'every.'	[18:46]
pete_dushenski	sounds like a make-work project for the slave army you don't have	[18:46]
pete_dushenski	w/o provenance, there is only every.	[18:46]
ascii_butugychag	it would be regardless. because provenance guarantees nothing, the soil in which perfectly traditional tomato grew could have strontium, etc.	[18:47]
ascii_butugychag	and obviously we cannot dispense with provenance. but i must point out that it is a ~proxy~	[18:47]
ascii_butugychag	rather than the thing actually sought after	[18:47]
ascii_butugychag	does this make sense ?	[18:47]
pete_dushenski	looks to me like you're trying to cleave uncleavables	[18:49]
pete_dushenski	like you want organic spherical carrots made in attic	[18:50]
ascii_butugychag	they are only uncleavables because of tech limitations	[18:50]
ascii_butugychag	rather than philosophically.	[18:50]
pete_dushenski	here we go...	[18:50]
ascii_butugychag	if i could grep a tomato, they would be entirely cleavable.	[18:51]
pete_dushenski	like autonomous cars and benevolent robo-lords ?	[18:51]
danielpbarron	what ascii says about food in d.c. is also true in ct. I must go to the stupid hippy store in which most of the aisles are full of overpriced overhyped nonsense just to get the meat and veggies that actually taste alright and aren't poisoned. At least these hippy stores are frequented by the yoga pants wearing chicks though. The megastores are full of fat zombies; I'd pay extra just to not have to shop around them	[18:51]
jurov	there is no economic incentive for your food controllers not to cheat	[18:51]
ascii_butugychag	i happen to see reasoning about items glued together by happenstance as if they were intrinsically the same, as lame.	[18:51]
pete_dushenski	it's physical reality. it's what it is	[18:51]
pete_dushenski	yes, it has limitations. what of it.	[18:52]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: it is my particular profession to make cuts in it.	[18:52]
pete_dushenski	this isn't software that you just punch a few letters and delete a few lines and voila, new physical reality	[18:52]
jurov	ascii_butugychag: you need food controllers in your wot.. and then simpler to have producers directly	[18:52]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: i don't personally 'gm'. at least, not any more.	[18:53]
jurov	how is this solvable by tech?	[18:53]
BingoBoingo	What, yall can't jsut tear up a chunk of yard and toss some seeds on the ground?	[18:53]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: detecting some of the more common adulterants is not hard at all	[18:53]
ascii_butugychag	that you cannot buy a ready instrument for this at the local hardware shop, is a political phenomenon	[18:54]
ascii_butugychag	vs engineering limit	[18:54]
jurov	missing nutrients are equally as big problem as adulterants	[18:54]
jurov	now go try to ennumerate all of them	[18:54]
ascii_butugychag	that's sorta what your mouth is for	[18:55]
ascii_butugychag	it - ordinarily - works.	[18:55]
pete_dushenski	danielpbarron: yoga pants chicks are in both kinds of stores here, but i guess our "normal" grocery stores in alberta are fucking deeeelux in 99.999% of the world. the hippie stores here aren't so bad but their staffs are beyond useless and the sanitation is definitely sub-par.	[18:55]
ascii_butugychag	pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.	[18:56]
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pete_dushenski	save-on-foods by my place is like the fucking kadewe in berlin	[18:56]
ascii_butugychag	the whole point of engineering is to cut apart the happenstance-linked crud from what you actually want.	[18:57]
jurov	ascii_butugychag: but your tech solution stems from not having to taste everything, or?	[18:57]
jurov	and if you can't detect adulterants, why do you think you can detect all nutrients?	[18:57]
jurov	by taste	[18:57]
BingoBoingo	;;nethash	[18:57]
gribble	852928469.657	[18:57]
thestringpuller	"Like your father, you lack the courage to do all that is necessary. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them, and stab them in the heart." << srsly Nolan had some good writing in that movie.	[18:58]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: it's a start.	[18:58]
pete_dushenski	ascii_butugychag: inventor made domes and pills, yes, but 'rhythm method' ?	[18:58]
pete_dushenski	not that 'rhythm method' is anywhere near perfect, but better than 'always is a good time'	[18:58]
ascii_butugychag	aha the 'don't do it when actually horny' method	[18:59]
ascii_butugychag	mega-tech.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377590 << for cheese i care.	[18:59]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 21:42:41; ascii_butugychag: i'm not buying rembrandts	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	come to think of it, for women, too.	[18:59]
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mircea_popescu	no matter how she looks, ceteris paribus an usian girl is worth less than a russian girl.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[18:59]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[18:59]
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ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: but it is because of the cockroaches in her head	[19:00]
ascii_butugychag	rather than the mere fact of which continent.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377599 << this is rank nonsense. "list all the things that aren't in this box"	[19:00]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 21:43:56; ascii_butugychag: perhaps i'll hire PeterL to do it.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	you can't even list them, you're gonna test for them too ?	[19:00]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: fortunately the question is never about the set of ~all possible~ things	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag even if grown exactly the same in every way, which is what ceteris paribus means	[19:00]
ascii_butugychag	but specific persilences	[19:00]
ascii_butugychag	*pestilences	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	not specific, is the problem.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	1940 list wouldn't include thaliomide.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	they recently discovered that it's quite likely alzheimer's is a prion based infectious disease,	[19:01]
ascii_butugychag	was speaking of produce	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	spread of all things through root canals	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	(the tools aren't disinfected to that standard)	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	so... you don't know.	[19:01]
ascii_butugychag	uncle al had a piece on this	[19:01]
ascii_butugychag	circa 1990s	[19:01]
*	danielpbarron has never had a cavity or tooth pulled :D	[19:02]
ascii_butugychag	but yes, discussion was ~specifically~ re: known adulterants	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	i'd take provenance over "known list"	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	because i know a lot more about a clean spot than you';ll know about your list.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	"my folk lived here 2400 years"	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	beat that.	[19:02]
ascii_butugychag	i can think of a few very gamma-backgroundy places where 'my folk lived 2400 y'	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, the argument is made. now it's a matter of quantification.	[19:03]
jurov	ascii_butugychag: do you approach this way the software you're going to use too? just check for known adulterants?	[19:04]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: that would be hilariously stupid ?	[19:04]
jurov	same with food	[19:05]
deedbot-	[Trilema] That's right, time to move on. Please do. Bitcoin is really not for you. - http://trilema.com/2016/thats-right-time-to-move-on-please-do-bitcoin-is-really-not-for-you/	[19:05]
ascii_butugychag	seems like nobody grasped the actual point i was trying to make - where the provenance is a means to an end (clean tomato) rather than the end	[19:05]
ascii_butugychag	but i can't think of any reason why anyone should give a fuck re: the difference presently, so count me as sold	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	jurov: that would be hilariously stupid ? << loller.	[19:06]
jurov	i did grasp it but, that's why i asked about software	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	but alfie! MITIGATITS!	[19:06]
ascii_butugychag	thing is, ascertaining anything useful about software is undecidable	[19:06]
jurov	same with food, again	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	you think too highly of chem analytics. also undecidable.	[19:07]
ascii_butugychag	depends, again, what you're looking for (specific item, or general toxicology - which ~is~ undecidable)	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	are you looking for working software or merely software that never croaks on like 666 ?	[19:07]
ascii_butugychag	i once tried to get a few american biochemists interested in a portable tox panel for mushrooms	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	on line *	[19:08]
ascii_butugychag	idea went, unsurprisingly, nowhere	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	what american goes shrooming ?	[19:08]
ascii_butugychag	none.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	old women where the fall colors are pretty do.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	they... also know the shrooms.	[19:08]
ascii_butugychag	and the only folks who'd show up would be the predatory lawyers	[19:08]
ascii_butugychag	waiting for an erring sapper	[19:08]
pete_dushenski	http://samuelrpatterson.com/line-by-line-response-to-wapo-r-i-p-bitcoin-article/ << like a redditardo version of latest trilema. lulzy to compare the two.	[19:08]
assbot	Line by Line Response to WaPo “R.I.P. Bitcoin” Article \| Samuel R. Patterson ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2iXye )	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	who's the guy ?	[19:09]
pete_dushenski	"I’m a husband and father of three living in Virginia. I’m an author and tech enthusiast. Most of my passion is dedicated to Bitcoin and other emerging technologies that have the potential to dramatically improve people’s lives." << website lists pgp key too. self-hosted an everythin	[19:10]
pete_dushenski	though, "Version: GnuPG v2.0.21-beta20 (MingW32)"	[19:10]
BingoBoingo	what american goes shrooming ? << Plenty. How else does one get Morels???	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski so mebbe invite him over.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	at least guy's tryin'...	[19:11]
pete_dushenski	totally.	[19:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00056016 = 18.1772 BTC [+] {3}	[19:12]
ascii_butugychag	MingW32 << l0l!!	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	every time i see that i think "wh othe fuck would use gw-basic"	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	then head goes "no mp, that's a different unusable contondent item"	[19:14]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: s/plain/plane	[19:14]
ascii_butugychag	or hm, nm, i hallucinated it	[19:15]
phf	probably not a manual build, just stock gnupg win32 builds are done with ming?	[19:15]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu> what american goes shrooming ? << high-seekers and they call it "hunting" i think	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	oh that.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	myeah. k	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag huh ?!	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	ah ok. i was about to scream @editor for missing one AGAIN. but no!	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	i was scammed!	[19:18]
pete_dushenski	go figure that mingw32 key block ~doesn't import~. ferfuxsake.	[19:19]
danielpbarron	i used to hang out on the shroomery irc server; even met some of them in person	[19:19]
pete_dushenski	key block hosted at mit, does.	[19:19]
phf	pete_dushenski: copy paste from that site imports just fine	[19:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49820 @ 0.00056078 = 27.9381 BTC [+] {2}	[19:25]
pete_dushenski	phf: weird. anyways, invite sent.	[19:26]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "Radeon Refresh Gets Shrink To 14 nm" < don't you mean shrunk ?	[19:30]
thestringpuller	wow these people LOVE welfare: https://bitcoinclassic.com/adopt.html	[19:45]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: "Shrink" is a noun in this context	[19:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> what american goes shrooming ? << high-seekers and they call it "hunting" i think << But also people who want to eat delicious morels	[19:51]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "the toomim clown received some bad news, with which he coped in the usual manner : by having a rather amusing public meltdown under the influence." << what are you referencing here? Can't seem to find reference in logs	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	oh	[19:53]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it's in the comment section of the linked article. adlai linked the dpaste iirc here.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	!up toffoo	[19:55]
-assbot-	You voiced toffoo for 30 minutes.	[19:55]
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mats	http://deedbot.org/deed-393913-1.txt << says 'January the 18th 2014, Bitcoin blockchain # 393903'	[19:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QcBpkS )	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	is it just me or is the new trilema header just a big black hole ?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	" To show our appreciation, Bitcoin Classic is announcing the Adopt-A-Developer program. The community can sponsor their favorite Bitcoin developers at our website. "	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	what is this inept bs! "to show our appreciation for other people, you can now buy our shit!"	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	mats: it's in the logs	[19:56]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: https://archive.is/p8Lyo	[19:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QcBrt1 )	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	mats i added one the wrong way!	[19:56]
*	mircea_popescu has spent his time teaching womenz to cook salmon right, and french fries, and also crimp cables and so on. for this /me gets to sit here and enjoy the view.	[19:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51320 @ 0.00055437 = 28.4503 BTC [-] {2}	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	lyf is swyt.	[19:58]
BingoBoingo	"p2phash [10:04 PM] got to be a bot." << lol, this is why bongs get people busted or USG-Agentified	[19:59]
thestringpuller	poor tommy chong. although he was treated very well in prison	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377629 << i am now growing lovage. by all signs, thisis the first time the deliciouys weed made it to argentina.	[20:00]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 21:52:02; BingoBoingo: What, yall can't jsut tear up a chunk of yard and toss some seeds on the ground?	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	no idea how zee germans lived without.	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	Seriously	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	And actual tomatoes never travel well, which ought to drive growing one's own	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377638 << you pick examples close to our heart.	[20:01]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 21:55:12; ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.	[20:01]
*	BingoBoingo supposes it is masochism that keeps alf trading web dev in enjoyable real food pickup truck US and instead suffering east coast living to do not so brain killing mathsmaths	[20:04]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[20:04]
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thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: this is gold.	[20:04]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: wai wut	[20:05]
ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377762 << it is how i see the role of the inventor. sex ad libitum goes with horde of offsprint, ~until doesn't~; being 50 goes with no longer able to read, until it doesn't; night goes with can't-make-the-slaves-work, until doesn't; etc	[20:06]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 22:59:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377638 << you pick examples close to our heart.	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	!up SamPatt	[20:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132403 @ 0.00056131 = 74.3191 BTC [+] {4}	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Earlier this week rando company in trenton, IL was advertising php developer job@75k in buy house for 50kilodollar country	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[20:06]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: you understand that it also goes with fungibility, right ?	[20:07]
pete_dushenski	o hey SamPatt	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	i'd ALMOST pay that much to make alf php	[20:07]
SamPatt	hello pete_dushenski	[20:07]
SamPatt	Thanks for the invite	[20:07]
pete_dushenski	SamPatt: thanks for accepting the invitation :)	[20:07]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Fungability for people willing to both PHP and pickup truck country, still job appears filled	[20:07]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: aha, of course filled !	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	SamPatt ah you the guy with a blog and a proper pgp key on it ?	[20:07]
ascii_butugychag	today with mr. today, tomorrow with mr. tomorrow, etc	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	aww	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	Was on Dice.com at "Jim's Formal Wear"	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	this should be a sketch.	[20:08]
SamPatt	Yes, "proper key" I see my Win32 wasn't terribly impressive to some, haha	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[20:08]
SamPatt	I've been on quite the learning curve the past few years.	[20:08]
pete_dushenski	heh we have some, how shall we call them, purists in the room.	[20:08]
pete_dushenski	SamPatt: had you heard of #b-a before today ?	[20:09]
SamPatt	Well I've gone a bit down the rabbit hole myself after being involved more in Bitcoin and OpenBazaar	[20:09]
SamPatt	No I haven't	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	now ima have to go read this guy's article.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	i blame pete.	[20:09]
pete_dushenski	:P	[20:09]
thestringpuller	wtf is this Slack shit.	[20:09]
thestringpuller	IRC wasn't good enough so they rebranded it with CSS and flashy stuff for the ADHD children?!?!?	[20:10]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi	[20:10]
SamPatt	What's the goal of this channel?	[20:10]
thestringpuller	to take over the world	[20:10]
pete_dushenski	SamPatt: quite simply, this is where bitcoin policy is set	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	"Vivek Wadhwa is an American technology entrepreneur and academic.[2] He is a fellow at the Rock Center for Corporate Governance (a joint initiative of Stanford Law School and Stanford Graduate School of Business); A Distinguished Fellow of Policy & Research at Singularity University; the Director of Research at the Center for Entrepreneurship and Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering, Duke Univ	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	ersity;[3] and the author of the 2014 book Innovating Women: The Changing Face of Technology.[4][5]"	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	awww!	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	check it out, another one!	[20:10]
ascii_butugychag	singul0l	[20:11]
ascii_butugychag	a thiel catamite, a whole one, no less	[20:11]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377798 <<< basically yes	[20:11]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:41; thestringpuller: IRC wasn't good enough so they rebranded it with CSS and flashy stuff for the ADHD children?!?!?	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	SamPatt "Fighting for survival means that Bitcoin is nearing collapse. It may not survive if people don’t keep fighting for it. This is a strong claim; let’s see if he follows this up with any evidence." << a more important point would be... fighting with WHOM ?	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	"It is true that a prominent member of the Bitcoin community quit, leading to a 10% drop in Bitcoin price. " << quite untrue. why not propose that random derp nobody took seriously quitting lead to the turmoil on chinese stock market ?	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	maybe it was all because of hearn!!1	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	SamPatt: aside from that, #b-a is a forum for news, debate, development, and light lulz.	[20:12]
SamPatt	Yes, it's a good point. He's not clear about who is fighting, about what, or why.	[20:12]
SamPatt	I didn't want to make it a "Is Hearn a core dev or not?" blog post, but just gave him the point on that. I do later say it's a non-event, because in the grand scheme I agree it wasn't important.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	"Who are these anarchists and what are they doing? " << oho.	[20:13]
SamPatt	haha	[20:13]
*	SamPatt chuckles	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	!s insurection	[20:13]
assbot	5 results for 'insurection' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=insurection	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	o, 5, not even that bad.	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	!s Oregon Liberation	[20:14]
assbot	2 results for 'Oregon Liberation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Oregon+Liberation	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	SamPatt "Bitcoin isn’t a ponzi scheme by any stretch of the imagination. Ponzi schemes are fraud; there is no real investment taking place. Bitcoin is a real thing, used around the world constantly." << this makes no sense.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	stamps are also "a real thing". original ponzi was a stamps deal.	[20:14]
SamPatt	Ponzi schemes are just fraud, there's nothing of value being done. What I'm trying to get across is that with Bitcoin something of value is actually happening (transactions).	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	anyway, you have more patience than i do, the nth bhagwan chowdhry is really no different from the n-1th	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	SamPatt transactions also happened with the original ponzi.	[20:15]
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SamPatt	Only transactions relating to the scheme, correct? Perhaps I'm not familiar with the original scheme itself, but as Ponzi scheme is regularly defined today it's just taking in new money to give returns to older players. There's no transactions occurring except to continue this fraud.	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	but those are in point of fact transactions.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	you know the excellent "Color of bits" essay ?	[20:19]
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copypaste	http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	aha	[20:21]
SamPatt	Unless he's proposing that all Bitcoin transactions are only being done to perpetuate further fraud then it's not a ponzi. Since I use Bitcoin for transactions that are for other purposes, it's clearly not ponzi	[20:21]
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copypaste	who is arguing that it is in here?	[20:22]
copypaste	or are you just arguing against some strawman opponent SamPatt ?	[20:22]
cazalla	thestringpuller, stay up all night chatting together? sounds gay! :P	[20:22]
copypaste	I prefer having my chats in groups of 3.	[20:22]
SamPatt	Just talking to mircea_popescu	[20:23]
thestringpuller	cazalla: LOL! "Nigga u gay."	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	but you can't distinguish transaction from transaction. what know you of its meaning ?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	(in the other view : all currency is always and necessarily a ponzi scheme. and "fraudulent" in a sense.)	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	arguing with some idiot that said "bitcoin is a ponzi scheme" is a waste of time. the relevant point is that Bitcoin is less of a ponzi scheme than the us dollar is.	[20:24]
cazalla	asciilifeform, pete_dushenski aren't those eizo ev2455 eye strain city with a 60hz refresh rate? prefer 120hz/144hz master race here	[20:25]
pete_dushenski	not at all.	[20:25]
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cazalla	ignoring gaming, figured you'd see tearing when scrolling	[20:26]
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pete_dushenski	i must scroll too slow. i ~am~ a bit of a turtle.	[20:27]
pete_dushenski	!up buZz	[20:27]
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buZz	hi :)	[20:27]
copypaste	cazalla: "smooth scrolling" is an abomination	[20:28]
pete_dushenski	buZz: howdy. and who might you be ?	[20:28]
buZz	i am me	[20:28]
cazalla	copypaste, why so? it annoys me and hurts muh eyes	[20:28]
copypaste	i think you answered your own question just now, no ?	[20:29]
buZz	just weirdly found #bitcoin-assets logs in a images.google search on 'zipit z2 size comparison'	[20:29]
buZz	this channel is the source of the first pr0n in that image search	[20:29]
cazalla	copypaste, how so? i see the tearing on anything less than 120hz, still can see it on 120hz but isn't as noticable	[20:30]
pete_dushenski	buZz: bwahahaha. that's awesome.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron here's a lulzy bit : all these schmucks worried about "scaling bitcoin" could, for the price of a gpg key, make themselves an eulora account. trade bitcoin with everyone instantly for free!	[20:30]
copypaste	ah ha, but tearing shouldn't be seen without smooth scrolling	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	derps not looking for solutions, looking for handouts.	[20:30]
*	danielpbarron nods	[20:30]
buZz	pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353403	[20:30]
assbot	Logged on 26-12-2015 00:38:33; okcupidslut: https://36.media.tumblr.com/74d1486c81d76777ab0c38070f89d6bf/tumblr_nzxw8qDQIj1v0e7i8o1_1280.jpg	[20:30]
buZz	and lo and behold	[20:30]
buZz	16:12:13asciilifeform:punkman, jurov: i have a similar device, 'zipit'	[20:30]
buZz	16:12:50asciilifeform:http://linux.zipitwireless.com	[20:30]
cazalla	copypaste, i'm probably using the wrong word (smooth scrolling) to say what i mean	[20:31]
punkman	buZz: lol	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	lol win. she's got nice tits anyway.	[20:31]
trinque	cazalla: v-sync prolly	[20:31]
cazalla	trinque, nah, it's off	[20:31]
buZz	^_^ i just bought one just looking around	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	sluts drive conversion, who knew!	[20:32]
buZz	i can use another channel to idle in, do you mind?	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'ma bbl.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	no buZz. if you want to be able to voice register your pgp key with assbot.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	otherwise idling is free.	[20:33]
shinohai	;;ticker --market all	[20:33]
buZz	why no btc key	[20:33]
punkman	!s zipit	[20:33]
assbot	4 results for 'zipit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zipit	[20:33]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 379.3, vol: 6904.79940242 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.9, vol: 6111.80364 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 379.81, vol: 16726.88525177 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 0.88964263 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.967905, vol: 39030.35780000 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 390.470578175, vol: 74.43725755 \| Volume-weighted last average: 384.102345467	[20:33]
buZz	lol cpumining sha256 :)	[20:34]
danielpbarron	can't encrypt messages to a btc key	[20:35]
buZz	danielpbarron: yeah you can	[20:35]
buZz	oh	[20:35]
buZz	wait, no	[20:35]
punkman	can't encrypt to btc address	[20:35]
buZz	only sign	[20:35]
punkman	you can encrypt to key	[20:35]
buZz	but its about authentication right, so even with signature i could proof i am me for i have this address	[20:36]
danielpbarron	and also because not everything needs to be the same thing, and also simply because.	[20:36]
buZz	:)	[20:36]
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danielpbarron	it's way easier to authenticate via decryption	[20:37]
pete_dushenski	!up SamPatt	[20:37]
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buZz	i like how bitcoin has all these clusters of people, with all very different societal structures and narratives	[20:37]
buZz	i'll stay pgpless, do as you wish ;)	[20:37]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-39249 << latest h8er lulz.	[20:37]
assbot	A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1lsTnER )	[20:37]
punkman	buZz: why don't you like pgp?	[20:38]
danielpbarron	buZz, s'ok you need to lurk for 6 months anyway; by the end of that you'll either have left or have a key	[20:38]
buZz	punkman: i just dont like to change routine	[20:39]
thestringpuller	slack is so shitty. the logging is completely ineffective. oh and they want you to pay for extra logs? i can't even...	[20:40]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377901 <<< Ethereum supporters are just plain insufferable.	[20:41]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 23:36:33; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-39249 << latest h8er lulz.	[20:41]
punkman	/me hopes for "P" in 6 months	[20:42]
trinque	^	[20:42]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: pretty much	[20:43]
pete_dushenski	punkman: do you add a space before '/me' or is your irc client b0rked ?	[20:43]
punkman	I don't	[20:43]
gernika	thestringpuller: I can't fathom slack. There are already a ton of manager friendly centralized IRC services out there.	[20:43]
trinque	/fix punkman	[20:43]
pete_dushenski	heh	[20:44]
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punkman	I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool.	[20:50]
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linton_s_dawson	I'm looking to research the "v" thing you've bee talking about but searching for the letter "v" in the logs is obviously not working that well. Can anyone point me in the right direction?	[20:52]
thestringpuller	linton_s_dawson: the mailing list	[20:52]
punkman	yes, good point about single character naming of projects	[20:52]
danielpbarron	linton_s_dawson, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin << the instructions here involve using V, and you'll also end up with a working bitcoind	[20:53]
assbot	the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )	[20:53]
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linton_s_dawson	I'll read up on that now, thanks. Also, interesting to see you support (or at least are not against) a new PoW that will destroy most miners.	[20:55]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41risp/m_toomim_gets_high_harasses_developers_on_chat/	[20:56]
assbot	M Toomim gets high, harasses developers on chat likely violating Heretic Client "code of conduct" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyEeQs )	[20:56]
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jurov	linton_s_dawson: it's kinda obvious since miners don't come here...	[20:58]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A eulogy : Mike Hearn (2013-16) - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/19/a-eulogy-mike-hearn-2013-16/	[21:00]
pete_dushenski	and with that, ima take my leave. cheers !	[21:00]
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shinohai	These adorable little coke straws: http://i.imgur.com/wzKHCJ1.jpg	[21:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RyFrHB )	[21:12]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41ge93/bitcoin_classic_is_possibly_a_takeover_attempt_by/cz2c58a >> "Thirdly, the guy is massively obese. Now, as the sophisticated redditor you presume yourself to be, you may claim that I'm using ad-hominem attacks and will now sit back as if you were a learned professor of Latin, but please consider that anyone as grossly obese as Marshall Long is lacking in self-discipline and self-con	[21:18]
BingoBoingo	trol which just happen to be 2 qualities crucial to being a sound businessman."	[21:18]
assbot	marshmellow_long comments on Bitcoin Classic is possibly a Takeover Attempt by Cryptsy and Marshall Long of FinalHash to dump Worthless Coins on Depositers ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyFSBP )	[21:18]
BingoBoingo	"They have opted to open a GoFundMe to help fatties get scooters like the one Elizabeth loved so much." >> http://notyourgoodfatty.com/naafa-fat-activist-dies-at-the-age-of-55/	[21:24]
assbot	NAAFA fat activist dies at the age of 55 - NotYourGoodFatty.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzO2sI )	[21:24]
BingoBoingo	Oh, in reddit land Raping the Fugees is fine, but hating on Hamplanets isn't https://www.reddit.com/r/rapefugees	[21:26]
assbot	Rapefugees NOT welcome! ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzOurb )	[21:26]
shinohai	dafuq is a "Fat Activist"	[21:28]
trinque	certainly not an active fat person	[21:28]
BingoBoingo	lol	[21:30]
BingoBoingo	Seriously though short Tesla and invest in Rascal scooty puffs	[21:33]
punkman	"A friend once asked me to watch a video with her that she was going to display on her computer using Netflix. I declined, saying that Netflix was such an affront to freedom that I could not be party to its use under any circumstances whatsoever." -- RMS	[21:41]
cazalla	punkman, sounds like george constanza and not liking coffee	[21:42]
punkman	the hard life of the RMS groupie	[21:42]
asciilifeform	y'know, if folks had listened to rms, we might still have actual computers.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	(not that it was remotely conceivable that they would have listened, aha)	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	But "Netflix and chill" is the new "come in for coffee"	[21:45]
punkman	asciilifeform: the right folks	[21:45]
punkman	btw does Lemote still make any hardware that don't need blobs?	[21:46]
asciilifeform	it makes ~something~ but it is unobtainable outside cn	[21:47]
asciilifeform	also it switched to using licensed chip masks from the west, a few years back	[21:47]
asciilifeform	which is when i lost what remaining interest i had.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	as for rms, his lemote was stolen, in buenos aires, and - afaik - he was never able to purchase another.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	the thing is a mega-rarity, 'collectible' perhaps at this point, if you come across one, leave it in the crate, sell for $$$$	[21:48]
asciilifeform	fwiw, AMD's G-series chipset will run without blobs.	[21:49]
asciilifeform	(their 'coreboot' aka linuxbios is distributed with binary turds, BUT the source for them is also included, you just need to set up their weird toolchain)	[21:49]
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BingoBoingo	!up drnet	[21:54]
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mod6	<+danielpbarron> ;;later tell mod6 all these big mpoe trades scared away your twatterbot << thanks for the heads up	[21:54]
punkman	https://libreboot.org/faq/#amd libreboot faq is handy	[21:54]
assbot	Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about libreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/23dppqG )	[21:54]
gernika	asciilifeform: does the term "human compiler" reference lisp specifically, in that with lisp you can write code that writes code, thus if you're not using lisp, you're writing code that could have been written by a computer, and are thus "compiling?"	[21:58]
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gernika	also for this question, lisp=common lisp	[22:01]
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punkman	asciilifeform: any devices with AMD G-series?	[22:03]
asciilifeform	punkman: the pcengines box (at least the ones i have)	[22:05]
asciilifeform	possibly other 'low-end' amd	[22:05]
asciilifeform	but, importantly,	[22:05]
asciilifeform	not for long.	[22:05]
asciilifeform	that much is obvious.	[22:05]
asciilifeform	according to the libreboot link, amd has fully caught up with intel in re: usgtronics.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	gernika: very generally, but yes	[22:06]
asciilifeform	gotta love how the coreboot folks pretend that they are somehow still relevant by way of supporting a handful of unobtainable chips	[22:08]
asciilifeform	(srsly, powerpc !?!!)	[22:08]
punkman	http://www.gizmosphere.org/products/gizmo-2/ found one	[22:08]
assbot	Gizmo 2 \| GizmoSphere ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8AbNG )	[22:08]
asciilifeform	punkman: same chipset as in pcengines	[22:09]
asciilifeform	i have a 'gizmo 1'	[22:09]
asciilifeform	these also appeared in some low-end notebooks	[22:09]
punkman	why doesn't libreboot support any g-series?	[22:09]
asciilifeform	iirc it is a 'stable' fork of coreboot	[22:10]
punkman	nah, the difference is they don't allow any blobs	[22:10]
asciilifeform	fwiw the pcengines boards and the 'gizmo' series don't even ship with proprietary bios at all	[22:10]
punkman	maybe nobody's done it yet	[22:10]
asciilifeform	punkman: the g-series coreboot i have here has 'blobs' per the strictest definition, they are - iirc - modify but don't redistribute - licensed by amd	[22:11]
asciilifeform	but came with the src.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	and also they concern acpi, which can be safely ditched if running a sane os	[22:12]
punkman	now if only I could get g-series with ECC I'd be very happy	[22:12]
asciilifeform	punkman: no such thing offered afaik.	[22:12]
asciilifeform	at any rate, i cannot recommend any presently-manufactured x86 chipset except as a 'lesser evil'	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64619 @ 0.0005676 = 36.6777 BTC [+]	[22:14]
asciilifeform	x86 is and was a turd, per se	[22:14]
asciilifeform	partly because it is a catastrophically braindamaged design,	[22:14]
asciilifeform	but partly also because:	[22:14]
asciilifeform	where herd, there turd.	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25631 @ 0.0005676 = 14.5482 BTC [+]	[22:15]
cazalla	added asciilifeform pub key to my .wot and the keyring on this comp, but http://dpaste.com/1D702ZQ.txt	[22:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1n8AQ1K )	[22:20]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317490 << What did you mean by this?	[22:20]
trinque	cazalla: I recall expired key drama in zee logz; iirc asciilifeform has his actual key hosted on loper-os.org	[22:21]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: it is explained in agonizing detail in the logz	[22:21]
asciilifeform	cazalla: where did you get the key ?	[22:21]
asciilifeform	if it is from the original v tarball, that key has an expired selfsig.	[22:21]
cazalla	pgp.mit.edu	[22:21]
asciilifeform	plz get new key from btcalpha or from my site (same modulus, new selfsig)	[22:21]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu ever see film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2375605 ?	[22:25]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:25]
assbot	The Act of Killing (2012) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8BeNV )	[22:25]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski, other rare film aficionados ^	[22:25]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform: i ask cause the thread is disjointed. as you once said before !s doesn't show the entire picture	[22:27]
trinque	asciilifeform: hell of a docu	[22:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00056811 = 46.4998 BTC [+] {2}	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	nope	[22:42]
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mircea_popescu	"With that guy you never know if he has some bizarre reason to believe it's currently 2014 and we're all idiots."	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha win.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	reddit doth deliver.	[22:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75708 @ 0.00056895 = 43.0741 BTC [+] {2}	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377899 << i like that too.	[22:52]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 23:36:09; buZz: i like how bitcoin has all these clusters of people, with all very different societal structures and narratives	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377917 << not a bad incremental improvement but i suspect that whole stack is so thoroughly hated it will get thrown out rather than improved.	[22:53]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 23:48:49; punkman: I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool.	[22:53]
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mircea_popescu	linton_s_dawson http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/ << there's an attempt at a manual. you could also search for vtron and v-tron, alf tens to use it a lot. the mailing list is also a good source.	[22:54]
assbot	The V Manual Genesis on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgC7ZS )	[22:54]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: which stack?	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	the irc bit.	[22:57]
punkman	it's already out	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	a it is isn't it. yeah.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1377944 << it is possible rms never sexed.	[23:00]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 00:41:03; cazalla: punkman, sounds like george constanza and not liking coffee	[23:00]
punkman	I'll post a python POC to the ml perhaps, could just run it before you start the node and it gives you a bunch of IPs to -addnode or -connect to	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	maybe someone wants to use it, sure.	[23:02]
thestringpuller	pretty sure constanza got mad pussy yo	[23:02]
linton_s_dawson	mircea_popescu Thanks, I'll sign up for the mailing list as well.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	you can also read it online. there's a link off ofundation website	[23:03]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377917 << i must point out that the whole 'seeding' concept - as contemplated in the dark ages pre-trb client - is profoundly braindamaged.	[23:04]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 23:48:49; punkman: I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool.	[23:04]
asciilifeform	it is entirely, thoroughly The Wrong Thing	[23:04]
asciilifeform	and is responsible for many of the present woes.	[23:05]
punkman	suppose I have two dozen nodes on dynamic IP	[23:05]
asciilifeform	the ~correct~ behaviour for a node is to service a hand-picked set of trusted peers	[23:05]
asciilifeform	AND OPTIONALLY - as resources are available - folks who knock on the door.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	IN THAT ORDER.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	and never otherwise.	[23:05]
punkman	I can give you a secret phrase, which if hashed and used as torrent infohash, allows you to get my current IPs from torrent tracker	[23:06]
asciilifeform	why do we need the motherfucking middleman ?!!!!!	[23:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00056604 = 25.1888 BTC [-]	[23:06]
asciilifeform	so i will review, for the benefit of non-panzers, the current state	[23:07]
asciilifeform	presently trb does not have this sane behaviour	[23:07]
asciilifeform	it can run in one of two modes, '-connect' where it services a fixed list of peers, AND NOBODY ELSE (no incoming tcp)	[23:07]
asciilifeform	or '-addnode' where it takes a list of peers but 'as mere suggestions' and will happily drop'em, and connect to random derps	[23:07]
asciilifeform	the first mode can be disregarded as it does not result in a public node. it is useful for running hotwallets on your own lan, for running mircea_popescu-style 'dark' nodes over ad hoc vpn with kim jong il, etc.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	the second mode is what all of my trb boxen are set to, and it results in a comedy where the thing routinely drops friends on the floor and dallies about attempting to connect to randomly-selected derp ips	[23:09]
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mircea_popescu	prolly next to fix huh	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	tho it's tangled with the whole mempool priority thing	[23:10]
asciilifeform	nope	[23:10]
ben_vulpes	tangled how?	[23:10]
asciilifeform	not really, no	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	how do you know how to value "others"	[23:10]
asciilifeform	easy	[23:10]
asciilifeform	they rank STRICTLY below hand-picked peers.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	among themselves i mean.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	i am contemplating a strictly 2-tiered hierarchy here.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	and how much is "strictly" in integers	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	seems to me if gonna do it might as well do it once, but anyway.	[23:11]
asciilifeform	'strictly' means that door-knockers get serviced ONLY when friends are idle.	[23:11]
asciilifeform	i've held off attempting to do anything about this because 'usg can diddle packets arbitrarily, we need gossipd' but there is no particular logic to this.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	this will never occur.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	think of how the mempool flows	[23:11]
asciilifeform	gotta quantize the processing.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	i.e. meter resource consumption per peer.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	stray dogs ought to get the crumbs off the table.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:13]
thestringpuller	looks like trb will have gossipd support?	[23:13]
asciilifeform	what was the mircea_popescu piece, 'carnita, lu' fetita, si osoiul, lu' baboiul'	[23:14]
asciilifeform	(ro dante ?)	[23:14]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: the everybody-is-equal thing is not sustainable	[23:15]
asciilifeform	it has been kept up long past expiration date as it is	[23:15]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzrxvpG2_Sk	[23:15]
assbot	Taraf de Haïdouks - "Clejani Love Song" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/23dxlYY )	[23:15]
thestringpuller	is there no manual approach for this process yet? i.e. people sign/deed node ip address. you use -connect flag	[23:15]
asciilifeform	and i dare say that this will become more apparent as 'axe time, sword time' carries on	[23:16]
thestringpuller	-connect/-addnode should make those peers the priority first and drop other nodes second	[23:16]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: we don't currently have anything like a scheduler	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ayup	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/carnita/	[23:17]
assbot	Carnita... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/23dxvzi )	[23:17]
asciilifeform	but going back up the stack, i want to highlight how retarded the whole seed pool thing is	[23:18]
asciilifeform	what a monument to eeeekvaaaaaality	[23:18]
thestringpuller	does scheduler require gossipd, or could it be based on manually inputted list from user?	[23:18]
asciilifeform	in all of its rancid glory	[23:18]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: under contemplation here and now is a very basic scheduler.	[23:18]
thestringpuller	ah, the threshold for idling.	[23:20]
ben_vulpes	am i seriously looking at a 1k+ logbacklog?	[23:21]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aha, pretty slow day	[23:22]
ben_vulpes	i guess i can skip the fanthread	[23:22]
ben_vulpes	heh and grep newlines	[23:23]
asciilifeform	who am i to say what ben_vulpes should skip.	[23:23]
*	ben_vulpes impoverished usian, does not even have workstation	[23:23]
*	ben_vulpes lives in box with other people 2m away, even	[23:24]
asciilifeform	well, with pets, aha ?	[23:25]
ben_vulpes	other side of the wall, i mean.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	ah	[23:25]
ben_vulpes	tromping down stairs as i write.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	it sucks mightily, aha	[23:26]
asciilifeform	i escaped from it only recently.	[23:26]
ben_vulpes	adapting to poverty was explicit goal of late twenties though.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	why not invite 14 bums to live in your closets then.	[23:26]
ben_vulpes	pets consume a fixed fraction of income, may as well minimize integral of fraction over the next decade or so.	[23:27]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: bums don't pay?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	sure as hell	[23:27]
asciilifeform	but you said 'adapt to poverty'	[23:27]
ben_vulpes	well asciilifeform-style overdramatized 'p0vertee'	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	lol this is a style now!	[23:28]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377122 << miserably impossible with modern browser	[23:32]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 18:38:30; ascii_butugychag: and increasing res should do nothing but to make the curves smoother.	[23:32]
ben_vulpes	unless you want to make all os widgets take up vastly more space too	[23:33]
mod6	ok all: http://thebitcoin.foundation website has been updated a bit.	[23:53]
assbot	..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	nice	[23:56]
mod6	ty!	[23:57]

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