Forum logs for 18 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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thestringpuller	!s from:kakobrekla bitstamp	[00:16]
assbot	56 results for 'from:kakobrekla bitstamp' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Akakobrekla+bitstamp	[00:16]
thestringpuller	gold	[00:17]
thestringpuller	thank you mike_c	[00:17]
nubbins`	heh	[00:18]
bounce	sigh someone redirect dns.fail to icann.org	[00:18]
thestringpuller	!t h rent	[00:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.0049059 / 0.00498958 (644 shares, 3.15940213 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00446059 / 0.00498958 (1910 shares, 8.51972834 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.0041543 / 0.00498958 (11874 shares, 49.32812759 BTC)	[00:19]
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thestringpuller	so RENT is ipoing more units tomorrow higher than what it's trading at?	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	!up The20YearIRCloud	[00:20]
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mike_c	mircea_popescu: see? why else care what the stock price is.	[00:20]
thestringpuller	On Thursday, September 18th, 2014 at 11:00AM (EST), a public offering will open for Rental Starter .	[00:21]
thestringpuller	Total Units: 26900	[00:21]
thestringpuller	Maximum Units Per User: 26900	[00:21]
thestringpuller	Price: 0.0075BTC/unit	[00:21]
thestringpuller	Can people not maths?	[00:21]
The20YearIRCloud	thestringpuller: a few of our larger investors want more equity shares, and there's no way to sell it outside of havelock	[00:25]
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jurov	does anyone know davout's blog? iirc he postponed x.eur expiration to september 21?	[00:25]
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thestringpuller	blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[00:26]
mike_c	The20YearIRCloud: so why don't they just put in bids..	[00:26]
jurov	ah i forgot	[00:26]
jurov	Settlements will also be delayed until September 25th. It should however remain possible to buy X.EUR futures until that time unless the market maker bot somehow explodes in flight.	[00:27]
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jurov	dave he maked such short-fused bots	[00:28]
jurov	derp	[00:28]
jurov	dave makes such short-fused bots	[00:28]
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kakobrekla	lol mike_c fu!	[00:34]
kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/26/iL/1GtJeHpB/euro.png	[00:34]
kakobrekla	poop.	[00:34]
jurov	you broke x.eur!	[00:34]
kakobrekla	it was Shaggy.	[00:35]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.50588 BTC. Current weight: 47,212.	[00:35]
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BingoBoingo	Omg Euro is crashing!!!	[00:36]
jurov	!up nerdfiles	[00:36]
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jurov	!up nerdfiles	[00:36]
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nubbins`	twist: buy 1000 shares, get a free bitcoin poster	[00:41]
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mike_c	most slanted bitbet out there, starting to look better. http://bitbet.us/bet/1041/euro-sinks-against-usd/	[00:41]
assbot	BitBet - Euro sinks against USD :: 0.03 B (2%) on Yes, 1.83 B (98%) on No \| closing in 3 months 1 week\| weight: 90`680 (100`000 to 1)	[00:41]
kakobrekla	yeah just not in that tiem frame	[00:42]
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nubbins`	so gribble can generate a ,,$rand but does anyone know how to restrict the range?	[00:43]
nubbins`	wait, what is it? ,,(echo $rand) for inline	[00:43]
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mike_c	multiplication?	[00:43]
nubbins`	;;echo $rand	[00:44]
gribble	151	[00:44]
nubbins`	;;echo $rand	[00:44]
gribble	401	[00:44]
nubbins`	anyway.	[00:44]
kakobrekla	anyway i think b4x is better tool for currency bets	[00:45]
mike_c	worst. marketer. evah.	[00:46]
mike_c	he means bit4x.com folks.	[00:46]
kakobrekla	eh, nobody here cares.	[00:46]
jurov	!t m s.mg	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000091 / 0.000091 / 0.000091 (100 shares, 0.01 BTC)	[00:47]
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mike_c	;;calc [echo $rand] + 512 / 1024	[00:48]
gribble	161.5	[00:48]
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kakobrekla	looks like the fall isnt over for today.	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --eur	[00:56]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market \|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)	[00:56]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency eur	[00:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 348.1236, vol: 11687.41923932 \| BTC-E BTCEUR last: 354.0, vol: 108.91287 \| BTCChina BTCEUR last: 356.4621, vol: 17807.75020000 \| Kraken BTCEUR last: 348.2183, vol: 1076.7282778 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 353.5, vol: 129.50445392 \| Volume-weighted last average: 352.989768176	[00:56]
ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[00:56]
*	kakobrekla had the other market in mind but i guess its same here	[00:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 445.91, Best ask: 447.33, Bid-ask spread: 1.42000, Last trade: 447.0, 24 hour volume: 11687.41923932, 24 hour low: 443.57, 24 hour high: 465.57, 24 hour vwap: 454.908328559	[00:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01073694 = 0.612 BTC [+] {2}	[01:07]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: It's all the same market	[01:08]
kakobrekla	myea i guess so.	[01:08]
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BingoBoingo	Still online http://heavensgate.com/	[01:11]
assbot	Heaven's Gate - How and When It May Be Entered	[01:11]
BingoBoingo	Even after all that cool aid	[01:11]
nubbins`	hmm	[01:12]
nubbins`	guess they bought the deluxe package	[01:12]
BingoBoingo	Also in addition to sand traps and water hazards, golf nao can haz moral hazard: http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/anthony-kim-ryder-cup-breakout-star-2008-nowhere-be-found	[01:13]
assbot	Anthony Kim, Ryder Cup breakout star of 2008, is nowhere to be found - GOLF.com	[01:13]
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TheNewDeal	re: Anthony Kim - all the best pro's know when to quit	[01:33]
TheNewDeal	a la Jim Brown	[01:33]
nubbins`	!s saltyspitoon	[01:33]
assbot	9 results for 'saltyspitoon' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=saltyspitoon	[01:33]
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nubbins`	hm "harbour symphony" is going on right now	[01:35]
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nubbins`	so abrasive	[01:36]
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TheNewDeal	sounds kind of neat. Always enjoyed hearing fog horns from the bay while growing up	[01:38]
nubbins`	ehh, none of the captains can apparently keep time	[01:38]
nubbins`	it sounds like a hot mess	[01:38]
TheNewDeal	wonder how close they are spaced?	[01:38]
nubbins`	the entire harbour is maybe 1km from end to end	[01:39]
nubbins`	i read once that they're given "sheet music" with a note granularity of 1 second	[01:39]
nubbins`	so there's plenty of room for things to go wrong	[01:39]
TheNewDeal	interesting	[01:40]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Well, part of it is just quitting is so lucrative in his position	[01:41]
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TheNewDeal	To me, I would much rather prefer keeping more money than I would probably earn in the next 20 years, and having to deal with professional golf assholes the whole time	[01:42]
TheNewDeal	maybe in 5 years or so he will be able to walk into a local bar without being hassled by randoms	[01:42]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Sure. I wonder how long it is though until someone starts getting the idea to sell NFL players suspension insurance	[01:43]
ben_vulpes	thestringpuller: co-tenants in this space gave me this shirt today http://i.imgur.com/gcI32D9.jpg	[01:43]
TheNewDeal	would be impossible to return a profit	[01:44]
nubbins`	dat 4-color print	[01:44]
nubbins`	i like using negative space on black shirts for keylines	[01:44]
TheNewDeal	if you can't tear an acl on accident, go smoke a joint and get kicked out for 2 years	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	i love how the the yellow is totally gratuitous	[01:44]
nubbins`	great big 20x24" screen with a tiny caterpillar-sized bit of space in the middle	[01:45]
BingoBoingo	The20YearIRCloud: Sure it could be profitable, sell it to Tom Brady	[01:45]
nubbins`	i hate printing shit like that ;(	[01:45]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2.04854766 BTC for No on "Gold above $1300 on October 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1022/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 42(Y):58(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.73414003 BTC. Current weight: 18,706.	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	nubbins`: you're not charging enough to make yourself happy to do it?	[01:46]
nubbins`	i'm charging enough that if i worked at 25% speed i'd still be making money	[01:46]
nubbins`	still don't like adding a whole extra screen to a print for a tiny bit of color ;)	[01:47]
nubbins`	printed a run of puffin t-shirts once, my oh my	[01:47]
nubbins`	you basically just show the yellow ink to the shirt	[01:48]
nubbins`	"YA SEE THAT?!"	[01:48]
nubbins`	http://readysetwhoa.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/puffin3.jpg	[01:48]
TheNewDeal	damn that bird is hunnnngry	[01:48]
nubbins`	ben_vulpes truth be told, i'd rather print on paper than fabric	[01:49]
BingoBoingo	;;google Gary Pinkel DUI	[01:49]
gribble	More details emerge from Pinkel's DWI arrest - Columbia Daily Tribune: ; Gary Pinkel arrested on suspicion of DWI - Columbia Daily Tribune ...:	[01:49]
BingoBoingo	^ TheNewDeal That's also where the money is, college coaches	[01:50]
nubbins`	driving while influenced ;p	[01:50]
TheNewDeal	Is Rob Ford betting on bitbet nao? http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/09/12/rob_ford_withdraws_replaced_on_mayor_ballot_by_doug.html http://bitbet.us/bet/835/rob-ford-will-withdraw-from-the-toronto-mayoral/	[01:51]
assbot	Rob Ford withdraws from mayor's race, Doug files to take his place \| Toronto Star	[01:51]
assbot	BitBet - Rob Ford will withdraw from the Toronto mayoral race before September 12th :: 0.04 B (36%) on Yes, 0.07 B (64%) on No \| closed 2 weeks 5 days ago	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	;;google Tony larussa Miami asleep at the wheel	[01:51]
gribble	Tony LaRussa - BR Bullpen - Baseball-Reference.com: ; Top 10 WTF Cardinal Moments of the 2000′s \| Cards Diaspora: ; Tony La Russa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[01:51]
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nubbins`	hm, so i placed my first order w/ silvergoldbull	[01:52]
nubbins`	they called and left a message telling me when my order would ship, and to call them if i had any questions :0	[01:52]
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BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Of course the moral hazard is that marginal defensive backs and linemen are going to TRY to get arrested when cut time comes around	[01:53]
TheNewDeal	but but but the Tom Bradys and Tim Tebows would make a lot more money just faking some back injury and watching from the couch on sundays	[01:53]
TheNewDeal	Bradys wife already takes home income, from what I hear	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	Tom Brady makes more by simply laying that pipe and keeping Gisele happy	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, she makes much more than he	[01:54]
jurov	mircea_popescu: X.EUR expired on september 15th anyway	[01:55]
TheNewDeal	x.eur is done?	[01:55]
jurov	coinbr had 2 euros on the account a i had to untagle that mess due to them	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Still the Pinkel guy lost probably 4 million over four years since after he had some wine with dinner he got arrested.	[01:55]
jurov	yes, it should have expired on sep 25. now it prolly has to wait for davout	[01:55]
TheNewDeal	didnt read the pinkel piece	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: College Coach two years from becoming the school's winningest got boned on his next contract.	[01:57]
BingoBoingo	It's the sort of thing that could get Nick Saban or Bob Stoops to put down a quarter million dollars a piece annually for a decade	[01:58]
TheNewDeal	guy obviously had more to drink than 2 glasses of wine	[01:59]
TheNewDeal	first said he had none	[01:59]
TheNewDeal	then says he has 2	[01:59]
nubbins`	no bitbet for scotland seceding?	[01:59]
nubbins`	:o	[01:59]
TheNewDeal	then 2 between 800 and 830	[01:59]
TheNewDeal	then claims they were jumbo	[01:59]
nubbins`	then oops they were actually an 8-ball	[02:00]
TheNewDeal	then 2... between 800 and 930	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: But... But... This was the "Man of Integrity" who chased Dorial Green Beckam into Oklahomo's open arms...	[02:00]
TheNewDeal	He will probably just go to some other college and make more	[02:00]
TheNewDeal	that's how college football coaching works	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: You can't do that though when the incident happens within months of your contract expiring, so Mizzou got to renew Pinkel at a discount	[02:03]
TheNewDeal	I've seen coaches quit their team mid year. Any reason why he can't?	[02:03]
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mircea_popescu	wow the log!	[02:05]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Similar reason to why Nick Saban won't coach an NFL team. He has established a ridiculous value for himself at exactly one geographic location.	[02:05]
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BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: The "serious schools" as there was a discussion of not too long ago here are essentially palace economies that dominate the surrounding geography.	[02:08]
BingoBoingo	Politically, economically, and culturally.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we already have 'many read few write.' nobody's really fooled by the erzats-writers. << "nobody"	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: there isn't enough time in the world to teach the lawyers scm <<< actually a grasp of scm is the mark of a good paralegal (ie, worth the money). lawyers are paralegals anyway, what are they going to do, win a case on their own ?!	[02:09]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sure. I wonder how long it is though until someone starts getting the idea to sell NFL players suspension insurance << poster child for ininsurable risk.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	in general insurance works for fields where the insured can't change the occurence rate.	[02:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Indeed. But Football is like the Bezzel lab.	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	http://readysetwhoa.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/puffin3.jpg << he looks so fucking sad, too	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck would it take to make that asshole happy ?	[02:14]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeah but gisele won't last	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	o oops... he won't either.	[02:15]
nubbins`	a bigger beak	[02:16]
nubbins`	oh, there IS a scotland bet, it's just closed pending	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	jurov: mircea_popescu: X.EUR expired on september 15th anyway << yeas.	[02:16]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo yeah but gisele won't last << Very true. The recluse thing is never very lucrative for persons who want to be treated like sculptures.	[02:17]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.mpoe	[02:17]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074592 / 0.00075156 / 0.00075526 (879243 shares, 660.81 BTC), 7D: 0.00074592 / 0.00075856 / 0.00076945 (4139195 shares, 3,139.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00073939 / 0.00086605 (16383951 shares, 12,114.16 BTC)	[02:17]
assbot	jenninsea +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[02:18]
BingoBoingo	what the fuck would it take to make that asshole happy ? << hands... and a refrigerator. Dude has to fucking binge eat and still risk starving next week.	[02:19]
jurov	!up jenninsea	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins`: no bitbet for scotland seceding? < make it i guess ?	[02:19]
jenninsea	thanks jurov	[02:19]
jurov	http://urbit.org/ lol	[02:21]
assbot	Urbit	[02:21]
jurov	jenninsea you wanted to say something?	[02:22]
jenninsea	just trying to set up wot - i have no ranking right now	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	what it went gold ?	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	;;ident jenninsea	[02:22]
gribble	Nick 'jenninsea', with hostmask 'jenninsea!~jenninsea@c-24-16-188-43.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', is identified as user 'jenninsea', with GPG key id 7D086E89462A4255, key fingerprint 89B1069E568B77CC73598B4A7D086E89462A4255, and bitcoin address None	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	"Urbit is unlaunched. Not that we ever launched it. It leaked. A leak is not a launch; a construction site is not a house." such typical overconfident yet irresponsible derp bs.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	"here's the supergreat thing.". "o no i never said anything".	[02:23]
BingoBoingo	;;rate jenninsea 1 #b-a +v easy come easy go	[02:23]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jenninsea has been recorded.	[02:23]
jenninsea	awesome, thanks	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	The other bullshit is there's a number of contruction sites much more habitable than houses	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	i never wanted to whip and cane women like i want to whip and cane this sort of yarvin fuckwit.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	and i do enjoy caning women.	[02:24]
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mircea_popescu	what the fuck happened to "I failed. I overestimated my cognitive ability and misjudged our abilities. This is because I suck. I am going to sit in a corner for a little bit, suck the cock of much better men and maybe come back later. Perhaps as a girl."	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	jenninsea: You're welcome. Just be aware that since the FBI knocked on my door I've been a bit more paranoid than typical, hence the easy come easy go caveat http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/	[02:25]
assbot	A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared \| Bingo Blog	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	gotta be "oh, we never actually tried."	[02:25]
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BingoBoingo	I still don't understand why Yarvin fucking did "Jets" as his fallback to x86 derivatives sucking	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	for the same fundamental reason.	[02:27]
jenninsea	ah, understandable, BingoBoingo. sorry to hear about the nasty visit	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	laziness + entitlement -> jets.	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	jenninsea: It happens. Just if it happens to you plz disclose.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	or w/e they may be, the handwave of the field.	[02:27]
jenninsea	will do	[02:28]
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BingoBoingo	One of the most disappointing name collisions has to been the suckage systemd vs. the awesome System D	[02:31]
nubbins`	http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1615433/000161543314000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml	[02:32]
assbot	SEC FORM D	[02:32]
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BingoBoingo	What befuddles me is why with Moores law on its last legs there are not Startups with ideas they want to etch in silicon.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	the freakshow startups despise any seriou swork ; the actual startups you don't hear about, they hear about you.	[02:40]
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kdomanski	that and you can't learn that kind of engineering while drunk in a harvard dorm	[02:42]
BingoBoingo	kdomanski: You can learn it drunk though	[02:42]
kdomanski	true	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	Just not on Left Coast #1	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	kdomanski plenty of decent engineers were drunks, actually	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	but i suppose i'm attacking the wrong qualifier. yeah, you can't learn that kind of engineering at harvard.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	drunk or not, in class or in the dorm.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	;;ud AFC	[02:47]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=AFC \| An AFC in a bar with gorgeous women would sit in the corner, and ask himself " why aren't they coming up to me." When he should be going up to them, but wont ...	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	loser not good enough for geny or wtf.	[02:48]
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ben_vulpes	geny?	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	kids born after the world stopped being cool	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	sometime during clinton	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	I was born during the Reagan presidency, but after his brain died.	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	funny how the skirt cumrag guy is probably going to end up remembered as the augustulus v2.0	[02:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.18499999 = 0.555 BTC [+]	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	Clinton's moar a Julius, Bush II is the brief confusion, and Obummer is the Augustus 2.0	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	So funny story.	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	On the radio now, I often hear the Ferguson insurgents being refered to as Terrorists.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	augustulus mind.	[02:55]
*	BingoBoingo dictionaries	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	child pushed forward by his father (originally, wife in the reenaction)	[02:56]
*	BingoBoingo made an ass of himself, assuming he was living in the BC/AD transition	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	"Beware the guy with too many or exclusively female friends. This might make for the plot of stupid movies, but most women are wary of guys with so many female friends that they question their being able to relate with and be Men."	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	that's the dumbest thing i read all day.	[02:58]
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mats_cd03	hooray, i have reacquired personhood	[03:00]
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BingoBoingo	mats_cd03: Found your soul?	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	wd!	[03:00]
mats_cd03	i finally got around to recovering my gpg keys from the dead drive.	[03:01]
mats_cd03	and now for backups	[03:01]
nubbins`	sweet	[03:01]
nubbins`	backups, important	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	good idea.	[03:01]
mats_cd03	are there still posters available my good man	[03:01]
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nubbins`	almost as important as knowing how to recover from said backups :D	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	backups differ from copies in exactly that manner.	[03:02]
nubbins`	mats_cd03, the last one was sold a few days ago :/	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	"My critics will often take a binary stance in their arguments with this idea citing that “they could never be with more than one woman at a time out of respect for her” or “so I should just lie to her and see other girls on the side?” To which I’d argue that these are feminized social conventions that attempt to thwart a man’s options in order to establish women as the prime selectors in intersexual relati	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	ons. If it can be conditioned into a boy/man to ‘feel bad’ about seeing more than one woman at a time, it only better serves the female-as-chooser dynamic."	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	holy shit these meninists dudes are completely fucking retarded.	[03:03]
nubbins`	mats_cd03: one guy bought like 10, you could try asking him	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	all this derpage about how they want to "escape a female view of life and everything" yet they think of it through purely monogamous, "rel;ationshipy" eyes.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	not a single one of them so far happened on the idea that you know what ? women must PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	that the male idea of life is a harem not a fucking "ltr"	[03:04]
mats_cd03	who dat?	[03:04]
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mircea_popescu	ltr means a long term relationship with a number of women who fuck together.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	not fucking romantic comedy setups	[03:04]
mats_cd03	as an aside, the tools ddrescue and scalpel are pretty cool.	[03:04]
nubbins`	his username on the forums is TECSHARE	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	;;seen tecshare	[03:04]
gribble	I have not seen tecshare.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	i coulda sworn	[03:04]
mats_cd03	i have to sign up on the forums? i guess ill wait for batch 2	[03:05]
BingoBoingo	;;seen techshare	[03:05]
gribble	I have not seen techshare.	[03:05]
nubbins`	ah, let me see here	[03:06]
nubbins`	punkman and thenewdeal both ordered two, i think	[03:06]
nubbins`	maybe kako too	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	omg customer confidentiality	[03:07]
nubbins`	it's in the logs!	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	zomg*	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	lol, this shit is still ALL online http://heavensgate.com/book/05.htm	[03:07]
assbot	Overview of Present Mission	[03:07]
nubbins`	mats_cd03 i guess i could sell you my copy (artist's proof)	[03:08]
nubbins`	i dunno tho ;(	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	lol 2ndary poster market.	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	only in b-a	[03:09]
nubbins`	inorite?	[03:11]
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BingoBoingo	Now nubbins` just has to make counterfeit posters	[03:12]
nubbins`	twist: everyone got poster number 17/100	[03:13]
BingoBoingo	http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-liable-20140917-story.html	[03:14]
assbot	Court upholds civil verdict against LAPD for withholding evidence - LA Times	[03:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.191 = 0.573 BTC [+]	[03:15]
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BingoBoingo	!up devthedev	[03:19]
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mircea_popescu	lmao disqus now sells advertising	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: How else were they going to defend the pretense the commenter's traffic habits weren't their actual product?	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	http://nhc.noaa.gov/	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no but i mean the idiocy of people. "let's give away value to this company, so it can make money off of us for free!11"	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	this america is so fucking opposite of the classical america...	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	Very	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	;;isitdown http://nhc.noaa.gov/	[03:25]
gribble	http://nhc.noaa.gov/ is down	[03:25]
BingoBoingo	I dunno that I can really elaborate much beyond that single word in response.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	dude what the fuck is wrong with the world's most bankrupt government already. can't even keep HURRICANE WATCH website online ?	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	fucking thirld word banana republic.	[03:25]
BingoBoingo	Well I mean I've driven through a strike nearly every day this past week.	[03:26]
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mircea_popescu	what so the datacenter is striking ?	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	Americans don't even know how to strike anymoar.	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nah, teachers.	[03:26]
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BingoBoingo	After 4 years of pay freezes someone did the math and real estate going down 20% while everything else goes up 23% actually means they make less than they did when I was a wee lad.	[03:28]
BingoBoingo	But this is a bezzel, neither side is innocent.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	what did the romanian doctor tell the diabethic who told his doctor his wife got candida and asked what to do ?	[03:30]
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mircea_popescu	!up JimDowJones	[03:30]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[03:30]
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mircea_popescu	!up JimDowJones	[03:31]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nystatin?	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	"faceti bezele"	[03:31]
BingoBoingo	lol	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	ie, make merengue	[03:31]
*	mircea_popescu waits for that one to sink in	[03:32]
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BingoBoingo	I really need to work on speaking Latin languages. Managed to make it through lunch today without speaking a word of English.	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	portuguese ?	[03:32]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Mexican Spanish	[03:33]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu then waits for the puking to be over << I've ate American Chocolate	[03:33]
nubbins`	but have you eaten romanian meringue?	[03:34]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Not many opportunities for that in the Middle West.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	well... someone made a marzipan replica of my cock once	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	closest i got.	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	Totally hippo-cracy. https://twitter.com/ScottWuerz/status/512332640976781312 Papelbon was suspended 7 games for grabbing his junk	[03:38]
assbot	Joe West suspended one game for grabbing and shoving Jonathan Pappelbon. Not enough to reign in one of mlb's most arrogant umps.	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	;;google joe west umpire fat	[03:41]
gribble	Better Know An Umpire: Joe West - Deadspin: ; The Secret Lives of 8 Baseball Umpires \| Mental Floss: ; Major league baseball is looking into jonathan papelbon's crotch-grab:	[03:41]
BingoBoingo	"Except that yesterday Joe West, who in 2010 was ranked the 2nd worst umpire in the league, decided to expand the role of instant replay in baseball all by himself. Joe West opened the door for instant replay further than it's ever been opened. Joe West opened the door for our children to cry out that things are unfair, stomp their feet and call out for an instant replay. Sadly, he won't be there when a cute girl decides to go out	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	when someone else, or when you don't get the job you were more qualified for, or when you get blamed for something your brother did, or when someone butts ahead of you in line. And sadly, because Joe West chose to single-handedly change the game that taught us how to deal with a world that can sometimes be unfair, we may not have the character to deal with those situations."	[03:44]
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kdomanski	mircea_popescu: so I'm listening on an IRC chan related to datacenter management software:	[03:45]
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kdomanski	"my slaves don't seem to be able to determine who their master is. i confirmed they can talk to zookeeper just fine."	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--o5Ky47rP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/17rmeieedv6bwpng.jpg	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	kdomanski lmao now that sounds like a problem.	[03:48]
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kdomanski	the guy's getting technical support :D	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	anythig involving ties and chaining ?	[03:48]
kdomanski	do you have like a helpdesk for the harem?	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	well, there's the "help yourself" desk and the separate "helping girls memory" desk.	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	Why did I have no Joe West pictures here: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/10/a-place-i-was-pictures/ Dude was at the fucking game and we made fun of his FUPA the whole time.	[03:49]
assbot	A Place I was, Pictures \| Bingo Blog	[03:49]
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kdomanski	oh, the man issued a wrong command to his slaves	[03:51]
nubbins`	oh	[03:51]
nubbins`	that is incorrect behaviour for a master	[03:51]
nubbins`	perhaps the man will learn	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	I thought the correct default setting in case of a misunderstanding was always "build pyramid" so that in the worst case they can be located.	[03:52]
kdomanski	no chains though	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	You beat them so they don't need chains of a physical kind	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	lol build pyramid	[03:54]
nubbins`	there they are &c	[03:54]
BingoBoingo	It's like a beacon, but with a longer lifespan	[03:54]
kdomanski	WTF did you just do, giving mircea_popescu ideas	[03:54]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo beating's a sport not a political tool.	[03:55]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I agree. This is why I despise the NFL for its current war on RunningBacks. Still, I'd bet your two best against Rice-Petersen in a monument building contest.	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	Pyramids have to be politically neutral by now right?	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	this idiotic "i can be everything including a sex therapist" dude is giving advice to virgins, which includes... cialis.	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	because why the fuck not right, 18 year olds are such a splendid market for erection drugs.	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	Keeps them occupied longer	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	it's so fucking wrong...	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	why not lipitor while at it.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	"take some, see what it does for you"	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	Well two very different questions. the erection drugs work simply and when they are gone, there aren't many downstream effects.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	Lipitor though affects pretty much everything in the Master gland	[04:00]
BingoBoingo	The way Lipitor fucks with cholesterol it fuck with every derivative of cholesterol including all of the fun sex hormones.	[04:01]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo up until the kid is in a skating accident and gets a dose of nitrate for paramedics	[04:02]
BingoBoingo	The erection drugs just trigger targeted vasodialation for roughly 30 seconds beyond the time they are metabolized to nothing.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	to name just some random ill effect.	[04:02]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo up until the kid is in a skating accident and gets a dose of nitrate for paramedics << What skaing accident could possibly call for nitrates?	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, anything that convincingly enough mimics angina ?	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	like say a mechanical rib pinch of the pleura	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	Well, anything with bleeding would be a contrindication, which is what I think when I think skating accident...	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	derp boinks into something, has chest pains and shortness of breath, plsu irregular pulse	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	like say a mechanical rib pinch of the pleura << On the boner drugs that ought to be properly diagnosed as pneunothorax	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	A number of different kinds of irregular pulse exist.	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	the glyceril trinitrate is coming out "just to be sure"	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	overmedicated civilisation if there ever was one	[04:05]
BingoBoingo	Or epinephrine. Depending on the kind.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	yeah but we're not talking of the ones that survive here :p	[04:06]
BingoBoingo	Hey, Hunter S Thompson had to finish MKULTRA's work himself...	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	and regardless this you know, possible avenue. it's just a dumb fucking idea	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	what virgin teenager has legitimate erection problems for crying out loud.	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	Ah, If you are talking American, the word legitmate has been ejected long ago.	[04:08]
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BingoBoingo	There may be teenagers with erection problems though in the sense that they can't get off with a girl, because they are too conditioned to the habits of their own hand.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	and how about you know, a bit of priapism for that matter.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	inept dosage results in damagingly enduring erections even in old men.	[04:10]
BingoBoingo	Priaprism has an easy, mechanical solution... in that it deflates	[04:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 30 @ 0.04500006 = 1.35 BTC [-] {2}	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	not to menton you know, making it too hard which is actually numbing	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter, not to mention formatting one's idea of one's own sexual experience in a weird contrived manner.	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	Well, diabetics have a learning curve. THESE ARE SRS X-PERTS.	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	The actual danger though is making erect cock insufficiently scarce.	[04:13]
nubbins`	!b 1	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	not even sure that;s such a bad thing. let women live a little.	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	But the Tim Swanson of Erection Science LTD will never admit this.	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	I wonder when the last time inept Buenos Aires mugger dude had a solid boner was. Probably been a while.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	i suppose given that south america decided boob jobs are apt gifts for 15 yo girls on their confirmation thingee, i shouldn't be too excited	[04:16]
nubbins`	lel	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	Those sunken cheeks, the way he seemed so ashamed to raise his firearm...	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` here i saw the first underage female with impants.	[04:16]
nubbins`	i know a mexican girl who narrowly decided not to have plastic surgery at 16	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	I'm pretty sure most of this Immigrants from down under scare in the US is more wife driven than blue collar man driven.	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	how's that wokr ?	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The whale like Anglos dun want the Hispanic women to steal their allowances.	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	interesting.	[04:21]
BingoBoingo	Think about the augmented Cali girl vs. Midwestern girl vs. Brazilian...	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	;;google Mark Sanford Appalacian Trail	[04:23]
gribble	Mark Sanford disappearance and extramarital affair - Wikipedia, the ...: ; Mark Sanford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Back On The Appalachian Trail: Mark Sanford Breaks Up With ...:	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	I think the actual scare is the literal "Lillian Rearden" scenario	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	well with the blessings of travel the differences aren't that marked physically. course, fat is fat, and annoying is annoying, whereas hungry is hungry and eager is eager.	[04:24]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/artificial-sweeteners-linked-to-obesity-epidemic-scientists-say-1.2769196	[04:27]
assbot	Artificial sweeteners linked to obesity epidemic, scientists say - Health - CBC News	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/512412256953307136	[04:28]
assbot	/hashtag/CIASeal?src=hash http://t.co/HIwLiBGPs1	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	honestly thinking about it, the insanity of the crime levels in the us (both private and state-run) are what prevent more immigration.	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	not the ministration of blue collar anything, or any other electorate	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	well with the blessings of travel the differences aren't that marked physically. course, fat is fat, and annoying is annoying, whereas hungry is hungry and eager is eager. << Probably also helps that Romanian is Perl, and... your ancestors are not vowel shift victims	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	just, your average sa guy that feels insecure in ba could simply not live in the us. at all. like you can't live in berlin cca 1948.	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	that's why it's mostly mexicans , not the proximity, but the only country with similar crime levels.	[04:29]
BingoBoingo	Actually anymore it isn't really much Mexicans	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	Central Americans in the too small to assert themselves states	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	;;google spanish speakers in the us by country of origin	[04:30]
gribble	Hispanic Origin Profiles, 2010 - Pew Hispanic Center: ; Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	65% mexicans dawg, what you on about	[04:31]
BingoBoingo	Totals are lagging indicators though.	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah well here's an idea : costa rica is like 2 mn total.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	for it to matter in there it needs to find two dozen more central american countries	[04:32]
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BingoBoingo	Well, I'm immediately more concerned about "minimalist travel the other direction.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah, did you end up in jail or what was recently ?	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	Not yet.	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	Lawyer has yet to follow up on me about what the next hearing of whatever is.	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	Still pushing for some sort of University job here for long enough to get an escape plug of cash at least	[04:39]
BingoBoingo	This is disconcerting given how optimistic the lawyer's last conversation was.	[04:43]
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BingoBoingo	In the worst case though if this thing goes to trial... I can probably take at least two or three law licenses down with me.	[04:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10130 @ 0.00075165 = 7.6142 BTC [+]	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	And thanks to local county mountie politics they'd all be in the prosecutor's office so no need for guilt about it.	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	As far as the seperate federal question goes, I'm just an expensive dead end.	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/512417969775730689	[04:50]
assbot	Comments on /fredwilson's blog post on Toshi by /coinbase show confusion about practical applications of blockchain: http://t.co/oELgOTtLDV	[04:50]
kakobrekla	fyi blockr code has nothing to do with toshi except its partially made by same people	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Oh, I thought Maybe toshi was just blockr stripped of the interface	[04:53]
kakobrekla	nope	[04:54]
kakobrekla	also blockr needs bitcoind to run, toshi does not	[04:54]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[04:54]
kakobrekla	in retrospect its a good thing.	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	Well, it is an improvement. Coinbase developing only Coinbase API to Coinbase hiring capable people to make useful things that may fuck them in the end.	[04:59]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what exactly is keeping you in usa ?	[05:04]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: At this point... it seems to be a kind of morbid fascination of whether I first find library employment or three hots and a cot courtesy of the bezzel	[05:05]
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BingoBoingo	Also a kind of curiosity. If the US let me know it wants to keep me here, can I leave anyways.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	nuts dude.	[05:07]
asciilifeform	i can understand actually being stuck. this - no.	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	Also.. need a bit more time to practice the Spanish. And then there's the almost sick hope I might win the misdemeanor case nao.	[05:08]
asciilifeform	so say you win. then - ?. i, for instance, am not embroiled in any suits. wanna end up like me ?	[05:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19982 @ 0.00002537 = 0.5069 BTC [-] {25}	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	Or maybe it is some sick programming override that was snuck up my butt at scout camp.	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Your sitution wouldn't be a worst outcome.	[05:10]
*	asciilifeform is not entirely awake but will attempt explain	[05:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: point is, 'even when you win rat race - still a rat.'	[05:10]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: SPz somehow the FBI manages to store me for a decade because I have no silk road info and at the same time keep my priv keys safe? The chance at being a possum instead of a rat?	[05:14]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: this is why - airplane, suitcase.	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	ATM plan roughly looks like car, run out of gas, walk, border, airplane, suitcase	[05:16]
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BingoBoingo	Mostly because I am not paying a motherfucking fee to the TSA	[05:17]
BingoBoingo	If I have to pay a TSA fee to fucking look at a USian aeroplane, I am fucking going to a mexican aeroporte	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	Not Canadian because winter is coming, I'd like to live long enough to have not eaten poutine.	[05:19]
asciilifeform	obligatory: http://xkcd.com/180	[05:19]
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assbot	xkcd: Canada	[05:19]
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TheNewDeal	hahahha	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Exactly that. Canadian citizenship is work. Argentine is staying out of their jails.	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	And no Argentine politicians have picked a rap beef with me yet.	[05:21]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: remember why most people in usa - stuck. nothing to do with paperwork. just the banal fact that - no way to eat.	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: If I get to the river that (is finally wet nao foiling my plans) I have ~ 2 days of food beyond that.	[05:22]
asciilifeform	then ?	[05:23]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well, what are rattlesnakes and Gila monsters made of?	[05:23]
asciilifeform	eat those for remaining days?	[05:23]
asciilifeform	can do that in usa.	[05:23]
BingoBoingo	Not this far North.	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	We have less fun critters of last resort in the outside pantry	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	In the worst case though the plan is to go pack and forth across the border with $40k stuffed up my ass each time	[05:25]
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Namworld	What did you do? Need to get out of US, eh?	[05:27]
asciilifeform	Namworld: no need to have 'done'	[05:27]
asciilifeform	!s crime of american	[05:27]
assbot	12 results for 'crime of american' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crime+of+american	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	Namworld: I got interviewed by the FBI man, and Allegedly I spoke on issues of local politics in the neighboring counties	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: There's also the problem where I still dun have passporte	[05:29]
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BingoBoingo	My fucking alabaster drive-thru lawyer has to be in practice probably the biggest nigger I have had the misfortune of trusting in my life.	[05:30]
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*	danielpbarron doesn't have a passport either	[05:30]
danielpbarron	which reminds me of a conversation I had a while back, in which I speculated that someone who is sufficiently wealthy does not need a passport	[05:31]
Namworld	Oh, yeah... I see trilema article. I know of that law comics.	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	With respect to the issue of local corruption though... I might be up to doing a month in jail if it means I get 3-4 lawyers in the prosecutors office sanctioned. The Federal stuff though would make me walk.	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	The part where federal DA's routinely threaten people with 30 years in prison just to see if they can say anything interesting.	[05:32]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if you have what it takes to earn a living in the free world - don't wait for torquemada.	[05:33]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEOV0O7k9YU << obligatory	[05:34]
assbot	Mel Brooks Torquemada - YouTube	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo if you don';t actually care about time it's likely cheaper to drive to mexico anyway	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	can do that in usa. << not legally.	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	Well, last I priced the esacpe it was ~300 dollars to the border and ~$2000 to hardware BA. Not counting the part where I leave the car in Laredo it die.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	you cna prolly just sell it.	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That would require Title paperwork and all that. best to just leave the keys in with a sweater I bled all over half a mile from the bridge.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	no it wouldn't lol.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	sell it to a chop shop or w/e	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	An option maybe. I also headed to Argentina fear bringing in insufficient dollars to blue up.	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	you look burly enough, you can prolly get a job as an arbolito.	[05:39]
BingoBoingo	I'm all beard though an little muscle.	[05:40]
BingoBoingo	On the plus side though, little fat.	[05:40]
BingoBoingo	I guess I can bee a tree though.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	arbolito = dudes hanging around florida trading dollars for pesos	[05:41]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[05:42]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, beards went from cool to terrifying here today	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	http://xkcd.com/191/	[05:43]
assbot	xkcd: Lojban	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	Like the dream version of the mov kind of involves everything I carry into harware #b-a being paper	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: You forget I'm the sort of person at least one local politican wants to equate with Isis even though I am not the least bit fond of Sand Niggers.	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	I just wonder what the safe way to do BTC-Dollars-Pesos is when Pesos rise to 7 per dollar	[05:45]
cazalla	gov only just raised the terror alert to high here last week, i'm guessing this is in response to that, they arrested 15, i bet they let all but a few go once their show is said and done	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	cazalla 15 whats ?	[05:46]
cazalla	bearded terrorists	[05:46]
BingoBoingo	'Murca never lets go.	[05:46]
BingoBoingo	In Murica you don't even need a beard to be a Turrorist. Heard it on KMOX.	[05:47]
cazalla	apparently heads were gonna roll in the streets of australia	[05:48]
cazalla	(let me grab my camera)	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/ferguson-mob-threatens-stl-county-leaders-if-darren-wilson-get-off-yall-better-bring-every-army-yall-got-cause-its-going-down/ << Bezzel	[05:49]
assbot	Ferguson Mob Threatens StL County Leaders: If Wilson Get Off, Yall Better Bring Every Army Y Got, Cuz Its Going Down \| The Gateway Pundit	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	i read that as "the gay pundit"	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	and i thought wtf, pundits are supposed to be all angry and glum, not gay	[05:50]
BingoBoingo	No they are all of the above, angry, gay, and glum	[05:51]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2.89738396 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 80,754.	[05:51]
cazalla	poor kids in ferguson, just like the ones in this video, din do nuffins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQfg52m0-4o	[05:51]
assbot	Hey White People: A Kinda Awkward Note to America by #Ferguson Kids by FCKH8.com - YouTube	[05:51]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Too young o engage in political speech	[05:52]
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BingoBoingo	!up devthedev	[05:53]
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mircea_popescu	gee whiz look at that. just like south africa over there.	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	Speaking of young how are you devthedev	[05:53]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, the adults step in at the end to raise money for charities that fight racism	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: No, people count in the insurection from the age of 16 to 36	[05:53]
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devthedev	Good, how are you BingoBoingo?	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	If you need Cialis you are too old. If Cialis kills you by priaprism you are too young	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: Not bad	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: Just kinda paranoid as fuck	[05:54]
devthedev	Cialis is not for daily use	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: Sure, approved for every other day though.	[05:54]
devthedev	I hope I never have ED.	[05:55]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: Don't we all	[05:56]
asciilifeform	'Last Bullet Health & Life Insurance Co.' - covers ed...	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't mind. licking ain't so bad.	[05:56]
BingoBoingo	Only cause that cunt juice is psychotropic	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	no no i mean licking me	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	AH	[05:57]
TheNewDeal	bb did you have any other encounters after the first interview with the 2 derps?	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Not yet	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: But the paranoia I'm feeling is "special"	[05:57]
TheNewDeal	I think many would feel the same in your position	[05:58]
devthedev	Yeah, I can't even imagine.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	eh dawg stop stroking it. nothing happened.	[05:58]
TheNewDeal	is it possible to get a passport though?	[05:58]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Fucking county mounties on their high horse about last year's alleged misdemeanor	[05:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'm working on it.	[05:59]
*	BingoBoingo would just like to be employed in the US long enough to own a taxi somewhere else.	[06:02]
devthedev	Just move to Scotland, they'll be broken off from Britain soon enough.	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: I'm not that good at swimming	[06:03]
devthedev	Would you like to borrow my boat?	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: Is it blue water capable?	[06:04]
devthedev	Yep	[06:04]
devthedev	You'd have to pick it up in FL though.	[06:05]
ChanServ	info #theredpill	[06:05]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: In that case Buenos Aires still seems a hell of a lot safer, but... Florida would offer me more places to stock up on Rum as opposed to taking the overland route.	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	I've seen Titanic. I know Scotland is surrounded by banshees.	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: Also what sort of powerplant does your boat have?	[06:08]
TheNewDeal	nucular	[06:09]
devthedev	^^	[06:09]
devthedev	You'd probably be better off with my Kayak then my wooden boat.	[06:10]
nubbins`	nucular!	[06:11]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: I smoke cigarettes though and get winded easily.	[06:11]
devthedev	Hm.	[06:12]
TheNewDeal	cannabis was my gateway drug to tobacco... if only they would have taught me in elementary school	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	;;gettrust assbot devthedev	[06:13]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=devthedev \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev \| Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	devthedev: You know you can voice yourself...	[06:14]
devthedev	Yeah, I'm not authed right now though.	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	!up devthedev	[06:14]
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devthedev	Thank you sir	[06:14]
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BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: I dunno why... Nothing about Cannibais touches tobacco's awesomeness	[06:15]
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TheNewDeal	I hung around people that mixed the two, started doing it myself, continued smoking as a habbit	[06:16]
devthedev	Something about inhaling hot smoke doesn't seem pleasant to me.	[06:17]
TheNewDeal	Temperature doesn't bother, but the lung capacity gets to you.	[06:18]
BingoBoingo	It's actually very comforting to the lungs from tobacco decline to comment on the lesser smoke	[06:18]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: I played a variant of the Tuba so maybe I have too much lung	[06:18]
TheNewDeal	I do some breathing exercises myself, but the effect from smoking is still noticeable. Along with decreased saliva production / transport through the esophagus	[06:20]
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TheNewDeal	Can someone explain this bet to me? Why not wait 7ish days Bet placed: 2.89738396 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 80,754.	[06:24]
assbot	BitBet - 20% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 5.39 B (51%) on Yes, 5.09 B (49%) on No \| closing in 2 months 2 weeks \| weight: 80`729 (100`000 to 1`000)	[06:24]
mike_c	perhpas the bettor is not considering this period only.	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	Prolly	[06:28]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[06:28]
gribble	Current Blocks: 321271 \| Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 \| Next Difficulty In: 1288 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35103070731.0 \| Estimated Percent Change: 17.67813	[06:28]
devthedev	Have a good evening everyone	[06:28]
mike_c	last 48 hours have been busiest two days for bitbet this month.. right after btcalpha launched the analyzer. coincidence?	[06:29]
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TheNewDeal	was wondering that as well	[06:30]
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TheNewDeal	lots of bets I had made that lied inactive for a long time were bet on after that was released	[06:31]
mike_c	well i am rooting for bitbet. tired of building tools that are obsolete a few months after i ship them.	[06:31]
TheNewDeal	would love to see them develop a separate set of betting system for price bets and difficulty	[06:32]
mike_c	what would you change?	[06:33]
TheNewDeal	the weight	[06:33]
mike_c	you can make bets with different weight. i used to make sports bets that ended at 90,000	[06:34]
TheNewDeal	well if you look at the bet I just pasted, the diff 20% increase one	[06:34]
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TheNewDeal	it would be nice if the weight dropped to near zero almost every 2016 blocks	[06:35]
TheNewDeal	In the event that this bet turns out yes early, it will get murdered by yes	[06:36]
TheNewDeal	because 2000 blocks into each change, it's very easy to answer the question "will the current change be 20% or less?"	[06:36]
mike_c	take a look here: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/877/	[06:36]
assbot	Bet 877 Analysis - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 - Btc Alpha	[06:37]
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mike_c	note that higher weight had significantly higher ROI	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	I mean this diff thing is hitting Moore's law. Future 20% diffs require... big foundries...	[06:37]
TheNewDeal	theres no timestamps displayed?	[06:37]
mike_c	there's weight :)	[06:38]
mike_c	i could put timestamps, seemed redundant.	[06:38]
TheNewDeal	but how many days difference was there between say weight 99994 and weight 56297	[06:38]
TheNewDeal	it's important	[06:38]
mike_c	about 5 weeks	[06:39]
TheNewDeal	especially when one considers their return/day or return annualized	[06:39]
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mike_c	well, if you are focused on return/day you should only bet on things that are going to close early.	[06:42]
TheNewDeal	well, risk has a part to play in it	[06:43]
TheNewDeal	for instance, I once bet on a "price will drop below 400 before X"	[06:43]
TheNewDeal	price dropped to exactly 400	[06:44]
TheNewDeal	no lower	[06:44]
mike_c	it's a tough way to make an easy living	[06:44]
TheNewDeal	but with difficulty you get much more data to look at	[06:44]
TheNewDeal	if I wait 2010 blocks into a 2016 block change, my certainty becomes much much greater	[06:45]
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TheNewDeal	the risk becomes almost nada	[06:46]
mike_c	so.. do that?	[06:46]
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decimation	asciilifeform: re: green hills os << I've seen this before. I'm somewhat dubious about the proposition "we r ultrasecure but we use von neumann cpuuuu!"	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	last 48 hours have been busiest two days for bitbet this month.. right after btcalpha launched the analyzer. coincidence? << :)	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal in principle one could propose and seed bets for each retarget	[06:49]
TheNewDeal	I've done the short term targets, and they're both risky and fun	[06:49]
TheNewDeal	but it becomes very difficult to pick a day in which to end the weighting at	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	mike_c actually about 20ish btc a day is the secular average for bitbet. 50 or so over 3 days is about avg neh ?	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal you can specify them by block height and have a reasonable but outside resolve date	[06:51]
TheNewDeal	I'm not saying it's impossible, but specifying the date is about as difficult as weighting the probabilty of the event occuring in the first place	[06:52]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0 << how to torture a baby.	[06:55]
assbot	Still Face Experiment: Dr. Edward Tronick - YouTube	[06:55]
dub	can you nix any bets that refer to a season as being related to a time of teh year	[06:56]
TheNewDeal	huh?	[06:57]
nubbins`	like the bet resolves as yes if the first day of spring falls on x?	[06:58]
nubbins`	;p	[06:58]
dub	its a uniquely american retardation 'its summer here and I have no concept of anything outside my neighbourhood	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	uh	[06:58]
TheNewDeal	all you have to do is look at resolution / closing date	[06:58]
TheNewDeal	I don't care what 3rd quarter for S&P500 is either. All I care about is bet closing and even resolution date (not necessarily when bitbet resolves it)	[06:59]
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dub	you went one better and gave context, '3rd quarter' is equally meaningless	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	3rd quarter is jul-aug-sept	[07:02]
TheNewDeal	it has meaning	[07:02]
dub	no it isnt	[07:03]
dub	its the 3rd quater of a financial year	[07:03]
TheNewDeal	https://www.fidelity.com/viewpoints/market-and-economic-insights/quarterly-market-update	[07:03]
assbot	Market update: Third quarter 2014 - Fidelity Investments	[07:03]
TheNewDeal	the term is used extensively	[07:03]
TheNewDeal	financial year differs from company to company, in my opinion	[07:03]
dub	yeah well US companies largely use teh calendar year	[07:04]
TheNewDeal	some companies financial year revolves around tax date in us	[07:04]
*	mircea_popescu waits for the "and july isn't really 31 days plus today should really be sept 3rd" discussion	[07:05]
TheNewDeal	:D	[07:06]
dub	we can quibble over leap secodns	[07:06]
dub	seconds*	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	or the gregorian change, or the julian change. etc.	[07:06]
TheNewDeal	mike_c in reference to different weighting mechanisms. How about a price bet that is weighted by both bitstamp price and time	[07:07]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: median since July 1 is 6 btc	[07:11]
TheNewDeal	whats sigma	[07:11]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c a day ?	[07:11]
mike_c	avg is 14.5	[07:11]
mike_c	yeah	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	but 3 days, so as to have equal basis.	[07:11]
TheNewDeal	how far is 50 above the expected 43.5 :)	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	442 in august, 543 july, 251 june, 449 may, 217 april, 1659 march etc	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	it does have some heavy variation, but anyway, 50ish for 3 days seems more or less a good estimate	[07:13]
mike_c	2 day = median 18.7, avg 28.15	[07:13]
mike_c	3 day = median 26.6, avg 41.7	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	aha	[07:14]
mike_c	so last two days 37 btc ain't bad, i'm still insinuating a causation ;)	[07:16]
TheNewDeal	how much should I zeroconf if I want to remake this bet a month from now ? http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/bitcoin-817-or-above-before-christmas/	[07:16]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas :: 1.1 B (20%) on Yes, 4.46 B (80%) on No \| closing in 3 months 2 days \| weight: 97`758 (100`000 to 1)	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i'm not saying it's bad hehe.	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal try and see, this is like a totally real virtual reality.	[07:17]
mike_c	i have to point it out quick before the data turns against me.	[07:17]
TheNewDeal	I just don't like the lag periods	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	what are lag periods ?	[07:18]
TheNewDeal	I propose	[07:18]
TheNewDeal	4 days later ... rejection	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	you must be specially unlucky.	[07:19]
mike_c	dub: actually for some stupid reason many US companies use July 1 as start of fiscal year	[07:19]
dub	mike_c: I know	[07:19]
mike_c	well then i'll shut up	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/13/creepy-expat-dates-18-year-olds-because-they-make-excellent-devoted-sex-slaves/	[07:20]
dub	I can incorporate a company with any fiscal year I like	[07:20]
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assbot	Creepy expat “dates” 18-year-olds “because they make excellent devoted sex slaves.” \| we hunted the mammoth	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	amazingly, he's not talking about me.	[07:20]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[07:20]
TheNewDeal	yes you can dub	[07:20]
dub	mike_c: its probably (as TheNewDeal said) lining up with the tax year? It does in some places by convention	[07:21]
mike_c	but tax year is calendar..	[07:21]
dub	whats mp's birthay? all future dubcorp entities shall be calendared thus	[07:22]
decimation	http://www.isegoria.net/2014/09/six-great-things-an-independent-scotland-could-do/ << lol scotland. maybe an independent scotland would give everyone a pony too	[07:22]
assbot	Six Great Things an Independent Scotland Could Do « Isegoria	[07:22]
TheNewDeal	mike_c that works for individuals	[07:22]
TheNewDeal	but not companies	[07:22]
TheNewDeal	a company declares their tax year	[07:22]
mike_c	uh	[07:22]
dub	mike_c: oh, it is? not everywhere (i get a choice)	[07:22]
mike_c	interesting. thankfully i don't do my company's books.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	dub i dun think this morsel actually ever ended up in public.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	mike_c tax year is actually april the nth or some bs in the us.	[07:23]
mike_c	that's pay date.	[07:23]
TheNewDeal	mike_c is correct	[07:23]
dub	think this illustrates my point nicely though	[07:24]
TheNewDeal	For instance, the taxes I pay on January 1 2014 - December 3x 2014 will be due on April 2x 2015	[07:24]
TheNewDeal	2x = 15	[07:25]
decimation	the usg fiscal year begins oct. 1	[07:25]
decimation	http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/091614-717643-johnson-war-on-poverty-still-hasnt-been-won.htm << us has spent 22 trillion bezzlars trying to 'end poverty', has failed.	[07:27]
assbot	Washington Has Wasted $22 Trillion In War On Poverty It Can't Win - Investors.com	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	it's not really wasted if it's not really money.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	what do i win ?	[07:28]
dub	sounds like an easy war to win? poor people can't be very well armed	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	dub in the us ? they got more guns than cars yo	[07:29]
TheNewDeal	kinda like this exsplat guy http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/pre-rational-developmentally-impaired-testosterone-challenged-haters-are-narcissists/	[07:31]
assbot	Pre-rational developmentally impaired testosterone challenged haters are narcissists « Random Xpat Rantings	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	i left a comment on the blog he's arguing with. kinda curious if it gets published.	[07:32]
TheNewDeal	he's got the usian culture pegged down quite well "This is because truth seeking through argument is not considered the point. The point is consensus, so if everybody mutually eye rolls, then the job is done. If you do not automatically join in the eye rolling, then everything you say MUST be wrong."	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	well the problem may also be that there's like 2 of him and 200 of those other guys.	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	and his 2 aren't either rich or murderous.	[07:33]
TheNewDeal	regardless, it's quite funny to see people jump from dating/fucking full grown women to pedophilia	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	i don't see the problem, she could just as well be 16 or w/e	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	pedophilia isn't being attracted to young women, they have to be children.	[07:36]
TheNewDeal	by 16 the woman is virtually sexually mature	[07:37]
TheNewDeal	I would consider an attraction to a 13 year quasi pedophilia if she was not developed	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	thankfully i dun have the job to make the sort of unpleasant call	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	i can just conveniently cherrypick and laugh at the people working in the muck of it	[07:38]
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mircea_popescu	so apparently scottish women are 58% for uk, 42% for independence, and the gap is widening	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	much to a buncha people's chagrin	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	"Women voting. A free and independent society. Choose one. The choice between the two is rarely so obvious as this, though." an' stuff.	[07:49]
TheNewDeal	widening meaning that more are going for uk?	[07:50]
BingoBoingo	Shame we can't ask moiety about the local perspective	[07:50]
TheNewDeal	;;pouradrinkfor moiety	[07:50]
gribble	Error: "pouradrinkfor" is not a valid command.	[07:50]
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mircea_popescu	yes.	[07:51]
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mircea_popescu	in other news : aggregate advertising and dating data seems to show that a 50% increase in mixed race fantasy couples being displayed over 5 eyars corresponds to a 50% increase in the affinity for white women for white men, and reciprocal, and further a decrease for both black men -> white women and black wome -> white men and reciprocal.	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	the famous uncanny valley of mixed race matrimony : the least seen it is, the more acceptable, and vice-versa.	[07:54]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0 << how to torture a baby. << interesting stuff, our bub atm goes bananas if one of us does not focus attention on him at all times	[07:54]
assbot	Still Face Experiment: Dr. Edward Tronick - YouTube	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	cazalla that's not so healthy.	[07:54]
cazalla	why's that? we were told it's just part of their growth style at this age to be clingy	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	well the part of their growth style may be to be clingy, but it's supposed to not work.	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	so they learn to cope and become fucking sane.	[07:56]
cazalla	i can't cope with the crying so it's easier to tell wife to stay with him	[07:57]
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mircea_popescu	that's a bit rich neh ?	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	let the kid choke once in a while, let the woman have her own life once in a while.	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	it won't kill either of em.	[07:59]
cazalla	she does	[07:59]
cazalla	have a life that is, choking sound is awful when we give him a new food	[08:00]
cazalla	i've been sick with flu anyway so poor woman is at her wits ends	[08:01]
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TomServo	;;bc,stats	[16:29]
gribble	Current Blocks: 321348 \| Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 \| Next Difficulty In: 1211 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 16 hours, 34 minutes, and 28 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35414008984.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: 18.7205	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	wow	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	i mean imagine if 18mos ago I said diff would be 35400000000 and we'd still be seeing 20% rises	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	prolly./	[16:31]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves prolly. i personally don't think difficulty will stop growing before 50%+1 of electricity generated on planet earth is used to hash	[16:31]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves prolly. i personally don't think difficulty will stop growing before 50%+1 of electricity generated on planet earth is used to hash	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla assbot deserted us again	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/pre-rational-developmentally-impaired-testosterone-challenged-haters-are-narcissists/#comment-18254 << funny how the "bad guys" of horribru untold evils autopublish comments, whereas the "good guys" of the hivemind never approve anything even slightly out of their altreality.	[16:34]
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kakobrekla	a	[16:38]
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kakobrekla	thar	[16:39]
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mircea_popescu	punkman: close, 3 have big tits << depends on whether we accept some particular notions as to the genetics that cause big tits dunnit ?	[16:39]
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Namworld	Yes, assbot is back	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	there's not just one, female inherited factor. there's at least three, of which at least one skips a generation.	[16:39]
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mircea_popescu	danke kakobrekla	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	punkman: some quotes I saved: "actually tbh i would make people money except i cant be bothered, i dont really wanna make anyone rich to get more money myself, id rather just chill in my room and drink cider and think up new ideas" <<< i'm saving this one for the next time some derp comes up with "a billionaire dude would never hang out in irc with us rubes"	[16:40]
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mircea_popescu	!up brayden	[16:42]
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kakobrekla	;;ticker	[16:43]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 431.13, Best ask: 432.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 431.11, 24 hour volume: 12257.64551894, 24 hour low: 431.11, 24 hour high: 457.09, 24 hour vwap: 448.026931997	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	sub-ad hominem attacks lmao	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	interesting coinage.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	course the sub should qualify the homo not the preposition. subhominem addack or something.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "I've at this point given up at editing any of the text at all. " << this is often a clue the whole thing is not worth publishing, as painful as may be. ie, if one guy can't be bothered to spend an extra minute on the strength of the material, there's cause to believe a thousand readers shouldn't be asked to spend that one second it takes them to decide they don't want it.	[16:48]
ThickAsThieves	"Overstock to Donate 4% of Bitcoin Revenue to Foundations Advocating Cryptocurrency Adoption"	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty much the only good way to pander to your readership, and yes they can tell.	[16:48]
punkman	mircea_popescu: but their name's Beaumont, it runs in the family	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they weren't making jack were they.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	punkman sure, but no guarantee is made both their mother and grandmother was heavy bosomed.	[16:49]
ThickAsThieves	accounting dept days "hey you know those btc you are retaining, they are plummeting" "well donate that shit so we can write it off!"	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you may be on to something.	[16:49]
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ThickAsThieves	"Overstock has initially selected the Chamber of Digital Commerce"	[16:50]
ThickAsThieves	sigh	[16:50]
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ThickAsThieves	at least it wasnt TBF i guess	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	wait, is this the brunette chick w/e her name was ?	[16:50]
ThickAsThieves	tho i still think bitcoingirl should just take up a career in playing a dame in movies	[16:51]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[16:51]
ThickAsThieves	she's so... dick tracy looking	[16:51]
ThickAsThieves	what is that, russian?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	ouch. well this chick's overbite... here's the problem : before now when her pretentiousness flopped, it would have been just a young woman being naive. but now, with 4% of overstock REVENUE, if the thing flops she's just a failure.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	kids, just won't stay out of the fire for the life of them.	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	OSTK is foing decently tho	[16:53]
ThickAsThieves	weathered the selloff	[16:53]
ThickAsThieves	doing*	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	which is ostk ?	[16:53]
ThickAsThieves	overstock	[16:54]
peterl	did they actually mean revenue or is it profit?	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	i read revenue.	[16:54]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin revenue	[16:54]
ThickAsThieves	my tax theory was meant to be serious tho	[16:54]
ThickAsThieves	i bet they were retaineding 4% in bitcoin	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what do you mean weathered the selloff ? you mean they had a stock selloff or what ?	[16:54]
peterl	tax theory sounds good to me	[16:54]
ThickAsThieves	i mean Wall St had a lil correction this week	[16:55]
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ThickAsThieves	ostk didnt budge	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	not really that notable	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	just wanted to check the stock	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	the volatility mostly hit popular stocks	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	tsla, etc	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	nflx	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[16:56]
peterl	stuff in bubbles?	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	i vaguely recall their published btc sales figures were piddly, but w/e	[16:56]
ThickAsThieves	as of mid-Aug it was $2m with $5m projection for year end	[16:58]
ThickAsThieves	probly more like 3m	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	someone should figure out how that projector works lol	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway i recall something more like 200k or w/e, back in spring.	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	they probably apply xmas sales bump proportionally to bitcoin sales for projection	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	altough i cant imagine xmas shopping at overstock...	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	punkman: http://object2212.com/?p=217 << ok this shit is cool.	[17:00]
assbot	Safe and sound \| object 2212	[17:00]
mats_cd03	i can imagine post-xmas sales being a thing	[17:00]
mats_cd03	people spending btc they dont want, etc.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	“This record was hand shaped and individually cut in real time using a vintage 1940s Presto 75A recording lathe. It is a unique piece. It is not the same as a traditional pressed record. It was not made in a factory. It was hand carved from an 8ft sheet of polycarbonate plastic, shaped, sanded, waxed and cut in real time by one person.”	[17:01]
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mats_cd03	paper wallet gifts from that weird nephew...	[17:01]
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punkman	got my posters from nubbins, but arsepost says they'll need a couple of days to locate them...	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	punkman is that your blog ?	[17:02]
punkman	no	[17:02]
punkman	I'm over at extemporized.com	[17:03]
chetty	give btc for xmas gifts, save shopping	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	someone with a forum account please to tell klech guy he's cool and to drop by.	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	yeah everyone's getting bit"coins" for xmas	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	krach i mean. this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505131.0	[17:04]
mats_cd03	http://www.amazon.com/High-Resolution-Display-Adaptive-PagePress-Sensors/dp/B00IOY8XWQ new kindle available for pre-order	[17:04]
assbot	Sound Wallet Audio Cold Storage - Your private key as .wav, CD, or a Record	[17:04]
assbot	Kindle Voyage Touch Screen E-Reader with Light	[17:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://object2212.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Cryptolator_tenth_front_02-1024x666.jpg << this is perhaps the best coin design i've seen so far	[17:06]
mats_cd03	i don't get it.	[17:07]
mats_cd03	they're swimming away from a bank?	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	flood of fiat i dunno	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	i just mean it's not the usual "here's me with a straight line tool" bs like http://object2212.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Cryptovest_front-1024x759.jpg	[17:08]
peterl	does anybody here use bitmessage?	[17:08]
ThickAsThieves	the art looks like a bunch of bitcoiners reaching to escape to bitcoin and failing	[17:09]
ThickAsThieves	kinda cool if you imagine the coin to be one of the dropped coins from the failures i guess	[17:10]
jurov	they put the bank on fire and fucking on the stairs. me like.	[17:10]
ThickAsThieves	oh wait i get it now!	[17:11]
fluffypony	peterl: I do	[17:11]
ThickAsThieves	they are doing a jailbreak of their money	[17:11]
ThickAsThieves	chains are tearing down the bank	[17:11]
peterl	is it useful? do you like it?	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony i was thinking, "prolly fluff, he uses all the weird things" but then i was like, give the guy a break, don't say anything	[17:11]
fluffypony	lol	[17:11]
ThickAsThieves	i installed bitmessage once, then i realized there was no one to talk to	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	can you cockroulette with bitmessage ?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 << i'm only now realising what a fucking seminal and foundational piece this is.	[17:13]
assbot	Loper OS » Modern Chumpatronic Engineering.	[17:13]
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mircea_popescu	it's really badly titled which is what threw me off originally. it's really the counterpart to my economic theory piece, it should be "a complete theory of sociology"	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	it also needs some references to skinner.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you mind if i rewrite your article ?	[17:14]
kakobrekla	how the hell does he make those vinyl records	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ikr?	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	exactly what i wanna ask him. pm the guy.	[17:16]
punkman	on a lathe	[17:17]
jurov	r/buttcoin utterly clueless on this one, troll if you feel like: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2gq5ja/have_thirty_buttcoins_want_to_trade_buttscoins/	[17:17]
assbot	Have thirty buttcoins? Want to trade buttscoins for buttstock? Like poorly designed websites and complex instructions to do simple things? THE FUTURE IS HERE! : Buttcoin	[17:17]
kakobrekla	on a lathe < i guess that might work for digital data	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	all data is digital!11	[17:18]
punkman	http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/recording.technology.history/lathe.html	[17:18]
assbot	Disk-Cutting & Recording Lathes	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	but yes, the reviewer's comment about "sharp around the edges" suggests it's number-powered	[17:18]
punkman	vinyl burners	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	buttcoin isnt even insulting you properly	[17:19]
punkman	oh wow, he has one of these: http://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Presto_model_A1.jpg	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	kakobrekla, the audio is likely made in "high contrast" so it's analog smoothing doesnt affect the data	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	its	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves not an easy thing to do.	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	sure it is, it's done in how he makes the conversion fo audio in the first place	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	to	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	buttcoin isnt even insulting you properly <<	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	almost like writing to a hard disk	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	well exactly like i guess	[17:21]
kakobrekla	my point was, you precision can be off with digital data, with analog it would sound bad.	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	opposite?	[17:21]
kakobrekla	wha?	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	lmao wtf.	[17:22]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:22]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 433.27, Best ask: 433.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 433.32, 24 hour volume: 12438.31420448, 24 hour low: 431.11, 24 hour high: 457.09, 24 hour vwap: 446.292395934	[17:22]
thestringpuller	!l m s.mpoe	[17:22]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00075027 BTC [-]	[17:22]
kakobrekla	with digital you have 1 and 0 and thresholds that compensate for your loss of precision	[17:22]
kakobrekla	with analog, well you just get shit out.	[17:22]
kakobrekla	(not to mention crc or some such)	[17:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: glad you liked it. go ahead, use it for something, have fun.	[17:23]
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mircea_popescu	this IS going to be fun. brb.	[17:24]
gernika	peterl I use BItmessage	[17:24]
gernika	peterl currently it appears to be broken	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	interesting phenomenon with AM shares, now that they dont pay divs, no one can verify ownerships	[17:25]
peterl	gernika do you find it useful when it is not broken?	[17:25]
thestringpuller	https://dpaste.de/Non0/raw << uhm?	[17:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.18199999 = 1.274 BTC [+] {2}	[17:26]
thestringpuller	17:20 That is how people protect themsevles in the real world, and it works. VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there. << ~_~	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	lol the guys says WoT is a scam, then explains how to use a WoT	[17:27]
gernika	peterl It may be permanently broken. But I did find it useful, yes. Currently looking at fixes.	[17:27]
peterl	how is it broken?	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	"VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there."	[17:27]
peterl	gotta love all those bezzle dollars	[17:27]
gernika	The network is being spammed with low POW broadcast messages.	[17:27]
peterl	isn't it supposed to ignore low POW messages?	[17:28]
gernika	To the point where people aren't getting messages	[17:28]
gernika	Unfortunately the POW cutoff level appears to be a constant.	[17:28]
peterl	isn't it open source, can't people go into the code and change the hard codings?	[17:29]
peterl	or am I confused?	[17:29]
gernika	petrel yes - everyone could update their constant manually. But that's only a temporary fix.	[17:30]
asciilifeform	vinyl record wallet << good art project, but - bad steganography. breaks the '#1 rule of stego - must not talk about the stego.'	[17:30]
asciilifeform	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#542826	[17:30]
assbot	Logged on 03-03-2014 05:44:01; asciilifeform: benkay: remember that steganography, unlike cryptography, cannot be simultaneously strong and standardized.	[17:30]
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gernika	peterl perhaps "permanently" was a bad choice of words. "Seriously" would be better.	[17:31]
punkman	asciilifeform: at least it uses encrypted priv keys	[17:32]
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asciilifeform	how the hell does he make those vinyl records >> phonograph.	[17:36]
kakobrekla	i thought those were out of order.	[17:36]
asciilifeform	out of order ?	[17:37]
kakobrekla	not made and used any more	[17:37]
asciilifeform	can still get vintage one. or, in one or two evenings, build yourself.	[17:37]
asciilifeform	all you need is basic machine tools. edison had his built (afaik, the man's only actual proven invention, that he stole nowhere) for 20 usd (of the period) in a day or so.	[17:38]
asciilifeform	(perhaps ~1k usd of today)	[17:38]
kakobrekla	well i wonder which one of those is it	[17:38]
kakobrekla	that the guy is using.	[17:39]
asciilifeform	chances are, vintage unit. otherwise, he'd probably succumb to the temptation to post photos of hand-crafted phonograph.	[17:39]
chetty	http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/how-financial-bubbles-fester-and-burst-even-as-the-fed-says-not-to-worry/	[17:40]
assbot	How Financial Bubbles Fester And Burst—Even As The Fed Says Not To Worry \| David Stockman's Contra Corner	[17:40]
*	kakobrekla is curious what the audio quality would be from that particular unit	[17:41]
peterl	p0[[	[17:41]
peterl	ack, my kid is attacking the keyboard :(	[17:42]
kakobrekla	o, got a new random pass generator?	[17:42]
peterl	would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator?	[17:43]
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kakobrekla	better than most passwords out there	[17:44]
*	asciilifeform remembers late-'90s 'cat-on-keyboard detector' proggy	[17:44]
kakobrekla	lol?	[17:44]
asciilifeform	it was a thing that would 'lock' a winblows box to prevent damage from paws hitting random keys	[17:44]
kakobrekla	hah	[17:44]
asciilifeform	after a string of x keys that suggest 'cat'	[17:45]
asciilifeform	(e.g., adjacent n-tuplets in cat paw cluster shapes, etc)	[17:45]
kakobrekla	how did it work, with dict?	[17:45]
kakobrekla	a	[17:45]
kakobrekla	well but thats limited to cats then	[17:46]
kakobrekla	change the animal, need to change code.	[17:46]
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nubbins`	pascale had one of those extensions on her mac	[17:52]
nubbins`	we successfully engaged it by pressing a spread palm on the keyboard	[17:53]
nubbins`	i think it's essentially just looking for long keypresses, indicating something heavy is on the kb	[17:53]
nubbins`	"CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED" appears on-screen and one must type "human" to unlock	[17:53]
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kakobrekla	>PawSense normally recognizes a cat on the keyboard within one or two pawsteps	[17:59]
kakobrekla	ha!	[17:59]
kakobrekla	disable nkro and see how you do :D	[17:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18199999 = 0.91 BTC [+] {2}	[18:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 775 @ 0.0075 = 5.8125 BTC [+]	[18:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1001 @ 0.0075 = 7.5075 BTC [+] {2}	[18:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.0075 = 0.6975 BTC [+]	[18:23]
mike_c	^ 50% above mkt price..	[18:25]
kakobrekla	hm?	[18:26]
kakobrekla	;;t h rent	[18:26]
gribble	Error: This url is not on the whitelist.	[18:26]
kakobrekla	!t h rent	[18:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.00658679 / 0.00750000 (2927 shares, 19.27954758 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00587807 / 0.00750000 (4188 shares, 24.61737394 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00466943 / 0.00750000 (13039 shares, 60.88467446 BTC)	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	they closed the normal market again for the "IPO"	[18:26]
*	kakobrekla does not understand these shenanigans	[18:28]
mats_cd03	b-but, 'equity shares'	[18:28]
fluffypony	!up Mrstickball	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	to be fair, it should go up when btcusd goes down	[18:30]
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fluffypony	!up Mrstickball	[18:30]
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fluffypony	silly bot	[18:30]
punkman	why is anyone buying at .0075 instead of waiting until after IPO?	[18:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.17048958 = 20.1178 BTC [-] {16}	[18:31]
punkman	Mrstickball: are the old ones not equity-bearing?	[18:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 82 @ 0.16410326 = 13.4565 BTC [-] {13}	[18:32]
nubbins`	here's their SEC filing for this IPO	[18:33]
nubbins`	http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1615433/000161543314000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml	[18:33]
assbot	SEC FORM D	[18:33]
nubbins`	"Minimum investment accepted from any outside investor $10,000 USD"	[18:33]
nubbins`	i guess for these purposes havelock would be the "investor"	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	sounds right, from what i recall about how havelock wanted to do thinks	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	things	[18:34]
nubbins`	innnnteresting	[18:34]
nubbins`	ah, yeah	[18:35]
nubbins`	"Regardless of whether securities in the offering have been or may be sold to persons who do not qualify as accredited investors, enter the total number of investors who already have invested in the offering: 1"	[18:35]
ThickAsThieves	lol, SEC filing for a 1to1 deal?	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	not sure if that's normal	[18:36]
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thestringpuller	!t h rent	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.00659606 / 0.00750000 (2957 shares, 19.50454758 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00588961 / 0.00750000 (4218 shares, 24.84237394 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00467593 / 0.00750000 (13069 shares, 61.10967446 BTC)	[18:38]
thestringpuller	jeezus	[18:38]
ThickAsThieves	my wife is all 'maybe this bitcoin thing isnt such a good idea' because we have to pay cap gains tax	[18:38]
thestringpuller	can't people just throw up shares at 0.0075	[18:38]
ThickAsThieves	I attempted to explain that all income is taxed and most at that rate	[18:38]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: well cap gains on bitcoin is really high like both on income + property	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	same as "ordinary income:	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	"	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	she feels a "real job" to pay less taxes...	[18:39]
thestringpuller	my accountant was like "If you want fiat you're gonna get double taxed since some of this btc was earned through working"	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	i should get*	[18:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]	[18:39]
xmj	ThickAsThieves: are you kidding me lol	[18:39]
thestringpuller	which is like close to 50%	[18:40]
ThickAsThieves	your accountant sounds like he misunderstands something	[18:40]
*	xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw	[18:40]
ThickAsThieves	you dont pay income tax twice	[18:40]
thestringpuller	no you don't	[18:40]
thestringpuller	you pay income tax	[18:40]
thestringpuller	THEN you pay cap gains tax on property	[18:40]
thestringpuller	if the btc you receive appreciates	[18:40]
ThickAsThieves	right, buit it wouldnt be profit after you got paid in it	[18:41]
ThickAsThieves	it cant be both	[18:41]
thestringpuller	they want both taxes apparently?	[18:41]
mats_cd03	why don't you just convert it to cash	[18:41]
thestringpuller	~_~	[18:41]
thestringpuller	i'm just going to continue to hide it	[18:41]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[18:41]
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thestringpuller	under my mattress and pretend i am broke colelge student still	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	best part is, she wants me to sell more bitcoins to pay the taxes	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right?	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	know*	[18:44]
teward	thestringpuller: isnt that on the sale of capital? i.e. capital gains at the time of sale.	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	its not a gain til you get the cash	[18:44]
teward	at least in the USA, we get taxed that as part of our income tax, but depending on the length of the ownership of the item which gets you capital gains, there's different tax rates	[18:45]
ThickAsThieves	are the people that paid you in bitcoin issuing a 1099?	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/	[18:46]
assbot	A complete theory of sociology pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:46]
asciilifeform	neato!	[18:47]
*	asciilifeform reads	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	"VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there." << what's ilegit fraud ? fraudy-fraud ?	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	vinyl record wallet << good art project, << tis the art project that caught my eye	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	theyre just words mp, dont dig too deep!	[18:47]
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ThickAsThieves	words are like crayons, you can make anything you want, in any color you want	[18:48]
rithm	i like to make money disappear	[18:48]
*	rithm is waaaay overextended purposefully	[18:48]
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thestringpuller	teward: yea if you own the property for X amount of time the capital gains taxes are waived. This is a loophole for homeowners, btc falls under the same statutes. But you still have to pay income tax on income from BTC. I.e. i get paid in BTC as part of some employment contract. The receipt of those coins needs to be claimed with the IRS and then you gotta pay whatever during income tax.	[18:49]
thestringpuller	They gray area of course is if you never liquidate...	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	it's not gray	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	when you convert to fiat, if there's gain, there's tax due, if not, then not	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	also there is no loophole	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	you pay long OR short term rate	[18:50]
thestringpuller	yes but that's not included if say you pay me X BTC to mow your lawn all year and I don't convert BTC to fiat	[18:50]
asciilifeform	there is an ancient law involved. 'не пойман — не вор' - 'not caught -- not thief.' known in english lands, if i'm not mistaken, as 'the eleventh commandment.'	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	why would you report underthetable income?	[18:51]
teward	thestringpuller: that's a gray area that you could argue in the tax courts, but you're right. if you don't liquidate the BTC and hold the BTC for over one fiscal year then those bitcoins are only subject to the capital gains tax as well as the income tax IF the liquidation occurs during that fiscal year. At any later date after the BTC has been held for a year it should be the case that it's THEN capital gains taxed.	[18:51]
thestringpuller	additionally as property if you own said property for X amount of time (i don't know the exact figure in this state), you get the capital gains waived.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	peterl> would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator? << nah.	[18:51]
teward	thestringpuller: if we want to be truly logical about analyzing this situation... then lets look at state taxes as well	[18:52]
teward	thestringpuller: in theory you're paying four taxes on that BTC income, state and federal income, and then capital gains for both	[18:52]
thestringpuller	yea the loophole is just to hold and liquidate after the expiration of capital gains.	[18:52]
teward	ehhhhhhhhhhh that's not entirely accurate	[18:52]
teward	capital gains can be done in the long term, the rate is just LOWER for the tax. at least in the US	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	why is anyone buying at .0075 instead of waiting until after IPO? << or even having waited for a day BEFORE the ipo ?	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	it was actully discussed here etc.	[18:53]
teward	thestringpuller: differs state-to-state but you have to look at the 'two tax laws' imposed, one being state, one being federal :/	[18:53]
asciilifeform	this - is riotously funny. this is like watching german jews in '36 sit around a table and talk about how they'll 'game the system.'	[18:53]
kakobrekla	peterl> would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator? << nah. < better than 12-yo and prolly even 22.	[18:53]
thestringpuller	People who have owned a house for 20-30 years and it's escalated in value are not subject to capital gains. (I know this to be true because I know many people who have sold their houses for more than they bought them and have not gotten taxed for it. The only tax attached to the transaction is sales tax on the buyer).	[18:53]
asciilifeform	when the dekulakization squad wants your usd - they'll take it.	[18:53]
thestringpuller	that's only in this state	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	* xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw <<< sure, but doing what.	[18:54]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: when the dekulakization squad wants your usd << hence not holding usd	[18:54]
nubbins`	what is a usd?	[18:55]
nubbins`	also, just discovered bitpremier	[18:55]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: usa dollar	[18:55]
nubbins`	alf, i was joking D:	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	bitpremier is connected to secondmarket guy	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	his brother or something	[18:55]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves yeah, last name sounded familiar	[18:55]
nubbins`	dilbert or silbert or something	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	my wife is all 'maybe this bitcoin thing isnt such a good idea' << if i had to take a bet on the matter, it'd go like so : it has exactly zero to do with any rationalisation she comes up with and everything to do with how annoyingly you've changed since getting involved with these loser geeks.	[18:55]
teward	thestringpuller: keep in mind homes are governed under separate rules as well	[18:55]
teward	thestringpuller: there's a lot of home-specific laws and tax rules that other capital gains aren't included under	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	mp that is in the mix, yes	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	but i suspect it goes even deeper	[18:56]
nubbins`	even deeper!	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	...	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:56]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves, mircea_popescu: 'taken up with the wrong crowd', lol	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	there's deeper than that ?!	[18:56]
nubbins`	p is very much the opposite	[18:56]
nubbins`	sell my btc and i'll cut you, etc	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	she doesnt know the half of you guys, for one	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` not everyone's hitched it with a slut yo.	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	for two, i'm starting to feel like no aamount of money (in bitcoin) will be real to her	[18:57]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves time to go read up on game, frame, hand and all that.	[18:57]
thestringpuller	buy her a diamond ring on bitpremier	[18:57]
thestringpuller	call it a night	[18:57]
nubbins`	heh	[18:57]
nubbins`	buy her a copy of the jan 3 2009 times	[18:57]
nubbins`	even better	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	mp wassat?	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	dude she got a new suv, solar panels, hw floors, vacations	[18:58]
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ThickAsThieves	it's not about the material things	[18:58]
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asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: no aamount of money (in bitcoin) will be real << to make it feel 'real', convert to a tangible. like an swift escape rocket from usaschwitz	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well sadly they're pua concepts, but they already wrote fiddy billion words on the topic since 2010 and im too lazy to re-write the shit in 100k. especially since in the 5bn words they actually did cover 90% of the 100k, and you should be able to filter.	[18:59]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform his won't come.	[19:00]
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ThickAsThieves	yeah but i have no idea where to look	[19:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: his wife wants to remain behind the wire?	[19:00]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves - ?	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	she does	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	she's the only reason i'm still here	[19:00]
thestringpuller	can't you just kidnap her?	[19:00]
thestringpuller	move to argentina	[19:00]
asciilifeform	what does she want in usa ?	[19:00]
thestringpuller	not that I condone kidnapping	[19:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27202039 BTC to 15`091 shares, 8429 satoshi per share	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly, what do you want from me. im not hiding any kidnapped us chicks for you folks.	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	some people are happy in the system	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	she has her family, a job she likes, etc	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	in fairness, she's probably getting more for her buck there than in any possible alternative.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	argentina included.	[19:01]
penguirker	New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/18/you-cant-elect-strong-shepherds-and-you-cant-produce-anything-of-value-without-them/	[19:02]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	it really isnt about the money	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	she makes plenty on her own	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	"more" didn't mean money.	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.53291096 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 742 satoshi per share	[19:02]
thestringpuller	"happiness" ???	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	respec, attention, the feeling of doing the right thing, we	[19:02]
thestringpuller	impregnate her and take the kid to argentina	[19:02]
thestringpuller	again not condoning kidnapping	[19:02]
thestringpuller	just saying	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	i think it's something like 'social relevance' or justifying ones own existence	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla not really, cause small kid tends to paw, and clustered keys is one of the main enemies of entropy	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	having kids didnt work out for us	[19:03]
kakobrekla	slightly bigger tend to dict.	[19:03]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform must be russian	[19:04]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves so divest all your btc and pick up a hobby	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/ start there follow links ?	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	this is more reading than the logs tho	[19:04]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: actually these were, if i recall, german. 17th-18th c.	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	mp this is the path to the hand frame concepts?	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	well it's one of their luminaries.	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	and you can provide no overview?	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	alternatively could use http://www.returnofkings.com/ or http://heartiste.wordpress.com/	[19:05]
assbot	Return Of Kings - For masculine men	[19:05]
assbot	Chateau Heartiste	[19:05]
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mircea_popescu	well if i could condense it in 500 words i would have already.	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	seems like the quest you are sending me on is "to understand woman"	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	a quest one probly dies along before completing...	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	nah, just some keywords in a specific set of... philosophy is muchly said, but anyway. worldview	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	word	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	there's this group of people, who figure they've figured out women. they're not entirely correct, but they do have some good points.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	and since we're on the topic, it's fucking incredible to me how abandonedly they link to each other.	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	i could probly just learn more about her mom and map onto her	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	it's not even a matter of, some people in a conclave circle jerking	[19:07]
mike_c	i can confirm that a 1 yr old is terrible random number generator. they focus on a small subset of keys and bang.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	no, they link to nobodies, to beginners, to people in their comments, they link like their fucking life depends on it	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	i suspect it's exactly the only reason they eked into a modicum of relevancy for the social discourse	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile "the press" avoids linking to people like the plague, as the quoted piece from maddox yest showed. and i suspect this has a lot to do with their collapse, it's not the internet, is that they misunderstood the importance of reference.	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	i can see it now "whatcha reading, babe?" "The Ugly Reality Of Open Relationships"	[19:09]
asciilifeform	they link to nobodies, to beginners << unmistakeable, dire sign of a field not yet (and perhaps never) mature. you need some beginnings of a fissure between the alchemists and the chemists, astrologists and astronomers.	[19:09]
asciilifeform	if they all 'link to each other' - you have only alchemy, astrology.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is what i thought too, 2011ish. but here's the thing : these people now do book deals,	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	they saw money.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	and they STILL behave correctly.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	my own pet theory, which you may laugh at as you will, is that the difference is the investment of hate. these people hate women, fundamentally, and as such they no longer need to look out for enemies, and so everyone else is a friend.	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	the press meanwhile knows no greater enemy than... another press outlet, especially in the same market	[19:10]
thestringpuller	isn't that the case with any industry?	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	the investment of hate results in online success, the failure to invest it results in online failure.	[19:10]
asciilifeform	press also has enemies it can, as a whole, agree on. untermenschen, if you like. some things 'it would not do' to print.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	no, it does not. it seems to, but it does not.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	consider what that "unfit to print" was in 1950, and in 1975, and in 2000.	[19:11]
asciilifeform	;;google autosaurus ad	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, the pua people DO have things they'll never print.	[19:11]
gribble	Autosaurus - YouTube: ; Adbusters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Sim City: Auto-Saurus-Rex, Volcano, UFO's in Spacington! - Spacing ...:	[19:11]
asciilifeform	^ trivial example	[19:12]
*	mircea_popescu is unconvinced.	[19:12]
asciilifeform	or, also trivial example, that chinese sub off the californian coast.	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[19:13]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 428.8, Best ask: 428.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 428.8, 24 hour volume: 12826.14394427, 24 hour low: 428.8, 24 hour high: 455.29, 24 hour vwap: 444.293570279	[19:13]
asciilifeform	or, or.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=abc_classy << referenced maddox piece, for the convenience of the students of the future.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, see, those are circumstantial. it's not about the press. if the chinese took over tomorrow it'd be all over the washington post.	[19:14]
asciilifeform	certainly the tabloids would love to print a sensational turd about the sub. but then editor's phone rings, and 'editors can also have problems'	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	i'm talking about things that are fundamental, not mere convention built atop and supported on nothing really.	[19:14]
asciilifeform	aha!	[19:14]
asciilifeform	fundamental to press per se ?	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[19:14]
asciilifeform	then yes.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftOCN1jkNo	[19:18]
assbot	Ali G - Feminism - YouTube	[19:18]
thestringpuller	ali g in da house	[19:19]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1316.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,517.	[19:21]
asciilifeform	'Because apparently nobody creates anything anymore, and it all belongs to Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Instagram, right assholes?' << this is fundamental.	[19:24]
xmj	hahahahaha now that's a weird bet.	[19:25]
asciilifeform	imagine if actual, scientifically-honest medicine were entirely forgotten, and the licensing authorities in your country permitted only witch doctors, whose main remedy is blood-letting.	[19:25]
asciilifeform	(some people see this as something which has already happened, but that's besides the point of the example)	[19:25]
asciilifeform	is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ?	[19:26]
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ThickAsThieves	everyone already does, post-webmd	[19:27]
asciilifeform	now let's say actual medicinal practice reappears, in underground hideouts of a kind.	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	sounds like a revolution	[19:28]
asciilifeform	except - no	[19:28]
asciilifeform	shamans, if clever, will merely crib from the deviants as needed.	[19:28]
asciilifeform	while continuing to oversee the latter - hanged.	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.16102536 = 6.602 BTC [-] {2}	[19:29]
asciilifeform	i'd argue that this situation is intrinsic to the very idea of having stable 'institutions' like 'official medicine'	[19:29]
asciilifeform	or 'official media'	[19:29]
[]bot	Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 1566.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,515.	[19:30]
asciilifeform	so long as your 'throne' (kingly, ministerial, city-dogcatcher, commissioner of farts, etc) is a thing - and isn't constantly probing your arse for worthiness to sit thereon - it will behave this way.	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	buffet discovered bitbet!	[19:30]
TomServo	Wow - that's a big one!	[19:30]
Duffer1	hehe	[19:30]
Duffer1	mp hedging? :P	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	yeah right	[19:31]
asciilifeform	buterin.	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	i hope buterin and friends dont think they can surpress price THAT long	[19:31]
asciilifeform	thousand-year reich.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ? << yes, actually.	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	marshall law	[19:32]
pete_dushenski	ThickAsThieves: why not? gold has been suppressed for decades	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	the only correct response to one that wishes to impress you with meaningless bloodletting is MORE bloodletting, better directed.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	not less.	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	because you have to actually control the gold	[19:32]
asciilifeform	^ right. but this answer unhappily tickles all the folks who think they like 'hierarchy'	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	tough for them	[19:32]
pete_dushenski	ThickAsThieves: only sorta. paper gold and market fixing abounds.	[19:33]
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asciilifeform	for reference - my theory of 'buterin's waterfall' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832194	[19:34]
assbot	Logged on 17-09-2014 15:50:00; asciilifeform: had a thought. usg's btc price dampener strategy has no clear endgame - the 'ethereum' thing will carry on while the usd printing press runs, because it stands to reason they are running both the sell and -buy- ends of the machine. 'arse-mouth system.'	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	check it out, mike_c's advertising bitbet :D	[19:34]
TomServo	Shouldn't this supposed ETH dump be coming from: https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 ?	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1> mp hedging? :P << wasn't me.	[19:34]
assbot	Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2	[19:34]
mike_c	i sent the link to warren, we're tight.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	TomServo: these folks are not necessarily brilliant schemers, but they have the basics nailed down. such as how to trade 'interesting' coin for 'boring' coin.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	(meatspace trades - outside the blockchain)	[19:35]
pete_dushenski	mike_c: lol	[19:35]
asciilifeform	this is why the sr dekulakization hoard appears to 'sit still'	[19:35]
kakobrekla	bitcoin holders are sheep. you only need to announce the sell to drop the price, not actually sell.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLSstqMvH8	[19:36]
assbot	Ali G Show - Feminism - YouTube	[19:36]
asciilifeform	so, for the record, what i'll call 'buterin's waterfall' - picture a water-powered vacuum aspirator pump, of a kind used in school chemistry class.	[19:36]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: don't you read teh logs?	[19:36]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski i do ?	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	what'd i miss ?	[19:36]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: you posting the same thing ;)	[19:37]
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asciilifeform	water is pumped from a tank up, and then flows down a pipe back into the tank. in the down pipe, there's a spigot to the side, where a vacuum forms - water carries away air.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	shit bad link ?	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not convinced there's anything at play but a lack of new bitcoin buyers	[19:38]
asciilifeform	so you get a vacuum that is about as good as the water's vapour pressure at the room's temperature & pressure. not bad. cheap. if you remember school - you used this 'medieval' gadget.	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	traders trading traders will drive price down	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski not the same link, just the same title.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	so we have 'buterin's waterfall.' ingredient - a fat bag of coin. (where found? sr coins traded for 'boring' coin with no peculiar blockchain history - plus gov. mining, other confiscations, etc.)	[19:39]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: o you so sneaky	[19:39]
asciilifeform	herr buterin takes the bag of coin, and places it on markets largely controlled ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832201 ) by usg.	[19:39]
assbot	Logged on 17-09-2014 15:56:55; mircea_popescu: ensure too strong a word. but suppose you don't let terrorists run their own exchanges, nor deposit to yours.	[19:39]
asciilifeform	at slightly lowballed price. shills (perl scripts) then 'buy' the coin at these prices.	[19:40]
asciilifeform	knob is turned, lowball bid is lowered still, shills continue to buy	[19:40]
kakobrekla	why would they announce it and not use the collected coin (ether). its a give away	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the joke being, of course, that bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012.	[19:40]
asciilifeform	the 'vapour' carried away is the coin that is panic-sold by civilians	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	and that was before mtgox collapsed.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	to imagine the entire set of noob exchanges today have 50% of the volume of mtgox in 2012 is to overstate things.	[19:41]
asciilifeform	the controlled market will allow the entry of sizeable parcels coin, but not of usd; and the egress of usd, but not of coin.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	that means they're playing with confederate bills somewhere in the nebraska territory of bitcoin	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	good for them and who ever cares ?	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	fwiw the larger SR coin address was dumped the same day that Draper got his coins	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH?filter=1	[19:42]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	of course nonsensical bs like "a perfectly fair price index" would get approved by the sec, bec, dec and heck in short order.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	so what of it, etc.	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	well maybe they decided to fill all bidders	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	or have been selling the stash	[19:42]
los_pantalones	ThickAsThieves i can confirm not everyone was filled	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	word	[19:43]
los_pantalones	and i can confirm we were much better bid than SM	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	maybe draper voluntasrily bid on the whole lot	[19:43]
los_pantalones	to no avail	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	and thats why they havent released deets	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones can you actually confirm what you bid ?	[19:43]
los_pantalones	noop	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	cuz his condition was to give him time to sell em all	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	rounded to something or other ?	[19:44]
los_pantalones	it was within 5% of the market on the day	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	up or down ?	[19:44]
los_pantalones	below	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	interesting	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	better than nothing, danke.	[19:44]
nubbins`	figured they'd go for above market rates	[19:44]
los_pantalones	i think they did	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` if you recall that bet is still in contention.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones not that much room in 5%	[19:45]
ThickAsThieves	i like this theory, what if Draper actually bid less than everyone, but for all 160k or so coins	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	what happened was that one favoured party got the benefit of "match the best offer we get", is the problem.	[19:45]
los_pantalones	nah but we assumed all the SM buyers would have blue balls and pay up after they lost	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	and for that people will have to do hard time.	[19:46]
los_pantalones	he's def not a gov't favorite	[19:46]
los_pantalones	he's trying to breakup cali if you recall	[19:46]
nubbins`	azul huevos	[19:46]
ThickAsThieves	what does gov care about cali states	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	^	[19:46]
asciilifeform	imho, it was not a sale, but a trade. hence the bid circus	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	that shit's going nowhere, suddenly they found extra utility for all the moles placed in random shitholes.	[19:47]
ThickAsThieves	dafuck, they need to fulfill this FOIA already	[19:47]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: ministry of truth has to make up some truthy truth first	[19:48]
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ThickAsThieves	just like the NYDFS currently creating months of research they supposedly did in the Spring	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	no they really did it	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	it just was in some emails they lost is all.	[19:49]
ThickAsThieves	you mena they read someone else's?	[19:49]
ThickAsThieves	oh	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	they were cohosting with the irs	[19:49]
los_pantalones	haha	[19:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012 << this is where, at least from my jail's eye view, the buggers - won. as usaschwitz inmate, otc doesn't even exist for me. in order for it to exist - i'd have to become embroiled in handling suitcases of benjies in meatspace. precisely the kind of thing агентурная работа is optimized to roll up participants of.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you're lieing to yourself. in point of fact, on the strength of your wot rating yo ucan participate just fine.	[19:51]
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ThickAsThieves	i dont really understand how US otc market exists	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	regarding published attempts at least	[19:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: participate how?	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	like craigslist, localbitcoins	[19:51]
los_pantalones	ThickAsThieves why ?	[19:51]
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nubbins`	i think localbtc does a lotta biz	[19:51]
asciilifeform	90% of my living expenses are not even payable in paper money.	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	because it's prime money-laundering activity	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well i suppose i misread. yes, as a internal-regulations-abiding inmate, it doesn't exist for you.	[19:52]
los_pantalones	not if you document it, which is really quite easy to do	[19:52]
xmj	asciilifeform: how do you pay them? bank transfer?	[19:52]
los_pantalones	wire	[19:52]
asciilifeform	^ yeah	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	so if you do AML essentially	[19:52]
asciilifeform	so, there's a compliant bank in the loop.	[19:52]
los_pantalones	there are still plenty of those	[19:52]
xmj	huh	[19:52]
asciilifeform	so, where inmate turns, jailer - friendly winks.	[19:52]
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xmj	how in gods name do you pay for food with wires	[19:53]
asciilifeform	food - could buy with paper	[19:53]
asciilifeform	rent - no	[19:53]
xmj	you pay food with creditcard and pay creditcard with wires?	[19:53]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[19:53]
xmj	asciilifeform: former apartment i paid rent with paper actually	[19:53]
xmj	asciilifeform: ... my landlord wanted it so. :)	[19:53]
asciilifeform	xmj: this works if you live in physically reachable distance of landlord	[19:53]
xmj	well two hours.	[19:53]
nubbins`	i prefer to receive rent via interac e-transfer	[19:53]
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xmj	but, yeah, i know what you mean.	[19:53]
asciilifeform	mine - lives on other side of continent.	[19:54]
nubbins`	not everyone likes doing it tho :/	[19:54]
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nubbins`	i suppose this is a foreign concept to you non-canadians	[19:54]
xmj	asciilifeform: mine - lives on another continent.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you gotta understand the otc market is really a bunch of large players, in us fiat.	[19:54]
xmj	asciilifeform: know anyone hiring sysadmins for BTC? >:)	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	three govt owned banks pushing govt script back and forth, what exactly is going to be so laundery about that ?	[19:54]
asciilifeform	xmj: if i knew, i'd become a sysadmin.	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	so basically if you are an otc seller, you just gotta watch out for buyers saying suspicious things, as they may be agents	[19:55]
bounce	this popped up somewhere, curiously not dated though: http://www.digitalcitizensalliance.org/cac/alliance/content.aspx?page=cyberlockers	[19:55]
assbot	Digital Citizens Alliance	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	i think the prime of "we're selling bitcoin to pay for stolen credit cards" is come and gone.	[19:55]
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asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: you aren't thinking big enough. 'agents' or not, if you're feeding into or from a usd bank at the end of the day, you're in panopticon.	[19:55]
bounce	as in, pressure group pays "experts" to "prove" teh intarwebz are full of badness. still. again. whatever.	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	how about to launder drug money?	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	or such	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they were trying that shit, mostly to elicit new information, some vague hope to make jury think onoes realbadman.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	but it didn't really go anywhere. they got too much drivel and the judges don't really get impressed.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	so no longer fashionable.	[19:56]
nubbins`	i don't know why people think big-time drug logistics and btc overlap in any significant way	[19:56]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not exactly clear why money laundering is even illegal	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	because money is worthless.	[19:56]
xmj	that's easy	[19:56]
los_pantalones	ThickAsThieves control	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` idiots ?	[19:57]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[19:57]
xmj	because the things you do to require laundering money is illegal	[19:57]
xmj	black markets	[19:57]
nubbins`	small-time, sure. no sweat. big-time, nuh-uh	[19:57]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves, others - if your objective is not merely to avoid committing an indictable crime under american law as your lawyer was taught it, but to hide your wealth from total dekulakization - you cannot solve this problem without a closed arse-mouth btc cycle	[19:57]
nubbins`	look at what happened to SR when they tried to move big amounts	[19:57]
xmj	or legal, but you're doing it off-time off-regulation off-taxes	[19:57]
asciilifeform	where you forget what usd even was.	[19:57]
xmj	grey markets	[19:57]
xmj	"shadow economy".	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` since when is 1kg a big amount ?	[19:57]
nubbins`	since SR was geared towards end-users	[19:57]
nubbins`	no coke user is buying in 1kg bricks	[19:58]
nubbins`	they're buying an 8ball	[19:58]
ThickAsThieves	speak for yourself!	[19:58]
ThickAsThieves	jk	[19:58]
nubbins`	heh	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	the point remains.	[19:58]
xmj	"jk"	[19:58]
xmj	^ truthtalk marked by "jk"-- always	[19:58]
ThickAsThieves	cocaine laundering	[19:58]
nubbins`	the point of the site was to let suburbia buy drugs without having to interact with dealers	[19:59]
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xmj	well because dealers are shady	[19:59]
ThickAsThieves	and unreliable	[19:59]
nubbins`	what moron is going to risk his dick losing a kilo on some website?	[19:59]
xmj	that's why they're dealers.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	well something like that. "let suburbia buy drugs while interacting with dealers on social media" was the idea	[19:59]
xmj	also they live with their moms.	[19:59]
bounce	every. last. one. of. them.	[19:59]
ThickAsThieves	except for bingoboingo	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	he lives with his dog ?	[20:00]
nubbins`	maybe	[20:00]
bounce	but it's kinda interesting to see how money is now guilty until proven innocent. all in the name of fighting droogs and terrism and whatever.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	bounce no dude. that's how they rationalize it, but really, the problem is the money is worthless. to maintain its appearance of value, its use has to be limited	[20:01]
nubbins`	anyway, if you find yourself in possession of 1kg of cocaine, you know how to get rid of it already. if you find yourself looking to buy 1kg of cocaine, you're NOT doing it online	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	and its use in free markets first of all.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	then in all markets, and so on.	[20:01]
nubbins`	other hand: if you're some kid living in the middle of idaho and you want to try LSD...	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you go to college ?	[20:01]
bounce	"limited", in what way? "quantitative easing" type limiting?	[20:02]
nubbins`	here we call it "university" ;D	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	bounce no, as in "you may not buy candy with it"	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	here are "your" ten dollars and here's the list of things you may trade it for.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	don't trade it for other things and you won't know how worthless it is.	[20:02]
ThickAsThieves	how does btc stand a chance of avoiding all this? cant "goxcoins" be created and contained so as to depress market?	[20:03]
bounce	well I won't say no to a sack of that worthless money. a milliard or two should do.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	they have the same thing in argentina, it's called "precios cuidados". you can buy cheap shitty rice and w/e for pesos as if the official rate were meaningfull.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	otherwise shit is 50% more expensive	[20:03]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.49991689 BTC. Current weight: 54,425.	[20:03]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 36(Y):64(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.68931212 BTC. Current weight: 15,690.	[20:03]
asciilifeform	you're NOT doing it online << but if you could - you would. the number one ingredient for 'humint' rollups of whatever thing usg dislikes - is to get people to drag their earthly carcasses out into the physical open, where they can be 'controlled buy' operated and arrested.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well sure, that's what ethereum is trying to achieve.	[20:04]
asciilifeform	if cocaine could teleport - it would be as ubiquitous and invulnerable as w4r3z.	[20:04]
bounce	what're you saying, proposing to scam the gullible for the good of the many? what how now?	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	i guess that's why we already see huge premiums on OTC (real) coins	[20:04]
nubbins`	;;bc,xau	[20:04]
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gribble	1 XAU = 1227.300000000000 USD = 2.90746707098 BTC	[20:05]
thestringpuller	;;google XAU	[20:05]
gribble	^XAU: Summary for PHLX Gold/Silver Sector- Yahoo! Finance: ; XAU - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; XAU - Kitco:	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	* xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw << wtf last time i offered to cut you checks in btc you were all "nah lets fuck around with retarded int'l payment processors"	[20:05]
thestringpuller	ah	[20:05]
[]bot	Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 62(Y):38(N) by coin, 74(Y):26(N) by weight. Total bet: 1816.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,508.	[20:05]
ThickAsThieves	wha!	[20:05]
ThickAsThieves	again?	[20:05]
xmj	ben_vulpes: yes and since then i've had to deal with Skype, the IRS fuckers, and got around to set things up.	[20:05]
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xmj	ben_vulpes: I've TOLD you I'd love to work for BTC before.	[20:06]
bounce	hmm.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[20:06]
xmj	er, replace skype with PayPal.	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	maybe someone made that quantum miner!	[20:06]
xmj	fuckers.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	bitbet is having a totally shit month	[20:06]
Duffer1	interestingt	[20:06]
bounce	oh, was about to mention something about running your own SIP	[20:06]
bounce	(switch, ata hooked up to some service, whatever)	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> bitbet is having a totally shit month /// use your powers to make BTCUSD $700 again, all will be well	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	o hey bitcoin outlets ? there've just been a quarter million dollars worth of btc bet within an hour. this is not news because you don't know where news in bitcoin breaks or because you don't know what news actually is ?	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves my powers only work when nobody mentions them.	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	sry	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform btw at some point ima want to hear what you thought!	[20:08]
bounce	"don't mention the powers!"	[20:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: chumpatronics? it was very spiffy.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	bounce yeah i'm an unbelief god. like, most gods draw their power from believers believing.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	i, on the other hand...	[20:08]
bounce	too bad our collective name is cleese	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	am the antichrist?	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	"the pedestrian antichrist"	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	dude where's my horse!	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	in qgyot	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	eqypt	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	...	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	i type real good	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im quite very fond of it!	[20:10]
asciilifeform	;;google i'm on a horse	[20:10]
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gribble	I'm On A Horse - The Song - YouTube: ; I'm on a Horse - Old Spice Commercial - YouTube: ; I'm On A Horse - YouTube:	[20:10]
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xmj	;;google Scotland Independence Poll	[20:10]
gribble	Scottish independence referendum - Poll Tracker - BBC News: ; BBC News - Scottish independence: Voting under way in referendum: ; Scottish independence referendum poll: the latest tracker - Telegraph:	[20:10]
xmj	there we go.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	lol and of course the scream of late leech is at its place.	[20:11]
mike_c	this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly	[20:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of a sequel, might be interesting to go into the biological hooks made use of by a qualified ce (chumpatronic engineer)	[20:11]
ben_vulpes	i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right? << dude stop letting the wimmins make important decisions like dietary and financial structuring	[20:11]
asciilifeform	specifically,	[20:11]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2014#813153	[20:11]
asciilifeform	and the like.	[20:11]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2014 04:09:12; mircea_popescu: answer : because women. pregnancy is also -ev, and yet women do it. the same psychological complexes that control that can also yield amusing social results.	[20:11]
ben_vulpes	:P	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why me	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[20:12]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 420.0, Best ask: 420.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 420.0, 24 hour volume: 14195.12576169, 24 hour low: 420.0, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 442.041614288	[20:12]
xmj	derp.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	i would guess the bitstamp ticker crossed the guy's whatever threshold	[20:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: why me << because asciilifeform is about to tickle some very small holes in a teflon rod.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	there's more people here!	[20:12]
xmj	ben_vulpes: btw, ive since learned that sending SWIFT wires is cheaper and more convenient than PayfuckingPal.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	dude you're a fucking idiot, seriously.	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	my prediction is the Wall St correction will begin just before BRK bet closes and mp will be laughing	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	and me with my 5btc bet at full weight	[20:14]
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mircea_popescu	so far it's looking pretty grim.	[20:14]
xmj	BRK ?	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	lotsa months to go	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	true	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	you have to believe in bitbet for it to work!	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	it can make diff go up to dizzying heights	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	just believe	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:15]
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mircea_popescu	fcking nuts the diff bets already.	[20:15]
*	bounce is supporting bitbet by not believing in the bets. nor actually betting.	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	after all, all coin in that bet supports a Yes outcome	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	since they cant sell the coins	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	does anyone more versed in math have a ready replacement for sine and cosine in places where one wants a periodic but doesn't have the math resources to trig ?	[20:16]
bounce	a trig table?	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves hm i suppose this perversion is true	[20:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: flip-flop.	[20:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you did say just want periodic...	[20:17]
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mircea_popescu	i misspoke., i don't care about that, it just has to be in a range	[20:17]
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mircea_popescu	which answers my q : hasing	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	ty chan for listening	[20:17]
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mike_c	um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.	[20:20]
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mircea_popescu	fuck that, im too special for lookup tables	[20:21]
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mthreat	!b 1	[20:21]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3S4Y7FH.txt )	[20:21]
asciilifeform	for(t=u=85; ; t+=u>>2, u-=t>>2) pissout(t+128);	[20:21]
asciilifeform	^ sine.	[20:21]
asciilifeform	to 5% or so	[20:22]
mthreat	nice	[20:22]
asciilifeform	do try.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski "and unusually sane 46 years (1520-1566) atop the throne, certainly compared to his successors" << certainly what	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	mthreat hater :D	[20:22]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: his successors were all "only mommy can make me dinner so i know it's not poisoned"	[20:23]
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mircea_popescu	yes but you're missing an operand.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sadly i don't need it very precise, but it hastabe 0.3% or so.	[20:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: limited resource << cpu time? code space? working space ? or all 3.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	aaaand i misspoke again. it has to produce about 300 different results is what i mean.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	which your thing definitely would wouldn't it.	[20:24]
asciilifeform	what's the limited ingredient? because if 8 bit output resolution, 300 byte table.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	just clock cycles really	[20:25]
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asciilifeform	table then.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	BUT I R HAET	[20:25]
asciilifeform	how would you propose to beat that, cycle-wise.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	the present state of computing science sucks!(tm)	[20:26]
bounce	a trig table... in hardware!!!1!	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	can't even beat a table.	[20:26]
kakobrekla	you can flip it.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	employ a mentat.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	fuck you guise, i'm going home.	[20:26]
mthreat	there's a street near me called Guise	[20:27]
nubbins`	8 Guise	[20:27]
kakobrekla	and full name "Fucked By"	[20:28]
mike_c	hehe. "I don't have time" 'then use space' "I don't like space!"	[20:28]
asciilifeform	mike_c: then use.. finesse.	[20:29]
mike_c	physicists are probably looking for a 3rd option, but might take awhile.	[20:29]
kakobrekla	this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly < i dont like the combination of these letters	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:29]
asciilifeform	'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller's mega-epic 'suddenly, the inventor appeared.').	[20:30]
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mike_c	well, a valid question would be: how much user friendly would be required to pull in 500 btc in bets.	[20:31]
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The20YearIRCloud	punkman: RENT's NAV is right around .01btc/share, so there's some value to new shares @ the reduced amount even of .0075 with as low as BTC/USD is. It wasn't my preference to close down market, but if my investor indication goes through they'll all be sold within a week and the fund will be back to normal activity.	[20:31]
asciilifeform	mike_c: how much beauty does hellen need to launch one-fifth of a ship ?	[20:31]
mike_c	please, beauty. none. helen was a thin pretense.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	;;ud millihellen	[20:32]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Millihelen \| The quantity of beauty required to Launch one ship.	[20:32]
mike_c	hehe	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	physicists are probably looking for a 3rd option, but might take awhile. << all you need is love...	[20:32]
mike_c	and wtf, doesn't helen have one l?	[20:32]
asciilifeform	'...for the motherland, hate - for enemy'	[20:32]
mike_c	;;ud millihelen	[20:32]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Millihelen \| "Judith was no match for Helen of Troy, having on a few millihelens of beauty herself". by great ... Nice kid with a sweet personality; kinda plain tho'... a millihelen.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	18 please, beauty. none. helen was a thin pretense. << for what, gayola ?	[20:33]
*	asciilifeform pops 'll' key, checks spring	[20:34]
asciilifeform	llol.	[20:34]
mike_c	helen was a thin pretense for the launching of ships. kinda like WMD.	[20:34]
The20YearIRCloud	mircea_popescu: I got the posters today, I had a question about redemption of the prize or whatever - Do the claimants just get on here and post a link to a photo, are there any other requirements?	[20:35]
asciilifeform	as is 'user friendly'	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud pretty much. we're going to limit it if there's anything looking like fraud, but otherwise, just show up in here and hold the poster up	[20:35]
kakobrekla	you guys are oversimplifying.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	sorta like the tits thing worked, but without the tits.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	as is 'user friendly' << no, he has it kakobrekla	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	"user friendly" is a post hoc explanation just like "he's handsome&cool" is a pill against morning after remorse.	[20:37]
The20YearIRCloud	nubbins`: Regarding our SEC filing, Havelock & FPAI act as intermediaries (Which the SEC allows) Separating the US entity from Havelock. Our laywer has run the setup through several other legal advisors at the SEC and they all feel it's the best setup for what we're doing.	[20:37]
mike_c	kakobrekla: i felt like that conversation the other day started in the middle. what is your position exactly?	[20:38]
nubbins`	yeah, that's what we figured	[20:38]
The20YearIRCloud	mircea_popescu: I'm going to write up a letter/note and give a poster & instructions to each one of my tenants, then offer a discount if they use BTC to pay for their rent( even if it's a fraction of the rent). But that will only account for 15 of the 50 posters, so I was gonna run a few contests on our FB page (If that's ok with you?) for the remainder	[20:38]
The20YearIRCloud	Of course, keeping #1 for myself	[20:38]
nubbins`	^ heh	[20:39]
nubbins`	i'll buy it off ya ;D	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud nah, keep them for further tenants.	[20:39]
The20YearIRCloud	I'll sell #1 for 2btc	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	you both expand and you'll see some churn, so.	[20:39]
The20YearIRCloud	I	[20:39]
The20YearIRCloud	I'd rather give a few away, it can take a while for us to churn through tenants & expand, running a contest would boost our FB page severely too :D	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	well yes im sure it would, but the idea is for them to go to actual tenants.	[20:40]
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The20YearIRCloud	Which is why i brought it up with you now, as I don't want to give a few away and then them yell at me saying they couldn't claim their 0.1btc	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[20:41]
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The20YearIRCloud	Also kind of wanted to give one each to my employees	[20:42]
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mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud im sure nubbins` will gladly make you a dedicated fb or employee poster. kid's talented.	[20:45]
The20YearIRCloud	I wasn't sure if the posters were earmarked exclusively for tenants only	[20:46]
kakobrekla	mike_c that 'nice package' of a 'good product' does not turn off the buyers after the 'good product'.	[20:46]
The20YearIRCloud	as there were 100 posters made, me getting 50	[20:46]
*	asciilifeform always reads 'fb' as 'framebuffer', wonders who else.	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/cointerra-16nm-bitcoin-asic/ Rise, nethash, rise!	[20:46]
assbot	CoinTerra Opens Pre-Orders for First 16nm Bitcoin ASIC	[20:46]
mike_c	but the implication being that BB does not currently have nice package?	[20:46]
The20YearIRCloud	i can't wait till the 1nm asics	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	graphene ASICs	[20:47]
mike_c	intel is on what, 14 nm?	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	i think 12	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	not sure	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-processor-5nm,17578.html	[20:48]
assbot	Intel Has 5 nm Processors in Sight	[20:48]
kakobrekla	mike_c nice package is mostly for superficial people. to those i think it does not cater well.	[20:48]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/	[20:49]
assbot	MITAP SBADO 27: Parque Centenario -> San Bernardo : argentina	[20:49]
kakobrekla	i guess it depends what the goal is.	[20:49]
bounce	apparently the process size numbers have become all but meaningless	[20:49]
mike_c	so in this case perhaps superficial = casual gambler.	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	http://i.imgur.com/OXJXxbX.png	[20:49]
mike_c	i don't think package is the issue there. more the parimutuel/weight system.	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	kako will like that ^	[20:50]
kakobrekla	heh	[20:50]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: salami slice ?	[20:51]
kakobrekla	mike_c sometimes the line from product and package is hard to determine, seems to me.	[20:51]
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kakobrekla	but tat you can still have both, nice fonts AND correct math. in theory.	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	of course	[20:52]
mike_c	i don't like circle's look. not as good as ethereum.	[20:52]
asciilifeform	the math is correct. just missing a term.	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	oh yeah the other day you mentioned, you never heard of good package hurting good product	[20:52]
asciilifeform	call it 's' for salami.	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	it is very much a thing	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	i'll give a basic example	[20:52]
kakobrekla	do tell, mp came with one (and not great one)	[20:53]
ThickAsThieves	nonprofit agency pays more money for cheap-looking solicition materials (like, capital campaign mailers) so as not to look like they have plenty money to afford nicer package	[20:53]
ThickAsThieves	packaging must match culture of audience	[20:54]
kakobrekla	but nonprofits goal is to not make a profit, so that doesnt count.	[20:54]
ThickAsThieves	i'm showing how the nonprofit has awareness of the phenomenon	[20:54]
ThickAsThieves	if packaging doesnt suit audience, one or both parties may be alienated	[20:54]
ThickAsThieves	the packaging is a communication	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	a language maybe	[20:55]
asciilifeform	'inverse-veblen good' ?	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	what if god was one of us?	[20:56]
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bounce	what if americans understood irony?	[20:56]
kakobrekla	i thought 'good' implied 'appropriate'.	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	good implies optimal i guess	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	we are defining it	[20:57]
asciilifeform	;;google veblen good	[20:57]
gribble	Veblen good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Veblen Good Definition \| Investopedia: ; Veblen Good Definition & Example \| Investing Answers:	[20:57]
mike_c	nonprofit goal is to not book a profit, but they certainly want as much revenue as they can get.	[20:57]
kakobrekla	its not good if its inappropriate	[20:57]
asciilifeform	'good' meant there, something one can buy or sell.	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	yes asciii good example	[20:57]
kakobrekla	i also am not talking about "not evil"	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	thin line between optimizing your communication and being manipulative	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	if line exists at all	[20:59]
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ThickAsThieves	just to inject a quick tangent, lately i've been thinking about how reality is essentially toxic, and of human relationship with it is in how it insulates from it.	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	how	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	bleh	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	probly just boils down to thermodynamics	[21:02]
bounce	toxic in what sense?	[21:03]
ThickAsThieves	it causes pain when exposed	[21:03]
ThickAsThieves	contemplating ones mortality for example	[21:03]
bounce	so pain is the universe's fault?	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	well it aint my fault	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:04]
bounce	of course it isn't.	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	humans work so hard to insulate from real	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	probly also restating mp's theories on not all men can be free	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	some men can take the pain	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	or thrive on it	[21:06]
los_pantalones	ThickAsThieves don't.jump.	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	haha	[21:06]
los_pantalones	it's just $	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:06]
los_pantalones	unrealized losses	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	no its not that	[21:06]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves candidate for wife-replacement surgery ?	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	i'm short on BTCUSD	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	been so for a while	[21:07]
los_pantalones	"short on" = don't have enough	[21:07]
los_pantalones	or you are short it	[21:07]
asciilifeform	what's a btcusd ?	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	i literally shorted it with leverage	[21:08]
asciilifeform	is it something like a newton-metre ?	[21:08]
asciilifeform	or foot-pound ?	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	just btc price in usd	[21:08]
los_pantalones	on bfx ?	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[21:08]
los_pantalones	borrowing costs to short are pretty cheap	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	much less than longs	[21:09]
ThickAsThieves	currently at .002% per day for me	[21:09]
los_pantalones	nice return	[21:10]
los_pantalones	have a target?	[21:10]
los_pantalones	$0 ?	[21:10]
ThickAsThieves	ive started covering and hope to buy back in for realz under 400	[21:10]
ThickAsThieves	360 looks likely	[21:10]
ThickAsThieves	watching closely of course	[21:11]
los_pantalones	ha	[21:11]
los_pantalones	good luck	[21:11]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[21:11]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 428.4, Best ask: 428.53, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 428.4, 24 hour volume: 15009.87721379, 24 hour low: 415.0, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 438.112123888	[21:11]
thestringpuller	i've been long since 2012	[21:12]
thestringpuller	the only time I went short was october 2012	[21:12]
thestringpuller	MPOE puts	[21:12]
thestringpuller	just to see how they worked	[21:12]
los_pantalones	long puts, no matter the market	[21:14]
los_pantalones	terrible trade	[21:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 321 @ 0.0075 = 2.4075 BTC [+] {2}	[21:33]
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thestringpuller	los_pantalones: yea we all know that now	[21:39]
thestringpuller	too bad I didn't know that in my infancy	[21:39]
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los_pantalones	gotta learn somehow	[21:43]
los_pantalones	and mp might say quite the opposite	[21:43]
los_pantalones	but he was in a slightly diff pos	[21:44]
thestringpuller	http://digg.com/2014/we-need-an-adult?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email	[21:47]
assbot	Is Adulthood Dead? - Digg	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	did it ever exist?	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/ << wanna go ?	[21:48]
assbot	MITAP SBADO 27: Parque Centenario -> San Bernardo : argentina	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	i've already been to the embassy thing, so.	[21:48]
The20YearIRCloud	I don't think saying walter white wasn't an adult is kind of stupid	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	i think 12 << iirc 12 kinda fizzled.	[21:48]
The20YearIRCloud	in my mind adulthood is the time when you stop thinking less about now and more about the future	[21:49]
The20YearIRCloud	then attempt to make decisions that look forward, trying to plan. Of course many people never get to that point	[21:49]
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asciilifeform	just as unrelated q: anyone know of a laptop comp. currently on the market which isn't a complete piece of shit? (everything i see either has display with < 1080 lines, glossy, or both - imho unusable.)	[21:50]
The20YearIRCloud	My kids look forward maybe 3 minutes, 5 if I"m lucky	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	"Cuestión, nos vemos el sábado que viene y recuerden: al que hable de bitcoins lo tiramos al agua / invita un shot a todos / pela."	[21:50]
The20YearIRCloud	I've heard lenovo is decent	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	mthreat we go there, beat the shit out of the kids ?	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	curious what the situation is like here if you assault some idiots in the street. fine or what ?	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	<+asciilifeform> thinkpad X1	[21:50]
The20YearIRCloud	in Romania?	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	x1 carbon	[21:50]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: no 'F' keys! what a steaming turd.	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	sry	[21:51]
asciilifeform	plus the one with >1080 lines has gloss.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud buenos aires.	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	wait a sec mine has F keys and no gloss	[21:51]
asciilifeform	how many lines of display res ?	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << holy shit even money ?!	[21:53]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (48%) on Yes, 1195.58 B (52%) on No \| closing in 4 months 4 weeks \| weight: 44`485 (100`000 to 1)	[21:53]
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mircea_popescu	well not QUITE even	[21:53]
The20YearIRCloud	You're in argentina now?	[21:53]
The20YearIRCloud	I've met a few from there, they assure me with a little bit of cash you can do whatever you want	[21:54]
thestringpuller	interesting. i wonder if the suppression in price is at all related to this bet	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud it's so far been my understanding.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	so going in there and plowing a beating into the reddit crowd seems a decent use for a few bitcents.	[21:55]
The20YearIRCloud	http://ferfal.blogspot.com/	[21:55]
assbot	SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA	[21:55]
ThickAsThieves	ascii 2560 x 1600	[21:55]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: which machine was this	[21:55]
ThickAsThieves	you want the X1 carbon 2nd edition	[21:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17399999 = 0.522 BTC [+]	[21:56]
ThickAsThieves	also chosen for being linux-friendly system	[21:56]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: have you a link to vendor?	[21:57]
asciilifeform	because lenovo's site mentions no such animal	[21:57]
asciilifeform	they have a 2560 x 1440 glossy, and a 900 line turd.	[21:57]
ThickAsThieves	the links are dynamic sadly, so you might have to build it, but i will look up my order	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves don't.jump. << STOP! it's hammertime!	[21:59]
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ThickAsThieves	ok ascii you are right, matte is only for 14"	[22:01]
ThickAsThieves	and 900	[22:01]
asciilifeform	there we go.	[22:02]
ThickAsThieves	it isnt the best display, but everything else is nice	[22:02]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: nah the reddit kids are a friendly bunch, i've been to one of their parties	[22:02]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: good laptop for a blind man, then.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	well ok, then we can just go and not beat them up	[22:03]
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ThickAsThieves	rather, not a good laptop for fine linework and ruining your eyesight staring at small details ;)	[22:04]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: it's bad enough that no one makes a laptop with vertical display...	[22:04]
ThickAsThieves	they have those tabletops	[22:05]
asciilifeform	tabletop ?	[22:05]
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ThickAsThieves	sorry that was meant to read tablet-tops	[22:05]
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asciilifeform	ew	[22:05]
ThickAsThieves	convertible laptop tablets	[22:05]
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ThickAsThieves	MS and Intel would really love for you to buy 1	[22:06]
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ThickAsThieves	they have big ones now too	[22:06]
ThickAsThieves	so bad	[22:06]
ThickAsThieves	MS is so fucked	[22:06]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: also, i'm done with my contract work so as of tomorrow my days are free again. we should get lunch, maybe at Dogg - http://pickupthefork.com/tag/dogg-buenos-aires/	[22:07]
assbot	DOGG buenos aires \| Pick Up The Fork	[22:07]
mthreat	oops, better link - http://pickupthefork.com/2014/01/28/dogg-getting-it-on-hot-doggy-style/	[22:07]
assbot	DOGG: Getting It On Hot Doggy Style \| Pick Up The Fork	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	mthreat prolly better next week tho.	[22:08]
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mthreat	cool	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	http://ferfal.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/why-didnt-i-move-to-estancia-cafayate.html << not bad lol	[22:09]
assbot	SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: Why didnt I move to Estancia Cafayate in the Province of Salta	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	Isnt it wonderful how the “Casey Research Group “concludes that the best thing for you is to buy property from Doug Casey in crappy poor Argentina?. JAJAJAJAA!!!!	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	You’d think that being rich and loving a wine sipping, golf playing sophisticated lifestyle you’d be better off in Napa Valley or something, but no, the best thing for you is to go to the middle of nowhere Argentina and then go from there to a middle of nowhere province where land used to sell for a dollar a square mile, that is until good ol’ Doug bought it and his research now shows that its in your best intere	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	st to pay 300.000 a pop for a place in his Estancia… in one of the poorest provinces of Argentina… in the middle of the desert, where not a blade of grass would survive without artificial irrigation. JA!! Amazing what you can achieve with research!	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	i gotta say, the scammers here are just about this fucktarded.	[22:09]
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mircea_popescu	i mean, nowhere near the smoothness one expects of the same operation in say maryland	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform first time i go to that site.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	well yes. but the events described there, afaik - happened.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	good old-fashioned 'mad max' collapse, that is	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	in argentina ? nah.	[22:10]
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The20YearIRCloud	yugoslovia was mad max	[22:11]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: ferfal lives in the US now, for a while ;)	[22:11]
asciilifeform	wai what, those great tales of children chained to streetlights so cars would stop, and then drivers can be throat-cut and robbed - all fake ?!	[22:11]
The20YearIRCloud	argentina is like a detroit collapse	[22:11]
*	asciilifeform sad	[22:11]
The20YearIRCloud	he's making great money in the US as a consultant	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	yugoslavia WAS mad max, yes.	[22:12]
mthreat	with yugos instead of mustangs?	[22:12]
The20YearIRCloud	shtfschool has some information about the yugoslovia incident	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	argentina... meh. i should be able to see the signs. meanwhile, their biggest bombing was of a 3 story jewish centre 30 years ago.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	by this measure the us has been through all madmaxes in history.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re the children chained / throats cut business, same goes to you as discussed with los_pantalones re that robbery gopro video.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	does that schmuck look threatening to you ? and yet, inexplicably, he's alive. how ?	[22:13]
asciilifeform	alive because knows his place in food chain, presumably	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	yeah, totally.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	more like, because there scarcely is any food chain	[22:14]
asciilifeform	or perhaps 'food chain' is not the right term. lion looks dangerous to man, but not to adult elephant, though the latter will not eat him	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	blind cavefish do not survive because they know not to upset cats	[22:14]
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mircea_popescu	they survive because sealed in cave. no cats there.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	well-known phenomenon - dodo bird.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	and also! it's generally gringos that are the scammers.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	they think themselves so smart, and all that.	[22:16]
los_pantalones	us gringos are dangerous	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	incredibly easy to spot, too.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	scammers - sure. but surely every land can produce its own thieves, robbers, berserkers.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	"Oh, you didn’t know? See, one of the differences between living in Buenos Aires and living in Salta, is that the life expectancy for males in Buenos Aires is 69,17, while in Salta its 66,17!!!! How Cool is that?! You get to kick the bucket while in your prime years, no one wants to be remembered like an old wrinkly man, rich or not. Why would you want to live in Buenos Aires and live a measly 4 years more of life?"	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	the farfel guy is not just retarded,	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	he can't substract.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if every land could every land were a duchy and russia'd consist of some land on the bug.	[22:17]
mthreat	3 years here is like 4 years other places?	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	mthreat now this i can credit.	[22:18]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, living in a dirt poor province has its advantages.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, it's the cheapest way to raise an army.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	for another thing, it's the cheapest way to spread your carnal knowledge.	[22:20]
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los_pantalones	this is how i feel about those advantages	[22:22]
los_pantalones	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cZ6LHkmG--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/r3uq72pzbwcld3zw2awg.png	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones i guess you're not the next stalin then.	[22:24]
los_pantalones	sadly, no	[22:24]
los_pantalones	sorry to my fanbois	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	a well, we've all got our limitations :D	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	"I’m in financial services and one of the researchers I read suggests"	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	fucking lamers these people. i read that, i think here's an aluminum sidings salesman trying to make it as an insurance salesman now	[22:25]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.68931212 BTC. Current weight: 15,387.	[22:30]
Duffer1	at what point does that become a gracious donation?	[22:32]
asciilifeform	http://what.thedailywtf.com/uploads/default/6235/a87b15fae5f1185c.png	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	after the bet closes	[22:34]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[22:34]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 415.0, Best ask: 415.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 415.0, 24 hour volume: 17059.74082261, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 435.262063823	[22:34]
thestringpuller	is the term "gracious donation" copyrighted?	[22:34]
Duffer1	i see	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lmao. "crazy shit stick on all sides of weapon!!!!"	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	guy's great	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:36]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-prices-under-400/	[22:37]
cazalla	well, that's an interesting price to wake up to	[22:38]
asciilifeform	'happy is the man who has one leg, one sock doesn't tear, one boot isn't needed.'	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	guy's excellent dude, i'm wiping my tears over here, chicks are doubled over on the floor laughing, you ruined my fucking work	[22:39]
asciilifeform	muhahahaha.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[22:39]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 410.31, Best ask: 410.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 410.33, 24 hour volume: 17399.49655314, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 434.783426284	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	393 at btce	[22:40]
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thestringpuller	bet closed	[22:41]
thestringpuller	congrats winners!	[22:41]
thestringpuller	even if you didn't win this time remember, participation counts	[22:42]
The20YearIRCloud	Joy!	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	o srsly ?	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[22:42]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 410.5, Best ask: 412.77, Bid-ask spread: 2.27000, Last trade: 410.38, 24 hour volume: 17414.87561426, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 434.716551529	[22:42]
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mircea_popescu	not quite yet.	[22:43]
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kakobrekla	bitbet sez its 50:50	[22:47]
kakobrekla	http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-october/	[22:47]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October :: 9.69 B (45%) on Yes, 12 B (55%) on No \| closing in 5 days 4 hours \| weight: 15`353 (100`000 to 1)	[22:47]
los_pantalones	what did i say earlier about long puts?	[22:48]
los_pantalones	the	[22:48]
los_pantalones	worst	[22:48]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[22:48]
gribble	Current Blocks: 321393 \| Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 \| Next Difficulty In: 1166 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35414879261.8 \| Estimated Percent Change: 18.72342	[22:49]
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mircea_popescu	well what does bitbet know.	[23:02]
The20YearIRCloud	Anyone know when the scotland vote isi n?	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	tomorrow no ?	[23:03]
mike_c	today i believe	[23:03]
Duffer1	today	[23:03]
The20YearIRCloud	I meant timewise - it's today	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	they proly gotta count it, come to terms with the fact the uk is gone, stuff.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	tomorrow.	[23:04]
The20YearIRCloud	10pm tonight it seems	[23:04]
asciilifeform	scokraine.	[23:04]
mike_c	bitbet says scotland will stay with the UK	[23:05]
kakobrekla	lol i post a link here - next block there is 5 bets incoming.	[23:05]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c what does bitbet know.	[23:05]
kakobrekla	it knows what block is it.	[23:05]
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mircea_popescu	course bottom may well be in.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, regardless of scotland. basque country, french canada, transylvania, there were a coupla hundred states at the start of the century	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	there will be many thousands at the end of it.	[23:07]
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mircea_popescu	there's absolutely no reason to have a country larger than hong kong.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	most us states are too large, let alone the federal construct altogether.	[23:08]
mike_c	big countries eat small countries.	[23:09]
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mircea_popescu	used to.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile china ate tibet but still is struggling with singapore.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	small countries > big countries.	[23:11]
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mike_c	tell ukraine that	[23:11]
asciilifeform	i bet tibet tasted like shit.	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c ukraine is not a small country, is its problem	[23:12]
mike_c	i guess this is true. it is only losing pieces.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	panic_sell << lol, herr buterin gives a little knob a bit of clockwise twist, and we have 'panic'	[23:12]
mike_c	as is syria.	[23:12]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform engineering panics are however great. as far as the usg is concerned, they're cannibalistic	[23:13]
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mircea_popescu	the people being kicked off are exactly the two bit farmers that it'd have had to rely on to expand its rule into this new fronteer	[23:13]
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The20YearIRCloud	engineering panics?	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	not like the indians are about to leave their ancestral homeland because the colonists dun like it no more.	[23:14]
The20YearIRCloud	in singapore or tibet?	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	we moved on to discussing buterin's derpage.	[23:14]
asciilifeform	!s buterin waterfall	[23:15]
assbot	3 results for 'buterin waterfall' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=buterin+waterfall	[23:15]
asciilifeform	^ for those who slept.	[23:15]
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The20YearIRCloud	ah	[23:17]
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ben_vulpes	ty asciilifeform	[23:18]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, from a purely geopolitical perspective... gutting the 51st us state is more than adequate escalation for the entire ukraine mess, much like the syria humiliation was more than adequate escalation for the ossetia mess.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	for a guy that "doesn't understand how reality works", the situation in the field speaks well of putin.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	gut - then make haggis.	[23:21]
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assbot	xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[23:22]
asciilifeform	!up xanthyos	[23:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.0007198 = 1.4396 BTC [+]	[23:22]
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BingoBoingo	!up xanthyos	[23:23]
asciilifeform	!up xanthyos	[23:23]
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xanthyos	saved from panic selling due to a ban from otc. wonder why.	[23:23]
xanthyos	hi BingoBoingo	[23:23]
BingoBoingo	Hi xanthyos	[23:23]
The20YearIRCloud	hi	[23:24]
los_pantalones	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/	[23:24]
assbot	Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us : Bitcoin	[23:24]
los_pantalones	love these redditors	[23:24]
The20YearIRCloud	Crazy	[23:24]
mike_c	holy shit, i missed the 2nd 500	[23:24]
los_pantalones	me too	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	the strangest thing is... why make it 4 equal chunks	[23:25]
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mike_c	wtf []bot	[23:25]
los_pantalones	idk, wences had to dig up 4 private keys from 1m underground in 4 countries ?	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	"Looking at those payouts, no one should take those bets, either for or against. The payout ratio is really, really bad if I read it correctly." << makes sense.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	equal chunks << usg's calling card.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	NEITHER SIDE IS A GOOD BET!!!	[23:26]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and how you figure ?	[23:26]
asciilifeform	sr.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[23:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]	[23:26]
asciilifeform	if i recall, those were also cut into 'round' parcels.	[23:26]
ThickAsThieves	equal chunks from different addies?	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	"Who is sending 1000 BTC to a site with no SSL? Any why would anyone trust this site anyways? People are stupid or it's fake."	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:26]
ThickAsThieves	wow	[23:26]
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ThickAsThieves	lol	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones you're right, they;re cute.	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wanna do an ama ?	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	ha!	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	"I own BitBet, the site with the thousands of Bitcoins in bets. Ask me anything"	[23:27]
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ThickAsThieves	Antything except that	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	see if you can not get banned for like half a day	[23:27]
los_pantalones	don't you do that all day ?	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	and that	[23:27]
asciilifeform	in all fairness, equal chunks from different addies would be perfectly mundane evidence of coldwallets uncorked for the occasion.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones me ? nah.	[23:27]
los_pantalones	what is this ?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform one possibility yes. in fact, it's trivial to try and find a blockchain link to where the btc was before.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	generally a paper wallet is stationary.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones well yes but the medium is the derpage.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	"And sending 1000 BTC and waiting 5 months for the result when sites like this closing every day without notice is beyond stupid."	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	herp. "sites like this". lol.	[23:29]
ThickAsThieves	"I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time."	[23:29]
ThickAsThieves	wtf	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	who's private booty ?	[23:29]
mike_c	TaT.. fess up. this is your short.	[23:29]
los_pantalones	'site like this' def my fave part	[23:29]
ThickAsThieves	cavemen must have invented religion on like day 1	[23:29]
xanthyos	my new 72-year-old psychiatrist has not heard about bitcoin. it's not mainstream yet. growth is still possible.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	xanthyos what the fuck are you doing with a 72yo psych	[23:30]
ThickAsThieves	mike_c i'm like 50% less short than i was last week!	[23:30]
xanthyos	same guy i saw 20 years ago	[23:30]
mike_c	only 1k btc short now ;)	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	xanthyos wow.	[23:30]
ThickAsThieves	so wow	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	you paid some guy 100 bux twice a week for 20 years, and he's not even sucking you off ?	[23:30]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[23:31]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GH1FA6.txt )	[23:31]
ThickAsThieves	haha	[23:31]
xanthyos	haven't seen him since 1995	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	come to argentina, much better deals here.	[23:31]
xanthyos	insurance pays.	[23:31]
mike_c	buckle up. tomorrow when warren says it was his bet, btcusd will explode.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	why would it ?	[23:31]
mike_c	publicity!	[23:31]
mike_c	explode upwards.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	"[–]mementori 1 point 29 minutes ago	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	can confirm - made an awesome bet on betsofbitco.in well over a year before the conclusion (had previously been paid out by them) - when it came time to pay up, the site stopped closing bets and then eventually just shut down. I bet .1btc when btc was ~$70 and I would of won around .5btc when btc was ~$800"	[23:32]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/09/sinquefield_cup_one_of_the_most_amazing_feats_in_chess_history_just_happened.html	[23:32]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:32]
assbot	Sinquefield Cup: One of the most amazing feats in chess history just happened, and no one noticed.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	yeah, basically, idiocy spreads through exactly this mechanism.	[23:32]
los_pantalones	awesome bet!	[23:32]
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mircea_popescu	lol cameron and john major. and tony blair. "please don't break out heart"	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	YOU BROKE IT asshats.	[23:35]
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ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[23:39]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 415.04, Best ask: 416.82, Bid-ask spread: 1.78000, Last trade: 416.85, 24 hour volume: 18332.47850390, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.816883003	[23:39]
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ThickAsThieves	Buterin Waterfall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp0Q3UJHrkU	[23:42]
assbot	English news report with the cat lady that owns 130 cats - YouTube	[23:42]
cazalla	imagine the smell	[23:42]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/RudyHavenstein/status/512695876825784321	[23:45]
assbot	Queen Elizabeth II, shown here visiting a Scottish Polling Station. http://t.co/1WT6SPLmeQ	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	The Gas Price Spike Act, H.R. 3784, would apply a windfall tax on the sale of oil and gas that ranges from 50 percent to 100 percent on all surplus earnings exceeding "a reasonable profit." It would set up a Reasonable Profits Board made up of three presidential nominees that will serve three-year terms. Unlike other bills setting up advisory boards, the Reasonable Profits Board would not be made up of any nominees fro	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	m Congress.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	The bill would also seem to exclude industry representatives from the board, as it says members "shall have no financial interests in any of the businesses for which reasonable profits are determined by the Board."	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	nobody elected and no businessman allowed.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	the country has to be run by what exactly, lefty social media experts ?	[23:48]
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The20YearIRCloud	mircea_popescu: they've talkd about that quite a bit	[23:57]
The20YearIRCloud	And the oil industry has pathetic margins, apple is the king of margins on $1b+ companies	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	actually washington is the king of margins. al gore makes a trillion % on his "trade carbon" mafia scam.	[23:58]
The20YearIRCloud	Yep	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	easy to make huge margins with no actual costs.	[23:59]
The20YearIRCloud	and even more aggrivating is the mindless fools that support those policies	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	eh, the common man will support anything, who cares.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	better reasons to be aggrieved. like the fact that there's no low cpu replacement for sine.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	fucking tables.	[23:59]

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