Forum logs for 17 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
indiancandy1 im pretty young and fly [00:00]
indiancandy1 and sexy [00:00]
asciilifeform indiancandy1: paid mircea_popescu a visit yet ? [00:00]
decimation asciilifeform: I suppose slight variation in the sampling clock (known to the enemy) would have very little effect on the output [00:00]
asciilifeform decimation: the correct way to sample is at (within feasible limits) random intervals. [00:00]
asciilifeform what one might call 'spread spectrum' clocking. [00:01]
indiancandy1 no [00:01]
williamdunne indiancandy1: can't see your face though [00:01]
indiancandy1 why would i [00:01]
indiancandy1 instagram [00:01]
indiancandy1 realshantidynamite [00:01]
decimation asciilifeform: I rarely deal with irregularly sampled signals, the idea creeps me out a little bit [00:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64389 @ 0.00028049 = 18.0605 BTC [+] {3} [00:03]
asciilifeform decimation: rng literally breaks most of the rules of 'civilian' electronic design [00:03]
williamdunne indiancandy1: Yeah okay I'll agree with you. [00:03]
asciilifeform where you try to minimize noise, get predictable mechanism, etc [00:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00028386 = 8.0616 BTC [+] [00:04]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point. my mental viewpoint for sampled signals is always a frequency domain visualization. my 'test' would be a really long fft [00:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how's she to afford the airfarez. [00:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: same as me l0l [00:10]
asciilifeform using money. [00:10]
mircea_popescu she's enslaved by the cispatriarchy with the belief that she shouldn't have to. [00:12]
asciilifeform waiwut [00:12]
williamdunne Surely if she were to be blaming the cispatriarchy that would suggest she is transgender [00:15]
decimation what about transpatriarchy [00:15]
mircea_popescu well how should i explain it ? lol [00:15]
williamdunne decimation: that implies they are delusional [00:15]
mircea_popescu williamdunne if one blames the nazis does that mean they're jooz ? [00:15]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: no, but thats not binary [00:15]
williamdunne You're either cis or you're not [00:16]
williamdunne Its more like if you blame women, you're (probably) a man [00:16]
mircea_popescu is it ?! [00:16]
mircea_popescu most she-haters i know are womenz. [00:17]
williamdunne Hmm you're right, none of these examples are all that great [00:17]
mircea_popescu to bring the point home : you can only be NOT cis. because the people who use the term aren't, and to the entire would outside of that small, retarded minority the term is meaningless. [00:17]
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mircea_popescu much like rape, racism, privilege, democracy, equality, social justice etc etc. [00:18]
williamdunne Indeed, so she is either a transvestite or a squirrelkin [00:18]
asciilifeform not meaningless >> [00:18]
mircea_popescu the list of terms scared up by the delusional have this fundamental property that they only exclude. [00:18]
williamdunne /apache attack helicopter [00:18]
mircea_popescu the .svg.png part is lulzy. [00:19]
asciilifeform aha [00:19]
asciilifeform (know why even? microshit exploder, iirc, could not view svg. at all.) [00:20]
williamdunne *could not [00:20]
williamdunne being highlighted [00:20]
williamdunne IIRC it can since ie9 [00:21]
williamdunne yep [00:21]
williamdunne [00:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25236 @ 0.00027849 = 7.028 BTC [-] {2} [00:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38764 @ 0.00027087 = 10.5 BTC [-] {2} [00:25]
asciilifeform quite unrelated, but very spiffy >>> [00:30]
asciilifeform (where's arsebot ?) [00:31]
asciilifeform '1945 Zeros Attack B-29 Formation over the Fujiama.' [00:31]
decimation assbot seems to be partially tits-up [00:31]
mircea_popescu decimation what's teh problem ? [00:35]
decimation where's assbot's page titles and bitly links? [00:36]
mircea_popescu oh [00:36]
decimation asciilifeform: it's interesting to see so many apparent successful zero 'intercepts' [00:39]
decimation my understaning is that bomber tail guns were not very effective [00:39]
deedbot- [Trilema] /btc/, the most recent 8chan board - [00:41]
williamdunne decimation: Seems like they'd server more of a deterrent purpose than anything [00:41]
cazalla <<< total butterface, great tits though [00:42]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 02:56:56; williamdunne: indiancandy1: can't see your face though [00:42]
williamdunne cazalla: I wouldn't go so far as butterface, definitely not the strong point [00:42]
williamdunne Maybe I have soft spot for Indian women [00:42]
cazalla this one is only half indian though [00:44]
williamdunne And half greek, so you know she won't get anything done [00:45]
cazalla those desi girls are pretty hot mind you [00:45]
williamdunne I think its the combination of the skin, and some western-ish features [00:47]
cazalla what are western features? [00:51]
cazalla [00:53]
williamdunne Less Asian than other Asians [00:55]
cazalla isn't that the East :P [00:56]
cazalla anyway if ya like shanti, her porno is in the logs [00:58]
cazalla one for mircea_popescu [00:59]
decimation < lol apparently the new explanation for the amtrak crash in philadelphia is that the 'local citizens' were throwing bricks at the trains [01:00]
decimation "Getting ?rocked,? as locomotive engineers call it, is so common on the Northeast Corridor that trains long had metal grills over their windshields to act as armor. These days, thick glass is specifically designed to withstand the impact of a cinder block. Amtrak officials say trains are pelted in the neighborhoods around the crash site monthly." [01:01]
decimation note that the new york times hasn't seen fit to cover this until now, because reasons [01:02]
decimation well, one would think that the trains that carry the flower of the ny & dc elites might carry some level of interest [01:06]
asciilifeform l0lwut [01:07]
asciilifeform elite, on trains? [01:07]
decimation sure [01:07]
asciilifeform what is this, 1890 ? [01:07]
decimation how do you think they travel? tsa screening? [01:07]
asciilifeform 'learjet' etc [01:07]
asciilifeform no tsa. [01:07]
decimation nah. if going from dc to ny (or reverse) aircraft would be less convenient [01:08]
asciilifeform only for plebes condemned to arse searches and queues [01:08]
decimation not really. you gonna land a plane in grand central station [01:08]
decimation gotta go to teterboro or some other outlying airport [01:09]
decimation lawyers, politicians, media [01:09]
decimation usg is all over the place [01:09]
decimation but the important bits are within walking distance of a metro station [01:10]
decimation joe biden was famous for commuting daily from delaware on amtrak [01:11]
decimation while he was a senator [01:11]
asciilifeform to imagine that this is why the bricks fly, is lunacy [01:11]
decimation sorry I wasn't implying that was the case [01:12]
decimation the fact that bricks fly at such trains ought to be newsworthy [01:12]
decimation my point being that it only turns out to be newsworthy once a major accident happens and people get injured/killed [01:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00028386 = 11.6099 BTC [+] [01:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55150 @ 0.00028386 = 15.6549 BTC [+] [01:30]
trinque deedbot-: add feed [01:42]
deedbot- is a go! [01:42]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] electronics hack night featuring the twiddler and asciilifeform's TRNG - [01:43]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] A brief history of the Bitcoin Foundation's activity from 10/2014 through 4/2015 - [01:43]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier - [01:43]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] Well welcomed, the warrior - [01:43]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] Bitcoin needs no changes to destroy your world - [01:43]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers - [01:43]
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trinque decimation | it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures << seems a fine use. [01:46]
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decimation < "Hersh?s assertion, which has by now been at least partially confirmed by multiple news organizations, that bin Laden was found thanks to a ?walk-in? tip?rather than by tracking his courier as the government has claimed?should be a major scandal." [01:54]
trinque decimation: and iran and the gulf states hear the message loud and clear; if you're a nuclear state, you can hide the USA's #1 most wanted man and receive billions in buyoffs per year [02:03]
decimation well, russia is more than just 'a nuclear state' [02:04]
decimation gotta have rocketry too [02:04]
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decimation oh, you were talking about bin laden [02:05]
trinque yep [02:05]
decimation heh I was thinking snowden [02:05]
trinque ah that too [02:06]
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trinque [02:08]
decimation sure, pakistan has been a useful stooge for a variety of powers [02:08]
trinque given the cozy relationship there I would not be surprised if saudi tries to purchase nukes from pakistan, if they haven't already [02:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00027653 = 18.2925 BTC [-] {3} [02:10]
decimation eh, saudi arabia doesn't really need nukes [02:10]
trinque why don't they? [02:11]
decimation they got usg's nukes on call if they need them [02:11]
trinque << usg might be shifting the balance of power in the region towards their competitor [02:18]
trinque I wouldn't trust the USA if I were them. [02:18]
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mats [02:51]
mats > China to invest $50bn in Brazil infrastructure [02:51]
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gabriel_laddel BAD (bitcoin-assets distro) update #2. [03:40]
gabriel_laddel Testing the install process has been impeded by possibly faulty hardware (my testing box reliably kernel panics as of today - idkwtf). I'm stalled until I've new boxen. If someone were willing to set aside a few hours to test the install process, please leave it in the logs. I'll follow up with you via PM. [03:40]
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* BingoBoingo still rather inclined towards promoting *nix hetrogeny [03:42]
* gabriel_laddel sees *nix hetrogeny as meaningless unless the personalized systems all have sources included, can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call [03:46]
gabriel_laddel Quote suggestions for 8chan ads: [03:53]
gabriel_laddel "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." - JMC [03:54]
gabriel_laddel "PS. Smart people don't give a shit about how much money you have. Because they can take it from you, any time they feel like it. Get it through your skull: you ain't buying it, you ain't coercing it, get on your knees and start worshipping it." -- [03:54]
gabriel_laddel "in the meantime, resistance is not futile. only the weak of mind will be assimilated, and they are no loss, anyway." -- Naggum [03:54]
gabriel_laddel "Reductio ad absurdum, which Euclid loved so much, is one of a mathematician's finest weapons. It is a far finer gambit than any chess play: a chess player may offer the acrifice of a pawn or even a piece, but a mathematician offers the game. -- A Mathematician's Apology (London 1941)" [03:56]
gabriel_laddel << !s chetty [03:59]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 02:54:48; indiancandy1: im like the only pretty girl who comes in here [03:59]
gabriel_laddel !s hanbot [04:00]
assbot 795 results for 'hanbot' : [04:00]
gabriel_laddel ;; later tell indiacandy1 who are your role models in the porn biz? [04:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:01]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Did you stumble upon my 11 year plan in the logs yet? [04:02]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: becoming a MMA punching bag? Yeah. [04:03]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: whats up? [04:03]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Nah, avoiding MMA, becoming a boxing tomato can for my 40th birthday in 11 years [04:03]
BingoBoingo Oh, not too much is up. My youngest brother got their BS in Mechanical engineering today. [04:04]
gabriel_laddel neat [04:04]
BingoBoingo WOuld maybe recruit for La Republic serene if we need a trebuchet [04:04]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Year one goal is ending their year in sufficient shape after a decade of chainsmoking and heavy drinking to not get too winded at a gym [04:05]
BingoBoingo Also strengthening the metacarpals through controlled stress fractures [04:06]
gabriel_laddel Eh, whatever floats your boat I suppose. [04:07]
gabriel_laddel I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. [04:07]
BingoBoingo I like walking too, but walking lets me smoke while I do it, also seems less like exercise and more liek an activity of daily living the doctors count against you if you can't do it. [04:09]
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gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: are you trying to impress to fuck a doctor or something? [04:10]
gabriel_laddel who cares? [04:10]
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BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: I live in a rogue state atm (Illinois) and I'd rather not have to get a prostate exam to buy legit hunting rifle of Mosin or Simnov design. So earlier this week I was watching past oscar movies and hit Million Dollar Baby. Then it hit me. Why not weaponize me? [04:13]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: someone willing to slit throats isn't scary [04:14]
gabriel_laddel really, they're not even that useful. [04:14]
gabriel_laddel learn organic chemistry [04:14]
gabriel_laddel a motivated chemist is really fucking scary [04:14]
gabriel_laddel china ships precursors to mexico all the time, head out there (cn), meet the people involved. [04:15]
BingoBoingo Oh, scary is context dependent. I sat through ~75% of a pharmacy school's curriculum as a grad assistant who just worked the microphones. [04:15]
BingoBoingo Thing is the legitimate governments of most of mexico frown on synthesis without their blessing. [04:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027969 = 8.3627 BTC [+] [04:16]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: China homie [04:16]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: do you know synth then? [04:16]
BingoBoingo I know the concept of a recipe and I know what a catecholamine is. [04:17]
BingoBoingo ? [04:17]
BingoBoingo China? WTF? [04:18]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: Explain C2 symmetry to me. [04:19]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: It is a rotational thing. Anything cool will lack symmetry greater than C1. [04:21]
BingoBoingo Blame our earth biases towards amino acids one way and carbohydrates another, not opposite way [04:22]
BingoBoingo citalopram vs. escitalopram and levo-methamphatamine vs. dex-methamphetamine is a good starting point on chirality [04:23]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make [04:24]
gabriel_laddel it as an intellectual. [04:25]
gabriel_laddel If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter. [04:25]
BingoBoingo Ah, You are looking at ends. [04:25]
gabriel_laddel If your goal is to become healthy, idk how boxing figures into it. [04:25]
gabriel_laddel Yeah, always work towards a purpose, not a cause right? [04:26]
gabriel_laddel (I kid) [04:26]
gabriel_laddel that said, I wish you the best in all your ventures. [04:26]
BingoBoingo My take is there is a tradition. [04:27]
gabriel_laddel Regarding China - finding reliable chemical suppliers and integrating with the WoT sounds like a useful use of one's life. [04:28]
gabriel_laddel /s/useful/productive [04:28]
gabriel_laddel My take is there is a tradition. << this means nothing to me [04:28]
BingoBoingo It requires minimal monetary expenditure and substantial time expenditure to approach X, A side effect of X is getting punched. Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain. [04:29]
cazalla ya know BingoBoingo, people told pacman he couldn't become a boxer [04:32]
BingoBoingo ^ [04:32]
gabriel_laddel Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain. << can't save people from themselves... [04:33]
BingoBoingo I'm actually pretty good at taking a beating. [04:34]
gabriel_laddel I'm excellent at shooting H [04:34]
gabriel_laddel ... [04:34]
gabriel_laddel ? [04:34]
gabriel_laddel Seriously? [04:34]
BingoBoingo Seriously, Mu chin is good. [04:34]
gabriel_laddel Between me, rents and sickboy I'm the best petty thief [04:34]
mircea_popescu heh. quite. [04:35]
BingoBoingo +++++++ ^ +++++++++ [04:36]
mircea_popescu decimation afaik it was always known (tm) that they found him by sherpa. [04:37]
mircea_popescu they got usg's nukes on call if they need them << nope, not anymore. new king is trashing the alliance. [04:38]
mircea_popescu the us will have to work out of cuba and hawaii. [04:38]
BingoBoingo Thankfully Obummer surrendered to the Castros [04:38]
mircea_popescu can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call <<< exactly this. [04:39]
mircea_popescu an "install" you have to "fiddle with" is not an install. [04:39]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel kinda too long to fit on a banner, i fthat's what you meant ? [04:41]
cazalla of course for every pacman there is countless spider ricos [04:41]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: small fonts? I can't speak for anyone else, but I *must* read pretty much any text that makes its way into my vision. [04:42]
cazalla BingoBoingo, figured you more for baseball anyway, then you could get juiced up on HGH [04:42]
cazalla hispanics getting homeruns [04:42]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << im pretty much the same. [04:42]
BingoBoingo cazalla: The time it takes to learn to throw anything left handed... versus the exosud of young potential prize fighters for MMA and the NFL... I leik my odds [04:44]
mircea_popescu " You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow." << ahaha lulzy way to put it, but i dbout the guy actually aspires to this as his life. sounded more like a hobby to me [04:44]
cazalla still don't get the 11 years of training [04:45]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i think that's how half the chan people are too. that's why it's such a trap for them [04:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Honestly having been roundly rejected by the fiat economy anything I approach is as a hobby, except for the qntra. The Qntra is deadly serious. [04:45]
mircea_popescu but anyway, guy has it : we definitely need more people in china. [04:45]
BingoBoingo cazalla: If only you knew the tar on my lungs. [04:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00027982 = 4.4631 BTC [+] [04:46]
BingoBoingo Also, 40 is kind of peak athlete age barring major injuries [04:46]
cazalla i dunno about that, boxing? maybe though [04:46]
cazalla but still, 12-18 months training and you're good to go [04:48]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Think about how many pitchers peak in ability in their late 30's early 40's (or not) versus combat sports peeps over at 30 because they are too beat. [04:48]
cazalla and that's if ya only never boxed before [04:48]
BingoBoingo First step is getting to high school graduation weight. [04:48]
cazalla slip the jab [04:49]
BingoBoingo While building the upperbody and core back up [04:49]
mircea_popescu :D [04:49]
cazalla do ya compound exercises [04:49]
gabriel_laddel hahahaha [04:49]
BingoBoingo I leik'd dpb's "transmen are evil" sjw clickbait tumblr [04:50]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Working on it. [04:50]
cazalla yeah i keep meaning to as well but the booze really gets its hooks in [04:51]
mircea_popescu << dude, i had no idea that cartman-vlog south park episode was actually ripped from an irl thing [04:51]
BingoBoingo Boose isn't as bad as the smoking it seems atm for me, may change. [04:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Anymore nothing in south park doesn't have an irl connection [04:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00027982 = 3.6517 BTC [+] [04:52]
mircea_popescu apparnetly. [04:52]
BingoBoingo Last season's season long arc and its tanents all irl tied [04:53]
BingoBoingo *tangents [04:53]
mircea_popescu check it out jurov teh plebs do not like your art! [04:54]
cazalla ya should toss a quote in from that boy and the tree, that'd go well in /pol/ believe it or not [04:55]
mircea_popescu (honestly, that hauling assets banner is great, easily the best of the crop. meanwhile the qntra one is probably the shittiest. imagine these derps, conflating the extremes like that) [04:55]
BingoBoingo Nah that's a tie for beating rhonda quotes [04:55]
mircea_popescu cazalla oh that's a point huh. [04:55]
cazalla it's a great story though, not the first trilema article i read but the first that stuck in my mind [04:56]
cazalla BingoBoingo, anyway we should both train and then we can put on some exhibition fights in BA in a year or 2, find some local picaninnies to go up against [04:59]
BingoBoingo cazalla: That sounds agreeable [04:59]
mircea_popescu ;;seen mike_c [04:59]
gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: i'll add something [04:59]
BingoBoingo The dying locust tree in the back yard will probably appreciate the break [05:00]
mircea_popescu omg mikey! i need you. [05:00]
BingoBoingo If anyone didn't guess already the Qntra Bird Flu article came out of buying 2 dozen eggs and the next week buying the same two dozen eggs for a budget busting (who plans for 67% markups) price. [05:03]
cazalla BingoBoingo, buying em? what's the matter with you, can't catch a chicken? [05:04]
cazalla chicken chasing is how we use to train in the old days btw [05:04]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu! [13:12]
mircea_popescu aha [13:13]
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mircea_popescu aha [13:13]
mircea_popescu 340k submitted HOL SHIT [13:14]
asciilifeform ahahahaha. [13:14]
mircea_popescu achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa. [13:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu read log [13:14]
asciilifeform and check yer mails [13:14]
mircea_popescu lol [13:16]
mircea_popescu dude... [13:16]
mircea_popescu yes im going to [13:16]
asciilifeform the most lulzy part (what the common factor was) is not even posted publicly yet. [13:16]
mircea_popescu im waiting to share it in the interview lolz. [13:17]
asciilifeform kudos to mircea_popescu for supplying the cpu cycles for this apparatus pro bono [13:17]
mircea_popescu i am in complete disbelief that this actually happened. [13:18]
mxtm what exactly has happened? [13:18]
mxtm gpg key has been breached? [13:18]
mxtm or [13:18]
asciilifeform mxtm: some 2 schmucks (of which i've identified 1, but the other will follow in a week or so) had common factor in their rsa private keys. [13:18]
mircea_popescu this is truly fucking major. [13:19]
mxtm and you derived the priv keys from this? [13:19]
mircea_popescu yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey. [13:20]
mxtm jeez [13:21]
mircea_popescu yes. [13:21]
mxtm that is quite major [13:21]
mircea_popescu that is quite major. but it's not the half of it. [13:26]
mircea_popescu more stuff to be announced here, later. [13:26]
mircea_popescu ;;rated asciilifeform [13:28]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate asciilifeform 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing. [13:28]
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mircea_popescu !rated asciilifeform [13:28]
assbot You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor.. [13:28]
asciilifeform eh waitup [13:28]
mircea_popescu !rate asciilifeform 5 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing. [13:28]
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asciilifeform perhaps the ssl folks did [13:28]
asciilifeform factor one [13:28]
mircea_popescu i sign my lines, you sign your lines [13:28]
asciilifeform l0k [13:29]
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williamdunne Holy shit wel done asciii [13:53]
asciilifeform williamdunne: 'first ecstacy, then laundry.' (al schwartz) [13:54]
asciilifeform jurov: most peculiar. it is a valid rsa key. [13:57]
mircea_popescu yeah now he has to do various shit. [13:57]
asciilifeform no this is a good find, i will add it to the queue of three or four other mysterymeats [13:58]
asciilifeform the only peculiar thing i can see in this key is the use of odd orcish hieroglyphs in the id string [13:58]
asciilifeform but that shouldn't throw off my apparatus. [13:58]
mircea_popescu lmao utf strikes again [13:59]
mircea_popescu python strings alf. python strings. [14:00]
* asciilifeform promises to investigate this oddity, and see if there are others like it, as soon as finishes current plate [14:01]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey. << holy shit o.0 [14:04]
mircea_popescu ikr? [14:04]
asciilifeform for the record, since folks were asking, much simpler than i thought, [14:06]
asciilifeform we have schmuck-P; if one were to divide Π(∀n) by (schmuck-P ^ 2), result is J*K where J is $schmuck-Q and K is $otherschmuck-Q. thereby K*schmuck-P == otherschmuckmodulus. [14:06]
asciilifeform no need to walk it. [14:06]
mod6 lol, great work. [14:08]
mod6 im stunned. very impressive. [14:09]
mircea_popescu [14:10]
asciilifeform that was fast. [14:10]
mike_c mircea_popescu: good afternoon [14:11]
mircea_popescu had to. [14:11]
mircea_popescu mike_c just hte man i wanted to see [14:11]
mike_c what can i do for you? [14:11]
mircea_popescu say, can i has 728x90 bitbet banners ? and in some manner WITH the link, so i can put them on 8chan ? [14:11]
mircea_popescu you get to use your own btc addy for referrals. [14:11]
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mike_c yeah, i can whip that up [14:12]
mircea_popescu excellent. [14:12]
mod6 wow! 231?! [14:13]
* mod6 falls out of his chair [14:13]
mxtm looooooooooooooool [14:13]
mxtm yeah [14:13]
mxtm that's great [14:13]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, congratulations [14:13]
mod6 ^^ [14:13]
Apocalyptic this is quite stunning [14:13]
mircea_popescu word. [14:14]
mircea_popescu i am quite stunned myself. [14:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, i do encourage everyone to try this themselves. [14:14]
mxtm now what do we do with our GPG keys and GPG in general :( [14:15]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, isn't Π(∀n) the product of all the modulus treated by phuctor ? how do you get $schmuck-Q * $otherschmuck-Q by dividing it by (schmuck-P ^ 2) ? [14:15]
mircea_popescu mxtm we check implementations to make sure they're conformant to spec. [14:16]
mircea_popescu the spec is in no way broken by this. [14:16]
mircea_popescu oh also - if anyone has a hacker news account or w/e - put it in. [14:17]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: you are correct, the formula is missing a step. but i will leave it as exercise. [14:17]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, that calculation makes sense if Π(∀n) is in fact the product of only the two modulus we're interested in [14:17]
mats asciilifeform: seen this? [14:22]
asciilifeform mats: the ssl folks ? [14:22]
asciilifeform i shat on them when we started out, because they published neither code nor results ! [14:22]
asciilifeform and i shit on them now. [14:22]
mircea_popescu ^ [14:22]
mircea_popescu never happened (tm) [14:23]
asciilifeform aha. [14:23]
asciilifeform the paper is worth reading, it contains a bit of exposition on -how- a schmuck might end up with dupped privates [14:23]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, also I noticed that "Moduli waiting to test" number is updated quite regularly, why the running product displays the same number of digits for a while now, I guess it doesn't update as often ? [14:23]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: it gets updated when a batch is done [14:23]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: so you'll be waiting a few days [14:24]
Apocalyptic s/why/while [14:24]
asciilifeform ^ good question [14:24]
asciilifeform answrs. [14:24]
mircea_popescu optimized bubble-like process, was discussed in the logs iirc [14:24]
mircea_popescu faster to pair them up. [14:24]
asciilifeform we don't crap out the product often, it dances on the disk and slows things down [14:24]
asciilifeform it lives in ram normally. [14:24]
Apocalyptic understandable [14:24]
asciilifeform (which is why the thing takes an ungodly time to revv back up after a cold boot) [14:24]
deedbot- [Trilema] Full disclosure : 4096 RSA key in the strongset factored. - [14:26]
davout [14:27]
asciilifeform aaaaand then there were 2. [14:28]
asciilifeform [14:28]
mats if that makes it to front page, prepare for an onslaught of 'mp is a pornographer and slaver' [14:28]
mircea_popescu oh, well... this was powered by slave labour. [14:28]
mircea_popescu ask anyone. such as stan. [14:29]
mats asciilifeform: ya, wasn't sure if the link was the same paper you referred to earlier re: 'ssl folks' [14:29]
jurov lol. and which machine was this? in odessa? [14:29]
mircea_popescu ayup [14:29]
mircea_popescu and holy shit. [14:30]
mircea_popescu boys ? it ... it just found another. [14:30]
mircea_popescu NOT the pair to the previous one. [14:30]
mircea_popescu another PAIR [14:30]
mod6 wow! [14:30]
mxtm WHAT LOL [14:30]
mod6 exponential ?! [14:30]
mircea_popescu omfg strong set is rotten to the core. [14:30]
mircea_popescu expo-fucking-nential. [14:30]
mircea_popescu see, it needed a well loaded up P [14:30]
davout hory shet [14:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform is this 500 line py script published anywhere ? [14:31]
asciilifeform which [14:31]
asciilifeform the ugly www frontend ? [14:31]
asciilifeform or werker [14:31]
Apocalyptic wait, the worker is a python script ? [14:32]
asciilifeform i don't recall if i posted it anywhere. [14:32]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: v1 was. but not this one [14:32]
asciilifeform the thing that does the gruntwork is in c, uses gmp (as gpg uses) [14:32]
Apocalyptic sound choice [14:32]
asciilifeform the www front end is an ugly python hack [14:32]
mircea_popescu werker [14:32]
mircea_popescu ah ok [14:32]
asciilifeform i posted werker in #b-a a few days after phuctor went public [14:32]
asciilifeform no one commented [14:32]
asciilifeform feel free to post somewhere [14:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform plox put it as post on loper-os [14:33]
asciilifeform the src specifically ? [14:33]
mircea_popescu and yes, 2nd one also includes key in strong set. [14:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sure, lemme cook up a ps0t [14:33]
mircea_popescu ty [14:34]
davout so 2 identified keys have been factored and 2 others have been factored, but not identified yet, right? [14:36]
asciilifeform aha [14:36]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, will the second colliding prime be published ? [14:37]
davout just publish them in chan, as they come, more log readership [14:37]
davout :D [14:38]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic nah. [14:38]
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mircea_popescu just owner(s) announced. [14:38]
mircea_popescu davout two pairs of gpg keys are known, in the sense that their pubkey modulus has been factored. [14:39]
kakobrekla same p on second one? [14:40]
mircea_popescu nope. 21 this time. why bother with a full length 77 when one could just use 7. [14:40]
mircea_popescu faster. [14:40]
Apocalyptic just owner(s) announced. // once you have the owners name you can get their keys, and at that point it's trivial to compute the common prime factor [14:40]
mircea_popescu (generally - since the gcd finally contains 3, it will be a massacre now for all the shitty keys) [14:40]
mod6 21?! [14:40]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic announced PRIVATELY. of course. [14:41]
mircea_popescu im not tellin' you. [14:41]
Apocalyptic oh ok [14:41]
davout mod6: digits? [14:41]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic from what i hear alf's contemplating sending them certs signed by their own key. [14:43]
mircea_popescu he has a sense of humour like that. [14:43]
Apocalyptic heh [14:43]
mod6 proof in the pudding :] [14:43]
davout mircea_popescu: best proof possible [14:44]
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mircea_popescu if anything shows the value of hard work and just sitting down and doing it, in the present environment of financial "futures" and just-in-time everything, this would be it. [14:45]
davout !rated bad_duck [14:46]
assbot You rated user bad_duck on 25-Mar-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: encore une victoire pour canard. [14:46]
mircea_popescu everybody could have tyold you gcd'ing is a waste of time and cycles. [14:46]
mats [14:46]
mircea_popescu "que permitía romper una clave pública de 1024 bits en 20 minutos, con un simple portátil." [14:47]
jurov [14:47]
mircea_popescu [14:48]
mircea_popescu you know, just a line down from where i say "i have my doubts 4096 keys will EVER be factored." [14:48]
bad_duck davout: thx [14:48]
mircea_popescu of course, i was not contemplating nonsense of this sort. [14:48]
asciilifeform [14:48]
davout bad_duck: you should be able to !up yourself in PM with assbot [14:48]
assbot Logged on 15-05-2015 04:11:23; mircea_popescu: (for they following at home : 4x as many bits does not mean 4x as large numbers. when computer registers went from 32 to 64 bits, maxint went from 2147483647 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807) [14:48]
asciilifeform jurov: i'm waiting for the apocalyptic 'omg1111111111!!!111 pgp broken, seppuku now' stampede [14:49]
davout hahaha, reddit is downvoting it [14:49]
davout [14:49]
mircea_popescu lol. [14:49]
davout if(matters) { downvote } else { moon_moon_moon } [14:50]
jurov more like "mircea popescu t3h ev1l" [14:50]
mircea_popescu what do i have to oh [14:51]
mircea_popescu cause of trilema ? ookay. [14:51]
davout because paywall... [14:52]
mircea_popescu the supreme irony of which being, that you have to be a fairly frequent reader to hit the paywall. [14:53]
davout precisely [14:53]
jurov of be behind NAT with an reader [14:53]
jurov *or [14:53]
mxtm wait [14:53]
mircea_popescu i guess, yeah. [14:53]
mxtm apparently, luckier [14:53]
asciilifeform the article on my www (earlier link) contains link to 'werker' [14:53]
asciilifeform for curious folks [14:53]
mxtm is that supposed to be a hint at the number [14:53]
asciilifeform l0l [14:53]
mircea_popescu mxtm no, it's just that having maintained control over the box i feel no need to divulge anything. [14:54]
mxtm gotcha [14:54]
mats re: previous es link, it appears openssl at some point did not check whether factors were weak [14:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at this point i must note that i have no idea if i'm connected to shakespeare or another man by the same name, when i talk to dulap [14:54]
mircea_popescu mats gpg always did afaik, special algo foir this [14:54]
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asciilifeform the box, if it had been purloined and returned, has yielded up its private ssh key to enemy [14:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why, no openssl ? :D [14:55]
mircea_popescu you can make another one. [14:55]
asciilifeform make other one by taking airplane ? [14:55]
mircea_popescu make another one while ssh'd in :D [14:55]
asciilifeform or by asking ft meade, where the process lives now, to do it [14:55]
asciilifeform if it was stolen - it remains stolen [14:55]
asciilifeform sorta how one can't un-fuck goat [14:55]
asciilifeform take a minute to think [14:56]
asciilifeform l0lz [14:56]
* asciilifeform appreciates. commenting re: 'maintained control' [14:56]
mircea_popescu << the problems of people. [14:56]
jurov just use cpanel to replace the ssh key, no? [14:56]
mircea_popescu ^^^ [14:56]
mircea_popescu voted most likely to succeed perianne. [14:57]
asciilifeform so far this is nothing. [14:59]
mircea_popescu davout hit a reload, went from 2 points by davout 8 minutes ago to 49 points by davout 35 minutes ago | 11 comments [14:59]
asciilifeform wait till we find the boobytrapped pgptron that is responsible for the $smallint factors. [14:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform very curious, because i always suspected you know "older versions" [15:00]
mircea_popescu well... shit man, older versions don't really do 4kb keys [15:00]
trinque holy phuctor [15:00]
asciilifeform gonna guess it's a creative bug where pollard-rho -must- fail to pass [15:00]
davout asciilifeform: what's the version string on the key? [15:00]
asciilifeform which one [15:01]
jurov phuctor discards comments, i guess [15:01]
asciilifeform jurov: actually sks does [15:01]
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mircea_popescu yeah, sks cuts comments. [15:02]
mircea_popescu this, tbh, is a good move, because : someone came up with the fucktarded idea of adding "visual" identity to keys. as if i can tell one whore from another on the basis of a 5kb icon. [15:02]
asciilifeform i was never strongly interested in the version strings. anyone can write what he wants. [15:03]
asciilifeform it isn't even signed [15:03]
mircea_popescu allowing comments means you can't have fixed width tables, which ffs. [15:03]
asciilifeform i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse. [15:03]
jurov << snatched verbatim [15:03]
mircea_popescu also this. [15:03]
mircea_popescu jurov lots of these republishing things. i think it's some business major's idea of web entrepreneurship [15:03]
asciilifeform [15:04]
asciilifeform ^^^ [15:04]
asciilifeform ! [15:04]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers [15:04]
mats hey, they preserved links to the original thing. [15:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know. [15:05]
mircea_popescu what did you think the considerations were. [15:05]
asciilifeform [15:07]
mxtm woah, i didn't know that hpa was [15:07]
mxtm THE peter anvin [15:07]
trinque so... gpg's used by kernel devs to sign patches, eh? [15:07]
trinque oh man he's the maintainer of [15:08]
mxtm used to be [15:08]
mxtm and like his name used to show up on syslinux [15:08]
trinque that's... incredible [15:08]
mxtm everything that used syslinux [15:08]
mxtm it would be like [15:08]
mircea_popescu sadly. [15:08]
asciilifeform wai wut [15:11]
* asciilifeform was off reading wankatron threads on hn, reddit [15:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought you were banned on graham-altman propertiesd [15:11]
asciilifeform did we just nuke a known fella [15:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my -site- iirc was banned. [15:11]
mircea_popescu ah ah [15:11]
mircea_popescu you were banned on wikipedia, for being a spammer, i recall now. [15:11]
asciilifeform i'm a little surprised that trilema wasn't [15:11]
mircea_popescu << independently confirmed [15:12]
mod6 nice [15:12]
davout <<< did that for a deed, got trinque all worked up, 'whoa, you really do GPG on an atari box??' [15:12]
trinque haha [15:13]
trinque twas win 3.11, I remember [15:13]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 17:59:08; asciilifeform: i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse. [15:13]
mircea_popescu "In the army battle field tactical communication are handle by streaming ciphers on the radio. The idea is not to be impossible to breach. But strong enough that time is on your side" [15:13]
mircea_popescu experts :D [15:13]
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d34th d9b4bef9 danielpbarron davout decimation deedbot- diametric dignork donpillou dooglus dub [15:14]
mircea_popescu !up d34th [15:14]
-assbot- You voiced d34th for 30 minutes. [15:14]
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d34th thanks, its been a while since i've been in here [15:14]
mircea_popescu how do you like the world outside ? [15:14]
d34th its a dark and dangerous place [15:15]
mircea_popescu lol [15:15]
mircea_popescu << apparently the ddos guy is still lurking. [15:15]
mircea_popescu gotta update that post. [15:15]
mircea_popescu actually i guess just the comment will do. [15:16]
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williamdunne To this day I have not had my connection drop, the wired connection has remained solid without dropping. Maybe I'm just lucky and ddos guys like me? [15:17]
mircea_popescu Server Load 0.45 << kinda funny to watch trilema iron. [15:17]
mircea_popescu williamdunne i dunno what exactly he does, but if people are complaining it must be something. [15:18]
trinque it has happened to me on occasion [15:18]
d34th mircea_popescu: question about the working is it cpu based or opencl [15:18]
trinque not since cloaked and getting a new IP from the ISP [15:18]
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mircea_popescu d34th you mean phuctor ? it's cpu [15:19]
mircea_popescu !up kmq [15:19]
-assbot- You voiced kmq for 30 minutes. [15:19]
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d34th i have a few cores i could donate [15:19]
davout it would probably make sense for the phuctor to start munching SSL certs as well [15:19]
mircea_popescu d34th you wanna do something, do the same with ssl certs. [15:19]
mircea_popescu openssl is dead for us here./ [15:19]
asciilifeform see link by mats earlier [15:20]
asciilifeform re: openssl [15:20]
asciilifeform (it was, purportedly, done, by a bunch of academitards who refuse to publish any results) [15:20]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: banner created. [15:20]
mircea_popescu mike_c how do i get what url it needs to link to ? [15:20]
asciilifeform incidentally, folks asking 'how does it work' can go to my site & read the fucking src now [15:21]
asciilifeform the relevant bit is posted [15:21]
davout mircea_popescu: it would be better for the phuctor itself to do it [15:21]
mircea_popescu you can just import the P ? [15:21]
mircea_popescu it's published for this reason. [15:21]
davout or i guess yes, GCD the running product once in a while [15:21]
asciilifeform this is a point, if you convert your ssl or whatever rsa key to pgp format, [15:21]
asciilifeform you can throw it in the pot with the rest. [15:22]
mircea_popescu ^ [15:22]
asciilifeform ditto ssh [15:22]
mircea_popescu in other news, how does a server look while trending on everything ? like so : [15:22]
mircea_popescu CKKC_CKC__._CKKKKWKKKK__KK_KKK___KKKK___C_KKC_KK___C_K.WWK._K__. [15:22]
mircea_popescu .KK_WCCC__K___CK_KKKK___K__C__C_KW_C_KK_K_KWK__C_CKC_W___.CK_KCK [15:22]
mircea_popescu KC_K_K__C_K_____K_______K_K_K____________K_..._................. [15:22]
mircea_popescu .............K.................................................. [15:22]
davout asciilifeform: it doesn't parse plain rsa keys? [15:22]
asciilifeform (please don't throw in private key. i will -not- get it back out for you) [15:22]
asciilifeform davout: nope. applies pgp parser 1st [15:22]
asciilifeform -possibly- if folks ask nicely i will add a 'throw modulus raw' thing [15:23]
asciilifeform but right now the display apparatus expects all moduli to be associated with pgp keys [15:23]
asciilifeform (one or more) [15:23]
mike_c I have a script that will do it, not sure if you can use that for your ads? If not, we could either pick a specific bet to promote and link it to that, or link to homepage. [15:24]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: What do the CKW__.s mean? [15:24]
asciilifeform does one of you ad folks wanna make a commemorative banner for this occasion ? [15:24]
asciilifeform 'we broke a 4096 key, read how' [15:24]
asciilifeform etc [15:24]
davout lol, good idea [15:25]
mircea_popescu williamdunne "_" Waiting for Connection, "S" Starting up, "R" Reading Request, "W" Sending Reply, "K" Keepalive (read), "D" DNS Lookup, "C" Closing connection, "L" Logging, "G" Gracefully finishing, "I" Idle cleanup of worker, "." Open slot with no current process [15:25]
mircea_popescu mike_c you see how the 8chan ads work ? [15:25]
asciilifeform [15:25]
mircea_popescu i pass a base64 img wrapped in a tags. could you maybe make it be the same and i just forward it ? dunno. [15:26]
asciilifeform then again, is it 'him' or 'another shakespeare' [15:26]
asciilifeform anybody got any material signed by anvin ? [15:26]
davout few extra features to implement for the phuctor... also nice to have: "throw list of URLs at it, it fetches the SSL cert and tries to factor it" [15:26]
mircea_popescu davout yeah cuz we're so totally out of material to squeeze atm :D [15:26]
asciilifeform l0l aha [15:26]
mike_c mircea_popescu: iframe? [15:26]
mircea_popescu run out of geyser oil, gotta go to fracking. [15:26]
davout yo [15:26]
trinque asciilifeform: ? [15:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c << see what it imports from [15:27]
williamdunne mike_c: could work just as well as an [15:27]
mircea_popescu nice one trinque [15:27]
trinque mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy [15:27]
asciilifeform trinque: 0xBDA06085493BACE4 [15:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35469 @ 0.00028515 = 10.114 BTC [+] [15:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform << please be warned about my kthx [15:30]
mike_c mircea_popescu: ok, i can make something like that. headed to a bbq right now, I'll get it going tonight. [15:30]
mircea_popescu thanks! [15:30]
mike_c mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: awesome work guys :) [15:30]
mircea_popescu mostly him. [15:30]
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jurov interesting [15:32]
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Apocalyptic asciilifeform, it so happens that $shmuck-Q is actually not a prime as well [15:32]
mircea_popescu nothing is a prime anymore ;/ [15:33]
asciilifeform jurov: i was suspecting a spurious key [15:33]
asciilifeform or corrupt sks [15:34]
mircea_popescu interesting. [15:34]
mircea_popescu anyone feel like running a -v -v over the thing ? [15:35]
mircea_popescu curious what the actually useful output is. [15:35]
mircea_popescu << also this. [15:36]
mircea_popescu seems the guy was maybe being attacked or something ? [15:36]
asciilifeform << i get this [15:36]
jurov double verbose: [15:36]
asciilifeform me thinks we may have found a mouse hill. [15:37]
asciilifeform who's got the mouse spray [15:37]
d34th asciilifeform: [15:38]
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mircea_popescu so this is a manufactured subkey that was somehow uploaded to sks and merged into the guy's key but not necessarily used or even issued by him ? [15:40]
asciilifeform [15:41]
mircea_popescu incidentally... how likely is it that this behaviour is emergent, which is to say, you can't import the weak key ANYMORE ? [15:42]
trinque deedbot-: [15:42]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [15:42]
mircea_popescu possible at all even ? [15:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite possibly it was diddled -in order to- create this effect. [15:42]
mircea_popescu hm [15:43]
asciilifeform then again, what would they gain ? [15:43]
asciilifeform the subkey is skipped [15:43]
asciilifeform so what [15:43]
asciilifeform the rest of it gets sucked in [15:43]
mircea_popescu how would i know that [15:43]
asciilifeform anything anvin signs with his actual key, should still validate [15:43]
mircea_popescu no idea. [15:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00028395 = 7.6383 BTC [-] {2} [15:43]
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trinque jurov: so yours imported the subkey? [15:46]
jurov no, rejected, scroll to the bottom [15:47]
trinque ah I see it; different output than mine [15:47]
jurov i asked it to be twice as verbose [15:47]
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trinque yeah I did -v -v [15:48]
trinque maybe different versions [15:48]
asciilifeform at the moment it looks like sks bit rot is responsible [15:48]
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asciilifeform anybody got his original published key ? [15:48]
asciilifeform the one for which the sigs verify [15:48]
asciilifeform (anvin's) [15:49]
mircea_popescu ^ [15:49]
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mircea_popescu because we have a year-old snapshot and it doesn't look different. [15:49]
asciilifeform (and we haven't even begun the other 3 poor schmucks) [15:49]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wonder if this is reproducible, make sks servers display random data as people's subkeys. [15:50]
mircea_popescu definitely not what's expected from / implied by the listings, but who knows. [15:50]
asciilifeform seems like a bit of a tall order to believe that anvin was struck by a lucky cosmic ray [15:50]
asciilifeform this 'uncle' is 'too rich' to die a natural death [15:51]
asciilifeform too many hungry heirs [15:51]
mircea_popescu even from a purely operational standpoint - it'd seem sks servers have all the interest in the world to reject such broken keys rather than publish them, carry them in db etc [15:51]
asciilifeform afaik they don't check [15:51]
mircea_popescu weird. [15:51]
asciilifeform (if anyone can disprove this, please wake me up) [15:51]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we're #1 on hn btw [15:51]
mxtm wow [15:52]
asciilifeform [15:52]
mxtm noice [15:52]
mircea_popescu couldn't have happened to better people. [15:52]
asciilifeform 'Here's what's going on: There are a number of keys on the keyservers that are faulty copies of real keys - they share most of the values, but have some errors. I don't exactly know why that is happening, but I assume it's because of network transmission errors or server crashes during transmissions. These keys don't really do any harm. ...' [15:52]
asciilifeform l0l [15:52]
mxtm wat [15:53]
asciilifeform <<< aaad we got a plagiarist [15:53]
mircea_popescu i am not sure how much of this to believe. [15:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so what exactly is this, ft meade damage control ? [15:53]
asciilifeform obligatory: [15:54]
asciilifeform [15:54]
asciilifeform fuck [15:54]
asciilifeform '04-06-2014 00:08:26 BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.' [15:54]
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assbot Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. [15:54]
mircea_popescu !up irkki [15:54]
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mats assbot lives [15:55]
mircea_popescu slow, but here. [15:55]
asciilifeform [15:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol dude's story is that he's replicated the results of phuctor since late march ? [15:56]
mircea_popescu mmmmkay. [15:56]
mircea_popescu brave of him to come out like that lol. [15:57]
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mats hello visitors [16:02]
kakobrekla prolly ddosed to moon [16:02]
mircea_popescu strange, our fortress has a moat, provided free of charge by "the enemy" [16:02]
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tmp6548 Hi all [16:03]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: who is hanno's sponsor? [16:03]
mats >> 'Nop Hopping: Hiding Functionality in Alignment' [16:04]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: feel free to dig. i can't be bothered. [16:04]
trinque [16:04]
ben_vulpes found that, yeah [16:04]
asciilifeform mats: jumping into the middle of an instruction is as old as time [16:05]
* ben_vulpes is still sobering up from last nights revelry [16:05]
mircea_popescu freelance journo/whatevs. doubt there's sponsors in the classic sense. [16:05]
asciilifeform mats: classic vx-er trick [16:05]
mircea_popescu "The results I worried about, millions of children running Windows on the OLPC, have not occurred. Instead we see millions of children running Windows on the Intel Classmate." [16:06]
mircea_popescu poor rms. [16:06]
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asciilifeform incidentally, anybody want to take the time to walk the sks set and check for 'skipped...' ? [16:09]
asciilifeform 'there is never kitchen with single cockroach' [16:10]
ben_vulpes * BingoBoingo though doing an honest assessment finds a person who can reasonably keep up in a lot of #b-a convos but who can't program for shit. And honestly... training to trade punches seems much easier than learning to program on any level approaching asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, and mod6. << you could catch up to me in rather short order [16:10]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'caltrop' << how does the tossing of control bits affect output? [16:12]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you won't see certain bytes in the output [16:12]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i specifically warned you not to use an rs232 dongle. don't be surprised when output fails a number of tests. [16:12]
ben_vulpes so if the device randomly cooks up a control sequence that will get ripped out? [16:12]
asciilifeform at all times. [16:12]
ben_vulpes aha [16:12]
asciilifeform 'everything can be as simple as possible, but not simpler' (TM) (R) [16:13]
davout asciilifeform mircea_popescu is the same 'skipped' behaviour observed when importing the second broken key? [16:13]
mircea_popescu and then, as that's ripped out, some tests will find the entropy not as good [16:13]
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mircea_popescu davout tis on the list of things to do, but it is a long list [16:14]
ben_vulpes i am not as malbec immune as davout thinks [16:14]
mircea_popescu !up yang [16:14]
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yang hi [16:14]
mats asciilifeform: as a new dog i must learn old tricks [16:14]
mircea_popescu ello [16:14]
mats asciilifeform: this in particular wasn't new to me but nonetheless i shared [16:14]
ben_vulpes mats: as a new dog i must piss on each and every electric fence [16:14]
davout mircea_popescu: it'd be really interesting to know, it's a gpg --recv-keys | grep skipped away [16:14]
mats asciilifeform: it hurts ma ego everytiem i get a 'old fucking news' [16:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it'll be especially puzzling because you won't immediately know why it fails, given as you debiased the bits [16:15]
asciilifeform (you did, didntcha?) [16:15]
ben_vulpes workin on that part [16:15]
asciilifeform so the missing value in the output won't be, e.g, 13 [16:15]
asciilifeform it'll be a pattern. [16:15]
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mircea_popescu davout yes but honestly i'd rather let it work some more first. [16:15]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes a fine example of the perils of "whitening". [16:16]
asciilifeform just as i said then [16:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: got a link to your article quoting that day's convo ? [16:16]
asciilifeform i've misplaced it [16:16]
asciilifeform the one with rs232 link [16:16]
mircea_popescu you can't fool mother nature. nevertheless, it is more than happy to sell you the tools by which to fool yourself. [16:16]
mircea_popescu lemme look [16:17]
asciilifeform filed somewhere under s.nsa iirc [16:17]
mircea_popescu oh ya 1 sec [16:17]
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mircea_popescu !up xaxs [16:17]
asciilifeform ty mircea_popescu. that's the one. [16:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes ^^^^ [16:18]
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decimation asciilifeform: so did the sks server at one point accept anvin's key and then later bitrotted it? [16:20]
decimation cause I thought there was a checksum [16:20]
mircea_popescu this seems the most ... "nothing happened, go back to sleep"-benign theory. [16:20]
mircea_popescu it seems tempting, tho there are sticking points. but in any case, as phuctor progresses we'll get a better idea. [16:21]
mircea_popescu now that it has 3, 7, 11 etc in the P it will find all these. [16:21]
decimation doesn't the sks server check before shitting public key? [16:21]
decimation 'oh I got a bad key' [16:21]
mircea_popescu more on point, would you expect they STORE bad keys ? [16:21]
trinque incidentally dieharder has been busted in gentoo for at least two months [16:21]
mircea_popescu why ? space is an issue, right ? [16:21]
mircea_popescu trinque how ? [16:22]
trinque I'm trying to figure out why it wont build [16:22]
mircea_popescu heh. [16:22]
decimation apparently because of their political stance (all gpg keys must be public and stored for all time) [16:22]
ben_vulpes trinque: so it's not me! [16:22]
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asciilifeform they store them, easily enough, by never checking [16:22]
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asciilifeform l0l it cuts the nicks [16:22]
mircea_popescu decimation doesn't that stance open them to incredible ddos ? [16:22]
decimation heh yeah sure does [16:22]
mircea_popescu i mean, if the claims is accurate, what's to keep me from making anyone's sks profile 1 gb long ? [16:22]
decimation I don't think anything [16:23]
mircea_popescu full of 1mn such pubkeys ? [16:23]
ben_vulpes trinque: how does one go about walking the history of portage? [16:23]
trinque ben_vulpes: you can always build a specific version provided the ebuild is still available in portage by emerge =category-name/thing-0.1.2 [16:23]
trinque this underscores the need to archive /usr/portage/distfiles [16:24]
decimation well, I guess if you want your 'roster of people' to be a combination of legal record and bathroom graffiti, they got you covered [16:24]
asciilifeform ^ [16:24]
trinque and probably the portage tree itself [16:24]
mircea_popescu decimation anyway, we'll know more / anything of actual substance once the guy himself answers. [16:25]
asciilifeform [16:25]
mircea_popescu and we'll have a pretty decent picture once phuctor's done walking the set, which looks like a coupla months [16:25]
decimation indeed. I'm off on a home improvement project, good luck with the ramblig mob that's gonna come by [16:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the man has a good point. [16:25]
asciilifeform very much [16:26]
asciilifeform why not one of the guests is speaking, l0l [16:26]
asciilifeform all ddosed ? [16:26]
davout HN now displays "Why Japanese Toilets Are Failing in America (2013)" higher than this [16:27]
trinque lol this is now #20 [16:27]
trinque for me [16:27]
asciilifeform davout: pg has an override button that is used very frequently and with scarcely any subterfuge [16:27]
asciilifeform (most folks know) [16:27]
mircea_popescu davout what diff does it make lol. [16:28]
davout none, just a random observation :D [16:28]
asciilifeform i recommend that someone who cares, snapshot the thing before it vanishes entirely [16:28]
asciilifeform assuming anyone cares. [16:28]
davout I was thinking time-decay algo [16:28]
trinque jumped from #1 to #20 abruptly for me [16:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there [16:29]
trinque I've been refreshing [16:29]
asciilifeform neato [16:30]
mircea_popescu what was it that wiped an article badly leaving it still sorta-visible ? [16:30]
mircea_popescu was it reddit i think ? [16:30]
asciilifeform reddit [16:30]
asciilifeform re: blocksizewarz [16:30]
asciilifeform it was mega-lulzy [16:30]
asciilifeform because the 'hand of smiting' was visible [16:31]
trinque tendrils everywhere [16:31]
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mircea_popescu oh right right [16:32]
asciilifeform iirc there's a full copy of it on mircea_popescu's www [16:33]
mircea_popescu was like "we have consensus and therefore will delete your reddit thread proving the contrary. because this will totally work, you being some derps who depend on the graham lulzatron" [16:33]
mircea_popescu then it... didn't work. [16:33]
mircea_popescu whether that proves the contrary, or for that matter whether the contrary needs any proof... exercise for reader. [16:34]
ben_vulpes << bobby boy do i have to smack you again? [16:35]
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ben_vulpes can you hear me major tom... [16:36]
JPT Thank you [16:37]
mircea_popescu sure. who're you ? [16:37]
JPT I decided to read along a little since it got to me that some rsa keys were broken ;) [16:37]
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mircea_popescu aha. enjoy. [16:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: [16:38]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [16:38]
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gribble Current Blocks: 356889 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1958 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52452025482.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.46717 [16:38]
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mircea_popescu so in also newsworthy : between yesterday and today there has been a shitton of hashpower added [16:39]
mircea_popescu enough to push the estimate up 5 points. [16:39]
asciilifeform any public comment on who/why ? [16:39]
mircea_popescu no. and obviously, "the process is inherently dirty" etc. nevertheless... [16:40]
mircea_popescu something came online. [16:40]
asciilifeform perhaps the first batch of those cable boxes. [16:40]
mircea_popescu lol. no fucking way. [16:40]
asciilifeform eh howthefuck would i know. but why not. [16:40]
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mircea_popescu tosoon dude. how fast do you think that can be deployed. [16:41]
asciilifeform yesterday - if they were baked a month ago [16:41]
mircea_popescu not even designed yet. [16:41]
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asciilifeform it srsly isn't hard [16:41]
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asciilifeform none of this shit is hard [16:42]
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mircea_popescu nothing is hard. nothing gets done. ya know ? [16:42]
trinque lol dieharder has been rotting for a year on both redhat descendants and gentoo [16:42]
asciilifeform trinque: wai wat ?! [16:42]
trinque [16:42]
asciilifeform as in, won't build at all ? [16:42]
asciilifeform or just as ebuild [16:42]
mircea_popescu trinque only terrorists would want to test their rngs. [16:42]
trinque yeah I'm figuring out a patch [16:42]
davout asciilifeform: just because something is easy for a guy with 200 IQ doesn't mean it's as easy for two dudes with 100 IQ [16:42]
trinque just missing an include [16:42]
trinque for intptr_t [16:42]
trinque blowing up inside glibc [16:42]
asciilifeform davout: no, i meant that it is actually not hard. as in, go and read definition for sha256 [16:42]
asciilifeform not rocket surgery [16:43]
mircea_popescu THAT is hard. [16:43]
davout just teasing :D [16:43]
trinque asciilifeform: [16:43]
mircea_popescu half the "literate" population can't even read trilema because "it's too hard" and words hurt their brain [16:43]
davout only action can be hard as only action can oppose resistance [16:43]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they won't read it because it makes them want to eat a luger [16:44]
asciilifeform this is understandable [16:44]
trinque gotta already want to eat a luger when you find trilema :p [16:44]
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mircea_popescu lol [16:44]
asciilifeform perhaps it needs a 'cum se suge luger' article [16:45]
mircea_popescu lmao [16:45]
mircea_popescu you know that's to this day one of the most popular articles ? i dunno what's with them ppls. [16:45]
trinque ok I fixed the dieharder build on gentoo [16:45]
asciilifeform like my 'clojure' article aha [16:46]
asciilifeform trinque: congrats. post plz [16:46]
trinque yeah I'll make a patch [16:46]
trinque just missing an include [16:46]
asciilifeform (mine was built in '11 and never touched since) [16:46]
mircea_popescu << THAT comment needs to go. lol. [16:46]
mircea_popescu funny how targetted them folks are. [16:46]
asciilifeform aha [16:46]
asciilifeform wondered if anyone will notice [16:46]
ben_vulpes most she-haters i know are womenz. << girl last night pointed out that all of her worst clients (she's a physical therapist, deals with highly athletic folks coming to terms with their now-reduced performance envelopes) are women [16:46]
davout oh god srsly, white on white [16:46]
delan mircea_popescu: grats to you and loper on factorising hpa’s key [16:47]
delan I really hope my keys’ factors are /actually/ prime [16:47]
mircea_popescu delan myeah. one shouldn't have to hope on this score, but then again here we are. [16:47]
asciilifeform delan: the good news is, that it remains possible to do arithmetic whether or not anyone grants permission. go and run test on your own [16:47]
mircea_popescu arithmetics drm, now that's an idea. [16:47]
asciilifeform delan: imagine, the entire 'international community' and obama himself can't stop you from running euclid. [16:48]
asciilifeform much as they might like to. [16:48]
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mircea_popescu actually, a fully-explicit "how to extract your rsa moduli as numbers, and how to test things" write-up may be a good use of someone's time. [16:48]
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asciilifeform it'll be a backbreaker on account of rolling in rfc2440 [16:48]
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asciilifeform but if we say 'use a tool' then 'pgpdump'. [16:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hence "may" [16:49]
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mircea_popescu mopre like a training exercise for younguns looking to get shellshocked by "free software" [16:49]
asciilifeform iirc no extant pgptron includes this functionality [16:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform tbh i find the "broken in transit" explanation offered by the back to sleep camp particularly ridiculous. [16:51]
mircea_popescu seriously, some bits got changed ? and what archive still extracted , no problem ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu no checksums even, no crypto, nothing at all ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu who is this supposed to persuade, exactly ? [16:52]
davout the real thing here would be to actually find a GPG implementation that does not run the check that leads normal ones to simply discard this key [16:53]
delan something fishy going on — [16:53]
delan probably getting nuked [16:54]
mircea_popescu davout how would you know it is even publicly accessible ? [16:54]
mircea_popescu maybe this is paort of a tandem with specific userland diddling. [16:54]
mircea_popescu which would neatly explain why it HAS TO stay on sks servers. [16:55]
mircea_popescu victim gets nsa-something or the other, gets the "key", etc. [16:55]
asciilifeform aha. [16:55]
asciilifeform the choice of victim is very telling [16:55]
mircea_popescu i meant the REAL victim. [16:55]
asciilifeform i should like to get a list of -everything- he 1) signed 2) public is running [16:55]
mircea_popescu some guy trying to do something or the other with softwasre. [16:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform debian. [16:55]
asciilifeform then we have our corpse. [16:55]
ben_vulpes conspiraci! [16:56]
mircea_popescu i am definitely suspicious of this entire tower of mirrors made of shit. [16:56]
mircea_popescu "oh, it's not really what it seems, fart fart" [16:56]
asciilifeform the buggers' only defence [16:56]
asciilifeform is the fart cloud. [16:56]
asciilifeform expect it to thicken, thicken. [16:57]
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mircea_popescu anyway, im not entirely sure we might ever see the diddled gpg that goes with this didlded key to produce anything interesting [16:57]
mircea_popescu but if we do see it, im definitely publishing the story. [16:57]
davout mircea_popescu: yup, not saying it's possible, saying that would be definitive proof [16:57]
mircea_popescu it would be, yes, if it were to somehow be found. [16:57]
asciilifeform actually the necessary diddle would be small: [16:58]
asciilifeform anything that doesn't check self-sigs. [16:58]
davout yep, not saying anything more [16:58]
asciilifeform probably includes at least one 'www-based' pgptron [16:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, i suspect it's more subtle than that. [16:58]
asciilifeform subtle bug triggered by really terrible keys? [16:58]
asciilifeform also possible [16:58]
mircea_popescu there's a long tradition of "must fail to pass" bullshit seen in the wild, and allegedly not originated by nsa [16:58]
asciilifeform perhaps even remote exec [16:58]
mircea_popescu for all you know this is the magic packet required to X. [16:59]
asciilifeform somebody wanna copy cryptome on this ? [16:59]
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mircea_popescu im letting things settle for a day and plan to write a follow-up. [17:00]
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asciilifeform speaking of which, mega-l0l (unrelated) - [17:00]
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asciilifeform 'This contains references to CB8890: The instructions for the safety and security of the Trident II D5 [17:00]
asciilifeform strategic weapon system. I'm sure all the Strategic Weapon System (SWS) personnel are scratching [17:00]
asciilifeform their heads and wondering how I'm writing this on my personnel laptop and referencing a book, [17:00]
asciilifeform which is contained within a safe in the Missile Control Centre (MCC). The MCC is the [17:00]
asciilifeform compartment used to control the launch of the nuclear missiles. It can only be accessed by people [17:00]
asciilifeform on the access list, and no personnel electronics are allowed. I was on the access list but how could I [17:01]
trinque asciilifeform: << nothing too crazy [17:01]
asciilifeform have gotten a copy of every single chapter on to my phone? A hidden camera? No. Smuggled the [17:01]
asciilifeform book out then filmed it? No. What I did was walk into a room were no recording devices are [17:01]
asciilifeform allowed. I sat down; took my Samsung Galaxy SII (white) out of my pocket, and recorded the entire [17:01]
asciilifeform book word for word. I held the phone still, about a foot in front of my face and anyone who looked [17:01]
asciilifeform at the screen or used common sense, would've seen I was recording. There were other SWS [17:01]
asciilifeform personnel in the room; in the video you can see a SWS JR about 3 feet in front of me talking to [17:01]
asciilifeform another SWS JR sitting right beside me.' [17:01]
mircea_popescu lol. [17:02]
mircea_popescu so do they actually work ? [17:02]
asciilifeform trinque: neat [17:02]
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asciilifeform trinque: consider contacting the maintainers [17:02]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no idea how genuine the text, but riotously funny [17:03]
trinque asciilifeform: yeah I'll bother the ebuild guy for this [17:03]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: << plain txt [17:06]
mircea_popescu trinque is this like the only bit of c code deployed without stdint ? i wonder if he had a reason [17:06]
asciilifeform ^^ recced to all. hilarious turd [17:07]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, i know of no better proof that the "atomic weapons not actually militarily useful" than this sort of perennial wank. [17:09]
trinque mircea_popescu: seems it might've worked against an older glibc [17:09]
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trinque which perhaps implicitly included that? [17:09]
trinque I know not. [17:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: << glorious fan mail [17:09]
trinque lol?! [17:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform useless without sender field ; uninteresting if it's anything but sam altman [17:11]
mircea_popescu i'd have added "or one of his harem slaves" but iirc he's a twink [17:11]
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mircea_popescu but since we're doing random anon lulz, [17:12]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: going by the style, it's our old phriend, mr spam [17:12]
asciilifeform post on updated to include tard.png [17:12]
trinque ye gods the autism [17:13]
ben_vulpes that's some top kek [17:13]
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asciilifeform throwaway [17:13]
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mircea_popescu how the system can’t pass tests to show it could’ve launched ha! [17:13]
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ben_vulpes gotta be ninjashogun [17:14]
asciilifeform the sheer mental breakage required to waste one's time so. [17:14]
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asciilifeform in other news, we got another. [17:15]
ben_vulpes "Not known to me -> No." << omg [17:15]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu you have mail. [17:17]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform << republished it jic [17:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this new one's a dev too. [17:20]
asciilifeform check him out [17:20]
mircea_popescu 9. for crying out loud, NOT EVEN SINGLE USE. [17:21]
asciilifeform well, 3 [17:21]
mircea_popescu this, if indeed reflective of an implementation error, shows an entirely different bug [17:21]
mircea_popescu you should check to make sure yo udon't use the same prime TWICE [17:21]
asciilifeform incidentally, this is consistent with 'cosmic rays' [17:21]
asciilifeform a number with flipped bit is likely to be divisible by smallint [17:21]
trinque lol, article's at #28 now with way more points than those above [17:22]
trinque there are older articles with fewer points above [17:22]
mircea_popescu doubleplusungood article! [17:25]
mircea_popescu what i don't get is, how exactly you reproduce this ? i can't seem to make sks server to accept extra, unsigned subkeys from anyone. [17:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this one's another 'invalid subkey...' [17:27]
mircea_popescu moreover, the way it presents the blob is as a single, shares pgp key blob [17:27]
mircea_popescu so can anyone get a key server, no matter which, to somehow swallow up an extra subkey for an existing key ? [17:27]
asciilifeform evidently [17:28]
mircea_popescu how ? [17:28]
asciilifeform the entire blob, notice, as per rfc2440/4880, is not in any way hashed [17:28]
mircea_popescu so ? [17:28]
asciilifeform the way you do it is 1) take existing 2) feed in place of old [17:28]
asciilifeform it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected. [17:28]
mircea_popescu i must be doing something wrong then [17:28]
trinque and articles are moving around it, yet it stays where it's pinned [17:31]
trinque #1 -> #20 -> #28 [17:31]
trinque hilarious [17:31]
mircea_popescu "We are at war, with a new kind of enemy. The terrorists have infiltrated every nation on our planet." tsk tsk now how would will mcneilly know this. [17:31]
mircea_popescu trinque it is pretty lulzy. [17:32]
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BingoBoingo What a fucking morning to sleep in !!! Digesting Convos around Phuctor's discovery and writing up some news. [17:33]
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asciilifeform [17:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lol you slept with lady luck eh ? [17:35]
asciilifeform l0l reddit broken [17:36]
mircea_popescu aww, links beleeted again ? [17:36]
asciilifeform nah just overload [17:36]
asciilifeform i expect it'll all be memory-holed shortly. [17:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, downside of sleeping in is I missed a timely annoucement of keys shattering. On the plus side Am I reading it right, that the pattern seems to be various sorts of strongset people have these weak keys, almost exclusively? [17:37]
asciilifeform after folks start going 'snore, it's just another gnu dev with b0rk3d key' [17:37]
mircea_popescu if anyone gives a shit at some point [17:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: a few folks appear to have bit-corrupted keys on sks [17:38]
trinque I'm about as amazed with how rapidly the various "news" sites can respond to this [17:38]
trinque by respond I mean bury [17:38]
asciilifeform (nothing, afaik, has been signed publicly with them) [17:38]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the official story seems to be that keys got accidentally. [17:38]
asciilifeform accidentally gnu devs aha [17:38]
BingoBoingo But this accidentally seems to mostly affect a certain kind of person [17:38]
mircea_popescu so far at least. [17:38]
mircea_popescu trinque within the hour. not so terribru. [17:39]
asciilifeform #2 is small change [17:39]
asciilifeform (though he programs) [17:39]
asciilifeform #1 and #3 - not so much [17:39]
asciilifeform their factor-counterparts, i do not yet know [17:40]
asciilifeform but of them, there are also 3. [17:40]
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mircea_popescu the only thing certain at this point being - that phuctor was definitely worth doing. [17:41]
asciilifeform [17:41]
asciilifeform ^ more from the psych ward [17:41]
asciilifeform who's got the 'thorazine' [17:41]
mircea_popescu and perhaps also [17:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform reading that thread past this point is for the intel dept / specialists. [17:42]
asciilifeform for the psychiatrists. [17:42]
asciilifeform imho ninjasp4mz0r could benefit from some psych care [17:42]
mircea_popescu "It's harder to get into most nightclubs than it is to get into the Green Area." lulz. [17:42]
trinque hahahahaha [17:43]
trinque oh man [17:43]
trinque it went to #31 [17:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suppose the "i am using a new id because i am affraid of consequences" is a stirctly speaking correct restatement of "i am not using my old ids because i keep making a fool of myself" [17:43]
trinque which is the first of the next page [17:44]
trinque this is rich [17:44]
asciilifeform so far no one has volunteered a sample of material signed with any of these keys. [17:44]
mircea_popescu yeah that'd be good. [17:44]
asciilifeform though, at this point, anyone - incl. a stray dog - could produce some [17:44]
asciilifeform (we did factor them after all...) [17:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform with one. not with the other two. [17:44]
asciilifeform eh the enemy can be presumed to have real-time access to the output [17:45]
asciilifeform if the box had been stolen for the purpose of planting a bug [17:45]
mircea_popescu i r has my doubts but anyway [17:45]
asciilifeform (or, more likely, rerouting permanently through his) [17:45]
mircea_popescu dja want a diff box ? [17:46]
asciilifeform nah, basic problem remains [17:46]
asciilifeform any box you or i didn't plant key on by hand, and retain continuous access to, can be presumed to have been raped [17:47]
mircea_popescu yeah well. it is after all teh internet. [17:47]
asciilifeform (depending on whether it was appetizing. which phuctor, now, is.) [17:47]
asciilifeform the best thing is to have this kind of thing going in some distributed fashion [17:48]
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asciilifeform any student could build 'phuctor' [17:48]
asciilifeform (distributed not in the 'faster' sense - it cannot be - but the 'remove single juicy target' sense) [17:48]
asciilifeform oughta be part of ordinary keyserv practice. [17:48]
mircea_popescu people dun wanna werk tho. [17:48]
mircea_popescu people wanna sperg all day on "social media" and "attract investors". [17:49]
asciilifeform those aren't people. [17:49]
trinque seems this is actually glibc fuckery re: dieharder [17:49]
asciilifeform trinque: ?? [17:49]
mircea_popescu Zoe Quinn is the role model, dumbass made a "game" that wouldn't have passed muster in the early sierra adventure games [17:49]
trinque asciilifeform: unistd.h uses intptr_t within, yet does not include stdint.h [17:50]
asciilifeform trinque: i've run into this kind of thing on several occasions. [17:51]
asciilifeform not yet sure what to make of it. [17:51]
trinque "whatever used this also had an include for stdint.h so who cares" ? [17:51]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform,-nobody-has-factored-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html if you care. [17:52]
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trinque "I assume they are produced by network errors, harddisk failures or software bugs. It may also be that someone just created them in some experiment." [17:54]
trinque ahahaha [17:54]
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mircea_popescu trinque imagine if "network errors, harddisk failures" worked this way. [17:55]
mircea_popescu it'd stop warez dead in its tracks, seeing how you couldn't watch any movie or anything. [17:55]
mircea_popescu but yes, software bugs. now that we got to software bugs... [17:56]
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mircea_popescu the instructor said don't touch anything. A crew member responded by saying “it doesn't matter none of it works anyway, you can touch what you want.” [18:00]
mircea_popescu bwahgaha [18:00]
danielpbarron >> There is a service called Phunctor where you can upload a key and it'll check it against a set of known vulnerable moduli. [18:01]
trinque now #93 lol [18:04]
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trinque criminals everywhere. [18:04]
mircea_popescu i updated the article to lulz a little at the ydumbinator crew [18:05]
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trinque [18:07]
trinque guy sends me to go bother whoever can fix glibc [18:07]
trinque and I will, if only as an exercise in whether it's actually possible to get something fixed in glibc [18:08]
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ben_vulpes "Someone handed you an ebuild, and you don't know what to do with it? Fear not, for here be instructions!" << docs with a dash of humor [18:12]
cazalla <<< i'll defer to BingoBoingo for this story, i sorta grasp the situation but not really enough to do a story justice [18:14]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 16:10:13; mircea_popescu: achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa. [18:14]
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prx thx mircea_popescu [18:14]
mircea_popescu trinque we were looking for someone to fix glibc earlier too [18:14]
mircea_popescu for the libnss debacle. [18:15]
mircea_popescu there is theoretical support, but in practice the lists seem dead and i have nfi who can even undertake that beast of a task [18:15]
prx just wanted to see myself what's up here with those insane broken keys [18:15]
mircea_popescu prx log's in the topic. [18:15]
prx mircea_popescu: yep, thx. I'll stay here forlivestuff, if that's fine with you guys [18:16]
trinque [18:16]
trinque tragedy of the commons; everyone fucks glibc and no one pays her medical bills [18:17]
mircea_popescu prx sure [18:17]
mircea_popescu < if this were the case i should also be able to replace your key with mine. doesn't seem that works tho [18:17]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 20:24:41; asciilifeform: it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected. [18:17]
mircea_popescu prx are you getting flooded btw ? some people complaied. [18:18]
prx mircea_popescu: Not yet, will yell if it pops up. [18:19]
mircea_popescu been some internet tough guy months ago "destroying us" by flooding noobs, but i had thought he gave up meanwhile. [18:19]
prx So you're on someones hatelist :) [18:20]
mircea_popescu ah, plenty of people. [18:20]
ben_vulpes the more the merrier... [18:21]
prx Having the right enemies might be more interesting than having the wrong friends [18:21]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema sec waxman [18:22]
gribble Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; The SEC asked this Romanian Bitcoin CEO for private data to probe ...: ; MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges ...: (1 more message) [18:22]
mircea_popescu can start there lawls. [18:22]
mircea_popescu << amusingly enough, that 0.02 is obviously the house. nobody took the opposing side. [18:24]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 14:42:17; mats: i loled. 1.08btc on 0.02btc [18:24]
asciilifeform omfg the idiocy. [18:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: let's post all 3 [18:24]
asciilifeform so we can put the 'cosmic rays' folks to rest. [18:24]
mircea_popescu the wicked may never rest. [18:26]
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mircea_popescu win ? [18:30]
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alphonse23_ thanks [18:30]
mircea_popescu aha. who're you ? [18:31]
alphonse23_ I came because of the 4096-rsa article [18:31]
mircea_popescu aite. [18:32]
alphonse23_ mostly curious why HN would care to hide the story? [18:32]
alphonse23_ but from the article it was reported here. [18:32]
davout re the bitbet, this guy had it: "So I can still drop bad keys on purpose? Or key had to be added before announcing this bet?" [18:32]
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trinque alphonse23_: interesting, eh? it plummeted from #1 very strangely [18:33]
mircea_popescu graham, altman &co are butthurt because we regularly mock their "venture capitalism" ? i dunno [18:33]
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alphonse23_ HN has changed a lot in the pass few months [18:33]
alphonse23_ it's a lot more heavily moderated [18:33]
alphonse23_ i've been going there daily for years, and I've noticed the change [18:33]
mircea_popescu davout that bet promises to be a conundrum to resolve. [18:33]
davout no shit [18:33]
alphonse23_ but this, the mod manipulating titles -- for whatever reason. There's ton of down voting too. [18:34]
alphonse23_ it's like, their in league with the NSA now or something... [18:34]
mircea_popescu eh, their site, they can do whatever they please. [18:35]
mircea_popescu i don't personally use it. [18:35]
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davout the bet was misworded from the beginning, had someone intentionally created a set of shitty keys and fed the to the phuctor, it would resolve as yes [18:35]
davout the title diddling on HN is documented in the comments actually [18:35]
mircea_popescu the conundrum is more along the lines of "what constitutes a key" [18:35]
mircea_popescu alphonse23_ anyway, the mistake here is for members of the public naive enough to imagine conde nast / ycombinator / etc sites represent anything but the alt-reality their owners have a financial interest in. [18:36]
davout that's the easy part i think "anything recognized as such by asset's favorite gnupg version" [18:36]
trinque this guy's making me write a test program to fix an include in glibc [18:36]
mircea_popescu they will farm said naive members of the public for free content, yes. [18:36]
trinque lol [18:36]
mircea_popescu but that's as far as it goes. [18:36]
trinque it's plainly visible looking at the header itself [18:37]
mircea_popescu davout then i suppose it's not broken yet ? [18:37]
davout mircea_popescu: well, if i craft a key whose factors are 1 and 3, theoretically it's a valid gpg key [18:37]
davout if i then submit a key whose factors are 3 and 5 [18:38]
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davout phuxxored they are, to yes the bet should resolve [18:38]
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mircea_popescu davout yes, had you done it afore the bet i guess. [18:38]
alphonse23_ mircea_popescu: but to do it so openly, how does that not hurt them. [18:38]
davout mircea_popescu: right, the bet does specify the number of moduli to test [18:38]
joshbuddy hiya, just hanging out after reading the hilarious rsa key blog post by .. umm you [18:39]
mircea_popescu alphonse23_ whom has heardbleed hurt ? [18:39]
alphonse23_ so where the hell do I get my tech news from. Reddit? they Y combinator owns them too. [18:39]
mircea_popescu joshbuddy enjoy. [18:39]
mircea_popescu alphonse23_ once gossipd is done, i guess there. [18:39]
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alphonse23_ "MQTT broker in golang" first time hearing about it [18:40]
mircea_popescu !s gossipd [18:41]
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mircea_popescu alphonse23_ an ad-interim solution is of course variety. there's qntra doing bitcoin news. there's 8chan doing all sorts of things. [18:42]
mircea_popescu the man of one book, like the man of one site, is never too close to truth [18:42]
mircea_popescu << seeing how the factors so far have been 3, 7 and 11... i imagine all the truely bad keys will be in one of those (possibly most/all of those) groups [18:44]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 15:59:46; adlai: jurov: yes, at least two keys need to have a primer in common. had phuctor run over the keys in reverse order, it would've found the other chump first [18:44]
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alphonse23_ sure. it just a shame. hacker news was a real gem back in the day. I'm sure it's inevitable, as things become more mainstream, they get too political, and less honest. Now I have to go out a find good honest news from somewhere underground. [18:44]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] lords of cascadia - [18:45]
ben_vulpes september forever [18:45]
mircea_popescu just the way that goes. [18:45]
ben_vulpes I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << i'm on this minimal time workout kick lately [18:47]
ben_vulpes put 20lbs of bricks in backpack, bike to 'mountain', park bike at base of tabor (, brick up stairs twice, roll back to office [18:48]
ben_vulpes got it down to 35 minutes. [18:48]
mircea_popescu sounds like you're a pashtun training for marriage [18:48]
mircea_popescu (the kidnapping 13 yo bride part) [18:48]
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ben_vulpes i thought that was a family activity [18:50]
ben_vulpes (because malnutrition?) [18:51]
ben_vulpes << why does this need to be its own distro? [18:51]
mircea_popescu other than because some she-geeks are cute and people try to hit on them with "hy babyy i r maek distro" ? [18:51]
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ben_vulpes DreadKnight: how's the game coming? [18:56]
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trinque << specific incantation that breaks the glibc headers [19:05]
ben_vulpes i'm getting the impression with gentoo that i should copy the dieharder source into mydiehardfork overlay and then emerge mydiehard fork - how wrong is this? [19:08]
trinque ben_vulpes: probably faster than waiting for a glibc fix :^) [19:08]
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ben_vulpes lol yeah that's indeed the conclusion i came to [19:08]
trinque yeah that's right, put your own hand-carved ebuilds in your local overlay [19:08]
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jurov jus' looking on code path that produces the "invalid subkey binding" message, found this: [19:19]
jurov;a=blob;f=g10/sig-check.c;h=fc5e1fa41ac6d4414bbc2ffa3ffc695b02d70749;hb=be136273454532d94a955fbbcfa1544b47cad954#l609 [19:19]
jurov /* does this make sense????? */ [19:19]
jurov not implying anything, only found the commnt lulzy [19:20]
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mircea_popescu looking in there is the right thing jurov so props. [19:22]
mircea_popescu < i think this guy was here earlier ? [19:22]
mircea_popescu "Proudly made without PHP, Java, Perl, MySQL and Postgres" [19:23]
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ben_vulpes confirmed for being in over my head with overlays [19:23]
mircea_popescu also Heilige Scheiße has a nice ring to it. [19:23]
ben_vulpes so is qntra not writing up the gpbacle? [19:31]
mircea_popescu iirc BingoBoingo is working in it [19:32]
mircea_popescu copypaste any idea why yields a 404 when one clicks reply ? [19:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Because Phuctor shows me an Internal Server Error when I try to test a key." [19:34]
ben_vulpes !up DreadKnight [19:36]
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ben_vulpes there ya go [19:36]
DreadKnight yey, cheers [19:36]
DreadKnight usually too lazy to do the whole thing manually [19:36]
DreadKnight regarding the game, polishing documentation and preparing some a crowd funding [19:37]
DreadKnight if I secure a bit of cash, things will run smoothly [19:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform << check it out, people were doing lectures at stanford about phuctor, omitting to mention phuctor. [19:37]
mircea_popescu i'm looking forward to all the gavin lectures about the perils of larger blocksizes. also at stanford. [19:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00028352 = 1.5027 BTC [+] [19:39]
mircea_popescu pushed by someone with... a account. [19:39]
mircea_popescu because ofcourse. [19:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00028602 = 11.4122 BTC [+] [19:40]
mircea_popescu << there's even a chump wot and everything [19:40]
mircea_popescu no doubt, ALSO lectured about at stanford. [19:40]
mircea_popescu also made in march [19:40]
mircea_popescu also etc etc etc. [19:40]
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ben_vulpes DreadKnight: whaddaya need the funding for? i thought you wrote the thing yourself. [19:44]
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trinque ben_vulpes: pssh, those sweet office chairs with 5-way lumbar support for one [19:45]
Humean woah neat i feel special [19:45]
Humean thanks assbot [19:46]
ben_vulpes trinque: keep laughing, you'll be renting a desk soon [19:46]
trinque ben_vulpes: oh don't misunderstand, I am a big fan of the 5-way lumbar support [19:46]
ben_vulpes we rearranged the deck chairs last week, place feels almost like humans and not nerds [19:46]
trinque fancy [19:46]
trinque and I hear there's not one cat on the premises [19:47]
ben_vulpes NO FUCKING CATS. [19:47]
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mircea_popescu aite ima be out for a while. laters. [19:49]
mats [19:50]
evhan ty ben_vulpes [19:50]
ben_vulpes what brings you by, evhan? [19:50]
evhan Mention on loper-os, swung by out of curiosity. [19:52]
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DreadKnight ben_vulpes, didn't coded the gameplay, it's a bit above my skill level; anyway, even if I did 100% of the thing, would still need funding [19:52]
ben_vulpes serenissima runs on slave labor [19:53]
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DreadKnight the republic of Venice? [19:54]
DreadKnight the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD [19:55]
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ben_vulpes that last 10% is more expensive than anyone ever expects [19:58]
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DreadKnight there's sure something strange going on when it comes to the last few steps [20:01]
ben_vulpes why would people work on it for free? [20:01]
DreadKnight we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps [20:02]
DreadKnight well, there are quite a few reasons, crediting (name/link), experience, the joy of contributing to something bigger just to name a few [20:03]
DreadKnight the other day found out that a cg animation series done in blender by just one dude used quite a few of the creatures from my project :) [20:04]
ben_vulpes heh [20:04]
decimation there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a [20:04]
DreadKnight the project itself is free, so this stuff is allowed provided crediting is done [20:05]
decimation that hboeck link is top on hn now [20:05]
trinque decimation: fancy that eh? [20:05]
ben_vulpes DreadKnight: i thought the thing was supposed to make money? [20:06]
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trinque decimation: got there quick too [20:06]
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ben_vulpes lol [20:07]
DreadKnight xD [20:07]
DreadKnight even if something is free, it can still make money [20:08]
decimation I thought ninjashogun was one of the h-n mods? [20:08]
DreadKnight gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft [20:08]
ben_vulpes decimation: in his dreams [20:08]
ben_vulpes DreadKnight: every single one of those companies pays their employees. [20:10]
ben_vulpes people working for a link or publicity need to have some sort of assurance that their time so spent is going to yield a return. [20:10]
ben_vulpes (i mean, everyone does, right? for every thing that we do.) [20:10]
trinque DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs [20:11]
DreadKnight ben_vulpes, a return is not always needed, some people do things for passion or practice; there are quite a few nice free open source games out there and software, most likely the browser you are making is done half by unpaid contributors [20:12]
DreadKnight trinque, the ad crap is my last option [20:12]
ben_vulpes i'm just trying to point out why you're having problems retaining horsepower is all [20:13]
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ben_vulpes just because she doesn't care about her boyfriend around that other guy doesn't mean diddly when it comes to your desire to get up her skirt [20:14]
DreadKnight ben_vulpes, yeah, I'm aware, that's why it's perfectly fine to pay people to work on open source and it's why I need some funding or get better at coding [20:14]
DreadKnight anyway, I partnered up with a coder this year, will see how that goes in the long run [20:15]
williamdunne >Forget MPEX. The best/most reliable stock exchange is, by far, BTCT.CO. [20:15]
ben_vulpes !up pete_dushenski [20:15]
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ben_vulpes good afternoon, pete [20:15]
pete_dushenski afternoon ben_vulpes ! [20:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00028602 = 15.0017 BTC [+] [20:16]
ben_vulpes following the key drama? [20:16]
pete_dushenski and a big pacific howdy from the coast ! [20:16]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes indeed. just catching up on it. [20:17]
decimation pete_dushenski: where are you at? vancouver? [20:17]
pete_dushenski i tested and re-tested my key a *few* times already [20:17]
pete_dushenski decimation even better : victoria [20:17]
ben_vulpes ah vbc is byootiful [20:17]
ben_vulpes ferry's fucking expensive, though. [20:17]
decimation yeah I've been through there, I wouldn't mind going back [20:17]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes ya not cheap eh [20:18]
ben_vulpes well, en velo... [20:18]
ben_vulpes on? [20:18]
ben_vulpes how would i say "on bike" in french? [20:18]
pete_dushenski decimation it's quite the place. not quite summer here yet tho. still only 16-18C during the day. [20:18]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes sur velo ? [20:18]
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pete_dushenski no, par velo [20:19]
pete_dushenski "by bike" [20:19]
ben_vulpes davout: [20:19]
pete_dushenski "sur" is too literal of a translation from english, "par bicyclete" even. [20:19]
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decimation I don't think it ever gets too hot there? [20:20]
decimation the pacific moderates [20:21]
mxtm pete_dushenski: spanish uses en for "by" in cases of transportation [20:21]
mxtm which translates "in/on" [20:21]
mxtm fwiw [20:21]
decimation < heh the hboeck guy admits he doesn't really know of which he speaks [20:21]
pete_dushenski en carro, sure. [20:21]
mxtm en bici, etcétera [20:21]
pete_dushenski mxtm aha. sounds like anglocization but what do i know. [20:22]
mxtm i dunno either [20:22]
pete_dushenski decimation who's the hboeck guy again ? [20:23]
* pete_dushenski checks logs. [20:24]
trinque pete_dushenski: the guy who ended up top comment on the HN post [20:25]
trinque [20:25]
pete_dushenski ahaha mr. "i'm almost certain" [20:25]
williamdunne I'm pretty sure the internet was invented for two purposes, selling drugs and pretending to know stuff you don't [20:28]
williamdunne Anything outside of that is just abusing the tech [20:28]
decimation asciilifeform: < lol you butthurt the mr. spam mod [20:31]
pete_dushenski williamdunne except... the internet sucks for drugs. mp has an ancient essay on the matter. [20:31]
decimation pete_dushenski: mircea's 'story' on hacker news was quickly demoted to well below visibile for most folks [20:31]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: Wasn't the first transaction ever completed on the internet the purchase of weed? [20:32]
decimation meanwhile this guy (hboeck) has a post that pretty much says "nothing to worry about", and is promoted to #1 [20:32]
pete_dushenski williamdunne [20:32]
pete_dushenski decimation lulzy. [20:32]
pete_dushenski williamdunne the first transaction was knowledge, no ? [20:33]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: Trade then [20:38]
williamdunne Okay [20:38]
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williamdunne Read the article, and I still don't see how that makes it bad for the last mile [20:38]
williamdunne Obviously 10 tonnes of cocaine isn't going to be carried by FedEx [20:39]
ben_vulpes for one, fedex doesn't hire its submersibles out yet [20:39]
ben_vulpes people aren't even supposed to know those exist [20:40]
pete_dushenski williamdunne i really have nfi what the first trade was. if you say it's weed, we'll go with that, but that doesn't mean that first=best [20:43]
williamdunne Very trye [20:44]
williamdunne *true [20:44]
williamdunne ben_vulpes: Family friend is working on something kinda cool for the other side [20:44]
williamdunne Well, owns the company doing it [20:44]
ben_vulpes what does "kinda cool" mean [20:44]
ben_vulpes last mile delivery? [20:45]
williamdunne Its a line of speedboats that can go underwater on command without any real preparation to collect drugs dropped from boats [20:45]
williamdunne For the coast guard to stop drug smugglers [20:45]
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williamdunne Disagree with the cause, but pretty cool project IMIO [20:45]
ben_vulpes excellent bezzletron [20:45]
ben_vulpes won't work, wrong target etc [20:46]
ben_vulpes but if they're draining derpbuxx from the beast more power to 'em [20:46]
williamdunne Government contracts don't need to work [20:46]
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ben_vulpes and moreover cannot actually. [20:46]
ben_vulpes !up pete_dushenski [20:46]
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pete_dushenski cheers ben_vulpes [20:47]
ben_vulpes ;;$(sleep 3600 && echo "!up pete_dushenski") [20:47]
gribble Error: "$(sleep" is not a valid command. [20:47]
pete_dushenski you tried ! [20:48]
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ben_vulpes > gribble is not a tty. falling back to telnet. [20:48]
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jurov *gribble on fire [20:58]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes thx! [20:59]
ben_vulpes de rien [20:59]
pete_dushenski fuckin pawn brokers in this town i tell ya [21:00]
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ben_vulpes ? [21:00]
pete_dushenski you'd swear they were trying to keep their inventory for their grandchildren [21:00]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] how to process bitcoin transactions for your webapp (or: the ghetto watch-only-wallet) - [21:00]
pete_dushenski so i walk into a shop on the edge of chinatown and find a beautiful mid-century modern walnut table [21:01]
pete_dushenski complete with two leaf inserts. perfect height (tall), in good condition, only $270 ! [21:01]
pete_dushenski so i want to ship it home, naturally. [21:02]
pete_dushenski no can do, they tell me. [21:02]
pete_dushenski all they have are cardboard boxes, no freight boxes, no shipping relationships in place, no arrangements can be made. [21:02]
pete_dushenski honestly, there are thousands of cruise ship tourist visiting victoria daily, and these assderps haven't figured out shipping a box 1,000km IN THE SAME COUNTRY [21:03]
pete_dushenski no customs, no duty, nothing complicated. [21:03]
pete_dushenski just basic frieght is too complicated for these people. [21:04]
pete_dushenski completely nuts. [21:04]
ben_vulpes call dhl breh [21:04]
chetty search for 4096 [21:05]
chetty the replacement story is already up hehe [21:05]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes i've used fedex freight before, they'll come pick up the package from wherever and deliver it wherever. [21:06]
pete_dushenski but box it up for you ? i'd be surprised. [21:06]
ben_vulpes your privilege is dripping on the floor [21:07]
pete_dushenski wtf my privilege nothing. i'm getting on a plane tmrw morning and it's not so much to ask to have a seller of goods to crate a fucking table for transport. [21:10]
ben_vulpes heh [21:10]
pete_dushenski or w/e, mebbe my privilege knows no bounds. hey, i'm not the one losing business. [21:10]
ben_vulpes win some lose some [21:11]
pete_dushenski ya, tis just a table. [21:11]
pete_dushenski i didn't want one that bad when i woke up, just saw the right one at the right price and wanted it. [21:12]
pete_dushenski ah well. [21:12]
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ben_vulpes mwell i'm off for a spell [21:18]
ben_vulpes trying out a new fried chicken joint [21:18]
decimation pete_dushenski: surprising. I thought those kinds of tourist shops specialized in shipping [21:24]
pete_dushenski decimation seriously. you'd think so, but you'd think wrong. [21:25]
pete_dushenski i guess there's enough local demand in this retirement town that they don't have to try. [21:25]
pete_dushenski very nice, seemingly helpful staff, entirely inept. [21:25]
pete_dushenski << these guys. [21:26]
pete_dushenski "We have been in business for nearly 26 years and hold a full pawnbroking license to buy, sell and loan." << no mention of shipping eh... [21:27]
decimation fun fact: there's a part of vancouver, bc that is us territory (point roberts) [21:28]
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decimation also, victoria is well south of the canada-us border [21:30]
danielpbarron !up pete_dushenski [21:32]
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pete_dushenski danielpbarron ty! [21:32]
pete_dushenski decimation that it is. though victoria feels like a million miles away from us-istan. [21:33]
decimation heh. I guess I can see why a pawn shop wouldn't bother with shipping [21:34]
pete_dushenski decimation why's that ? [21:35]
decimation I suppose they figure enough derps would come and go on foot [21:35]
decimation but I imagine that they could sell on the internet for $$ [21:35]
decimation their website is unwhelming [21:36]
pete_dushenski these guys obviously fail at the internet. [21:37]
pete_dushenski so shooting themselves in the foot is par for the course, i guess. [21:37]
decimation pete_dushenski: are you planing on visiting any other outlying islands or the rest of bc from there? [21:38]
pete_dushenski not this time 'round. [21:38]
pete_dushenski i've seen most of bc previously, just hadn't been to vic in a while. [21:39]
pete_dushenski i went to summer camp nearby in my youth [21:39]
pete_dushenski << this one. [21:40]
pete_dushenski sacha baron cohen went to another camp in the same organisation ;) [21:41]
decimation heh did they teach hebrew? [21:41]
pete_dushenski more socialism. [21:41]
pete_dushenski seriously, the shit in my veins ! [21:42]
pete_dushenski "solidarity forever", "ticky tacky houses", etc. [21:42]
decimation I got screwed of out learn german from my german heritage too [21:42]
pete_dushenski ya, i didn't get german or romanian somehow. [21:43]
pete_dushenski this camp though had *daily* chores for like 2.5 hours. [21:43]
pete_dushenski camp, where you do chores, imagine. [21:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00028607 = 3.3041 BTC [+] {2} [21:43]
pete_dushenski some kids helped in teh kitchen, some cleaning garbage. [21:44]
decimation like, sweeping the forest? [21:44]
decimation sounds like a good way to save on staff costs [21:44]
pete_dushenski i wrote for the newspaper, wrote mad magazine-esque fake nooz [21:45]
pete_dushenski decimation no doubt. it wasn't *that* expensive, at least compared to the bbyo summer camps. [21:46]
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mats ever cut grass with a pair of scissors? [21:47]
pete_dushenski mats haha omg no. why ? have you ? [21:47]
mats yeah. as punishment. [21:48]
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pete_dushenski parents ? [21:48]
mats [21:48]
pete_dushenski you call that grass ? i trim more manbush than that on a monthly basis. [21:49]
mats builds character (tm) [21:49]
cazalla <<< heh we had this even here but i'd walk off with the group which cleaned dishes the night before, never washed as much as a plate [21:50]
assbot Logged on 18-05-2015 00:39:54; pete_dushenski: some kids helped in teh kitchen, some cleaning garbage. [21:50]
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mats i spent the whole day (0900-1600) with some other trainees cutting grass at battalion hq because one of the nubs in my squad saved his granola bar from the mess hall and put it in his locker where it was discovered [21:52]
cazalla <<< did this one countless times, not as punishment though, old man forced me to do it along the fenceline so he didn't have to whippersnip it [21:52]
assbot Logged on 18-05-2015 00:43:05; mats: ever cut grass with a pair of scissors? [21:52]
mats << basically this. [21:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27523 @ 0.00028624 = 7.8782 BTC [+] [21:54]
mats i drank something like 6-7 litres of water that day... missouri is hot as fuck during the summer [21:54]
mats cazalla: how much fence? several km? [21:55]
cazalla 1/4 acre block [21:55]
cazalla wasn't just me though, he had my mother out there doing the same thing [21:56]
danielpbarron !up referredbyloper [21:57]
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mats ah [22:00]
mats in other news, the new Mad Max picture is quite good [22:01]
pete_dushenski that's a bit of a surprise. [22:02]
mats << surprised metacritic treats it so well [22:02]
mats (they tend to shit on everything) [22:02]
cazalla aussie football ceremony lol [22:02]
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decimation mats [22:03]
danielpbarron !up pete_dushenski [22:03]
mats decimation: i'm just happy to find a fun action movie that passes the Bechdel test [22:05]
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pete_dushenski heh. [22:06]
pete_dushenski [22:07]
decimation well, then sjw is where it's at [22:08]
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justJanne Nah, I was just reading on the RSA factorization article where someone claimed this channel would still DDoS everyone who joins. Sadly I can’t see any of that (was hoping to see if it actually is true xD) [22:19]
danielpbarron it comes and goes [22:20]
justJanne I mean, I see some traffic, but it’s minimal. [22:20]
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BingoBoingo justJanne: It isn't anything done by any of the channel regulars. It's just some butthurt dickbag with an excess of unwarranted self importance who imagines they are saving the world by DoSing every ip they spot here [22:21]
justJanne Reminds me of that guy spamming a gaming channel with links to their DDoSing company [22:22]
danielpbarron i heard that it just targets the user who most recently joined, and especially if it is a new hostmask [22:22]
BingoBoingo justJanne: Well the person doing it at first called themselves the reddit police and started by DoS'ing sites affiliated with regulars here. Then the sites beefed up and weren't so easy to DoS. So now they's had to settle for messing with home internet connections. [22:24]
justJanne I got some traffic on my system from accessing my server via HTTPS and sending a few thousand GET requests, but nothing really devastating [22:24]
williamdunne lol what a tool [22:24]
justJanne (I have a bouncer on my server with 1Gbps connection, so I rarely notice DDoS at all) [22:24]
mats he's doing us a favor. [22:25]
BingoBoingo People examining the traffic spotted that most of the zombies were ntp reflection and stuff anyone could walk away with, and they likely did leaving less to hit here with. [22:25]
mats if you read this -- please stop by for another friendly conversation [22:25]
justJanne I have null-routed NTP and everything anyway [22:26]
justJanne So, they really DDoS random people? [22:27]
justJanne or, rather DoS [22:27]
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BingoBoingo justJanne: Yeah, just anyone without a freenode cloak who joins when their spybot is online here to pull the trigger [22:30]
justJanne BingoBoingo: tell me when the bot is online, I’d like to analyze the traffic xD [22:31]
adlai is it an altcoin? is it a bubble? no, it's driveby moderation: [22:31]
BingoBoingo justJanne: I dunno what nick it uses. Never much cared to try identifying it. [22:32]
adlai (cf ) [22:32]
justJanne BingoBoingo: It should be easy to find. [22:32]
danielpbarron !s fivezerotwo [22:34]
assbot 204 results for 'fivezerotwo' : [22:34]
danielpbarron justJanne, ^ for you [22:34]
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danielpbarron !s from:fuddos [22:37]
assbot 7 results for 'from:fuddos' : [22:37]
justJanne Sometimes when I get DDoSd I run nmap against the attacking servers, one time I found a small IRC server with only one channel, in which were 256 clients all with just a number as name, and one other client sending specific commands every few minutes [22:39]
justJanne kinda interesting. [22:39]
danielpbarron justJanne, [22:40]
assbot Logged on 08-12-2014 17:59:30; asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone bothered to read the packet dump i posted a while ago, they should know that the ddos bot uses misconfigured consumer routers (upnp reflection) [22:40]
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danielpbarron and this [22:42]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2015 01:32:50; asciilifeform: svetlana: i got a massive packet dump, and so has kakobrekla [22:42]
trinque,9561606,9561693,9561599,9561920,9560426,9560904,9560790,9561920/ [22:42]
trinque check out that precipitous drop [22:42]
trinque and the abrupt rise of the rebuttal [22:42]
trinque it'll be interesting to see how much longer that stays at #1 [22:44]
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williamdunne justJanne: Thats an IRC botnet [22:47]
williamdunne Pretty oldschool method [22:48]
justJanne assumed as much, but I have no experience with them yet, and was surprised seeing one in the wild [22:48]
* adlai wonders whether any of the strongset edges point to the diddle [22:48]
williamdunne Guessing for some reason they thought it would be a swell idea to use the IRC server for additional DDoS power? [22:48]
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williamdunne !up justjanne [22:50]
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justJanne but yeah, I was kinda surprised, would have assumed they’d put the control for the botnet on a different system [22:51]
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justJanne at least so that one doesn’t discover their botnet that easily [22:51]
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oglafbot [22:52]
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justJanne anyway, let’s wait for that DDoS-bot ;P [22:53]
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danielpbarron justJanne, while you're waiting, read this: [22:57]
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justJanne danielpbarron: looking into it, but just found out my last GPG key’s validity ends this month [23:04]
decimation justJanne: no problem, make a new subkey or extend the date [23:09]
decimation justJanne: Someone compiled a list of ips that originate dos'er [23:09]
justJanne Meh, too lazy to copy it from my other PC, I’ll just make a new one and sign it with my old key later [23:10]
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decimation you can see the logs at [23:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31396 @ 0.00028687 = 9.0066 BTC [+] {4} [23:20]
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mircea_popescu lol janne 18yo female ? srsly ? [23:33]
mircea_popescu !up justJanne [23:35]
-assbot- You voiced justJanne for 30 minutes. [23:35]
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justJanne Yes, why? [23:35]
mircea_popescu these guys keep saying it's forbidden on irc. [23:35]
justJanne oh, btw, need to update that. [23:36]
williamdunne Hmm wonder whos younger out of me and Janne [23:36]
justJanne sorry, forgot to update it -.- [23:36]
justJanne am 19 [23:36]
mircea_popescu that totally kills the whole thing. i bet you're not even from cali. [23:36]
justJanne nah, northern Germany [23:37]
mircea_popescu scam. [23:37]
justJanne just another compsci student [23:37]
mircea_popescu anyway, get in the wot, then you can voice. [23:37]
mircea_popescu << lol check it out, ~they~ are going to ~lend me~ credence. i've been visited by backwards world wtf is with today. [23:38]
justJanne I am registered with assbot, but no one levelled me up yet ;P [23:38]
cazalla 14/f/cali oldest fbi trick in the book [23:38]
williamdunne You need a lord to do that [23:38]
mircea_popescu !rate justJanne 1 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker posing as 19 yo girl on the interwebs. [23:39]
justJanne Nooo [23:39]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [23:39]
justJanne If you want, you can mail me on my student mail, I’m real >_> [23:39]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.justJanne.1:44086df839c6a505edd1681e3dff4c96ffd5990b1c9abddd93c99f55a195008c [23:39]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for justJanne with note: 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker posing as 19 yo girl on the interwebs. [23:39]
mircea_popescu justJanne well on the plus side now you can voice. [23:39]
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williamdunne justJanne: I'm pretty sure a 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker would have the connections to get one of those there fancy emails [23:40]
decimation koennen Sie ein bisschen Deutsch schreiben? [23:41]
justJanne ja, wieso? [23:41]
adlai !t m s.mpoe [23:42]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00026733 / 0.00027828 / 0.00028748 (2307220 shares, 642.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00023904 / 0.00026467 / 0.00029014 (38353417 shares, 10,151.15 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026548 / 0.00033918 (109094749 shares, 28,962.95 BTC) [23:42]
decimation bitte schreiben Sie eine Kurzbiographie? [23:42]
adlai is the middle number vwap? [23:42]
williamdunne ich habe eine gross hose schlange is about all I remember from three years of German lessons [23:42]
williamdunne And ich bin zwolf jahre alt [23:43]
williamdunne But I couldn't update that to my current age [23:43]
justJanne Die wird aber ganz kurz ausfallen müssen ;P Ist auch nicht viel zu sagen – Geboren in then 90ern, ganz normal Grundschule, bin mit 8 ins Hochbegabtenförderungsprogramm gekommen, hab neben der Schule interessantes Zeug gelernt, dann Gymnasium, hab mit 16 neben der Schule angefangen zu studieren, und hab mit 18 Abitur mit 2,2 gemacht. Bin seit letztem Herbst Vollstudentin ;) [23:44]
decimation ^ sufficiently idomatic to pass the google translate test [23:44]
justJanne you could have just looked at my hostname ;P [23:45]
decimation justJanne: given your interest in this gpg episode, there is something that you could assist with [23:45]
decimation can you identify the supposed "german email program" that was supposedly the source of these weak keys? [23:45]
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mircea_popescu decimation wait, we're progressed past the "it occured while copying" to obscure email programs naoi ? [23:46]
mircea_popescu jeez how the world changes in a coupla hours based on what's said in b-a log, you'd think we're talking to gavin-the-handpuppet & co. [23:47]
decimation heh yeah lemme find a link [23:47]
justJanne Yeah, I probably can. [23:47]
mircea_popescu not that we aren't, just, lulz factor. [23:47]
decimation it's in the comments of that article that replaced yours on hacker news [23:48]
decimation "I don't really know, but I talked to Nadia Heninger about it and she mentioned that they were probably created by some email software only used in Germany. " [23:48]
decimation Note that your headline was dinged for being inaccurate, while this guy's blog is more inaccurate by his own admission [23:49]
justJanne That's very helpful. NOT ;P [23:49]
mircea_popescu herpitty derp. [23:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, to quote myself, "I will write up an article addressing this particular set of bullshit tomorrow. I promise it will be good. Engage bated breath." [23:49]
justJanne Hmm. [23:50]
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mircea_popescu << heh the blessed 90%. "nothing may ever get done!!1" [23:51]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 22:51:31; DreadKnight: the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD [23:51]
decimation < this Nadia Heniger chick claims that rsa keys can be poorly generated by bad rngs (around 50:00 or so) [23:53]
mircea_popescu << confirmed romanian. "te-neci ca tiganu' la mal." implying normal people drown in blue water, but gypsies can't even do this right, they drown after almost getting to shore. [23:53]
justJanne decimation: that's true. RSA keygens use a probabilistic prime test. [23:54]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 22:57:59; DreadKnight: we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps [23:54]
justJanne With a very bad RNG, it would tell you 2 is prime. [23:54]
justJanne Sorry. [23:54]
justJanne Meant 20 [23:54]
decimation lol she claims that (52:41) that openssl just adds the current time of day in seconds to the entropy pool [23:55]
justJanne It does. [23:55]
mircea_popescu this is (or at least was) true [23:55]
adlai mircea_popescu: fyi/raffs: [23:55]
justJanne Read the report on OpenSEL by the OpenBSD guys. It's a whole new level of WTF [23:55]
mircea_popescu "[1] He's been scraping the profiles of young women (specifically) and posting links, names, and hometowns on his blog. Yes, as technologists, we know that this kind of indexing is trivial. That's no reason, as a decent human being, to terrorize innocent people." [23:56]
mircea_popescu herp. [23:56]
mircea_popescu who the fuck asked anon what is and isn't reason nao ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu backwards world srsly. [23:56]
mircea_popescu justJanne it was in chan. [23:56]
* adlai considered writing some words about how security theater damages actual security, but stuck to lazy bean counting [23:57]
justJanne Actual security is sadly a thing that doesn't exist in critical places. [23:57]
mircea_popescu << everywhere someone hopes to get something for nothing and figures govt's the answer to that quandry there's an enemy of b-a. amusingly, this boils down to really very few people and traceably so. [23:57]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 23:00:52; decimation: there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a [23:57]
adlai (a reporter writing about 'accidentally' carrying a multiple-inch blade onto an airplane damages airplane security far, far less than the security practices that let it through) [23:58]
mircea_popescu << it's unclear to me how you figure gmail makes money. [23:58]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 23:04:20; DreadKnight: gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft [23:58]
justJanne Gmail isn't free. [23:58]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: scraping your emails to better sell your advertisements [23:59]
adlai gmail sells adspace to its parent company. the number of people who know its actual revenue is probably quite low. [23:59]
williamdunne Increasing the number of people who know the platform so that enterprise customers will purchase it [23:59]
justJanne Gmail has two options: sell your data or pay. [23:59]
justJanne Yeah. [23:59]
williamdunne I think with pay they still have your data [23:59]
justJanne Nope. [23:59]
decimation gotta pay if you want 'google apps' too [23:59]
justJanne As a large company you can get Google Apps as a box. [23:59]
mircea_popescu << that never happens, but sure. [23:59]
assbot Logged on 17-05-2015 23:07:10; trinque: DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs [23:59]
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