Forum logs for 17 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

indiancandy1	im pretty young and fly	[00:00]
indiancandy1	and sexy	[00:00]
asciilifeform	indiancandy1: paid mircea_popescu a visit yet ?	[00:00]
decimation	asciilifeform: I suppose slight variation in the sampling clock (known to the enemy) would have very little effect on the output	[00:00]
asciilifeform	decimation: the correct way to sample is at (within feasible limits) random intervals.	[00:00]
asciilifeform	what one might call 'spread spectrum' clocking.	[00:01]
indiancandy1	no	[00:01]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though	[00:01]
indiancandy1	why would i	[00:01]
indiancandy1	instagram	[00:01]
indiancandy1	realshantidynamite	[00:01]
decimation	asciilifeform: I rarely deal with irregularly sampled signals, the idea creeps me out a little bit	[00:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64389 @ 0.00028049 = 18.0605 BTC [+] {3}	[00:03]
asciilifeform	decimation: rng literally breaks most of the rules of 'civilian' electronic design	[00:03]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: Yeah okay I'll agree with you.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	where you try to minimize noise, get predictable mechanism, etc	[00:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00028386 = 8.0616 BTC [+]	[00:04]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point. my mental viewpoint for sampled signals is always a frequency domain visualization. my 'test' would be a really long fft	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how's she to afford the airfarez.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: same as me l0l	[00:10]
asciilifeform	using money.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	she's enslaved by the cispatriarchy with the belief that she shouldn't have to.	[00:12]
asciilifeform	waiwut	[00:12]
williamdunne	Surely if she were to be blaming the cispatriarchy that would suggest she is transgender	[00:15]
decimation	what about transpatriarchy	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	well how should i explain it ? lol	[00:15]
williamdunne	decimation: that implies they are delusional	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne if one blames the nazis does that mean they're jooz ?	[00:15]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: no, but thats not binary	[00:15]
williamdunne	You're either cis or you're not	[00:16]
williamdunne	Its more like if you blame women, you're (probably) a man	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	is it ?!	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	most she-haters i know are womenz.	[00:17]
williamdunne	Hmm you're right, none of these examples are all that great	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	to bring the point home : you can only be NOT cis. because the people who use the term aren't, and to the entire would outside of that small, retarded minority the term is meaningless.	[00:17]
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mircea_popescu	much like rape, racism, privilege, democracy, equality, social justice etc etc.	[00:18]
williamdunne	Indeed, so she is either a transvestite or a squirrelkin	[00:18]
asciilifeform	not meaningless >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Cis-trans.svg/1280px-Cis-trans.svg.png	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	the list of terms scared up by the delusional have this fundamental property that they only exclude.	[00:18]
williamdunne	/apache attack helicopter	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	the .svg.png part is lulzy.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:19]
asciilifeform	(know why even? microshit exploder, iirc, could not view svg. at all.)	[00:20]
williamdunne	*could not	[00:20]
williamdunne	being highlighted	[00:20]
williamdunne	IIRC it can since ie9	[00:21]
williamdunne	yep	[00:21]
williamdunne	http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25236 @ 0.00027849 = 7.028 BTC [-] {2}	[00:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38764 @ 0.00027087 = 10.5 BTC [-] {2}	[00:25]
asciilifeform	quite unrelated, but very spiffy >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8bDCfZ_Cc	[00:30]
asciilifeform	(where's arsebot ?)	[00:31]
asciilifeform	'1945 Zeros Attack B-29 Formation over the Fujiama.'	[00:31]
decimation	assbot seems to be partially tits-up	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	decimation what's teh problem ?	[00:35]
decimation	where's assbot's page titles and bitly links?	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	oh	[00:36]
decimation	asciilifeform: it's interesting to see so many apparent successful zero 'intercepts'	[00:39]
decimation	my understaning is that bomber tail guns were not very effective	[00:39]
deedbot-	[Trilema] /btc/, the most recent 8chan board - http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/	[00:41]
williamdunne	decimation: Seems like they'd server more of a deterrent purpose than anything	[00:41]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134258 <<< total butterface, great tits though	[00:42]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 02:56:56; williamdunne: indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though	[00:42]
williamdunne	cazalla: I wouldn't go so far as butterface, definitely not the strong point	[00:42]
williamdunne	Maybe I have soft spot for Indian women	[00:42]
cazalla	this one is only half indian though	[00:44]
williamdunne	And half greek, so you know she won't get anything done	[00:45]
cazalla	those desi girls are pretty hot mind you	[00:45]
williamdunne	I think its the combination of the skin, and some western-ish features	[00:47]
cazalla	what are western features?	[00:51]
cazalla	http://i.imgur.com/tXGZonM.jpg	[00:53]
williamdunne	Less Asian than other Asians	[00:55]
cazalla	isn't that the East :P	[00:56]
cazalla	anyway if ya like shanti, her porno is in the logs	[00:58]
cazalla	one for mircea_popescu https://instagram.com/p/zxai8jh6A4/?taken-by=realshantidynamite	[00:59]
decimation	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/projectile-problem-goes-beyond-amtrak-train-and-philadelphia.html?_r=0 < lol apparently the new explanation for the amtrak crash in philadelphia is that the 'local citizens' were throwing bricks at the trains	[01:00]
decimation	"Getting ?rocked,? as locomotive engineers call it, is so common on the Northeast Corridor that trains long had metal grills over their windshields to act as armor. These days, thick glass is specifically designed to withstand the impact of a cinder block. Amtrak officials say trains are pelted in the neighborhoods around the crash site monthly."	[01:01]
decimation	note that the new york times hasn't seen fit to cover this until now, because reasons	[01:02]
decimation	well, one would think that the trains that carry the flower of the ny & dc elites might carry some level of interest	[01:06]
asciilifeform	l0lwut	[01:07]
asciilifeform	elite, on trains?	[01:07]
decimation	sure	[01:07]
asciilifeform	what is this, 1890 ?	[01:07]
decimation	how do you think they travel? tsa screening?	[01:07]
asciilifeform	'learjet' etc	[01:07]
asciilifeform	no tsa.	[01:07]
decimation	nah. if going from dc to ny (or reverse) aircraft would be less convenient	[01:08]
asciilifeform	only for plebes condemned to arse searches and queues	[01:08]
decimation	not really. you gonna land a plane in grand central station	[01:08]
decimation	gotta go to teterboro or some other outlying airport	[01:09]
decimation	lawyers, politicians, media	[01:09]
decimation	usg is all over the place	[01:09]
decimation	but the important bits are within walking distance of a metro station	[01:10]
decimation	joe biden was famous for commuting daily from delaware on amtrak	[01:11]
decimation	while he was a senator	[01:11]
asciilifeform	to imagine that this is why the bricks fly, is lunacy	[01:11]
decimation	sorry I wasn't implying that was the case	[01:12]
decimation	the fact that bricks fly at such trains ought to be newsworthy	[01:12]
decimation	my point being that it only turns out to be newsworthy once a major accident happens and people get injured/killed	[01:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00028386 = 11.6099 BTC [+]	[01:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55150 @ 0.00028386 = 15.6549 BTC [+]	[01:30]
trinque	deedbot-: add feed http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml	[01:42]
deedbot-	http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml is a go!	[01:42]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] electronics hack night featuring the twiddler and asciilifeform's TRNG - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/16_electronics-hack-night-featuring-the-twiddler-and-asciilifeforms-trng.html	[01:43]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] A brief history of the Bitcoin Foundation's activity from 10/2014 through 4/2015 - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/02_a-brief-history-of-the-bitcoin-foundations-activity-from-102014-through-42015.html	[01:43]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/26_fyooturgigs-knife-sharpener-garbage-sorter-computational-sommelier.html	[01:43]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] Well welcomed, the warrior - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/25_well-welcomed-the-warrior.html	[01:43]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] Bitcoin needs no changes to destroy your world - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/24_bitcoin-needs-no-changes-to-destroy-your-world.html	[01:43]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html	[01:43]
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trinque	decimation \| it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures << seems a fine use.	[01:46]
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decimation	http://www.cjr.org/analysis/seymour_hersh_osama_bin_laden.php < "Hersh?s assertion, which has by now been at least partially confirmed by multiple news organizations, that bin Laden was found thanks to a ?walk-in? tip?rather than by tracking his courier as the government has claimed?should be a major scandal."	[01:54]
trinque	decimation: and iran and the gulf states hear the message loud and clear; if you're a nuclear state, you can hide the USA's #1 most wanted man and receive billions in buyoffs per year	[02:03]
decimation	well, russia is more than just 'a nuclear state'	[02:04]
decimation	gotta have rocketry too	[02:04]
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decimation	oh, you were talking about bin laden	[02:05]
trinque	yep	[02:05]
decimation	heh I was thinking snowden	[02:05]
trinque	ah that too	[02:06]
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trinque	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/27/pakistans-long-history-of-fighting-saudi-arabias-wars/	[02:08]
decimation	sure, pakistan has been a useful stooge for a variety of powers	[02:08]
trinque	given the cozy relationship there I would not be surprised if saudi tries to purchase nukes from pakistan, if they haven't already	[02:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00027653 = 18.2925 BTC [-] {3}	[02:10]
decimation	eh, saudi arabia doesn't really need nukes	[02:10]
trinque	why don't they?	[02:11]
decimation	they got usg's nukes on call if they need them	[02:11]
trinque	http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-considers-nuclear-weapons-to-offset-iran-1430999409 << usg might be shifting the balance of power in the region towards their competitor	[02:18]
trinque	I wouldn't trust the USA if I were them.	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00027138 = 11.9 BTC [-] {3}	[02:22]
trinque	http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-nuclear-deal-raises-stakes-for-iran-talks-1426117583	[02:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00027033 = 5.0822 BTC [-]	[02:47]
mats	http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32747454	[02:51]
mats	> China to invest $50bn in Brazil infrastructure	[02:51]
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gabriel_laddel	BAD (bitcoin-assets distro) update #2.	[03:40]
gabriel_laddel	Testing the install process has been impeded by possibly faulty hardware (my testing box reliably kernel panics as of today - idkwtf). I'm stalled until I've new boxen. If someone were willing to set aside a few hours to test the install process, please leave it in the logs. I'll follow up with you via PM.	[03:40]
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*	BingoBoingo still rather inclined towards promoting *nix hetrogeny	[03:42]
*	gabriel_laddel sees *nix hetrogeny as meaningless unless the personalized systems all have sources included, can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call	[03:46]
gabriel_laddel	Quote suggestions for 8chan ads:	[03:53]
gabriel_laddel	"He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." - JMC	[03:54]
gabriel_laddel	"PS. Smart people don't give a shit about how much money you have. Because they can take it from you, any time they feel like it. Get it through your skull: you ain't buying it, you ain't coercing it, get on your knees and start worshipping it." -- http://trilema.com/2013/the-sanity-dogma/#comment-95113	[03:54]
gabriel_laddel	"in the meantime, resistance is not futile. only the weak of mind will be assimilated, and they are no loss, anyway." -- Naggum	[03:54]
gabriel_laddel	"Reductio ad absurdum, which Euclid loved so much, is one of a mathematician's finest weapons. It is a far finer gambit than any chess play: a chess player may offer the acrifice of a pawn or even a piece, but a mathematician offers the game. -- A Mathematician's Apology (London 1941)"	[03:56]
gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134249 << !s chetty	[03:59]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 02:54:48; indiancandy1: im like the only pretty girl who comes in here	[03:59]
gabriel_laddel	!s hanbot	[04:00]
assbot	795 results for 'hanbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hanbot	[04:00]
gabriel_laddel	;; later tell indiacandy1 who are your role models in the porn biz?	[04:01]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:01]
BingoBoingo	gabriel_laddel: Did you stumble upon my 11 year plan in the logs yet?	[04:02]
gabriel_laddel	BingoBoingo: becoming a MMA punching bag? Yeah.	[04:03]
gabriel_laddel	BingoBoingo: whats up?	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	gabriel_laddel: Nah, avoiding MMA, becoming a boxing tomato can for my 40th birthday in 11 years	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	Oh, not too much is up. My youngest brother got their BS in Mechanical engineering today.	[04:04]
gabriel_laddel	neat	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	WOuld maybe recruit for La Republic serene if we need a trebuchet	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	gabriel_laddel: Year one goal is ending their year in sufficient shape after a decade of chainsmoking and heavy drinking to not get too winded at a gym	[04:05]
BingoBoingo	Also strengthening the metacarpals through controlled stress fractures	[04:06]
gabriel_laddel	Eh, whatever floats your boat I suppose.	[04:07]
gabriel_laddel	I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes.	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	I like walking too, but walking lets me smoke while I do it, also seems less like exercise and more liek an activity of daily living the doctors count against you if you can't do it.	[04:09]
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gabriel_laddel	BingoBoingo: are you trying to impress to fuck a doctor or something?	[04:10]
gabriel_laddel	who cares?	[04:10]
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BingoBoingo	gabriel_laddel: I live in a rogue state atm (Illinois) and I'd rather not have to get a prostate exam to buy legit hunting rifle of Mosin or Simnov design. So earlier this week I was watching past oscar movies and hit Million Dollar Baby. Then it hit me. Why not weaponize me?	[04:13]
gabriel_laddel	BingoBoingo: someone willing to slit throats isn't scary	[04:14]
gabriel_laddel	really, they're not even that useful.	[04:14]
gabriel_laddel	learn organic chemistry	[04:14]
gabriel_laddel	a motivated chemist is really fucking scary	[04:14]
gabriel_laddel	china ships precursors to mexico all the time, head out there (cn), meet the people involved.	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	Oh, scary is context dependent. I sat through ~75% of a pharmacy school's curriculum as a grad assistant who just worked the microphones.	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	Thing is the legitimate governments of most of mexico frown on synthesis without their blessing.	[04:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00027969 = 8.3627 BTC [+]	[04:16]
gabriel_laddel	BingoBoingo: China homie	[04:16]
gabriel_laddel	BingoBoingo: do you know synth then?	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	I know the concept of a recipe and I know what a catecholamine is.	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	?	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	China? WTF?	[04:18]
gabriel_laddel	BingoBoingo: Explain C2 symmetry to me.	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	gabriel_laddel: It is a rotational thing. Anything cool will lack symmetry greater than C1.	[04:21]
BingoBoingo	Blame our earth biases towards amino acids one way and carbohydrates another, not opposite way	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	citalopram vs. escitalopram and levo-methamphatamine vs. dex-methamphetamine is a good starting point on chirality	[04:23]
gabriel_laddel	BingoBoingo: The bent I'm attempting to communicate here is something like this: You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow. Boxing is a last resort sort of thing, even if you were to become the worlds best boxer you're still basicly some poor fuck who couldn't make	[04:24]
gabriel_laddel	it as an intellectual.	[04:25]
gabriel_laddel	If your goal is to become scary, well, there are way to get there that are going to make you much more scary than the worlds best MMA fighter.	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	Ah, You are looking at ends.	[04:25]
gabriel_laddel	If your goal is to become healthy, idk how boxing figures into it.	[04:25]
gabriel_laddel	Yeah, always work towards a purpose, not a cause right?	[04:26]
gabriel_laddel	(I kid)	[04:26]
gabriel_laddel	that said, I wish you the best in all your ventures.	[04:26]
BingoBoingo	My take is there is a tradition.	[04:27]
gabriel_laddel	Regarding China - finding reliable chemical suppliers and integrating with the WoT sounds like a useful use of one's life.	[04:28]
gabriel_laddel	/s/useful/productive	[04:28]
gabriel_laddel	My take is there is a tradition. << this means nothing to me	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	It requires minimal monetary expenditure and substantial time expenditure to approach X, A side effect of X is getting punched. Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain.	[04:29]
cazalla	ya know BingoBoingo, people told pacman he couldn't become a boxer	[04:32]
BingoBoingo	^	[04:32]
gabriel_laddel	Getting punched will happen regardless through other habits I entertain. << can't save people from themselves...	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	I'm actually pretty good at taking a beating.	[04:34]
gabriel_laddel	I'm excellent at shooting H	[04:34]
gabriel_laddel	...	[04:34]
gabriel_laddel	?	[04:34]
gabriel_laddel	Seriously?	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	Seriously, Mu chin is good.	[04:34]
gabriel_laddel	Between me, rents and sickboy I'm the best petty thief	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	https://8ch.net/static/banners/cul/1427429909196.png heh. quite.	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	+++++++ ^ +++++++++	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	decimation afaik it was always known (tm) that they found him by sherpa.	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	they got usg's nukes on call if they need them << nope, not anymore. new king is trashing the alliance.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	the us will have to work out of cuba and hawaii.	[04:38]
BingoBoingo	Thankfully Obummer surrendered to the Castros	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	can be bundled into a usb stick or CD/DVD installer with a single procedure call <<< exactly this.	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	an "install" you have to "fiddle with" is not an install.	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel kinda too long to fit on a banner, i fthat's what you meant ?	[04:41]
cazalla	of course for every pacman there is countless spider ricos	[04:41]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: small fonts? I can't speak for anyone else, but I must read pretty much any text that makes its way into my vision.	[04:42]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, figured you more for baseball anyway, then you could get juiced up on HGH	[04:42]
cazalla	hispanics getting homeruns	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << im pretty much the same.	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: The time it takes to learn to throw anything left handed... versus the exosud of young potential prize fighters for MMA and the NFL... I leik my odds	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	" You've made it to #b-a, which unlike any community I've ever encountered provides a foundation for building a sane civilization and you want to... become a boxer? It doesn't follow." << ahaha lulzy way to put it, but i dbout the guy actually aspires to this as his life. sounded more like a hobby to me	[04:44]
cazalla	still don't get the 11 years of training	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel i think that's how half the chan people are too. that's why it's such a trap for them	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Honestly having been roundly rejected by the fiat economy anything I approach is as a hobby, except for the qntra. The Qntra is deadly serious.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, guy has it : we definitely need more people in china.	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: If only you knew the tar on my lungs.	[04:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00027982 = 4.4631 BTC [+]	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	Also, 40 is kind of peak athlete age barring major injuries	[04:46]
cazalla	i dunno about that, boxing? maybe though	[04:46]
cazalla	but still, 12-18 months training and you're good to go	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Think about how many pitchers peak in ability in their late 30's early 40's (or not) versus combat sports peeps over at 30 because they are too beat.	[04:48]
cazalla	and that's if ya only never boxed before	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	First step is getting to high school graduation weight.	[04:48]
cazalla	slip the jab	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	While building the upperbody and core back up	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	https://media.8ch.net/cul/src/1427434337209.jpg :D	[04:49]
cazalla	do ya compound exercises	[04:49]
gabriel_laddel	hahahaha	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	I leik'd dpb's "transmen are evil" sjw clickbait tumblr	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Working on it.	[04:50]
cazalla	yeah i keep meaning to as well but the booze really gets its hooks in	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ag6-nWZ1E << dude, i had no idea that cartman-vlog south park episode was actually ripped from an irl thing	[04:51]
BingoBoingo	Boose isn't as bad as the smoking it seems atm for me, may change.	[04:51]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Anymore nothing in south park doesn't have an irl connection	[04:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00027982 = 3.6517 BTC [+]	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	apparnetly.	[04:52]
BingoBoingo	Last season's season long arc and its tanents all irl tied	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	*tangents	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	check it out jurov https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#177 teh plebs do not like your art!	[04:54]
cazalla	ya should toss a quote in from that boy and the tree, that'd go well in /pol/ believe it or not	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	(honestly, that hauling assets banner is great, easily the best of the crop. meanwhile the qntra one is probably the shittiest. imagine these derps, conflating the extremes like that)	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	Nah that's a tie for beating rhonda quotes	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	cazalla oh that's a point huh.	[04:55]
cazalla	it's a great story though, not the first trilema article i read but the first that stuck in my mind	[04:56]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, anyway we should both train and then we can put on some exhibition fights in BA in a year or 2, find some local picaninnies to go up against	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: That sounds agreeable	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	;;seen mike_c	[04:59]
gribble	mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: i'll add something	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	The dying locust tree in the back yard will probably appreciate the break	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	omg mikey! i need you.	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	If anyone didn't guess already the Qntra Bird Flu article came out of buying 2 dozen eggs and the next week buying the same two dozen eggs for a budget busting (who plans for 67% markups) price.	[05:03]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, buying em? what's the matter with you, can't catch a chicken?	[05:04]
cazalla	chicken chasing is how we use to train in the old days btw	[05:04]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu!	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	aha	[13:13]
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mircea_popescu	aha	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	340k submitted HOL SHIT	[13:14]
asciilifeform	ahahahaha.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa.	[13:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu read log	[13:14]
asciilifeform	and check yer mails	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	dude...	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	yes im going to	[13:16]
asciilifeform	the most lulzy part (what the common factor was) is not even posted publicly yet.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	im waiting to share it in the interview lolz.	[13:17]
asciilifeform	kudos to mircea_popescu for supplying the cpu cycles for this apparatus pro bono	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	i am in complete disbelief that this actually happened.	[13:18]
mxtm	what exactly has happened?	[13:18]
mxtm	gpg key has been breached?	[13:18]
mxtm	or	[13:18]
asciilifeform	mxtm: some 2 schmucks (of which i've identified 1, but the other will follow in a week or so) had common factor in their rsa private keys.	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	this is truly fucking major.	[13:19]
mxtm	and you derived the priv keys from this?	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey.	[13:20]
mxtm	jeez	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[13:21]
mxtm	that is quite major	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	that is quite major. but it's not the half of it.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	more stuff to be announced here, later.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	;;rated asciilifeform	[13:28]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate asciilifeform 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.	[13:28]
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mircea_popescu	!rated asciilifeform	[13:28]
assbot	You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: He came up with the Cardano For Christmas marketing plan. Also phuctor..	[13:28]
asciilifeform	eh waitup	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	!rate asciilifeform 5 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.	[13:28]
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asciilifeform	perhaps the ssl folks did	[13:28]
asciilifeform	factor one	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	i sign my lines, you sign your lines	[13:28]
asciilifeform	l0k	[13:29]
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williamdunne	Holy shit wel done asciii	[13:53]
asciilifeform	williamdunne: 'first ecstacy, then laundry.' (al schwartz)	[13:54]
asciilifeform	jurov: most peculiar. it is a valid rsa key.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah now he has to do various shit.	[13:57]
asciilifeform	no this is a good find, i will add it to the queue of three or four other mysterymeats	[13:58]
asciilifeform	the only peculiar thing i can see in this key is the use of odd orcish hieroglyphs in the id string	[13:58]
asciilifeform	but that shouldn't throw off my apparatus.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	lmao utf strikes again	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	python strings alf. python strings.	[14:00]
*	asciilifeform promises to investigate this oddity, and see if there are others like it, as soon as finishes current plate	[14:01]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> yes. once keys are factored we have the privkey. << holy shit o.0	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	ikr?	[14:04]
asciilifeform	for the record, since folks were asking, much simpler than i thought,	[14:06]
asciilifeform	we have schmuck-P; if one were to divide Π(∀n) by (schmuck-P ^ 2), result is JK where J is $schmuck-Q and K is $otherschmuck-Q. thereby Kschmuck-P == otherschmuckmodulus.	[14:06]
asciilifeform	no need to walk it.	[14:06]
mod6	lol, great work.	[14:08]
mod6	im stunned. very impressive.	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/	[14:10]
asciilifeform	that was fast.	[14:10]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: good afternoon	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	had to.	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	mike_c just hte man i wanted to see	[14:11]
mike_c	what can i do for you?	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	say, can i has 728x90 bitbet banners ? and in some manner WITH the link, so i can put them on 8chan ?	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	you get to use your own btc addy for referrals.	[14:11]
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mike_c	yeah, i can whip that up	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	excellent.	[14:12]
mod6	wow! 231?!	[14:13]
*	mod6 falls out of his chair	[14:13]
mxtm	looooooooooooooool	[14:13]
mxtm	yeah	[14:13]
mxtm	that's great	[14:13]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, congratulations	[14:13]
mod6	^^	[14:13]
Apocalyptic	this is quite stunning	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	word.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	i am quite stunned myself.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i do encourage everyone to try this themselves.	[14:14]
mxtm	now what do we do with our GPG keys and GPG in general :(	[14:15]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, isn't Π(∀n) the product of all the modulus treated by phuctor ? how do you get $schmuck-Q * $otherschmuck-Q by dividing it by (schmuck-P ^ 2) ?	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	mxtm we check implementations to make sure they're conformant to spec.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	the spec is in no way broken by this.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	oh also - if anyone has a hacker news account or w/e - put it in.	[14:17]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: you are correct, the formula is missing a step. but i will leave it as exercise.	[14:17]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, that calculation makes sense if Π(∀n) is in fact the product of only the two modulus we're interested in	[14:17]
mats	asciilifeform: seen this? https://factorable.net/weakkeys12.extended.pdf	[14:22]
asciilifeform	mats: the ssl folks ?	[14:22]
asciilifeform	i shat on them when we started out, because they published neither code nor results !	[14:22]
asciilifeform	and i shit on them now.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	^	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	never happened (tm)	[14:23]
asciilifeform	aha.	[14:23]
asciilifeform	the paper is worth reading, it contains a bit of exposition on -how- a schmuck might end up with dupped privates	[14:23]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, also I noticed that "Moduli waiting to test" number is updated quite regularly, why the running product displays the same number of digits for a while now, I guess it doesn't update as often ?	[14:23]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: it gets updated when a batch is done	[14:23]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: so you'll be waiting a few days	[14:24]
Apocalyptic	s/why/while	[14:24]
asciilifeform	^ good question	[14:24]
asciilifeform	answrs.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	optimized bubble-like process, was discussed in the logs iirc	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	faster to pair them up.	[14:24]
asciilifeform	we don't crap out the product often, it dances on the disk and slows things down	[14:24]
asciilifeform	it lives in ram normally.	[14:24]
Apocalyptic	understandable	[14:24]
asciilifeform	(which is why the thing takes an ungodly time to revv back up after a cold boot)	[14:24]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Full disclosure : 4096 RSA key in the strongset factored. - http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/	[14:26]
davout	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560790	[14:27]
asciilifeform	aaaaand then there were 2.	[14:28]
asciilifeform	http://nosuchlabs.com/stats	[14:28]
mats	if that makes it to front page, prepare for an onslaught of 'mp is a pornographer and slaver'	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	oh, well... this was powered by slave labour.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	ask anyone. such as stan.	[14:29]
mats	asciilifeform: ya, wasn't sure if the link was the same paper you referred to earlier re: 'ssl folks'	[14:29]
jurov	lol. and which machine was this? in odessa?	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	ayup	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	and holy shit.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	boys ? it ... it just found another.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	NOT the pair to the previous one.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	another PAIR	[14:30]
mod6	wow!	[14:30]
mxtm	WHAT LOL	[14:30]
mod6	exponential ?!	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	omfg strong set is rotten to the core.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	expo-fucking-nential.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	see, it needed a well loaded up P	[14:30]
davout	hory shet	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is this 500 line py script published anywhere ?	[14:31]
asciilifeform	which	[14:31]
asciilifeform	the ugly www frontend ?	[14:31]
asciilifeform	or werker	[14:31]
Apocalyptic	wait, the worker is a python script ?	[14:32]
asciilifeform	i don't recall if i posted it anywhere.	[14:32]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: v1 was. but not this one	[14:32]
asciilifeform	the thing that does the gruntwork is in c, uses gmp (as gpg uses)	[14:32]
Apocalyptic	sound choice	[14:32]
asciilifeform	the www front end is an ugly python hack	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	werker	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	ah ok	[14:32]
asciilifeform	i posted werker in #b-a a few days after phuctor went public	[14:32]
asciilifeform	no one commented	[14:32]
asciilifeform	feel free to post somewhere	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform plox put it as post on loper-os	[14:33]
asciilifeform	the src specifically ?	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	and yes, 2nd one also includes key in strong set.	[14:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: sure, lemme cook up a ps0t	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	ty	[14:34]
davout	so 2 identified keys have been factored and 2 others have been factored, but not identified yet, right?	[14:36]
asciilifeform	aha	[14:36]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, will the second colliding prime be published ?	[14:37]
davout	just publish them in chan, as they come, more log readership	[14:37]
davout	:D	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic nah.	[14:38]
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mircea_popescu	just owner(s) announced.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	davout two pairs of gpg keys are known, in the sense that their pubkey modulus has been factored.	[14:39]
kakobrekla	same p on second one?	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	nope. 21 this time. why bother with a full length 77 when one could just use 7.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	faster.	[14:40]
Apocalyptic	just owner(s) announced. // once you have the owners name you can get their keys, and at that point it's trivial to compute the common prime factor	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	(generally - since the gcd finally contains 3, it will be a massacre now for all the shitty keys)	[14:40]
mod6	21?!	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic announced PRIVATELY. of course.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	im not tellin' you.	[14:41]
Apocalyptic	oh ok	[14:41]
davout	mod6: digits?	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic from what i hear alf's contemplating sending them certs signed by their own key.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	he has a sense of humour like that.	[14:43]
Apocalyptic	heh	[14:43]
mod6	proof in the pudding :]	[14:43]
davout	mircea_popescu: best proof possible	[14:44]
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davout	!up bad_duck	[14:45]
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mircea_popescu	if anything shows the value of hard work and just sitting down and doing it, in the present environment of financial "futures" and just-in-time everything, this would be it.	[14:45]
davout	!rated bad_duck	[14:46]
assbot	You rated user bad_duck on 25-Mar-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: encore une victoire pour canard.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	everybody could have tyold you gcd'ing is a waste of time and cycles.	[14:46]
mats	http://mercemolist.net/2014/10/07/colofon-navaja-negra-la-clave-rsa-que-al-final-se-rompio/	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	"que permitía romper una clave pública de 1024 bits en 20 minutos, con un simple portátil."	[14:47]
jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/36a3mu/today_a_4096_bit_rsa_key_was_factored_more_coming/	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132661	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	you know, just a line down from where i say "i have my doubts 4096 keys will EVER be factored."	[14:48]
bad_duck	davout: thx	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	of course, i was not contemplating nonsense of this sort.	[14:48]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1504	[14:48]
davout	bad_duck: you should be able to !up yourself in PM with assbot	[14:48]
assbot	Logged on 15-05-2015 04:11:23; mircea_popescu: (for they following at home : 4x as many bits does not mean 4x as large numbers. when computer registers went from 32 to 64 bits, maxint went from 2147483647 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807)	[14:48]
asciilifeform	jurov: i'm waiting for the apocalyptic 'omg1111111111!!!111 pgp broken, seppuku now' stampede	[14:49]
davout	hahaha, reddit is downvoting it	[14:49]
davout	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36a1m2/full_disclosure_4096_rsa_key_in_the_strongset/	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[14:49]
davout	if(matters) { downvote } else { moon_moon_moon }	[14:50]
jurov	more like "mircea popescu t3h ev1l"	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	what do i have to oh	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	cause of trilema ? ookay.	[14:51]
davout	because paywall...	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	the supreme irony of which being, that you have to be a fairly frequent reader to hit the paywall.	[14:53]
davout	precisely	[14:53]
jurov	of be behind NAT with an reader	[14:53]
jurov	*or	[14:53]
mxtm	wait	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	i guess, yeah.	[14:53]
mxtm	apparently, luckier	[14:53]
asciilifeform	the article on my www (earlier link) contains link to 'werker'	[14:53]
asciilifeform	for curious folks	[14:53]
mxtm	is that supposed to be a hint at the number	[14:53]
asciilifeform	l0l	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	mxtm no, it's just that having maintained control over the box i feel no need to divulge anything.	[14:54]
mxtm	gotcha	[14:54]
mats	re: previous es link, it appears openssl at some point did not check whether factors were weak	[14:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: at this point i must note that i have no idea if i'm connected to shakespeare or another man by the same name, when i talk to dulap	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	mats gpg always did afaik, special algo foir this	[14:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15306 @ 0.00028464 = 4.3567 BTC [+]	[14:54]
asciilifeform	the box, if it had been purloined and returned, has yielded up its private ssh key to enemy	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why, no openssl ? :D	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	you can make another one.	[14:55]
asciilifeform	make other one by taking airplane ?	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	make another one while ssh'd in :D	[14:55]
asciilifeform	or by asking ft meade, where the process lives now, to do it	[14:55]
asciilifeform	if it was stolen - it remains stolen	[14:55]
asciilifeform	sorta how one can't un-fuck goat	[14:55]
asciilifeform	take a minute to think	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	APPRECIATE MY SARCASM GOD DANGIT	[14:56]
asciilifeform	l0lz	[14:56]
*	asciilifeform appreciates. commenting re: 'maintained control'	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114210 << the problems of people.	[14:56]
jurov	just use cpanel to replace the ssh key, no?	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	^^^	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	voted most likely to succeed perianne.	[14:57]
asciilifeform	so far this is nothing.	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	davout hit a reload, went from 2 points by davout 8 minutes ago to 49 points by davout 35 minutes ago \| 11 comments	[14:59]
asciilifeform	wait till we find the boobytrapped pgptron that is responsible for the $smallint factors.	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform very curious, because i always suspected you know "older versions"	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	well... shit man, older versions don't really do 4kb keys	[15:00]
trinque	holy phuctor	[15:00]
asciilifeform	gonna guess it's a creative bug where pollard-rho -must- fail to pass	[15:00]
davout	asciilifeform: what's the version string on the key?	[15:00]
asciilifeform	which one	[15:01]
jurov	phuctor discards comments, i guess	[15:01]
asciilifeform	jurov: actually sks does	[15:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52218 @ 0.00028491 = 14.8774 BTC [+] {2}	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah, sks cuts comments.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	this, tbh, is a good move, because : someone came up with the fucktarded idea of adding "visual" identity to keys. as if i can tell one whore from another on the basis of a 5kb icon.	[15:02]
asciilifeform	i was never strongly interested in the version strings. anyone can write what he wants.	[15:03]
asciilifeform	it isn't even signed	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	allowing comments means you can't have fixed width tables, which ffs.	[15:03]
asciilifeform	i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse.	[15:03]
jurov	http://thetrendythings.com/read/27592 << snatched verbatim	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	also this.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov lots of these republishing things. i think it's some business major's idea of web entrepreneurship	[15:03]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560961	[15:04]
asciilifeform	^^^	[15:04]
asciilifeform	!	[15:04]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers	[15:04]
mats	hey, they preserved links to the original thing.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i know.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	what did you think the considerations were.	[15:05]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560990	[15:07]
mxtm	woah, i didn't know that hpa was	[15:07]
mxtm	THE peter anvin	[15:07]
trinque	so... gpg's used by kernel devs to sign patches, eh?	[15:07]
trinque	oh man he's the maintainer of kernel.org?	[15:08]
mxtm	used to be	[15:08]
mxtm	and like his name used to show up on syslinux	[15:08]
trinque	that's... incredible	[15:08]
mxtm	everything that used syslinux	[15:08]
mxtm	it would be like	[15:08]
mxtm	SYSLINUX PETER ANVIN	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	sadly.	[15:08]
asciilifeform	wai wut	[15:11]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i thought you were banned on graham-altman propertiesd	[15:11]
asciilifeform	did we just nuke a known fella	[15:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: my -site- iirc was banned.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	ah ah	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	you were banned on wikipedia, for being a spammer, i recall now.	[15:11]
asciilifeform	i'm a little surprised that trilema wasn't	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560993 << independently confirmed	[15:12]
mod6	nice	[15:12]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134868 <<< did that for a deed, got trinque all worked up, 'whoa, you really do GPG on an atari box??'	[15:12]
trinque	haha	[15:13]
trinque	twas win 3.11, I remember	[15:13]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 17:59:08; asciilifeform: i can change yours to 'pgp over dead goat' and it'll parse.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	"In the army battle field tactical communication are handle by streaming ciphers on the radio. The idea is not to be impossible to breach. But strong enough that time is on your side"	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	experts :D	[15:13]
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d34th	d9b4bef9 danielpbarron davout decimation deedbot- diametric dignork donpillou dooglus dub	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	!up d34th	[15:14]
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d34th	thanks, its been a while since i've been in here	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	how do you like the world outside ?	[15:14]
d34th	its a dark and dangerous place	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114212 << apparently the ddos guy is still lurking.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	gotta update that post.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	actually i guess just the comment will do.	[15:16]
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williamdunne	To this day I have not had my connection drop, the wired connection has remained solid without dropping. Maybe I'm just lucky and ddos guys like me?	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	Server Load 0.45 << kinda funny to watch trilema iron.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne i dunno what exactly he does, but if people are complaining it must be something.	[15:18]
trinque	it has happened to me on occasion	[15:18]
d34th	mircea_popescu: question about the working is it cpu based or opencl	[15:18]
trinque	not since cloaked and getting a new IP from the ISP	[15:18]
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mircea_popescu	d34th you mean phuctor ? it's cpu	[15:19]
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d34th	i have a few cores i could donate	[15:19]
davout	it would probably make sense for the phuctor to start munching SSL certs as well	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	d34th you wanna do something, do the same with ssl certs.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	openssl is dead for us here./	[15:19]
asciilifeform	see link by mats earlier	[15:20]
asciilifeform	re: openssl	[15:20]
asciilifeform	(it was, purportedly, done, by a bunch of academitards who refuse to publish any results)	[15:20]
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mike_c	mircea_popescu: banner created. http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png?height=90	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	mike_c how do i get what url it needs to link to ?	[15:20]
asciilifeform	incidentally, folks asking 'how does it work' can go to my site & read the fucking src now	[15:21]
asciilifeform	the relevant bit is posted	[15:21]
davout	mircea_popescu: it would be better for the phuctor itself to do it	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	you can just import the P ?	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	it's published for this reason.	[15:21]
davout	or i guess yes, GCD the running product once in a while	[15:21]
asciilifeform	this is a point, if you convert your ssl or whatever rsa key to pgp format,	[15:21]
asciilifeform	you can throw it in the pot with the rest.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	^	[15:22]
asciilifeform	ditto ssh	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	in other news, how does a server look while trending on everything ? like so :	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	CKKC_CKC__._CKKKKWKKKK__KK_KKK___KKKK___C_KKC_KK___C_K.WWK._K__.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	.KK_WCCC__K___CK_KKKK___K__C__C_KW_C_KK_K_KWK__C_CKC_W___.CK_KCK	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	KC_K_K__C_K_____K_______K_K_K____________K_..._.................	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	.............K..................................................	[15:22]
davout	asciilifeform: it doesn't parse plain rsa keys?	[15:22]
asciilifeform	(please don't throw in private key. i will -not- get it back out for you)	[15:22]
asciilifeform	davout: nope. applies pgp parser 1st	[15:22]
asciilifeform	-possibly- if folks ask nicely i will add a 'throw modulus raw' thing	[15:23]
asciilifeform	but right now the display apparatus expects all moduli to be associated with pgp keys	[15:23]
asciilifeform	(one or more)	[15:23]
mike_c	I have a script that will do it, not sure if you can use that for your ads? If not, we could either pick a specific bet to promote and link it to that, or link to homepage.	[15:24]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: What do the CKW__.s mean?	[15:24]
asciilifeform	does one of you ad folks wanna make a commemorative banner for this occasion ?	[15:24]
asciilifeform	'we broke a 4096 key, read how'	[15:24]
asciilifeform	etc	[15:24]
davout	lol, good idea	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne "_" Waiting for Connection, "S" Starting up, "R" Reading Request, "W" Sending Reply, "K" Keepalive (read), "D" DNS Lookup, "C" Closing connection, "L" Logging, "G" Gracefully finishing, "I" Idle cleanup of worker, "." Open slot with no current process	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you see how the 8chan ads work ?	[15:25]
asciilifeform	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Peter_Anvin	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	i pass a base64 img wrapped in a tags. could you maybe make it be the same and i just forward it ? dunno.	[15:26]
asciilifeform	then again, is it 'him' or 'another shakespeare'	[15:26]
asciilifeform	anybody got any material signed by anvin ?	[15:26]
davout	few extra features to implement for the phuctor... also nice to have: "throw list of URLs at it, it fetches the SSL cert and tries to factor it"	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	davout yeah cuz we're so totally out of material to squeeze atm :D	[15:26]
asciilifeform	l0l aha	[15:26]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: iframe?	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	run out of geyser oil, gotta go to fracking.	[15:26]
davout	yo	[15:26]
trinque	asciilifeform: https://lwn.net/Articles/461236/ ?	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	mike_c https://8ch.net/btc << see what it imports from trilema.com	[15:27]
williamdunne	mike_c: could work just as well as an	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	nice one trinque	[15:27]
trinque	mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy	[15:27]
asciilifeform	trinque: 0xBDA06085493BACE4	[15:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35469 @ 0.00028515 = 10.114 BTC [+]	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561045 << please be warned about my kthx	[15:30]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: ok, i can make something like that. headed to a bbq right now, I'll get it going tonight.	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	thanks!	[15:30]
mike_c	mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: awesome work guys :)	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	mostly him.	[15:30]
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jurov	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561091 interesting	[15:32]
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Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, it so happens that $shmuck-Q is actually not a prime as well	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	nothing is a prime anymore ;/	[15:33]
asciilifeform	jurov: i was suspecting a spurious key	[15:33]
asciilifeform	or corrupt sks	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	interesting.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	anyone feel like running a -v -v over the thing ?	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	curious what the actually useful output is.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561049 << also this.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	seems the guy was maybe being attacked or something ?	[15:36]
asciilifeform	http://dpaste.com/3R5JRKD.txt << i get this	[15:36]
jurov	double verbose: http://live.coinbr.com/images/hpa.txt	[15:36]
asciilifeform	me thinks we may have found a mouse hill.	[15:37]
asciilifeform	who's got the mouse spray	[15:37]
d34th	asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/218K4BV.txt	[15:38]
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mircea_popescu	so this is a manufactured subkey that was somehow uploaded to sks and merged into the guy's key but not necessarily used or even issued by him ?	[15:40]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561158	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	incidentally... how likely is it that this behaviour is emergent, which is to say, you can't import the weak key ANYMORE ?	[15:42]
trinque	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3XT5Z9F.txt	[15:42]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	possible at all even ?	[15:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: quite possibly it was diddled -in order to- create this effect.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	hm	[15:43]
asciilifeform	then again, what would they gain ?	[15:43]
asciilifeform	the subkey is skipped	[15:43]
asciilifeform	so what	[15:43]
asciilifeform	the rest of it gets sucked in	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	how would i know that	[15:43]
asciilifeform	anything anvin signs with his actual key, should still validate	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	no idea.	[15:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00028395 = 7.6383 BTC [-] {2}	[15:43]
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trinque	jurov: so yours imported the subkey?	[15:46]
jurov	no, rejected, scroll to the bottom	[15:47]
trinque	ah I see it; different output than mine	[15:47]
jurov	i asked it to be twice as verbose	[15:47]
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trinque	yeah I did -v -v	[15:48]
trinque	maybe different versions	[15:48]
asciilifeform	at the moment it looks like sks bit rot is responsible	[15:48]
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asciilifeform	anybody got his original published key ?	[15:48]
asciilifeform	the one for which the sigs verify	[15:48]
asciilifeform	(anvin's)	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	^	[15:49]
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mircea_popescu	!up anig	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	because we have a year-old snapshot and it doesn't look different.	[15:49]
asciilifeform	(and we haven't even begun the other 3 poor schmucks)	[15:49]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i wonder if this is reproducible, make sks servers display random data as people's subkeys.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	definitely not what's expected from / implied by the listings, but who knows.	[15:50]
asciilifeform	seems like a bit of a tall order to believe that anvin was struck by a lucky cosmic ray	[15:50]
asciilifeform	this 'uncle' is 'too rich' to die a natural death	[15:51]
asciilifeform	too many hungry heirs	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	even from a purely operational standpoint - it'd seem sks servers have all the interest in the world to reject such broken keys rather than publish them, carry them in db etc	[15:51]
asciilifeform	afaik they don't check	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	weird.	[15:51]
asciilifeform	(if anyone can disprove this, please wake me up)	[15:51]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: we're #1 on hn btw	[15:51]
mxtm	wow	[15:52]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561179	[15:52]
mxtm	noice	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	couldn't have happened to better people.	[15:52]
asciilifeform	'Here's what's going on: There are a number of keys on the keyservers that are faulty copies of real keys - they share most of the values, but have some errors. I don't exactly know why that is happening, but I assume it's because of network transmission errors or server crashes during transmissions. These keys don't really do any harm. ...'	[15:52]
asciilifeform	l0l	[15:52]
mxtm	wat	[15:53]
asciilifeform	https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/262 <<< aaad we got a plagiarist	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	i am not sure how much of this to believe.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so what exactly is this, ft meade damage control ?	[15:53]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[15:54]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916	[15:54]
asciilifeform	fuck	[15:54]
asciilifeform	'04-06-2014 00:08:26 BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.'	[15:54]
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assbot	Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	!up irkki	[15:54]
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mats	assbot lives	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	slow, but here.	[15:55]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561212	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol dude's story is that he's replicated the results of phuctor since late march ?	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	mmmmkay.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	brave of him to come out like that lol.	[15:57]
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mats	hello visitors	[16:02]
kakobrekla	prolly ddosed to moon	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	strange, our fortress has a moat, provided free of charge by "the enemy"	[16:02]
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tmp6548	Hi all	[16:03]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: who is hanno's sponsor?	[16:03]
mats	http://www.codereversing.com/blog/archives/226 >> 'Nop Hopping: Hiding Functionality in Alignment'	[16:04]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: feel free to dig. i can't be bothered.	[16:04]
trinque	https://hboeck.de/	[16:04]
ben_vulpes	found that, yeah	[16:04]
asciilifeform	mats: jumping into the middle of an instruction is as old as time	[16:05]
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mircea_popescu	freelance journo/whatevs. doubt there's sponsors in the classic sense.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	mats: classic vx-er trick	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	"The results I worried about, millions of children running Windows on the OLPC, have not occurred. Instead we see millions of children running Windows on the Intel Classmate."	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	poor rms.	[16:06]
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asciilifeform	incidentally, anybody want to take the time to walk the sks set and check for 'skipped...' ?	[16:09]
asciilifeform	'there is never kitchen with single cockroach'	[16:10]
ben_vulpes	* BingoBoingo though doing an honest assessment finds a person who can reasonably keep up in a lot of #b-a convos but who can't program for shit. And honestly... training to trade punches seems much easier than learning to program on any level approaching asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, and mod6. << you could catch up to me in rather short order	[16:10]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: 'caltrop' << how does the tossing of control bits affect output?	[16:12]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: you won't see certain bytes in the output	[16:12]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i specifically warned you not to use an rs232 dongle. don't be surprised when output fails a number of tests.	[16:12]
ben_vulpes	so if the device randomly cooks up a control sequence that will get ripped out?	[16:12]
asciilifeform	at all times.	[16:12]
ben_vulpes	aha	[16:12]
asciilifeform	'everything can be as simple as possible, but not simpler' (TM) (R)	[16:13]
davout	asciilifeform mircea_popescu is the same 'skipped' behaviour observed when importing the second broken key?	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	and then, as that's ripped out, some tests will find the entropy not as good	[16:13]
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mircea_popescu	davout tis on the list of things to do, but it is a long list	[16:14]
ben_vulpes	i am not as malbec immune as davout thinks	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	!up yang	[16:14]
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yang	hi	[16:14]
mats	asciilifeform: as a new dog i must learn old tricks	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	ello	[16:14]
mats	asciilifeform: this in particular wasn't new to me but nonetheless i shared	[16:14]
ben_vulpes	mats: as a new dog i must piss on each and every electric fence	[16:14]
davout	mircea_popescu: it'd be really interesting to know, it's a gpg --recv-keys \| grep skipped away	[16:14]
mats	asciilifeform: it hurts ma ego everytiem i get a 'old fucking news'	[16:15]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: it'll be especially puzzling because you won't immediately know why it fails, given as you debiased the bits	[16:15]
asciilifeform	(you did, didntcha?)	[16:15]
ben_vulpes	workin on that part	[16:15]
asciilifeform	so the missing value in the output won't be, e.g, 13	[16:15]
asciilifeform	it'll be a pattern.	[16:15]
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mircea_popescu	davout yes but honestly i'd rather let it work some more first.	[16:15]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ben_vulpes a fine example of the perils of "whitening".	[16:16]
asciilifeform	just as i said then	[16:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: got a link to your article quoting that day's convo ?	[16:16]
asciilifeform	i've misplaced it	[16:16]
asciilifeform	the one with rs232 link	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	you can't fool mother nature. nevertheless, it is more than happy to sell you the tools by which to fool yourself.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	lemme look	[16:17]
asciilifeform	filed somewhere under s.nsa iirc	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	oh ya 1 sec	[16:17]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/#selection-771.0-773.42	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	!up xaxs	[16:17]
asciilifeform	ty mircea_popescu. that's the one.	[16:18]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes ^^^^	[16:18]
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decimation	asciilifeform: so did the sks server at one point accept anvin's key and then later bitrotted it?	[16:20]
decimation	cause I thought there was a checksum	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	this seems the most ... "nothing happened, go back to sleep"-benign theory.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	it seems tempting, tho there are sticking points. but in any case, as phuctor progresses we'll get a better idea.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	now that it has 3, 7, 11 etc in the P it will find all these.	[16:21]
decimation	doesn't the sks server check before shitting public key?	[16:21]
decimation	'oh I got a bad key'	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	more on point, would you expect they STORE bad keys ?	[16:21]
trinque	incidentally dieharder has been busted in gentoo for at least two months	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	why ? space is an issue, right ?	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	trinque how ?	[16:22]
trinque	I'm trying to figure out why it wont build	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[16:22]
decimation	apparently because of their political stance (all gpg keys must be public and stored for all time)	[16:22]
ben_vulpes	trinque: so it's not me!	[16:22]
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asciilifeform	they store them, easily enough, by never checking	[16:22]
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asciilifeform	l0l it cuts the nicks	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	decimation doesn't that stance open them to incredible ddos ?	[16:22]
decimation	heh yeah sure does	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	i mean, if the claims is accurate, what's to keep me from making anyone's sks profile 1 gb long ?	[16:22]
decimation	I don't think anything	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	full of 1mn such pubkeys ?	[16:23]
ben_vulpes	trinque: how does one go about walking the history of portage?	[16:23]
trinque	ben_vulpes: you can always build a specific version provided the ebuild is still available in portage by emerge =category-name/thing-0.1.2	[16:23]
trinque	this underscores the need to archive /usr/portage/distfiles	[16:24]
decimation	well, I guess if you want your 'roster of people' to be a combination of legal record and bathroom graffiti, they got you covered	[16:24]
asciilifeform	^	[16:24]
trinque	and probably the portage tree itself	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	decimation anyway, we'll know more / anything of actual substance once the guy himself answers.	[16:25]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561305	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	and we'll have a pretty decent picture once phuctor's done walking the set, which looks like a coupla months	[16:25]
decimation	indeed. I'm off on a home improvement project, good luck with the ramblig mob that's gonna come by	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the man has a good point.	[16:25]
asciilifeform	very much	[16:26]
asciilifeform	why not one of the guests is speaking, l0l	[16:26]
asciilifeform	all ddosed ?	[16:26]
davout	HN now displays "Why Japanese Toilets Are Failing in America (2013)" higher than this	[16:27]
trinque	lol this is now #20	[16:27]
trinque	for me	[16:27]
asciilifeform	davout: pg has an override button that is used very frequently and with scarcely any subterfuge	[16:27]
asciilifeform	(most folks know)	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	davout what diff does it make lol.	[16:28]
davout	none, just a random observation :D	[16:28]
asciilifeform	i recommend that someone who cares, snapshot the thing before it vanishes entirely	[16:28]
asciilifeform	assuming anyone cares.	[16:28]
davout	I was thinking time-decay algo	[16:28]
trinque	jumped from #1 to #20 abruptly for me	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform https://archive.is/08Ylu there	[16:29]
trinque	I've been refreshing	[16:29]
asciilifeform	neato	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	what was it that wiped an article badly leaving it still sorta-visible ?	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	was it reddit i think ?	[16:30]
asciilifeform	reddit	[16:30]
asciilifeform	re: blocksizewarz	[16:30]
asciilifeform	it was mega-lulzy	[16:30]
asciilifeform	because the 'hand of smiting' was visible	[16:31]
trinque	tendrils everywhere	[16:31]
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mircea_popescu	oh right right	[16:32]
asciilifeform	iirc there's a full copy of it on mircea_popescu's www	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	was like "we have consensus and therefore will delete your reddit thread proving the contrary. because this will totally work, you being some derps who depend on the graham lulzatron"	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	then it... didn't work.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	whether that proves the contrary, or for that matter whether the contrary needs any proof... exercise for reader.	[16:34]
ben_vulpes	https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=throwaway2391 << bobby boy do i have to smack you again?	[16:35]
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ben_vulpes	can you hear me major tom...	[16:36]
JPT	Thank you	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	sure. who're you ?	[16:37]
JPT	I decided to read along a little since it got to me that some rsa keys were broken ;)	[16:37]
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mircea_popescu	aha. enjoy.	[16:37]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561398	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[16:38]
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gribble	Current Blocks: 356889 \| Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 \| Next Difficulty In: 1958 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 52452025482.1 \| Estimated Percent Change: 7.46717	[16:38]
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mircea_popescu	so in also newsworthy : between yesterday and today there has been a shitton of hashpower added	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	enough to push the estimate up 5 points.	[16:39]
asciilifeform	any public comment on who/why ?	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	no. and obviously, "the process is inherently dirty" etc. nevertheless...	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	something came online.	[16:40]
asciilifeform	perhaps the first batch of those cable boxes.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	lol. no fucking way.	[16:40]
asciilifeform	eh howthefuck would i know. but why not.	[16:40]
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mircea_popescu	tosoon dude. how fast do you think that can be deployed.	[16:41]
asciilifeform	yesterday - if they were baked a month ago	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	not even designed yet.	[16:41]
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asciilifeform	it srsly isn't hard	[16:41]
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asciilifeform	none of this shit is hard	[16:42]
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mircea_popescu	nothing is hard. nothing gets done. ya know ?	[16:42]
trinque	lol dieharder has been rotting for a year on both redhat descendants and gentoo	[16:42]
asciilifeform	trinque: wai wat ?!	[16:42]
trinque	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=1106140	[16:42]
asciilifeform	as in, won't build at all ?	[16:42]
asciilifeform	or just as ebuild	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	trinque only terrorists would want to test their rngs.	[16:42]
trinque	yeah I'm figuring out a patch	[16:42]
davout	asciilifeform: just because something is easy for a guy with 200 IQ doesn't mean it's as easy for two dudes with 100 IQ	[16:42]
trinque	just missing an include	[16:42]
trinque	for intptr_t	[16:42]
trinque	blowing up inside glibc	[16:42]
asciilifeform	davout: no, i meant that it is actually not hard. as in, go and read definition for sha256	[16:42]
asciilifeform	not rocket surgery	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	THAT is hard.	[16:43]
davout	just teasing :D	[16:43]
trinque	asciilifeform: https://bugs.gentoo.org/531268	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	half the "literate" population can't even read trilema because "it's too hard" and words hurt their brain	[16:43]
davout	only action can be hard as only action can oppose resistance	[16:43]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they won't read it because it makes them want to eat a luger	[16:44]
asciilifeform	this is understandable	[16:44]
trinque	gotta already want to eat a luger when you find trilema :p	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	!up KeesH	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[16:44]
asciilifeform	perhaps it needs a 'cum se suge luger' article	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	you know that's to this day one of the most popular articles ? i dunno what's with them ppls.	[16:45]
trinque	ok I fixed the dieharder build on gentoo	[16:45]
asciilifeform	like my 'clojure' article aha	[16:46]
asciilifeform	trinque: congrats. post plz	[16:46]
trinque	yeah I'll make a patch	[16:46]
trinque	just missing an include	[16:46]
asciilifeform	(mine was built in '11 and never touched since)	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561212 << THAT comment needs to go. lol.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	funny how targetted them folks are.	[16:46]
asciilifeform	aha	[16:46]
asciilifeform	wondered if anyone will notice	[16:46]
ben_vulpes	most she-haters i know are womenz. << girl last night pointed out that all of her worst clients (she's a physical therapist, deals with highly athletic folks coming to terms with their now-reduced performance envelopes) are women	[16:46]
davout	oh god srsly, white on white	[16:46]
delan	mircea_popescu: grats to you and loper on factorising hpa’s key	[16:47]
delan	I really hope my keys’ factors are /actually/ prime	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	delan myeah. one shouldn't have to hope on this score, but then again here we are.	[16:47]
asciilifeform	delan: the good news is, that it remains possible to do arithmetic whether or not anyone grants permission. go and run test on your own	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	arithmetics drm, now that's an idea.	[16:47]
asciilifeform	delan: imagine, the entire 'international community' and obama himself can't stop you from running euclid.	[16:48]
asciilifeform	much as they might like to.	[16:48]
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mircea_popescu	actually, a fully-explicit "how to extract your rsa moduli as numbers, and how to test things" write-up may be a good use of someone's time.	[16:48]
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asciilifeform	it'll be a backbreaker on account of rolling in rfc2440	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	!up wowPGP	[16:48]
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asciilifeform	but if we say 'use a tool' then 'pgpdump'.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hence "may"	[16:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.0002841 = 11.1793 BTC [+] {3}	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	mopre like a training exercise for younguns looking to get shellshocked by "free software"	[16:49]
asciilifeform	iirc no extant pgptron includes this functionality	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform tbh i find the "broken in transit" explanation offered by the back to sleep camp particularly ridiculous.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	seriously, some bits got changed ? and what archive still extracted , no problem ?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	no checksums even, no crypto, nothing at all ?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	who is this supposed to persuade, exactly ?	[16:52]
davout	the real thing here would be to actually find a GPG implementation that does not run the check that leads normal ones to simply discard this key	[16:53]
delan	something fishy going on — http://puu.sh/hQVmI/b85c9c57d0.png	[16:53]
delan	probably getting nuked	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	davout how would you know it is even publicly accessible ?	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	maybe this is paort of a tandem with specific userland diddling.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	which would neatly explain why it HAS TO stay on sks servers.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	victim gets nsa-something or the other, gets the "key", etc.	[16:55]
asciilifeform	aha.	[16:55]
asciilifeform	the choice of victim is very telling	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	i meant the REAL victim.	[16:55]
asciilifeform	i should like to get a list of -everything- he 1) signed 2) public is running	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	some guy trying to do something or the other with softwasre.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform debian.	[16:55]
asciilifeform	then we have our corpse.	[16:55]
ben_vulpes	conspiraci!	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	i am definitely suspicious of this entire tower of mirrors made of shit.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	"oh, it's not really what it seems, fart fart"	[16:56]
asciilifeform	the buggers' only defence	[16:56]
asciilifeform	is the fart cloud.	[16:56]
asciilifeform	expect it to thicken, thicken.	[16:57]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, im not entirely sure we might ever see the diddled gpg that goes with this didlded key to produce anything interesting	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	but if we do see it, im definitely publishing the story.	[16:57]
davout	mircea_popescu: yup, not saying it's possible, saying that would be definitive proof	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	it would be, yes, if it were to somehow be found.	[16:57]
asciilifeform	actually the necessary diddle would be small:	[16:58]
asciilifeform	anything that doesn't check self-sigs.	[16:58]
davout	yep, not saying anything more	[16:58]
asciilifeform	probably includes at least one 'www-based' pgptron	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, i suspect it's more subtle than that.	[16:58]
asciilifeform	subtle bug triggered by really terrible keys?	[16:58]
asciilifeform	also possible	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	there's a long tradition of "must fail to pass" bullshit seen in the wild, and allegedly not originated by nsa	[16:58]
asciilifeform	perhaps even remote exec	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	for all you know this is the magic packet required to X.	[16:59]
asciilifeform	somebody wanna copy cryptome on this ?	[16:59]
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mircea_popescu	im letting things settle for a day and plan to write a follow-up.	[17:00]
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asciilifeform	speaking of which, mega-l0l (unrelated) - http://cryptome.org/2015/05/william-mcneilly.pdf	[17:00]
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asciilifeform	'This contains references to CB8890: The instructions for the safety and security of the Trident II D5	[17:00]
asciilifeform	strategic weapon system. I'm sure all the Strategic Weapon System (SWS) personnel are scratching	[17:00]
asciilifeform	their heads and wondering how I'm writing this on my personnel laptop and referencing a book,	[17:00]
asciilifeform	which is contained within a safe in the Missile Control Centre (MCC). The MCC is the	[17:00]
asciilifeform	compartment used to control the launch of the nuclear missiles. It can only be accessed by people	[17:00]
asciilifeform	on the access list, and no personnel electronics are allowed. I was on the access list but how could I	[17:01]
trinque	asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1XXN25S.txt << nothing too crazy	[17:01]
asciilifeform	have gotten a copy of every single chapter on to my phone? A hidden camera? No. Smuggled the	[17:01]
asciilifeform	book out then filmed it? No. What I did was walk into a room were no recording devices are	[17:01]
asciilifeform	allowed. I sat down; took my Samsung Galaxy SII (white) out of my pocket, and recorded the entire	[17:01]
asciilifeform	book word for word. I held the phone still, about a foot in front of my face and anyone who looked	[17:01]
asciilifeform	at the screen or used common sense, would've seen I was recording. There were other SWS	[17:01]
asciilifeform	personnel in the room; in the video you can see a SWS JR about 3 feet in front of me talking to	[17:01]
asciilifeform	another SWS JR sitting right beside me.'	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	so do they actually work ?	[17:02]
asciilifeform	trinque: neat	[17:02]
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asciilifeform	trinque: consider contacting the maintainers	[17:02]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: no idea how genuine the text, but riotously funny	[17:03]
trinque	asciilifeform: yeah I'll bother the ebuild guy for this	[17:03]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu et al: http://dpaste.com/00YX117 << plain txt	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	trinque is this like the only bit of c code deployed without stdint ? i wonder if he had a reason	[17:06]
asciilifeform	^^ recced to all. hilarious turd	[17:07]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, i know of no better proof that the "atomic weapons not actually militarily useful" than this sort of perennial wank.	[17:09]
trinque	mircea_popescu: seems it might've worked against an older glibc	[17:09]
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trinque	which perhaps implicitly included that?	[17:09]
trinque	I know not.	[17:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tard.png << glorious fan mail	[17:09]
trinque	lol?!	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform useless without sender field ; uninteresting if it's anything but sam altman	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	i'd have added "or one of his harem slaves" but iirc he's a twink	[17:11]
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mircea_popescu	but since we're doing random anon lulz, https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#187	[17:12]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: going by the style, it's our old phriend, mr spam	[17:12]
asciilifeform	post on loper-os.org updated to include tard.png	[17:12]
trinque	ye gods the autism	[17:13]
ben_vulpes	that's some top kek	[17:13]
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asciilifeform	buysometime42@gmail.com	[17:13]
asciilifeform	throwaway	[17:13]
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mircea_popescu	how the system can’t pass tests to show it could’ve launched ha!	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	!up tuxforce	[17:13]
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ben_vulpes	gotta be ninjashogun	[17:14]
asciilifeform	the sheer mental breakage required to waste one's time so.	[17:14]
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asciilifeform	in other news, we got another.	[17:15]
ben_vulpes	"Not known to me -> No." << omg	[17:15]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu you have mail.	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114220 << republished it jic	[17:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this new one's a dev too.	[17:20]
asciilifeform	check him out	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	9. for crying out loud, NOT EVEN SINGLE USE.	[17:21]
asciilifeform	well, 3	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	this, if indeed reflective of an implementation error, shows an entirely different bug	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	you should check to make sure yo udon't use the same prime TWICE	[17:21]
asciilifeform	incidentally, this is consistent with 'cosmic rays'	[17:21]
asciilifeform	a number with flipped bit is likely to be divisible by smallint	[17:21]
trinque	lol, article's at #28 now with way more points than those above	[17:22]
trinque	there are older articles with fewer points above	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	doubleplusungood article!	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	what i don't get is, how exactly you reproduce this ? i can't seem to make sks server to accept extra, unsigned subkeys from anyone.	[17:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this one's another 'invalid subkey...'	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	moreover, the way it presents the blob is as a single, shares pgp key blob	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	so can anyone get a key server, no matter which, to somehow swallow up an extra subkey for an existing key ?	[17:27]
asciilifeform	evidently	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[17:28]
asciilifeform	the entire blob, notice, as per rfc2440/4880, is not in any way hashed	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[17:28]
asciilifeform	the way you do it is 1) take existing 2) feed in place of old	[17:28]
asciilifeform	it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	i must be doing something wrong then	[17:28]
trinque	and articles are moving around it, yet it stays where it's pinned	[17:31]
trinque	#1 -> #20 -> #28	[17:31]
trinque	hilarious	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	"We are at war, with a new kind of enemy. The terrorists have infiltrated every nation on our planet." tsk tsk now how would will mcneilly know this.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	trinque it is pretty lulzy.	[17:32]
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BingoBoingo	What a fucking morning to sleep in !!! Digesting Convos around Phuctor's discovery and writing up some news.	[17:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00028283 = 6.3071 BTC [-]	[17:34]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561595	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol you slept with lady luck eh ?	[17:35]
asciilifeform	l0l reddit broken	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	aww, links beleeted again ?	[17:36]
asciilifeform	nah just overload	[17:36]
asciilifeform	i expect it'll all be memory-holed shortly.	[17:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, downside of sleeping in is I missed a timely annoucement of keys shattering. On the plus side Am I reading it right, that the pattern seems to be various sorts of strongset people have these weak keys, almost exclusively?	[17:37]
asciilifeform	after folks start going 'snore, it's just another gnu dev with b0rk3d key'	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/8dQXf https://archive.is/couZ1 https://archive.is/0CuN2 if anyone gives a shit at some point	[17:38]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: a few folks appear to have bit-corrupted keys on sks	[17:38]
trinque	I'm about as amazed with how rapidly the various "news" sites can respond to this	[17:38]
trinque	by respond I mean bury	[17:38]
asciilifeform	(nothing, afaik, has been signed publicly with them)	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the official story seems to be that keys got accidentally.	[17:38]
asciilifeform	accidentally gnu devs aha	[17:38]
BingoBoingo	But this accidentally seems to mostly affect a certain kind of person	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	so far at least.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	trinque within the hour. not so terribru.	[17:39]
asciilifeform	#2 is small change	[17:39]
asciilifeform	(though he programs)	[17:39]
asciilifeform	#1 and #3 - not so much	[17:39]
asciilifeform	their factor-counterparts, i do not yet know	[17:40]
asciilifeform	but of them, there are also 3.	[17:40]
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mircea_popescu	the only thing certain at this point being - that phuctor was definitely worth doing.	[17:41]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561613	[17:41]
asciilifeform	^ more from the psych ward	[17:41]
asciilifeform	who's got the 'thorazine'	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	and perhaps also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134795	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform reading that thread past this point is for the intel dept / specialists.	[17:42]
asciilifeform	for the psychiatrists.	[17:42]
asciilifeform	imho ninjasp4mz0r could benefit from some psych care	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	"It's harder to get into most nightclubs than it is to get into the Green Area." lulz.	[17:42]
trinque	hahahahaha	[17:43]
trinque	oh man	[17:43]
trinque	it went to #31	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i suppose the "i am using a new id because i am affraid of consequences" is a stirctly speaking correct restatement of "i am not using my old ids because i keep making a fool of myself"	[17:43]
trinque	which is the first of the next page	[17:44]
trinque	this is rich	[17:44]
asciilifeform	so far no one has volunteered a sample of material signed with any of these keys.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	yeah that'd be good.	[17:44]
asciilifeform	though, at this point, anyone - incl. a stray dog - could produce some	[17:44]
asciilifeform	(we did factor them after all...)	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform with one. not with the other two.	[17:44]
asciilifeform	eh the enemy can be presumed to have real-time access to the output	[17:45]
asciilifeform	if the box had been stolen for the purpose of planting a bug	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	i r has my doubts but anyway	[17:45]
asciilifeform	(or, more likely, rerouting permanently through his)	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	dja want a diff box ?	[17:46]
asciilifeform	nah, basic problem remains	[17:46]
asciilifeform	any box you or i didn't plant key on by hand, and retain continuous access to, can be presumed to have been raped	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	yeah well. it is after all teh internet.	[17:47]
asciilifeform	(depending on whether it was appetizing. which phuctor, now, is.)	[17:47]
asciilifeform	the best thing is to have this kind of thing going in some distributed fashion	[17:48]
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asciilifeform	any student could build 'phuctor'	[17:48]
asciilifeform	(distributed not in the 'faster' sense - it cannot be - but the 'remove single juicy target' sense)	[17:48]
asciilifeform	oughta be part of ordinary keyserv practice.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	people dun wanna werk tho.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	people wanna sperg all day on "social media" and "attract investors".	[17:49]
asciilifeform	those aren't people.	[17:49]
trinque	seems this is actually glibc fuckery re: dieharder	[17:49]
asciilifeform	trinque: ??	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	Zoe Quinn is the role model, dumbass made a "game" that wouldn't have passed muster in the early sierra adventure games	[17:49]
trinque	asciilifeform: unistd.h uses intptr_t within, yet does not include stdint.h	[17:50]
asciilifeform	trinque: i've run into this kind of thing on several occasions.	[17:51]
asciilifeform	not yet sure what to make of it.	[17:51]
trinque	"whatever used this also had an include for stdint.h so who cares" ?	[17:51]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-No,-nobody-has-factored-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html if you care.	[17:52]
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trinque	"I assume they are produced by network errors, harddisk failures or software bugs. It may also be that someone just created them in some experiment."	[17:54]
trinque	ahahaha	[17:54]
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mircea_popescu	trinque imagine if "network errors, harddisk failures" worked this way.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	it'd stop warez dead in its tracks, seeing how you couldn't watch any movie or anything.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	but yes, software bugs. now that we got to software bugs...	[17:56]
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mircea_popescu	!up beautyon	[17:58]
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mircea_popescu	the instructor said don't touch anything. A crew member responded by saying “it doesn't matter none of it works anyway, you can touch what you want.”	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	bwahgaha	[18:00]
danielpbarron	>> There is a service called Phunctor where you can upload a key and it'll check it against a set of known vulnerable moduli.	[18:01]
trinque	now #93 lol	[18:04]
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trinque	criminals everywhere.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	i updated the article to lulz a little at the ydumbinator crew	[18:05]
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trinque	https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531268	[18:07]
trinque	guy sends me to go bother whoever can fix glibc	[18:07]
trinque	and I will, if only as an exercise in whether it's actually possible to get something fixed in glibc	[18:08]
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ben_vulpes	"Someone handed you an ebuild, and you don't know what to do with it? Fear not, for here be instructions!" << docs with a dash of humor	[18:12]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134624 <<< i'll defer to BingoBoingo for this story, i sorta grasp the situation but not really enough to do a story justice	[18:14]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 16:10:13; mircea_popescu: achtung BingoBoingo cazalla : phuctor broke a rsa.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	!up prx	[18:14]
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prx	thx mircea_popescu	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	trinque we were looking for someone to fix glibc earlier too	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	for the libnss debacle.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	there is theoretical support, but in practice the lists seem dead and i have nfi who can even undertake that beast of a task	[18:15]
prx	just wanted to see myself what's up here with those insane broken keys	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	prx log's in the topic.	[18:15]
prx	mircea_popescu: yep, thx. I'll stay here forlivestuff, if that's fine with you guys	[18:16]
trinque	https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549754	[18:16]
trinque	tragedy of the commons; everyone fucks glibc and no one pays her medical bills	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	prx sure	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135377 < if this were the case i should also be able to replace your key with mine. doesn't seem that works tho	[18:17]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 20:24:41; asciilifeform: it will update, because - evidently - there is no mechanism whereby the update would be rejected.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	prx are you getting flooded btw ? some people complaied.	[18:18]
prx	mircea_popescu: Not yet, will yell if it pops up.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	been some internet tough guy months ago "destroying us" by flooding noobs, but i had thought he gave up meanwhile.	[18:19]
prx	So you're on someones hatelist :)	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	ah, plenty of people.	[18:20]
ben_vulpes	the more the merrier...	[18:21]
prx	Having the right enemies might be more interesting than having the wrong friends	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema sec waxman	[18:22]
gribble	Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; The SEC asked this Romanian Bitcoin CEO for private data to probe ...: ; MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges ...: (1 more message)	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	can start there lawls.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134581 << amusingly enough, that 0.02 is obviously the house. nobody took the opposing side.	[18:24]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 14:42:17; mats: i loled. 1.08btc on 0.02btc	[18:24]
asciilifeform	omfg the idiocy.	[18:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: let's post all 3	[18:24]
asciilifeform	so we can put the 'cosmic rays' folks to rest.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	the wicked may never rest.	[18:26]
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mircea_popescu	win ?	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	!up alphonse23_	[18:30]
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alphonse23_	thanks	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	aha. who're you ?	[18:31]
alphonse23_	I came because of the 4096-rsa article	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[18:32]
alphonse23_	mostly curious why HN would care to hide the story?	[18:32]
alphonse23_	but from the article it was reported here.	[18:32]
davout	re the bitbet, this guy had it: "So I can still drop bad keys on purpose? Or key had to be added before announcing this bet?"	[18:32]
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trinque	alphonse23_: interesting, eh? it plummeted from #1 very strangely	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	graham, altman &co are butthurt because we regularly mock their "venture capitalism" ? i dunno	[18:33]
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alphonse23_	HN has changed a lot in the pass few months	[18:33]
alphonse23_	it's a lot more heavily moderated	[18:33]
alphonse23_	i've been going there daily for years, and I've noticed the change	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	davout that bet promises to be a conundrum to resolve.	[18:33]
davout	no shit	[18:33]
alphonse23_	but this, the mod manipulating titles -- for whatever reason. There's ton of down voting too.	[18:34]
alphonse23_	it's like, their in league with the NSA now or something...	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	eh, their site, they can do whatever they please.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	i don't personally use it.	[18:35]
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davout	the bet was misworded from the beginning, had someone intentionally created a set of shitty keys and fed the to the phuctor, it would resolve as yes	[18:35]
davout	the title diddling on HN is documented in the comments actually	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	the conundrum is more along the lines of "what constitutes a key"	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	alphonse23_ anyway, the mistake here is for members of the public naive enough to imagine conde nast / ycombinator / etc sites represent anything but the alt-reality their owners have a financial interest in.	[18:36]
davout	that's the easy part i think "anything recognized as such by asset's favorite gnupg version"	[18:36]
trinque	this guy's making me write a test program to fix an include in glibc	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	they will farm said naive members of the public for free content, yes.	[18:36]
trinque	lol	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	but that's as far as it goes.	[18:36]
trinque	it's plainly visible looking at the header itself	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	davout then i suppose it's not broken yet ?	[18:37]
davout	mircea_popescu: well, if i craft a key whose factors are 1 and 3, theoretically it's a valid gpg key	[18:37]
davout	if i then submit a key whose factors are 3 and 5	[18:38]
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davout	phuxxored they are, to yes the bet should resolve	[18:38]
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mircea_popescu	davout yes, had you done it afore the bet i guess.	[18:38]
alphonse23_	mircea_popescu: but to do it so openly, how does that not hurt them.	[18:38]
davout	mircea_popescu: right, the bet does specify the number of moduli to test	[18:38]
joshbuddy	hiya, just hanging out after reading the hilarious rsa key blog post by .. umm you	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	alphonse23_ whom has heardbleed hurt ?	[18:39]
alphonse23_	so where the hell do I get my tech news from. Reddit? they Y combinator owns them too.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	joshbuddy enjoy.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	alphonse23_ once gossipd is done, i guess there.	[18:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47155 @ 0.00028062 = 13.2326 BTC [+] {3}	[18:39]
alphonse23_	"MQTT broker in golang" first time hearing about it	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	!s gossipd	[18:41]
assbot	103 results for 'gossipd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossipd	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	alphonse23_ an ad-interim solution is of course variety. there's qntra doing bitcoin news. there's 8chan doing all sorts of things.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	the man of one book, like the man of one site, is never too close to truth	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134618 << seeing how the factors so far have been 3, 7 and 11... i imagine all the truely bad keys will be in one of those (possibly most/all of those) groups	[18:44]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 15:59:46; adlai: jurov: yes, at least two keys need to have a primer in common. had phuctor run over the keys in reverse order, it would've found the other chump first	[18:44]
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alphonse23_	sure. it just a shame. hacker news was a real gem back in the day. I'm sure it's inevitable, as things become more mainstream, they get too political, and less honest. Now I have to go out a find good honest news from somewhere underground.	[18:44]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] lords of cascadia - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/17_lords-of-cascadia.html	[18:45]
ben_vulpes	september forever	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	just the way that goes.	[18:45]
ben_vulpes	I like walking and that is about it as far as exercise goes. << i'm on this minimal time workout kick lately	[18:47]
ben_vulpes	put 20lbs of bricks in backpack, bike to 'mountain', park bike at base of tabor (http://www.communitywalk.com/map/list/394038?order=0), brick up stairs twice, roll back to office	[18:48]
ben_vulpes	got it down to 35 minutes.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	sounds like you're a pashtun training for marriage	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	(the kidnapping 13 yo bride part)	[18:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35574 @ 0.00028595 = 10.1724 BTC [+] {2}	[18:49]
ben_vulpes	i thought that was a family activity	[18:50]
ben_vulpes	(because malnutrition?)	[18:51]
ben_vulpes	http://www.ap-linux.com/ << why does this need to be its own distro?	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	other than because some she-geeks are cute and people try to hit on them with "hy babyy i r maek distro" ?	[18:51]
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ben_vulpes	DreadKnight: how's the game coming?	[18:56]
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trinque	https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549754 << specific incantation that breaks the glibc headers	[19:05]
ben_vulpes	i'm getting the impression with gentoo that i should copy the dieharder source into mydiehardfork overlay and then emerge mydiehard fork - how wrong is this?	[19:08]
trinque	ben_vulpes: probably faster than waiting for a glibc fix :^)	[19:08]
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ben_vulpes	lol yeah that's indeed the conclusion i came to	[19:08]
trinque	yeah that's right, put your own hand-carved ebuilds in your local overlay	[19:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47990 @ 0.00027705 = 13.2956 BTC [-] {2}	[19:13]
jurov	jus' looking on code path that produces the "invalid subkey binding" message, found this:	[19:19]
jurov	http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=blob;f=g10/sig-check.c;h=fc5e1fa41ac6d4414bbc2ffa3ffc695b02d70749;hb=be136273454532d94a955fbbcfa1544b47cad954#l609	[19:19]
jurov	/* does this make sense????? */	[19:19]
jurov	not implying anything, only found the commnt lulzy	[19:20]
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mircea_popescu	!up zlrth	[19:21]
-assbot-	You voiced zlrth for 30 minutes.	[19:21]
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mircea_popescu	looking in there is the right thing jurov so props.	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	http://blog.fefe.de/ < i think this guy was here earlier ?	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	"Proudly made without PHP, Java, Perl, MySQL and Postgres"	[19:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00027703 = 10.4025 BTC [-]	[19:23]
ben_vulpes	confirmed for being in over my head with overlays	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	also Heilige Scheiße has a nice ring to it.	[19:23]
ben_vulpes	so is qntra not writing up the gpbacle?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	iirc BingoBoingo is working in it	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	copypaste any idea why https://8ch.net/btc/res/183.html#183 yields a 404 when one clicks reply ?	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114226 "Because Phuctor shows me an Internal Server Error when I try to test a key."	[19:34]
ben_vulpes	!up DreadKnight	[19:36]
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ben_vulpes	there ya go	[19:36]
DreadKnight	yey, cheers	[19:36]
DreadKnight	usually too lazy to do the whole thing manually	[19:36]
DreadKnight	regarding the game, polishing documentation and preparing some a crowd funding	[19:37]
DreadKnight	if I secure a bit of cash, things will run smoothly	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561547 << check it out, people were doing lectures at stanford about phuctor, omitting to mention phuctor.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	i'm looking forward to all the gavin lectures about the perils of larger blocksizes. also at stanford.	[19:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00028352 = 1.5027 BTC [+]	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	pushed by someone with... a keybase.io account.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	because ofcourse.	[19:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00028602 = 11.4122 BTC [+]	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	bitrated.com/zmanian/ << there's even a chump wot and everything	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	no doubt, ALSO lectured about at stanford.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	also made in march	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	also etc etc etc.	[19:40]
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ben_vulpes	DreadKnight: whaddaya need the funding for? i thought you wrote the thing yourself.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	!up Humean	[19:45]
-assbot-	You voiced Humean for 30 minutes.	[19:45]
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trinque	ben_vulpes: pssh, those sweet office chairs with 5-way lumbar support for one	[19:45]
Humean	woah neat i feel special	[19:45]
Humean	thanks assbot	[19:46]
ben_vulpes	trinque: keep laughing, you'll be renting a desk soon	[19:46]
trinque	ben_vulpes: oh don't misunderstand, I am a big fan of the 5-way lumbar support	[19:46]
ben_vulpes	we rearranged the deck chairs last week, place feels almost like humans and not nerds	[19:46]
trinque	fancy	[19:46]
trinque	and I hear there's not one cat on the premises	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	NO FUCKING CATS.	[19:47]
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ben_vulpes	!up evhan	[19:49]
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mircea_popescu	aite ima be out for a while. laters.	[19:49]
mats	http://nypost.com/2015/05/17/al-sharptons-daughter-sues-city-for-5m-after-spraining-ankle/	[19:50]
evhan	ty ben_vulpes	[19:50]
ben_vulpes	what brings you by, evhan?	[19:50]
evhan	Mention on loper-os, swung by out of curiosity.	[19:52]
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DreadKnight	ben_vulpes, didn't coded the gameplay, it's a bit above my skill level; anyway, even if I did 100% of the thing, would still need funding	[19:52]
ben_vulpes	serenissima runs on slave labor	[19:53]
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DreadKnight	the republic of Venice?	[19:54]
DreadKnight	the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD	[19:55]
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ben_vulpes	that last 10% is more expensive than anyone ever expects	[19:58]
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DreadKnight	there's sure something strange going on when it comes to the last few steps	[20:01]
ben_vulpes	why would people work on it for free?	[20:01]
DreadKnight	we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps	[20:02]
DreadKnight	well, there are quite a few reasons, crediting (name/link), experience, the joy of contributing to something bigger just to name a few	[20:03]
DreadKnight	the other day found out that a cg animation series done in blender by just one dude used quite a few of the creatures from my project :)	[20:04]
ben_vulpes	heh	[20:04]
decimation	there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a	[20:04]
DreadKnight	the project itself is free, so this stuff is allowed provided crediting is done	[20:05]
decimation	that hboeck link is top on hn now	[20:05]
trinque	decimation: fancy that eh?	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	DreadKnight: i thought the thing was supposed to make money?	[20:06]
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trinque	decimation: got there quick too	[20:06]
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ben_vulpes	!up DreadKnight	[20:07]
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ben_vulpes	lol	[20:07]
DreadKnight	xD	[20:07]
DreadKnight	even if something is free, it can still make money	[20:08]
decimation	I thought ninjashogun was one of the h-n mods?	[20:08]
DreadKnight	gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft	[20:08]
ben_vulpes	decimation: in his dreams	[20:08]
ben_vulpes	DreadKnight: every single one of those companies pays their employees.	[20:10]
ben_vulpes	people working for a link or publicity need to have some sort of assurance that their time so spent is going to yield a return.	[20:10]
ben_vulpes	(i mean, everyone does, right? for every thing that we do.)	[20:10]
trinque	DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs	[20:11]
DreadKnight	ben_vulpes, a return is not always needed, some people do things for passion or practice; there are quite a few nice free open source games out there and software, most likely the browser you are making is done half by unpaid contributors	[20:12]
DreadKnight	trinque, the ad crap is my last option	[20:12]
ben_vulpes	i'm just trying to point out why you're having problems retaining horsepower is all	[20:13]
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ben_vulpes	just because she doesn't care about her boyfriend around that other guy doesn't mean diddly when it comes to your desire to get up her skirt	[20:14]
DreadKnight	ben_vulpes, yeah, I'm aware, that's why it's perfectly fine to pay people to work on open source and it's why I need some funding or get better at coding	[20:14]
DreadKnight	anyway, I partnered up with a coder this year, will see how that goes in the long run	[20:15]
williamdunne	>Forget MPEX. The best/most reliable stock exchange is, by far, BTCT.CO.	[20:15]
ben_vulpes	!up pete_dushenski	[20:15]
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ben_vulpes	good afternoon, pete	[20:15]
pete_dushenski	afternoon ben_vulpes !	[20:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00028602 = 15.0017 BTC [+]	[20:16]
ben_vulpes	following the key drama?	[20:16]
pete_dushenski	and a big pacific howdy from the coast !	[20:16]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes indeed. just catching up on it.	[20:17]
decimation	pete_dushenski: where are you at? vancouver?	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	i tested and re-tested my key a few times already	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	decimation even better : victoria	[20:17]
ben_vulpes	ah vbc is byootiful	[20:17]
ben_vulpes	ferry's fucking expensive, though.	[20:17]
decimation	yeah I've been through there, I wouldn't mind going back	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes ya not cheap eh	[20:18]
ben_vulpes	well, en velo...	[20:18]
ben_vulpes	on?	[20:18]
ben_vulpes	how would i say "on bike" in french?	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	decimation it's quite the place. not quite summer here yet tho. still only 16-18C during the day.	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes sur velo ?	[20:18]
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pete_dushenski	no, par velo	[20:19]
pete_dushenski	"by bike"	[20:19]
ben_vulpes	davout:	[20:19]
pete_dushenski	"sur" is too literal of a translation from english, "par bicyclete" even.	[20:19]
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decimation	I don't think it ever gets too hot there?	[20:20]
decimation	the pacific moderates	[20:21]
mxtm	pete_dushenski: spanish uses en for "by" in cases of transportation	[20:21]
mxtm	which translates "in/on"	[20:21]
mxtm	fwiw	[20:21]
decimation	https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-About-the-supposed-factoring-of-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html#comments < heh the hboeck guy admits he doesn't really know of which he speaks	[20:21]
pete_dushenski	en carro, sure.	[20:21]
mxtm	en bici, etcétera	[20:21]
pete_dushenski	mxtm aha. sounds like anglocization but what do i know.	[20:22]
mxtm	i dunno either	[20:22]
pete_dushenski	decimation who's the hboeck guy again ?	[20:23]
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trinque	pete_dushenski: the guy who ended up top comment on the HN post	[20:25]
trinque	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9560790	[20:25]
pete_dushenski	ahaha mr. "i'm almost certain"	[20:25]
williamdunne	I'm pretty sure the internet was invented for two purposes, selling drugs and pretending to know stuff you don't	[20:28]
williamdunne	Anything outside of that is just abusing the tech	[20:28]
decimation	asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561764 < lol you butthurt the mr. spam mod	[20:31]
pete_dushenski	williamdunne except... the internet sucks for drugs. mp has an ancient essay on the matter.	[20:31]
decimation	pete_dushenski: mircea's 'story' on hacker news was quickly demoted to well below visibile for most folks	[20:31]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Wasn't the first transaction ever completed on the internet the purchase of weed?	[20:32]
decimation	meanwhile this guy (hboeck) has a post that pretty much says "nothing to worry about", and is promoted to #1	[20:32]
pete_dushenski	williamdunne http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/	[20:32]
pete_dushenski	decimation lulzy.	[20:32]
pete_dushenski	williamdunne the first transaction was knowledge, no ?	[20:33]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Trade then	[20:38]
williamdunne	Okay	[20:38]
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williamdunne	Read the article, and I still don't see how that makes it bad for the last mile	[20:38]
williamdunne	Obviously 10 tonnes of cocaine isn't going to be carried by FedEx	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	for one, fedex doesn't hire its submersibles out yet	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	people aren't even supposed to know those exist	[20:40]
pete_dushenski	williamdunne i really have nfi what the first trade was. if you say it's weed, we'll go with that, but that doesn't mean that first=best	[20:43]
williamdunne	Very trye	[20:44]
williamdunne	*true	[20:44]
williamdunne	ben_vulpes: Family friend is working on something kinda cool for the other side	[20:44]
williamdunne	Well, owns the company doing it	[20:44]
ben_vulpes	what does "kinda cool" mean	[20:44]
ben_vulpes	last mile delivery?	[20:45]
williamdunne	Its a line of speedboats that can go underwater on command without any real preparation to collect drugs dropped from boats	[20:45]
williamdunne	For the coast guard to stop drug smugglers	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00028602 = 16.5463 BTC [+]	[20:45]
williamdunne	Disagree with the cause, but pretty cool project IMIO	[20:45]
ben_vulpes	excellent bezzletron	[20:45]
ben_vulpes	won't work, wrong target etc	[20:46]
ben_vulpes	but if they're draining derpbuxx from the beast more power to 'em	[20:46]
williamdunne	Government contracts don't need to work	[20:46]
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ben_vulpes	and moreover cannot actually.	[20:46]
ben_vulpes	!up pete_dushenski	[20:46]
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pete_dushenski	cheers ben_vulpes	[20:47]
ben_vulpes	;;$(sleep 3600 && echo "!up pete_dushenski")	[20:47]
gribble	Error: "$(sleep" is not a valid command.	[20:47]
pete_dushenski	you tried !	[20:48]
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ben_vulpes	> gribble is not a tty. falling back to telnet.	[20:48]
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jurov	*gribble on fire	[20:58]
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ben_vulpes	!up pete_dushenski	[20:59]
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pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes thx!	[20:59]
ben_vulpes	de rien	[20:59]
pete_dushenski	fuckin pawn brokers in this town i tell ya	[21:00]
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ben_vulpes	?	[21:00]
pete_dushenski	you'd swear they were trying to keep their inventory for their grandchildren	[21:00]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] how to process bitcoin transactions for your webapp (or: the ghetto watch-only-wallet) - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/17_how-to-process-bitcoin-transactions-for-your-webapp-or-the-ghetto-watch-only-wallet.html	[21:00]
pete_dushenski	so i walk into a shop on the edge of chinatown and find a beautiful mid-century modern walnut table	[21:01]
pete_dushenski	complete with two leaf inserts. perfect height (tall), in good condition, only $270 !	[21:01]
pete_dushenski	so i want to ship it home, naturally.	[21:02]
pete_dushenski	no can do, they tell me.	[21:02]
pete_dushenski	all they have are cardboard boxes, no freight boxes, no shipping relationships in place, no arrangements can be made.	[21:02]
pete_dushenski	honestly, there are thousands of cruise ship tourist visiting victoria daily, and these assderps haven't figured out shipping a box 1,000km IN THE SAME COUNTRY	[21:03]
pete_dushenski	no customs, no duty, nothing complicated.	[21:03]
pete_dushenski	just basic frieght is too complicated for these people.	[21:04]
pete_dushenski	completely nuts.	[21:04]
ben_vulpes	call dhl breh	[21:04]
chetty	http://blogged.com/ search for 4096	[21:05]
chetty	the replacement story is already up hehe	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes i've used fedex freight before, they'll come pick up the package from wherever and deliver it wherever.	[21:06]
pete_dushenski	but box it up for you ? i'd be surprised.	[21:06]
ben_vulpes	your privilege is dripping on the floor	[21:07]
pete_dushenski	wtf my privilege nothing. i'm getting on a plane tmrw morning and it's not so much to ask to have a seller of goods to crate a fucking table for transport.	[21:10]
ben_vulpes	heh	[21:10]
pete_dushenski	or w/e, mebbe my privilege knows no bounds. hey, i'm not the one losing business.	[21:10]
ben_vulpes	win some lose some	[21:11]
pete_dushenski	ya, tis just a table.	[21:11]
pete_dushenski	i didn't want one that bad when i woke up, just saw the right one at the right price and wanted it.	[21:12]
pete_dushenski	ah well.	[21:12]
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ben_vulpes	mwell i'm off for a spell	[21:18]
ben_vulpes	trying out a new fried chicken joint	[21:18]
decimation	pete_dushenski: surprising. I thought those kinds of tourist shops specialized in shipping	[21:24]
pete_dushenski	decimation seriously. you'd think so, but you'd think wrong.	[21:25]
pete_dushenski	i guess there's enough local demand in this retirement town that they don't have to try.	[21:25]
pete_dushenski	very nice, seemingly helpful staff, entirely inept.	[21:25]
pete_dushenski	http://www.barclays-exchange.com << these guys.	[21:26]
pete_dushenski	"We have been in business for nearly 26 years and hold a full pawnbroking license to buy, sell and loan." << no mention of shipping eh...	[21:27]
decimation	fun fact: there's a part of vancouver, bc that is us territory (point roberts)	[21:28]
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decimation	also, victoria is well south of the canada-us border	[21:30]
danielpbarron	!up pete_dushenski	[21:32]
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pete_dushenski	danielpbarron ty!	[21:32]
pete_dushenski	decimation that it is. though victoria feels like a million miles away from us-istan.	[21:33]
decimation	heh. I guess I can see why a pawn shop wouldn't bother with shipping	[21:34]
pete_dushenski	decimation why's that ?	[21:35]
decimation	I suppose they figure enough derps would come and go on foot	[21:35]
decimation	but I imagine that they could sell on the internet for $$	[21:35]
decimation	their website is unwhelming	[21:36]
pete_dushenski	these guys obviously fail at the internet.	[21:37]
pete_dushenski	so shooting themselves in the foot is par for the course, i guess.	[21:37]
decimation	pete_dushenski: are you planing on visiting any other outlying islands or the rest of bc from there?	[21:38]
pete_dushenski	not this time 'round.	[21:38]
pete_dushenski	i've seen most of bc previously, just hadn't been to vic in a while.	[21:39]
pete_dushenski	i went to summer camp nearby in my youth	[21:39]
pete_dushenski	http://campmiriam.org << this one.	[21:40]
pete_dushenski	sacha baron cohen went to another camp in the same organisation ;)	[21:41]
decimation	heh did they teach hebrew?	[21:41]
pete_dushenski	more socialism.	[21:41]
pete_dushenski	seriously, the shit in my veins !	[21:42]
pete_dushenski	"solidarity forever", "ticky tacky houses", etc.	[21:42]
decimation	I got screwed of out learn german from my german heritage too	[21:42]
pete_dushenski	ya, i didn't get german or romanian somehow.	[21:43]
pete_dushenski	this camp though had daily chores for like 2.5 hours.	[21:43]
pete_dushenski	camp, where you do chores, imagine.	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00028607 = 3.3041 BTC [+] {2}	[21:43]
pete_dushenski	some kids helped in teh kitchen, some cleaning garbage.	[21:44]
decimation	like, sweeping the forest?	[21:44]
decimation	sounds like a good way to save on staff costs	[21:44]
pete_dushenski	i wrote for the newspaper, wrote mad magazine-esque fake nooz	[21:45]
pete_dushenski	decimation no doubt. it wasn't that expensive, at least compared to the bbyo summer camps.	[21:46]
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mats	ever cut grass with a pair of scissors?	[21:47]
pete_dushenski	mats haha omg no. why ? have you ?	[21:47]
mats	yeah. as punishment.	[21:48]
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pete_dushenski	parents ?	[21:48]
mats	http://www.vfp62.com/IMAGES_9/mowing_grass.jpg	[21:48]
pete_dushenski	you call that grass ? i trim more manbush than that on a monthly basis.	[21:49]
mats	builds character (tm)	[21:49]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135775 <<< heh we had this even here but i'd walk off with the group which cleaned dishes the night before, never washed as much as a plate	[21:50]
assbot	Logged on 18-05-2015 00:39:54; pete_dushenski: some kids helped in teh kitchen, some cleaning garbage.	[21:50]
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mats	i spent the whole day (0900-1600) with some other trainees cutting grass at battalion hq because one of the nubs in my squad saved his granola bar from the mess hall and put it in his locker where it was discovered	[21:52]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135780 <<< did this one countless times, not as punishment though, old man forced me to do it along the fenceline so he didn't have to whippersnip it	[21:52]
assbot	Logged on 18-05-2015 00:43:05; mats: ever cut grass with a pair of scissors?	[21:52]
mats	http://terminallance.com/2015/04/10/terminal-lance-374-no-party-like-a-working-party << basically this.	[21:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27523 @ 0.00028624 = 7.8782 BTC [+]	[21:54]
mats	i drank something like 6-7 litres of water that day... missouri is hot as fuck during the summer	[21:54]
mats	cazalla: how much fence? several km?	[21:55]
cazalla	1/4 acre block	[21:55]
cazalla	wasn't just me though, he had my mother out there doing the same thing	[21:56]
danielpbarron	!up referredbyloper	[21:57]
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mats	ah	[22:00]
mats	in other news, the new Mad Max picture is quite good	[22:01]
pete_dushenski	that's a bit of a surprise.	[22:02]
mats	http://www.metacritic.com/movie/mad-max-fury-road << surprised metacritic treats it so well	[22:02]
mats	(they tend to shit on everything)	[22:02]
cazalla	aussie football ceremony lol http://gfycat.com/ThirdWeeklyChital	[22:02]
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decimation	mats http://www.returnofkings.com/63036/why-you-should-not-go-see-mad-max-feminist-road	[22:03]
danielpbarron	!up pete_dushenski	[22:03]
mats	decimation: i'm just happy to find a fun action movie that passes the Bechdel test	[22:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16821 @ 0.00028624 = 4.8148 BTC [+]	[22:06]
pete_dushenski	heh.	[22:06]
pete_dushenski	http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/10-famous-films-that-surprisingly-fail-the-bechdel-test.php?all=1	[22:07]
decimation	well, then sjw is where it's at	[22:08]
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danielpbarron	!up justJanne	[22:18]
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justJanne	Nah, I was just reading on the RSA factorization article where someone claimed this channel would still DDoS everyone who joins. Sadly I can’t see any of that (was hoping to see if it actually is true xD)	[22:19]
danielpbarron	it comes and goes	[22:20]
justJanne	I mean, I see some traffic, but it’s minimal.	[22:20]
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BingoBoingo	justJanne: It isn't anything done by any of the channel regulars. It's just some butthurt dickbag with an excess of unwarranted self importance who imagines they are saving the world by DoSing every ip they spot here	[22:21]
justJanne	Reminds me of that guy spamming a gaming channel with links to their DDoSing company	[22:22]
danielpbarron	i heard that it just targets the user who most recently joined, and especially if it is a new hostmask	[22:22]
BingoBoingo	justJanne: Well the person doing it at first called themselves the reddit police and started by DoS'ing sites affiliated with regulars here. Then the sites beefed up and weren't so easy to DoS. So now they's had to settle for messing with home internet connections.	[22:24]
justJanne	I got some traffic on my system from 159.118.187.45 accessing my server via HTTPS and sending a few thousand GET requests, but nothing really devastating	[22:24]
williamdunne	lol what a tool	[22:24]
justJanne	(I have a bouncer on my server with 1Gbps connection, so I rarely notice DDoS at all)	[22:24]
mats	he's doing us a favor.	[22:25]
BingoBoingo	People examining the traffic spotted that most of the zombies were ntp reflection and stuff anyone could walk away with, and they likely did leaving less to hit here with.	[22:25]
mats	if you read this -- please stop by for another friendly conversation	[22:25]
justJanne	I have null-routed NTP and everything anyway	[22:26]
justJanne	So, they really DDoS random people?	[22:27]
justJanne	or, rather DoS	[22:27]
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BingoBoingo	justJanne: Yeah, just anyone without a freenode cloak who joins when their spybot is online here to pull the trigger	[22:30]
justJanne	BingoBoingo: tell me when the bot is online, I’d like to analyze the traffic xD	[22:31]
adlai	is it an altcoin? is it a bubble? no, it's driveby moderation: http://hnrankings.info/9560790/	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	justJanne: I dunno what nick it uses. Never much cared to try identifying it.	[22:32]
adlai	(cf http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really-works.html )	[22:32]
justJanne	BingoBoingo: It should be easy to find.	[22:32]
danielpbarron	!s fivezerotwo	[22:34]
assbot	204 results for 'fivezerotwo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fivezerotwo	[22:34]
danielpbarron	justJanne, ^ for you	[22:34]
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danielpbarron	!s from:fuddos	[22:37]
assbot	7 results for 'from:fuddos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Afuddos	[22:37]
justJanne	Sometimes when I get DDoSd I run nmap against the attacking servers, one time I found a small IRC server with only one channel, in which were 256 clients all with just a number as name, and one other client sending specific commands every few minutes	[22:39]
justJanne	kinda interesting.	[22:39]
danielpbarron	justJanne, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-12-2014#948443	[22:40]
assbot	Logged on 08-12-2014 17:59:30; asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone bothered to read the packet dump i posted a while ago, they should know that the ddos bot uses misconfigured consumer routers (upnp reflection)	[22:40]
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danielpbarron	and this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2015#966322	[22:42]
assbot	Logged on 06-01-2015 01:32:50; asciilifeform: svetlana: i got a massive packet dump, and so has kakobrekla	[22:42]
trinque	http://hnrankings.info/9560839,9561606,9561693,9561599,9561920,9560426,9560904,9560790,9561920/	[22:42]
trinque	check out that precipitous drop	[22:42]
trinque	and the abrupt rise of the rebuttal	[22:42]
trinque	it'll be interesting to see how much longer that stays at #1	[22:44]
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williamdunne	justJanne: Thats an IRC botnet	[22:47]
williamdunne	Pretty oldschool method	[22:48]
justJanne	assumed as much, but I have no experience with them yet, and was surprised seeing one in the wild	[22:48]
*	adlai wonders whether any of the strongset edges point to the diddle	[22:48]
williamdunne	Guessing for some reason they thought it would be a swell idea to use the IRC server for additional DDoS power?	[22:48]
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williamdunne	!up justjanne	[22:50]
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justJanne	but yeah, I was kinda surprised, would have assumed they’d put the control for the botnet on a different system	[22:51]
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justJanne	at least so that one doesn’t discover their botnet that easily	[22:51]
*	BingoBoingo is now known as oglafbot	[22:52]
oglafbot	http://oglaf.com/ragtrade/	[22:52]
*	oglafbot is now known as BingoBoingo	[22:52]
justJanne	anyway, let’s wait for that DDoS-bot ;P	[22:53]
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danielpbarron	justJanne, while you're waiting, read this: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[22:57]
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justJanne	danielpbarron: looking into it, but just found out my last GPG key’s validity ends this month	[23:04]
decimation	justJanne: no problem, make a new subkey or extend the date	[23:09]
decimation	justJanne: Someone compiled a list of ips that originate dos'er	[23:09]
justJanne	Meh, too lazy to copy it from my other PC, I’ll just make a new one and sign it with my old key later	[23:10]
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decimation	you can see the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com	[23:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31396 @ 0.00028687 = 9.0066 BTC [+] {4}	[23:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00028281 = 13.886 BTC [-] {2}	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	lol janne 18yo female ? srsly ?	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	!up justJanne	[23:35]
-assbot-	You voiced justJanne for 30 minutes.	[23:35]
*	assbot gives voice to justJanne	[23:35]
justJanne	Yes, why?	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	these guys keep saying it's forbidden on irc.	[23:35]
justJanne	oh, btw, need to update that.	[23:36]
williamdunne	Hmm wonder whos younger out of me and Janne	[23:36]
justJanne	sorry, forgot to update it -.-	[23:36]
justJanne	am 19	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	that totally kills the whole thing. i bet you're not even from cali.	[23:36]
justJanne	nah, northern Germany	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	scam.	[23:37]
justJanne	just another compsci student	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	anyway, get in the wot, then you can voice.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114229 << lol check it out, ~they~ are going to ~lend me~ credence. i've been visited by backwards world wtf is with today.	[23:38]
justJanne	I am registered with assbot, but no one levelled me up yet ;P	[23:38]
cazalla	14/f/cali oldest fbi trick in the book	[23:38]
williamdunne	You need a lord to do that	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	!rate justJanne 1 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker posing as 19 yo girl on the interwebs.	[23:39]
justJanne	Nooo	[23:39]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3ce24e592e5d8bcf	[23:39]
justJanne	If you want, you can mail me on my student mail, I’m real stu120691@informatik.uni-kiel.de >_>	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.justJanne.1:44086df839c6a505edd1681e3dff4c96ffd5990b1c9abddd93c99f55a195008c	[23:39]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for justJanne with note: 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker posing as 19 yo girl on the interwebs.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	justJanne well on the plus side now you can voice.	[23:39]
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williamdunne	justJanne: I'm pretty sure a 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker would have the connections to get one of those there fancy emails	[23:40]
decimation	koennen Sie ein bisschen Deutsch schreiben?	[23:41]
justJanne	ja, wieso?	[23:41]
adlai	!t m s.mpoe	[23:42]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00026733 / 0.00027828 / 0.00028748 (2307220 shares, 642.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00023904 / 0.00026467 / 0.00029014 (38353417 shares, 10,151.15 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026548 / 0.00033918 (109094749 shares, 28,962.95 BTC)	[23:42]
decimation	bitte schreiben Sie eine Kurzbiographie?	[23:42]
adlai	is the middle number vwap?	[23:42]
williamdunne	ich habe eine gross hose schlange is about all I remember from three years of German lessons	[23:42]
williamdunne	And ich bin zwolf jahre alt	[23:43]
williamdunne	But I couldn't update that to my current age	[23:43]
justJanne	Die wird aber ganz kurz ausfallen müssen ;P Ist auch nicht viel zu sagen – Geboren in then 90ern, ganz normal Grundschule, bin mit 8 ins Hochbegabtenförderungsprogramm gekommen, hab neben der Schule interessantes Zeug gelernt, dann Gymnasium, hab mit 16 neben der Schule angefangen zu studieren, und hab mit 18 Abitur mit 2,2 gemacht. Bin seit letztem Herbst Vollstudentin ;)	[23:44]
decimation	^ sufficiently idomatic to pass the google translate test	[23:44]
justJanne	you could have just looked at my hostname ;P	[23:45]
decimation	justJanne: given your interest in this gpg episode, there is something that you could assist with	[23:45]
decimation	can you identify the supposed "german email program" that was supposedly the source of these weak keys?	[23:45]
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mircea_popescu	decimation wait, we're progressed past the "it occured while copying" to obscure email programs naoi ?	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	jeez how the world changes in a coupla hours based on what's said in b-a log, you'd think we're talking to gavin-the-handpuppet & co.	[23:47]
decimation	heh yeah lemme find a link	[23:47]
justJanne	Yeah, I probably can.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	not that we aren't, just, lulz factor.	[23:47]
decimation	it's in the comments of that article that replaced yours on hacker news https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-About-the-supposed-factoring-of-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html	[23:48]
decimation	"I don't really know, but I talked to Nadia Heninger about it and she mentioned that they were probably created by some email software only used in Germany. "	[23:48]
decimation	Note that your headline was dinged for being inaccurate, while this guy's blog is more inaccurate by his own admission	[23:49]
justJanne	That's very helpful. NOT ;P	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	herpitty derp.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to quote myself, "I will write up an article addressing this particular set of bullshit tomorrow. I promise it will be good. Engage bated breath."	[23:49]
justJanne	Hmm.	[23:50]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135600 << heh the blessed 90%. "nothing may ever get done!!1"	[23:51]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 22:51:31; DreadKnight: the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD	[23:51]
decimation	https://mvideos.stanford.edu/graduate#/SeminarDetail/Spring/2015/EE/380/9469 < this Nadia Heniger chick claims that rsa keys can be poorly generated by bad rngs (around 50:00 or so)	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135604 << confirmed romanian. "te-neci ca tiganu' la mal." implying normal people drown in blue water, but gypsies can't even do this right, they drown after almost getting to shore.	[23:53]
justJanne	decimation: that's true. RSA keygens use a probabilistic prime test.	[23:54]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 22:57:59; DreadKnight: we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps	[23:54]
justJanne	With a very bad RNG, it would tell you 2 is prime.	[23:54]
justJanne	Sorry.	[23:54]
justJanne	Meant 20	[23:54]
decimation	lol she claims that (52:41) that openssl just adds the current time of day in seconds to the entropy pool	[23:55]
justJanne	It does.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	this is (or at least was) true	[23:55]
adlai	mircea_popescu: fyi/raffs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562548	[23:55]
justJanne	Read the report on OpenSEL by the OpenBSD guys. It's a whole new level of WTF	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	"[1] He's been scraping the profiles of young women (specifically) and posting links, names, and hometowns on his blog. Yes, as technologists, we know that this kind of indexing is trivial. That's no reason, as a decent human being, to terrorize innocent people."	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck asked anon what is and isn't reason nao ?	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	backwards world srsly.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	justJanne it was in chan.	[23:56]
*	adlai considered writing some words about how security theater damages actual security, but stuck to lazy bean counting	[23:57]
justJanne	Actual security is sadly a thing that doesn't exist in critical places.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135608 << everywhere someone hopes to get something for nothing and figures govt's the answer to that quandry there's an enemy of b-a. amusingly, this boils down to really very few people and traceably so.	[23:57]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 23:00:52; decimation: there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a	[23:57]
adlai	(a reporter writing about 'accidentally' carrying a multiple-inch blade onto an airplane damages airplane security far, far less than the security practices that let it through)	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135619 << it's unclear to me how you figure gmail makes money.	[23:58]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 23:04:20; DreadKnight: gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft	[23:58]
justJanne	Gmail isn't free.	[23:58]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: scraping your emails to better sell your advertisements	[23:59]
adlai	gmail sells adspace to its parent company. the number of people who know its actual revenue is probably quite low.	[23:59]
williamdunne	Increasing the number of people who know the platform so that enterprise customers will purchase it	[23:59]
justJanne	Gmail has two options: sell your data or pay.	[23:59]
justJanne	Yeah.	[23:59]
williamdunne	I think with pay they still have your data	[23:59]
justJanne	Nope.	[23:59]
decimation	gotta pay if you want 'google apps' too	[23:59]
justJanne	As a large company you can get Google Apps as a box.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135624 << that never happens, but sure.	[23:59]
assbot	Logged on 17-05-2015 23:07:10; trinque: DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs	[23:59]

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