Forum logs for 17 May 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0185 BTC [+] [00:00]
jurov whats with these americans. karpeles uses existing company to move money and thinks it will be fine [00:00]
jurov cuz the company was not doing it before, so all shall be fine [00:01]
ThickAsThieves is Mark american? [00:01]
ThickAsThieves he seems awfully foreign [00:01]
ThickAsThieves other than all the pizza [00:01]
davout http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/msbstateselector.html [00:01]
ThickAsThieves no bulbul [00:02]
ThickAsThieves no campbx [00:02]
davout look for bitinstant [00:02]
davout you'll find them [00:02]
davout the form is real :D [00:02]
ThickAsThieves bitfloor is there [00:03]
davout vim donations thread : http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207559.new#new [00:04]
ThickAsThieves ;;tslb [00:04]
ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [00:04]
gribble Time since last block: 38 minutes and 33 seconds [00:04]
gribble Current Blocks: 236501 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 1386 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 14 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12088604.5602 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.05691 [00:04]
ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [00:04]
gribble 84042.4848453 [00:04]
mircea_popescu it dropped ?! [00:04]
ThickAsThieves it was too new [00:04]
ThickAsThieves to be accurate [00:04]
ThickAsThieves before [00:04]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [00:05]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 12088604.5602 based on data since last change | 11740420.3571 based on data for last three days [00:05]
ThickAsThieves or [00:05]
ThickAsThieves it dropped [00:05]
ThickAsThieves :/ [00:05]
jurov any prediction for difficulty for July 17? [00:05]
ThickAsThieves likely AM will be mining at 250TH by then [00:05]
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ThickAsThieves likely Avalon batch 2 will have shpped as well [00:05]
ThickAsThieves also possible some avalon chips will be in use [00:06]
ThickAsThieves my prediction: quite high [00:06]
WILLdude Hello [00:06]
ThickAsThieves oh [00:06]
ThickAsThieves i almost forgot BitFury [00:07]
ThickAsThieves masters of the universe [00:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0172 = 0.0344 BTC [+] [00:07]
jurov ThickAsThieves: would you buy iDiff-O July shares at 0.18? [00:08]
ThickAsThieves hmm [00:08]
ThickAsThieves i'd need to run the numbers [00:08]
ThickAsThieves but possibly [00:08]
ThickAsThieves what date [00:09]
jurov July 17 [00:09]
ThickAsThieves so 5 or 6 diff changes [00:10]
ThickAsThieves yeah [00:10]
ThickAsThieves i'd probly buy [00:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [-] [00:11]
jurov ok, there won't be many at that price, i'll let know when i'm done [00:11]
ThickAsThieves i'm tied up [00:12]
ThickAsThieves atm [00:12]
ThickAsThieves would need 4-12hrs [00:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 27 @ 0.4449 = 12.0123 BTC [+] [00:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066975 = 2.894 BTC [-] [00:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9379 @ 0.00067001 = 6.284 BTC [+] [00:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.445 = 0.89 BTC [+] [00:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01849 = 0.3698 BTC [-] [00:30]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.774999 BTC [+] [00:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 312 @ 0.0181 = 5.6472 BTC [-] [00:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.018 = 0.342 BTC [-] [00:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 169 @ 0.0177 = 2.9913 BTC [-] [00:34]
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Namworld Would like to bulk buy a bit of SatoshiDice shares if anyone is selling at a discount. [00:37]
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jurov lol they are already selling at a discount [00:38]
jurov and what about G.MPOE? i'm slowly taking over the passthrough just by virtue of having sole bid at 0.00055 :D [00:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.774999 = 8.875 BTC [+] [00:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0172 = 0.0688 BTC [+] [00:40]
jurov https://bitfunder.com/asset/CoinBr.iDiff-O July is open. All cheaper shares than 0.195 were bought out by TAT. [00:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0181 BTC [+] [00:42]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [12:41]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard. [12:41]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013 [12:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.01775 = 0.3728 BTC [+] [12:46]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.01773 = 1.1525 BTC [-] [12:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.002577 = 0.0103 BTC [+] [12:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.019 = 0.475 BTC [+] [12:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01773 = 0.3014 BTC [-] [13:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01775 = 0.0888 BTC [+] [13:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [-] [13:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01775 BTC [+] [13:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01775 = 0.0888 BTC [+] [13:08]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.01775 = 1.4733 BTC [+] [13:16]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.81 = 3.62 BTC [+] [13:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.0178 = 0.3204 BTC [+] [13:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0179 = 1.253 BTC [+] [13:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01795 = 1.2565 BTC [+] [13:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01795 = 0.4847 BTC [+] [13:27]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01795 = 0.2334 BTC [+] [13:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 552 @ 0.0181 = 9.9912 BTC [+] [13:46]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186043.0;all [13:46]
mircea_popescu that thread is so much win [13:46]
davout we shouldn't do racist jokes [13:47]
davout racism is a crime [13:47]
davout and crime is for niggers [13:47]
Chaang-Noi lol [13:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 374 @ 0.0181 = 6.7694 BTC [+] [13:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00253 = 0.0127 BTC [-] [13:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00252 BTC [-] [13:48]
mircea_popescu haha [13:50]
mircea_popescu is that chapelle ? [13:50]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173433.msg2178901#msg2178901 [13:50]
mircea_popescu pietila is back! [13:50]
Chaang-Noi yes [13:50]
Chaang-Noi did you see his post about being in the insane lock up or whatever? [13:50]
Chaang-Noi he had a meltdown it seems [13:51]
Chaang-Noi his rontus guy, seems as crazy as he is... [13:51]
mircea_popescu pretty lol honestly now. [13:52]
mircea_popescu paypal never had this quality of trolling. [13:52]
mircea_popescu and believe it or not, trolling is culture. [13:52]
davout dumb people don't know how to troll [13:53]
Chaang-Noi im very aware trolling is a fine art [13:53]
mircea_popescu and moreover, take any bit of preserved literacy, what is it ? [13:53]
mircea_popescu anything voltaire ever wrote, is it not trolling ? [13:53]
davout the very bitcoin project is trolling banks and haters since day 1 [13:54]
mircea_popescu Eine logisch-mathematische Untersuchung uber den Begriff der Zahl , what is that ? [13:54]
mircea_popescu is it not trolling ? [13:54]
Chaang-Noi i trolled theymos, got banned for it, was good times [13:54]
mircea_popescu swift's modest proposal, trolling through and through. [13:54]
Chaang-Noi but honestly im not sure reptillia is trolling, i think he might really be crazy [13:55]
Chaang-Noi dullusions of self grandure, if he is trolling he gets 10/10 [13:55]
mircea_popescu it's spelled delusions you know [13:55]
mircea_popescu and grandeur [13:55]
Chaang-Noi i dont bother with speelling "correctly" [13:56]
Chaang-Noi im happy if you understand my ideas :) [13:56]
Chaang-Noi Update [13:58]
Chaang-Noi The mass production of Block Erupter USB is to be done today. [13:58]
Chaang-Noi 00t [13:58]
Chaang-Noi 10,000 usb stick at hmm... 2 btc each... not bad not bad at all [13:58]
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Chaang-Noi http://merlinsmagicbitcoins.com/ lol wtf? [14:01]
mircea_popescu ya totally. [14:03]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01795 BTC [+] [14:08]
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furuknap Yeah, I can't wait to rush in. I get a seat at a round table! Weeee! [14:16]
mircea_popescu o hallo [14:17]
jurov As for safety, I do not know any official classification of this place, but my gut feeling is that in order for anyone (which means, anyone) to take me out of here alive, it requires an operation that cannot be planned in secret, and the lead time is minimum 48 hours. If dead, it can be achieved relatively quickly, but there will be considerable (100,000+) collateral damage if the success needs to be achieved at a greater than 75% probability. [14:18]
jurov reptilia needs some kind of serius recognition for this [14:18]
mircea_popescu jurov he got it didn't he [14:19]
mircea_popescu "Bitcoin's master troll to date" [14:19]
jurov yes, sth like that [14:19]
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mircea_popescu course it'd be important to discern if the safety is designated or actual. [14:20]
jurov OMFGLBBQ: My experiences tell that even the patients here are eager to buy by the truckload, as soon as they get into the position to do so. [14:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.81 BTC [+] [14:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 178 @ 0.0181 = 3.2218 BTC [+] [14:22]
Chaang-Noi not sure how reptillia can be a supernode he is going to try and bull a satoshi [14:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.82 = 3.64 BTC [+] [14:22]
Chaang-Noi 1.82 nice [14:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [+] [14:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [+] [14:23]
Chaang-Noi an attack on 120? [14:23]
jurov sorry for spamming I really cannot even: I sent only a 2-ppl detachment to the Bay area, but they are my Ambassadors and have full authority to spend as many bitcoins as deemed necessary to subdue all, as well as I myself am subdued under the authority of Finnish government right now. [14:24]
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Chaang-Noi i wonder if he got jailed cuz he did not pay the hotel, then went crazy [14:24]
jurov Bay Area Surrenders to Risto de Silver I. [14:25]
mircea_popescu jurov o may gawd [14:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01795 = 0.3411 BTC [+] [14:26]
Chaang-Noi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206948.0;topicseen man, this looks like a scam waiting to happen [14:26]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi it's all over the scam forum already [14:27]
Chaang-Noi oh [14:28]
Chaang-Noi ihad him on ignore for a month now cuz i thought he was a scammer [14:28]
Chaang-Noi ripple is perfect for scammers, shocked this was not done sooner [14:28]
mircea_popescu i don't think he's a scammer, he seems like a kid with mostly good ideas ocasionally getting ahead of himself. [14:29]
furuknap You mean tradefortress? [14:29]
mircea_popescu furuknap yeah [14:29]
Chaang-Noi he wanted to do a trade with me with out escrow, red flags went up, just m gut reaction [14:29]
mircea_popescu jurov if tortilla actually comes to timisoara do you want early warning to show up ? [14:29]
jurov yes pls [14:30]
Chaang-Noi why would he go? [14:30]
mircea_popescu it will cost you 1337 megabictoinz [14:30]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi because he has correctly identified me as the most important entity in btc ? [14:30]
Chaang-Noi lol [14:30]
Chaang-Noi he trolled you into thinking that? [14:31]
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mircea_popescu ahh that was too good to pass on [14:31]
jurov np, i'll pay in s.mpoe microshares [14:31]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.01798 = 1.4384 BTC [+] [14:31]
Chaang-Noi reptillia wants to be a supper node, but he just be crazy... [14:32]
ThickAsThieves micro AM shares are the real currency du jour [14:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01798 = 0.2877 BTC [+] [14:32]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01799 = 0.036 BTC [+] [14:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.01799 = 1.2053 BTC [+] [14:32]
ThickAsThieves friggin price is bubbling too fast... [14:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.018 = 1.8 BTC [+] [14:33]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi you're just butthurt that he's not ivisting indochina or w/e unhard of bumfuck [14:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.018 = 0.36 BTC [+] [14:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.01807 = 0.8312 BTC [+] [14:33]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that's why they're no good as currency. smpoe is bubbling slow. [14:33]
Chaang-Noi investing indo china? [14:33]
mircea_popescu voseting! [14:33]
mircea_popescu i that we don't care about spoaling [14:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01807 = 3.614 BTC [+] [14:33]
Chaang-Noi even my only investment is in china, and that is asic miner [14:34]
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Chaang-Noi asic miner seems to be kicking ass, so make fun of asia all you want, you and super node have fun making out :) [14:34]
mircea_popescu see ? you're bubblebutthurt [14:34]
Chaang-Noi ;;asks 120 [14:34]
gribble There are currently 4776.8374 bitcoins offered at or under 120.0 USD, worth 573088.28631 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds [14:35]
Chaang-Noi yes i am so jelly of you and supernode being bbf [14:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01807 = 0.0361 BTC [+] [14:36]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136878931844.jpg [14:36]
Chaang-Noi turkey? [14:37]
mircea_popescu ya [14:37]
Chaang-Noi always nice to see the muslium star and cresent at the white house... [14:38]
Chaang-Noi s.dice is starting to ban us ip addresses, true or fud? [14:38]
Uglux land of the free [14:39]
davout fo [14:39]
Chaang-Noi so the only thing eric does in a year of development is ban 1/2 its users, hmm [14:40]
davout from the website [14:40]
mircea_popescu americans don't belong on the internet anyway [14:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.187 BTC [-] [14:41]
davout like i repeated like 10 times now, some investor large enough to give a fuck about it will simply clone the website and make it available in the US without erik being able to do jack shit about it [14:41]
Uglux there are clones already [14:41]
davout of SD or of its website? [14:42]
mircea_popescu Uglux he means that it's trivial to make 500 s.dice websites [14:43]
mircea_popescu as unauthorised copies. [14:43]
mircea_popescu ie, the banning is toothless. [14:43]
davout mircea_popescu: yup, wasn't sure if he meant cloning the concept or its website [14:43]
ThickAsThieves maybe so [14:43]
ThickAsThieves but the banning is certainly not progress [14:44]
mircea_popescu depends in what perspective. [14:44]
davout so basically no one cares, zero fucks given [14:44]
mircea_popescu it removes possibly the largest argument the us could have brought. [14:44]
davout ThickAsThieves: it is a nice marketing stunt [14:44]
mircea_popescu in that, it is progress. [14:44]
ThickAsThieves marketing ploy, progress, or one more nail in the coffin, whichever it is, I'm over it for now :) [14:45]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [+] [14:45]
mircea_popescu " To say that a young woman has a vagina or that she has sexual intercourse is an affront to her modesty that is not tolerated. The correct and expected reference is to her cunt and to fucking." [14:45]
mircea_popescu this in nigeria apparently [14:46]
mircea_popescu because english was the language of the upper class white people, and so it is respectable [14:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00066737 = 0.7007 BTC [-] [14:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00066687 = 2.4674 BTC [-] [14:53]
Chaang-Noi The meeting with the doctor ended in a mutual agreement that I am too manic to continue posting on this forum. [14:54]
Chaang-Noi his newest post... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg2179552#msg2179552 [14:54]
pigeons yay rpietella [14:54]
pigeons if he "eats his medicine" he won't be able to see bitcoin visions anymore [14:54]
mircea_popescu lol [14:56]
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mircea_popescu i wonder if there's going to be a forum ambassador nao [14:56]
Chaang-Noi rontus already posted i the thread [14:57]
mircea_popescu is it the same guy ? [14:57]
Chaang-Noi i think its his main assistant [14:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 317 @ 0.01810998 = 5.7409 BTC [+] [14:58]
Chaang-Noi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16424 [14:58]
mircea_popescu Date Registered: May 31, 2011, 06:28:02 AM [14:58]
mircea_popescu dude gtfo, this is something awful. [14:58]
Chaang-Noi "I am one of the hosts for this summit." [14:58]
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mircea_popescu i guess i will have to yield my sa trolling competition. [14:58]
mircea_popescu they certainly did a lot better than any of teh bitcoin ppl on their own forum. [14:59]
Chaang-Noi " [14:59]
Chaang-Noi I met Risto for the first time last autumn in some Bitcoin related stuff." [14:59]
mircea_popescu yaya [14:59]
Chaang-Noi if this guy is AS and reptillia too, mad props, sending 93k usd as part of a trolling operation is epic shit [14:59]
mircea_popescu they got the bitcoin neh ? [15:00]
mircea_popescu no big deal, i'm sure people wanting to buy btc can be found. [15:00]
mircea_popescu and this worked otc. [15:00]
Chaang-Noi sure but really, if this was just a troll buying 700 btc is pretty into it [15:01]
Chaang-Noi 10/10 for sure [15:01]
mircea_popescu ya but i guess if the goons got together [15:01]
mircea_popescu they might have been able to find someone who wanted to buy 100k worth of btc and didn't know how. [15:01]
mircea_popescu but yes, certainly epic shit. [15:01]
Chaang-Noi yeah it can be done, sure. im just impressed, but i still dont think he is a troll, just a nutter [15:01]
Chaang-Noi a nutter who shockingly got locked up [15:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.84 = 9.2 BTC [+] [15:02]
mircea_popescu i am inclined to think it's goonery by now. [15:02]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi he said so, we don't know he actually has. [15:02]
furuknap After reading a bit now, I vote for nutter too. [15:02]
mircea_popescu how many nutters actually admit to being locked up ? [15:02]
mircea_popescu maybe 1 in 100 [15:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.8495 = 9.2475 BTC [+] [15:03]
ThickAsThieves when it's just mild schizophrenias I think it's easy to know you are messed up [15:03]
mircea_popescu "Shit, if a tall and beautiful woman shows up at a Bitcoin conference we're all doomed anyway. " [15:03]
Chaang-Noi yeah, i understand, im not 100% sure but id say 70% he is just a crazy [15:03]
mircea_popescu lmao all these noobs. [15:03]
mircea_popescu mpoe-pr is like 5foot9 [15:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 216 @ 0.01849 = 3.9938 BTC [+] [15:04]
Chaang-Noi 5 foot 9 is tall for there? [15:04]
mircea_popescu ?! [15:04]
Chaang-Noi short? [15:05]
ThickAsThieves fairly common in the US [15:05]
mircea_popescu Thailand 167.5 cm (5' 5.9") 157.3 cm (5' 1.9") [15:05]
mircea_popescu what the fuck you on about goatboy [15:05]
Chaang-Noi i know asians are shorter, i live here [15:05]
mircea_popescu so then what "for there" ? [15:06]
mircea_popescu Sweden 180 cm (5' 10.9") 166.9 cm (5' 5.7") [15:06]
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mircea_popescu apparently 5foot 9 is tall for sweden [15:06]
Chaang-Noi if you cout all the other races, she is white right? [15:06]
Chaang-Noi anyway, i gota go for a bit, peace [15:06]
mircea_popescu sweden is white... [15:07]
pigeons once you go black... [15:07]
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mircea_popescu must suck to be black and with a normal penis these days [15:08]
pigeons so disappointing [15:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.220001 BTC [-] [15:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-] [15:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [-] [15:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.21001 = 0.42 BTC [-] [15:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00066937 = 4.217 BTC [+] [15:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.210001 = 0.84 BTC [-] [15:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.21 = 2.1 BTC [-] [15:13]
Chaang-Noi cognitive sell off, hmm [15:16]
mircea_popescu what's cognitive again ? [15:16]
Chaang-Noi rpietilla post two more if anyone cares [15:17]
Chaang-Noi cognitive is a smallish mining operations with mostly gpus and some fpgas [15:17]
Chaang-Noi they have invested into bfl and are going to invest in avalon [15:17]
Chaang-Noi i ahve some as a hedge against AM [15:17]
Chaang-Noi i hold 5% of the company and got in at an average prioce of .11 so im pretty happy [15:17]
mircea_popescu However I will still be able to breathe inside the house, plus drink and eat reasonably well. So my lifestyle, which was originally fit for a king, is still fit for a travelling salesman. [15:18]
mircea_popescu it's pretty good. [15:18]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi well i dunno if 5btc counts as a selloff if they have an actual business then. [15:18]
Chaang-Noi yeah its just the most action downward i have seen from them in a while [15:18]
Chaang-Noi they do have a real business, and ahve been around a long time, but they are not exactly racking in the btc at this point [15:19]
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pigeons "Annina Rusila, Personal Secretary. Annina is helping Roni to achieve the mission. She is travelling single. For the reason that she is in close cooperation with Roni, though, she is not allowed to smoke during the conference (except if/when Roni sends her to solitary mission)." [15:19]
Chaang-Noi i think it is over valued, its only to protect myself from a sudden bfl shipping, however it is looking less and less likely that that will happen any time soon [15:19]
mircea_popescu solitary msision ?! [15:20]
mircea_popescu "annina go jack off" ? [15:20]
Chaang-Noi when that guy worked with me about the wire he was very professional and seemed sane [15:20]
Chaang-Noi "1.5 class Bitcoin Supernode," [15:21]
Chaang-Noi fuck, i forget his rankings... i wonder what i am... [15:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.85 = 7.4 BTC [+] [15:22]
Chaang-Noi 1.85, nice [15:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01807 = 1.807 BTC [+] [15:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01848 = 0.2772 BTC [-] [15:31]
Scrat http://i.imgur.com/JiYOga7.jpg [15:32]
Scrat lol [15:32]
Chaang-Noi old buy good [15:32]
Chaang-Noi but [15:32]
Scrat i am new to the world of supernodes [15:32]
Chaang-Noi ahh [15:32]
Chaang-Noi mp is a supernode [15:33]
Scrat rename this channel to bitcoin-supernode [15:33]
Chaang-Noi we should! [15:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01807 = 0.1626 BTC [+] [15:36]
Chaang-Noi http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/05/15/184223110/new-rifle-on-sale [15:36]
Chaang-Noi want has [15:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.85 = 11.1 BTC [+] [15:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01807 = 2.7105 BTC [+] [15:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+] [15:36]
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Chaang-Noi 22k damn [15:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01848 BTC [-] [15:37]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+] [15:42]
furuknap That rifle really just needs to know _who_ to shoot, and it would be perfect. [15:42]
Chaang-Noi :) [15:45]
furuknap 1.85. People are nuts. [15:46]
Chaang-Noi it is under valued :) [15:46]
ThickAsThieves I agree [15:47]
ThickAsThieves but [15:47]
furuknap Can't be. [15:47]
ThickAsThieves I do wish it would slow down a lil [15:47]
furuknap It's priced now as to not stand a chance in 2016. That'll kill a lot of dreams... [15:48]
furuknap There must be a serious correction or a lot of people are going to be very angry at the cat. [15:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.859 BTC [+] [15:49]
ThickAsThieves furuknap [15:50]
furuknap Yes, dear? [15:50]
ThickAsThieves you assert your opinions and guesses like they are facts [15:50]
ThickAsThieves this will bite you in the ass [15:50]
furuknap It's just math. [15:50]
ThickAsThieves and stop you from having persective [15:50]
ThickAsThieves perspective [15:50]
ThickAsThieves no [15:50]
ThickAsThieves math is just one piece [15:51]
ThickAsThieves share value is much more than ROI [15:51]
furuknap No, it's the entire basis of myu perspective. I realize that suckers will follow the herd, but that's really not how I want to do business. [15:51]
ThickAsThieves your logic would require nearly all investors to be suckers [15:52]
ThickAsThieves in all markets [15:52]
ThickAsThieves it would also make you a sucker [15:52]
furuknap No, it wouldn't, and that kind of argument isn't really effective. There's a major difference of evaluating risk and not standing a chance in hell. [15:52]
furuknap Right now, we're rapidly trending towards negative ROI if friedcat achieves everything he says. That's not a chance in hell. [15:53]
furuknap I can understand people being passionate, I just don't want to pay ฿1 for ฿0.5. [15:53]
ThickAsThieves I'm not going to debate you too hard on all this, I have been watching your posts and made my own opinions about your predispositions [15:53]
ThickAsThieves you are your own worst enemy [15:53]
ThickAsThieves and self-righteous without warrant [15:54]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.859 = 7.436 BTC [+] [15:54]
Uglux http://imgur.com/i7kB7EO freshly mined innocent coins will be worth a lot soon(tm) [15:54]
furuknap Like I said, I based my opinions on math, nothing more. [15:54]
ThickAsThieves I recommend hardcore perspective [15:54]
furuknap Actually, I would favor in the direction of risk, but right now, there isn't risk, it's suicide. [15:54]
ThickAsThieves ask yourself "okay, i have made my analysis, now how could I make myself totally wrong" [15:55]
ThickAsThieves then weigh both sides [15:55]
furuknap I've been doing that, three ways over. [15:55]
ThickAsThieves yet you sold too soon [15:55]
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furuknap No, I sold at 1.78 including options. I had secured that at around 1.50. [15:55]
ThickAsThieves how many shares? [15:56]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.01807 = 0.9939 BTC [+] [15:56]
furuknap That's roughly 5% from current top. I have no problems missing the top bu as much as 30-40% even, especially when I see there are no fundamentals supporting the price above that. [15:56]
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ThickAsThieves this isnt the top [15:56]
furuknap 30 or so shares? I don't remember exactly. [15:57]
ThickAsThieves so so far you have lost $250 plus next week's dividends [15:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.86 = 5.58 BTC [+] [15:57]
furuknap Yes, and I' [15:57]
furuknap bah [15:57]
furuknap Yes, and I've also gained far more. You're not going to sucker me into that trap :-) [15:58]
ThickAsThieves i don't have any desire to sucker you into anything [15:58]
furuknap Nobody ever lost from walking away with a profit. [15:58]
ThickAsThieves LOL [15:58]
Uglux pirate maybe :P [15:58]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.86 = 5.58 BTC [+] [15:58]
furuknap I've doubled my money in a month and not taken any risk. I'm perfectly capable of living with not getting the last few drops of the can. [15:59]
ThickAsThieves you assume it won't sit at 2.2 for 4 weeks [15:59]
ThickAsThieves or that share value won't erode slower than div payout [16:00]
furuknap No, I'm assuming there's no support for a price above 1.50ish even at twice the rate that friedcat predicts. [16:00]
ThickAsThieves it appears there is [16:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00159999 = 0.8 BTC [+] [16:01]
furuknap That's where that darn math comes in again and says you're wrong. [16:01]
ThickAsThieves my math says you're wrong [16:01]
ThickAsThieves so there [16:01]
ThickAsThieves :P [16:01]
furuknap Heh, I wish it were that simple :-) [16:01]
ThickAsThieves it is [16:01]
ThickAsThieves $250 so far [16:01]
ThickAsThieves pretty simple [16:01]
furuknap Yeah. And what type of math do you use? The pink one? [16:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.01839 = 0.4781 BTC [+] [16:02]
ThickAsThieves I use that furry math [16:02]
furuknap Oohh.. Furries are nice. [16:02]
furuknap Sadly, they mostly exist in fantasy. [16:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.018396 = 1.4717 BTC [+] [16:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 77 @ 0.018397 = 1.4166 BTC [+] [16:04]
furuknap I realize people buy on far more than ROI. I don't. Even if the price goes up to 2.5, it will still be within what I'm perfectly comfortable 'loosing' by just taking 1.10 per share (and even a bit more since I got a few of the waves right). [16:04]
ThickAsThieves Sneak peak for ya'll. I'm sponsoring SMiguel's charts to live at http://www.asicminercharts.com/ [16:05]
mircea_popescu haha cool [16:05]
ThickAsThieves he hasn't announced yet [16:05]
furuknap Nice, TAT. [16:05]
mircea_popescu how's the data acquired ? [16:05]
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ThickAsThieves not sure [16:05]
mircea_popescu >.> [16:06]
furuknap That's actually one thing that the BTC community lacks. Sponsoring of useful information. Clark Moody is fine, but all the ad services are crap. [16:06]
ThickAsThieves probly a mix [16:06]
mircea_popescu what are you sponsoring ? [16:06]
ThickAsThieves his work [16:06]
mircea_popescu furuknap been sayin' it since 2012. [16:06]
ThickAsThieves AM community has been enjoying it [16:06]
ThickAsThieves and no one is tipping him [16:06]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves ye know what i mean. gotta know what it is. [16:06]
ThickAsThieves I don't [16:06]
ThickAsThieves you mean what did I pay? [16:07]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ the long version [16:07]
mircea_popescu the short version : don't sponsor things you don;'t understand, they may blow up in your face. [16:07]
ThickAsThieves I seem to be out of credits [16:07]
ThickAsThieves which doesnt make sense [16:07]
ThickAsThieves had at least 1000 [16:07]
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furuknap mp, I'm mostly recognized in the SharePoint community where there are two community players that run highly successful ad servics for bloggers and services. I've reached out to one of them who is also a sponsor for my next book and asked whether she'd be willing to look at a similar service for BTC community. [16:07]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves prolly cookie expired ? [16:07]
mircea_popescu furuknap that'd be great [16:07]
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ThickAsThieves how do i fix my cookie? [16:08]
furuknap Advice for aspiring professionals in SharePoint. [16:08]
ThickAsThieves but anyway [16:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves re-make it [16:08]
deadweasel I'll fix your cookie ThickAsThieves [16:08]
ThickAsThieves I'll look up that email from you later [16:08]
furuknap Yeah, that sort of puts you out of the audience of the book :-) [16:08]
furuknap SharePoint is a business app platform from Microsoft. [16:09]
mircea_popescu furuknap i didn't even know there's a sharepoint community [16:09]
mircea_popescu the old ms office thing ? [16:09]
ThickAsThieves the guy has been supplying this chart, noted no tips, so I thought hmm, I'll back him up a little and see where it goes [16:09]
furuknap Not really old, it came out with the latest version in February. [16:09]
ThickAsThieves it's not charity [16:09]
ThickAsThieves I get alink out of it [16:09]
ThickAsThieves he gets motivation to keep doing and developing it fiurther [16:10]
mircea_popescu don't go all defensive on me, i'm not saying it's bad [16:10]
furuknap This one is free. It's part of a test I'm running to see if I can get a better way of providing information to people. My other 20ish books cost around $20 each. [16:10]
mircea_popescu i'm just saying you gotta know the basic idea, where he gets the data, stuff like that. [16:10]
ThickAsThieves oh i didnt mean to sound dfensive [16:10]
ThickAsThieves just being quick [16:10]
mircea_popescu furuknap which books be those ? [16:10]
furuknap I am. [16:10]
ThickAsThieves I will ask him to post about how he pulls the data though [16:11]
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furuknap You can hang on for a couple of days and the next one is out free. I'd be happy to send you other copies though. [16:11]
ThickAsThieves would be interesting [16:11]
furuknap http://uspjournal.com/ <- Most of my books. Others on Amazon. [16:11]
Uglux here is a derivative http://deepfriedcat.com/ [16:11]
furuknap Couple of days as in most likley Monday. [16:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.018397 = 0.2392 BTC [+] [16:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.0184 = 1.0488 BTC [+] [16:12]
mircea_popescu furuknap so basically they're all on sharepoint ? [16:13]
furuknap Yup, at least the ones that are available. I've done a couple of private ones too. All IT, though. [16:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, i was thinking fo some stuff early 2000s [16:14]
mircea_popescu not sure if this is related. [16:14]
furuknap truffles: I can't please everyone :-) [16:14]
furuknap mp: What stuff is that? [16:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0184 BTC [+] [16:16]
mircea_popescu windows sharepoint was some old, pretty much abandoned stuff ms came out with in i think 2002 [16:16]
mircea_popescu i think they merged half of it into frontpage [16:16]
furuknap 2001, but OK, I'll bite. [16:16]
ThickAsThieves is that the one that was basically Outlook on a stick? [16:16]
mircea_popescu a okay. [16:17]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i can't for the life of me recall exactly wehat it was [16:17]
ThickAsThieves i think it's server-based Outlook [16:17]
ThickAsThieves eail for biz and stuff [16:17]
ThickAsThieves email* [16:17]
furuknap Yeah, the early stuff was pretty bad and distributed in two versions. One free was an extension of SharePoint and a server verson which was nothing of the sorts. [16:18]
furuknap No, it has nothing to do with Outlook. [16:18]
mircea_popescu so what's this new thing, microsoft cloud basically ? [16:18]
furuknap Think of it as a web base database with tons of services and user configuration and db design. It's an accident waitning to happen (and has happened) but it's widely adopted now. [16:18]
ThickAsThieves sure looks a lot like Outlook [16:19]
ThickAsThieves like if Outlook wanted to be Salesforce or something [16:19]
furuknap Yeah, but you also thinks the math looks like it support a price above 1.8. [16:19]
furuknap :-P [16:19]
mircea_popescu lmao the new guy has teeth [16:19]
ThickAsThieves lol [16:19]
ThickAsThieves new guy floats on his own hot air [16:19]
furuknap SharePoint is more like Notes if you have to compare it to something. [16:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, sorta back on topic : bitcoin finance desperately needs analysts, of the real kind [16:20]
furuknap I agree. It will come. [16:20]
mircea_popescu anyone starting a blog now on the topic and sticking to it professionally will be the gigaom/whatever of bitcoin in a decade. [16:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0183 = 0.0366 BTC [-] [16:21]
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ThickAsThieves I have no idea [16:21]
ThickAsThieves I assum not [16:21]
ThickAsThieves I have some MPOE [16:21]
furuknap Yeah, I'd love to do that, MP, but seriously, I'm not a finance guy. I understand the math, but I'm more technical than would make me a financial person of any repoute. [16:22]
furuknap *repute [16:22]
mircea_popescu hence the "anyone" :p [16:22]
mircea_popescu i just repeat this periodically on the theory that hey, you never know. [16:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.01848 = 0.0554 BTC [+] [16:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.86 BTC [+] [16:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.016132 BTC [-] [16:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8675 = 3.735 BTC [+] [16:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.87 = 3.74 BTC [+] [16:24]
furuknap Exactly, but to get there, there needs to be a desire for professional information that is more visible. I'm testing the market with a new mining book in a few weeks (maybe a couple of months, depending on whether I move from Norway). Having some experience from publishing, I'd use that to understand the market and what people want. [16:24]
mircea_popescu pigeons https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206003.0 you seen that ? [16:24]
mircea_popescu furuknap usually markets need to be led. [16:24]
mircea_popescu arrington didn't appear because there was a desire for tech crunch [16:25]
furuknap It does, but the leader also needs to know what people want. [16:25]
mircea_popescu he made it and then there was suddenly a desire for it, five years down the line [16:25]
mircea_popescu i don't think any leader of any import ever cares what epople want. at issue is what people need. [16:25]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0185 BTC [+] [16:25]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0185 = 0.185 BTC [+] [16:26]
mircea_popescu what people want is too widely distributed and also quite likely to kill them. [16:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0185 = 0.037 BTC [+] [16:26]
furuknap OK, the leader (and that's not me, just so you don't think I'm blowing my own horn) needs to understand what people need. They usually say that by fierce opposition. [16:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0185 = 0.148 BTC [+] [16:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01852 = 0.426 BTC [+] [16:26]
mircea_popescu indeed :) [16:26]
furuknap TAT: Are you listening? Now I'm having opinions not founded on math. [16:27]
mircea_popescu best indication ever that auschwitz was a bad idea : the jews didn't fight back at all. [16:27]
furuknap Not the example I'd use, but I get your point :-) [16:27]
mircea_popescu lol [16:28]
ThickAsThieves it's not the math that is the problem [16:28]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg2179249#msg2179249 lmao [16:28]
mircea_popescu so wait, two weeks! [16:29]
furuknap What was their original deadline? Weren't the due for going online in June? [16:29]
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mircea_popescu picostocks ? [16:29]
ThickAsThieves maybe some psychosociologist figured two weeks is the best scam tolerance timeframe [16:29]
mircea_popescu the story is that they had a 1mn ish investmenty with tom van ripyou of basic [16:30]
mircea_popescu which poofed [16:30]
mircea_popescu so then they made another 1mn ish investment with bitfury [16:30]
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furuknap Yeah, I read up on the origonal 75TH mine, but I also got the impression that bitfury was more legit. [16:30]
mircea_popescu while bitfury seems pretty certain he;ll deliver, i still very much doubt that investment exists. [16:30]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/ [16:30]
mircea_popescu whoa the bet is about even now [16:31]
furuknap That would be fraud from two well known and public people. Do you think that's likely? [16:31]
mircea_popescu picostocks is neither known nor public. [16:31]
mircea_popescu his statements that he's invested with third parties are his own. [16:31]
furuknap No, but the people behind it are published in the business plan and seems reputable on brief research. [16:32]
mircea_popescu i came with opposite results from the same research. [16:32]
ThickAsThieves maybe you didnt use enough math? [16:33]
furuknap Or maybe I used too much :-) [16:33]
mircea_popescu i used a 1.5 math diode [16:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01848 = 0.3696 BTC [+] [16:34]
ThickAsThieves :) [16:34]
mircea_popescu furuknap but i mean, what exactly is your judgement there ? [16:34]
mircea_popescu something like "here are names so it's legit" ? the pietila guy also throws names around [16:34]
furuknap On 100th? Not sure. It looks a bit too good to be true. [16:35]
ThickAsThieves Is there any evidence from any unproven ASIC provider that shows any reason to assume it's a lie til it ships? [16:35]
ThickAsThieves not a lie* [16:35]
ThickAsThieves even the ones that ship rarely really do [16:36]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well, i count the 100 btc of bitfury's as some evidence [16:36]
furuknap I think the entire community is skeptical due to some key providers being late and scams. AM showed it's possible. The swedes work with very reputable companies. 100TH certainly has put a lot of effort into what at the time seemed like a peanut reward. [16:36]
mircea_popescu furuknap where's the effort ? [16:37]
ThickAsThieves the bet is an odd way to prove yoursel [16:37]
ThickAsThieves d [16:37]
ThickAsThieves f [16:37]
ThickAsThieves maybe it's a ploy [16:37]
furuknap The business plan, the picostocks setup, the putting your name on the line. At the time, there weren't asking for much. It's become a lot since then, but at the time, I mean, if you wanted to scam someone, at least you should do it big. [16:38]
ThickAsThieves If the bet is proof, why not 500btc? [16:38]
furuknap Provided the people behind it really are the people in the business plan, they seem like smart enough people that if they wanted, they would scam someone for far more money. [16:39]
furuknap Faking a couple of results from their bio work would probably yields orders of magnitude more reward. They're putting their own names on the line so they'll have to disappear anyway, so why not scam for $50million instead? [16:40]
ThickAsThieves or maybe the bet is just mp trollin' [16:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.01848 = 1.6632 BTC [+] [16:42]
furuknap Well, I doubt he'd risk his name and reputation for a few million either... [16:42]
pigeons people who run ponzi schemes basically scam, trash their name and reputation, etc, for usually $0 [16:45]
furuknap Yeah, but if you were doing that, would you rather have $5M or $500M? [16:45]
pigeons if he was a scammer he would do it for more money is not an effective heuristic [16:46]
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furuknap Maybe. On the other hand, they could also easily have scammed anonymously and not have the burden of tainting their names. [16:47]
pigeons "if he was scamming, he wouldn't use his real identity" is not an effective heuristic [16:47]
pigeons trendon shavers, bernie madoff, [16:48]
furuknap Yeah, but Madoff scammed for bilions. [16:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01852 = 0.037 BTC [+] [16:49]
pigeons trendon and madoff and the rest scammed for enough to pay old investors and enough to eat [16:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves but if it's a ploy it'll be expensive. [16:50]
furuknap Deson't matter if they care for it. They could have done it without. IF (and I capitalized that intentionally) the people in tne BP are the real people and not just a Google image search, what possible reason could they have for adding their names when they don't have to? [16:50]
ThickAsThieves if betting goes his way it won't be expensive [16:50]
ThickAsThieves and he can always bet the other side [16:50]
mircea_popescu furuknap i have yet to see a pgp signed declaration from any of these people. [16:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves even if he bets the other side. [16:51]
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furuknap MP: True, but the BP is also denominated in USD, not BTC, so they seem to be targeting people outside the community who may not be aware of the tradition of PGP signed stuff. [16:51]
mircea_popescu he has 100 btc on the line. if he puts 1000 on the other side to make back his 100 he still pays the rake [16:51]
mircea_popescu furuknap or who may be naive of exactly how scam friendly bntc is [16:52]
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furuknap Again, it seems way too much effort for essentially peanuts. I don't know. Might throw a few coins there to see if it sticks. [16:53]
mircea_popescu you [16:53]
pigeons there are pages of debate today on bitcointalk about how this site that you pay .25 btc for him to mine .3 btc for you on his nvidias cant be a scam because people have been getting paid [16:53]
mircea_popescu 're new. pigeons has been here through the scams. when he says "not an effectual heuristic" he is speaking from a place of pain. [16:53]
furuknap I understand that, and I eat so much salt these days, I'll be a mummy by the end of the summer. This doesn't smell right though (and right here would be scam). [16:54]
furuknap Not saying it smells roses either, just to be clear on that. [16:55]
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pigeons i haven't even looked into whatever you're talking about. I just saw "if he was scamming he would do it for more money and why would he use his real name" [16:57]
pigeons and if you're even making those points, something is wrong [16:57]
furuknap Of course IF (again intentionally) this is legit AND they deliver within a reasonable time frame, the proposition is a gold mine, perhaps more so than AM even. [16:57]
pigeons ... [16:58]
furuknap Actually, I wasn't trying to make a point of it, I was just responding to a question about what I thought of the project. From the projects I have evaluated, those were distinguishing characteristics in addition to a growing confidence that such a delivery is technically feasible. Two months ago, I probably wouldn't have given it a second glance. [16:59]
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furuknap *distringuishing characteristics of the _business plan_ [16:59]
furuknap bah, where' s the spell checker. [16:59]
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furuknap I need to fix dinner... [17:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2109 = 1.0545 BTC [+] [17:04]
furuknap Raindeer meatballs. [17:05]
mircea_popescu wait, you're a girl !? [17:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.0811 = 2.1622 BTC [-] [17:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.018521 = 1.1113 BTC [+] [17:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1500 @ 0.00159999 = 2.4 BTC [+] [17:17]
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furuknap I'm not a girl if you were asking me... [17:24]
mircea_popescu a ok. balance is preserved. [17:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.87 = 3.74 BTC [+] [17:25]
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deadweasel truffles you're clearly ruining our sausagefest in here, at least pretend to own a johnson. [17:28]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.018521 = 0.0926 BTC [+] [17:32]
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mircea_popescu lol sexist [17:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.017 = 0.034 BTC [+] [17:34]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.842 = 9.21 BTC [-] [17:35]
parseval That price is too high.. [17:36]
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furuknap That's what I keep saying... [17:38]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.845 = 14.76 BTC [-] [17:42]
ThickAsThieves I like how everyone is thanking Friedcat for paying high divs as a strategy [17:43]
ThickAsThieves I like the divs n all, and I do think AM can grow further [17:44]
ThickAsThieves but it's not exactly a strategy to payout all the monies [17:44]
Namworld Friedcat should start developping a second chip [17:44]
ThickAsThieves he is [17:44]
Namworld one on the smallest process [17:44]
Namworld What is it, like 10-15nm? [17:45]
ThickAsThieves "About the argument of dividend payments, our view is that we will distribute the net income after necessary costs are excluded and funds for foreseeable future (expansion, gen-2 chips) are reserved." [17:45]
ThickAsThieves he doesnt say [17:45]
ThickAsThieves I think what it is [17:45]
ThickAsThieves is that AM makes so much money from the shares they already hold [17:45]
ThickAsThieves paying out high divs is enough [17:46]
ThickAsThieves and still leaves plent mmoney for reinvestment [17:46]
ThickAsThieves plenty* [17:46]
ThickAsThieves he has already been reserving some for a while [17:46]
ThickAsThieves and pays his bills early [17:46]
ThickAsThieves he did make it clear that new ventures, unrelated to mining, would not be wrapped under the current asset [17:47]
ThickAsThieves but that he is dedicated to AM first and foremost [17:47]
ThickAsThieves until it can run with "less founder involvement" [17:47]
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furuknap Namworld: So far, the Swedes are the ones that attempts the smallest process of 28nm. Current AM is 130nm. It will take a long time to get smaller process right, as I understand it. [17:53]
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deadweasel truffles, I think of #assets as more of a pulse than a clique, it's a good place to cut through the bitcoin FUD as it floods up to our necks. [17:56]
deadweasel stay here, stay close to the pulse of bitcoin. [17:56]
pgp yes [17:56]
pgp nerve center of bitcoin world [17:56]
ThickAsThieves did I ignore truffles by mistake or something? [17:56]
ThickAsThieves you're replying to "[10:44]
dont like monies now?"? 		[17:57]
ThickAsThieves oh i see it now [17:57]
ThickAsThieves nvm [17:57]
deadweasel i was in a meeting, way behind. ;) [17:58]
pgp lol [17:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00067238 = 1.412 BTC [+] [18:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.9 = 17.1 BTC [-] [18:03]
Chaang-Noi zup pervz, what imiss? [18:04]
Chaang-Noi btc is full of drama, hardly 1 week goes by with no drama [18:04]
Chaang-Noi btc is sooo much better than hollywood [18:04]
deadweasel damn you must love the forums [18:05]
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Chaang-Noi forums haz some lulz [18:06]
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deadweasel the spamcoin nonsense has lowered the bar, which is hard for the forums. [18:07]
pgp way too much noise on forums for my tastes, though [18:09]
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pgp i find that I mostly rely on links posted here for especially juicy stuff [18:10]
deadweasel me too, but there are some nuggets down there. [18:10]
deadweasel gotta mine the bitcoin, gotta mine the forums, gotta mine the IRC. [18:10]
pgp indeed! [18:10]
optimator truffles: you want drama? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg2179552#msg2179552 [18:11]
deadweasel I liked numismatics write of the whole deal [18:11]
deadweasel optimator, have you drunk the spaten optimator? [18:11]
optimator yumm [18:11]
deadweasel :) i know. miss it. [18:11]
deadweasel he is. [18:12]
deadweasel agreed. [18:12]
optimator deadweasel: you can't get it where you are? [18:13]
deadweasel it sure seems like there is a correlation between the loudest BTC voices the most mentally unstable. [18:13]
Chaang-Noi i think yes [18:13]
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Chaang-Noi and being one of the more loud i would say yeah [18:14]
deadweasel optimator: I have gluten intolerance/yeast issues, so I had to give up bier 5 years back. [18:14]
optimator i think rpietilia nailed it with the word manic [18:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1048 = 1.048 BTC [+] [18:14]
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deadweasel don't say that, truffles takes offense to 'manic'. ;) [18:14]
optimator deadweasel: i just tried a sorghum beer - not bad [18:14]
deadweasel Red Bridge is good, but i LOVE Greens, they make nice bier for us gluten pansies. [18:15]
Chaang-Noi beer can be made from anything, and if it is cared for and done well, it will be good:) [18:15]
deadweasel way too much $$, and the yeast still gets me, so I stick to scotch and wine. [18:15]
deadweasel but your nick brought back happy optimator memories [18:16]
deadweasel that i'd since forgotten [18:16]
optimator :) [18:16]
optimator you know normal people don't change the world [18:16]
furuknap Anyone know how many shares the 100TH people sold in the IPO? [18:17]
Chaang-Noi you dont need to change the world to win, but it can help :) [18:17]
Chaang-Noi 100Th people? [18:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 96 @ 0.01849555 = 1.7756 BTC [+] [18:18]
furuknap The people behind the 100TH project then... [18:18]
deadweasel Chaang-Noi: some new mining scam, probably. [18:18]
furuknap :-) [18:18]
Chaang-Noi i know of most legit things before they happen [18:18]
Chaang-Noi iv never heard of this [18:18]
furuknap Bitfury? [18:19]
Chaang-Noi oh bitfurry? [18:19]
furuknap Heh, yeah... [18:19]
mircea_popescu i don't think picostocks and bitfury are actually related [18:19]
Chaang-Noi dhs raids? [18:19]
mircea_popescu other than the former's claims to investment in the later. [18:19]
Chaang-Noi what are they going to raid? the block chain? [18:20]
furuknap From what I understand, the birst Bitfury batch is 200 TH, of which 100TH goes to the mine, 50 TH to Bitfury, and the rest to undisclosed private investors. [18:20]
Chaang-Noi nall the can do is lock up some fiat, who gives a fuck [18:20]
furuknap I just wanted to know how many IPO shares they sold so I could put it into a model to see if it's profitable. [18:20]
Chaang-Noi i dont know, sorry [18:20]
optimator here's a nice read http://hplusmagazine.com/2013/05/02/the-ones-who-change-the-world/ [18:21]
deadweasel < Chaang-Noi> what are they going to raid? the block chain? [18:21]
deadweasel awesome [18:21]
Chaang-Noi is deepbit behind bitfurry? [18:21]
mircea_popescu i ride the blockchain baby [18:21]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi nope. [18:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4165 @ 0.00067238 = 2.8005 BTC [+] [18:22]
Chaang-Noi dont know enoghh about bitfurry :/ but sounds risky [18:22]
furuknap Hehe, you deduce that from the name? [18:22]
mircea_popescu i think its bitfury [18:22]
Chaang-Noi from the lack of people who i knew that invested in it or think its a good idea [18:23]
optimator is bitfury fpga? or asic? [18:23]
Chaang-Noi bitfury is a better name than bitfurry :) [18:23]
furuknap It is bitfury. So far as I've researched now, and excuse my noobishness if this is obvious, he's a Russian guy that had some incredible talent with FPGAs and then went on to design ASICs. [18:23]
Chaang-Noi they seems to be asic if its 100th [18:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 754 @ 0.01849555 = 13.9456 BTC [+] [18:24]
Chaang-Noi however if they claimed to get 100th with fpga and they sold stock on it, epic troll:) [18:24]
furuknap I've only seen him post in Russian, thought, and my Russian is a bit rusty. [18:24]
Chaang-Noi id give them props for that [18:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.018521 = 1.8521 BTC [+] [18:24]
furuknap No, they're slling it as ASICs. [18:24]
mircea_popescu afaik he/they are russian [18:24]
Chaang-Noi my russian is a bit fury [18:24]
mircea_popescu optimator made a fpga last year, now claims an asic [18:24]
Chaang-Noi still, only chinese have made an asic, (other than bfls 5ghs) [18:25]
Chaang-Noi the 10 or so prototypes [18:25]
mircea_popescu well, so maybe the russians did too. [18:25]
Chaang-Noi he claims to have it now? [18:25]
Chaang-Noi and if made in russia ill be impressed [18:26]
furuknap They claim the wafers are done and ready tro be bumped and packaged, yes. Expected delivery in two weeks. [18:26]
Chaang-Noi oh, interesting [18:26]
furuknap Doesn't have to be made in Russia even if Bitfury is Russian. The 100TH people are from Poland. [18:26]
Chaang-Noi well, i guess we will see [18:26]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/ [18:26]
optimator 2 weeks- does everything in the chip world in two weeks? [18:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 94 @ 0.018521 = 1.741 BTC [+] [18:26]
mircea_popescu there, he put a 100 btc on the theory that he shows working asic doing < 1watt per ghs [18:27]
optimator droped a word - happen [18:27]
mircea_popescu ie, much better than asicminers' [18:27]
mircea_popescu furuknap the 100th people are claioming to have bought his stuff. [18:27]
furuknap Yeah, about 8 times 'better' than AM chips first gen. [18:27]
furuknap Yeah, I'll see if I can find the reference, I have about 28 tabs up right now. [18:27]
mircea_popescu he also claims that 22 peta hash is doable in one run [18:27]
mircea_popescu which is a lot better than asicminer too, seeing how they still don't have the 12th promised for feb/march [18:28]
mircea_popescu but hey. claims are cheap. [18:28]
furuknap That's in chip production. 22 peta isn't exactly deliverable :-) [18:28]
furuknap AM has far more than 12 TH now. [18:28]
mircea_popescu o it does ? [18:28]
Chaang-Noi AM is having problems now with not enough places to run their stuff, they have it, just no internet/electric [18:28]
mircea_popescu where was that ThickAsThieves link [18:28]
furuknap I think they're either pushing or have poassed 20 THs. [18:28]
Chaang-Noi mp, AM has been over 20th for a while [18:28]
ThickAsThieves www.asicminercharts.com [18:29]
furuknap They were scheduled to veliver 3-10 TH per week over the past two weeks. [18:29]
furuknap *deliver [18:29]
mircea_popescu a ok there it is. [18:29]
mircea_popescu happened coupla weeks ago [18:29]
Chaang-Noi they also just sold a shit load of units cuz, people paid crazy prices for them [18:29]
furuknap It's been flat for about a week, though, and I think I read they had problems finding stable space, although that might be earlier. [18:30]
Chaang-Noi they have the hardware just not the space [18:30]
Chaang-Noi that is why they are focusing on selling and making the usb units now [18:30]
Chaang-Noi and at 2 btc each, why the hell not :) [18:30]
mircea_popescu indeed. [18:31]
furuknap Yeah, but they need to sell a hell-uva-lot of them and so far the only order I've seen is a few hundred from a US group buy. [18:31]
mircea_popescu good move to sell as many as they can at that price. [18:31]
Chaang-Noi 10,000 is there run this time around [18:31]
Chaang-Noi there are about 10 group buys and some people getting more than 300 [18:32]
Chaang-Noi easy 5,000 alreasy sold [18:32]
furuknap The European group buy got mad attention after a /. post, selling around 800 in a day. [18:32]
Chaang-Noi tehy will sell all 10,000 units [18:32]
ThickAsThieves i dont like that he made the blade sales private [18:33]
Chaang-Noi what do you mean? [18:33]
Chaang-Noi it was a public auction? [18:33]
ThickAsThieves he has an open thread up [18:34]
furuknap I agree, but I'm sure hell post sales numbers after a while. [18:34]
ThickAsThieves basically you email him how many you want [18:34]
ThickAsThieves made to order [18:34]
Chaang-Noi oh [18:34]
furuknap Chaang: yeah, but not there's a retail thread with "mail me to buy" stuff. [18:34]
Chaang-Noi hmm [18:34]
furuknap *now [18:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14291 @ 0.00067238 = 9.609 BTC [+] [18:34]
Chaang-Noi well honestly at this point, we just have to trust friedat [18:34]
ThickAsThieves obv [18:34]
ThickAsThieves transparency is much nicer tho [18:35]
Chaang-Noi agree [18:35]
Chaang-Noi but even so, we never were going to get 100% like we all want [18:35]
ThickAsThieves not taht people werent already emailing him for deals [18:35]
Chaang-Noi we have no idea how much he is paying for labor, equipment and the like [18:35]
Chaang-Noi people were e-mailing me for deals! [18:35]
furuknap I trust his honesty. A bit skeptical about business abilities. [18:35]
mircea_popescu furuknap he's operationally good, or at least way better than everyone else in btc [18:36]
mircea_popescu financially clueless, but that;'s not exactly a crime, few op managers grok finance. [18:36]
furuknap mp, absolutely, which is why I have faitrh in the operation if they can calm down a bit. [18:36]
Chaang-Noi anyone who can get 255 of the network is going to lack in some areas [18:36]
Chaang-Noi 25% [18:36]
mircea_popescu well they've created a few problems for themselves with the horde of clueless investors, but anyway. [18:36]
mircea_popescu in other news : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/335417437388435457 [18:37]
Chaang-Noi i was clueless when i bought in, i only did it cuz of my past relatioship with him and he seemed like an honest guy. i had no idea how he expected to beat bfl [18:37]
ThickAsThieves lol, mp [18:37]
ThickAsThieves need meme of pope dove and spray of bitcoins [18:38]
furuknap Problem is, if or when there comes a correction, those clueless investors will cry 'bubble share' whenever they can, tainting AMs ability to appeal to serious investors. [18:38]
ThickAsThieves this also depends on how aggressive board seat holders wanna be [18:39]
ThickAsThieves they are the ones with the selling power [18:39]
mircea_popescu totally. [18:41]
furuknap BTW, mp, -PR seems a bit skeptical about the whole 100TH thing. You probably read it already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1495160#msg1495160 [18:42]
Namworld http://i.imgur.com/VEKzIOY.jpg [18:43]
Namworld Pretty sure that's called thievery [18:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8749 BTC [-] [18:43]
Chaang-Noi she thinks AM is a scam too [18:43]
Namworld Sure, I bet the power companies hate it. [18:43]
Chaang-Noi i do think i looked into this before, i did not like what i saw [18:44]
Chaang-Noi pico stocks [18:44]
Chaang-Noi bitfury [18:44]
Chaang-Noi wonder what will happen.. even if legit, could run into same issues as bfl and the chips just dont work [18:45]
furuknap That's always a risk. Same can apply to AM 2nd gen. [18:45]
furuknap Or the Swedes. [18:45]
Chaang-Noi i kinda thought friedcat was smart going with the very very old tech [18:45]
Chaang-Noi and yes the second gen could fail, but AM has so massive deep pockets and the right contacts at this point [18:46]
furuknap Yeah, that was genious, and I mean that. Realizing how complex it would be, he got an old beat-down horse and bet that there wouldn't be any other horses in the race. [18:46]
furuknap He was right, and we've been bathing in gold ever since. [18:46]
furuknap The drawback of that strategy is that he still needs to get a proper racehorse at some point, and the process isn't going to be quicker for him. People think he can just snap his fingers and have 262 TH in production, but with the current tech, that takes a lot of space and he's already running into issues with that. [18:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8748 BTC [-] [18:52]
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furuknap Here's Bitfury with some more technical details on his chip, in the 100TH thread. MP, I doubt he would post there so casually if he had no relationship with 100TH. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1509922#msg1509922 [18:55]
mircea_popescu i don't credit such implications at all. [18:56]
furuknap Ah, I thought you meant something along those lines. I thought you said the only relationship was that 100TH claimed to have purchased Bitfury chips. [18:57]
furuknap My bad if that wasn't your intention. [18:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.01863 = 0.8942 BTC [+] [19:00]
Chaang-Noi 119.9 again.. we cant get higher than that... [19:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.01863 = 0.9688 BTC [+] [19:05]
mircea_popescu furuknap is what i meant. some guy "posting casually" in some forum thread is no argument for anything [19:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00066723 = 1.568 BTC [-] [19:06]
mircea_popescu Chopard jewels worth more than $1 million have been stolen at the Cannes film festival [19:06]
mircea_popescu bitcoin wearers unaffected. [19:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-] [19:06]
ThickAsThieves crash! [19:07]
furuknap Ah, OK. Well, the more I read, the more it seems that there's just way too much effort here to scam someone for peanuts. [19:07]
Chaang-Noi 1.4? lol [19:07]
furuknap I bet an otion exercise :-) [19:07]
Chaang-Noi yeah [19:07]
furuknap *option [19:07]
ThickAsThieves :) [19:07]
Chaang-Noi has to be [19:07]
Chaang-Noi bitcoin wearers unaffected. im going to make a necklace out of a casasicus 1000 gold coin [19:08]
mircea_popescu lol [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.217 BTC [+] [19:09]
Chaang-Noi fuck see that buy wall at 118??? [19:09]
Chaang-Noi if real we are going upppppppp [19:09]
Chaang-Noi on a friday [19:09]
furuknap Wall at 118? I see 750 there if you're talking Gox? [19:10]
Chaang-Noi i see over 9000 [19:10]
Chaang-Noi ;; bids 118 [19:10]
gribble There are currently 10058.458 bitcoins demanded at or over 118.0 USD, worth 1187353.50463 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0059 seconds [19:11]
Chaang-Noi yes that is over 9000 [19:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8425 = 3.685 BTC [+] [19:11]
furuknap Hm... Reloading Clark... [19:11]
furuknap Ah, now it's there... [19:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8402 BTC [-] [19:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8402 BTC [-] [19:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8401 BTC [-] [19:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.835201 BTC [-] [19:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01865 = 0.0933 BTC [+] [19:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01865 BTC [+] [19:12]
Chaang-Noi http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000169018 [19:13]
furuknap This is the Battle of the $120. 10K sell before 122 too. [19:13]
Chaang-Noi 1000 just bought at 19.9 [19:14]
Chaang-Noi almost [19:15]
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Chaang-Noi 119.97 [19:15]
furuknap Everything seems to point to 120+ shortly. Sadly, I chickened out on the Dwolla dip by not buying. I believe I will be hitting myself on the head for that. [19:15]
Chaang-Noi 119.98 [19:15]
furuknap Another 100. [19:16]
furuknap 1K more! [19:17]
furuknap Just a couple hundred left. [19:17]
Chaang-Noi 120 [19:17]
furuknap There we are! [19:17]
Chaang-Noi we got to get over the wall however [19:17]
furuknap Yeah, but it's falling fast. [19:17]
furuknap 1K left. [19:18]
furuknap 900 [19:18]
furuknap 800 [19:18]
furuknap 600 [19:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00066723 = 0.1668 BTC [-] [19:18]
furuknap Damn! [19:18]
furuknap 400 [19:18]
furuknap 200 [19:18]
furuknap 100 [19:18]
furuknap Gone! [19:18]
Chaang-Noi :) [19:18]
davout AAAND IT'S GONE [19:18]
furuknap BUY, BUY, BUY! [19:19]
Chaang-Noi 121 [19:19]
furuknap Holy moses... [19:20]
Chaang-Noi ? [19:20]
Chaang-Noi its a break out [19:20]
Chaang-Noi now we need to see about 125 [19:20]
Chaang-Noi cuz if we do 125!!!! [19:20]
furuknap ...then you sell out and buy a mountain of cocaine? [19:21]
Namworld LIMIT BREAK [19:21]
Chaang-Noi iv already done that [19:21]
Namworld Too much pressure... [19:21]
Chaang-Noi i dont need more hookers and coke money [19:22]
Chaang-Noi anyway off for a beer bbl [19:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067238 = 7.3289 BTC [+] [19:23]
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WILLdude Hi! [19:30]
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furuknap Gribble? GRIBBLE! Noooooo! [19:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01825 = 0.0365 BTC [-] [19:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 225 @ 0.01820001 = 4.095 BTC [-] [19:41]
furuknap To answer my own question from earlier (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1531597#msg1531597): [L]ooks like they sold 518271 shares. IPO is now closed. [19:41]
davout don't do cocaine [19:41]
davout MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR [19:41]
davout :D [19:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.229 BTC [+] [19:48]
furuknap MP, any way to reach you in private? [19:49]
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mircea_popescu furuknap /query mircea_popescu [19:52]
mircea_popescu davout : the girl wants you to know that she's answered "spoken like a true gypsy" in the nigger thread but some mod beleeted it. [19:53]
mircea_popescu now im doing pr for my pr ;/ [19:53]
Chaang-Noi i warned you about here [19:54]
Chaang-Noi her* [19:54]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 51 @ 0.01849 = 0.943 BTC [-] [19:54]
davout mircea_popescu: hah [19:55]
davout mircea_popescu: we shall have a concert for the conference #2 [19:56]
mircea_popescu lol kickass [19:56]
mircea_popescu o, you registered yet ? [19:56]
davout no [19:57]
davout the fee for the music shall be equal to the fee for VIP registration [19:57]
davout xD [19:57]
mircea_popescu yeah but the music is paid after :D [19:57]
Chaang-Noi choo choo mother fucker! [19:58]
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davout mircea_popescu: you got me there! [20:02]
davout mircea_popescu: pay me in alcohol and romanian women [20:02]
mircea_popescu getting people there since 1993 [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [-] [20:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 49 @ 0.0184 = 0.9016 BTC [+] [20:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0183 = 9.15 BTC [-] [20:06]
kakobrekla someone is trying to sell me http://www.zeroblock.com/ [20:06]
kakobrekla omg [20:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [-] [20:07]
kakobrekla >>Fucking Awesome. [20:07]
kakobrekla You feel like a hacker and shit. [20:07]
kakobrekla -- [20:07]
kakobrekla O_o [20:07]
kakobrekla i dont see no skateboard [20:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 108 @ 0.0183 = 1.9764 BTC [-] [20:09]
kakobrekla >We will be launching a product with consolidated, real-time, high-volume market moving news feed. We scrape data from hundreds of news sites, twitter, forums, and company blogs. The data delivered will be highly processed. Features will include summarization, entity recognition, topic recognition, and sentiment analysis. We also can assist in platform integration (UI and API). If you are interested in integrating our data feed, please fee [20:10]
kakobrekla lol [20:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01841 = 0.1841 BTC [-] [20:10]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01839 = 0.0368 BTC [-] [20:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01839 BTC [-] [20:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01839 = 0.0552 BTC [-] [20:12]
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ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2182646#msg2182646 --- furuknap u better ask him to show his math on that one [20:14]
furuknap Hehe :-D [20:15]
furuknap Even you won't be _that_ crazy... [20:15]
ThickAsThieves indeed! [20:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22999 = 0.69 BTC [+] [20:18]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu >> Oh nice! Bitcoin stocks on MPEX was something we were looking at integrating eventually. [20:19]
kakobrekla hehe [20:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01839 = 0.4598 BTC [-] [20:19]
mircea_popescu who's that ? [20:19]
kakobrekla some guy from zeroblock.com [20:19]
furuknap TAT, could you tell me so I don't have to calculate myself, how much you get from the 5% in dividends on AM-PT? [20:20]
mircea_popescu aha... [20:20]
mircea_popescu i dunno what that even is ;/ [20:20]
ThickAsThieves i get 5% [20:20]
furuknap No shit... What's that in BTC, then... [20:21]
ThickAsThieves it changes every week [20:21]
mircea_popescu roughly speaking about .001 btc [20:21]
ThickAsThieves it's very small [20:21]
furuknap From the entire PT? Geez. [20:21]
ThickAsThieves peoplethink of it like 5% of share value [20:22]
ThickAsThieves but its nowhere near that [20:22]
ThickAsThieves way smaller [20:22]
furuknap I realize it's just the dividends. Thought it had higher volumes. [20:22]
ThickAsThieves id need like 5000-10000 for it to even be notable [20:23]
ThickAsThieves we're at like 1000 [20:23]
furuknap ?? Isn't there around 10K on Bitfunder and 30K on BTCT? [20:23]
ThickAsThieves those are no fee [20:24]
ThickAsThieves and not run by me [20:24]
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furuknap https://btct.co/security/TAT.ASICMINER <- Outstanding 28691 [20:24]
ThickAsThieves i only run the fractional pt s [20:24]
ll /100 [20:24]
Chaang-Noi 125 [20:24]
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furuknap Ah, you're talking shares, not fractions. Got it. [20:25]
Namworld 10000 TAT ASICM = 100 ASICM = 3 BTC. x5% = 0.15 BTC or 18 dollars [20:26]
Namworld He has to sell a lot [20:26]
Chaang-Noi and 125 wall is down, fuck yeah [20:26]
Namworld and 3 BTC is the last dividend which was high [20:26]
ThickAsThieves thats one aspect that frustrates me a bit [20:26]
Namworld uh? [20:26]
ThickAsThieves is people make a big deal about the 5% [20:26]
Namworld 125 is far from being down [20:26]
Namworld 120 is [20:26]
Namworld has been for a while [20:26]
ThickAsThieves but it's nothing [20:26]
ThickAsThieves they dont grasp the math [20:27]
Namworld Wait... it is [20:27]
Namworld It's slow on the updating here [20:27]
Bugpowder 125 is down [20:27]
Bugpowder $1M buy [20:27]
Bugpowder went off [20:27]
ThickAsThieves wow [20:27]
furuknap Yeah, I just thought it was way bigger in volume. [20:27]
Bugpowder the 118 bidwall is down [20:27]
Bugpowder too [20:27]
mircea_popescu From the entire PT? Geez. << no dude. dividend was like 2%. he gets 1/20 iof that [20:27]
mircea_popescu so 1 per thousand. if he has 1k btc total float 1 btc [20:28]
ThickAsThieves furuknap, I actually recall you were the fist one to give me shit about it [20:28]
* ThickAsThieves drops a math bomb on furuknap [20:28]
furuknap Yeah, because the volume should be much higher. I realize it didn't become as huge as when I suggested it. [20:29]
Chaang-Noi i still see the 118 bid wall ? [20:29]
Chaang-Noi bugpowder do you have me on ignore? [20:29]
Bugpowder nope [20:29]
Bugpowder wall at 118 used to be 10k [20:30]
ThickAsThieves what volume should be higher? [20:30]
Chaang-Noi wtf why did nam world say 125 is far from being dow, when it was gone? [20:30]
Bugpowder just the wall itself [20:30]
Bugpowder different sites are lagging [20:30]
ThickAsThieves 5% of divs is entirely disproportionate a same to worry about considering the share value [20:30]
Chaang-Noi i see, lag... [20:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.018312 = 0.9156 BTC [-] [20:30]
ThickAsThieves do math on if i had 5000 whole-shares [20:30]
Chaang-Noi hmm i wonder if my having fiber is an edge :/ [20:30]
ThickAsThieves and what those are worth [20:30]
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ThickAsThieves vs 5% of divs [20:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8722 BTC [+] [20:31]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.018311 = 0.3662 BTC [-] [20:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00066943 = 5.255 BTC [-] [20:31]
furuknap Well, there is a major difference betwen being a PT operator and holding shares. You can be a PT operator and not hold a single share yourself. [20:32]
ThickAsThieves can you? [20:32]
ThickAsThieves if i hold 5000 shares for the PT [20:33]
Chaang-Noi nake short selling for the wi! [20:33]
ThickAsThieves i'm still responsible for $1m worth of assets [20:33]
furuknap Of course you can. Why wouldn't you? [20:33]
Chaang-Noi naked* [20:33]
Chaang-Noi win* [20:33]
ThickAsThieves none of this is naked [20:33]
furuknap I hope not :-) [20:33]
Chaang-Noi just ask mp how profitable selling short 40,000 btc worth of pirate shit would ahve been worth. [20:33]
ThickAsThieves it's all provable [20:33]
ThickAsThieves I posted my transparency report [20:34]
ThickAsThieves no other PT operator does that [20:34]
ThickAsThieves go ahead and ask DT and Burnside to show their shares [20:34]
ThickAsThieves I'd be interested to see em [20:34]
furuknap Of course, I have no reason not to trust you, but you still don't have to hold personal shares, which is totally different from holding shares from someone else and routing the dividends. [20:34]
ThickAsThieves indeed [20:34]
ThickAsThieves but still a large liability [20:34]
furuknap I understand there is work involved, but I saw the regular PT numbers and thought it would be much more interest in the 100PTs. [20:35]
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ThickAsThieves the PTs that charge no fee [20:35]
ThickAsThieves are gamed [20:35]
ThickAsThieves essentially [20:35]
ThickAsThieves DT gets something out of the deal [20:35]
ThickAsThieves we just dont know what [20:35]
furuknap Actually burnside reaps from trading because it is his exchange. [20:35]
ThickAsThieves yep [20:35]
ThickAsThieves but [20:35]
furuknap AM has been very, very profitable for him. That's why he took the fee away. [20:35]
ThickAsThieves large conflict of interest there no? [20:35]
ThickAsThieves he can game things from within [20:36]
furuknap Of course there is, but he's very clear about it. [20:36]
Chaang-Noi oh, i know burnside has a significant number of shares [20:36]
Chaang-Noi i sold them and had friedcat send them to him personally [20:36]
ThickAsThieves doesnt mean he still holds them [20:36]
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Chaang-Noi he could have sold 2 or 3 times what i sent, but i know he has many many many [20:36]
ThickAsThieves I'm not accusing so much as saying I think they SHOULD show proof [20:37]
Chaang-Noi yeah, iv wondered about this too [20:37]
ThickAsThieves Burnside would pass off his PT if it didnt have to be no-fee [20:37]
Chaang-Noi but really... have to read the contract [20:37]
Chaang-Noi some times naked short selling is fine [20:37]
ThickAsThieves but bitfunder painted him into a corner [20:37]
ThickAsThieves being no fee [20:37]
ThickAsThieves so DT must be getting something out of it [20:38]
Chaang-Noi he just wanted to keep people on his exchange, as he knew AM was the best hing evar [20:38]
ThickAsThieves right [20:38]
Chaang-Noi he had the first PT thanks to me [20:38]
ThickAsThieves but DT does all the work [20:38]
ThickAsThieves and trust me, there's work [20:38]
Chaang-Noi DT has nothing to do with burnside [20:38]
furuknap I think I heard why DT runs his PT for free sometime, but can't for the life of me remember what it was. [20:38]
ThickAsThieves talking about BF chaang [20:38]
Chaang-Noi ahh [20:39]
Chaang-Noi DT did it for free cuz ukto helped out DT in the past [20:39]
ThickAsThieves if BF didnt start with no-fee [20:39]
Chaang-Noi paying back a favour [20:39]
ThickAsThieves Burnside wouldnt have done no-fee [20:39]
mircea_popescu we just dont know what << funny cause i'm just writing an article sort of on the topic [20:39]
mircea_popescu be about 10 mins [20:39]
Chaang-Noi TAT i know [20:39]
Chaang-Noi mp, spreading fud, awesome :) [20:39]
ThickAsThieves hehe [20:39]
ThickAsThieves as i see it [20:40]
ThickAsThieves it's unhealthy [20:40]
ThickAsThieves to do no-fee [20:40]
ThickAsThieves it starts bad trends [20:40]
furuknap I agree, and to me, it's a red flag. [20:40]
Chaang-Noi he gets a fee by having people lose a percent on every buy and sell [20:40]
ThickAsThieves like exchanges running their own PT [20:40]
ThickAsThieves kickbacks [20:40]
ThickAsThieves etc [20:40]
Chaang-Noi also people join his exchange [20:40]
ThickAsThieves if your operators dont have incentive [20:40]
ThickAsThieves theyll find it elsewhere [20:40]
Chaang-Noi he tried to get me to run the pt but i would not do it being a us site and all [20:41]
taub PT DT? [20:41]
ThickAsThieves i guess i better fix my cookie [20:41]
Chaang-Noi he talked to me personally,as im the guy who cooked him up so he could do it,. he just wanted it on his exchang first [20:41]
Chaang-Noi taub pass though deadterra [20:41]
ThickAsThieves i started mine with shares i actually held [20:41]
ThickAsThieves no if/then deals [20:41]
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taub ah [20:42]
Chaang-Noi he had an options contract with me held by jahn the dong [20:42]
KRS1 whats with that wall at $125 [20:42]
Chaang-Noi the only question was if friedcat would move them or not [20:42]
Chaang-Noi krs1 wall is dead [20:42]
KRS1 hmm [20:43]
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Chaang-Noi or you mean the buy wall? [20:43]
Chaang-Noi the wall from 118 went to 125 [20:43]
KRS1 oh ok [20:43]
Chaang-Noi now its gone [20:43]
Chaang-Noi 122.22 again [20:43]
Chaang-Noi no one is seeing the same market at the same time, crazy shit [20:44]
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kakobrekla http://blockchained.com/depth_mtgox_15d.png [20:44]
kakobrekla fun. [20:44]
ThickAsThieves ;;asks 200 [20:44]
Chaang-Noi yes kako :) [20:45]
ThickAsThieves ;bids 100 [20:45]
furuknap Gribble is dead. [20:45]
ThickAsThieves oh [20:45]
Chaang-Noi the best is the asks [20:45]
Bugpowder munch munch [20:45]
Chaang-Noi you mean choo choo motherfucker! [20:45]
kakobrekla you mean fyl chickun ? [20:45]
ThickAsThieves fly chikun in flight, afternoon delight [20:46]
Chaang-Noi that is for ltc [20:46]
Chaang-Noi choo choo motherfucker is for btc [20:46]
furuknap Uhm... Did LTC just have a rocket up its ass? [20:46]
Chaang-Noi kako, keep uo with the almost weekly changing slang [20:46]
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Chaang-Noi ltc is about where it was a day ago [20:47]
Chaang-Noi ltc is down from a week ago [20:47]
kakobrekla well Chaang-Noi thanks for providing slang updating service [20:47]
furuknap Actually, it's up about 10% vs BTC and 20% vs USD just in a couple of hours on BTCE. [20:47]
Chaang-Noi np [20:47]
furuknap Dammit! I just sold one of my GPUs to buy LTC and didn't get the cash in time. [20:48]
Bugpowder LTC is a joke [20:48]
Bugpowder bubble in a bubbl [20:49]
furuknap Then you stay away, problem solved :-) [20:49]
Chaang-Noi yes, ltc is a joke, a joke so funny i made $500,000 [20:49]
Chaang-Noi iv made so much more off of ltc than btc [20:49]
taub dat book ratio [20:50]
ThickAsThieves dominos is slinging pizza-flavored DVDs [20:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bringing-forth-the-light-of-holy-economy/ [20:51]
taub two new coins at btce... [20:52]
taub ftc and cnc what hte fug [20:52]
Chaang-Noi off to bed, night all [20:52]
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ThickAsThieves so far I love "I can’t have fun behaving uneconomically." [20:54]
mircea_popescu it's basically the same idea, "crafting is for fun not for making tria" vs "running pts is for fun not for making btc" [20:55]
mircea_popescu people are very much used to this basically nonsensical crap they spend their life in cause it's "easier" [20:55]
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error4733 ;;ticker [20:57]
furuknap Gribble dead. [20:57]
furuknap It's roughly 125, tho... [20:58]
furuknap :-) [20:58]
error4733 griblebackup ? please [20:58]
ThickAsThieves mp, the article is funny, but i was anticipating someting more directly bitcoin-provocative :( [20:58]
ThickAsThieves like "hey fuckface, show me the fucking proof and tell me all ur backroom dealz nao!" [20:59]
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ThickAsThieves or waxing on why no-fee is bad for bitcoin investing [21:00]
ThickAsThieves i guess i'm free to write my own shit [21:00]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.875 = 3.75 BTC [+] [21:03]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.879 = 9.395 BTC [+] [21:04]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves gegege [21:04]
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assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+] [21:07]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01839 = 1.839 BTC [+] [21:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4 = 7 BTC [-] [21:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.2202 = 1.5414 BTC [+] [21:12]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01839 = 0.1655 BTC [+] [21:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 432 @ 0.0183 = 7.9056 BTC [-] [21:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8795 BTC [+] [21:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 99 @ 0.01849 = 1.8305 BTC [+] [21:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0183 = 1.098 BTC [-] [21:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01849 = 0.0925 BTC [+] [21:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 13 @ 0.002789 = 0.0363 BTC [+] [21:27]
jurov mircea_popescu: maybe you can help him? http://blog.dwolla.com/i-want-to-work-with-more-women/ [21:30]
mircea_popescu i can, which doesn't mean i will. [21:30]
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jcpham http://youtu.be/NlwGP4VhkWA [21:32]
mircea_popescu anyway, the reason women don't work for him is cause he's a creepy looking dude. [21:32]
mircea_popescu (i asked my own hr) [21:32]
ThickAsThieves what a weird blog [21:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8798 BTC [+] [21:33]
ThickAsThieves " I’m trying to see if you’re building something and if so, on what, for whom, so I can figure out how to find you." [21:33]
ThickAsThieves good luck, buddy! [21:33]
mircea_popescu and yeah, he writes the creepiest shit too [21:33]
jcpham what if the woman wants you to be her dominant partner [21:34]
jcpham and she wants to be the sub [21:34]
jcpham no kissing [21:34]
ThickAsThieves from comments: [21:34]
ThickAsThieves "This is amazing, thanks for posting this Ben! If Dwolla was located in Chicago I'd be applying for a front-end dev job right now." [21:34]
ThickAsThieves 'front end dev' is that what they call it these days ;) [21:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22999 = 0.46 BTC [+] [21:35]
mircea_popescu i think she means front end loading [21:35]
mircea_popescu as in, no anal. [21:35]
furuknap It is. Quite common term, actually. It's all HTML5 and moving things and stuff. [21:35]
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ThickAsThieves it was a joke furuk [21:35]
furuknap I realize that. [21:35]
ThickAsThieves i'll stick to my day job [21:35]
mircea_popescu boom-tssss [21:35]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.002789 = 0.0251 BTC [+] [21:36]
ThickAsThieves comment from a male [21:36]
ThickAsThieves "Possibly put an intern or Jenna (if she has time) on reach out duty" [21:36]
ThickAsThieves hehe [21:37]
ThickAsThieves okay i'll stop being a 13yo [21:37]
ThickAsThieves oh furuknap, look at this horrible math error https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2183514#msg2183514 [21:38]
ThickAsThieves he thinks max share price for 1 share is all bitcoins [21:38]
ThickAsThieves I think he missed something there [21:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.0186 = 0.2046 BTC [+] [21:39]
furuknap I think a lot of the people right now are missing something, possibly vital too. [21:39]
ThickAsThieves even impossible if you divide by 400k [21:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+] [21:40]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01849 = 0.7211 BTC [+] [21:42]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.841 BTC [-] [21:43]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01832 = 0.0916 BTC [-] [21:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0183 = 0.915 BTC [-] [21:44]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+] [21:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.8725 = 7.49 BTC [+] [21:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01821 = 0.3642 BTC [-] [21:53]
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furuknap Damn, I so want to publish my numbers and model. I'll hold back, though. If I'm right, it's easily proven after the fact. If I'm wrong, it won't help anyone. [21:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01821 BTC [-] [22:01]
ThickAsThieves you can always share here [22:02]
ThickAsThieves it's not quite like broadcasting n forums [22:02]
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kakobrekla its not like we have a log or anything. [22:02]
furuknap Heh, yeah, that'd stay secret for about, I don't know, 10ns? [22:03]
ThickAsThieves didn't know it was an all-out "secret" [22:04]
jcpham insider information welcomed anytime in #bitcoin-assets! [22:04]
ThickAsThieves ^ [22:04]
jcpham no regulators here, just friendlies [22:05]
furuknap It's not a 'secret' per se, but if I'm right and publish in advance, I'll just be charged with trying to manipulate the price. I have no intention of manipulating anything. I have no insider information, just an analysis that shows there is no way for investors to recouperate their investments at these levels. [22:06]
jurov you have 10ns ping? /me want [22:06]
furuknap Besides, it's mostly targeted at surviving 2016. Most 'investors' now don't see past the next dividend. I doubt it will help anyone. [22:06]
jurov bitcoin pensionary fund operators might be interested [22:07]
jurov ;;next [22:08]
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furuknap It's really not that complicated. It makes a couple of assumptions. 1) With the current dividend level, AM will focus solely on churning out cash, not preparing for 2016 halving, and 2) in 2016 due to halving of revenue, share prices will halve too. If those assumptions are correct, you simply divide half the current share price over the number of weeks or months, subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi [22:10]
mircea_popescu vh [22:10]
mircea_popescu furuknap : make a statement of it, publish the hash of it [22:10]
mircea_popescu then later you can publish the statement [22:11]
mircea_popescu maybe also publish the wordcount, just in case kids don't comprehend hashing. [22:11]
furuknap I was thinking something like that, but really, is isn't required. The numbers won't change so they are the same in three months or a year and will just show the same results. [22:11]
kakobrekla you got cut [22:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872 BTC [-] [22:12]
kakobrekla > subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi [22:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+] [22:12]
furuknap subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (which technically is also an assumption). [22:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8725 = 3.745 BTC [+] [22:12]
mircea_popescu no mining asset halved during the reward halving [22:13]
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jcpham what's so bad about being charged with manipulating the price [22:14]
furuknap That's why it's an assumption, but really, AM must double their network percentage to maintain the same dividends. AM wasn't paying mining-based dividends at anything close to what they're expecting over the next years. [22:14]
mircea_popescu i doubt price formation has much to do with any sort of rational thinking. [22:14]
jcpham mining turds never repay [22:14]
jcpham got to get out early [22:15]
mircea_popescu the main components are 1. people wish to participate, they see mining as participation, they can't afford rigs so this is the next best [22:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1955 = 0.391 BTC [-] [22:15]
furuknap Oh, I agree. People bay hundreds of dollars for an iPhone and that is just a piece of shit. [22:15]
jurov and you seem to imply that AM will be around in unchanged form 3 years from now, and also we won't increase blocksize (and thus txfees). which is pretty unlikely. [22:15]
mircea_popescu 2. people wish to be "together", this is like the one thing where they can be together [22:15]
mircea_popescu "so guise, do you think price is going up" [22:15]
furuknap The model actually assumes a certain block size increase. [22:15]
mircea_popescu it's like birds chipring to one another "op there's many of us we'll be safe chirp chirp" [22:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191001 BTC [-] [22:15]
Scrat supernodes are pumping the price [22:15]
Scrat fuck supernodes, man [22:15]
furuknap Yeah, and that herd is driving the price now, not anything fndamental. [22:15]
mircea_popescu jurov not increasing blocksize is what increases fees. [22:16]
furuknap Really, it doesn't bother me if people mindlessly run in one direction, but I'm somewhat bothered by having information that may help people not get burned. If they still want to stampede, fine. [22:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.191 = 0.573 BTC [-] [22:17]
mircea_popescu so publish it [22:17]
furuknap I doubt very many people realize all the factors in evaluating AM sustainability and are just seeing huge dividends, expecting that to stick around forever. [22:17]
ThickAsThieves I think your ideas are riddled with assumptions [22:18]
jcpham pics or didn't happen [22:18]
jcpham where is tiberiusv [22:18]
jurov mircea_popescu: that remains to seen whether the demand is really so elastic. [22:18]
ThickAsThieves One doesn't just assume in bitcoin [22:18]
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Scrat jcpham: banned [22:18]
jcpham drats [22:19]
ThickAsThieves a number of your assumptions are also in contrast with known history [22:19]
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ThickAsThieves making them that much more potentially "wild" [22:19]
ThickAsThieves that said [22:19]
ThickAsThieves I could use a little dip in the price [22:19]
ThickAsThieves so fire away [22:19]
jurov we need soros-level analysis instead of these maff nerds [22:20]
jurov he claims to take irrationality into account [22:20]
jurov and hype [22:21]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.845 BTC [-] [22:21]
jurov seems to work for him [22:21]
furuknap At some point, someone will do that math. Bitcoin mining is quite predictable due to its finite reward. If we had inflation, this wouldn't be a problem. [22:22]
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jurov lol do tell me, i sell diff derivatives. but btc price is pretty much not predictable, and it affects am much. [22:23]
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ThickAsThieves what if in 3 years, 80% of AM revenue is hardware sales [22:24]
ThickAsThieves what if in 2 years AM sells the company at a 25% premium? [22:24]
furuknap TAT: Yeah, that could be a solution, but to do that, there would need to be funds for research, production, marketing, etc, etc, etc. Right now, it doesn't seem like friedcat is willing to think that far ahead. [22:25]
ThickAsThieves where did you get that impression? [22:25]
furuknap They may sell, but they'll sell to someone far better at math than me. [22:25]
ThickAsThieves surely they would not sell to a mathematician [22:26]
jurov $oi [22:26]
jurov $oix [22:26]
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furuknap From pouring out as much dividend as possible. I'm not saying "No" to dividends, I'm saying a pile of cash in the hands of friedcat is better at ensuring sustainability than a ton of dimes in the hands of thousands of investors. [22:26]
jurov !ticker m ^oix [22:26]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [22:26]
jurov O.o [22:26]
ThickAsThieves they do not always pay out 100% divs [22:26]
ThickAsThieves they have retained much [22:26]
ThickAsThieves and will retain in the future [22:26]
ThickAsThieves they just didnt this week [22:27]
furuknap They wouldn't have to pay half that. People don't seem to realize that not paying dividends doesn't mean the money is burned in a forge. [22:27]
ThickAsThieves i dont think you are listening [22:27]
ThickAsThieves they have reserves [22:27]
ThickAsThieves and add to them some weeks [22:27]
ThickAsThieves just not all weeks [22:28]
ThickAsThieves they are planning next-gen already [22:28]
ThickAsThieves they are planning 1000TH before year's end as a conservative goal [22:29]
furuknap I know that has been said. I haven't been able to figure out how much. [22:29]
ThickAsThieves you probably could [22:29]
ThickAsThieves would take digging [22:29]
furuknap Well, it's really moot. I'll have my models in a year too, and even longer :-) [22:29]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8724 = 3.7448 BTC [+] [22:31]
jurov $avg [22:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.8724 = 5.6172 BTC [+] [22:32]
mpexbot jurov: 117.10 [22:32]
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furuknap BTW, out of curiosity, if there came a tender offer on AM, how would the PTs handle that? Vote? [22:34]
ThickAsThieves my PT has no voting rights [22:35]
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ThickAsThieves I dont think AM shares have them either [22:35]
furuknap That's my point. I'm sure the buyer would want to know whether they could buy... [22:35]
ThickAsThieves probably a board decision [22:35]
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furuknap Board can't decide whether someone sells. [22:35]
ThickAsThieves my PT acts in kind with the underlying asset [22:36]
ThickAsThieves if AM sold [22:36]
ThickAsThieves there would be a mass buyback [22:36]
furuknap Hm... [22:37]
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furuknap If there was a forced buy-back... By whose authority would that happen? It would be according to Chinese law, I would presume. However, since the PT-holder don't hold shares, the buyback would be against the PT operator. [22:38]
furuknap I need to get to bed, I'm seeing wafer designs on the inside of my eyelids. [22:39]
furuknap Talk to you guys another day. [22:39]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0182 = 0.2366 BTC [-] [22:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.0182 = 3.64 BTC [-] [22:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01855 = 3.71 BTC [-] [22:45]
jurov mircea_popescu: where is mpoe bot? [22:45]
mircea_popescu mmm [22:45]
mircea_popescu smickles_ runs him [22:45]
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jurov smickles_ abducted him? [22:46]
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mircea_popescu prolly connectivity issues ? [22:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00066943 = 2.2761 BTC [-] [22:46]
jurov $avg works [22:46]
jurov i hope [22:47]
jurov $avg [22:47]
mpexbot jurov: 117.10 [22:47]
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mircea_popescu ok so then what's the problem [22:47]
makomk malaimo maximian metabyte_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mjr_ mjr___ mod6 mpexbot [22:47]
makomk malaimo maximian metabyte_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mjr_ mjr___ mod6 mpexbot [22:47]
jurov ic, i can create any options i want and sell to myself. all solved. [22:48]
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mircea_popescu huh ?! [22:55]
jcpham definitely [22:55]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [23:04]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard. [23:04]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013 [23:04]
Namworld Coinroll really getting a good betting volume. And it won't IPO =/ [23:05]
jurov truffles IPO your booze then [23:06]
jurov should appreciate over time... but delivery of dividends would be problematic [23:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01821 = 0.0364 BTC [+] [23:07]
Namworld I'd totally invest in your booze, truffles [23:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01821 = 0.0911 BTC [+] [23:07]
jurov maybe ThickAsThieves could figure passthrough :DDDD [23:07]
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* Namworld forcibly "invests" in truffles booze at the price set by Namworld's regulation. [23:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8797 = 3.7594 BTC [+] [23:09]
taub i love the sierrachart jabs at mtgox [23:10]
taub >Interesting. Never heard of such a concept when it comes to trading. We would think that immediate execution should always be achieved as much as possible. [23:10]
mircea_popescu taub context ? [23:10]
taub regarding the goxlag [23:11]
mircea_popescu o [23:11]
taub http://www.sierrachart.com/SupportBoard.php?ThreadID=527 [23:11]
taub and that other one regarding socket io [23:11]
taub We see that the MTGox data feed is not entirely reliable and also from an engineering perspective, its technical implementation really is very confusing and not well structured. They are using what is called a web socket and then on top of that Socket I/O . This is unnecessary and the method by which this is implemented is not technically correct. So we are not very impressed with the MTGox data feed. This is just a comment. [23:11]
optimator jcpham: homemade rye is nice as long as the rye is in moderation [23:12]
jcpham i like a strong pale [23:12]
jcpham like hops too [23:12]
jcpham homebrewing is legal now as of a few days ago [23:12]
jcpham thinking about starting [23:13]
optimator i'm searching for the perfect porter - that balances hops and sweetness [23:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8797 BTC [+] [23:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01821 BTC [+] [23:16]
optimator it's funny the things the state tries to regulate [23:16]
jcpham http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ejcul/6k_invested_in_the_asicminer_ipo_would_value_12m/ [23:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01855 = 1.855 BTC [-] [23:17]
jcpham funny i sold yesterday [23:17]
jcpham ho hum [23:17]
jcpham damn these asics [23:17]
jcpham nope [23:17]
mircea_popescu lol noobs and their issues. always funny. [23:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0186 = 0.186 BTC [+] [23:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8798 = 3.7596 BTC [+] [23:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002577 = 0.0129 BTC [+] [23:28]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 88 @ 0.002578 = 0.2269 BTC [+] [23:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 140 @ 0.002589 = 0.3625 BTC [+] [23:31]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01821 = 0.1093 BTC [+] [23:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066701 = 2.8822 BTC [-] [23:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000667 = 6.67 BTC [-] [23:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.00066578 = 1.9834 BTC [-] [23:36]
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assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01821 = 0.5281 BTC [+] [23:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8798 BTC [+] [23:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0186 = 0.093 BTC [+] [23:42]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.01821 = 0.6374 BTC [+] [23:43]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.002789 = 0.0139 BTC [+] [23:45]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01849 = 0.8136 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01849 BTC [+] [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00066984 = 3.2487 BTC [+] [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1694 @ 0.00067238 = 1.139 BTC [+] [23:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 55 @ 0.0186 = 1.023 BTC [+] [23:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0186 = 0.0372 BTC [+] [23:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+] [23:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0399 BTC [+] [23:53]
jcpham http://quantabytes.com/articles/report-for-day-zero-of-bitcoin-2013-the-future-of-payments [23:53]
jcpham mircea_popescu, [23:53]
jcpham "Wences Casares, founder of Lemon" [23:53]
mircea_popescu yea ? [23:53]
jcpham did you know that [23:53]
jcpham the rota case guy runs a wallet [23:54]
jcpham http://lemon.com/ [23:54]
mircea_popescu yeah. [23:54]
jcpham i spend so much time in the dark in the cold. [23:54]
jcpham in the rain. [23:54]
mircea_popescu he was at my conference, we talked abnout it... [23:54]
kakobrekla and he is on this chan. [23:55]
jcpham super [23:55]
* jcpham crawls back in his hole [23:55]
mircea_popescu lol poor josh [23:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01849 = 0.0555 BTC [+] [23:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0186 = 0.0744 BTC [+] [23:56]
jcpham it's probably beeter that i don't know who people are or give a shit [23:56]
mircea_popescu y ? [23:56]
jcpham possible fixation [23:56]
jcpham i'm easily distracted [23:56]
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jcpham so the bitcoin conference started today? [23:57]
KRS1 mtgox has namecoin in their api too i did not know this..they must be at least slightly interested in the alt coins [23:58]
jurov ofc: Will Bitcoin be able to scale in the face of exponential growth? Mike answered "yes" and without the need for "Bitcoin banks" or supernodes. [23:59]
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