Forum logs for 17 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

BingoBoingo	decimation: November	[00:00]
decimation	https://powergen.gepower.com/plan-build/products/gas-turbines/9e-03-gas-turbine.html < would burn in something like this	[00:00]
assbot	9E.03 / 9E.04 Gas Turbine (50 Hz) \| GE Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkVTo )	[00:00]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Point releases happen in May and November on the first	[00:00]
decimation	BingoBoingo: ah thanks	[00:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44551 @ 0.00055454 = 24.7053 BTC [+] {2}	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	because who the fuck else would not know what fuel he wants to burn	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	in any case the generality comes at an efficiency cost.	[00:07]
decimation	well, a turbine can burn anything. but it's true that if you are burning raw crude it will foul your turbine and require much more maintenance	[00:08]
decimation	because of all the solvents and other shit in the oil	[00:08]
decimation	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_GTELs < us railroads used to run these right through the middle of the countryside, belching foul shit	[00:09]
assbot	Union Pacific GTELs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOmIro )	[00:09]
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BingoBoingo	They still run through the middle of my countryside, still belch foul shit	[00:10]
decimation	yeah but probably all diesel now	[00:10]
decimation	it seems the real problem with burning crude or heavy fuel oil is that if you have enough civilization to refine the oil, you can make it into much more profitable products	[00:13]
decimation	the net effect being that the amount of 'heavy fuel' (bunker b and c) has shrunk compared to old process - making it more expensive than just using diesel	[00:14]
decimation	this isn't really true in areas that have no advanced refining available	[00:14]
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mircea_popescu	soo... imo musk's electric car has failed to reach the sort of growth patterns and penetration goals it needed to survive. it therefore peaked sometime last year, and it will go the same way all the numerous attempts at an electric car since the 20s have went.	[00:15]
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mircea_popescu	anyone wanna enter into a tesla stock swap with me /	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	?	[00:16]
decimation	lul	[00:16]
decimation	you should make a F.DERP for it?	[00:16]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204022 << the ultimate such is said to be... 'abrams' tank.	[00:17]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 03:03:55; mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps	[00:17]
asciilifeform	which burns, iirc, ten litres, just to start	[00:17]
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decimation	asciilifeform: yes, but could probably run on 'jungle oil' if it isn't solidified	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	there is good reason to build a universal engine into a tank intended for 1950s style attreition war.	[00:18]
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mircea_popescu	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Union_Pacific_first_generation_GTEL_locomotive_1953.JPG << electric car, ftr.	[00:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1fOop8j )	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	1923 Detroit Electric.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	late in the game, too	[00:21]
asciilifeform	height of electromobile was 1890s	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	(exactly the hipster car of today, incdentally. marketed to women and doctors, had curved glass panes, etc)	[00:21]
decimation	honestly elon musk strikes me as a highbrow scammer	[00:21]
decimation	he's figured out how to sell 'dreams' in exchange for usg subsidy and hype	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	this is the case of all us "entrepreneurs" active today.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	what's mark cuban ?	[00:22]
decimation	to be fair, he does deliver products - rockets, cars, etc	[00:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: musk is different in the sense of not running the usual 'populist' chumpatron	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	scammed yahoo out of a billion, once	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	made 100 different decisions since, 100 of which were wrong.	[00:23]
decimation	but the economic prospects appear highly dubious	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	a man batting < 1% is certainly not possessed of a clue in the field.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	yet he sleeps ad libitum.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	all idiots sleep well.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	that's the mark of idiocy.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	sorta the converse of the usual 'if yer so smart, why aitcha rich' line	[00:23]
asciilifeform	'if he's such a moron, why does he sleep ad libitum and has no fear of having to do honest wurk'	[00:24]
asciilifeform	ditto branson	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	lol branson, another fine example.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	he's the business world equivalent of a russian prison whore.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	every cock was in his asshole.	[00:24]
asciilifeform	yet no matter what these folks do, they never seem to end up begging for change	[00:25]
asciilifeform	or washing cars	[00:25]
asciilifeform	'wouldn't do', to have royalty besmirched thus	[00:25]
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mircea_popescu	msot of them do, yes.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	the substantial difference between the subset here named and the rest of the set consisting of various reddit experts and your spamming friend has nothing to do with them	[00:29]
asciilifeform	re: oils: was very surprised to discover english (!) piece, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazut	[00:30]
assbot	Mazut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTrt98 )	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	some earthworms find incredible caches of forgotten artefacts. doth not qualify them as archeologists.	[00:30]
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mats	tesla doesn't sell electric cars	[00:31]
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mats	they sell batteries and infrastructure	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	romania has a bunch of these "intreprinzatori de carton", ie, cardboard entrepreneurs. one notable case (currently in jail) got to keep ~2bn worth of romanian govt money in 1989, on condition of supporting his friends.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	kept getting 3-500mn/year after that	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	never actually supported anyone worth a squat and is now ~broke	[00:31]
decimation	mats: ?? they have dealer rooms?	[00:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.0005594 = 23.9144 BTC [+] {2}	[00:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: these are sop in the orc world, ru being perhaps the absolute epicentre. but in usa they are especially lulzy on account of the elaborate presences of 'doing business'	[00:32]
mats	that was hyperbolic but you see my point yes?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	mats the offer stands, you know.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just as ellaborate on the other side.	[00:32]
mats	hey, didn't say i'd bet against you	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	catering to different expecations, yes, but anyway	[00:33]
mats	they are massively overvalued right now and i would not be interested in taking the other side	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[00:33]
mats	decimation: http://www.cnet.com/news/teslas-elon-musk-introduces-beautiful-money-saving-home-battery-back-up-system etc	[00:33]
assbot	Tesla's Elon Musk introduces 'beautiful' money-saving home battery backup system - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTs0I1 )	[00:33]
decimation	yes, note that this battery system costs many times more than lead-acid	[00:33]
decimation	thus appealing to the kinds of people who want to store electricity but don't care about how much things cost	[00:34]
trinque	I've seen a great many Solar City fliers around, speaking of Musk.	[00:34]
trinque	(in Portland)	[00:34]
trinque	hilariously, these would be useless during the rainy season	[00:35]
asciilifeform	decimation: who 'doesn't care what it costs' - uses pumped hydro	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, yes they produce cars, and the model s sold a whopping... 75k units	[00:35]
decimation	trinque: they also rely heavily on subsidy	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	that's exactly detroit electric volume touched up for the intervening century.	[00:35]
trinque	decimation: certainly, and loose financing	[00:35]
mats	asciilifeform: yes, and all usable sources have already been dammed	[00:35]
asciilifeform	mats: ~pumped~	[00:35]
asciilifeform	as in, gigantic bottles.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business.	[00:35]
asciilifeform	mats: energy storage.	[00:36]
mats	oh, right. up and down hills and mountains.	[00:36]
mats	i forgot how efficient it is	[00:36]
asciilifeform	beats li ion	[00:36]
asciilifeform	and the water - doesn't wear out after 200 cycles	[00:36]
decimation	yeah, as in pumping to high lake and draining when needed, like this plant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station	[00:36]
assbot	Dinorwig Power Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTskGR )	[00:36]
mats	fuck, people are still setting off fireworks in my area	[00:37]
asciilifeform	usg actually had (has?) some chick leading a crackpot mains current to hydrocarbon (yes, electrolysis + oddball catalysts) mega-wunderwaffen dept. in the navy	[00:37]
asciilifeform	no idea if it ever came up with a working nuke-to-petrol magic box.	[00:38]
decimation	asciilifeform: whatever for?	[00:38]
decimation	lol	[00:38]
decimation	if you wanna waste electricity like that, might as well just split water and use hydrogen	[00:38]
asciilifeform	fueling up jets from seawater + nuke plant, was the notion.	[00:38]
asciilifeform	can't do worth shit with h2	[00:38]
asciilifeform	certainly not in a jet	[00:39]
decimation	yeah at least not in any existing ones	[00:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.0005649 = 14.9134 BTC [+]	[00:39]
asciilifeform	anything involving gaseous h2 is the archetypical 'assembly line for ph.d.'	[00:39]
asciilifeform	ever seen a hose for liquid h ?	[00:39]
decimation	heh I've seen pictures	[00:39]
mats	any idea what fuels modern jets? certainly not jp-9 anymore?	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	just about.	[00:39]
asciilifeform	iirc same thing everyone else burns	[00:40]
decimation	kerosene, more or less	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	iirc the "ethanol jet" thing got canned	[00:40]
asciilifeform	jp-a	[00:40]
mats	>A kerosene-based fuel, JP-8 is projected to remain in use at least until 2025. It was first introduced at NATO bases in 1978. Its NATO code is F-34.	[00:41]
mats	how about that. late 70s tech still keeping the lights on.	[00:41]
decimation	sure, turbine burns kerosene just fine	[00:41]
asciilifeform	fuels haven't really changed (for the better) in a century.	[00:42]
decimation	you could also burn 'heavy fuel oil' in theory, but that's not a terribly great idea in a high reliablity application	[00:42]
asciilifeform	(for worse? sure! where i live, what comes out of the filling station is 10% ethanol ~by law~)	[00:42]
decimation	but the abrams tank would burn jp-8 just fine	[00:42]
asciilifeform	it will burn restaurant grease	[00:42]
asciilifeform	by some accounts	[00:42]
decimation	yeah, probably anything that will run through the pumps	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	Conde Nast & Obama https://archive.is/XLc4K	[00:44]
assbot	Condé Nast's CFO Tried To Pay $2,500 for a Night With a Gay Porn Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOs1qT )	[00:44]
BingoBoingo	in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds	[00:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005649 = 5.2536 BTC [+]	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	something liek that	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	the alternative was also unpalatable tho. you don't want to engage in a bidding war with the dying gm/ford thing for their lasty remaining shred of relevancy	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	you'll end up overpaying.	[00:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00054734 = 27.2302 BTC [-]	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	in any case, as a fun tidbit : the 2010 tesla ipo, first us carmaker ipo since ww2, came to half the recently reported plenty of fish sale	[00:48]
asciilifeform	thing is, gm/ford vs tesla is a 'best horse in the glue factory' contest	[00:48]
asciilifeform	american automobility has a very short life expectancy as a going concern	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	(plenty of fish being the 5th or so dating site sold in a decade, which "Dating site" is the twelfth or so wheel on the social media band wagon)	[00:49]
decimation	the only american autos that 'actual people' buy are trunks	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform precisely.	[00:49]
decimation	trucks	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~ << intellectual authority is a very simple thing in capitalism. see it at work in how the "blockchain size increase" was tranched : once someone says "this is how much it costs", the derps willing to talk were separated from the people willing to pay.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	on a tinier scale, just happened above re tesla, too.	[00:50]
decimation	yeah, but what market? the 950/1000 block rule?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	in the end, it reduces to "does he have the intellectual authority to bluff". well... do you have the intellectual authority to call it ?	[00:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstood, your implication in earlier thread was that satoshi (in the person of his key) could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have such carry weight on account of him being the famous satoshi	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	decimation i mean the original, end of 2014/2015 dispute, about "herp derp we'll raise the block limit"	[00:51]
decimation	ah yes	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you misunderstood.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	satoshi could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have everyone (everyone that matters, ie, with money!) presented with the dilemma : do they buy up the stash ? or do they move on to the strange ?	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	this is the only legitimate way to resolve disputes.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	if his strange sucks, he has nothing to stand on.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	if his strange does not suck, you can keep talking about its strangeness all you want.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	but suppose that it is something quite like bitcoin circa '09.	[00:53]
trinque	it would be an incredible thing if the man has the keys and has shown this much restraint	[00:53]
asciilifeform	which did not suck (at least mathematically) in any particularly discernible way	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	trinque not that incredible.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform all i can say is i'd consider it fully.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, not even the us supreme court rules without a case.	[00:53]
asciilifeform	'does not suck' today, i dare say, is a higher bar than in '09, when there was no bitcoin	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	surely.	[00:53]
asciilifeform	and no $maxint pumped into the storage battery	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	on that point can there be no debate	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	but 5bn is NO SORT OF MAXINT	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	it's a minint in this game.	[00:54]
asciilifeform	^ point	[00:54]
decimation	^ yes, bitcoin is still peanuts	[00:54]
asciilifeform	esp. given as it is denominated in zimbabwean unit	[00:54]
decimation	which satoshi realizes, of course	[00:54]
asciilifeform	(i.e. there are probably not 5bn 'turkey-buying-capable' dollars on planet)	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	complicated matters.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'm off. cheerios.	[00:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00055131 = 55.1586 BTC [-] {2}	[06:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70678 @ 0.00053962 = 38.1393 BTC [-]	[06:31]
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assbot	The Square Kilometre Array: radio silence in Western Australia for most powerful telescope in history \| Science \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8cEWt )	[06:59]
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jurov	dem miners	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	eh, journos.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	da fuck they know about distributed computing.	[07:01]
jurov	shipping yottabytes from australia?	[07:02]
jurov	it smells to me like it really needs to be processed on the spot	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	because there's going toi be a single box yottabyte processor.	[07:03]
jurov	^indeed.	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	looky, distributed doesn't mean geographically dispersed.	[07:03]
jurov	i mean, moore's not what they expect anymore, they may end up needing gigawatts of ower and cooling,	[07:04]
jurov	meticulously RF shielded	[07:04]
jurov	whether 10km or 100km away from the site does not make such big difference	[07:04]
jurov	and then someone will hax it and use radio as mere entropy source for mining :DDDD	[07:07]
cazalla	meanwhile down under http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-16/pirate-radio-station-near-portland-shut-down-operator-fined/6625792	[07:07]
assbot	Pirate radio station near Portland shut down, operator fined - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8dwKT )	[07:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00053599 = 36.7421 BTC [+] {2}	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204200 << it doesn't take much "principled" for "psychopaths". they're the people who don't give a shit, remember ? not even about PEOPLE THEMSELVES!111!!	[07:31]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 04:03:27; trinque: or he could be that principled and I could be a crass moron	[07:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.0005389 = 34.9746 BTC [+] {3}	[07:36]
shinohai	meanwhile my pogo is running smooth: I've been connected to mpex.btc for 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 6 seconds.	[07:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28571 @ 0.00054353 = 15.5292 BTC [+]	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	to wut ?!	[07:38]
shinohai	i connected to your node until it failed, now i just have 1 connection.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	oh oh.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	it's gonna be up and down as i play with this nonsense block.	[07:41]
shinohai	yes i bookmarked that as "ph0rk 1"	[07:42]
shinohai	I am keeping a messy log of it	[07:42]
shinohai	danielpbarron was down the day i got my pogo of all days.	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204235 << ever since the block exporter thing i've been mentally picturing you like that scene in brazil	[07:45]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 04:12:43; asciilifeform: (and chances are, i will, l0l)	[07:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00052475 = 38.2018 BTC [-] {2}	[07:45]
shinohai	so i am stalled, but it is a hell of a device, this pogo	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	not bad huh	[07:48]
shinohai	i am sure it will kick ass when i get an actual ssd	[07:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00055306 = 16.7024 BTC [+] {2}	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204259 << afaik us navy is keeping a safe distance specifically for this reason	[07:50]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 04:27:11; mats: matter of time til they catch USN sailors sleeping on guard duty and kill a vessel, IMO	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204260 << anti tank incendiary ?!	[07:50]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 04:28:03; decimation: well, they were foolish to be within range of antitank missile	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	that was a high exposive incendiary of some sort.	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	prolly fired some ancient ru howitzer at the thing.	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	check it out, Jasper Spires is black.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204308 << not updated in a while neh ?	[08:05]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 04:50:44; decimation: asciilifeform: have you noticed that yarvin's blog is gradually disappearing from google search results	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204319 << dude gtfo, seriously. door's wide open. usians are mentally retarded.	[08:06]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 04:54:03; decimation: ah "In a world dominated by progressives, the fascist gate to power is closed, locked, welded shut, filled with a thousand tons of concrete, and surrounded by starving cave bears. Today's Apparat has entire departments who do nothing but guard this door, which no one but a few pathetic dorks will even think of approaching."	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	nobody's guarding it but the nails in their forehead.	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	the self-driven nails.	[08:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00052456 = 13.114 BTC [-] {2}	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, i watched a great film recently. "knockaround guys". it has some great names in it (malkovich has by now taken his obsession with 'voice training' to the point he has a serious speech impediment, his mental issues with voice remind one of angelina jolie and secondary sexual characteristics)	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	but the thing is so bad, ill conceived, mishapen and plain out lame as you couldn't believe.	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	at some point four utter dorks riding around in a car go "imagine, guys like us. we could be owning this place in a week!"	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	unintentional for sure, but an excellent expose of mental retardation, us style.	[08:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00055972 = 9.4033 BTC [+]	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204359 << nothing keeps you from making your own private backup.	[08:14]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 05:03:59; asciilifeform: (we all know why. and i'm gonna guess that he doesn't give a damn, 'nobody needed the library of alexandria for anything')	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	at the cost of whatever coupla bux it comes to.	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204365 << 7,203 atm.	[08:17]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 05:08:56; trinque: couldn't tell from the site itself precisely how many posts there are	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204366 << you certainly can make your own backup. fair use is fair use.	[08:17]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 05:09:43; trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission	[08:17]
punkman	how many of those are in romanian btw	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	mmm	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	lemme see. tho i'd expect folks with the archival bent to want to preserve those particularly. who even knows what they actually say.	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	1384 in english, rest in ro	[08:23]
punkman	oh wow, we've missed all kinds of good stuff	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	we have ? o.O	[08:24]
punkman	us that don't read romanian	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	in fairness a lot of it is not legitimately interesting other than to try and pry into "the personality of the man" etc. lots of style discussions, places nobody really gives a shit about etc.	[08:26]
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mircea_popescu	a good chunk of the legitimately interesting stuff was linked either here in reference to soemthing or in english articles etc.	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	then again... who knows what i'm even forgetting.	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	!up hazirafel	[08:26]
-assbot-	You voiced hazirafel for 30 minutes.	[08:26]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204405 << right out the "i'm not gay, i just like the taste of cock is all" book.	[08:27]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 05:59:46; mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204406 << you must be new, this has been ongoing once a year for half a decade or some shit.	[08:28]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 06:11:28; trinque: wtf, namecheap just blasted out an e-mail demanding rudely that I verify my email address due to ICANN something something	[08:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00054698 = 2.9537 BTC [-]	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://loungeoflust.tumblr.com/post/84864298407/the-foreplay-part-1-x-art	[08:54]
assbot	Loungeoflust - The foreplay part 1 (X-Art) ... ( http://bit.ly/1faiucJ )	[08:54]
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shinohai	That may be the find of the week	[09:00]
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cazalla	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/17/coontown-a-noxious-racist-corner-of-reddit-survives-recent-purge/	[09:48]
assbot	‘Coontown': A noxious, racist corner of Reddit survives recent purge - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1HV0t95 )	[09:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70200 @ 0.000533 = 37.4166 BTC [+] {2}	[09:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00052371 = 25.6618 BTC [-] {3}	[10:12]
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shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/pElWUj6.jpg	[10:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1M9KPwS )	[10:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00052911 = 13.7039 BTC [-]	[11:05]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204405 << well, this is true if you're, say, robert durst	[11:16]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 05:59:46; mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue	[11:16]
pete_dushenski	http://www.thejinxhbo.com/ << have not personally watched, but have it on good authority that it's chillingly riveting	[11:16]
assbot	THE JINX ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjUrV2 )	[11:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53268 @ 0.00052172 = 27.791 BTC [-]	[11:20]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204253 << damn. anyone still think that isis is 'a nuisance and if they become anything more they’ll all be killed.' ?	[11:29]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 04:22:57; mats: http://imgur.com/a/W9mQt stills	[11:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00052814 = 10.3515 BTC [+]	[11:39]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/30/climate-change-is-a-good-thing-not-the-apocalypse-mkay/#comment-23136 << lel. angry climatards be angry. and non-specifically so.	[11:39]
assbot	Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjXiNE )	[11:39]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204482 << the one with the pipes ?	[11:43]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 10:41:52; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204235 << ever since the block exporter thing i've been mentally picturing you like that scene in brazil	[11:43]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teufz17PqoY	[11:44]
assbot	Terry Gilliam's Movie Brazil - Plumbers' Nasty End - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjXTyV )	[11:44]
asciilifeform	^ mega-film	[11:47]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204552 << me.	[11:48]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 14:25:59; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204253 << damn. anyone still think that isis is 'a nuisance and if they become anything more they’ll all be killed.' ?	[11:48]
asciilifeform	they're merely the latest incarnation of usg's dept. of foreign devil menace.	[11:49]
pete_dushenski	aha. al-queda 2.0 ?	[11:49]
asciilifeform	muppet theatre	[11:49]
asciilifeform	taliban 2	[11:49]
asciilifeform	wake me up when they bag a plumbooker	[11:50]
asciilifeform	(^ not a high bar! even 'jonestown' managed)	[11:50]
pete_dushenski	mkay. well you have to admit that they're considerably farther reaching than 'taliban'	[11:51]
punkman	what's a plumbooker?	[11:51]
pete_dushenski	magick usians	[11:51]
asciilifeform	punkman: usa has the equivalent of su nomenklatura. as in, an actual phone book of the annointed	[11:51]
shinohai	;;later tell mod6 i haz pogoplug demo video xD	[11:51]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:51]
punkman	"The United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions, commonly known as the Plum Book, is published every four years, after the Presidential election. The Plum Book is used to identify presidentially appointed positions within the Federal Government"	[11:52]
punkman	oic	[11:52]
asciilifeform	there is a thicker, nameless book which contains the list of SES ('senior executive service') employees	[11:53]
asciilifeform	(the highest rank in usg's 'non-political' civil service ladder.)	[11:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58475 @ 0.0005217 = 30.5064 BTC [-] {2}	[11:54]
punkman	https://github.com/NYTimes/plumbook apparently around 5k people	[11:54]
assbot	NYTimes/plumbook · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjZkxq )	[11:54]
asciilifeform	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura << for utter n00bz	[11:55]
assbot	Nomenklatura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjZvc6 )	[11:55]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1203852 << very nicely done, BingoBoingo ! one of your better pieces lately.	[11:56]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 01:05:21; scoopbot_revived: Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance http://qntra.net/2015/07/limits-of-moores-law-challenge-intel-questions-about-future-performance/	[11:56]
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decimation	it's true, it looks like the 7-10 nm range is gonna be a strech for production	[12:02]
decimation	obviously prototypes have been created, but it's another matter to crank out such chips in production	[12:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45404 @ 0.00053386 = 24.2394 BTC [+]	[12:03]
pete_dushenski	well if bitcoin is just a prototype...	[12:03]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015/07/bb-transcript-redact.htm << from the lulzfarm	[12:06]
assbot	Text Redacted from Barrett Brown Sentencing Transcript ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok0NUv )	[12:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17773 @ 0.00052168 = 9.2718 BTC [-]	[12:17]
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mats	https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ARPD << rapid7 had an IPO	[12:44]
assbot	Rapid7 Inc: NASDAQ:RPD quotes & news - Google Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Myo0kB )	[12:44]
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mats	someone fucked up when pricing their shares	[12:44]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski ty	[13:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8626 @ 0.00053588 = 4.6225 BTC [+]	[13:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.00052607 = 4.2417 BTC [-]	[13:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25120 @ 0.00054036 = 13.5738 BTC [+] {2}	[13:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30280 @ 0.00054485 = 16.4981 BTC [+]	[13:29]
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pete_dushenski	http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/70c4b127bfeed75f9f333fb742c21a3c6d11fee5e3e1f5917099523754b82b4f << 4.89 mn days destroyed in one transaction.	[13:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J56C88 )	[13:37]
pete_dushenski	seems like a lot but i have to admit that i rarely look at such things.	[13:37]
pete_dushenski	$goog pops 15%, $etsy 26% this morning.	[13:40]
shinohai	I heard that a bunch of sjw's got upset because etsy won't let you sell spells anymore.	[13:43]
fluffypony	lol	[13:43]
pete_dushenski	leave spells to the dark markets	[13:43]
shinohai	^	[13:44]
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trinque	mircea_popescu \| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204366 << you certainly can make your own backup. fair use is fair use. << cool	[13:48]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 05:09:43; trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission	[13:48]
*	trinque has all this disk and so little worthwhile content with which to fill it	[13:49]
trinque	I'm thinking of making it a semi-official function of deedbot to archive a particular site at a particular time and timestamp the bundle	[13:49]
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punkman	that would make some pretty big bundles though	[13:50]
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trinque	punkman: I just snagged a machine with a few raid cards and 8 drives, but yeah, probably so	[13:52]
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trinque	I might make the rating requirement for site-archival a bit higher than for deeds	[13:53]
trinque	anyhow, just musing on the thought currently	[13:53]
punkman	URL deeding would be handy	[13:54]
punkman	we had a couple threads about it	[13:54]
BingoBoingo	https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/17/7bfd5030ace80a22f705338783cbb3b3.jpg	[14:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Dl9dV5 )	[14:09]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[14:14]
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jurov	http://www.damninteresting.com/the-last-great-steam-car/ who killed the steam car!	[14:20]
jurov	"Astonishingly, an unmodified Doble Model E runs clean enough to pass the strict emissions laws in California today." heh	[14:20]
BingoBoingo	Interesing	[14:22]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[14:24]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 277.9, Best ask: 279.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 279.0, 24 hour volume: 32117.18507149, 24 hour low: 272.0, 24 hour high: 281.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[14:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00054485 = 31.9282 BTC [+]	[14:26]
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ascii_field	jurov: iirc, the incurably fatal defect of that car was the five-minute start time	[14:31]
jurov	they made it down to 90 sec	[14:31]
jurov	according to tfa	[14:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73247 @ 0.00054485 = 39.9086 BTC [+]	[14:34]
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BingoBoingo	http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/exclusive-interview-with-the-gay-porn-star-behind-that-terrible-gawker-article/	[15:02]
assbot	Interview With The Gay Porn Star Behind That Gawker Article \| The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1REjQ17 )	[15:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0005287 = 1.3218 BTC [-]	[15:08]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178718 << me too! and the "famicon" mentioned earlier in this thread might sound familiar to fans of SMB2 -- the ~real~ SMB2 is known in the english world as "The Lost Levels" because it was deemed "too difficult" for them when it first came out, and "Super Famicon" was re-branded and re-skinned and shipped to USSA in its place	[15:08]
assbot	Logged on 27-06-2015 04:00:51; *: decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games	[15:08]
trinque	danielpbarron: yeah, our mario 2 was that weird platformer they rebranded at the last minute	[15:10]
trinque	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yume_K%C5%8Dj%C5%8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic#Yume_K.C5.8Dj.C5.8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic	[15:11]
assbot	Super Mario Bros. 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1REl6kP )	[15:11]
danielpbarron	yep, with the mega-lame least-creative-way-to-end-a-story-possible... IT WAS ALL A DREAM L0L	[15:11]
trinque	that game sucked	[15:11]
danielpbarron	pretty much, although it will always be nostalgic to me	[15:12]
danielpbarron	but yeah, i generally glare at people who exclaim "OMG smb2 is my fav!1"	[15:12]
trinque	I play it for the same reason time to time	[15:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88600 @ 0.00054374 = 48.1754 BTC [+] {3}	[15:13]
mod6	shinohai: cool! got a link for us yet? wanna check it out :]	[15:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00054485 = 5.1216 BTC [+]	[15:26]
trinque	yeah, neat. I just fired up my own pogo today	[15:26]
trinque	got a nice little intel ssd for it too	[15:27]
mod6	sweet!	[15:28]
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shinohai	nice trinque I don't have ssd yet T_T	[15:41]
trinque	had an old 80gb in a macbook I finally retired to the dumpster	[15:42]
*	trinque sheds a single tear for "elderbook"	[15:43]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[15:43]
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*	ascii_field meanwhile is writing proggy for msdos !	[15:44]
ascii_field	(asm, naturally)	[15:44]
trinque	interesting, what brings you to that archaeological dig?	[15:45]
ascii_field	wurk	[15:46]
trinque	shinohai: newegg has 'em for about 50 bux	[15:47]
jurov	what? macbooks with 80g intel ssds can be bought for 50bux?	[15:48]
scoopbot_revived	Turns out you wanted Hitler after all. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/17/turns-out-you-wanted-hitler-after-all/	[15:48]
trinque	jurov: no, just the ssd	[15:49]
trinque	tho that macbook wasn't even worth 50 bucks	[15:49]
trinque	bad mobo issues	[15:50]
trinque	kernel panics and such	[15:50]
trinque	would've probably lived longer if not for the many dousings with beer/coffee/misc	[15:51]
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*	ascii_field lulz at the folks who nod when he says 'computer should cost $100k and be a heirloom' who then tell about the coffee they spilled in their 7th laptop	[15:51]
trinque	100k computer goes in the basement!	[15:52]
trinque	I'll beer all over my cheap terminal	[15:52]
ascii_field	ever look at what vt100 and its contemporaries cost ?	[15:53]
ascii_field	(i, for one, was surprised when learned the answer)	[15:53]
jurov	basement that never gets flooded!	[15:53]
trinque	jurov: errrr sealed missile silo!	[15:53]
trinque	ascii_field: haven't, maybe a misguided assumption	[15:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64362 @ 0.00054036 = 34.7787 BTC [-]	[15:55]
trinque	found one for a grand, damn.	[15:55]
trinque	but this is because it's vintage	[15:55]
ascii_field	nono	[15:55]
ascii_field	~at the time~	[15:55]
trinque	ah, at the time I'm sure they were very expensive	[15:55]
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decimation	I have an old macbook1,1 I would like to use for stator	[16:12]
decimation	i put an ssd in it awhile ago	[16:12]
decimation	one day when I get some extra time I might work on the osx build stuff	[16:12]
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mod6	!up assbot	[16:16]
mod6	gdit	[16:16]
mod6	!up ascii_field	[16:16]
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mod6	so I dumped a few blocks 0, 1, 2, 199`999, etc.	[16:16]
mod6	and i never did find that magic number in there: 0xf9, 0xbe, 0xb4, 0xd9	[16:17]
ascii_field	mod6: 0xd9b4bef9	[16:18]
mod6	which i thought was kinda weird, so i looked at the code again. This is a part of CMessageHeader, used in ProcessMessage -- so I ran a tcpdump while syncing:	[16:18]
ascii_field	we're little-endian	[16:18]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/3A4FHKE.txt	[16:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Okzw4g )	[16:18]
ascii_field	mod6: precisely above	[16:18]
ascii_field	0320: f9be b4d9	[16:18]
ascii_field	you're seeing it	[16:19]
mod6	i don't see the bytes in any order.	[16:19]
mod6	(in the block itself)	[16:19]
mod6	just in the message header	[16:19]
ascii_field	it gets in when it is written	[16:20]
ascii_field	to disk	[16:20]
ascii_field	see the src	[16:20]
mod6	then is dump block not including it?	[16:20]
ascii_field	https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block << ahahah apparently	[16:22]
assbot	Genesis block - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1fR1U2E )	[16:22]
ascii_field	they start with version (32bits), aha	[16:23]
ascii_field	somehow forgot this	[16:23]
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mod6	so dumping the first four blocks with `dumpblock' into each their own .bin files, then using xxd and shovling them all into one file, here's the result: http://dpaste.com/1B1H1PC.txt	[16:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OkBG3R )	[16:28]
ascii_field	mod6: matches what i have	[16:29]
mod6	ok, ftr, this is from nsl's node with -verifyall on.	[16:29]
mod6	just thought it was worth mentioning that i found it in the MessageHeader with tcpdump.	[16:30]
mod6	ah, ok so looking at http://dpaste.com/2J1JRCR.txt again, we can def. note that it's a v3 block and that's not just some garbage in there.	[16:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OkCpSE )	[16:35]
mod6	[block 364`672]	[16:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00054535 = 18.2147 BTC [+]	[16:39]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[16:48]
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scoopbot_revived	US Can't Retain Drone Pilots http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-cant-retain-drone-pilots/	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/6eeea29eba868ab8f9f97c04c3c866ae/tumblr_n65ezs0wmV1tatb44o1_1280.jpg	[17:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1fR7Ybn )	[17:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56522 @ 0.00054553 = 30.8344 BTC [+] {2}	[17:06]
trinque	pilots get tired of fish in a barrel, eh?	[17:06]
trinque	how bout that	[17:06]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Probably tired of not actually being pilots	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	kinda weird seeing how drone flying is a common hobby on uni campuses	[17:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.000546 = 8.8605 BTC [+]	[17:07]
trinque	could be entirely unrelated to being a drone operator too	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	yea	[17:07]
BingoBoingo	Well, there probably a difference between flying drones as a lay hobbyist and flying drones when you spent your youth training to fly planes you fit inside	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	maybe nobody wants to be in the navy anymore because it's doing dumbass "sensitivity training"	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	as a for instance.	[17:08]
davout	who wants to fly drones when you can either fly fighter jets or fuck flight attendants	[17:08]
trinque	yeah, amounts to a cubicle job a lot like being a videogame tester	[17:08]
trinque	or I'd assume	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	all this effort put into becoming "more women friendly" in a retarded, contorted way that women don't give a shit about and pisses off men is mayhap paying off	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204558 << the on ewith the watching tv	[17:09]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 14:40:16; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204482 << the one with the pipes ?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	except you're watching the node spew scroll	[17:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72350 @ 0.00053757 = 38.8932 BTC [-] {3}	[17:10]
trinque	this "surgical" death from the sky thing strikes me as a bit like playing with one's food	[17:11]
trinque	at least larger wars might end	[17:11]
trinque	s/might/will/	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204626 << so much win.	[17:13]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 17:06:24; BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/17/7bfd5030ace80a22f705338783cbb3b3.jpg	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	PRIVILEGE IS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BY REALITY!1111	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204624 << there's that archive.today thing which seems to work ok. if anyone actually cares enough about a website (which seems a stretch in my mind, but w/e) they can still do what i did to the usms scammer bunch, curl, base64 and sign.	[17:15]
assbot	Logged on 17-07-2015 16:51:29; punkman: URL deeding would be handy	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	otherwise "signing an url" is kinda like "windows security" in that pages include foreign elements.	[17:15]
chetty	ahaha so thats it, its realities fault	[17:15]
ascii_field	i must note that archive.today is not (apparently) recursive	[17:16]
trinque	well god's dead and that's no fair, so the state will have to chip in instead	[17:16]
BingoBoingo	archive.today is indeed not recursive	[17:16]
trinque	the archive I'm building is primarily for my own reading	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	recursive archival is a very much open question.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	how many copies of the internet do you want ?	[17:17]
ascii_field	depth=1 would make elementary sense	[17:17]
trinque	personally I'll settle for whatever I can find of the best content, and the rest can be damned	[17:17]
ascii_field	for most sites	[17:17]
ascii_field	that is, the default behaviour of 'wget -m'	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah but no guarantee you get your site this way	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	if you really feel like burning time on this, feel free to look at random sites see what depthy=1 gets you	[17:18]
ascii_field	i did.	[17:18]
ascii_field	(on the mr mold example from last night. got everything that's worth anything there)	[17:19]
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trinque	!up ascii_field	[17:19]
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mircea_popescu	i guess wp is better than most on this score.	[17:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.000546 = 15.6156 BTC [+]	[17:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00052065 = 11.3502 BTC [-]	[17:24]
BingoBoingo	I'll be back	[17:27]
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ascii_field	mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: sooo in other nyooz, last night i got a x86_64 buildroot on musl going. shits out a bootable iso	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	o hey!	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	so in principle, we're this close to a pogo binary ?	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	iirc mod6 got stator static	[17:29]
ascii_field	it was static!	[17:30]
ascii_field	when i released it	[17:30]
ascii_field	hence the name	[17:30]
ascii_field	not to be confused with the turd from 3 month ago	[17:30]
ascii_field	which was not	[17:30]
ascii_field	(had dynamic libc)	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	a right	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	vhell then1	[17:33]
mod6	nice ascii_field!	[17:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3474 @ 0.00054258 = 1.8849 BTC [+]	[17:33]
ascii_field	point is not only to test pogo build and get musl in, but also it is useful to have a rom-able pc realbitcoinotron	[17:34]
mod6	but yea, was able to build stator as fully static, thanks to ascii_field's cuts from the source.	[17:34]
ascii_field	drop in optical disk, it looks for blockchain on largest blockdev, if doesn't find - counts down with skull, minute later - formats drive, starts fetching blocks...	[17:35]
shinohai	i havent built a staic stator on pogo yet	[17:35]
trinque	nice	[17:35]
ascii_field	^ above is the notion. all i have presently is a 10m iso that boots to shell	[17:36]
ascii_field	100% musl though	[17:36]
ascii_field	and self-contained (relies on no libs from host)	[17:37]
ascii_field	!s spreading works	[17:37]
assbot	9 results for 'spreading works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spreading+works	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field quite.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	actually : could we add a replicator ?	[17:38]
ascii_field	?	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	"pogo responds to magic packet on port X by sending over the iso"	[17:38]
ascii_field	can host on :80	[17:38]
ascii_field	like normal people	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	it has a web server ?!	[17:38]
ascii_field	could have just this	[17:38]
ascii_field	if we wanted	[17:38]
ascii_field	(no need for adult web server)	[17:38]
trinque	if so it's gonna need bitchin ascii art like the foundation site.	[17:39]
ascii_field	will need for the console regardless !	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	i think might be useful feature yea	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	simplify distribution of the iso in any case.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	unrelatedly, http://33.media.tumblr.com/e3f1c5471a280606676eb5caa12abfc6/tumblr_n3r2iuuOFS1twbbpbo1_400.gif	[17:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OkNLWx )	[17:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2003 @ 0.00052065 = 1.0429 BTC [-]	[17:41]
trinque	is there anything that'd keep this hp turdserver from having the svm flag on the cpus other than... not having that?	[17:42]
trinque	bios didn't seem to have a virtualization setting	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	Jul 2015 538 954 457,386 663,979 488816.56 GB << jurov you know i blame you for this right ?	[17:43]
jurov	is that minigame.bz? well, you asked for it	[17:44]
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mod6	<+trinque> if so it's gonna need bitchin ascii art like the foundation site. << Hear, hear.	[17:44]
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mircea_popescu	on the plus side there's well over 1k complete versions of the thing i nthe wild now, so it's not a total loss.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	but damned, half a yottabyte. i feel like google.	[17:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50397 @ 0.00051966 = 26.1893 BTC [-]	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	top browsers : Wget Yes 392,475 85.8 %	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	also lulzy.	[17:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00051914 = 33.0692 BTC [-]	[17:47]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_field	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	halp i have endian problems in my head. peta not yotta!	[17:52]
jurov	i thought you're just trying to be poetic	[17:53]
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mircea_popescu	that also.	[17:54]
danielpbarron	wow lame, gave only 1	[17:54]
danielpbarron	oops wrong window lol	[17:55]
trinque	either I have a good nose or the neighbors are really drinking this afternoon	[17:55]
trinque	can smell the booze	[17:55]
trinque	crypto-robo-babylon when?	[17:56]
ascii_field	pyronecrocryptozoophilia.	[17:57]
ascii_field	today.	[17:57]
trinque	so I go over there with a flamethrower and a bandana on my face, then fuck the ashes?	[17:57]
trinque	got it	[17:58]
trinque	it'd be a neat company to have, something which built heavily fortified homes	[17:59]
trinque	wonder if there's a market for that	[17:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88187 @ 0.00054224 = 47.8185 BTC [+] {2}	[18:00]
trinque	if I someday neither hear, smell, nor see neighbors, that'll be a good close to chapter one	[18:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104900 @ 0.00051838 = 54.3781 BTC [-] {4}	[18:01]
ben_vulpes	neat to hear about musl, asciilifeform	[18:16]
ben_vulpes	my stator's up to 347786	[18:16]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: once you have a known-good blockchain, just copy it	[18:17]
ben_vulpes	ascii_field: i know that it takes longer, but i like to actually exercise the sync mechanism once every five builds or so	[18:17]
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ben_vulpes	anyways i was poking at hunchentoot in service of making an httoy out of some of the patches that you've posted recently and discovered that the sbcl i had on the plane didn't support threads	[18:19]
trinque	aw	[18:19]
trinque	man I would've bought the scam wifi for a flight that long	[18:20]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: tried 'verifyall' yet ?	[18:20]
ascii_field	that's kinda what it was for	[18:20]
mod6	im running it on two seperate envs now actually.	[18:20]
mod6	ones at 294k and the other... 158k	[18:21]
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mod6	!up ascii_field	[18:21]
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ben_vulpes	trinque: wifi over ocean: yes. cell for scammers to resell - no	[18:22]
ben_vulpes	the wifi is actually free	[18:22]
ben_vulpes	ascii_field: no, i have not tried verifyall yet	[18:22]
ben_vulpes	just reading your patches and thinking about how to exercise them is a quarter-time job	[18:23]
ascii_field	waiwut	[18:23]
ascii_field	really not much in the patches thus far	[18:23]
ascii_field	mostly antimatter	[18:23]
ascii_field	wait till the ~real~ patches, l0l	[18:24]
ben_vulpes	keep in mind that this is how i'm learning cpp	[18:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00051968 = 21.2809 BTC [+]	[18:26]
ben_vulpes	ascii_field: the only way to re-verify a chain-on-disk right now is to dump and re-eat all blocks, correct?	[18:26]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: that, or twiddle the relevant constant	[18:27]
ascii_field	(i forget precisely where. oughta be a patch!)	[18:27]
ben_vulpes	hrm? what constant is this	[18:27]
ben_vulpes	the only thing i'm aware of in the 'mainstream' codebasen is the "rescan" thinger, but that only looks for transactions relevant to the wallet	[18:28]
ascii_field	-checkblocks	[18:29]
ascii_field	looks like we have it, already	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	lol and completely absent from the usage message	[18:33]
ascii_field	aha.	[18:33]
ascii_field	(it was like this in 0.5.3 iirc)	[18:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83050 @ 0.00051664 = 42.907 BTC [-] {2}	[18:33]
ben_vulpes	jesus christ	[18:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67733 @ 0.00053583 = 36.2934 BTC [+] {2}	[18:35]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203701 << all i know is that programming sucks and some ways of doing it suck a little less than others.	[18:38]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 21:07:59; mats: if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters	[18:38]
trinque	and if the opinion is justified and the hate remains?	[18:45]
trinque	anyhow, the thread thereafter addressed it.	[18:46]
ascii_field	'In addition to the ACPI feature, remote wake-up (including AMD Magic Packet and Microsoft Wake-up frame) is supported in both ACPI and APM (Advanced Power Management) environments. To support WOL from a deep power down state (e.g., D3cold, i.e., main power is off and only auxiliary exists), the auxiliary power source must be able to provide the needed power... ...The RTL8111E supports Protocol offload. It offloads some	[18:47]
ascii_field	of the most common protocols to NIC hardware in order to prevent spurious wake up and further reduce power consumption. The RTL8111E can offload ARP (IPv4) and NS (IPv6) protocols while in the D3 power saving state. '	[18:47]
ascii_field	^ lulzy	[18:47]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu ^	[18:48]
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ag3nt_zer0	hi there	[19:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36486 @ 0.00054786 = 19.9892 BTC [+] {5}	[19:01]
trinque	good afternoon, how goes?	[19:01]
shinohai	sup ag3nt_zer0	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	hey ben_vulpes trinque do i have this right, you mostly make apple store games ?	[19:01]
ag3nt_zer0	hey trinque fine just trying to install eulora here... you?	[19:01]
ag3nt_zer0	hey shinohai	[19:02]
trinque	mircea_popescu: nah, I do web turds	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	ah i thought you wored together on same firm thing	[19:02]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: not games, no	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	but what ?	[19:03]
ben_vulpes	except insofar as vc-backed shartups are games	[19:03]
ben_vulpes	ios and android and webturd "engineering" horsepower as a service	[19:03]
ben_vulpes	if someone were so foolish as to want to pay us to build a game we could	[19:03]
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ben_vulpes	everything from promotional apps to apps for insurance companies to internal business process web applications	[19:04]
ag3nt_zer0	do I need to be in particular directory for this to work? "You'll need to install several support libraries via MacPorts. Run sudo port install (package-name) for all of the packages in the first two lists here." - I enter this and it says Error port opengl not found	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	what'd cost me for you to make the eulora client into an ipad app ?	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	but only if you actually can do the whole chain, i don't wish to touch apple. so if yo ucan get it into their store thing etc.	[19:04]
ben_vulpes	yeah generally the first thing we ask for is root on your apple account	[19:05]
ben_vulpes	then your servers	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	i do not have an apple account nor would be getting one.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	hahaha mno.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	you get the c++ turdball that's the client.	[19:05]
ben_vulpes	then your children	[19:05]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[19:05]
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mircea_popescu	i only give my children to women.	[19:05]
*	ascii_field will be rather surprised if the thing passes the censors	[19:06]
ben_vulpes	i do have some understanding of how you work	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 yes you do, but that doesn't sound like a wrong directory problem	[19:06]
ag3nt_zer0	entered this sudo port install OpenGL	[19:06]
ben_vulpes	first thing to be aware of is that if it has anything to do with bitcoin and transacting stuff it's going to be a bitch to get past the 'reviewers'	[19:06]
ben_vulpes	censors as alf sez	[19:06]
ben_vulpes	but uh a pile of money probably	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	i don't see how it does.	[19:06]
ben_vulpes	over 9000	[19:06]
ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: I am in home directory, where should I be?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	i personally never got a mac. best everyone knows is in the wiki, you reading that ?	[19:09]
ag3nt_zer0	yeah	[19:09]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: macports doesn't care what directory you're in	[19:09]
ag3nt_zer0	hmmm ok	[19:09]
trinque	ag3nt_zer0: try doing a sudo port selfupdate first?	[19:10]
ascii_field	speaking of all of this, i realized not long ago that one could easily do a 'pogo' for some shitablet or other	[19:11]
ascii_field	(replacing turdroid etc. in the rom)	[19:11]
trinque	yeah, with external storage?	[19:11]
trinque	pretty sure all tablet makers still charge out the ass for more than a pittance of storage	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	iirc tablets come with 8-16-etc gb	[19:13]
ascii_field	usb jack	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	that's not so common	[19:14]
ascii_field	sop on turdroid	[19:14]
ascii_field	(often needs a cheap mechanical adapter from 'micro' to female 'a')	[19:14]
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ag3nt_zer0	well sent a pm to phf hopefully he can help...	[19:24]
ben_vulpes	!s block777	[19:25]
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ben_vulpes	!s http://block777.com/	[19:25]
assbot	Block 777 - Bitcoin Blockchain Betting Game ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol4sRX )	[19:25]
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ben_vulpes	'tis lulzy	[19:25]
ben_vulpes	makes the eyes bleed, but lulzy nevertheless	[19:26]
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williamdunne	mircea_popescu: they make micro-usb to usb adapters that plug into the charger port	[19:40]
ben_vulpes	http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/n12_RTR3CGTO/main_1200.jpg	[19:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol6npw )	[19:41]
williamdunne	Is that a Romanian flag on that tuktuk	[19:43]
williamdunne	Yep	[19:43]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: For example this can be used to simultaneously charge a phone and give it access to a USB port of its own; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-Male-to-USB-Female-OTG-Cable-USB-Male-Y-Cable-For-Note-4-/291373357246?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43d73498be	[19:44]
assbot	Micro USB Host Cable Male to USB Female OTG Cable + USB Male Y Cable For Note 4 \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5ZJDt )	[19:44]
williamdunne	Oh wrong about charging part, that's to power whatever is plugged in via usb, lame	[19:45]
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gabriel_laddel	ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/07/wizard-school.html	[20:07]
assbot	Stevey's Blog Rants: Wizard School ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol9BJx )	[20:07]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[20:08]
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ascii_field	gabriel_laddel: wat	[20:08]
gabriel_laddel	ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day	[20:09]
jurov	it's named "on the go" connector	[20:09]
jurov	and yes, it's not for 24/7	[20:09]
ascii_field	gabriel_laddel: it's a lul by the fella who wrote 'lisp is not an acceptable lisp'	[20:09]
gabriel_laddel	ascii_field: I know.	[20:09]
gabriel_laddel	I've read everything Mr. Yegge has written	[20:10]
ascii_field	jurov: why not 24/7	[20:10]
jurov	cuz not charging.	[20:10]
ascii_field	i have hardware powered by 'usb otg' jacks going 24/7...	[20:11]
ascii_field	data lines still work	[20:11]
jurov	the droid acts as usb host and it is supposed to provide power	[20:11]
jurov	you'll have to recharge it some other way then	[20:11]
ascii_field	i bet this can be finessed	[20:11]
ascii_field	i ordered a 'miracast' last week, would have tested this already, but it was delayed in the post	[20:12]
jurov	i have proposed to use n900's in such manner, less shitty and more OSS than droids, was immediately shot down	[20:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00053729 = 9.0533 BTC [+]	[20:12]
jurov	seems we are getting desperate :)	[20:12]
ascii_field	jurov: not so much desperate as the fact that i found a device available for $10-15 ~NEW~ from cn, with 256 (or even 512) MB of ram	[20:13]
ascii_field	and powered via usbotg	[20:13]
ascii_field	new+multivendor is a major plus imho	[20:13]
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ag3nt_zer0	anyone have any thoughts on the Jolla?	[20:24]
ag3nt_zer0	and/or neo900?	[20:24]
ascii_field	€249.00	[20:25]
ascii_field	irrelevant.	[20:25]
ascii_field	at least - to therealbitcoin.	[20:25]
ascii_field	can buy a fucking computer for that.	[20:26]
ascii_field	or 12 pogos	[20:26]
ascii_field	14	[20:26]
williamdunne	00:06:08 - gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day <<< isn't that what #b-a is anyway? At least that's how I'm trying to use it.	[20:27]
ascii_field	;;later tell mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/sHdFpXq.gif	[20:29]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MbdhP5 )	[20:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.0005507 = 17.3471 BTC [+]	[20:36]
jurov	!s WLX-652	[20:38]
assbot	0 results for 'WLX-652' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=WLX-652	[20:38]
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jurov	^ just found this pogo sibling. but nowhere they say how much mem does it have	[20:39]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[20:39]
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ascii_field	jurov: found a supplier for these ?	[20:39]
ascii_field	(as far as i can tell, they're extinct ...?)	[20:39]
jurov	http://www.dx.com/p/standalone-bittorrent-bt-client-upnp-usb-nas-ftp-samba-printer-sharing-network-lan-server-20383#.VamNyDJ9zmE	[20:40]
assbot	Standalone BitTorrent BT Client + UPNP USB/NAS/FTP/SAMBA/Printer Sharing Network LAN Server - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbeaqQ )	[20:40]
ascii_field	expensive	[20:41]
ascii_field	https://snake-os.googlecode.com/files/snake_os_User_man_12_01_13.pdf << claims 32MB of ram	[20:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MbehT8 )	[20:42]
ascii_field	which is what is in my 'hootoo', costing less than half	[20:42]
jurov	32? then yes, expensive	[20:42]
ascii_field	(we are, sadly, nowhere near the point where we can live in 32)	[20:42]
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jurov	back to pogo, all mSATA drives i see are 5-6cm long and impossible to fit inside	[20:47]
jurov	what's supposed to go there at all?	[20:47]
ascii_field	msata ?	[20:47]
ascii_field	pogo has no msata	[20:48]
danielpbarron	the top pops off	[20:48]
danielpbarron	i left that piece on	[20:48]
ascii_field	has normal 'laptop' sata	[20:48]
danielpbarron	drive will stick awkwardly out the top	[20:48]
jurov	ah. so msata won't fit?	[20:48]
ascii_field	http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/networkstorage/pogo/B005GM1Q1O/B006I5MKZY-interfaces-08l.jpg	[20:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbf0nf )	[20:48]
ascii_field	http://media.bestofmicro.com/B/X/350349/original/msata_sata500px.png	[20:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbf72e )	[20:49]
ascii_field	the naked pcb thing is what is normally called 'msata'	[20:49]
ascii_field	no such jack in pogo	[20:49]
ascii_field	only laptop-sata (bottom of photo)	[20:49]
jurov	but 2.5" drive won't fit	[20:50]
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ascii_field	jurov: it fits	[20:50]
ascii_field	did you remove the dust cover from the pogo ?	[20:50]
jurov	only with top cover completely off and pcb bare	[20:50]
ascii_field	don't strip the pcb, you need the plastic cradle	[20:51]
ascii_field	or the jack is likely to break off	[20:51]
ascii_field	if you have a peculiar drive that won't sit down in the cradle - post photo ?	[20:51]
jurov	so you say Kingston SSDNow V300 2.5" drive will fit in the slit? that's not possible	[20:52]
ascii_field	that is precisely the shape of the drive sitting in mine	[20:53]
jurov	can you post photo of whole setup?	[20:53]
ascii_field	i did, long ago; in the log	[20:53]
ascii_field	presently digging for it	[20:54]
jurov	that drive is 7cm wide and the slit in the cover is only 4.5cm	[20:54]
ascii_field	jurov: you must have something very odd going on. plz post pic	[20:55]
jurov	oh i get it now. the connector protrudes out of the cover	[20:56]
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ascii_field	jurov: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/jsp724/imgs/b/f/bf8da3a9.jpg << not mine - but this is what it will look like.	[20:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbg1fa )	[20:57]
danielpbarron	jurov, http://i.imgur.com/tm6nK30.jpg	[20:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbg5M7 )	[20:57]
jurov	ok	[20:58]
jurov	danielpbarron: how much free space you have left?	[20:59]
ascii_field	http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/jsp724/imgs/f/2/f22a61e7.jpg << can use with other shapes	[20:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MbgduU )	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	well this was the sight of all time	[20:59]
ascii_field	which	[21:00]
danielpbarron	jurov, /dev/root 109G 58G 45G 57% /	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	so the procuraderia de la nacion, which is basiucally the da's office, has this gated off entryway. in that entryway, stored two meters from the grating, eight five gallon plastic containers full of gasoline.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	nevermind that i dunno where it's even legal to store gasoline in plastic.	[21:01]
ascii_field	^ sop in usa	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	anyone can be a terrorist for the price of a quarter dollar cigar.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field in eu you can go to jail for doing that. gotta use metal.	[21:01]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: which metal ?	[21:02]
ascii_field	steel - sparks...	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	there's an alloy	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	i think its mostly tin	[21:02]
ascii_field	in usa everyone uses either the red plastic bottles, or goes to antique shop and buys nazi 'jerry can'	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	yes, jerry can, that's the proper item	[21:04]
ascii_field	also turns out that the other pogo (the one still in print) has internal sata	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	how big ?	[21:06]
ascii_field	empty jack	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne i c.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	spreading the news : http://31.media.tumblr.com/a4d16cb626a7d4213b9b6ae3500b296c/tumblr_n4vyxoGeid1txo69co1_500.gif	[21:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbh92v )	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	"Some people have been mailing me lately, random people asking me if their kids should go. It's expensive. Way expensive. Tough choice to make, even now, with Wizard Academy grads making anywhere from a quarter million to a million a year, while the rest of us plod away in 5-figure territory."	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is he on about ?	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	i guess im a later adopter than even yegge.	[21:12]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[21:14]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: he was describing, i think, a fantasy	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	by now it's impossible to tell satire from an obama speech.	[21:14]
ascii_field	some sort of school	[21:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00053131 = 19.074 BTC [-] {2}	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	http://www.chapeldulcinea.org/are-you-guys-a-cult-or-what/	[21:16]
assbot	Chapel Dulcinea - The Free Wedding Chapel - Are You Guys a Cult, or What? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbhUbR )	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	"Roy Hollister Williams is a best selling author and marketing consultant best known for his Wizard of Ads trilogy. He is founder of the Wizard Academy institute and currently lives in Austin, Texas with his wife Pennie."	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	wikipedia, ever so endearing.	[21:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57620 @ 0.00051816 = 29.8564 BTC [-]	[21:29]
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jurov	!mpif	[21:35]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021447 B (Total: 426.11 B). Delta: 0.15 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]	[21:35]
jurov	!t m f.mpif	[21:35]
assbot	Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.	[21:35]
jurov	O	[21:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00051453 = 12.0143 BTC [-] {2}	[21:40]
mod6	<+ascii_field> in usa everyone uses either the red plastic bottles, or goes to antique shop and buys nazi 'jerry can' << at some point in the last 6+ years, the USSA standardized the can. Now it seems you can only by 1 standard type of red-plastic gas can. And the f'ing pour spout does not work. It is a worthless pile of shit. It makes you twist and unlock it or some crazy shit. Now, I just throw the spout away, and pour through a funnel from the	[21:46]
mod6	It drives me nuts, because I can't find a regular old-school (even a plastic one with a normal pour spout) to save my life. Might have to check at garage sales or something. All major stores only carry Soviet Gas can.	[21:47]
mod6		[21:47]
mod6	haha, "Welcome to socialism! Here's this new gas can to save your retard children from drinking it while you're off doing important things."	[21:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13965 @ 0.00052392 = 7.3165 BTC [+]	[21:50]
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mod6	Oh and did I mention there's no rear breather hole to let the stream pour smoothly?	[21:52]
mod6	Nope.	[21:52]
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mod6	srsly.what.in.the.fuck.is.happening.net	[21:52]
mod6	this is the spout: i.ytimg.com/vi/nytxlA-G1Sk/maxresdefault.jpg	[21:54]
danielpbarron	heh, that url resolves	[21:55]
cazalla	mod6, that looks like a combi can, not sure	[21:56]
mod6	ah, you know, just searching for it... looks like i can by a non-retarded gascan online easy enough.	[21:57]
mod6	i feel like i've said all this before in here too, then jurov linked me to something lol.	[21:58]
mod6	maybe i dreamed it	[21:58]
mod6	this is what i really want: www.hearth.com/talk/attachments/img_0736-jpg.72703/	[22:00]
cazalla	google search shows it to be an eco but quite similar to a combi can.. seems to be user error imo :P	[22:00]
mod6	yeah, eco can. im not the only one, search "new gas can sucks"	[22:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00053986 = 25.0225 BTC [+]	[22:01]
mod6	the first one i ever used i snapped the fucker while trying to unlock it...	[22:01]
mod6	i was so mad. the girl didn't want to talk to me for 20 minutes because she said was laughing like i was insane.	[22:02]
cazalla	never used an eco can so i can't say, i just use one of these http://i.imgur.com/hcbpjLY.jpg with a spout but when i was doing some chainsaw work, they had these newfangled combi cans and those things are awesome	[22:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MzbBwC )	[22:03]
cazalla	a funnel i mean.. spout lol	[22:03]
mod6	wow. that's different.	[22:04]
cazalla	that is your typical petrol can found here	[22:04]
cazalla	for your mower and whipper snipper anyway	[22:04]
mod6	`whipper snipper' that's fantasic. im gonna call it that from now on.	[22:05]
cazalla	what do you call it?	[22:05]
danielpbarron	weed whacker	[22:06]
mod6	here it's called `weed wacker' or 'weed whip'	[22:06]
cazalla	nah mate, it's a whipper snipper	[22:06]
mod6	that's so much better.	[22:06]
mod6	this channel is awesome	[22:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40770 @ 0.00054615 = 22.2665 BTC [+]	[22:07]
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trinque	lol wtf	[22:13]
trinque	I just got a 500gb SSD in the mail supposedly for amazon	[22:13]
trinque	for someone who does not live here... with no receipt or anything in the packaging	[22:13]
mats	i bought one, it was 150	[22:13]
mats	'Prime Day'	[22:13]
trinque	sweet	[22:13]
trinque	this drive is not getting plugged into shit	[22:13]
mod6	tomato bath	[22:14]
trinque	mod6: haha wassat?	[22:14]
mats	does that work on SSDs?	[22:14]
mats	suggested method to corrode mechanical drives	[22:14]
trinque	ah	[22:14]
mod6	ah, suppose not.	[22:14]
mod6	melt with blowtorch	[22:14]
mats	or just return it to sender	[22:15]
trinque	yeah, going to call amazon and ask wtf	[22:15]
mats	its expensive enough someone might go looking for it	[22:15]
mod6	http://trilema.com/2014/spy-stuff	[22:15]
assbot	Spy stuff on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mzckhw )	[22:15]
trinque	"As you can see, inasmuch as the seal has not been broken, the warranty still stands." << lol!	[22:16]
mod6	haha	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00054277 = 6.079 BTC [-] {2}	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00053767 = 20.2433 BTC [-]	[22:20]
decimation	mod6: http://lfb.org/how-government-wrecked-the-gas-can/ < of course, the reason for you gas can problems is usg	[22:21]
assbot	How Government Wrecked the Gas Can ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzcGVc )	[22:21]
decimation	they didn't pass a law, they just made it known that making gas cans that vent to the atmosphere wouldn't make them very happy	[22:21]
decimation	"There’s also the problem of the exploding can. On hot days, the plastic models to which this regulation applies can blow up like balloons. When you release the top, gas flies everywhere, including possibly on a hot engine. "	[22:22]
mod6	bah, i've lived in one of the hottest places in the world. sure, the cans get bloated a bit. just don't stick your face 1" from the thing when opening the lid. simple.	[22:24]
mod6	my favorite: "So for the last three years, you have not been able to buy gas cans that work properly. ..."	[22:26]
mod6	and it is true, i spill much more gas pouring it out of the open mouth without shitsucker nozzle into a funnel with no goddamn breather hole.	[22:26]
mod6	but fuck 'em	[22:27]
trinque	mod6: yeah, lived in tx for a long time, had these	[22:27]
trinque	you just peel the thing slowly	[22:27]
trinque	though I never recall having one without a vent at all	[22:27]
mod6	really?	[22:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20508 @ 0.00054904 = 11.2597 BTC [+] {2}	[22:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31589 @ 0.00055073 = 17.397 BTC [+] {2}	[22:31]
trinque	yeah, mine had tiny pinhole vents with a plastic cover	[22:32]
trinque	and then the spout on the other end	[22:32]
trinque	they still bloated up though and hissed when you popped the vent	[22:32]
mod6	typicall usg: take something that works perfectly well and then wreck the goddamnthing	[22:32]
trinque	somebody probably knew somebody that made the tardspout	[22:34]
mod6	oh ya	[22:34]
mod6	what's also obnoxious about it, is now i cant easily pour gas on my fire like a normal person.	[22:36]
mod6	i've got a wide mouth USG pos that would light my damn balls on fire in the process.	[22:36]
trinque	heh for this and other reasons, bitcoin.	[22:37]
mod6	so now i have to fill up a plastic/glass cup and then throw it in there from a distance.	[22:37]
trinque	and really, is there any higher freedom than pyrotechnic freedom?	[22:37]
mod6	im sayin'!	[22:37]
asciilifeform	aha, got one of these pieces of shit	[22:38]
asciilifeform	you can buy the nato-standard metal can (copy of nazi item) from various places. for now.	[22:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00051453 = 21.8176 BTC [-]	[22:38]
asciilifeform	in other nyooz,	[22:39]
trinque	how bout that, something that looks like a fucking tool	[22:40]
*	trinque will have to see if the local army surplus has it	[22:40]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://imgur.com/RZjoXb9 << arm a9; 256M ram; 802.11; hdmi; usb	[22:40]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzdJ7E )	[22:40]
asciilifeform	It drives me nuts, because I can't find a regular old-school (even a plastic one with a normal pour spout) to save my life. Might have to check at garage sales or something. All major stores only carry Soviet Gas can. << this is mega-lulzy because ~actual~ soviet gas cans were 100% metal, on the german pattern	[22:42]
ben_vulpes	ikura desu ka, asciilifeform?	[22:42]
ben_vulpes	how much does it cost, and does it *nix?	[22:42]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: this one was ~17 usd (with postage)	[22:43]
asciilifeform	and yes	[22:43]
asciilifeform	(the plug in the picture was another few)	[22:44]
ben_vulpes	goodness. usb hdmi and all.	[22:44]
ben_vulpes	we can have wifi in the cardano after all!	[22:44]
ben_vulpes	someone call spamgun.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:44]
asciilifeform	this one is for item mentioned earlier, 'what is the barfiest hardware that might host a node' inquiry.	[22:45]
ben_vulpes	in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period.	[22:47]
ben_vulpes	witness car2go, zipcar, the whole nine.	[22:47]
ben_vulpes	end game here is a share in a robo fleet.	[22:47]
ben_vulpes	might even approach full utilization of the capital equipment that way, instead of this insane 1:1 car:butt ratio where they're mostly stationary all of the time.	[22:48]
mod6	i like how ascii has the oldest looking deck of cards i've seen.	[22:53]
ben_vulpes	probably brought them over himself.	[22:53]
ben_vulpes	and not in the checked bags.	[22:53]
mod6	he has a eye for antique stuff.	[22:53]
mod6	when we were at the bazzar there was a bunch of neat trinkets	[22:54]
mod6	ok so you use this miracast thing and you link up a 500gb usb drive, good to go?	[22:55]
mod6	(is this like a google tv-like thing?)	[22:56]
asciilifeform	mod6: still need to do a buildroot for this bugger	[22:57]
asciilifeform	and also jurov pointed to a possible boojum (though i have seen account of others who did use usb storage with these)	[22:58]
mod6	ah. ok. looks like this one im looking at on google is $13.46 is that about what the cost is?	[22:58]
asciilifeform	varies	[22:58]
mod6	sure, but about same cost as pogo?	[22:58]
decimation	asciilifeform: worst case you can use it to watch turd tv	[22:58]
asciilifeform	(depending on ram, single/dual/quad core cpu, etc)	[22:58]
asciilifeform	decimation: the included fw doesn't display anything useful. just a menu where you can connect to local wifi	[22:58]
decimation	what's the point then?	[22:59]
asciilifeform	certain pnohes/tardablets are, i'm told, able to throw a picture to these things	[22:59]
decimation	sounds usless	[22:59]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:59]
asciilifeform	hence cheap.	[22:59]
asciilifeform	no one thinks 'it is a computer'	[22:59]
decimation	I was reading my ham radio experimenters magazine today	[23:00]
asciilifeform	but it's a linux box, slightly faster than 'pogo'	[23:00]
decimation	the writer of an article was complaining that some of the designs featured in earlier articles are cranked out by chinese and sold on ebay	[23:00]
decimation	in this case it was an LC meter I think	[23:00]
asciilifeform	mod6: same cost as pogo - the castrato sata-less one - yes. but recall that pogo is a dwindling non-renewable resource	[23:01]
asciilifeform	hence the slow, leisurely search for possible alternatives	[23:01]
decimation	this guy http://www.dg5mk.de/pages/artikel/dg5mk-lcq-meter.php	[23:01]
assbot	DG5MK - DG5MK LCQ-Meter ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9GIRB )	[23:01]
mod6	asciilifeform: very cool.	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00052251 = 10.9727 BTC [+]	[23:02]
mod6	how hard is gonna be to do a new buildroot for this one?	[23:02]
asciilifeform	mod6: no idea yet	[23:02]
mod6	nod	[23:03]
asciilifeform	mod6: seems like the chinese units can be reflashed via usb; while google's 'chromecast', which is the exact same item but at double cost, has to be diddled via the on-board test points	[23:03]
decimation	http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/tesla-announces-model-s-ludicrous-upgrade-90-kwh-battery/ < tesla figures out how to milk more cash from the only market they can: current owners	[23:03]
assbot	Tesla announces Model S Ludicrous upgrade, 90-kWh battery ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9GM3N )	[23:03]
mod6	i'll give one a try as soon as it's built and ready to test.	[23:03]
decimation	"	[23:03]
decimation	Details for how Tesla can offer this quicker option can be found in CEO Elon Musk's blog post (available below), but the gist is that a new advanced smart fuse for the battery allows an increase in the maximum amp throughout from 1,300 to 1,500 amps. This will cost new buyers $10,000, but current P85D owners can get the upgrade pack electronics for $5,000 plus installation labor, for the next six months."	[23:03]
asciilifeform	decimation: waitasec. 90kWh ?	[23:04]
decimation	yeah, they stuff more lithium batteries I guess	[23:04]
asciilifeform	nono, think	[23:04]
asciilifeform	take an ordinary petrol engine	[23:05]
asciilifeform	say, 100 horse	[23:05]
asciilifeform	74600 W	[23:05]
asciilifeform	so ~75kW	[23:05]
decimation	that's the equivalent energy of about 2.5 gal of gas	[23:05]
asciilifeform	and that's all you get in this mega-car ?!	[23:05]
decimation	yep	[23:05]
decimation	hey, it's better than 1 gal	[23:06]
decimation	asciilifeform: batteries suck, what you gonna do	[23:06]
decimation	if batteries were about 10x more energy density they would be the no-brainer solution	[23:06]
*	asciilifeform thought, for some odd reason, that 'tesla' included an astonishingly large battery	[23:06]
decimation	^ save the laser fire in the streets	[23:06]
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decimation	no no 90 kwh is the 'upgrade'	[23:06]
asciilifeform	and that it behaved somewhat like a proper car	[23:06]
decimation	it does, for about 100 miles I think	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	bwahaha	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	i'll take the ancient corvette any day.	[23:07]
mats	nah, does like 200-250mi in california iirc	[23:07]
asciilifeform	i could, just possibly, get to office & back in this machine	[23:07]
asciilifeform	if no radio and no headlights.	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	or ac!	[23:08]
asciilifeform	aha.	[23:08]
asciilifeform	(and no heat. in petrol car, you get engine heat 'for phree' in wintertime)	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	my ac is plumbed from the hydraulic system	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	kills mileage	[23:08]
decimation	yeah I suppose they have some kind of heat pump	[23:08]
mats	http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=32557 << says 265mi when new	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	refrigerates	[23:08]
assbot	Compare Side-by-Side ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9H0YK )	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	god bless america.	[23:08]
mats	which is almost half what a hybrid does.	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	stop trying to disrupt the ice.	[23:09]
ben_vulpes	it is terrifically good at what it does.	[23:09]
decimation	there's only so much efficiency you can glean out of 2.5 gal of gas	[23:09]
decimation	plus, unlike gas, it takes hours to 'fill' instead of seconds	[23:09]
decimation	and the batteries get worse with age and cold	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9936 @ 0.00055096 = 5.4743 BTC [+]	[23:10]
ben_vulpes	there's also the 'battery paste' stuff	[23:10]
mats	i'm cheering for tesla to somehow succeed, if musk improves batt tech thats a net win for mankind	[23:10]
decimation	even if improved by a factor of 2x (energy density at the same cost) it would be a huge win	[23:11]
ben_vulpes	why?	[23:11]
ben_vulpes	just price gas out of everyone's hands.	[23:11]
decimation	heh	[23:11]
asciilifeform	mats: afaik, 'tesla' has done nothing whatsoever for battery tech	[23:11]
ben_vulpes	no, seriously mats decimation. why improve batteries?	[23:11]
decimation	no there was a 'tesla teardown' I linked here awhile ago	[23:11]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: laser pistolz!	[23:11]
asciilifeform	why else.	[23:11]
decimation	ben_vulpes: there are loads of applications that become possible if you have portable high energy source	[23:11]
ben_vulpes	such as?	[23:12]
decimation	like lazer pistols	[23:12]
decimation	or 500 mile range electric cars	[23:12]
ben_vulpes	and what i ask again is wrong with bullets.	[23:12]
ben_vulpes	or the ice.	[23:12]
mod6	cell phones that last longer than 8 hours.	[23:12]
decimation	or home energy storage	[23:12]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: recall the thread about 'brass is made at izhevsk' ?	[23:12]
ben_vulpes	the cell phone was a bad branch on the tech tree.	[23:12]
mats	well, this is thinking small, but i'd like a 'smartphone' that runs longer than 24h	[23:12]
asciilifeform	that's what's wrong with bullet.	[23:12]
ben_vulpes	well, tablet phone.	[23:12]
ben_vulpes	startac did no wrong	[23:13]
decimation	or double the power for the processor at the same lifetime	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	razr did no wrong	[23:13]
decimation	;;lasers	[23:13]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	i'm growing fond of mp and alf's attitudes towards workstations.	[23:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00053475 = 5.9357 BTC [-] {2}	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	laptops are going to become more and more impenetrable boxes of turdware.	[23:13]
decimation	the main advantage to workstations: ecc and raid	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	unrepairable, unimproveable.	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	decimation: and ergonomics!	[23:14]
ben_vulpes	decimation: and security!	[23:14]
decimation	the last bit I'm not sure about	[23:14]
ben_vulpes	decimation: and power!	[23:14]
decimation	agreed	[23:14]
ben_vulpes	you do not get the F1 engine power when derping around like armadillo.	[23:14]
mod6	<+ben_vulpes> decimation: and security! << at lesat you can easily rip out the shit you don't want. as opposed to debate weather or not to get rid of the screen.	[23:15]
ben_vulpes	i mean physical security, but sure.	[23:15]
ben_vulpes	vaultputer, so to speak.	[23:15]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: speaking of	[23:15]
ben_vulpes	mhm?	[23:15]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: 'vaultputer' - recall the ancient thread re: nuke test compliance geosensors ?	[23:16]
decimation	even vaultputer needs i/o	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	mod6 lol wut!	[23:16]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: can take small computer, instrument with geophones, etc, and pour cement.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	that looks retarded	[23:16]
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decimation	https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DiG9qANf5PA "Something you did recently has been an unmitigated disaster. Of the roughly 1000 spam threads I've gone through so far, right now 228 threads were incorrectly marked as spam."	[23:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GrKT3I )	[23:16]
decimation	^ Linus bitching about gmail	[23:17]
ben_vulpes	decimation: they are now refusing to mark spam for me.	[23:17]
mod6	mircea_popescu: wifi antennas	[23:17]
ben_vulpes	i suspect that fitbit is paying to get through their filter.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	this channel is awesome << bwahahyaha okay.	[23:17]
decimation	I thought the whole point of spam was to force you onto gmail	[23:17]
asciilifeform	^	[23:18]
*	assbot gives voice to liquidassets	[23:18]
asciilifeform	'It wouldn’t surprise me to find, for example, a sudden proliferation of heavy-duty “water cans” in 1- and 5-gallon sizes, complete with nice spouts and vents, looking almost exactly like the gas cans you could get anywhere just a few years ago. How very interesting to discover this. Of course, this law-abiding writer would never advocate buying one of these and using it for some purpose other than what is written on the	[23:19]
asciilifeform	package. Doing something like that would show profound disrespect for our betters in the bureaucracies. And if I did suggest something like that, there’s no telling the trouble that it would bring down on my head.'	[23:19]
asciilifeform	^ l0lz!	[23:19]
asciilifeform	'Ask yourself this: If they can wreck such a normal and traditional item like this, and do it largely under the radar screen, what else have they mandatorily malfunctioned? How many other things in our daily lives have been distorted, deformed and destroyed by government regulations? If some product annoys you in surprising ways, there’s a good chance that it is not the invisible hand at work, but rather the regulatory grip	[23:19]
asciilifeform	that is squeezing the life out of civilization itself.'	[23:19]
ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: do you know where this file resides? 6. Compile Eulora Add the following line to ~/.bash_profile:	[23:20]
asciilifeform	^ actually 9 out of 10 times that i smash some piece of shit from sheer contempt, it is because of chinafication and 'market' penny-shaving, rather than direct usg mandated suck	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	i dont but try find -name bash.profile ?	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform from what i gather the proposition is that these aren't different.	[23:21]
mod6	next they'll sell us a toothbrush that doubles as a jackhammer. won't need to prop up the dental insurance companies any more, no one will have any more cavity laden teeth.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is just so. but i don't think the fella who wrote the linked piece, would agree	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	it has a little leg to stand on, at least. inasmuch as usg claims a mandate to regulate everything, every failure of regulation is on their head.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	well, what people do and what people mean to do may diverge, but nobody cares about the latter. the fellow who wrote it necessarily agrees, in the writing.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	the gas can item is notable for the sheer ham-handedness of the usgification	[23:22]
asciilifeform	normally they find some way to 'market-wash' the suck	[23:22]
asciilifeform	make it seem inevitable, wholesome, capitalistic.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	like that chinese flashlight, with micro and eeprom	[23:23]
*	asciilifeform learned that he still has the pieces of that thing, in a box, somewhere	[23:23]
decimation	or the phasing out of proper refrigerant	[23:23]
asciilifeform	^ nah, that was quite a bit more like the fuel cna	[23:24]
asciilifeform	can	[23:24]
decimation	heh true	[23:24]
asciilifeform	'envirowhinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly.' -- uncle al	[23:24]
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mircea_popescu	or the incredibly colonialist "now that the third world can produce lightbulbs, it's time to 'move on' to a toxic 'alternative' that looks god awful and will poison the immediate environment with mercury"	[23:24]
mats	fake pyrex	[23:24]
mats	le sigh	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	imo that's the top of the list of that stupid shit, and it's not even usian	[23:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and when they gear up to blow the glass, fill it up? time for white led	[23:25]
asciilifeform	full of rare earths	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	yes. the lightbulb scandal is the one thing to hang people for.	[23:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76174 @ 0.00055117 = 41.9848 BTC [+] {2}	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	actually even above the "global warming" sham.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	the white led has got to be an asian revenge for the ccfl though	[23:25]
asciilifeform	usa is poor in rare earths	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	usa is poor in anything but bison.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	until recently - helium was a u.s. monopoly	[23:26]
asciilifeform	but it was spent. (how? homeland severity! neutron detectors at border checkpoints, $maxint)	[23:26]
decimation	actually they have plenty of them in the ground, it's just not very profitablel to mine/process	[23:27]
asciilifeform	it's a decay daughter	[23:27]
asciilifeform	so only so much of it in there, at one time.	[23:27]
decimation	no I meant the rare earths, helium is a problem	[23:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: do you recall the philips cartel? the history of 'squeeze the third world out of light bulbs' is almost a century long !	[23:29]
decimation	really there's no 'running out' of any element - just 'no longer cheap'	[23:29]
asciilifeform	japan was supplying 'cartel-breaking' edisonian bulbs, to the great annoyance of cartel, in the '30s iirc	[23:29]
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asciilifeform	made largely by hand, in ragtag workshops	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205196 << eh bs.	[23:30]
assbot	Logged on 18-07-2015 01:43:53; ben_vulpes: in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	usians are going away. not to be confused with actual trends for actual people.	[23:30]
mats	http://sphincs.cr.yp.to/index.html	[23:31]
assbot	SPHINCS:	[23:31]
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trinque	"Special note to law-enforcement agents" << sad that they felt this needed to be said	[23:32]
mats	>Special note to law-enforcement agents: ... We are not talking about eliminating other types of states. We love most states, especially yours! Also, "hash" is another technical term and has nothing to do with cannabis.	[23:32]
trinque	heh yeah	[23:32]
decimation	"Signatures are 41 KB"!!	[23:32]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: proles are people nao?	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	"including bigger batteries and a quicker acceleration mode, called "Ludicrous." That option will take the car from zero to 60 miles per hour in 2.8 seconds. During the hold music for the online press conference, the automaker played some of Ludacris' music"	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	bunch of retarded fucking monkeys. http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/v/19733f9b5da9864601475a8ba7c48a8d3e902be4/img/editors/sebastian-blanco.jpg << this inept fuckwit really thought THAT is what needs to be reported.	[23:33]
decimation	mircea_popescu: what else you expect, selling baubles to idiots?	[23:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GrMqqG )	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	do they even have schools in usia anymore ?	[23:33]
decimation	it's the human angle, see	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	mats could have been lol but it lost me at "post-quantum"	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	i see the monkey angle there, is the thing ;/	[23:34]
mats	but, djb	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	;;ud djb	[23:35]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=djb \| Not Djb or DJB but sometimes d~J~b. Looks better in dresses than I do. ._.	[23:35]
decimation	lol	[23:35]
mats	Daniel J Bernstein	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	o that guy. mkay.	[23:36]
ben_vulpes	i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205248 << been pointed out to death, this, but somehow the 75k fucktards who bought it just glaze over and it flies past them and everyone else knew already so doesn't care.	[23:37]
assbot	Logged on 18-07-2015 02:02:37; asciilifeform: and that's all you get in this mega-car ?!	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	anyway. yes, electric car is a piece of shit submarine-airplane joint nonsense, specifically because there is no battery equivalent of fuel.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205252 << if ~ terrorists would also use batteries instead of bombs.	[23:38]
assbot	Logged on 18-07-2015 02:03:20; decimation: if batteries were about 10x more energy density they would be the no-brainer solution	[23:38]
decimation	good point	[23:38]
decimation	or they would just laser-cut their way through 'strong points'	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205281 << i'm cheering for that anon schmuck working on a perpetuum mobile to succeed too.	[23:39]
assbot	Logged on 18-07-2015 02:07:12; mats: i'm cheering for tesla to somehow succeed, if musk improves batt tech thats a net win for mankind	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	the problem is, idiots working on wrong problems are not a net win for humanity.	[23:39]
decimation	yeah is there any evidence he has improved batteries or is even working on it?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	which incidentally, since you don't ask, is exactly how love and hate works in this channel.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	the more resources one throws at a wrong problem, the more thoroughly reviled.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	the converse also holds.	[23:40]
gernika	Incidentally, I had the completely opposite impression that Tesla was catching on - having recently seen Tesla recharging stations at a Holiday Inn in Winnemucca. Seems I should have weighted more heavily the fact that -- no one was using them.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	decimation well, hes improved the mass production part.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	you can now get a 70kwh battery for cheaper than in 1995.	[23:41]
decimation	yeah I linked a teardown awhile ago - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2014#837328	[23:42]
assbot	Logged on 20-09-2014 17:12:50; decimation: asciilifeform: some guy bought a 'salvaged Tesla' and did a teardown of the battery pack: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/34934-Pics-Info-Inside-the-battery-pack	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205312 << no. the main advantage is the screwdriver.	[23:42]
assbot	Logged on 18-07-2015 02:10:35; decimation: the main advantage to workstations: ecc and raid	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	decimation yeah. and the impression i got, from there an' everywhyere lese, is exactlly this : neat execution, uninnovative.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing new there but they made it cleanly.	[23:43]
decimation	yeah, just a big package of standard lithium batteries	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	now if the us could just get over itself collectively and reach the humility of chinese peasants cca 1970, the us would be all ready to be china thirty years ago.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	people like that black dude in wc metro are actually helping.	[23:43]
decimation	the liberal elite are trying the hardest to avert their eyes from him	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	this "liberal elite" thing...	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	i dunno that the us has an elite. merely a perception of such a thing does not cosntitute one.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	who exactly, outside of that idiot mit kid, actually says "we are the elite and move out of our way" ?	[23:45]
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decimation	somebody fills the plum book, decides what the ny times prints, prints usd, etc	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	if i go up to obama and take a leak on his shoes he's going to say "that's inappropriate" isn't he.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	or "that wasn't necessary" or some bs.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	what elite ?	[23:46]
mats	http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120041623	[23:46]
assbot	Charge Rate Modulation of Metal-Air Cells as a Function of Ambient Oxygen Concentration - Patent application ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrNhHP )	[23:46]
decimation	you would be tackled and arrested (by 'his' people)	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	and charged with anything but "failing to respect the elite"	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	which is the tell tale sign of the absence of such an elite.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	im all for prosecuting them AS IF THEY WERE, it's right and proper.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	but that aside : they aren't.	[23:47]
mats	am not an expert by any means but this air-metal stuff looks 'next gen'	[23:47]
decimation	they certainly pretend to it	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	not in so many words.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	unaware, unready, unprepared and undesirious.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	an elite in all senses of the term that are negative.	[23:48]
mats	http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120041625	[23:48]
assbot	Efficient Dual Source Battery Pack System for an Electric Vehicle - Patent application ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrNv1I )	[23:48]
gernika	Who was the last known elite person in usia? Someone in the Sicilian mafia? (serious)	[23:49]
decimation	mats: people have been coming up with battery tech for ages, with incremental improvement. I hope they can actually produce it	[23:49]
mats	I tend to think of the Kochs when 'elite' comes to mind	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	gernika possibly the psoriasis banker guy	[23:50]
decimation	mats: the Kochs are universally reviled by the east coast set	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	i imagine the sentiment is mutual.	[23:51]
TomServo	h	[23:51]
mats	how about the Kennedys, then	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	https://bitbet.us/bet/1166/netflix-inc-will-trade-at-least-790-usd/ wut a bet.	[23:52]
assbot	BitBet - Netflix Inc will trade at least 790 USD per share before July 24th :: 1.26 B (21%) on Yes, 4.64 B (79%) on No \| closed 23 hours 38 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbt0xs )	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	mats the kennedys never went out with a "we're better than you, so do it this way"	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	i suppose you can count the moon thing, if you wish.	[23:52]
gernika	!s psoriasis	[23:52]
assbot	3 results for 'psoriasis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=psoriasis	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	gernika jpmorgan.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	how goes TomServo	[23:53]
gernika	ah so it's been over 100 years.	[23:53]
williamdunne	What on earth made them think that they would go that high	[23:53]
mats	yeah wtf is this bet? NFLX is at 114	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	look who's not following teh market >D	[23:55]
mats	o, what's the ticker for the other	[23:55]
phf	i thought in u.s. liberal elite is a keyboard for professorial types with feminist wives, who go to opera and listen to npr	[23:55]
williamdunne	that makes sense	[23:55]
phf	*keyword	[23:56]
mats	nvm	[23:56]
decimation	phf: yes, the same ones who staff usg bureaucracies and corporations	[23:56]
phf	decimation: "we like to listen to tchaikovsky. incidently alexander berzshinkiy is playing our favorite tchaikovsky works at kennedy center next month."	[23:58]
hanbot	the same ones who'd buy a keyboard cause it's called 'elite'	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	phf yeah, middle aged men looking about as sad as the nayor of mew york.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	such an iconic image, that.	[23:59]

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