Forum logs for 17 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation I don't get the general preference for gnome over kde [00:00]
BingoBoingo I don't understand either. XFCE straddles the line of minimum/maximum desktop I can tolerate given my small screen size and clumsy fingers keeping me off of leaner solution. [00:01]
Vexual smaller bubbles whip the cream [00:01]
BingoBoingo My interface requirements consist of works on 11.6" screen and useable past ETOH LD50 [00:02]
Vexual Is that right bb nitrogen makes smaller bubbles? [00:02]
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BingoBoingo Vexual: Nitrogen requires far stronger (more expensive) cans to contain same whipping. [00:03]
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Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021174 << how do we make it go down? [00:04]
assbot Logged on 16-02-2015 17:43:06; mircea_popescu: i guess this drama's dried up, need to move on to something else to keep the btc price up. [00:04]
BingoBoingo And of all of the software I've set up on the OpenBSD install here fucking emacs is the only one that throws messages at the terminal when I invoke it because DBUS is dead. [00:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90639 @ 0.00044135 = 40.0035 BTC [+] {2} [00:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 231511 @ 0.00045892 = 106.245 BTC [+] {5} [00:10]
mike_c hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key? [00:11]
BingoBoingo Mega lol >> http://lukewolf.blogspot.com/2015/02/a-prediction-2020-year-of-pc-bsd-on.html [00:11]
assbot The Wolf's Den: A Prediction: 2020 the year of (PC-)BSD on the desktop ... ( http://bit.ly/1vR5FMb ) [00:11]
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BingoBoingo ^ For the people who have not suffered this PC-BSD is equivalent to a 90's era Winblows reskinning. Ubuntism brough to FreeBDSM. [00:12]
Adlai mike_c: i'd rephrase that as "is it kosher to associate a single wot node with multiple nicks" ie ratings to nicks sharing a gpg key should apply to both equally [00:13]
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nubbins` !s pogo from:asciilifeform [00:16]
assbot 51 results for 'pogo from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo+from%3Aasciilifeform [00:16]
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nubbins` asciilifeform what state's your beast in now? [00:18]
Vexual Does blockchain still dl from a single source? [00:18]
nubbins` afaik [00:18]
mike_c Adlai: yeah, but that's not how it's done. so it seems fishy to me. [00:19]
Adlai ;;google that's just the way it is [00:20]
gribble Bruce Hornsby & the Range - The Way It Is - YouTube: ; Tupac - Changes (That's Just The Way It Is) + Lyrics - YouTube: ; That's Just the Way It Is - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [00:20]
* Adlai has never heard of bruce hornsby before [00:21]
mike_c kakobrekla: any opinion? [00:21]
Vexual Just tupac? [00:21]
mike_c i thought fingerprint would/should be unique [00:22]
nubbins` heh [00:22]
Vexual Could perhaps [00:22]
Adlai let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys. [00:23]
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Adlai you can have a wot (and anything built on top, such as gossipd) without nicks entering the equation [00:24]
mike_c well, that's the pgp wot [00:24]
BingoBoingo let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys. << limit in wetware when parsing single identity multiple nicks [00:24]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there's an emacs-23 port, iirc [00:24]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: clean. [00:24]
BingoBoingo Ah [00:25]
Adlai let the user assign nicknames, let wot nodes publish a signed message of which nicks they use, let wot nodes produce signed lists of which nicks they trust as which nodes... endless possibilities can be built on top, but why make nicks part of the fundamental model? they're not first class citizens. keys are. [00:25]
asciilifeform nubbins`: what state's your beast in now << stuck on crafting the ramdisk (in-ram root fs) for netbsd. as of a week ago. haven't the time, presently, to do anything [00:27]
mike_c because we know each other by nick? [00:27]
mike_c and are more likely to change keys than nicks [00:27]
Adlai "math is hard!" [00:28]
Adlai i guess the question is, what purpose does the wot serve? is it just a way of programming the congregation's robotic doormen, or is it something more? [00:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: ^ specifically prohibited in the export control statute << except the us exports diddly squat. it imports everything [00:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: So Free world chip foundries are what, 5 to 20 years out? << about that. [00:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for extra lulz, the statute applies to u.s. subjects going off the reservation and working elsewhere [00:32]
asciilifeform just as much as to those inside the razor wire [00:32]
mircea_popescu yeah right. [00:32]
asciilifeform statutorily [00:32]
asciilifeform (as the tax code) [00:32]
asciilifeform in practice, naturally, 'not caught - not thief' [00:32]
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* asciilifeform is asked re: chip fabs question with some regularity. is quite accustomed to explaining how it is in many ways a considerably trickier and more delicate affair than, say, a factory of atomic bombs [00:35]
mircea_popescu not really. it was a big deal for as long as miniaturization was going strong, 1950 - 2000 [00:35]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, moore's dead, and the thing will suffer the exact fate of printing. [00:35]
mircea_popescu ubiquitous, cheap. [00:36]
asciilifeform refining and slicing Si boules is not getting cheaper [00:36]
asciilifeform nor is a sterile floor [00:36]
asciilifeform none of the relevant tech has changed an iota since day one [00:36]
asciilifeform wish it were otherwise, but 'wishes aren't horses' [00:36]
Adlai but there's an inflection point. the deskjet printer would have seemed equally wonderous to a (human) printer in 1700 and in 1850, despite the former being twice as far away [00:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform same could have been said about printing, 1600 to 1800. [00:37]
mircea_popescu but then... [00:37]
asciilifeform printing was more or less the same from herr gutenberd right up to linotype [00:37]
mircea_popescu quite Adlai's point. for as long as there's refinement available, it goes one way [00:38]
asciilifeform *gutenberg [00:38]
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mircea_popescu once the wall is hit, it goes the other way. [00:38]
decimation eh, I don't see how the tech is getting cheaper either [00:38]
mircea_popescu and electronics hit their wall, half a decade or so ago. [00:38]
asciilifeform the equivalent of a 'printer' for ic would be something like an ion beam gun station [00:39]
asciilifeform but sans the $maxint of high vacuum golden toilet [00:39]
asciilifeform i've some theoretical work, but it remains on paper [00:39]
mircea_popescu nah, say by 2030-2050 you will be able to buy one of today's ic printers in the size of a 3d printer [00:39]
asciilifeform there is also a titanic pile of usg grantsmanship on the subject [00:39]
mircea_popescu and for a comparable btc cost. [00:39]
asciilifeform (mostly safe to ignore) [00:39]
decimation how is the 'ic printer' gonna grow you a pure si substrate? [00:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: an fpga that isn't a usg-proprietary piece of shit would go a long way [00:40]
asciilifeform and is existing tech [00:40]
mircea_popescu how is the car gonna grow you distilled hydrocarbonds, decimation ? [00:40]
mircea_popescu you'll buy them at costco, like you buy smoked herring today. [00:40]
decimation in your porta-cleanroom? [00:40]
mircea_popescu yup. [00:41]
Adlai or like you buy PLA for your 3d printer [00:41]
mircea_popescu comes in a container, you hook it to the machine. [00:41]
asciilifeform i'll note that it is possible to use substrates other than si [00:41]
asciilifeform e.g., sapphire [00:41]
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asciilifeform presently - platinum toilet [00:41]
mircea_popescu !up Jones4 [00:41]
-assbot- You voiced Jones4 for 30 minutes. [00:41]
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asciilifeform but in principle has advantage that you can -grow- a crystal [00:41]
decimation disappointingly my costco doesn't sell smoked herring [00:41]
decimation only shitty off-brand sardines [00:41]
mircea_popescu decimation what srsly ?! [00:41]
mircea_popescu i guess you'll prolly be left out of the future si trade too... [00:42]
decimation finding proper kippers is difficult in the us [00:42]
mircea_popescu ^ futurology right there. [00:42]
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asciilifeform the hardest thing to score where i live is proper sprats [00:42]
decimation 'king oscar' for me [00:42]
asciilifeform but quite doable if you know where. [00:42]
mircea_popescu so, is the trilema server going to be closed down by the evil forces of "bitlove, llc" ? what's the crowd wisdom say ? [00:43]
decimation the median usian has a strange aversion to tinned fish of all kinds [00:43]
mircea_popescu by the way, i scored a major victory in the battle with culinary darkness. [00:43]
mircea_popescu salt pickles! [00:43]
decimation asciilifeform: they sell sprats on amazon for $$$ [00:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48550 @ 0.00043969 = 21.3469 BTC [-] [00:44]
decimation aren't pickles already salt? [00:44]
mircea_popescu there's two ways to pickle : in vinegar and in salt. [00:44]
BingoBoingo decimation what srsly ?! << Pickled hering much more common is USia. We care to stock for our Joos but not eastern Europeans [00:44]
mircea_popescu the former's basically fast food. salt pickles are fermented. [00:44]
decimation interesting [00:45]
mircea_popescu decimation is not fro mthe us ? [00:45]
asciilifeform decimation: amazon !?!! [00:45]
asciilifeform lol! [00:45]
decimation I'm from the us [00:45]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: More RAM makes << there's a legitimate "keep blockchain on ramdisk" thing. sadly... it won't be feasible. it's luxury. [00:45]
decimation BingoBoingo: where do you find it? none of the groceries around here stock kippers [00:45]
BingoBoingo decimation: Of all places... Wal mart [00:45]
BingoBoingo decimation: Not proper mind you, but a tease. [00:46]
decimation asciilifeform: sure: http://www.amazon.com/Adro-Riga-Smoked-Sprats-5-6-Ounce/dp/B004H4SEZS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424144408&sr=8-1&keywords=sprats [00:46]
assbot Amazon.com : Adro Riga Smoked Sprats, 5.6-Ounce (Pack of 12) : Packaged Meats And Seafoods : Grocery & Gourmet Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjR9Zc ) [00:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: while everyone knows the caveats of the 'million fly eyes', the concept of closed source os is really dead forever << agreed. [00:46]
asciilifeform about 2x the cost of ordinary 'ethnic' grocers in wash.,d.c. area [00:46]
decimation asciilifeform: do you have a favorite brand [00:47]
asciilifeform incidentally you can get -proper- sprats even in d.c. city limits [00:47]
asciilifeform in, of all places, 'mozart' (german grocer) [00:47]
asciilifeform near gallery pl. metro stop. [00:47]
asciilifeform about four bux a tin [00:47]
decimation yeah I've been there [00:48]
decimation actually a sprat is the same thing as a 'brisling' [00:48]
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asciilifeform decimation: brand << anything from riga. but beware fakes with 'synthetic smoke' [00:48]
decimation I eat those regularly, king oskar brand [00:48]
asciilifeform not certain if same thing [00:48]
decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sprat << wiki thinks so [00:48]
assbot European sprat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRk6T ) [00:48]
asciilifeform i've not had all possible spart-alikes [00:48]
mircea_popescu mike_c: hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key? << notrly. is this observable ? [00:48]
asciilifeform *sprat- [00:48]
decimation the 'king oskars' have two layers of little fish packed in oil [00:49]
decimation but not smoked, I would like to try them smoked [00:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-02-2015#1000695 [00:49]
assbot Logged on 01-02-2015 01:12:18; kakobrekla: because split personalities belong to #bitcoin-insane-asylum [00:49]
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cazalla yall got any of dem rollmops? [00:50]
mircea_popescu "Consider this: In the past 10 years has the distribution you run changed significantly in what it offers over other distributions? I think you'll find the answer is largely no. I do have to give a shout out to openSUSE for the OBS, but otherwise I've used my desktop in the same exact way that I have always used it within the continuity of distribution X,Y, or Z since I started using them. Distributions simply aren't f [00:51]
mircea_popescu ocused on desktop features, they're leaving it up to the DEs to do so." [00:51]
mircea_popescu wait, this is a bad thing now ? [00:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Taged mega lol for a reason [00:52]
* asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sprat#mediaviewer/File:Sprattus_sprattus.jpg << salivating just looking at this [00:52]
assbot European sprat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRFpU ) [00:52]
decimation asciilifeform: me too [00:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00043969 = 4.5508 BTC [-] [00:54]
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Adlai the more i think about it, the more it seems that nicks are a second layer on top of the wot, provided by specific wot nodes - either a centralized nick->node mapping like assbot, or individual gossipd configs [00:54]
Adlai maybe i should stop thinking [00:54]
decimation asciilifeform: http://static.squarespace.com/static/512d63fde4b0ad29483e68dd/t/52c2e34ee4b0dc7797cb11ed/1388503887705/KO2.jpg < king oskar 'brisling' sprat [00:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjRVW1 ) [00:55]
decimation sometimes they sell at safeway [00:55]
decimation asciilifeform: did you know that the 'national archives' nearby your house contains microfiche of captured WWII nazi records? [00:57]
asciilifeform not surprised [00:58]
asciilifeform 'archives 2' [00:58]
decimation http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/ [00:58]
assbot Captured German and Related Records on Microfilm ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjS9wk ) [00:58]
asciilifeform good bit of nsa pile in there also, according to legend [00:58]
decimation usg has decided that it would be better to charge you $0.6 per page to copy [00:58]
decimation and $125 per microfiche copy [00:58]
asciilifeform would happily pay this for the nsa papers, but they are not (presently) listed for sale. [00:59]
mircea_popescu lol [00:59]
decimation "Records of the German Foreign Office Received by the Department of State. Microfilm Publication T120. 5,485 rolls. (Includes records of the German Foreign Office, 1867-1945, and records of the Reichs Chancellery, 1919-1945)." << $685k [00:59]
mircea_popescu pay, put online. total income ? 0.6 per page, 125 per film [00:59]
decimation Why not digitize? [01:00]
mike_c (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0), [01:00]
mike_c (1808,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1308068811,'bolzer',1293858000,0), [01:00]
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decimation I guess $685k is 'note from stalin' [01:01]
asciilifeform a usg 700k quote magicks into $0 for the right folks, yes. [01:01]
mircea_popescu sooo weirdest thing you've ever seen ? http://38.media.tumblr.com/b7a8237ecb0b4d31b46cfdf254b03c5b/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o4_400.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/e44a3d56567af39df11d0866b85d20ed/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o2_400.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/1d70563d6f79e92a2115badd1e63d6ff/tumblr_mu6xwxDraP1sny350o5_400.gif [01:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSsax ) [01:01]
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assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSrn3 ) [01:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjSsqW ) [01:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what is remarkable in the above clips ? [01:02]
mircea_popescu who snorts cum ?! [01:02]
asciilifeform l0l [01:03]
asciilifeform assumed it was ordinary coke, and grainy photo [01:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00043969 = 22.0944 BTC [-] [01:03]
mircea_popescu looks kinda wet to me [01:03]
* BingoBoingo offers for people stuck in USia smelt from the great lakes as small inexpensive oilfish to play with by the pound [01:04]
decimation actually there's already a business where people 'resell' 'free' usg records - ancestry.com [01:04]
decimation mormons provide 'free' labor 'digitizing' ancient handwriting [01:05]
decimation so you can text-search census records [01:05]
mike_c mircea_popescu: two lines above are one example. [01:06]
mike_c dunno who chashew and bolzer are, but they have the same key. [01:06]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this bs. [01:06]
mircea_popescu well, im pretty sure assbot won't allow it for the future. i didn't know gribble did [01:06]
mircea_popescu nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ? [01:07]
asciilifeform http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/microfilm/m1106.pdf << interesting - trial of otto skorzeny [01:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlfLrv ) [01:07]
BingoBoingo http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2015/02/skool-nerse-time.html [01:07]
assbot Doctor Grumpy in the House: Skool Nerse Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlfKnr ) [01:07]
asciilifeform l33t35t german [01:07]
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decimation asciilifeform: clearly what you need to do is fashion a tool to 'capture' the microfiche screen [01:07]
asciilifeform everybody who wants, is probably using pNohe as 'minox' already. [01:08]
* asciilifeform has never yet been to a library where patrons are arse-searched, but there's always a first [01:09]
decimation it's odd that google didn't see fit to send an intern or two over there to digitize what the national archives has [01:13]
mircea_popescu im sure that's not what's the impediment [01:16]
mircea_popescu ;;google fetlife butthurt [01:19]
gribble Butt Hurt Report Form - Scribd: ; Hurt Feelings Report - Scribd: ; How to make friends on FetLife for the hard of thinking - Not Just Bitchy: [01:19]
mircea_popescu so distinct... [01:19]
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mircea_popescu !up mmeyer [01:23]
-assbot- You voiced mmeyer for 30 minutes. [01:23]
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ben_vulpes mmeyer, eh? [01:29]
mmeyer hi [01:29]
mmeyer quite in here [01:30]
decimation from whence do you hail? [01:31]
ben_vulpes quite in here << you did make it, yes :P [01:32]
mmeyer I'm confused, new to irc [01:33]
ben_vulpes !up Vexual [01:34]
BingoBoingo I'm confused, new to irc << Many people are indeed new compared to IRC. Meat odometer just rolled over and yet IRC is still older than me [01:34]
decimation mmeyer: what made you want to join #bitcoin-assets? It's interesting to learn where folks come from. [01:36]
mmeyer I searched and it said good conversation in here, from MN/USA [01:37]
mmeyer also have some interest in bitcoin [01:37]
decimation ah, well this is the right place to learn [01:38]
decimation if you go to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com in your browser you can read the past logs of this channel - it is recommended reading [01:38]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCJTOI ) [01:38]
ben_vulpes mmeyer: "it" << what, though? [01:44]
ben_vulpes these unqualified pronouns don't work too well [01:44]
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mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/the_wrong_lessons_of_iraq.html << this one's fucking exquisite. [01:48]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Wrong Lessons Of Iraq ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlmQs8 ) [01:48]
BingoBoingo Under 100,000 blocks left. OOM kill happened in the interim [01:48]
mircea_popescu "Here's an example I fear no one will understand. The Iranians took 15 British soldiers hostage. The soldiers surrendered without a fight (ironically, so as not to start an international incident), and then pretended to go along with the Iranians. They did the song and dance "we are bad, we are imperialists, Ahmadinejad is good, we're sorry, thanks for being so nice to us" and were eventually released. So I'm sure t [01:50]
mircea_popescu hose soldiers were thinking, "look, I know who I am, I know I'm not a coward, I'm not helping the Iranians, but I have to do whatever is necessary to get out of this mess." What they are saying is that they can declare who they are, and what they do has no impact on it. "I am a hero, regardless of how I act." That's the narcissist fallacy. Whatever they may think about themselves, the fact is that they did help the [01:50]
mircea_popescu Iranians, and they are not heroes. But I can see that it is ego protective, I can see why they might take this perspective." [01:50]
mircea_popescu so fucking on point it bleeds. [01:50]
mircea_popescu "Here's the part Americans can't get: why would Iran put them on TV when everyone is going to know it was forced? Unless you are saying that the Iranians, and only the Iranians, are so completely delusional that they actually believe the servicemen were thankful and apologetic, then this show had to appeal to some broader audience. Other people had to believe this was the real thing. Is it possible-- and I'm just [01:50]
mircea_popescu asking here-- that we are the only ones who don't believe these statements were meaningful? [01:50]
mircea_popescu In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?"" [01:50]
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BingoBoingo In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?"" << AKA argument by "FYIAD" [01:56]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007159 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007161 [01:58]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:33; decimation: then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they [01:58]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:35; decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. " [01:58]
BingoBoingo ;;ud fyiad [01:58]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FYIAD | Aug 26, 2007 ... Top Definition. FYIAD. Fuck You, I'm A Dragon Originated in some lame back-and -forth furry argument, but when you think about it, it's a good ... [01:58]
mircea_popescu do you know what this guy was saying in MAY 2007 ? [01:59]
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mircea_popescu But now things are different. Not since the 1980s, and before that never, has there been this much M&A activity, share buybacks and privatization. While this boosts share prices in the short term, as privateers bid up the price in a takeover, there's a huge downstream cost: the company is no longer public. You don't get to profit from it unless you work for it. Each privatized company, or the private equity firm [01:59]
mircea_popescu who owns it, becomes a little lord. You want money? They demand your service. It is the opposite of owning a stock, where you demand their service. It's more than just a concentration of wealth among the few. It is also a concentration of control, and, more importantly, risk. You may not be able to profit from it, but if something goes bad, for sure you'll be asked to pay for it. [01:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if metansa exists, that's why he disappeared : they hired him. [01:59]
BingoBoingo Didn't start reading him until fall 2008 [02:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo quite exactly. "fuck you, i'm a dragon". "because i say so". you seen /search-and-destroy/ ? [02:00]
BingoBoingo I don't recall. I'm still deep in the libations that are getting me over the meat odometer rollover. [02:01]
mircea_popescu you absolutely gotta see this film. [02:01]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/search-and-destroy/ [02:01]
assbot Search and Destroy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlpDBy ) [02:01]
mircea_popescu and happy bday yo! [02:01]
BingoBoingo Ty [02:01]
mircea_popescu do they have cake delivery where you live ? [02:01]
BingoBoingo Not delivery. Aunt made a delicious monster of a chocolate on chocolate recursive cake. [02:02]
BingoBoingo Had beef tongue for dinner. [02:03]
mircea_popescu o hey! cool! [02:03]
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BingoBoingo If there is a part of the cow that tastes more like beef than the tongue I have yet to meet it. [02:05]
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decimation BingoBoingo: ever had beef (ox) tail soup? [02:07]
BingoBoingo Indeed, delicious. Oxtail is also good slow cooked on a kettle grill and finished in sauce a lot like people do with pork and brisket. [02:08]
BingoBoingo Brains and eggs I remember as being good, but since this continent has deer with CJD and the UK had mad cow, have to settle for making it with pork brains. [02:09]
decimation some folks think that there are beef cows with cjd too [02:10]
decimation in the us [02:10]
BingoBoingo I wouldn't doubt it. [02:10]
decimation https://www.prosper.com < lol silicon valley loan shark [02:11]
assbot Personal Loans and Online Investing - Peer to Peer Lending - Prosper [02:11]
BingoBoingo People catch Brucellosis in "Brucellosis Free" states. If I accept the meta-NSA exists its common name is most likely the United States Department of Agriculture. [02:11]
ben_vulpes now there's a great conspiraci(!) theory [02:16]
BingoBoingo Seriously [02:17]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [02:20]
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Adlai "and many humans will find themselves the new horse: unemployable" - cgp grey [02:20]
Vexual I think if brussexels had a look at northern Australian, they would say 'don't bother' [02:23]
Vexual Jakarta bullocks at 2 / km2 is all youll ever do [02:24]
Vexual Peanuts failed and how will we get an inspector anywhere? [02:26]
BingoBoingo It's alright. The US peanut butter salmonella scare was traced back to birdshit in the peanut processing plant [02:27]
Vexual Fuck those peanuts [02:30]
BingoBoingo http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/liberty-justice/make-britain-safer-bring-back-handguns/ [02:30]
assbot Make Britain safer: bring back handguns « Adam Smith Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/17k6AbY ) [02:30]
mircea_popescu i remember the times i could safely eat oxtail soup [02:35]
mircea_popescu fucking idiot brits srsly. [02:35]
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pete_dushenski why ty bb [02:40]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: and happy bday! [02:41]
ben_vulpes another amusing tidbit from apple's wholesale collapse in quality on the desktop: no longer does the right arrow in iToonz skip to the next track. [02:44]
mircea_popescu wht does it do ? [02:44]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Did Apple even release iTunes ever for Mac OS [02:45]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: highlights the next album, displaying its tracklist. [02:45]
ben_vulpes oh wait [02:45]
mircea_popescu well i never used it, so dunno [02:45]
ben_vulpes if you switch to "songs" view then the right arrow does the expected thing [02:46]
ben_vulpes and the old ui returns, nearly unmolested [02:46]
ben_vulpes this is topologically identical to the "Surface" shitshow, where when the retarded windows touch ui gets in your way you can get rid of it and go back to classic windows, with which one interacts with a stylus. [02:46]
ben_vulpes baffling. [02:46]
pete_dushenski what itunes version ? [02:48]
ben_vulpes 12.0.1.26 [02:48]
ben_vulpes whatever the fuck that means [02:48]
ben_vulpes http://www.goethe.de/ges/umw/prj/kuk/fot/roj/enindex.htm << apropos of nothing, really [02:48]
assbot goethe.de/climate - Gallery - Villar Rojas, Adrián - Goethe-Institut  ... ( http://bit.ly/17KAOGb ) [02:49]
pete_dushenski doesn't mean much i suppose [02:49]
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pete_dushenski i have 11.0.1 on this machine and even it's far messier and more byzantine than the older versions i seem to recall [02:49]
ben_vulpes those early ipods were phenomenally well designed. [02:50]
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pete_dushenski and they fetch a pretty penny now too [02:50]
ben_vulpes i used nearly every mpwhater whatever object during that time [02:50]
ben_vulpes aw, really? [02:50]
ben_vulpes i gave one away recently [02:50]
pete_dushenski oh ya [02:50]
pete_dushenski re goethe thing: "a dingo ate my baby" is the first thing that comes to mind [02:51]
ben_vulpes http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-COLLECTORS-Apple-iPod-classic-2ND-Generation-MAC-10-GB-ORIGINAL-BOX-/181536114101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a446545b5 [02:51]
assbot RARE Collectors Apple iPod Classic 2nd Generation Mac 10 GB Original Box 718908423851 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/17k9Yna ) [02:51]
pete_dushenski oof [02:53]
pete_dushenski ya, $600 for a used 1st gen 5gb [02:53]
pete_dushenski which i seem to recall being $500 in 2001 bucks [02:53]
ben_vulpes http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1353 << this page is actually omitting the best ipod that was ever released [02:53]
assbot Identifying iPod models - Apple Support ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBJGT ) [02:54]
pete_dushenski so not exactly investment grade art [02:54]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: the best being ? [02:54]
ben_vulpes http://www.atpm.com/9.08/ipod.shtml << here we go [02:54]
assbot ATPM 9.08 - Review: iPod (30 GB) ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBNGD ) [02:54]
ben_vulpes ah, no it's there [02:55]
ben_vulpes this was actually the best design they ever produced. [02:55]
pete_dushenski that was the first one i had too [02:55]
ben_vulpes the buttons were physically separated from the scroll wheel [02:55]
ben_vulpes glowed this beautiful neon orange. [02:55]
ben_vulpes and it was *fast* [02:55]
ben_vulpes had a great internal db. [02:55]
mircea_popescu The system is designed with simply one outcome in mind: keep the poor with high recidivism rates and minimal social resources in jail-- a sort of half-way house for the disenfranchised-- until you can't possibly justify it any longer, and then give them a quick trial, accept the guilty plea ("what guilty plea?") and sentence them to time served and probation-- where you can add further controls. [02:56]
mircea_popescu It's debatable whether keeping potential terrorists in Cuba is a good idea. But when the State starts using pyschiatry to manage their population... I know you think I am exaggerrating. I'll bet you're not poor. [02:56]
mircea_popescu those early ipods were phenomenally well designed. << yes. because they were built around exactly one core value. "what's that for ? fuck you, you're not putting that in here." [02:56]
mircea_popescu exactly opposite of systemd "doocracy" [02:56]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what, you think i don't get this? [02:57]
ben_vulpes apple only worked because there was one guy at the helm. [02:57]
ben_vulpes now ives is steering things and they're trumpeting their solar deals, working on 'watches' and spreading rumors about tesla acquisitions. [02:58]
mircea_popescu not just one guy. one guy who systematically hit everyone over the head with crazy ed's snippers encased in concrete [02:58]
mircea_popescu but yeah im sure YOU get it. still, a log's a log! [02:58]
ben_vulpes gotta leave something between the lines. [02:58]
mircea_popescu yes. [02:58]
mircea_popescu more lines. [02:59]
ben_vulpes which reminds me: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ [02:59]
assbot #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/17KCIa1 ) [02:59]
cazalla i opted for the creative jukebox.. what a piece of shit that was [02:59]
ben_vulpes HAH [02:59]
pete_dushenski lol [02:59]
ben_vulpes i'm in the top 12 for the past twelve months [02:59]
ben_vulpes twice! [03:00]
ben_vulpes cazalla: i had a rio riot [03:00]
ben_vulpes also had a creative jukebox [03:00]
ben_vulpes also had all the sony cd players that did mp3s before portable hdds were a thing [03:00]
ben_vulpes there was this hilarious embedded ram arms race [03:00]
pete_dushenski "Unraveling a mystery that eluded the researchers analyzing the highly advanced Equation Group the world learned about Monday, password crackers have deciphered a cryptographic hash buried in one of the hacking crew's exploits. It's Arabic for "unregistered." " [03:01]
pete_dushenski "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5 hash using a computer that tried more than 300 billion plaintext guesses every second. After coming up empty-handed, they enlisted the help of password-cracking experts, both privately and on Twitter, in hopes they would do better. Password crackers Jens Steube and Philipp Schmidt spent only a few hours before figuring [03:02]
pete_dushenski out the plaintext behind the hash e6d290a03b70cfa5d4451da444bdea39 was غير مسجل, which is Arabic for "unregistered". The hex-encoded string for the same Arabic word is dbedd120e3d3cce1." [03:02]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell the_scourge hey ninjashogun managed to crap more lines into the log over a longer time than you. howzat feel? [03:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:02]
pete_dushenski ^somebody was watching team america re-runs while hacking [03:02]
pete_dushenski "dirka dirka mohamed jihad!" [03:02]
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pete_dushenski that, or kaspersky needs to hire a few more people with brains [03:03]
ben_vulpes password attacks don't cross languages? [03:03]
ben_vulpes man security world must be even more esl than i was given to understand [03:04]
pete_dushenski which, given that kasp is sponsoring an f1 car is probably also true [03:04]
ben_vulpes dictionary* attacks i mean to say. [03:04]
pete_dushenski one would've hoped [03:04]
pete_dushenski but kasp is pretty big, and therefore one of there "rubber-stampers" [03:04]
pete_dushenski *these [03:05]
pete_dushenski they don't need to actually work [03:05]
pete_dushenski as alf would call it, it's "security theatre" [03:05]
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ben_vulpes so the towelheads humilated kaspersky, sending him to twitter for help? [03:06]
ben_vulpes good job, boys. [03:06]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: What does 0.5.3.1 resource usage look like when synced? [03:09]
pete_dushenski http://www.kasperskymotorsport.com/fileadmin/content/images/slideshow/2015-scuderia-ferrari01.jpg << for motorsports fans, kasp logos can be seen on along the side and top of the front nosecone [03:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/17kcCJO ) [03:09]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: i'll let you know when i get there [03:10]
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ben_vulpes !up pete_dushenski [03:10]
ben_vulpes do you even have your keys handy? [03:10]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Alright Just wondering, because my personal 0.7.2 WTF build should sync sometime next week at the latest [03:11]
ben_vulpes 0.7.2.W [03:14]
ben_vulpes i'm endeavoring to sync a portatronic build [03:14]
ben_vulpes and a more-or-less patched-up-to-date-with-mailing-list dynamically linked build [03:15]
ben_vulpes and my poor aws instance is laaaaaboring [03:15]
ben_vulpes qa for the foundation - what a gig [03:16]
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ben_vulpes 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together [03:19]
BingoBoingo Mega lol >> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/st_louis_should_move_to_illinois_it_doesn_t_belong_in_missouri_anymore.html# [03:21]
assbot St. Louis should move to Illinois: It doesn’t belong in Missouri anymore. ... ( http://bit.ly/17kesKv ) [03:21]
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mircea_popescu !up [03:30]
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ben_vulpes split? [03:34]
mircea_popescu apparently. [03:35]
mircea_popescu "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5" [03:36]
mircea_popescu dude srsly... ars presenting cracking of md5 as ahigh tech exploit ? [03:36]
mircea_popescu did they also catch some "russian sleeper agents" through the time honored spycraft of hussling random vacationers ? [03:37]
pete_dushenski fat hairy dude with speedo, big black sunglasses, and foreign accent must be russian spy! [03:37]
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mircea_popescu ""Our idea was, if the first hash means 'unregistered' in English, would it be possible that the second hash means 'unregistered' as well, but in Arabic?" Steube said. "So we tried to download some Arabic expansion packs for [website commment app] vBulletin, which is the forum software that was attacked here."" [03:38]
mircea_popescu im so impressed. [03:38]
pete_dushenski "The Great Internet Power Grab: We’ve come a long way from Steve Jobs as ‘phone phreak’ to Tom Wheeler as ruler of the Internet." << should i know who tom wheeler is ? if he's someone, why isn't he here ? [03:38]
mircea_popescu by the way, as commenter points out. https://github.com/FetLife << ruby/mysql running on ubuntu. [03:39]
assbot FetLife · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17khjTL ) [03:39]
mircea_popescu that thing's epic. [03:39]
pete_dushenski i have no interest in paying for a wsj sub to see the rest of that article, however [03:39]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: He's the FCC commisioner [03:39]
pete_dushenski eh no wonder he's not here! [03:40]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [03:48]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.78, Best ask: 236.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.51000, Last trade: 236.32, 24 hour volume: 11264.62358106, 24 hour low: 231.44, 24 hour high: 241.23, 24 hour vwap: 236.465583945 [03:48]
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mircea_popescu except "we" haven't come. THEY have gone [04:22]
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lobbes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021517 << Thanks! I'm starting to realize the value of it over the winshits and macshits; that being having control over your computing. [12:10]
assbot Logged on 16-02-2015 23:48:30; mircea_popescu: lobbes wd. [12:10]
lobbes I have no idea what is running on my bill-gates machine, but I can find that answer in less than a second on my Debian VPS [12:10]
lobbes can't wait until I know what I'm doing enough to throw off the 'windows shackles' altogether [12:13]
cazalla lobbes, full blown aids [12:14]
cazalla now with linux i thought i was clean but turns out i was just hiv positive [12:16]
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mircea_popescu lol i kept messaging assbit [12:18]
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mircea_popescu lobbes yes. the problem with it is that it's addictive, and soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general. [12:18]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general << i thought this was naturally a part of the aging process. i.e. "the old man". [12:21]
cazalla yeah, i hate everything, oh happy day i throw all these computers in the fkn bin [12:22]
mircea_popescu it's not part of the aging process, it's part of the society going to shit. [12:22]
mircea_popescu "progress" or w/e they call it. [12:22]
jurov this seems to be related with you avoiding stupid people around you [12:23]
mircea_popescu wtf was that uberridiculous site back in 2012, that people ended up signing up as other users etc ? bitdaytrade ? [12:23]
cazalla farmers gon' farm [12:23]
jurov when i chose not to avoid them, there's other kinds of frustration but not the "everything goes to shit" feeling [12:23]
mircea_popescu jurov right. [12:24]
lobbes jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know << yeah, that seems to be the theme of everything I learn. Which plays into the 'addiction' point MP made. "There's more to learn!" [12:25]
lobbes which seems to end with ultimate disatifaction lol [12:26]
lobbes such is life, eh? [12:26]
cazalla lobbes, that's an aussie saying ya know, ned kelly and all that [12:27]
cazalla bogans get it tatted across their chest or tramp stamped if woman [12:27]
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lobbes cazalla: I'll admit I just googled that. I always thought it was of 'French origin' [12:28]
lobbes 'c'est la vie' [12:28]
lobbes I dig aussies, though, so I'll go with that origin [12:29]
cazalla well ya wanna be a true blue fair dinkum aussie cunt ya gotta get ya such is life tat to go with your southern cross tat [12:30]
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lobbes cazalla, okay but tramp stamp or chest? [12:32]
cazalla depends if you're a bloke or sheila [12:32]
lobbes bloke, but if I ever get thrown in jail it would be almost poetic if I get butt-raped [12:33]
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cazalla are you some type of shirt lifting poofter or wut [12:34]
lobbes ahaha [12:34]
lobbes naw I'm just fucked in the head [12:34]
mircea_popescu sheila ahaha. [12:34]
thestringpuller u wot m8?!? [12:34]
cazalla thestringpuller, u taking the piss mate? u having a go? u wanna go? [12:36]
cazalla tmw is such a write off after drinking this much [12:36]
mircea_popescu ;;ud tmw [12:36]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tmw | Shorthand for "Too Much Work". Used to describe situations or happenings that are just too much work to bother doing or participating. Also goes by TMW, or tee  ... [12:36]
cazalla tomorrow [12:37]
cazalla which is todaya [12:37]
cazalla this is one of those, i sorta know the answer to my question but im gonna ask as if im clueless anyway [12:39]
mircea_popescu i actually had no idea [12:40]
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cazalla 3am drunk cooking, what can i come up with! [12:55]
cazalla kebab be good though, remembers me about some doner discussion here at some point [12:55]
cazalla donair, that was it [12:56]
cazalla the fuck is a donair [12:56]
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* lobbes has fuzzy memories being drunk in the DR; buying a kebab from some street vendor. Probably over-paid [13:05]
cazalla not sure you can over pay for a good kebab [13:09]
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thestringpuller super cazalla [13:25]
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asciilifeform the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic. [13:47]
asciilifeform ranging from mere omission of the fact, certain as daylight, of it being a usg production (with no attempt whatsoever inside to disguise their characteristic turdware tradecraft, note) [13:48]
asciilifeform to misrepresentation of what the interesting part of the payload is [13:48]
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thestringpuller what is the interesting part of the payload? [13:50]
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asciilifeform most egregiously in the english-speaking press: 'crank bait' sensationalism - 'every box on the planet is owned!' designed to chip away at the credibility of kaspersky [13:50]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021563 [13:50]
assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 01:41:05; asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system [13:50]
danielpbarron i've seen such sensationalist headlines as "the only way to stop the NSA from spying on you is to smash your hard drive" [13:51]
ben_vulpes fukkin payroll [13:51]
ben_vulpes fukkin pay as you go taxes [13:51]
ben_vulpes fukkin cashflow [13:51]
ben_vulpes fukkin clients [13:51]
ben_vulpes fukkin fukkin fukkin [13:51]
ben_vulpes http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-16/euro-area-finance-ministers-talks-with-greece-break-up-on-rift << grexit when [13:54]
assbot Greece's Talks With Euro-Area Finance Ministers Break Up - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK83n9 ) [13:54]
ben_vulpes grexit nao? [13:55]
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punkman what, no grexit bitbet [14:01]
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punkman oic two rejected grexit bets [14:07]
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punkman http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b9l-8zbkFmUJ:www.danielpipes.org/rr/2014-10-dabiq.228.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk [14:13]
assbot BEFORE THE HOUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKema9 ) [14:13]
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punkman ^ from some ISIS magazine: "The revival of slavery before the hour" [14:14]
mircea_popescu is isis migrating towards some sort of millenarism ? [14:15]
punkman that's where they started isn't it [14:15]
mircea_popescu i thought they started more from jihadish ideas. [14:16]
thestringpuller fffff [14:16]
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thestringpuller oops [14:17]
punkman mircea_popescu: yeah but the millenarian rhetoric was there from the beginning [14:17]
punkman "Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an army led by the anti-Messiah [14:18]
punkman , whose eventual death— when just a few thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse." [14:18]
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[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "CLAM to hit 0.015 or higher before March 3rd" http://bitbet.us/bet/1088/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 62(Y):38(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.53421 BTC. Current weight: 15,132. [14:19]
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ben_vulpes punkman: links plz? [14:21]
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punkman ben_vulpes: for? [14:21]
ben_vulpes rejected grexit bets [14:22]
ben_vulpes nm nm [14:22]
ben_vulpes hm there's the "any exit [14:23]
ben_vulpes by april" [14:23]
ben_vulpes sorry for wacky posts, arms are jelly from pushups [14:23]
mircea_popescu punkman you will notice this guy is an australian preacher. [14:23]
punkman mircea_popescu: of course he is ;) [14:23]
mircea_popescu i have no wonderment for how anglos are reinterpreting arab ideas in their own framework (which, for this purpose, is strictly millenarism) [14:23]
mircea_popescu just, there's a difference between isis becoming so infested with westerners it starts thinking like them and isis simply being mistranslated. [14:24]
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mats 01:41:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago ... << link? a googling wasn't helpful [14:27]
mircea_popescu anyway, the misfortunate eu allies of the us are now getting in greece the argentine beauty come to roost. [14:27]
mircea_popescu should be interesting. [14:27]
punkman mats, this guy I think http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=1 [14:28]
assbot Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Intro ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKk0t4 ) [14:28]
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mircea_popescu in other news, the "toilet seat debate" has been resolved. http://38.media.tumblr.com/a3df8a95aba72f77c3dd84453d8e0201/tumblr_n4q32bciEb1st3pp0o1_400.gif [14:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKmasx ) [14:34]
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punkman https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/web/4894818972.html [14:41]
assbot WEB DEVELOPER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKomAg ) [14:41]
mircea_popescu "Must multi task by helping answering phones, excel data upkeep etc.." [14:42]
mircea_popescu clearly. [14:42]
mircea_popescu "This position can be in house or freelance. Must be local to the area to discuss projects. " "we never heard of pgp, what is it, italian shoes ???" [14:43]
mircea_popescu holy shit wait, $12 an hour ?! in la ? [14:44]
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mircea_popescu jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density << easier to do on the disk than on the ic, but you have a good point there. [14:51]
mircea_popescu i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach. [14:51]
mircea_popescu for one thing, i was never short of guns when it actually came to guns to defend freedom. [14:52]
mircea_popescu usually one's short of gunmen. [14:52]
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ben_vulpes just the USian bias - herr presidente sez no guns, ergo it's impossible to get guns [14:54]
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ben_vulpes this is ridiculous on the face of it, but young american men are more interested in solving simple nonexistent problems with tech than solving big complex hairy ones. [14:55]
mircea_popescu i guess. but this is a definite meritous future thing for s.nsa to pursue. [14:55]
ben_vulpes unsurprisingly. [14:55]
mircea_popescu hory shit you're so right im bashing you. [14:55]
mircea_popescu !b 5 [14:55]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NPCGB7.txt ) [14:55]
ben_vulpes stahp it hurts [14:55]
ben_vulpes from the piracy lulzmine: Patton's /Peeping Tom/ is nowhere to be found on the public trackers, yet trivially available on UToob [14:56]
mircea_popescu maybe iut just sucks ? [14:56]
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ben_vulpes how would I know... [14:56]
ben_vulpes 'tisn't as though i ever had good taste in music beat into me. [14:57]
mircea_popescu it's not even worth stealing, yo. [14:57]
mircea_popescu gramps. [14:57]
ben_vulpes well and how would you know? [14:57]
mircea_popescu didn't you just say ? [14:57]
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ben_vulpes no, i said i have no idea if it's any good. [14:58]
ben_vulpes i have no context or anything to judge music against. [14:58]
mircea_popescu is nowhere to be found on the public trackers << [14:58]
mircea_popescu ergo, not worth stealing. [14:58]
ben_vulpes yet trivially available on UToob [14:58]
mircea_popescu that ain't stealing. [14:58]
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ben_vulpes nah man this goes back to why a btc torrent thinger isn't worthwhile [14:58]
mircea_popescu all these fucking hysterical jokes that are only funny to me [14:58]
ben_vulpes people copying content have no taste [14:58]
ben_vulpes that one was for you [14:59]
ben_vulpes i was hoping for a /mircea_popescu eyes a cockbrow [14:59]
mircea_popescu ahahaha oops [14:59]
mircea_popescu imagine if a dude had a thick fat unibrow [14:59]
mircea_popescu and his roommates kept drawing balls on one side. [14:59]
ben_vulpes perhaps next time i take a whack at my bush i'll sculpt it into a cockbrow [15:00]
mircea_popescu it's disconcerting to cocksuckers. [15:00]
ben_vulpes let 'em squirm [15:00]
ben_vulpes they do anyways [15:00]
mircea_popescu and now, voice rampage. [15:01]
mircea_popescu !v artilekt [15:01]
ben_vulpes ratings season! [15:01]
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PeterL hello lurkers! [15:02]
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ben_vulpes such a cheery morning to you all! [15:02]
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asciilifeform chip fab << i've been doing some (mostly theoretical) work on the subject, for some years. it's a guilty pleasure of mine. [15:03]
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PeterL asciilifeform: are you setting up a clean room in your garage? [15:03]
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Lycerion ayyyy [15:04]
mircea_popescu shit im bored [15:04]
PeterL hello Lycerion, how are things? [15:04]
lobbes lol, there ought to be a '!up all' function [15:04]
Xuthus mircea_popescu, why don't you go and code something ? [15:04]
ben_vulpes yeah learn you a common lisp or something [15:04]
ben_vulpes BE USEFUL [15:04]
mircea_popescu lobbes nah. io should stop spamming. Xuthus i don't actually code worth a shit. [15:04]
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Lycerion PeterL things are well, hooby is hoobin, life is good [15:05]
ben_vulpes ;;ud hooby [15:05]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hooby | (abstract noun or proper noun) A person, especially one not mentioned by name. Hooby doesn't have one. Who? Hooby! Hooby who? by krom23456 January ... [15:05]
asciilifeform PeterL: any fab process that requires clean room is ipso facto irrelevant to the question of 'home fab' [15:05]
ben_vulpes ^ [15:05]
mircea_popescu it could be clean breadbox. [15:05]
ben_vulpes "garbage fab" [15:05]
mircea_popescu but not room [15:05]
asciilifeform clean football-sized compartment is difficult enough in jungle conditions [15:06]
asciilifeform ditto high vacuum [15:06]
PeterL how big is a chip fab clean room? [15:06]
mircea_popescu depends on how big the fab is [15:06]
asciilifeform PeterL: factory floor [15:06]
ben_vulpes 500 - whole buildings [15:06]
mircea_popescu the problem with clean is largely a matter of size. it's easier to keep a large space clean. [15:07]
asciilifeform the thing that absolutely must be understood by anyone with any inkling of an interest in the subject is [15:07]
ben_vulpes also, depends on the degree of cleanliness required. [15:07]
mircea_popescu proof of this being the cosmic space. [15:07]
asciilifeform it does no good to take extant ic fab practice and work 'down' [15:07]
asciilifeform no good at all [15:07]
asciilifeform have to reinvent the entire stack. [15:07]
mircea_popescu no, im sure this is understood. [15:07]
PeterL need to reinvent it at a smaller, cheaper scale? [15:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the folks mentioning clean rooms show symptoms of not having understood [15:08]
asciilifeform PeterL: emphatically not. not 'smaller cheaper' what-they-do-now. [15:08]
asciilifeform entirely different process [15:08]
mircea_popescu basically this is quickly becoming a problem of logjammed. "we need a decent-er system design, to make oses on". "yes, for which we nbeed a new chip paradigm". "yes, which really needs better systems design for oses and such". "yes, which..." [15:08]
asciilifeform that would have considerably less in common with the existing one than 'cd-r burner' with pressed aluminum disks, or '3d printer' with injection mold press [15:08]
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mircea_popescu ironically, it may actually have a lot in common with the cd-r burner. [15:09]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hypothetical chip fab experiment does not require new computer. [15:09]
mircea_popescu motivation to make it however, does. [15:09]
asciilifeform and yes, it would have some resemblance to cd-r [15:09]
asciilifeform but realize that cd-r 'cheats' by having existing guide marks [15:10]
mircea_popescu i wonder, and bear with my layered ignorance on all matters of import, but i wonder : [15:10]
mircea_popescu is there some way to make this actually BE junk ? like, for instance, make an item that prints logic gates on cds, old abandoned cds ? [15:10]
PeterL and cd-r moves basically one dimension [15:10]
mircea_popescu you can then make an item that looks sort-of like an 1990s "art" installation, except it does logic ? [15:10]
mircea_popescu as in, build it from garbage up, exactly how the current stack was built. [15:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's actually reminiscent of one idea i looked into - optical logic produced photographically via laser [15:11]
mircea_popescu aha! [15:11]
mircea_popescu basically, I want to play music ? i can now get a 5 x 6 sheet of polyester, glue cds on it printed with this thing, and plug it in. [15:12]
mircea_popescu it .. sort of... kinda plays derpy 8 bit mono something. [15:12]
asciilifeform but cd-r blanks ain't it. [15:12]
asciilifeform intrinsic spiral pattern in the whole shebang. [15:12]
mircea_popescu i just meant, use the items somehow. [15:12]
asciilifeform it isn't a universally-addressable polar coordinate laser cutter, if you were wondering. [15:13]
mircea_popescu it'd literally be a repurposing of garbage. [15:13]
mircea_popescu it isn't, but then again maybe it could be. [15:13]
mircea_popescu after all the disk is flat. [15:13]
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mircea_popescu for that matter ... recall the discussions even here about the purely resisitive musicbox ? [15:13]
asciilifeform resistive ? [15:14]
mircea_popescu start it from something that's derpy but works, i say, rather than something that's clever, but doesn't. [15:14]
asciilifeform well no doubt [15:14]
asciilifeform but what was the music box ? [15:14]
asciilifeform and, related, historical, [15:15]
asciilifeform ;;google lightscribe [15:15]
gribble LightScribe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; LightScribe direct disc labeling - Why buy HP?: ; Lightscribe Media - Direct Disc Labeling, Lightscribe Discs (DVDs ...: [15:15]
mircea_popescu !s resistor dac [15:16]
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asciilifeform ^ one vendor sold cd-r drives (and disks for extra cost with specially-coated labels) that contained fw to translate raster to polar, and print stickers [15:16]
mircea_popescu o no fucking way [15:16]
mircea_popescu this was discussed i swear [15:16]
asciilifeform !s covox [15:16]
assbot 4 results for 'covox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=covox [15:16]
mircea_popescu aok [15:16]
asciilifeform ^ there we go [15:16]
asciilifeform had to jog memory [15:16]
mircea_popescu the item in question, as kako points out, is still the shit. not because it plays the ghz&poettering game. [15:17]
mircea_popescu specifically because it doesn't. [15:17]
asciilifeform tempting example, but not a very good one - the basic idea of a dac hasn't changed [15:18]
asciilifeform since first one was built from resistors in the '30s [15:18]
mircea_popescu the basic idea of a computer ALSO hasn't changed. [15:18]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: basic idea - sure [15:19]
mircea_popescu it's what you said. [15:19]
mircea_popescu in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm. [15:20]
mircea_popescu but completely rather than just "progressively". [15:20]
asciilifeform but in practice, it has. i have a $$$$$ fpga board gathering dust because realized that it is impossible to implement ddr2 controller (and drive any available memory of reasonable density) without reversing the entire chip [15:20]
mircea_popescu why do you want ddr2 is the question ? [15:20]
mircea_popescu which is where it ties into "new os" [15:21]
asciilifeform i'd love to expunge -all- existing ic [15:22]
asciilifeform but eliminating stock ram is three or so notches of crackpottery above the rest of it, even. [15:22]
mircea_popescu well here's the thing : there's no way to expunge part of it. [15:22]
mircea_popescu if you do it, you do it all. [15:22]
mircea_popescu 0 results for 'resistor dac' << you know this came to 0 because you had to ruin steming ? hm ? [15:23]
mircea_popescu what do you have to say for self nao alf! [15:23]
asciilifeform can still switch it on, iirc [15:23]
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mircea_popescu yaya. [15:23]
asciilifeform and it'll return every single line ever logged, lol [15:23]
mircea_popescu lol [15:23]
mircea_popescu (i don't care either way, each works, but i was lulz'd at your militant stance) [15:24]
asciilifeform well literally 9 of 10 searches i ever did on that page returned garbage specifically because of stem [15:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap [15:30]
asciilifeform much less refine brass [15:30]
asciilifeform - that - continues to happen in izhevsk [15:31]
ben_vulpes i recall a story from a stephenson book, about a machine that computed with chains run through computing boxes [15:31]
ben_vulpes as the chains moved through the boxes, the boxes flipped bits on each link [15:31]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: he had another book where computing happened by specially trained singers belting out gregorian-style chants [15:32]
ben_vulpes now, i beg pardon for my ignorance, but could not this model be adapted to the cd rw? [15:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will. [15:32]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: this is called 'ladder logic' among factory automation folks [15:32]
ben_vulpes myes, i've been brutalized by it. [15:32]
mircea_popescu the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence. [15:32]
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mircea_popescu gotta to revert to that. [15:32]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ultimately factory is an artifact of craftsmanship [15:33]
asciilifeform so in that sense craftsman never died. [15:33]
mircea_popescu in this sense your senator's also your representative. [15:33]
asciilifeform l0l [15:33]
mircea_popescu right. [15:33]
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mircea_popescu assbot is pretty rugged isn't he. [15:34]
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mircea_popescu cool. [15:34]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT. [15:35]
asciilifeform ah - that. [15:36]
asciilifeform well, yes. [15:36]
asciilifeform !s naggum binders [15:36]
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felipelalli if you will learn something, invest in Haskell or Scheme. [15:42]
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felipelalli it's nice, isn't? [15:42]
asciilifeform what is ? [15:43]
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asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/extinctextincterextinctest.html << orlol [15:47]
assbot ClubOrlov: Extinct—Extincter—Extinctest ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCC6Ix ) [15:47]
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thestringpuller http://nopiracy.org/ << this is a thing now [15:59]
mircea_popescu "1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ? [16:05]
mircea_popescu considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury, [16:05]
punkman https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-February/054580.html [16:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCERJY ) [16:06]
mircea_popescu what's left is essentially, "IP holders, and companies aspiring to be one day bought by ip holders" [16:06]
punkman "URGENT: RNG broken for last 4 months" [16:06]
mircea_popescu lol [16:06]
mircea_popescu great win for freebsd. [16:07]
asciilifeform the folks responsible - have names. [16:08]
mod6 yikes [16:08]
asciilifeform for some reason we hardly ever hear the names [16:08]
asciilifeform and they tend to recurr [16:08]
asciilifeform but i really can't think of a good reason why anyone should be able to pull this shit twice. [16:10]
mircea_popescu gurney tho ?! [16:10]
asciilifeform exposed [16:10]
asciilifeform not authored [16:10]
asciilifeform i'm speaking of the authors. [16:10]
punkman where is the open source shame list [16:11]
mircea_popescu afaik he fucked it up. [16:11]
mircea_popescu punkman jurov's maintaining the pride list. [16:11]
mircea_popescu so, everywhere else. [16:11]
punkman no I mean we need a website with names and photos [16:12]
mircea_popescu also, apparently it's current, not stable. [16:12]
mircea_popescu so it's not ACTUALLY a big deal in any sense. you're not supposed to run experiments in production. [16:12]
punkman ah I assumed current meant stable [16:13]
mod6 no -STABLE is stable [16:13]
asciilifeform a great many freebsd users, at least at one point, ran 'current' [16:13]
mircea_popescu yeah apparently lots of people did. [16:13]
mod6 current = uber-crasher [16:13]
mircea_popescu yeah i dunno that you can do that today asciilifeform [16:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: freebsd's been a total loss since the llvm thing [16:13]
asciilifeform that was an enemy flag being hoisted [16:13]
asciilifeform surrounded by heads of the fort defenders [16:14]
jurov what pride list? [16:14]
mod6 everytime i've ever followed -current i end up with a lot of panic!s [16:14]
jurov ;;ticker [16:14]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.77, Best ask: 244.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.73000, Last trade: 243.77, 24 hour volume: 12580.91158750, 24 hour low: 232.01, 24 hour high: 248.78, 24 hour vwap: 240.070244407 [16:14]
mod6 https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/introduction.html << 1.8 & 1.9 outline what each -CURRENT & -STABLE are meant for. if anyone was still confused. [16:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3ip1X ) [16:18]
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mircea_popescu jurov you know, the signed commits thing [16:20]
mircea_popescu !up rotarydialer [16:20]
-assbot- You voiced rotarydialer for 30 minutes. [16:20]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/ [16:22]
jurov it's signed patches not commits and it's in disarray right now :( [16:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30761 @ 0.00042375 = 13.035 BTC [-] [16:25]
jurov have to make some dough first, then i can finally fix it [16:25]
jurov btw, anyone needs sysadmin? some deals fell through [16:26]
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mircea_popescu jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it [16:40]
asciilifeform ^ [16:40]
mircea_popescu you defo have enough experience to handle it. [16:40]
jurov i have plenty experience with using VPSes, not with running them [16:41]
mircea_popescu weren't you running an open bash server at some point ? [16:41]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it << yeah! [16:42]
jurov okay i'll consider it [16:43]
jurov re: simpleshell.com everything in chroot was killed after 15 minutes, that's is quite a difference from permanent setup, and abuse reports were last blow [16:43]
mircea_popescu if you want, i can front you the capital to colo a few servers wherever you want, and work off that. [16:45]
mircea_popescu but then you gotta commit to make it a job. i think there's a pretty decent living in it, but whadda i know. [16:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117300 @ 0.00042759 = 50.1563 BTC [+] {2} [16:49]
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jurov i see this is serious and there's interest. but the last obstacle is i must do this together with someone, it needs someone on duty 24hrs [16:51]
thestringpuller all humans must sleep [16:51]
thestringpuller what about Namworld? [16:51]
jurov namworld is not with bitvps anymore, and they're imo pretty lame [16:52]
mike_c you could hire a service to handle tier 1 monitoring and wake you up if there's an emergency. [16:53]
asciilifeform call ft meade, they'll work for phree [16:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042976 = 9.2398 BTC [+] [16:55]
mod6 lol [16:55]
lobbes I wouldn't add much value, but I'd work for free as an extra set of hands/eyes. You'd still need someone that knew what they were doing, of course. Plus I wouldn't be available 24/7 so maybe I'd be no use lol [16:56]
lobbes Sounds like a cool learning opportunity though [16:56]
asciilifeform ugh [16:56]
asciilifeform unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor [16:57]
asciilifeform where medical students have 'learning opportunity' [16:57]
asciilifeform but rather something that has to actually work... [16:57]
thestringpuller asciilifeform's wrath bit flips on [16:57]
jurov lobbes if you want, i can give you simpleshell.com to learn it's low maintenance, but also low profit [16:57]
jurov (low 10's monthly from ads) [16:58]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: i'm simply used to seeing that phrase as shorthand for 'it's ok for me to utterly fuck this up, right, because results couldn't possibly be important, aha?' [16:58]
lobbes asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor << Fair enough. Point taken [16:58]
jurov https://web.archive.org/web/20140207213824/http://simpleshell.com/ << twas this. clicking on the button gave you real shell [16:59]
assbot Free Linux shell access ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3opHP ) [16:59]
lobbes jurov: thanks for the link. I got my own VPS to fuck up, though. ;) [17:00]
jurov and back to topic, currently i'm about reselling aws stuff, that's a start. i know some trustworthy people here that do vpses, i'll ask them for cooperation [17:02]
asciilifeform aws << damn [17:05]
asciilifeform phuctor, in particular, really wants a genuine machine [17:05]
asciilifeform (cpu-bound) [17:05]
asciilifeform afaik no one is offering - or -has ever- offered these - for btc... [17:06]
danielpbarron "Every word out of your and MP's mouths is disgusting. Your vision for Bitcoin is disgusting. Everything about you is disgusting. I can't wait for everyone decent to prove to you just how wrong you are about everything you've said in all the threads and blog posts about this fork." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10493254#msg10493254 [17:07]
assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3phwi ) [17:07]
asciilifeform tilt lol [17:09]
jurov they do hae "dedicated" instances, but i'm not pressing the point [17:11]
asciilifeform ruinous cost [17:11]
asciilifeform and wtf, actual computers are extinct or what [17:12]
mike_c ruinous for 1. not ruinous for many. [17:12]
mike_c the cost for dedicated is amortized across all your dedicated instances [17:12]
asciilifeform well yes, but mine is not a high-budget operation [17:12]
asciilifeform i need precisely one box. [17:12]
mike_c well, that's why jurov resells them. [17:13]
mike_c (in the future) [17:13]
asciilifeform i would also like it to be a fucking -actual computer- [17:13]
asciilifeform not an aws chimera [17:13]
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mike_c why? then when your actual hardware eats shit you're down. [17:14]
jurov virtual hardware can eat shit too [17:14]
asciilifeform ^ [17:15]
mike_c and does all the time. and is replaced trivially [17:15]
jurov well, have you read what herbijudlestoids wrote? [17:15]
jurov it's all but trivial [17:15]
asciilifeform wai wat [17:15]
mike_c recently? don't think so. [17:15]
jurov or i miisunderstood what's he doing? [17:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00042375 = 27.798 BTC [-] [17:16]
jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1018043 [17:17]
assbot Logged on 14-02-2015 04:02:23; herbijudlestoids: openstack based IaaS clouds [17:17]
jurov and lines below that [17:17]
mike_c hm, that seems different. enterprise cloud management. [17:19]
mike_c but the difficulty of IaaS is why reselling aws makes sense to me. [17:19]
mike_c if you buy a rack in a colo you'll never have the same kind of reliability [17:19]
mike_c look at the trouble mpex has had over the years. [17:20]
jurov you know, aws itself recommends "to get best reliability, have servers in multiple availabiltiy zones" [17:20]
jurov so, again, all but trivial stuff [17:21]
mike_c yes, i know. but i don't think you're disagreeing that colo will have lower reliability? [17:22]
jurov oh you're arguing reliability? i missed that [17:23]
mike_c i am arguing that the service will be more reliable and easier to run on aws than colo rack. [17:24]
mike_c it won't be cheaper. for the same reasons. [17:25]
jurov which service? if it's phuctor, i can imagine it relies on sole access to fast SSD storage. [17:25]
jurov this isn't something given on aws [17:26]
mike_c he said its cpu bound. but you can get IOPS provisioned on aws [17:26]
mike_c and the service is: computing power for btc [17:26]
mike_c or, vps for btc (dedicated instance coming soon) [17:26]
asciilifeform mike_c: i don't -want- aws [17:27]
asciilifeform of any kind [17:27]
asciilifeform i do not want it in the zoo, [17:27]
asciilifeform i do not want it with a gnu, [17:27]
mike_c mhm. for unspecified reasons [17:27]
asciilifeform i do not want it in a ham, [17:27]
asciilifeform i do not like it, sp4m i am [17:27]
asciilifeform to paraphrase the poet [17:27]
mike_c 1) you're lying because you are hosting nosuchlabs on it right now. [17:27]
asciilifeform i am! [17:27]
asciilifeform and don't like it [17:27]
asciilifeform would like to get off! [17:27]
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jurov mike_c pls don't alienate my customers [17:28]
mike_c hehe [17:28]
asciilifeform no lie there - i told everyone it's languishing on aws. [17:28]
jurov if they know what they want, im not pressing it [17:28]
asciilifeform at no less than 30-50 usd/mo [17:28]
asciilifeform out of me lunch money [17:28]
mike_c don't listen to what they say. he is paying them, obviously it's the best option right now. [17:28]
mike_c customer's don't know what they want [17:28]
jurov l0l [17:29]
asciilifeform mike_c: worse than this. 1) i'm paying 2) not getting terribly much, have ~5mil keys that have not been dumped in on account of - elementarily - lack of cpu [17:29]
mike_c listen to what they do, not what they say. marketing 101. [17:29]
mike_c asciilifeform: so if you could get dedicated instance from jurovvps at non-ruinous cost this would be a good thing. [17:30]
jurov so you want me to sell him c3.something aws instance and lie to him it's physical? [17:30]
asciilifeform i've said it at least thrice, and will say a fourth time - all s.nsa expenses that are denominated in usd have been de-facto fronted by yours truly [17:30]
asciilifeform who has no safe way of converting so much as a bitcent to usd. [17:30]
mike_c jurov, no, don't lie. you could sell him exactly what he has now, but in btc, and he'd probably switch. [17:31]
mike_c down the road, with a bit of scale, you could sell him dedicated instance without ruinous one-time cost aws imposes [17:31]
mike_c and he'd buy that. he would still complain, but he'd pay. [17:31]
jurov at that price maybe a seat at my guerrilla home router.. but that one has only a celeron and main computer is too noisy to keep on all time [17:32]
jurov but i'll be asking around , we'll see [17:32]
jurov btw, dedi aws is not one-time cost. they ask $2/hour if *any* is running in the region [17:35]
jurov do your maffs. [17:35]
mike_c one-time not the right word. it's $2/hr if any, but not per-box. [17:35]
mike_c so if you resold x of them, you could charge $2 per hr / x. [17:36]
jurov and you're buying, like 10 of them? [17:36]
jurov or anyone here? [17:36]
asciilifeform for perspective, [17:36]
mike_c jurov is. and selling 1 to ascii, 1 to somebody else, etc. [17:36]
asciilifeform i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo [17:36]
asciilifeform for unrelated purpose [17:36]
asciilifeform no hidden costs [17:37]
asciilifeform no surcharges for bandwidth [17:37]
asciilifeform etc [17:37]
mike_c the hidden cost is when it eats shit. [17:37]
jurov was it ever ddosed? [17:37]
mike_c that too [17:37]
asciilifeform yes [17:37]
asciilifeform and remained standing [17:37]
asciilifeform the sheer audacity of the industry bamboozlement virtually everywhere - is astonishing [17:38]
jurov "remained standing" isn't hard. "they didn't kicked me" is. [17:38]
asciilifeform didn't kick, either [17:38]
mike_c did you get abuse reports? did they stand up to those? [17:38]
asciilifeform now that, didn't try [17:38]
mike_c (not sure if aws would either on that count..) [17:39]
asciilifeform for that, fix is generally easy, host in .ru [17:39]
jurov aws will forward them to yo [17:39]
jurov "explain or else" [17:39]
asciilifeform but this is not a problem i have had the honour of having [17:39]
mike_c jurov: but which way do they lean? to kick you or to tell complainer to piss off? [17:39]
jurov i didn't dare to find out just to keep a toy afloat [17:40]
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kakobrekla this is a classic, do it right with ev- or do it wrong [17:41]
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jurov !s abuse from:jurov [17:44]
assbot 4 results for 'abuse from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abuse+from%3Ajurov [17:44]
jurov nope. i'm certain i talked about it here before. [17:44]
kakobrekla prolly stemming issue [17:44]
mike_c !s abus* from:jurov [17:45]
assbot 7 results for 'abus* from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abus%2A+from%3Ajurov [17:45]
* kakobrekla was jus trollin [17:45]
mike_c :) [17:45]
mike_c kakobrekla: did you have any thoughts/opinions on wot dupe key issue? [17:45]
kakobrekla you want dupe keys? [17:46]
mike_c i want there not to be dupe keys. [17:46]
mike_c but there are. [17:46]
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kakobrekla there are? [17:46]
mike_c http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021889 [17:46]
assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0), [17:46]
kakobrekla maybe imported from gribble [17:47]
mike_c i'd like to have unique constraint on fingerprint. maybe boot the offending nicks from the db? [17:47]
kakobrekla this takes us another step further away from a potential cross sync doesnt it [17:48]
mike_c ugh. perhaps. [17:48]
danielpbarron SetBestChain: 1 of last 100 blocks above version 2 << anyone else seeing this in their .bitcoin/debug.log ? does it have to do with 0.10 coming out? [17:49]
punkman blocks version 3 now [17:53]
danielpbarron well.. 1 in 100 at least [17:54]
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punkman oh and they are already talking about version 4 [17:55]
danielpbarron bu-but.. the forum poll said it had 60% support!? how can this 1% be? [17:56]
asciilifeform axe-time, sword-time, coming closer. [17:57]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/ [17:57]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/ [17:57]
punkman well v3 brings strict signature format, not such a bad thing [17:57]
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asciilifeform punkman: not bad thing if -we- do it [17:58]
asciilifeform if phoundation does it - cure for cancer is bad thing. [17:58]
asciilifeform ipso facto. [17:58]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: i prefer hammer time [18:05]
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danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/v2.log.txt << it looks like the "version 2" thing got up to 5% of the hashrate and then dropped down to 1% over the course of the last week or so [18:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AiV4Iq ) [18:35]
asciilifeform 'Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs. Reindexing using earlier versions will also not work anymore as a result of this. The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won’t support.' [18:37]
asciilifeform ^ shitgnomism without limit [18:37]
danielpbarron also, the links to the public log from s.b-a.link add an extra unnecessary '/' in the root directory [18:39]
danielpbarron link still works [18:39]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ii/ [18:39]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: holy fuck this thing completely fucks up the blockchain. (0.10) [18:41]
thestringpuller this box will need nuke to cleanse :( [18:42]
asciilifeform 'be smart - don't start' [18:43]
thestringpuller the power rangers have outdone themselves this time... [18:44]
mod6 It's a shit-blizzard, Randy. [18:46]
thestringpuller ^-- this is great description [18:46]
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thestringpuller Bitcoin Phoundation Client is as if Ricky wrote it. [18:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105069 @ 0.00043021 = 45.2017 BTC [+] {3} [19:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156700 @ 0.00043403 = 68.0125 BTC [+] {2} [19:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74809 @ 0.00042659 = 31.9128 BTC [-] [19:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127410 @ 0.00043522 = 55.4514 BTC [+] {3} [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40590 @ 0.00043714 = 17.7435 BTC [+] {2} [19:17]
punkman http://longmountaingeneralstore.com/images/products/detail/03415571.jpg [19:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9N40Z ) [19:26]
lobbes !rate jurov 1 Letting me derp about to get http://simpleshell.com/ back up and running [19:29]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a433a6dc63a3e33a [19:29]
assbot SimpleShell ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9NBjH ) [19:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27157 @ 0.00043735 = 11.8771 BTC [+] [19:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.0004339 = 27.5743 BTC [-] [19:47]
asciilifeform in other news [19:51]
asciilifeform i managed to order a couple of boards from that weirdo board house [19:51]
asciilifeform costing almost exactly their weight in gold [19:51]
asciilifeform and with >2wk lead time [19:51]
asciilifeform curious if what arrives, actually works [19:52]
asciilifeform (these were rng boards, which are analogue devices and for which i have means of testing conformance to spec) [19:52]
asciilifeform the shop is a very new one ('macrofab') and their ordering gizmo is buggy as all hell [19:54]
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asciilifeform but finally agreed to take the money... [19:54]
Adlai "Snapchat seeks new funding at up to $19 billion valuation" ie, "one interchangeable centralized messaging service butthurt over inferior valuation, seeks to call and raise" [19:56]
thestringpuller LOL [20:01]
danielpbarron !up hdbuck [20:01]
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thestringpuller They need more mone already?!?!? [20:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004339 = 2.0827 BTC [-] [20:03]
Adlai gotta push the $ in $napcash [20:04]
danielpbarron hdbuck, nice forum post :D [20:05]
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asciilifeform in yet unrelated, yet other news, [20:12]
asciilifeform gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild [20:12]
asciilifeform (gnat-gcc-4.3.5) [20:12]
mircea_popescu cool [20:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00042902 = 15.4876 BTC [-] [20:17]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla for your qntrian consideration: https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw [20:21]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3TzyJ ) [20:21]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo too ^ [20:21]
asciilifeform (for folks following the gnat thread, http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~mfeldman/ada-project-summary.html ) [20:22]
assbot Who's Using Ada? ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3THyf ) [20:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00077898 = 2.3369 BTC [-] {5} [20:28]
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pete_dushenski shkoopaloop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/17/the-fable-of-willful-ignorance/ [20:30]
assbot The fable of willful ignorance. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTS2Gz ) [20:30]
pete_dushenski ^featuring the late great mike hearn [20:31]
mircea_popescu heh okat [20:32]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla i forgot a title! please to consider "CAVIRTEX, the biggest Bitcoin exchange in Canada, closes doors out of embarrassment " [20:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:33]
jurov pete_dushenski: did you mention how many bitcoins(from IPO) have they walked away with? [20:34]
pete_dushenski yup [20:34]
pete_dushenski 4k [20:35]
pete_dushenski though they apparently "intend" to "communicate" with "loyal shareholders" [20:36]
pete_dushenski as if any of those words were descriptive or actionable [20:36]
pete_dushenski but hey, gotta pretend! [20:36]
thestringpuller oh mike hearn is undead too? [20:37]
pete_dushenski mr. heartbleed ? [20:37]
pete_dushenski oh most certainly [20:37]
ben_vulpes i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo << wherewherewhere [20:37]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'corenetworks' [20:39]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: not the best shop in the world, but doesn't suck donkey balls in exactly the way most of'em do [20:40]
ben_vulpes waaaaa [20:40]
ben_vulpes <3 [20:40]
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Adlai asciilifeform: which concern is (yes) meant to answer? [20:46]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: in what interesting and special ways *does* it suck? [20:46]
asciilifeform Adlai: wai wat [20:46]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: generally, you get what you pay for and 'tanstaafl.' the 25 usd box (if they've any left) won't be a 64-core pleasureopteron [20:47]
Adlai "i'm renting a physical *(yes)* box" <- as in, "have i visited the box personally and confirmed that it occupies the same reality as me? _yes_" [20:47]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i did learn how to read a datasheet in the mines. [20:48]
ben_vulpes just 'cause this one has css doesn't change the selection process. [20:48]
asciilifeform Adlai: if it's a vm, it passes all known tests for physicality (incl. timing) and the hypothetical fakers should not settle for the small change of running a hosting co., but go into malware [20:48]
ben_vulpes ty nevertheless [20:48]
Adlai asciilifeform: ok, $25/mo was seeming awfully cheap for a datacenter where customers visit their inmates [20:49]
asciilifeform now, despite fact that 'you get what you pay,' the sc4mz0rz who try to herd common folks into 'enterprisey' golden toilet service contracts are still scum [20:49]
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asciilifeform but they've largely succeeded in destroying the 'golden median' between goldentoilet and vm crapola [20:50]
nanotube nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ? <- nope, gribble checks upon registration if the key is already in use. [20:50]
* Adlai theoretically should migrate scalpl to somesuch bare minimum hosting... but the current box hasn't broken yet, so there's nothing to fix! [20:51]
asciilifeform that being, modest 'grey haired' boxes (as old as p3) with a modest mirrored raid, mechanical disks, half a gb of ram [20:51]
Adlai half a gb! [20:51]
asciilifeform what. [20:51]
thestringpuller that used to be a lot back in da day [20:51]
asciilifeform unless you're in the physics model business, that's -still- enough for any sane application [20:51]
Adlai it's enough for my development bots [20:51]
Adlai yep [20:51]
mircea_popescu nanotube well somehow mike_c found a case. [20:52]
asciilifeform Adlai: boxes that -i personally- could visit where i live start around ~1k usd/mo [20:52]
asciilifeform at the lowest possible end. [20:52]
Adlai http://i.imgur.com/7Hl2wBb.png [20:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AC8gv4 ) [20:53]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1021889 [20:53]
assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0), [20:53]
asciilifeform Adlai: how come you don't use 'save-lisp-and-die' ? [20:53]
Adlai some mix of: lazyness, the desire to periodically load my code into a fresh image, and ansi cl portability [20:54]
asciilifeform also why exactly are the separate instances running as separate unix processes [20:55]
asciilifeform (rather than sbcl threads) [20:55]
asciilifeform sbcl supports proper (native) threading for ages now, iirc [20:56]
Adlai "Tasks: 27, 90 thr" [20:56]
asciilifeform that doesn't answer why it needs >1 sbcl running [20:56]
Adlai it's 3 images for 4 bots, the two on the same exchange share an image; it's currently *possible* to run multiple on multiple exchanges from the same image, see 'lazyness etc' [20:57]
Adlai also nice to have some level of isolation if i royally screw up one image [20:58]
Adlai swap is there as a failsafe, it ran just fine 101 days without it, but i'd rather not take chances if things go crazy while i'm asleep [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00043498 = 15.0938 BTC [+] {2} [21:08]
jurov or it will thrash to oblivion... better with no swap - OOM killer comes quickly [21:10]
Adlai the vast majority of the data in memory is hardly ever touched and belongs in some less volatile storage [21:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00042509 = 6.4401 BTC [-] [21:18]
Adlai ahahahaha pete_dushenski thank you for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W1weeK2UA#t=242 this is just what i needed before sleep [21:21]
assbot Dogeparty 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACeJX7 ) [21:21]
pete_dushenski lol my pleasure [21:22]
pete_dushenski that video made me laugh for a good few minutes [21:22]
mircea_popescu ahaha ofmg [21:23]
Adlai "like LEIKA?" [21:24]
Adlai is where i died [21:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25009 @ 0.00043857 = 10.9682 BTC [+] [21:24]
Adlai incidentally, she did to, as will the doge [21:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6862 @ 0.00043903 = 3.0126 BTC [+] [21:25]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/ [21:26]
assbot CAVIRTEX Shutting Down Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACfQpG ) [21:26]
mircea_popescu will ? [21:27]
mircea_popescu lolk [21:27]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/02/cavirtex-shutting-down-withdrawals-temporarily-disabled/ [21:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic << Interested in producing a likbez for qntra on this sort of disinformation, in this case specifically? [21:28]
mike_c nanotube: here's the weirdness: [21:29]
mike_c http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=chashew [21:29]
assbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgqUs ) [21:29]
mike_c http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=bolzer [21:29]
assbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgumX ) [21:29]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo nice :D [21:29]
mike_c note they have same fingerprint, but with chashew the keyid and fingerprint don't match [21:29]
mike_c and that's simply the first one i noticed, i didn't continue to find others [21:30]
nanotube mike_c: yep, got it. thanks :) [21:32]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ [21:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00043328 = 8.1331 BTC [+] [21:40]
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ben_vulpes re: cavirtex hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [21:47]
ben_vulpes fuck joseph david. [21:47]
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