Forum logs for 18 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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PeterL zher is possesive [12:57]
PeterL zhim is object pronoun [12:57]
mircea_popescu wut. [12:57]
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mircea_popescu wut. [12:58]
PeterL "she was walking her dog down street, gave her a treat", "he was walking down the street with his dog, gave him a treat" [12:58]
mircea_popescu dogs are it. [12:58]
kakobrekla no, the dog gave the treat [12:58]
PeterL her can be equivalent to him or his, because English is not a very systematic language [12:59]
danielpbarron that's why dog owners always bring plastic baggies; for treat collection [12:59]
thestringpuller nubbins`: something something loyalty. [12:59]
mircea_popescu the dog treat[ment]! [12:59]
PeterL I gave it to her/him/zhim, the thing was hers/his/??? [13:03]
mircea_popescu i propose she/he/herp her/him/herp hers/his/derp [13:04]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands. << fountains gotta fountain. [13:06]
PeterL BingoBoingo: s/produces much Britain's /produces much of Britains's in [13:07]
assbot Scotland Takes Symbolic Step Towards Online Independence | ... ( ) [13:07]
mircea_popescu << it occurs to me a good time to run away is when an australian guy finds a spider he never saw before. [13:07]
assbot Logged on 18-02-2015 02:24:56; cazalla: i'm cleaning up and what do i see.. a spider, but one i've never seen before [13:07]
mircea_popescu it's probably the antichrist. [13:08]
jurov what to do when said guy wants to keep said spider as pet? [13:09]
mircea_popescu run away further! [13:09]
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mircea_popescu "Yet another article describing what we've known for a while : secure computing is in fact rendered impossible by the hardware itself, what with DMAi, what with defective separation of controlii with CPUs embedded in all the peripherals anyway and so on and so forth." [13:12]
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mircea_popescu holy shit trilema was discussing the "hard drtives discovery" a year ago ? [13:13]
mircea_popescu thanks asciilifeform for digging it up lol [13:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: probably needs entirely new chemistry. << graphite base ? [13:18]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu doesn't like spiders? [13:18]
mircea_popescu no one says you need a dielectric with conductive masks, you could use a conductor with dielectric masks ? [13:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities << you're right that it's the wrong thought, and also, "customary" - honestly even making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost, is well worth it. [13:19]
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jurov how long it takes a z80 to make or verify ECDSA signature? [13:25]
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jurov let's say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps [13:27]
jurov ;;calc 500000/(8000000/10) [13:27]
gribble 0.625 [13:27]
jurov and i suspect i'm very optimistic about 500k steps = 500k 16bit instructions [13:28]
jurov lol it's 8bit actually xD [13:29]
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mircea_popescu jurov this discussion is along the lines of "nobody will use bitcoin if transactions take > x arbitrary time" [13:30]
mircea_popescu this is false : when there is no alternative, no one "doesn't use" it because aesthetics. [13:30]
nubbins` !s portatronic [13:31]
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mircea_popescu if the only way to make a secure signature is to take a day to do it, heck, you'll take a day. [13:31]
mircea_popescu people did business when it took a month. [13:31]
jurov so they'll use only because they can cook it at home? [13:31]
kakobrekla x arbitrary time < not when x approaches infinite [13:31]
jurov when there's a restaurant 1000x faster? [13:31]
mircea_popescu jurov there isn't. [13:31]
mircea_popescu that's the point. if there is we just use that. [13:32]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yes, only for finite xen [13:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: and hence this. << tis great, what. [13:33]
kakobrekla you actually dont have to go that far. for me 100years + is pretty much as good as infinite, as i dont expect to see it [13:34]
jurov what specifically "there isn't"? [13:34]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla agreed. [13:34]
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mircea_popescu jurov there isn't hardware you can trust. [13:34]
jurov there is. teletype and such [13:35]
mircea_popescu but regardless, that's not how death comes to it. death comes to it like bitcoin came to the usd : first, it's a toy. [13:35]
mircea_popescu then... [13:35]
jurov z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu [13:35]
mircea_popescu i merely wish to point out that i had better games on the z80 than on the ipad. [13:35]
jurov but you certainly didn't have better crypto [13:36]
mircea_popescu but i did have better security. [13:36]
nubbins` ;;google "death comes quick for these types" [13:36]
gribble Influenza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ebola virus disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Critical Issue of Life and Death - BuddhaNet: [13:36]
mircea_popescu nubbins` google doesn't get a joke >D [13:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00043382 = 4.2731 BTC [+] [13:36]
nubbins` was actually wondering if a specific thing'd come up [13:36]
jurov as long as you made no transactions involving wires or floppies, then yes. [13:36]
mircea_popescu i did. but nobody had a clue to tap them. [13:37]
jurov or you seriously propose homebrew ICs just to be able to play 8bit stuff again? [13:37]
mircea_popescu not exactly. but to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts and ideas. [13:38]
Adlai [13:38]
assbot So the question is - do we really want to keep our market economy and see if it ... | Hacker News ... ( ) [13:38]
mircea_popescu a large portion of the insecurity today is due to the fact that people like poettering CAN be involved. [13:38]
mircea_popescu the reason z80 era was secure was because governments, generally, COULD NOT be involved [13:38]
mircea_popescu for lack of intellectual capacity [13:38]
mircea_popescu (note i am discussing strictly soviet satellites here, obviously each place has its own golden age) [13:38]
jurov lol you idealize it. they were involved exactly because it was simple, unlike any crypto [13:38]
jurov no maffs nmecessary [13:39]
mircea_popescu i happen to know the guys and what they did, exhaustively and personally. [13:39]
mircea_popescu no idealization involved. [13:39]
mircea_popescu but perhaps excessive geo particularization, obv. [13:39]
jurov well, i know some too. very few of them improved so much that they would be able to implement bitcoin [13:40]
jurov like, statistical error [13:40]
mircea_popescu it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away" [13:40]
kakobrekla Adlai stupid thread. just wait till you cant distinguish silicon from flesh. [13:41]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: when has it ever been easy to spot a mole? [13:41]
mircea_popescu and im pretty sure the us had this too, even if i wasn't there t o witness, for reasons like the beginning of gate's career, when he was a whiny turd outcast at computer conventions. [13:41]
thestringpuller Or at least a good one. Spies have gotten better methinks. [13:41]
mircea_popescu his rise in fact exactly mirrors this particular economic change, where shitgnomes finally became able to breach into computing. [13:42]
Adlai kakobrekla: s/silicon|flesh/lab-grown|organic/ [13:42]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller it generally is. [13:42]
mircea_popescu spies are worse than they ever were in the history of the world, with the exception of 1200. [13:42]
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Adlai "sorry, i prefer to only have organic sex" [13:42]
Adlai !up thestringpuller [13:42]
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mircea_popescu decimation: < 'leadership' at its finest << no, he has a point, and it's perhaps the first time i've seen obama say something intelligent. [13:43]
Adlai note that in this case both would technically be "organic", but one side has the moral superiority of whatever the "organic" buzzword stands for [13:43]
mircea_popescu what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description" [13:43]
mircea_popescu but he says it decorously. [13:43]
thestringpuller Well you had ninjas and shit a millenium ago. Now you have "poor replication" or ninja. [13:44]
thestringpuller of ninja* [13:44]
mircea_popescu and his point is entirely valid : when it comes to idiocy, blaming obama is pointless. blame the public. [13:44]
nubbins` blaming the public is kinda pointless too [13:44]
mircea_popescu how so ? [13:44]
mircea_popescu i do not mean "the public" collectively. [13:44]
nubbins` might as well blame the wind. what's to gain? [13:44]
nubbins` o. [13:44]
mircea_popescu i mean, joint and several, every single individual, individually. [13:44]
nubbins` of course you do [13:44]
nubbins` 8) [13:45]
mircea_popescu ie, every single us citizen is to hang for the debt. himself. personally. for the whole sum of it, 50 trillion or w/e it is. [13:45]
mircea_popescu o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next. [13:45]
kakobrekla Adlai there doesn't have to be a difference to argue about it. See [13:46]
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nubbins` what's 50trn in real money [13:46]
mircea_popescu nubbins` one million detached houses would do. [13:47]
mircea_popescu alternatively, one could pay in heads of cattle. fifty billion of them or so. [13:47]
mod6 ;;calc 21000000/50000000000000 [13:48]
gribble 4.2e-07 [13:48]
mircea_popescu or if not, we're repossessing all of the person's 5 billion cars, or whatever, 200 billion ipads. [13:48]
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mircea_popescu got 200 billion ipads ? [13:48]
mircea_popescu o look, russia could buy america!!11 [13:48]
thestringpuller ;;calc 50000000000000 / 21000000 [13:49]
gribble 2380952.38095 [13:49]
mod6 thx tsp [13:49]
mircea_popescu i wonder what the prices for slaves would look like if the market was suddenly deluged with 300mn lazy, self entitled, "Consumers have come to expect" ish people. [13:51]
mircea_popescu i should probably buy Crop&Cane Inc shares. [13:51]
thestringpuller those people would make terrible slaves even if beaten [13:51]
mod6 ^ [13:51]
thestringpuller "ho -> housewife" or something rappers say [13:52]
mod6 "Stop that! Get me a latte!" [13:52]
mircea_popescu that lasts for maybe an hour. [13:53]
mircea_popescu maybe. [13:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www << that. [13:53]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes explain teh "Red queen" reference ? [13:55]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: evolutionary race thing [14:00]
ben_vulpes peacock feathers, gate sizes [14:00]
mircea_popescu van velen ? [14:01]
mircea_popescu ie, "gotta do all the running you can just to stay put" thing ? [14:02]
ben_vulpes yeah, that. [14:02]
ben_vulpes niche exhaustion. [14:02]
mircea_popescu yeah ok. [14:02]
mircea_popescu brendafdez :I could be running some shady business there instead... << wut ?! [14:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00043382 = 2.1257 BTC [+] [14:03]
mircea_popescu either this chick has the most bizarre sense of humor that also happens to not translate well, or else she's insane. [14:04]
mircea_popescu brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue << it was never fixed. they just "Refactored" the code to preserve all th bugs but break people's ability to find them. someone in the comment section did the work and identified the new form of the ancient bug. [14:07]
mircea_popescu << i bashed it. and some earlier thing. this log rocked LOL [14:09]
assbot Logged on 18-02-2015 14:19:21; ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes [14:09]
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ben_vulpes i kinda stopped watching the bash when my great bashes all got flushed [14:10]
mircea_popescu << i don't uinderstand... why making a statementy and signing it with the key in question is no good ? [14:11]
assbot Logged on 18-02-2015 14:31:41; danielpbarron: stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof [14:11]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes aww which !? [14:11]
ben_vulpes gpg rules everything around me, for one [14:11]
ben_vulpes excellent wu tang reference [14:11]
ben_vulpes no wait [14:12]
ben_vulpes hashes rule everything around me? [14:12]
ben_vulpes i dunno [14:12]
ben_vulpes it was in the bash at one point [14:12]
kakobrekla [14:12]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( ) [14:12]
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ben_vulpes ah shit old times [14:13]
mircea_popescu derp. [14:13]
ben_vulpes << see what's gone now? [14:13]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( ) [14:13]
mircea_popescu wut ? [14:13]
ben_vulpes all the points. [14:14]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns << certainly. [14:14]
mircea_popescu because that's the libertard thinking, if anyone makes fun of his idiocy then therefore they may no longer exist [14:14]
ben_vulpes << baww lookit mike_c [14:14]
mircea_popescu gotta preserve the stupid! [14:14]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( ) [14:14]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes wouldja be happier if there was a rng added to the vote counts ? :D [14:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00042284 = 6.258 BTC [-] {2} [14:15]
ben_vulpes neh can't trust it [14:15]
mike_c ben_vulpes: that was when I was auctioning off options in channel. the good old days. [14:15]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << conversely, if some hehigh officialman such as the manpresidentguy fucked a dog^H^H^H bitch [14:16]
mircea_popescu that'd ALSO give a boost. especially to news at 11. [14:16]
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mircea_popescu << and zher rather than zhis is obviously because the argument isn't what it's being presented as, but something quite else entirely. [14:17]
assbot Logged on 18-02-2015 14:49:27; nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time. [14:17]
Adlai obligatory mention of Black Mirror, in case nobody has seen it yet [14:18]
kakobrekla anyway theres 20 bashes waiting for moderation if someone wants to give it a go.. [14:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla whoever next complains gets saddled with doing it for a month ? [14:18]
kakobrekla that could be punishing the readers [14:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, what happens once mp refuses to fork english to make the pronoun blocks more inclusive ? [14:19]
ben_vulpes bring back the rota [14:19]
mircea_popescu do we have a english sell war ? [14:19]
Adlai english is dead, we're speaking freenode [14:19]
Adlai or asslish [14:19]
mircea_popescu no. this is the king's english. [14:19]
kakobrekla !b 2 [14:19]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [14:19]
mircea_popescu they're speaking w/e the fuck it is. [14:19]
kakobrekla 21 [14:19]
kakobrekla meh mp broked it [14:20]
Adlai guy walking down a hedge, hears chanting behind a gap - "twenty one! twenty one! twenty one!" [14:20]
mircea_popescu who the fuck seriously thinks the their in "everyone must have their books" could possibly mean "all the books" [14:20]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: it's a hobby << you and danielpbarron have a lot more in common than either of you realise. [14:21]
mircea_popescu plus the beard. [14:21]
mircea_popescu << kinda easy when you have like, you know, an actual list of customers who are actually paying you. like... money. [14:22]
assbot Logged on 18-02-2015 14:53:13; ben_vulpes: << look, microshit beat facebutts! [14:22]
mircea_popescu it's a concept hard to zunderstand zfor zthe zretard zcrowd, however let us say it's "sort-of like likes", in that there's kind-of a limited supply. [14:23]
mircea_popescu btw, i bet you half a dead badger someone ejaculated on vs any trading card mythological beast that this entire z-ification of words is a ploy by some well connected (online) otaku to improve the scrabble board. [14:24]
mircea_popescu cause zhe is like all into scrabble and hates the lack of zwords so zhe made zsome. [14:24]
mircea_popescu nevermind that zenglish looks kinda like hungarian, and if he wanted zs for j and sz for sh he should just learn that instead of inventing "a new one". [14:25]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron btw, send me some pile of pogoplugs pics when you have a moment. [14:26]
mircea_popescu nubbins`:is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing? << it's a kind-of stupid idea because a presynched chain is not verified. [14:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+] [14:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: kinda tempted to buy like a hundred << do. [14:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: i guess no easy way to count << easy, like 60. [14:31]
assbot Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:18; mircea_popescu: people keep derping about uh oh, 7k nodes. BULLSHIT. we're down from 270k to 61. [14:31]
mircea_popescu incidentally, this point may be worth a qntra ? not exactly news, per se, but certainly would be news to a large section of "community" [14:31]
Adlai !up thestringpuller [14:32]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: it was gpg rules everything around me GREAM...get the hashes crypto crypto crypto coin. iirc [14:33]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: yeah mircea_popescu found the bash and everything [14:33]
ben_vulpes crypto crypto coin /y'all/ [14:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+] [14:34]
thestringpuller Ah just saw it. [14:34]
thestringpuller Wu Tang Cyrpto Financial. [14:34]
mircea_popescu "He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork." [14:35]
mircea_popescu lmao wut. [14:35]
thestringpuller "you gotta diversify your crypto assets nigga" [14:35]
mircea_popescu dude, seriously, they need a lot better content, wtf. [14:35]
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mircea_popescu ahh nice, caught up. alrighty, laters all! [14:37]
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assbot You need an Ambien to sleep because you bought the trappings of power instead of the real thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [15:04]
pete_dushenski more waterfalia coming: "U.S. Marshals to auction off 50,000 bitcoins forfeited by Silk Road founder - Reuters" [15:06]
mike_c they've sold what, 80k so far? [15:06]
pete_dushenski and alan "not a us agent" silbert is already pleading ignorance: "I don't recall- has the market ever gone down AFTER these auctions occur? B/c I don't think anybody buying at auction would dump them on mkt" [15:07]
pete_dushenski mike_c: sounds about right [15:07]
pete_dushenski fuckin eh this silbert guy thinks that he can avoid the fate of hearn and gavin [15:07]
pete_dushenski as if [15:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8107 @ 0.00041999 = 3.4049 BTC [-] [15:13]
danielpbarron height=200106 vs height=184384 [15:22]
danielpbarron whenever i check in on these things, the solid state drive is usually busy processing new blocks, and the 5400 rpm pogo is busy discarding bogus data or whatever it does besides processing blocks [15:23]
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ben_vulpes pete dooce [15:46]
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pete_dushenski much better [15:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00042193 = 2.3442 BTC [+] [17:01]
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danielpbarron !up mogreen [17:21]
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PeterL just did a "digital job interview" with BASF, consisted of just recording a video of me answering the typical interview questions. [17:43]
PeterL what is the world coming to when you talk to a computer instead of a person when interviewing for a job? [17:44]
jurov the computer asked the questions? [17:44]
lobbes after one of my last interviews I almost would've preferred that; the dude was so dejected it was depressing [17:45]
PeterL yes, well, they were printed on the screen, and I talk into the camera to answer [17:45]
PeterL if the guy interviewing you is dejected, doesn't that tell you something about the company? [17:45]
danielpbarron job interview should better take place on irc [17:45]
lobbes exactly why I didn't take it lol [17:45]
lobbes which I guess you can't glean from a computer, so.. [17:46]
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danielpbarron they get to pretent they are important by making you apply with an automation [17:47]
PeterL a couple jobs ago, when I interviewed the guy grabbed a random coworker and asked "don't you like working here", they were like "ummmmmmm, sure?" that should have been a sign, but I took job anyway [17:47]
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PeterL and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? Are they going to throw out my resume if I say too high a number? Obviously they won't go above the number I say, right? [17:49]
PeterL "I made X before, but I expect to be paid 2X (and I would take the job if you offer me 1/2 X)" [17:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 22381 @ 0.00028529 = 6.3851 BTC [+] [17:51]
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trinque PeterL: "I would prefer to hear your offer and work from there." [17:53]
trinque that question is effectively "please sell yourself short so I don't have to" [17:53]
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PeterL oh, and their website requires flash, which is no longer supports Linux systems or MacOS < 10.6, bleh (I ended up using my smartphone instead) [17:57]
trinque anyone have a fast node I can give deedbot btcd? it's got about a month left of catching up [17:57]
trinque danielpbarron: ? ^ [17:57]
danielpbarron uh idk if mine is "fast" [17:57]
danielpbarron runs off a home internet connection [17:58]
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trinque danielpbarron: k [17:58]
danielpbarron and in my experience, directly connecting to a node takes longer than just letting it discover peers, even when the direct connect is on the local area network [17:58]
trinque it seems to have one it likes atm [17:59]
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trinque I'll just let it run unless anyone has a suggestion on how to make it hurry up [17:59]
danielpbarron although my experience in that regard is limited to pogo->pogo [17:59]
danielpbarron the bottleneck there is probably not ethernet speed [17:59]
trinque probably disk IO eh? [18:00]
danielpbarron well yeah disk IO is the bottleneck for one syncing with the network; i think it's another matter when one is trying to seed *while* still syncing [18:00]
danielpbarron maybe also disk IO [18:01]
danielpbarron i was hoping to conserve bandwidth by having one feed the other, but it just slowed them down [18:01]
trinque I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018 [18:02]
danielpbarron sounds about right [18:02]
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scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [18:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00042193 = 2.5025 BTC [+] [18:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3519 @ 0.00042678 = 1.5018 BTC [+] [18:56]
cazalla going back to the circle selfie request from earlier, wonder how much of this they get [18:58]
assbot murzika comments on We Deserve A Better Bitcoin Experience Than Circle ... ( ) [18:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00043936 = 1.6037 BTC [+] [19:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00042356 = 2.7531 BTC [-] [20:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00042356 = 2.2872 BTC [-] [20:18]
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mod6 ;;calc 1000000000000000/13853000 [20:42]
gribble 72186529.9935 [20:42]
mod6 ;;calc 50000000000000/72186529.99 [20:43]
gribble 692650.000034 [20:43]
mod6 so given 1qd dollars, 50tn would be ~700k btc [20:43]
mod6 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 [20:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20974 @ 0.00043936 = 9.2151 BTC [+] [20:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00043257 = 8.4784 BTC [-] {2} [20:55]
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jurov no trillions, sadly [20:58]
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mod6 so apparently global wealth was ~$263Tn in 2014 [20:59]
mod6 ;;calc 263000000000000/13853000 [20:59]
gribble 18985057.3883 [20:59]
mod6 ;;calc 50000000000000/18985057.3883 [20:59]
gribble 2633650.19011 [20:59]
jurov << lol a real cult [21:00]
assbot Systemd Gets An Fsck Daemon/Service - Page 2 ... ( ) [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14524 @ 0.00043936 = 6.3813 BTC [+] [21:00]
jurov and all the incantations before it [21:01]
jurov "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution" [21:03]
jurov inb4 "Our SystemD in the clouds, hallowed be zer name, zer kingdom cometh... [21:04]
mod6 one turd to rule them all... [21:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00041842 = 22.3855 BTC [-] {3} [21:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28012 @ 0.00042308 = 11.8513 BTC [+] [21:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23838 @ 0.00043985 = 10.4851 BTC [+] {2} [21:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00041577 = 11.6 BTC [-] {2} [21:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7074 @ 0.00043714 = 3.0923 BTC [+] [21:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00043764 = 2.2757 BTC [+] [21:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00043764 = 3.6324 BTC [+] [21:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00043764 = 9.2123 BTC [+] [21:54]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you could use a conductor with dielectric masks << l0l!! not invertible, think for halfaminute [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5564 @ 0.00044119 = 2.4548 BTC [+] [22:07]
asciilifeform you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either... [22:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10177 @ 0.00044483 = 4.527 BTC [+] {2} [22:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost << absolutely. but it is important to understand that a z80 (or even intel 4004) is far, far closer to the 'pentium' than to anything that has ever been built entirely at home from discretes [22:09]
asciilifeform jurov: ... say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps << memory is by far the more merciless constraint [22:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4359 @ 0.0004471 = 1.9489 BTC [+] [22:09]
asciilifeform it isn't a question of 'takes longer', but of simply-never-happens [22:10]
asciilifeform jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers? [22:11]
asciilifeform you get, more or less, an early '60s mainframe.. [22:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts << here i am, lol [22:12]
asciilifeform 'if wish were horse' etc [22:14]
BingoBoingo jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers? << Sometime in 2013 on Tardstalk to celebrate advent of the "ASIC Age" I drunkenly pr [22:15]
BingoBoingo oposed Burning Man style festival centered around 1 Acre "ASIC" with a goal of at least 1 h/s. Gained insufficient traction. [22:15]
BingoBoingo [22:19]
assbot _whitenoise comments on I just burnt 0.56 btc ... ( ) [22:19]
asciilifeform i don't get this. [22:21]
asciilifeform if i lost xx btc by tripping over a cord, or the like, last thing i'd think to do is to publicly 'brag' [22:22]
asciilifeform do these folks have sense of shame wire crossed with something ? [22:22]
BingoBoingo I was more loling at libertard reddit suggesting the rice trick attracts azns to fix the phone. But yes. Clumsy then toasting phone then bragging suggests compiled in the womb without the -SHAME flag set [22:23]
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BingoBoingo I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018 << Are you really sure you want to be using btcd instead of bitcoind then? November 2013 was the most brutal month I've sync'd so far this round and no where near that bad on this wimpy machine [22:28]
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asciilifeform << re: z80 thread [22:30]
assbot 'Re: How many transistors in the 6502 processor?' - MARC ... ( ) [22:30]
asciilifeform [22:32]
assbot >> Zilog >> Z80 ... ( ) [22:32]
asciilifeform ^ has others [22:32]
asciilifeform another thing to remember is path delays... [22:33]
asciilifeform << pdp-8 made of discrete transistors in the first model. note the details: [22:35]
asciilifeform 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.' [22:36]
asciilifeform last thing i'll say about this for now is that it is a grave mistake to rebuild these starvation-camp machines as 'dawn of year zero.' these impossibly cramped programmable calculators are how we ended up with a braindamaged computing stack in the first place [22:37]
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asciilifeform and yes, unix is pretty good for a pdp-8, but unix is ultimately braindamaged when compared to what is possible. [22:38]
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asciilifeform (other thing about pdp-8 - ferrite bead 'core' memory. what is one to substitute for it, if avoiding modern ic?) [22:40]
BingoBoingo Obligatory task that could be more distasteful than pdp-8 reversion [22:43]
assbot Fun With Tunichromes. In the Pipeline: ... ( ) [22:43]
asciilifeform ^ wtf. that doesn't sound unpleasant at all. [22:45]
asciilifeform not compared to what i do for a living at any rate. [22:45]
asciilifeform and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today. [22:46]
mircea_popescu i was out all day what! [22:47]
* asciilifeform was also out all day, and is about to be out some more, is tired [22:48]
trinque BingoBoingo: well I'd expect nov '13 to be easier than jan '15 right? [22:49]
trinque er dec '14 [22:50]
trinque strike that again, it's on january now [22:50]
BingoBoingo trinque: Well I was off by 100,00 blocks, but looking at the blocksize chart it is really hard to say. [22:50]
BingoBoingo and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today. << I was more concerned with the 'actual' smells. [22:51]
BingoBoingo Could you imagine if the pdp-8 got full of ocelot dander? [22:51]
BingoBoingo trinque: But some months are much slower than the ones that follow. November 2013 sucked. December 2013 zipping by. [22:52]
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mike_c BingoBoingo: i lol'd. for real. [22:54]
mike_c (rice trick) [22:54]
BingoBoingo mike_c: I'm just impressed reddit lol's so much [22:55]
mike_c yeah, that was an actual funny joke. [22:56]
BingoBoingo And then there's the lol at the lol [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11498 @ 0.0004473 = 5.1431 BTC [+] {3} [23:00]
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decimation mircea_popescu: "what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"" < aye, and he should have said "I cannot accomplish that which you desire" [23:07]
mircea_popescu yeah well, he's being polite. [23:08]
decimation "o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next." < $185k per person [23:10]
assbot U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time ... ( ) [23:10]
decimation per citizen that is [23:10]
decimation that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum [23:10]
BingoBoingo decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos? [23:12]
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BingoBoingo i.e. Actual bum on the street who racks up 15 millions in US deficit via ER frequent flying gets a trophy. [23:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00044627 = 28.4274 BTC [-] [23:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00043764 = 2.6258 BTC [-] [23:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00044758 = 4.1401 BTC [+] [23:29]
BingoBoingo lesser lol [23:29]
assbot TIL FreeBSD takes Bitcoin Donations. : Bitcoin ... ( ) [23:29]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitstein i thought chomsky had pretty much the best points. [23:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:37]
BingoBoingo OMG mircea_popescu and chomsky sitting in a tree s-o-d-o M I E [23:40]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:41]
BingoBoingo What's blood has an adequate protein/lipid/water ratio to be an adequate lubriacant. [23:43]
* BingoBoingo warns he is going though routine maintenance cycle atm. Drinking away Sunday-Tuesdays's odometer related existential crysis. [23:44]
BingoBoingo Also... Reddit is rejecting-ish MUltisig [23:47]
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BingoBoingo At this moment I am convinced that even in the absence of a crypto exploit for multisig the PR campaign persists to standardize a set of worst practices as "ISO" [23:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 30? [23:51]
asciilifeform if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << i've never seen, felt, smelled, 185k and don't expect to live to [23:53]
asciilifeform then again, also don't need voting for anything in particular [23:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 29! Dangerously close to 30. [23:54]
asciilifeform aha assumed 30 or the like given 'odometer rolled' [23:55]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: lesser number roll too. [23:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i spent my 30th bday last yr populating v1 rng (x4) under stereomicroscope. whatever you did had to beat that. [23:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I went thorugh collenge notebooks stiking out entire years as total losses. [23:58]
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