Forum logs for 17 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
jayk gpg: sending key 84D27F50 to hkp server pgp.mit.edu [00:00]
jayk i assume it sent [00:01]
williamdunne Yep [00:01]
williamdunne Now try registering again [00:01]
jayk !register 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 [00:01]
assbot Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50. This may take a few moments. [00:01]
assbot Key 84D27F50 / "Jeremy Koski (If I'm Not Me I'd Sure Like To Know Who The Hell Is!) " successfully imported. [00:01]
assbot Registration successful. [00:01]
jayk ther eit is [00:01]
williamdunne There you go [00:02]
jayk just took a second to register [00:02]
williamdunne !rate jayk even newer than me [00:02]
assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. [00:02]
williamdunne !rate jayk 1 even newer than me [00:02]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/cf3e1da515cea976 [00:02]
williamdunne !verify assbot:williamdunne.rate.jayk.1:89527ac5ebf31f019663f101eb67aeec89f9bebd1522e94b3b900904aa7a940e [00:02]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for jayk with note: even newer than me [00:02]
williamdunne !gettrust williamdunne jayk [00:03]
assbot Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user jayk: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/williamdunne/jayk | http://w.b-a.link/user/jayk [00:03]
williamdunne There you go [00:03]
jayk cool [00:04]
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williamdunne As you interact with people and do trades/jobs your reputation will increase [00:05]
williamdunne Your reputation in the WoT here is essentially your entire value [00:05]
williamdunne Treat it like you would your dearest posession; do not lend it to those you cannot trust. Protect it and attempt to earn more of it [00:06]
* assbot removes voice from jayk [00:09]
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danielpbarron !up jayk [00:10]
* assbot gives voice to jayk [00:10]
jayk k [00:11]
williamdunne jayk: Anyhow, what made you come back after these years? [00:11]
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jayk i was wondering if it was still around [00:14]
williamdunne jayk: Yes, it has survived in a space where most have died [00:15]
jayk yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months [00:16]
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williamdunne jayk: Hard industry. Year is a long time here. I'm probably not the best person to introduce you though as I am new myself [00:18]
williamdunne !up Cory [00:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7283 @ 0.00030669 = 2.2336 BTC [-] {2} [01:18]
mircea_popescu !up jayk [01:26]
-assbot- You voiced jayk for 30 minutes. [01:26]
* assbot gives voice to jayk [01:26]
mircea_popescu dude, as soon as ben_vulpes split party died [01:26]
BingoBoingo Really? [01:27]
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mircea_popescu myeah [01:28]
mircea_popescu williamdunne how do you mean ? it's only defined as #mask_head_ie{ position:relative; for ie, are you on ie and they changed how they break css meanwhile ? [01:32]
williamdunne I'm getting it on firefox, I'll try testing it again [01:33]
williamdunne Interesting, can't replicate the issue [01:34]
* mircea_popescu hasn't changed anything [01:34]
mircea_popescu maybe you got a bad (partial) page load ? [01:34]
williamdunne Yeah I have no clue what happened there [01:35]
williamdunne Possible [01:35]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: how do you get home so quickly/! [01:35]
mircea_popescu heh. [01:35]
ben_vulpes i might not be able to hail a cab, but i can goose partybutt into action [01:35]
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ben_vulpes now its time to audit bills [01:36]
ben_vulpes SMALLBIZLYFE [01:36]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: I haven't been able to reproduce on my version of FireFox [01:36]
ben_vulpes just call it derpcorp [01:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102783 << you don;'t understand how braindamage works. [01:37]
assbot Logged on 16-04-2015 20:48:37; williamdunne: Which derp is responsible for marketing at Quadriga CX, and why are they wasting money advertising their Canadian exchange to someone in the UK. [01:37]
mircea_popescu but maybe they buy a nascar stadium. it'll be good for bitcoin (fm) [01:37]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: And I hope I never do [01:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00030775 = 2.0619 BTC [+] [01:37]
williamdunne BingoBoingo: Yeah, seems issue was my side because even I can't replicate it now [01:37]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: The Trilema CSS has been by MP's declaration constant for years nao. Maybe your Firecox updated to solve the regression? [01:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102807 << no wai ?! [01:39]
assbot Logged on 16-04-2015 23:17:05; ascii_c3: because it wasn't me... [01:39]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i thought you were aware of this! [01:39]
mircea_popescu was not no. [01:39]
mircea_popescu i saw teh mitm parts [01:39]
ben_vulpes next time i will be more explicit [01:39]
BingoBoingo !s disney [01:40]
assbot 92 results for 'disney' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=disney [01:40]
ben_vulpes but directly related to box relocation desire [01:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102836 << it is, actually, but we see. [01:41]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 01:04:33; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Is that being worked on? [01:41]
williamdunne Impressive how much is being worked on [01:41]
williamdunne !s s.limbs [01:41]
assbot 20 results for 's.limbs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.limbs [01:41]
BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/#comment-113674 [01:43]
assbot Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUH7hG ) [01:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102867 < i lolt. [01:43]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 02:26:29; sickboy: I trade swaps at finex and arb futures on icbit and okcoin and make options markets on 796 [01:43]
williamdunne !s S.MNKY [01:44]
assbot 9 results for 'S.MNKY' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=S.MNKY [01:44]
* BingoBoingo likes how itBet with FDIC on board only changed one letter from icBit bukkit shop [01:45]
mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/317fd7759acf3b4b1cb9eea0784c6574/tumblr_nd091mK7En1tlpc32o1_400.gif just for jayk. [01:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUHGrS ) [01:46]
mircea_popescu it's called mining. [01:46]
ben_vulpes dude mircea_popescu i just overflowed the calculator on this pnhoe [01:47]
mircea_popescu lol ? [01:47]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: for brown gold? [01:47]
mircea_popescu williamdunne i think they call them buttcoins [01:47]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: 10/10 you beat me fair and square [01:48]
BingoBoingo ;;google they really are buttcoins nao [01:48]
gribble They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; what is in the mind of r/buttcoin? - Bitcoin Forum: ; NEXT: 26-07-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: [01:48]
BingoBoingo ^ williamdunne [01:48]
williamdunne BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu.. is.. is that your hairy asscrack on my screen? [01:51]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: The world may never know [01:51]
mircea_popescu ... [01:51]
mircea_popescu what ?! [01:52]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: The big question is the spots on the mirror. Jizz or toothpaste. [01:52]
williamdunne Oh hang on, its not. Its a talker just re-read the mpoe-pr [01:52]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_on_tour [01:52]
* assbot gives voice to ascii_on_tour [01:52]
BingoBoingo Hello Mr. unreliabru narrator [01:52]
williamdunne BingoBoingo: Yeah thats pretty gross [01:52]
ascii_on_tour danke BingoBoingo [01:52]
ben_vulpes gasp [01:52]
mircea_popescu williamdunne some dude called himself klye iirc. [01:52]
ben_vulpes it is the verboten handle! [01:53]
ascii_on_tour mega-expedition here [01:53]
* ascii_on_tour is now known as ascii_orc [01:53]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Gotta appreciate the dedication [01:53]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102971 << s.mpoe is down what, 50% ? [01:53]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 03:11:16; jayk: yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months [01:53]
ben_vulpes ascii_orc: did you reabsorb all the water you lost today? [01:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Earlier than klye, for the buttcointalk thread up "Jordan" [01:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo o ? i thought it was him. [01:53]
ben_vulpes ascii_orc: aha now that's clever [01:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Klye also made Buttcoin but later and for far less [01:54]
BingoBoingo The Jordan dude was a one and done [01:54]
* ascii_orc is now known as ascii_on_tour [01:55]
ascii_on_tour false alarm [01:55]
ascii_on_tour bad config on this piece of jetsam [01:55]
ascii_on_tour overdue for scrapyard [01:55]
ben_vulpes apocrypha [01:55]
ascii_on_tour naturally [01:55]
BingoBoingo ascii_on_tour: Anyone local check to make sure you aren't imposter in latex mask? [01:55]
ascii_on_tour though good live fire test for the whole concept [01:56]
ascii_on_tour what said unsigned - apocrypha always [01:56]
ben_vulpes ya well talk to me when you find your keys again [01:56]
ben_vulpes IMPOSTOR [01:56]
ascii_on_tour ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think [01:56]
ascii_on_tour before launching. [01:56]
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ascii_on_tour said the shannonizer. [01:57]
BingoBoingo Attack plan R? [01:57]
BingoBoingo OPE? [01:58]
ascii_on_tour variant xy [01:58]
BingoBoingo CRM-114? [01:58]
ben_vulpes green team you are not cleared for operation tango in my butt [01:58]
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BingoBoingo Paging Herr Doktor Merkwürdigliebe [01:59]
* ascii_on_tour is finding mars unexpectedly wet [01:59]
ben_vulpes ah it can't go on for very long [01:59]
ben_vulpes clouds don't really have a lot of water in them [01:59]
ascii_on_tour l0l [02:00]
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ascii_on_tour ben_vulpes: i did figure out how to work the cabs [02:01]
ascii_on_tour have to catch it - physically. [02:01]
ben_vulpes some orc [02:01]
ascii_on_tour like animal [02:02]
ben_vulpes i was planning to actually jump in front of the next one too, aha [02:02]
ascii_on_tour this is probably sop per local orcraft [02:02]
ben_vulpes brainorcage [02:02]
ascii_on_tour no i just grabbed hold of the door handle when it went [02:02]
ben_vulpes haha [02:02]
ascii_on_tour opened. [02:02]
ben_vulpes "oh, door is open? guess should stahp" [02:02]
BingoBoingo Such informative research [02:02]
ben_vulpes my cabbie: "hay mucho lluvia!" [02:03]
ascii_on_tour fella inside had a picture he studied at every light; 'wanted' photo of a car [02:03]
BingoBoingo Is "black car" a mode of transport in hardware #b-a? [02:03]
ascii_on_tour several angles of photo plus license plate [02:03]
ben_vulpes me: (no shit, idiot) "si, si. hotel redacto, por favor?" [02:03]
ascii_on_tour BingoBoingo: black car ? [02:03]
BingoBoingo ascii_on_tour: Like taxi, but only on hire in advance basis [02:04]
ascii_on_tour BingoBoingo: limousine ? [02:04]
ascii_on_tour no idea. [02:04]
BingoBoingo ascii_on_tour: Limousine or similar premise, but shorter [02:04]
ascii_on_tour i only even took cab because happily waltzed into opposite compass direction from what was given [02:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ah i seem to vaguely reclal this [02:04]
ascii_on_tour because thought was walking on moebius strip or the like. [02:04]
mircea_popescu false alarm << heh. [02:05]
ascii_on_tour 'burned on hot - will blow on cold' (™) (R) [02:05]
mircea_popescu ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think << you don't understand how launching works. [02:05]
ascii_on_tour 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (tm) [02:06]
ascii_on_tour yes. [02:06]
ascii_on_tour btw mitm is real [02:06]
ascii_on_tour still there as far as i can tell. [02:06]
ascii_on_tour ssh over whatever port. [02:06]
mircea_popescu im sure it's for your own safetit. [02:06]
ascii_on_tour l0lziez [02:07]
* liquidassets (4b6f1ccf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.111.28.207) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:08]
mircea_popescu !up liquidassets [02:08]
-assbot- You voiced liquidassets for 30 minutes. [02:08]
* assbot gives voice to liquidassets [02:08]
mircea_popescu ascii_on_tour so what is this zblatnik thing then ? [02:08]
liquidassets thanks mp you're the man [02:09]
ascii_on_tour wut [02:09]
mircea_popescu i dunno, it's in the email you sent me ? [02:09]
ascii_on_tour wut?? [02:09]
ascii_on_tour sent? [02:09]
mircea_popescu you didn't send me an email just now ? [02:09]
ascii_on_tour no! [02:09]
mircea_popescu o wow. it must be that i'm fucking with you then :D [02:09]
* ascii_on_tour suspected [02:09]
ascii_on_tour because 'z' [02:09]
mircea_popescu liquidassets who're you ? [02:09]
ascii_on_tour what are we now, czechs? [02:09]
mircea_popescu ascii_on_tour sound zlegit. [02:10]
ascii_on_tour zaha [02:10]
ascii_on_tour zsure. [02:10]
ben_vulpes zamassl [02:10]
liquidassets not even my real nick, if I had one, been reading logs for awhile now, been here a few times before [02:10]
mircea_popescu aha [02:10]
liquidassets can't get the hang of gpg...more reading [02:10]
mircea_popescu "this is not even my REAL pseudonym" [02:10]
ben_vulpes liquidassets: wtf is a real nick? [02:10]
mircea_popescu toolate.gif [02:10]
ascii_on_tour 'was shakespeare written by shakespeare, or other man of that name' (™) (R) [02:11]
BingoBoingo liquidassets: GPG can be leanred with concentration. [02:11]
liquidassets the one I originally wanted to use before I lost my password, or stopped working, or got ddosed... [02:11]
mircea_popescu ascii_on_tour believe it or not academic careers arew built on this [02:11]
ben_vulpes next up: mircea_popescu firsting [02:11]
liquidassets on and on... [02:11]
mircea_popescu like they are on every other meaningless (and so thereforee unverifiable) distinction [02:11]
* ascii_on_tour knew, even knew of the gzip paper [02:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00030608 = 2.9996 BTC [-] {2} [02:12]
ascii_on_tour (the one where gzip is demonstrated as mega-authorship-authenticator instrument) [02:12]
ascii_on_tour https://2012patriot.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/weimar-burning-money_2.jpg?w=450 << mega-l0l because, [02:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CULNUS ) [02:13]
ascii_on_tour we had this stove. [02:13]
* BingoBoingo wonders if MPEx would be interested in Onion futures if I manage to escape wire, simply because US demands Onions not have futures [02:13]
ascii_on_tour mega-chick also, in the photo [02:13]
ben_vulpes mega what how? [02:14]
ascii_on_tour ben_vulpes: 'money oven' photo, linked [02:14]
ben_vulpes oh i understand but in what way mega babe? [02:14]
ascii_on_tour in painting by imagination. [02:15]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/chrissanders88/status/588783110956785664 [02:16]
ascii_on_tour http://33.media.tumblr.com/317fd7759acf3b4b1cb9eea0784c6574/tumblr_nd091mK7En1tlpc32o1_400.gif << fucksaw (TM) [02:16]
assbot OH: “If you are the crazy shotgun guy and people want to test you then you just arent crazy enough." [02:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2L3nV ) [02:16]
ascii_on_tour !s fucksaw [02:16]
assbot 0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw [02:16]
ben_vulpes ascii_on_tour: how explain IP? [02:17]
ben_vulpes also how explain no results for fucksaw [02:17]
ascii_on_tour connected to access point across the street [02:17]
ascii_on_tour 'linksys; [02:17]
ascii_on_tour try yourself [02:17]
mircea_popescu ascii_on_tour everyone had that stove. [02:18]
ascii_on_tour mircea_popescu: ever orc north of equator [02:18]
ascii_on_tour *every [02:18]
mircea_popescu no, this is a vienna thing. [02:18]
mircea_popescu hence the "vienese smokes" specification for them [02:18]
mircea_popescu viense smoke = best smoke. [02:18]
liquidassets can anyone tell me if this VPN is something I don't want to use? I found this green gorilla thing next to the freenode login from #b-a's main page. Thought it was the cloak I was looking for. Don't believe it is as it's made logging into Thunderbird and Craigslist impossible without turning it off [02:18]
ascii_on_tour wut [02:18]
BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32v8ko/new_york_update_former_nyse_ceo_to_teraexchange/cqf6xnh [02:19]
assbot ButterNubber comments on New York Update: Former NYSE CEO to TeraExchange Former FDIC Chair to itBit ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2LsXH ) [02:19]
ascii_on_tour liquidassets: run moar winblows [02:19]
mircea_popescu "all of our servers are busy right now [02:19]
mircea_popescu please try again in a minute" [02:19]
mircea_popescu plox stop linking reddit, we're slashdotting them. [02:19]
ascii_on_tour poor bugg3rz [02:20]
liquidassets on a mac... [02:20]
BingoBoingo liquidassets: stick pogoplug in library with wifi, use as VPN entry point [02:20]
liquidassets can I get one soon?? [02:20]
ascii_on_tour liquidassets: what would you bring through american airport? a vax ? [02:20]
liquidassets pogoplug I thought no such bought them all [02:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But it's the big exposure of Qntra's follow up to BitPay 9 layoff forbes is trying to steal [02:20]
ascii_on_tour liquidassets: l0l aha they are here. [02:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo doh. [02:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they just "found it on the internet". [02:21]
liquidassets did you opt for pat down ascii? [02:21]
BingoBoingo I mean it i only the second big time insiders decided to leak qntra first, because qntra respects leaks [02:22]
ascii_on_tour liquidassets: opted for default [02:22]
ascii_on_tour which appears to consist of 'hurry the fuck up, we don't care what's in the crate' [02:22]
ascii_on_tour seriously, mega-ass-inspection-fail [02:22]
ben_vulpes bienvenidos a argentina [02:23]
* assbot removes voice from ascii_on_tour [02:23]
ben_vulpes !up ascii_on_tour [02:23]
* assbot gives voice to ascii_on_tour [02:23]
* ascii_on_tour is now known as ascii_orc [02:23]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_on_tour continue unreliable narratodor [02:23]
* assbot gives voice to ascii_orc [02:23]
ben_vulpes donde nadie dale las mierdas [02:23]
ascii_orc l0l [02:24]
ascii_orc ben_vulpes et al will ask my meatbag the next day, aha [02:24]
ascii_orc ' —Y mientras tanto qué comemos —preguntó, y agarró al coronel por el cuello de la franela. Lo sacudió con energía—. Dime, qué comemos. El coronel necesitó setenta y cinco años —los setenta y cinco años de su vida, minuto a minuto— para llegar a ese instante. Se sintió puro, explícito, invencible, en el momento de responder. — Mierda.' (TM) [02:25]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/588935101712437248 [02:26]
assbot Biggest news today in the /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash space by a mile. itBit landed none other then Sheila Blaire for their board! http://t.co/fn5VA2XdFx [02:26]
ascii_orc http://www.literatura.us/garciamarquez/coronel.html << where else [02:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2MG5h ) [02:26]
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ascii_orc BingoBoingo: you oughta have come here. [02:30]
ascii_orc 'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.' (TM) [02:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16329 @ 0.0003065 = 5.0048 BTC [+] {3} [02:33]
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ascii_orc http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/ << obligatory su lul: '— one day, shell landed in a trench. all the men went up. at the end of the day, we turned up an arse and a set of limbs, no head, no torso. — what did you do? — if the head had turned up, it could be a man again. but naturally - it is top brass now. what else.' [02:38]
assbot Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2OvPm ) [02:38]
* assbot removes voice from liquidassets [02:39]
BingoBoingo ascii_orc: But how is the steak? [02:39]
ascii_orc almost alive. [02:40]
ascii_orc could almost 'moo' in mouth. [02:40]
BingoBoingo Beautiful [02:41]
BingoBoingo Next month should be an inflection point that ends god awful multi-year misdemeanor proceedings [02:41]
ascii_orc http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/random-weird-shit3.jpg << i bet it was put to use. at least once. [02:43]
assbot Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aCrTr1 ) [02:43]
* ascii_orc to bed. [02:45]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [05:27]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014 [05:27]
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mircea_popescu heh http://andrewdieppa.kinja.com/indecent-exposure-or-the-fetlife-security-hole-1688251638 [05:28]
assbot Indecent Exposure, or the FetLife Security Hole ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSBC4n ) [05:28]
mircea_popescu wtf is kinja [05:28]
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mircea_popescu btw danielpbarron : see if https://twitter.com/fnxTX feels like coming by here sometime ? [05:28]
assbot JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSBDVR ) [05:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Kinja is blogger, but offered by Gawker instead of Google [05:31]
mircea_popescu oic [05:31]
BingoBoingo For the drinkingrecord blog I've had a title to write in que on why kinja is a shit proposition for the individual blogger, but... time [05:32]
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mircea_popescu aha. [05:35]
mircea_popescu seems kinda obscure anyway [05:36]
BingoBoingo It is, why it fell on the backburner. They've pushed it, but their "values" make things such that the potential audience who could use it is too small. [05:38]
mircea_popescu myeah [05:41]
BingoBoingo OH, and since I can't be there, announcement for con 3. Since last con I have abused derp sportsbooks and CoinBase Inc. to taint no less than 750 BTC with my stench. [05:45]
mircea_popescu whassat ? [05:47]
BingoBoingo Oh, I've been gambling on shady books which keep their public wallet addresses big and directly depositing to CoinBase. Contributing to the death of the idea of taint. [05:49]
mircea_popescu haha ok [05:50]
BingoBoingo Been mixing coins definitely mine by legacy addresses with big wallets and going straight from the big wallets to CoinBase, because fuck it. [05:51]
BingoBoingo Working with minimal budget I've been cross taiting a number of coins across groups who I know don't want it. [05:58]
BingoBoingo (outside of #b-a sphere) [05:58]
funkenstein_ why would anyone care? unspent outputs are unspent outputs, something else going to an address is just another unspent output. [06:01]
funkenstein_ not like I ever have to touch dust you send to an address I control [06:02]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103255 <<< where abouts in australia did ya stay? [06:04]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 07:26:01; felipelalli: despite all the problems, precisely because it is inefficient and corrupt, I feel more free here than I feel in U.S. (where I went sometimes) or in Australia (where I lived for one year) [06:04]
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felipelalli cazalla: Brisbane, Queensland. [06:08]
cazalla oh really? queensland is like most racist state in all the lands [06:09]
felipelalli cazalla: really? I didn't realize that. [06:09]
cazalla might've been qld cops that killed a brazillian for simply running away [06:09]
felipelalli cazalla: ah! yeah. that was I said. [06:09]
cazalla seems it was Sydney, oh well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Beto_Laudisio [06:10]
assbot Death of Beto Laudisio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAw7Lj ) [06:10]
mircea_popescu aaaaannnnd... http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iii/ [06:10]
assbot Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAw9Tq ) [06:10]
felipelalli cazalla: I said I didn't feel free there in relation to the police/state, only that I could walk at night on street. [06:10]
cazalla mircea_popescu, aaaaaaaaaannnnnd not a single one from melbourne, australia [06:12]
felipelalli cazalla: I remember well this case. [06:13]
cazalla felipelalli, it caught a lot of attention in the media here, not sure abroad (although when indian students get bashed/murdered, indian media goes bananas) [06:13]
mircea_popescu cazalla imagine that. [06:16]
felipelalli cazalla: also here. But you have no idea how much people are killed by police here. If they'd create a new entry on Wikipedia about all cases the Wikipedia would run out of space!! ahhaha [06:16]
mircea_popescu some from queensland... [06:16]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: how did you make this list? [06:17]
mircea_popescu see http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/ ? [06:17]
assbot Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxjhL ) [06:17]
felipelalli wow [06:18]
funkenstein_ i have an idea, lets give a bunch of idiots uniforms and guns and see what happens [06:18]
mircea_popescu During the inquest, the cause of death was also not determined. Various causes of death were, however, specifically ruled out. These were: [06:19]
mircea_popescu i. The tasering, either in drive stun or probe mode Experts determined that there was insufficient electricity to have caused a heart rhythm disruption in drive stun mode, nor were any pair of probes positioned either side of the heart (as was the case in scholarly articles in which it has been suggested that Taser may have caused ventricular fibrillation) [06:19]
mircea_popescu dude check that out. how do the tasers work, by invoking manna from heaven ? [06:20]
cazalla http://i.imgur.com/rKg0J0M.jpg <<< garza's wife again [06:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxFoL ) [06:20]
mircea_popescu notbad. [06:21]
mircea_popescu is that a handcarved pole behind her, in between those corner windows ? [06:21]
mircea_popescu i seem to remember very similar windows... [06:21]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: The point is the FBI and Treasury department showed up at my front door. I know full well I am watched. Vehicles park in my neighborhood without known possession. If they will deny me life as such then I will be Xoas, the gap. [06:27]
BingoBoingo If I must be minded, why not be the gap? [06:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103214 << ahaha good one. [06:29]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 05:35:33; ascii_orc: could almost 'moo' in mouth. [06:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103223 << pretty cool shit. [06:29]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 06:44:55; Chillum: mircea_popescu: You expressed on interest in my super simple war walking device I am working on. I have made PCB design and ordered 4 prototype boards(only $20): http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_PCB.png - The circuit basically bridges an ESP8266 ESP-01, a RYN25AI, and 2 AA batteries. The rest is software [06:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103247 << imo brazil is headed straight for mexico fail mode. [06:30]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 07:18:49; BingoBoingo: I'm wondering if Brazil has compelling places and characteristics that justify getting Portugese [06:30]
mircea_popescu this is not recoverable. [06:30]
BingoBoingo If already man, why not myth and legend? [06:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Been my present Brazil objection [06:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the gawker shit kicks ass. [06:32]
mircea_popescu and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater" [06:32]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I's seriously qntra it up now if wasn't contemplating legend atm [06:32]
mircea_popescu "as journalism has moved online and flourished over the past 20 years" "good times (which our company enjoys now), and even more in bad times (which will inevitably come)" [06:33]
mircea_popescu hahaha. if the past 20 years is flourishing, and the current "we don't pay you anything, write for free" thing is good times... [06:34]
mircea_popescu but he's right : worse times are coming. [06:34]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: it is also easy to extract all photos from the site, like this one: https://fetlife.com/users/70387/pictures/978791 [06:34]
assbot Login - FetLife ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAzhP7 ) [06:34]
mircea_popescu yes. [06:34]
mircea_popescu "Nobody is seeking to hurt this company, or plunder it for all it's worth, or find a way to attack the people that run it. We're just trying to make it a bit more functional, and a bit more fair." [06:35]
mircea_popescu win. [06:35]
mircea_popescu tl;dr : gawker is sinking, people desperate, fighting over carcass begun. [06:35]
mircea_popescu it had to happen, after all. [06:35]
felipelalli lol! they have a "accept of terms" when you create the account something like "please keep it anonymous". [06:36]
mircea_popescu everyone trying to foist the actual doing of their actual job on everyone else, it's a thing [06:37]
mircea_popescu called "welfare state" [06:37]
funkenstein_ Bingobongo, Xoas? [06:37]
funkenstein_ tl;dr : gawker is sinking, people desperate, fighting over carcass begun. <-- and so it begins [06:39]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: Greek, English alphabet Chaos [06:39]
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funkenstein_ thank you [06:39]
funkenstein_ re: mind the gap, i am moving out of fiat mordor in a few days [06:40]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: Historically the term means something very different than in 20th century English [06:41]
* BingoBoingo wonders how many USG stooges will be billed to read Heraclitus nao [06:42]
funkenstein_ "abyss, that which gapes wide open, is vast and empty," [06:42]
funkenstein_ the ocean of the undescriptable [06:43]
funkenstein_ nyarlathotep [06:43]
funkenstein_ mind the gap indeed eh? [06:43]
BingoBoingo Indeed [06:44]
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BingoBoingo Unaddressed movie consequences "Man of Steel" (2013), everyone has arthritis nao [06:46]
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punkman g'day asseteers [06:48]
funkenstein_ g'day punkman [06:49]
punkman http://i.imgur.com/YhKUqXu.png a day after the frenchies publish this... http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2013/08/16/des-seismes-sans-precedent-historique-sont-possibles-en-europe_3462489_3244.html [06:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yABZUY ) [06:52]
assbot Des séismes sans précédent historique sont possibles en Europe ... ( http://bit.ly/1yABZV2 ) [06:52]
punkman pretty good shake last night [06:52]
punkman maybe Χαος is feeling frisky [06:52]
BingoBoingo But yes, since the Feds showed up at my door I have done my best to be a complete dick who either controls hundreds of dollars of BTC or hundreds of thousands (maybe millions, I'm an ass like that) [06:53]
* funkenstein_ sends greetings to all at the b-a mtg in b-a, sends energy to ensure it will b-a success [06:53]
mircea_popescu lol [06:53]
mircea_popescu cool deal. [06:53]
mircea_popescu punkman what if crete goes to look for atlantida ? [06:54]
punkman argentina looks like a good place to be considering tectonics [06:54]
punkman or maybe australia [06:54]
BingoBoingo punkman: Techtonically atlantic coasts, generally much safer [06:55]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16168 << o.O [06:55]
assbot Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yACoGT ) [06:55]
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* BingoBoingo errs on the side of underestimating the worth of his meat to USG [07:00]
punkman mircea_popescu: last big one pushed western part of the island about 10 meters upwards. so more likely to rise than sink. [07:01]
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cazalla https://hashtalk.org/topic/36590/this-industry-makes-me-sick <<< lol http://dpaste.com/3ZK2ST8.txt [07:12]
assbot HashTalk - Ideas, Talk, and Hardware - Bitcoin & Scrypt Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAEEhr ) [07:12]
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punkman hah, win "Calling the employers of developers, that are giving their free time to paycoin, to get them fired? Calling and texting the parents of developers to tell them their child is part of scam?" [07:14]
mircea_popescu punkman the titanic rose before it sunk. [07:15]
mircea_popescu well... they ARE part of a scam. [07:15]
punkman and they aren't even getting paid... [07:16]
mircea_popescu typical idiocy, that. [07:16]
mircea_popescu gawker doing exactly the same posturing [07:16]
mircea_popescu "for the future". [07:16]
punkman cazalla, are there more pics? [07:16]
mircea_popescu the theory being that i am somehow obliged to BELIEVE their pretense, and pay them accordingly. which is why all teh anger when i go "orly, gawker ?" [07:17]
cazalla i can't imagine his wife is that upset, had what.. 3 kids and still has a rockin' body [07:17]
mircea_popescu cazalla yah, nothing to be ashamed of there. [07:17]
cazalla punkman, bitcointalk thread references some others but seems deleted or something [07:17]
mircea_popescu "Have I made mistakes? Yes. Have I owned them? Yes And am I still trying to " [07:17]
mircea_popescu lmao. [07:17]
mircea_popescu he should be on fetlife. [07:17]
fluffypony "What's more is they laugh about people loosing money." [07:18]
fluffypony loosing money? [07:18]
fluffypony the money! she is loose! [07:18]
mircea_popescu "my wife is loosin' money!" [07:18]
mircea_popescu garza, delousing money. since 2013 [07:18]
fluffypony lol [07:18]
mircea_popescu "your honor... this money was very lossy to begin with!" [07:19]
fluffypony "I should've used TIFF, but I chose JPEG" [07:21]
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BingoBoingo lol, unlike Garza to taint hundreds to thousands of BTC with my stink I required no scam [07:23]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: For the qntra can you get lots of pictures of groups of the pale devils at BTCAfrica? [07:23]
cazalla BingoBoingo, drinking? [07:23]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Yup [07:23]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: I will [07:23]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Cool [07:24]
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cazalla tempted to keep my beers until tmw night [07:24]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Big reveal was planned sober though. Many non-Wotty outfits handle too much money and could use some WoT stink anyways [07:24]
cazalla well your stash must tend towards the millions if this taint is widespread :P [07:28]
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BingoBoingo cazalla: You don't understand how fundamentally these services are broken. You can withdraw Bitcents from addresses with hundreds of BTC [07:29]
BingoBoingo !up mogreen How's your eye? [07:30]
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mogreen BingoBoingo: My eye? Why would you be asking about my eye? [07:32]
BingoBoingo mogreen: Haven't you seen the movie? [07:32]
mogreen BingoBoingo: nope [07:33]
BingoBoingo mogreen: Oh, if I'm talking through a time warp watch out for the massage table and the big wop with the flowerbox. [07:33]
mogreen BingoBoingo: noted, thx [07:34]
BingoBoingo So how's vegas? [07:35]
mogreen BingoBoingo: still in my future I guess [07:37]
mogreen BingoBoingo: I presently have no plans to visit vegas [07:37]
BingoBoingo I have no sensible explanation for your irc nick then mogreen [07:37]
mogreen BingoBoingo: even ppl who don't go to vegas need mo' green! [07:38]
BingoBoingo Oh, boring weed reference [07:39]
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funkenstein_ i thought you were talking about the candlestick charts usd/btc [07:42]
BingoBoingo Nah [07:44]
funkenstein_ namecoin has been quite volatile for a couple days [07:47]
funkenstein_ which is my clumsy segue for asking a question [07:47]
funkenstein_ what do you think about putting gpg fingerprint in namecoin database [07:47]
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funkenstein_ instead of e.t. "mit server" [07:47]
funkenstein_ *e.g. [07:47]
funkenstein_ or even full pubkey [07:48]
funkenstein_ in name value pair like "/k funkenstein"," " [07:49]
funkenstein_ or some such? [07:49]
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funkenstein_ seems like a good idea to me but nobody uses it as far as i can tell [07:54]
funkenstein_ http://wiki.namecoin.info/index.php?title=Identity#GPG [07:54]
assbot Identity - Namecoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Heo1t0 ) [07:54]
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funkenstein_ http://thedailywtf.com/articles/nothing-refreshes-like-lorem-ipsum [08:40]
assbot Nothing Refreshes like Lorem Ipsum - The Daily WTF ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPznn1 ) [08:40]
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mats good morning [10:13]
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mats Bloomberg down, finance workers shit themselves [10:37]
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ben_vulpes achtung pumperos! [11:01]
ben_vulpes to the showers and thence the lobby! [11:01]
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ben_vulpes y despues, desayuno? [11:02]
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mircea_popescu !up sosamendez [11:16]
-assbot- You voiced sosamendez for 30 minutes. [11:16]
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-assbot- You voiced DigitalDayTrader for 30 minutes. [11:16]
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sosamendez will there be any windows releases of the protocol from the bitcoin foundation? [11:17]
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sosamendez http://thebitcoin.foundation/ [11:18]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 ) [11:18]
sosamendez im talking about this one [11:18]
ben_vulpes no. [11:20]
mircea_popescu sosamendez you can compile it if you wish, and sign the copy [11:20]
ben_vulpes sosamendez: wincrud was explicitly stripped from the codebase. [11:21]
mircea_popescu whether anyone uses it or not i guess depends on how credible you seem to them [11:21]
mod6 hola amigos :] [11:21]
cazalla safety isn't guaranteed sosamendez [11:21]
ben_vulpes doing anything related to keys on a windows machine is baaaaad sosamendez [11:21]
ben_vulpes hola mod6 [11:22]
mircea_popescu come andan ? [11:22]
ben_vulpes i wish my spanish were good enough to pun on andan and adonde [11:23]
mircea_popescu lol [11:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, powernap time. [11:24]
ben_vulpes wait first why would i object to qntra gawker whatever [11:25]
ben_vulpes [09:26] and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater" << suppose i'll ask over afternoon coffees [11:26]
sosamendez mircea: how you enjoying argentina [11:30]
sosamendez compared to romania [11:30]
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davout ben_vulpes mod6 you ready? [12:24]
mod6 yeah! [12:29]
mod6 sorry was just messing with my openbsd wifi [12:29]
mod6 should I head down to the lobby? [12:29]
mod6 aight, im just gonna head down there. c-ya in a bit. [12:32]
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davout mod6: yep, heading down there now [12:33]
ben_vulpes vamanos! [12:37]
ben_vulpes vamanos! [12:37]
Chillum Fritzing is a great tool. I love how after building your circuit you can order $5 prototype boards [12:41]
Chillum hardware hacking is cool [12:43]
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Chillum I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing [12:59]
danielpbarron height=327079 vs height=224268 [13:13]
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mats jesus, Slack got a 160mn round at 2.8B valuation [13:58]
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davout ;;ticker --eur [14:34]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message) [14:34]
davout ;;ticker --currency eur [14:35]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [14:35]
davout ;;ticker --currency EUR [14:35]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [14:35]
davout ;;ticker --currency EUR [14:35]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [14:35]
davout ;;ticker --market bc [14:35]
gribble OKCoin BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.405279, Best ask: 222.456895, Bid-ask spread: 0.05162, Last trade: 222.456895, 24 hour volume: 109476.961, 24 hour low: 221.324569, 24 hour high: 230.426728, 24 hour vwap: None [14:35]
davout ;;ticker --currency EUR [14:36]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [14:36]
davout fuck you gribbleh [14:36]
adlai https://i.imgur.com/vpszC6u.png [14:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSy42T ) [14:40]
adlai https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/588983995519533056 [14:42]
assbot We are aware of the issues surrounding today's settlement. Thanks for your patience as we fix the problem. All funds are accounted for. [14:42]
adlai https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/589002676446171138 [14:46]
assbot Update: OKCoin will resume operations as usual later today. Trades made post 4pm Beijing time will be retracted. [14:47]
adlai hooray for playmoney [14:47]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.21280975 BTC. Current weight: 52,009. [15:01]
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trinque BingoBoingo: anyone figure out whether ascii was fucking around or if that was an actual impersonator? [16:13]
BingoBoingo No idea. Likely one or more impersonators. [16:14]
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BingoBoingo Spy vs. Accidental Spy [16:20]
kakobrekla fucking around would require leaving the bed [16:21]
kakobrekla thats not around. [16:23]
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mats http://www.phrack.com/papers/modern_objc_exploitation.html [16:34]
assbot .:: Phrack Magazine ::. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISXu6A ) [16:34]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/04/seized-bitcoin-atm-returned/ [16:40]
assbot Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1NQuJ ) [16:40]
trinque man phrack has a great header image [16:46]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell ben_vulpes but what if i wanna advertise my pgp version and its implied affiliations ? also, sorry for skipping your scoop mention in the cavirtex article, it just seemed a little tardy to have mentioned it. [17:32]
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pete_dushenski http://www.gocomics.com/theargylesweater/2015/04/14#mutable_1286568 << power rangers lulz [17:45]
assbot The Argyle Sweater Comic Strip, April 14, 2015 [17:45]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/17/mirceas-hierarchy-of-needs-a-letter/ [17:50]
assbot Mircea’s Hierarchy of Needs, a letter. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXdLzf ) [17:50]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103404 << that qntra commenter eh. lol so he doesn't understand things so i'm wrong "because reasons" and therefore other things and such. [17:52]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 09:50:11; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16168 << o.O [17:52]
cazalla that atm article BingoBoingo.. few weeks ago we got a comment bitching about my original article but it was on an article not even relevant, i assumed it was someone using a bot to just seo the guys name or something, (you can see it in the trash) [17:59]
BingoBoingo Interesting [18:00]
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cazalla ip is from thailand too, perhaps he hired someone to do pr for him (see all the typos?) seeing his name is linked everywhere with the arrest [18:04]
BingoBoingo Ah, k so PR spam [18:07]
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pete_dushenski "The high-tech spaces we walk through now are fit only for the smiling ghosts of computer visualizations, a purgatory of ‘aspirational but accessible’ restaurants and bars, ‘media-walls’ and ‘public art’ of unremitting dreariness. Where socialists and radicals could once read within the language of explicit engineering signs of redemption or change, the post High-Tech architecture in our cities has no suc [19:50]
pete_dushenski associations: it may not be historicist, like the postmodern architecture of the neo-liberal turn in the 1980s, but rather its anaesthetized formal language is a perfect complement to the hollowed out shell of social democracy." [19:50]
pete_dushenski heh, this murphy douglas fellow gets it. [19:50]
pete_dushenski designing and building cities around "ideas" and can only lead to unliveable insanity. [19:51]
pete_dushenski i should say "centralised ideas" are the point of contention [19:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174700 @ 0.00031322 = 54.7195 BTC [+] {4} [19:52]
pete_dushenski soviet-harvard delusions will lead to cold and disenchanting cities [19:52]
pete_dushenski as we see with canberra and new york, for example. [19:53]
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BingoBoingo !up asciilifeform [20:03]
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BingoBoingo !up Citizenfive [20:03]
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Citizenfive What's up fellas [20:07]
danielpbarron https://twitter.com/fnxtx/status/589201935598624770 [20:08]
assbot “Cody Wilson Wants to Destroy Your World” by /ajzaleski https://t.co/kUTv9jyJJA [20:08]
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danielpbarron ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ [20:10]
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BingoBoingo Citizenfive: Not too much. Are you the one who leaked the Drone chart at Rammstein to Greenwald? [20:13]
* BingoBoingo wonders if Citizen works like SPECTRE, sequantial numbering and all [20:14]
Citizenfive It's a possibility. Neither denial nor confirmation would accomplish much here. [20:18]
danielpbarron not without a gpg [20:19]
Citizenfive lol [20:21]
Citizenfive There's some important lessons in the DPR case about gpg's CAPS & LIMS in practice [20:21]
trinque Citizenfive: such as? [20:22]
Citizenfive Cryptographically tying writing to an identity — if only probabilistically, something sadly not often considered either — is a double-edged sword. [20:23]
BingoBoingo Well, the first is don't let the Fed's get your privates [20:24]
Citizenfive Most of the time, I'd prefer to leave open strong possibility that me today is not me tomorrow. But I'm not here to lecture on the merits and foibles of specific cryptosuites. I'll use what I need. :) [20:26]
trinque Citizenfive: when you have that you may lose assurance that you're speaking to whom you want [20:27]
trinque I see your point though [20:27]
trinque different problems, one's deniability and one's privacy [20:29]
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williamdunne Citizenfive: Lets be honest, the biggest issue was OpSec [20:32]
Citizenfive Yes. The above link from Twitter, if you think about it, is stonger evidence that I am at least the same persona as was using that account earlier today, than anything I could present you with GPG over these channels. And, presumably, if Twitter C5's personality does not change or claim "omg HAX!" in a few hours or days, you can be comfortable that [20:32]
Citizenfive whatever I write here was indeed *probably* the same persona. At this very second that is less certain than it will be, from a Bayesian perspective, as time goes on and Twitter C5 behaves normally. Make sense? [20:32]
Citizenfive It always is. (OPSEC) [20:33]
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trinque Citizenfive: insufficent data for meaningful response [20:33]
Citizenfive :) [20:34]
trinque *answer [20:34]
danielpbarron Citizenfive, until you're in the WoT, it doesn't really matter what else you do [20:34]
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Citizenfive Well what are we here to accomplish, gents? I'm not opposed to your WoT, but that's not why I'm here. [20:35]
danielpbarron I think MP wanted to talk to you, but he's busy with the conference probably [20:36]
danielpbarron in the meantime you could get a key registered [20:37]
Citizenfive Yeah. Seemed to have a specific reason, too. I don't expect I'm a regular conversation topic. [20:37]
williamdunne !s Citizenfive [20:38]
assbot 0 results for 'Citizenfive' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Citizenfive [20:38]
williamdunne Odd [20:38]
Citizenfive I'll reconsider joining your super-secret boy band. Maybe. Depends on MP. [20:42]
trinque !b 1 [20:42]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market buttstamp [20:46]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.6, Best ask: 223.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 222.63, 24 hour volume: 7974.94113398, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 228.29, 24 hour vwap: 223.914503409 [20:46]
williamdunne ;;ticker --market buttfinex [20:48]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.49, Best ask: 222.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 222.5, 24 hour volume: 27097.48973466, 24 hour low: 219.58, 24 hour high: 228.98, 24 hour vwap: None [20:48]
williamdunne Oh wow [20:48]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market ButtChina [20:53]
gribble BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.79656, Best ask: 222.856278, Bid-ask spread: 0.05972, Last trade: 222.854664, 24 hour volume: 191409.66390000, 24 hour low: 221.39238, 24 hour high: 229.402662, 24 hour vwap: 225.195343576 [20:53]
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BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg [20:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt3TB4 ) [20:58]
williamdunne In reality they only have one dog [21:03]
trinque lol, extra points for the stripper name [21:05]
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cazalla scoopbot dead? http://qntra.net/2015/04/theymos-complies-with-yet-another-subpoena/ [21:16]
assbot Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt6wmh ) [21:16]
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williamdunne Out of all the derp that goes on, on bitcointalk, that seems to be completely sane [21:18]
williamdunne Operated by someone in the US, its self-preservation on his part to comply [21:19]
williamdunne If you send messages in cleartext on a forum run in the US, I'm not sure what more can be expected [21:19]
williamdunne (That is not to say that the action is just, just should have been predicted) [21:19]
cazalla williamdunne, no doubt he's in a difficult situation but with the last one, he wasn't even going to mention anything and had to be convinced to provide additional information to the public if memory serves [21:24]
cazalla BingoBoingo wrote on it, might have a better recollection of events than i [21:25]
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trinque the idea that a forum is something which is hosted in one particular place instead of distributed among its members is absurd [21:26]
trinque fuck you, entire web [21:26]
williamdunne cazalla: If he didn't comply straight away, it would still end up with them threatening him personally. I would do exactly the same if I was in the US. Best not to mess with the guys with guns [21:26]
williamdunne Then again, I also wouldn't still be in the US [21:26]
williamdunne trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors [21:27]
williamdunne trinque: Has its place, even if not what we need [21:27]
trinque williamdunne: why for example does freenode need to be involved in this exchange I'm having with you now? [21:29]
trinque am I not able to get packets to you myself? [21:29]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: Plenty of things law enforcement can use to leverage Theymos, most prominently the GLBSE shennanigans [21:30]
williamdunne BingoBoingo: Indeed, that is my point [21:35]
williamdunne trinque: Convenience, everything on here is completely public anyway so no use in a subpoena. [21:35]
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trinque williamdunne: of course, I'm asking a more fundamental question about "why the hell still mostly centralized services using HTTP" [21:38]
trinque or in this case IRC [21:38]
trinque williamdunne: you've probably read over this http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ [21:39]
assbot [Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yDn5gN ) [21:39]
trinque I'm looking forward to it [21:39]
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williamdunne trinque: Sounds good, although how would that work with dynamic IPs? [21:42]
trinque williamdunne: good thread in the comments [21:42]
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williamdunne Read over the idea [21:56]
williamdunne Could many of the same goals not be achieved by just integrating GPG into IRC? [21:57]
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danielpbarron irc isn't written by a member of the WoT [22:01]
trinque williamdunne: what's the thought there, that the messages within the IRC protocol would be GPG messages? [22:02]
trinque you could probably make something that was sort of like the proposal by cramming all the traffic, both gossip and direct messages through pm [22:03]
trinque probably better to design the thing from the ground up eh? [22:04]
trinque williamdunne: tangentially related it was rather trivial to make point-to-point chat with gpg, awk and netcat [22:05]
williamdunne danielpbarron: What reason would that matter in particular? All our messages are public anyway. I doubt your OS was written exclusively by a member of the WoT (even if you did compile it yourself) [22:05]
trinque williamdunne: I think the idea is eventually to have a full stack within the WoT [22:05]
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williamdunne trinque: Maybe, if it works well then awesome. Will be a great thing. But seems like it could end up more hassle than it is worth [22:06]
trinque williamdunne: hassle to whom? [22:06]
williamdunne trinque: Each individual end-user, we'll exclude development efforts [22:06]
trinque it should be done at a certain point, not a katamari of features [22:07]
trinque if it passes messages between nodes as described, and does that perfectly, that's a fantastic place to stop, then build separate things which make use of that [22:07]
williamdunne trinque: maybe, I might just not be thinking creatively enough [22:09]
Citizenfive A properly-done "better IRC" would pretty much fix most objections I have with the current WoT, btw [22:10]
Citizenfive But use OTR [22:10]
trinque Citizenfive: read the spec? [22:10]
danielpbarron otr isn't in the WoT [22:10]
Citizenfive Just the RFC. The general spirit of it is sound. [22:11]
williamdunne Citizenfive: my familiarity with OTR is very slim, having only used it in conjunction with jabber. But what does it offer that GPG doesn't? [22:11]
danielpbarron it's more user friendlier [22:11]
trinque nah not the only thing there, as I understand it, it opts for deniability [22:12]
trinque as per earlier thread [22:12]
danielpbarron gossipd has similar feature [22:12]
trinque indeed [22:13]
Citizenfive https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/otr-wpes.pdf [22:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZOz5o ) [22:13]
trinque Citizenfive: thanks, I will read this [22:13]
danielpbarron !s ephemeral key [22:14]
assbot 14 results for 'ephemeral key' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ephemeral+key [22:14]
trinque Citizenfive: I don't think off-the-record is what's wanted here [22:14]
trinque well not first [22:15]
Citizenfive PGP & OTR are not mutually exclusive [22:15]
trinque mhm [22:15]
trinque take the example in the logs above, asciilifeform is using an alternate nick while traveling, and it appears someone decided to spoof as him [22:16]
williamdunne Citizenfive: They would effectively need to be mutually exclusive if deniability is what you're going for in any group chat setting would they not [22:16]
trinque well there's a distinction between saying "I am connected to the node I think I am" [22:16]
trinque and saying "this message I'm looking at was certainly authored by X" [22:16]
trinque I want the former without question [22:17]
trinque the latter is a feature one could use or not [22:17]
trinque depends on the situation [22:17]
Citizenfive Both are very good tools. At present, I see many solutions trying to fit the square peg of PGP into the gaping goatse of "maintaining OPSEC in an adverse environment of well-heeled adversaries". That is, it fits, but a large round peg, perhaps OTR, would allow less... spillage. [22:18]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103663 https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg <<< see quite a few of these here or similar style [22:18]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 23:53:29; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg [22:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt3TB4 ) [22:18]
trinque Citizenfive: it appears one of the goals of the gossipd network is for the topology of the network to be the topology of the WoT [22:19]
cazalla oops, i meant this http://www.jennytalia.com/wp-content/uploads/Family-Car-Stickers7.jpg [22:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZPin7 ) [22:19]
Citizenfive The visual breaks down, but I'm amenable to a solution that uses both pegs in some way. [22:19]
danielpbarron must be in WoT -- until then, generate your own temporary keys for "off the record" communication [22:20]
trinque danielpbarron: there is a place for non-WoT authenticated communication [22:20]
Citizenfive fuck's sake, the WoT is fine, lol; it too is a tool [22:20]
trinque take the namesake of this nick ^ [22:21]
Citizenfive like a damn broken record >.< [22:21]
Citizenfive Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it. [22:22]
trinque Citizenfive: define properly [22:22]
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trinque !up Citizenfive [22:22]
* assbot gives voice to Citizenfive [22:22]
danielpbarron the users who do know how to use it "properly" are the only users worth dealing with [22:23]
trinque yes yes, WoT is good, let her speak [22:23]
Citizenfive MP appears to know how, in his description of how to use it he explains what it is and isn't [22:23]
trinque Citizenfive: I'm asking for my own information, not as part of an implicit debate [22:23]
Citizenfive Without searching, if he tells me [user X] also uses it properly, I would probably trust that. All subject to the extent that I trust MP's intentions and motivations, which is sorta the point of a WoT [22:25]
trinque probably referring to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ which I've read [22:25]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18l11un ) [22:25]
trinque was just asking your interpretation [22:25]
trinque anyhow yes, a tool [22:25]
Citizenfive trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ [22:25]
Citizenfive I have no objection to ^ [22:26]
danielpbarron what's the objection then? that not enough net effect yet? [22:27]
trinque danielpbarron: say, oh I don't know, I'm deep within the NSA... and I want to leak some documents [22:28]
trinque lol [22:28]
trinque why in hell would I communicate with you using something that requires I create a (for all reasonable measures) permanent identity [22:29]
danielpbarron the identity doesn't have to be tied to a slave name [22:29]
trinque true enough, and one might want to know later he's dealing with the same citizenfour as last time [22:30]
Citizenfive I guess that, and more critically, amoung its users, I see too much overreliance on it (which is to say, people who don't fully grip the CAPS&LIMS of it as a tool) [22:30]
trinque however in the process of doing said leaking, and especially in the process of *establishing* trust one may want deniable messaging [22:30]
trinque gossipd as I understand it readily supports that [22:31]
trinque *will support [22:31]
trinque you connect to some node that's the all-welcoming orifice and it forwards it on [22:31]
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trinque and the chain of connections from that point onward is known [22:31]
Citizenfive But we'll get there. That's the difficulty with anything. The WoT automates some rep stuff, but doesn't automate KNOWING what really is and isn't automated, or something like that [22:31]
Citizenfive I'm not prepared to type enough to really explain my thinking at the moment [22:32]
danielpbarron the WoT isn't automated [22:32]
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* trinque dives back into meatspace work [22:33]
Citizenfive It automates collecting and remembering-correctly certain things. These actions were previously done in one's own head, usually with less fidelity and in ways that required more effort or energy or whatever. Idk, I call it automation, but it doesn't really matter. [22:37]
Citizenfive https://xkcd.com/1322/ [22:37]
assbot xkcd: Winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQmw6M ) [22:37]
Citizenfive The above is Feynman's favorite XKCD, and whoever can tell me why becomes my favorite asseteer [22:38]
trinque Citizenfive: reminds me a bit of the vid where he discusses magnetism [22:39]
trinque nvm this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-zWTU7X-k [22:41]
assbot Feynman: Knowing versus Understanding - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQnDDJ ) [22:41]
trinque the magnetism one came to mind because he goes from a superficial understanding of the thing to a deeper and deeper description, ultimately saying "we have no idea" [22:42]
trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8 << must've been the idiots guide to the concept [22:42]
assbot Richard Feynman Magnets - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQnRKY ) [22:42]
mircea_popescu ahh [22:45]
mircea_popescu hello chan! [22:45]
trinque mircea_popescu: good evening [22:45]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Good morning [22:45]
mircea_popescu good gooding. [22:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103531 << heh that it is. [22:49]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 15:38:26; Chillum: hardware hacking is cool [22:49]
mircea_popescu "Slack brings all your communication together in one place. It's real-time messaging, archiving and search for modern teams." [22:50]
mircea_popescu hey, sounds like 3bn. [22:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103568 << the official word is that the behaviour couldnb't be reproduced (ben tried amongothers) and prolly alf did some strange locally. [22:51]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 19:09:10; BingoBoingo: No idea. Likely one or more impersonators. [22:51]
Citizenfive Trinique wins, with bonus points. I usually use the bit about knowing the name of a bird. [22:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103574 << you could do that thing where you peel your thing and just trace around her inner labia until you blow. [22:52]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 19:18:32; kakobrekla: thats not around. [22:52]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103608 << not bad. [22:54]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 22:45:24; pete_dushenski: heh, this murphy douglas fellow gets it. [22:54]
mircea_popescu !up Citizenfive [22:54]
-assbot- You voiced Citizenfive for 30 minutes. [22:54]
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mircea_popescu hey, you're the twitter chick ? [22:55]
mircea_popescu definitely reads like her [22:57]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Citizenfive 1 actual women actually in tech. [22:57]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [22:57]
mircea_popescu heh [22:57]
mircea_popescu !rate Citizenfive 1 actual women actually in tech. [22:57]
assbot Citizenfive is not registered in WoT. [22:57]
mircea_popescu !h [22:58]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [22:58]
mircea_popescu Citizenfive ^ [22:58]
Citizenfive For politeness and the convenience of the asseteers, I will register if I stick around. [22:58]
mircea_popescu aite. [22:58]
Citizenfive Apologies for now. [22:58]
williamdunne Citizenfive: Mircea just offered you a rating, and a compliment to go with it. [22:59]
mircea_popescu tsk, let ppls go at their own pace. [22:59]
williamdunne Citizenfive: Any backstory to the 'twitter' association? [22:59]
mircea_popescu digital is too firehose-y as it is. [22:59]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: I was just pointing out that its quite rare, they can go at their own pace;) [22:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103648 << actually, nothing specific. intel went "hey, here's one that's not stupid". doesn't happen that often. [23:00]
assbot Logged on 17-04-2015 23:32:14; Citizenfive: Yeah. Seemed to have a specific reason, too. I don't expect I'm a regular conversation topic. [23:00]
Citizenfive I will consider it the compliment that it is, in this "country", and am grateful for it. [23:00]
mircea_popescu i thought it was a cult [23:01]
Citizenfive williamdunne: Association? [23:01]
williamdunne I thought it was a sovereign? [23:01]
mircea_popescu who isn't these days. [23:01]
mircea_popescu heck, portland levies "art taxes" nao. [23:01]
williamdunne Citizenfive: "you're the twitter chick ?" - I'm assuming this was addressed at you [23:02]
Citizenfive The US is a cult. Most countries are. :) [23:02]
mircea_popescu in other news, these guys actually beat the puerto madero dock. incredible walkers. [23:03]
mircea_popescu we actually ran out of dock, five miles later. [23:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00031685 = 6.3687 BTC [+] [23:03]
Citizenfive Yes. → https://twitter.com/fnxTX is me. Or so I have claimed, earlier in the thread. [23:03]
assbot JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQsTHp ) [23:03]
Citizenfive (thread → channel) [23:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103677 << it's entirely a legalistic gimmick. somehow court manages to convince itself it's too good to just go read the forum, must order someone to copy it down for it. sorta like ottoman turks. [23:05]
assbot Logged on 18-04-2015 00:21:09; trinque: fuck you, entire web [23:05]
williamdunne Citizenfive: So how was it that you found #b-a? [23:06]
mircea_popescu cuz dpb invited her over i'd bet. [23:06]
trinque mircea_popescu: must order someone to copy it down for it << in 3 ring binders with those fancy tab-stickers [23:07]
Citizenfive williamdunne: I've known of it and lurked periodically over the years. This marks the second time MP has personally invited me, and it'd be rude to not see why, at the least. [23:08]
Citizenfive The question is why the second time; my guess is via this thread → https://twitter.com/AlekseiV/status/586780660553031680 [23:08]
assbot this is awful http://t.co/R8WBYWGxof [23:08]
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Citizenfive Which means MP, no longer on Twitter, still watches it (or someone noticed) [23:09]
Citizenfive Which is smart [23:09]
mircea_popescu Citizenfive oh is it ? which was the 1st ? [23:10]
Citizenfive Back when you were still on Twitter, several moons ago [23:10]
mircea_popescu fancy that. [23:10]
williamdunne Citizenfive: Welcome anyhow [23:11]
Citizenfive Grazie [23:12]
Citizenfive mircea_popescu: small world. Extremely so, though I guess bell curves and the size of the developed physical world explain most of it. [23:21]
Citizenfive six degrees is more like two [23:21]
mircea_popescu this is concerning, because it has two possible explanations. one being that my intel sucks, the other being that the us is running out of people. [23:22]
mircea_popescu i can specifically measure the former. [23:22]
mircea_popescu as oft said here, the situation is so soviet it bleeds. [23:22]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: People as if in people worth listening to, or people as if in humans? [23:23]
mircea_popescu well neither exactly. people as in people capable to listen to themselves. [23:24]
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Citizenfive I believe there are few good English-speaking minds; those countries do too thorough a job of taking children with potential and delivering batteries (as in, the Matrix sort) into adulthood. There are few Ender Wiggin minds left by the age of 18. [23:35]
Citizenfive It's not a grand conspiracy of course; there are no reptilian overlords, but the state of things is curiously perplexing. [23:36]
mircea_popescu ;;google ender wiggin [23:36]
gribble Ender Wiggin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Andrew Wiggin - Orson Scott Card Wiki: ; How Much Is Ender Wiggin Worth? - Forbes: [23:36]
mircea_popescu dude just how influential WAs that book. [23:36]
Citizenfive Anyway I might as well register a key so you can quit voicing me manually. [23:36]
Citizenfive Not influential enough. But then everyone thinks Hunger Games is omg so relevant! [23:37]
Citizenfive Authors and sci-fi folks have been screaming this shit for years [23:37]
williamdunne Citizenfive: I'm probably one of the younger people here, and from my experience the biggest complaints are that any sort of discourse from rhetoric is largely discouraged, and you are given almost no freedom as to move outside the syllabus. [23:38]
Citizenfive Those who notice the re-runs and recycled plots eventually wind up here, and a few other places where such minds go [23:39]
williamdunne Citizenfive: IIRC the hunger-games author though more democracy was the answer [23:39]
mircea_popescu like ? [23:39]
Citizenfive Because the internet lets all minds who question these things find these places, QED (probably) there are fewer minds than we'd like [23:39]
mircea_popescu williamdunne well, obviously it is the answer, just, not to any question worth asking. [23:39]
mircea_popescu "Over drinks last night, one of the beautiful young ladies in attendance brought up the question of ‘free will’ with me. " << eh petey... [23:40]
mircea_popescu this guy is like forever young. [23:40]
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Citizenfive DEMOCRACY isn't actually a thing. Not in a meaningful sense. Hence every country is a democracy. A well-architected democratic republic has some neat features, for example. But democracy is kinda like an adjective. [23:41]
mircea_popescu eh, democracy is a thing, even if derpy iliterate muricans never bother to learn what the words mean. it's not gonna change what it is just because a bunch of people have nfi. [23:42]
Citizenfive It is useful in describing something. Like the word modern. Modern car. Modern house. Modern, by itself, may or may not be useful. Modern art? [23:42]
mircea_popescu we could say that the meaning of democracy is fundamentally undemocratic. [23:43]
williamdunne Citizenfive: I completely agree; but I will assume they were going with the definition of diluting power to all, something along the lines of direct democracy [23:43]
mircea_popescu modern art is quite meaningful, yes. ever read the "what is art" thing ? [23:43]
Citizenfive williamdunne: See! DIRECT democracy. Also an actual thing, and a meaningful phrase. "Democracy" in REAL english just means "good" or something. [23:44]
mircea_popescu "real" english just means democratic english, which is not english. [23:44]
Citizenfive lol [23:44]
mircea_popescu english is THE KING'S english. [23:44]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in orc speak, everything means the same and is spelled "urgh" [23:45]
Citizenfive anyway I don't want to get lost into semantics; I think most here understand whatever system of governance the US has, it manages to masquerade as a democracy, and isn't a good system. Whatever that says about the word is less important to me. [23:45]
mircea_popescu well you're right in that it would try and to thew same degree succeed to masquerade as anything else, including a teosophy. [23:46]
mircea_popescu any play's equally successful if played out for the goats. [23:46]
williamdunne Citizenfive: Any system that provides people with the ability to voice and attempt to enact opinions they are not qualified to have is a bad idea in my books. The crowd has no wisdom, select actors with value behind them do. [23:47]
mircea_popescu which value you can only evaluate in a system that's actually open to idiots. [23:48]
Citizenfive Right. And so long as people accept that God wrote the Bible because the Bible says so, or a democracy is good because a "democracy" says so, will miss questioning what any of those things ARE. [23:48]
mircea_popescu what do you mean ARE. [23:48]
Citizenfive literally or as a joke ref to Bill Clinton re: "IS" [23:48]
mircea_popescu merely the fact that this question can be asked would seem to pull the rug from under yer feet eh. [23:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103704 << definitely. [23:50]
assbot Logged on 18-04-2015 01:00:47; trinque: williamdunne: I think the idea is eventually to have a full stack within the WoT [23:50]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: My particular complaint is that while we can evaluate who has more value in this particular system, the people with value's opinions have no more weight in process than those without. Hence a large number of welfare whores/elderly having a lot of influence [23:50]
mircea_popescu williamdunne anyway, to do some positive work : democracy is the notion that what people think matters. the exact opposite of alf's favourite, "the cold equations" (which'd describe a republic). [23:51]
mircea_popescu there's really no alternative : either one or the other. republics fail because not enough spartans, democracies are all one because idiots are all one. cccp was a democracy too. [23:51]
mircea_popescu (literally) [23:51]
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Citizenfive What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. And as a word, democracy seems to have too many contradictory definitions to be especially useful as a descriptor. If US = democracy, well, that's not good. If Switzerland = democracy, that's a bit better, though the consensus is that beast is a "DIRECT democracy". [23:52]
williamdunne Would lack of governance not be the alternative? (or self-governance if that wording floats your boat). [23:53]
mircea_popescu Citizenfive can you distinguish between the "words don't matter" position and (mutatis mutandins), the "BUT it is called the “Worldwide Web” so there really is NO chance of any site being 100% secure" ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu williamdunne suppose you have a five year old kid on your knees and she asks what happens if there's nothing in a box. "well... there'd be air" "no, not even air" [23:54]
mircea_popescu "so then a vacuum" "no, not even vacuum" [23:54]
trinque Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit [23:54]
mircea_popescu nigga... say wut ?! what "lack of governance" wonder be this, of the box so empty it doesn't even contain a vacuum ? [23:54]
Citizenfive The trick is how to discuss democracy, then, when everyone has their own idea of what it means. Or any topic. I've found most arguments can be traced to the arguers somewhere having slightly different internal definitions for something. [23:54]
mircea_popescu trinque same. [23:54]
mircea_popescu Citizenfive the next trick to find is that you can get people quite bothered by carefully using their contributions to words. [23:55]
mircea_popescu also known as "the shit between their eyes" [23:55]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Well, depends how we want to define governance [23:55]
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mircea_popescu is it up to us ? [23:55]
mircea_popescu yes, governance by us is best governance. agreed. [23:55]
mircea_popescu now convince her. [23:55]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103712 << why would you wish to be anonymous ? other than "because i've already lost the war". [23:56]
assbot Logged on 18-04-2015 01:05:03; Citizenfive: But use OTR [23:56]
mircea_popescu if you've already lost the war, why are you derping with axes and shit. [23:56]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: I wonder what was said internally at the SEC about your offer to govern the world of BTC assets? [23:58]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103751 << by this token, one should not have sex. [23:58]
assbot Logged on 18-04-2015 01:17:25; Citizenfive: Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it. [23:58]
mircea_popescu !up Citizenfive [23:58]
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Citizenfive Basically, all can be sorted out via Socratic roundtables — everyone looking to, fundamentally, prove themselves WRONG, rather than to prove themselves RIGHT. Eventually the people at the table find and exorcise their internal inconsistencies, and arrive together at Reality. [23:59]
mircea_popescu what are you, 19 ? [23:59]
Citizenfive Do you believe in an objective reality, or is it subjective? [23:59]
mircea_popescu this is a rehash of "socialism will come once people are generous", which was a rehash of "christ will come once people are good". [23:59]
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