Forum logs for 17 Apr 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
jayk | gpg: sending key 84D27F50 to hkp server pgp.mit.edu | [00:00] |
jayk | i assume it sent | [00:01] |
williamdunne | Yep | [00:01] |
williamdunne | Now try registering again | [00:01] |
jayk | !register 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50 | [00:01] |
assbot | Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 7AA64CBF8362275B2189869784A13BE284D27F50. This may take a few moments. | [00:01] |
assbot | Key 84D27F50 / "Jeremy Koski (If I'm Not Me I'd Sure Like To Know Who The Hell Is!) |
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assbot | Registration successful. | [00:01] |
jayk | ther eit is | [00:01] |
williamdunne | There you go | [00:02] |
jayk | just took a second to register | [00:02] |
williamdunne | !rate jayk even newer than me | [00:02] |
assbot | Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. | [00:02] |
williamdunne | !rate jayk 1 even newer than me | [00:02] |
assbot | Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/cf3e1da515cea976 | [00:02] |
williamdunne | !verify assbot:williamdunne.rate.jayk.1:89527ac5ebf31f019663f101eb67aeec89f9bebd1522e94b3b900904aa7a940e | [00:02] |
assbot | Successfully added a rating of 1 for jayk with note: even newer than me | [00:02] |
williamdunne | !gettrust williamdunne jayk | [00:03] |
assbot | Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user jayk: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/williamdunne/jayk | http://w.b-a.link/user/jayk | [00:03] |
williamdunne | There you go | [00:03] |
jayk | cool | [00:04] |
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williamdunne | As you interact with people and do trades/jobs your reputation will increase | [00:05] |
williamdunne | Your reputation in the WoT here is essentially your entire value | [00:05] |
williamdunne | Treat it like you would your dearest posession; do not lend it to those you cannot trust. Protect it and attempt to earn more of it | [00:06] |
* | assbot removes voice from jayk | [00:09] |
* | assbot removes voice from DreadKnight | [00:10] |
danielpbarron | !up jayk | [00:10] |
* | assbot gives voice to jayk | [00:10] |
jayk | k | [00:11] |
williamdunne | jayk: Anyhow, what made you come back after these years? | [00:11] |
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jayk | i was wondering if it was still around | [00:14] |
williamdunne | jayk: Yes, it has survived in a space where most have died | [00:15] |
jayk | yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months | [00:16] |
* | Cory (~Cory@unaffiliated/cory) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [00:17] |
williamdunne | jayk: Hard industry. Year is a long time here. I'm probably not the best person to introduce you though as I am new myself | [00:18] |
williamdunne | !up Cory | [00:18] |
* | assbot gives voice to Cory | [00:18] |
* | daniel_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [00:27] |
* | assbot removes voice from jayk | [00:40] |
* | assbot removes voice from Cory | [00:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7283 @ 0.00030669 = 2.2336 BTC [-] {2} | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | !up jayk | [01:26] |
-assbot- | You voiced jayk for 30 minutes. | [01:26] |
* | assbot gives voice to jayk | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | dude, as soon as ben_vulpes split party died | [01:26] |
BingoBoingo | Really? | [01:27] |
* | Lycerion has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | myeah | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne how do you mean ? it's only defined as #mask_head_ie{ position:relative; for ie, are you on ie and they changed how they break css meanwhile ? | [01:32] |
williamdunne | I'm getting it on firefox, I'll try testing it again | [01:33] |
williamdunne | Interesting, can't replicate the issue | [01:34] |
* | mircea_popescu hasn't changed anything | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | maybe you got a bad (partial) page load ? | [01:34] |
williamdunne | Yeah I have no clue what happened there | [01:35] |
williamdunne | Possible | [01:35] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: how do you get home so quickly/! | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [01:35] |
ben_vulpes | i might not be able to hail a cab, but i can goose partybutt into action | [01:35] |
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ben_vulpes | now its time to audit bills | [01:36] |
ben_vulpes | SMALLBIZLYFE | [01:36] |
BingoBoingo | williamdunne: I haven't been able to reproduce on my version of FireFox | [01:36] |
ben_vulpes | just call it derpcorp | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102783 << you don;'t understand how braindamage works. | [01:37] |
assbot | Logged on 16-04-2015 20:48:37; williamdunne: Which derp is responsible for marketing at Quadriga CX, and why are they wasting money advertising their Canadian exchange to someone in the UK. | [01:37] |
mircea_popescu | but maybe they buy a nascar stadium. it'll be good for bitcoin (fm) | [01:37] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: And I hope I never do | [01:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00030775 = 2.0619 BTC [+] | [01:37] |
williamdunne | BingoBoingo: Yeah, seems issue was my side because even I can't replicate it now | [01:37] |
BingoBoingo | williamdunne: The Trilema CSS has been by MP's declaration constant for years nao. Maybe your Firecox updated to solve the regression? | [01:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2015#1102807 << no wai ?! | [01:39] |
assbot | Logged on 16-04-2015 23:17:05; ascii_c3: because it wasn't me... | [01:39] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: i thought you were aware of this! | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | was not no. | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | i saw teh mitm parts | [01:39] |
ben_vulpes | next time i will be more explicit | [01:39] |
BingoBoingo | !s disney | [01:40] |
assbot | 92 results for 'disney' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=disney | [01:40] |
ben_vulpes | but directly related to box relocation desire | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102836 << it is, actually, but we see. | [01:41] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 01:04:33; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Is that being worked on? | [01:41] |
williamdunne | Impressive how much is being worked on | [01:41] |
williamdunne | !s s.limbs | [01:41] |
assbot | 20 results for 's.limbs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.limbs | [01:41] |
BingoBoingo | http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/#comment-113674 | [01:43] |
assbot | Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUH7hG ) | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102867 < i lolt. | [01:43] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 02:26:29; sickboy: I trade swaps at finex and arb futures on icbit and okcoin and make options markets on 796 | [01:43] |
williamdunne | !s S.MNKY | [01:44] |
assbot | 9 results for 'S.MNKY' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=S.MNKY | [01:44] |
* | BingoBoingo likes how itBet with FDIC on board only changed one letter from icBit bukkit shop | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | http://33.media.tumblr.com/317fd7759acf3b4b1cb9eea0784c6574/tumblr_nd091mK7En1tlpc32o1_400.gif just for jayk. | [01:46] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1CUHGrS ) | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | it's called mining. | [01:46] |
ben_vulpes | dude mircea_popescu i just overflowed the calculator on this pnhoe | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | lol ? | [01:47] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: for brown gold? | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne i think they call them buttcoins | [01:47] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: 10/10 you beat me fair and square | [01:48] |
BingoBoingo | ;;google they really are buttcoins nao | [01:48] |
gribble | They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: |
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BingoBoingo | ^ williamdunne | [01:48] |
williamdunne | BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu.. is.. is that your hairy asscrack on my screen? | [01:51] |
BingoBoingo | williamdunne: The world may never know | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | what ?! | [01:52] |
BingoBoingo | williamdunne: The big question is the spots on the mirror. Jizz or toothpaste. | [01:52] |
williamdunne | Oh hang on, its not. Its a talker just re-read the mpoe-pr | [01:52] |
* | ascii_on_tour (~asciilife@190.192.28.160) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [01:52] |
BingoBoingo | !up ascii_on_tour | [01:52] |
* | assbot gives voice to ascii_on_tour | [01:52] |
BingoBoingo | Hello Mr. unreliabru narrator | [01:52] |
williamdunne | BingoBoingo: Yeah thats pretty gross | [01:52] |
ascii_on_tour | danke BingoBoingo | [01:52] |
ben_vulpes | gasp | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne some dude called himself klye iirc. | [01:52] |
ben_vulpes | it is the verboten handle! | [01:53] |
ascii_on_tour | mega-expedition here | [01:53] |
* | ascii_on_tour is now known as ascii_orc | [01:53] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Gotta appreciate the dedication | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1102971 << s.mpoe is down what, 50% ? | [01:53] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 03:11:16; jayk: yeah ive noticed lots of company have taken a hit over the last 12 months | [01:53] |
ben_vulpes | ascii_orc: did you reabsorb all the water you lost today? | [01:53] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Earlier than klye, for the buttcointalk thread up "Jordan" | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo o ? i thought it was him. | [01:53] |
ben_vulpes | ascii_orc: aha now that's clever | [01:54] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Klye also made Buttcoin but later and for far less | [01:54] |
BingoBoingo | The Jordan dude was a one and done | [01:54] |
* | ascii_orc is now known as ascii_on_tour | [01:55] |
ascii_on_tour | false alarm | [01:55] |
ascii_on_tour | bad config on this piece of jetsam | [01:55] |
ascii_on_tour | overdue for scrapyard | [01:55] |
ben_vulpes | apocrypha | [01:55] |
ascii_on_tour | naturally | [01:55] |
BingoBoingo | ascii_on_tour: Anyone local check to make sure you aren't imposter in latex mask? | [01:55] |
ascii_on_tour | though good live fire test for the whole concept | [01:56] |
ascii_on_tour | what said unsigned - apocrypha always | [01:56] |
ben_vulpes | ya well talk to me when you find your keys again | [01:56] |
ben_vulpes | IMPOSTOR | [01:56] |
ascii_on_tour | ergo if i give the launch codes now - take a minute to think | [01:56] |
ascii_on_tour | before launching. | [01:56] |
* | assbot removes voice from jayk | [01:56] |
ascii_on_tour | said the shannonizer. | [01:57] |
BingoBoingo | Attack plan R? | [01:57] |
BingoBoingo | OPE? | [01:58] |
ascii_on_tour | variant xy | [01:58] |
BingoBoingo | CRM-114? | [01:58] |
ben_vulpes | green team you are not cleared for operation tango in my butt | [01:58] |
* | DreadKnight has quit (Quit: #AncientBeast - Master Your Beasts ( www.AncientBeast.com )) | [01:58] |
BingoBoingo | Paging Herr Doktor Merkwürdigliebe | [01:59] |
* | ascii_on_tour is finding mars unexpectedly wet | [01:59] |
ben_vulpes | ah it can't go on for very long | [01:59] |
ben_vulpes | clouds don't really have a lot of water in them | [01:59] |
ascii_on_tour | l0l | [02:00] |
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ascii_on_tour | ben_vulpes: i did figure out how to work the cabs | [02:01] |
ascii_on_tour | have to catch it - physically. | [02:01] |
ben_vulpes | some orc | [02:01] |
ascii_on_tour | like animal | [02:02] |
ben_vulpes | i was planning to actually jump in front of the next one too, aha | [02:02] |
ascii_on_tour | this is probably sop per local orcraft | [02:02] |
ben_vulpes | brainorcage | [02:02] |
ascii_on_tour | no i just grabbed hold of the door handle when it went | [02:02] |
ben_vulpes | haha | [02:02] |
ascii_on_tour | opened. | [02:02] |
ben_vulpes | "oh, door is open? guess should stahp" | [02:02] |
BingoBoingo | Such informative research | [02:02] |
ben_vulpes | my cabbie: "hay mucho lluvia!" | [02:03] |
ascii_on_tour | fella inside had a picture he studied at every light; 'wanted' photo of a car | [02:03] |
BingoBoingo | Is "black car" a mode of transport in hardware #b-a? | [02:03] |
ascii_on_tour | several angles of photo plus license plate | [02:03] |
ben_vulpes | me: (no shit, idiot) "si, si. hotel redacto, por favor?" | [02:03] |
ascii_on_tour | BingoBoingo: black car ? | [02:03] |
BingoBoingo | ascii_on_tour: Like taxi, but only on hire in advance basis | [02:04] |
ascii_on_tour | BingoBoingo: limousine ? | [02:04] |
ascii_on_tour | no idea. | [02:04] |
BingoBoingo | ascii_on_tour: Limousine or similar premise, but shorter | [02:04] |
ascii_on_tour | i only even took cab because happily waltzed into opposite compass direction from what was given | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo ah i seem to vaguely reclal this | [02:04] |
ascii_on_tour | because thought was walking on moebius strip or the like. | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | [02:05] | |
ascii_on_tour | 'burned on hot - will blow on cold' (™) (R) | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | [02:05] | |
ascii_on_tour | 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (tm) | [02:06] |
ascii_on_tour | yes. | [02:06] |
ascii_on_tour | btw mitm is real | [02:06] |
ascii_on_tour | still there as far as i can tell. | [02:06] |
ascii_on_tour | ssh over whatever port. | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | im sure it's for your own safetit. | [02:06] |
ascii_on_tour | l0lziez | [02:07] |
* | liquidassets (4b6f1ccf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.111.28.207) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | !up liquidassets | [02:08] |
-assbot- | You voiced liquidassets for 30 minutes. | [02:08] |
* | assbot gives voice to liquidassets | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_on_tour so what is this zblatnik thing then ? | [02:08] |
liquidassets | thanks mp you're the man | [02:09] |
ascii_on_tour | wut | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno, it's in the email you sent me ? | [02:09] |
ascii_on_tour | wut?? | [02:09] |
ascii_on_tour | sent? | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | you didn't send me an email just now ? | [02:09] |
ascii_on_tour | no! | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | o wow. it must be that i'm fucking with you then :D | [02:09] |
* | ascii_on_tour suspected | [02:09] |
ascii_on_tour | because 'z' | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | liquidassets who're you ? | [02:09] |
ascii_on_tour | what are we now, czechs? | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_on_tour sound zlegit. | [02:10] |
ascii_on_tour | zaha | [02:10] |
ascii_on_tour | zsure. | [02:10] |
ben_vulpes | zamassl | [02:10] |
liquidassets | not even my real nick, if I had one, been reading logs for awhile now, been here a few times before | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [02:10] |
liquidassets | can't get the hang of gpg...more reading | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | "this is not even my REAL pseudonym" | [02:10] |
ben_vulpes | liquidassets: wtf is a real nick? | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | toolate.gif | [02:10] |
ascii_on_tour | 'was shakespeare written by shakespeare, or other man of that name' (™) (R) | [02:11] |
BingoBoingo | liquidassets: GPG can be leanred with concentration. | [02:11] |
liquidassets | the one I originally wanted to use before I lost my password, or stopped working, or got ddosed... | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_on_tour believe it or not academic careers arew built on this | [02:11] |
ben_vulpes | next up: mircea_popescu firsting | [02:11] |
liquidassets | on and on... | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | like they are on every other meaningless (and so thereforee unverifiable) distinction | [02:11] |
* | ascii_on_tour knew, even knew of the gzip paper | [02:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00030608 = 2.9996 BTC [-] {2} | [02:12] |
ascii_on_tour | (the one where gzip is demonstrated as mega-authorship-authenticator instrument) | [02:12] |
ascii_on_tour | https://2012patriot.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/weimar-burning-money_2.jpg?w=450 << mega-l0l because, | [02:13] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1CULNUS ) | [02:13] |
ascii_on_tour | we had this stove. | [02:13] |
* | BingoBoingo wonders if MPEx would be interested in Onion futures if I manage to escape wire, simply because US demands Onions not have futures | [02:13] |
ascii_on_tour | mega-chick also, in the photo | [02:13] |
ben_vulpes | mega what how? | [02:14] |
ascii_on_tour | ben_vulpes: 'money oven' photo, linked | [02:14] |
ben_vulpes | oh i understand but in what way mega babe? | [02:14] |
ascii_on_tour | in painting by imagination. | [02:15] |
BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/chrissanders88/status/588783110956785664 | [02:16] |
ascii_on_tour | http://33.media.tumblr.com/317fd7759acf3b4b1cb9eea0784c6574/tumblr_nd091mK7En1tlpc32o1_400.gif << fucksaw (TM) | [02:16] |
assbot | OH: “If you are the crazy shotgun guy and people want to test you then you just arent crazy enough." | [02:16] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2L3nV ) | [02:16] |
ascii_on_tour | !s fucksaw | [02:16] |
assbot | 0 results for 'fucksaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fucksaw | [02:16] |
ben_vulpes | ascii_on_tour: how explain IP? | [02:17] |
ben_vulpes | also how explain no results for fucksaw | [02:17] |
ascii_on_tour | connected to access point across the street | [02:17] |
ascii_on_tour | 'linksys; | [02:17] |
ascii_on_tour | try yourself | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_on_tour everyone had that stove. | [02:18] |
ascii_on_tour | mircea_popescu: ever orc north of equator | [02:18] |
ascii_on_tour | *every | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | no, this is a vienna thing. | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | hence the "vienese smokes" specification for them | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | viense smoke = best smoke. | [02:18] |
liquidassets | can anyone tell me if this VPN is something I don't want to use? I found this green gorilla thing next to the freenode login from #b-a's main page. Thought it was the cloak I was looking for. Don't believe it is as it's made logging into Thunderbird and Craigslist impossible without turning it off | [02:18] |
ascii_on_tour | wut | [02:18] |
BingoBoingo | https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32v8ko/new_york_update_former_nyse_ceo_to_teraexchange/cqf6xnh | [02:19] |
assbot | ButterNubber comments on New York Update: Former NYSE CEO to TeraExchange Former FDIC Chair to itBit ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2LsXH ) | [02:19] |
ascii_on_tour | liquidassets: run moar winblows | [02:19] |
mircea_popescu | "all of our servers are busy right now | [02:19] |
mircea_popescu | please try again in a minute" | [02:19] |
mircea_popescu | plox stop linking reddit, we're slashdotting them. | [02:19] |
ascii_on_tour | poor bugg3rz | [02:20] |
liquidassets | on a mac... | [02:20] |
BingoBoingo | liquidassets: stick pogoplug in library with wifi, use as VPN entry point | [02:20] |
liquidassets | can I get one soon?? | [02:20] |
ascii_on_tour | liquidassets: what would you bring through american airport? a vax ? | [02:20] |
liquidassets | pogoplug I thought no such bought them all | [02:20] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: But it's the big exposure of Qntra's follow up to BitPay 9 layoff forbes is trying to steal | [02:20] |
ascii_on_tour | liquidassets: l0l aha they are here. | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo doh. | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo they just "found it on the internet". | [02:21] |
liquidassets | did you opt for pat down ascii? | [02:21] |
BingoBoingo | I mean it i only the second big time insiders decided to leak qntra first, because qntra respects leaks | [02:22] |
ascii_on_tour | liquidassets: opted for default | [02:22] |
ascii_on_tour | which appears to consist of 'hurry the fuck up, we don't care what's in the crate' | [02:22] |
ascii_on_tour | seriously, mega-ass-inspection-fail | [02:22] |
ben_vulpes | bienvenidos a argentina | [02:23] |
* | assbot removes voice from ascii_on_tour | [02:23] |
ben_vulpes | !up ascii_on_tour | [02:23] |
* | assbot gives voice to ascii_on_tour | [02:23] |
* | ascii_on_tour is now known as ascii_orc | [02:23] |
BingoBoingo | !up ascii_on_tour continue unreliable narratodor | [02:23] |
* | assbot gives voice to ascii_orc | [02:23] |
ben_vulpes | donde nadie dale las mierdas | [02:23] |
ascii_orc | l0l | [02:24] |
ascii_orc | ben_vulpes et al will ask my meatbag the next day, aha | [02:24] |
ascii_orc | ' —Y mientras tanto qué comemos —preguntó, y agarró al coronel por el cuello de la franela. Lo sacudió con energía—. Dime, qué comemos. El coronel necesitó setenta y cinco años —los setenta y cinco años de su vida, minuto a minuto— para llegar a ese instante. Se sintió puro, explícito, invencible, en el momento de responder. — Mierda.' (TM) | [02:25] |
BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/588935101712437248 | [02:26] |
assbot | Biggest news today in the /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash space by a mile. itBit landed none other then Sheila Blaire for their board! http://t.co/fn5VA2XdFx | [02:26] |
ascii_orc | http://www.literatura.us/garciamarquez/coronel.html << where else | [02:26] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2MG5h ) | [02:26] |
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ascii_orc | BingoBoingo: you oughta have come here. | [02:30] |
ascii_orc | 'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.' (TM) | [02:30] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16329 @ 0.0003065 = 5.0048 BTC [+] {3} | [02:33] |
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ascii_orc | http://trilema.com/2015/random-weird-shit-2/ << obligatory su lul: '— one day, shell landed in a trench. all the men went up. at the end of the day, we turned up an arse and a set of limbs, no head, no torso. — what did you do? — if the head had turned up, it could be a man again. but naturally - it is top brass now. what else.' | [02:38] |
assbot | Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2OvPm ) | [02:38] |
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BingoBoingo | ascii_orc: But how is the steak? | [02:39] |
ascii_orc | almost alive. | [02:40] |
ascii_orc | could almost 'moo' in mouth. | [02:40] |
BingoBoingo | Beautiful | [02:41] |
BingoBoingo | Next month should be an inflection point that ends god awful multi-year misdemeanor proceedings | [02:41] |
ascii_orc | http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/random-weird-shit3.jpg << i bet it was put to use. at least once. | [02:43] |
assbot | Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aCrTr1 ) | [02:43] |
* | ascii_orc to bed. | [02:45] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [05:27] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com | [05:27] |
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mircea_popescu | heh http://andrewdieppa.kinja.com/indecent-exposure-or-the-fetlife-security-hole-1688251638 | [05:28] |
assbot | Indecent Exposure, or the FetLife Security Hole ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSBC4n ) | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | wtf is kinja | [05:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14334 @ 0.00030775 = 4.4113 BTC [+] | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | btw danielpbarron : see if https://twitter.com/fnxTX feels like coming by here sometime ? | [05:28] |
assbot | JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1CSBDVR ) | [05:28] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Kinja is blogger, but offered by Gawker instead of Google | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | oic | [05:31] |
BingoBoingo | For the drinkingrecord blog I've had a title to write in que on why kinja is a shit proposition for the individual blogger, but... time | [05:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17951 @ 0.00030775 = 5.5244 BTC [+] | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | seems kinda obscure anyway | [05:36] |
BingoBoingo | It is, why it fell on the backburner. They've pushed it, but their "values" make things such that the potential audience who could use it is too small. | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | myeah | [05:41] |
BingoBoingo | OH, and since I can't be there, announcement for con 3. Since last con I have abused derp sportsbooks and CoinBase Inc. to taint no less than 750 BTC with my stench. | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | whassat ? | [05:47] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, I've been gambling on shady books which keep their public wallet addresses big and directly depositing to CoinBase. Contributing to the death of the idea of taint. | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | haha ok | [05:50] |
BingoBoingo | Been mixing coins definitely mine by legacy addresses with big wallets and going straight from the big wallets to CoinBase, because fuck it. | [05:51] |
BingoBoingo | Working with minimal budget I've been cross taiting a number of coins across groups who I know don't want it. | [05:58] |
BingoBoingo | (outside of #b-a sphere) | [05:58] |
funkenstein_ | why would anyone care? unspent outputs are unspent outputs, something else going to an address is just another unspent output. | [06:01] |
funkenstein_ | not like I ever have to touch dust you send to an address I control | [06:02] |
cazalla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103255 <<< where abouts in australia did ya stay? | [06:04] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 07:26:01; felipelalli: despite all the problems, precisely because it is inefficient and corrupt, I feel more free here than I feel in U.S. (where I went sometimes) or in Australia (where I lived for one year) | [06:04] |
cazalla | !up felipelalli | [06:08] |
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felipelalli | cazalla: Brisbane, Queensland. | [06:08] |
cazalla | oh really? queensland is like most racist state in all the lands | [06:09] |
felipelalli | cazalla: really? I didn't realize that. | [06:09] |
cazalla | might've been qld cops that killed a brazillian for simply running away | [06:09] |
felipelalli | cazalla: ah! yeah. that was I said. | [06:09] |
cazalla | seems it was Sydney, oh well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Beto_Laudisio | [06:10] |
assbot | Death of Beto Laudisio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAw7Lj ) | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | aaaaannnnd... http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-iii/ | [06:10] |
assbot | Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAw9Tq ) | [06:10] |
felipelalli | cazalla: I said I didn't feel free there in relation to the police/state, only that I could walk at night on street. | [06:10] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, aaaaaaaaaannnnnd not a single one from melbourne, australia | [06:12] |
felipelalli | cazalla: I remember well this case. | [06:13] |
cazalla | felipelalli, it caught a lot of attention in the media here, not sure abroad (although when indian students get bashed/murdered, indian media goes bananas) | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla imagine that. | [06:16] |
felipelalli | cazalla: also here. But you have no idea how much people are killed by police here. If they'd create a new entry on Wikipedia about all cases the Wikipedia would run out of space!! ahhaha | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | some from queensland... | [06:16] |
felipelalli | mircea_popescu: how did you make this list? | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | see http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/ ? | [06:17] |
assbot | Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxjhL ) | [06:17] |
felipelalli | wow | [06:18] |
funkenstein_ | i have an idea, lets give a bunch of idiots uniforms and guns and see what happens | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | During the inquest, the cause of death was also not determined. Various causes of death were, however, specifically ruled out. These were: | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | i. The tasering, either in drive stun or probe mode Experts determined that there was insufficient electricity to have caused a heart rhythm disruption in drive stun mode, nor were any pair of probes positioned either side of the heart (as was the case in scholarly articles in which it has been suggested that Taser may have caused ventricular fibrillation) | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | dude check that out. how do the tasers work, by invoking manna from heaven ? | [06:20] |
cazalla | http://i.imgur.com/rKg0J0M.jpg <<< garza's wife again | [06:20] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAxFoL ) | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | notbad. | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | is that a handcarved pole behind her, in between those corner windows ? | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | i seem to remember very similar windows... | [06:21] |
BingoBoingo | funkenstein_: The point is the FBI and Treasury department showed up at my front door. I know full well I am watched. Vehicles park in my neighborhood without known possession. If they will deny me life as such then I will be Xoas, the gap. | [06:27] |
BingoBoingo | If I must be minded, why not be the gap? | [06:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103214 << ahaha good one. | [06:29] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 05:35:33; ascii_orc: could almost 'moo' in mouth. | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103223 << pretty cool shit. | [06:29] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 06:44:55; Chillum: mircea_popescu: You expressed on interest in my super simple war walking device I am working on. I have made PCB design and ordered 4 prototype boards(only $20): http://images.highinbc.com.s3.amazonaws.com/TinyWar_PCB.png - The circuit basically bridges an ESP8266 ESP-01, a RYN25AI, and 2 AA batteries. The rest is software | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103247 << imo brazil is headed straight for mexico fail mode. | [06:30] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 07:18:49; BingoBoingo: I'm wondering if Brazil has compelling places and characteristics that justify getting Portugese | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | this is not recoverable. | [06:30] |
BingoBoingo | If already man, why not myth and legend? | [06:30] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Been my present Brazil objection | [06:31] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo the gawker shit kicks ass. | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater" | [06:32] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: I's seriously qntra it up now if wasn't contemplating legend atm | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | "as journalism has moved online and flourished over the past 20 years" "good times (which our company enjoys now), and even more in bad times (which will inevitably come)" | [06:33] |
mircea_popescu | hahaha. if the past 20 years is flourishing, and the current "we don't pay you anything, write for free" thing is good times... | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | but he's right : worse times are coming. | [06:34] |
felipelalli | mircea_popescu: it is also easy to extract all photos from the site, like this one: https://fetlife.com/users/70387/pictures/978791 | [06:34] |
assbot | Login - FetLife ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAzhP7 ) | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | "Nobody is seeking to hurt this company, or plunder it for all it's worth, or find a way to attack the people that run it. We're just trying to make it a bit more functional, and a bit more fair." | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | win. | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | tl;dr : gawker is sinking, people desperate, fighting over carcass begun. | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | it had to happen, after all. | [06:35] |
felipelalli | lol! they have a "accept of terms" when you create the account something like "please keep it anonymous". | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | everyone trying to foist the actual doing of their actual job on everyone else, it's a thing | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | called "welfare state" | [06:37] |
funkenstein_ | Bingobongo, Xoas? | [06:37] |
funkenstein_ | [06:39] | |
BingoBoingo | funkenstein_: Greek, English alphabet Chaos | [06:39] |
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BingoBoingo | !up felipelalli | [06:39] |
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funkenstein_ | thank you | [06:39] |
funkenstein_ | re: mind the gap, i am moving out of fiat mordor in a few days | [06:40] |
BingoBoingo | funkenstein_: Historically the term means something very different than in 20th century English | [06:41] |
* | BingoBoingo wonders how many USG stooges will be billed to read Heraclitus nao | [06:42] |
funkenstein_ | "abyss, that which gapes wide open, is vast and empty," | [06:42] |
funkenstein_ | the ocean of the undescriptable | [06:43] |
funkenstein_ | nyarlathotep | [06:43] |
funkenstein_ | mind the gap indeed eh? | [06:43] |
BingoBoingo | Indeed | [06:44] |
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BingoBoingo | Unaddressed movie consequences "Man of Steel" (2013), everyone has arthritis nao | [06:46] |
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punkman | g'day asseteers | [06:48] |
funkenstein_ | g'day punkman | [06:49] |
punkman | http://i.imgur.com/YhKUqXu.png a day after the frenchies publish this... http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2013/08/16/des-seismes-sans-precedent-historique-sont-possibles-en-europe_3462489_3244.html | [06:52] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1yABZUY ) | [06:52] |
assbot | Des séismes sans précédent historique sont possibles en Europe ... ( http://bit.ly/1yABZV2 ) | [06:52] |
punkman | pretty good shake last night | [06:52] |
punkman | maybe Χαος is feeling frisky | [06:52] |
BingoBoingo | But yes, since the Feds showed up at my door I have done my best to be a complete dick who either controls hundreds of dollars of BTC or hundreds of thousands (maybe millions, I'm an ass like that) | [06:53] |
* | funkenstein_ sends greetings to all at the b-a mtg in b-a, sends energy to ensure it will b-a success | [06:53] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [06:53] |
mircea_popescu | cool deal. | [06:53] |
mircea_popescu | punkman what if crete goes to look for atlantida ? | [06:54] |
punkman | argentina looks like a good place to be considering tectonics | [06:54] |
punkman | or maybe australia | [06:54] |
BingoBoingo | punkman: Techtonically atlantic coasts, generally much safer | [06:55] |
mircea_popescu | http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16168 << o.O | [06:55] |
assbot | Federal Agents Who Persecuted Ulbricht Arrested | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yACoGT ) | [06:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8827 @ 0.00030459 = 2.6886 BTC [-] | [06:58] |
* | BingoBoingo errs on the side of underestimating the worth of his meat to USG | [07:00] |
punkman | mircea_popescu: last big one pushed western part of the island about 10 meters upwards. so more likely to rise than sink. | [07:01] |
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cazalla | https://hashtalk.org/topic/36590/this-industry-makes-me-sick <<< lol http://dpaste.com/3ZK2ST8.txt | [07:12] |
assbot | HashTalk - Ideas, Talk, and Hardware - Bitcoin & Scrypt Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAEEhr ) | [07:12] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAEG96 ) | [07:12] |
punkman | hah, win "Calling the employers of developers, that are giving their free time to paycoin, to get them fired? Calling and texting the parents of developers to tell them their child is part of scam?" | [07:14] |
mircea_popescu | punkman the titanic rose before it sunk. | [07:15] |
mircea_popescu | well... they ARE part of a scam. | [07:15] |
punkman | and they aren't even getting paid... | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | typical idiocy, that. | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | gawker doing exactly the same posturing | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | "for the future". | [07:16] |
punkman | cazalla, are there more pics? | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | the theory being that i am somehow obliged to BELIEVE their pretense, and pay them accordingly. which is why all teh anger when i go "orly, gawker ?" | [07:17] |
cazalla | i can't imagine his wife is that upset, had what.. 3 kids and still has a rockin' body | [07:17] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla yah, nothing to be ashamed of there. | [07:17] |
cazalla | punkman, bitcointalk thread references some others but seems deleted or something | [07:17] |
mircea_popescu | "Have I made mistakes? Yes. Have I owned them? Yes And am I still trying to " | [07:17] |
mircea_popescu | lmao. | [07:17] |
mircea_popescu | he should be on fetlife. | [07:17] |
fluffypony | "What's more is they laugh about people loosing money." | [07:18] |
fluffypony | loosing money? | [07:18] |
fluffypony | the money! she is loose! | [07:18] |
mircea_popescu | "my wife is loosin' money!" | [07:18] |
mircea_popescu | garza, delousing money. since 2013 | [07:18] |
fluffypony | lol | [07:18] |
mircea_popescu | "your honor... this money was very lossy to begin with!" | [07:19] |
fluffypony | "I should've used TIFF, but I chose JPEG" | [07:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4711 @ 0.00029743 = 1.4012 BTC [-] | [07:22] |
BingoBoingo | lol, unlike Garza to taint hundreds to thousands of BTC with my stink I required no scam | [07:23] |
BingoBoingo | fluffypony: For the qntra can you get lots of pictures of groups of the pale devils at BTCAfrica? | [07:23] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, drinking? | [07:23] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Yup | [07:23] |
fluffypony | BingoBoingo: I will | [07:23] |
BingoBoingo | fluffypony: Cool | [07:24] |
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cazalla | tempted to keep my beers until tmw night | [07:24] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Big reveal was planned sober though. Many non-Wotty outfits handle too much money and could use some WoT stink anyways | [07:24] |
cazalla | well your stash must tend towards the millions if this taint is widespread :P | [07:28] |
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BingoBoingo | cazalla: You don't understand how fundamentally these services are broken. You can withdraw Bitcents from addresses with hundreds of BTC | [07:29] |
BingoBoingo | !up mogreen How's your eye? | [07:30] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0002942 = 3.7069 BTC [-] {2} | [07:30] |
mogreen | BingoBoingo: My eye? Why would you be asking about my eye? | [07:32] |
BingoBoingo | mogreen: Haven't you seen the movie? | [07:32] |
mogreen | BingoBoingo: nope | [07:33] |
BingoBoingo | mogreen: Oh, if I'm talking through a time warp watch out for the massage table and the big wop with the flowerbox. | [07:33] |
mogreen | BingoBoingo: noted, thx | [07:34] |
BingoBoingo | So how's vegas? | [07:35] |
mogreen | BingoBoingo: still in my future I guess | [07:37] |
mogreen | BingoBoingo: I presently have no plans to visit vegas | [07:37] |
BingoBoingo | I have no sensible explanation for your irc nick then mogreen | [07:37] |
mogreen | BingoBoingo: even ppl who don't go to vegas need mo' green! | [07:38] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, boring weed reference | [07:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00028851 = 12.5502 BTC [-] {3} | [07:40] |
funkenstein_ | i thought you were talking about the candlestick charts usd/btc | [07:42] |
BingoBoingo | Nah | [07:44] |
funkenstein_ | namecoin has been quite volatile for a couple days | [07:47] |
funkenstein_ | which is my clumsy segue for asking a question | [07:47] |
funkenstein_ | what do you think about putting gpg fingerprint in namecoin database | [07:47] |
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funkenstein_ | instead of e.t. "mit server" | [07:47] |
funkenstein_ | *e.g. | [07:47] |
funkenstein_ | or even full pubkey | [07:48] |
funkenstein_ | in name value pair like "/k funkenstein","
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funkenstein_ | or some such? | [07:49] |
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funkenstein_ | !up felipelalli | [07:50] |
cazalla | !up felipelalli | [07:50] |
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funkenstein_ | seems like a good idea to me but nobody uses it as far as i can tell | [07:54] |
funkenstein_ | http://wiki.namecoin.info/index.php?title=Identity#GPG | [07:54] |
assbot | Identity - Namecoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Heo1t0 ) | [07:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11911 @ 0.0002999 = 3.5721 BTC [+] {2} | [07:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27828 @ 0.00030545 = 8.5001 BTC [+] | [08:29] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31762 @ 0.00030775 = 9.7748 BTC [+] | [08:39] |
funkenstein_ | http://thedailywtf.com/articles/nothing-refreshes-like-lorem-ipsum | [08:40] |
assbot | Nothing Refreshes like Lorem Ipsum - The Daily WTF ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPznn1 ) | [08:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00029343 = 24.5307 BTC [-] {4} | [08:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13367 @ 0.00030775 = 4.1137 BTC [+] | [08:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00030775 = 12.4331 BTC [+] | [09:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00030775 = 2.3235 BTC [+] | [09:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00030775 = 14.2796 BTC [+] | [09:19] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81500 @ 0.00028554 = 23.2715 BTC [+] | [09:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14245 @ 0.00030284 = 4.314 BTC [+] | [10:05] |
mats | good morning | [10:13] |
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mats | Bloomberg down, finance workers shit themselves | [10:37] |
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ben_vulpes | achtung pumperos! | [11:01] |
ben_vulpes | to the showers and thence the lobby! | [11:01] |
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ben_vulpes | y despues, desayuno? | [11:02] |
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mircea_popescu | !up sosamendez | [11:16] |
-assbot- | You voiced sosamendez for 30 minutes. | [11:16] |
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mircea_popescu | !up DigitalDayTrader | [11:16] |
-assbot- | You voiced DigitalDayTrader for 30 minutes. | [11:16] |
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sosamendez | will there be any windows releases of the protocol from the bitcoin foundation? | [11:17] |
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sosamendez | http://thebitcoin.foundation/ | [11:18] |
assbot | ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 ) | [11:18] |
sosamendez | im talking about this one | [11:18] |
ben_vulpes | no. | [11:20] |
mircea_popescu | sosamendez you can compile it if you wish, and sign the copy | [11:20] |
ben_vulpes | sosamendez: wincrud was explicitly stripped from the codebase. | [11:21] |
mircea_popescu | whether anyone uses it or not i guess depends on how credible you seem to them | [11:21] |
mod6 | hola amigos :] | [11:21] |
cazalla | safety isn't guaranteed sosamendez | [11:21] |
ben_vulpes | doing anything related to keys on a windows machine is baaaaad sosamendez | [11:21] |
ben_vulpes | hola mod6 | [11:22] |
mircea_popescu | come andan ? | [11:22] |
ben_vulpes | i wish my spanish were good enough to pun on andan and adonde | [11:23] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [11:24] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, powernap time. | [11:24] |
ben_vulpes | wait first why would i object to qntra gawker whatever | [11:25] |
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sosamendez | mircea: how you enjoying argentina | [11:30] |
sosamendez | compared to romania | [11:30] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9409 @ 0.00029628 = 2.7877 BTC [+] | [12:01] |
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* | mod6 feels like a new man | [12:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00029582 = 18.6662 BTC [-] | [12:13] |
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davout | ben_vulpes mod6 you ready? | [12:24] |
mod6 | yeah! | [12:29] |
mod6 | sorry was just messing with my openbsd wifi | [12:29] |
mod6 | should I head down to the lobby? | [12:29] |
mod6 | aight, im just gonna head down there. c-ya in a bit. | [12:32] |
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davout | mod6: yep, heading down there now | [12:33] |
ben_vulpes | vamanos! | [12:37] |
ben_vulpes | vamanos! | [12:37] |
Chillum | Fritzing is a great tool. I love how after building your circuit you can order $5 prototype boards | [12:41] |
Chillum | hardware hacking is cool | [12:43] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114700 @ 0.00029136 = 33.419 BTC [-] {2} | [12:58] |
Chillum | I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing | [12:59] |
danielpbarron | height=327079 vs height=224268 | [13:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00029523 = 8.1336 BTC [+] | [13:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00029524 = 16.4892 BTC [+] | [13:15] |
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mats | jesus, Slack got a 160mn round at 2.8B valuation | [13:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43338 @ 0.0002915 = 12.633 BTC [-] {2} | [14:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6118 @ 0.00028914 = 1.769 BTC [-] | [14:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.000296 = 12.7872 BTC [+] {2} | [14:21] |
davout | ;;ticker --eur | [14:34] |
gribble | (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |
[14:34] |
davout | ;;ticker --currency eur | [14:35] |
gribble | Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. | [14:35] |
davout | ;;ticker --currency EUR | [14:35] |
gribble | Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. | [14:35] |
davout | ;;ticker --currency EUR | [14:35] |
gribble | Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. | [14:35] |
davout | ;;ticker --market bc | [14:35] |
gribble | OKCoin BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.405279, Best ask: 222.456895, Bid-ask spread: 0.05162, Last trade: 222.456895, 24 hour volume: 109476.961, 24 hour low: 221.324569, 24 hour high: 230.426728, 24 hour vwap: None | [14:35] |
davout | ;;ticker --currency EUR | [14:36] |
gribble | Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. | [14:36] |
davout | fuck you gribbleh | [14:36] |
adlai | https://i.imgur.com/vpszC6u.png | [14:40] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSy42T ) | [14:40] |
adlai | https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/588983995519533056 | [14:42] |
assbot | We are aware of the issues surrounding today's settlement. Thanks for your patience as we fix the problem. All funds are accounted for. | [14:42] |
adlai | https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/589002676446171138 | [14:46] |
assbot | Update: OKCoin will resume operations as usual later today. Trades made post 4pm Beijing time will be retracted. | [14:47] |
adlai | hooray for playmoney | [14:47] |
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[]bot | Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " http://bitbet.us/bet/1129/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 7(Y):93(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.21280975 BTC. Current weight: 52,009. | [15:01] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36820 @ 0.00028914 = 10.6461 BTC [-] | [15:07] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00029901 = 19.645 BTC [+] {2} | [15:10] |
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BingoBoingo | !up rofei | [16:04] |
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trinque | BingoBoingo: anyone figure out whether ascii was fucking around or if that was an actual impersonator? | [16:13] |
BingoBoingo | No idea. Likely one or more impersonators. | [16:14] |
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BingoBoingo | Spy vs. Accidental Spy | [16:20] |
kakobrekla | fucking around would require leaving the bed | [16:21] |
kakobrekla | thats not around. | [16:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70944 @ 0.00030548 = 21.672 BTC [+] | [16:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0003103 = 10.6743 BTC [+] | [16:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00030443 = 2.679 BTC [-] {2} | [16:34] |
mats | http://www.phrack.com/papers/modern_objc_exploitation.html | [16:34] |
assbot | .:: Phrack Magazine ::. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISXu6A ) | [16:34] |
BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2015/04/seized-bitcoin-atm-returned/ | [16:40] |
assbot | Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1NQuJ ) | [16:40] |
trinque | man phrack has a great header image | [16:46] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32480 @ 0.00030368 = 9.8635 BTC [-] {2} | [17:16] |
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pete_dushenski | ;;later tell ben_vulpes but what if i wanna advertise my pgp version and its implied affiliations ? also, sorry for skipping your scoop mention in the cavirtex article, it just seemed a little tardy to have mentioned it. | [17:32] |
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pete_dushenski | http://www.gocomics.com/theargylesweater/2015/04/14#mutable_1286568 << power rangers lulz | [17:45] |
assbot | The Argyle Sweater Comic Strip, April 14, 2015 | [17:45] |
pete_dushenski | http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/17/mirceas-hierarchy-of-needs-a-letter/ | [17:50] |
assbot | Mircea’s Hierarchy of Needs, a letter. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXdLzf ) | [17:50] |
pete_dushenski | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103404 << that qntra commenter eh. lol so he doesn't understand things so i'm wrong "because reasons" and therefore other things and such. | [17:52] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 09:50:11; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/03/federal-agents-who-persecuted-ulbricht-arrested/#comment-16168 << o.O | [17:52] |
cazalla | that atm article BingoBoingo.. few weeks ago we got a comment bitching about my original article but it was on an article not even relevant, i assumed it was someone using a bot to just seo the guys name or something, (you can see it in the trash) | [17:59] |
BingoBoingo | Interesting | [18:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.0003102 = 5.8938 BTC [+] | [18:01] |
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cazalla | ip is from thailand too, perhaps he hired someone to do pr for him (see all the typos?) seeing his name is linked everywhere with the arrest | [18:04] |
BingoBoingo | Ah, k so PR spam | [18:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4427 @ 0.0003102 = 1.3733 BTC [+] | [18:07] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00029164 = 9.3616 BTC [-] | [18:15] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24415 @ 0.00029444 = 7.1888 BTC [+] | [18:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34101 @ 0.00029919 = 10.2027 BTC [+] {2} | [19:04] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120836 @ 0.0003115 = 37.6404 BTC [+] | [19:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00031237 = 25.9579 BTC [+] {2} | [19:47] |
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pete_dushenski | "The high-tech spaces we walk through now are fit only for the smiling ghosts of computer visualizations, a purgatory of ‘aspirational but accessible’ restaurants and bars, ‘media-walls’ and ‘public art’ of unremitting dreariness. Where socialists and radicals could once read within the language of explicit engineering signs of redemption or change, the post High-Tech architecture in our cities has no suc | [19:50] |
pete_dushenski | associations: it may not be historicist, like the postmodern architecture of the neo-liberal turn in the 1980s, but rather its anaesthetized formal language is a perfect complement to the hollowed out shell of social democracy." | [19:50] |
pete_dushenski | heh, this murphy douglas fellow gets it. | [19:50] |
pete_dushenski | designing and building cities around "ideas" and can only lead to unliveable insanity. | [19:51] |
pete_dushenski | i should say "centralised ideas" are the point of contention | [19:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174700 @ 0.00031322 = 54.7195 BTC [+] {4} | [19:52] |
pete_dushenski | soviet-harvard delusions will lead to cold and disenchanting cities | [19:52] |
pete_dushenski | as we see with canberra and new york, for example. | [19:53] |
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BingoBoingo | !up asciilifeform | [20:03] |
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BingoBoingo | !up Citizenfive | [20:03] |
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Citizenfive | What's up fellas | [20:07] |
danielpbarron | https://twitter.com/fnxtx/status/589201935598624770 | [20:08] |
assbot | “Cody Wilson Wants to Destroy Your World” by /ajzaleski https://t.co/kUTv9jyJJA | [20:08] |
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danielpbarron | ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ | [20:10] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162892 @ 0.00030018 = 48.8969 BTC [-] {2} | [20:12] |
BingoBoingo | Citizenfive: Not too much. Are you the one who leaked the Drone chart at Rammstein to Greenwald? | [20:13] |
* | BingoBoingo wonders if Citizen works like SPECTRE, sequantial numbering and all | [20:14] |
Citizenfive | It's a possibility. Neither denial nor confirmation would accomplish much here. | [20:18] |
danielpbarron | not without a gpg | [20:19] |
Citizenfive | lol | [20:21] |
Citizenfive | There's some important lessons in the DPR case about gpg's CAPS & LIMS in practice | [20:21] |
trinque | Citizenfive: such as? | [20:22] |
Citizenfive | Cryptographically tying writing to an identity — if only probabilistically, something sadly not often considered either — is a double-edged sword. | [20:23] |
BingoBoingo | Well, the first is don't let the Fed's get your privates | [20:24] |
Citizenfive | Most of the time, I'd prefer to leave open strong possibility that me today is not me tomorrow. But I'm not here to lecture on the merits and foibles of specific cryptosuites. I'll use what I need. :) | [20:26] |
trinque | Citizenfive: when you have that you may lose assurance that you're speaking to whom you want | [20:27] |
trinque | I see your point though | [20:27] |
trinque | different problems, one's deniability and one's privacy | [20:29] |
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williamdunne | Citizenfive: Lets be honest, the biggest issue was OpSec | [20:32] |
Citizenfive | Yes. The above link from Twitter, if you think about it, is stonger evidence that I am at least the same persona as was using that account earlier today, than anything I could present you with GPG over these channels. And, presumably, if Twitter C5's personality does not change or claim "omg HAX!" in a few hours or days, you can be comfortable that | [20:32] |
Citizenfive | whatever I write here was indeed *probably* the same persona. At this very second that is less certain than it will be, from a Bayesian perspective, as time goes on and Twitter C5 behaves normally. Make sense? | [20:32] |
Citizenfive | It always is. (OPSEC) | [20:33] |
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trinque | Citizenfive: insufficent data for meaningful response | [20:33] |
Citizenfive | :) | [20:34] |
trinque | *answer | [20:34] |
danielpbarron | Citizenfive, until you're in the WoT, it doesn't really matter what else you do | [20:34] |
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danielpbarron | !up Citizenfive | [20:34] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36352 @ 0.00030661 = 11.1459 BTC [+] {2} | [20:35] |
Citizenfive | Well what are we here to accomplish, gents? I'm not opposed to your WoT, but that's not why I'm here. | [20:35] |
danielpbarron | I think MP wanted to talk to you, but he's busy with the conference probably | [20:36] |
danielpbarron | in the meantime you could get a key registered | [20:37] |
Citizenfive | Yeah. Seemed to have a specific reason, too. I don't expect I'm a regular conversation topic. | [20:37] |
williamdunne | !s Citizenfive | [20:38] |
assbot | 0 results for 'Citizenfive' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Citizenfive | [20:38] |
williamdunne | Odd | [20:38] |
Citizenfive | I'll reconsider joining your super-secret boy band. Maybe. Depends on MP. | [20:42] |
trinque | !b 1 | [20:42] |
assbot | Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NBBPSG.txt ) | [20:42] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market buttstamp | [20:46] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.6, Best ask: 223.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 222.63, 24 hour volume: 7974.94113398, 24 hour low: 220.0, 24 hour high: 228.29, 24 hour vwap: 223.914503409 | [20:46] |
williamdunne | ;;ticker --market buttfinex | [20:48] |
gribble | Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.49, Best ask: 222.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 222.5, 24 hour volume: 27097.48973466, 24 hour low: 219.58, 24 hour high: 228.98, 24 hour vwap: None | [20:48] |
williamdunne | Oh wow | [20:48] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market ButtChina | [20:53] |
gribble | BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.79656, Best ask: 222.856278, Bid-ask spread: 0.05972, Last trade: 222.854664, 24 hour volume: 191409.66390000, 24 hour low: 221.39238, 24 hour high: 229.402662, 24 hour vwap: 225.195343576 | [20:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00029575 = 20.7764 BTC [-] {2} | [20:55] |
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BingoBoingo | https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg | [20:58] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt3TB4 ) | [20:58] |
williamdunne | In reality they only have one dog | [21:03] |
trinque | lol, extra points for the stripper name | [21:05] |
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BingoBoingo | !up Citizenfive | [21:13] |
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cazalla | scoopbot dead? http://qntra.net/2015/04/theymos-complies-with-yet-another-subpoena/ | [21:16] |
assbot | Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt6wmh ) | [21:16] |
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williamdunne | Out of all the derp that goes on, on bitcointalk, that seems to be completely sane | [21:18] |
williamdunne | Operated by someone in the US, its self-preservation on his part to comply | [21:19] |
williamdunne | If you send messages in cleartext on a forum run in the US, I'm not sure what more can be expected | [21:19] |
williamdunne | (That is not to say that the action is just, just should have been predicted) | [21:19] |
cazalla | williamdunne, no doubt he's in a difficult situation but with the last one, he wasn't even going to mention anything and had to be convinced to provide additional information to the public if memory serves | [21:24] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo wrote on it, might have a better recollection of events than i | [21:25] |
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trinque | the idea that a forum is something which is hosted in one particular place instead of distributed among its members is absurd | [21:26] |
trinque | fuck you, entire web | [21:26] |
williamdunne | cazalla: If he didn't comply straight away, it would still end up with them threatening him personally. I would do exactly the same if I was in the US. Best not to mess with the guys with guns | [21:26] |
williamdunne | Then again, I also wouldn't still be in the US | [21:26] |
williamdunne | trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors | [21:27] |
williamdunne | trinque: Has its place, even if not what we need | [21:27] |
trinque | williamdunne: why for example does freenode need to be involved in this exchange I'm having with you now? | [21:29] |
trinque | am I not able to get packets to you myself? | [21:29] |
BingoBoingo | williamdunne: Plenty of things law enforcement can use to leverage Theymos, most prominently the GLBSE shennanigans | [21:30] |
williamdunne | BingoBoingo: Indeed, that is my point | [21:35] |
williamdunne | trinque: Convenience, everything on here is completely public anyway so no use in a subpoena. | [21:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00031447 = 17.3273 BTC [+] | [21:37] |
trinque | williamdunne: of course, I'm asking a more fundamental question about "why the hell still mostly centralized services using HTTP" | [21:38] |
trinque | or in this case IRC | [21:38] |
trinque | williamdunne: you've probably read over this http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ | [21:39] |
assbot | [Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yDn5gN ) | [21:39] |
trinque | I'm looking forward to it | [21:39] |
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williamdunne | trinque: Sounds good, although how would that work with dynamic IPs? | [21:42] |
trinque | williamdunne: good thread in the comments | [21:42] |
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williamdunne | !up citizenfive | [21:52] |
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williamdunne | Read over the idea | [21:56] |
williamdunne | Could many of the same goals not be achieved by just integrating GPG into IRC? | [21:57] |
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danielpbarron | irc isn't written by a member of the WoT | [22:01] |
trinque | williamdunne: what's the thought there, that the messages within the IRC protocol would be GPG messages? | [22:02] |
trinque | you could probably make something that was sort of like the proposal by cramming all the traffic, both gossip and direct messages through pm | [22:03] |
trinque | probably better to design the thing from the ground up eh? | [22:04] |
trinque | williamdunne: tangentially related it was rather trivial to make point-to-point chat with gpg, awk and netcat | [22:05] |
williamdunne | danielpbarron: What reason would that matter in particular? All our messages are public anyway. I doubt your OS was written exclusively by a member of the WoT (even if you did compile it yourself) | [22:05] |
trinque | williamdunne: I think the idea is eventually to have a full stack within the WoT | [22:05] |
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williamdunne | trinque: Maybe, if it works well then awesome. Will be a great thing. But seems like it could end up more hassle than it is worth | [22:06] |
trinque | williamdunne: hassle to whom? | [22:06] |
williamdunne | trinque: Each individual end-user, we'll exclude development efforts | [22:06] |
trinque | it should be done at a certain point, not a katamari of features | [22:07] |
trinque | if it passes messages between nodes as described, and does that perfectly, that's a fantastic place to stop, then build separate things which make use of that | [22:07] |
williamdunne | trinque: maybe, I might just not be thinking creatively enough | [22:09] |
Citizenfive | A properly-done "better IRC" would pretty much fix most objections I have with the current WoT, btw | [22:10] |
Citizenfive | But use OTR | [22:10] |
trinque | Citizenfive: read the spec? | [22:10] |
danielpbarron | otr isn't in the WoT | [22:10] |
Citizenfive | Just the RFC. The general spirit of it is sound. | [22:11] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: my familiarity with OTR is very slim, having only used it in conjunction with jabber. But what does it offer that GPG doesn't? | [22:11] |
danielpbarron | it's more user friendlier | [22:11] |
trinque | nah not the only thing there, as I understand it, it opts for deniability | [22:12] |
trinque | as per earlier thread | [22:12] |
danielpbarron | gossipd has similar feature | [22:12] |
trinque | indeed | [22:13] |
Citizenfive | https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/otr-wpes.pdf | [22:13] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZOz5o ) | [22:13] |
trinque | Citizenfive: thanks, I will read this | [22:13] |
danielpbarron | !s ephemeral key | [22:14] |
assbot | 14 results for 'ephemeral key' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ephemeral+key | [22:14] |
trinque | Citizenfive: I don't think off-the-record is what's wanted here | [22:14] |
trinque | well not first | [22:15] |
Citizenfive | PGP & OTR are not mutually exclusive | [22:15] |
trinque | mhm | [22:15] |
trinque | take the example in the logs above, asciilifeform is using an alternate nick while traveling, and it appears someone decided to spoof as him | [22:16] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: They would effectively need to be mutually exclusive if deniability is what you're going for in any group chat setting would they not | [22:16] |
trinque | well there's a distinction between saying "I am connected to the node I think I am" | [22:16] |
trinque | and saying "this message I'm looking at was certainly authored by X" | [22:16] |
trinque | I want the former without question | [22:17] |
trinque | the latter is a feature one could use or not | [22:17] |
trinque | depends on the situation | [22:17] |
Citizenfive | Both are very good tools. At present, I see many solutions trying to fit the square peg of PGP into the gaping goatse of "maintaining OPSEC in an adverse environment of well-heeled adversaries". That is, it fits, but a large round peg, perhaps OTR, would allow less... spillage. | [22:18] |
cazalla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103663 https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg <<< see quite a few of these here or similar style | [22:18] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 23:53:29; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/tQqNT11.jpg | [22:18] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dt3TB4 ) | [22:18] |
trinque | Citizenfive: it appears one of the goals of the gossipd network is for the topology of the network to be the topology of the WoT | [22:19] |
cazalla | oops, i meant this http://www.jennytalia.com/wp-content/uploads/Family-Car-Stickers7.jpg | [22:19] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZPin7 ) | [22:19] |
Citizenfive | The visual breaks down, but I'm amenable to a solution that uses both pegs in some way. | [22:19] |
danielpbarron | must be in WoT -- until then, generate your own temporary keys for "off the record" communication | [22:20] |
trinque | danielpbarron: there is a place for non-WoT authenticated communication | [22:20] |
Citizenfive | fuck's sake, the WoT is fine, lol; it too is a tool | [22:20] |
trinque | take the namesake of this nick ^ | [22:21] |
Citizenfive | like a damn broken record >.< | [22:21] |
Citizenfive | Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it. | [22:22] |
trinque | Citizenfive: define properly | [22:22] |
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trinque | !up Citizenfive | [22:22] |
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danielpbarron | the users who do know how to use it "properly" are the only users worth dealing with | [22:23] |
trinque | yes yes, WoT is good, let her speak | [22:23] |
Citizenfive | MP appears to know how, in his description of how to use it he explains what it is and isn't | [22:23] |
trinque | Citizenfive: I'm asking for my own information, not as part of an implicit debate | [22:23] |
Citizenfive | Without searching, if he tells me [user X] also uses it properly, I would probably trust that. All subject to the extent that I trust MP's intentions and motivations, which is sorta the point of a WoT | [22:25] |
trinque | probably referring to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ which I've read | [22:25] |
assbot | What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18l11un ) | [22:25] |
trinque | was just asking your interpretation | [22:25] |
trinque | anyhow yes, a tool | [22:25] |
Citizenfive | trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ | [22:25] |
Citizenfive | I have no objection to ^ | [22:26] |
danielpbarron | what's the objection then? that not enough net effect yet? | [22:27] |
trinque | danielpbarron: say, oh I don't know, I'm deep within the NSA... and I want to leak some documents | [22:28] |
trinque | lol | [22:28] |
trinque | why in hell would I communicate with you using something that requires I create a (for all reasonable measures) permanent identity | [22:29] |
danielpbarron | the identity doesn't have to be tied to a slave name | [22:29] |
trinque | true enough, and one might want to know later he's dealing with the same citizenfour as last time | [22:30] |
Citizenfive | I guess that, and more critically, amoung its users, I see too much overreliance on it (which is to say, people who don't fully grip the CAPS&LIMS of it as a tool) | [22:30] |
trinque | however in the process of doing said leaking, and especially in the process of *establishing* trust one may want deniable messaging | [22:30] |
trinque | gossipd as I understand it readily supports that | [22:31] |
trinque | *will support | [22:31] |
trinque | you connect to some node that's the all-welcoming orifice and it forwards it on | [22:31] |
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trinque | and the chain of connections from that point onward is known | [22:31] |
Citizenfive | But we'll get there. That's the difficulty with anything. The WoT automates some rep stuff, but doesn't automate KNOWING what really is and isn't automated, or something like that | [22:31] |
Citizenfive | I'm not prepared to type enough to really explain my thinking at the moment | [22:32] |
danielpbarron | the WoT isn't automated | [22:32] |
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Citizenfive | It automates collecting and remembering-correctly certain things. These actions were previously done in one's own head, usually with less fidelity and in ways that required more effort or energy or whatever. Idk, I call it automation, but it doesn't really matter. | [22:37] |
Citizenfive | https://xkcd.com/1322/ | [22:37] |
assbot | xkcd: Winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQmw6M ) | [22:37] |
Citizenfive | The above is Feynman's favorite XKCD, and whoever can tell me why becomes my favorite asseteer | [22:38] |
trinque | Citizenfive: reminds me a bit of the vid where he discusses magnetism | [22:39] |
trinque | nvm this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM-zWTU7X-k | [22:41] |
assbot | Feynman: Knowing versus Understanding - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQnDDJ ) | [22:41] |
trinque | the magnetism one came to mind because he goes from a superficial understanding of the thing to a deeper and deeper description, ultimately saying "we have no idea" | [22:42] |
trinque | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8 << must've been the idiots guide to the concept | [22:42] |
assbot | Richard Feynman Magnets - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQnRKY ) | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | ahh | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | hello chan! | [22:45] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: good evening | [22:45] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Good morning | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | good gooding. | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103531 << heh that it is. | [22:49] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 15:38:26; Chillum: hardware hacking is cool | [22:49] |
mircea_popescu | "Slack brings all your communication together in one place. It's real-time messaging, archiving and search for modern teams." | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | hey, sounds like 3bn. | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103568 << the official word is that the behaviour couldnb't be reproduced (ben tried amongothers) and prolly alf did some strange locally. | [22:51] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 19:09:10; BingoBoingo: No idea. Likely one or more impersonators. | [22:51] |
Citizenfive | Trinique wins, with bonus points. I usually use the bit about knowing the name of a bird. | [22:51] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103574 << you could do that thing where you peel your thing and just trace around her inner labia until you blow. | [22:52] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 19:18:32; kakobrekla: thats not around. | [22:52] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103608 << not bad. | [22:54] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 22:45:24; pete_dushenski: heh, this murphy douglas fellow gets it. | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | !up Citizenfive | [22:54] |
-assbot- | You voiced Citizenfive for 30 minutes. | [22:54] |
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mircea_popescu | hey, you're the twitter chick ? | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | definitely reads like her | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rate Citizenfive 1 actual women actually in tech. | [22:57] |
gribble | Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | !rate Citizenfive 1 actual women actually in tech. | [22:57] |
assbot | Citizenfive is not registered in WoT. | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | !h | [22:58] |
assbot | http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | Citizenfive ^ | [22:58] |
Citizenfive | For politeness and the convenience of the asseteers, I will register if I stick around. | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | aite. | [22:58] |
Citizenfive | Apologies for now. | [22:58] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: Mircea just offered you a rating, and a compliment to go with it. | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | tsk, let ppls go at their own pace. | [22:59] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: Any backstory to the 'twitter' association? | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | digital is too firehose-y as it is. | [22:59] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: I was just pointing out that its quite rare, they can go at their own pace;) | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103648 << actually, nothing specific. intel went "hey, here's one that's not stupid". doesn't happen that often. | [23:00] |
assbot | Logged on 17-04-2015 23:32:14; Citizenfive: Yeah. Seemed to have a specific reason, too. I don't expect I'm a regular conversation topic. | [23:00] |
Citizenfive | I will consider it the compliment that it is, in this "country", and am grateful for it. | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | i thought it was a cult | [23:01] |
Citizenfive | williamdunne: Association? | [23:01] |
williamdunne | I thought it was a sovereign? | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | who isn't these days. | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | heck, portland levies "art taxes" nao. | [23:01] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: "you're the twitter chick ?" - I'm assuming this was addressed at you | [23:02] |
Citizenfive | The US is a cult. Most countries are. :) | [23:02] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, these guys actually beat the puerto madero dock. incredible walkers. | [23:03] |
mircea_popescu | we actually ran out of dock, five miles later. | [23:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00031685 = 6.3687 BTC [+] | [23:03] |
Citizenfive | Yes. → https://twitter.com/fnxTX is me. Or so I have claimed, earlier in the thread. | [23:03] |
assbot | JJ 「ᶜᶦᵗᶦᶻᵉᶯᶠᶦᵛᵉ」 (@fnxTX) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQsTHp ) | [23:03] |
Citizenfive | (thread → channel) | [23:04] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103677 << it's entirely a legalistic gimmick. somehow court manages to convince itself it's too good to just go read the forum, must order someone to copy it down for it. sorta like ottoman turks. | [23:05] |
assbot | Logged on 18-04-2015 00:21:09; trinque: fuck you, entire web | [23:05] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: So how was it that you found #b-a? | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | cuz dpb invited her over i'd bet. | [23:06] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: must order someone to copy it down for it << in 3 ring binders with those fancy tab-stickers | [23:07] |
Citizenfive | williamdunne: I've known of it and lurked periodically over the years. This marks the second time MP has personally invited me, and it'd be rude to not see why, at the least. | [23:08] |
Citizenfive | The question is why the second time; my guess is via this thread → https://twitter.com/AlekseiV/status/586780660553031680 | [23:08] |
assbot | this is awful http://t.co/R8WBYWGxof | [23:08] |
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Citizenfive | Which means MP, no longer on Twitter, still watches it (or someone noticed) | [23:09] |
Citizenfive | Which is smart | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | Citizenfive oh is it ? which was the 1st ? | [23:10] |
Citizenfive | Back when you were still on Twitter, several moons ago | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | fancy that. | [23:10] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: Welcome anyhow | [23:11] |
Citizenfive | Grazie | [23:12] |
Citizenfive | mircea_popescu: small world. Extremely so, though I guess bell curves and the size of the developed physical world explain most of it. | [23:21] |
Citizenfive | six degrees is more like two | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | this is concerning, because it has two possible explanations. one being that my intel sucks, the other being that the us is running out of people. | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | i can specifically measure the former. | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | as oft said here, the situation is so soviet it bleeds. | [23:22] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: People as if in people worth listening to, or people as if in humans? | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | well neither exactly. people as in people capable to listen to themselves. | [23:24] |
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mircea_popescu | !up Citizenfive | [23:27] |
-assbot- | You voiced Citizenfive for 30 minutes. | [23:27] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20590 @ 0.00031554 = 6.497 BTC [-] | [23:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58839 @ 0.0003169 = 18.6461 BTC [+] {2} | [23:34] |
Citizenfive | I believe there are few good English-speaking minds; those countries do too thorough a job of taking children with potential and delivering batteries (as in, the Matrix sort) into adulthood. There are few Ender Wiggin minds left by the age of 18. | [23:35] |
Citizenfive | It's not a grand conspiracy of course; there are no reptilian overlords, but the state of things is curiously perplexing. | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google ender wiggin | [23:36] |
gribble | Ender Wiggin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
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mircea_popescu | dude just how influential WAs that book. | [23:36] |
Citizenfive | Anyway I might as well register a key so you can quit voicing me manually. | [23:36] |
Citizenfive | Not influential enough. But then everyone thinks Hunger Games is omg so relevant! | [23:37] |
Citizenfive | Authors and sci-fi folks have been screaming this shit for years | [23:37] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: I'm probably one of the younger people here, and from my experience the biggest complaints are that any sort of discourse from rhetoric is largely discouraged, and you are given almost no freedom as to move outside the syllabus. | [23:38] |
Citizenfive | Those who notice the re-runs and recycled plots eventually wind up here, and a few other places where such minds go | [23:39] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: IIRC the hunger-games author though more democracy was the answer | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | like ? | [23:39] |
Citizenfive | Because the internet lets all minds who question these things find these places, QED (probably) there are fewer minds than we'd like | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne well, obviously it is the answer, just, not to any question worth asking. | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | "Over drinks last night, one of the beautiful young ladies in attendance brought up the question of ‘free will’ with me. " << eh petey... | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | this guy is like forever young. | [23:40] |
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Citizenfive | DEMOCRACY isn't actually a thing. Not in a meaningful sense. Hence every country is a democracy. A well-architected democratic republic has some neat features, for example. But democracy is kinda like an adjective. | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | eh, democracy is a thing, even if derpy iliterate muricans never bother to learn what the words mean. it's not gonna change what it is just because a bunch of people have nfi. | [23:42] |
Citizenfive | It is useful in describing something. Like the word modern. Modern car. Modern house. Modern, by itself, may or may not be useful. Modern art? | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | we could say that the meaning of democracy is fundamentally undemocratic. | [23:43] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: I completely agree; but I will assume they were going with the definition of diluting power to all, something along the lines of direct democracy | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | modern art is quite meaningful, yes. ever read the "what is art" thing ? | [23:43] |
Citizenfive | williamdunne: See! DIRECT democracy. Also an actual thing, and a meaningful phrase. "Democracy" in REAL english just means "good" or something. | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | "real" english just means democratic english, which is not english. | [23:44] |
Citizenfive | lol | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | english is THE KING'S english. | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile in orc speak, everything means the same and is spelled "urgh" | [23:45] |
Citizenfive | anyway I don't want to get lost into semantics; I think most here understand whatever system of governance the US has, it manages to masquerade as a democracy, and isn't a good system. Whatever that says about the word is less important to me. | [23:45] |
mircea_popescu | well you're right in that it would try and to thew same degree succeed to masquerade as anything else, including a teosophy. | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | any play's equally successful if played out for the goats. | [23:46] |
williamdunne | Citizenfive: Any system that provides people with the ability to voice and attempt to enact opinions they are not qualified to have is a bad idea in my books. The crowd has no wisdom, select actors with value behind them do. | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | which value you can only evaluate in a system that's actually open to idiots. | [23:48] |
Citizenfive | Right. And so long as people accept that God wrote the Bible because the Bible says so, or a democracy is good because a "democracy" says so, will miss questioning what any of those things ARE. | [23:48] |
mircea_popescu | what do you mean ARE. | [23:48] |
Citizenfive | literally or as a joke ref to Bill Clinton re: "IS" | [23:48] |
mircea_popescu | merely the fact that this question can be asked would seem to pull the rug from under yer feet eh. | [23:49] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103704 << definitely. | [23:50] |
assbot | Logged on 18-04-2015 01:00:47; trinque: williamdunne: I think the idea is eventually to have a full stack within the WoT | [23:50] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: My particular complaint is that while we can evaluate who has more value in this particular system, the people with value's opinions have no more weight in process than those without. Hence a large number of welfare whores/elderly having a lot of influence | [23:50] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne anyway, to do some positive work : democracy is the notion that what people think matters. the exact opposite of alf's favourite, "the cold equations" (which'd describe a republic). | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | there's really no alternative : either one or the other. republics fail because not enough spartans, democracies are all one because idiots are all one. cccp was a democracy too. | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | (literally) | [23:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59750 @ 0.00031554 = 18.8535 BTC [-] | [23:52] |
Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. And as a word, democracy seems to have too many contradictory definitions to be especially useful as a descriptor. If US = democracy, well, that's not good. If Switzerland = democracy, that's a bit better, though the consensus is that beast is a "DIRECT democracy". | [23:52] |
williamdunne | Would lack of governance not be the alternative? (or self-governance if that wording floats your boat). | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | Citizenfive can you distinguish between the "words don't matter" position and (mutatis mutandins), the "BUT it is called the “Worldwide Web” so there really is NO chance of any site being 100% secure" ? | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne suppose you have a five year old kid on your knees and she asks what happens if there's nothing in a box. "well... there'd be air" "no, not even air" | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | "so then a vacuum" "no, not even vacuum" | [23:54] |
trinque | Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | nigga... say wut ?! what "lack of governance" wonder be this, of the box so empty it doesn't even contain a vacuum ? | [23:54] |
Citizenfive | The trick is how to discuss democracy, then, when everyone has their own idea of what it means. Or any topic. I've found most arguments can be traced to the arguers somewhere having slightly different internal definitions for something. | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | trinque same. | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | Citizenfive the next trick to find is that you can get people quite bothered by carefully using their contributions to words. | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | also known as "the shit between their eyes" | [23:55] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Well, depends how we want to define governance | [23:55] |
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mircea_popescu | is it up to us ? | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | yes, governance by us is best governance. agreed. | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | now convince her. | [23:55] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103712 << why would you wish to be anonymous ? other than "because i've already lost the war". | [23:56] |
assbot | Logged on 18-04-2015 01:05:03; Citizenfive: But use OTR | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | if you've already lost the war, why are you derping with axes and shit. | [23:56] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: I wonder what was said internally at the SEC about your offer to govern the world of BTC assets? | [23:58] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103751 << by this token, one should not have sex. | [23:58] |
assbot | Logged on 18-04-2015 01:17:25; Citizenfive: Right now, too few users of the WoT know how to use it *properly*, so it's not super important to me at this time. When that changes, I will use it. | [23:58] |
mircea_popescu | !up Citizenfive | [23:58] |
-assbot- | You voiced Citizenfive for 30 minutes. | [23:58] |
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Citizenfive | Basically, all can be sorted out via Socratic roundtables — everyone looking to, fundamentally, prove themselves WRONG, rather than to prove themselves RIGHT. Eventually the people at the table find and exorcise their internal inconsistencies, and arrive together at Reality. | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | what are you, 19 ? | [23:59] |
Citizenfive | Do you believe in an objective reality, or is it subjective? | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | this is a rehash of "socialism will come once people are generous", which was a rehash of "christ will come once people are good". | [23:59] |
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