Forum logs for 16 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: pretty much! [00:00]
thestringpuller this is a new push for "Encryption as a Service" [00:00]
thestringpuller which is fucktarded to say the least [00:00]
pete_dushenski hey, if car cleaning is a service... [00:00]
thestringpuller << how can you even trust this? [00:01]
mircea_popescu car cleanning doesn't randomly switch your tires out with popsicles. [00:01]
thestringpuller ^- omg this [00:01]
pete_dushenski lol [00:01]
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pete_dushenski or line the doors with drugs and send you to "a friend's house" [00:02]
thestringpuller Is this really the only thing coming out of SXSW?!? [00:03]
mircea_popescu masturbation is fun [00:04]
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pete_dushenski thestringpuller: and some lulzy 'anti-robot' demonstration [00:05]
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pete_dushenski thx! [00:05]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: fun and productive! [00:06]
mircea_popescu sxsw! [00:06]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: you forgot Carrie First Bitcoin Pedicab Driver! [00:07]
pete_dushenski eh ? [00:07]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: mad! [00:08]
thestringpuller [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.0003221 = 7.972 BTC [+] [00:08]
thestringpuller she's already made a whole bitcoin in tipping! LOL. [00:08]
pete_dushenski not bad, not bad. [00:10]
cazalla wow, i want to punch that guy in the face after 5 seconds of that video [00:12]
pete_dushenski well, his fragile ego is but an angry tweet away [00:13]
pete_dushenski relevant: [00:14]
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assbot Celebrities Read Mean Tweets #8 - YouTube ... ( ) [00:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64650 @ 0.00032098 = 20.7514 BTC [-] {2} [00:18]
cazalla thestringpuller, i bet the majority of tips came from people who didn't even get a ride.. 1 btc, almost worth the time to contrive a similar video [00:18]
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BingoBoingo Some midnight Havelol rumors [00:55]
assbot HAVELOCK tried to BRIBE ME! ... ( ) [00:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00032767 = 18.3168 BTC [+] [00:57]
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ben_vulpes [02:53]
assbot when i saw this i realized all my friendships fake [02:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16004 @ 0.00031646 = 5.0646 BTC [-] {2} [03:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0142789 = 2.8558 BTC [+] {7} [03:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.00032821 = 21.2024 BTC [+] {2} [03:18]
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mircea_popescu !up aegis [04:05]
-assbot- You voiced aegis for 30 minutes. [04:05]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "errying LEGAL that touches x will touch you too!!11" omfg who let the shamans out of africa. [04:14]
mircea_popescu now we gotta contend with legavoodoo [04:14]
BingoBoingo Wurst Voodoo [04:15]
mircea_popescu in other news, nude dancer girl. [04:15]
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Vexual hey hey hey [04:22]
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Vexual pete_d did you see the total recall 3 tittie in negril? [04:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52354 @ 0.00031887 = 16.6941 BTC [+] [04:33]
Vexual me thinks one was a fat roll, but still.. [04:33]
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Vexual cant beat some bootleg ska [04:35]
Vexual banned on the internet and shit [04:36]
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cazalla fluffypony, are you vegan? [04:48]
fluffypony cazalla: no, my wife is [04:48]
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cazalla i just saw that pop by on twitter, that's why i ask :P [04:48]
fluffypony I love animals, but not enough to change my diet [04:48]
cazalla i love them too because they are so tasty [04:49]
Vexual ^ [04:53]
fluffypony lol [04:54]
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Vexual !up BingoBoingo [04:56]
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scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [05:00]
cazalla i sometimes wonder if the guys who set up these two bit exchanges get frustrated at having lost money after a year despite an expectation they would get bought out and so decide to just steal their users instead so they can sleep well at night thinking they got that illusive 6 billion dorrah google buy out [05:02]
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mircea_popescu just about. [05:07]
mircea_popescu if you go through the insanities they [used to] drop on the forum, the way unemployed/unemployable css derp sees the matter is, "he put 1000 hours worth 100 dollars each into the thing that is not really worth anything. so how about the users split the damage ?" [05:08]
mircea_popescu that his hours aren't worth anything isn't a point he's well inclined to grasp under torture, let alone figure out on his own. [05:09]
mircea_popescu that the site isn't worth anything FOR THAT REASON idem. [05:09]
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mircea_popescu Global Innovation 8:22 am 19 KiB Looking for $5M funding or above? [13:23]
mircea_popescu ahem. [13:23]
nubbins` actually i'm only looking for 4.9mn [13:28]
nubbins` i'll look elsewhere [13:28]
nubbins` mildly unrelated, if i can help it, pink eye will never accept funds or loans from outside investors [13:29]
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nubbins` oopsie [13:31]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski yo, did you see ? i guess it goes to ben_vulpes too. [13:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:31]
assbot Brenda Blog | ~ Not your average bitcoin girl ... ( ) [13:31]
nubbins` ;;calc 60*28 [13:31]
gribble 1680 [13:31]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: 'meep' electromagnetic... << i must confess that i never tried [13:32]
mircea_popescu nubbins` here's the kicker : "If your company meets theses requirements, fill in the form below and we'll be in..." [13:32]
nubbins` lel [13:32]
nubbins` requirements: must want $5mn+ [13:32]
ascii_field encryption-as-a-service << that has to be a piece from 'the onion' [13:32]
nubbins` marriage consummation as a service [13:32]
ascii_field ^ [13:33]
nubbins` ^ this, i WILL accept outside funding [13:33]
ascii_field supposedly, quasi-mythically, existed on some pacific island [13:33]
nubbins` was it the one where they used wood^H^H^H^Hstone bitcoin [13:33]
mircea_popescu ascii_field remember how some idiot was offering this in 2012 and we laughed him out ? well... the vc circus picked it up. because that's what they do, they feed off our offal. [13:33]
nubbins` [13:35]
assbot Imgur ... ( ) [13:35]
nubbins` pat canning, what an artist [13:35]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: her sense of humor is my cup of tea [13:37]
thestringpuller I wonder if she'll come to the conference [13:38]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: they feed off it, yes, and i suppose they split its atoms because they are very well-fed from it. [13:38]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i suspect hte answer is "definitely". [13:38]
assbot The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [13:38]
mircea_popescu hey, maybe you two could get together! token black guy with token TV hitching it at 3rd conference'd be the tits. [13:39]
nubbins` mircea_popescu "Bitcoin es una forma de arte superior" [13:40]
nubbins` now you know how i ended up here ;p [13:40]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i happen to agree, fwiwi. [13:40]
mircea_popescu ahahaha. so that makes three of us, like supermajority of those that got it ? [13:40]
nubbins` while i reserve the term "elegance" for things much, much simpler in execution than the flaming turdball of code, it completely applies to Bitcooin as a concept [13:41]
mircea_popescu well, let me put it this way : [13:42]
mircea_popescu you write a play, and this company wants to do it. they're an odd couple really, not much of a staging company. he's on three different mental meds, she's a crack whore. they make the scenery out of chewed up used tissue. [13:43]
mircea_popescu now, if your play manages to shine through all that and bring down the house [13:43]
nubbins` what a play it must be! [13:43]
mircea_popescu i'm calling it elegant. because fuck you, i'm a dragon and im out of words. [13:43]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it's rather reminiscent of the first h-bomb. the one that needed a dedicated building with h2 liquifaction cryoplant [13:44]
nubbins` no joke, in my cubicle life, the christmas social/dinner/dance was called (i'm really not making this up) an ELEGANZA. [13:44]
mircea_popescu ahahaha. buncha octogenarian canadians! [13:44]
ascii_field it is interesting to contemplate what 'cold war' would have looked like if the portable variant had never been built [13:44]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yup [13:44]
ascii_field where h-bomb is either a fat ship or stationary on land [13:44]
nubbins` stationary ones much less useful as offensive weapons [13:45]
mircea_popescu altho natural engineering has over software engineering this marked advantage, that the horse will throw you off, whereas epistula non erubescit. [13:45]
ascii_field nubbins`: not necessarily. can always build it in the enemy's capital, a bit at a time [13:45]
mircea_popescu ascii_field that only works in dreams. [13:45]
nubbins` worked for tiananmen square ;p [13:45]
nubbins` granted, that was a statue, not a compicated piece of machinery [13:46]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it works, sorta, if parts fit in diplo-pouches [13:46]
nubbins` lead-shielded diplo-pouches [13:46]
ascii_field (it is widely believed that us embassy in ru, and ru in us, contain nyookz) [13:46]
mircea_popescu it's not a matter of, couldn't, physically, be done. it's a matter of couldn't socially be done. [13:46]
mircea_popescu much the same reason vc idiots could do anything, choose to feed off our discarded tissue [13:46]
mircea_popescu (if anyone still wondered what the crab bus was a metaphor for) [13:47]
ascii_field what next, argue that dung beetle should eat fillet mignon? he does just fine with shit [13:47]
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mircea_popescu so do your people. [13:47]
mircea_popescu which is why they're not doing this, or any other of a number of plans that start with [13:47]
mircea_popescu "first, you need X smart, determined people" [13:47]
ascii_field l0l [13:48]
mircea_popescu the smart are undetermined. the determined are busy playing football. [13:48]
mircea_popescu only so much bw in the neural stem. [13:48]
nubbins` [13:48]
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nubbins` tardigrades make me feel funny [13:48]
ascii_field as al schwartz put it, 'don't invest if the conveyor has to be staffed with ph.d.'s' [13:48]
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nubbins`,9171,1001206,00.html [13:52]
assbot Was Russia Hiding an Atom Bomb at Embassy in Washington? - TIME ... ( ) [13:52]
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mircea_popescu almost htere. [13:53]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 12:15:49; danielpbarron: height=280974 vs height=210695 [13:53]
mircea_popescu << shut up it's handlasered. [13:53]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 12:27:22; nubbins`: "rare" = dark-roasted robusta o.O [13:53]
nubbins` haha [13:54]
nubbins` don't even get me started on the fucking civet coffee [13:54]
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nubbins` (know what doesn't produce good coffee? force-feeding cherries to parasite-infested weasels) [13:55]
mircea_popescu << seems to be working nao! [13:55]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 12:51:56; davout: o a scoopbot [13:55]
mircea_popescu << ahaha [13:56]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 12:57:47; nubbins`: FWIW, alex winter and keanu reeves are precisely Bill & Ted (of Excellent Adventure fame) [13:56]
mircea_popescu ascii_field : "Huge audience, mainstream production (Alex Winters directed and Keanu Reeves narrated) and the film was pro-Silk Road, anti-war on drugs, and pro-Ross Ulbricht" [13:56]
ascii_field wat. [13:56]
mircea_popescu there you go. culture war : won. only took like 3-4 years, too. [13:56]
ascii_field 'won' is when enemy sits down on stake [13:57]
mircea_popescu if anyone's not petrified in fear yet, it'd be because they're either innocent or an imbecile. [13:57]
mircea_popescu culture war not buttsex war yo. [13:57]
ascii_field not 'made fun of half-heartedly in film' [13:57]
mircea_popescu not what happened there by any stretch. [13:57]
nubbins` "mainstream production" [14:01]
nubbins` lel [14:01]
nubbins` [14:01]
assbot Alex Winter - IMDb ... ( ) [14:01]
nubbins` just look at all those things you've heard of [14:01]
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nubbins` !up ascii_field [14:09]
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nubbins` ;;calc 60*30 [14:09]
gribble 1800 [14:09]
nubbins` ascii_field you're set for the day [14:09]
nubbins` or until my computer sleeps [14:09]
ascii_field ty nubbins`. [14:10]
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nubbins` log would make a worthy tome, if one were able to sieve it first [14:10]
mircea_popescu << comes with bikini wax ? [14:10]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 15:08:58; dignork: Adlai: oh, forgot a standard robe. [14:10]
mircea_popescu nubbins` prolly bitcoin code easier. [14:10]
nubbins` nod [14:11]
nubbins` none of it really makes sense w/o vexual, for example [14:11]
nubbins` XD [14:11]
mircea_popescu << you'll prolly enjoy then [14:12]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 15:13:00; *: Adlai can't find the exact quote but some literary pundit, when asked "but isn't it great that kids are reading [harry potter] instead of watching TV?" responded that he'd rather they watch tv than read such garbage [14:12]
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mircea_popescu << austerastimulity. [14:12]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 15:31:30; PeterL: got a job offer today, pays 25% less than I was making before I got laid off :/ [14:12]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: argon << ultra-famous [14:12]
mircea_popescu ascii_field only among a tiny group :) [14:12]
ascii_field author confessed shortly before died, iirc [14:13]
nubbins` mircea_popescu peterL i took a 90% pay cut in 2013 when switching careers 8) [14:13]
mircea_popescu wasnt author like 17 at the time ? [14:13]
ascii_field sumthinglikethat [14:13]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so did i, but a decade prior. [14:13]
nubbins` makes you fight, neh? [14:13]
mircea_popescu of course pay was mostly hookers and blow anyway, best for health [14:13]
mircea_popescu my bp took a 50% intima cut. [14:13]
mircea_popescu i, in all honesty and no exageration whatsoever, averaged 220-230/110 bp for about a decade. [14:14]
mircea_popescu to the degree i had a heart specialist following me around. [14:14]
ascii_field like brezhnev, l0l [14:15]
mircea_popescu what srsly ? [14:15]
ascii_field aha [14:15]
ascii_field but he was, what, 80 [14:15]
mircea_popescu i did not know that. [14:15]
mircea_popescu weird. wild. [14:15]
ascii_field the doctor-following-around part [14:15]
ascii_field no idea what his vital stats were [14:15]
mircea_popescu oh [14:15]
mircea_popescu oddly enough it seems to have left no sechellae [14:16]
ascii_field mr o incidentally goes nowhere without ambulance, complete with blinkenlights [14:16]
mircea_popescu ya but he's an idiot. [14:16]
ascii_field afaik - sop [14:16]
ascii_field gwb had one for sure [14:16]
mircea_popescu also., [14:16]
nubbins` i thought that was because he couldn't stay away from the pretzels [14:17]
mircea_popescu who, brejnev ? [14:17]
nubbins` gwb [14:17]
nubbins` or, as he knew them, the dread PRETZELCOATL [14:17]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [14:17]
nubbins` feathered bread-monster of antiquity [14:18]
mircea_popescu anyway, im taking chetty out for sushi, ttyl. [14:18]
nubbins` remember: ceviche is only raw in name! [14:18]
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thestringpuller mod6: trap star just came on pandora. dat #tm101 [15:14]
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davout justusranvier seems to a whole new level in derpitude [15:43]
davout [15:43]
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trinque davout: deedbot doesn't announce URLs yet, so... *ding!* [15:44]
assbot ... ( ) [15:44]
davout trinque: gracias, pls to lemme know when it has a nice interface and rounded corners [15:45]
trinque soon as I find a moment for sanding [15:45]
davout does it also have a written procedure on how to verify deeds by hand? [15:47]
davout in other words, how do i access the bundle from a deed ? [15:48]
davout or was that URL a bundle and not just a deed? [15:48]
trinque that URL is a bundle [15:49]
trinque curl | sha256sum [15:49]
trinque that's what I'm using as the private key to generate the address [15:49]
davout alrighty [15:51]
davout ty! [15:51]
trinque no problem [15:52]
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davout trinque: looks like it all works correctly [16:08]
trinque davout: cool! glad to get someone else's eyes on it [16:09]
davout trinque: what happens if the same deed is submitted mutliple times? [16:17]
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davout question mainly being: can some random derp take already notarized deeds, and clog the pipes with them, because i assume deedbot will listen privately to deeds being submitted, as long as they're signed with a proper key amirite [16:22]
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trinque davout: it will only eat deeds signed by assbot's L1 or L2 [16:24]
trinque does not currently do anything to prevent the same signed messages from being submitted twice [16:25]
trinque imo might be best to just handle that with negrating abusers [16:25]
Adlai does it only accept deeds from authed members of L1/2 ? [16:25]
trinque hmmm... actually you guys have a point [16:27]
Adlai replay attacks would still be possible, but by limiting submissions to authed L<3, you at least have somebody to punish [16:27]
trinque this is why I've been running publish manually and seeing what people have added [16:27]
Adlai that's no way to run an automated system :P [16:28]
davout Adlai: you don't really want to depend on the submitter being authed i'd say [16:28]
Adlai you could also just drop duplicates [16:28]
trinque I could just turn off the PM support [16:28]
trinque and require all interaction be done here [16:28]
Adlai that has the advantage of accelerating shared learning [16:28]
davout turning off pm support would be the simplest way [16:29]
trinque Adlai | that's no way to run an automated system :P << that's how I *start* running any automated system I make [16:29]
* Adlai originally wrote 'no way to build', then choose 'run' intentionally [16:30]
trinque well, when you guys start paying me for this, I'll feel worse about it [16:30]
davout for every automatic thing, there's a computer doing it manually :D [16:30]
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Adlai and Cyberdyne Systems are justa buncha freedom fighters [16:34]
* Adlai ... is part of 'you guys'? :o [16:34]
Adlai last i checked, i'm the guy saying that the way mircea_popescu specified deedbot is silly [16:35]
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danielpbarron [16:43]
assbot you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash [16:43]
trinque was going to ask Adlai why he thought so, but.. vanished! [16:44]
trinque danielpbarron: openbsd lol? [16:45]
danielpbarron lol. [16:45]
trinque is that a markov tweetbot? [16:45]
trinque apparantly not [16:45]
danielpbarron found it from those articles bingo linked me to yesterday [16:48]
danielpbarron the guy apparently liked OpenBSD until he learned about Theo [16:49]
danielpbarron he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead [16:50]
danielpbarron because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something [16:50]
trinque having an opinionated ass at the top is a feature [16:50]
danielpbarron tried to get him to explain his position in here, but even IRC is on his hate list for being too old [16:51]
trinque may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished [16:51]
trinque << what the fuck are these slides [16:53]
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trinque the guy is illiterate [16:53]
trinque I guess he's trying to be cute? [16:53]
trinque scares me the kind of poorly tuned brains running around with fat stacks of USD [16:54]
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danielpbarron trinque, he didn't earn it; some uncle died and left it to him for the purpose of funding open source [16:55]
trinque oh god [16:55]
ascii_field may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa [16:55]
mats high drama [16:56]
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ascii_field possibly i ought to explain. point being that folks are vastly underestimating strength of the enemy [17:04]
ascii_field yes, '...the ogre cannot master speech' - but it's an ogre - a bloodthirsty giant [17:05]
ascii_field a still largely-intact giant, still walking around and smashing things [17:05]
ascii_field and on his shoulders armies of demented midgets ride [17:05]
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trinque ascii_field: from a perspective it's entirely irrational to have any hope at all; after all, one dies at the end. [17:08]
trinque not being flippant, it's a fact [17:08]
ascii_field trinque: the hope can only be about outliving the enemy [17:08]
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trinque given that, ogre or no, my mind will still hum battle songs of an army that does not yet exist [17:09]
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ascii_field because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something << reminds, of course, of: [17:17]
ascii_field !s stotting [17:17]
assbot 11 results for 'stotting' : [17:17]
ascii_field (which in my own mental habit i usually think of as 'peacocking', because it is an even more obvious animal to illustrate the concept with) [17:18]
ascii_field or mircea_popescu's 'sprezzatura' - for that matter [17:19]
ascii_field sorta wonder, i confess, if sprezzatura/stotting makes its appearance in overcrowded worlds 'that have no frontiers' [17:21]
ascii_field as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace (too many hills? swamp? use imagination) [17:21]
ascii_field so instead of actually racing, folks start to show off their strength by competing who can walk normally for the longest time with a knapsack full of crap [17:22]
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danielpbarron so apparently the weak point in the old iMacs was the hard drive [17:26]
danielpbarron two out of two i've looked at have bad disks; one doesn't think it even has a hard drive anymore [17:27]
ascii_field when buying old machine 1) backup bitwise 2) ssd [17:28]
ascii_field ( 1) is for boxes that need the vendor's turdware, naturally. can skip if not. ) [17:29]
danielpbarron i'm just now realizing that one looks tampered with -- the hard drive might have been removed by previous owner [17:30]
danielpbarron other than that they appear to work fine. xfce on openbsd is a nice fit with the apple style [17:31]
davout danielpbarron: iirc imacs have special disks with apple-specific temperature sensors or w/e [17:33]
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davout if you replace the stock one it'll keep the fan running thinking it's over heating [17:34]
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trinque ascii_field | as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace << starving for a real challenge; I think so [17:36]
trinque and mostly without knowing they are [17:36]
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trinque yeah that's interesting; it's a sort of degenerate state of a very healthy urge to have a pissing match [17:40]
ascii_field trinque: see old book, 'the human zoo', for a more complete version of this hypothesis [17:40]
ascii_field (d. morris) [17:40]
trinque ascii_field: found, ty [17:41]
trinque reminds me that the mongols had a slur to refer to city-dwellers [17:41]
trinque saw them as livestock [17:41]
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mircea_popescu not mine by any means. the duke of este's. [17:44]
ascii_field well yeah [17:44]
ascii_field but described in recent mircea_popescu article [17:44]
mircea_popescu :p [17:44]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_ so, i got logs ? [17:44]
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thestringpuller ascii_field: we are all meat puppets [17:46]
thestringpuller no one pulls their own strings [17:46]
mircea_popescu << yeah the blocks list as discussed!!11 [17:46]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 18:41:11; trinque: soon as I find a moment for sanding [17:46]
mircea_popescu << doens't really need any handling past that imo. [17:48]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:20:51; trinque: imo might be best to just handle that with negrating abusers [17:48]
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mircea_popescu << nope. listens in here. [17:49]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:18:07; davout: question mainly being: can some random derp take already notarized deeds, and clog the pipes with them, because i assume deedbot will listen privately to deeds being submitted, as long as they're signed with a proper key amirite [17:49]
mircea_popescu there's no "private notarization" [17:50]
mircea_popescu << he doesn't have teh authority to do that, tho. [17:50]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:23:51; Adlai: you could also just drop duplicates [17:50]
mircea_popescu << happens to be the exactly only correct way to run automated systems at first. [17:51]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:25:02; trinque: Adlai | that's no way to run an automated system :P << that's how I *start* running any automated system I make [17:51]
funkenstein_ mircea_popescu, big stack of logs for you. I keep them dry until you tell me where you want them. [17:51]
mircea_popescu splendid. specifically, what is it, 300k ? [17:51]
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mircea_popescu << nonsense. trust is not something that can be derived programatically. whether a guy is black or not, whether an institution is segregated or not has no impact on whether you can trust them. [17:53]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:38:54; assbot: you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash [17:53]
funkenstein_ and 300300.3003003 [17:53]
mircea_popescu << "almost donated" ? cool lol. [17:53]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:45:29; danielpbarron: he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead [17:53]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ cool. curious what comes of this. [17:54]
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funkenstein_ me too :) 100k blocks reached today, reward is 10 LOG per block [17:55]
mircea_popescu speaking of wood, [17:55]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you probably should get those various links fixed. [17:57]
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funkenstein_ in woodcoin documentation stuff? [18:00]
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funkenstein_ maybe i should make a real website [18:02]
mircea_popescu stuff [18:02]
assbot Index of / ... ( ) [18:02]
mircea_popescu was another one also linked there [18:02]
funkenstein_ taking links down, thanks [18:03]
funkenstein_ not my stuff there [18:04]
mircea_popescu << actually, being in a venue where "the medium is the message" is absolutely required for someone who has no message past being part of the median. [18:04]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:47:05; danielpbarron: tried to get him to explain his position in here, but even IRC is on his hate list for being too old [18:04]
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mircea_popescu << yes, but then again you're not a sadist, you're a masochist. [18:05]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 19:51:07; ascii_field: may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa [18:05]
mircea_popescu so you're just being optimistic in your own way :D [18:05]
mircea_popescu << essentially yes. it's a result of social dislocation at the top brought about by sudden technological advance that's poorly digested. [18:08]
assbot Logged on 16-03-2015 20:16:50; ascii_field: sorta wonder, i confess, if sprezzatura/stotting makes its appearance in overcrowded worlds 'that have no frontiers' [18:08]
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mircea_popescu i wonder how many times alf's been impersonated as ascii_field so far [18:09]
ascii_field 'masochist: whip me, whip me! sadist: no...' [18:10]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: impersonated... << the real one will presumably say something. ergo impostor, if impostor, is doing precisely what real one wishes. [18:10]
mircea_popescu hehe [18:10]
mircea_popescu so i'm going to rewrite tlp's short story with the druggie in a moment. [18:12]
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BingoBoingo he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead << That part seems to have been totally just a troll hob [18:18]
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BingoBoingo danielpbarron> trinque, he didn't earn it; some uncle died and left it to him for the purpose of funding open source << When someone seems this committed to a troll job you can't take them at face value [18:19]
funkenstein_ old fiat misallocated? stop the press [18:25]
funkenstein_ sometimes you have to celebrate if anybody at all gets to spend it [18:27]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [18:35]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.03, Best ask: 291.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 291.07, 24 hour volume: 23083.07900202, 24 hour low: 285.7, 24 hour high: 295.2, 24 hour vwap: None [18:35]
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scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [19:03]
BingoBoingo << Look who'd citing qntra nao [19:04]
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mircea_popescu btw, i finally found the source of that debate we had earlier as to how powerful a chimp is etc. [19:08]
mircea_popescu you see, when i see chimp i think of bonobos. which... whatever, you could eat one raw. [19:08]
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mircea_popescu you good folk apparently think of the robust chimp, the OTHER species of pan [19:08]
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BingoBoingo Oh, so you associated chimp with the harmless species that just lez's out all the time. [19:10]
mircea_popescu basically. [19:13]
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mircea_popescu would have never probably happened if phys antrhopologist person didn't read and go "dude, that's the other one!" [19:13]
mircea_popescu "what other one?!" [19:13]
mircea_popescu "you know, the one that's like a gorilla" [19:14]
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Adlai ;;google dance monkeys dance [19:16]
gribble Dance, Monkeys, Dance - Ernest Cline: ; Dance monkeys dance - YouTube: ; Dance, Monkeys, Dance - Ernest Cline - YouTube: [19:17]
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cazalla i swear if and when bitcoin hits astronomical heights, imma start the chimp ufc [19:31]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [20:29]
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asciilifeform << big moment in the history of that particular set of idiots. they will putter around with 'remote attestation' crap and will end with an inevitable 'most of the nodes are not True Nodes, a True Node is this here sealed crate from us, just plug it in' [20:49]
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funkenstein_ what do you think of Sergio's idea is that really possible? [20:51]
asciilifeform is it just me or is it hilariously funny that folks working with (or pretending to, whatever) with bitcoin - the only thing that ever solved 'sybil problem' -for the one case for which it is solvable- -- is spewing this kind of nonsense ? [20:51]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: anything involving hard time-bounds on a packet-switched net is lunacy [20:51]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: the real purpose of this 'proposal', if it has a purpose, is 'let's keep thinking about how to kill nodes not controlled by Phoundation' [20:52]
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funkenstein_ hmm my instinct was it didn't seem possible [20:52]
funkenstein_ he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them [20:53]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: have to understand that what comes out of these people makes considerably more sense once you understand what the one and only 'problem' they ever try to 'solve' really is. [20:53]
asciilifeform (to be fair, there are actually two of them. one is -- distracting actual people from actual work with the noise.) [20:54]
funkenstein_ guess they got us then :) [20:56]
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BingoBoingo what do you think of Sergio's idea is that really possible? << Serigo is great at inventing problems. So good that many of his suggested fixes are still bigger problems as in this case [20:57]
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funkenstein_ i think you have a point. seems like a really good abstract thinker but sometimes you want a dumb network [21:01]
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decimation asciilifeform: have you read some of the research under the heading "delay tolerant networking" [21:07]
BingoBoingo [21:08]
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decimation nasa spend money on usg think tanks to try to come up with a protocol that will magically switch between store-and-forward and low-latency as the channel permits [21:08]
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mircea_popescu jurov on it [21:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform forced mistakes are forced and mistaken. [21:09]
mircea_popescu he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them << you have to understand this is now, thanks to moldbug et all, an internet pose. [21:10]
mircea_popescu there's no substance to it past getting you to say that, just like there's no substance past oprah's skin color past getting black people to buy shit. [21:10]
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decimation < interestingly, 'gossip-based' has become a buzzword in some of this network research [21:13]
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mircea_popescu << ahahaha is it this fucking bad ?! [21:43]
assbot Wading In — Chapter 2, in which I remember why I hated this ... ( ) [21:43]
mircea_popescu "You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That’s not just an arbitrary rule, it’s implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signalling!” [21:43]
mircea_popescu this is a better meme than fu im a dragon. [21:44]
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mircea_popescu "I read the comments on an HPMOR chapter, which I recommend strongly against. I wish I could talk to several of the commentators, and gently talk them out of a poor financial decision. [21:47]
mircea_popescu Poor, misguided random internet person- your donation to MIRI/LessWrong will not help save the world. Even if you grant all their (rather silly) assumptions MIRI is a horribly unproductive research institute- in more than a decade, it has published fewer peer reviewed papers than the average physics graduate student does while in grad school." [21:47]
mircea_popescu aww. [21:47]
BingoBoingo The woodchipper fanfic was better [21:58]
mircea_popescu i am slowly and unpleasantly realising that there will be no end of these ignare cvasi-intellectuals. [22:00]
mircea_popescu every year shall bring more yarvin, yakudsky, yaranidiot. [22:00]
mircea_popescu i suppose it's unavoidable given an "educational system" that fails to teach anything but manages to impart absurd delusions of self worth and power, and completely destructured personal social relations. [22:01]
mircea_popescu nevertheless... good god, i need more hemlock. [22:02]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [22:02]
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mircea_popescu where the fuck are the people holding up signs with "you are stupid" to raise awareness ? [22:04]
mircea_popescu that's a topic that desperately needs awareness, the bezzle's nothing compared to the igzzle. [22:04]
mircea_popescu if you add all the money people think they're worth, and divide by all the value that actually exists, you only get a few degrees of magnitude out of the process. [22:04]
mircea_popescu however, if you add all the smarts people assign themselves and divide by the ... like i dunno, 5000 or so total iq points available for the bn or so english speakers, you roughly get infinity. [22:05]
mircea_popescu and THAT is sure as fuck not implied by the form of any part of any "hamiltonian", w r hamilton's reproductive organs included. [22:06]
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funkenstein_ fractional reserver brain power. just getting it. [22:24]
* funkenstein_ slow as fuck [22:24]
mircea_popescu exactly what it is. backed by nothing but the full faith and credit of the usg, in the shape of little bits of paper issued by Department of Harvard, The Stanford Agency scl etc. [22:27]
mircea_popescu and this schmuck didn't even go to school! [22:27]
funkenstein_ the paper belt [22:27]
mircea_popescu it's so fucking pervasive by now, they can extract it by simple aculturation. [22:28]
funkenstein_ the academic bullshit goes way back [22:28]
mircea_popescu never before have i realised the wisdom of the jews / early christians in keeping the books under key. [22:29]
funkenstein_ ? [22:30]
funkenstein_ just to make more of a challenge for us? [22:32]
mircea_popescu no, but because acquiring a monkey-ish familiarity with material is a trivial task, which will then prevent an ambitious and inexperienced actor from actually learning anything. [22:32]
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funkenstein_ hmm.. more likely they were just the same kind of people who enjoy their power as academics today [22:35]
mircea_popescu the same insane behaviour exhibited by "bitcoin entrepreneurs" as summed up in is what drives ykwhatever to falsely believe he has understood something about statistics / has anything meaningful to say [22:35]
assbot Who made this ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:35]
mircea_popescu "about science" [22:35]
mircea_popescu of course this argument falls apart once one considers that - according to various muppets cca 1900, "physics was a closed science", so by the logic above proposed everyone should be kept from nature itself as they muck it up. [22:36]
thestringpuller dr. funkenstein straight from george clinton's mothership [22:36]
mircea_popescu but still, hot damn, semidoctus is becoming a byword for homo interneticus. [22:37]
funkenstein_ the bigger the headache the bigger the pill [22:37]
funkenstein_ you give us a chance we will get it wrong. that's why it is so important to have those stupid signs up you mentioned. [22:38]
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thestringpuller re: who made this - "How did you get this show?" "Carrot Top turned it down." [22:45]
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mircea_popescu lol [22:51]
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* asciilifeform would point out that 'turned into small cat' does not have to violate conservation laws if cat is peculiarly dense, or if the excess mass had been teleported a room away (which in itself does not have to violate conservation) -- but this is probably not what the thing was about [23:20]
mircea_popescu actually the cat doesn't even have to be dense per se, it could just be very hot. [23:21]
mircea_popescu or... spinning real fast. [23:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more.. << give the charlatans some credit here. yudkowsky, for instance, carefully disassembled the broken husk of christianity and soldered all the loose pieces together in a way that it sorta runs again for folks on the right half of bell curve [23:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have little to no evidence of this. all i see is the text, and the text is truely appalling. [23:23]
mircea_popescu yes, maybe he writes like an idiot on purpose. [23:23]
asciilifeform he convinced folks with some education in the physical sciences, even to believe in immortality ('ancestor sims', 'nanotech'); deities ('jupiter brains', 'superintelligence') and even immortal soul ('coherent extrapolated volition') [23:23]
asciilifeform he writes 'down' to the audience [23:23]
asciilifeform to reel people in [23:24]
mircea_popescu it seems improbable, much like crack whores are rarely sober actresses practicing. [23:24]
asciilifeform the man knows precisely what he's doing [23:24]
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mircea_popescu listen, a large crowd of bearded idiots following the child prophet is no proof of the child's anything. [23:24]
asciilifeform in fact, he is so confident that he's been known to accept public debate. might even show up here if somebody really wants. [23:24]
mircea_popescu it's just proof that people are endlessly stupid on their own terms. [23:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not going by the crowd, but by having actually read everything the fella wrote 1997-2009 or so [23:25]
mircea_popescu debate as to what ? there's no point of contention. [23:25]
asciilifeform the only point i can see in contention is whether mr y 'drinks own kool-aid' or not [23:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform are you saying he's just a very inept writer of [fan]fiction ? [23:25]
mircea_popescu lol that'd be a debate. which side is he to take ? [23:25]
asciilifeform possibly the 'has' ? [23:26]
asciilifeform (it would be interesting if not!) [23:26]
asciilifeform the fanfic thing is one of the pieces i have -not- read. [23:26]
mircea_popescu ah. [23:26]
asciilifeform so cannot comment usefully. [23:26]
mircea_popescu it's... bad. it's bad in a literary sense, and it's arguably worse in a science sense. [23:26]
mircea_popescu one could read treatises on learned topics written by anonymous americans cca 1800 to about the same effect. [23:27]
mircea_popescu heavy on the sauce, no real meat to speak of. [23:27]
asciilifeform mr y seems quite clever so long as he has the sense to stay away from actual mechanisms and physical world in general where if 'your hands grow from your arse' you tend to lose them in the gears. [23:27]
asciilifeform story time: [23:28]
asciilifeform mr y had... a programming language! cooked up in his days of being a self-important kid with just a few dozen cult followers [23:28]
mircea_popescu did it have submarines ? [23:28]
asciilifeform it was rather like a bad ('70s-style) lispalike with xml (yes, xml) for all forms [23:28]
asciilifeform for all expressions, rather [23:28]
asciilifeform xml in place of sexprs. [23:29]
asciilifeform thing was called 'flare' [23:29]
mircea_popescu i guess... [23:29]
asciilifeform and you will not see any of his groupies mention it. ever. [23:29]
asciilifeform (did i mention his 'human-equivalent ai' was to be written in it? this is, of course, before he pronounced fatwa on anyone contemplating such a thing) [23:29]
mircea_popescu lol you know the portrait that emerges is exactly that of the sort of kid i'd bust the nose of within a coupla days of being introduced ? [23:30]
asciilifeform the thing he's very good at is plagiarism [23:30]
mircea_popescu < this thing ? [23:30]
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asciilifeform and ends up seeming quite clever by lifting various ideas and 'explaining' [23:30]
mircea_popescu it just sounds like, where's that 2nd hand source brb [23:30]
asciilifeform ;;google detached lever fallacy [23:31]
gribble Detached Lever Fallacy - Less Wrong: ; Category:Fallacies - Lesswrongwiki: ; Magic - Lesswrongwiki: [23:31]
asciilifeform ^ example [23:31]
mircea_popescu "I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An [23:31]
mircea_popescu d I’m too intelligent to look up to my parents the way that children are designed to do. My parents love me, but they don’t feel obliged to respond to reason, and sometimes I feel like they’re the children - children who won’t listen and have absolute authority over my whole existence. I try not to be too bitter about it, but I also try to be honest with myself, so, yes, I’m bitter. [23:31]
mircea_popescu then merge that with the "i failed and so nobody else should try it!" reversal of the "i tried and thus no one should criticize me" insanity... [23:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know that's an age honored thing in usia. which is why all the brouhaha over "intelle;ctual property" and "bla bla theft" is so funny for people who aren't either born yesterday or to stupid parents in the great plains. srsly, someone stole from murica ? what, christmas ? [23:32]
asciilifeform 'always it is the thief who cries - stop, thief!' or how did it go [23:33]
mircea_popescu that's what ted is, but it didn't start there. that's what is and what mormonism is and puritanism and the us army and generally... [23:33]
assbot Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:33]
mircea_popescu it's all lifted. [23:33]
mircea_popescu or as that romanian dude put it, "hai c-am furat un negativ" [23:33]
asciilifeform in all fairness, how could it be anything else? not being a historic culture and all [23:34]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong with it, as a process, but the acultural approach to it... o brother. [23:34]
mircea_popescu right, that's what i;m saying. obviously cunt gets pounded. but all the pretense around it ? y ? [23:34]
mircea_popescu "Jumping off the [23:35]
mircea_popescu extensibility of XML, [23:35]
mircea_popescu the flexibility of the underlying [23:35]
mircea_popescu representation enables Flare to do [23:35]
mircea_popescu several fundamental things in [23:35]
mircea_popescu fundamentally different ways." [23:35]
mircea_popescu ^ check it out, it allowed them to mix text with display rules, because xml. [23:35]
asciilifeform obligatory naggumism: ''It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'' [23:36]
mircea_popescu domain donated courtesy of [23:36]
mircea_popescu o.O [23:36]
mircea_popescu "Flare is based on XML. In dialects of LISP, both the program and the program data are represented as lists. In Flare, the program and program data, and ideally the program state, are all represented as well-formed XML. Because XML is annotative (additional sub-elements can be easily added to any parent element without destroying the structural integrity of existing data) and extensible (new sub-element types can be [23:37]
mircea_popescu easily created), these properties are shared by Flare objects and Flare programs." [23:37]
mircea_popescu this just broke my head. seriously ?! [23:37]
mircea_popescu in what complang is it the case that you can't add stuff to code ?! [23:38]
asciilifeform ^ the stuck-capslock 'LISP' is an almost foolproof leper's bell of folks whose knowledge of the subject comes from 1970s encyclopaedia article [23:38]
asciilifeform (no one who actually programs in any lisplike thing whatsoever, will ever write it out that way - the fingers simply won't do it) [23:39]
mircea_popescu how old was he when doing this flare thing ? [23:39]
mircea_popescu If the Flare interpreter knows that "human" is a class defined in the module "people", then it knows to expect that the tag "arms" refers to an instance member with numeric content. This is how the Flare interpreter knows that 2 means the number 2 and not the string "2". [23:39]
mircea_popescu ^ almost as painful to read as his fiction. [23:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in the parlance of folks who actually program computers on occasion - 'blocks of code are a first-class object' is the claim. which is true for all lisp-family [23:40]
mircea_popescu is the above quote included in your "read all" ? [23:40]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: last i saw this crap, it was a series of forum posts... [23:40]
* asciilifeform out of the loop for a good long spell [23:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the language is the message, here. guy's not writing down to anyone but himself. [23:40]
asciilifeform i don't even know that this brochure was crapped out by mr y himself [23:41]
mircea_popescu "Not written by Dmitriy Myshkin." [23:41]
mircea_popescu in any case, .ro space has a coupla of these, "artists" that wish to be philosophers/scientists. the result is endless lol fountain. [23:41]
asciilifeform in the spirit of mrs. ceausescu ? [23:42]
mircea_popescu nah, in the spirit of mr pecuchet [23:42]
mircea_popescu ceausescu was a shoemaker. [23:42]
asciilifeform thinking of the woman [23:44]
mircea_popescu ah. she was a common whore. [23:44]
mircea_popescu unlike argentina's, she wasn't pretty, either [23:44]
mircea_popescu (tho i don't find evita peron pretty, but hey) [23:44]
asciilifeform whore who walked around collecting 'honorary diplomas' in chemistry [23:44]
mircea_popescu point being, artist. [23:44]
asciilifeform while actual chemists cringed, bit tongues [23:45]
mircea_popescu i dunno if you know this sort - often comes out at the beach. tall, good looking kid, not a jock, has learned some poetry and gazes into the distance a lot. [23:45]
mircea_popescu sorta emo-precursor. [23:45]
decimation re: education < < apparently Thiel were educated in a Montessori school (which was a crazy idea invented by a random italian chick) to let kids decide for themselves "how to be schooled" [23:45]
assbot The Techies Who Are Hacking Education by Homeschooling Their Kids | WIRED ... ( ) [23:45]
mircea_popescu very successful with a certain age range, mostly because well... the gals are itching for a trashing, but also kinda affraid it may hurt. [23:45]
asciilifeform decimation: iirc 'montessori' is done to very young, elementary grade pupils only [23:46]
mircea_popescu yeah, it's extended kindergarten [23:46]
mircea_popescu (dunno about yer lands, but that's exactly how kindergarten was done when i was 5ish) [23:46]
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decimation heh no they do high school now [23:47]
mircea_popescu nuts. [23:47]
mircea_popescu ok alf, I got it. here it is : [23:48]
mircea_popescu This whole conversation feels ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE. [23:48]
mircea_popescu [...] [23:48]
mircea_popescu I’m not sure why you’d use persuasion/marketing as a shiny metaphor for science, other than its the theme of this chapter. ”If you know science you can manipulate people as if you were literally in control of them” seems like a broad, and mostly untrue claim. [23:48]
decimation exampe > [23:48]
assbot School of the Woods - Montessori - Established 1962 - preK thru 12 Education ... ( ) [23:48]
mircea_popescu so your theory'd be, fitting with the above, that this is what they called a "sensitive child" who is trying to assuage his existential vertigo by "taming" [pseudo]science to play the role of a sort of marketing ? [23:49]
asciilifeform approximately. [23:49]
mircea_popescu reads to me more like a cry for help. [23:50]
mircea_popescu "mommy look how fucking stupid i'm being, help me!" [23:50]
asciilifeform whatever it was a cry for, it werked - mr y has a rotating harem, a flat in san fran, and a phoundation to invoice for the lot - and i don't [23:51]
asciilifeform so yes, i l0l, but sc4mz0r sp4mz like a pr0 [23:51]
mircea_popescu what's a rotating harem ? [23:52]
asciilifeform the kind mircea_popescu has [23:53]
mircea_popescu wait. wut ? [23:53]
asciilifeform where younger gurlz rotated in, etc [23:53]
* asciilifeform not sure of the correct term of art [23:53]
mircea_popescu you're basically saying he's having a lot of sex ? [23:53]
asciilifeform sex he doesn't have to go shopping for [23:53]
* asciilifeform again not sure of the term of art [23:53]
mircea_popescu might be "dating" [23:54]
decimation re: "intelle;ctual property" < I spoke with a patent examiner once, she said that she often was 'paid a visit' by pharma/medical people who were under the mistaken impression that their devices were still under patent [23:54]
decimation when it had long ago expired [23:54]
asciilifeform wai wat [23:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm tryin' to follow! [23:55]
asciilifeform (no one remotely connected with the filing of an american patent is under any doubt whatsoever regarding expiration thereof) [23:56]
mircea_popescu "I enjoy speaking at financial firms on human rationality." << there, your mystery's solved. he's doing the entertainment for vc teambuilding events. [23:56]
decimation asciilifeform: she said they would have long conversations where they were apparently mistaken about this [23:56]
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mircea_popescu so is, for instance, her : [23:58]
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decimation mircea_popescu: snake-oil sales for 'business seminars' is quite big business [23:58]
asciilifeform if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation [23:58]
mircea_popescu well... you gotta put something up, you know ? gavin can't run to all of them in his satoshi costume [23:59]
asciilifeform and - it works [23:59]
mircea_popescu and out and out nudity is more of a terrorism&money laundering trope than anything [23:59]
asciilifeform (-somebody- is paying his bills) [23:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he could say the same about you. [23:59]
asciilifeform exactly the same [23:59]
decimation re: mr y. < are you sure it's gurlz instead of boyz? [23:59]
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