Forum logs for 15 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91584 @ 0.00032698 = 29.9461 BTC [+] [00:16]
danielpbarron ah i thought that whaleclub sounded familiar; i talked to those guys when they were on google hangouts one time [00:19]
assbot Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "@flibbr You should better be chatting in #bitcoin-assets." ... ( ) [00:19]
danielpbarron oh huh, assbot grabbed the selected tweet that time.. inconsistent bastard! [00:20]
danielpbarron "I would do but I don't really have time for IRC tbh. . and as a communication vehicle find it too inefficient." [00:20]
danielpbarron the guy was trying to convince me that the price was effect by the moon [00:21]
danielpbarron [00:22]
assbot What if /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash price goes up during a down moon cycle? /BitcoinBravo /hashtag/moon?src=hash /hashtag/parabolic?src=hash [00:22]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [00:35]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 283.57, Best ask: 283.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 283.7, 24 hour volume: 18127.28269587, 24 hour low: 281.55, 24 hour high: 287.6, 24 hour vwap: None [00:35]
thestringpuller the price drops 10 bucks and people freak out now? [00:35]
ben_vulpes who's freaking out? [00:36]
thestringpuller /r/bitcoin ofc [00:38]
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thestringpuller "we were so close to 300" [00:40]
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danielpbarron i have mixed feelings about the price going up, but generally i'd rather it not seeing as how I'd like more opportunity to get it cheap [00:41]
danielpbarron !up Bagels7 [00:43]
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danielpbarron ;;later tell jurov found my btc-dev-request email in my spam folder "Why is this message in Spam? It is in violation of Google's recommended email sender guidelines. Learn more" [00:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:46]
BingoBoingo sounds more like a gay spat than anything, two people who figured "they" were the embassy or something. << If this was their opening it wouldn't make the cut. But the part where it is closing isn't. Everything else is hedged appropriately. [00:47]
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Bagels7 Oh dpb, why did you voice me, you know everyone here is way smarter than me, well at least the regulars [00:47]
thestringpuller Bagels7: that means you're smart too by Socratic-ish logic tho. [00:50]
ben_vulpes hey Bagels7 [00:53]
danielpbarron well you were smart enough to buy trilema credits [00:54]
danielpbarron !up ColdHardMetal [00:54]
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Bagels7 yeah I figure I'll be totally brainwashed by the time i have 9k credits left, it already triggers me in a state of mind where I think I deserve to be abused and started to have relationship issues [01:02]
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danielpbarron well i'm at 8.8k and i'm full blown brainwashed if you ask anyone on the forums [01:03]
Bagels7 probably for the best in your case of anarchist passions and social idiocy [01:04]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: 17.9k but I didn't pay for them [01:04]
danielpbarron from what? 20k? [01:04]
thestringpuller something like that. got them in 2013 when I recovered a Eulora post I had cached [01:05]
thestringpuller and everyone says mircea_popescu is a big meanie head [01:05]
danielpbarron is it like.. bad to admit actually paying for them or something? [01:05]
thestringpuller i bought my first 5k or so [01:06]
thestringpuller but now I have more than I'll ever need. [01:06]
danielpbarron i actually paid for someone else's credits one time -- a total stranger. the guy at the local juice bar who expressed interest in bitcoin and started talking about mining dogecoin [01:06]
danielpbarron i was like.. "nonono go here instead, i'll pay for it" [01:07]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: how nice of you! hopefully n00b isn't buying Scrypt ASIC tho [01:07]
thestringpuller kid at my last job was into Dogecoin for the lulz but the second he purchased a scrypt ASIC I was like "well...uh, this is a lost cause..." [01:08]
Bagels7 Hi, I am good at math. Any free career advice to spare? [01:11]
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BingoBoingo !up Bagels7 [01:13]
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thestringpuller Bagels7: that's mike_c 's domain [01:14]
BingoBoingo Bagels7: Well, amphetamine habit helped rocketship Erdos's career [01:14]
BingoBoingo !Up tank100 [01:14]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: hugs not drugs [01:15]
Bagels7 well i was planning on buying bitcoins but instead ended up homeless and smoked crack, jee i hope thats not too personal [01:15]
BingoBoingo Plenty of people have made that mistake [01:15]
Bagels7 i have a client who says working for ubisoft is boring but it pays well [01:15]
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thestringpuller At least free health insurance in Canada [01:16]
Bagels7 is that for people with real jobs, I need a crown and root canals which will be over 2000 dollars (1500 USD) but im in the xenophobic quebec part. This province is some sort of dictatorship board that drains the country [01:24]
BingoBoingo Bagels7: Extractions and dentures would be cheaper [01:30]
Bagels7 im 26! I cant have dentures! [01:31]
BingoBoingo Bagels7: Most of my Brother's "clients" he fits for dentures are around 35 [01:32]
cazalla Bagels7, how do you afford the drugs but not dental work? [01:35]
cazalla BingoBoingo, you and pulling teeth, i swear! [01:36]
Bagels7 well i havent done crack in 19 months, at the time i got lucky with calls i guess and it's not like i had the cash all at once [01:37]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Went out to dinner with the brother tonight, and he was talking shop. [01:37]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47456 @ 0.00032419 = 15.3848 BTC [-] [01:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100176 @ 0.00032641 = 32.6984 BTC [+] [02:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135150 @ 0.00032262 = 43.6021 BTC [-] {3} [02:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00032909 = 15.1052 BTC [+] {2} [02:53]
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mats TIL ollydbg has code execution bugs [03:16]
mats also TIL how to debug a debugger ... [03:17]
* mats smacks head [03:17]
ben_vulpes softwaaaaaaare [03:18]
ben_vulpes von neumann did nothing wrong [03:18]
Adlai << guy knows damn well what he did [03:20]
assbot ... ( ) [03:20]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [03:34]
gribble Current Blocks: 347672 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 1095 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 7 hours, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46835794093.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.24772 [03:34]
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ben_vulpes << moar naggum [03:40]
assbot Erik Naggum — A Long, Painful History of Time ... ( ) [03:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78683 @ 0.0003258 = 25.6349 BTC [-] [03:56]
BingoBoingo << 13 years old nao [04:08]
assbot Linux vs. OpenBSD ... ( ) [04:08]
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BingoBoingo !up HostFat [04:15]
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BingoBoingo Hello HostFat [04:15]
HostFat hi [04:15]
BingoBoingo What is up? [04:17]
HostFat I'm sick :) [04:18]
HostFat I hope to be better on monday [04:19]
BingoBoingo Everyone is sick. There's just an incredible variety of sick people experience. [04:19]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: [04:21]
assbot The Open Source Mullet ... ( ) [04:21]
BingoBoingo Further troll lol lolls [04:24]
assbot Bloggix: A Unix for Web Logs ... ( ) [04:24]
mircea_popescu << some weird shit. irc is a degree of magnitude more efficient than email. which certainly beats phones/skype/mumble/we [04:32]
assbot Logged on 15-03-2015 03:16:26; danielpbarron: "I would do but I don't really have time for IRC tbh. . and as a communication vehicle find it too inefficient." [04:32]
mircea_popescu << o.O trilema does that ? [04:33]
assbot Logged on 15-03-2015 03:58:03; Bagels7: yeah I figure I'll be totally brainwashed by the time i have 9k credits left, it already triggers me in a state of mind where I think I deserve to be abused and started to have relationship issues [04:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101252 @ 0.00032801 = 33.2117 BTC [+] {2} [04:33]
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mircea_popescu << i remember that. [04:34]
assbot Logged on 15-03-2015 04:00:47; thestringpuller: something like that. got them in 2013 when I recovered a Eulora post I had cached [04:34]
mircea_popescu << probably get into lisp. [04:35]
assbot Logged on 15-03-2015 04:07:15; Bagels7: Hi, I am good at math. Any free career advice to spare? [04:35]
mircea_popescu [04:38]
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mircea_popescu (We can only be glad there is no daylight loan time, or we would face decades of too much daylight, only to be faced with a few years of total darkness to make up for it.) [04:41]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [04:41]
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cazalla gee i hate dobermans [04:51]
mircea_popescu why ? [04:52]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell danielpbarron << I have a feeling you would love this reading material [04:53]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:53]
assbot ... ( ) [04:53]
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mircea_popescu lilz [04:54]
assbot OPENBSD FACT CHECK: USE OR NOT USE TEST ... ( ) [04:54]
mircea_popescu this guy's not bad at his trollboxing. [04:54]
cazalla mircea_popescu, the neighbour of cousins i use to play with often as a kid owned 2 of them.. inevitably when playing cricket, a ball would go over the fence and we'd have a discussion of who was going over the fence to get it [04:55]
mircea_popescu hehe myeah. [04:55]
mircea_popescu still, good role model for women. [04:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00032193 = 2.8008 BTC [-] {2} [04:56]
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[]bot Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " [04:58]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's a good example of practicing the long troll [04:59]
mircea_popescu yup. at apple fanboism since what, 2001 ? [04:59]
mircea_popescu wins tho. [04:59]
assbot Bloggix: A Unix for Web Logs ... ( ) [04:59]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: OSX fanboism since the birth of OSuX [05:00]
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mircea_popescu [05:01]
assbot Appeals court upholds Grant Hayes murder conviction | News & Observer News & Observer ... ( ) [05:01]
mircea_popescu i suppose different grant hayes ? [05:01]
BingoBoingo The trollaxorguy seems to ape what everyone suspects to be Mr. E. S. Raymond's id almost perfectly [05:02]
mircea_popescu hm. [05:03]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell danielpbarron Remember if you read that archive that Until Theo forked OpenBSD into being that public CVS read access wasn't a thing anywhere yet. 1994 was a helluva year [05:05]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:05]
mircea_popescu this is true [05:06]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Loves Apple. Only cares about source being available. Hates Linux in practice. Been keeping up the blog forever and posting rather infrequently. Almost has to be ESR. [05:06]
mircea_popescu in fairness, i suppose the burning hatred of usg and its many agencies (such as apple) that informs us is really a very novel thing. [05:07]
[]bot Bet placed: 1.05566955 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $35 before June " Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.15566955 BTC. Current weight: 99,991. [05:07]
mircea_popescu heck, it couldn't even have been meaningfully articulated pre bitcoin anyway [05:07]
mircea_popescu and i doubt it existed to any degree before maybe 2003 or so. [05:07]
mircea_popescu people who formed their ideas about the world prior - be it jws or esr or anyone else, would show remarkable blindness to the relevant issues, which are exactly above. [05:08]
BingoBoingo I had a dislike of intel since reading about the pentium III serial number in a magazine well before I had any computer. [05:08]
ben_vulpes kids on the internet pre 2001 are the only useful ones, provided they didn't form opinions until 2003? [05:09]
mircea_popescu but of intel for intel's own sake, as an independent thing. not of intel for usg-intel, something intel itself could never, ever fix. [05:09]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nuts huh ? [05:09]
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funkenstein_ is that true? i thought maybe it was just me being clueless before then [05:09]
mircea_popescu but it's not at all what i meant. i just meant, it's to be expected, and as far as possible excused, that people old enough wouldn't immediately see where the fox is at. [05:09]
mircea_popescu !up odyjm [05:09]
-assbot- You voiced odyjm for 30 minutes. [05:10]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_ hm ? [05:10]
ben_vulpes i began to seriously form opinions in 2004 iirc [05:11]
ben_vulpes granted, retarded opionions unhoned by anything. [05:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd, and never bought intel again. the number thing played a part. [05:12]
BingoBoingo For the record this is the meat of the last message on a mailing list to theo before other people started resigning around him with nowhere to go: What i am concerned about: (1) if you're going to be working on a large portion of the source tree, e.g. the sparc port or large amounts of code outside of it, you need to be in "reasonable touch" with us. Do you think that will be difficult for you or us to do? (2) I want to be _sure_ [05:12]
BingoBoingo that you in no way annoy, ruffle, tweak, perturb, piss off, piss on, bugger, etc., any users, developers, or potential developers of NetBSD, unless they specifically ask you to. That's what got us to this point to begin with, really. Do you think you can manage _that_? I.e. are you willing to "just say no" to flaming people, however idiotic they may be? [05:12]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ pls to not privately ty. [05:13]
funkenstein_ 02:24:04 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, yo funkenstein_ how much woodcoins does a btc buy me ? <-- a couple percent of them all [05:13]
mircea_popescu how many are there ? [05:13]
funkenstein_ about 6 million [05:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you sent that ? [05:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: At the time I just had a gut discomfort with the idea of computing machines being distinuishable in that way. Felt processors of type and rating should be fungible. [05:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No, from reading history. [05:14]
mircea_popescu aha [05:14]
funkenstein_ that doesn't sound the the Theo reputation [05:14]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ and what's the cap again ? or was there a cap ? [05:14]
assbot ... ( ) [05:15]
* mircea_popescu positively loves how much reading teh b-a cultists are doing. [05:15]
funkenstein_ cap is 28 million but it will take a very long time to get there ;) [05:15]
mircea_popescu so a bitcoin buys me you say 100k or so out of the 28mn total, 6mn current ? [05:15]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: This was from back when Theo was a serf attached to a project some derps forked off of 4.4BSD lite, and the only alternative was the still less functional FreeBSD fork. [05:16]
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funkenstein_ yes, but unlikely we will ever see even 14m [05:18]
funkenstein_ boingo, pre openbsd then? [05:19]
mircea_popescu "Finally, it is clear that for the project to be a success, we must promote a positive environment for both users and developers. If we continue to allow you, an official representative of the NetBSD project, to behave in this manner, we create the perception that we approve of your behaviour. That perception is damaging to the project and cannot be allowed to persist." [05:19]
mircea_popescu basically, de radt got rhodesia'd out of bsd. this is coherent with the summary i recall. [05:19]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: Yes, still by a few years [05:20]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you fluent in chinese ? [05:20]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1/0.00000311 [05:21]
gribble 321543.40836 [05:21]
funkenstein_ hardly. I spent some time there though, can get around. [05:22]
mircea_popescu aha [05:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yes but it is nice to read the emails and have names Hero Adam Glass quit NetBSD because he couldn't take Theo being shitgnomed in the name of politeness. Chris G Demetriou was the avatar of politeness who contacted theo on the importance of avoiding STFU in the name of adoption [05:22]
funkenstein_ empirically the worlds easiest language [05:22]
mircea_popescu nubbins` swears the same re korean. [05:22]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ so how do you feel about being my log broker ? [05:23]
funkenstein_ i'd be interested to hear that argument. my evidence is simply the number of people who have learned it. [05:23]
funkenstein_ wood be honored :) [05:23]
BingoBoingo 1990's NetBSD seems almost the canonical example of a poor heirarchy hindering an Open Source effort [05:24]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ kay, so : post a btc address, i'll send you a btc, buy logs at 333 per. should get you 300k or so. you can hold on to them for me. [05:24]
mircea_popescu "We regret having to do this, because you have done a significant amount of very good work for the project. In spite of that, we can no longer condone your behaviour." [05:24]
mircea_popescu dude... this shit. i simply fail to comprehend how this works. [05:24]
mircea_popescu so... you own a team, which you paid for, but we will revoke the title because you said nigger. [05:25]
mircea_popescu welll wtf ?! [05:25]
mircea_popescu why would anyone a) wish to do any work for these folks or b) hold title issued by them in any regard ? it's nil. [05:25]
BingoBoingo And yet Open Source is the most political thing this millenium: That's good. Frankly, neither do we, nor have we ever. Politics is a waste of time, for the most part. [05:26]
mircea_popescu pffff. [05:26]
mircea_popescu "politics is a waste of time" is the sister idiocy to "i don't feel math is useful for real life". [05:26]
mircea_popescu same dumb, in different css. [05:26]
chetty [05:27]
assbot Pack of hounds attack Chinese man's car after he kicks sleeping dog - Asia - World - The Independent [05:27]
BingoBoingo "politics is a waste of time" is the sister idiocy to "i don't feel math is useful for real life". << Seriously, shares most of the same stakes as war, but minus bloodshed [05:27]
mircea_popescu chetty haha dogs republic! [05:28]
BingoBoingo dude... this shit. i simply fail to comprehend how this works. << At the time there were two BSD source branches of note. Derp(free)BSD swiftly went off the rails. Herp(Net)BSD aknowledged the non-i386 world. Either way to even read the "Open" source you needed an in. Theo's WoT allowed him to read Herp. [05:29]
BingoBoingo Instead of Derp [05:29]
BingoBoingo Historical accident [05:30]
cazalla BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd <<< and so i ask that whatever problems there are with intel, why is AMD not affected? [05:30]
mircea_popescu my boggle was related to the "you have done work, but we don't like your style of clothing, you're fired". [05:30]
mircea_popescu cazalla this was 1998ish mind. [05:30]
BingoBoingo my boggle was related to the "you have done work, but we don't like your style of clothing, you're fired". << AH [05:30]
mircea_popescu i am not proposing it as normative, we were just sharing tales from youth. [05:30]
BingoBoingo cazalla> BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd <<< and so i ask that whatever problems there are with intel, why is AMD not affected? << My Beef was Intel imagineered this shit first [05:31]
cazalla are you it's not just because athlon's were the cool thing to have back then? :P [05:32]
mircea_popescu the man said " the number thing played a part." [05:32]
BingoBoingo cazalla: This was still If I recall correctly some time before I bought a wagon full of B&W Macs at $10 a pop [05:32]
BingoBoingo are you it's not just because athlon's were the cool thing to have back then? :P << I didn't know AMD existed until later... I am rather but not entirely sure I recall correctly [05:33]
funkenstein_ hmm whats the proper way to register an address with assbot wot [05:37]
mircea_popescu what address ? [05:37]
mircea_popescu you could make a deed for deedbot- if you wish to record a signed message ? [05:38]
BingoBoingo hmm whats the proper way to register an address with assbot wot << Prolly whatever the latest incarnation of the Deedbot idea is. [05:38]
funkenstein_ this one 1CnRcXsJ9dci1Z8yzo1PvVaoGeYef7Zcti [05:38]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the NetBSD team sounds like a bunch of fucktards i would never wish to have anything to do with. [05:38]
funkenstein_ ok i want to learn about deedbot I will check that out [05:38]
mircea_popescu i wonder how personally particular this impression is. [05:38]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ search logs for it, full examples of use etc, in there. also [05:39]
assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [05:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's something I've come to recently. Surprised it isn't the offical Social Justice OS. When I first played with Open Source at a summer job in 2004 I grew an immediate dislike because it didn't work as expected on maximally vanilla hardware at the summer job. [05:40]
mircea_popescu i don't think i've ever seen it run, personally. [05:41]
BingoBoingo I've got it to run a couple times. Once on ancient hardware. [05:43]
mircea_popescu < of course... on the web none of the bsds exist. [05:43]
assbot Operating system market share ... ( ) [05:43]
mircea_popescu windows xp at 20%, that's a kicker. [05:43]
mircea_popescu more windows3.1 running browsers than all bds's combined. [05:44]
BingoBoingo I'm honestly surprised with the Azure and cloud thing MicroShaft hasn't forked a BSD to revive the Xenix brand [05:45]
mircea_popescu but anyway, fwiw fbsd/obsd/nbsd seem to enjoy this 4:2:1 quadratic. [05:45]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no strategist at the top. they got mostly marketing people these days. [05:45]
BingoBoingo but anyway, fwiw fbsd/obsd/nbsd seem to enjoy this 4:2:1 quadratic. << positions in the quadratic shift rather swiftly. [05:46]
BingoBoingo When they shift at all. [05:46]
mircea_popescu mostly a function of the methodology, considering how tiny the sample is. [05:47]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo no strategist at the top. they got mostly marketing people these days. << Don't forget the Inertia people behind "Office" [05:47]
mircea_popescu myea [05:47]
BingoBoingo When it comes to adopting pieces of various BSD's though enumeration gets really messy. OSuX brings in a lot of FreeBSD stuff. Google Android uses OpenBSD's libc with a special compile flag google requested. [05:49]
mircea_popescu myeah [05:49]
BingoBoingo The devil only knows which BSD Cisco corrupted into IOS or that MS uses as the Windows network stack anymore [05:51]
mircea_popescu anyway this email pile is unreadable. passive-agressive thirteen year olds captive in the decaying bodies of thirtysomethings going at it. [05:51]
mircea_popescu i have it on good authority window uses an old copy of gregorian chants for its networking stack now. [05:51]
BingoBoingo lol [05:52]
BingoBoingo Past a point inflection any email pile with a dispute becomes unreadable [05:53]
mircea_popescu not mine. theirs. there's a type of esl castrato that exhibits this strange insanity of behaviour, that a problem is either solved within the first three passes or never. [05:54]
mircea_popescu it's so weird that the "halting condition" of the "machine" so to speak is found, not in the data, not in the code, but in the... cell count. [05:55]
mircea_popescu verybad.jpg [05:55]
cazalla so bitcoin pete quotes rassah and i was going to use it for an article, but the quote is nowhere to be found in the logs [05:55]
BingoBoingo it's so weird that the "halting condition" of the "machine" so to speak is found, not in the data, not in the code, but in the... cell count. << Yeah. Only time I've encountered this in my limited forays outside english is in Mao's essays corraled under the Title "Guerilla Warfare" [05:56]
cazalla ah bitcoin pete edited the text to fix spelling errors so nothing untoward afterall.. when you read this, sorry pete_dushenski [05:58]
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funkenstein_ mircea_popescu [06:06]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As of AD 347694 I am funkenst - ... ( ) [06:06]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: Edit your GPG conf file to switch from SHA1 to a better message digest [06:08]
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funkenstein_ Boingo, thanks [06:09]
mircea_popescu yeah he has a point. [06:10]
mircea_popescu not an emergency but good policy. [06:10]
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BingoBoingo Best to fix before you've signed too many things [06:11]
mircea_popescu lemme know how that goes. [06:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know what just occured to me ? it's damned incredible just how *captivating* b-a has become, coupla years later. [06:11]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seriously. It is a publicly readable resource of unparalleled quality which only became possible because Bitcoin [06:13]
cazalla there's not enough people here though, we need mass adoption! [06:14]
funkenstein_ received, where would you like your logs sir :) [06:14]
mircea_popescu but not only that. guy wanders in, right ? next it's, show us your tits, write for qntra, fix your gpg, install derpsd on your router and by the way, here's somethign to do with the wife anbd her girlfriend : [06:14]
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mircea_popescu a rabit hole the likes of this has not yet existed i dun think. [06:14]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you hold on to them. [06:14]
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mircea_popescu kinda what being a broker entails. [06:14]
Adlai funkenstein_: if he'd asked you to transfer them on his behalf, you would subsequently have to comply with MSB regulations [06:15]
BingoBoingo but not only that. guy wanders in, right ? next it's, show us your tits, write for qntra, fix your gpg, install derpsd on your router and by the way, here's somethign to do with the wife anbd her girlfriend : << Why collar chains and not chains on the lissing buttplugs [06:15]
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mircea_popescu Adlai he would ? [06:15]
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funkenstein_ lol [06:16]
mircea_popescu check it out, logs are currency too nao! [06:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i dunno man. guy's own preference ? [06:16]
kakobrekla print more logs! [06:16]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla clearly the value of the logs can only go up up up. [06:17]
kakobrekla hehe [06:17]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla want some ? [06:17]
kakobrekla am i not stacked up* [06:18]
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mircea_popescu lol. yeah, you got a great rack matic! [06:18]
funkenstein_ b-a logs need monetizing too? [06:18]
BingoBoingo Propaganda fanfic finally ended with a Sparkling Unicorn princess who never needs to paint her nails [06:18]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ it's an irresistible joke in there. [06:18]
Adlai a log server could trade logs for logs [06:18]
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mircea_popescu oh, log of logs, that has such kindling in it! [06:18]
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Adlai it's all fun and games until somebody mentions faggots [06:19]
mircea_popescu ho, nommo. [06:19]
funkenstein_ :o [06:19]
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mircea_popescu "if she weighs the same as her tits she's made of logs, and therefore.... A WITCH!" [06:20]
mircea_popescu i wonder if all of this will be as hysterically funny in the sober light of day. [06:21]
mircea_popescu let's find out. [06:22]
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mircea_popescu this is like the 3rd time i sent !up to assboy in pm. [14:47]
mircea_popescu am i gay ? [14:47]
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mircea_popescu << hardware has no css to be derping with. [15:07]
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mircea_popescu or moreover : hardware has lengthy history, hard to undo by a bunch of libertards. the person doing hardware css is known as "the cleaning lady" and doesn't get much pay. [15:07]
mircea_popescu in software tho, easy to pretend. [15:07]
mircea_popescu while i expect your 90% figure of ee's working for govt is only met if you actually count every us public company as an agency of the usg (a position not exactly undefensible, people still do the same to stuff like gazprom etc, notwithstanding the ru oligarchs actually have a lot more independence than the us "ceo"s of public corps), [15:09]
mircea_popescu i am absolutely convinced that 99% of the soi dissant software engineers are in fact "web experts" of the "i dont no biari (i know a littel java.)" ilk [15:10]
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thestringpuller re 99%, this is actually true tho [15:11]
thestringpuller in fact take a look at most "Enterprise Web Frameworks" [15:12]
thestringpuller Java or Microsoft IIS stacks. [15:12]
thestringpuller and wtf is Hardware CSS?!?!? [15:12]
thestringpuller CSS is like a virus now. [15:12]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller dude going through that reddit thing you posted. [15:13]
mircea_popescu pretty much every single thing they say is wrong. how the fuck did conde nast manage to collect every idiot in america on the same site ?! [15:14]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller hardware css is usually done with a broom, or a mop. [15:14]
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mircea_popescu << can't decide if it's running googlebot off an iphone or it's really bingbot. [15:27]
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decimation in related news, apparently apple is going to fully drop qualcomm for intel [15:36]
assbot Intel will reportedly land Apple as a modem chip customer | ITworld ... ( ) [15:36]
decimation which was reported only days after qualcom decided to buy back $15 bn shares [15:37]
assbot Qualcomm to buy back up to $15 bln of shares, raise dividend [15:37]
decimation qualcomm is a chumpatron fueled fully by indian 'engineers' on h1b visas, who are tricked into coming to live in san deigo with the hopes of being somebody [15:37]
mircea_popescu modem chips tho. [15:38]
decimation right, that's qualcomm's bread and butter [15:38]
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mircea_popescu but not a major thing for apple [15:38]
decimation no, not for apple, but it is for qualcomm [15:38]
mircea_popescu myeah. well... that and eudora lol [15:39]
decimation did they buy eudora? [15:40]
mircea_popescu of course... they sold ~3bn of chips last year. it may be that on the contrary, they told apple to pack it. [15:41]
decimation possibly, and it's also probably the case that intel gave them a sweet deal [15:41]
decimation (intel being another famous such chumpatron) [15:41]
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mircea_popescu here's something i don't understad. so, qualcomm side : in q4 2014 it announced a 2.4 bn deal with csr plc, to deliver chips. then in q1 2015 it announced massive share buyback. from apple side : they moved the modem chip order from qualcomm to intel. from csr site : 50mn operating profit on 1bn gross revenue. [15:46]
mircea_popescu how the shit is this supposed to work ?! [15:46]
decimation mircea_popescu: almost like there's an unseen third party operating in the background... [15:46]
mircea_popescu but my point being : on the basis of an order from someone whose yearly gross revenue is 40% of the value of the order [15:47]
mircea_popescu you proceed to buyback shares and ditch apple ? [15:47]
mircea_popescu does anyone even do accounting anymore ? [15:47]
decimation my information about qualcomm is that it is a pyramid: the white managers are all family/friends of the original founding class, and all the actual engineering staff are indians and chinese on indentured servitude visas [15:48]
mircea_popescu well sure. [15:48]
decimation I suspect that the managers are desperately trying to pretend that they know how to run a business [15:48]
mircea_popescu << here's the typical us corp. [15:49]
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mircea_popescu 7 "supervisors" to the injun. [15:49]
decimation qualcomm is also fairly famous for hustling usg into favoring their CDMA chips over the european gsm alternative [15:50]
decimation apparently the hustle isn't working very well [15:51]
mircea_popescu i don't think the usians were going to use the same chips as europe no.matter.what. [15:51]
mircea_popescu and besides, admit that europe invented the most important thing of the 80s ?! NOWAI [15:51]
decimation probably not, but the mechanism used was an obscure battle over 'standards' [15:51]
mircea_popescu right right. [15:52]
decimation the chinese government isn't happy with qualcomm either [15:52]
assbot Qualcomm CEO says still in the dark on China antitrust probe [15:52]
decimation basically their whole 'let's revolutionize the market with a standard' kinda worked for a few years, but gave enough time for everyone else to figure how how to kneecap qualcomm [15:53]
mircea_popescu << so fucking unfortunate that crepax died. i'd have absolutely loved a valentina-ish character for eulora. anyone know anyone who works in the style ? [15:53]
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decimation meanwhile they sat fat dumb and happy on their pile of cash and their wage-slaves [15:53]
mircea_popescu decimation mebbe so. why would a us company care about china "antitrust probe" ? they can probe themselves up the ass. [15:53]
decimation decimation: qualcomm recommendation: sell :) [15:54]
decimation heh well, they care if they don't own their own fab and depend on chinese/taiwan to make their chips [15:54]
decimation kinda like how the arabs realized they could ask for 50% of the oil revenue instead of a few pennies [15:54]
mircea_popescu heh [15:55]
mircea_popescu so badly managed, teh usg. [15:55]
decimation they are good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory [15:56]
mircea_popescu srsly. [15:56]
mircea_popescu all this idiocy with "reindustrialize on shale oil" bs, when the correct avenue is directly obvious. ban chinese made electronics. problem solved. [15:56]
mircea_popescu ~all problems solved~ moreover. [15:56]
decimation heh. [15:56]
decimation that's actually a really good idea [15:57]
mircea_popescu the turmoil this will induce in china takes it off the map. their military is very powerful in a defensive stance today. it will be offense capable in 2-3 decades, but it's not there yet. [15:57]
mircea_popescu so, that'd be the end of that. new leap forward, etc. [15:57]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, the us suddenly has an economic basis. all those fabs need to be built right ? [15:57]
decimation exactly [15:57]
mircea_popescu 1trn of expenditure in one quarter, no need to "stimulate" anythin [15:57]
mircea_popescu but hey. "thank you for your leadership & we recognize each other for another 59 wasted minutes" [15:58]
decimation and the knowledge that is/has been lost by engineers on how to manufacture stuff would be recovered [15:58]
mircea_popescu yeah, today it is still recoverable [15:58]
mircea_popescu in 2035... not. [15:58]
mircea_popescu that'd be my presidential platform. 1 thing : electronic products are a point of strategic interest, may not be imported. cya 8 years later. [16:00]
ben_vulpes i suppose that argetine protectionism isn't working because "argentines are a buncha retards". [16:02]
mircea_popescu yes. [16:02]
mircea_popescu it's a do or die sort of measure. either the country picks up, a la china, or else it goes to shit. [16:03]
mircea_popescu when it's going to shit anyway... [16:03]
ben_vulpes the position strikes me as simply trading government intervention in free markets in one form for another form. [16:04]
mircea_popescu the importance of electing presidents that don't actually love the country. not in a motherly way, at any rate. [16:04]
ben_vulpes blech, mothers [16:04]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes not like i'm running, you know ? but if i were, this'd be the play. not arguing the structure's not stupid. [16:04]
ben_vulpes i mean, i love 'em, don't get me wrong. [16:04]
ben_vulpes but they're not generally on my board 'cause they're mothers, you know? if they are on my board they're incidentally mothers. [16:05]
mircea_popescu more along the lines of, "if you had to do surgery in the forest, how'd you go about it" [16:05]
ben_vulpes i see it. [16:05]
mircea_popescu "motherly" in the sense of, prioritizing survival over performance. [16:05]
mircea_popescu the opposite is quite fatherly. [16:05]
ben_vulpes i rather like that dichotomy. [16:06]
mircea_popescu obviously it should alternate, however... us has been stuck on motherly for too long. [16:06]
funkenstein_ in a two fathers kind of way [16:06]
ben_vulpes 'tis the communist m.o. [16:06]
funkenstein_ happy mothers day y'all [16:06]
mircea_popescu what, still ?! [16:07]
mircea_popescu i thought it was a week ago [16:07]
ben_vulpes it's may 10 you assholes [16:07]
mircea_popescu fuck you i've been studiously ignoring the whole mother thing in favour of may 1st "young eager sluts" day forever. [16:07]
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mircea_popescu olr was that june 1st [16:10]
funkenstein_ lets compromise with milf day [16:11]
chetty careful "young eager sluts" have a way of turning into mothers [16:11]
mircea_popescu hehe [16:12]
mircea_popescu i've heard such tale! [16:12]
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ben_vulpes 'tis a happy ending. [16:45]
decimation re: manufacturing < < an interesting (apple fanboi) take on how apple actually manufactures the watches [16:45]
assbot How Apple Makes the Watch — Atomic Delights ... ( ) [16:45]
decimation it's an interesting metalworking 101 [16:45]
mircea_popescu "Apple is the world's foremost manufacturer of goods. " [16:47]
mircea_popescu lost me at 1st sentence. [16:47]
decimation heh, well measured in bezzlars they kinda are [16:47]
decimation it just turns out that making shiny baubles is way more profitable than making jet engines [16:48]
mircea_popescu except they don't MANUFACTURE anything. [16:49]
mircea_popescu "apple's the world's largest buyer of some classes of items. while not the largest in any class of any import, and not the largest buyer in any sort of general perspective, one could select some items by a criteria more or less alligned with "items apple buys" to make apple apear like the largest buyer of items apple buys" [16:50]
mircea_popescu "it subsequently sells these" [16:51]
funkenstein_ stallman always did call apple products handcuffs didn't he [16:51]
decimation mircea_popescu: except they don't MANUFACTURE anything. < it would be interesting to know how much of the manufacturing expertise lies in apple proper vs. its chinese contractors [16:52]
decimation or german cnc millhouses [16:52]
mircea_popescu right. [16:52]
mircea_popescu in the same vein, it would be interesting to know how much of computing expertise lies in ibm as opposed to its gates contractors. [16:53]
mircea_popescu right ? [16:53]
decimation heh good point. [16:53]
mircea_popescu i note they didn't drop foxconn just yet. [16:53]
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decimation yes apparently foxconn is doing quite well for apple, apparently there's no need for a 'competing vendor' [16:54]
mircea_popescu in spite of what was it, elsa the she-fox going around endless rows of nude chinese pubescent girls with a whip and two cobras. [16:54]
mircea_popescu so i would humbly suggest that the naked emperor lives in a cage. [16:54]
mircea_popescu !up mollison [16:54]
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mircea_popescu anyway, im starting to get some appreciation of the chinese scam by now. [16:55]
mircea_popescu the way foxconn is using apple as a detachable glove / investment point is exactly copied after the manner some chinese guys used "friedcat" / asicminer. [16:55]
mircea_popescu basically, poor but smart chinese boy has figured out that if he uses dumb but prideful white boy as his own hand puppet, he can let HIM get all the "certifications" which are worthless anyway, then let HIM underwrite all the credit, which is what the investors want to do anyway, [16:56]
mircea_popescu and then just walk. [16:56]
decimation surely apple has seen this sort of thing coming [16:56]
mircea_popescu people readily forget that the asicminer on mpex deal fell through once asicminer wouldn't sign properly. which was clear enoug writting in the wall in 2012 for mpex investors never went into it. and so... [16:57]
mircea_popescu but anyway. [16:57]
decimation I didn't realize that asicminer had courted mpex [16:58]
mircea_popescu how about gigavps, for his bfl-will-deliver based items ? [16:59]
decimation the asicminer guys delievered to some degree. why weren't they willing to actually have a real company with a real existence, rather than some guy on a forum thread? [17:00]
mircea_popescu they weren't willing to sign. [17:00]
mircea_popescu and for that matter, apple also delivered to some degree. that's not the contention. [17:00]
mircea_popescu the fall guy, whether a natural or juridical person, is not "that which doesn't deliver at all". [17:01]
decimation 'pride goeth before destruction' [17:03]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [18:20]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ahjaha oglaf is becoming exquisitely better with time [19:20]
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decimation "gigavps i am highly confident in their ability to deliver" "gigavps per contracts i am having them sign" lolz [19:50]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: they aren't owned by conde nast anymore. but you make a great point tho. [20:49]
mircea_popescu they aren't ? [20:52]
BingoBoingo I think Conde at least still owns reddit in part. THing's a mess. [20:53]
mircea_popescu well obviously the redditard notes holders own 99% [20:53]
mircea_popescu rite ? [20:53]
mircea_popescu << nose trick [20:55]
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thestringpuller i thought the reddittard notes project got cancelled by canning ryan x. javascript d00d [21:02]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: i see now: [21:02]
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BingoBoingo Oh the lols, Core devs should move to C# or Java [21:04]
assbot where_what_now comments on Time to lobby Bitcoin's core devs: "SF Bitcoin Devs Seminar -- Scalability to billions of transactions per day, satoshi-level Micropayments, near-zero risk of custodial theft, & Instant transactions"... but only w/ a malleability-fixing soft fork. ... ( ) [21:04]
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thestringpuller so people want to replace poop with smellier poop? [21:06]
BingoBoingo Yah [21:08]
ben_vulpes more implementations is a totally fine and good thing. [21:09]
mircea_popescu !up AdrianoOliveira [21:10]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller well i dunno, 've not been following so close. [21:10]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the only problem is the notion that power rangers = "core", somehow. [21:10]
mircea_popescu other than that, they probably should move to c# or w/e. [21:11]
mircea_popescu ruby on trails. [21:11]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: yes a web framework [21:15]
ben_vulpes grand notion [21:15]
ben_vulpes rubby on my happy trail [21:15]
mircea_popescu what could be better. [21:15]
mircea_popescu plus it has native db support [21:15]
mircea_popescu or somesuch [21:15]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you're aware that this is actually a thing already, right? [21:16]
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mircea_popescu no, i wasn't. [21:16]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell asciilifeform << any good? [21:17]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:17]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: [21:17]
assbot toshi/block.rb at master · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( ) [21:17]
mircea_popescu a well. [21:18]
ben_vulpes my favorte part of rails projects is how they infrequently enforce things like foreign key constraints. [21:18]
ben_vulpes "but you know you might want to move to a db that can't enforce constraints on itself like mongo, and then where would you be?" [21:18]
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ben_vulpes well, up shit creek, but already and for other reasons. [21:18]
ben_vulpes it's probably no worse than the satoshi codebase. [21:20]
ben_vulpes (except for the part where its schema is defined by the ruby orm) [21:20]
mircea_popescu not clear that satoshi even has a defined schema [21:21]
ben_vulpes [21:22]
assbot Toshi Stops Gets stuck on initial Sync · Issue #152 · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( ) [21:22]
ben_vulpes it has c structs that get derped into whatever c db a given version is using [21:23]
ben_vulpes << i'm chuckling [21:24]
assbot Toshi stops syncing at 15 GB · Issue #121 · coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( ) [21:24]
ben_vulpes that's enough for me [21:25]
mircea_popescu cazalla < any idea what the peak yest was ? [21:29]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [21:29]
cazalla mircea_popescu, good chunk would've been from reddit [21:30]
mircea_popescu o the usms thing [21:30]
mircea_popescu yea [21:30]
cazalla yeah, but considering that it was floating around the #3 - #5 spot on /r/bitcoin, it's quite poor [21:31]
mircea_popescu bout what reddit's worth i thought. [21:32]
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thestringpuller not a lot of news these days :( [21:35]
cazalla the past week has been quiet which is why so many of the other sites turn to altcoins stories to use as filler content [21:36]
thestringpuller qntra don't need no filla [21:37]
cazalla once you cut the obvious press releases, vc's funded such and such company and altcoin news, there isn't much to choose from on quiet weeks [21:39]
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cazalla if anyone does have suggestions as to what type of content they would like to see on Qntra, i'm all ears [21:43]
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mircea_popescu quiet weeks are quiet weeks [22:16]
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thestringpuller wow mircea_popescu just read Old Story [22:36]
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thestringpuller << lol [22:41]
mircea_popescu heh. [22:42]
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nubbins` !up pete_dushenski [23:35]
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pete_dushenski thx! [23:35]
nubbins` np [23:35]
pete_dushenski so let's kick this evening off with a little scoop: [23:35]
assbot Emancipation shemancipation, independence shmindependence. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [23:35]
pete_dushenski oh, and [23:36]
assbot The world is fundamentally hostile. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [23:36]
pete_dushenski in summa: jamaica sucks and is a bit bitter about it. [23:37]
pete_dushenski << yes. the logs are muddied by my earlier indiscretions. [23:40]
assbot Logged on 15-03-2015 08:54:25; cazalla: ah bitcoin pete edited the text to fix spelling errors so nothing untoward afterall.. when you read this, sorry pete_dushenski [23:40]
thestringpuller yay its a pete_dushenski [23:49]
pete_dushenski howdy howdy [23:49]
pete_dushenski on some veeeery slow internet here [23:50]
pete_dushenski last night in bobmarleyland :) [23:51]
pete_dushenski cazalla BingoBoingo thestringpuller qntra fodder: [23:58]
assbot User-Focused Security: End-to-End Encryption... | Yahoo ... ( ) [23:58]
pete_dushenski "openpgp-based" [23:59]
* thestringpuller looks [23:59]
pete_dushenski because hushmail didn't do that a decade ago or whatever [23:59]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski lol [23:59]
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