Forum logs for 16 Mar 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00988 BTC [-]	[00:00]
ThickAsThieves	i do think you have to be at least a little bit of a day trader and btc enuthusiast to have a chance of keeping up	[00:00]
tiberiusiv	daytrading is no different then playing satoshi dice	[00:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.009861 = 0.0493 BTC [-]	[00:01]
Anduck	yes if you're bad at it XD	[00:01]
ThickAsThieves	tiberiusv thats an overstatement	[00:01]
ThickAsThieves	yes it is risky	[00:01]
ThickAsThieves	but there are clear ways to profit	[00:02]
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jborkl	anduck, good job on moving your shares	[00:03]
burnside	not sure if this is a silly question, but in BTCT's Analysis area, when i sell a share, which value does it use to determine the value of that one share if I paid various prices and own many?	[00:03]
Anduck	jborkl: been doing it and i am successing on it	[00:03]
Anduck	=)	[00:03]
burnside	it works by taking the share count you currently have, and working backwards in your trade history figures out the weighted average purchase price for the shares you're currently holding	[00:04]
jborkl	good timing	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/	[00:04]
ThickAsThieves	so it essentially subtracts one averaged unit	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	i'd appreciate if anyone puts that up on reddit/wherever, distributes it	[00:04]
ThickAsThieves	(and once before in January but that didn’t much at all),	[00:05]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so he does it exactly as described, by cost basis	[00:05]
ThickAsThieves	word	[00:05]
ThickAsThieves	mp ^ typo	[00:05]
burnside	yup	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	ty!	[00:06]
ThickAsThieves	i didnt really think about how BTC-e was probably the same crew	[00:07]
ThickAsThieves	doing the ddos	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i just added everything that came to mind there to see what people say	[00:08]
ThickAsThieves	way more likely than nvc-haters	[00:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5311 BTC [-]	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5311 BTC [-]	[00:10]
ThickAsThieves	all this probing, surely theyd have explored some holes	[00:10]
ThickAsThieves	maybe they are identifyng all weaknesses in btc world	[00:10]
ThickAsThieves	to manipulate things	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i think it's just doing the ddos part.	[00:10]
jborkl	Asicminer quick back of the napkin - 4400 approx blocks per month * 25.2 = 110880 BTC month / percentage of network asicminer has 15.3% = 16964 BTC	[00:10]
ThickAsThieves	pass the foil hat plz	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	you will always make some assumptions when casing a joint.	[00:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19797 BTC [+]	[00:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19798 BTC [+]	[00:13]
ThickAsThieves	asicminer hasnt really been giving any detailed financials have they?	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	not rly no.	[00:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00889 BTC [+]	[00:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.00999 = 0.04 BTC [+]	[00:34]
error4733	.pool	[00:35]
vampireb	!ticker mpex s.dice	[00:36]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0058822 / 0.00591811 / 0.00599963 (2125 shares, 12.58 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00576462 / 0.006 (52089 shares, 300.27 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00613678 / 0.0069 (2362489 shares, 14,498.08 BTC)	[00:36]
jurov	lol double paranoia: "look who retained access to the sites under attack"	[00:37]
jurov	but there was no major movement on mpex during the attack iirc	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00074934 = 4.6084 BTC [-]	[00:38]
jurov	or dunno, maybe they attacked the server to stole all the pics from /dtng ?	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	WTS dtng photo library	[00:40]
jurov	btw in roughly the same timeframe, sites of several czech banks got ddosed	[00:41]
jurov	ofc, they did not reveal parameters	[00:41]
ThickAsThieves	i blame the russians	[00:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.8 = 8 BTC [-]	[00:42]
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mircea_popescu	jurov ya i just answered	[00:43]
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mircea_popescu	jurov hm. got some newslinks or anything ?	[00:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 362 @ 0.000707 = 0.2559 BTC [+]	[00:44]
jurov	http://www.zive.sk/hackeri-napadli-weby-ceskych-bank-problemy-maju-i-slovenske-doplnene/sc-4-a-307515/default.aspx	[00:44]
jurov	(should translate)	[00:45]
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jurov	http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sk&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sk&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zive.sk%2Fhackeri-napadli-weby-ceskych-bank-problemy-maju-i-slovenske-doplnene%2Fsc-4-a-307515%2Fdefault.aspx	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	Original article today at 12:10: Hackers attacked this morning website of Czech banks reported Novinky.cz server.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	:D	[00:46]
Bowjob	We seem to have stabilized	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00075288 = 0.9035 BTC [+]	[00:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00073207 = 0.7321 BTC [-]	[00:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00073206 = 2.9648 BTC [-]	[00:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 1000 @ 0.06560726 = 65.6073 BTC [-]	[01:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0055 = 11 BTC [-]	[01:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1000 @ 0.08473237 = 84.7324 BTC [-]	[01:01]
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mircea_popescu	bitbet over 4k btc bet! yay.	[01:03]
Bowjob	http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/	[01:04]
Bowjob	Wow	[01:04]
Bowjob	HOly shit. ahhahahahah	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	lol wut ?!	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	don't tell me they;ve moved to july ?	[01:05]
Bowjob	theres the april one, then theres a july one	[01:05]
Bowjob	Lol	[01:05]
Bowjob	Avalon looks so good right now	[01:05]
pigeons	except for all the lying	[01:08]
pigeons	"we lie much less than bfl!"	[01:08]
deadweasel	lol pigeons	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob josh-zerlan.com	[01:12]
kakobrekla	are you saying they are lying about lying	[01:12]
kakobrekla	so they really are lying more than bfl?	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	they're not telling the truth about telling the lie!	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	more ddos with a bonus gift http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/15/4109568/cyber-blogger-brian-krebs-ddos-attack-police-raid	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	great to not live in the us.	[01:14]
tiberiusiv	where at the bitbet statements?	[01:14]
tiberiusiv	are*	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv bitbet.us search bfl	[01:14]
tiberiusiv	i mean the financial statements for the stock	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	a	[01:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/bitbet-february-2013-statement	[01:15]
kakobrekla	i thought they were on josh-zerlan.com	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/bitbet-january-2013-statement	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/sbbet-its-happening	[01:16]
kakobrekla	oh nvm i misread.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://en.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1adogi/josh_zerlan_ftw/	[01:16]
tiberiusiv	and the prospectus please	[01:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P430T] 750 @ 0.06557816 = 49.1836 BTC [-]	[01:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P450T] 1000 @ 0.0847004 = 84.7004 BTC [-]	[01:17]
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mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET	[01:17]
kakobrekla	hehe	[01:17]
Bowjob	someone needs to own up. who was mr 500 BTC	[01:17]
tiberiusiv	so bitbet is currently valued at 18100 BTC	[01:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1 @ 0.00588217 BTC [+]	[01:20]
Bowjob	MP, you should switch the math question around	[01:21]
Bowjob	36 can be exploited	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.bbet	[01:22]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00181 / 0.00181 / 0.00181 (200 shares, 0.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178945 / 0.00197 (104708 shares, 187.37 BTC)	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv something like that roughly speaking	[01:22]
tiberiusiv	300 p/e ratio based on the first 2 months	[01:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.98 = 3.96 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 27 @ 1.999 = 53.973 BTC [+]	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	what did it make so far, like 12 ?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 144 / 180	[01:23]
gribble	0.8	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	a my bad, it's half that. like .4	[01:23]
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tiberiusiv	housebets are bets the house is offering?	[01:24]
tiberiusiv	or participating in	[01:25]
Bowjob	bfl is down	[01:25]
Bowjob	the website	[01:25]
Bowjob	https://www.butterflylabs.com/	[01:25]
Bowjob	uh oh	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv with every new bet, the house will split .1 btc (or more) among yes/no	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	and link the submitter's address to the lower amt.	[01:25]
Bowjob	hey mp, if the lower amount loses, you lose the bet too?	[01:26]
tiberiusiv	mircea_popescu: isnt it structued like intrade?	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	no.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob what do you mean ?	[01:26]
Bowjob	Their website seems down on my end	[01:27]
Bowjob	Though their forums work	[01:27]
Bowjob	ddos, maybe	[01:27]
Bowjob	http://butterflylabs.com/	[01:27]
Bowjob	does it work for anyone else?	[01:27]
tiberiusiv	mircea: so lets say i place a bet, what does the house do?	[01:27]
tiberiusiv	how does the house set the odds	[01:28]
Bowjob	the house doesn't set the odds. ..	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv the admin that aprpoves your bet also splits the .1 pot	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	like 0.07/0.03 or w/e	[01:29]
tiberiusiv	so is it possible the house can ever have a major loss	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	it can lose at most something like 0.09 per bet	[01:29]
tiberiusiv	is there anywhere i can read how this is structured?	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	well... the faq ?	[01:31]
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jurov	https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/311591961268215809 oh they were ddosed too?	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	jurov yes	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/#comment-92347	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	nice cloudfail.	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	also http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/132126780642.jpg	[01:34]
ThickAsThieves	flat ass	[01:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 17 @ 0.00545 = 0.0927 BTC [+]	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/9929535/Higgs-boson-scientists-confident-they-have-discovered-the-God-particle.html	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	basically the god particle looks like a mushroom on mushrooms.	[01:36]
ThickAsThieves	but what is the god particle made of?	[01:36]
ThickAsThieves	and who made it?	[01:37]
Bowjob	satoshi obv	[01:38]
ThickAsThieves	what does god particle pay in divs?	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	ahahah	[01:38]
ThickAsThieves	i come in here with questions and you guys just act mean	[01:39]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[01:39]
jurov	i was hoping for something useful... like micro black holes	[01:39]
jurov	or neutrinos exceeding speed of lights	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	micro black holes ain't happenin'.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	aite, i[m out,. take care all.	[01:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11952 @ 0.00074519 = 8.9065 BTC [+]	[07:13]
Chaang-Noi	funny, i bet brfl would ship before april	[07:13]
Chaang-Noi	and i had bey soo many times they would fail before, starting in 2011 :)	[07:14]
Bowjob	then if they will be shipping.. then why are bfl victims not betting ?	[07:14]
Bowjob	http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob by now out of monyz ?	[07:15]
ThickAsThieves	cuz bfl has all their money	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[07:15]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[07:15]
Bowjob	lol	[07:15]
Bowjob	thats stupid.. u should not go balls deep	[07:15]
Chaang-Noi	balls deep is the only way i play.	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	but srsly : the dwindling of bets (especially hedging bets) is clear indication that BFL is about to go bust.	[07:16]
Chaang-Noi	but who ever trusted bfl lulz	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	ie, there is no more btc available to finance them.	[07:16]
Chaang-Noi	i think bfl will shit this month or next	[07:16]
Bowjob	id be pissed off if they increase the TH to 800	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi that's what the bet volumes would seem to indicate.	[07:16]
Bowjob	without my avalon	[07:16]
Bowjob	lol	[07:16]
Bowjob	then ill be sad	[07:16]
Chaang-Noi	however i think it will take a while to get their 5000 ships out	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	no, not ship. shit.	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	as in, go meet the pirate.	[07:17]
Chaang-Noi	5000 chips is only like 30th right? asicminer with 60 will still rape	[07:17]
Chaang-Noi	wow im 10% of the yes money on that bet, and i got in on the first day	[07:18]
Chaang-Noi	weight at 97k i like these odds :)	[07:18]
Chaang-Noi	however if the specs are 11% better im still going to lose even if they ship	[07:19]
Chaang-Noi	crazy	[07:19]
Bowjob	better yet they dont ship	[07:19]
Bowjob	lol	[07:19]
Chaang-Noi	oh well, its 5 btc	[07:20]
Chaang-Noi	either way	[07:20]
Bowjob	i dont get this bet	[07:20]
Bowjob	http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/	[07:20]
Bowjob	lol	[07:20]
Bowjob	wtf	[07:20]
Bowjob	"Devices must be in scope of at least -10% of advertised performance in order to be accepted as valid"	[07:21]
Bowjob	its a trap	[07:21]
Bowjob	lol	[07:21]
Bowjob	oh nvm, at least -10% so if they ship at their expected specs then its a win	[07:22]
Bowjob	mhm	[07:22]
Chaang-Noi	:)	[07:23]
Chaang-Noi	i just sent a quarter on yes on that	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	ya they should get it within the widest imaginable industrial standards.	[07:23]
tiberiusiv	BFL probably did make an effort at actually producing something but had major cost overruns and bad management of supply chain	[07:23]
tiberiusiv	now they are hoping to get anything out just to get new orders in to obtain the $$ to fill old ones	[07:23]
tiberiusiv	like avalon did	[07:24]
tiberiusiv	pure ponzi schemes	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv you kinda had it.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	most scams in btc play out the same way.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	tom's basic thing is exactly there. bitcoinica failed the exact same way. everything in the drama timeline	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	is a story of people trying, failing and then going eh what the fuck, we can't admit we've been idiots.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	so let's pretend a little longer.	[07:25]
tiberiusiv	0 integrity	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	and then tehy have the cheek to even talk to my girl in the forum,	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	let alone make judgement calls and give opinions.	[07:26]
tiberiusiv	what girl	[07:26]
tiberiusiv	mpoe-pr?	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[07:26]
tiberiusiv	i thought that was you	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[07:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6066 @ 0.00074519 = 4.5203 BTC [+]	[07:27]
Chaang-Noi	i should get a pr girl, lulz	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	better get a business first.	[07:29]
Chaang-Noi	going afk, see ya gents later	[07:30]
tiberiusiv	i thought roger ver and memory dealers were suppose to be intelligent	[07:30]
Chaang-Noi	goats trolling consulting :)	[07:30]
tiberiusiv	how did they make deals to sell 800k+ of merchandise on a none existant store	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv how you mea ?	[07:31]
tiberiusiv	bitcoinstore.com	[07:31]
tiberiusiv	his site was running only in the last 2 weeks but he needs to sell 800k+ to keep the competitive pricing	[07:31]
tiberiusiv	problem with that concept is his customer base is so small, basically people who derive a bitcoin income	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinstore is iirc online since 2012	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	neh /	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	how did you compute the 800k value ?	[07:33]
tiberiusiv	he has it listed on the site	[07:33]
tiberiusiv	that he has to reach 850k in sales by march 31st	[07:33]
tiberiusiv	or else he loses the pricing advantage	[07:33]
tiberiusiv	guy turned it into a charity asking the community to support the store lol	[07:34]
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tiberiusiv	mircea: heres the problem with the bitcoinstore, if someone has to convert fiat into BTC to shop on the store, the slippage kills any pricing power over amazon	[07:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1804 @ 0.00074519 = 1.3443 BTC [+]	[07:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10265 @ 0.00074586 = 7.6563 BTC [+]	[07:36]
tiberiusiv	mircea: so really the store only benefits those that derive bitcoin incomes, which is a tiny % of people	[07:36]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[07:37]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 46.47001, Best ask: 46.83966, Bid-ask spread: 0.36965, Last trade: 46.83966, 24 hour volume: 19691.27912928, 24 hour low: 46.40000, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.95610	[07:37]
Bowjob	dat spread	[07:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9982 @ 0.00074314 = 7.418 BTC [-]	[07:40]
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mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv that is a point.	[07:45]
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tiberiusiv	so what happens to the havelock funds that preordered basic/bfl?	[07:47]
Bowjob	ittl go down the drain	[07:48]
Bowjob	or they start pre ordering from avalon batch 3	[07:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.00074314 = 11.92 BTC [-]	[07:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10222 @ 0.00073669 = 7.5304 BTC [-]	[07:51]
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mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv i have no idea.	[07:53]
Ukto	tiberiusiv: basic is gone. done	[07:57]
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Ukto	only some funds have been returned, not all	[07:58]
Ukto	but as Bowjob said, they have lost alot of expected value	[07:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5948 @ 0.00072233 = 4.2964 BTC [-]	[08:01]
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Bowjob	;;ticker	[08:09]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 46.41201, Best ask: 46.42000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00799, Last trade: 46.42000, 24 hour volume: 19533.70116065, 24 hour low: 46.40000, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.95153	[08:09]
Bowjob	umm... crash?	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	Namworld http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-bitchslapping-of-2013/	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	perhaps of interest to you.	[08:13]
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tiberiusiv	people attack satoshi dice because it is successful	[08:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30515 @ 0.00072639 = 22.1658 BTC [+]	[08:24]
tiberiusiv	that was a great article mircea	[08:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5797 @ 0.00072639 = 4.2109 BTC [+]	[08:27]
Namworld	Quite interesting, but I'm not sure about the part where they fear you vs hate like for SD.	[08:32]
Namworld	I thought it was mostly like SD, hate. Because of what you do, not having a slice of the pie, whatever. And trolls aplenty.	[08:33]
aethero	People attack satoshi dice because its basically kicking a baby.	[08:36]
Namworld	see: "Because of what you do"	[08:36]
Namworld	In SD's case, blockchain transactions	[08:37]
zerokwel	personally I like SD	[08:37]
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zerokwel	dont people thing btc is going to have a LOT more tx than that come a few years time	[08:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.849 = 1.698 BTC [+]	[08:38]
Namworld	It will...	[08:38]
zerokwel	and sd pays a shitload of fees as well	[08:38]
zerokwel	and if pools are going to start bullshit rules of not wanting to talk to others then miners need to move	[08:39]
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midnightmagic	echo.. echo.. echo..	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	Namworld perhaps. i doubt it tho.	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	who ever heard of proponents of a system being upset cause it's actually useful for something.	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	zerokwel in fact sd paid a little over 50% of all fees ever paid.	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	but yah that's what i was explainingto luke and co back in feb : if they exclude sd txs that doesn't exclude sd from bitcoin, it excludes them from mining.	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	obviously the point was undestood even if they're too spineless to admit this, or else we wouldn't have seen the move to the rabble rousing populist forum bs.	[08:47]
midnightmagic	first, upset isn't the word for it; second, that's not why they're advocating against it.	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic listen, post an article on the topic somewhere. i'll read it	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	and prolly comment on it.	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	irc is not too good a medium for this discussion, it'll just get fragmented into nonsense.	[08:48]
midnightmagic	that's very true.	[08:48]
Namworld	I just don't see you handling punishments or people showing fear... I'm not sure what that fear part is about.	[08:48]
midnightmagic	very well, i agree. i'll stop..	[08:48]
Namworld	handing*	[08:48]
zerokwel	so by using the above reasoning if we beleve that a pool blocking SD tx is a bad thing. then stoping that pool from working would be the same example	[08:51]
zerokwel	meh... total bs if u ask me	[08:51]
zerokwel	SD is not an issue	[08:51]
zerokwel	so for exaple if everyone blocked the pools ip that was not helping the network. same result :)	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	zerokwel moreover this is a serious problem for the future.	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	suppose china comes to avalon or asicminer and says you must not rely the tx of this charity	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	because its from tibet.	[08:54]
Namworld	technically it works by miners vote. Forks can be created. Users can as well follow forks according to what they want...	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	i won't be speaking for some charity in tibet because i don't give a shit. if people actually do this sort of crap then btc will be fucked on the longer term	[08:54]
Namworld	If they don't simply follow the longest chain...	[08:54]
zerokwel	good point MP	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	Namworld the problem here is that since we don't have multiple implementations, the behaviour of clients is centralised not by their will	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	but by predictable code accident	[08:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5526 @ 0.00072639 = 4.014 BTC [+]	[08:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00072743 = 3.6008 BTC [+]	[08:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21224 @ 0.00073381 = 15.5744 BTC [+]	[08:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2935 @ 0.00072233 = 2.12 BTC [-]	[09:00]
Bowjob	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153604.0	[09:00]
Bowjob	good deal imo	[09:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 916 @ 0.25321359 = 231.9436 BTC [+]	[09:01]
Namworld	Hopefully that issue will be solved.	[09:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40545 @ 0.00073381 = 29.7523 BTC [+]	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob wjhat ?! he's selling them for 1 ?!	[09:01]
Bowjob	only 1 coin is for sale at 1	[09:02]
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Bowjob	so it goes up in price as they get sold ala bitbet	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	o like a giveaway yeah	[09:02]
Bowjob	So I got one for 1.05	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	kinda neat idea actually	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	molec / moleccc hey you here ?	[09:03]
moleccc	yep	[09:03]
Namworld	I'm taking 3 for the heck of it.	[09:03]
moleccc	ah, you guys found my thread ;)	[09:04]
moleccc	lol	[09:04]
moleccc	go ahead, still cheap ;)	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	cool idea hehe.	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	i'm not gonna weigh your bottom line down, i can get as many coins as i want for myself, but nice way to spread the love.	[09:04]
Bowjob	now this sucks, my wallet says 199	[09:05]
Bowjob	as opposed to 200	[09:06]
Bowjob	lol	[09:06]
moleccc	mircea_popescu, thanks	[09:06]
Namworld	Can I pay on monday? I'm expecting a payment then. I don't want to get all my bids on exchange shifted around.	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	Namworld take a loan :D	[09:06]
moleccc	Namworld, this is exactly what I was hoping for: people buying more than 1 ;)	[09:06]
Namworld	Not worth the trouble.	[09:06]
moleccc	Namworld, still a very good price	[09:06]
Namworld	what?	[09:07]
Bowjob	i take it molec will ship before BFL	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	ok so here's a story :	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	bflwebsite went down	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	coinabul was hosted in the same place	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	entire datacenter got blown. sound familiar ?	[09:11]
Namworld	yeah... you... or our switzerland node.	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/	[09:12]
Bowjob	havelock never got ddosed so far	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	that's good.	[09:16]
Namworld	neither has bitfunder or btct.co or a lot of bitcoin businesses...	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	still, prolly time to start hardening.	[09:16]
moleccc	Namworld, you can pay on monday	[09:16]
Namworld	good	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	seriously tho, who is handling gift certs these days ?	[09:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 7224 @ 0.0055 = 39.732 BTC [-]	[09:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 3840 @ 0.00520001 = 19.968 BTC [-]	[09:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0052 = 2.6 BTC [-]	[09:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.005 = 19 BTC [-]	[09:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1860 @ 0.005 = 9.3 BTC [-]	[09:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 882 @ 0.21019932 = 185.3958 BTC [+]	[09:22]
Bowjob	mhm	[09:22]
Bowjob	dice not looking too good?	[09:23]
Namworld	Looks fine to me	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	i was just about to say hm, the calls covering, are we in for a drop ?	[09:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17628823 = 176.2882 BTC [-]	[09:24]
Namworld	I'm thinking the latest grow might be exaggerated... I still consider the ideal value per BTC to be around 16-18 USD/BTC (and raising). But I'm not sure if the current price is warranted.	[09:24]
Namworld	Someone might just be in need of the funds however.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	the run-up was pretty much driven by everyone's wish on both sides of the divide to merge btc and some finance.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	it may have failed on this attempt	[09:25]
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mircea_popescu	it was a tough sell, the events of the 12th were the kiss of death.	[09:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00072946 = 1.4589 BTC [-]	[09:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7679 @ 0.00072233 = 5.5468 BTC [-]	[09:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4521 @ 0.00072214 = 3.2648 BTC [-]	[09:26]
moleccc	Namworld, I quoted wrong price. It's only 3.70	[09:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 15779 @ 0.005 = 78.895 BTC [-]	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.dice	[09:27]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00518591 / 0.0058822 (36479 shares, 189.18 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00552024 / 0.006 (87093 shares, 480.77 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00612245 / 0.0069 (2394243 shares, 14,658.65 BTC)	[09:27]
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Anduck	mircea_popescu: what events?	[09:30]
Namworld	Well reddit's BTC acceptance seems to be failing too. I think many newcomers/investors/older bitcoiners were buying on the premise of more merchants accepting Bitcoins. But if the userbase only grows by speculators/accepting merchants, it's not really working out. We need people spending those BTC. And it's not going to happen merely because merchants now accept BTC. Merchants can accept	[09:31]
Namworld	western union, people will still mostly use Paypal when available. Taking the time to get Bitcoin is an extra step which is not required. Growth comes from people adopting Bitcoins out of the need to use them of for their property as money and actually getting implicated to actual do as much transactions they need to do in Bitcoins if available.	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	Anduck the fork	[09:31]
Anduck	ahh	[09:31]
Namworld	Okay, merchants now accept BTC, but what's the point without the spending userbase and just speculators buying up on the next big thing?	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	Namworld this is very true.	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	the entire "merchants accept btc" stuff is nonsense, and in general retail is pretty much irrelevanty	[09:32]
BitHub	not everyone is going to hold for over 5 years tho	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	i been sayin' this for months	[09:32]
Namworld	The genuine userbase is growing slower. And the Bitcoin software ain't ready either.	[09:32]
Bowjob	isnt this what freicoin is trying to fix	[09:32]
Anduck	well	[09:32]
Bowjob	with the demmurage fee	[09:32]
Namworld	The current price is very interesting to most holders...	[09:32]
Anduck	bitcoinstore got sold over 100k usd worth of stuff in pretty small time	[09:32]
BitHub	lots of peeps will cash out at 100	[09:32]
Bowjob	theres no point in cashing out if people will accept btc as payment	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	"Hello guys, I am a psychologist in training and I would like to offer my knowledge, insight and experience with understanding women."	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	lol that forum.	[09:33]
Namworld	I'm expecting a sharp correction to somewhere like the steady growth throughout 2012 would have us at.	[09:33]
BitHub	if 99% of people that have bitcoin said "okey we're all holding till it hits $1000" well then could be a prob	[09:33]
Bowjob	might as well just pay in btc, that way, you dont hurt the sell value	[09:33]
BitHub	but not everyone is gon do that	[09:33]
Bowjob	not $1000, 10000	[09:34]
Bowjob	heh	[09:34]
Namworld	bitcoinstore was a good way to cash out BTC usefully. Probably done by the existing userbase who now had an opportunity at last to put their coins to good use. What's the point now that they're filled up on electronics they need if there's not more users to keep buying?	[09:34]
Namworld	Reddit had massive BTC sales initially. Then it lowered and lowered to peanuts.	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	for some values of "massive" under 100 btc or so.	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	that ain't massive nam.	[09:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17626382 = 176.2638 BTC [-]	[09:36]
Namworld	In proportion to their sales	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[09:36]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 46.50000, Best ask: 46.61000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 46.61000, 24 hour volume: 19651.52807249, 24 hour low: 46.27070, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.91393	[09:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7518 @ 0.00072214 = 5.429 BTC [-]	[09:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5385 @ 0.00071976 = 3.8759 BTC [-]	[09:36]
Namworld	Something close to 10% of sales. A good amount considering it's BTC and the low usage among the general population.	[09:37]
Namworld	Either way, I don't believe there's enough of a genuine userbase growth to sustain those prices.	[09:38]
Namworld	and too many fucks up to come ahead to get major capital invested in the near future.	[09:38]
Bowjob	https://www.bitcoinstore.com/	[09:39]
Bowjob	17%	[09:39]
Bowjob	not as bad as you think, but pretty bad	[09:39]
Anduck	i'd say it's decent	[09:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87 @ 0.00073381 = 0.0638 BTC [+]	[09:40]
Anduck	ive not even seen bitcoinstore ads anywhere	[09:40]
Anduck	still theyve sold pretty much	[09:40]
Bowjob	id actually use it.. but then again	[09:40]
Bowjob	i already have a beast of a computer	[09:40]
midnightmagic	+1 for multiple implementations. It is in fact something that Satoshi hoped would happen much earlier than where we are in bitcoin adoption.	[09:40]
Namworld	Yeah, but at the price of electronics, 1 user could easily fit 1k USD on average. That's like 100 - 500 buyers total.	[09:41]
Namworld	Talk about a customer base...	[09:41]
midnightmagic	Namworld: Is it possible to withdraw BTC from reddit?	[09:41]
midnightmagic	like convert back from gold or whatever it is you can buy on reddit	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic wwithout having talked to the man, it is my impression he basically wrote a spec and then hacked together a mcguyver implementation he didn't think much of	[09:42]
Namworld	Reddit thing is about premium subscriptions sales. I don't know of many premium subscription service which allows to cash out said subscription...	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	in terms of, fuck it, it's not supposed to work long term, it's stupposed to show how this could work	[09:42]
midnightmagic	I thought so at first. But then it's been my experience since then that each strange decision ended up having long-reaching, and resilience-related consequences for the distant future.	[09:43]
Namworld	and here it is with a market cap over 500 million USD...	[09:43]
Bowjob	imo that market cap number is bullshit	[09:44]
midnightmagic	It was supposed to just be a reference implementation, never The Real one. Even Gavin has made many and numerous noises about how much better off bitcoin would be with multiple implementations.	[09:44]
Bowjob	you cant find someone willing to pay 500m for 10.8m BTCs	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	im not saying it's impossible to move the actual implementation as it is into shape by incremental improvements ftr.	[09:44]
Bowjob	instead as you sell BTC, it becomes cheaper	[09:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17623687 = 176.2369 BTC [-]	[09:45]
Namworld	that's not really the point but yeah.	[09:45]
Namworld	Anyway, almost 4 am... I think I'll be heading off.	[09:45]
Bowjob	MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17623687 = 176.2369 BTC	[09:45]
Bowjob	what does this mean?	[09:46]
midnightmagic	I think a strong, with-the-devs-onboard alternate implementation to create client heterogeny would probably be a welcome relief for most of them.	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	heh calls are covering. either they're right and a top is in	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	or else they're wrong.	[09:46]
Bowjob	If BTC reaches 39 dollars, this dude gets money?	[09:46]
midnightmagic	And by "with the devs onboard" I just mean cooperation and expertise transfer.	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob nah it was sold. he had bought it earlier for w/e	[09:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00073492 = 11.9425 BTC [+]	[09:46]
Bowjob	oh	[09:46]
Bowjob	just taking profits then	[09:47]
Namworld	No, it might have been bought earlier for cheaper. It's a C for call, so yeah, taking profits.	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	prolly made some profit	[09:47]
Anduck	hmma	[09:47]
midnightmagic	It's pretty stressful for them, the abuse. It's actually the reason why Satoshi left. Did you know that?	[09:47]
Anduck	asicminer@0.84	[09:47]
Anduck	sick price imo	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic yes.	[09:47]
Namworld	yeah	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	the solution is quite simple : don't get politically involved. stick to writing code.	[09:47]
Bowjob	I thought Satoshi had "better things to do"	[09:47]
Namworld	Night all.	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob that's what it's called	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	night Namworld	[09:48]
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midnightmagic	Bowjob: No. He didn't want to be involved in all the conflict. People kept coming in and insisting the code was shit. Except people like Hal Finney.. but they were so rare that they were drowned out in the noise. And then people were suggesting too early that wikileaks start using it and and and.. :)	[09:48]
tiberiusiv	bowjob: market caps tend to be BS in the real world, they are based off of the last sale irrelevant of volume	[09:49]
tiberiusiv	bowjob: market caps should be used to determine value, its better then price	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv that's why i regularly use the 30day price figures for mkt cap, and the 24 hour averages for btc prices on option pricing and so forth.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	hoping people get used to the approach	[09:49]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[09:50]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 46.50001, Best ask: 46.64899, Bid-ask spread: 0.14898, Last trade: 46.50001, 24 hour volume: 19605.08858072, 24 hour low: 46.27070, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.91298	[09:50]
Bowjob	yawn, we've been declining today	[09:50]
Bowjob	the volume sucks though	[09:50]
tiberiusiv	declines on low volume are positive	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	you know in spite of the spikes avg volume is like 20-30k	[09:50]
tiberiusiv	which is very low compared to the 10.8 mil coins	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[09:51]
Bowjob	we're actually less thatn 10.8m	[09:51]
Bowjob	a lot of coins were lost	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is mostly used as a store of value anyway	[09:51]
Bowjob	i feel that fuckup on the twelth kinda killed the rally	[09:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17620987 = 176.2099 BTC [-]	[09:54]
Bowjob	lots of profits	[09:54]
Bowjob	mhm	[09:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 230 @ 0.25305341 = 58.2023 BTC [-]	[09:55]
FabianB	$vwap S.DICE	[09:57]
mpexbot	FabianB: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'54', u'min': u'500000', u'max': u'600000', u'vsa': u'48077439398', u'vsh': u'87093', u'avg': u'552024.151172'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'538', u'min': u'300001', u'max': u'690000', u'vsa': u'1465865095496', u'vsh': u'2394243', u'avg': u'612245.74761'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'9', u'min': u'500000', u'max': u'588220', u'vsa': u'18917716557', u'vsh': u'36479', u'avg': (1 more message)	[09:57]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.dice	[09:58]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00518591 / 0.0058822 (36479 shares, 189.18 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00552024 / 0.006 (87093 shares, 480.77 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00612245 / 0.0069 (2394243 shares, 14,658.65 BTC)	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	way cleanner imo. mpexbot more adequate for programming i'd guess	[09:58]
FabianB	yeah, if it wouldn't at the end say "(1 more message)" ;)	[09:59]
mircea_popescu	does it do that in pm too ?	[09:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2807 @ 0.00073493 = 2.0629 BTC [+]	[10:00]
FabianB	didn't get pm, but i'm umode +R	[10:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15513 @ 0.00073492 = 11.4008 BTC [-]	[10:00]
FabianB	let me turn that off for a moment	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	bah it does	[10:00]
FabianB	$vwap s.dice	[10:00]
mpexbot	FabianB: {u'7d': {u'cnt': u'54', u'min': u'500000', u'max': u'600000', u'vsa': u'48077439398', u'vsh': u'87093', u'avg': u'552024.151172'}, u'30d': {u'cnt': u'538', u'min': u'300001', u'max': u'690000', u'vsa': u'1465865095496', u'vsh': u'2394243', u'avg': u'612245.74761'}, u'1d': {u'cnt': u'9', u'min': u'500000', u'max': u'588220', u'vsa': u'18917716557', u'vsh': u'36479', u'avg': (1 more message)	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	smickles, could $vwap be cleaned up a little so that the 1 more msg thing is not printed ? perhaps take out all the u too	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	and all the spaces, no need	[10:01]
FabianB	yeah, i guess it's just a few characters needed for the 1d avg	[10:02]
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Guest7560	Anybody can explain the mpex oix in laymens terms?	[10:11]
Guest7560	(I've read the blog article - still confused)	[10:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00071977 = 7.1977 BTC [-]	[10:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3365 @ 0.00071976 = 2.422 BTC [-]	[10:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00071873 = 2.3718 BTC [-]	[10:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5885 @ 0.00071641 = 4.2161 BTC [-]	[10:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10499 BTC [+]	[10:21]
mircea_popescu	Guest7560 basically it's a sentiment indicator	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	it sums up what the option traders think the price will be next week	[10:22]
Bowjob	so the traders think BTC will go down to 39.31	[10:23]
Guest7560	mircea_popescu: Thanks! So 39.31 (57.59 / 37.62) means sentiment is that it's going down	[10:23]
Guest7560	What do the 2nd and 3rd values mean?	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	on average, they expect 39.31 next week. the call side expects 57.59, the put side 37.32	[10:23]
Guest7560	That's pretty broad...	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	it allows for easy separation between bulls and bears by taking advantage of the the nature of options	[10:24]
Bowjob	so some expect 57 by next week	[10:24]
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mircea_popescu	bow yes.	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	also consider 2nd line : 4`851.15 (8.5 / 91.5)	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	of the ~5k btc on the line, only 8.5% belongs to the people expecting 57.59	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	so they aren;t really putting their btc where their mouth is very much	[10:25]
Guest7560	Aha!	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	it's a pretty sophisticated measure, if you think about it	[10:25]
Guest7560	mircea_popescu: Cool, thanks!	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	however, i wouldn't fall in love with it. we don't know yet if it makes any sense or just is a pretty number	[10:25]
Guest7560	I think I've read on reddit somewhere that it never failed in the past..?	[10:26]
rikur_	I just missed something interesting.	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	it predicted some events in the past and failed to rpedict others	[10:26]
Bowjob	you put on feb 28th	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	there's a graph in the article on trilema showing it against the actual price	[10:26]
Guest7560	That's the one I think yes	[10:28]
Bowjob	http://polimedia.us/trilema/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/oix-retrospective.png	[10:28]
Bowjob	That means the OIX is pretty accurate	[10:29]
Guest7560	So while mpex site was down the last couple days (ddos I think), I heard that trading was still going in irc	[10:29]
Bowjob	I don't understand that huge red sword	[10:29]
Bowjob	in the middle. wtf is that	[10:29]
Bowjob	did people suddenly expect BTC to raise to the moon?	[10:29]
Bowjob	wat	[10:29]
Guest7560	Is there a way to get the oix when mpex.co website is down?	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob you can buy a very expensive call and make the sentiment spike on low volume, i think is what happened.	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	Guest43913 yes. looky :	[10:30]
Bowjob	ah	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m ^oix	[10:30]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 37.62123733 / 39.31406066 / 57.58756229 (28662 shares, 4,851.15 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob for instance consider O.BTCUSD.C750T. it costs like .05 btc. if you buy it, you imply price goes to like 76+	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	if that's the only thing that's bought... spike.	[10:31]
Bowjob	yeah i see it	[10:31]
Guest7560	Ah cool!	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	option trade volume varies A LOT. two weeks ago was 20k	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	now it's 4k etc.	[10:32]
Guest7560	Thanks, mircea_popescu	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	there's periods with 0 trade. so...	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	Guest7560 np	[10:32]
Bowjob	what are the green lines for?	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	Guest7560 http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	you can get more details about the bots etc there.	[10:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13111 @ 0.00071641 = 9.3929 BTC [-]	[10:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20307 @ 0.00071488 = 14.5171 BTC [-]	[10:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.849 = 16.98 BTC [+]	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob you mean on the right sidhe ?	[10:33]
Bowjob	yeap	[10:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.849 = 16.98 BTC [+]	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	volume	[10:34]
Bowjob	ok, thx	[10:34]
rikur_	Bowjob: that's a very distracting nickname	[10:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.849 = 4.245 BTC [+]	[10:34]
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Bowjob	you are not the first.	[10:35]
Guest7560	So anyone has an idea why the majority of traders thinks btc will go down to 39?	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	rikur_ http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/res/14686.html there, allow me to be helpful	[10:36]
Bowjob	march 12 fuckup?	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	Guest7560 just the revert to mean theory may be enough. it went up fast.	[10:36]
Bowjob	though I'm waiting for march 22 and the days after that..	[10:37]
Guest7560	What's happening on the 22?	[10:37]
Bowjob	coinlab opens	[10:37]
rikur_	mircea_popescu: thanks!	[10:37]
Bowjob	america and canada wont be able to trade on mt gox anymore	[10:37]
Guest7560	Bowjob: I think the fork thing is over now and everybody relaxed, no?	[10:37]
Bowjob	yes, but it scared a bunch of people..	[10:38]
Guest7560	I know, but that's over now, so I wouldn't expect a drop so many days after its over and fixed	[10:38]
Guest7560	Tell me about that coinlab/mtgox US/CA story	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	it's not really fixed. just strung together for now.	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	the fixing will take a lot of time.	[10:40]
Bowjob	basically wall st. , im speculating will play with bitcoins	[10:40]
Bowjob	http://coinlab.com/transition	[10:41]
Bowjob	Taxes won't be optional anymore if you trade with coinlab	[10:41]
Guest7560	mircea_popescu: You mean until nobody uses the 0.8 version anymore that has the bug that caused the block to be rejected?	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	Guest7560 it's .7 and prev that have an issue. not exactly a bug. just a complex db issue.	[10:42]
rikur_	Bowjob: taxes?	[10:42]
Bowjob	Yeap	[10:42]
Guest7560	Alright, sorry for mixing this up	[10:42]
Bowjob	Up until now, if you have half a braincell, you can choose to pay taxes or not	[10:43]
Bowjob	uncle sam wont know	[10:43]
Bowjob	but CoinLab will report it to the irs	[10:43]
rikur_	nice.	[10:43]
Bowjob	if you make 500 dollars or more	[10:43]
Bowjob	basically, they are "legitimizing" bitcoin	[10:43]
Bowjob	have you seen their buy 1m and sell 1m worth of bitcoin button?	[10:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[10:44]
tiberiusiv	bowjob: taxes were never optional even at mtgox	[10:44]
Bowjob	oh. but they dont hand in the info to irs dont they	[10:45]
tiberiusiv	bowjob: they may not but when you withdraw funds the recieving bank does	[10:45]
rikur_	Wait. If I have BTC in mt.gox, will it be sold to coinlab? or moved under their jurisdiction? I'm currently in Canada.	[10:45]
tiberiusiv	coinlab	[10:45]
Bowjob	mhm, actually you're right	[10:45]
Bowjob	mhm	[10:45]
tiberiusiv	the benefit to canada is you could say your proceeds came from online gambling	[10:46]
tiberiusiv	as a casual gambler	[10:46]
tiberiusiv	thats not taxable in canada	[10:46]
rikur_	coinlab has a very unfortunate logo with the "bubbles" :)	[10:47]
Guest7560	Coinlab statement is still pretty vague...	[10:47]
Bowjob	what i dont like about coinlab	[10:47]
Bowjob	is they are offering a "storage" solution	[10:47]
Bowjob	and they will charge money to hold BTC	[10:48]
Bowjob	.. i mean, wtf?	[10:48]
tiberiusiv	how is that any different then mtgox	[10:48]
tiberiusiv	mtgox stored your coins	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153556.msg1630348#msg1630348 lol	[10:48]
Bowjob	you're missing the point	[10:48]
Bowjob	http://coinlab.com/storage	[10:48]
rikur_	How would you be taxed for mined coins?	[10:48]
tiberiusiv	you wouldnt rikur	[10:49]
Bowjob	cashout price - electricity - mining rig price	[10:49]
Bowjob	= income	[10:49]
Bowjob	and then they tax your income	[10:49]
tiberiusiv	until you started filling up a bank account	[10:49]
Bowjob	you dont have to if you just keep the coins	[10:49]
Bowjob	thats the thing. if you use the coins anonymously, its just like income	[10:49]
Bowjob	and taxes, will be optional	[10:49]
Bowjob	it could get sticky when the gov recognize bitcoin as money	[10:50]
Bowjob	what you can do, is wait till your bitcoin stash become so valuable, that you can buy a member of the congress with it	[10:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+]	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha THIS is even money ?	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	lord have mercy.	[10:53]
Bowjob	I thought I brought it up earlier lol	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	had i ?	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	must've forgot	[10:54]
Bowjob	yes you did	[10:54]
Bowjob	"[16:04] http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/ [16:04] Wow [16:04] HOly shit. ahhahahahah [16:04] lol wut ?! [16:04] don't tell me they;ve moved to july ?"	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	a yes you have!	[10:54]
Bowjob	chang put a quarter in on yes	[10:55]
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mircea_popescu	a quarter btc = 10 bux	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	so wait. luke went to visit bfl, where he was in fact presented with a box of fans ?	[10:57]
Bowjob	yeap	[10:58]
tiberiusiv	sdice has almost no bids?	[10:58]
Bowjob	https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/100-day-2-slight-delay.html	[10:58]
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Bowjob	"slight delay"	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[10:58]
Bowjob	it scares me though, if they actually deliver there goes my profits	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	i guess he better start looking for crow stew recipes.	[10:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1354 @ 0.00071102 = 0.9627 BTC [-]	[10:58]
Bowjob	though..	[10:59]
Bowjob	they might not ship	[10:59]
Bowjob	Bitbet suggests that BFL victims are low on morale	[10:59]
tiberiusiv	mircea: are the bbet asks your tranches	[10:59]
Bowjob	they should be betting on Yes to make up on their lost profits	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv the 10k bits are mine/kako's alternatively, as per the contract	[11:03]
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tiberiusiv	18s yours as well?	[11:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370T] 1000 @ 0.21053791 = 210.5379 BTC [+]	[11:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C390T] 1000 @ 0.17621836 = 176.2184 BTC [+]	[11:04]
tiberiusiv	0.00181000 300	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	tiberiusiv 18s ? a, no	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	you can work it out, they're supposed to increase in price at a fixed rate	[11:05]
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mircea_popescu	see if the price works out with that	[11:05]
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tiberiusiv	hows this month looking for profits?	[11:05]
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mircea_popescu	as per the guidance in feb statement, "Since the BFL bet closed in March the dividend guidance is high for next month - just that bet alone would push profit up 300%."	[11:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.0053 = 0.106 BTC [+]	[11:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 13 @ 0.00535 = 0.0696 BTC [+]	[11:08]
tiberiusiv	is sdice working?	[11:11]
tiberiusiv	the bet page isnt showing up	[11:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.0007078 = 15.1469 BTC [-]	[11:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00070473 = 8.2453 BTC [-]	[11:12]
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mircea_popescu	maybe attacked again ?	[11:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 83 @ 0.0054 = 0.4482 BTC [+]	[11:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+]	[11:13]
Ukto	works for me	[11:15]
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Ukto	actually	[11:16]
Ukto	looks like teh db	[11:16]
Ukto	is coming and going	[11:16]
rikur_	Wow, does bitcoin already have 3x the market cap of e-gold at it's peak?	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	rikur_ yes.	[11:16]
rikur_	never thought of that.	[11:16]
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Bowjob	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131065.880	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	implied btc market cap is larger than the gnp of Dominica ; Tonga ; Micronesia, Federated States of ; Anguilla ; Cook Islands ; São Tomé and Príncipe ; Palau ; Marshall Islands ; Kiribati ; Nauru ; Montserrat ; Tuvalu	[11:18]
Bowjob	I have a feeling this dude will be correct for once	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	that's like12.	[11:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.849 = 6.792 BTC [+]	[11:19]
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Anduck	so..	[11:20]
Anduck	hanging man	[11:21]
Anduck	doesnt it mean extremely bullish?	[11:21]
Anduck	if i remember correct...	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	hanging man is the end of uptrend	[11:21]
Anduck	ahh	[11:21]
rikur_	if you believe in technical analysis..	[11:21]
Anduck	well	[11:21]
Bowjob	well, lucif has been consistently wrong in the past..	[11:23]
Bowjob	mhm	[11:23]
Bowjob	"tting ready to change. The reliability of this signal is drastically improved when the price of the asset decreases the day after the signal. Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hangingman.asp#ixzz2Nh2Xhc2X"	[11:25]
Bowjob	well we were at 47 yesterday	[11:25]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[11:25]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 46.65099, Best ask: 46.65100, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 46.65100, 24 hour volume: 19628.80463838, 24 hour low: 46.27070, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.89741	[11:25]
Bowjob	perhaps it is a hanging man!	[11:25]
midnightmagic	.. how droll. You quoted me. Got to you, did I?	[11:26]
midnightmagic	"quoted"	[11:26]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml	[11:31]
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midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Not that you care about much outside your own head, but I did not, nor would I, grant you permission to publically public anything I say in a channel which is not clearly demarked as a "Publically-logged channel."	[11:33]
midnightmagic	s/public /publish /	[11:33]
midnightmagic	I will note that neither the channel topic, nor the page that the topic's sole contents (a URL) point to, state anything about public logging.	[11:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.849 = 16.98 BTC [+]	[11:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.849 BTC [+]	[11:36]
Bowjob	dice is down from here	[11:38]
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ZedsterX	dice is up here....took about 2 minutes to get bet addresses up	[11:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11380 @ 0.00070489 = 8.0216 BTC [+]	[11:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9270 @ 0.00071093 = 6.5903 BTC [+]	[11:52]
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mircea_popescu	midnightmagic this is a logged channel. you weren't aware ?	[11:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6811 @ 0.00070473 = 4.7999 BTC [-]	[11:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00070369 = 2.7444 BTC [-]	[11:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9029 @ 0.00070102 = 6.3295 BTC [-]	[11:57]
midnightmagic	It is not stated so in the topic, nor in the bitcoin-assets.com page it links to, mircea_popescu.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	yeah well. it's a trade chan.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	it's purpose is mostly to be quotable.	[11:58]
midnightmagic	That is not by Freenode guidelines.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	ya well. now you know.	[11:59]
midnightmagic	You are not the channel owner.	[12:00]
midnightmagic	And thus are not in a position to make such determinations regardless.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	...	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	make a determination as to what dood ?	[12:01]
midnightmagic	Channel nature and type.	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	you highlighted me with whatever q, i gave you an answer, you don't like mine highlight whoever else next time eh ?!	[12:01]
midnightmagic	This is a primary namespace channel and thus technically falls under the Bitcoin FOSS project ownership.	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	o get the fuck out already.	[12:01]
midnightmagic	I'm making a comment shortly on your blog you may be interested in.	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	"i have a whine please pay attention to me rarara"	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	it's uninteresting.	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	by all means.	[12:02]
midnightmagic	Are you still in Romania?	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	yeh.	[12:02]
midnightmagic	Good. Then I remember correctly.	[12:03]
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mircea_popescu	but anyway, to the more general point : you're powerless. get used to liking it, cause it ain't changing.	[12:04]
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mircea_popescu	the impersonal you i mean. the little vessenes group, bfl, mtgox, what have you in there.	[12:04]
midnightmagic	You are quoting me out of context and thus impugning my moral rights under the copyright acts of both our countries.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	so feel free to either sue or fix the context.	[12:05]
midnightmagic	No, as per Romanian copyright law I am requesting you remove quotes of mine from your website.	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[12:06]
midnightmagic	Your site isn't letting me post. How do I convince it I'm a human? I'll flesh out the articles specifically to which I'm referring.	[12:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+]	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic if you instapost it'll block you.	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	cause that's what spambots usually do, load page make post	[12:08]
midnightmagic	Hrm. I took about 30 minutes to write my comment..?	[12:08]
midnightmagic	Maybe it doesn't like Tor.	[12:08]
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mircea_popescu	ppl on tor post all the time	[12:09]
midnightmagic	Hrm. 3:09 a.m... no, that's correct too.	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	it's possible if unlikely your page was marked as stale by the time you clicked ?	[12:10]
midnightmagic	Possible. I'll try again.	[12:10]
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ZedsterX	geez i am almost gonna give MP some money just so I can see this quote	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	ZedsterX try tor.	[12:20]
ZedsterX	for what?	[12:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 300 @ 0.00181 = 0.543 BTC [+]	[12:20]
ZedsterX	i meant i was almost willing to pay your blog price	[12:21]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Yep, it didn't like Tor.	[12:21]
midnightmagic	ZedsterX: It's nothing special at all. It's what he said about it.	[12:21]
ZedsterX	hehe just kidding i would never pay to read someones blog not an issue :)	[12:22]
midnightmagic	I thought it was a joke at first but it appears he has also mistaken me for a DJ in Wisconsin.	[12:22]
midnightmagic	ZedsterX: :)	[12:22]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.849 = 2.547 BTC [+]	[12:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.849999 = 8.5 BTC [+]	[12:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.85 = 7.65 BTC [+]	[12:29]
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midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: What's the big deal man? I asked you nicely, you said no, I quote you the law of your own country you are breaking by deliberately quoting me out of context and making unfunny, uncritical, non-commentary aspersions on my character, and this is your response? srsly?	[12:33]
midnightmagic	It's like.. six lines bro.	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	you're obviously missing the context that Trilema has been standing against attempts at internet censorship for half a decade.	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	the odds of an article being altered are nil.	[12:34]
midnightmagic	You have always been a proponent of legal correctness.	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	you honestly imagine you can absue the legal process to impose censorship on blogs ?	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	others have tried, and have failed so far, but by all means, if you must.	[12:35]
midnightmagic	lol, no, I'm pointing out a legal liability, and requesting that you not quote me, in direct contravention of the policy of the network you enjoy and make money with, for free.	[12:36]
midnightmagic	(namely, Freenode)	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	last i checked you have a free cloak and i have a silver one. let's keep them aspersions at bay.	[12:36]
midnightmagic	You can bury your head in the sand and pretend the law doesn't apply to you and pretend what I'm doing is censorship, and pretend there is no other way, but there is.	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	indeed there is. get used to the fact that this channel is a public forum, serving the needs of bitcoin trade	[12:37]
midnightmagic	This isn't a public forum, it is not listed as such. You saying it is so, does not make it so. This is primary namespace #bitcoin*, which means it certainly isn't for you to decide what happens here, nor what policy is.	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	the needs of the bitcoin circlejerk are served elsewhere.	[12:38]
midnightmagic	This particular channel is not, actually a public forum, no matter how many times you think your word is somehow above law.	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	listen, i'm not arguing with you. i'm telling you. you don't like what i'm telling you, go argue with somebody else.	[12:38]
midnightmagic	lol	[12:38]
midnightmagic	Lawless..	[12:38]
midnightmagic	Discourteous, uncivil, lawless.	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	merely disinterested in nonsense.	[12:39]
midnightmagic	Is this your true nature after all?	[12:39]
midnightmagic	Are you so mercenary? So sociopathic that you would deny a simple request for the same courtesy I have often showed you without considering the alternatives?	[12:40]
midnightmagic	Do you have any idea how many times I've turned down requests for complete logs of your conversations?	[12:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 971 @ 0.00070102 = 0.6807 BTC [-]	[12:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14734 @ 0.00069148 = 10.1883 BTC [-]	[12:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00069002 = 6.9002 BTC [-]	[12:42]
midnightmagic	If you're cool with throwing all the courtesy we've shown each other over the last many months away just because of a few-day spat that stings your ego..	[12:42]
FabianB	midnightmagic: why not put it in context in the comment section? i don't think it gets censored either	[12:43]
midnightmagic	FabianB: Because that would imply I am fine with it staying up; additionally, if I publish it on his site then I lose the right to request that it come down.	[12:44]
midnightmagic	Or at least.. my request is weakened.	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	you have some very interesting legal theories going there.	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, since it's on the third mention by now, when did i ask you to delete shit you published ? or what ?	[12:45]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: It's not legal theory, it's simple human nature at this point. I'm not interested in answering the question, "Why if you wanted it taken down did you repost it right underneath?"	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	this "taking down" thing boggles me.	[12:45]
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mircea_popescu	where's this come from !?	[12:45]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: You didn't. I don't publish shit. People ask me for logs of your comments and I think.. "Well people are trying to dig up shit. Probably because they want to harm him. No thanks." And I tell them to fuck off.	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	very bad.	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	let them have whatever logs, what i say i say because it is, not because it isn't.	[12:46]
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midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: No thanks.	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	da fuck, they can just grow a pair and ask me directly.	[12:47]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: That's the second reason why I tell them to fuck off.	[12:47]
Anduck	hmmm	[12:47]
Anduck	do you get free yubikey from mtgox?	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	all this mystique and mystery, i hadn't no idea people are like... secretively lurking my chats nao.	[12:48]
midnightmagic	Anduck: sometimes, and volume helps.	[12:48]
Anduck	i heard something like this but... do i need to be verified?	[12:48]
Anduck	ok	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	Anduck isn't a yubikei like 10 bux, and moreover don't they work on any site ?	[12:48]
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Anduck	mtgox keys work only on mtgox	[12:48]
midnightmagic	no, and no	[12:48]
ZedsterX	Mt.gox yubikey only works for them	[12:48]
Anduck	mtgox charges 30 usd for yubikey	[12:48]
Anduck	meh	[12:49]
Anduck	i'll email dem	[12:49]
Anduck	or! i get verifired	[12:49]
Anduck	verified*	[12:49]
Anduck	but i dont want to :( atleast now	[12:50]
Anduck	maybe i'll use software 2fa	[12:50]
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mircea_popescu	software 2fa ?!	[12:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00068804 = 2.8175 BTC [-]	[12:52]
Anduck	Google Authenticator	[12:53]
Anduck	like, a mobile phone app	[12:53]
Anduck	2fa= 2-factor auth	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	a ga thing ya	[12:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00070617 = 4.0958 BTC [+]	[12:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0099 BTC [-]	[13:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.009861 = 0.0394 BTC [-]	[13:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.00986 = 0.0394 BTC [-]	[13:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.00982 = 0.1964 BTC [-]	[13:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.33318 = 0.9995 BTC [-]	[13:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 50 @ 0.105 = 5.25 BTC [+]	[13:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/72607_10152634902385487_365736104_n.jpg	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	once a banker... ever a banker.	[13:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00071093 = 5.9007 BTC [+]	[13:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.0007106 = 9.0957 BTC [-]	[13:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 0.85 = 7.65 BTC [+]	[13:31]
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Bowjob	http://coinlab.com/	[13:32]
Bowjob	I been watching lately, they sell a lot	[13:32]
Bowjob	more sell than buys	[13:33]
Bowjob	mhm	[13:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 13 @ 0.105 = 1.365 BTC [+]	[13:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 1000 @ 0.15445864 = 154.4586 BTC [-]	[13:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C490T] 1000 @ 0.13342614 = 133.4261 BTC [-]	[13:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 1000 @ 0.11500402 = 115.004 BTC [+]	[13:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C530T] 1000 @ 0.09894671 = 98.9467 BTC	[13:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C550T] 1000 @ 0.08501814 = 85.0181 BTC	[13:36]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[13:57]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 46.52002, Best ask: 46.77899, Bid-ask spread: 0.25897, Last trade: 46.52002, 24 hour volume: 18864.05282020, 24 hour low: 46.27070, 24 hour high: 47.44999, 24 hour vwap: 46.87026	[13:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.0007106 = 5.7203 BTC [-]	[14:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0007106 = 3.8372 BTC [-]	[14:11]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 0.85 = 27.2 BTC [+]	[14:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 955 @ 0.00070617 = 0.6744 BTC [-]	[14:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00070309 = 16.5226 BTC [-]	[14:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11595 @ 0.000703 = 8.1513 BTC [-]	[14:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00070794 = 1.4159 BTC [+]	[14:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3296 @ 0.00071093 = 2.3432 BTC [+]	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/16/business/global/showdown-looms-over-cyprus-bailout-deal.html	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	so basically, the naive got their bank accounts raided.	[14:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00070556 = 4.692 BTC [-]	[14:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00069804 = 13.5071 BTC [-]	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	also in the news, krugman badly owned by reality. http://www.cnbc.com/id/100558455	[14:43]
Chaang-Noi	europe...	[14:50]
Chaang-Noi	im glad i moved to a place where the normal currency is gold and we export food.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	sounds sound strategically.	[14:51]
Chaang-Noi	try to buy a car here with a credit card and they will look at you like you are a retard.... try to pay in gold, no problem	[14:52]
Chaang-Noi	i do wish i held some land, but right now it is over priced here	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool.	[14:53]
Chaang-Noi	asean is going to be growing while the west is falling/failing	[14:55]
Chaang-Noi	asicminer is slowly moving up with decent volume despite paying weekly dividends	[14:55]
Chaang-Noi	also is s.dice down to limited? i used to see many more s.dice transactions and now only a few :/	[14:56]
Chaang-Noi	block chain dot info used to show like 50% to 755 s dice transactions	[14:57]
Chaang-Noi	75%	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	always was about half	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicminer-pt	[14:58]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.769999 / 0.8115 / 0.85 (466 shares, 378.2 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.76347 / 0.973 (1434 shares, 1094.8 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.72349 / 1 (2550 shares, 1844.9 BTC)	[14:58]
Chaang-Noi	the other exchange is getting a bit more volume but a bit lower price	[14:58]
Chaang-Noi	if you go look now it is about 1 transaction in like 20	[14:59]
Chaang-Noi	for s dice, if that... it is odd	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	hm	[14:59]
Chaang-Noi	i have noticed this over the last 10 hours or so	[14:59]
Chaang-Noi	could just be an off day	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	i've never kept that close tabs	[15:00]
Chaang-Noi	i have not either,	[15:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2480 @ 0.00071093 = 1.7631 BTC [+]	[15:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4520 @ 0.00071108 = 3.2141 BTC [+]	[15:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [-]	[15:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00069831 = 6.9133 BTC [-]	[15:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00069831 = 10.4747 BTC [-]	[15:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P730T] 15 @ 0.56117433 = 8.4176 BTC [-]	[15:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.889998 = 1.78 BTC [+]	[15:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.889999 = 8.9 BTC [+]	[15:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.939999 = 9.4 BTC [+]	[15:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.9487 = 9.487 BTC [+]	[15:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.9489 = 14.2335 BTC [+]	[15:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9489 BTC [+]	[15:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]	[15:48]
Chaang-Noi	go asicminer	[15:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 0.9489 = 18.0291 BTC [+]	[15:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17299 BTC [+]	[15:50]
Chaang-Noi	:D	[15:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01984 BTC [+]	[15:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01985 = 0.1985 BTC [+]	[15:51]
kakobrekla	https://twitter.com/JsSmRenton/status/312912911079194624/photo/1	[15:54]
Chaang-Noi	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/2250235/brian-krebs-gets-swatted	[15:54]
Chaang-Noi	lol kakobrekla	[15:54]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.85 = 3.4 BTC [-]	[15:59]
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vampireb	where can you a buy card with a cc?	[16:07]
vampireb	i would totally would for bonus points	[16:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00070255 = 16.7909 BTC [+]	[16:08]
vampireb	!ticker mpex s.dice	[16:08]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00518591 / 0.0058822 (36479 shares, 189.18 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00552063 / 0.006 (85443 shares, 471.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00612241 / 0.0069 (2393043 shares, 14,651.21 BTC)	[16:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01101 BTC [-]	[16:10]
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ThickAsThieves	gawd, reading chatlog here is such a chore when people get dramatic	[16:15]
ThickAsThieves	asicminer at .95 now? Nice.	[16:16]
Chaang-Noi	:)	[16:16]
Chaang-Noi	back to .95, was at 1	[16:17]
kakobrekla	lets see the faces when it all goes crashing down	[16:17]
Chaang-Noi	but we are going well over 1. we will control about 50% of the network for at least 3 months	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	but bfl is releasing next week right?	[16:17]
Chaang-Noi	they hope to have their test unit done by then yeah	[16:18]
Chaang-Noi	who knows how many months to get their 5000 chips out	[16:18]
Chaang-Noi	but even then, only 25 th if lucky	[16:18]
ThickAsThieves	5000 was just the first batch	[16:18]
kakobrekla	theres 2 more players in the game	[16:18]
Chaang-Noi	yeah, maybe in 3 months someone else will be able to break asicminer from their 50% lock down...	[16:19]
Chaang-Noi	but that is a maybe	[16:19]
vampireb	BFL will probably will be releasing slowly.	[16:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.945 BTC [+]	[16:20]
vampireb	I ordered I think in Sep	[16:20]
Chaang-Noi	bfl (assuming their stuff works) will not ship all at once	[16:20]
Chaang-Noi	1 to 2 months for their 5000 chips, then they need to reload	[16:21]
ThickAsThieves	i'm pretty sure they claimed to be able to work much faster than that no?	[16:21]
Chaang-Noi	i dont think sept is in the first batch.	[16:21]
ThickAsThieves	not that their claims mean anything	[16:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.9489 = 3.7956 BTC [+]	[16:21]
Chaang-Noi	yeah 4 to 6 weeks from like 1 year ago ready to ship/..	[16:21]
ThickAsThieves	why are people paying .95 when AM is on BF for .8?	[16:24]
Chaang-Noi	405 of the network for 3 months is .324 btc per share...	[16:24]
Chaang-Noi	40%	[16:24]
Chaang-Noi	that is a good question, and i dont know	[16:24]
Chaang-Noi	but im the seller at .95 and will buy at the other exchange...	[16:24]
Chaang-Noi	i heart arb	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	my guess is more outreach is needed by BF	[16:24]
Chaang-Noi	iv not been around but i thought bf was the biggest exchange now	[16:25]
ThickAsThieves	probably	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	but BTCT volume on AM alone might be challenging that	[16:26]
Chaang-Noi	:)	[16:27]
Chaang-Noi	my shares mosty, it has been pretty good	[16:27]
Chaang-Noi	mine were the first 1000 and about 70% of all the others	[16:28]
Chaang-Noi	been buying otc at like 30% less of what i have been moving them for on that exchange	[16:28]
Chaang-Noi	im really shocked it worked so well for so long	[16:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.0007079 = 14.158 BTC [+]	[16:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7407 @ 0.00071108 = 5.267 BTC [+]	[16:29]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 0.9489 = 10.4379 BTC [+]	[16:32]
Chaang-Noi	180 gone on bitfunder	[16:32]
MJR_	hi all	[16:33]
Chaang-Noi	if it is still there in a few mins ill buy the rest	[16:33]
Chaang-Noi	hi mjr	[16:33]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: will do on the vwap cleanup	[16:38]
MJR_	what's asicminers returns like?	[16:38]
MJR_	!ticker	[16:38]
assbot	Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?	[16:38]
ThickAsThieves	mjr, these are the last 3 divs	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	฿0.02378654 ฿0.01917149 ฿0.02354460	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	once dive add up to .1, divs get cut in half	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	dive=div	[16:40]
ThickAsThieves	divs are weekly	[16:40]
MJR_	why do they cut in half?	[16:41]
ThickAsThieves	because AM isnbt paying their own shares til then	[16:41]
ThickAsThieves	and they own half	[16:41]
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MJR_	cool	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	someone should tell evoorhees SDICE needs a jolt	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	bring back whalebot	[16:44]
kakobrekla	just go play less than 1	[16:44]
vampireb	ohh starcraft is out	[16:49]
smickles	< Bowjob> you dont have to if you just keep the coins << (it being taxes) it you do that enough to be noticed and audited you're fucked. they'll say you should've been treating bitcoin as barter all along, you'll have a few k of taxes owed and 10s of k in fines	[16:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9675 @ 0.00071108 = 6.8797 BTC [+]	[16:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5098 @ 0.00071108 = 3.6251 BTC [+]	[16:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9502 @ 0.00071181 = 6.7636 BTC [+]	[16:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2038 @ 0.00070255 = 1.4318 BTC [-]	[17:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13783 @ 0.00070066 = 9.6572 BTC [-]	[17:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23279 @ 0.00070015 = 16.2988 BTC [-]	[17:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]	[17:07]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17299 BTC [+]	[17:16]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 13 @ 0.105 = 1.365 BTC [+]	[17:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.005198 = 0.7797 BTC [-]	[17:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 560 @ 0.005199 = 2.9114 BTC [+]	[17:20]
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MJR_	BitHub: hi	[17:24]
BitHub	Hello	[17:24]
MJR_	anyone seen namworld lately?	[17:24]
kakobrekla	;;seen namworld	[17:25]
gribble	namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: Night all.	[17:25]
Anduck	wow	[17:27]
Anduck	asicminer @ 0.94	[17:27]
Anduck	:D	[17:27]
MJR_	on btctc it's .8 on bitfunder :)	[17:27]
Anduck	yep	[17:28]
Anduck	i sold mine a little too cheap i think	[17:28]
Anduck	well, i got nice profits so whatever =)	[17:28]
Anduck	im cool	[17:28]
MJR_	no one ever went broke taking profits :)	[17:28]
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kakobrekla	thats just stupid thing to say.	[17:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 97 @ 0.0054 = 0.5238 BTC [+]	[17:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00071181 = 22.6356 BTC [+]	[17:32]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00541 BTC [+]	[17:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.005404 = 0.5404 BTC [-]	[17:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 302 @ 0.00541 = 1.6338 BTC [+]	[17:39]
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Evan_	!help	[17:40]
assbot	List of commands:	[17:40]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[17:40]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[17:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00070763 = 19.7429 BTC [-]	[17:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00071181 = 0.2847 BTC [+]	[17:41]
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ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[17:47]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 5768719.44091 based on data since last change \| 5650760.38918 based on data for last three days	[17:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.88 = 1.76 BTC [-]	[17:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17642 @ 0.00070501 = 12.4378 BTC [-]	[17:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [-]	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1125 @ 0.00070327 = 0.7912 BTC [-]	[17:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26630 @ 0.00071181 = 18.9555 BTC [+]	[17:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.00071738 = 6.5002 BTC [+]	[17:59]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.2597 = 0.5194 BTC [-]	[18:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+]	[18:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.54 = 2.7 BTC [+]	[18:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00071738 = 12.3389 BTC [+]	[18:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00070818 = 5.1697 BTC [-]	[18:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00070675 = 15.2658 BTC [-]	[18:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.53001 = 1.59 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.530001 = 2.65 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.53000001 = 3.71 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.522 = 1.044 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.521 = 1.563 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52 = 5.2 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5151 = 1.5453 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.51501 = 1.545 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.515 = 10.3 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.513 = 2.052 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.512 = 4.096 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.511 = 4.599 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5105 = 2.5525 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.5102 = 3.0612 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5101 = 2.0404 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 77 @ 0.51 = 39.27 BTC [-]	[18:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00070675 = 5.972 BTC [-]	[18:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16555 @ 0.00070418 = 11.6577 BTC [-]	[18:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.00071815 = 5.2504 BTC [+]	[19:23]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 16 @ 0.105 = 1.68 BTC [+]	[19:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 33 @ 0.105 = 3.465 BTC [+]	[19:30]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [+]	[20:04]
OgNasty	quiet in here today...	[20:05]
kakobrekla	indeed	[20:06]
OgNasty	[NastyFans.org] [NASTY MINING] 2 @ 0.33 BTC [+]	[20:06]
OgNasty	lol	[20:06]
kakobrekla	errybody silently waiting for the weekend dump	[20:06]
OgNasty	I'm prepping myself for green beer...	[20:06]
OgNasty	Still say assbot should list NastyFans trades... Sucks to be lumped in with the BS gigamining has going... Just sayin'	[20:09]
kakobrekla	yeah, this is -assets, not -fans kinda.	[20:10]
OgNasty	what's in a name?	[20:10]
kakobrekla	ass bot doesnt cover fan sites	[20:10]
OgNasty	so the inclusion of the word fan makes it not an asset in your mind?	[20:11]
kakobrekla	im not sure at this point.	[20:11]
OgNasty	"In financial accounting, assets are economic resources. Anything tangible or intangible that is capable of being owned or controlled to produce value and that is held to have positive economic value is considered an asset. Simply stated, assets represent value of ownership that can be converted into cash (although cash itself is also considered an asset)."	[20:11]
kakobrekla	i dont see what that has to do with nasty fans?	[20:12]
OgNasty	NastyFans seats are capable of being owned to produce value and ownership can be converted into cash.	[20:12]
OgNasty	It fits the definition of an asset.	[20:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00071201 = 3.204 BTC [-]	[20:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6681 @ 0.00071815 = 4.798 BTC [+]	[20:14]
*	OgNasty thinks perhaps kakobrekla doesn't understand what NastyFans seats are.	[20:14]
OgNasty	Maybe I should donate one to you so you can see for yourself?	[20:14]
kakobrekla	nasty seats? dunno we are asset traders here and what not, not fans of anything in particular	[20:15]
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FabianB	a company, a stock, an option, a future, an etf?	[20:16]
kakobrekla	fishfish\|AFK !!	[20:16]
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OgNasty	I don't think you're ignorant enough to be caught up on a naming convention. So I assume you have an alterior motive.	[20:16]
fishfish	yes kakobrekla	[20:16]
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kakobrekla	no afk plox tyvm.	[20:17]
kakobrekla	OgNasty can you answer the FabianBs question-s	[20:17]
kakobrekla	ill be back in like 20 min or so	[20:18]
OgNasty	It is an asset.	[20:18]
FabianB	what kind of (in financial terms)	[20:18]
OgNasty	for legal reasons I'd rather let people figure that out on their own	[20:19]
OgNasty	Check this out...	[20:19]
OgNasty	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0	[20:19]
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OgNasty	18% yield... etc...	[20:20]
FabianB	then you might have to figure that out first	[20:21]
OgNasty	I have everything figured out. ;)	[20:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.9 = 13.5 BTC [+]	[20:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 42 @ 0.00532425 = 0.2236 BTC [+]	[20:26]
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OgNasty	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140769.0 <-- Why won't assbot list the 3rd most popular bitcoin asset? Story at 11. lol. "Uhh... I think dude that runs it can't grasp the name of the asset or something"	[20:31]
pigeons	i don't even look at a thread when i see the word nastyfans cause i ain't a fan and im sure there are others	[20:33]
OgNasty	pigeons: sounds like you are an excellent finacial guru. You should share that wisdom with Warren Buffet.	[20:34]
pigeons	anyway, have you offered to push data to assbot (assuming nastyfans is a relevant asset)	[20:34]
OgNasty	Yes, I have.	[20:34]
pigeons	i'm not claiming to be a financial guru. i'm stating a fact that calling something nastyfans is retarded	[20:35]
OgNasty	I think judging something on a name is retarded.	[20:35]
OgNasty	Wonder who's logic is more sound.	[20:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00070827 = 0.7083 BTC [-]	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3674 @ 0.00070826 = 2.6021 BTC [-]	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3626 @ 0.00070825 = 2.5681 BTC [-]	[20:37]
OgNasty	"The yield on that asset is over 18%? Wow. Too bad I don't like the name." - No serious investor ever	[20:37]
pigeons	well, i know for legal reasons you won't tell us what it is, but what would you say someone else might call it	[20:40]
pigeons	pre-paid mining?	[20:40]
OgNasty	I think most people would describe it as a company.	[20:40]
pigeons	"NASTYFANS: THE UNOFFICIAL NASTY MINING FANCLUB"	[20:40]
OgNasty	We have other revenue sources in development besides just mining.	[20:40]
pigeons	and really, you are suprised no one bothers to look?	[20:40]
OgNasty	lots of people look	[20:41]
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OgNasty	we have hundreds of individual asset owners.	[20:41]
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pigeons	fan club members	[20:41]
OgNasty	why the name hang up?	[20:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]	[20:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.9 = 9 BTC [+]	[20:42]
pigeons	not interested in joining a fan club for a miner	[20:42]
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OgNasty	even if the fan club donates bitcoins to you?	[20:43]
pigeons	i looked at the forum links you posted, couldnt find anything bout the 18% (per annum?) or any details. i do not doubt these returns, just interested in taking your advice and looking at it	[20:43]
OgNasty	it's all public on the site and the thread.	[20:43]
OgNasty	you didn't see the stats	[20:44]
OgNasty	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0	[20:44]
pigeons	the site is just a login page	[20:44]
OgNasty	lots of stats right there	[20:44]
pigeons	i looked through several of the 48 pages and still don't see	[20:44]
OgNasty	I'd say more stats and transparency than ANY OTHER asset.	[20:44]
OgNasty	Try page 1	[20:44]
OgNasty	the OP	[20:44]
pigeons	nope don't see anything	[20:45]
pigeons	more transparent than s.dice? where everyone sees all the money going in and out?	[20:45]
OgNasty	Every independent test I've seen done on s.dice shows that the amount of return they promise is a great deal from real returns.	[20:46]
OgNasty	whereas everything listed on my thread is factual.	[20:46]
OgNasty	but you can't see it, so I guess your ignorance is understandable.	[20:47]
OgNasty	reading OPs is hard for trolls.	[20:47]
pigeons	they promise 100% of returns and you get them	[20:47]
pigeons	independently verified, dooglus does a good job	[20:48]
OgNasty	go make a few bets then... haha	[20:48]
pigeons	we are talking about assets not gambling sites	[20:48]
OgNasty	exactly	[20:48]
pigeons	maybe i'm confused, that's waht the nasty fan club is	[20:48]
OgNasty	you are confused for sure. whether or not you are just trolling me is what I'm trying to decypher.	[20:48]
pigeons	please show me something indicating the return from s.dice profits is any less	[20:48]
pigeons	how did they cheat that? someone bet to a secret address?	[20:49]
OgNasty	go make 100 bets on the 97% address and see what your return is for yourself.	[20:49]
OgNasty	I'm not an independent auditor and I don't even care about S.DICE. I do my gambling at a casino, it's a social thing.	[20:49]
OgNasty	S.DICE is profitting off the ignorance of the socially inept.	[20:50]
OgNasty	Which I'm fine with, but can't figure out why I should care.	[20:50]
pigeons	i'm not talking about return on bets	[20:50]
OgNasty	whatcu talkin' bout willis?	[20:51]
pigeons	you said your asset was more transparent	[20:51]
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OgNasty	Where is the page showing the P/E ratio of S.DICE shares, or the yield?	[20:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00071815 = 1.0413 BTC [+]	[20:51]
pigeons	it seems 100% of s.dice profits go to shareholders, and no one is disputing that	[20:51]
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pigeons	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dHB2dVdiaEltUHAtTWlBcFhXQVBYeGc#gid=0	[20:51]
pigeons	except you	[20:52]
pigeons	not even eskimobob	[20:52]
OgNasty	manually entered google spreadsheet does not equal transparency.	[20:52]
OgNasty	Literally any numbers could be listed there...	[20:52]
pigeons	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1153334#msg1153334	[20:53]
pigeons	i'm not in the satoshi dice fan club, but you stated that your fan club is the most transparent asset out there, and here is one we can compare	[20:53]
pigeons	which pools do you mine on?	[20:54]
OgNasty	lots of manually entered numbers...	[20:54]
OgNasty	If I show you pretty numbers will you send me all your BTC?	[20:54]
OgNasty	lol	[20:54]
pigeons	i've checked the numbers myself, as have several in here	[20:54]
OgNasty	I mine on lots of pools...	[20:54]
pigeons	i've never heard anyone talk about your fan club, and i thought maybe i will check some of the numbers if the pools are exposing that information	[20:55]
OgNasty	well, with nastyfans everything is automated with numbers coming from 3rd parties. there is no need to check anything... the numbers come from where you'd check...	[20:55]
pigeons	cool, link?	[20:55]
OgNasty	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0	[20:55]
OgNasty	3rd time's the charm?	[20:55]
pigeons	i looked at that, just a bunch of manually entered numbers, and not hte ones im looking for	[20:56]
pigeons	ok i looked again, seriously there is no information there whatsover about your mining profits	[20:56]
OgNasty	those aren't manually entered numbers	[20:56]
OgNasty	those are images... updated in real time with stats from the operation.	[20:56]
OgNasty	the actual transactions and all that is on the nastyfans.org site.	[20:57]
OgNasty	available for members to see.	[20:57]
pigeons	well, best of luck to you sir	[20:57]
pigeons	thanks for the info	[20:57]
OgNasty	showing every donation and the path they all take... more info than any sane human would care to sift through, hence the automated stats.	[20:57]
OgNasty	Not only that, but by not pretending to be a bank and refusing to hold BTC, our exchange is far superior to the competition. Which is why I suspect people in here are threatened by it. ;)	[20:58]
pigeons	honestly, i don't think people feel threatened. i think it doesn't look interesting to anyone here	[20:59]
pigeons	https://nastyfans.org/about	[20:59]
OgNasty	When an asset that yields over 18% doesn't look interesting to you, something is wrong. You are entitled to your opinion though. Not all of us have decades of asset management under our belts I guess...	[21:01]
pigeons	how are we to know that your fan club yields over 18% a year. and yes i read your forum post	[21:01]
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OgNasty	you could look at the donation distributions and do the math if you don't trust the numbers on the OP...	[21:02]
pigeons	you wondered why no one in here is interested, and i think i'm pretty accurate in the reasons	[21:02]
pigeons	that doesnt mean your asset isnt a good deal or accurate	[21:02]
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OgNasty	your only reason is that you don't like the name...	[21:02]
OgNasty	every other statement you've made is inaccurate.	[21:02]
pigeons	i dont like the name enough to sign up for a site that looks exactly like all the scams out there	[21:03]
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OgNasty	this isn't new... been operating almost a year...	[21:03]
pigeons	you can be upset people aren't giving your fan club a fair chance because of surface misconceptions, but that is happening	[21:03]
OgNasty	http://blockchain.info/address/1EwtTKJaXAtctSFqCQKU3LiCg9dqYPEkxN <-- feel free to check out the donation chains.	[21:04]
pigeons	yeah i saw you in the forum a year ago, and it wasnt interesting	[21:04]
OgNasty	people are giving it a fair chance...	[21:04]
pigeons	bah mining bonds	[21:04]
OgNasty	it isn't a mining bond... lol	[21:04]
pigeons	what is it	[21:04]
pigeons	i read your post it says its a fan club	[21:04]
OgNasty	a smart investor would know.	[21:04]
pigeons	that's what pirate folks said	[21:04]
pigeons	i cant tell you your not smart enough	[21:04]
OgNasty	not if you can't use "you're" correctly. haha	[21:05]
pigeons	ok im not smart enough to know how a fan club can pay me money	[21:05]
pigeons	i'm hoping to hearing bout it	[21:05]
OgNasty	simple concept.	[21:05]
OgNasty	you join fan club and own a seat	[21:05]
OgNasty	I mine coins and donate them to the fan club	[21:05]
OgNasty	fan club distributes the donated coins to members based on the number of seats	[21:06]
pigeons	thank you. not interested.	[21:06]
OgNasty	I'm not trying to get you interested. I just wanted to know what kind of bureaucracy was behind not listing nasty trades by assbot.	[21:07]
pigeons	basically its not interesting	[21:07]
OgNasty	I disagree.	[21:07]
OgNasty	it is more interesting than 90% of the stuff listed by assbot.	[21:07]
pigeons	do you have a channel you stream them to so people don't have to register for the fan club?	[21:08]
OgNasty	the trades? yes.	[21:08]
pigeons	cool, that's a start	[21:08]
OgNasty	https://nastyfans.org/buys.csv	[21:08]
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OgNasty	people who choose to list their assets publicly are: https://nastyfans.org/list.csv	[21:08]
OgNasty	Again, all on the OP of my thread.	[21:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.99 = 3.98 BTC [-]	[21:09]
OgNasty	Should I post that link a 4th time? lol	[21:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.99 = 3.98 BTC [-]	[21:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.999 = 19.99 BTC [+]	[21:09]
pigeons	no maybe you should re-write it though	[21:09]
OgNasty	smarter people than you or I are behind the writing and there are reasons for it.	[21:09]
OgNasty	these bitcoin assets are in fantasyland with their naming conventions...	[21:10]
OgNasty	I have enough experience with publicly traded assets to know that it's all BS and the exchanges will fold just like GLBSE when pressure gets put on them.	[21:10]
OgNasty	Don't act like my asset is "stupid" and "not interesting" because I'm prepared for the "when" while everyone else is thinking about the "if"	[21:11]
pigeons	its not interesting cause i thought its a mining bond. you tell me its not a mining bond but you wont tell me what it is. it has nothing to do with that you think legal issues go away ...cause fanclub	[21:13]
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OgNasty	well, then wait and see what we have in store next and maybe it will be more interesting and you'll become a fan.	[21:15]
pigeons	alright. thanks for the information	[21:16]
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OgNasty	If we were to be looked at as a mining bond, then an accurate claim might be that we're a mining bond which will increase from 1mh/s to 42mh/s over the coming 6 months. ;) So if difficulty jumps by 40x and BTC price falls, it would be a bad bond to buy (but it isn't a bond, it's an operation).	[21:18]
pigeons	yes i see mining operation would be more accurate than mining bond	[21:18]
OgNasty	With that being said, until the next time I grace this channel to again question the validity of not listing the 3rd most popular asset. :)	[21:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 914 @ 0.00071815 = 0.6564 BTC [+]	[21:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4736 @ 0.00071954 = 3.4077 BTC [+]	[21:19]
OgNasty	Hopefully next time our market value will be in the millions. ;) Happy St. Paddy's Day tomorrow. Stay safe.	[21:19]
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pigeons	well kakobrekla, why aren't you listing it?	[21:20]
Anduck	what weere ognasty talking about	[21:21]
Anduck	?	[21:21]
Anduck	what asset+	[21:21]
Anduck	?	[21:21]
pigeons	ognasty would like his fan club trades to be streamed to this channel	[21:21]
Anduck	hmm?	[21:21]
Anduck	why not?	[21:21]
pigeons	i asked kako above	[21:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9864 @ 0.00071954 = 7.0975 BTC [+]	[21:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9246 @ 0.00071961 = 6.6535 BTC [+]	[21:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00071809 = 5.2062 BTC [-]	[21:30]
kakobrekla	cause the lame-o-meter reads too high.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	I have enough experience with publicly traded assets to know that it's all BS and the exchanges will fold just like GLBSE when pressure gets put on them. <<	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	document that please ?	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	but that is a maybe << avalon is doing about as well, ain't it ?	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	why are people paying .95 when AM is on BF for .8? << prolly cause bf won't stream ?	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	I'd say more stats and transparency than ANY OTHER asset. << now you're just being an ass.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	o, he conveniently left. heh.	[21:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C410T] 4 @ 0.23 = 0.92 BTC [+]	[21:47]
MJR_	lol	[21:50]
pigeons	who knew securites law allows you to circumvent by calling your operation a fan club	[21:51]
kakobrekla	for the record	[21:51]
kakobrekla	20:45.49 ( kakobrekla ) also im not even thinking of listing someone who is not at least semi active in assets	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	actually reviewing my logs, this guy is on the record logging in under a fake name but with his own ip to "cast aspersions on my morality" or somesuch.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	weird character.	[21:53]
kakobrekla	which name?	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	1 sec	[21:53]
kakobrekla	was it nefario?	[21:54]
kakobrekla	muahah.	[21:54]
smickles	lol	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/wD0S2g8x	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	bastone, as it turns out.	[21:56]
kakobrekla	;;seen bastone	[21:57]
gribble	bastone was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: I'm not going to take the time to look it up.	[21:57]
kakobrekla	well im not going to take the time to look up nasty so FU	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	Sep 30 22:32:36 this glbse thing you ask about is a blip.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	jesus i rule, in retrospe4ct.	[21:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009989 = 0.02 BTC [+]	[21:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.86 BTC [-]	[21:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [-]	[21:58]
smickles	Sep 30 22:32:36 this glbse thing you ask about is a blip.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i remember he had a god awful logo but upon suggestion fixed it. perhaps in time	[21:58]
kakobrekla	you call that fixed?	[21:58]
kakobrekla	want, you dont see green?	[21:59]
kakobrekla	wait*	[21:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00071961 = 6.6924 BTC [+]	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	im colorblind.	[22:00]
kakobrekla	dollars dont interest mp.	[22:00]
kakobrekla	yeah it would be better gray only	[22:00]
kakobrekla	lucky.	[22:00]
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mircea_popescu	aand deposits flushed	[22:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00071961 = 2.5906 BTC [+]	[22:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4911 @ 0.00071961 = 3.534 BTC [+]	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1889 @ 0.00072266 = 1.3651 BTC [+]	[22:14]
ThickAsThieves	i missed this whole ognasty conversation, I must have him blocked from some other name too (and ive only been here a couple mos or so)	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	i'm guessing that Bicknelski guy	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	or however it was spelled	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	the drama is strong today it seems	[22:19]
ThickAsThieves	BG still beating BCTC on AM 24-hr volume ฿476 to ฿320	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	BG=BF	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	lol this sounds like a bet.	[22:29]
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ThickAsThieves	I'd rather see "Asicminer shares will reach ฿1.25 BTC"	[22:31]
ThickAsThieves	or such	[22:31]
ThickAsThieves	what's a good amount?	[22:31]
ThickAsThieves	at about .87 now	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	ill bet you they don't pass 1.	[22:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00072266 = 12.5382 BTC [+]	[22:37]
ThickAsThieves	how much?	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	make a bet lol	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	i submitted 1.35	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	but thats more the community to ponder	[22:40]
ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt bet that high	[22:40]
ThickAsThieves	i would bet on 1 though	[22:40]
ThickAsThieves	hell, someone could take it up to 1 today with 200btc	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	hm that;s a point	[22:44]
jurov	kakobrekla, speaking about BF, did you come to some conclusion with ukto about streaming trades?	[22:54]
kakobrekla	he asked for spec i have him spec	[22:55]
kakobrekla	gave*	[22:55]
kakobrekla	fuck ze kezyboard.	[22:55]
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jurov	if that's nasty non-mining-bond is so good, why no passthroughs then?	[22:57]
jurov	it should have 5 each on bf and btct	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	kako, is web sockets something you'll just end up implementing inevitably anyway?	[22:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.0019 = 9.5 BTC [+]	[22:58]
kakobrekla	for assbot?	[22:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00195 = 9.75 BTC [+]	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[22:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00072266 = 1.8428 BTC [+]	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	like is it a sensible progression	[22:58]
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kakobrekla	well, the rate of posting would need to be high to justify it, but then again then its questionable if irc can handle that	[22:59]
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ThickAsThieves	i wonder how long it will be til that becomes a problem	[23:00]
kakobrekla	probably never	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	irc is a 1 second/line rule iirc	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	and they're not likely to change it. we would have to make our own irc server/equiv of freenode first	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	which is not undoable but certainly not called for yet	[23:00]
kakobrekla	you can do more in a row	[23:00]
ThickAsThieves	or just have a web page the streams	[23:00]
kakobrekla	but if you go over 1 a sec over prolonged period	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla still, that's what they recomend	[23:00]
kakobrekla	you have problem	[23:01]
kakobrekla	s	[23:01]
kakobrekla	also	[23:01]
kakobrekla	it will be impossible to chat	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	kak ya i imagine assbot will stop streaming and make hourly update summaries or somesuch	[23:01]
kakobrekla	theres -assets-trades	[23:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2210 @ 0.00197 = 4.3537 BTC [+]	[23:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.001975 = 9.875 BTC [+]	[23:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00198 = 9.9 BTC [+]	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 740 @ 0.001985 = 1.4689 BTC [+]	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	o.o	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 7050 @ 0.002014 = 14.1987 BTC [+]	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	also in the news, bbet beats asicminer	[23:02]
kakobrekla	those were ipo shares	[23:03]
kakobrekla	at least ending with.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	o ipo got hit ? sweet.	[23:07]
kakobrekla	o wait no	[23:09]
kakobrekla	not sure at least	[23:09]
kakobrekla	someone made 10k blocks priced differently	[23:10]
kakobrekla	what a trick.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	haha	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	interesting concept	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	i wonder	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	hm, do you suppose he was like "o, they're buying their own shares" ?	[23:11]
kakobrekla	lol	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	maybe just wanted to blend in for aesthetic reasons	[23:11]
kakobrekla	:DD	[23:12]
kakobrekla	a big wall would look scarier	[23:12]
kakobrekla	1 satoshi diff makes it better	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	you know that may be right	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	we're gonna end up with a degree in field psychology from watching btc trading	[23:12]
kakobrekla	:DD	[23:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6124 @ 0.00072266 = 4.4256 BTC [+]	[23:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13976 @ 0.00072268 = 10.1002 BTC [+]	[23:13]
ThickAsThieves	i definitely use tricks in pricing	[23:13]
pigeons	i just decide what i'm willing to pay for each fan club and offer that	[23:14]
kakobrekla	rofl	[23:14]
jurov	it's field psychiatry in some cases	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	jurov :p	[23:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [+]	[23:15]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153979.0	[23:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 0.9 = 17.1 BTC [+]	[23:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.9 = 1.8 BTC [+]	[23:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[23:18]
MJR_	lol what is up with the fan club thing?	[23:19]
kakobrekla	dunno, that whole thing seems nasty.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	MJR_ i have no idea.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	im not even sure what the thing is. i hate these sites that make you log in	[23:20]
MJR_	yeah	[23:20]
pigeons	if you were a smart investor, you'd know ;)	[23:20]
MJR_	hahaha	[23:21]
kakobrekla	pigeons stop cranking me up	[23:21]
kakobrekla	people will come knocking for comedy show	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:21]
pigeons	i'm here all week, tip your assbot	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	im not an investor at all, im just the devil of bitcoin.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, how long till satoshi comes back from the heavens to banish the devil ? it could make nice paintings and all.	[23:22]
kakobrekla	lol	[23:22]
MJR_	could satoshi prove he was satoshi?	[23:22]
kakobrekla	the cryber christ.	[23:22]
kakobrekla	singing with the coins for first block should do it	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	the saint georgecoin	[23:23]
kakobrekla	from	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	or would it be coingeorge ?	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	hell... maybe boy george had it sorta right all along	[23:23]
MJR_	lol	[23:23]
MJR_	well that is unless he spent them all	[23:23]
MJR_	hmmm, wait he'd only need to sign a message from that address	[23:24]
kakobrekla	well yea	[23:24]
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MJR_	not actually have any coins in it	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	if he still has the wallet.	[23:25]
kakobrekla	yeah just priv key from that addy	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	course it wasn't encrypted at the time	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	so a good argument could be made someone else found it	[23:25]
kakobrekla	iirc those coins are still there	[23:25]
kakobrekla	i dont give enough shit to check	[23:26]
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MJR_	it's funny though, you see his chat logs pasted around like bible verses	[23:27]
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kakobrekla	you do?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	lol at "Guest476845654". it looks so inconspicuous	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	esp since freenode uses 5 digits	[23:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 30 @ 0.105 = 3.15 BTC [+]	[23:28]
kakobrekla	known ip?	[23:29]
pigeons	satoshi or guest? satoshi used tor	[23:29]
kakobrekla	guest :p	[23:29]
kakobrekla	smart satoshi.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	ok, finally getting ready to move the mpex trade engine to its new home.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	trading will be stopped in one hour.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	trading should resume in about 10 minutes.	[23:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12698 @ 0.00072268 = 9.1766 BTC [+]	[23:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00072441 = 9.2724 BTC [+]	[23:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1702 @ 0.00072563 = 1.235 BTC [+]	[23:38]
jurov	And Satoshi entered the Blockchain and drove out all who sold and bought in the Blockchain, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[23:41]
jurov	lol there ya go pigeons.. even Matthew 21:12 mentions you	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	you're talented, can you also draw ?	[23:41]
jurov	yea cherry trucks and like	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	if you feel like it, make a little bitcoin bible. with miniatures and shit	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	that'd kill. perfect way to start a blog	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	The Buttcoin Bubble aka Bitcoin Bible	[23:43]
jurov	bubbly butt, yum	[23:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0007219 = 2.3101 BTC [-]	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00071809 = 5.3857 BTC [-]	[23:45]
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MJR_	that would be funny	[23:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00071883 = 9.4167 BTC [+]	[23:55]
vampireb	!ticker mpex s.dice	[23:59]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005 / 0.00515678 / 0.00588217 (35046 shares, 180.72 BTC), 7D: 0.005 / 0.00552053 / 0.006 (85485 shares, 471.92 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00612233 / 0.0069 (2391935 shares, 14,644.22 BTC)	[23:59]

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