Forum logs for 16 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot By the way, here's my 2013 interview with Silk Road's DPR that the DHS told a judge "sounds very much like Karpeles" [00:06]
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pete_dushenski thx! [00:07]
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thestringpuller yay for canadians [00:09]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: south park-ified would have an egg head lol [00:09]
thestringpuller "canadian head" like ike [00:09]
pete_dushenski the ponziest of lands! [00:09]
pete_dushenski stupid chf! thx for blowing our cover guise! [00:10]
mircea_popescu well... you got a pension system right ? just like the us ? [00:10]
mircea_popescu that's a ponzi right there. [00:10]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller now there would be a caricature :) [00:10]
pete_dushenski pension and then some [00:11]
BingoBoingo [00:11]
assbot Linus Torvalds on why he isn’t nice: “I don’t care about you” | Ars Technica ... ( ) [00:11]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu so naturally the fees on canada's pension scheme have been escalating of late. it was once 1% of income, now up to 4% or something [00:12]
* mircea_popescu not about to click on more arstechnica etc. qntra or bust. [00:12]
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joecool BingoBoingo: put it up again in a week when buzzfeed gets it [00:14]
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assbot Knowing when to head for the exits is how the rich stay rich. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [00:14]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski best header so far. [00:15]
mircea_popescu by far. [00:15]
mircea_popescu make VEX allcaps ultrathick. [00:16]
mircea_popescu and get rid of that idiotic one inch white atop the header. [00:16]
pete_dushenski the colour pops eh? but ya, the "vex" is too quiet... [00:16]
decimation asciilifeform: what does it mean that Dr. Wertheimer decided to post his 'apology' in the AMS journal? [00:16]
asciilifeform decimation: nsa is the largest employer of folks with any type of maths degree in usa. [00:18]
asciilifeform decimation: whether this constitutes 'meaning' - i do not know. [00:19]
decimation so this is a tacit admission that they can't hire anymore? [00:19]
ben_vulpes << why are hydraulic actuators losing fluid? [00:20]
assbot SpaceX Problem Falcon9 Crash Landing - Business Insider ... ( ) [00:20]
asciilifeform decimation: unlikely [00:20]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes bad gaskets ? [00:20]
ben_vulpes << engineering? [00:21]
assbot /alankerlin Hydraulics are usually closed, but that adds mass vs short acting open systems. F9 fins only work for 4 mins. We were ~10% off. [00:21]
ben_vulpes if you have to carry the shit use on the way down, why... [00:21]
ben_vulpes perhaps the add'l costs of sealed systems? [00:21]
ben_vulpes grid fins are interesting. [00:22]
decimation actually if the rocket lands 'face up', won't the fins be facing the 'wrong way'? [00:22]
decimation seems like you would want vectored thrust [00:22]
ben_vulpes these fins are at the top of the stage. [00:22]
decimation ah interesting [00:22]
ben_vulpes passively stable control problem. [00:23]
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ben_vulpes decimation: i think they *do* have vectored thrust, but the relight operation is risky and adds complexity to reentry trajectory. [00:23]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: docker is like being a kid at christmas all over again [00:24]
thestringpuller what base image do you use for python apps? [00:24]
ben_vulpes debian:6 [00:25]
ben_vulpes (hue) [00:25]
ben_vulpes ubuntu, typically. [00:25]
ben_vulpes if biting off the braindamage, why not eat all layers of the cake. [00:25]
decimation ben_vulpes: ah, it seems they also have external retrorockets [00:25]
decimation probably solid fuel [00:25]
ben_vulpes decimation: "probably" << based on what? [00:25]
ben_vulpes SRBs are not (afaik) extinguishable, relightable or throttleable. [00:26]
ben_vulpes this leaves you with vectoring which is...not really enough for the task at hand. [00:26]
decimation from your article: "In September 2013, SpaceX successfully fired boosters as the rocket fell to Earth, slowing it down so it could land softly." [00:26]
decimation so I interpret 'boosters' as 'external retro packs' [00:27]
decimation but the guy who wrote it could be a 'tard [00:27]
ben_vulpes decimation: which link? [00:27]
decimation the businessinsider article [00:27]
ben_vulpes hm [00:28]
decimation oh wait, I"m looking at a different article [00:28]
ben_vulpes i'm only seeing two occurences of the string "slow" and neither in the context you quoted. [00:28]
assbot SpaceX Reuseable Falcon 9 Ocean Landing - Business Insider ... ( ) [00:28]
mircea_popescu of course that'd be exactly opposite of boosting. [00:28]
ben_vulpes hush you, it's a sign change. [00:29]
mircea_popescu heh. [00:29]
decimation indeed [00:29]
mircea_popescu npw i finally understand what they mean by boosting the economy. [00:29]
mircea_popescu busting. [00:29]
decimation < that link describes the actual relight sequence for the inital test [00:29]
assbot Upgraded Falcon 9 Mission Overview | SpaceX ... ( ) [00:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31863 @ 0.00043105 = 13.7345 BTC [+] [00:29]
ben_vulpes read the linked article, decimation [00:30]
ben_vulpes business insider is, unsurprisingly, unable to parse straightforward rocket engineering reports. [00:30]
ben_vulpes a) not a booster [00:30]
ben_vulpes b) leave britney alone [00:31]
mircea_popescu i dunno why you ppls keep reading/linking this crud, srsly. they're broken, we know they're broken... i guess it's decent comedy [00:32]
ben_vulpes who's broken? what's broken? [00:33]
mircea_popescu business outsider. [00:33]
mircea_popescu arsderpica. [00:33]
mircea_popescu faker. whatever. [00:33]
ben_vulpes they do quote reddit as sources now [00:33]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: [00:34]
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assbot urbit/sample-apps · GitHub ... ( ) [00:34]
decimation lol. yeah I wish I knew wtf this 'leaking fluid' stuff means [00:34]
ben_vulpes decimation: i don't think it's "leaking" so much as it's not a traditional "closed" hydraulic system. [00:35]
ben_vulpes cursory research indicates that pressurization during powered flight comes from the onboard turbopump and that when not under powered flight there's some pressure reservoir. [00:35]
ben_vulpes turns out, pv=nrt is tricky in practice. [00:35]
ben_vulpes 10%! [00:36]
decimation okay so there's a pre-pressurized tank that is at the top of the rocket, it runs out of pressure after pissing out its fluid [00:36]
decimation make seense [00:36]
mircea_popescu 10% is skill kind-of a lot. [00:36]
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mircea_popescu seeing how you could overfill. [00:37]
decimation well, the problem is that every ounce of that tank costs $$$ [00:37]
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mircea_popescu generally you can overfill any tankb y 10% [00:38]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the urbit samples seem to consist of 'hello world'-style toys [00:38]
mircea_popescu what's it gonna do, write its senator about it ? [00:39]
decimation asciilifeform: moldbug hasn't make something 'useful' of urbit yet? [00:40]
undata what a terrifying syntax [00:40]
* decimation tried to run urbit after it was publicized, got tired of the entire world collapsing every other day [00:40]
asciilifeform decimation: he made something very useful, from own point of view: a few $mil usd. [00:40]
decimation heh. from some theilite? [00:40]
asciilifeform decimation: andresen horowitz, iirc [00:41]
ben_vulpes << undata indeed [00:42]
assbot ... ( ) [00:42]
undata holy operator hell [00:43]
undata then you'd have to memorize their goofy names for things too [00:43]
undata reminds me of the ruby ass-dungeon [00:43]
ben_vulpes why this obsession with new programming languages [00:44]
undata ben_vulpes: scoreboard bro [00:44]
asciilifeform undata: it works quite like, e.g., haskell. [00:44]
undata asciilifeform: seemed it was some kind of functional environment, but I can't read it [00:44]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: mr mold's interest in programming language design, somehow, did not extend to any attempt at self-hosting the apparatus. the bulk of his code, iirc, is in straight c. [00:45]
mircea_popescu why this obsession with new programming languages <<< same reason every us chick has had three prior sex partners. [00:45]
mircea_popescu even the ones that fuck the whole bar. [00:45]
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undata it's all about getting your goofy pile of shit on HN [00:48]
* asciilifeform confesses that he was immediately responsible for getting mr mold's shit onto HN [00:48]
asciilifeform the public repo was initially 'secret' [00:49]
undata demerit! [00:49]
undata heh I don't know, there could be interesting ideas in there; I haven't looked [00:49]
asciilifeform there were, in fact, interesting ideas in there. i quietly followed his work for more than a year. [00:50]
mircea_popescu << guy has a shrine. [00:51]
assbot Firearms Philosophy of Ivan Chesnokov ... ( ) [00:51]
decimation really, moldbug 'needs' at least a few $bil to make hardware [00:51]
undata "MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE" << ahahaha oh god, my sides [00:52]
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mircea_popescu WHAT IS REASON FOR PISTOL GRIP? [00:53]
mircea_popescu that's a good fucking question lmao. sks fired from the hip by teenage boys in rural texas ? no wonder people can't land fucking rockets. [00:54]
undata the guy's right about the mosin [00:56]
undata mine's still in incredible shape [00:56]
mircea_popescu i'd like to hire this guy [00:57]
mircea_popescu do reddit mpex pr. [00:57]
mod6 haha [00:57]
mircea_popescu hey ivan chesnokov : apply will you. all you need is a gpg sig, you can sit behind 7 proxies for all i care. [00:59]
mircea_popescu bitcoin buys many daughter thumb! [00:59]
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mircea_popescu he has a good point re the light tho [01:08]
mircea_popescu that's how you buy an unknown rifle. [01:08]
BingoBoingo Yeah, so much wisdom here/ [01:09]
mircea_popescu somehow it seems to me he uses conscript as transliteration of ciolovek [01:10]
mircea_popescu dude check it out, the only extant country he actually mentions is romania [01:11]
mircea_popescu since no more yugo or motherland. [01:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55001 @ 0.00043648 = 24.0068 BTC [+] {4} [01:14]
decimation my dad recently had his kitchen floor rebuilt. the wooden floor carpenters were apparently all romanian [01:15]
mircea_popescu i can see it. [01:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00043134 = 6.1897 BTC [-] [01:17]
asciilifeform decimation: mr mold said to be (publicly, iirc) that he is not interested in making hardware. [01:18]
decimation that doesn't mean that hardware isn't interested in him! [01:18]
mircea_popescu generally the paper revolutionaries looking for a little "investment" tend to make it clear they don't actually wish to rock the boat. [01:22]
decimation ;;ticker [01:24]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 216.9, Best ask: 217.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 217.0, 24 hour volume: 73997.24940145, 24 hour low: 189.47, 24 hour high: 233.9, 24 hour vwap: 211.842718099 [01:24]
asciilifeform *said to me [01:25]
decimation thestringpuller: you posted a few weeks ago, it's quite amusing [01:31]
assbot Bitcoin Obituaries: Following Bitcoin While It Dies & Goes Up in Price ... ( ) [01:31]
BingoBoingo [01:32]
assbot sacred cows, the second serving. | the munchkin wrangler. ... ( ) [01:32]
mircea_popescu [01:33]
assbot Queen of Feminism — Be Careful of "Switch Rape" ... ( ) [01:33]
mircea_popescu "So I think I was raped last night…. Or sexually assaulted. I was hooking up with this guy I regularly hook up with since the break up, but I’m not really into him and just kinda want him to satisfy me u know? So we were having sex like usual…. But then he turned me around and began penetrating me from behind “doggy style.” He kept going. Not ONCE did he ask if it was ok to change positions. What should I do [01:33]
mircea_popescu ??! I don’t want him to hate me because I have a crush on his hot friend, but rape is not ok. I let him continue and we both came, but it’s natural to have sensations even when raped. I can’t even think straight anymore idk what to do. Thinking about posting his Facebook here." [01:33]
mircea_popescu problem with idiots is that even middlingly executed parody is indistinguishable from their actual creeds. [01:34]
asciilifeform 'Twice the recoil of the 9mm for 10% more muzzle energy.' << physics??? [01:35]
mircea_popescu energy is mv**2 ; impules is mv [01:35]
mircea_popescu i imagine he means recoil = impulse [01:35]
mircea_popescu thus it's more productive energy-wise to use faster bullets, not larger slower ones. [01:36]
* asciilifeform still waiting to hear of man-portable 'light gas' gun. [01:38]
mircea_popescu meanwhile. [01:38]
assbot ... ( ) [01:38]
decimation << lol "To head off a trial and the exposure of reams of incriminating emails, Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe — the four remaining defendants — are offering to pay $415 million, according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations." "Last spring, the two sides agreed on $324.5 million. After legal fees, that would [01:40]
decimation have amounted to a few thousand dollars for each of the 64,000 class members." [01:40]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [01:40]
mircea_popescu lol. only half a billion ? [01:41]
mircea_popescu but they can spend A TRILLION for a shitty plane, those people ? [01:41]
decimation of course, esteemed professors in USG law explain how this is good: Ms. Lobel said. “But it’s a good result in that there has been much media attention to the illegality of such retention practices, real monetary consequences and promises to cease all such practices in the future.”" [01:41]
mircea_popescu how come the disparity ? [01:41]
mircea_popescu why's google, apple and etc not pay a trillion ? it's just bezzlars anyway. [01:42]
mircea_popescu but they're suddenly NOT the same thing if they leave the circuit, are they. [01:42]
asciilifeform especially not this way. [01:42]
decimation hey little engineer derp! here's $5k for us supressing your wage for a decade - it's cool because the newspapers have said google is bad [01:42]
mircea_popescu especially not. [01:42]
asciilifeform if apple, google, spend 1000 usd, publicly - think of the stock value [01:42]
mircea_popescu yet it was ok for bp to be assessed a trillion. [01:42]
asciilifeform think of the punctured illusion of fat industry. [01:43]
mircea_popescu because it went from bezzle pocket t obezzle pocket. [01:43]
decimation well, bp is bad because oil is bad [01:43]
mircea_popescu these magical money that make anyone rich up to the point where they'rer to be spent... [01:43]
asciilifeform 'gnomish gold' [01:43]
mircea_popescu x company sells for 100 mn. you talk to the founders... they made 50k off the deal. [01:43]
mircea_popescu rly ? [01:43]
asciilifeform or what was the legend. [01:43]
mircea_popescu "yreah, my gf sells romance novels, it was like 3 of her books" [01:44]
mircea_popescu "well i guess that's fair, they also sell for 20-30mn" [01:44]
decimation mircea_popescu: conversely, it makes 'total sense' for the management of apple or whoever to buy back stock [01:44]
decimation curiously they are all compensated directly in stock options & equivilents... [01:44]
mircea_popescu doh. [01:45]
mircea_popescu buffett explained this scam back when he was still you know, possessed of himself. [01:45]
mircea_popescu hire some derp to work your company, pay him by share price, next thing you know he;'s buying up your stock. [01:45]
mircea_popescu with your own moneyt [01:46]
mircea_popescu and making the %. [01:46]
decimation exactly. in the us system it's even worse, given the pervasive nature of index-fund investing by derps with retirements [01:46]
mircea_popescu socialistoids of all flavours praise this system of "dilute ownership" [01:47]
mircea_popescu because, obviously, it gives no one actual power. [01:47]
xiando that bitcoin in commieland is starting to look like a wedge don't it oh well [01:47]
decimation mircea_popescu: it makes the little people feel like they are getting their money's worth, as their stock valuation rises, while the management cashes out [01:48]
decimation it's a brillant scam if you can run it [01:48]
mircea_popescu hey xiando , translate this to chinese for me ? [01:48]
assbot If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:48]
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mircea_popescu decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people, [01:48]
mircea_popescu you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers. [01:49]
xiando I do not speak chinese so sorry [01:50]
mircea_popescu oh ? hm, i guess i got confused. [01:51]
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assbot Judge Forrest ended the first week of the Silk Road trial by reminding the jury not to watch the Princess Bride over the weekend. [02:01]
mircea_popescu lol wut ?! [02:01]
mircea_popescu [02:01]
assbot ... ( ) [02:01]
BingoBoingo The Silk Road Aministrator title is a reference to the plot of that film. [02:02]
mircea_popescu yeah but... [02:03]
mircea_popescu so what if they do watch it ? [02:03]
BingoBoingo They must acquit [02:04]
mircea_popescu uh. [02:04]
mircea_popescu you know, for an ironclad case the prosecution claims, and for an independence from the state the judge pretends, [02:04]
BingoBoingo Because Gox collapsed because the FBI took all of Karpales coins in the silk road bust. [02:04]
mircea_popescu these people are pretty fucking worried. [02:04]
BingoBoingo Yeah [02:05]
BingoBoingo From that julia who stopped by a few times: [02:05]
assbot The trial is going in the favor of defense and they are panicking so we can't give them a reason to anonymize the jury. No signs. No signs. [02:05]
mircea_popescu why is she dumb enough to play ball lmao. [02:06]
mircea_popescu let them "anonymize" the jury. da fuck do you care. [02:06]
mircea_popescu not like you're going to do anything whatsoever BECAUSE of the usg. [02:06]
mircea_popescu never again. do what you will, and fuck them. [02:06]
decimation interesting, the march 15 euro future on CME is at $1.16, with a $1.16 call at $0.0248 and put at $0.0195 [02:06]
mircea_popescu expecting more volatility ? [02:07]
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asciilifeform lol, they let the jury home ? [02:09]
decimation I guess the simple call-put analysis would imply a future increase in price [02:11]
decimation but that was the case a few weeks ago, and the future has fallen [02:11]
decimation I suppose the simple (call-put) analysis ignores the prevailing interest rates in each currency, which would also affect the future price [02:13]
mircea_popescu justusranvier [02:13]
assbot Transaction Fees and the Future of Bitcoin | ... ( ) [02:13]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: buffett's textile plants: i once worked with a greybeard - a former director of a research lab at, iirc, kodak (many years ago.) he was reduced to programming by ill fortune, age, disease. told many stories, but concerning textiles, that his laboratory was built inside an abandoned textiles plant, one of a great many in the american south. [02:16]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It seems so. [02:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they were abruptly hollowed out and made good 'floors' for remaining concerns - pharma, call centres, etc. [02:17]
mircea_popescu yep [02:17]
mircea_popescu it's a fine way to gut a well established entreprise. [02:17]
mircea_popescu "revolutionize" it. [02:17]
decimation kodak is an excellent example of a company selling off its economically viable business for no reason [02:18]
mircea_popescu that's not really the mechanism here tho. [02:18]
mircea_popescu anyway, if ever there was a social experiment to illustrate just how little computer geeks understand, bitcoin's it. [02:19]
mircea_popescu all sorts of things seem obvious by simile to people with no experience and not much intellectual curiosity. [02:19]
* asciilifeform isn't certain that 'computer geeks' - as commonly understood - were yet ever involved with bitcoin in appreciable numbers [02:20]
mircea_popescu yet somehow their inability to score girlfriends or be the life of the party does not even begin to hint to them that perhaps they're ill prepared to judge economic phenomena. [02:20]
mircea_popescu dunning kruger is not reserved to idiots. it's just another name for the aspie's sufferance. [02:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean mostly the ruby and web2.0 "we r code" bunch. [02:21]
mircea_popescu like gavin, or the rest. the million people that's a million extra hands on github [02:21]
asciilifeform the programmatory equivalent of chinese textile labourers ? [02:21]
mircea_popescu them exactly. [02:21]
mircea_popescu it's what computer geek means, these days. "shy, socially awkward teenager that doesn't know how to use computers, in spite of spending a lot of time with them" [02:22]
decimation so, the chinese peasant is a textile hobbyist in the way that the 'computer geek' is a programming hobbyist? [02:22]
mircea_popescu quite. [02:22]
decimation yeah, I can see that. note that this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros [02:23]
mircea_popescu they probably learn more useful & important stuff playing counterstrike than mashing the kbd for code. [02:23]
asciilifeform except that cloth unquestionably exists and is useful. [02:23]
mircea_popescu decimation oh, it's noted. [02:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform cloth unquestionably exists ; so exists bad code. [02:23]
mircea_popescu that it's useful... depends. [02:23]
mircea_popescu i keep the girls nude indoors. [02:24]
mircea_popescu and outdoors half the time for that matter. [02:24]
mircea_popescu now if in question were shoes... or rifles... but they aren't, are they. [02:24]
mircea_popescu << speaking of shoes. [02:24]
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asciilifeform those are shoes ?! [02:25]
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mircea_popescu after a fashoen [02:25]
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asciilifeform this wave of 'volunteers' makes life very difficult for actual pros << how?? [02:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00068347 = 2.0504 BTC [+] {8} [02:28]
mircea_popescu hard to be found and find peers when drowning in sewage & assorted cuntpuss [02:28]
asciilifeform (i can think of perhaps one or two ways, but labour competition is quite certainly not one of them) [02:28]
asciilifeform this, yes [02:29]
mircea_popescu o, you need more / [02:29]
asciilifeform the extinction of adequate physical equipment, also. [02:29]
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mircea_popescu "not worth making anymore", because "no market". [02:29]
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mircea_popescu because somehow inexplicably cuntpuss has purchasing power. for shame. [02:29]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Are those shoes hard forms? [02:29]
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asciilifeform sufficiently many ants - kill elephant. [02:30]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic they look to me like a steel frame tied to the calf and foot. [02:30]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I've been looking for a heel form specifically like that to wear for long trips in my sportscar. Minus all the metal and straps. I think a heel form support over the outside of a vibram would probably double my range without rest. [02:32]
midnightmagic (without wrecking my ability to heel&toe) [02:32]
mircea_popescu twenty years ago you could have leather shoes made by design to order in quantities of one, up in harlem. [02:33]
mircea_popescu by now... i have nfi. [02:33]
midnightmagic hrm [02:33]
mircea_popescu there must be some shop left somewhere that still does it. they make chain mail by hand and whatnot, i can't imagine shoemakers all died out. [02:34]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly. [02:35]
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midnightmagic that's a good idea.. for a long time I thought I'd have to cast a form out of carbon fiber or something [02:37]
mircea_popescu you can trivially make it out of silicone. it'll suck. [02:38]
midnightmagic i need undeformable support. the weight of my leg on my heel while driving is pretty excruciating, but normal shoes would ruin my feel of the floor and pedals [02:39]
midnightmagic anyway, excuse the offtopic [02:40]
midnightmagic or.. tangent at any rate [02:40]
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BingoBoingo OMG the conspiracy theories on Gox Road are coalescing into almost sense.. [11:53]
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mircea_popescu o hai. [11:53]
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TomServo Another great article BingoBoingo. [11:54]
BingoBoingo Thanks TomServo, been chewing on that one too long prolly. [11:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol always great to read the comedy gold classics every time us policy backfires massively. [11:54]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " So far it hasn't been enforced due to its extreme vagary, but in the unstable environment of applied United States law. Not with the sudden resurgence of threats to invoke the All Writs Act reentering the public discourse in late 2014." [11:58]
mircea_popescu that not right in there ? [11:58]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just rewrote that sentence, hazard of multi session writing. [12:00]
mircea_popescu "Expenditure for the year comprised of 3 totals as some costs could not be settled in BTC or were preferably settled in XMR. Our expenditure was 190.513492 BTC + 1 891.31 XMR + US $5 732.80, which is around the 212 BTC mark. Thus the shortfall of 164.5 BTC was paid out of the Core Team's own pockets in the hopes of recovering the funds later on (ie. just in case anyone was wondering, not only do the core team not get p [12:03]
mircea_popescu aid at all, but we've put a significant amount of funds into Monero)." [12:03]
mircea_popescu this would explain the shockingly large 50 btc donations figure for an altcoin i guess. [12:04]
mircea_popescu 35 weeks of development (245 days) since Monero was inherited by the Core Team 594 separate commits << inherited by whom ? how ? if that inherited had linked to a gpg signed testament... [12:05]
davout mircea_popescu: maybe in the sense that it was inherited as a messy bytecoin code base [12:05]
mircea_popescu i guess. [12:06]
* mircea_popescu hated that "illustrative" graph too. fucking sleek but meaningless graphics. [12:06]
mircea_popescu Testing infrastructure consists of a Mac Mini hosted at MacStadium, as well as a beefy testing box hosted at Hetzner in Germany, on which we have a number of VMs for the various operating systems and variants we target. >> much better. [12:07]
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davout i was personnally quite impressed by the "let's start by a financial report" [12:08]
mircea_popescu ok, sure. not bad that. [12:08]
mircea_popescu "OpenAlias is different. Not only does it "square Zooko's triangle" " << the entire discusison of that thing (my mind went, ok, let's try and poke one particular thing and see" is nice and all for the zooko discussion, but a) it's not clear to me what's the relation to open alias corporation if any [12:09]
mircea_popescu (when what looks like a term of art has basically two apparently divorced meanings via google, it's suspicious if they don't seem mutually aware) [12:09]
mircea_popescu in any case it'd benefit from an explanation of itself. [12:10]
mircea_popescu "With the two attacks we thwarted in 2014, the GUI development had to take a bit of a backseat." << in depth description ? links ? somehow for me to evaluate if they're due to the world being full of idiots (ddos ?) or the devs being idiots (we were using ruby!!1) [12:11]
mircea_popescu Hey! This page will never end! Just keep on scrolling to see more posts! < lol busted. anyway! i guess it goes back i nthe pile that has been holding "open transactyions" since about 2011. [12:12]
mircea_popescu "And for three years it worked. But on Thursday the Swiss suddenly gave up. We don’t know exactly why; nobody I know believes the official explanation, that it’s a response to a weakening euro. " << ha-ha. everyone you DON'T know knows the explanation. it was published on fucking trilema for crissakes, not even as a news item. [12:14]
mircea_popescu that what the us considers important thinkers have no access to basic data, because they're isolated on a WoI, should speak volumes. [12:15]
TomServo In glancing through the comments on Krugman's piece, he seems to be getting pretty well lambasted there. [12:17]
mircea_popescu nah, it didn't happen. [12:17]
mircea_popescu those people just failed to "enter the looking glass world" when "everybody" did. [12:17]
mircea_popescu they were left on this other side with nobody, and putin. [12:18]
mircea_popescu it's kind-of remarkable (not really) just how self-labeling stupidity actually is. the difference between trying to "explain yourself" as an idiot and simply wearing a lot of large "hey everyone, i'm the idiot!" signs and tags is hard to notice. [12:18]
mircea_popescu "So let’s learn from the Swiss. They’ve been careful; they’ve maintained sound money for generations. And now they’re paying the price." [12:20]
mircea_popescu epic. [12:20]
mircea_popescu such a price, rly. [12:20]
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mircea_popescu kk. [12:28]
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BingoBoingo Apparently the dollar fell against 87 octane yesterday at retail [12:34]
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BingoBoingo Qntra endorsement found on twitter [12:36]
assbot What I find interesting about it, is that it appears to be effortless; like these are the cast offs, the "While ima here, Ill let you know". [12:36]
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mircea_popescu i dunno what that means ? [12:37]
BingoBoingo I'm not sure either, but the tweets surrounding it are praise [12:37]
rithm BingoBoingo I know some spots who sell 87 octane for 1.88 cash and 1.99 credit fwiw [12:37]
rithm sorta recentish [12:38]
BingoBoingo rithm: There's one that always has that spread a couple towns over. [12:38]
rithm interesting [12:38]
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BingoBoingo But yesterday Went from $1.79 up to $2.09 and this morning back to $1.79, that volatility [12:39]
BingoBoingo Also... model of integrity here [12:39]
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mircea_popescu not bad. [12:41]
mircea_popescu "LSU football equipment is leased to student-athetes, who are not allowed to give it away or sell it." fucking outrage. [12:42]
BingoBoingo Well according to the NCAA written rules, they aren't alowed to. According to the unwritten rules of the actual government of the sport they totally are allowed to give away and sell it. [12:43]
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kakobrekla o look our friend [13:27]
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xanthyos hello fellow bitcoiners, what are my poker chips worth today? [13:44]
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kakobrekla bah no cardano mention [13:57]
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thestringpuller Argentina got dat recipe [14:12]
thestringpuller dem 3 w's [14:12]
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asciilifeform wait wat [14:38]
asciilifeform why would that thing mention it ever [14:38]
kakobrekla yea yea [14:38]
asciilifeform hilarity. [14:39]
asciilifeform i wish i knew why folks still think rng is high science. it isn't. [14:40]
kakobrekla well they rave about "support other crypto project" [14:40]
kakobrekla but only the unworthy. [14:40]
asciilifeform there used to be at least half a dozen small pc-based rng on the market. [14:40]
kakobrekla and mp had direct contact with the man iirc [14:40]
kakobrekla so i guess i had my expectations scammed [14:40]
asciilifeform lol [14:41]
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asciilifeform 'conditioning' normally called 'whitening' [14:48]
asciilifeform why these folks renamed it, i cannot say. [14:49]
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asciilifeform ^ past threads [14:49]
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asciilifeform 'whitening' an rng is mostly fooling yourself. [14:50]
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asciilifeform von neumann's balancer is not a whitener. [14:51]
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asciilifeform (how and why it works is a primary school level mathematical proof. i recommend that anyone unfamiliar with it, try to derive) [14:52]
pete_dushenski << what good is a blog if you can't take a run at local politicians, amirite? [14:52]
assbot Go ahead Jim Prentice: raise taxes in Alberta and see if by 2025 the province isn’t an economic shithole like Quebec and Ontario. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [14:52]
pete_dushenski somehow ended up almost 2300 words in length [14:53]
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pete_dushenski gotta give the politicians something to chew on over the weekend [14:56]
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thestringpuller hey look a pete_dushenski [15:02]
thestringpuller i see him more often now [15:02]
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thestringpuller Quebec is cool as fuck [15:03]
pete_dushenski your eyes are just getting better [15:03]
thestringpuller I <3 french canadians [15:03]
pete_dushenski fantastic place to visit, wouldn't want to live there. [15:03]
pete_dushenski so i visit pretty much every year [15:04]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller where are you located again? [15:05]
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thestringpuller the lost city of Atlanta [15:07]
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pete_dushenski a yes, where that *other* very bad racist joo is trying to sell the basketball team [15:10]
pete_dushenski levenson or something [15:10]
thestringpuller i never knew he owned the hawks until recently [15:11]
thestringpuller people aren't really complaining too heavily tho locally since the teams is actually good this season [15:11]
thestringpuller fucking 60 bucks for nose bleed tickets [15:11]
pete_dushenski what else is levenson known for? [15:11]
mircea_popescu hallo [15:11]
TomServo Is that the 'no, I assure you I'm racist' self-outing guy? [15:11]
pete_dushenski lol yup [15:11]
pete_dushenski apparently donald sterling is a bit of a trend setter [15:12]
thestringpuller i srsly though the hawks were still owned by Ted Turner/Time Warner [15:13]
thestringpuller thought* [15:13]
mircea_popescu and mp had direct contact with the man iirc << who this again ? [15:13]
kakobrekla onerng or what was it [15:14]
mircea_popescu well whos the guy ? [15:14]
mircea_popescu why these folks renamed it, i cannot say. << guess/ [15:14]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you're missing the point. he won't be there in 2025. [15:15]
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pete_dushenski there's no term limit in alberta [15:15]
mircea_popescu right. [15:15]
pete_dushenski though he could well be another fall guy [15:15]
pete_dushenski like the last chick, lawyer whatever her name was [15:16]
kakobrekla well whos the guy ? < fuck if i know. i just made a bet he wont reply, but he did. iirc. [15:16]
kakobrekla not important any way. [15:16]
mircea_popescu In the immortal rights of Moss, Goddamn right, that's right. Guys come on: "Oh, the blah blah blah, I know what I'll do: I'll go in and rob everyone blind and go to Argentina cause nobody ever thought of this before." [15:16]
mircea_popescu but in other news, [15:18]
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mircea_popescu "The reason for doing this is that we can better reason about the output of a CSPRNG; by contrast, it is difficult to reason about the output of the entropy source." << gotta love the sweet innocence on display here tho. [15:19]
mircea_popescu "why do we interact with the fantastic representations in our head rather than with the flesh and blood woman before us ? IT IS EASIER!" [15:20]
mircea_popescu mmmmmyeah. [15:20]
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mircea_popescu it's not even "easy-difficulty" it's now "better-difficult". fucking psychotic generation already. [15:21]
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pete_dushenski same as the linear projection braindamage [15:21]
assbot Watch SpaceX's Vine "Close, but no cigar. This time." ... ( ) [15:21]
pete_dushenski bandwidth, govn't revenue, same shit [15:21]
pete_dushenski not enough art classes for kids so they get all obsessed with rulers and crayons as adults [15:22]
pete_dushenski "look mom, i made a straight line to infinity!" [15:22]
mircea_popescu "here's the temperatures in the past 30 years. on the basis of this, here's how the temperatures woud have been in the past 5000 years, if our presupositions are correct. on the basis of this, here's the story of the future : our presupositions are correct" [15:22]
mircea_popescu herpy-derp an' a bottle of rum... well not rum. ginger ale. [15:22]
pete_dushenski fizzy bubbly [15:23]
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pete_dushenski << haxxed ? [15:29]
assbot (@UPI) | Twitter ... ( ) [15:29]
pete_dushenski "JUST IN: Bank of America CEO calls for calm: Savings accounts will not be affected by federal reserve decision." [15:30]
pete_dushenski "Pope: "World War III has begun" " [15:30]
pete_dushenski "US Joint Chief of staff: USS George Washington damaged, US navy now engaged in active combat against Chinese vessels in South China sea." [15:30]
pete_dushenski ^i'm gonna go with yes [15:30]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski 2016 [15:31]
thestringpuller vote for pete_dushenski !!! [15:31]
pete_dushenski i already broke into the b-a lordship in 2014 so... [15:32]
pete_dushenski :) [15:32]
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assbot Exclusive: White House says net neutrality legislation not needed [15:34]
mircea_popescu << lolz [15:35]
assbot Vamos a morir Todos ; III guerra mundial - ForoCoches ... ( ) [15:35]
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pete_dushenski it's gone viral! [15:39]
mircea_popescu lol [15:40]
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pete_dushenski also, the white house "doesn't need" all kinds of things it can't do, like stop assad or whatever [15:41]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it would seem the story there isthat obama knows that congress can be bought quite cheaply [15:42]
mircea_popescu it's an unstable situation this, where the supposedly senior rulemaker is cheaper to buy than the supposedly junior partner. [15:42]
mircea_popescu the solution are as always : either make the senior much richer (which really is not feasible) or break the relationship. [15:42]
asciilifeform 'My suggestion was quite simple: Put that needed code number in a little capsule, and then implant that capsule right next to the heart of a volunteer. The volunteer would carry with him a big, heavy butcher knife as he accompanied the President. If ever the President wanted to fire nuclear weapons, the only way he could do so would be for him first, with his own hands, to kill one human being.' [15:44]
asciilifeform ( << old lol ) [15:44]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu sorry, which relationship are you referring to here? [15:45]
mircea_popescu congress-white house [15:45]
pete_dushenski a yes [15:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform who's this idiot [15:46]
pete_dushenski well obama might be the senior partner, but he's only one man [15:46]
pete_dushenski which should conceivably always be cheaper than a whole hoard of congressmen [15:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: some academic, quoted in longer piece [15:47]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski government is the junior partner by tradition / legislation [15:47]
pete_dushenski and since the legislation is choking on its own vomit, the tradition is changing? [15:48]
mircea_popescu maybe. [15:49]
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assbot The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot | Motherboard ... ( ) [15:58]
MetatronOne how saad [15:58]
mircea_popescu kinda old tho [15:59]
MetatronOne well just saw it, had a lol [15:59]
MetatronOne well atleast they can start smoking while undercover [16:01]
mircea_popescu it's somehow the fashionable thing, i dunno. [16:02]
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undata this pot legality thing is just another american political football. no one ever had trouble getting weed, nor passing a drug test. its a distraction issue. [16:07]
jurov rly, no one ever had trouble? [16:08]
undata no one with a brain [16:08]
asciilifeform at one point, doping test was more fashionable than today [16:09]
asciilifeform and it was not necessary to work for usg per se to fall under it. [16:09]
mircea_popescu lmap [16:09]
assbot BitBet - The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015 :: 9.52 B (24%) on Yes, 30.87 B (76%) on No | closing in 10 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`394 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [16:09]
undata asciilifeform: I guess I'm speaking as a guy in his 20s [16:09]
undata I'm thinking of Oregon's legalization and how its lauded as some social victory [16:10]
undata meh, life has not materially changed [16:11]
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undata you want to really change the world, legalize acid [16:13]
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danielpbarron if legalizing stuff changed the world, it would be made illegal [16:15]
jurov ;;ticker [16:15]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.56, Best ask: 206.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 206.86, 24 hour volume: 47784.00195866, 24 hour low: 192.0, 24 hour high: 223.15, 24 hour vwap: 210.245475383 [16:15]
jurov wow [16:16]
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mircea_popescu if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal [16:20]
mircea_popescu i have half a mind to do it anyway. [16:20]
asciilifeform ;;google we begin bombing in five minutes [16:21]
gribble We begin bombing in five minutes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ronald Reagan - We Begin Bombing In 5 Minutes - YouTube: ; Reagan Bombing Joke - YouTube: [16:21]
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TomServo heh [16:21]
mircea_popescu lul wut ? [16:23]
TomServo hadn't heard of dailyhashrate before, reads like bitcoin's onion [16:23]
cazalla mircea_popescu: if illegalizing things did anything i'd make mosquitoes illegal << [16:24]
mircea_popescu cazalla no, but i am not an egotist. i think of my fellow man [16:24]
mircea_popescu and especially woman. [16:24]
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cazalla talk is cheap! make them illegal, be a doer like bill gates [16:25]
mircea_popescu TomServo welll... some guy i never heard of presented on some webpage i never saw before as important, turns out he's another gavin, doing parlour tricks atparties and whatnot. [16:25]
mircea_popescu cazalla words are cheaper than laws that don't work! [16:26]
TomServo I thought he was maybe North America's Dotcom knockoff. [16:26]
asciilifeform 'That night I listened while a colonel explained the war in terms of protein. We were a nation of high-protein, meat-eating hunters, while the other guy just ate rice and a few grungy fish heads. We were going to club him to death with our meat; what could you say except, “Colonel, you’re insane”? … Doomsday celebs, technomaniac projectionists; chemicals, gases, lasers, sonic-electric ballbreakers that were still on th [16:27]
asciilifeform e boards; and for back-up, deep in all their hearts, there were always the Nukes, they loved to remind you that we had some, “right here in-country.” Once I met a colonel who had a plan to shorten the war by dropping piranha into the paddies of the North. He was talking fish but his dreamy eyes were full of mega-death.' [16:27]
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mircea_popescu i wonder what the us army would look like on the ground if they actually started eating the afghanistani. [16:28]
mircea_popescu "bring some dead isis to cook tonight" [16:28]
asciilifeform remains in question who will be the cook, and who - the meal [16:29]
mircea_popescu i dunno how inclined teh arabs would be to fight if losing means they're eaten. [16:29]
asciilifeform do they give a damn re: being eaten? now pigburial may be another matter. [16:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform [16:30]
assbot Reagan tells Soviet jokes - YouTube ... ( ) [16:30]
undata << dunno the veracity of this [16:31]
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mircea_popescu it's a huge no-no. you can't go into afterlife anymore. [16:32]
mircea_popescu you, basically, BECOME sheep. [16:32]
undata better than turned into an islamic woman [16:33]
mircea_popescu no, not actually. [16:33]
mircea_popescu that's the female prayer, thank you allah for not having made me sheep (beast of field) [16:33]
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mircea_popescu the one with "too important, i didn;t recognize him" had me rolling on the floor lol [16:36]
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mircea_popescu << kickass woman. [16:40]
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joecool i wish -assets would take on attempting to make gnupg2 less horrible, which is the preferred version of gnupg in here anyway? [16:46]
mircea_popescu i dont use gnupg2 [16:47]
asciilifeform 1.4 [16:47]
asciilifeform i do have 2 somewhere [16:47]
asciilifeform but what is the horrible part ? [16:47]
joecool 1.4 was decent for usability, 2 i am constantly fighting [16:47]
mircea_popescu so use 1.4 [16:48]
asciilifeform fighting how and why ? [16:48]
joecool asciilifeform: it's just ugly ugly horrible software, unintuitive, i have to swap out pinentry implementation between environments [16:48]
joecool i can't do a static build [16:48]
asciilifeform now the code is virtually unreadable, and this is true for all versions. no argument. [16:48]
cazalla i use to cover the company A raises X amount of capital but have been skipping them as you could really just word replace the amount and company name from a previous article and be done with it. does anyone actually care about such things and wishes to see them? [16:48]
mircea_popescu you don't undertand, it's optimized! [16:48]
asciilifeform speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ? [16:49]
mircea_popescu cazalla not particularly. unless you either have exclusivity, a scoop or actual documents, [16:49]
mircea_popescu they must PAY To have such articles published. in that they're fraud. [16:49]
joecool asciilifeform: it's just constant fighting to do most anything with the software, it's laid out poorly, simple tasks like minting smartcards, i literally have to back up the config directory for it and copy to mint more cards [16:50]
asciilifeform smartcards ?! [16:50]
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joecool yeah i know you hate them [16:50]
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joecool if i needed to protect from a 3-letter agency i'd have bigger problems than the shortcomings of a smartcard [16:52]
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mircea_popescu that's not how you build effectual deterrence. that's how you set yourself up to shrem. [16:53]
mircea_popescu nobody ever said "if i'm ever in a fire i'll have bigger problems than this tiny fire hydrant can solve" [16:53]
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ben_vulpes good morning PinkPosixPXE [16:58]
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joecool mircea_popescu: there are two major problems with this implementation that i see. both are problems the cardano solves, 1. the system knows it's a smartcard and malicious software could use it, and 2. weak entropy generation for signing [17:09]
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joecool an adversary with large resources will likely be able to get around that through forced coercion before even needing to try to attack the implementation (which I still believe would be a nontrivial task unless the system had a rootkit installed that maliciously generated signatures, that i would see on the counter) [17:12]
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mircea_popescu joecool the 2nd's most concerning. [17:23]
mircea_popescu entropy could be more important for encryption than signing. [17:23]
mircea_popescu and inasmuch as you're a person rather than an organisation, "forced coercion" is really not very much use. [17:24]
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mircea_popescu unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel. [17:25]
joecool mircea_popescu: i was unaware of the entropy issues on signing until after this was implemented, until then i had assumed it was only important to generate the keys themselves with sufficient entropy [17:27]
joecool but i will continue to read on this and see if i can come up with a better way to handle it [17:28]
mircea_popescu well, depending of what you actually need to sign, never putting your signed matter over the wire unencrypted can help a lot. [17:28]
mircea_popescu in that it drastically limits the pool of potential attackers and attackable material. [17:29]
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PinkPosixPXE morning ben_vulpes .. sorry, I got pulled into a meeting hehe [17:41]
PinkPosixPXE didn't mean to be impolite [17:41]
PinkPosixPXE glad gribble is back [17:41]
PinkPosixPXE and assbot [17:42]
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MetatronOne mircea_popescu> unrelatedly : today i find that prior to 1820 or so, hawaii was all-nude, and that the proper an' traditional hula dance is to be done without panties or other apparel. | woah. what a way to ruin it! [17:49]
mircea_popescu innit. [17:49]
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mircea_popescu innit. [17:50]
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teward mircea_popescu: you should probably tag your NSFW as NSFW >.> [18:11]
mircea_popescu teward you are aware this place has a history and so on, right ? read it and all ? [18:11]
teward mircea_popescu: yes, just sayin for those of us who IRC while in class from the back of the room... ;) [18:12]
* teward has privacy screens on either way but still [18:12]
* teward is also *insanely* bored today in class [18:12]
danielpbarron if that wasn't safe for your work then you need to find new work [18:12]
mircea_popescu please don't #bitcoin-assets in class. [18:12]
teward mircea_popescu: please don't force me to sit through a 4 hour lecture on my own state's history without some distraction >.> [18:13]
teward :P [18:13]
teward (hot though) [18:13]
* mircea_popescu is exceptionally not an asshole [18:13]
mircea_popescu they say it about me tho! [18:13]
mircea_popescu the government! [18:13]
mircea_popescu ;;tslb [18:16]
gribble Time since last block: 6 minutes and 29 seconds [18:16]
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ben_vulpes -assets is highly async, PinkPosixPXE - didn't read any impoliteness [18:26]
mircea_popescu good logs promote that huh. [18:27]
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jurov i don't know how i managed to survive 4 hour lectures on uni, had only nokia brick then [18:27]
jurov it was data capable, but plans were too expensive [18:28]
mircea_popescu i mostly hung out with the girls. and if the girls didn't show up i mostly harrangued the prof. [18:29]
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assbot High-Speed Video Reveals The Source Of That Incredible After-Rain Smell ... ( ) [18:49]
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ben_vulpes << totally worth reposting [19:01]
assbot Watch SpaceX's Vine "Close, but no cigar. This time." ... ( ) [19:01]
TomServo That must be the best use of vine to date. [19:04]
ben_vulpes i love how they have precisely 1 vine [19:06]
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mircea_popescu speaking of ... wine. [19:08]
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ben_vulpes love the cameraphone in the back there [19:11]
mircea_popescu chicks face with the phone too. [19:12]
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ben_vulpes p lulzy [19:15]
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assbot It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | ... ( ) [19:29]
mircea_popescu the redditards are kinda too easy to poke fun at [19:29]
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assbot Billistixx comments on Come by,hangout and tip! NSFW ... ( ) [19:38]
asciilifeform what is with reddit and the 'tipping' thing? is everyone 'roleplaying' a waiter, a bootblack ? [19:39]
mircea_popescu on reddit ? yes. [19:39]
asciilifeform what's the appeal ? i find it hard to picture any of them amassing any kind of serious coin this way [19:40]
danielpbarron they feel like they are doing something [19:40]
asciilifeform or is it a kind of chumpatronic acid trip, like lotteries [19:40]
danielpbarron like johnny appleseed or something [19:40]
danielpbarron johnny millibit [19:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no im pretty sure he has it. "they feel like they're doing something". much like their education. [19:47]
mircea_popescu not learning anything, but hey, they've gone to college. [19:47]
mircea_popescu same here : not doing anything, but hey, they're "involved" with bitcoin. [19:47]
asciilifeform the part that's puzzling is - a classical cargo cult has 'the airplane flies', or an analogous prayed-for outcome [19:48]
asciilifeform what do the reddit folks want ? [19:48]
mircea_popescu "change the world" [19:49]
mircea_popescu "innovate" "revolutionize" [19:49]
mircea_popescu practically, everything turning to shit. [19:49]
mircea_popescu also, if they never hear a dissenting opinion ever again that'll be soon enough. [19:49]
asciilifeform the earlier crowed of 'early adopting' cultist weirdos made considerably more sense to me. they just wanted 'to get rich,' i.e., to quit their jobs [19:49]
davout they kind of think that some random guy that never heard about bitcoin will be thrilled to receive a fraction of a cent in magic internet money, redeem it, and start spreading adopshun [19:49]
asciilifeform *crowd [19:50]
mircea_popescu yes. as ideas spread on the internet, the derps they touch become increasingly nonsensical. [19:50]
mircea_popescu early computer program almost made sense, even to me. [19:51]
davout somehow they're too dumb to realize that their 'tips' are more insulting and spammy than anything... [19:52]
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mircea_popescu hey, the average domestic animal regards its keeper as an animal of the same age and the same gender as it is. [19:52]
mircea_popescu so... what do you mean not everybody on the internet is a dumbass ? [19:53]
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artifexd speaking of which, did artifexd follow mircea_popescu's prescription and use a hacked gpg for 'gossip' ? << No. I'm using go's openpgp code. However, I'm structuring the code so that I can later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg. Then you can use whatever version of gpg your heart desires. [20:24]
asciilifeform go? [20:25]
artifexd Yes [20:25]
asciilifeform and shell-out ?!?! [20:25]
artifexd Yes [20:25]
asciilifeform that's deadly slow [20:25]
asciilifeform per packet ?!?! [20:25]
artifexd The shell out will be slow. Yup. [20:25]
* asciilifeform will not be using this horror, will run his own client. [20:26]
* asciilifeform is rather sad to learn what he just learned. [20:28]
davout he just said it would be an option... [20:28]
asciilifeform davout: read again [20:29]
artifexd read what again? davout is correct. [20:29]
davout "later add the option do the crypto via a shell out to gpg" [20:29]
asciilifeform davout: 1) his gizmo is in 'go', a google-proprietary turdlang 2) he's using its built-in crypto routines 3) if you don't like this, have fun waiting 300-500msec/packet using the shell-callout [20:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ knew this ? [20:30]
artifexd I'm not going to write in lisp. [20:30]
asciilifeform i wouldn't either [20:30]
artifexd He said "write it in whatever you want as long as it compiles on linux" [20:30]
davout is go proprietary? [20:30]
asciilifeform the original rfc also mentioned specifically use of gpg cryptoroutines [20:31]
artifexd Yeah. Hence the shell out. [20:31]
davout iirc it said 'steal some gpg code' can be wrong here tho [20:31]
asciilifeform 'go' is a turd that i will not have on my systems. [20:32]
asciilifeform along with 'java', 'c#', etc. [20:32]
davout rfc sez "Steal gpg code - any version prior to the Snowden defection" [20:32]
artifexd I could write it in C or C++ but cross compiling is an absolute nightmare that I choose not to put up with. [20:32]
asciilifeform cross-compiling ? [20:33]
asciilifeform why? [20:33]
artifexd Because I'm writing it. [20:33]
asciilifeform yes, but why cross? [20:33]
asciilifeform what are you developing on? a vax ? [20:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have no idea, it's an open spec. [20:33]
artifexd My daily dev machine is Windows. [20:33]
asciilifeform !b 1 [20:34]
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artifexd My alternate dev machine is OSX. [20:34]
artifexd I have linux servers and vm's that I use for testing. [20:34]
mircea_popescu go for windows ? [20:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's the problem anyway, you weren't going to run his binaries ? no os compiler for it ? [20:34]
asciilifeform i don't run other folks' binaries. [20:35]
artifexd go compiles on the big os's. Windows/Linux/OSX/BSD [20:35]
mircea_popescu right. [20:35]
asciilifeform and i fucking hate turdlangs. [20:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform can you be specific ? [20:35]
mircea_popescu i know about as much of go as i know about hawaii. [20:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a google-proprietary language similar to 'd.' [20:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nominally open-source, but in the same sense as apple's 'darwin' kernel - that is, nobody who isn't paid, reads it [20:36]
mircea_popescu so c is a gnu proprietary language ? what's a proprietary language ? [20:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: massive megalith of vendor libs, that one is expected to use [20:36]
mircea_popescu so it has open compiler but not open libs ? [20:36]
artifexd All the libs are open [20:36]
asciilifeform it's all, theoretically, open [20:36]
mircea_popescu wouldn't one expect the libs also compile ?! [20:36]
asciilifeform but developed exclusively, afaik, for x86 and arm [20:37]
mircea_popescu ... [20:37]
mircea_popescu what else is there ?! [20:37]
asciilifeform the free world. [20:37]
mircea_popescu ... i run x86 ? don't you ? [20:37]
asciilifeform i run virtually every arch i know of. [20:37]
mircea_popescu and right now ? [20:37]
asciilifeform 86 [20:38]
asciilifeform but would like the option of getting off it. esp. for particular applications. [20:38]
mircea_popescu so what do you want to run it on ? [20:38]
asciilifeform as discussed a few days ago, i recently installed a mips64 router. [20:38]
asciilifeform would like, for example, to run on that. [20:38]
mircea_popescu mips gossipd ? [20:38]
asciilifeform incidentally everything that runs on it, is built on it. [20:38]
asciilifeform yes. [20:38]
mircea_popescu that pretty much means c - only you realise ? [20:39]
asciilifeform yes. [20:39]
asciilifeform it is in fact possible to write correct 'c', you know. [20:39]
mircea_popescu well you know it occurs to me it'd be a lot more productive if you go in early with a "hey, could it please be c ? i would like to run this on mips" discussion than a late paniucwhen guy picks whatever he happened to pick. [20:39]
mircea_popescu at least it's not ruby. [20:39]
asciilifeform i didn't commission the thing, lol [20:39]
davout mircea_popescu: what's so wrong with ruby anyway? [20:40]
asciilifeform was sorta trying to keep my dirty hands off it [20:40]
mircea_popescu apparently go is acutally used on mips ? [20:40]
asciilifeform it quite possibly can be made to run on bigengian mips [20:40]
mircea_popescu davout let's keep the drama one strand at a time [20:41]
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asciilifeform it didn't even occur to me that anyone would write such a thing in anything other than c [20:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform openwrt apparently [20:41]
davout i was about to add 'specifically?' :D [20:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so other people like other languages, big whoop. [20:42]
asciilifeform it isn't simply an 'other language', it's a massive toolchain created and maintained by a usg satrap. [20:42]
asciilifeform and used scarcely anywhere else [20:43]
asciilifeform i know of no reason to put one lick of trust in its crypto libs, for example. [20:43]
mircea_popescu well, conversely, now they get to be reviewed. [20:43]
asciilifeform by whom ? [20:44]
mircea_popescu apparently first ever. [20:44]
mircea_popescu by you lol [20:44]
asciilifeform nope. [20:44]
mircea_popescu you won't run it or read it ? [20:44]
asciilifeform i'll run own client. (will tweak it for compatibility with the rest of you, when i have a little time.) and invite anyone who wishes, to read. [20:44]
mircea_popescu so basically you want to write your own c variant ? [20:45]
asciilifeform i mostly have. [20:45]
mircea_popescu well so why do you want him to also write it in c ? go is a better choice neh ? [20:45]
asciilifeform better choice ?! [20:46]
mircea_popescu well yes. that way it gets implemented in two languages. [20:46]
* asciilifeform was simply floored with mindfuck that anyone would choose google's turdlang for a piece of critical infrastructure, and could not resist ringing the bell [20:48]
mircea_popescu but i still dunno wtf is wrong with it. so, it has open compiler. it has open libraries. [20:49]
mircea_popescu supposedly nobody ever read these [20:49]
mircea_popescu well... guess what ? nobody ever read fucking linux, either. [20:49]
asciilifeform it wasn't around in '89. won't build on a vax. [20:49]
asciilifeform basically, does not predate the age of corruption. [20:49]
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mircea_popescu listen, if you don't start fucking girls born after X at some point, you'll be stuck in wrinkle heaven. [20:50]
asciilifeform and tainted with known satanic minion's juice. [20:50]
mircea_popescu anything specific re juice ? [20:50]
asciilifeform google [20:50]
mircea_popescu no, that's vague lol. [20:50]
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asciilifeform not that vague. google brass dine with the fuhrer regularly, etc. this is well-known. [20:50]
mircea_popescu dude you can't impeach people on the grounds that they ate with hitler. [20:51]
asciilifeform not merely ate. [20:51]
asciilifeform google is the i.g.farben of this particular hitler. [20:51]
mircea_popescu well ok, sure, but still. i dun see the problem, so b-a guy wants to play with go. his choice, his signature, why is this an issue. [20:51]
asciilifeform and fella uses a winblows box for daily life ?!?! [20:52]
asciilifeform someone still remains here in #b-a, of such a habit? [20:52]
asciilifeform i confess, never imagined this could be. [20:53]
mircea_popescu well it's basically like an older ubuntu. [20:53]
asciilifeform l0l! [20:53]
mircea_popescu trust people, ignore things eh ? [20:53]
mircea_popescu if i pick a barber i don't go by the straight razor brand. [20:53]
asciilifeform but suppose he lubricates the razor in his own liquid shit. [20:54]
asciilifeform will still 'trust the man, ignore the things' ? [20:54]
mircea_popescu can you point to this ? [20:54]
mircea_popescu and dun say "google" again lol. [20:54]
asciilifeform let's say, specifically the use of questionable crypto routines [20:55]
mircea_popescu if only great wautu blessed us with some unquestionable crypto routines. [20:55]
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asciilifeform lol [20:55]
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mircea_popescu anyway. guy can use whatever crypto routines he's comfortable with, on the general understanding that he's read them and is actually comfortable with them [20:56]
mircea_popescu as opposed to... well... it's what the build pulled in. [20:56]
asciilifeform i'll save the rest for when artifexd posts his apparatus. [20:56]
asciilifeform don't want to discourage people - but also can't see wtf is wrong with using same environment gpg was written and built in. [20:56]
mircea_popescu seems a reasonable approach tbh, but generally people should free to use whatever they wish to use. [20:57]
artifexd How could the crypto routines be compromised in a way that would matter? Weak key generation? gossipd doesn't generate keys. Weak rng during encryption? I pick the rng (and can offer an option for you to supply your own). Encrypting a message with an "extra" key so peet can read it? That should be easy to see in the code. [20:57]
asciilifeform doesn't generate keys?! [20:58]
mircea_popescu artifexd weak encryption altogether. [20:58]
asciilifeform where do the ephemeral keys come from [20:58]
asciilifeform or the blockcipher symmetrics? [20:58]
mircea_popescu artifexd not to be taken lightly this. a lot can be compromised in gossipd crypto. [20:58]
artifexd I'm talking about the identity keys. [20:58]
asciilifeform them - sure. but they are not the only keys. [20:59]
mircea_popescu even if you use rsa-only keys, you can rsa-encrypt a message so that it's easier to break but still decryptable by destination. [20:59]
mircea_popescu numerous attacks/approaches for this purpose. [20:59]
asciilifeform this is very easy to achieve. [21:00]
artifexd Can you do it? [21:00]
artifexd Can you explain to me how *I* could do it? [21:00]
artifexd Point me to education? [21:00]
asciilifeform artifexd: certainly. search for term of art 'kleptography.' [21:00]
* mircea_popescu is in awe at discussion suddenly turned productive. [21:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform good time to be very speciffic. [21:01]
mircea_popescu Using Cryptography Against Cryptography. Adam Young and Moti Yung. [21:01]
asciilifeform artifexd: i recommend a particular monograph, 'malicious crypto' by a. l. young & moti m. young. [21:01]
mircea_popescu hah [21:01]
asciilifeform lol mircea_popescu inb4 [21:01]
asciilifeform artifexd: well-thumbed copy of this right here on my desk. beautiful book, if you skip all the parts that must have been thrown in to give it a sensational/saleable 'seekoority' flavour (vignette about h4xx0rz shuffling floppies around in ch.1, mostly) [21:02]
asciilifeform artifexd: the most basic 'kleptography' takes the form of slipping bits of key into variables which are normally random. but there are more subtle channels. [21:03]
asciilifeform (term of art 'covert channel') [21:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you got a link to that hacking course thing that was crypto oriented ? [21:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can remember more specific ? [21:04]
mircea_popescu i been looking for it magically can't find it. the one that had the rsa break in the last fascicle [21:04]
artifexd Book purchased. [21:04]
asciilifeform !s pollard rho [21:04]
assbot 1 results for 'pollard rho' : [21:04]
asciilifeform damn, thought it might have been in that thread [21:05]
mircea_popescu nono it was a course, you were supposed to email your results [21:05]
asciilifeform hm [21:05]
asciilifeform i definitely remember that this existed. [21:05]
artifexd [21:05]
assbot The Matasano Crypto Challenges ... ( ) [21:05]
asciilifeform artifexd found it. [21:05]
mircea_popescu there we go! [21:06]
asciilifeform ty [21:06]
artifexd [21:06]
assbot Logged on 12-08-2014 15:50:28; artifexd: <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up [21:06]
mircea_popescu stupid fucking name. anyway, towards the end there's some good foundational stuff. perhaps not directly useful for the purpose at hand, but very good to get your head swiveled in the right position [21:06]
mircea_popescu re crypto vulnerability. [21:06]
mircea_popescu lol it was HIS link ? [21:06]
mircea_popescu ahjahaha [21:06]
asciilifeform bleichenbacher's oracle, in particular [21:07]
artifexd I will pause coding to read "Malicious Crypto" and finish the course. I'll report back when I'm done and made a decision re: golang's crypto libraries. [21:07]
asciilifeform [21:12]
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asciilifeform << many classic and otherwise interesting pieces [21:13]
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asciilifeform << interviews with old-school crapware artists, somewhat interesting zoology [21:14]
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asciilifeform ';Urko is a dog. Urko is one of my best friends. Urko is a fantastic dog becoz sometimes..... Urko SPEAKS! Urko is very timid and only speaks to me...and not always...urko only speaks when both,urko and me,we start to smoke that rare cigarretes that urko has. Then urko start to speak a lot of :) and we stay all night speaking,smoking and seeing films orplaying trivial pursuit,or coding,or doing a lot of things :)' [21:21]
asciilifeform (source: ) [21:21]
assbot ... ( ) [21:21]
asciilifeform next time contemplating the raving insanity of 'reddit' bitcoin users, etc. - read these. [21:21]
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asciilifeform 'This is also first virus simulatin' NEURAL NETS. Each neuron is simulated as one thread. Dendrits (more inputs) and Axons (one output) r coded as normal function parameters. Synapses ("conectors" linkin' neurons) r represented as single jumps and synchronizin' stuff. In bio-neurons, memory and ability to learn is in fact nothing other than swappin' synapses. This virus doesn't contain any learn-abilities, 'cause i've decided [21:27]
asciilifeform , there's nothing important to learn.' [21:27]
asciilifeform ( ) [21:27]
asciilifeform i've forgotten how lulzy these were! [21:27]
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* asciilifeform often wonders what happened to those people. [21:30]
mircea_popescu sounds like that much acid. [21:31]
asciilifeform evidently not too much acid, because - they ran. [21:32]
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mircea_popescu ballmer's constant, but for acid. [21:32]
asciilifeform where are these kids now. [21:33]
asciilifeform can't all be dead. [21:33]
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mircea_popescu sheeit! [21:34]
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kakobrekla anyway, the wot has been forked into assbot and is running now [21:47]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: congrats ! [21:47]
mircea_popescu yay [21:47]
kakobrekla that means we are no longer depended on gribble [21:47]
kakobrekla and some changes have been made. [21:47]
asciilifeform are these synchro-forks or fork-forks ? [21:47]
kakobrekla as ascii pointe out, session is bad so there is no more that. [21:48]
kakobrekla each auth worth command gets own otp [21:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the idea is to import gribble's wot but mark it as gribble's, and allow others to import assbot's wot. [21:48]
kakobrekla worthy* [21:48]
mircea_popescu i'll get on nano's case to see if he's willing to put it all into gribble. [21:48]
kakobrekla for example, i have upped myself via pm, yet; [21:48]
kakobrekla !rate mircea_popescu -10 scammer [21:48]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [21:48]
mircea_popescu o yay [21:48]
mircea_popescu duuude... [21:49]
asciilifeform neato! [21:49]
kakobrekla !verify assbot:kakobrekla.rate.mircea_popescu.-10:61751f23d45137825f4ecd78de4a6afb42d01c5d9c6b802b6ec6f4b135e47504 [21:49]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 3 to -10 with note: scammer [21:49]
mircea_popescu this is almost as if someone sat down and thought about it. [21:49]
kakobrekla !rate mircea_popescu 5 good fella [21:49]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [21:49]
kakobrekla !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.mircea_popescu.5:1676039169b957f6a18439b6daeade5919887f01b82d832f7b01e7e97885216c [21:49]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from -10 to 5 with note: good fella [21:49]
kakobrekla !rated mircea_popescu [21:50]
assbot You rated user mircea_popescu on 16-Dec-2012, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: good fella. [21:50]
kakobrekla !gettrust mircea_popescu [21:50]
assbot Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 47 via 31 connections. | | [21:50]
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kakobrekla !gettrust assbot mircea_popescu [21:50]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 27 via 27 connections. | | [21:50]
mircea_popescu fcking hell ?! [21:50]
kakobrekla there is also !unrate and !changekey [21:50]
mircea_popescu ok this is like splendid [21:50]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: how does changekey work ? [21:50]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla can it have another field, the user json ? [21:51]
mircea_popescu [source] => [21:51]
mircea_popescu with possible values "Gribble" "Assbot" so far ? [21:51]
kakobrekla !changekey CB39A1B24F01ADE0A597552D70C68A9048079D7A [21:51]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [21:51]
kakobrekla !v assbot:kakobrekla.changekey.cb39a1b24f01ade0a597552d70c68a9048079d7a:f08dfbbdc1e3292ded6d3e8072857f50c284aa922832b4329354bd5cb54b45c7 [21:52]
assbot Key 48079D7A / "test test " successfully imported. [21:52]
assbot New key fingerprint for kakobrekla is: CB39A1B24F01ADE0A597552D70C68A9048079D7A [21:52]
kakobrekla !changekey 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8 [21:53]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [21:53]
kakobrekla !v assbot:kakobrekla.changekey.27c3ce9a20851312f086268c27af75321f2489e8:bfef481697fe5e3612c388f8d894f2d1d624e57cf99c1545f9a65b98ce076a62 [21:53]
assbot No changes, key already exists. [21:53]
kakobrekla bah! [21:53]
kakobrekla imm just hax this manually. [21:54]
kakobrekla asciilifeform satisfactory answer ? [21:54]
asciilifeform aha [21:54]
asciilifeform neato! [21:54]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu what do you mean 'source' ? [21:56]
kakobrekla what is the value of source [21:56]
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PeterL I did it! [21:56]
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kakobrekla cool [21:57]
kakobrekla ah forgot to mention, otps can be executed out of order, but they are valid only for 15 min [22:00]
kakobrekla and you dont have to be on chan to use it. [22:00]
kakobrekla also if we downrate someone to l2=0 you should be able to !down immediately now, although i havent tested it. [22:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla as in, if the rating was given via here, or imported from gribble's db [22:03]
kakobrekla ah that [22:03]
kakobrekla i guess i can add tat. [22:03]
kakobrekla that [22:03]
mircea_popescu would be useful. then we have gribble-assbot talk to each other via diffs [22:03]
mircea_popescu and both can display both. [22:03]
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kakobrekla ah and another detail, if you noticed there is no place to specify your 'wot' nick [22:04]
kakobrekla which means you irc nick is your wot nick [22:04]
kakobrekla or shit wont fly. [22:05]
mircea_popescu right. [22:05]
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mircea_popescu !rated kakobrekla [22:05]
assbot You rated user kakobrekla on 03-Mar-2013, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: too much stuff to list. inquire within.. [22:05]
mircea_popescu ah i'm so happy :D [22:05]
kakobrekla yeah your political strike was totally worth it. [22:06]
mircea_popescu defo. [22:06]
PeterL so the link is different every time? [22:06]
kakobrekla yes [22:07]
kakobrekla you can request 10 commands, take them all at once to airgap [22:07]
kakobrekla do the jizlle and bring them back [22:07]
kakobrekla well 10 = n [22:07]
mircea_popescu yeah the old way had the advantage of automation, but this has the more significant advantage of airgap [22:07]
kakobrekla just an example. [22:07]
mircea_popescu heh, too slow eh [22:07]
kakobrekla is it so hard to read off the link? [22:08]
mircea_popescu nop. [22:08]
kakobrekla i could do /otps/$nick and list active ones [22:08]
kakobrekla if it helps. [22:09]
danielpbarron maybe make the voice one always use the same url? [22:09]
mircea_popescu can't hurt. leave all these for a 2nd version down the road. [22:09]
mircea_popescu do as a batch [22:09]
PeterL having the same for voice would make it so our scripts from gribble would be easily convirtable [22:09]
danielpbarron does upping and downing others require auth? [22:09]
kakobrekla voice is sessioned [22:10]
mircea_popescu !down danielpbarron [22:10]
mircea_popescu works fine [22:10]
kakobrekla !up Adlai [22:10]
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kakobrekla !down Adlai [22:10]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo / cazalla pls to write-up this truly momentuous development. [22:11]
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cazalla i have birthday guests in the next 30m so if BingoBoingo can otherwise i'll catch up on logs this evening and write up whatever it is that needs doing [22:13]
mircea_popescu o hey, happy bday. [22:13]
danielpbarron i especially like how changekey now requires auth [22:13]
cazalla mircea_popescu, not mine, my son's first birthday :) [22:13]
mircea_popescu gribble does too neh ? [22:13]
mircea_popescu cazalla even more yours then! [22:13]
danielpbarron nope [22:13]
mircea_popescu ... [22:14]
cazalla not really, these 20 odd people are going to mess up my clean home : [22:14]
danielpbarron if i'm session authed with gribble and someone hacks my irc, they can change my key [22:14]
cazalla anyway.. shower time and then to play host and patriarch, bbl [22:14]
danielpbarron i figured that was why you always logged out when not chatting [22:15]
asciilifeform the changekey thing leaves something to be desired. [22:15]
asciilifeform if i want to change keys, i should have to specifically sign a message to that effect. [22:15]
asciilifeform or is that how it already works, nm. [22:16]
danielpbarron that's how it now works [22:16]
asciilifeform aha. [22:16]
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PeterL does assbot log ratings changes anywhere? [22:25]
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kakobrekla whats next, a nuclear sub delivered 2 days before your order while paying you 500$? [22:28]
kakobrekla but could be done. [22:29]
kakobrekla !rate assbot 10 test [22:29]
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mircea_popescu lol nucular soob! [22:31]
mircea_popescu !rated assbot [22:31]
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mircea_popescu !rate assbot 10 Nuclear sub delivered 2 days before order while paying me $500 [22:32]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla totallyput a
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kakobrekla !rate assbot 10 test [22:34]
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mircea_popescu [22:34]
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kakobrekla [22:35]
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kakobrekla here bitches. static link. [22:35]
mircea_popescu most recent ? [22:36]
kakobrekla o wait i have to encrypt those. [22:36]
mircea_popescu ah json. werx. [22:36]
kakobrekla ah links ? [22:36]
kakobrekla ok [22:36]
kakobrekla ill put links [22:36]
mircea_popescu yeh links prolly easier, oner per line [22:37]
mircea_popescu people can go curl | curl | gpg [22:38]
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mircea_popescu perhaps with some awk thrown in [22:38]
kakobrekla [22:39]
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kakobrekla thar fixd [22:39]
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BingoBoingo BingoBoingo / cazalla pls to write-up this truly momentuous development. << lemme catch up on what the news is and I'll hammer something out. [22:39]
asciilifeform << somehow missed this [22:42]
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asciilifeform (for crypto aficionados ^) [22:42]
asciilifeform vaguely credible evidence that usg puts to use ecc internally, but no suggestion of with what curves. [22:46]
asciilifeform alternatively, elaborate desinfo. [22:46]
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assbot Logged on 17-01-2015 00:48:07; mircea_popescu: [source] => [22:51]
kakobrekla done ^^ [22:51]
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kakobrekla i dared to manually alter source of your rating here [22:52]
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kakobrekla others will be assbot sourced automatically from now on. [22:52]
kakobrekla btw this line kept going through my head while coding [22:56]
kakobrekla [22:56]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2015 04:03:56; asciilifeform: trust is simply an obsolete, pre-scientific word. [22:56]
kakobrekla but then i forgot to ask wtf am i to do. [22:56]
kakobrekla still open to changes if needs be. [22:56]
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BingoBoingo Who all collborated on asswot? Did you do it all kakobrekla? [23:03]
kakobrekla myea [23:04]
BingoBoingo K [23:04]
mircea_popescu splendor [23:11]
mircea_popescu so ima send a btc to assbot's 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb [23:12]
mircea_popescu further contributions encouraged! [23:12]
thestringpuller is it open source? [23:12]
mircea_popescu trust is good. what, fucking is also an obsolete, pre-scientific word. slides right down nevertheless. [23:13]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [23:13]
BingoBoingo ^ And on that note I'm headed out for a bit. [23:14]
kakobrekla ty [23:17]
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kakobrekla updated the welcome message (took out gribble part) and removed ddos warning , i think its gone again? [23:17]
artifexd Snowden worked at the NSA until June 2013. GPG 1.4.13 was committed on 2012-12-20. GPG 1.4.14 was committed on 2013-07-25.d [23:18]
artifexd mircea_popescu: 1.4.13 is acceptable and 1.4.14 is not, correct? [23:18]
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kakobrekla hows that ? [23:19]
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kakobrekla snowden broke gpg somehow ? [23:19]
artifexd I believe the point is that Snowden didn't say gpg was compromised. However it could have been compromised since he left. Only mircea_popescu knows mircea_popescu's motivation for that spec though. [23:20]
asciilifeform there is always the option of actually studying the changelog. [23:21]
asciilifeform not a bad idea in any case [23:21]
artifexd That is what I'm looking at right now. [23:21]
artifexd;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/STABLE-BRANCH-1-4 [23:21]
assbot Git - gnupg.git/shortlog ... ( ) [23:21]
kakobrekla its not like changelog will say "hax was inserted here" [23:22]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: lol [23:22]
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mircea_popescu artifexd it's not a strict thing, more like a general consideration. i doubt they managed to react fast enough to do much to 4.14 [23:31]
mircea_popescu anyway, the point is that gpg was widely used for the snowden leaks. this indicates that a major player trusted it, and was right in so doing ; and suggests a major target for that reason alone. [23:32]
kakobrekla meh snowden leaks could just as well be disinfo [23:33]
mircea_popescu i know for a fact the usg did not know what was in the leaks until their press agents told em [23:33]
mircea_popescu anything could be anything. but my arbitrary sez no. [23:33]
* kakobrekla does the sexygingers dance [23:33]
asciilifeform re: disinfo: [23:37]
assbot disinfo - Imgur ... ( ) [23:37]
asciilifeform seems like pretty obvious case thereof. [23:37]
undata asciilifeform: apparently this google device on my desk is impenetrable. who knew [23:40]
undata I'll stop worrying when it automatically opts me back into location history tracking [23:41]
asciilifeform if that slide deck is genuine, i've a bridge to sell. [23:43]
mircea_popescu zrtp bs. [23:53]
asciilifeform incidentally, z is for zimmerman. [23:53]
asciilifeform who, by all indications, was swallowed some time ago. [23:53]
mircea_popescu myea [23:54]
asciilifeform in my diseased mind, the parsimonious hypothesis is that there is actually an nsa where that deck was genuinely crapped out by earnest monkeys who believe every word. [23:56]
asciilifeform (and that there is another one, where it wasn't. but i think we did this one before) [23:56]
* asciilifeform would like to see the -other- slide deck. [23:56]
asciilifeform or perhaps -those- folks don't go in for 'powerpoint.' [23:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you find it interesting that, despite the legend of snowden having used gpg, we have no signatures from him pertaining to any of the material ? [23:58]
asciilifeform he could easily, if he wished, demonstrate what the genuine material was, and what has been doctored or made up wholesale. [23:58]
asciilifeform this is assuming that we have a reasonably certain copy of his pubkey pre-dating the events. which, iirc, we do. [23:59]
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