Forum logs for 16 Jan 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2000 @ 0.00017 = 0.34 BTC [+] [00:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-] [00:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00084729 = 4.2365 BTC [-] [00:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 15000 @ 0.00017 = 2.55 BTC [+] [00:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1500 @ 0.0009 = 1.35 BTC [+] [00:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1600 @ 0.0009 = 1.44 BTC [+] [00:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 115 @ 0.00099999 = 0.115 BTC [+] [00:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.024137 = 0.2414 BTC [-] {3} [00:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02689993 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {2} [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00272788 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {5} [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0052852 = 0.1268 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00008671 = 0.1301 BTC [-] {2} [00:15]
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Neil .d [00:22]
ozbot 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1541 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.2494% in 8d 17h 50m 46s [00:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5394726 = 3.7763 BTC [-] {5} [00:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35354 @ 0.000845 = 29.8741 BTC [-] {5} [00:24]
Neil Quite surprised there haven't been a few BTC on No recently on the 2bn diff bet [00:29]
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jurov Neil, it's rarely less than the estimates [00:37]
BingoBoingo Lol, the comments and the not grep that the value of the price of risk keeps changing as more people want to buy risk [00:37]
BingoBoingo http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ [00:37]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 [00:37]
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jurov ;;seen davout [00:38]
gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: isn't he chair of the foundation or sthg? [00:38]
mircea_popescu jurov : [00:43]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/454/btc-network-difficulty-tops-25-million-by-end/ [00:43]
ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty tops 25 million by end of June [00:43]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/458/btc-network-difficulty-tops-42-million-by-end/ [00:43]
ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty tops 42 million by end of July [00:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00084827 = 16.1171 BTC [+] [00:43]
*jurov* PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :hi, all X.EUR held by CoinBr user vanished today at noon [00:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 540 @ 0.00095 = 0.513 BTC [-] {2} [00:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999998 = 0.75 BTC [-] [00:50]
mircea_popescu they came out as no :D [00:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11442 @ 0.0008441 = 9.6582 BTC [-] [00:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1605 @ 0.00080383 = 1.2901 BTC [-] {6} [00:54]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=406689.0 [00:55]
mircea_popescu is btc-e about to go away ? [00:55]
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Apocalyptic I hope so mircea_popescu [00:58]
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mike_c quick, bet no :) [01:00]
mike_c http://bitbet.us/bet/716/btc-worth-over-5000-before-2015/ [01:00]
ozbot BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015 [01:00]
pankkake those claims are common and not new [01:01]
mircea_popescu ah [01:02]
mircea_popescu it seemed to suddenly add up to a lot more dough than normally. [01:02]
KRS1 "Experts" say bitcoin will be as low as $10 this year. [01:03]
KRS1 http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2014/01/15/10-one-perspective-on-what-bitcoin-will-be-worth-in-2014/ [01:03]
ozbot $10: One Perspective On What Bitcoin Will Be Worth In 2014 - Forbes [01:03]
asciilifeform translation: experts want to buy cheap coin, time for chumps to sell [01:04]
KRS1 Forbes teh trolls [01:04]
mircea_popescu lmao experts. [01:04]
mircea_popescu the experts are here. forbes has the noobs. [01:04]
KRS1 Haha yea [01:04]
asciilifeform there are different kinds of experts. some are expert at cattle herding. [01:05]
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Duffer1 i'm surprised that one didn't mention tulips [01:05]
KRS1 With that said, teh bitbet gets NO vote [01:05]
mircea_popescu i wonder what'd happen if you replaced the wsj's experts with seventeen magazine's experts for a week [01:05]
Duffer1 they got the greater fool theory in there so 1/2 i suppose [01:05]
mircea_popescu specifically, whether anyone'd catch on. [01:05]
KRS1 LOL mircea_popescu [01:05]
KRS1 One thing for sure, their articles will be filled with "like" and "ummm" and "I was like.." [01:06]
asciilifeform high time for a forbes-fueled Shannonizer [01:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform forbes has the circulation of mail order catalogues for anal plugs cca 1950, what herding ? [01:06]
asciilifeform did american jailers plug the arses of condemned criminals in the '50s? [01:07]
asciilifeform and if so, i wonder what market share of plugs this accounted for. [01:07]
mircea_popescu now that i dunno [01:07]
mircea_popescu subquestion : did the elctric chair include a buttelectrode ? [01:08]
asciilifeform the famous 'Yellow Mama' electric chair in the wash. dc. museum seems to have a shit pan [01:08]
asciilifeform so answer's probably no. [01:08]
pankkake butt plugs to prevent prison rape? [01:09]
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nubbins` worth noting that forbes.com/sites/* are just blogs [01:11]
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nubbins` by people like "samantha sharf" [01:11]
nubbins` who don't really work for forbes, or have anything worth saying [01:11]
mircea_popescu samantha sharf is a good name for a stripper [01:12]
mircea_popescu cindi cockscarf and shamantha sharf [01:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00008671 = 0.1214 BTC [-] {2} [01:13]
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nubbins` heh [01:13]
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nubbins` "I write about stock markets, art markets, millennials and their money" [01:16]
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Duffer1 millenials have money? [01:16]
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nubbins` i'm not sure what a millennial is, offhand [01:16]
nubbins` http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/05/bitcoin-gets-valued-bank-of-america-puts-a-price-on-the-virtual-tender/ [01:16]
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ozbot Bitcoin Gets Valued: Bank Of America Puts A Price Target On The Virtual Tender - Forbes [01:16]
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nubbins` a month ago, sharf thought bitcoin was worth $1300 [01:17]
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nubbins` ah, millennials are "generation y" [01:17]
nubbins` apparently i'm considered a senior millennial [01:17]
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mircea_popescu millenials is how women that don't fuck tender reffer to the chicks which are just about ripe. [01:18]
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nubbins` heh! [01:18]
nubbins` now there's a definition i can work with [01:18]
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asciilifeform pankkake: the plug (used even today, afaik) is to make cleanup easier. [01:19]
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asciilifeform american prisoners are denied the traditional gallows privilege of filling their pants. [01:19]
nubbins` best shit on the hands of the inserter [01:20]
asciilifeform there are tales that some states use... superglue. [01:23]
nubbins` :0 [01:23]
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pankkake yet another genius invention that can be used for good or evil [01:25]
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jurov what about shitting? inmates get state-issued alternate butthole? [01:29]
nubbins` i think they only glue your poop chute when killing you [01:30]
nubbins` we use CA for adhering mesh to screen frames, i've glued tools to myself on occasion [01:32]
nubbins` no fun [01:32]
asciilifeform works great on papercuts though. [01:32]
jurov once there was a blonde around here that arrived on emergency [01:34]
jurov cuz she glued her eyes together [01:34]
mircea_popescu like across her nose ? [01:35]
asciilifeform you'd need a hydraulic press. [01:35]
jurov one nurse got hysterical laughing seizure and had to be dismissed for the day [01:35]
mircea_popescu so maybe the blonde had a hidraulic press [01:35]
jurov she mistook the glue for liner or whatever [01:36]
mircea_popescu o man... [01:36]
Duffer1 it's eyedrops i swear [01:36]
Duffer1 CA brand [01:36]
mircea_popescu no no she has a point, they have a stupid glue thing they use for fake lashes [01:36]
mircea_popescu it stinks similarly [01:36]
asciilifeform http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/worst-ways-die-8.jpg [01:37]
asciilifeform if this fellow's head were turned sideways, one could glue his eyes together! [01:37]
pankkake I wouldn't list that on the worst ways to die [01:38]
mircea_popescu me either. [01:38]
asciilifeform me neither. but i didn't have the photo handy. [01:38]
mircea_popescu being successfuly hunted by a dingo [01:38]
pankkake being shat on by the elephant would be (and this is a darwin award story btw) [01:38]
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asciilifeform why is being eaten by dingo to be avoided, compared to, say, wolf ? [01:44]
nubbins` like across her nose ? [01:46]
nubbins` lelelelelel [01:46]
jurov yeah, good she didn't manage to knot them eyes [01:47]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/23BpKZ8 [01:48]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [01:48]
nubbins` ermahgerd holm [01:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00084378 = 49.9518 BTC [-] {4} [01:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dingo hunts by evisceration [01:50]
mircea_popescu wolf hunts like a sane canide (carotid section) [01:50]
BingoBoingo Dingos also look like adorable domestic dogs, so there is an additional embarassment factor involved. [01:51]
asciilifeform depending on the locale, one needn't go to australia to be eaten by a pack of dogs. [01:51]
mircea_popescu i guess there's an african equivalent too [01:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1251 @ 0.00080015 = 1.001 BTC [+] {2} [01:52]
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mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f94e40d92631be4c73b017a9d18d09a/tumblr_mwy3m30YX81r43ttjo1_1280.jpg [01:54]
pankkake her aspect ratio seems wrong [01:54]
asciilifeform is there a next frame with dingo? [01:55]
asciilifeform poor beast, what a meager meal. [01:55]
mircea_popescu lol [01:55]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/ebd993da8798811cc1d50d729d451d63/tumblr_mzbesqhsFF1r2dyqzo1_1280.jpg [01:56]
mircea_popescu let's insist then. [01:56]
pankkake that reminds me of http://hotchickswithdouchebags.com/ [01:57]
mircea_popescu "you've not lived until you brought strippers on campus, to parade nude for the benefit of all the stuck up "career" bitchez" [01:57]
asciilifeform career bitchez, zoologists write, hunt by evisceration. [01:58]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/a0gbUvb [01:58]
mircea_popescu this is a conceit, never actually found in nature. [01:59]
nubbins` feels > shields [01:59]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/f5e0191f07148758db6b4273a130169c/tumblr_mw7tz1Gl5V1stdjcpo1_1280.jpg [01:59]
pankkake you have a thing for public nudity [02:00]
mircea_popescu for [young] women. sure. [02:00]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/first-nation-teen-told-not-to-wear-got-land-shirt-at-school-1.2497009 [02:02]
ozbot First Nation teen told not to wear 'Got Land?' shirt at school - Saskatchewan - CBC News [02:02]
nubbins` "Additional meetings between the school and leaders of the Star Blanket First Nation led to an understanding that Star's sweatshirt, and its message, were acceptable after all." [02:02]
mircea_popescu such bs all this. the whole charade is predicated on supposedly acting on principle [02:03]
mircea_popescu except the entire thing is directly the result of political negotiation, as an exchange of power. [02:03]
mircea_popescu the modern equivalent of "let's go to war for the love of jesus" [02:04]
pankkake http://www.kinkondemand.com/kod/shoot/10018-Beautiful-German-Milf-Bound-and-Fucked-in-Public.html?c=1 not young, but by far my favorite PD scene [02:05]
ozbot Bondage BDSM and Fetish Video on Demand - Beautiful German Milf Bound and Fucked in Public [02:05]
mircea_popescu youth is in the eye of teh beholder. [02:06]
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nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pipe-bomb-handed-back-to-edmonton-passenger-by-airport-guard-1.2497650 [02:08]
ozbot Pipe bomb handed back to Edmonton passenger by airport guard - Edmonton - CBC News [02:08]
nubbins` HAHAHAH [02:08]
nubbins` canadians really are polite, hey [02:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2715 @ 0.00084351 = 2.2901 BTC [-] [02:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 89 @ 0.00315 = 0.2804 BTC [+] [02:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3602 @ 0.00084245 = 3.0345 BTC [-] [02:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00084107 = 10.2611 BTC [-] {2} [02:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00010001 = 0.5001 BTC [-] [02:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00010001 = 0.5001 BTC [-] [02:57]
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asciilifeform http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/15/blackphone/ [02:59]
ozbot Silent Circle & Geeksphone Join Forces To Build Blackphone: A Pro-Privacy Android-Based Smartphone [02:59]
asciilifeform crypto hero turned u.s. gov. shill pushes honeypot, news at 11. [03:00]
pankkake still waiting for a true GNU/Linux phone :( [03:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 3000 @ 0.00017 = 0.51 BTC [+] [03:01]
asciilifeform if snowden is a 'hangout', getting people to buy this crap is clearly the objective of the hangout. [03:01]
pankkake I don't understand why they would go for Android either [03:01]
asciilifeform because cheap. won't cut into ft. meade's coke budget. [03:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21255 @ 0.00084071 = 17.8693 BTC [-] {2} [03:03]
asciilifeform pankkake: you still think 'blackphone' is an honest/inept product, don't you. [03:03]
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pankkake I don't really care about the intentions behind it, but it cannot achieve its stated goal [03:04]
asciilifeform some of the unstated goals can be achieved without selling a single unit, however. [03:05]
asciilifeform (discrediting 'counter-nsa' tech as crackpottery, for instance.) [03:05]
Apocalyptic hum [03:06]
pankkake what bothers me the most is the common belief that you only need to make crypto "easy" [03:06]
pankkake you have to understand it or you will get burned [03:06]
Apocalyptic secure and easy don't go well together [03:06]
asciilifeform it all starts to make sense once you understand that selling people rope with which to hang is the actual objective. [03:07]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, do you have any ref related to this ? [03:10]
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asciilifeform to what, in particular? [03:11]
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mircea_popescu pankkake it's deeper than that, too. us people wanted a system that'd work without their input. thirty years later... they have it. [03:11]
mircea_popescu this "making things easy" bs is just another name for "painting yourself out of the picture" [03:12]
Apocalyptic to the fact it will likely be a honeypot [03:12]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: sometimes, the answer is not printed in the back of the schoolbook. and you have to actually understand the problem and use your head. [03:12]
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Apocalyptic i'm obviously not looking for a schoolbook here [03:13]
unclehowell Hey everyone. I wanted to introduce my tech startup. It's called Wave. We're planning to make internet access free using a new generation of ads-for-access. The best part is, we're doing our entire Series A investment round with Bitcoin: http://wavetele.com/layout/Pages/shares-area/beneficiaries.html [03:13]
pankkake mircea_popescu: the issue is that belief is present among "the good guys" [03:13]
unclehowell Here's the interactive demo http://wavetele.com [03:13]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: intro to sane cryptographic principles: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 [03:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+] [03:14]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic i suppose his argument is chiefly "what else could it be" [03:14]
asciilifeform even without any understanding of the politics, you can derive the answer: [03:15]
asciilifeform 1) what's it made of? how conceptually 'heavy' is the device? [03:15]
mircea_popescu this works sort-of well, until you end up with things like... i dunno, every show on tv being a honeypot by this approach, as well as every newspaper and most of everything else, cause they damn sure don't work for the advertised/intended purposes. [03:15]
asciilifeform that is, can a motivated person with an undergrad-level education actually understand the design in its totality? [03:15]
mircea_popescu dja understand by this reading the average fridge is a honeypot ? [03:16]
asciilifeform 2) could you, given what the creator of the device has made public, re-create it? [03:16]
asciilifeform as for the political component, zimmerman already fucked the public goat with the closed-source 'silent circle' [03:18]
unclehowell Do you guys like the demo? http://wavetele.com [03:18]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, yeah was kinda my point for bringing it up [03:19]
asciilifeform unclehowell: the '90s called, want their turdware back. [03:19]
Apocalyptic now asciilifeform that's some interesting facts [03:20]
pankkake I remember when I was using dialup and farming those free internets [03:20]
unclehowell Turdware. Not heard that before. Nice! [03:20]
pankkake they all went bankrupt of course [03:21]
unclehowell I heard they used to do ads-for-access with dial up. [03:21]
pankkake there were also the things that paid you to browse [03:21]
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pankkake even free computers with ads [03:21]
unclehowell MIchael Moritz helped us. We should nail it. I hope we do. [03:21]
mircea_popescu pankkake what, the bbss ?! those weren't free, foo. urmom was payin' for it. [03:21]
asciilifeform anyone remember the 'cuecat' ? [03:21]
mircea_popescu unclehowell as far as anyone knows, you're some guy that started talking the moment he joined and what he had to say was some sales angle. this is exactly how to end up on the ignore list of half the chan within five minutes, and on the mocklist of half the rest. [03:22]
asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat [03:22]
ozbot CueCat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [03:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform shit you spoiled it [03:22]
pankkake mircea_popescu: no, we eventually had dialup that did not have a cost for the dialer; but of course you had to pay the ISP you dialed to [03:23]
unclehowell Cheers mircea_popescu, I hear you. Yeh, I'm new to this [03:23]
mircea_popescu i was keeping this as my personal private chuckle re all the ninnies with the qr codes that revolutionise w/e the fuck [03:23]
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pankkake unless it was those free things, our you found other, dirty ways to get it for free [03:23]
mircea_popescu pankkake wait, you're from the magical land of the minitel aren't you [03:23]
Duffer1 i have like a dozen of those cats [03:23]
asciilifeform clever fellow figured out how to use cuecat as a generic scanner, the bastards sued [03:23]
Duffer1 used to work at radioshack when they phased em out [03:23]
asciilifeform 'it isn't yours, we gave it to you strictly in the opening to be raped in' [03:24]
pankkake yes… minitel is the thing to blame for the lack of good internet access at the time [03:24]
unclehowell I worked Maplins. Then Cyber Security in the MOD. I love tech. [03:24]
mircea_popescu "The bars are tilted 22.5° to the left, both for stylistic reasons and to avoid Lemelson parallel barcode patent concerns." [03:24]
mircea_popescu someone patented straight lines in that fuckfest of insanity over there. [03:24]
mircea_popescu it needs a reset. [03:24]
pankkake http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/275213.stm [03:25]
asciilifeform lemelson is the original patent troll [03:25]
asciilifeform the grandfather of them all. [03:25]
dub we had free dialup back in the dark ages of network termination rates [03:25]
unclehowell Wave is my tech startup. So what do you guys think? Will we ever have free internet access. My only competitor seems to be Zuckerberg himself with http://internet.org/ [03:25]
asciilifeform phun phact: the smithsonian museum has a 'lemelson gallery of invention hall of fame' [03:25]
unclehowell!*@* added to ignore list. [03:25]
asciilifeform a little like an 'eichmann museum of judaism' [03:25]
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Duffer1 lol are you a bot? [03:27]
dub he watched my video from the other day [03:27]
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mircea_popescu you had a video the other day ? [03:28]
dub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9il52dlnnc [03:28]
ozbot Selling is Service, Service is Selling - A Musical Training Video (Original) - YouTube [03:29]
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mircea_popescu can i have fries with that ? [03:31]
dub make the gril watch it and your jimothy conversion rates will blow up [03:38]
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pankkake she tried to talk in the activemining thread, I'm afraid those guys are too far gone [03:41]
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Duffer1 it's almost the gambler falacy in that thread [03:44]
Duffer1 because all the bad luck was used up on labcoin, actm will be a huge success [03:44]
pankkake lol, never thought of that [03:45]
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Duffer1 i hope they're successful though, i know guys that lost only 50% of their assets in labcoin because the other 50% was in actm >.< [03:47]
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pankkake to be successful they'd have to ask for things like clear financials. right now they're just encouraging more scam [03:48]
Duffer1 i don't see how actm can be successful even if they turn out to be legit [03:49]
pankkake and just stopping right now and refunding whatever is left, but oh well [03:49]
pankkake not losing 100% would be a success at that point :p [03:50]
Duffer1 yea pretty much [03:50]
pankkake but after figuring out they have been lied to… nothing [03:50]
pankkake actually, the lack of communication is now blamed on people who supposedly contacted easic [03:50]
pankkake so the message is "if you ask questions it will be worse" [03:51]
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Duffer1 i don't know why i even read that thread, it's just as stressful to me as the labcoin nonsense and i don't even own any actm [03:53]
mircea_popescu Duffer1> because all the bad luck was used up on labcoin, actm will be a huge success <<< bwahahaha [03:53]
mircea_popescu spot on methinks [03:53]
pankkake I don't know why it obsesses me either [03:53]
mircea_popescu pankkake same old story, the same derpage from new derps. the derps last three months on average, but their derpage is immortal. [03:54]
Duffer1 they're voting on whether or not to move shares to colored coins [03:54]
pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014#445473 <= that thing made me realize that even if the shit I still have on havelock works, most of the profits won't end up in my pocket [03:54]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [03:54]
pankkake honestly, I just ask myself what I would do if I had millions coming in and no accounting [03:55]
pankkake I'd just buy myself things "for the company" [03:55]
Apocalyptic or pay yourself a huge wage [03:55]
Apocalyptic cause you know CEO's got to be paid [03:55]
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pankkake yeah, those are usually not disclosed [03:55]
pankkake when in fiat land "CEOs" of startup don't pay themselves for years [03:56]
pankkake well, except in the dot com bubble actually [03:56]
pankkake Duffer1: the colored coin thing is weird, yes… as if the risk was in the exchange [03:57]
pankkake it's much easier for an exchange than for a business to escape the law anyway [03:58]
Duffer1 it would be nice if the first colored coin experiment company wasn't a scam [03:59]
Duffer1 although the information would be valuable either way i suppose [03:59]
pankkake mircea_popescu: did you write anything on the subject of the log.b-a link? I bookmarket it, but an actual article would be nice [04:00]
mircea_popescu um write like what ? [04:00]
pankkake "if you review the early history of btc scams, 2011s, you'll see most corps turned scams once the "ceo" confronted the problem of "we have cashflow. what to do with that cash ?"." [04:00]
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pankkake I wonder how colored coins can handle panics [04:01]
mircea_popescu ah ah. [04:01]
pankkake so actually, a scam would be a better experiment! [04:01]
pankkake if you have to wait for confirmations to cancel orders [04:01]
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pankkake that can be a lot of fun [04:01]
mircea_popescu it's possible there's some stuff in the early posts of mpoe-pr [04:02]
mircea_popescu there are some trilkema articles but they be in romanian as this is pre-change [04:03]
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mircea_popescu pankkake: I'd just buy myself things "for the company" << Well Mr. Ipswitch since everyone of my expenses are obviously for a legitimate business purpose. ( Elaine turns on water pic to water plants.) [04:06]
pankkake in France we have "Abus de bien social" - I didn't find any translation for this (at least legal terms) [04:08]
pankkake I used to think it was to prevent people from escaping VAT [04:08]
mircea_popescu " CueCats were also bulk mailed (unsolicited) to certain mailing lists, such as subscribers of technology magazines Forbes and Wired." [04:08]
mircea_popescu that's a nice tidbit. [04:08]
mircea_popescu "En France, l'abus de biens sociaux est un délit qui consiste, pour un dirigeant de société commerciale , à utiliser en connaissance de cause les biens, le crédit, les pouvoirs ou les voix de la société à des fins personnelles, directes ou indirectes." Prescription 3 ans Compétence Trib. correctionnel [04:09]
pankkake eheh, QR codes before their time… but that device must have been very bulky [04:10]
mircea_popescu something between conversion and embezzlement i guess. [04:10]
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pankkake http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/13/booth-babes-dont-convert/ [04:16]
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mircea_popescu (Protip: It’s frowned upon when you actually put “booth babes” as line item in your budget). [04:21]
mircea_popescu it will never cease, this, will it ? [04:21]
mircea_popescu if i ever go to the ces my booth babes will be topless [04:21]
mircea_popescu http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/screen-shot-2014-01-13-at-10-38-52-am.png << those are babes ? seriously now. [04:22]
mircea_popescu they're fucking up the babeness and then pretending "it dun work". [04:22]
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pankkake topless babes might attract because of the novelty [04:22]
pankkake the "babes" posts of shows are pretty sad, as most of the girls aren't very attractive. or dressed like shit [04:23]
pankkake at least the tech shows [04:23]
mircea_popescu yes well, you can't go to the car race in a box with wheels glued on and then decide "cars are stupid" [04:24]
mircea_popescu and you don't use them to "sell", you use them to project an image. [04:24]
mircea_popescu in short, it takes skill, skill which random muppets in the freakshow do not have. big whoop. don't blame the hammer for the bumps on your head. [04:24]
pankkake yeah so at least dress them properly! [04:26]
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mircea_popescu "Many times I observed that while my team was busy in demos with other prospects, the booth babes were unable to hold the interest of these execs for the extra five minutes that I needed to get a person from our team to engage. I had no such trouble with the other ladies since I had requested that specific soft skill." [04:27]
mircea_popescu derp. some retarded 20something that can't hold anyone occupied for five minutes is in no sense of the word a "babe". [04:27]
mircea_popescu so broken, this. [04:28]
pankkake http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/asian-girl-bang-bang-gif.gif she would hold my interest [04:28]
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mircea_popescu "the ones that the booth babes had no trouble attracting were often low-level, overconfident IT nubs — the guys that were already always first at the hosted bars and whose highlight for the quarter was being authorized to travel for the event. They had neither the authority nor the budget that made them ideal prospects for our sales teams. All these guys do is lower your conversion from lead to opp and lower your ROI [04:28]
mircea_popescu on the show." [04:28]
mircea_popescu ahaha the guy is so close to sprouting a mpoe-pr line, and yet he somehow just... can't. [04:28]
mircea_popescu ". First off, marketing departments in big companies are under-budgeted, under-staffed, and under-appreciated. " bwahahaha [04:29]
mircea_popescu ok, i've not had so much fun since reading the forum digest this morn [04:29]
pankkake he must work in marketing [04:29]
mircea_popescu yeah, he's one of the schmucks looking for a new gig. [04:31]
mircea_popescu remember, always be looking for a new gig. [04:31]
mircea_popescu « Aucune décision de l’assemblée générale ne peut avoir pour effet d’éteindre une action en responsabilité contre les administrateurs ou contre le directeur général pour faute commise dans l’accomplissement de leur mandat. » [04:31]
mircea_popescu dude your laws over there are fucking broken. [04:32]
mircea_popescu who owns the company, the shareholders or the french republic ? [04:32]
pankkake I think that's the part that bothered me; and it's probably there for tax reasons [04:34]
pankkake VAT is the root of all evil [04:34]
pankkake (especially when you have to write accounting software) [04:34]
mircea_popescu i certainly can't see how anyone'd accept to run his business in france. [04:35]
mircea_popescu forget any other problems : this one is enough. [04:35]
mircea_popescu clearly that state does not fully understand its inferior position to businesses. [04:35]
pankkake lol, no. in the media we have politicians always telling businessmen what they should do [04:36]
mircea_popescu yes, well, that's unfortunate. i suppose people that wish to starve will starve. [04:37]
pankkake my phobia of paperwork will always prevent me from creating a registered business anyway [04:39]
mircea_popescu In September 2000, security watchdog website Securitywatch.com notified Digital Convergence of a security vulnerability on the Digital Convergence website that exposed private information about CueCat users.[14] Digital Convergence immediately shut down that part of their website, and their investigation concluded that approximately 140,000 CueCat users who had registered their CueCat were exposed to a breach that reve [04:40]
mircea_popescu aled their name, email address, age range, gender and zip code. This was not a breach of the main user database itself, but a flat text file used only for reporting purposes that was generated by ColdFusion code that was saved on a publicly available portion of the Digital Convergence web server. [04:40]
mircea_popescu epic. [04:40]
mircea_popescu i had totally forgotten just how damned good cuecat is. [04:40]
pankkake I forgot about ColdFusion. what an horrible thing [04:41]
pankkake there was like an exploit a week [04:41]
mircea_popescu in this case it'd seem it wasn't even its fault [04:42]
pankkake more or less; those "programming is easy" tools will make people make mistakes [04:43]
pankkake like the easy crypto we talked about earlier! [04:44]
mircea_popescu .d [04:46]
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pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ isn't going to happen :( [04:47]
ozbot BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% [04:47]
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mircea_popescu maybe [04:48]
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diametric did I just see cuecat mentioned? [04:50]
diametric The bar code readers radioshack was giving away? [04:50]
mircea_popescu diametric yeah, they reminded me of all the fiat-bitcoin stuff going on in the 2000s [04:50]
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asciilifeform diametric: a spammer wandered in, pushing 'ad-supported net access' [04:51]
asciilifeform and somebody mentioned how he mooched from ad-based dial-ups back in the day [04:51]
diametric I was sitting in my office in 2009 when I was reading about bitcoin the first time. I loaded up the crappy web based miner at the time while I read about it. I tried finding some stuff to spend it on, but the list was like, 5 pieces. The only one interesting to me was a voip provider, but it was like 10 bitcoin a month or something. [04:51]
asciilifeform which reminded me of cuecat [04:51]
diametric if only I knew.. [04:52]
mircea_popescu i had people fighting with my preconceived notions for months before i actually gave the thing a look [04:53]
asciilifeform i threw that very same web-based miner on my site for a short spell. [04:53]
mircea_popescu if only i knew... etc. [04:53]
mircea_popescu it's how it goes. [04:53]
asciilifeform and spent a while looking for possible attacks. [04:53]
diametric i actually left that web based miner running on a windows PC I never touched then [04:53]
diametric for like a month. [04:54]
asciilifeform (bitcoin superficially resembled some of my own unpublished crackpottery, and the differences struck me as 'insecure') [04:54]
diametric and then i forgot about it. [04:54]
asciilifeform i also tend to lazily read the source of things while they build (gentoo crackpots unite!) [04:55]
asciilifeform and the bitcoin source struck me as ugly and 'surely full of strange' [04:55]
* pankkake is a gentoo crackpot [04:55]
pankkake hehe, trying to build bitcoin is the first time I went away [04:56]
pankkake it was using wxwidgets or something [04:56]
diametric i wonder if I can make money body scanning people and printing them into onto cocks that I can cast with food safe silicone and make edible dickheads. [04:56]
diametric err wrong channel [04:57]
asciilifeform laugh all you like, but this almost exists [04:57]
asciilifeform when i was buying castable silicone on 'amazon', the search results included a kit named 'clone-a-willy' [04:57]
diametric Panadol_: i used to be a gentoo dev [04:57]
diametric wrong p. [04:57]
diametric pankkake: i used to be a gentoo dev [04:57]
diametric there right p. [04:57]
pankkake oh [04:57]
diametric asciilifeform: yeah, but I can actually use my 3D scanner (that does full body now), and scan someones face, union it onto their own dick if they even want, and then cast it [04:58]
asciilifeform you could probably squeeze the silicone putty through an extruder. [04:59]
diametric gentoo went downhill when daniel took a job at microsoft. [04:59]
asciilifeform i still use it, grudgingly and with grumbling, from the lack of an equivalent alternative. [04:59]
pankkake I never followed the drama, but gentoo seems to be always full of it [04:59]
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diametric i mostly just ported packages to x86_64 [05:00]
diametric but yeah it was full of drama [05:00]
asciilifeform pankkake: every once in a while, the gentoo dev people push out a turd that auto-breaks everything. [05:00]
diametric once in a while is relative [05:00]
pankkake that's not very surprising, but it seemed more personal drama [05:00]
diametric if you don't update your system every single week an update will fuck you [05:00]
pankkake I like gentoo because I know I can fix it, breakages don't really bother me [05:01]
diametric They used to have a policy against it, way back earlier that no emerge sync should ever break a system [05:01]
diametric but then that went out the window [05:01]
asciilifeform pankkake: same. but it sucks telling people 'i'll get nothing useful done for the next two days, have to fix xorg' [05:01]
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mircea_popescu ahaha no you don't! [05:01]
mircea_popescu i wonder if I can make money body scanning people and printing them into onto cocks that I can cast with food safe silicone and make edible dickheads. [05:01]
mircea_popescu !b 1 [05:01]
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pankkake I think you can get away with 2 months [05:01]
diametric mircea_popescu: i actually have everything to do this [05:02]
mircea_popescu i must admit it sounds vaguely tempting [05:02]
asciilifeform every gentoo aficionado i've ever met was an 'expatriate' from *bsd. [05:02]
mircea_popescu i could give a dickhead of me to each girl! [05:02]
diametric maybe I could make the paper again [05:02]
pankkake asciilifeform: thankfully I have written many little helpers so I can get a machine ready fast; otherwise, it looks pretty ridiculous starting a job and spending the first week configuring the base system [05:03]
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diametric asciilifeform: openbsd for me [05:05]
asciilifeform for me, it was years of freebsd [05:05]
asciilifeform until the stack of undrivered hardware widgets piled a little too high [05:05]
mircea_popescu allow me to further improve everyone's productivity. [05:05]
mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/100a28a83cfc7229e611c36d02459cfc/tumblr_mv00ui1IsD1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg [05:05]
pankkake http://nixos.org/ seems interesting [05:05]
ozbot Nix/NixOS Home Page [05:05]
pankkake service is selling! [05:06]
mircea_popescu sealing as a searvice! [05:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04999998 = 1.5 BTC [+] [12:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00084395 = 3.418 BTC [-] [12:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00084595 = 14.4234 BTC [+] {2} [12:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00084953 = 8.9201 BTC [+] {2} [13:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 111 @ 0.02501 = 2.7761 BTC [-] {4} [13:06]
KRS1 It's called 42Coin, and one of them is already worth 1,000 Bitcoin [13:08]
KRS1 Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/introducing-42coin-2014-1#ixzz2qYcePtpc [13:08]
mircea_popescu lol it will never end now, will it. [13:08]
KRS1 no =/ [13:08]
mircea_popescu 2014 will be the year of derpaltcoin [13:08]
mircea_popescu i tell you honestly, i could not have paid for things to work out better. [13:08]
KRS1 i cant see through the madness..not sure what to make of it [13:08]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is officially under the protection of the gods, it's unseemly, this. [13:09]
KRS1 these bastards are good for the one? [13:09]
mircea_popescu absolutely. [13:11]
mircea_popescu you don't want the stupid poor focused on important stuff. [13:11]
mircea_popescu the world works by fucktards following britney and obama around, not by them pestering the actual technocracy. [13:11]
mircea_popescu it's bad enough we get the collateral damage of unclehowells showing up here with their idiocy cause they saw somewhere the girl mentioning this to someone else. let the kids follow konye, yo. it's best for everyone. [13:13]
KRS1 yes i've noticed this pattern before..not just coins..hmm. [13:14]
mircea_popescu yeah, it's called maturation. [13:14]
KRS1 maturation [13:14]
KRS1 any relation to whats called the "shake out" [13:15]
KRS1 another word for consolidation i suppose [13:15]
KRS1 initially i saw it as a dilution of bitcoin [13:16]
mircea_popescu yeah, as if anyone could possibly confuse derpcoin for bitcoin. [13:16]
mircea_popescu dilution is not the situation where there being insufficient prime rib to go around some people have to eat burger patties. [13:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, this was on trilema about a year ago. [13:20]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ [13:20]
ozbot Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [13:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00084476 = 19.4295 BTC [-] [13:22]
mircea_popescu .d [13:26]
ozbot 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1433 blocks | Estimated Change: 21.8225% in 7d 18h 20m 25s [13:26]
KRS1 Impressive. Almost as if you were able to see the future, perhaps by understanding how the problem will play out. I suppose your understanding of philosophy was useful here. [13:27]
KRS1 I already see some of this has played out. [13:28]
truffles lol [13:29]
mircea_popescu it's what i do / have been doing professionally. i'm a strategic advisor, and one of the best. what i do is i sit down with boards/ceo teams and guess the future for them. [13:29]
truffles 0.0 [13:29]
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KRS1 Thats very impressive to say the least. I've recently been involved in a conversation of the value of a college degree in the modern I.T. job market. I've actually been laughed at for thinking it has value in these waters. I suppose, even if I did waste my time with a degree in this field, being open minded and thinking critically are benefits that have value regardless. Such as the [13:32]
KRS1 case with understanding how my continued investment into bitcoin has value in the face of scumcoins, for one. [13:32]
mircea_popescu yes well, youth is wasted on the young. [13:32]
KRS1 heh [13:33]
mircea_popescu whatever you do you'll have wasted your time at that age. [13:33]
Apocalyptic ^ [13:33]
KRS1 yep [13:33]
Apocalyptic that's one of the hardest things to admit tbh [13:33]
mircea_popescu it gets easier as you age :) [13:33]
Apocalyptic when I look back a coupla years i realize I was wasting so much time;.. [13:34]
truffles u havent stoppped :D [13:35]
Apocalyptic heh, look who's talking [13:35]
truffles sure [13:35]
Apocalyptic honestly i think I don't that much now [13:35]
Apocalyptic maybe in a few years I will have that same comment though [13:36]
truffles what u enjoy doing shouldnt be a waste though [13:36]
davout Apocalyptic: of course, the observation you make depends as much on what you observe than it depends on from where you observe it [13:37]
Apocalyptic indeed [13:37]
Apocalyptic out of curiosity how old are you mircea ? [13:39]
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truffles 18 :D [13:42]
KRS1 I love that word 'fucktards'. Officially adding it to my vocabulary for 2014. [13:45]
truffles if u use that word though hmmm [13:46]
KRS1 Perhabs a merging of fuckoffs and retards; not to regard the retarded community in any derogatory manner, but instead to give those who should know better the same sub 70 i.q. labelling. [13:47]
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truffles im sure u can come up with better [13:48]
KRS1 I'm not very polically correct. I might have to work on that this year too, but then again it doesn't bother me. Retards are known as mentally handicapped these days. [13:48]
deego zomg! How dare you? How would you like it someone called your son that!? Why not use "intellectually different"? [13:49]
truffles id prob use special [13:49]
Apocalyptic deego, "intellectually challenged" might be better [13:49]
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deego Apocalyptic: heh, I think challenged and special have become pejorative as well :) [13:50]
KRS1 Whats wrong with retarded? [13:50]
Apocalyptic I've heard in some case in US you can't just say blind anymore, you have to stay visually challenged now [13:50]
deego The progression .. [13:50]
KRS1 Is the term "retarded" all that bad? [13:50]
truffles its insulting i duno [13:50]
KRS1 What makes it insulting? [13:50]
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truffles maybe demeans special ppl` [13:50]
truffles im not that concerned just saying [13:50]
deego cripple->handicapped->special needs. But, soon, the latest comes to be regarded as insulting.. [13:51]
KRS1 Its all in your heads. [13:51]
KRS1 re·tard·ed riˈtärdid/Submit adjective 1. less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age. [13:52]
KRS1 Definition says nothing about it being an insult. [13:52]
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truffles u were upset about being called nerd yesterday [13:53]
Apocalyptic KRS1, it's indeed not insulting imo [13:53]
Apocalyptic lol, here we go [13:53]
Apocalyptic truffles, do you think of yourself as a nerd ? [13:53]
truffles no? [13:53]
truffles rarely do i use it as a perjorative [13:55]
KRS1 I wasn't being upset about being called a nerd yesterday. I think mircea was [13:56]
KRS1 I knew what you meant. [13:56]
truffles heh [13:57]
truffles i dunno what he was upset about, i gathered he didnt get my pov [13:58]
KRS1 He said what was on his mind. Your definition of nerd was incorrect. being what you call a nerd takes some sweat. [14:01]
KRS1 I think thats all it was. [14:01]
truffles the meaning of nerd hmm [14:02]
truffles i did imply that the nerd in u would "take some sweat" research [14:03]
KRS1 Sun is starting to come up on the east coast of the U.S. time for some fresh air and a cigarette. [14:04]
truffles researching [14:04]
KRS1 ya idk..but i knew what you meant. [14:04]
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truffles his disagreement stemmed from something else imo [14:05]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic 35 [14:08]
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mircea_popescu deego because we'd rather shit on people than shit on words. [14:09]
mircea_popescu it makes sense if you think about it, people are but temporary. words are forever. [14:09]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, thought you were much younger somehow [14:10]
mircea_popescu possibly cause you were going by trilema header pics which are mostly me in my 20s ? [14:10]
Apocalyptic that would be correct [14:11]
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truffles nothing relating to emotional states hmm [14:12]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/bg_apr2011.jpg there, that's recent [14:12]
mircea_popescu can't possibly be all that young and all that beardy. [14:12]
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Apocalyptic heh, indeed [14:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 6000 @ 0.00093079 = 5.5847 BTC [+] {8} [14:14]
deego mircea_popescu: true, true :) [14:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 147 @ 0.00096 = 0.1411 BTC [+] [14:15]
deego KRS1: .. and some coffee? [14:15]
KRS1 Mmmm coffee. [14:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 31 @ 0.0033 = 0.1023 BTC [-] [14:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 680 @ 0.00099965 = 0.6798 BTC [+] {6} [14:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.001 = 0.12 BTC [+] [14:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 205 @ 0.00511025 = 1.0476 BTC [-] {5} [14:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00084739 = 12.499 BTC [-] {2} [14:23]
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KRS1 Considering the political and economic climate, its almost as if the timing of bitcoin is god-like. [14:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14660 @ 0.00084981 = 12.4582 BTC [+] {2} [14:27]
KRS1 It blows my mind how perfectly timed this was. Just who is this Satoshi guy anyway.. [14:27]
KRS1 Gives me chills. [14:27]
mircea_popescu deefinitely on my "would have drinks with" list. [14:30]
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KRS1 HAH yes [14:42]
KRS1 My late night 'nip' has been a cinnamon whisky lately. Quite interesting and soothing. Its Canadian and Nubbins get a +1 for that; its called Fireball. [14:43]
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KRS1 (speaking of drinks) [14:44]
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