Forum logs for 16 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/4980	[00:12]
assbot	The Beige of Beijing \| Standpoint ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5tJ4u )	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	"And the architecture! Never was any city more captivated by the rectangle. As you take off from Beijing airport, clumps of residential developments rise relentlessly into the distance, each cluster often 60 or so high-rises apiece, each high-rise 50 or so stories tall — seeming to reproduce SimCity-style as you watch. They are all drab, they are all the same, they are all hideous. (A student asked after my event whether perhaps	[00:14]
BingoBoingo	I didn't care for Beijing's architecture merely because it was "unfamiliar". I looked at him in astonishment. "Unfamiliar!" I exclaimed. This stuff is all over the world!" And an assault of Bauhaus is hardly Chinese.) Put up in the engineering equivalent of 15 minutes, none of these buildings is made to last — but when I asked my winsome Han tour guide what would happen when they collapsed, she said with cheerful gusto, "We'll	[00:14]
BingoBoingo	build them again!""	[00:14]
BingoBoingo	"The fact that all over Beijing you have to put soiled loo roll in a little basket beside the toilet is telling: the infrastructure is fragile." << Very Rural of them	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	the toilet paper nuttery is endemic in central america also. i always ignored it, to no detriment. sort-of wondering whether there's any more substance to this nonsense than any urban legend. to this day for instance south koreans believe magical asphyxiation rays come out of fans left running while people sleep.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	the telltale, specific nonsense old women come up with, but particularly successfully rooted.	[00:17]
BingoBoingo	Around here the toilet paper is associated with the very rural people who have fragile septic tank systems.	[00:18]
BingoBoingo	Those of us in town get our flushing (and wire internet) privilege	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	what is a bit of cellulose supposed to do ?	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	it actually decomposes faster than feces.	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	Over time supposedly accumulates. It may break down faster than feces, but it doesn't liquify as fast.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	you ever tried this experiment ? or how do you know ?	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	The concern isn't actually the tank, but the pipes that run from the tank to the leech field	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	Heard horror stories.	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	Got to enjoy tales of the weirdo bumpkin kids on college campuses who were in the no flushing the toilet paper habit	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	i heard horror stories about jews stealing good german women's sexual mojo, also.	[00:21]
mats	on the subject of Koreans	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	WHo hasn't heard those?	[00:21]
mats	I have heard more than one insist that Confucius was Korean	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	there's this general tendency of shitty countries to entertain this dream that they're really cool.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	there's a section of romania convinced that this romanian dude invented writing and taught the romans to fuck and egyptians to pyramid.	[00:23]
mats	and that their cultural dress is original, rather than heavily derivative of the fashions from the Tang	[00:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: don't forget the little detail where 'fan death' somehow ... only happens to ethnic koreans!	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	right,	[00:26]
mats	this is what happens when americans prop up a nation of farmers	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	americans ARE a nation fo farmers.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	most of them, first generation in shoes, actually.	[00:26]
mats	and while I'm venting about Koreans, their food fucking sucks and utterly lacks any kind of nuance	[00:28]
asciilifeform	mats: tell this to nubbins', iirc he is eating kimchi still, many years after his tour of duty	[00:29]
mats	the only thing the world knows about .kr food is Korean BBQ and kimchi	[00:30]
mats	think about that for a second	[00:30]
asciilifeform	forgot dogs	[00:31]
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mats	my grandfather ate dog during the famine, no shame in that	[00:31]
asciilifeform	not in famine, but as standard butcher shop fare	[00:32]
mats	also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too	[00:32]
asciilifeform	mmm	[00:32]
mats	welcome to hell	[00:32]
asciilifeform	the swap detail is interesting	[00:33]
mats	so many koreans I have met, have serious attitude problems	[00:34]
mats	so many chix are high maintenance princesses, dudes tend to be belligerent and unbearable when drunk	[00:34]
asciilifeform	saw a great kr film not long ago, about baduk (go) mafia	[00:35]
asciilifeform	showcases both.	[00:35]
mats	recall the name? I'll add to my list	[00:38]
asciilifeform	'divine move'	[00:41]
asciilifeform	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3419894	[00:41]
assbot	Sin-ui Hansu (2014) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1olf6kv )	[00:41]
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mats	the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party	[00:52]
mats	people here have no sense of scale beyond the drops of blood spilled on 9/11	[00:53]
mats	hundreds of millions toiled, sweat blood, and died in the last thirty years to make .cn great	[00:57]
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mats	meanwhile my generation chants 'feel the bern' because he proffers entitlements on the backs of corporations	[00:58]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406782 << good nyooz! this is fixable!111	[00:59]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 03:48:41; mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party	[00:59]
asciilifeform	won't be long to wait.	[01:00]
mats	i wonder all the time if this is just wishful thinking on my part	[01:02]
mats	many ancient empires took centuries to die, despite entering infirmity long before, after all	[01:03]
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mats	anyways, finite	[01:06]
mats	gnite*	[01:06]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406770 << this is the worst thing i've ever read in here.	[01:14]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 03:28:14; mats: also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too	[01:14]
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mircea_popescu	hey, they swap daughter with neighbour prior to fucking, why not infant prior to eating.	[01:22]
danielpbarron	not the swap part :/	[01:23]
danielpbarron	that makes sick sense; don't want to eat own son	[01:24]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html	[01:49]
assbot	1999 Darwin Award: Resistance is Futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEgRrb )	[01:50]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - ItBit US Out of Business before May 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1149/itbit-us-out-of-business-before-may-2016/#b13	[04:19]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bashar al-Assad still in office May 1st, 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1145/bashar-al-assad-still-in-office-may-1st-2016/#b9	[04:19]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.01000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b25	[06:49]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b26	[07:15]
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punkman	http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/	[08:10]
assbot	The NSA’s SKYNET program may be killing thousands of innocent people \| Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQjPYf )	[08:10]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNVqe_Fa72w	[08:14]
assbot	GG Allin - Livin' Like An Animal - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQk45D )	[08:14]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo will prolly appreciate http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#comment-116552	[08:46]
assbot	The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBVWiV )	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	but i am also very curious to hear out disagreement, especially from the esteemed peers living with young children.	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	"Last year, The Intercept published documents detailing the NSA's SKYNET programme. According to the documents, SKYNET engages in mass surveillance of Pakistan's mobile phone network, and then uses a machine learning algorithm on the cellular network metadata of 55 million people to try and rate each person's likelihood of being a terrorist." << hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first!	[08:48]
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asciilifeform	http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/using-ipv6-with-linux-youve-likely-been-visited-by-shodan-and-other-scanners << ntp and ipv6 lulz	[09:50]
assbot	Using IPv6 with Linux? You’ve likely been visited by Shodan and other scanners \| Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJ72p5 )	[09:50]
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asciilifeform	http://arstechnica.co.uk/staff/2016/02/open-instruments-and-tools-nice-idea-tough-to-implement << from same rag, mega-jwz piece	[10:07]
assbot	Science with open hardware: A new way to restrict participation \| Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJ9KL7 )	[10:07]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: lol	[10:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00056257 = 45.315 BTC [-] {3}	[11:21]
shinohai	https://redd.it/461ts8 <<< Let's not include a fee because it's only $25	[11:58]
assbot	I selected "no fee if possible", it's been 5 hours. Am I boned? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnpBxA )	[11:58]
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mod6	morning, just a heads up here. ben has been testing V for me, and we're going through it. might need another patch tonight.	[12:13]
mod6	will let you all know. thanks	[12:13]
BingoBoingo	ty mod6	[12:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00056665 = 31.2224 BTC [+]	[12:24]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Eulora auction, February the 21st - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-auction-february-the-21st/	[12:25]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first! << never knew people played go in pakistan	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	go-at.	[12:28]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: anyway rockets are so 20th c << I hope for warp drive by 22nd century.	[12:30]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.18135891 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b29	[12:32]
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BingoBoingo	Need more amazon https://imgur.com/a/jweYf	[12:34]
assbot	Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrCAJn )	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	in other bitcoin news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lul4ub4Rnp1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[12:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LrCFwP )	[12:35]
shinohai	What is that mircea_popescu, a human representation of the Ethereum pyramid scheme?	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	these are pubic beards not neckbeards.	[12:37]
shinohai	true! :D	[12:37]
shinohai	Not that Buterin can grow any facial hair.	[12:37]
BingoBoingo	Ah, Phillipinos!	[12:38]
shinohai	BingoBoingo: I hear she needs moar hands, a job for you! https://49.media.tumblr.com/47055c3220254c6644bb5a8ed754c334/tumblr_o0z8mr3PRD1ugsfk7o2_500.gif	[12:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LrD7Lo )	[12:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.0005589 = 9.2219 BTC [-] {2}	[12:41]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: Notice the darker skin on the dieselbag's legs suggest Beetus is already about to take them.	[12:41]
shinohai	I'm just wondering since she is sitting on the floor if there was a crane handy to help lift her after this photo was made.	[12:43]
BingoBoingo	Probably just kicked it into the rendering pot afterwards.	[12:44]
BingoBoingo	Then estherification and voila, diesel.	[12:44]
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shinohai	xD	[12:46]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: Don't go swimming https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/863251	[12:47]
assbot	What was your favorite thing that the fats have ruined? \| fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrDUMc )	[12:47]
BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/C5vfpS4.png	[12:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LrE2eE )	[12:48]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/oy95l	[12:49]
assbot	I'm sick of the shallow insecure people on this site : depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrE46u )	[12:49]
shinohai	There is a public pool just a few streets down from me. So many fat people were there last summer I wondered how all the water wasn't displaced.	[12:49]
punkman	https://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2016/02/cve-2015-7547-glibc-getaddrinfo-stack.html	[13:00]
assbot	Google Online Security Blog: CVE-2015-7547: glibc getaddrinfo stack-based buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrFhL1 )	[13:00]
asciilifeform	ahahahahahahaha	[13:01]
asciilifeform	drep drep drepper	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	awww	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	now that trb no longer uses it, is ok to burn it ?	[13:02]
asciilifeform	apparently	[13:02]
asciilifeform	would've been glorious if they'd fired it first	[13:02]
asciilifeform	empty the prb folks	[13:02]
asciilifeform	but that'd be burning prb, which is a no-no.	[13:02]
asciilifeform	(for anyone who forgot, prb still has hardcoded dns seed etc)	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	#b-a, the driving force behind internet security phenomena. since 2016.	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo incidentally, this should be qntra'd asap.	[13:03]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: ALready started	[13:03]
asciilifeform	'The glibc DNS client side resolver is vulnerable to a stack-based buffer overflow when the getaddrinfo() library function is used. Software using this function may be exploited with attacker-controlled domain names, attacker-controlled DNS servers, or through a man-in-the-middle attack.'	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	see if stackexchange burial team is at battlestations or not.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform should be pretty lulzy to read the "never happened and if it did we did it first nayway" verbiage.	[13:04]
asciilifeform	naturally.	[13:04]
asciilifeform	at this point i would be greatly surprised to see anything else.	[13:04]
punkman	"Remote code execution is possible, but not straightforward. It requires bypassing the security mitigations present on the system, such as ASLR. We will not release our exploit code, but a non-weaponized Proof of Concept has been made available"	[13:05]
asciilifeform	'We would like to thank .... blahblah ... Florian Weimer ...	[13:05]
asciilifeform	''	[13:05]
asciilifeform	... and the rest of the glibc team '	[13:06]
asciilifeform	l0l!!	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	left a note in bitcoin-dev for maxilulz.	[13:06]
asciilifeform	'The vectors to trigger this buffer overflow are very common and can include ssh, sudo, and curl.'	[13:06]
asciilifeform	is anyone still unclear why i did not and still do not want curl in vtron ?!!!!	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	totally, thank the people who put the hole in, it's because of their "hard work" that you have a hole to burn.	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	asshats.	[13:07]
punkman	" The code that causes the vulnerability was introduced in May 2008 as part of glibc 2.9."	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that never was the unclear part. didja have a replacement was the unclear part.	[13:07]
asciilifeform	the replacement is manual loading of tarballs from wherever onto the build box.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[13:08]
asciilifeform	a la pgp.	[13:08]
asciilifeform	and the offloading of the built binary, via same.	[13:08]
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asciilifeform	from, as i gather, elementary economic calculations, the enemy focuses almost all effort on real-time/net-connected crapola	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	aha	[13:10]
PeterL	asciilifeform wasn't the thing you were describing, 'g', going to be for downloading stuff?	[13:10]
asciilifeform	PeterL: not precisely	[13:10]
asciilifeform	PeterL: it is supposed to be a generic cipherator for tcp tunnel	[13:10]
asciilifeform	but not released yet, and at this rate no idea if even releasable at all, i lack a cipher	[13:10]
asciilifeform	what i wanted was a generic, fits-in-head (a few 1000 lines of c, no deps) stateless, 'protocol-less' cipherator that one could put, e.g., ftp over	[13:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00056335 = 18.8722 BTC [+] {3}	[13:14]
asciilifeform	incidentally, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#988950	[13:15]
assbot	Logged on 23-01-2015 04:24:33; asciilifeform: i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]	[13:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: also recall, i excised not only dns but glibc	[13:15]
asciilifeform	(in case you are thinking of writing this up for qntra etc)	[13:15]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-unveils-glibc-dns-client-vulnerability-many-bitcoin-implementations-affected/	[13:16]
assbot	Google Unveils Glibc DNS Client Vulnerability Many Bitcoin Implementations Affected \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHczf )	[13:16]
BingoBoingo	Currently seeking Corrections!	[13:16]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: see above	[13:16]
asciilifeform	~we nuked glibc entirely~	[13:16]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Google Unveils Glibc DNS Client Vulnerability Many Bitcoin Implementations Affected - http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-unveils-glibc-dns-client-vulnerability-many-bitcoin-implementations-affected/	[13:17]
asciilifeform	(rotor musl build)	[13:17]
asciilifeform	^ what everybody here, i think, is using at this point	[13:17]
BingoBoingo	~we nuked glibc entirely~ << Nuked the NEED for glibc	[13:17]
asciilifeform	aha	[13:17]
asciilifeform	it no longer need exist on our planet.	[13:17]
asciilifeform	at least after emacs is fixed.	[13:18]
BingoBoingo	But could be built against glibc so I think my wording is correct.	[13:18]
asciilifeform	'could' even be built on winblowz.	[13:18]
BingoBoingo	But any other corrections before SEO advances?	[13:18]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i would add in your article that the flagship trb boxes are running sans-glibc.	[13:18]
asciilifeform	and have been for many months.	[13:19]
BingoBoingo	Noted, more can be added in comments by the knowlegable	[13:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35081 @ 0.00056665 = 19.8786 BTC [+]	[13:20]
asciilifeform	https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-02/msg00416.html << holy fuck the sheer mass of fecal matter	[13:21]
assbot	Carlos O'Donell - [PATCH] CVE-2015-7547 --- glibc getaddrinfo() stack-based buffer overflo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHMwR )	[13:21]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/qntra/status/699628967024701440	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	nb	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	The reference bitcoind -> The reference Bitcoin	[13:23]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11110858	[13:24]
assbot	GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients except for one \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrI6f1 )	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	nb.	[13:24]
asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4635y5/glibc_remote_exploit_affects_all_bitcoin_clients/	[13:26]
assbot	GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients - except for one. : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrIj1X )	[13:26]
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asciilifeform	ahahahahaha	[13:26]
asciilifeform	guess wat.	[13:26]
*	assbot gives voice to felipelalli	[13:27]
asciilifeform	^ this is a new one for reddit, traditionally they 'shadowban'	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	isn't that standard ?	[13:27]
asciilifeform	nope	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:27]
felipelalli	!s openbsd	[13:27]
assbot	761 results for 'openbsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openbsd	[13:27]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: fxd	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	exciting times.	[13:27]
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asciilifeform	would be exciting, if i did not already know how this will go	[13:29]
asciilifeform	e.g., expect massive qntra ddos some time in the next few hrs	[13:29]
asciilifeform	etc.	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	"it is forbidden to suggest solutions to the septic problem that involve any manner of removing shit from the stack"	[13:29]
BingoBoingo	lol	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i'm not too worried bout that.	[13:29]
asciilifeform	the 'it never happened, and if it did, we had it first' thing has never failed to date.	[13:30]
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mircea_popescu	aha. ever-more testing the bounds of insanity, too. it's fun to watch.	[13:30]
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asciilifeform	florian weimer et al are 'security professionals' for 'fixing' holes after the fact (self-planted, but who will print this.) whereas we are 'nutters' for removing the cancerous tissue preemptively.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	there is nothing wrong with this.	[13:32]
felipelalli	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384165 << asciilifeform why (about OpenBSD "needs to be helped die") do you think so?	[13:33]
assbot	Logged on 24-01-2016 15:13:09; asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die	[13:33]
asciilifeform	felipelalli: try reading the thread ?	[13:33]
trinque	I read it, did not find it conclusive.	[13:33]
felipelalli	trinque, the same	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	but ask better question than "why do you think so"	[13:33]
asciilifeform	!s openbsd dbus	[13:34]
assbot	5 results for 'openbsd dbus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openbsd+dbus	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath.	[13:34]
trinque	so you don't like ports	[13:34]
trinque	this is distinct from talking about openbsd	[13:34]
asciilifeform	trinque: SO THE MOTHERFUCKING OS IS UNUSABLE	[13:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00055953 = 16.4502 BTC [-]	[13:34]
trinque	this is absurd	[13:34]
asciilifeform	there is no openbsd sans the ports.	[13:34]
trinque	horse shit; I've built all manner of things myself	[13:34]
asciilifeform	as have i.	[13:34]
asciilifeform	a torn out kernel is not 'openbsd', it is bsd.	[13:34]
asciilifeform	the thing is an ensemble, like gentoo	[13:35]
asciilifeform	and normally used as such.	[13:35]
trinque	do you have a particular vintage of linux kernel you prefer?	[13:35]
BingoBoingo	felipelalli: alf hates the OpenBSD ports turdage which has lots of shitgnomery and the occasional userland shitgnomery	[13:35]
asciilifeform	trinque: vintage is not the right word	[13:35]
trinque	because from where I sit the most recent ones have an obscene amount of "features" bolted on which I do not use	[13:35]
asciilifeform	i have a number of kernels painfully prepared for different boxes	[13:36]
asciilifeform	that are quite entirely different	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	bespokeos	[13:36]
asciilifeform	and each took some days of manual sewing, to produce	[13:36]
asciilifeform	and i imagine most folks here have - same.	[13:36]
BingoBoingo	there is no openbsd sans the ports. << The userland is enough for a webserver/firewall/etc box	[13:36]
felipelalli	At least they really care about security. I tried to compile Bitcoin Core in OpenBSD once but I couldn't (in a quick & dirt attempt).	[13:36]
trinque	^ that much is true, and something I quite like	[13:36]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: understand, if i can't build and run emacs and its dependencies, the os is fit for 'bury in concrete' only - e.g., router	[13:36]
asciilifeform	and quite likely not even this	[13:37]
asciilifeform	because whatever prevents a sane emacs build, is likely to interfere with other work	[13:37]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: But for many purposes that's all box needs to do. Emacs up the text somewhere else.	[13:37]
asciilifeform	in the case of openbsd, it is that virtually all of the major ports pull in dbus.	[13:38]
trinque	I can agree readily that's a sin	[13:38]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it is flagrantly unfit for battleship	[13:38]
BingoBoingo	Battle ship and frigate are different boats.	[13:38]
asciilifeform	and in fact its mere inclusion of dbus spoils the entire nominal flavour of 'sane and security-oriented'	[13:38]
trinque	it is whether linux is fit(ter) that I question.	[13:38]
felipelalli	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406979 << lol mircea!	[13:38]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 16:30:16; mircea_popescu: in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath.	[13:38]
asciilifeform	it is a rat-sized cockroach in a fine restaurant.	[13:38]
asciilifeform	right on my plate.	[13:38]
BingoBoingo	But anyways the enemy here is m:tier specifically	[13:38]
trinque	it causes me to seriously consider producing a ports tree of my own	[13:39]
asciilifeform	trinque: linux (at least a reasonably well-cultivated linux) is ispo facto 'fitter' on account of having the ability to build emacs sans dbus.	[13:39]
asciilifeform	understand, this is NOT negotiable.	[13:39]
trinque	I run without dbus as well, and understand fully why this is a Good Thing	[13:39]
asciilifeform	i was unable even to build most logging demons from ports	[13:40]
asciilifeform	because dbus.	[13:40]
asciilifeform	now the other thing about openbsd is the incident with theo and that microshit flunkie	[13:40]
asciilifeform	the one who approved spitting in mircea_popescu's face after the donation.	[13:40]
asciilifeform	and the one who presides over the 'hackathon' vermin while theo (who is afflicted with some peculiar stockholm syndrome) starves in a garret	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	i would say that openbsd pre 2014 and openbsd post 2014 are entirely unrelated entities.	[13:41]
asciilifeform	this is abundantly clear	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	the tenuous thread of theo's own person is not enough to keep this shit together, because he's too jwz-ish to engage the more important half - politics.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	so in this sense... lizzards got petrified, moved in, stole it.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	at least that's my interpretation of events.	[13:42]
BingoBoingo	ALso possible, Theo's wrath bit is losing sensistivity as he ages	[13:43]
asciilifeform	the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo	[13:43]
trinque	I can see all this, yet meanwhile linux has hypervisors and keychains and complex abstractions around "namespaces" and "containers" and ...	[13:43]
BingoBoingo	They stole theo's inner circle.	[13:43]
asciilifeform	and the answer likely involves him having been surrounded by quislings for ~years~	[13:43]
asciilifeform	trinque: they are removable	[13:44]
BingoBoingo	Likely starting with the Bob Beck fellow	[13:44]
asciilifeform	this is key.	[13:44]
trinque	asciilifeform: yes, but did they not affect decisions elsewhere in the kernel?	[13:44]
asciilifeform	trinque: certainly	[13:44]
trinque	I have spent countless hours pruning a kernel config	[13:44]
asciilifeform	but there is not ~yet~ a linux kernel equivalent of dbus cancer	[13:45]
asciilifeform	though the systemd folks are working day and night, for this.	[13:45]
trinque	asciilifeform: were the dbusified ports tree otherwise, would that change your assessment of obsd?	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo << this is deeply uninteresting, as it's well documented. see for instance http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#selection-89.0-89.179	[13:45]
assbot	The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr )	[13:45]
asciilifeform	trinque: i have nfi what ~else~ is systematically broken	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	the current crop of bois have all the patriotism of a wet noodle.	[13:45]
asciilifeform	only got as far as dbus.	[13:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: unfortunately the highlight thing displays ~nowhere~ i've tried it on.	[13:46]
asciilifeform	not even crapple!	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	darn.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	"the young man's father, a smart fellow who has bought hook line and sinker into the theory that satisfying the desires of women is more important than satisfying the needs of men."	[13:46]
asciilifeform	what do i need, to excatate ie6 ?!	[13:46]
asciilifeform	*excavate	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	it similarly works on everything i try, so i dunno. tis sad tho.	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	i really liked the indicating.	[13:47]
asciilifeform	possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ?	[13:47]
asciilifeform	re: what browser etc.	[13:47]
asciilifeform	but i still don't get (am i thick?) the point about 'the patriotism' of 'the bois'	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	so ask a q.	[13:48]
asciilifeform	what in this case means patriotism ? who are the bois ?	[13:49]
asciilifeform	where do i even begin	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	the boi, in this case, is theo de radt, but he's not so dissimilar from any other esl speaker.	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	patriotism, in this case, is a willingness to die to defend your territory, as you define it - NOT as some woman defines it.	[13:49]
asciilifeform	waitasec i thought he was from za ?!!	[13:49]
asciilifeform	esL?	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	a fine example in this vein would be the case of a late night trip, during which a drunk hobo on the street started growling, and a random, accountant-looking bypasser yelled him down.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	esl - english as a single language.	[13:50]
asciilifeform	yeah but is he ?	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	apparently.	[13:50]
*	asciilifeform did not know this.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	people can have french loess without being ethnically french. it's a mental illness, not anything else.	[13:51]
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asciilifeform	loess?	[13:51]
trinque	the state is the ultimate owner of all property, so they told the bois. how then could anyone possibly have territory?	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	tough.	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform now think about it : would random usian engage hobo on the grounds that "fuck you, be quiet, you're living on MY street" on the simple grounds of ~having been passing by there~ ?	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	this is patriotism, in perhaps an extreme degree.	[13:55]
asciilifeform	can hardly picture this.	[13:55]
asciilifeform	maybe in 1900.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	"it's my fucking street, because i am walking on it, and if you wish to be here, you'll play by my rules, all of them, right now"	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	obviously this makes it difficult to office drone.	[13:56]
asciilifeform	it is not only that 'office drone' has no knife and never swung a fist in his life and etc. as mircea_popescu probably imagines. though all of this is true. it is ALSO that the street is NOT HIS	[13:56]
asciilifeform	it is... a hotel.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[13:56]
asciilifeform	'where is the man who will die for a hotel?'	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	which has its advantages.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	and... its disadvantages	[13:57]
asciilifeform	i've lived in usa since '92. it remains, to me, a hotel.	[13:57]
asciilifeform	and not the swankiest possible hotel, either.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	(i am not, as it may appear on the strength of the rarity of such arcane knowledge, proposing that this is some sort of better or ideal solution. it is merely different. lettuce not fall into 1900s orientalism over here.)	[13:57]
asciilifeform	just a 'roach motel.'	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	well... so now you see why exactly i say patriotism. who the fuck dies to defend... 8ball motels ?	[13:57]
asciilifeform	only an idiot	[13:58]
asciilifeform	or, perhaps, owner	[13:58]
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mircea_popescu	yeah. meanwhile, as far as usable software is concerned, ownership is both an absolute bar to shitgnomery and as near as i can determine the only workable basis.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	and so here we are.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	contrary to what the kids [like to {pretend like they're}] think{ing}, coding ability is a relatively unimportant consideration. political ability, in the very simple sense of a mental capacity for ownership, is the larger half.	[14:00]
asciilifeform	who needs engine, when you have wheels!	[14:00]
asciilifeform	l0l	[14:00]
asciilifeform	but elementarily, 'coding ability' as a concept is a lie	[14:01]
asciilifeform	the interesting variable here is the ability to ~select problems~	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[14:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00056339 = 19.775 BTC [+] {2}	[14:01]
asciilifeform	(rather than what is normally presented as 'coding ability' in idiot industry, this being - quickly and accurately solving the non-problems posed by non-people)	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	so there you go.	[14:02]
*	trinque understands better (he thinks) the "keep it" in "a republic, if you can keep it", and also the absurdity of to whom that was supposedly addressed	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	it was said, amusingly... to a woman.	[14:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00056665 = 6.7431 BTC [+]	[14:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00056767 = 5.2793 BTC [+]	[14:13]
BingoBoingo	Reality distortion field "Bingo Boingo is 100% totally rational and completely unbiased. He is not at all a shill. Nope." https://archive.is/hNMQ7	[14:14]
assbot	Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability (Includes Core, Classic, and XT) : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20BF6DR )	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	so by this logic they don't believe in "bringing democracy" to various countries, because the people arguing for it are obvious usg shills ?	[14:15]
BingoBoingo	seriously	[14:15]
asciilifeform	imho the enemy simple isn't bleeding enough.	[14:15]
asciilifeform	why should the folks who ran glibc still have coin?	[14:15]
asciilifeform	*simply	[14:15]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407058 << it never worked for me, which I think i pointed out when it was first deployed. Ironically, I was the inspiration for the select script being included into trilema in the first place. It works for me if I am the one who did the selecting.	[14:16]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 16:43:29; asciilifeform: possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ?	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so weaponize it and collect.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron weird.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform danielpbarron does it work for you on archive.is ?	[14:17]
danielpbarron	if if do the selecting, yes	[14:17]
danielpbarron	if you, i don't know	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	let's try.	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/hNMQ7#selection-2171.7-2171.27	[14:17]
assbot	Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability (Includes Core, Classic, and XT) : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20BFC4I )	[14:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: needs seat at network chokepoints.	[14:17]
asciilifeform	(to 'collect')	[14:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this link - works	[14:18]
danielpbarron	>> be biased, but this	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	holy shit.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck is this possibru even.	[14:18]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[14:21]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 407.0, vol: 7801.02754879 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 407.858, vol: 8464.90993 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 407.88, vol: 17914.15908173 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 2.05746269 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 420.11415, vol: 40679.23460000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.25999, vol: 713.02806616 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 408.973656, vol: 75.03929666 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[14:21]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[14:21]
gribble	414.360801002	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/#selection-63.0-63.28 ?	[14:26]
assbot	That spiffy selection thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK0NBa )	[14:26]
trinque	mircea_popescu: that works over here in chrome	[14:27]
trinque	did not earlier	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	nice!	[14:27]
asciilifeform	still nothing.	[14:29]
asciilifeform	(also box with 'chrome')	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ?	[14:40]
assbot	House of games on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK3DGz )	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron ^	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	and trinque	[14:40]
asciilifeform	works	[14:41]
asciilifeform	but... why ?	[14:42]
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BingoBoingo	Hello PaulCapestany	[14:47]
PaulCapestany	hi	[14:47]
PaulCapestany	sorry, new to this chat, what's the !up about?	[14:48]
PeterL	lets you talk	[14:48]
yamamushi	How does one go about starting out on the WoT ?	[14:48]
BingoBoingo	PaulCapestany: Yes, otherwise you can register a GPG key, introduce yourself, and mebbe voice yourself	[14:48]
BingoBoingo	!help	[14:48]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[14:48]
yamamushi	Thanks	[14:48]
BingoBoingo	^ that way	[14:48]
thestringpuller	the getting started page is a bit easier to follow tho	[14:49]
thestringpuller	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[14:49]
PeterL	!noob	[14:49]
PaulCapestany	thestringpuller: thanks, checking that out	[14:49]
PeterL	I guess that has not been implemented yet	[14:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00056778 = 2.6118 BTC [+]	[14:51]
BingoBoingo	Ah most of the discussion so far is where it is expected https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/463a0r/nearly_all_bitcoin_nodes_affected_by_glibc_dns/	[14:52]
assbot	Nearly All Bitcoin Nodes Affected By Glibc DNS Vulnerability : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK5ScJ )	[14:52]
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mircea_popescu	i am proud to announce that a piddle of ddos being currently measured isn't even remotely sufficient.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	will need moar dakka.	[14:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: give'em time, it's lunch hour at ft meade now	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	oic.	[14:54]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407146 >> purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin <<	[14:54]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 17:36:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ?	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	i see "n A Soundstage - Among The Papier Machee, volume 8, and the make-up and blocking... good lord. Mamet's wife has that short cropped "rape & attempted suicide survivor" look sterile women " ;/	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	damn.	[14:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00056767 = 14.7594 BTC [-]	[14:56]
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BingoBoingo	http://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/02/16/1724222/red-hat-google-disclose-severe-glibc-dns-vulnerability-patched-but-widespread	[14:58]
assbot	Red Hat, Google Disclose Severe Glibc DNS Vulnerability; Patched But Widespread - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK77Zr )	[14:58]
BingoBoingo	^ Qntra linked	[14:59]
trinque	mircea_popescu \| asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ? << works here.	[14:59]
assbot	House of games on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK3DGz )	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	trinque underlines what text ?	[14:59]
trinque	"purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin"	[14:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189033 @ 0.00056781 = 107.3348 BTC [+] {2}	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	i see same on ff	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	aite then!	[15:01]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the blackout re: trb is more or less total, don't expect miracles	[15:02]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Miracles. No. Just slowly building a history. This is how samizdat werkz nao.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you never said, does trilema selection as updated work for you asciilifeform ?	[15:06]
asciilifeform	in last link - worked	[15:07]
asciilifeform	in, e.g., http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#selection-89.0-89.179 - still does not	[15:08]
assbot	The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr )	[15:08]
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mircea_popescu	possibly because cached page ?	[15:09]
asciilifeform	reload did not fix.	[15:10]
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mircea_popescu	that's bizarre, they're all fed from the same place.	[15:10]
asciilifeform	nfi!	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	how about http://trilema.com/2016/the-top-3-best-self-introductions-in-bitcoin-assets-to-date/#selection-83.0-85.4	[15:11]
assbot	The top 3 best self-introductions in #bitcoin-assets to date on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9vzr )	[15:11]
asciilifeform	displays.	[15:11]
asciilifeform	'ReutersEmily Huh'	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	i'm calling it good.	[15:12]
asciilifeform	i suspect multiline doesn't work.	[15:12]
asciilifeform	because we had this thread before	[15:12]
asciilifeform	and 2-3 word examples mircea_popescu posts, work	[15:12]
asciilifeform	but the real thing - not.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/#selection-35.47-43.123 ?	[15:13]
assbot	The worm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9StM )	[15:13]
asciilifeform	works...	[15:13]
asciilifeform	odd.	[15:13]
trinque	browsers can at times be exceedingly impolite when told to refresh.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	^	[15:14]
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thestringpuller	I would like to see a rating of webpage compatibility based on how usable it is in lynx or links	[15:23]
asciilifeform	this is reasonably machine-calculable.	[15:24]
asciilifeform	score based on absence of web20isms.	[15:25]
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punkman	"works without javascript" is the important part, which is hard to calculate with machine	[15:27]
punkman	because I don't care whether it has 150 embedded webfonts . since I'm not loading them	[15:28]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Markets Favoring Man Over Machine In Upcoming Go Match - http://qntra.net/2016/02/markets-favoring-man-over-machine-in-upcoming-go-match/	[15:29]
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mircea_popescu	no js is a reasonable proxy.	[15:34]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[15:35]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 406.17, vol: 8171.76179679 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 407.31, vol: 9123.2063 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 406.49, vol: 18764.66928457 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 1.62006337 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 419.983675, vol: 40585.68040000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 405.915, vol: 788.53483152 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 409.58487, vol: 79.22826827 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[15:35]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[15:35]
gribble	413.615274557	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	in somewhat other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/37d7f9a17c8ca34763f83b0ded799989/tumblr_nlrq6wqpmH1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[15:39]
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PaulCapestany	BingoBoingo hey, I registered my gpg key, apparently I need someone to rate me now?	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	!rate PaulCapestany 1 new blood	[15:40]
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BingoBoingo	congrats	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.PaulCapestany.1:26e03f3f8070a43066e1e713b353905300404f25e96aae5814beef6d548bcd27	[15:41]
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PeterL	PaulCapestany who are you? What brings you here?	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00055971 = 18.9182 BTC [-] {3}	[15:42]
PaulCapestany	mircea_popescu thanks for the rating	[15:48]
PaulCapestany	PeterL I just kept hearing this IRC channel mentioned in various places, figured I'd check it out	[15:48]
asciilifeform	PaulCapestany: which places ?	[15:49]
phf	nsa.slack.com	[15:49]
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asciilifeform	l0l!	[15:50]
PeterL	I just got this email at work: "In celebration of receiving a shipment of Baboon semen please enjoy a cream filled treat in the kitchen."	[15:50]
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BingoBoingo	!b 1	[15:52]
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mircea_popescu	lol PeterL	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	nice to work with people with a sense of homour	[15:55]
PeterL	"homour" - some sort of mesh of "homo" and "humour"?	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	:)	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	just a little strategic dyslexia	[16:00]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: buried on hn apparently	[16:04]
asciilifeform	mega-unsurprise.	[16:04]
asciilifeform	i don't think i'll bother posting there again.	[16:05]
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BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: I think our friend Rober V has alf hellbanned or something.	[16:05]
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BingoBoingo	A wild Maxwell appears https://archive.is/7yuoi	[16:06]
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punkman	http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran/Israels-rash-behavior-blew-operation-to-sabotage-Irans-computers-US-officials-say-444970	[16:07]
assbot	Exclusive: Israel’s rash behavior blew operation to sabotage Iran’s computers, US officials say - Middle East - Jerusalem Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKk9WT )	[16:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137450 @ 0.00056794 = 78.0634 BTC [+] {3}	[16:09]
jurov	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35569281 inspiration for trb :D	[16:10]
assbot	Why is the UK still printing its laws on vellum? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkM2E )	[16:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: every time trb is mentioned on reddit, i see this crud re: 'important fixes.'	[16:12]
asciilifeform	what, precisely ?	[16:12]
asciilifeform	the prb folks never fail to disgorge this line	[16:12]
asciilifeform	but what are they talking about ?	[16:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ?	[16:12]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: Luke-JR claimed that a rogue miner could push TRB nodes with blocks that aren't valid and fool them.	[16:13]
thestringpuller	But that seems not to be feasible in the wild.	[16:13]
punkman	hard to figure this out since they didn't note them in changelogs	[16:13]
punkman	or even commit messages	[16:13]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: I guess Luke-jr generalized it as "doesn't enforce softforks thus insecure"	[16:14]
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asciilifeform	thestringpuller: link ?	[16:14]
thestringpuller	one second	[16:15]
punkman	https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures	[16:16]
assbot	Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/20BX1u5 )	[16:16]
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asciilifeform	punkman: quite useless page	[16:20]
asciilifeform	(none of the items mentioned therein match thestringpuller's description)	[16:20]
asciilifeform	what am i missing ?	[16:20]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: he was never actually even in their wot as far as i can tell	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree " all over again, is it ?	[16:21]
punkman	https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe	[16:22]
assbot	CVE-2013-2293 - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/20BXZX7 )	[16:22]
shinohai	"The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> mircea_popescu ? <<< you know, if you ask obama what exactly is his contribution past blind tom wiggins he'll also say "important security fixes". it is somehow inadherent to the common mentality of usians to flatly admit "nothing really - i'm just a nigger slave singing for massah, nothing changed in two centuries."	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	so they gotta pretend there's this mystical reservoir of metaphysics that'll readily provide differentiation qs.	[16:26]
asciilifeform	suspected as much.	[16:26]
punkman	did the power rangers ever find a remote code execution vuln?	[16:26]
asciilifeform	punkman: ~created~ plenty	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	we found them, then "they found them first".	[16:27]
asciilifeform	gotta understand how 'finding vulns' actually works.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller luke-jr also claimed bfl delivered his order. then it turned out it was a "prototype" and outright payola.	[16:28]
asciilifeform	generally it is a process resembling apiculture. no one individually orders a bee to pollinate a particular plant. bees - are introduced, do their thing. likewise dreppers.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	he's a well known liar, next you're going to what, tell me what karpeles said ?	[16:28]
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mircea_popescu	"The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK << needless to say, no one "sane" for that definition of sane has anything of any value or interest to offer, to anyone.	[16:31]
ben_vulpes	lol who said that	[16:31]
shinohai	For an extra 1 BTC we could erase MAxwell too!	[16:32]
asciilifeform	incidentally, who remembers how kennedy put $1 on fidel castro's head ?	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	amusingly, castro's dollar bought more kennedy than kennedy's dollar bought castro.	[16:32]
asciilifeform	(legend has it that some former fucktoy of castro's got as far as his office, in hopes of claiming bounty, he handed her a pistol himself, 'do it', she did not)	[16:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14065 @ 0.00055638 = 7.8255 BTC [-] {3}	[16:34]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407285 << 'Note that the attacker does not need to sign the inputs nor to have the full block-chain to perform the attack. He only requires the hashes of all previous transactions...' << why not check the sigs ~first~, before fetching anything ?	[16:38]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 19:18:49; punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe	[16:38]
asciilifeform	handy kill.	[16:38]
phf	"important fixes" is the equivalent of "here be dragons" from medieval cartography	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	more like the equivalent of "domestic bliss" from the lulzy institution of singles-marriage.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	that enchanted thing that never existed except in retrospect, when some derp is complaining to the judge that someone else "ruined it".	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	except if it were actually present, no "ruining" would have been possible	[16:39]
asciilifeform	incidentally i see no reason why any trb node ought to allow a tx (mempool, vs in-block) to consume more cpu time than it took to receive from the nic.	[16:40]
asciilifeform	as per the 'nobody gets jack shit just for showing up' law.	[16:40]
asciilifeform	ultimately, there are precisely two kinds of possible bitcoin node:	[16:41]
asciilifeform	1) the kind that processes ALL INPUTS at LINE SPEED	[16:41]
asciilifeform	2) the kind that is behind impenetrable and entirely nonpublic wall, a la gossipd, and deals only with cryptoidentifiable peers.	[16:46]
asciilifeform	tertium non datur.	[16:46]
asciilifeform	of course this is a trick question, because presently no box on the net is a (1)	[16:46]
asciilifeform	except possibly for a disconnected one.	[16:46]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform: yea I can't find it. i don't feel like wasting more time on it. he basically just said, "This client is forked from out of date thing which is insecure cause rogue miner blah blah blah"	[16:47]
ben_vulpes	punkman: jpost bit is plarious	[16:54]
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asciilifeform	thestringpuller: snore.	[16:54]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407297 << on that note, one time in his #yandere channel he lied about whether he was the yandere or not, and killed everyone :<	[16:56]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 19:24:38; mircea_popescu: he's a well known liar, next you're going to what, tell me what karpeles said ?	[16:56]
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punkman	;;ud plarious	[16:56]
gribble	Google found nothing.	[16:56]
danielpbarron	when i play games in which i might be a secret bad guy type thing, I still don't lie about it. I just don't say anything one way or the other. This means not talking too much even as one of the good guys, so it won't look out of place when I'm a bad guy	[16:58]
ben_vulpes	punkman: pretty hilarious	[16:59]
ben_vulpes	danielpbarron: yandere?	[16:59]
danielpbarron	a bot randomly assigns roles to anyone who wants to play, at least one of which is a murder guy called the 'yandere'	[16:59]
danielpbarron	the good guys have to figure out who he is over the course of days and nights. The yandere can optionally kill people at night	[17:00]
punkman	also known as "werewolf" or "mafia"	[17:00]
danielpbarron	there's lots of similar games; I prefer one called "The Resistance"	[17:01]
danielpbarron	where there are opponents of an oppresive distopian government as good guys, and goverment agent spies as bad guys trying to sabotage the missions	[17:01]
danielpbarron	requires a minimum of 5 players though, so it's nearly impossible to play	[17:02]
asciilifeform	i think we play this here...	[17:05]
punkman	heh	[17:05]
danielpbarron	!b 5	[17:07]
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danielpbarron	how does this bash command work? is that automatically submitted to b.b-a.link or am I supposed to use that dpaste to submit it manually?	[17:07]
punkman	it's submitted	[17:08]
danielpbarron	ah, cool	[17:08]
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mircea_popescu	"* An example of Red Hat's "find and fix the whole issue, not just the obvious part", is shell shock. After the initial CVE for shell shock, several people proposed different ways of fixing it. Florian was one, he quickly worked on it and released a proposed patch. Over the next few days there were three MORE CVEs for shell shock, covering different variations on the same theme. Florian's initial patch covered all of t	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	hem, including the ones that hadn't been fully characterized when he proposed it. His approach was approved by general consensus and that's what we all use today - partly because he put in the time and effort to fix the broader issue, not just the specific case that had been identified. This approach means that sometimes it takes Red Hat a while to release a fix, but when they do, it's the right fix."	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	apparently a nude statemet of "florian werner knew exactly what the hole was, to an extent larger than what was at the time specified" doesn't coalesce into "holy shit, florian weimer puts the security holes in there!"	[17:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33845 @ 0.00055631 = 18.8283 BTC [-] {2}	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	why not ? how did he know ?	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	"security fixes!"	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	"hard work". bla-bla.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	intentional self-castration is a helluva thing.	[17:24]
asciilifeform	brain-melting.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	one ray morris.	[17:26]
asciilifeform	same story as, e.g., heartbleed.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[17:30]
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asciilifeform	in the sense that b-a was the only publicly-visible hole in the 'consensus reality'	[17:30]
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mircea_popescu	a, in that sense. yeah.	[17:32]
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davout	ohai all	[17:40]
thestringpuller	hai davout	[17:41]
asciilifeform	hi davout	[17:42]
shinohai	o/ davout	[17:42]
asciilifeform	how's life among the minarets of al-paris ?	[17:42]
davout	noisy five times a day	[17:42]
asciilifeform	i saw a fella kneel down towards mecca on a sheet of ice, last weekend	[17:43]
asciilifeform	mega-dedication.	[17:43]
davout	old, but related http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/08/30/toujours-pas-de-solution-pour-mettre-un-terme-aux-prieres-de-rue-a-paris_1565538_3224.html	[17:44]
assbot	Toujours pas de solution pour mettre un terme aux prières de rue à Paris ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjtdTF )	[17:44]
davout	anyway, the glibc dns drama seems to be yielding large amounts of lulz and butthurt	[17:45]
davout	"we can't remove this thing from our code because it breaks some unnecessary feature, also random reasons maybe" <-> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46354z/most_bitcoin_clients_affected_by_glibc_dns/d027oy0	[17:46]
assbot	nullc comments on Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjto19 )	[17:46]
shinohai	maxwell is butthurt beyond words.	[17:46]
*	shinohai apply to butthurt: ( ::: [ ] ::: )	[17:47]
thestringpuller	^-- that looks like an anus	[17:50]
davout	mircea_popescu: care to x.eur pl0x?	[17:50]
PeterL	thestringpuller are those freckles or pimples?	[17:51]
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mircea_popescu	o hey there.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	yeah on it.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	davout feel free to remind them that they can keep whatever gunk they like in their IRRELEVANT distro. bitcoin foundation has bitcoin covered, nobody needs them for any purpose.	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44417 @ 0.00056656 = 25.1649 BTC [+] {2}	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	shinohai> maxwell is butthurt beyond words. << feel free to link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407284	[18:00]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 19:17:04; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree " all over again, is it ?	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	this "experts" bullshit never gets old.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	when will redditards learn that YOU DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST THE REPUBLIC ?	[18:00]
asciilifeform	our of curiosity, anybody know what maxwell does for a living ?	[18:00]
asciilifeform	*out of	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean "for a living" ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	he eats the government cheese, just like everyone else in ebt land.	[18:01]
asciilifeform	but ~which~ cheese.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	you know, the stuff they give for free at walmart ?	[18:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20023 @ 0.00056795 = 11.3721 BTC [+]	[18:01]
asciilifeform	prolly not literally ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	ever met a 40 yo phd ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	yes literally.	[18:01]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: met hundreds	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	!up stec	[18:02]
-assbot-	You voiced stec for 30 minutes.	[18:02]
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Stec	oh, nice	[18:03]
Stec	hello all of	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	hi. who're you ?	[18:03]
Stec	Bitcoin enthusiast from Russia	[18:04]
punkman	asciilifeform: works at blockstream iirc	[18:05]
Stec	I have 5 full node	[18:06]
asciilifeform	punkman: ty. i suspected something of the kind.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	Stec are you running trb on them ?	[18:06]
Stec	trb?	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	the real bitcoin. as opposed to the pr-bitcoin.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	Stec http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << especially the mailing list.	[18:08]
assbot	..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	My the logs accumulate after steppign away from the screen just a bit.	[18:09]
Stec	I think to install one	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	go for it. with the scripts mod6 provides it's a breeze	[18:09]
Stec	accidentally found trb	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	and iirc he was looking for more testers.	[18:09]
Stec	5 nodes running on bitcoin core	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo hey, knc is firing people.	[18:10]
Stec	what an idea trb?	[18:10]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Where? Did the stabbing go to far? WHy are they brining guns into this?	[18:11]
Stec	clean code Satoshi	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well in the good tradition of shitcorps, they're opaque as mud, but apparently 20 or so.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	Stec also get registered with assbot	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	!h	[18:11]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[18:12]
Stec	what an idea trb?	[18:13]
shinohai	Stec: http://thebitcoin.foundation	[18:13]
assbot	..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )	[18:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You got a submission with your knc truefax?	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	notrly	[18:14]
asciilifeform	Stec: рекомендую познакомиться с исходиками trb, не пожалеешь	[18:14]
BingoBoingo	K, I found a source in Swedish	[18:14]
Stec	Я так понимаю задумка этого проекта это чистый код от Satoshi	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	pretty much yes.	[18:16]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will become a Third-Party Candidate - http://bitbet.us/bet/1187/donald-trump-will-become-a-third-party-candidate/#b11	[18:17]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b21	[18:17]
asciilifeform	Stec: не совсем - вылечили некоторые глюки, и убрали всякое лишнее	[18:17]
Stec	Разве команда Bitcoin core отходит от задумки Satoshi	[18:18]
asciilifeform	Stec: шутишь ?	[18:19]
thestringpuller	ит от задумки Satoshi	[18:19]
Stec	XT отходит от задумки	[18:19]
thestringpuller	oops.	[18:19]
Stec	Classic тоже	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	why do you suppose "the ideas of satoshi" are of any particular interest anyway ? or whatever is this.	[18:20]
Stec	погодите ребята, я не пойму. Я всегда думал что разработчики Core были только за идею Satoshi	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	what is "the satoshi idea" ?	[18:21]
jurov	;;ticker --market bitcoin-central --currency eur	[18:21]
gribble	Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker \| Best bid: 365.1, Best ask: 370.96, Bid-ask spread: 5.86000, Last trade: 370.8, 24 hour volume: 76.79598587, 24 hour low: 353.02, 24 hour high: 370.84, 24 hour vwap: 365.74033294	[18:21]
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Stec	Использовать единые правила, не делать хардфорки	[18:23]
asciilifeform	Stec: 'core' под пиндосским колпаком года 4-5	[18:23]
Stec	парни из classic делают разкол в сети	[18:24]
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Stec	Раскол сети, это же плохо зачем нужны вообще форки в 2 мегабайта	[18:25]
deedbot-	[Qntra] KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees - http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/	[18:25]
Stec	двойная трата	[18:25]
Stec	Так значит Core и вся команда уже не следует постулатам Satoshi	[18:26]
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Stec	trb не форк?	[18:26]
punkman	BingoBoingo: > "compromising 20% of their workforce"	[18:26]
asciilifeform	Stec: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407433 <<	[18:27]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 21:13:52; asciilifeform: Stec: не совсем - вылечили некоторые глюки, и убрали всякое лишнее	[18:27]
BingoBoingo	punkman: ty, fxd used to using the other word more	[18:27]
asciilifeform	Stec: а в остальном - 0.5.3	[18:27]
Stec	Это же очень старая версия	[18:27]
Stec	но она чистая, я так понял	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo plox to make the link to "you dare offend mp with your inept posturing, you die" point.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	mayhap it helps some other idiots somewhere down the line.	[18:28]
Stec	у меня ноды работают все на 11.2	[18:28]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I forget where did kncminer offend you. I'm juggling all the things right nao.	[18:29]
asciilifeform	Stec: после 0.5.3 - 'core' == торжество вредителей	[18:29]
thestringpuller	"yay lets work for this bitcoin company" ---- 5 months later ----> "oh no I got laid off!"	[18:29]
Stec	Я готов выделить пару серверов для trb	[18:29]
asciilifeform	anybody got a link to mod6's guide handy ?	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo weren't they one of the "supporters" of random forks ?	[18:30]
Stec	Вы думаете Core со временем угробит Bitcoin	[18:30]
Stec	Разве разработчики из Classic не сделают это раньше	[18:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16486 @ 0.00056766 = 9.3584 BTC [-]	[18:31]
BingoBoingo	Who even knows anymore, but until the Pete Relations firm opens up shoop I'm trying to juggle all of the propaganda myself. I might add it if I see it or if you find it first perhaps comment it up.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know, not ot be an asshole, but anything past brief inserts is pretty noisy to anyone but the select few who happen to read the language/	[18:31]
BingoBoingo	Comments seems like fine place for gloating.	[18:31]
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BingoBoingo	!up Stec	[18:32]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: my work is done	[18:32]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski seriously you gotta get on this MiniTruth business	[18:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:32]
asciilifeform	fella says he wants to try trb.	[18:33]
asciilifeform	needs recipe.	[18:33]
Stec	I'm sorry, I would like to speak English but I know it is bad	[18:33]
thestringpuller	What is MiniTruth again?	[18:33]
thestringpuller	!s minitruth	[18:34]
assbot	3 results for 'minitruth' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=minitruth	[18:34]
asciilifeform	Stec: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin	[18:34]
assbot	the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )	[18:35]
Stec	Спасибо	[18:35]
jurov	thestringpuller: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PropagandaMachine?from=Main.TheMinistryOfTruth	[18:35]
assbot	Propaganda Machine - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqfkkR )	[18:35]
Stec	asciilifeform откуда вы?	[18:36]
asciilifeform	Stec: 'мой адрес - не дом и не улица, мой адрес - советский союз' (TM) (R)	[18:37]
asciilifeform	let's try to stick to eng.	[18:37]
Stec	hah, ok	[18:38]
jurov	heh, советский человек ftw!	[18:38]
asciilifeform	Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371728	[18:39]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 21:09:08; thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: KNC miner also committed as well.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	should be a pretty good entry.	[18:40]
Stec	I have no problem to install a couple of three servers	[18:40]
BingoBoingo	Ah, you mean the fork where they said every pool had committed and Antminer was the only sucker who actually did?	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	great opportunity to improve your english also Stec :)	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no, this was the "classic" fork.	[18:40]
asciilifeform	Stec: start by building the code. we don't distribute binaries.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrh5atJHWs1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[18:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QjxVAA )	[18:41]
asciilifeform	Stec: you need gcc on any reasonable unix. that's all. trb will build a new compiler, and with it will build itself.	[18:41]
phf	we have replace all bitcoin crypto with GOST 28147-89, next step own koi8-r cyrillic based c++ translator	[18:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yes, the classic fork where they advertise pretty much everyone but F2Pool on their page even today and many of the pools have since fucked off	[18:42]
asciilifeform	phf: don't forget the built in volkov kommander !11	[18:42]
BingoBoingo	But yes will add a note because 2 for 1 lulz	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo aha.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	is volkov how you say norton in sputnik ?	[18:43]
asciilifeform	http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/Ch03/volkov_commander.shtml << believe or not	[18:43]
assbot	Volkov Commander - a masterpiece of assembler programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjy6Mn )	[18:43]
phf	send transaction by copy f6 from left tab to right tab	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:43]
Stec	you would know how I found you by accident, to the list of connected nodes	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	did we do the "xtg ruled" thing last time or not rly ?	[18:44]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: They still list Bitfury even though Bitfury led the "Let's all pull up our pants before MP gets here effort.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo considering they have no reputations or anything similar, they'll prolly list alf there next.	[18:44]
asciilifeform	l0lwutg	[18:44]
BingoBoingo	seriously.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	mhm.	[18:44]
danielpbarron	i made two comments on the /r/bitcoin redditard thing and they don't appear from archive.is point of view ; I think i recall a moderator explaining to me that my comments in particular require moderator approval	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	you be special!	[18:47]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: make more accounts, reddit doesn't check that you use different browsers on the same machine to talk to yourself and make a one man lulz train	[18:48]
BingoBoingo	It's what the Phillipinos do	[18:48]
danielpbarron	that's not my style	[18:48]
danielpbarron	i won't even rejoin irc channels from which i have been simply kicked (not banned)	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	why would you.	[18:49]
danielpbarron	they can come apologize to me if they want me back	[18:49]
BingoBoingo	Hey, I'm just pointing out the limits of the broken	[18:49]
BingoBoingo	Reddit was made exactly for the Phillipino sort of astroturf spammer	[18:50]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/ << and updated	[18:50]
assbot	KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyRF3 )	[18:50]
Stec	Classic 1000 is already connected nodes	[18:50]
Stec	https://bitnodes.21.co/dashboard/	[18:50]
assbot	24-hour Charts - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyTwP )	[18:50]
BingoBoingo	Stec: And a lot of them are on free AWS instances	[18:51]
Stec	I agree	[18:52]
Stec	To make it appear	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "Update: KncMiner is also one of the many mining operations listed to this day as supporting the ClassicCoin fork (along with Bitfury, which led the backpedalling effort after it became obvious Classiccoin does not have nor can acquire the support of key players in the market.)" ?	[18:53]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz << unzip, ./build_bitcoin.sh, make tea	[18:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHv )	[18:53]
ben_vulpes	but omg pulls from net	[18:53]
Stec	They outweigh the bulk of the total of connected nodes, and will split	[18:54]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: ty, fxd	[18:55]
BingoBoingo	Stec: I've only ever had 2 maximum classic nodes connected to any of mine at the same time.	[18:55]
shinohai	You must use a samovar to make the tea though, if you skip that step your bitcoind may function erratically.	[18:56]
Stec	Samovar, hah	[18:56]
Stec	Самовар это отличная штука	[18:57]
Stec	Частенько сапогом его раздувал	[18:57]
danielpbarron	and you need a slithy tove to make a samovar, and those are very hard to come by	[18:59]
shinohai	^^	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:00]
Stec	:D	[19:00]
BingoBoingo	What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt.	[19:01]
BingoBoingo	"vent with fire"	[19:02]
Stec	hahha	[19:02]
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BingoBoingo	!up Stec	[19:02]
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shinohai	!s http://www.knownaija.com/ibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github/	[19:04]
assbot	IBM has just open-sourced 44,000 lines of blockchain code on GitHub \| KnowNaija ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjA67q )	[19:04]
assbot	0 results for 'http://www.knownaija.com/ibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knownaija.com%2Fibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github%2F	[19:04]
mod6	there may be problems here: <+asciilifeform> Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.	[19:05]
mod6	these instructions are out of date	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	are 44k lines of crap better than merely 34k lines of crap ?	[19:06]
phf	BingoBoingo: there's basically a ru equivalent of throwing lion cells, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/7/7d/Кипятильник.JPG	[19:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QjAiDH )	[19:06]
asciilifeform	phf: you can get these in usa	[19:07]
asciilifeform	i have one.	[19:07]
mod6	this is the script that should be run to build: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh	[19:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1XqjVEO )	[19:07]
mod6	Stec: ^	[19:07]
phf	asciilifeform: i'm having trouble finding one that doesn't burn out	[19:07]
Stec	ok	[19:07]
BingoBoingo	phf: That just gets hot, doesn't vent fire	[19:07]
trinque	shinohai: reads like they redid ethereum	[19:07]
shinohai	trinque: yup, they figured out it is utter shit so they open sauced and hope someone can fix it.	[19:08]
BingoBoingo	phf: Looks a lot like "engine block heater" pretty common in mod6's corner of USia	[19:08]
asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46354z/most_bitcoin_clients_affected_by_glibc_dns/d02dax4 << lulzy	[19:09]
assbot	ScatoshiNukamoto comments on Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDB8Yp )	[19:09]
ben_vulpes	> blockchain suit	[19:11]
ben_vulpes	> suit	[19:11]
ben_vulpes	wut	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	and the land of the lounge lizzards!	[19:12]
trinque	sounds like a sweet suit	[19:12]
ben_vulpes	wrap me in blocks	[19:13]
ben_vulpes	chain me to sleep	[19:13]
ben_vulpes	carbonate my foes	[19:13]
thestringpuller	carbonate ben_vulpes enemies into a nice ginger ale	[19:18]
thestringpuller	enemies tears*	[19:18]
BingoBoingo	What about gingering ale? https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zUPbl80n6v8/TexCrpVpzfI/AAAAAAAAB7k/sQyj6BPhXRw/s1600/Ginger_Finger_for_Figging.jpg	[19:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QjBC9s )	[19:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73748 @ 0.00055854 = 41.1912 BTC [-] {2}	[19:24]
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ben_vulpes	drop enemies into centrifuge	[19:27]
ben_vulpes	reduce to liquid	[19:27]
ben_vulpes	pipe liquid into biodiesel reactor	[19:27]
ben_vulpes	burn for electricity	[19:27]
ben_vulpes	centrifuge next derp	[19:27]
ben_vulpes	repeat	[19:27]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: are you familiar with the infamous mouse table ?	[19:27]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#982994 << it	[19:28]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2015 05:00:20; asciilifeform: http://gizmodo.com/5146254/mousetrap-coffee-table-uses-its-victims-for-fuel	[19:28]
asciilifeform	^ afaik, the first carnivorous robot	[19:28]
ben_vulpes	aha	[19:29]
asciilifeform	if ben_vulpes just woke up, he's in for a mega-log	[19:32]
asciilifeform	or hm nm	[19:32]
thestringpuller	it's like 9am hippie-ville time	[19:32]
danielpbarron	oh hey my reddit comments got approved! waddayaknow	[19:33]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i'm just going to skip over all the rutalk	[19:34]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: not missing much	[19:34]
ben_vulpes	also, did symbolics make an awesome spreadsheet editor?	[19:34]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: why would you need a spreadshit on a box where you can dynamically conjure a porthole into $arbitrarydatum onto the display ?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	because.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand women, alfie.	[19:37]
asciilifeform	waiwut?!	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	you expect excel spread sheets are a UTILITY ?	[19:38]
asciilifeform	aha?	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	they are a security.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	and if used as 'boss screen', can make one wherever?	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	they exist to assuage existential anxiety as experienced by females.	[19:38]
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asciilifeform	is this still called 'boss screen' or am i behind the times.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	nothing to do with that.	[19:39]
asciilifeform	then i have nfi?	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	it's not fear. it's anxiety.	[19:39]
asciilifeform	what anxiety ? why females	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	anxiety is a subjective experience of loss of control. tends to be females because of accidents of their anatomy leave a mark in the early psyche.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	but boys can be taught to live in the same terms np, and plenty do.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	(george costanza's famous "Ear puberty, nose puberty, knuckle puberty. You gotta be vigilant!" is quite a fine example in that vein.	[19:42]
asciilifeform	even with this,	[19:43]
asciilifeform	more effective number diddler ought to give stronger illusion of control ?	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	not really, the control isn't over the interaction of numbers. the control is over the possibilities of existence.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	the more powerful the tool actually is, the more it exposes possibilities, necessarily. and perversely, the more threatening it is to the typical she-office drone.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	note the acceptance of computers in society as an exact mirror of the use of windows and apple. it's a thing.	[19:45]
asciilifeform	'visicalc' was a hyperbestseller before all of this, no ?	[19:45]
asciilifeform	~1mil copies iirc	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	what's 1mn ?	[19:46]
asciilifeform	just the ones ~paid for~	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	if you couldn't find a million not-outright-insane individuals the species would be in serious trouble huh ?	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	we're not discussing the top 1mn here.	[19:47]
asciilifeform	!s visicalc	[19:47]
assbot	0 results for 'visicalc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=visicalc	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	we're discussing the bottom five billion.	[19:47]
asciilifeform	y'know, the first electronic spread-shit	[19:47]
asciilifeform	http://bricklin.com/visicalc.htm << author's www	[19:48]
assbot	VisiCalc: Information from its creators, Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjEXFv )	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	at about the same time, most dudes with computer knowledge were trying to get their so/fuckdoll/cook to try computers, and dollars to donuts she said no because what if she breaks it, and he assured her she can't break it, being the idiot that he was, and that assurance didn't do anything.	[19:49]
thestringpuller	visicalc is the greatest thing ever tho	[19:49]
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asciilifeform	https://archive.org/details/a2_VisiCalc_1984_Software_Arts << runable (!)	[19:49]
assbot	VisiCalc : Software Arts : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjF1oR )	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	because of the unspoken "but what if IT breaks ME, you won't fix ME will you".	[19:49]
thestringpuller	proves 100% that excel is the biggest turd ever marketed	[19:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i confess that i haven't the faintest notion what is meant here	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	but ask a question! what error message is this!	[19:51]
asciilifeform	what kind of animal says 'what if it breaks me!'	[19:51]
asciilifeform	am i just not enough zoophiliac?!	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	~unspoken~	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	must read all the words!	[19:52]
asciilifeform	make that 'what kind of animal unspokenly moos...'	[19:52]
BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/pets/dog-gets-credit-for-stopping-sexual-assault-in-southeast-missouri/article_99c85664-c858-5d43-b4b1-effa3ebe5210.html	[19:53]
assbot	Dog gets credit for stopping sexual assault in southeast Missouri : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGdoIE )	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i imagine they'd also have a face you don't care for.	[19:53]
asciilifeform	was thinking this also.	[19:53]
asciilifeform	'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo'	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	and why not ?	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	gets slippery all the same.	[19:54]
asciilifeform	i haven't a good why. why won't mircea_popescu do short chicks ?	[19:54]
asciilifeform	goats ?	[19:54]
asciilifeform	chickens ?	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	i confess i actually did a chick that was short and otherwise built entirely like a 12 boy. well, minus the penis, but boobs as big as mine et al.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	so... don't laugh at the goat, you never know when you'll be riding one.	[19:55]
*	mircea_popescu is kinda half-expecting bb to marry 300lb worth of love.	[19:55]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	actually her boob is on trilema somewhere	[19:57]
*	BingoBoingo remembers that one from the logs, the annoying one with Candidiasis.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	wait wut ?!	[19:58]
asciilifeform	anyway my point was not to make fun of the predicament of zoophiliacs, but to confess that i am mostly ignorant of these	[19:58]
asciilifeform	i have nfi what it is really like to have a moo in the house, in the bed.	[19:58]
asciilifeform	and how anyone lives with this.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform let me ask you this, would you prefer a bricked phone to a phone that randomly starts beeping and running interference with your display ?	[19:59]
asciilifeform	i imagine this is how castration cults are born.	[19:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: brick.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	so there's your explanation.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	"at least the stupid one shuts up."\|	[19:59]
asciilifeform	does it ?!	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	yeah. stupid people are never given enough credit. they're broadly speaking pliable, reliable and altogether pleasant.	[20:00]
asciilifeform	in my experience, stupid more or less == 'won't shut up without physical gag'	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	it's mediocre people that have been miseducated that are unbearable.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	nfwis.	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	wait wut ?! << The SSBBW who did the pay for tits thing on Trilema and kept popping up in channel for a while trying to peddle more pictures of fold mold.	[20:00]
shinohai	LOL	[20:01]
shinohai	I missed that, a fattie on trilema?	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	da fuck ?!	[20:01]
asciilifeform	l0lwut	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#comment-113390	[20:02]
assbot	I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGefZN )	[20:02]
shinohai	I have seen 3 whale dominatrices on reddit that accept Bitcoin.	[20:03]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: You mean dominmayos	[20:03]
shinohai	:D	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	lol i completely forgot that.	[20:03]
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shinohai	pete_dushenski, just the gentleman I wished to see ...	[20:05]
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pete_dushenski	o ?	[20:06]
shinohai	was wondering what height your node was at ...	[20:06]
shinohai	and if you were still experiencing any disconnects?	[20:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: A severe anti-optimization of drunkeness is where one doesn't get to pick the parts they remeber.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	lol i bet.	[20:09]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: strangely, almost unprecedentedly, the 99996_2 node is running very smoothly atm. it's at 334k. the difference ? only -connect to a single node instead of 3-5.	[20:09]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407477 << how can i be of service ?	[20:10]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 21:28:51; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski seriously you gotta get on this MiniTruth business	[20:10]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: wait which one was she on the update list?	[20:10]
thestringpuller	none of those girls look like fat people	[20:10]
shinohai	Mine barfed earlier but has been running fine abt 3 hrs. 316516 height	[20:10]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407467 << http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh ?	[20:11]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 21:26:21; asciilifeform: anybody got a link to mod6's guide handy ?	[20:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1XqjVEO )	[20:11]
trinque	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407666 << ehehehe	[20:12]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2016 22:49:54; asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo'	[20:12]
thestringpuller	would you like some more gnu?	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	i guess guide != script eh	[20:12]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081554	[20:13]
assbot	Logged on 31-03-2015 22:56:16; SquirtPrincess: http://imgur.com/MwtIflI	[20:13]
pete_dushenski	iz gone	[20:14]
trinque	link's even staler than before	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	http://archive.is/8b5hM << qntra on top of buttcoin. lulz in itself!	[20:14]
assbot	Buttcoin: backed by gold, comedy gold! ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjH4sW )	[20:14]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: You know... whatever you planned to do	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	congrats to all the shills.	[20:14]
thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: I think it was deleted	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Happens rather frequently compared to /r/bitcoin	[20:15]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: my host also just sent me an email apologising for their recent performance and offering next month free as compensation, so i wouldn't be surprised if that was causing the auto-deaths at least.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo which is the free speech one ?	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Your eyes should be thankful	[20:15]
thestringpuller	LOL	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: /r/btc	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	the /r/BTC is roger VERified	[20:15]
thestringpuller	all who do not accept bitcoin jesus as their cryptolord and savior are ostracized	[20:16]
shinohai	The top two comments on r/btc are tweets from A.A. Is this Russia Today now?	[20:17]
BingoBoingo	Yes	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: i planned things now ? hm. best re-read those logs. particularly http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-09-2015#1288874	[20:18]
assbot	Logged on 30-09-2015 19:36:25; pete_dushenski: ima mull it over and research a little further into this 'pr' business	[20:18]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Well, your adoring pubic is waiting for a decision Lebron.	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	needless to say, i've been poking at it. still not 100% convinced.	[20:19]
pete_dushenski	don't make me have a prime time tv press conpherence	[20:19]
BingoBoingo	Maybe start some dry test runs? Force a meme or something?	[20:20]
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pete_dushenski	i'd consider those letters i wrote to peck and lee as 'dry test runs' but mebbe not enough forced meme!	[20:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48052 @ 0.00055889 = 26.8558 BTC [+]	[20:27]
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pete_dushenski	from the mines, "The [core] reference client isn't reallly intended to be used as a wallet. It's more for nodes and miners. Use hardware wallets, or electrum, or basically anything other than core for a wallet. If you're running core, just think of it as a node your more secure wallet connects to."	[20:30]
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mircea_popescu	that made absolutely no fucking sense.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	"my router isn't secure - just think of it as a shitty computer your more secure windows nt workstations connect to".	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	wtf do these people eat, stupid pills ?	[20:41]
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mircea_popescu	shinohai> The top two comments on r/btc are tweets from A.A. Is this Russia Today now? << alcoholics anonymous ?	[20:41]
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thestringpuller	dre. derpopulus	[20:42]
thestringpuller	Dr. Derp.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	oh that schmuck ios still around ?!	[20:42]
thestringpuller	Yea I think he's working on a rap album or something now?	[20:42]
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thestringpuller	antpool jacks all hashpower for classiccoin blocks	[20:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: We spell it AA without the periods	[20:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00055632 = 30.0413 BTC [-] {4}	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	aok	[21:00]
shinohai	poor mats, he is using irccloud	[21:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42370 @ 0.0005638 = 23.8882 BTC [+] {3}	[21:03]
shinohai	!rate BingoBoingo 2 Thank you for help with first Qntra submission.	[21:03]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3af44ca879c391a5	[21:03]
shinohai	!v assbot:shinohai.rate.BingoBoingo.2:224302a371012a7e132efb7105dc1ccb57a0e4c9a250ee792ac66b5243bdf4a8	[21:05]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 1 to 2 with note: Thank you for help with first Qntra submission.	[21:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92750 @ 0.00056829 = 52.7089 BTC [+] {3}	[21:06]
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mod6	werd up	[21:13]
shinohai	how goes it	[21:15]
mod6	whew busy.	[21:16]
mod6	gonna grind on this stuff tonight	[21:16]
mod6	you?	[21:16]
ben_vulpes	i have been poking holes in poor mod6's v implementation for days now	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	dun stress him out now, ye hear ?	[21:17]
mod6	he's doing good work.	[21:17]
mod6	just trying to get everything back into sync	[21:17]
ben_vulpes	to be fair quite a few looked to be my fault for using old vdiff versions and other inane pebkacs	[21:17]
BingoBoingo	alf submission update: "reject: low quality" https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4635y5/glibc_remote_exploit_affects_all_bitcoin_clients/	[21:17]
assbot	GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients - except for one. : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrIj1X )	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	loller.	[21:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00056481 = 30.4433 BTC [-] {2}	[21:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 38450 @ 0.0004795 = 18.4368 BTC [+] {2}	[21:35]
asciilifeform	the hn post appears to have been zapped entirely.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	mega-unsurprise.	[21:37]
asciilifeform	gotta love the old sack of shit, never disappoints.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	LOW QUALITY!	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: hn is lost because ninjashogun is their "spam filter"	[21:40]
asciilifeform	waiwut	[21:41]
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mircea_popescu	hahaha what	[21:41]
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asciilifeform	!up so	[21:41]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You forgot?	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	ninjashogun is the hn forum janitor	[21:44]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i never saw any reason to believe anything from the mouth of mr spam	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: His being mr spam is why he was cheap hire for that	[21:45]
hanbot	i thought he was the hn forum jester. they gave him a bucket?	[21:45]
BingoBoingo	I thought they did	[21:45]
BingoBoingo	They needn't even pay him money, but proximity to his church Altman	[21:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19887 @ 0.00056351 = 11.2065 BTC [-]	[21:49]
hanbot	i'm sure he's paid in "ideas", as much as i'm sure they'd fail just as hard without him driving a mop	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	They prolly just give him the chance to be heard by various incarnations of Eliza	[21:53]
*	mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	so... win-win, as they say in loserland.	[21:54]
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BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/Y3YdnVu.jpg	[22:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TmY8xa )	[22:01]
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BingoBoingo	In other news the latest spammers to buy /. actually ask the users what they want http://slashdot.org/poll/2973	[22:08]
assbot	Slashdot Poll \| Regarding videos on Slashdot, should we: ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqyhnA )	[22:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46513 @ 0.00055669 = 25.8933 BTC [-]	[22:08]
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BingoBoingo	!up itkin	[22:09]
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BingoBoingo	!up joshbuddy	[22:09]
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mircea_popescu	http://49.media.tumblr.com/852f722c238d3065f474c5815f3e5c1c/tumblr_niycb0wlKg1qlne6uo1_400.gif << in other-other news, well trained girls exist.	[22:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1WqyqYb )	[22:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/brown-0070.pdf << for possible reprocessing into loltronium ?	[22:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1WqytTC )	[22:11]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Will have to wait 2+ hours. Have to go to cult meeting.	[22:13]
BingoBoingo	But will look	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131400 @ 0.00055978 = 73.5551 BTC [+] {2}	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24095 @ 0.00055978 = 13.4879 BTC [+] {2}	[22:27]
asciilifeform	mega-blackhole-action today, incidentally.	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform qntra stayed online, note.	[22:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31327 @ 0.00056412 = 17.6722 BTC [+] {3}	[22:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i suppose i underestimated the power of the magical nobody-giving-half-a-fuck field	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	oh, that's what it is.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	for the lack of other hypothesis ?	[22:51]
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shinohai	!s http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/judge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701	[22:52]
assbot	Judge Forces Apple to Help Unlock San Bernardino Shooter iPhone - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkwNq8 )	[22:52]
assbot	0 results for 'http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/judge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fstoryline%2Fsan-bernardino-shooting%2Fjudge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701	[22:52]
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mircea_popescu	!up eamonnw	[22:59]
-assbot-	You voiced eamonnw for 30 minutes.	[22:59]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the other hypothesis is that republican servers > nsa powers.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	and in more of the same news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/accfa02eea100e7bade52a5e8a944564/tumblr_niwamsdgFX1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[23:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Qkxwrn )	[23:01]
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shinohai	!rate danielpbarron 2 Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~	[23:12]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/07321b80b5df9fd1	[23:12]
shinohai	!v assbot:shinohai.rate.danielpbarron.2:ff63c3e961a9d1a3201f60e625a4ffc7ed3ed811136a77d2a9ee7d9ba7805cb4	[23:12]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~	[23:12]
shinohai	^ did not want to scan	[23:13]
asciilifeform	sooooo	[23:15]
asciilifeform	i spent a good spell watching tcpdump with eyeballs	[23:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68686 @ 0.00056886 = 39.0727 BTC [+] {3}	[23:15]
asciilifeform	tcpdump -nnXSs 0 port 8333	[23:16]
asciilifeform	on zoolag, to be specific	[23:16]
asciilifeform	which has been in a black hole state, about 90% of the time, for the past hour.	[23:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66114 @ 0.00056956 = 37.6559 BTC [+]	[23:16]
asciilifeform	curiously enough, it turns out that,	[23:17]
asciilifeform	a blackholed trb does not fall silent, but actually is maintaining links with a number of existing peers (bouncing inv's, etc)	[23:18]
asciilifeform	just, not accepting new connections, nor processing tx.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:18]
phf	re shinohai's raiting, come to think of it future tmsr~ weedings ought to be officiated by danielpbarron	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	o boy. does tmsr recognize marriage with goat ? woman ? no less than 3 ? what ?	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	there's no v-marriage is there ?	[23:19]
phf	topic needs a debate thread	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	preferably on hackereddit.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	or wait what was that myspace called... twitterbook ?	[23:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: since we're doing ru theme today, then, pertinently, 'Взял невесту тиху-скромну В чистом поле под кустом, Остра шашка была свашкой,— Штык булатный был дружком.'	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	is this a continuation of the "honey, for a bitcoin i make the holes" ?	[23:21]
asciilifeform	('i took a bride, quiet and modest, in the field, under a bush, sharp saber was my matchmaker, bayonet - my best man')	[23:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD_(%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8F) << src	[23:22]
assbot	Чёрный ворон (песня) — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkzwjB )	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	(for n00bz, old s0ng, of a soldier to a raven who is picking at his still-living flesh)	[23:22]
danielpbarron	i'd imagine you could have a marraige contract signed between husband and father	[23:23]
danielpbarron	wife doesn't need a key	[23:23]
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mircea_popescu	as per alf's earlier pronouncements, who'd want a wife like that ?	[23:23]
asciilifeform	keyless wife is liable to get switcheroo'd, also	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	i dun think i could be bothered to plow an unkeyed field tbh.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	let the ravens do it.	[23:24]
danielpbarron	well i've given this some thought, and i just don't see the point of the wife signing anything about it as she should now act as one flesh with her new husband; if she needs something notarized, let him do it for her	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	why not let her do it for him ?	[23:25]
danielpbarron	that too	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	its a slippery problem.	[23:25]
danielpbarron	but the point is they are as one key, one flesh	[23:25]
danielpbarron	it's like the penny auction collsion problem	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	in the old days, woman wouldn't generally appear too trustworthy before she had fucked most everyone. but it's a truly complex point to communicate.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: unless you are a telepath, you might want to remotely operate the wife and need key	[23:26]
mod6	how do i know who im talking to	[23:26]
asciilifeform	^	[23:26]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: how do you issue an order, or take a dispatch, from a keyless animal ?	[23:26]
danielpbarron	well you could have an unpublished key to use for that purpose	[23:26]
danielpbarron	but that's not the same as an assbot registered key	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	what is this "unpublished key" ?	[23:26]
asciilifeform	^	[23:26]
asciilifeform	srsly	[23:27]
danielpbarron	a key that only you and her know	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	P stands for protocol, not for promise.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: and after you wed the bayonet on the field ?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron since that'd have to be single use, you're better off with otp	[23:27]
asciilifeform	how does wife relay ?	[23:27]
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danielpbarron	so use otp then	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	but otp can't sign.	[23:27]
danielpbarron	why does everything need to be a cow or how does it go?	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	how do you communicate the concept of "her ladyship died this morn" if she has no key ?	[23:28]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: but that is precisely the picture you have drawn: keyless cow.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	yes, one can marry cow.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	but this has distinct down-sides.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	can one ?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	i'm not entirely sure i'd recognize cow marriage. heck, im doubtful about same gender marriage.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	in a strictly psychiatric sense.	[23:29]
danielpbarron	wives are not that much unlike cattle are they?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	i thought phf was trolling us with tmsr sense.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	the way people 'marry' bricks, forks, the color purple.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron depends on the wife.	[23:29]
danielpbarron	aren't you the one that said there should be a market for wives or something?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	computers aren't much unlike shoe boxes, either.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	but this is not something anyone relishes.	[23:30]
*	phf cackles	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron plox to link me!	[23:30]
mod6	part of this goes back to, "that sovereigns and sovereigns alone are entitled to anything they may take for themselves," ; as a sovereign you make take the brides you wish, but if you want to make it a deed, signatories must be in the wot.	[23:30]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-14.log.html#t03:51:36	[23:31]
assbot	#Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-02-14 ... ( http://bit.ly/1U6Pjbu )	[23:31]
danielpbarron	>> but the trade in mates is intended to be a major economic factor.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	that's in eulora!	[23:31]
danielpbarron	so?	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	well it's a game, set in a fantasy medieval-ish setting!	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	it has the power of prayer, magic and all sorts of bizarre.	[23:31]
danielpbarron	it's the most realistic game i ever played	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	this it may well be.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	this aside, the trade in mates has been historically and will permanently remain a major economic factor. as unwilling to admit people may find themselves. nevertheless, it's rarely an actual market.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	(trade does not need a market to happen, note)	[23:33]
danielpbarron	true i wouldn't call it any sort of market	[23:33]
danielpbarron	or it's more of a decentralized trade	[23:33]
danielpbarron	prospective husband goes to father of prospective wife	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	more of a doublespoken one, too. hence veblen goods and the trillion a year cosmetics industry.	[23:34]
danielpbarron	or guy finds young girl in field, takes her, father insists they now marry	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	it's not entirely clear father has much say.	[23:34]
danielpbarron	king has say	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	mmm.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	how do kings work in a republic ?	[23:35]
danielpbarron	they get killed	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	you seriously proposing someone should get killed because dude stumbled over nude girlie ?	[23:36]
danielpbarron	wait who should be killed in that situation?	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	a little death. let's not exaggerate.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i'm trying to follow what you';re saying here.	[23:37]
danielpbarron	i meant in a republic the king gets killed	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	well then he can't have much say can he ?	[23:38]
mod6	for instance, what if the king of jordan wanted to be in TMSR? why wouldn't autocrats be able to be in the wot?	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	mod6 i don't see why he couldn't be.	[23:38]
mod6	just because 'king' doesn't mean they still can't get neg rating	[23:38]
mod6	so, no problem.	[23:38]
danielpbarron	i guess i was imagining the reverse, a republic under a king	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	well, it does mean they can afford to pay if they fuck something up, so neg rating kinda less likely.	[23:38]
mod6	but still, individuals may come, and try, there's a fresh crop every year.	[23:39]
mod6	further, some make it, most don't.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	speaking of the king of jordan and his mercedes, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[23:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QkBeS1 )	[23:40]
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mod6	and also in other news... I'm going to publish a one line change to add a bit more strictness (less fuzz) to the map building part of V -- was basically overlooked on the last beta patch (#3). So this one will be #4, and barring any further big issues, this should be it.	[23:43]
mod6	Should be ready for a new V release by the weekend.	[23:44]
mod6	This will allow for us to get everything back into sync; new V, new build script, new instructions in the wiki.	[23:45]
mod6	Then I can finally turn my attention to what I said I was going to do this month: the makefiles.	[23:46]
mod6	:]	[23:46]
phf	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403569 << http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions	[23:46]
assbot	Logged on 12-02-2016 14:13:21; polarbeard: works like a charm, here is a patch for removing some unused functions if somebody is interested: https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/sigs/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch.polarbeard.sig	[23:46]
assbot	polarbeard_rm_unused_functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1U6QcAU )	[23:46]
phf	(my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)	[23:48]
mod6	Since it's getting brought up... TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS: Thank you for your hard work and submissions. Please hang on to your vpatches, or send them to the BTC-Dev mailing list and we'll get to them post release for review & regrind if accepted.	[23:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00056016 = 14.172 BTC [-] {2}	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	pretty cooo mod6	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	but gotta give a 2nd tree some thought for ppl to do experimental work on.	[23:50]
mod6	oh yes. at first thought, this seems like a much needed thing.	[23:51]
phf	maybe press a new genesis with skull&crossbones in comments of header of every file. patch file contents will be identical, but hashes all different	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[23:52]
mod6	i even had a thought, and im not even sure its feasible technically or just logically, but; we could perhaps create a wrapper for gnu patch where we strip out lines that are surrounded with "%%" or something similar to how it does with "@@", this would ultimately be needed in vtron as well to avoid issues. But the thought is, then we could put comments directly in the vpatch (surrounded by '%%') and	[23:55]
mod6	then if V sees one of these comments with "%% EXPERIMENTAL %%" then it builds a seperate flow	[23:55]
mod6	heck, i dunno, i gotta sit and think on it for a while.	[23:55]
mod6	that maybe a horrible idea. lol.	[23:56]
mod6	anyway, i'll think about how to make this a thing.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	why not use the current comment symbol ?	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	b ut no, you do not wish to introduce state.	[23:56]
mod6	yah, see. not well thought out mod6.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	different genesis makes different tree, it's all there.	[23:57]
mod6	ima think about it though, probably try some different things.	[23:57]
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