Forum logs for 15 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform does pywallet actually work with trb ? [00:15]
asciilifeform for anybody ? [00:15]
asciilifeform i get 'ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main.' [00:16]
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trinque asciilifeform: funkenstein's patches applied to bitcoind patched with the 99996 script for me [00:39]
trinque I saw the same error with pywallet [00:39]
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asciilifeform to pick up a thread from yesterday, re: rf shields that pass light, [00:58]
asciilifeform in my collection of junk there is an apple wireless keyboard thing [00:59]
asciilifeform it has a power led that shines through the aluminum chassis [00:59]
asciilifeform (the latter has microscopic holes lasered in it, in a circle pattern approx. the size of a printed period) [00:59]
asciilifeform this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield. [01:00]
asciilifeform (would have to laser a few million holes) [01:00]
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mod6 asciilifeform: yeah, that pywallet thing is hairy, but i did eventually get it to work [01:12]
mod6 i'll log my usage next time i use it. [01:12]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - [01:21]
asciilifeform aaaah finally. [01:21]
mod6 i think i had to do a -rescan too [01:24]
kakobrekla the easiest is to pull wallet from backup :) [01:24]
asciilifeform funnily enough, the malleators got to it first. [01:29]
asciilifeform interestingly, immediately while i sent the double. [01:29]
asciilifeform (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) [01:29]
ben_vulpes polarbeard: i *will* however read through several hundred lines of deletion [01:55]
ben_vulpes before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused? [01:55]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What else have you “come to expect” from your stock exchange? - [02:49]
ben_vulpes front running, primarily [02:54]
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assbot The siege of Herbalife - Fortune ... ( ) [06:27]
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thestringpuller !v assbot:thestringpuller.rate.Pierre_Rochard.-1:2cb629256734cb1067a0a8ccdb658802966d720c6bde348f040848156d25442c [07:16]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for Pierre_Rochard from 2 to -1 with note: "Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition." - Wants to be vocal, and hide in the shadows. [07:16]
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davout jurov: X.EUR MM bot is back. [07:26]
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adlai punkman: good link. now when is ackman shorting b[,tmsr~]? [07:59]
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assbot Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 7 to 10 with note: I have received more coin from Mircea than I have sent him (indirectly, respectively, directly - respectfully) [08:28]
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adlai << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious [08:33]
assbot Logged on 12-02-2016 17:35:04; asciilifeform: but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not [08:33]
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adlai << "So I believe that even my master, when he spoke of the simple, was using a rather simple concept." [08:38]
assbot Logged on 12-02-2016 17:44:17; trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way. [08:38]
assbot The Name of the Rose(142) by Umberto Eco, William - Free Best Novels ... ( ) [08:38]
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jurov davout ty! [08:45]
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asciilifeform >> << l0l, 2x eizo 'colouredge' !111 [10:20]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 09:23:41; punkman: [10:20]
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asciilifeform (can anybody identify the kbd ?) [10:20]
asciilifeform platinum toilets ftw! [10:20]
mircea_popescu it's so bizarre that the usg doesn't embrace herbalife. yes all the arguments against it are solid, but they cut just as much against say, apple. google. [10:21]
mircea_popescu they're all herbalifes. [10:21]
asciilifeform (they are not true iridium toilets because i can identify them visually) [10:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where's the consumer direct-sale chumpatron in, e.g., apple ? [10:21]
asciilifeform last i checked, they didn't offer 'get ipnohe for selling five' [10:22]
mircea_popescu doh ? [10:22]
mircea_popescu "get to be an iphone's worth of cool by telling all your friends" ? [10:22]
asciilifeform then mercedes is also pyramid ? [10:22]
mircea_popescu if apple isn't direct-marketed then what is ? and what's an apple fan ? [10:22]
mircea_popescu notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one [10:22]
mircea_popescu not by pete telling them to buy one. [10:23]
mircea_popescu heck, who knows, maybe ackerman's mping all over "classic" finance, started with the easier to lance boil. [10:25]
asciilifeform by this notion all consumer crud is 'direct market' [10:25]
asciilifeform but the traditional definition remains, does chump take money from chump. [10:26]
mircea_popescu i think that definition was never stated as such. [10:26]
mircea_popescu does chump BENEFIT from chump. yes, he does. [10:26]
asciilifeform if chump sends the new chump on his merry way to the crapple store, we have a scam, sure, but how is it 'mlm' ? [10:26]
mircea_popescu and by this definition all consumer crud IS IN FACT consumer crud. which yes. it is. [10:26]
mircea_popescu i would sya it is. [10:26]
asciilifeform where are the hierarchical levels then ? [10:27]
mircea_popescu ... [10:27]
mircea_popescu they worship steve, don't they ? why ? [10:27]
mircea_popescu becauyse of the frustrated mlm need. [10:27]
asciilifeform (i.e. what would be an advanced crapple pusher, vs rank-and-file) [10:27]
mircea_popescu just because they're not lame as fguck about it, going telloing kids what the levels "should be" doesn't mean they don't exist. [10:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00056101 = 36.634 BTC [-] [10:27]
mircea_popescu you realise crapple only hires salespeople from the fanbase yes ? [10:28]
asciilifeform can mircea_popescu give example of the levels ? [10:28]
mircea_popescu steve ; everyone else is already levels. [10:28]
asciilifeform the crapple salesmen are wage labourers [10:28]
asciilifeform afaik they get no commission. [10:29]
mircea_popescu not fully. [10:29]
mircea_popescu they get less than they'd ask for to deliver the same work, if they weren't in the apple ml. [10:29]
mircea_popescu mlm* [10:29]
asciilifeform any public evidence that they are paid below market rate for other clerks ? [10:30]
asciilifeform by how much ? [10:30]
mircea_popescu they're not making comission, right ? fifth avenue equiv poshness job working chicks ARE. [10:31]
mircea_popescu and they also have to be this tall and this booby and this slutty [10:31]
mircea_popescu and just like the apple shitheads, they have to spend this % of their income on storep roducts [10:31]
asciilifeform folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? [10:31]
mircea_popescu where 200 < this < 1500 or so [10:31]
mircea_popescu yep. [10:32]
mircea_popescu fuck more hotties, wouldja! [10:32]
asciilifeform l0l [10:32]
asciilifeform wake me up when they start making ones with faces. [10:32]
* asciilifeform bbl [10:32]
mircea_popescu typical airhead 5foot11 blondi that doesn't college and doesn't straight callgirl moves to pretentious store to sell perfume and designer clothes on comission. [10:33]
mircea_popescu and buys "worth" about 5x what she earns [10:33]
mircea_popescu and is taken on "training" to various hotels where she is expected to fuck the "senior management" and she gladly complies. because hey. [10:33]
BingoBoingo folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? << I fucking made commision selling watch batteries in the mall. [10:51]
BingoBoingo Same for people a few stalls down selling phones, calendars, etc [10:52]
mircea_popescu the attempt to waitress-ify all consumer facing jobs is long in the tooth. [10:52]
BingoBoingo << Marshall Long style Eatbeast scammzor [10:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: To be fair this was 07-08 and base pay was above minimum wage. No idea if it still would be [10:55]
mircea_popescu no idea if minimum wage would still be meaningful, either. [10:56]
BingoBoingo But this was also back when floor space for the kiosk was $5000/month no idea where that has gone, but likely down. [10:57]
mircea_popescu prolly. [10:58]
BingoBoingo In other news [11:00]
assbot 100 Best-Selling, Most Prescribed Branded Drugs Through March ... ( ) [11:00]
BingoBoingo A lot of insulins on that list [11:01]
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shinohai Buenas uey [11:22]
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mircea_popescu << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. [17:02]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield. [17:02]
mircea_popescu and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like. [17:02]
asciilifeform and altschuller tells us how to 'cheat in wolf form' and make this without any lasering. [17:03]
asciilifeform (he wrote this before laser was available to su industry at all) [17:03]
mircea_popescu aha. [17:03]
asciilifeform (answer: cast metal into mold containing fibers, which disintegrate but not immediately. instant holes.) [17:04]
mircea_popescu due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount. [17:04]
asciilifeform aha [17:04]
asciilifeform also one can make a 'poorfag' version using pcb vias [17:05]
asciilifeform (solid copper - heavy-gauge pcb; many vias; mount surface mount led opposite side; attach pcb-mounted shield to led side) [17:06]
asciilifeform for extra points, have two or more layers of this, ~where the holes don't line up~. how does the light pass? sheet of glass between! partial internal reflection. [17:09]
mircea_popescu i almost wouldn't even need my "run gamma at 40%" thing [17:10]
asciilifeform essentially one is making 'notch filter at terahertz' metamaterial. [17:10]
asciilifeform as in, pass light but not 'radio' [17:10]
mircea_popescu moreover, given the technology of making cds [17:11]
mircea_popescu one should probably just make a cd based filter [17:11]
asciilifeform as in pressed hologram ? [17:12]
asciilifeform would work, but a bit thin [17:13]
asciilifeform would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., [17:15]
assbot EMI/RFI Shielded Glass 9600 serie | Excellent EMI/RFI shielding performance ... ( ) [17:15]
asciilifeform or hm, is this still the mesh foil. [17:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there., [17:16]
asciilifeform waiwut [17:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00056232 = 55.2761 BTC [-] [17:17]
asciilifeform << claims to sell the real thing, indium glass [17:18]
assbot ITO coated glass | ITO-coating on glass substrates | CTO ... ( ) [17:18]
asciilifeform ... key ? [17:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, "this shield is passible to X frequency" [17:18]
mircea_popescu check it out jurov ! indium glass! [17:18]
* mircea_popescu does a little dance of being a rightful asshole. [17:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: realize that this would be a greater marvel than washington building a magical ray to give us both ballsack cancer [17:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you are staring at indium glass right now [17:19]
asciilifeform it is how your lcd conducts... [17:19]
mircea_popescu nevermind! [17:19]
asciilifeform l0l [17:19]
mircea_popescu ikr ? [17:20]
asciilifeform quite. [17:20]
* asciilifeform pictures some usg pit developing a grease, of snot-like consistency, to fluoresce in rf, to slather on victim's lcd while he sleeps [17:23]
asciilifeform ... or paint wall of hotel with [17:23]
asciilifeform or the like. [17:23]
asciilifeform laugh, but with 'oled' display, 'optical tempest' can come back [17:24]
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asciilifeform e.g., if thing has any pattern in the redraw, not necessarily crt-like raster [17:24]
mircea_popescu "Scalia was found with a pillow over his head wearing unwrinkled pajamas (archived). " o.O [17:25]
BingoBoingo Came out today, turned the thing into news [17:26]
asciilifeform vintage mega-lulz re: herr scalia, , [17:26]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play [17:26]
assbot Logged on 20-11-2015 01:55:31; asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia [17:26]
BingoBoingo Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub [17:26]
mircea_popescu guy was pretty old... [17:27]
mircea_popescu what was he, 70something ? [17:27]
BingoBoingo Only 75 [17:27]
BingoBoingo Young for a Justice of the Surpreme COurt [17:28]
BingoBoingo 30 years on the bench and he was still one of the younger ones [17:28]
BingoBoingo But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit. [17:30]
mircea_popescu curious who obama appoints now. [17:30]
BingoBoingo No one's talking Preet yet [17:31]
mircea_popescu i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap. [17:31]
BingoBoingo Yeah [17:34]
BingoBoingo Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment [17:35]
mircea_popescu old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto. [17:35]
mircea_popescu seems unavoidable for the us. [17:35]
BingoBoingo Yeah [17:36]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: can hardly wait, preet as chief-justice, already salivating [17:37]
asciilifeform perhaps a 50% opendefecation rate is achievable before next election! [17:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General [17:38]
mircea_popescu bharara has no political future anymore than that guy deleted out of stalin's picture did. [17:39]
mircea_popescu the political future belongs to the current 15 yo who grew up during bharara's days [17:40]
BingoBoingo But asciilifeform They are floating around the names of other loyal Indians [17:40]
mircea_popescu and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been [17:40]
jurov omg shielding lcd with metamaterial... [17:42]
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jurov what about proper lowpass filters for lcd signals... [17:43]
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asciilifeform at any rate, preet is not a playing character, but a reflection of lizard will. a freisler. [17:53]
jurov aw, tvtropeswent full bootstrap.. my eyes hurt [17:53]
asciilifeform jurov: i always found it interesting that you can't get display cable ~optic~ [17:53]
asciilifeform (afaik) [17:54]
asciilifeform even though it would be, in all likelihood, ~cheaper~ to make [17:54]
asciilifeform (no need for shield, for example) [17:54]
jurov why cheaper? [17:54]
jurov judging from optical usb extenders, it's not [17:54]
asciilifeform no copper [17:54]
asciilifeform jurov: because, again, the ~extender~ is an active circuit [17:55]
asciilifeform and made in quite low volume [17:55]
asciilifeform i am speaking of: why the everliving fuck is the gpu connected to the lcd with anything other than a single strand of fiber. [17:55]
mircea_popescu because fiber needs terminators and doesn't take well to damage. [17:56]
BingoBoingo [17:56]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: terminators !? [17:57]
asciilifeform nein [17:57]
asciilifeform you must be confusing it with copper coax [17:57]
asciilifeform and have you tried bending copper dvi cable ? [17:57]
asciilifeform 'takes well to damage' is not a thing [17:57]
mircea_popescu hm [17:57]
asciilifeform and no consumer ever repairs a cable, wtf [17:58]
jurov pediwikia says consumer optic cables have high attenuation and still fragile [17:59]
assbot TOSLINK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [17:59]
asciilifeform so high that three metres is too long ?! [17:59]
mircea_popescu optic cables are more fragile than anything found in derp house. [17:59]
asciilifeform soo? he bends, buys another. [18:00]
asciilifeform learns not to bend. [18:00]
asciilifeform just as chumpers learned not to drop ipnohe. [18:00]
BingoBoingo In my experience it is same people who drop pnohe that repeat that mistake indefinitely [18:01]
jurov also, to have gigabit 4K bandwidth, you need singlemode fiber. and that has much more expensive connectors [18:01]
jurov defon not consumer stuff [18:02]
mircea_popescu i don't think you understand this whole "Consumer" thing all too well. [18:02]
mircea_popescu learns ? what the fuck is wrong with you. [18:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'learns' in the circus sense. the lions that did not learn, went for bear food [18:02]
mircea_popescu heh [18:03]
asciilifeform (in what other sense do konsoomerz learn.) [18:03]
mircea_popescu in no sense. [18:03]
jurov i happen to prefer cables that are't sensitive to get pinched inadvertently [18:04]
asciilifeform so don't pinch! [18:04]
mircea_popescu i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable. [18:04]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, you CAN put a heavy item on it. [18:04]
mircea_popescu not so with optics. [18:04]
asciilifeform i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox [18:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform buy fiber, not like it's sold by permit. [18:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha but plug into what. [18:05]
asciilifeform where is the fiber gpu ? [18:05]
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asciilifeform fiber lcd ? [18:05]
jurov solder a photodoiode [18:05]
mircea_popescu terminators are like a coupla k's each [18:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and radiate like hell [18:05]
mircea_popescu ... [18:05]
asciilifeform because connected to pc with guess what! normal cable. [18:05]
mircea_popescu doh ? [18:05]
asciilifeform aha [18:05]
asciilifeform so wtf's the use [18:06]
mircea_popescu dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox [18:06]
mircea_popescu then tujrns out that's not what you wantg. [18:06]
asciilifeform (also they all have ludicrous res limit) [18:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it isn't 'doesn't radiate' if you need a terminator plugged with normal copper, that does [18:06]
jurov and do you have tempest computer case already? [18:06]
asciilifeform and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh [18:06]
asciilifeform jurov: this is not hard [18:07]
asciilifeform it is peripherals which are tricky [18:07]
asciilifeform hence the thread. [18:07]
mircea_popescu ima bow out of this convo. [18:07]
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asciilifeform a replacement controller pcb for ibm keyboard that does 'toslink' instead of ps/2, i would buy. [18:08]
asciilifeform would jurov ? [18:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ? [18:09]
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mircea_popescu notrly. [18:09]
jurov maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too [18:09]
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jurov best if both em and acoustically [18:09]
asciilifeform jurov: it is possible to make a trivial mod that obviates the need for shielding the scan matrix [18:09]
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asciilifeform the answer: [18:10]
asciilifeform include rng. [18:10]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [18:10]
asciilifeform presently there is a predictable row/column scan pattern [18:10]
asciilifeform which is why you can 'hear' a pc keyboard from 30+ metres. [18:10]
asciilifeform anyway iirc we had this thread some time before. [18:11]
jurov yes. but how would toslink help there [18:11]
mircea_popescu << this is actually quite an important point. [18:11]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to" [18:11]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this "get to" nonsense. [18:11]
jurov does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much? [18:11]
asciilifeform btw, further thread necromancy, << this is misguided, no one goes around with stereotypical 'black van' any longer, the gear is pocket-sized (knapsack at the most) [18:12]
assbot Logged on 08-02-2016 00:13:06; mircea_popescu: sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now. [18:12]
asciilifeform even nazis had 'gurtelpeiler' [18:12]
asciilifeform jurov yes [18:12]
mircea_popescu better make sure it fits in ass [18:13]
mircea_popescu cuz that's exactly where it's going. repeatedly. [18:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reminds me of 'file off that front sight' [18:13]
asciilifeform (traditional ru greeting to fella with bad aim) [18:13]
mircea_popescu aha. [18:13]
mircea_popescu the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity. [18:14]
asciilifeform anyway if the 'ant catalogue' (per snowden2) is to be believed, it ~does~ fit in arse... [18:14]
mircea_popescu from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me. [18:14]
shinohai !rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic. [18:14]
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asciilifeform l0l [18:15]
jurov replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic [18:15]
mircea_popescu jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh. [18:16]
asciilifeform jurov: you will find that good shielding is tricky, you get leakage over the supply rail [18:17]
BingoBoingo Nah, solid steel walls catch more spectrum [18:17]
mircea_popescu which incidentally is exactly how this problem is approached profesionally, insulate a room. [18:17]
asciilifeform and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance) [18:17]
BingoBoingo room inside a room [18:17]
jurov so supply it with battery [18:17]
asciilifeform jurov: before very long, fiber looks cheap [18:18]
jurov "looks" [18:18]
asciilifeform certainly compared to 'faraday room' [18:18]
mircea_popescu why is faraday room expensive ? aluminum siding, legitimate industree. [18:19]
mircea_popescu no mlm at all! [18:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i, like everybody else, know how to solve the problem expensively. [18:19]
asciilifeform i was discussing how it could be solved inexpensively. [18:19]
shinohai !rate mircea_popescu 2 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings. [18:19]
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jurov and optocouplers leak nothing? [18:19]
asciilifeform jurov: shielding a cm^2 thing is cheap? [18:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved. [18:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: being able to build anything whatsoever room-scale is a 'not for poorfag' thing [18:20]
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mircea_popescu much like say a social worker would be "oh, this solution doesn't provide work for enough social workers" [18:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no, it is 'this solution requires money' [18:20]
mircea_popescu mno. [18:21]
asciilifeform say i want machine that does not radiate, ~under the open sky~ [18:21]
asciilifeform because unlike mircea_popescu , i do not have a mobile aluminum dirigible cabin. [18:22]
mircea_popescu would you stop trying to support this insane lifestyle of "i need laptop" ? [18:23]
asciilifeform note, it is an entirely legit thing, to design for dirigible, for reactor. but i do not have these things. so i don't design for them. [18:23]
mircea_popescu it is not a way to live. [18:23]
mircea_popescu it already forces you to eat from the latrine. [18:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you even knew what other things i do that are 'no way to live' [18:23]
mircea_popescu you'll never have a good laptop. it is not possible. [18:23]
asciilifeform was possible in 1995 [18:24]
asciilifeform ergo still is. [18:24]
mircea_popescu you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there. [18:24]
mircea_popescu the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine. [18:24]
mircea_popescu but then you don't want to be a mouse. [18:24]
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jurov btw, your brain leaks, too [18:26]
asciilifeform jurov: go and pick it up. [18:27]
asciilifeform (pretty sure 'squid' still requires shaving heads, a mm or so max) [18:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm not a mircea_popescu , and i design and build out of materials that i can have , rather than what i would have if i were a mircea_popescu . [18:30]
mircea_popescu this is not properly called "designing". [18:30]
mircea_popescu "we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense. [18:30]
jurov if you can't design yourself, don't tell us it would be cheap [18:31]
mircea_popescu jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader". [18:31]
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mircea_popescu << notrealy. the other ingredient is never beating the kids. [18:41]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:03:19; asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ? [18:41]
mircea_popescu which is a peculiar weird of the us/canada. [18:41]
shinohai BingoBoingo: Shouldn't line read "cessation of continued heart beats" ? [18:42]
mircea_popescu << that's not it. some people have WHOM TO PROVE THEOREMS TO! [18:43]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them. [18:43]
mircea_popescu most people just scream into a void. [18:43]
adlai this is why markets are excellent... they're the dissertation committee that never goes home [18:44]
mircea_popescu or ever makes any sense. [18:45]
mircea_popescu ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble. [18:45]
adlai eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself [18:46]
adlai (change-class goban 'ouija) [18:47]
mircea_popescu "making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol [18:48]
asciilifeform l0l [18:50]
adlai on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly [18:50]
asciilifeform me ok i'll bite! [18:51]
asciilifeform to ~whom~ does perelman prove ? [18:51]
adlai if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them. [18:51]
adlai even without "understanding" it in any deterministic sense [18:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform which is why he doesn't. [18:51]
mircea_popescu he has no friends. [18:51]
mircea_popescu that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof" [18:52]
* adlai goes back to slinging conses, because he's "not good enough to sling dope" [18:52]
mircea_popescu i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove" [18:52]
mircea_popescu i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool. [18:52]
adlai [18:53]
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* asciilifeform grasps where mircea_popescu is going with this [18:54]
mircea_popescu ahaha check that out kakobrekla bitbet is nao famous. [18:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that my misfired 5b played a part in this [18:55]
mircea_popescu pretty lulzy. nicely done :) [18:55]
* mircea_popescu is tempted to bet himself now. [18:55]
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thestringpuller << "Consumers have come to expect" in the wild. [18:58]
thestringpuller "They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care." [18:58]
mircea_popescu nice epitaph for heroin addict. [18:58]
BingoBoingo shinohai: ty fxd [18:59]
mircea_popescu "he was a user, he never cared, which is the point." [18:59]
asciilifeform technical term is - 'luser' [18:59]
asciilifeform pronounced 'ell-user' [18:59]
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BingoBoingo nice epitaph for heroin addict. << Note the shared self destructiveness of the illnesses. To be a "user" is to plot a fatal course. [19:01]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: "In Internet slang, a luser (sometimes expanded to local user; also luzer or luzzer) is a painfully annoying, stupid, or irritating computer user." [19:02]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts. [19:03]
mircea_popescu << works regularly, yes. [19:05]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:15:15; asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?) [19:05]
mircea_popescu << yes, but the higher up on the scale, the higher the reasonableness of confidence either way while also closer to mats' hose. [19:06]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale. [19:06]
mircea_popescu <<< actually i'm persuaded ai's learning, if actually present, is in principle not translatable to "human terms" ie some readily fih heuristic. [19:08]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms [19:08]
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asciilifeform aha, dragonfly. [19:08]
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asciilifeform skinner did not have nn, he instead taught pigeon to fly a rocket bomb. and did not ask the pigion how he did it, also. [19:09]
mircea_popescu technically pigeon was nn [19:10]
adlai mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter [19:10]
mircea_popescu lol [19:11]
adlai (stockfish is ) [19:11]
asciilifeform wat's stockfish? [19:11]
assbot GitHub - official-stockfish/Stockfish: UCI chess engine ... ( ) [19:11]
asciilifeform hm [19:11]
adlai dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin. [19:12]
asciilifeform adlai: where do you find these folks. [19:14]
* adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year" [19:16]
asciilifeform and what's a bitcoin watering hole? [19:16]
adlai [19:16]
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adlai most relevant&explanatory nonsense pasted in its bathroom is which i didn't post myself but strongly identify with [19:17]
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mircea_popescu << you recall my discussion of magic and its advantages ? [19:27]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:36:26; asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't. [19:27]
mircea_popescu <<< ahjahaha what in the everloving ? [19:28]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?! [19:28]
mircea_popescu only root can read that anyway. [19:28]
deedbot- [Qntra] Pravda: Missing Batteries Led Billion Dollar Blimp Astray - [19:30]
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mircea_popescu << this is not actually true. [19:31]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 19:04:00; kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional. [19:31]
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mircea_popescu lol mp-complete. [19:33]
mircea_popescu nice work keeping it together kako :) [19:33]
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asciilifeform a problem is mp-complete if its solution requires being mircea_popescu ! [19:33]
mircea_popescu and in more of the same news, [19:33]
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asciilifeform it is mp-hard if it requires merely being phriendz with mircea_popescu ... [19:33]
mircea_popescu glasses! let's see if this makes alf say she has an expression! maybe he only digs intellectual chix [19:33]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ? [19:34]
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asciilifeform possibly. [19:35]
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asciilifeform i suppose i got it backwards [19:37]
asciilifeform mp-hard - requires being mp. [19:38]
mircea_popescu everyone gets it backwards when mp's hard! [19:39]
asciilifeform l0l! [19:39]
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mircea_popescu !up kefkius [19:41]
-assbot- You voiced kefkius for 30 minutes. [19:41]
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asciilifeform << related... [19:45]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( ) [19:45]
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jurov BingoBoingo: The Billion Dollar blimp which WAS the victim [19:51]
jurov now you have to send me one share :) [19:51]
BingoBoingo ty jurov [19:56]
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mircea_popescu lol [20:00]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what's on your list ? [20:09]
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shinohai The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo [20:14]
danielpbarron yeah i lolled [20:15]
mircea_popescu lol not bad [20:18]
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punkman << wouldn't you get nasty diffraction at micron level [20:28]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 19:58:02; mircea_popescu: << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. [20:28]
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asciilifeform punkman: more holes than pixels. [20:29]
asciilifeform think aperture grille on crt. [20:29]
mircea_popescu many many holes [20:29]
asciilifeform aha [20:29]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll take a picture once I get it sorted. Some things like SICP have yet to be acquired. [20:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you can read sicp for phree on www [20:31]
asciilifeform (not even pdfated!11) [20:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I saw, but I like to scribble. [20:32]
asciilifeform the films are also on www [20:32]
asciilifeform (yes there was a film series) [20:32]
BingoBoingo scribble, place postit notes, etc. [20:32]
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asciilifeform << them [20:32]
assbot Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Video Lectures ... ( ) [20:32]
BingoBoingo hard to do with www [20:32]
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asciilifeform interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd [20:33]
asciilifeform hence the adult audience visible in the foreground [20:33]
BingoBoingo Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized. [20:35]
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punkman more from "my code went to space"-experts [20:41]
assbot Mars Code: building robust software ... ( ) [20:41]
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asciilifeform nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe [20:43]
asciilifeform otherwise snore. [20:43]
BingoBoingo Let us not forget occasional catastrophe has only become more frequent as NSA has aged [20:44]
asciilifeform waiwut [20:44]
BingoBoingo Old NASA has Apollo 1 as its sole mega catastrophe (Apollo 13 counts instead as elegant save). New NASA lost two space shuttles. [20:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: phun phakt: the su 'manned moon' prototype rockets exploded - all 4 of'em - for no particularly good reason. [20:47]
asciilifeform largest rockets ever built. [20:47]
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asciilifeform (depending on how measured) [20:48]
BingoBoingo They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way. [20:48]
asciilifeform esp. if helped. [20:48]
BingoBoingo Even if that way is CIA mole [20:48]
asciilifeform recall also that these were primarily 'super' mirv rockets. [20:49]
asciilifeform as in, 1+ cone for every u.s. metropolis. [20:49]
ben_vulpes STAND BACK [20:50]
asciilifeform (or rather, prototypes thereof) [20:50]
ben_vulpes I'M CARBONATING WINE [20:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised. [20:52]
BingoBoingo 30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem. [20:54]
kakobrekla < i am not sure 2. is avoidable in the current state of affairs [20:59]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 23:39:11; asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe [20:59]
mircea_popescu has ben_vulpes discovered spritz ? [21:01]
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shinohai <<< "user is king" keks [21:03]
assbot Hi, I'm a User : Bitcoin ... ( ) [21:03]
adlai speaking of which, is superceded/obsoleted/completed by [21:05]
assbot 3 results for 'spritz from:adlai' - #bitcoin-assets search [21:05]
assbot GitHub - pasky/speedread: A simple terminal-based open source Spritz-alike (per-word RSVP aligned on optimal reading points) ... ( ) [21:05]
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mircea_popescu in other vaguely lulzy news : previous (socialist) argentine government "signed" a treaty with china, allowing them a fancy new "satellite" base in the far south, right next to the pole. [21:18]
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ben_vulpes well that was a miserable idea [21:19]
mircea_popescu the current "we will pay lizardhitler cronies" guy is going to try and renegotiate that thing to add a clause that the base is "not to be used militarily". as if it has any other fucking purpose than ready bombardment of us/canada. [21:19]
mircea_popescu none of this is, of course, ever to be reported in the pravda. [21:19]
mircea_popescu suffice it to be said that if you're looking for a place to live in case of open hostilities with china (not that there's any likelyhood of that), texas way better than chicago or new york. [21:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Where's your qntra submission on this subject? [21:21]
ben_vulpes best of best is to live in incuntsequential hipster holes [21:29]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: How do you know the hipster holes won't be cleansed for aesthetics? [21:29]
pete_dushenski sort of a lot of expense for the sake of aesthetics [21:31]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: How do you judge the cost of making a Deepwater port and fulfilling Teller's dream at the same time? You clease the coastal hipster holes. [21:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo meh, kinda low level lulz. [21:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: antarctic ?! [21:37]
mircea_popescu yeah [21:37]
asciilifeform texas?! [21:37]
asciilifeform explain? [21:38]
mircea_popescu i'd gladly explain if you used a verb in your questions like sane people. [21:38]
asciilifeform ah i get it, nm [21:38]
mircea_popescu the miracle of forcing verbs in verbiage! [21:38]
asciilifeform btw idea belongs to chelomey [21:39]
asciilifeform (contemporary of korolev) [21:39]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:39]
asciilifeform boil the 'great lakes' [21:40]
asciilifeform of course this was back when usa had factories there. [21:40]
asciilifeform i still don't get why cn would need antarctic base when it can shoot over north pole. [21:42]
asciilifeform like sane people. [21:43]
BingoBoingo In case Russia gets alarmed by CN launch [21:43]
asciilifeform l0l [21:44]
BingoBoingo The Russia/China Border not disputed. Better to launch over all the Americas where who the fuck in the flight path can complain? [21:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.0005603 = 31.9371 BTC [-] {2} [21:46]
asciilifeform anyway rockets are so 20th c [21:46]
asciilifeform proper nuke - orbits. [21:46]
asciilifeform and deorbits. [21:46]
BingoBoingo Eh, why not just weaponize a panamax or a suezmax a la best korea [21:46]
asciilifeform a fedex crate, aha. [21:47]
BingoBoingo Problem with orbit is keeping it, and problem with nuke is maintenance [21:48]
asciilifeform good for ~20 yr [21:49]
BingoBoingo And then you gotta get it down safely or peace has an expiration date [21:49]
asciilifeform also remember that orbit of comm sats is low because tx/rx [21:50]
asciilifeform nuke needs only receive. [21:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: do your know what graveyard orbit is? [21:51]
BingoBoingo recieve and avoid having its traditional explosives decay through radition exposure. [21:51]
BingoBoingo Not really? [21:51]
asciilifeform look it up [21:52]
BingoBoingo Ah, further up where it becomes still harder to collect for fuel later. [21:53]
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