Forum logs for 16 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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hanbot TheNewDeal take a walk in a park/forest/beach/etc. don't take your cigarettes. [00:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00048476 = 16.2637 BTC [+] [00:12]
danielpbarron deedbot- http://danielpbarron.com/tax-2015.asc.txt [00:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvnanU ) [00:13]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [00:13]
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mod6 thx danielpbarron [00:25]
nubbins` suggest a movie that isn't a piece of shit [00:28]
mod6 reservoir dogs ? [00:29]
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BingoBoingo but I think they've tried to slip me drugs to admit to crimes that haven't occurred << This was a big motivator in my decision to sobriety. Harder to CIA drug if not already intoxicated. [01:12]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal mirtazapine and weed is a hell of a combination [01:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41593 @ 0.00048746 = 20.2749 BTC [+] [01:44]
morenoh149 why tho [01:45]
danielpbarron ah, hello! [01:46]
morenoh149 !up chiral [01:47]
morenoh149 !up morenoh149 [01:47]
morenoh149 danielpbarron: just killing time [01:49]
morenoh149 found this channel mentioned on an old hackernews thread [01:49]
danielpbarron ah, which one was that ? [01:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7733 @ 0.00048746 = 3.7695 BTC [+] {2} [01:50]
morenoh149 somthing like `what are the best irc channels` [01:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368067 @ 0.00049086 = 180.6694 BTC [+] {6} [01:51]
danielpbarron what were some other ones mentioned? [01:52]
morenoh149 #cyberwizard [01:54]
morenoh149 ##javascript [01:54]
danielpbarron 8/ [01:54]
morenoh149 well it's not efnet or dalnet [01:55]
TheNewDeal morenoh a/s/l? [01:55]
morenoh149 it's gonna be programming related [01:55]
danielpbarron it sounds almost like a joke to include this channel and ##javascript in the same list of "best channels" -- and cyberwizard is a nice cherry on top [01:56]
morenoh149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8788532 [01:57]
assbot Good IRC channels | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lOjtDl ) [01:57]
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morenoh149 what is that? [02:07]
morenoh149 I have bitcoins. What do I do with them? [02:07]
trinque you can send them to me if you like. [02:07]
danielpbarron you can buy Eulora coppers with them [02:08]
morenoh149 anyone else in nyc? met a couple of ppl interested in finance and bitcoin this month [02:09]
ben_vulpes lol ##javascript [02:09]
danielpbarron i'm near nyc [02:09]
ben_vulpes you met people interested in finance, morenoh149? [02:09]
ben_vulpes in nyc of all places? [02:09]
morenoh149 yeah there was a bitcoin meetup over at solidX [02:10]
ben_vulpes solidX being? [02:10]
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morenoh149 a company [02:11]
ben_vulpes looks like a website from here [02:11]
ben_vulpes gallancy, since 2011 [02:12]
ben_vulpes daniel h gallancy, i mean to say [02:12]
ben_vulpes dimitri nemirovsky, since 2013 [02:12]
ben_vulpes ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012 [02:13]
ben_vulpes bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage. [02:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00048577 = 76.023 BTC [-] [02:13]
ben_vulpes bob mcelrath contributed to numerous open source projects in the bitcoin space, including Bitcoin Core. [02:14]
ben_vulpes and not a single one of them have i ever heard of. [02:14]
ben_vulpes and who are you morenoh149? [02:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00049181 = 28.402 BTC [+] {3} [02:17]
morenoh149 I write javascript mostly. I own a little bitcoin I bought off some asian guy [02:19]
ben_vulpes that's not an answer to the question [02:29]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343716 << oh i think i see what's going on here [02:37]
assbot Logged on 15-12-2015 19:12:39; asciilifeform: somebody +v ascii_field por favor, he can't reach the button [02:37]
ben_vulpes that is some specific diddling. [02:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00049183 = 44.3139 BTC [+] {2} [02:41]
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ben_vulpes https://blockchain.info/tx/58262fa8436e0d35b73e43caef8c6e4d929507a3acb9d44e56b26b48251e30e8 << HODAMN [02:52]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction 58262fa8436e0d35b73e43caef8c6e4d929507a3acb9d44e56b26b48251e30e8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvwEj9 ) [02:52]
BingoBoingo I'm pretty sure yall definitely have more money than the Vessenes' Foundation nao [02:52]
* ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it [02:53]
ben_vulpes buy a si fab in mod6's old age i imagine [02:53]
BingoBoingo Eventually bury meganodes in concrete [02:53]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://archive.is/L2CGe [03:03]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:03]
assbot Eating the Bitcoin Cake — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLvep8 ) [03:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218946 @ 0.00049141 = 107.5923 BTC [+] {3} [05:19]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] It’s not your outgoing US President’s fault he’s a dumb monkey, it’s affirmative action’s. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/16/its-not-your-outgoing-us-presidents-fault-hes-a-dumb-monkey-its-affirmative-actions/ [05:34]
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jurov http://www.marketplace.org/2015/12/10/world/why-cant-china-make-good-ballpoint-pen [06:51]
assbot Why can't China make a good ballpoint pen? | Marketplace.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbtMiO ) [06:51]
jurov First up was Qu Daokui, CEO of a robotics company. “If I close my eyes and try to think of a product that has Chinese characteristics and is recognized internationally,” stammered Qu, “I can’t think of one.” [06:51]
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adlai cf "bla bla space pen bla bla nasa money bla bla freezing boiling cosmic-ray-induced-degradation-of-premium-ink blabla. the russians used a pencil." [07:14]
adlai ehehe of course there's a blog for that: http://therussiansusedapencil.com/post/175863624/the-pencil [07:15]
assbot The Pencil - The Russians Used a Pencil ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbvCjH ) [07:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52404 @ 0.00048287 = 25.3043 BTC [+] [07:21]
davout mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343429 [07:21]
assbot Logged on 15-12-2015 16:58:50; davout: mircea_popescu: pl0x to x.eur [07:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00048589 = 18.3181 BTC [+] [07:22]
jurov *sigh* in the quest to make sense of trb's memory allocations, i ended up at gates of openssl's CBigNum [07:25]
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davout jurov: dem gates of hell [08:00]
jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bignum.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0068 specifically, this appear to leak memory somehow [08:07]
assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/bignum.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1lP3cOw ) [08:07]
jurov it goes against https://www.openssl.org/docs/manmaster/crypto/BN_copy.html [08:07]
assbot OpenSSL ... ( http://bit.ly/1lP3epI ) [08:07]
jurov which says "dest should be a newly allocated BIGNUM obtained via a call to BN_new(). It should not have been used for other purposes or initialised in any way." [08:07]
punkman it overloads the assignment operator? dear god [08:10]
jurov yes. and the best thing? igprof says it's called from CBlock::AddToBlockIndex but i have no idea where exactly the fucking compiler implicitly added it [08:12]
punkman actually it has custom fn for all operators [08:12]
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punkman http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html [08:29]
assbot Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape | Crime | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jbxb8h ) [08:29]
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punkman http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M84Sb4h6Jk4/UZziag65nbI/AAAAAAABVLw/QzR1vjFgEBA/s1600/ke7sFs9.jpg [08:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jbyggc ) [08:48]
mircea_popescu davout on it. [08:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344203 <<< Vulpes Suave Sarcasm. The kind the pope uses. [08:58]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 05:07:37; ben_vulpes: in nyc of all places? [08:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344211 <<< https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/497449427460956161 being the... one guy that retweeted that selkis two bit idiot thing should count as " a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012" wouldn't you say ? [09:01]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 05:10:53; ben_vulpes: ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012 [09:01]
mircea_popescu they're taking the "i've been part of the bitcoin through talking" to the next level : "in my head, i could have been talking abotu this in 2012 so why the hell not!" [09:01]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage. <<< bwaghaghaga fuckuing epic. [09:02]
mircea_popescu there is apparently OTHER seminal legal work in "The space" than my semen the sec chicklets guzzled. fancy that. [09:02]
mircea_popescu next time ima be sure to spread the media coverage wider. [09:02]
mircea_popescu this has been entertaining. [09:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344227 << heh. it's an american thing, how could one not have more money than it ?! [09:05]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 05:50:32; BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure yall definitely have more money than the Vessenes' Foundation nao [09:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more. [09:06]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 05:51:21; *: ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it [09:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93044 @ 0.00049386 = 45.9507 BTC [+] {3} [09:07]
mircea_popescu deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] << hey, maybe stick some more pete dushenski in there, pete_dushenski ? just in case tis not clear! [09:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.0004921 = 5.4131 BTC [-] {2} [09:09]
punkman just reached the indiancandy and thnewdeal part of the logs, wtf [09:09]
mircea_popescu tis a mystery. [09:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344273 << nice find j. [09:13]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 11:05:32; jurov: which says "dest should be a newly allocated BIGNUM obtained via a call to BN_new(). It should not have been used for other purposes or initialised in any way." [09:13]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344280 <<< ahahaha check it out, the brits stick to rotherham! [09:15]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 11:27:29; assbot: Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape | Crime | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jbxb8h ) [09:15]
mircea_popescu should just move the fucking capital already, who needs the queen. [09:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.0004921 = 25.2693 BTC [-] {2} [09:18]
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mircea_popescu oh, the mystery clears : https://archive.is/pcaTg#selection-1583.0-1585.0 << the subject matter expert primarily exists in the xt. [09:19]
assbot only-bigblocks branch code review - Google Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2bb9e ) [09:19]
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punkman http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h6141 [09:55]
assbot “Gunslinger’s gait”: a new cause of unilaterally reduced arm swing | The BMJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8larH ) [09:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161050 @ 0.00048848 = 78.6697 BTC [-] [10:07]
punkman http://fortune.com/2015/12/15/cybersecurity-china-world-internet-conference/ [10:12]
assbot Cybersecurity Won’t Be the Biggest Deal at China’s World Internet Conference - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8miLS ) [10:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35663 @ 0.00048622 = 17.3401 BTC [-] {2} [10:18]
punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKS4NiuCdJY [10:19]
assbot ΝΙΚΟΣ ΜΑΜΑΓΚΑΚΗΣ ΤΟ ΤΡΑΓΟΥΔΙ ΤΟΥ ΤΡΕΛΛΟΥ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8mPxk ) [10:19]
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punkman https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/startup-failure-post-mortem/ [10:33]
assbot 146 Startup Failure Post-Mortems [10:34]
punkman goldmine [10:35]
punkman (why didn't assbot add a bit.ly to the title?) [10:36]
mircea_popescu no idea. [10:46]
mircea_popescu davout http://dpaste.com/1TD2Q8F [10:54]
assbot dpaste: 1TD2Q8F ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2miid ) [10:54]
davout mircea_popescu: danke schön [10:54]
mircea_popescu getting the xeurs in momentarily. [10:54]
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-assbot- You voiced Peter_Geschel for 30 minutes. [11:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00048455 = 10.8539 BTC [+] [11:11]
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punkman http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35111363 [11:17]
assbot Facewatch 'thief recognition' CCTV on trial in UK stores - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8qs6v ) [11:17]
mircea_popescu today like in athens 3k years ago, a good chunks of "thieves" are the merchant's own adolescent sons. [11:18]
deedbot- [fr.anco.is] X.EUR December 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-december-16th-statement/ [11:22]
davout deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2PG8AP4.txt [11:23]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [11:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.56897406 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share [11:26]
mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2PRX75J.txt [11:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbX0hx ) [11:27]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [11:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 124.03338301 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 24 satoshi per share [11:28]
mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0YV070C.txt [11:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbXhB8 ) [11:29]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [11:29]
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mircea_popescu in other news, anyone wanna do a wire for me ? [11:31]
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asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8794707 << somehow i missed this lul ? [12:21]
assbot #bitcoin-assets on freenode is a good one with frequent discussion | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1mnYWpj ) [12:21]
asciilifeform ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344269 << what's the clue for this ? ( is this wallet code ? it never once turned up in any of my leak tests ) [12:22]
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assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 11:04:58; jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bignum.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0068 specifically, this appear to leak memory somehow [12:22]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344295 << having no expenses is great, aha [12:24]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 12:04:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more. [12:24]
asciilifeform everybody else would, if they could... [12:25]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344324 << mega-l0l: [12:25]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 13:31:42; punkman: https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/startup-failure-post-mortem/ [12:25]
asciilifeform 'There was no doubt about it: I had discovered The Next Big Thing. Like Edison and the lightbulb, like Gates and the pc operating system, I would launch a revolution that would transform society while bringing me wealth and fame. I was about to become the first person in America to sell condom key chains.' [12:25]
asciilifeform interestingly, there are two or three 'adult' defunct corps in there (a biotech thing and i forget what else) [12:26]
asciilifeform in other nyooz, [12:28]
asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/15/windows_xp_royal_navy << Run Moar Winblowz !! [12:28]
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nubbins` time to smoke a jazz cigarette while taking a shower [12:43]
nubbins` for those of you who have never, it's enjoyable [12:43]
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jurov asciilifeform: igprof shown several megabytes of LIVE_MEM for BN_copy called from operator= despite it's almost always used only temporary [12:47]
jurov (that was after I eliminated some unrelated noise) [12:48]
nubbins` jurov seems you're making some progress [12:50]
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jurov hard to say. my style of work is more like throwing shit to wall than some systematic progress [12:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344295 << having no expenses is great, aha <<< hey, i don't recall teh mod6 / ben_vulpes writing in any checks that bounced, so... it covers 100% of its expenses! [12:53]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 12:04:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more. [12:53]
jurov putting outside of heap all permanent block-related data that won't ever get deallocated, looks like an improvement and do improve the baseline [12:53]
jurov but if it helps with maintaining mempool remains to be seen [12:53]
jurov and the code i ended up with is rather invasive :( [12:54]
mircea_popescu jurov seems you're making some progress << ironically, the operator= nonsense was JUST linked in a basic piece about how c++ sucks that we've all read and yet it made nobody else click. [12:54]
jurov are we getting rid of c++? yay! [12:55]
jurov mircea_popescu: map is not the territory [12:55]
mircea_popescu jurov quite. i recall reading that thing years ago, too. understood as nothing of it then as now, obviously. [12:55]
mircea_popescu but hey, i like to read. [12:55]
nubbins` if you like to read, you'll love irc [12:57]
mircea_popescu i do, actually. this line-at-a-time business is almost perfect. [12:57]
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mircea_popescu in unrelated news : okcupid makes money in two ways that i can see. one is to sell you "A list" status, which brings no obvious benefits other than "browse invisibly". they advertise the shit out of it too, "you are browsing visibly". what the fuck sort of deranged ustardian would actually make an account of a site specifically dedicated to finding people and then wanting stealth! [13:02]
mircea_popescu but anyway. i imagine it's making a decent penny for them, being exactly the fuctarded "sit by lakeside and carefully dip toe in" thing that today's women of both sexes obsess over. [13:02]
mircea_popescu the other, and this is the lulzy part, is a "boost", where you pay them a buck or two and they "show your profile" to VERY MANY ppl!!1 [13:03]
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mircea_popescu this is practically a straight advertising deal, and i have the numbers : out of the ~150-200k people onlione they claim perpetually, the 1-2 dollar thing buys you about 300 over an hour, so that's superficially 1.5-2 per thousand but i suspect might be as high as 10% given that obviously, not everyone actually pays any attention to them. [13:04]
mircea_popescu as the boost takes about an hour, this caps the okcupid revenue from this line to somewhere around say 20 bux an hour ? which sounds just about right. [13:05]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, of those 2-300 people, should you have the curiosity to include a link strategically in your profile, you might discover that exactly... 0%, as well as 0 per thousand actually click. [13:05]
mircea_popescu on the basis of all the foregoing, i would say the market value of okcupid is definitely under 10 btc and perhaps over 1 btc. [13:06]
mircea_popescu this puts the per-capita value of an ustard (that LTV thing discussed in some earlier links in log ) somewhere in the 1 to 10 cents. [13:08]
mircea_popescu also, seeing how InterActiveCorp ( NASDAQ: IACI ) consists of at least 10% okcupid and claims total assets of 4bn, we can estimate the value of the bezzle! if 4k worth of okcupid is perhaps 10% of the business self-valued at 4bn, then every dollar a us corporation owns is worth ~0.001 cents of actual, honest to god, turkey-buying dollars and 0.999 cents of pure bezzle. [13:10]
mircea_popescu numbers are probably not exact, but they are certainly & guaranteedly closer to reality than the bizarro view where "apple has 1 dollar means apple has 1 dollar". [13:10]
mircea_popescu of only practical interest here, remember that for every $1000 added to your 401k, you can expect to buy about a cent;s worth of turkey at some point down the road. [13:11]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344351 << sure. pgp-gram coordinates and details ? [13:14]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 14:29:01; mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone wanna do a wire for me ? [13:14]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski onesec. [13:15]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://bringatrailer.com/2015/12/12/4wd-blues-28k-mile-1981-toyota-pick-up/ or http://bringatrailer.com/2015/12/15/5800-twin-turbo-302-1986-ford-f-150-sleeper/ for your usistan getaway vehicles :) [13:21]
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assbot 4WD Blues: 28K Mile 1981 Toyota Pick-Up | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O67KGp ) [13:21]
assbot $5800 Twin Turbo 302 1986 Ford F-150 Sleeper | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O67KWI ) [13:21]
mircea_popescu ah, as per intel they actually bought okcupid for 50mn, so prolly should shed some zeros. [13:21]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344298 << the key to successful marketing is repetition and persistence. and repetition ! [13:22]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 12:05:29; mircea_popescu: deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] << hey, maybe stick some more pete dushenski in there, pete_dushenski ? just in case tis not clear! [13:22]
mircea_popescu btw asciilifeform the same iac/spamcorp owns the princetown review, your favourite! [13:25]
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mircea_popescu "Product: Pixable [13:29]
mircea_popescu We achieved what we set out to do, even if the final result didn’t end up with us becoming the next Buzzfeed. We never wanted to be the next Buzzfeed. We always wanted to be who we were, Pixable. And it was working. Unfortunately, circumstances [despite reaching 9.4M active users and 58M monthly video views] … made it difficult to raise money and continue on." [13:29]
mircea_popescu epic. "i am exactly who i wanted to be : a failure. unfortunately, this also means i die now. so long!" [13:29]
* mircea_popescu looks forward to hearing this an awful lot in the coming years, out of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343794 [13:29]
assbot Logged on 15-12-2015 19:39:26; mircea_popescu: ascii_field by the time that's done, my dear alf, everyone who's still asleep ain't never waking up again. [13:29]
pete_dushenski "i don't want to succeed if it means i can't be ME ! what am i, some sort of sellout ?" [13:30]
mircea_popescu right ? [13:30]
mircea_popescu "Title: Bitcoin Reputation Startup Bonafide to Shut Down [13:30]
mircea_popescu Product: Bonafide [13:30]
mircea_popescu In the email, co-founders Karthik Balasubramanian and Brian Moyer stated their belief that the movement of investor interest away from consumer-facing applications for the technology was also a factor. Balasubramanian and Moyer wrote: ”While investment and activity continues to occur it is focused on private and alternate chains rather than bitcoin or other public chains where Bonafide operates.” As a result, the c [13:30]
mircea_popescu o-founders said they saw “little chance” that they would be able to generate revenue, pivot their product or secure additional funding." [13:30]
mircea_popescu all the things nobody heard of from all the people nobody heard of. [13:31]
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mircea_popescu this is a little like being a chinese diplomat reviewing the records of this obscure tribe, meanwhile crushed, that apparently thought it had sent lots and lots of ambassadors, expeditions, generals, so forth. [13:31]
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mircea_popescu nobody in china ever saw their faces before the day they were locked in a hut and burned alive, but hey. THEY thought they were part of the conversation. [13:32]
pete_dushenski and they have the fishwrap to prove it ! [13:32]
pete_dushenski "look at all our media mentions ! [13:32]
pete_dushenski " [13:32]
mircea_popescu but anyway, there's going to be A LOT of busting kneecaps of uppity ustard "capitalists" who imagine they actually get to have a say and whatnot. [13:33]
pete_dushenski this is actually an incredibly strong signal that the product in question is doomed, if their landing page says "as seen in nyt, good morning america, etc." [13:33]
mircea_popescu alternative and private, seriously ? what, like your wife & daughter ? why are they chained in my closed then, if they're this private an' alternative ? [13:33]
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mircea_popescu i dun see any alternative there. [13:33]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343621 << this 'alternative' [13:34]
assbot Logged on 15-12-2015 18:53:14; nubbins`: and if not, it's 100% because of everyone else [13:34]
mircea_popescu Product: Dine In [13:34]
mircea_popescu “We knew acquisition was the best course of action,” says [Evan] Graj. That eventually led to Dine In being approached in February by a major Internet company active in the online food space, and it’s my understanding that by April — and significant legal fees later — a sale had been agreed. Then at the eleventh hour the deal unexpectedly fell through, leaving the restaurant delivery startup “high and dry [13:34]
mircea_popescu ” and its unnamed acquirer a “no-show”. Adds Graj: “They backed out leaving us with a huge legal bill both for Dine In and myself personally, a huge debt to note holders, and no VCs to turn to. A hard lesson to learn and one I’ll be taking into my next venture.” [13:34]
mircea_popescu loller. [13:34]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ [13:34]
assbot Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh ) [13:34]
mircea_popescu Product: Quirky [13:35]
mircea_popescu Steering the ship — handling all of the engineering, manufacturing, marketing, and retailing, even when you’re taking 90 percent of the subsequent profits — was ultimately too expensive of a proposition, especially in comparison to other, less-handholding-oriented start-ups. “The reason why Kickstarter makes a ton of money is they don’t have to do anything besides put up a website,” Kaufman notes. [13:35]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/06/signing-a-shoe-is-the-same-as-signing-the-papers/ << more lyrical, same vein. [13:35]
assbot Signing a shoe is the same as signing the papers. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6b2cD ) [13:35]
mircea_popescu Product: Selltag [13:35]
mircea_popescu Escribano said that the company’s main problem was user engagement and retention. “In every marketplace you have the chicken-and-egg problem with buyers and sellers. We tried to capture them both organically and via paid marketing, but it wasn’t enough. Getting sellers was somewhat easy, but buyers much more complicated” [13:35]
nubbins` you could fill the oceans with people who thought buyers would magically appear [13:37]
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mircea_popescu these are pretty epic. [13:37]
mircea_popescu "Product: Zen99 [13:37]
mircea_popescu We had a user acquisition problem, and the best route involved a competitor…The best acquisition method I saw was tapping into an existing network of people who had filed 1099s: like Intuit’s hundreds of millions of tax returns, many with 1099 income. Unfortunately, Intuit released an identical competing product to us. It’s not ideal when your best user acquisition strategy is partnering with a company who has a [13:37]
mircea_popescu competing product." [13:37]
mircea_popescu "oh, we were going to change the world on someone else's dime. what do you mean "wut" ?!?!?! WE ARE GENIUZ!" [13:37]
mircea_popescu "Product: QBotix [13:37]
mircea_popescu Each member of our now pared-down team knew exactly how much runway the company had remaining, the status of our strategic talks, and the acknowledged long odds we faced as a going concern. To their credit, they remained focused, productive and on-task until our final day — a remarkable expression of dedication to the mission and to each other. Sadly, and in spite of the achievements, we simply ran out of time and ca [13:37]
mircea_popescu sh to finish the job." [13:37]
mircea_popescu any mention of "i suck as a manager" eerily absent. "i don't suck as a manager - i gave all the people who had no responsibility in the matter all the data about what a shit job i was doing. this means i wasn't doing a shit job! this is also how i went through school - i told my parents about all the Cs i got! this is actually better than getting As!" [13:38]
mircea_popescu why are these people this fucking stupid ? [13:38]
nubbins` we knew we'd run out of gas, but bobby steered and lisa worked the accelerator and we got as far down that road as we could. unfortunately we just couldn't pull over to the shoulder. [13:38]
mircea_popescu this is like, fundamental abdication from humanity. these people aspire to be bugs. [13:39]
mircea_popescu "Product: Vatler [13:40]
mircea_popescu We started VATLER during the summer of 2014 as an on-demand valet service in San Francisco … We received a phone call from the police department telling us that our permits had not been granted and they gave us a warning because we were operating illegally in most of our locations…In 2 weeks, we lost major accounts and 30% of our revenue streams without any perspective of growth. We tried to make some restaurants p [13:40]
mircea_popescu ay but it was just not working. Our model was no longer valid and were forced to cease operations in the city on September 7th." [13:40]
pete_dushenski in other nyooz, "Spousal resemblance on educational attainment was very high in the early twentieth century, declined to an all-time low for young couples in the early 1950s, and has increased steadily since then. These trends broadly parallel the compression and expansion of socioeconomic inequality in the United States over the twentieth century. Additionally, educationally similar parents are more likely to h [13:40]
pete_dushenski ave offspring who themselves marry within their own educational level." << thus, the true story behind the problem of idiot "boomers" is revealed : they thought they thought they could improve on history and stick it to their fuddy duddy parents all at the same time ! derp. [13:40]
nubbins` vatler [13:40]
nubbins` more like leller [13:40]
mircea_popescu in the immortal words of seinfeld, "i give some guy the keys to my car because he's wearing a vest" [13:40]
mircea_popescu this'd be an epic car theft ring, really. "kicstarter decentralized on demand carbon conscious valet service!" [13:41]
nubbins` this is great, i'm gonna read these over some coffee [13:41]
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mircea_popescu "Product: Better [13:42]
mircea_popescu Better had one of the best consumer user experiences out there but that isn’t enough. " [13:42]
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mircea_popescu gotta love "out there". it's almost as good as "self-aware citizen of the nubbins" [13:42]
mircea_popescu but hey... im sure they never said nigger and so how bad could it have been! out there! [13:43]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo so chuck lee makes it an entire thousand words without sounding like a complete momo, only to finish with "P.S. I’m currently in favor of scaling Bitcoin via 2–4–8, SegWit, and LN." like, wtf. [13:45]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:45]
pete_dushenski !gettrust charleslee [13:45]
assbot charleslee is not registered in WoT. [13:45]
pete_dushenski well, there'd be his problem. [13:45]
mircea_popescu "Product: Circa [13:46]
mircea_popescu Our ongoing plan was to monetize Circa News through the building of a strategy we had spent a long time developing but unfortunately we were unable to close a significant investment prior to becoming resource constrained." [13:46]
mircea_popescu i have a dog that speaks like this. [13:46]
mircea_popescu he's made out of pixels. [13:46]
mircea_popescu also, apparently all the douchy "entrepreneurs" and serial failurerists are on medium. [13:47]
pete_dushenski as is hearn, shock. [13:47]
mircea_popescu "Unfortunately, having failed to execute on our original vision, we recently made the decision to wind down the company." [13:48]
mircea_popescu wow, someone who went to school! [13:48]
mircea_popescu vocational school, it's true, but a damn sight better than the whole rest of 'em nevertheless. [13:49]
mircea_popescu https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*Bf3w_7sOPfgJHVnkWzn_ug.png << the us seriously looks more and more like soviet russia. [13:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lPTHyw ) [13:49]
pete_dushenski train tracks... to nowhere ! [13:49]
mircea_popescu i wonder what will i be taking in my travels for the waitresses and secretaries. tp and jeans like before ? batteries, maybe ? [13:49]
mircea_popescu "UDesign™ allowed everyday people to generate their own uniquely beautiful patterns for made-to-order clothing and accessories, using mathematical simulations inspired by Complexity science and Chaos theory." [13:50]
pete_dushenski butterflies choose your clothing size ! [13:50]
mircea_popescu the fundamental problem here being that if your "mathematical simulations inspired by words" actually produce stuff people want to wear, then you don't need it to be an app, just build a factory ; on the other hand, if people have to design themselves, then you have the same old problem of UGC : people suck. [13:51]
mircea_popescu check it out asciilifeform someone decided to solve the problem of ugc by adding... WHITENING! [13:51]
mircea_popescu it not only made it impossible to immediately notice that people suck, but it also made it unobvious to gatekeepers that this is a dumb idea. [13:51]
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mircea_popescu incredibly enough, it STILL didn't work! yet nobody can ever tell him why! because IT WAS WHITENED!!! ha-ha! [13:52]
mircea_popescu how can these people be this dumb. seriously. [13:52]
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mircea_popescu https://medium.com/@Santafebound/my-startup-failed-and-this-is-how-it-went-down-c9654d23c5be << notwithstanding the guy can't spell "its", not the worst piece. [13:56]
assbot My startup failed, and this is how it went down… — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1lPVfIN ) [13:57]
punkman "No one is in charge; it’s visibly decaying. Megatons of it, irrelevant, incapable of restoration, the walking dead…the House of Usher." [13:57]
mircea_popescu " We spent way too much money. I’ll tell you exactly how much we spent: [13:57]
mircea_popescu • $1000 on a conceptual promotional video for our brand. [13:57]
mircea_popescu • $2000 for a second promotional video for our app. [13:57]
mircea_popescu • $500 for promotional clothing for the models in our videos. [13:57]
mircea_popescu • $Another 50 per model for the 10 models in our videos." [13:57]
punkman lol [13:58]
mircea_popescu check it out, the guy spent way too much money. s.mg blew up more than that on online advertising for eulora mostly to give me material to write derisively abot "the industry" of online advertising. [13:58]
mircea_popescu $50 a model, that's about what random internet ho gets for a titshot, and they still bitch about being face shy [13:58]
mircea_popescu these are the people that can't be bothered to notice posters that cost more than their underwear. [13:59]
mircea_popescu i don't mean what they're currently wearing, i mean all the underwear they ever used. [13:59]
mircea_popescu "After $4000 spent, there was NO way, in light of the supposed attention to detail and effort we put into our videography, that this could not generate some kind of a media buzz, and in return, contribute to revenue growth…" << loller. [13:59]
mircea_popescu talk to the derps that spent 200mn and nobody ever heard of them. [13:59]
mircea_popescu "The outcome? Based on subsequent actuarial, statistical, and financial analyses, we concluded that not a single dollar spent on videography amounted to a single dollar in revenue generated by those investments. In other words, every dollar we spent on videography and on models was, economically speaking, a complete and utter deadweight loss (photography actually proved to be very effective early on, and should we have [14:00]
mircea_popescu invested in that we may have been better off. In retrospect, however, it was still difficult to say whether it would have saved us from our subsequent mistakes). [14:00]
mircea_popescu So what was it? Did we just pick the wrong videographer? Did we pay too much for what was being offered? Should we have paid more for a more experienced videographer? Or significantly less for someone of equal calibre? Maybe our product just didn’t need a video? I mean, we’re selling women’s clothing and the items themselves are undoubtedly “out there”. Perhaps leveraging word of mouth would have proved just [14:00]
mircea_popescu as effective?" [14:00]
mircea_popescu someone can afford to do actuarial work on 4k. [14:00]
mircea_popescu where the fuck do they hire those actuaries that work for 50 cents an hour ? [14:00]
mircea_popescu "3) Overconfidence. Some of us are too confident about our abilities, and this causes us to take greater risks in our daily lives." << mno. some of you are overfed and underexposed to risk of violent death. that makes you be stupid, it's got nothing to do with "risk taking" bs. it has everything to do with erroneously positioning oneself in relation to the outside world and the great things in it. [14:02]
mircea_popescu the notion that "uppity ustard talking out of line" is correctly represented as "fellow human taking on too much risk" is a core example of this problem, actually. what, we're all sitting at a table in mutual equality deciding how much to put down on red ? gtfo, you're not even allowed in the parking lot. [14:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89700 @ 0.00047621 = 42.716 BTC [-] {4} [14:04]
punkman guy's new venture: http://www.suitshare.com/ [14:05]
assbot Suit Share ... ( http://bit.ly/1lPXb4b ) [14:05]
punkman yeah I totally want random derps used suit [14:05]
mircea_popescu slutshare would be a better idea. [14:06]
mircea_popescu "got a ho you're tired of ? see who'd want her." [14:06]
mircea_popescu "the only apple app that celebrates women as items in trade" [14:06]
mircea_popescu now THAT'd get some buzz. [14:06]
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ascii_field ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344384 << post it plz ? [14:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:36]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 15:52:10; jurov: and the code i ended up with is rather invasive :( [14:36]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344417 << p. review is an exam prep co. (a kind of 3-rd rate 'pepsi' to kaplan co., the mega-brand in that sector) and is not even connected with princeton uni., interestingly [14:37]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 16:22:58; mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform the same iac/spamcorp owns the princetown review, your favourite! [14:37]
mircea_popescu aha [14:38]
ascii_field i'm not sure why 'it is my favourite' other than the fact that i used to live on a street that had one such. it was quite dilapidated and possibly abandoned [14:38]
ascii_field afaik, the only notable thing about 'princeton review' is that - at least in the past - they 'guaranteed higher score or your money back!' [14:39]
ascii_field i do not know how this worked [14:39]
ascii_field possibly an actuarial sort of gambit. [14:39]
mircea_popescu !s princeton review [14:40]
assbot 0 results for 'princeton review' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=princeton+review [14:40]
mircea_popescu hm [14:40]
mircea_popescu i somehow thought you mentioned them once. [14:40]
ascii_field the exams they prep folks for have since been made easier in the name of 'diversity' [14:40]
ascii_field and now the prep corps are getting sad. [14:40]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344421 << usa's gonna need a good reliable supply of wagner & cyanide.. [14:41]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 16:27:05; mircea_popescu: epic. "i am exactly who i wanted to be : a failure. unfortunately, this also means i die now. so long!" [14:41]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344426 << usg^H^H^Heloi lama sabachthani !!1111 [14:42]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 16:28:40; mircea_popescu: "Title: Bitcoin Reputation Startup Bonafide to Shut Down [14:42]
mircea_popescu no you don't understand, they were going to sit themselves down in the middle of someone else's field and charge a toll! [14:43]
mircea_popescu i should be less psychopathic! [14:43]
mircea_popescu me. i should be. these fucktards who imagine the world exists like their stupid mother, just waiting for them to squeeze a tit a little are fine. [14:44]
ascii_field !s axenic mouse [14:44]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344452 << l0l! i misread as 'stalag' !! [14:44]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 16:33:38; mircea_popescu: Product: Selltag [14:44]
mircea_popescu incidentally, funny scene yest : /me turns a corner, openms door and goes in. because me is thirsty and place looks like a diner or soemthing. [14:44]
mircea_popescu assistence sheepishly followsa. [14:44]
mircea_popescu little does me know that the thing is a starbucks. little does me care, either. assistence is in disbelief over the wonder. mp in starbucks! [14:45]
mircea_popescu so while the girls tried to expedite a TWELVE PERSON QUEUE at the SINGLE OPEN COUNTER in what the argentinian fucktards fraudulently misrepresent as a local instantiation of a usian chain [14:45]
ascii_field hey they serve perfectly good piss [14:45]
mircea_popescu (seriously, imagine this in an actual starbucks lmao!) [14:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 260716 @ 0.00047592 = 124.08 BTC [-] {6} [14:46]
mircea_popescu i watched a middle aged woman and two young men. they were seated at some table being the usual monkeys adolescents are today [14:46]
ascii_field and the starbux i went to a few days ago looked exactly like this. [14:46]
mircea_popescu and the woman was running back and forth bringing them shit and kneeling at that low coffee table so i could see her asscrack through her pants. [14:46]
mircea_popescu and i was like... what the fuck is wrong with you woman! i have women to run around and serve me because i'm fucking special. [14:47]
mircea_popescu why the fuck are you trying to cheat at life ? your two idiots aren't worth eating for fucks sake. [14:47]
mircea_popescu but no, she gotta http://trilema.com/2012/tara-ca-un-hotel-sau-o-schimbare-de-perspectiva/#selection-61.245-69.360 [14:47]
assbot Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UA1lsf ) [14:47]
mircea_popescu ascii_field they're skimping on service in the us too now ? [14:49]
ascii_field aha [14:49]
ascii_field whole-room queues, etc. [14:49]
mircea_popescu ajhahaha what [14:49]
mircea_popescu so how is it america ? [14:49]
ascii_field idk i've never been to any of the other usas [14:50]
ascii_field only this one [14:50]
mircea_popescu even as late as 2004 queues were still reserved for subway and other subhumanities. [14:51]
* ascii_field vaguely recalls that - yes [14:51]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344498 << if going to west coast - ammo. (which, iirc, is hard to find there) [14:51]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 16:47:32; mircea_popescu: i wonder what will i be taking in my travels for the waitresses and secretaries. tp and jeans like before ? batteries, maybe ? [14:51]
nubbins` back when i drank the black piss from starbucks [14:52]
ascii_field the mega-s33kr1t of starbucks is why it became popular [14:52]
nubbins` i was surprised to discover that they teach the english menu to employees in non-english-speaking countries [14:52]
ascii_field (prices helped to filter out untermenschen!) [14:52]
nubbins` i.e. i walked into a starbucks in seoul and ordered my usual in english and they /made it/ [14:53]
mircea_popescu english menu aka "venti" ? [14:53]
nubbins` lel yes [14:53]
nubbins` like you just say "5-shot venti caramel no-room americano" [14:53]
nubbins` and it appears in yr hand [14:54]
mircea_popescu anyway, in this particular case they didn't manage to close the sale in a minute or so, and so i walked out. [14:54]
nubbins` entire menu: english words transliterated into korean alphabet [14:54]
* mircea_popescu has spent less time waiting than most people spent having orgasms, afaict. [14:54]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344279 << >> http://imgur.com/gallery/JZ3yjCD [14:55]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 11:27:29; punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html [14:55]
assbot Sex is not an accident - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8mHgn ) [14:55]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344502 << wat?! [14:56]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 16:49:12; mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform someone decided to solve the problem of ugc by adding... WHITENING! [14:56]
mircea_popescu ascii_field depends if we're talking the lesser briton or the superior arab stock. [14:56]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i can only assume it was a straight case of 'hands off because foreign relations' thing [14:57]
mircea_popescu nope. [14:57]
mircea_popescu it was a case of "the best thing that can happen to a subhuman british citizen is being used for the pleasure of a superior muslin man" [14:57]
mircea_popescu straight case alright. [14:57]
mircea_popescu if i ever end up accused of rape in the crown's possessions i will point out that not being british myself, they shouldn't be as presumptious as all this. i'll tell them if i fucked them or not if i feel like it, no need to try and invent themselves merits scripturally. [14:58]
mircea_popescu such honor is, after all, to be earned. [14:59]
ascii_field if herr assange is any precedent, nato rape charge will at some point be sop for anyone even half-famous [15:00]
mircea_popescu apparently not. [15:02]
mircea_popescu only for the... peons. hm. need a word to brand the subhuman quality of white/english speaking/western world folk. [15:03]
mircea_popescu rapemeat, maybe ? wews, just like jews but white ? [15:03]
mircea_popescu im starting to understand that part of the reason people still stick around is that they don't have a ready reference for their inferiority as white people in the western world. [15:04]
mircea_popescu there should be a word. maybe we reuse the old ottoman gyauri [15:05]
ascii_field stick around ? [15:05]
nubbins` y'know, not commit seppuku [15:05]
ascii_field they're already slow-seppukuing [15:06]
ascii_field i suppose if mircea_popescu wants to pass out wagner & cyanide, it'll go a little faster [15:06]
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mircea_popescu lo lthat was fast. [15:06]
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mircea_popescu anyway, i suppose with any luck the alien invasion discovers cold fusion as an apple app or something. you never know, right ? hay mas futuro. [15:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104650 @ 0.00048464 = 50.7176 BTC [+] {3} [15:07]
mircea_popescu trizantynes lol. [15:08]
ascii_field holyfuq wat [15:08]
mircea_popescu you know, bi+1 [15:10]
ascii_field aha [15:12]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344533 << gotta be a gag [15:13]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 17:02:52; punkman: guy's new venture: http://www.suitshare.com/ [15:13]
mircea_popescu i don't think you understand how retarded adolescence works. [15:14]
ascii_field aha [15:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31899 @ 0.00047628 = 15.1929 BTC [-] {2} [15:15]
ascii_field i only know how antisocial maths adolescence wurks [15:15]
ascii_field mebbe close enough ? [15:15]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344578 << oh and in case mircea_popescu did not know : american starbucks DOES NOT have table service of whatever kind [15:18]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 17:44:27; mircea_popescu: and the woman was running back and forth bringing them shit and kneeling at that low coffee table so i could see her asscrack through her pants. [15:18]
ascii_field ever. [15:18]
ascii_field whether with ugly or pretty gurlz [15:18]
mircea_popescu ascii_field neither did this one, but i have my own. [15:18]
mircea_popescu i'm advanced like that. [15:18]
ascii_field it will have an elephant if you bring yer own, too [15:18]
mircea_popescu aha. [15:18]
ascii_field nuthin wrhng witht hat [15:18]
ascii_field aha [15:18]
mircea_popescu speaking of, it's a little declase to not have one's own valet, don't we find ? [15:19]
mircea_popescu not having owe's own horse i could see, on the grounds that, well... it;'s the town. [15:19]
mircea_popescu but no valet ? what sort of a man's one supposed to be ? [15:19]
ascii_field wasn't mircea_popescu explaining that there is a horde of usians without even own car now ? [15:19]
ascii_field much less own driver [15:20]
mircea_popescu no but was discussing men. [15:20]
mircea_popescu i mean, i myself am a pervert, use females for the role. but this notwithstanding... [15:20]
mircea_popescu seems a pretty minimal bar. [15:21]
ascii_field minimal for what ? [15:21]
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ascii_field dirigible ? [15:21]
mircea_popescu manhood. [15:21]
ascii_field well i live on mouse planet with the other mice and so anything mircea_popescu tells us about the man planet, i'll prolly believe [15:22]
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mircea_popescu i am trying to introduce it on the basis of le logique~ [15:24]
ascii_field bahahawat [15:24]
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mircea_popescu no ? [15:25]
ascii_field 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' -- kipling [15:25]
mircea_popescu whu! [15:26]
ascii_field http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_gentlemen.htm [15:26]
assbot Poems - Gentlemen-rankers ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6yCWJ ) [15:26]
mircea_popescu i know the poem, i'm just not following what you're saying here! [15:27]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344654 << mainly re: this [15:27]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 18:17:06; mircea_popescu: not having owe's own horse i could see, on the grounds that, well... it;'s the town. [15:27]
ascii_field and whether 'serious man' ought to have own horse, and what is the equiv. today [15:27]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell BingoBoingo so chuck lee makes it an entire thousand words without sounding like a complete momo, only to finish with "P.S. I’m currently in favor of scaling Bitcoin via 2–4–8, SegWit, and LN." like, wtf. << But he also took the castle analogy from a contravex it seems [15:28]
mircea_popescu yes but to run six horses is a diff story [15:29]
mircea_popescu he didn't own those [15:29]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the fella in k's thing ~did~ (past tense) own them. and then descended into 'trooper' class, and wallows in self-pity [15:30]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: aha. that. you know my writings better than i do lol [15:30]
mircea_popescu oh [15:32]
mircea_popescu perhaps huh. [15:32]
punkman ascii_field: [...] http://imgur.com/gallery/JZ3yjCD << that's pretty great [15:32]
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ascii_field http://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/ntas_15_1216_0001 << from the u.s. ministry of luvv [15:48]
assbot National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletin - December 16, 2015 | Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/227UMCo ) [15:48]
nubbins` i like how they refer to the country as "the homeland" [15:49]
ascii_field a bushism [15:49]
mircea_popescu reminds me of a certain guy with a moustache [15:49]
mircea_popescu vaterland!11 [15:49]
ascii_field отечество [15:50]
nubbins` If You See Something Say Something™ used with permission of the NY Metropolitan Transportation Authority. [15:50]
mircea_popescu aha [15:50]
ascii_field it is only funny because usa is nobody's homeland [15:50]
ascii_field 'we must die for our hotel, soldiers!' [15:50]
mircea_popescu it's actually everyone's not-homeland [15:50]
ascii_field aha. [15:50]
mircea_popescu everyone there is either a midwesterner or else "only here for a few years to make enough money to run off to argentina / send back home to laos" [15:51]
ascii_field nubbins`: every other bus in d.c. region now has a HUGE 'see sumthing say sumthing' on it [15:51]
mircea_popescu surprisingly, the end-of-life of a place which everyone uses as a mine is... being a garbage dump [15:51]
nubbins` ostensibly not to be used to report gov idiocy / graft / wastage [15:51]
ascii_field nubbins`: actually we had 'report welfare fraud!111' ads for a while [15:52]
nubbins` in a sane world that would explicitly equate to reporting lazy gov workers [15:52]
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ascii_field nubbins` would like to see ~more vigorous~ usg workers ?! [15:53]
ascii_field i think i'll pass [15:53]
ascii_field from earlier lul, 'Bitcoin remittance startup 37coins closes its doors... At the time of our launch, few bitcoin services actively catered to the underbanked and unbanked. Fortunately that is no longer the case. There are now many amazing bitcoin companies like BitGive Foundation...' [15:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:54]
ascii_field barfalicious [15:54]
ascii_field and one of the dead adults, [15:55]
ascii_field 'In [Calxeda's] case, we moved faster than our customers could move. We moved with tech that wasn’t really ready for them – ie, with 32-bit when they wanted 64-bit. We moved when the operating-system environment was still being fleshed out – [Ubuntu Linux maker] Canonical is all right, but where is Red Hat? We were too early.' [15:55]
ascii_field jurov ^ were these your arm boxes ? [15:55]
ascii_field from last year [15:55]
nubbins` oh that reminds me [15:56]
jurov what? [15:56]
nubbins` i signed up for this broadband speed test thing [15:56]
jurov i did not put these online yet [15:56]
nubbins` major ISPs have been getting flak for crappy speeds [15:56]
nubbins` company sends me: an openwrt router [15:56]
BingoBoingo !getrust coblee [16:00]
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pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/06/17/why-its-over-for-litecoin/ << speaking of litecoin, just updated this old piece. [16:01]
assbot Why It’s Over For Litecoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/227WNhV ) [16:01]
pete_dushenski actually the comments in there are pretty golden, mainly because a couple of our old boys - pankkake and thickasthieves - make appearances. [16:04]
ascii_field https://medium.com/inside-wattage/well-we-failed-77e795e16ecf#.m5g1hn28x << ahahahahah l0l! [16:04]
assbot Well, We Failed. — Inside Wattage — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/227Xfgf ) [16:04]
ascii_field 'We wanted to make it so creating and selling hardware was as easy as writing and publishing a blog post. You shouldn’t need to be an electrical engineer or an industrial designer to create electronic devices. Nor should you have to worry about supply chain or distribution if you wanted to sell them. We believed it was possible to eliminate all of that complexity, so the average person could easily create highl [16:04]
ascii_field y customized hardware without any electronics know-how, all within their browser. Of course, things didn’t exactly play out that way. But why?' [16:04]
ascii_field 'Brawker is a Bitcoin buying service enabling consumer to purchase products with bitcoin. Company (Dead / Inactive)' [16:08]
ascii_field aww. [16:08]
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ascii_field the 'lumos' link is to a still-alive photovoltaic maker ! [16:10]
ascii_field idiots [16:10]
ascii_field doesn't seem to be connected with the 'home automation' derpery [16:11]
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punkman https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10746134 [16:27]
assbot Web development is in truly a sad state. Having worked on a larger Node project... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1T25ww2 ) [16:27]
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ascii_field punkman: and mircea_popescu is puzzled why i'd rather be shot in the head six times than do www wurk [16:28]
punkman "I don't think most people run into this because most backend node programmers have moved to Go at this point" yeah because Go totally won't have dependency hell [16:28]
ascii_field maggots luvvvv a fresh piece of meat [16:28]
ascii_field but it doesn't stay fresh for long, no. [16:28]
punkman example: https://github.com/docker/docker/blob/master/docker/daemon.go [16:31]
assbot docker/daemon.go at master · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1T25V1u ) [16:31]
punkman well bad example [16:32]
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344585 << Last year was on a college campus where starbucks in student center had two tables and dedicated majority of floorspace for que [16:41]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 17:47:27; ascii_field: whole-room queues, etc. [16:41]
pete_dushenski this is sop for tim hortons in canada. [16:42]
pete_dushenski 50-100 meatpuppet line-ups 'normal' between classes and anywhere within walking distance of gov offices. [16:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00048327 = 34.3122 BTC [-] {2} [16:47]
nubbins` tim hortons drive-thrus routinely cause traffic jams here [16:49]
pete_dushenski without philipinos (the actual, irl kind), these tim hortons operations would grind to a halt. [16:49]
nubbins` like, drive-thru full, parking lot full, cars just blocking road w/ right-turn indicator on [16:49]
pete_dushenski l0l [16:49]
nubbins` i didn't think they used robusta [16:50]
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nubbins` timmy's a stone's throw from my house had to modify parking lot last year [16:50]
nubbins` to make a drive-thru maze that would accomodate more cars [16:50]
nubbins` still backs up onto road. [16:50]
nubbins` and people still pull up behind the 5th car out in the road to get in the drive thru line [16:51]
nubbins` in ford f350s and big suvs, neutral gear, gassing it to the redline [16:51]
nubbins` telling people to shut up and drink their oil [16:52]
BingoBoingo http://gomerblog.com/2015/12/screen-time-kids/ [16:53]
assbot Unlimited screen time recommended by AAP during holidays for kids | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1T27Y5z ) [16:53]
pete_dushenski haha [16:54]
BingoBoingo telling people to shut up and drink their oil << When plasticar was geared up in "Mad Max" mode with duct tape everywhere it was the mega trucks which offered it the widest berths. [16:54]
nubbins` took up three parking spots too, no doubt [16:55]
BingoBoingo Occasionally [16:56]
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BingoBoingo From the tard mines: "Among the strongest creations of Team Abrams, Kylo Ren is a kind of baby Darth Vader who throws tantrums in inky-black robes while wearing a leather-and-metal-head appliance that looks like a domination mask by way of the grille of a 1952 Chevy." -NYtimes [16:58]
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BingoBoingo Also from mines: "Donald Trump, who claims to be the “best on the military” among the 2016 Presidential candidates because he is the best at everything, apparently has no idea what the nuclear triad is." [17:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344744 << sauce ? [17:08]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 19:25:52; ascii_field: punkman: and mircea_popescu is puzzled why i'd rather be shot in the head six times than do www wurk [17:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344760 << nuts. [17:09]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 19:47:29; nubbins`: like, drive-thru full, parking lot full, cars just blocking road w/ right-turn indicator on [17:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344769 << this is what happens when you give poor people money. [17:10]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 19:49:53; nubbins`: telling people to shut up and drink their oil [17:10]
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mircea_popescu The only thing you can do is npm shrinkwrap and never update your dependencies ever again << doh. [17:12]
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mircea_popescu "The Node/JS ecosystems are experiencing a Cambrian explosion in technology, with all that implies. If you don't like it, don't worry. It probably won't take 20 million years this time to settle in on the "best" ways of doing things." [17:13]
mircea_popescu ha-ha. [17:14]
mircea_popescu mmmkay. [17:14]
mircea_popescu "Hey man it was a fun jab, and try not to take things so seriously. It's hyperbole and it's part of who I am and how I get a statement across." [17:14]
mircea_popescu dude that reddit... [17:14]
* mircea_popescu backs away slowly. [17:14]
mircea_popescu these derps "are" something now ? [17:14]
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BingoBoingo In the same way turds "are" something [17:33]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344779 << carefully playing pretend [17:40]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 19:59:13; BingoBoingo: Also from mines: "Donald Trump, who claims to be the “best on the military” among the 2016 Presidential candidates because he is the best at everything, apparently has no idea what the nuclear triad is." [17:40]
ascii_field a la bush II [17:40]
kakobrekla !s Decred [17:43]
assbot 0 results for 'Decred' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Decred [17:43]
kakobrekla https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-developers-are-creating-a-new-digital-currency-called-decred/ [17:43]
assbot Bitcoin Developers Are Creating a New Digital Currency Called Decred - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV4NfO ) [17:44]
fluffypony kakobrekla: that's a PR overstatement, it's the Conformal / btcd guys [17:44]
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ascii_field 'A hybrid proof-of-work and proof-of-stake technology-based consensus system that will balance consensus between miners and voters... [buncha crud snipped] ... Bottom-up non-financial decision making through the Decred Assembly by community members contributing to the project through work and effort.' [17:45]
ascii_field do we need to read more ? [17:45]
kakobrekla you came further than i [17:45]
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.0 [17:46]
assbot [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7GVoD ) [17:46]
ascii_field also i saw 'decred' and assumed it was something about ro's decret children [17:46]
kakobrekla >Possible bitcoin implementation/compatibility due to the main contributors being those behind the development of btcsuite. [17:47]
fluffypony json rpc api compatibility, I guess [17:47]
kakobrekla runs on x86, ergo bitcoin compatible [17:48]
ascii_field !s meni rosenfeld [17:49]
assbot 18 results for 'meni rosenfeld' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meni+rosenfeld [17:49]
ascii_field ' Self-funded development via block subsidy - In order to have an ongoing source of funding for development work, a consensus rule has been added to allocate 10% of each block subsidy to a development organization. This entity is transparent and responsible for funding development work performed by current and new developers so that the project remains sustainable without a funding dependence on outside forces in the [17:50]
ascii_field future. Decred therefore improves with growth in a sustainable way and is accountable only to its users.' [17:50]
ascii_field ahahahaha wat [17:50]
kakobrekla devs feel they should get paid for derp work [17:51]
ascii_field premining not good enough for these folks ? [17:51]
kakobrekla naturally [17:52]
kakobrekla what if its worth something one day and they used it all for mcdonalds already? [17:52]
ascii_field like sov 'privatization' vouchers ? [17:52]
kakobrekla im not familiar with those [17:53]
ascii_field kakobrekla: https://www.rt.com/news/russian-voucher-privatisation-15-years-on [17:55]
assbot Russian voucher privatisation: 15 years on — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I53t ) [17:55]
ascii_field ^ basic likbez [17:55]
ascii_field this is sorta the definition of being poor - to not have anything that you might not end up 'having to sell for mcdonalds' [18:00]
kakobrekla iirc something similar happened here at some point [18:01]
ascii_field mircea_popescu described exactly same thing in ro [18:01]
kakobrekla even i got the shares of some companies, which i later sold for btc [18:02]
kakobrekla was a good deal [18:02]
jurov cuz slovenians don't know how to steal [18:02]
jurov czechoslovak voucher privatisation ended up a lottery [18:03]
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kakobrekla well this seems a common practice [18:03]
jurov yup, washington consesus or whatitwascalled [18:04]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b81 [18:16]
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pete_dushenski [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 << waitwut! 'When the difference between a given "Yes" bet time and the event time is less than two weeks, that bet will be refunded less BitBet's fee." means this guy is shooting for december 30 and 31 EXCLUSIVELY. that's some kinda aim lol [18:24]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Not such big balls. risking only fee if hit on any other days. [18:25]
BingoBoingo http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article49766215.html [18:26]
assbot Rural NC town mocked on social media after passing solar moratorium | News & Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qt0WZN ) [18:26]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: well, price still has to hit 600 before now and new years... [18:26]
pete_dushenski otherwise, dude's out 1.2 btc. [18:27]
BingoBoingo Big, but Not such big [18:27]
BingoBoingo "Heiniger’s call-to-arms, reproduced in at least one local paper, predicts that solar farms could shift land use to such an extent that “it is highly unlikely this land will ever be farmed again.” Heiniger also denounced solar energy as a government-subsidized boondoggle that is “highly inefficient at producing energy.”" [18:29]
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BingoBoingo “We’re not opposed to the solar farm itself, just that particular location,” Lane said. “We wanted to make sure they didn’t overtake the town.” << Translation: 3 in our backyard already, stop forcing them down our throats if you won't even have one of your own [18:31]
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kakobrekla speaking of food i just got a fresh batch of horse meat from a local farmer - man this shit is crazy good, sorry cows you can go home [18:35]
BingoBoingo Beautiful. Better than Doormouse? [18:35]
kakobrekla doormouse is a delicacy here and you cant really get it in large quantities, also it has very poor meat to bone ratio - and because of the doormouse diet, meat has a quite strong and specific taste - i prefer horse indeed [18:37]
BingoBoingo Perhaps what the world needs is doormoose. [18:37]
kakobrekla the dms fat has some very nice healing qualities tho [18:38]
kakobrekla people successfully use it for various types of skin issues and even joint pains and so on [18:39]
BingoBoingo So we really do need to make them bigger. [18:40]
kakobrekla hehe [18:40]
* BingoBoingo things kakobrekla and nubbins` should collaborate on this urgent concern [18:49]
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kakobrekla im confused, i tell him how they taste like and he prints posters in such taste? [18:50]
BingoBoingo Well, you have the mice and he has the moose. [18:51]
BingoBoingo If nubbins doesn't clean his kitchen it will rapidly fill with moose [18:51]
kakobrekla the thing is, big things lose on quality [18:51]
kakobrekla ever had wild strawberry? [18:52]
BingoBoingo Have some in backyard, very good [18:52]
kakobrekla aha, store bought are like watermelons comparably to wild ones. by size and taste. [18:52]
BingoBoingo yeah, maybe we'll have to table this until we get bored with our chip fabs and can move on to our own monsanto [18:53]
BingoBoingo But GMO mammals instead of corn and soy because much safer. [18:55]
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pete_dushenski fuck the idiots who only post first names on their company directory. [19:04]
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ascii_field 'In the past few years, about two dozen solar farms around the state have become targets of public ire, usually over aesthetics and property values. Facing local hostility, several of these energy projects were voluntarily withdrawn by the developers, said Daniel Conrad, a staff attorney for the N.C. Utilities Commission. The resistance often flares up in areas that have become magnets for solar farms – agricultura [19:04]
ascii_field l communities with cheap farmland near electrical substations where solar farms can interconnect to the power grid..' [19:04]
ascii_field ^ let's hope the imbeciles like shitting in the dark come the petrocalypse [19:04]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Cow town already has plenty of solar farm for themselves. It's Raleigh that has none. [19:05]
ascii_field (photovoltaics are thermodynamically -ev, but economically interesting because they... work while they work. and hence 'lock in' some joules for the owner) [19:05]
pete_dushenski like a give a shit about how cool and informal your company is. but i guess this speaks to how fungible your retarded staff are eh. "oh, matt left, but we got a new matt, just like the old one". keep being washing machines, i'm sure you'll be mega profitable. [19:06]
BingoBoingo Could even be economically +ev [19:06]
ascii_field like war. [19:06]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: where was this [19:07]
pete_dushenski http://www.republicarchitecture.ca/ and similar. [19:08]
assbot Republic Architecture Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7Rp7o ) [19:08]
jurov !s photovoltaics ascii [19:08]
assbot 0 results for 'photovoltaics ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=photovoltaics+ascii [19:08]
pete_dushenski and of course, no mailing address on 'contact' page. godfuckdamnallyourdumbmothers!!!1 [19:08]
pete_dushenski ... it's on 'where' page. [19:08]
jurov ascii_field: what do you mean thermodynamically -ev? [19:08]
ascii_field jurov: costs more joules to make than yields over working life [19:09]
pete_dushenski because communication and physicality are incompatibru ! [19:09]
jurov ascii_field: source? [19:09]
ascii_field jurov: back of envelope calculation, somewhere in the logz [19:09]
ascii_field jurov: if you feel like putting in the sweat and re-crunching the numberz for modern input, we will learn something useful [19:10]
ascii_field but the possibly novel thought earlier was, that photovoltaic could be a useful thing even if ~heavily~ -ev in the thermo sense [19:12]
ascii_field because it locks in 'J joules over Y years' sorta like a hedged bitbet [19:12]
jurov ;;calc 0.1*6*3600*3650 [19:12]
gribble 7884000.0 [19:12]
jurov 100 watt * 6 hours daily * 10years [19:13]
BingoBoingo Limiting factor seems to be that upper limit of pv panel lifespan is something of an unknown [19:13]
ascii_field whereas a concentrated energy carrier like, say, a few tonnes of petrol, is a) volatile b) flammable c) easily stolen d) requires finicky engine, with associated maintenance, ditto dynamo [19:13]
jurov BingoBoingo: lifetime at least 10y is proben in practice [19:13]
ascii_field (diesel is slightly less terrifying with respect to 'a' and 'b' but has same problems) [19:14]
BingoBoingo jurov: Then there's ones still running 30 and 60 years out [19:14]
jurov so manufacturing the 1m2 piece of silicon needs much more than 8 GJ? [19:14]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: tricky. there are multiple failure modes, and dead short is one of them [19:14]
ascii_field jurov: where do you live where you get 100W for 6h/d [19:15]
jurov 8GJ ~ 2 MWh . hard to believe [19:15]
ascii_field per m^2 [19:15]
nubbins` i actually have some moose in my freezer right now [19:16]
nubbins` may make sausages over the holidays [19:16]
ascii_field and where can i buy a m^2 cell that yields 100W ever [19:16]
ascii_field i'd like one. [19:16]
jurov well, throw in a better number [19:17]
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ascii_field http://pvcalc.org/pvcalc << possibly [19:19]
assbot PVCalc - The Return (ROI) Calculator for PV solar energy investments | PVCalc.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1YihCaU ) [19:19]
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jurov 65W ~1m2 solar panel can be bought for $150, which roughly means 1 MWh of electricity [19:22]
jurov so it looks about on par [19:23]
ascii_field neato [19:23]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344818 <<< ahahaha [19:34]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 20:48:04; ascii_field: ' Self-funded development via block subsidy - In order to have an ongoing source of funding for development work, a consensus rule has been added to allocate 10% of each block subsidy to a development organization. This entity is transparent and responsible for funding development work performed by current and new developers so that the project remains sustainable without a funding de [19:34]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is how the catholic church was born. [19:35]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344822 <<< apparently the death of wuille coming so soon after the public rape of gavin and hearn really stung the monkey brain. [19:36]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 20:49:21; ascii_field: premining not good enough for these folks ? [19:36]
mircea_popescu they gotta matter god dangit! through work! [19:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344825 << funny, romania had the same thging. [19:36]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 20:50:39; ascii_field: like sov 'privatization' vouchers ? [19:36]
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ascii_field while mozerfuking sovblok had it [19:37]
ascii_field *whole [19:37]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344934 << in english lands this is called 'tilt' [19:37]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 22:33:59; mircea_popescu: they gotta matter god dangit! through work! [19:37]
ascii_field (among pokerists) [19:37]
mircea_popescu not at all. tilt is when you play poorly / too agressively and LOSE YOUR OWN MONEY. [19:37]
mircea_popescu poor people by definition can't go on tilt. [19:38]
ascii_field well, when you play poorly from rage at having sucked earlier [19:38]
pete_dushenski can always borrow someone else's money to go on tilt [19:39]
mircea_popescu i guess [19:39]
pete_dushenski even tiltier this way [19:39]
mircea_popescu anyway, maybe it works this way. in my mind it's very stricrtly related to blowing a roll tho [19:39]
* ascii_field is curious whether 'tilt' usage appeared first in poker or in 'pinball' [19:39]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344867 ahahahaha [19:39]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 21:48:15; kakobrekla: im confused, i tell him how they taste like and he prints posters in such taste? [19:39]
mircea_popescu ascii_field pinball. the idea there is you can get the machine in a state where it "pays" you for free. [19:40]
mircea_popescu hence in poker, you're like a pinball machine on tilt. [19:40]
* pete_dushenski had a pinball machine as a boy [19:40]
pete_dushenski 10th bday gift from parents. [19:41]
pete_dushenski worked for maybe 2-3 before broke. [19:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344873 << might also be a species issue. there's two kinds, the common strawberry and the tiny one. [19:41]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 21:50:35; kakobrekla: aha, store bought are like watermelons comparably to wild ones. by size and taste. [19:41]
mircea_popescu yea pete_dushenski im sure IT broke :D [19:41]
deedbot- [Qntra] New Terror Alert And Accelerated Anti-Internet Rhetoric - http://qntra.net/2015/12/new-terror-alert-and-accelerated-anti-internet-rhetoric/ [19:41]
kakobrekla arent the store bought same as wild but bread for quantity (size) ? [19:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344876 << if madonna and cher want to make a blockchain technologies wallet start-up who are you to hate@! [19:42]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 22:01:53; pete_dushenski: fuck the idiots who only post first names on their company directory. [19:42]
kakobrekla like grain was made of grass [19:42]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla nah genuinely different species. [19:42]
pete_dushenski pinball machine was then sent to only shop in town who could fix ~40 year-old machine, but delivery was same as cost of repair, so parents borrowed pick-up truck, from whence the machine fell off the back and broke, again, on the very. last. corner. to. our. house. [19:42]
mircea_popescu fragaria vesca vs fragaria viridis [19:42]
pete_dushenski by the time heartbreak healed and we looked around for another repair shop, there were none. [19:43]
pete_dushenski i think it's still in storage afaik. 'surfer' theme. [19:43]
kakobrekla grain is also different from grass in terms of species, but its a man made difference [19:44]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344968 << mmm [19:44]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 22:40:19; mircea_popescu: fragaria vesca vs fragaria viridis [19:44]
* ascii_field implodes [19:44]
mircea_popescu wut ? [19:44]
ascii_field real strawberry is virtually impossible to get here [19:45]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla nah, the cultivar is a hybrid, called something like fragaria x or w/e. [19:45]
pete_dushenski maybe when i move into house and have the space, pinball machine will make its way back to life. a house like this would suffice : https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/Single-Family/16305474/6-Ruskin-Row-Winnipeg-Manitoba-R3M2R6-Crescentwood#v=d [19:45]
assbot 6 Ruskin Row , Winnipeg, Manitoba   R3M2R6 - 1524509 | Realtor.ca ... ( http://bit.ly/1YinbWS ) [19:45]
pete_dushenski ^only architectural era of house i'd actually BUY. [19:46]
pete_dushenski pre-1930 [19:46]
* ascii_field lived in a flat made inside one such house long ago [19:46]
ascii_field was... interesting [19:46]
ascii_field (plumbing was a retrofit! gurgling shitpipes right in the rooms) [19:46]
pete_dushenski plumbing has improved considerably. [19:47]
pete_dushenski in the last century. [19:47]
ascii_field aha but if house did not have it when built, it will be just like so. [19:47]
ascii_field very sov feel [19:47]
ascii_field to have pipes where you can grab'em [19:47]
ascii_field ditto mains wiring & sockets [19:48]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344918 << the part he neglects to mention of that discussion is where i said that well, depends if technology improves. and that such investments are always a good idea to date, for this reason alone. [19:48]
pete_dushenski exposed radiators as well, i imagine [19:48]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 22:15:11; jurov: well, throw in a better number [19:48]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: vs what other kind of radiator [19:48]
mircea_popescu lol good one [19:49]
mircea_popescu !b 5 [19:49]
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pete_dushenski covered !!! [19:49]
BingoBoingo For the cophrologists https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011976.html [19:49]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] Segregated Witness in the context of Scaling Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2pd6P ) [19:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344923 << can be bought is a bs indicator. obama pays 500 out of 650. [19:49]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 22:20:17; jurov: 65W ~1m2 solar panel can be bought for $150, which roughly means 1 MWh of electricity [19:49]
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mircea_popescu just like tesla "can be bought" for 100k in soviet govt vouchers [19:49]
mircea_popescu but the car cost ~1mn worth of turkey dollars to make. [19:49]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: only to participants in good standing in the mortgage racket [19:49]
mircea_popescu not so different from how this works in cuba. yes you can "buy" "mercedes" in cuba, for govt vouchers. [19:50]
ascii_field ( i can't go and buy a pv panel with obama paying so much as a cent ) [19:50]
mircea_popescu that doesn't mean much. [19:50]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yea well... go to the party night meetings more often, comrade. [19:50]
ascii_field aha [19:50]
mircea_popescu maybe they'd give you black sea tickets too. [19:50]
pete_dushenski ascii_field: http://p-fst1.pixstatic.com/506a33a6d9127e30fc001273._w.540_s.fit_.jpg << what i had in mind as 'covered' radiator [19:51]
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ascii_field when i think about what something costs to buy, i think 'with money' rather than 'with Hero Mother Award vouchers from zimbabwestan' [19:51]
mircea_popescu incidentally ascii_field what's your take on petliura ? [19:51]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the fella who ran on liquid jew ? [19:52]
mircea_popescu symon [19:52]
ascii_field aha him [19:52]
ascii_field colourful character. [19:53]
mircea_popescu but colorful enough to support the notion of a bona fide ukr nation ? [19:54]
ascii_field ukr nation is sitting right there, for whoever wants [19:54]
ascii_field about the same cultural weight as zimbabwe, and for very similar reason [19:55]
ascii_field but here it is, on the map.. [19:55]
mircea_popescu hm. [19:55]
mircea_popescu this notion extends to the poles ? [19:55]
ascii_field the poles had an actual culture. [19:55]
ascii_field with items like own literature, period of empire, scholarship, military wins [19:56]
mircea_popescu well... you mean as part of the commonwealth or somehow before ? [19:56]
mircea_popescu so the trashing pilsudski administered to the oh so clever & brave bolsheviks doesn't count for the ukrs ? [19:56]
ascii_field mainly as part of rzeczpospolita [19:56]
ascii_field p. was a pole [19:56]
ascii_field it counts! for the poles. [19:57]
mircea_popescu well yes, but the maneuvers were a joint thing with the ukrainiansa [19:57]
ascii_field phun phakt - 'u kraina' == 'on the fringes' [19:57]
mircea_popescu afaik, the ukrs were actually the only people who had jews in govt etc after the ww1. [19:58]
ascii_field poor schmucks were on the fringes. it wasn't sweet, no. had all kinds of misadventures. [19:58]
mircea_popescu mmm. you know they invented russian-ness right ? [19:59]
ascii_field esp. after anglos (brit first, then modern usg) had the brilliant idea of nurturing a counter-ru bantustan there [19:59]
ascii_field aha [19:59]
mircea_popescu kiev came first ; moscow a distant 2nd [19:59]
ascii_field most of planet knows this i think [19:59]
mircea_popescu okay. [19:59]
ascii_field (except it was 'they' in the sense where 'man descended from monkey') [20:00]
BingoBoingo https://archive.is/ptzfQ [20:01]
assbot Lejitz comments on "In a $6.6B economy, it is criminal to let the Service undergo an ECE without warning users loudly, months in advance" - Jeff Garzik ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2q2fV ) [20:01]
mircea_popescu is this where we know what "ece" is supposed to be ? [20:02]
mircea_popescu "oh look at me, i'm so erudite" derp. [20:02]
BingoBoingo Of course [20:02]
ascii_field wtf does it mean [20:02]
BingoBoingo It mean "I invent terms because PoMo" [20:02]
mircea_popescu wtf oh it's just AGW for a DDL when theres MoLE aFOOT [20:03]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1345012 << wtf is that [20:06]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 22:49:14; pete_dushenski: ascii_field: http://p-fst1.pixstatic.com/506a33a6d9127e30fc001273._w.540_s.fit_.jpg << what i had in mind as 'covered' radiator [20:06]
ascii_field you can't dry a shirt on that [20:06]
ascii_field nor chain up anybody [20:06]
ascii_field cat will not sit [20:06]
ascii_field what's it good for. [20:06]
pete_dushenski lol it's exactly what i have in my place. same as i had in last place too. and place before that! [20:07]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [20:07]
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ascii_field is there even radiator in there [20:07]
ascii_field or just resistance coil [20:07]
* ascii_field bbl [20:07]
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BingoBoingo "electric" [20:07]
pete_dushenski nah. water. [20:08]
pete_dushenski thus constant warnings not to leave patio doors open in winter, lest pipes freeze and asplode. [20:08]
pete_dushenski twas a thing in the 70s around here. [20:08]
pete_dushenski *a design thing [20:09]
BingoBoingo https://t.co/XeFaTZAa1k [20:09]
assbot Government announces end of currency controls, exchange rate unification - BuenosAiresHerald.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2qA5B ) [20:09]
BingoBoingo Ghost talk https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg03049.html [20:11]
assbot Re: [bitcoin-dev] Block size: It's economics & user preparation & moral hazard ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2qJpu ) [20:11]
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BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3462 [20:14]
assbot JL: Oops! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yit9aa ) [20:14]
BingoBoingo "James Bond kills for the global Anglo-American bankocracy, whose most loyal thugs have been, and will be, members of our world-wide underclass, who might best be trusted with heaping injustice upon those above them and below their masters who might oppose the global good. " >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3461 [20:17]
assbot JL: ‘Your Opinion on A Black James Bond?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1YitKIX ) [20:17]
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punkman assbot: Government announces end of currency controls, exchange rate unification << how's that even gonna work [20:27]
punkman http://www.candyjapan.com/2015-year-in-review [20:30]
assbot Candy Japan 2015 Year in Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1YiwfLx ) [20:30]
punkman "I played cat-and-mouse with the fraudsters for a bit, adding various checks such as e-mail confirmation, IP bans etc. but it only took hours for the criminals to adapt to these. Eventually I just ragequit and switched off credit cards, going back to PayPal-only." [20:30]
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punkman if only one of the paypal wannabes could accept credit and pay out in bitcoin [20:35]
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pete_dushenski "Hard forking changes require that ultimately every participant in the system adopts the new rules. I find it immoral and dangerous to merge such a change without extremely widespread agreement. I am personally fine with a short-term small block size bump to kick the can down the road if that is what the ecosystem desires, but I can only agree with merging it in Core if I'm convinced that there is no strong oppositio [20:59]
pete_dushenski it from others." ~wuille [20:59]
pete_dushenski what could be a more convincing opposition than a death warrant, one wonders. [20:59]
pete_dushenski though, yes, wuille only proposed 'soft fork', he clearly knows full well what he's up against. [21:00]
BingoBoingo Well he still pushes jim crow as "uncontroversial" [21:00]
pete_dushenski he's still dumb enough to think that he can squeek through this affair unscathed, but my god he's an oily eel. [21:01]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: just like jim crow was in southern states ! "no one in this room doesn't agree!" [21:02]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Related https://i.sli.mg/iNn80i.png [21:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9aRCF ) [21:03]
BingoBoingo Still more related: "I had the exact same problem with medium leggings - I'm 5'10" and 138lbs. 34-25-38 and should be a medium. When I got the leggings there was no tag indication front or back so I tried them on both ways. A large baggy pocket ballooned out in the front either way. A FUPA pouch? I cant wear them because they wont stay up, even with my bootie. :( Fat people privilege is being able to wear clothing front or back be [21:15]
BingoBoingo cause you body is shaped like a stack of tires." [21:15]
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punkman lol [21:28]
punkman http://highscalability.com/blog/2015/12/14/does-amp-counter-an-existential-threat-to-google.html [21:30]
assbot Does AMP Counter an Existential Threat to Google? - High Scalability - ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9e9G2 ) [21:30]
punkman can't make lightweight html pages, gotta do stupid shit instead [21:32]
punkman Detritus R Us [21:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345095 << very lulzy. at last, 'embrace & extinguish' for html... [21:44]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 00:28:36; punkman: http://highscalability.com/blog/2015/12/14/does-amp-counter-an-existential-threat-to-google.html [21:44]
asciilifeform 'That Google approves the javascript in AMP is a tradeoff. You want the javascript to be minified, secure, compact, and standardized. But you also want new things in AMP and there’s an open process for that.' <<< ahahahahaha [21:44]
asciilifeform gotta love how this bomb is buried halfway into the turdocument [21:45]
punkman yeah and js disabled means empty page, aka the blogspot experience [21:45]
asciilifeform naturally [21:45]
asciilifeform how else to deal with t3rr0r1stz who refuse to load ad crud [21:46]
punkman I'll have to write a userscript to render with js disabled [21:46]
punkman (ironic?) [21:46]
punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Q7oCy9-yQ [21:48]
assbot Autumn- A Night In June (1982) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9g51h ) [21:48]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1345071 << how the fuck is the 'segregated' nonsense ~not~ a hardfork ? [21:52]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 23:08:47; BingoBoingo: Ghost talk https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg03049.html [21:52]
punkman someone figured out it can be a "softfork", just don't send witness part to old nodez! [21:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: "softfork" uses "anyone can spend" non-sense [21:56]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: "soft" literally in the sense old nodes verify blocks and absolutely not a thing else. [21:56]
punkman and that someone was Luke-Jr [21:56]
punkman just ftr [21:56]
punkman "This seemed like a hard problem. I personally dismissed this as a solution for a long time as something non-viable, until Luke-Jr discovered that it's possible to do this as a soft-fork. What we're going to do is inputs, we just deprecate the signature field inside of inputs. It's going to be an empty string from now on. Obviously, an empty signature is not going to be able to spend an [21:58]
punkman actual output that requires a signature. Instead, the outputs do not push these scripts that we required to be satisfied, they would be encapsulated, it would be pushed as a piece of data. This allows us to, this effectively to every node, and every node not using this system, it's an ANYONECANSPEND. It's just an output that pushes data on the stack, the output doesn't do anything else. [21:58]
punkman It's ANYONECANSPEND. In a soft-fork, we can add a new rule that restricts what's valid. We can add a rule like, whenever we see, we could say it's a new type of script that is able to instead of updating its inputs from the signature field, it takes it from the witness instead. The witness becomes a third part of the transaction in addition to the inputs and outputs of a transaction. For [21:58]
punkman now it would only contain a signature." [21:58]
asciilifeform if 'ANYONECANSPEND', what exactly prevents an uncastrated node from... spending it ? [21:59]
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punkman asciilifeform: it will only look like one [22:04]
trinque lets drown this motherfucker in complexity then carve our names into the corpse. I'm told this is what glory is. [22:05]
asciilifeform in other, not quite unrelated nyooz, the number of detectable nodez in the wild has been steadily dropping [22:07]
asciilifeform (if i had to guess why - the extinction of hearn's riverz-of-meat crud) [22:07]
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ben_vulpes Jesse, [22:24]
ben_vulpes Thank you for stopping by and meeting the team—we had a blast and hope you did as well. [22:24]
ben_vulpes A huge part of the work that we do while building software is cultivating beautiful little trees of commits with Git. To that end, we want to resolve a concern on our end about getting you up to speed on our favorite version-controlatron (Git), and so we cooked up two exercises for you to work through over the next few weeks (see attached). [22:24]
ben_vulpes We're looking for a really nice commit and merging history, so feel free to trash your working copies aggressively in pursuit of a nice finished product. [22:24]
ben_vulpes Please reach out to me with any technical questions you have, any questions about how Git works or how to use it, or to review your progress and provide feedback. We take pairing and education seriously here, and are very happy to extend this support to you during this exercise. [22:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1345078 << rather simply, currently they're raping the producers by taking their dollars in exchange for ~9 pesos each. meanwhile the open market rate for the dollar is about 15 pesos. [22:24]
ben_vulpes Should you demonstrate speed of self-education, willingness to reach out for support if you need it, and the ability and willingness to cultivate your own beautiful little commit-trees, we'll offer you a contracting position paying $30/hr. This rate affords us the luxury of budgeting training and study time for you. Our hope is that as you build familiarity with the ecosystems and projects, that you'll demonstrate productivity, mesh [22:24]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 23:25:11; punkman: assbot: Government announces end of currency controls, exchange rate unification << how's that even gonna work [22:24]
ben_vulpes well with the team, and (should we extend an offer to transition from contractor to employee) ascend our internal talent ladder. [22:24]
ben_vulpes If the notion appeals, let me know that you're game. It would be fantastic to get the git exercise wrapped up by Jan 1, and yourself into the office as soon as you can make it after your return from Indiana. [22:24]
ben_vulpes Yours, [22:24]
mircea_popescu if they take off currency controls, it's going to go to a 10 or something and that's that. [22:24]
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asciilifeform bahahawaaat [22:25]
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mircea_popescu ;;later ben_vulpes you gotta learn how to use this buffer thing. [22:25]
gribble Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "ben_vulpes" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. [22:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform notice he uses -tron now. prolly should charge ip. [22:25]
asciilifeform l0l do we want to know what other atrocities i'm responsible for [22:25]
* asciilifeform had a chat with a very old and long-ago last seen phriend, who threatened to use asciilifeformisms in a linguistics phd thesis [22:26]
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ben_vulpes jesus. [22:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes is there the luxury of us educating you on matters of security in that ? [22:27]
* ben_vulpes sighs [22:27]
asciilifeform aaaha that could've been the launch codes ben_vulpes [22:27]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344551 << first there is a faux test to set the bar low [22:27]
assbot Logged on 16-12-2015 17:37:28; ascii_field: possibly an actuarial sort of gambit. [22:27]
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mircea_popescu see what webstack does to you ? [22:27]
mircea_popescu this sort of thing is what made phantomcircuit derp famous. [22:27]
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punkman clients should not auto-post when you paste, gives you a chance to abort [22:32]
asciilifeform punkman: there were line feeds in there [22:32]
punkman still [22:32]
asciilifeform live by 'unix philosophy', die by same [22:33]
punkman no thanks :P [22:33]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's trivial to have it set up properly. looky here : 1 [22:35]
mircea_popescu 2 [22:35]
mircea_popescu 3 [22:35]
asciilifeform l0l!! [22:35]
asciilifeform !b 4 [22:35]
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mircea_popescu contained
, only went once i pressed enter at the end. 		[22:35]
asciilifeform see, mine does same [22:35]
asciilifeform but that's because my client is an x11 proggy [22:36]
asciilifeform and gets 'enter' key out of band [22:36]
mod6 irssi saves [22:36]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [22:36]
mircea_popescu actually displays it as 1
2
3 etc 		[22:36]
asciilifeform aha same [22:36]
asciilifeform and doesn't fire until key hit [22:36]
asciilifeform but you can't do this in a console proggy [22:36]
asciilifeform because yoooooooneeexfilosofyyy!! [22:36]
mircea_popescu why not ? just \n [22:36]
asciilifeform and if that's in the paste ? [22:36]
mircea_popescu then it gets displayed with one slash extra i guess. [22:37]
asciilifeform not how paste works in console [22:37]
mircea_popescu that may be, but i dun think it's a philosophy matter. [22:38]
asciilifeform it's an in-band signalling sucks! matter. [22:38]
asciilifeform just like the ill-fated turdatron [22:38]
mircea_popescu all signalling happens ultimately in band. [22:38]
trinque I don't use erc, but apparently there's erc-accidental-paste-threshold-seconds [22:38]
asciilifeform 'ultimately' all signalling is electroweak force, what of it [22:39]
mircea_popescu i'm actually willing to bet that his buffer sat there quietly, only flew once he hit enter. [22:39]
asciilifeform nobody gives half a dead rat re: ultimatelies. [22:39]
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* asciilifeform boggles mind at the starvation wages ben_vulpes pays his hirelings [22:43]
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mircea_popescu 30 an hour ? it's scandalous. who the fuck pays code monkeys over minimum wage ?! [22:47]
mircea_popescu i don't get it, the chicks should bag groceries and make ~10.5 and the dudes should dfick around with javascript and make more than 9 ?! [22:48]
mircea_popescu bitches gotta stand for the whole day, yo! and get hit on by all the losers too! [22:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i think if he pays less he will have to keep them chained in own house [22:48]
mircea_popescu pfff. [22:49]
asciilifeform 30 is prolly the threshold for having them ambulatory, 'outpatient' [22:49]
mircea_popescu i have no idea why and wherefore brogramer gets to make minimum wage. seriously now. [22:49]
mircea_popescu he gets the same the lawnmowing 12 yos get. [22:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you think you can find any full hour of "work" on say github actually justifiably worth minimum wage ? [22:50]
asciilifeform actually yes. [22:50]
asciilifeform mine. [22:50]
asciilifeform https://github.com/asciilifeform [22:50]
assbot asciilifeform (Stanislav Datskovskiy) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqyrZ3 ) [22:50]
asciilifeform there's maybe even 2 hour in there! [22:50]
mircea_popescu ... [22:51]
mircea_popescu this is cheating. [22:51]
asciilifeform ajhajaaa l0l [22:51]
asciilifeform hey if mircea_popescu got to have a twatter [22:51]
mircea_popescu are you going to argue to the merits or just gonna keep trying to squeak by on technicalities ? [22:52]
asciilifeform but srsly, he's stuck paying them in actual money unless he wants to house'em. [22:52]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, they're not worth actually paying money. [22:53]
asciilifeform (unless ok with india, but then doesn't get to enjoy chair parade) [22:53]
asciilifeform why even employ human compilers, is a question not for me but for ben_vulpes et al. [22:53]
* asciilifeform does not use'em for anything, will not even tolerate in same room [22:53]
asciilifeform lulzily, at a job interview i was actually asked to ~compile a c proggy by hand on paper [22:54]
asciilifeform ~ [22:54]
mircea_popescu as what, llvm ? [22:54]
asciilifeform 'for cpu arch of your choosing' [22:54]
asciilifeform i picked amd64 [22:55]
asciilifeform and this was by far the most trivial problem in the binder [22:55]
asciilifeform everything else was a pretty good olympiad puzzler [22:56]
asciilifeform of the 'identify which line makes this .c exploitable, and write the exploit here' [22:56]
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punkman in the interests of working with less wotless derps in 2016: You can rent punkman for $30/hr (can even get discounts if I like you), can operate git per your style guides, can't compile C with pen and paper. [23:02]
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mircea_popescu curious how this'll work out. [23:03]
mircea_popescu !rated punkman [23:03]
assbot You rated user punkman on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Hangs around in #b-a. [23:03]
mircea_popescu provided of course ben manages to not get himself fired from his own company over the buffer incident :D [23:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform tell you what, one time i separated 863 teenaged females into 10 groups of 5 tons each within a 1% tolerance. the process consisted of me walking through the group and pointing. to my advantgage, they were lightly dressed. to my disadvantage it was night time. [23:06]
punkman for plane/boat/rollercoaster ride? [23:06]
mircea_popescu something like that. [23:07]
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punkman btw, super interested in Eulora map generator project, but c++ just makes me sad++ [23:13]
mircea_popescu problem is the whole stack is in c++ and i'm not about to manage language interfaces. [23:14]
mircea_popescu but if you want to rewrite cs in lisp... [23:15]
mircea_popescu o wait, we can't run lisp irl. [23:15]
punkman should I be looking at cs2.0 docs? [23:20]
mircea_popescu nah there's a magical version frozen in time [23:22]
mircea_popescu download the game, see in the deps. [23:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: familiar with old game 'abuse' ? [23:23]
asciilifeform http://lispgames.org/index.php/Abuse [23:23]
assbot Abuse - Lisp Games Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1TR5Bm8 ) [23:24]
mircea_popescu notrly my thing [23:24]
asciilifeform now to be fair this was not commonlisp but a miniature thing created just for the game [23:24]
mircea_popescu i was into high fantasy. really, still am, da fuck with all the sci fi crap [23:24]
asciilifeform more like elisp. [23:24]
mircea_popescu ahga. [23:24]
asciilifeform this was a straight arcade game [23:24]
asciilifeform scroller. [23:24]
asciilifeform punkman: what do you do ? [23:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345225 << this is neato. but what was this re: [23:26]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 02:03:42; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, one time i separated 863 teenaged females into 10 groups of 5 tons each within a 1% tolerance. the process consisted of me walking through the group and pointing. to my advantgage, they were lightly dressed. to my disadvantage it was night time. [23:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345228 << i recently realized with horror that most of my dead tree library concerning programming is about cpp [23:28]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 02:11:29; punkman: btw, super interested in Eulora map generator project, but c++ just makes me sad++ [23:28]
asciilifeform (fine points and exquisite abuses thereof) [23:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform since you've decided to discuss magic for some reason. as if THAT's what random derp making 30 an hour in portland is all about. [23:28]
mircea_popescu he's gonna turn lead to cunt juice and animate pubic hairballs. [23:28]
asciilifeform actually i'd love to know what that fella's job is [23:29]
asciilifeform perhaps ben_vulpes will do another paste oops and we'll find out moar [23:29]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:29]
* asciilifeform searches logz for own 'oopsen' [23:29]
asciilifeform iirc i dropped in a page of asm once [23:29]
asciilifeform but i forget. [23:29]
asciilifeform one time i threw in what must've been a whole b00k and then penaltykick [23:30]
asciilifeform a few yrs back [23:30]
mircea_popescu ie last week. [23:32]
asciilifeform was thinking of the time i dropped a btc into the piggy [23:32]
mircea_popescu a [23:33]
asciilifeform speaking of cpp, alexandrescu's b00kz are spiffy [23:34]
asciilifeform a noteworthy fella from ro other than mircea_popescu ! even [23:35]
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mircea_popescu there are numerous romanian coder fellows from the ro. [23:35]
asciilifeform http://erdani.com << ha, looks like he has a site. [23:36]
assbot Andrei Alexandrescu ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpLRZc ) [23:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha but how many in my library. [23:36]
mircea_popescu well that i dunno. [23:37]
asciilifeform ftp://ftp.sbin.org/pub/doc/books/Addison_Wesley_-_Modern_C++_Design_Generic_Programming_and_Design_Patterns_Applied_Ebook-fly.pdf << l3337 w4r3z !!11 [23:37]
asciilifeform ^ jurov might enjoy [23:38]
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asciilifeform phun phakt: [23:49]
asciilifeform c permits negative array indices. [23:49]
asciilifeform ( aaand if you know why, you're prolly as ready for the glue factory as i am... ) [23:50]
punkman asciilifeform: actually i'd love to know what that fella's job is << I do contract webwork, dataplumbing, (G)UIs, etc as it comes but it's a hassle dealing with derpclients. I also dabble in selling physical/digital products and maybe with some renewed effort and a few good people I'll make some shit stick. I don't really aspire to having a job. [23:50]
asciilifeform punkman: neato. i can't picture a time or place where you'd be out of wurk [23:51]
asciilifeform in other nyoooz, [23:57]
asciilifeform http://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2015-8370-Grub2-authentication-bypass.html [23:57]
assbot Back to 28: Grub2 Authentication Bypass 0-Day ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ym7R6t ) [23:57]
asciilifeform 'A vulnerability in Grub2 has been found. Versions from 1.98 (December, 2009) to 2.02 (December, 2015) are affected. The vulnerability can be exploited under certain circumstances, allowing local attackers to bypass any kind of authentication (plain or hashed passwords). And so, the attacker may take control of the computer.' [23:57]
asciilifeform not all that interesting to a literate person, considering how it involves the 'can walk away with the machine' sort of enemy [23:58]
asciilifeform but illustrative of the 'open sores' thing in general. [23:58]
asciilifeform actually the above is conventional wisdom but might well be false: [23:58]
asciilifeform consider this: [23:58]
asciilifeform networked 'kvm' gadget is ubiquitous. [23:58]
asciilifeform and can cycle mains power [23:59]
asciilifeform what does enemy then see? grub... [23:59]
asciilifeform and from this we learn MOTHERFUCKERS why dulap cycled mains... [23:59]
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