Forum logs for 17 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform NOTE how grub2 (specifically!) is the affected ver [00:00]
asciilifeform i.e. the shitgnomatic grub [00:00]
asciilifeform that comes with ALL mainstream linuxen [00:00]
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mircea_popescu aww shit mod6 only now i saw your whisper. listen, youj gotta talk to me here or in #eulora, i dun much read the ingame chat. [00:06]
mircea_popescu too much craft spam you know ? [00:06]
mod6 ah [00:10]
mod6 np [00:10]
deedbot- [Trilema] Be Cool, or the multilayered cake of things I don't give a shit about. - [00:18]
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BingoBoingo AH, Mizzou [00:48]
assbot Be Cool, or the multilayered cake of things I don't give a shit about. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [00:48]
asciilifeform 'Strictly the only difference between Argentina and Soviet Romania isn't that the Argentines "did it to themselves" while the Russkis did it to the poor Romanians (always there guarding the West from the barbarians so the French could build their cathedrals bla bla)' << l0l [00:49]
asciilifeform they didn't do it, they just fell down and the cock went in [00:49]
asciilifeform '...Just as long as the factories kept going up, it made no difference whatsoever they'd work for a different set of people than the set building them.... You know, "abstract principles" such as the notion that if you take half a million tons of grain's worth of labour out of some people to do something, that something they do at your behest will return them at the very least half a million tons of grain so they don't fucking [00:52]
asciilifeform starve.' << how does this differ from mircea_popescu's classical prescription 'go shoot a policeman' ? [00:52]
asciilifeform i see no particular diff b/w this and 'die for the motherland to build bright komyooonist fyootoor' [00:53]
asciilifeform obligatory, 'i won't want to achieve immortality through my work; i want to achieve immortality through not dying' (woody allen) [00:54]
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asciilifeform meanwhile, from the ministry of idiocy, [01:02]
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BingoBoingo Ah, glorious blank page [01:03]
BingoBoingo Radsuit still wurkz [01:03]
asciilifeform meanwhile, in the OTHER usa, [01:04]
assbot Концерт ансамбля "Моранбон" по случаю 81-летия КНА (25.04.13). - YouTube ... ( ) [01:04]
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nubbins` the dress [01:15]
nubbins` the world doubts its eyes [01:15]
BingoBoingo "Interestingly, according to a recent Quora post by CEO Hadi Partovi, plans to have President Obama 'learn to code' a year earlier were torpedoed by the debacle. "We launched the first Hour of Code campaign, in 2013," explains Partovi. "We launched the first Hour of Code on the home page of Google, in every Apple Store, and we had convinced the President to issue a speech about computer science. But it was [01:19]
BingoBoingo impossible to get the president to actually write any code that year — the administration had just launched its website, and after the infamous technical failures, nobody wanted the visual of website failing while the President is learning to code."" [01:19]
BingoBoingo lol [01:19]
asciilifeform i prolly ought to have translated, it was a concert in honour of 81st anniversary of the korean people's army [01:25]
asciilifeform (nk where else) [01:25]
asciilifeform the REAL kr. [01:25]
asciilifeform one of the very few remaining sovereign nations on planet3 [01:33]
asciilifeform possibly the only one. [01:33]
asciilifeform possibly even mircea_popescu-proof. [01:33]
nubbins` polident makes kimchi containers smell like mint kimchi [01:38]
asciilifeform wats polident [01:38]
nubbins` denture cleaner [01:38]
nubbins` good at removing food stains/odors from plastic [01:39]
asciilifeform nubbins`: didja ever go to nk? or only to the nato muppet kr ? [01:41]
nubbins` i visited the dmz [01:41]
nubbins` 3-4 feet into nk is as far as they let you [01:42]
nubbins` had a friend who visited "for real". seoul->beijing->pyongyang [01:42]
asciilifeform anyway the nk to go to is prolly the pre-1980 one. which is approx. when the 'internashinal komyoooooniti' blockade started turning it into what it is now. [01:42]
kakobrekla had? had he not returned? [01:42]
nubbins` not from sk, at least [01:42]
asciilifeform in the old dayz, nk was ~the~ industrial korea [01:43]
asciilifeform and south k was a pisshole [01:43]
* nubbins` had another friend who is now major-label rock star in sk o.O [01:43]
asciilifeform slovakia? [01:43]
nubbins` secondbest korea [01:43]
asciilifeform ah [01:43]
asciilifeform nk was a successful exporter of heavy machinery prior to usg proclaiming it excommunicated and anyone trading with it likewise excommunicated from the mother church [01:44]
asciilifeform as a zone of genuine absence of lizard hitler in all of his manifestations, it was proclaimed 'must die' long ago. [01:45]
* nubbins` visited seekrit tunnels that nk had dug towards seoul [01:47]
asciilifeform incidentally, do you know why nk survived the destruction of su ? [01:47]
nubbins` every now and then they find another one [01:47]
asciilifeform because it's a motherfucking ETHNOSTATE [01:47]
asciilifeform y'know, the kind of thing the lizards fought ww2 to exterminate [01:48]
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assbot Han (cultural) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [01:48]
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asciilifeform 'Han denotes a collective feeling of oppression and isolation in the face of insurmountable odds (the overcoming of which is beyond the nation's capabilities on its own). It connotes aspects of lament and unavenged injustice.' [01:50]
asciilifeform mega-w0rd. [01:50]
nubbins` this so succinctly matches my experience [01:51]
nubbins` heavy han in sk [01:52]
nubbins` "korea" in korean: hanguk [01:52]
nubbins` shortened from daehan minguk, people's nation of great han [01:54]
nubbins` dwell on that for a while [01:54]
* asciilifeform mega-mental-hardon for this [01:54]
asciilifeform 'Han is sorrow caused by heavy suffering, injustice or persecution, a dull lingering ache in the soul. It is a blend of lifelong sorrow and resentment, neither more powerful than the other. Han is imbued with resignation, bitter acceptance and a grim determination to wait until vengeance can at last be achieved.' [01:57]
BingoBoingo From the mines Why even go on blast with a back that looks so "Do you even lift bro" [02:32]
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punkman spiffy OS for z80 [03:19]
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BingoBoingo In other news Qntra has now passed the 300 more comments than posts mark. Had been flirting with this line, but now its happened. [04:11]
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assbot Withdrawal Fees For Changetip Starting | Qntra ... ( ) [04:13]
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BingoBoingo ;;tslb [05:05]
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BingoBoingo Cool [05:05]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Legal pluralism as it relates to Bitcoin. - [05:43]
deedbot- [Qntra] Police Department Thanks Pedophile Officer For Service - [05:57]
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BingoBoingo Latest Qntra is recommended reading for #bitcoin-assets-parents [06:15]
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jurov << i've seen -1st element used as length of the array. dunno if that's the "why" answer, prolly gotta waterboard k&r [06:56]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 02:47:47; asciilifeform: ( aaand if you know why, you're prolly as ready for the glue factory as i am... ) [06:56]
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mircea_popescu starve.' << how does this differ from mircea_popescu's classical prescription 'go shoot a policeman' ? <<< this question is indistinguishable from where i sit from asking "how does saying 'you see a girl you like ? go fuck her.' differ from saying 'you see a girl you like ? go raise her children by another man!". while i grant that there could in point of fact truthfully exist nooks and crannies in the [09:40]
mircea_popescu space of existence from whence this difference is genuinely not visible, nevertheless it must be pointed out that their inhabitants are definitionally called troglodytes. [09:40]
mircea_popescu now... does all that pass your parser or does it need breaking down ? [09:40]
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mircea_popescu << two things about this. one is that well... "we" didn't get jack shit. "we" are just the front for other things. or conversely : "we got first page in google and apple store and bla bla and it did exactly nothing". whichever way. [09:56]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 04:16:55; BingoBoingo: impossible to get the president to actually write any code that year — the administration had just launched its website, and after the infamous technical failures, nobody wanted the visual of website failing while the President is learning to code."" [09:56]
mircea_popescu but the other : why the fuck NOT ? what is the big fucking problem with the president learning to code as some $10 dollar website the gubinmint paid 10 bn for is misbehjaving ? [09:56]
mircea_popescu this is an incredible depth of rot in these heads by now, i am persuaded that what they PERCEIVE as the problem is that it's... get a hold of youself... it's NOT META ENOUGH. that's the fucking thing, these dickless, otaku imbeciles feel deeply threatened by the fact that a guy learning to do what his country generally sucks at is TOO REAL. [09:57]
mircea_popescu "nobody wanted the visual of website failing while the President is learning to code BECAUSE what it might conceivably be seen to mean [by racists and wreckers] is that perhaps random bureaucrat should drop his droning and help put out the fire ? INCONCEIVABLE. he'll document the fire! on paper!" [09:58]
mircea_popescu << ew. [10:00]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 04:37:01; nubbins`: good at removing food stains/odors from plastic [10:00]
mircea_popescu << is it ok if i have no more respect for the "sovereign nation" of some random, clueless bumbling imbecile than i have for the shit-and-vomit constructions of "respeto y derechos" ? [10:01]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 04:40:19; asciilifeform: anyway the nk to go to is prolly the pre-1980 one. which is approx. when the 'internashinal komyoooooniti' blockade started turning it into what it is now. [10:01]
mircea_popescu i guess they're sovereign, in that lord-of-the-flies sense. whatevs. [10:02]
mircea_popescu << and i also don't buy into this narrative. soviet russia was also a middling successful economy up until... what, hruschev decided to bury you ? i guess. the fact of the matter is that there's a shelf life for all delusion, printed right on the box. seoul adapted, pyongyang did not adapt. yes, it's true that neither had the resoureces to force the adaptation of t [10:04]
mircea_popescu he environment instead. pro tip : nobody has to date. [10:04]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 04:42:33; asciilifeform: nk was a successful exporter of heavy machinery prior to usg proclaiming it excommunicated and anyone trading with it likewise excommunicated from the mother church [10:04]
mircea_popescu << nothing to do with it, really. romania also ethnostate, didn't survive. checnya, not state at all (by your ukrainian standards, at any rate), survived just fine. so did isis, throughout, even before you called it that. [10:06]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 04:45:29; asciilifeform: because it's a motherfucking ETHNOSTATE [10:06]
mircea_popescu nk "survived" because derps composing nk are cowardly. just like the us "survives". [10:06]
mircea_popescu actually the differences between these two are dwarved by the similarities. for one thing, they BOTH live or die at the pleasure of "teh celestial empire". [10:07]
mircea_popescu which is turning out to be pretty tolerant, incidentally. but then again it's historically famous for that. [10:07]
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mircea_popescu in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano, soy argentina" mp on okcupid : "It's not your fault you're Argentine. It is however your fault you're a dumbass. That's what I wanted to see, if you're just Argentine because your parents were dumb, or whether you are actually dumb yourself. Having established that point, a bon entendeur, salut." [10:41]
mircea_popescu curious how long they take to BAN ME!111 omaigawds [10:41]
mircea_popescu << eh this is nuts. who is the lizzard here, the anglos ? hitler ? both ? [10:47]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 04:45:40; asciilifeform: y'know, the kind of thing the lizards fought ww2 to exterminate [10:47]
mircea_popescu "Han or Haan[1] is a concept in Korean culture attributed as a unique Korean cultural trait which has resulted from Korea's frequent exposure to invasions by overwhelming foreign powers. " <<< unique my foot. burebista & decebalus fought the fucking romans for three centuries, eventually ended up pacified by three legions. then the principalities fought the turks for five-ish centuries, including the lulzy defeat of on [10:51]
mircea_popescu e of the largest armies ever to visit europe, led by sinan pasha, a guy who lost his last teeth in the encounter. then got liberated by the russians. if we're not counting the occasional german, austrian, hungarian or polish commonwealth / cussack invasion, that's only "all the empires outside of china". [10:51]
adlai !s mpoe sleeps [10:56]
assbot 2 results for 'mpoe sleeps' : [10:56]
mircea_popescu adlai yeah, being worked on. [11:00]
* adlai searched for 'fire burning, water flowing, people working', came up with instead [11:05]
assbot Crypto Spy on Twitter: "Three things you can watch forever: fire, water and bitcoinwisdom." ... ( ) [11:05]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure "being able to watch fire forever" is indicative of mental issues. [11:07]
mircea_popescu "A search warrant to have that child taken to the hospital for injection with an erection inducing drug followed by photography was approved by a judge in that case." [11:07]
mircea_popescu ahahaha what! [11:07]
mircea_popescu "It turns out we underestimated the complexity of the project, and overestimated our ability to complete it on a limited budget should, closer to launch, any complications arise. We thought we could wing it with our existing coding experience (2–3 non-formal years of Java, Objective-C, and XML between the two of us)." [11:09]
mircea_popescu motherfucker... [11:09]
mircea_popescu xml is coding ?! [11:10]
mircea_popescu "We shirked on paying for programming because we thought ourselves experts enough, and what ended up happening was that we spent everything we could have spent on polishing the product itself on marketing instead, under the assumption that we could finish whatever tasks remained effectively ourselves." [11:10]
mircea_popescu ^ this is also how they went throiugh college [11:10]
mircea_popescu well... "college". [11:10]
mircea_popescu "Instead of sucking it up, discounting our losses, and moving on, we did what every good economist should never, EVER do: we incorporated our sunk costs into our expected future outlays. We decided, on the basis of our spending, that what we should be doing is spending EVEN MORE on marketing." [11:12]
mircea_popescu riiight ? lol. [11:12]
mircea_popescu cue nubbins for a dose of "the reason advertising doesn't work is not that advertising doesn't work, is that you're not doing it right", because hey, everyone's gotta have a church and "always pay more for advertising" is as good as any other church. [11:13]
mircea_popescu "Look, it wasn’t that women didn’t want custom clothing. Designer clothing by nature is custom, in a sense. The real problem was that while on average our users spent up to 7 minutes per session (insanely impressive I might add), they weren’t sure if they wanted to purchase the clothes that they spent all that time personalizing. We knew because we asked. We (creepily?) added almost all of our initial customers t [11:25]
mircea_popescu o Facebook, and reached out to many more of our followers via Instagram. [11:25]
mircea_popescu Perhaps if someone customized the clothing for them? Like a designer? But that’s actually what UDesign™ would have been all about. By employing a naturally occurring genetic algorithm, spurned by the social interactions of users actively generating the plethora of patterns (some bad, some good, and some ugly) available on the edge of our very own little creative “adjacent possible,” to borrow the term from Amer [11:25]
mircea_popescu ican theoretical biologist Stuart Kauffman, the community as a whole would actually converge upon a globally optimal mix of popular patterns, and hence, come full circle, the average user wouldn’t have to spend time wondering if their personal creation was something they’d actually wear. Based on the seemingly automatically generated feedback from their community, they’d just know." [11:25]
mircea_popescu aaaahahahaha [11:25]
mircea_popescu o may god. [11:25]
mircea_popescu see, when i say white westerners aspire to be dead, this is very pointedly, very exactly what i mean. [11:25]
mircea_popescu "Product: Patterbuzz [11:27]
mircea_popescu Everything was going good. But we always had one issue. We never had enough money in our bank. and This became the cause of our death. We ran out of money." [11:27]
mircea_popescu yeah, i see how everything was going good. [11:27]
mircea_popescu "Brawker lets you order anything with #bitcoins and save up to 20% anywhere online." [11:28]
mircea_popescu all this inept shit nobody heard of good god. [11:28]
mircea_popescu "However, our growth rate did not meet our expectations, and the service does not scale as we would have expected to." aka "trying to leech of bitcoin while doing the usual fiat bullshit doesn't work." [11:29]
mircea_popescu oh btw Naphex ? midmonth ? [11:29]
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mircea_popescu "We had never used the existing home automation products in our homes. We were not experts in the IoT sector. When you have new at something, you give yourself the famous Dunning Kruger Pass on your decisions." [11:33]
mircea_popescu lol [11:33]
mircea_popescu "Let me back-track a few months to give you some background. In July, we started building smart internet connected switches that learn from user behavior and automate all the electronic appliances in a home. We felt that it’s a pity that our search results and news feed are personalized to us but our homes, where we spend most of our time, are not." [11:34]
mircea_popescu and i feel it's a peety you folks manage to find 2k calories' worth of roadkill each day. [11:35]
mircea_popescu "We built like crazy. That’s the thing about us engineers; if you give us something interesting to build, we will forget everything else and just build. Our first prototype, which automated lights, was ready in 45 days. The second prototype, which could automate lights, fans, ACs and water heaters was out in another month. This is really fast according to hardware standards." << i wish i could disagree. [11:37]
mircea_popescu "here are the top 5 mistakes we made in Lumos and what we learnt from them. Mistake 1: We were neither experts nor target users of the product that we were building." << sigh. [11:39]
mircea_popescu "Today. Eventually, we ended up leaving hardware and IoT as a sector and decided to work in the content sector (which we understand better)." [11:43]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [11:43]
mircea_popescu oh this shit's so sweet. [11:43]
mircea_popescu "As a consequence of #2, we didn’t have a CTO who dedicated enough time to our product. For some months, we got away with a slideware, then with mockups and paper prototypes. For a while it was even fun. It felt like we are doing the proper thing, follwing the Lean Startup way of quickly building something (that is crappy), learning from it (unfortunately, many times not the proper thing) and adjusting (after a while [11:46]
mircea_popescu we just went in circles). [11:46]
mircea_popescu But around July I just couldn’t take it anymore. I wanted a product. A real one. Not just a mockup. So what did I do? Instead of fully focusing on finding a CTO, or looking for other ways to get somebody creating the product, I decided to learn how to code and do it myself. Coding was on my bucket list anyhow, so I figured, this is the best opportunity to make it happen. So I took a 2 week crash course in Rails, and [11:46]
mircea_popescu then spent 2 more weeks of creating the initial version of" [11:46]
mircea_popescu holy shit... [11:46]
shinohai <<< That didn't take long. [11:59]
assbot I have removed btcdrak as mod. We owe you guys a huge apology. : btc ... ( ) [11:59]
mircea_popescu aww. [12:02]
mircea_popescu in other news, asciilifeform : i comissioned a server with 128gb (ecc) ram, on the understanding that they'll upgrade it to 256gb just as soon as they can get the sticks in the dc. will be passing you the coords later today, so phuctor can live again. [12:03]
mircea_popescu this will also add a 0.7-.8 expense on the s.nsa books, but hey, whatchagonnado. [12:04]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is mighty spiffy [12:05]
asciilifeform i take it that s.bisp has returned ? [12:06]
mircea_popescu sort-of. [12:06]
mircea_popescu how are we on the "can take a reboot" front ? [12:09]
punkman << amazing, also to fix "Virgina police" [12:35]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [12:35]
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nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> << ew. <<< that's what you'd say after smelling the kimchi container [12:36]
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nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano << they say castellano in peru too, but if i'm not mistaken this is not universal in south america? [12:39]
punkman they should totally seize that wutang album now [12:49]
assbot Martin Shkreli Arrested on Securities Fraud Charges ... ( ) [12:49]
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kakobrekla >By age 26, they said, he got nine investors to place $3 million with him, began losing their money and covering it up. Within a year, his fund's account was down to $331. [12:59]
kakobrekla not bad [12:59]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no, it's only common in the more stupid lands. [13:01]
mircea_popescu it's not spanish you know, they're speshul like that. [13:01]
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mircea_popescu punkman the fraud consisting of you know, "being-not-usg". [13:02]
mircea_popescu if ever so vaguely. [13:02]
mircea_popescu that the schmuck was dumb enough to actually reside within reach... [13:02]
asciilifeform << implemented a simple and brutal kludge described in earlier thread [13:03]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 15:06:52; mircea_popescu: how are we on the "can take a reboot" front ? [13:03]
mircea_popescu "Greebel, who worked at Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP and served as lead outside counsel to Retrophin from 2012 to 2014, helped Shkreli in several schemes, prosecutors said." <<< the principal utility of Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP being to provide the US Dept of Inquisition with false witnesses for its numerous prosecutions. [13:03]
mircea_popescu don't ever hire one of those schmucks, it's as good as signing a blank confession. [13:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform [13:07]
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punkman "If the government seizes the Wu-Tang album, does it run another auction, or just release it for free as part of our cultural patrimony?" [14:02]
mircea_popescu "our cultural patrimony" ? [14:06]
mircea_popescu it really galls these fucktards, the notion that there exists something that's not for them. [14:07]
mircea_popescu "Product: Bitshuva What I didn’t understand was, you charge not for how much work it is for you. You charge how much the service is worth." [14:14]
mircea_popescu o i c! [14:14]
mircea_popescu "I realized that many of the true money-making businesses in healthcare really aren’t about optimizing delivery of primary care. This is a longer discussion but I realized, essentially, that we had no customers because no one was really interested in the model we were pitching. Doctors want more patients, not an efficient office." [14:16]
mircea_popescu and more patients are obtained through what, the power of prayer ? [14:16]
mircea_popescu "Unfortunately we do not have the resources to fend off a large company like Twitter to maintain our mark which we believe whole heartedly is rightfully ours. Therefore, we have decided to shut down Twitpic." [14:16]
mircea_popescu ahahaha oh they believe rightfully [14:16]
mircea_popescu and still EVERYTHING is on medium., home of the new retard. are you the sort of guy who learns that "you charge not for how much work it is for you, but for how much the service is worth" in your twenties ? are you ready to start your entrepreneurtardism with 2 week's ruby cramming ? are you a "content generator" with delusions of humanity ? MEDIUM IS WHERE ALL THE OTHER SIMILAR SCUM FOUND A HOME! [14:18]
mircea_popescu "The Lead Up [14:19]
mircea_popescu My sophomore year of college I was a neuroscience major and my plan was to unlock the secrets of the mind and universe. Then I realized that the path of grad school, professor, grants, and incremental research wouldn’t be a great way to pursue this goal. At the same time, I read Paul Graham’s essay on How to Start a Startup. I felt a strong sense of “I could do this!” and “making a lot of money from a startup [14:19]
mircea_popescu and using it to do something good would be a better way of pursuing my goals of doing something important”. [14:19]
mircea_popescu Throughout sophomore year I read all I could about startups, and about things like finance, marketing, strategy, economics, design, technology etc. The following summer I started learning some HTML, CSS, JS and PHP, but didn’t make much progress (I also started a very early version of the website that I’m writing this post about)." [14:19]
mircea_popescu great, now you can be a neuroscience relationship expert! [14:19]
mircea_popescu "things like finance, marketing, strategy, economics, design, technology etc.". ytou know, just like neuroscience is all about "things like neurons, axons, mielin etc", just so entrepreneurtardism is an unstructured soup of nothing in particular. [14:20]
mircea_popescu god help us. [14:20]
mircea_popescu "I spent 2 weeks cold calling college counselors saying, “Hey I’ve got free student reviews of Ivy League schools. Check it out, let me know what you think, and sign up here if you want to be notified when I get more schools.” Almost all of them ignored me." [14:23]
mircea_popescu "I overestimated peoples’ desire to help someone starting a startup and trying to do something good. This will probably sound naive, but I don’t think it is. I thought that people would have some sort of respect for what I’m doing and want to help out. For example, the high school guidance counselors I tried to contact, maybe the default is for them to operate in a bureaucratic way, but I had thought there was a [14:29]
mircea_popescu decent chance that they’d think, “Oh cool, look at this kid trying to start a startup, good for him! Hm, he’s actually trying to do something that would be pretty useful. Let me check it out.” [14:29]
mircea_popescu And I when I asked people from my high school to answer questions and spread the word a bit, I thought that a bunch of them would have respect for what I’m doing and want to help out. Almost no one did, which I found to be quite selfish of them. I don’t think my initial expectations were too unreasonable given what I had known, but my beliefs have since been updated." [14:29]
mircea_popescu he even has an explanatory link on "selfish"! how endearing. [14:29]
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mircea_popescu Feb 279 min read << ahahaha a 10 minute read on the fucking clock is 279 minutes according to what the fuck is this ? us college reading comprehension data ? [14:31]
mircea_popescu << the butttears piece in question (obviously what he links is his own verbiage, because what, we can't all be mp ?! why the hell not!). his idea is that people are assholes because they don't front what [appears to him as] a small cost to them in order to get him [what appears to him as] a larger benefit. [14:33]
assbot My thoughts on Altruism — Medium ... ( ) [14:33]
mircea_popescu something like "why wouldn't mom go turn tricks for an hour each weekend, it only costs her an hour's worth of tricks, like 50 bucks or so, and she could buy me WoW from the proceeds, at a value to me of OVER NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS!11". supposedly this is how it worked with that dumb whore of Adam Zerner's mother. shame on you mrs zerner, really. being ugly is no excuse to fuck drunks. behold the unfortunate results in [14:35]
mircea_popescu adam! [14:35]
mircea_popescu at any rate, the notion that people are actively interested in oppressing his dumb ass so that their world isn't littered with the byproducts of a trillion adam zerners running around does not even begin to occur. [14:35]
mircea_popescu jesus that article. the amount of navelgrazing these nitwits will engage in baffles me. [14:39]
punkman 80% of the people are gonna spend 20 minutes on my stupid questions! [14:39]
mircea_popescu never has math been so cruelly raped as it has been since the web 2,0 made these shits fashionable (lesswrong, medium, tedtalks, the "webayesian" approach to pseudoscience and so forth). [14:40]
mircea_popescu "what do you mean the great equations don't apply to me ?! what, i'm like, not good enough to matter in this sense ?!?!?!" [14:40]
mircea_popescu Background: Dinnr was an ad-hoc, same day ingredient delivery service. Select a recipe on our website, and we deliver everything you need to cook that recipe at home, all the items pre-measured with printed instructions. All you need at home is oil, salt and pepper and a reasonably equipped kitchen.) [14:41]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would you not include pepper. i mean, leave aside all the other idiocies involved, why the FUCK would you not include the very few items that are already prepackaged for this and have been for 50 years. [14:42]
mircea_popescu 10k salt packs for a restaurant are like 60 bucks. [14:42]
mircea_popescu "In those days, I spent 9 hours a day, 6 days a week, sitting in a cold warehouse in West Acton, hot air blowers creating 25 degree bubbles around parts of my body in an otherwise 14–15 degree room. The large industrial fridges were empty. Long gone were the days I pre-stocked ingredients for faster order fulfillment. Now, when an order would come through, I would jump on my bike and buy fresh ingredients at a nearby [14:43]
mircea_popescu superstore. After 15 months of operations, we had approximately one order per day, generating on average £26 in revenue and supposedly 30% in gross margin, but given the low volumes, we were losing money on every order." [14:43]
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mircea_popescu "Now, with the distance of a few months, it sounds positively crazy to run a “business” like this. But of course, one sticks to the guns because one has set out to make things happen and one has an obligation to investors. And then there’s the adage of “a winner never quits”, tales of entrepreneur legends who lost all their money, got abandoned by family and friends, were so hungry that they ate cardboard, on [14:44]
mircea_popescu ly to triumph in the end and build a global empire." [14:44]
mircea_popescu uh this has never happened. who the fuck is he talking about ? [14:44]
mircea_popescu This will be the number one lesson I will never forget and the absolute key to understanding Dinnr’s failure — we were not solving anyone’s problem. I should have found that out in my initial market research, especially in my 1–1 interviews. [14:46]
mircea_popescu However, we committed the big mistake of presenting people with the idea and asking them if they liked it and would buy it. And when people said yes, WE thought they meant “launch it and I will buy”. In reality, they meant “I’m not entirely excluding the possibility that one day, when Ocado trucks run out of gas, supermarket doors get blocked by red-hot lava and restaurant waiters will, due to a mysterious leak [14:46]
mircea_popescu of radioactive fumes emanating from commercial kitchen equipment, all be zombified and eat patrons’ brains, yes, in that case I might be tempted to purchase a trial product from you. Once. Then I’ll take a risk with the zombies.” [14:46]
mircea_popescu kid's perhaps not so terrible as the usual medium fare, so [14:47]
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punkman 15 months of one order per day? [14:47]
mircea_popescu and at this juncture i'd like to inquire with the esteemed audience whether they'd allocate the "not as terrible as medium average" to the datapoint that he had 10's of k's of pounds to blow on this (ie, rich is not as stupid as poor, ceteris paribus) or to the fact that he's british (ie, pureblood is not as stupid as mongrels, ceteris paribus). [14:48]
mircea_popescu There never was a need for a service like ours in the UK in the segment that we picked (urban professionals, couples without kids or with one baby max). << ironically, the need does exist. argentina does one thing right, and that is they are FANATIC with deliveries. you can have ANYTHING delivered. i don't mean, walk into supermarket, order two pellets of mineral water and have the supermarket deliver it - you can do t [14:49]
mircea_popescu hat in romania too. [14:49]
mircea_popescu i mean... you can order magazines delivered by the little magazine stand. or flowers. ANY store, you walk in, you want delivery, they'll fucking deliver. [14:49]
mircea_popescu now, doing this efficiently, effectually and at scale is way beyond the intellectual wherewithal of argentines, but nevertheless, the need is there. [14:50]
punkman where are flowers not delivered even [14:50]
mircea_popescu but not by a service specialized in this, i mean. [14:50]
mircea_popescu a random two immigrant illegal stand here, will take orders. and walk them over. [14:51]
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punkman I even like the idea, I'd probably want to buy ingredients by the week [14:51]
mircea_popescu i don't like the idea because i send the girls. picking good stuff is complex. but yes, if they could be trusted to do something other than the usual anglosphere "this is how supermarket gets rid of all the imminetly-rotten junk", then yeah. [14:52]
mircea_popescu "You must never, ever, pitch the product to the customer and ask for their feedback. Instead, the conversation serves the purpose of ascertaining whether the lack of recipe diversity and frustration with takeaway food or ready meals is a big enough problem for which I offer a solution that they would pay for. To reach this conclusion, don’t ask about their future intentions (“would you buy this?”), but do ask abo [14:55]
mircea_popescu ut PAST behaviour: When was the last time they cooked something new? Do they dislike takeaway food? Do they feel bad about food wastage/spoilage? If so, what are they doing to minimize it? If nothing, it’s not a problem waiting for a solution." [14:55]
mircea_popescu that much is good advice. [14:55]
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mircea_popescu never ask people as to their intentions. nobody cares, least of all themselves. [14:55]
mircea_popescu "i intend to one day be a singer" is not how you get the fucking job. WHERE HAVE YOU SUNG BEFORE BITCH. that is it, that is all. [14:56]
ascii_field << how does either of these work ? [14:59]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 17:45:38; mircea_popescu: and at this juncture i'd like to inquire with the esteemed audience whether they'd allocate the "not as terrible as medium average" to the datapoint that he had 10's of k's of pounds to blow on this (ie, rich is not as stupid as poor, ceteris paribus) or to the fact that he's british (ie, pureblood is not as stupid as mongrels, ceteris paribus). [14:59]
ascii_field (idiot can get money, in 1,001 ways; and didn't we do 'inferior brit stock' untermenschen last night ?) [14:59]
mircea_popescu you gotta pick a heuristic, alfie. [15:00]
mircea_popescu otherwise your brain becomes a "phd castle to be manned by 9k phds" [15:00]
mircea_popescu you get a grand total of at most one. [15:00]
ascii_field i'm just not seeing the predicate here ('above median') as being true [15:00]
mircea_popescu ah. [15:00]
mircea_popescu fair enuf. [15:00]
ascii_field << i can get same-day delivery of, e.g., a box of five m3 nuts with matching bolts. BUT it has to be 'amazon' or costs $100 (vs $0) [15:02]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 17:48:02; mircea_popescu: i mean... you can order magazines delivered by the little magazine stand. or flowers. ANY store, you walk in, you want delivery, they'll fucking deliver. [15:02]
mircea_popescu ascii_field not quite the same thing. [15:02]
ascii_field (why there exists an 'amazon' which does this for ~$0 is a mystery, but here it is) [15:03]
ascii_field well yes, not quite the same thing! [15:03]
ascii_field but it makes that other thing impossible [15:03]
ascii_field (uncompetitive) [15:03]
mircea_popescu aha. [15:03]
mircea_popescu just another example of "revolutionized the world" being the worst outcome for the world. [15:04]
ascii_field this is more like mircea_popescu's article with the giant arse sitting down in small chairs [15:04]
ascii_field the interesting thing about 'amazon' is that no wallmartization is involved - it's the same items, delivered (typically) from 3rd parties, rather than specially-made egregious crud [15:05]
ascii_field but somehow a. struck deals with all of the major shipping corps [15:06]
ascii_field and blew up 'the curve' [15:06]
mircea_popescu there isn't really that much difference. all this mentally deranged "we are changing the world" third reiteration of the quaker/puritan insanities tries hard and in selected idiots manages to cover up the simple fact that every situation where "our saviour the entrepreneur created value" can always be described in terms of "this leech is arbitraging the roof against the wall, either wayy we'll end up under rubble." [15:06]
ascii_field to the point where i EXPECT a three dollar part to arrive sunday morning if ordered on friday night [15:06]
ascii_field for ~$0 [15:06]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it just happens to be a very good loss leader. you know how casinos will give you free drinks for as long as you're playing ? [15:07]
ascii_field the loss part is beyond dispute [15:07]
ascii_field but what's it a leader ~for~ ? [15:07]
mircea_popescu you can't run a bar by giving out free drinks. you CAN however, and if you have any sense you DO run a bar by giving away free tits. [15:07]
mircea_popescu being the marketplace. [15:08]
trinque bezos loves his razor-thin margins; there's a previous thread on this [15:08]
ascii_field classically, 'dumping' is supposed to have a ??? and then a 'profit!111' [15:08]
ascii_field i.e. the denoument [15:08]
mircea_popescu this is not dumping. [15:08]
mircea_popescu this is loss-leading. [15:08]
mircea_popescu trinque he has a point, too. [15:08]
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assbot Logged on 19-03-2015 06:38:14; mircea_popescu: they make corpses. [15:09]
mircea_popescu oh look at that, from back in the days ben_vulpes wasn't too ashamed of random mishap to show up in b-a ? :D [15:11]
mircea_popescu tell him it's ok trinque, we had our lulz. [15:11]
ascii_field l0l perhaps he's looking for a new irctron [15:11]
trinque heh, he's probably off cracking the whip [15:12]
trinque anyhow, we'll find out what he's up to on the next paste :D [15:12]
mircea_popescu lol [15:13]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: didja catch the turd last night re: grub2 ? [15:14]
ascii_field seems to explain a few things. [15:14]
mircea_popescu i saw it but i'm not persuaded it explains anything. what, exactly, someone can't just walk into the dc copy the server ? [15:15]
ascii_field this is simpler and automatable [15:15]
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ascii_field (via diddled kvm box) [15:15]
ascii_field resets, tries grub diddle via simulated keyboard, then proceeds [15:16]
ascii_field unlike burglary, it scales and is pencilneck-friendly [15:16]
ascii_field ergo quintessentially usgistic. [15:16]
mircea_popescu if it worked, they wouldn't be doing it 50 times. [15:16]
ascii_field many sploits are probabilistic [15:16]
mircea_popescu i mean don't get me wrong, it's a theory, but that's about it. [15:16]
mircea_popescu ascii_field if that were it the 50 times would take 1 minute. [15:17]
ascii_field i know of some which actually require 50+ shots [15:17]
punkman misconfiguration is not uncommon either [15:17]
ascii_field say a shot requires a reset. [15:17]
punkman (of attack tools) [15:17]
mircea_popescu punkman more common than the alternative, actually. [15:17]
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mircea_popescu let's have some reverse-fun [15:20]
mircea_popescu "If success is defined by creating awesome products, we created apps that have been downloaded 15 million times across iOS, Android, and the Mac App Store. If success is defined by people using the product, we still have over a quarter of a million users actively using our apps around the world. If success is defined by making money for the business, we put in our bank account $1 million in total revenue. If success is [15:20]
mircea_popescu defined by having investors believe in your team, your business, and your product, we successfully raised capital from the top super angel and angel investor in Silicon Valley. We are the first company from Vietnam that got accepted to the most prestigious accelerator program in the world. From 90 countries around the world, our Whiteboard app won No. 1 in the Dragon’s Den Pitching Competition by the World Bank’s [15:20]
mircea_popescu infoDev. We could list countless press and media coverage from all around the world. But here is what we could not do: we simply failed in creating a scalable business!" [15:20]
mircea_popescu anyone guess what these successes did ? [15:20]
mircea_popescu no googling. ima have breakfast then reveal. [15:20]
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trinque I'll wager it's a "take a picture of your whiteboard and d1g1t1z3 it" aka one bored afternoon's project. [15:42]
trinque reframes it back to a rectangle, lets you Tag and Share (TM) etc. [15:44]
mircea_popescu prety mu ch [15:47]
mircea_popescu seems to be a "interface your messaging apps" app. [15:47]
mircea_popescu the douche thinks this can be successful, in any sense. i rest. [15:47]
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BingoBoingo Look who went from blackmail to old fashioned scamming [17:00]
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BingoBoingo curious how long they take to BAN ME!111 omaigawds << You aren't looking in Missouri or Ohio? I though you were doing Anthropology, or Whaleology. [17:01]
BingoBoingo << amazing, also to fix "Virgina police" << fxd [17:06]
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ascii_field BingoBoingo et al: [17:08]
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ascii_field in other, glorious, lulz:^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet [17:10]
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punkman << wasn't he the guy selling a lot of discounted starbacks cards? [17:30]
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BingoBoingo lol [17:46]
ascii_field << mighty spiffy [17:54]
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ascii_field e.g., [17:54]
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ascii_field << the rest of'em [17:54]
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pete_dushenski "Boeing Co. fell after Delta Air Lines Inc. revealed it is purchasing a used 777 jetliner for $7.7 million, reviving concerns that plunging values for some wide-body models signal that the market is glutted." [18:43]
pete_dushenski "New 777-200ERs sold for $170 million 10 years ago. Factory-fresh versions list for $277.3 million before the discounts that are customary in the industry." [18:44]
pete_dushenski and here i was thinking that new cars were a raw deal... [18:44]
pete_dushenski ;;calc 7.7/277.3*100 [18:44]
gribble 2.77677605481 [18:44]
pete_dushenski you want to talk about razor-thin margins ? forget amazon, try air travel. [18:45]
pete_dushenski i was just comparing flights from edmonton to two different destinations for this winter, seattle and cancun, and found that flights were $500 per person regardless ! [18:47]
pete_dushenski needless to say, it's an easy choice. [18:48]
* pete_dushenski wonders if he'll run into mr. bitbetchamp aka thenewdeal down in mehico [18:48]
pete_dushenski << harvard campus gop response isn't quite as funny >> [18:49]
assbot Logged on 17-12-2015 20:07:53; ascii_field: in other, glorious, lulz:^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet [18:49]
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pete_dushenski but seriously, all that '^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet' shit breaks the url. [18:50]
trinque pete_dushenski: re: title being doubled, it's that way in the title tag of your feed. [18:59]
trinque probably due to some setting inside your blogotron [18:59]
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ascii_field BingoBoingo: wat [19:06]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Scammer got her actual "size" crowdsourced thanks to known size of laptop lid. That circus freak is basically the GAW miners of people incapable of reaching their genitals [19:08]
assbot Tess Holliday Responds to Scamming Accusations : ... ( ) [19:08]
pete_dushenski trinque: pretty sure you were right. tweaks made. we'll see how the next one goes :) [19:10]
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BingoBoingo ascii_field: Of course that fraud doesn't rise to Qntra levels until it issues an Altcoin to buy a scooty puff, or it can get a nickname like COD (short for cock and dog) mongler. [19:12]
BingoBoingo Or maybe CONDO for COck aNd DOg mongler. I dunno how the FBI names these people [19:13]
ascii_field dafuq is a 'scooty puff' [19:13]
ascii_field and do i want to know [19:13]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: THose things circus freaks ride around Walmart [19:14]
BingoBoingo Scooty, because it's a "mobility" scooter, puff because of the scents [19:15]
ascii_field ah [19:15]
pete_dushenski << true american innovation at work. tv show pauses when you fall asleep via sock-embedded sensors. [19:16]
assbot Netflix Socks - YouTube ... ( ) [19:16]
trinque pete_dushenski: << the first tag is the guy responsible. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958467" href="">19:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958468" href="">19:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">mhm. it's been summarily beleeted. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958469" href="">19:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">In other news it looks like the "Core" Bitcoin repository lost the only committer who resisted the Phorks! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958470" href="">19:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">gmaxwell (/u/nullc) no longer a bitcoin committer on github : Bitcoin ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958471" href="">19:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">might take a while to show up, the intertubes are full of netflix </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958472" href="">19:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">trinque blows down his end of the tube, hears a nice tone </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958473" href="">19:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << entemologist's guide to alf's neck of the woods </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958474" href="">19:20</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">The Encyclopedia of D.C. 2015: from pandas to pot to the pope, and everything in between - Washington City Paper ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958475" href="">19:20</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">trinque: you and your digiridoo </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958476" href="">19:20</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">'Because we live in a landlocked territory, District residents’ interest is piqued by any mention of a beach...' << holy fuck, did someone pull up the drain cork on the potomac river or what </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958477" href="">19:21</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">landlocked ?! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958478" href="">19:21</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">can the potomac fit cruise ship ? nimitz class ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958479" href="">19:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">mno </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958480" href="">19:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">only yachts </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958481" href="">19:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Can on still swim potomac like early presidents, or do they absorb too many rads doing so </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958482" href="">19:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">i can see hong kong being 'landlocked' but unless dc is surrounded by mountain ranges that i don't know about, i'm not sure i see it either </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958483" href="">19:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">ascii_field doesn't spend much time in d.c. city limits proper </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958484" href="">19:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << tibetans are government leeches who are unable to produce anything of value, but that doesn't stop them from topping all the 'happiness' indeces time and time again. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958485" href="">19:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Tibet’s Potemkin economy | Andrew Batson's Blog ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958486" href="">19:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">tibet - originally a theocratic hellhole that makes medival catholicism look tolerant and economically +ev - is today a usg-maintained 'antichina' </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958487" href="">19:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">"Government spending accounts for 40% of Tibet’s GDP, while 10-15% is the more usual level for other provinces. In a cyclical sense this is beneficial, as Tibet is hardly feeling the current slowdown at all: it reported 9.8% real GDP growth for the first three quarters of 2015. But the reason they’re not feeling the slowdown is that they didn’t have a real economy to begin with. It’s a bunch of civil servants </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958488" href="">19:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">asa, some investment projects done with central government money, and, sadly, not much else." </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958489" href="">19:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot removes voice from ascii_field </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958490" href="">19:36</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup"> </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958491" href="">19:37</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958492" href="">19:37</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">!up ascii_field </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958493" href="">19:37</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to ascii_field </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958494" href="">19:37</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">BingoBoingo: is that... real ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958495" href="">19:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">The ship shipping ship? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958496" href="">19:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">ya </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958497" href="">19:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Seems real. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958498" href="">19:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">lol. then nuts ! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958499" href="">19:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>adlai</b></td> <td class="breakup">sup dawg, i herd u liek boats </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958500" href="">19:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">pete_dushenski: I mean how else does Samsung get container boats from 2nd Korea to Shenzen? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958501" href="">19:48</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">a naive observer would think that container boats would, y'know, travel under their own power between the factory and its first loading dock </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958502" href="">19:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>adlai</b></td> <td class="breakup">it's all about fuel economies of scale, haven't you read your grukman? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958503" href="">19:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">next you're going to show me 777s strapped to the back of the spruce goose as it's delivered from oregon to dubai. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958504" href="">19:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>adlai</b></td> <td class="breakup">fwiw treaded vehicles (military or otherwise) routinely get trucked to the scene </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958505" href="">19:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Well, if the container ships are empty why would you burn fuel in all those motors capable of carrying loads instead of slowly floating them down on a pallet with one motor burning fuel </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958506" href="">19:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">It's not like 2nd Korea makes anything the Chicoms need other than more samsung boats to deliver Huawei and plasicrap </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958507" href="">19:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">adlai: because treaded vehicles are slow and thirsty, which, i guess container ships probably are too, at least compared to floating pallet. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958508" href="">19:55</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">BingoBoingo: skoreans do make a decent kimchi </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958509" href="">19:55</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">and maybe some tv's that can be reverse-engineered </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958510" href="">19:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">though neither is likely to fill every single samsung container ship, i grant. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958511" href="">19:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">China can't afford to have vegetables floated in. They gotta have rice and clenbuterol pork </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958512" href="">19:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << speaking of 2nd korea </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958513" href="">19:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">The employees shut inside coffins - BBC News ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958514" href="">19:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">"South Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, and workers often report feeling stressed. So in order to make people appreciate life, some companies are making employees take part in their own pretend funerals." << jenius ! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958515" href="">19:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot removes voice from ascii_field </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958516" href="">20:08</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">!up ascii_field </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958517" href="">20:10</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to ascii_field </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958518" href="">20:10</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">morenoh149 (~harrymore@ has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958519" href="">20:11</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">linton_s_dawson (linton_s_d@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-mphtffitealgkfsf) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958520" href="">20:14</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup"> (pdf) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958521" href="">20:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958522" href="">20:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup"> </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958523" href="">20:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958524" href="">20:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">or nm, looks like this was in the logz! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958525" href="">20:16</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">looks like shkreli's had his nose done at some point. and not particularly well either. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958526" href="">20:21</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">'done' with fist ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958527" href="">20:21</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">at police station ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958528" href="">20:21</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">'done' usually means scalpel in usistan </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958529" href="">20:22</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">" Argentina's peso plunged more than 26.5 percent on Thursday, after the country's new government floated the currency as part of a slew of free-market reforms aimed at revitalizing the stagnant economy." </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958530" href="">20:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">meanwhile, 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1' between two boxes which i control </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958531" href="">20:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ascii_field</b></td> <td class="breakup">pretty fascinating. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958532" href="">20:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">ascii_field has quit (Quit: Leaving) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958533" href="">20:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to jurov </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958534" href="">20:44</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>jurov</b></td> <td class="breakup"> to improve alf's sleep </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958535" href="">20:45</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">The Intercept ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958536" href="">20:45</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">based on alf's repeated references to gsm as 'toy crypto', i don't think he maintains any delusions about cell phone security </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958537" href="">20:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">and nor should anyone else who's done their 6 months </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958538" href="">20:48</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Murican Poverty: "Big Mamma is your ideal customer. Yes, she might eat an entire rotisserie chicken while her children devour a box of snacks. But not only will I look the other way, I’m willing to pay some retarded white guy $10 an hour to clean up her mess. She is the cash bomb. No customer, not Bill Gates or the Dyke Queen of West Germany spends as much money on retail food as Big Mamma. This is not calculated as a percentage </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958539" href="">20:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">of income, but in raw dollars." </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958540" href="">20:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">JL: Of Kings and Queens ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958541" href="">20:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">"Not only does Big Mamma spend twice as much money as the next closest customer, but her dollar is an impulsive dollar, which nets the grocer four times the profit of—the Korean or Hebrew dollar, for instance, and twice the profit as the Anglo or Hispanic dollar." </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958542" href="">20:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">^ From te department of cattle handling </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958543" href="">20:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup">"I am currently retired, simply stocking perishable groceries overnight two or three nights per week to make writing possible." << is that how retired works? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958544" href="">20:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>adlai</b></td> <td class="breakup">maybe it's the other kind, </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958545" href="">20:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Borat: "He is retard?" - YouTube ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958546" href="">20:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">punkman: Of course it is. USSA retired means You get 4 days a week off instead of just mebbe 2 </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958547" href="">20:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">TheAdversary has quit (Quit: Vidi, vici, veni.) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958548" href="">21:00</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">TheAdversary (~adversary@unaffiliated/hasimir/bot/theadversary) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958549" href="">21:01</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">Luke-Jr has quit (Excess Flood) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958550" href="">21:04</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958551" href="">21:04</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup"> </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958552" href="">21:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">A Scam of Galactic Proportions | Hackaday </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958553" href="">21:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">"But the White House got its figures from this website which admits, after much public scrutiny that followed getting picked up by the White House, to have gotten the math wrong by a factor of one hundred! We’re looking at much more like $8.1 quadrillion." </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958554" href="">21:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">harrymoreno (~harrymore@ has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958555" href="">21:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">morenoh149 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958556" href="">21:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">!up harrymoreno </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958557" href="">21:31</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to harrymoreno </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958558" href="">21:31</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">lol 'factor of one hundred' is OVERestimate </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958559" href="">21:33</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">which'd be the strict inverse of sop for mega-projects a la death star </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958560" href="">21:34</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">or, y'know, a la real mega-projects </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958561" href="">21:34</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Mebbe USG priced it with plans to actually take delivery, hence bezzle markup? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958562" href="">21:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">eg. three gorges </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958563" href="">21:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">politicians don't think in terms of delivery, they think in terms of re-election and passing-the-buck </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958564" href="">21:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">bureaucrats idem </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958565" href="">21:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>pete_dushenski</b></td> <td class="breakup">for usg to think that way for death star would be like han solo, in the middle of a fire fight, sitting down to pen a phd thesis on whether or not he should pull the laser trigger </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958566" href="">21:37</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">pete_dushenski to dinner. cheers ! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958567" href="">21:38</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">pete_dushenski has quit (Remote host closed the connection) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958568" href="">21:38</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">linton_s_dawson (linton_s_d@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-mphtffitealgkfsf) has left #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958569" href="">21:42</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">BingoBoingo thinks there is a difference between dam and "superweapon". Sure F-35 gets to be boondogle. Drones? Get delivered. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958570" href="">21:43</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup"> </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958571" href="">21:45</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958572" href="">21:45</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << at this point even children in zimbabwe likely know that not only does usg record every phone call in nato reich, but has been doing so since hdd platter cost fell to where it was economically feasible. but the portable mitm gadgets are for something else </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958573" href="">21:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 17-12-2015 23:45:23; pete_dushenski: based on alf's repeated references to gsm as 'toy crypto', i don't think he maintains any delusions about cell phone security </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958574" href="">21:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">they are partly so that local police precincts can join the party, partly to administer off-the-record rootkit installations, and partly for usg to circumvent own red tape ('parallel construct') </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958575" href="">21:48</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">;;later tell mircea_popescu << you forgot something quite important in there... </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958576" href="">21:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>gribble</b></td> <td class="breakup">The operation succeeded. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958577" href="">21:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 17-12-2015 16:05:12; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958578" href="">21:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << defective pic. the chick is still shaped quite like a human woman </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958579" href="">21:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 18-12-2015 00:43:28; BingoBoingo: </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958580" href="">21:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">ooj___ (5613ba41@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958581" href="">21:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform: Photopaint, same one from </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958582" href="">21:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958583" href="">21:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">ooj___ has quit (Client Quit) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958584" href="">21:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">There is a rabbit hole, or mebbe gravity well to fall into </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958585" href="">21:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">as i understand there is an inflection point where they can no longer walk much </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958586" href="">21:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">and after that, fatten to death </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958587" href="">21:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">according to dan mocsny's articles, normally there would be a feedback effect long before death where the afflicted would no longer be able to get food and would begin to grow thin </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958588" href="">22:00</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">but on the other hand, if an 'enabler' turns up </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958589" href="">22:00</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">and feeds/wipes arse/supplies money/etc </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958590" href="">22:01</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">then disease progresses. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958591" href="">22:01</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">partly the role of 'enabler' is played by the cheap personal auto in usa </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958592" href="">22:01</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot removes voice from harrymoreno </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958593" href="">22:02</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">This one is crashing into inflection point. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958594" href="">22:02</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">RagnarDanneskjo- is now known as RagnarDanneskjol </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958595" href="">22:04</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">RagnarDanneskjol has quit (Changing host) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958596" href="">22:04</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">RagnarDanneskjol (~RagnarDan@unaffiliated/ragnardanneskjol) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958597" href="">22:04</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">;;isup </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958598" href="">22:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>gribble</b></td> <td class="breakup"> is down </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958599" href="">22:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>shinohai</b></td> <td class="breakup"> ♭♪ "I shot the Sheriff ..." ♫ ♬ </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958600" href="">22:10</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Sheriff shoots his own hand, rushed to ER | Local News - KCCI Home ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958601" href="">22:10</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform hey listen, is there a russian source for this ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958602" href="">22:11</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Poezii și versuri: Poezia Ariciul-împărat - Otilia Cazimir ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958603" href="">22:11</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">asciilifeform digs </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958604" href="">22:11</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">also lol </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958605" href="">22:12</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">dpaste: 2832R4R ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958606" href="">22:12</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: ty </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958607" href="">22:12</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">and afaik there is no ru transl in public lit </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958608" href="">22:13</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">or waitamin... </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958609" href="">22:13</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">what's the vintage on that poem </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958610" href="">22:14</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">50s </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958611" href="">22:14</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">was mostly curious if she translated on the sly some previous ru text </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958612" href="">22:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">samO_ (~samO@unaffiliated/samo) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958613" href="">22:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">samO__ (~samO@unaffiliated/samo) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958614" href="">22:17</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: upon reading, seems almost certain. but i haven't the smoking gun in cache </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958615" href="">22:17</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">King_Rex has quit (Remote host closed the connection) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958616" href="">22:17</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">PeterL (~peterl@unaffiliated/peterl) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958617" href="">22:17</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152475 @ 0.00048446 = 73.868 BTC [-] {6} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958618" href="">22:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">King_Rex (~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958619" href="">22:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">samO has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958620" href="">22:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">hm. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958621" href="">22:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">well if it occurs lemme know. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958622" href="">22:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 935790 @ 0.00048945 = 458.0224 BTC [+] {26} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958623" href="">22:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1737 @ 0.00097238 = 1.689 BTC [-] {5} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958624" href="">22:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">samO_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958625" href="">22:20</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239400 @ 0.00049243 = 117.8877 BTC [+] {8} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958626" href="">22:20</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">King_Rex has quit (Remote host closed the connection) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958627" href="">22:20</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258401 @ 0.00048595 = 125.57 BTC [-] {5} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958628" href="">22:21</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145841 @ 0.00049381 = 72.0177 BTC [+] {5} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958629" href="">22:22</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: << closest thing i turned up </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958630" href="">22:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958631" href="">22:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221750 @ 0.00048435 = 107.4046 BTC [-] {6} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958632" href="">22:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">(variations on a theme) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958633" href="">22:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup"> hahaha </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958634" href="">22:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">some n-chan knockoff </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958635" href="">22:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">the poems are recited from '80s childhoods </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958636" href="">22:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.00048871 = 41.8824 BTC [+] {4} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958637" href="">22:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">kogo kogo, kosaya blyad hjaha not bad. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958638" href="">22:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">but notrly. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958639" href="">22:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 597830 @ 0.00048793 = 291.6992 BTC [-] {12} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958640" href="">22:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>deedbot-</b></td> <td class="breakup">[Qntra] Fake Star Wars Torrents Already Popping Up On Trackers - </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958641" href="">22:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Also Know as Qntra tries clickbait even though we stopped counting clicks </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958642" href="">22:26</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">harrymoreno has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958643" href="">22:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">we're no longer cunting clicks ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958644" href="">22:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: btw it wurks, about to start the terraform </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958645" href="">22:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">enjoy. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958646" href="">22:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">ty mircea_popescu ! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958647" href="">22:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: Not since quantcast ate one too many leaded paint chips </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958648" href="">22:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">but that was counting! this is my lame cunting joke! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958649" href="">22:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to PeterL </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958650" href="">22:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Oh, yeah. We don't cunt clicks either. We click cunts. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958651" href="">22:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">teh c-lick! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958652" href="">22:31</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">ofc </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958653" href="">22:34</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">"implying mastery of people seems both inappropriate and ill-founded" ?! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958654" href="">22:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">what the everloving fuck are they smoking over in the socialist republic of cambridge </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958655" href="">22:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << the real problem there is simple : what with all the tsa "ensuring everyone's safety", the cost of capital goods in the field fell to reflect the utility drop of the whole industry. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958656" href="">22:38</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 17-12-2015 21:41:35; pete_dushenski: "New 777-200ERs sold for $170 million 10 years ago. Factory-fresh versions list for $277.3 million before the discounts that are customary in the industry." </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958657" href="">22:38</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">pre-tsa a dollar was worth a dollar, and an airship capable of taking a few hundred people across the atlantic was worth a coupla hundred million dollars. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958658" href="">22:38</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">boeings fly outside of usaschwitz though </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958659" href="">22:38</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">post-tsa, a dollar is worth ten cents, and same exact airship is worth... ten million. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958660" href="">22:39</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">ah well that yes </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958661" href="">22:39</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">that's a 99.5% drop of value in 20 years. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958662" href="">22:39</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">just about par for the course for "government helped you" </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958663" href="">22:39</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">linton_s_dawson (linton_s_d@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-vyiunnlnxkjeuwbz) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958664" href="">22:39</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">i'd like to see what the floor is </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958665" href="">22:39</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>PeterL</b></td> <td class="breakup">so you can grab one to use as rocket? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958666" href="">22:40</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">you have already seen the floor. a bunch of hungry people in ugly cheap suits moving flimsy paper around, with stamp ink shortages, as in moscow 1985 </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958667" href="">22:40</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">or as a house </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958668" href="">22:40</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">(like one schmuck) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958669" href="">22:40</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">or a bunch of hungry chinese "courtiers" doing exactly the same, pre-british invasion </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958670" href="">22:40</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">linton_s_dawson (linton_s_d@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-vyiunnlnxkjeuwbz) has left #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958671" href="">22:41</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">history </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958672" href="">22:41</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958673" href="">22:41</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>PeterL</b></td> <td class="breakup">which book is it where Baba Yaga ends up living in an airplane? I think is was an Orson Scott Card thing? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958674" href="">22:41</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">BingoBoingo: ancient ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958675" href="">22:41</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">lol trivial. wut ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958676" href="">22:42</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform: yes, that one. Because nevar forget. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958677" href="">22:42</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">i've been in "every mainstream media" like they say. whatever the fuck that's worth. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958678" href="">22:42</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">(nothing, but people keep going on about the success it denotes or something) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958679" href="">22:42</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">BingoBoingo: 'never forget' has flipside - you're incrementing the buggers' refcounters </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958680" href="">22:42</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">keeping odin's great garbagecollector from doing its wurk </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958681" href="">22:42</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform wikipedia's finally getting garbage collected ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958682" href="">22:43</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform: But don't we need to track how many pinecones to plant in order to grow stakes? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958683" href="">22:43</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">not at this rate ! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958684" href="">22:43</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">heh </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958685" href="">22:44</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << wait, this self-parodic "Office of Equity, Diversity and Inclusion" thing actually exists ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958686" href="">22:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958687" href="">22:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">just how dumb are the sjws ?! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958688" href="">22:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: exists, see the graphic this one was parody of </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958689" href="">22:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">what does it do, weep whenever i say nigger ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958690" href="">22:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">expels folks ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958691" href="">22:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">hahahaha what@! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958692" href="">22:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">well they do a 'here's a chance to recant' thing first iirc </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958693" href="">22:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform: i'd like to see what the floor is << </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958694" href="">22:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958695" href="">22:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup">oh forgot 3 boeings in malaysia, fuck it I'll get new ones </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958696" href="">22:48</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">punkman: that's not a floor. any more than the 7+ abandoned houses on my street are a housing price floor </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958697" href="">22:48</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">(each and any one of them would still be 'worth' multiple 100K if anyone were to want to live there) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958698" href="">22:49</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">bezzlatron prevents price from falling past floor. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958699" href="">22:49</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">so bizarre that "the people" would want to "occupy wall street" instead of citizen deed themselves into any vacant property. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958700" href="">22:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">that would be revolutionary, and disrupting and whatnot : have a social media outlet where people can give themselves deeds for abandoned property, and everyone signs. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958701" href="">22:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Don't we have that already? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958702" href="">22:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: no usg deed, no city hookups </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958703" href="">22:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">dig latrine. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958704" href="">22:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">and wtf is a 'citizens deed' </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958705" href="">22:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">no such animal in usa afaik </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958706" href="">22:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">there are 'squatting laws' but they are written in such a way as to virtually NEVER apply </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958707" href="">22:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">what do you mean "no such animal" ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958708" href="">22:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">it just appeared. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958709" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">aha then dig latrine </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958710" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>PeterL</b></td> <td class="breakup">what are they gonna do, block your sewer? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958711" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">mno. because once an OVP movement shows up, the company either does the hookup or gets burned down. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958712" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">also the local police appear rather quickly (city inspects specifically for signs of squat) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958713" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">at least where i live. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958714" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">OVP! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958715" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">watched it happen, even </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958716" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00048334 = 25.3512 BTC [-] </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958717" href="">22:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">occupy vacant property. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958718" href="">22:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform: Maybe you just need a worse neighborhood? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958719" href="">22:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">BingoBoingo: ~i~ don't need this for anything. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958720" href="">22:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>PeterL</b></td> <td class="breakup">my sister-in-law has squatters living across the street from her </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958721" href="">22:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup"> </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958722" href="">22:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Occupy Homes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958723" href="">22:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform: What about less drafty workshop? Or Farm? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958724" href="">22:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">punkman: looks more like a 'prevent foreclosure' thing </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958725" href="">22:55</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">punkman: which is to say, defend the 'rights' of deadbeat 'buyers' </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958726" href="">22:55</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup">tomato, tomato </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958727" href="">22:55</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">BingoBoingo: and what would make the workshop mine vs belonging to the fella with one more rifle on his side ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958728" href="">22:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup">plenty of these movements in europe </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958729" href="">22:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">BingoBoingo: recall, i'm not mircea_popescu and do not have an army </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958730" href="">22:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">ben_vulpes (~user@unaffiliated/benkay) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958731" href="">22:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">i'm not even home much. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958732" href="">22:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform: Well, time to start introducing larger stray cats. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958733" href="">22:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">pete_dushenski </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958734" href="">22:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">dpaste: 2GDF3YB ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958735" href="">22:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform why is this discussion about you ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958736" href="">22:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to ben_vulpes </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958737" href="">22:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: it isn't, was answering subthread </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958738" href="">22:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 18-12-2015 01:52:25; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about less drafty workshop? Or Farm? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958739" href="">22:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">punkman note the "concept squatting". they're specifically NOT doing the right thing. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958740" href="">22:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">alf would suspect this is deliberate. maybe it is. maybe they're just as dumb as a box of rocks. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958741" href="">22:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">it sure as fuck was deliberate </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958742" href="">22:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">i went to one of the posh parties the 'ows' useful idiots had among their own number </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958743" href="">22:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">in the $maxint district of dc </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958744" href="">22:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00048332 = 25.471 BTC [-] {2} </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958745" href="">22:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">whole thing stank in no subtle way. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958746" href="">22:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">at any rate, the idea isn't to " attempts to prevent the foreclosure of people's homes". for one thing, you don't try, you do. for the other thing, you take every bit of real property the bank "owns" away from the bank. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958747" href="">22:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">fuck wallstreet, it's just a street. nobody cares. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958748" href="">22:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">take their houses. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958749" href="">22:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup"> </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958750" href="">22:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">. .. … + * + ::: Okupa! ::: & ::: Squat! ::: – * – ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958751" href="">22:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">aha. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958752" href="">22:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform he has a point when he says this is common in europe. it is. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958753" href="">22:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">aha recall kakobrekla's thread re: the burglar ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958754" href="">23:00</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">the one with riiiighttzzzz!!111 </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958755" href="">23:00</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">aha </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958756" href="">23:01</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup"> and to go with that </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958757" href="">23:02</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">How to squat ! | Many manuals for smooth and silent squatting ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958758" href="">23:02</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Squatters getting tips on occupying vacant homes right off the Internet | Q13 FOX News ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958759" href="">23:02</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup">right off the internets! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958760" href="">23:02</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">internet. not just for torrents. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958761" href="">23:02</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A HOUSE. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958762" href="">23:02</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">'i would if i could motherfuckerz' </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958763" href="">23:03</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">well... they got a manual. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958764" href="">23:03</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << is #b-a a theocratic hellhole by the same standard ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958765" href="">23:03</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup">sorted by country </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958766" href="">23:03</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 17-12-2015 22:25:37; ascii_field: tibet - originally a theocratic hellhole that makes medival catholicism look tolerant and economically +ev - is today a usg-maintained 'antichina' </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958767" href="">23:03</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: i'm unaware of anybody stuck in a dungeon or starvation peonage in #ba </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958768" href="">23:04</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">that's funny. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958769" href="">23:04</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">'“It’s not surprising to me that people publish stuff on the Internet. It’s surprising to me that people are reading that and assuming it’s true. The notion that you can just break into a house and pay a cable bill or two and somehow establish a right of ownership — that is false,” said Loeffler.' << lulzy, reminiscent of mircea_popescu's 'sovereign citizen' article </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958770" href="">23:05</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">how can a convention be false ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958771" href="">23:05</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">it's a fucking convention. the notion that you walk in and it's yours is neither falser nor truerer than the notion you say hi to a girl and she takes you to her place. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958772" href="">23:05</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">in the same way the 'sovereign citizen' thing </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958773" href="">23:05</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">i.e. the sheriff gets a call and the tanks come out. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958774" href="">23:05</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">yaya </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958775" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">until they don't. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958776" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">until. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958777" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup">or maybe you come out with the tank first </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958778" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">tanks are only useful if not used. they're the police equivalent of nuclear weapons. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958779" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: aha, they make a point of trotting them out in parade even </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958780" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">renart ( has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958781" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">i dunno why everyone acts like this 300 old bit of wisdom (in french) is novel. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958782" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">just like sov nukes </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958783" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">!up renart </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958784" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>-assbot-</td> <td class="breakup">You voiced renart for 30 minutes. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958785" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to renart </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958786" href="">23:06</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform obviously. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958787" href="">23:07</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ben_vulpes</b></td> <td class="breakup">!up renart </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958788" href="">23:07</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to renart </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958789" href="">23:07</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">no need, mircea_popescu. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958790" href="">23:07</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">but thank you. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958791" href="">23:07</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">what is this, socialism ? need ain't a consideration comrade. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958792" href="">23:07</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">ho ho ho </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958793" href="">23:07</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">ben_vulpes you saw punkman's application ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958794" href="">23:08</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << tracks are optimized for power. as opposed to speed. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958795" href="">23:08</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 17-12-2015 22:50:33; adlai: fwiw treaded vehicles (military or otherwise) routinely get trucked to the scene </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958796" href="">23:08</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << i should probably comment a little on this, seeing how i very much doubt anyone outside of actually fxing banks knows what all this is. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958797" href="">23:10</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 17-12-2015 23:24:37; pete_dushenski: " Argentina's peso plunged more than 26.5 percent on Thursday, after the country's new government floated the currency as part of a slew of free-market reforms aimed at revitalizing the stagnant economy." </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958798" href="">23:10</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">so : argentina has many problems, economically, all of which reduce to "it's a country of 40mn useless douches, of which ~10 mn pretend to live like they saw in various imported tv shows, while the country is unfit to even export raw meat, so it lost those contracts and is now exporting soy" </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958799" href="">23:11</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">the government has for many years run it very badly. specifically, instead of borrowing in europe and then pumping those resources into development in the huge provinces (argentina is much larger than europe), it borrowed in europe, squandered most of it for supporting the pretense of dumbass, worthless middleaged women, and a tiny sliver on buying cheap food for poor people to turn out the vote. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958800" href="">23:12</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">part and parcel of all this, a LOT of empty peso printing, creating immense piles of worthless pesos sloshing around. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958801" href="">23:12</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">because the stupidity of a typical argentine is only matched by his pretentiousness, this worthless paper issue did not result in much devaluation of the currency </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958802" href="">23:13</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">instead, it mostly went into a game of real estate musical chairs. everyone in buenos aires is a lawyer though nobody practices , and everyone owns property, which they keep trading to each other at ridiculous valuations. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958803" href="">23:13</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">meanwhile, the contact points with the outside economy are controlled as well as they can be (they can't be - most of the local trade is in the hands of the chinese, who own the proud but stupid argentine. whenever i want to move dollars, or to dispose of any other actyual economic or poltiical matters, i talk to an asian person. no exceptions. i wouldn't break a date with han because macri called, sort of thing) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958804" href="">23:14</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">now, the scam they had going was that they were paying the farmers 9 pesos to the dollar they got for the soy. because farmers are hostage, what are they gonna do, buy their own tanks ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958805" href="">23:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">meanwhile, the free rate in the black market was ~16. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958806" href="">23:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">this means the farmers were paying 50% tax on top of all the other taxes. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958807" href="">23:15</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">new government decided this nonsense can't caqrry on, and wants to liberalize the dollar. this, logically, would make the price drop. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958808" href="">23:16</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">specifically : if say peasants sell 1bn dollars worth of soy, and get 9bn pesos for it ; whereas dumbass middle aged women spend 100mn dollars on shoes and perfumes because they don't wish to admit to me they're subhuman, for which they pay 1.5bn pesos, </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958809" href="">23:17</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">should the damned thing liberalize the new price would be 1.1 bn dollars matching 10.5bn pesos, or roughly speaking... 10. a 40% drop from it's black market rate of 16. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958810" href="">23:17</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">this is why it's always a good idea to liberalize : the price on the black market ALWAYS drops as a result. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958811" href="">23:17</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">(this was counterintuitive to the grunts doing money changing in the street, we had a good laugh over steaks about it, when discussing venezuela's plans to the same thing. after it played out they decided i was a god. because hey, why admit you were wrong when you could think the guy who's right is simply supernatural) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958812" href="">23:18</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">NEVERTHELESS : in argentina, because of the immense real estate bezzle, and a 50 to 150 bn worth of inexistent real estate value that is looking to evaporate, </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958813" href="">23:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">i would estimate liberalization takes the peso to 25ish. that's 30% up not 40% down. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958814" href="">23:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">taking questions. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958815" href="">23:19</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">gabriel_laddel (~Brucio-85@unaffiliated/gabriel-laddel/x-9909917) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958816" href="">23:22</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">!up gabriel_laddel </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958817" href="">23:22</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958818" href="">23:22</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << whatever happened to sov ruble-style devaluations ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958819" href="">23:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 18-12-2015 02:16:41; mircea_popescu: NEVERTHELESS : in argentina, because of the immense real estate bezzle, and a 50 to 150 bn worth of inexistent real estate value that is looking to evaporate, </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958820" href="">23:23</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">the russkis are dumb, but not proud. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958821" href="">23:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">seems like just what the doctor ordered tho </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958822" href="">23:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">snip a zero or two. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958823" href="">23:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">it wouldn't do anything. the glut that has to unwind is rela estate, not cash. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958824" href="">23:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">and it will unwind. it must, currently everyone here thinks themselves MUCHricher than they are. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958825" href="">23:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">as a result they misperceive their incentives and lose out. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958826" href="">23:24</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">see poster discussion yest. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958827" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">asciilifeform begins to grasp </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958828" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">they gotta starve </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958829" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">and sell the flats for a week's meal </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958830" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">a la 1992 </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958831" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">pretty much. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958832" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">except they won't starve. nor would it do anything, it doesn't help the proud </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958833" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">didn't help? rinse, repeat </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958834" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">but when they discover they can't afford both underwear AND stockings, THAT is wqhen the stupid women running the show start getting open plam slapped across the diner table. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958835" href="">23:25</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">though didn't they have an episode in 2001 </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958836" href="">23:26</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">which IS exactly what argentina needs. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958837" href="">23:26</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">renart looks forward to buying flats in args for a weeks worth of local wages </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958838" href="">23:26</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform hafta understand, it's not russia. it has no industry. AT ALL. it's one large farm. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958839" href="">23:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">what hruschev wanted to make of ukraina IS actually what the brits made of argentina. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958840" href="">23:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">where you from renart ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958841" href="">23:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">run a whois on this nick yet? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958842" href="">23:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">mnope </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958843" href="">23:27</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">ah jesus i thought freenode's nick grouping actually worked </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958844" href="">23:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ben_vulpes</b></td> <td class="breakup">c'est moi </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958845" href="">23:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">aok </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958846" href="">23:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">renart: unlikely that anybody who uses word 'wage' to describe his money will afford so much as half a flat in ar </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958847" href="">23:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">ever </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958848" href="">23:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">it's renard you know </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958849" href="">23:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">american speculators will snap it up. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958850" href="">23:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">(folks with serious dough) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958851" href="">23:28</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform nah, you're behing the curve. the chinese will. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958852" href="">23:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958853" href="">23:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958854" href="">23:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00048672 = 29.6899 BTC [+] </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958855" href="">23:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">american speculators will get fucked in the ass, publicly, and write their senator to complain </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958856" href="">23:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">via </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958857" href="">23:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: aha likely </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958858" href="">23:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">but at any rate it won't be me or renart or any other wage worker </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958859" href="">23:29</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">it could be, if you lived here. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958860" href="">23:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">wage worker, huh? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958861" href="">23:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">but otherwise... no. you ain't got an angle. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958862" href="">23:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">how does living there change the game ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958863" href="">23:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">price tag is price tag </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958864" href="">23:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">dbclk (~dbclk@ has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958865" href="">23:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup"> << quite. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958866" href="">23:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 17-12-2015 23:48:37; BingoBoingo: Murican Poverty: "Big Mamma is your ideal customer. Yes, she might eat an entire rotisserie chicken while her children devour a box of snacks. But not only will I look the other way, I’m willing to pay some retarded white guy $10 an hour to clean up her mess. She is the cash bomb. No customer, not Bill Gates or the Dyke Queen of West Germany spends as much money on retail food as Big Mam </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958867" href="">23:30</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform there is no such thing as "a price tag". this is an ex-post-facto calculation. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958868" href="">23:31</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">similarly, there is not such a thing as "what it takes TO bed beautiful women". </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958869" href="">23:31</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">but i don't get how living there gives you an edge </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958870" href="">23:31</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">when bidding </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958871" href="">23:31</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">and in an anarchodegringolade, squatters would just take whatever </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958872" href="">23:31</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Have to be there to be first with rifle on scene </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958873" href="">23:32</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">platoon </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958874" href="">23:32</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup"><asciilifeform> but i don't get how living there gives you an edge << obviously you never lived in new york. ask mike_c </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958875" href="">23:32</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">living there gives you an edge. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958876" href="">23:32</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">but an edge that is bigger than the financial edge chinese gov has over a usaschwitz peon ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958877" href="">23:33</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">of a different kind. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958878" href="">23:34</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">"is a jagers unit more valuable than a cavalry unit ?" </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958879" href="">23:34</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">depends, yo. got anything to charge ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958880" href="">23:34</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">the thing about living there is . it'd be spiffy except that i'm an instant candidate to ~join~ the folks selling their flats to buy food </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958881" href="">23:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Logged on 15-12-2015 19:39:41; ascii_field: well i'd happily move if i were 1337 enough to take the gradient, rather than BE the fuel </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958882" href="">23:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">gotta build yerself a castle, mr wannabe margrave lord. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958883" href="">23:35</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">trying to inhabit a mircea_popescu gedankenexperiment is rather like trying to fly a martian ship with cockpit built for a man with seven arms </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958884" href="">23:36</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">ahbahaha </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958885" href="">23:36</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">no more shiva ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958886" href="">23:36</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">shiva has many arms but they're only good at lifting massless things </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958887" href="">23:36</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot removes voice from renart </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958888" href="">23:37</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">"Supermarkets cannot stay open in extensive urban ghettos for multiple reasons. It might also surprise you to know that supermarkets that do not embrace a catering/restaurant program [which is expensive] do not thrive in upscale locales. You might be able to keep the doors open—but forget a profit. People with money make their food purchases at restaurants. You didn't buy that stunning piece of plastic surgery to hav </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958889" href="">23:40</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">e her tits melt in the kitchen, did you?" <<< aaactually... yes, i did. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958890" href="">23:40</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">but yeah, the supermarket model is on its way out - and thanks fucking god. it was stupid. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958891" href="">23:40</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">"Basically, supermarkets just provide local jobs. The CEOs of grocery chains are among the lowest paid of their kind." << exactly. government clerks. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958892" href="">23:41</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">sov institutions are not any different by virtue of being lifted up and dropped on other side of atlantic </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958893" href="">23:41</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">renart ( has left #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958894" href="">23:42</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">"There is no requirement to buy ten, but raising retails from 89-cents to 10 for $10 increases sales from a case to a pallet on most items, when you have the right customer base..." << which reminds me of a point i wanted to make. yo ben_vulpes it's pretty dumb to offer grunt 30. offer 28.75. for one thing, it makes it look like real thought went into all that precision, and the sort of dickless imbecile he is will spe </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958895" href="">23:44</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">nd more time trying to figure out why than argue with you about it. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958896" href="">23:44</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">the more important thing is the issue of [stupid] brains and thresholds. 30 is just above one, makes him feel like he's worth more. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958897" href="">23:44</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">28.75 is just below one, makes him feel like he's fucking lucky to get there. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958898" href="">23:44</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">moreover, if you raise 30 to 32 in negotiation, he'll deduce h's worth 100. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958899" href="">23:45</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">meanwhile, if you go 28.75 to 29.45 he'll deduce he's lucky to get 15. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958900" href="">23:45</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">and yes asciilifeform, part of why mp is not hiring is that mp despises how stupid people actually are, and can't seriously work with the sort of idiots. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958901" href="">23:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: hourly wage with >1 significant figure is declasse in usa </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958902" href="">23:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">pff. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958903" href="">23:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">just a piece of koooltooral trivia. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958904" href="">23:46</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">unless classee IS PAYING YOU, like the fucking tsarist nobility was being paid by the fucking tsar to participate, </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958905" href="">23:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">nobody ain't got any time for it., </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958906" href="">23:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">also if i had to guess, mr. 30 did not negotiate. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958907" href="">23:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">that class of folks typically doesn't dare. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958908" href="">23:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">just happy to eat. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958909" href="">23:47</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">and mircea_popescu aint' gotta hire anybody if he doesn't want to. but it ~is~ possible to hire nonstupid people </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958910" href="">23:48</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">no. it is not possible to hire nonstupid people. the very definition of hiring includes "i am too dumb to live" </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958911" href="">23:48</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">ah i almost forgot that i were too dumb to live, eh </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958912" href="">23:49</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">carry on </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958913" href="">23:49</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">all you can do with nonstupid people is partner, which is why this entire all-consuming "start-up culture" </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958914" href="">23:49</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">under all the dumbass kid crud, there's a good reason. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958915" href="">23:49</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform i'm certainly not hiring you wtf. that'd be sad. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958916" href="">23:50</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">ah no not mircea_popescu </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958917" href="">23:50</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ben_vulpes</b></td> <td class="breakup">lol asciilifeform as pet </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958918" href="">23:50</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ben_vulpes</b></td> <td class="breakup">what a sight </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958919" href="">23:50</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">fancy that. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958920" href="">23:50</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">he'd have to wear the fancy hat, too. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958921" href="">23:50</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">just in abstract, i do wurk as a hired man </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958922" href="">23:50</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">was hired quite recently by new $firm, start in ~week </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958923" href="">23:50</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">well hopefully you grow out of it. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958924" href="">23:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">aha. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958925" href="">23:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">renart (~reynard@unaffiliated/benkay) has joined #bitcoin-assets </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958926" href="">23:51</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">What is more, this lady has poor impulse control, exasperated by her once a month windfall, << exacerbated, exasperated, what the hells the difference! </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958927" href="">23:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>ben_vulpes</b></td> <td class="breakup">!up renart </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958928" href="">23:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot gives voice to renart </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958929" href="">23:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">assbot removes voice from gabriel_laddel </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958930" href="">23:52</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">mircea_popescu: i don't think made it to your shartup postmortem list </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958931" href="">23:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">asciilifeform will be doing some pretty odd work, involving maths </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958932" href="">23:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Why Rdio died | The Verge ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958933" href="">23:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">possibly not, i only skimmed. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958934" href="">23:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">exasperbated >> masturabated from exasperation ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958935" href="">23:53</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">frusturbation </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958936" href="">23:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">...exasperated from masturbating? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958937" href="">23:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">gabriel_laddel has quit (Remote host closed the connection) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958938" href="">23:54</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>renart</b></td> <td class="breakup">exhausturbation <<using CO </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958939" href="">23:55</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">BingoBoingo had a photo </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958940" href="">23:55</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">renart has quit (Quit: Leaving) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958941" href="">23:55</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Which one? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958942" href="">23:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">the truck-fucker </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958943" href="">23:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">I had lots of photos </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958944" href="">23:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>BingoBoingo</b></td> <td class="breakup">Aha </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958945" href="">23:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">" Its secret: free on-demand streaming, supported by advertising. By contrast, Rdio required a paid subscription." </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958946" href="">23:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">why the fuck do they stick the "marketing" in there ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958947" href="">23:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">no marketing was involved. lizard king of ustardia threw the dart, picked one that gets the free shit for free </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958948" href="">23:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">everyone else gotta pay retail, and who;'s gonna pay retail ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958949" href="">23:56</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">related, 'grooveshark' (similar) was in the corpse list </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958950" href="">23:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>punkman</b></td> <td class="breakup"> </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958951" href="">23:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">and iirc the owner offed himself </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958952" href="">23:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Copyright tribunal slaps Pandora with 20 percent rate increase [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958953" href="">23:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">(or nailgunned, take yer pick) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958954" href="">23:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">!s grooveshark </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958955" href="">23:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">6 results for 'grooveshark' : </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958956" href="">23:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">da fuck is a "copyright tribunal" </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958957" href="">23:57</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup"> </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958958" href="">23:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">Grooveshark Cofounder Dead at 28 | Qntra ... ( ) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958959" href="">23:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">asciilifeform this is particularly a difficult industry for me because i never listen to the radio ; i never commute ; if i do i use a towncar and have live people to talk to ; etc. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958960" href="">23:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">(resembled 'pandora', but was ~searchable~ - just type in the name of whatever, song, band, etc. and it plays. no ads. no business model...) </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958961" href="">23:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">so ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958962" href="">23:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">why the fuck would i care. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958963" href="">23:58</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>asciilifeform</b></td> <td class="breakup">no reason other than previous link being a similar thing </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958964" href="">23:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>mircea_popescu</b></td> <td class="breakup">yeah i know, i'm just deploring my own sad situation here. </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958965" href="">23:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">mircea_popescu perceives absolutely no value in any of these. last i had any interest, it was a winamp install. 20 years ago or so ? </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958966" href="">23:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td>*</td> <td class="breakup"><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">asciilifeform 's commute for past ~year consists 100% of by weight </td> <td><span style="color:#d3d3d3;">[<a id="1958967" href="">23:59</a>]</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><b>assbot</b></td> <td class="breakup">... 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