Forum logs for 15 Nov 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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phf http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.08555.pdf "Why Johnny Still, Still Can’t Encrypt: Evaluating the Usability of a Modern PGP Client". wtf is the point of these "studies"? "We elected to test Mailvelope, a modern PGP tool, for our study. Mailvelope is a browser extension that integrates with users’ webmail systems." "Participants were allocated sixty minutes to com- plete the study, with about 35-40 minutes spent using Mail- velope." [00:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE1Xgz ) [00:06]
asciilifeform old nyooz [00:06]
phf couldn't find it in logs, but i'm fascinated by this "research". top comment on lobste.rs where it got posted links to http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html which was pretty discussed. "there's consensus!" somebody ought to publish meta study of "gpg poor usability" [00:08]
assbot A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE27o9 ) [00:08]
phf *was previously [00:08]
pete_dushenski this disinfo is at least as old as Alma Whitten and J. D. Tygar 1999. Why Johnny can’t encrypt: A usability evaluation of PGP 5.0. if not older [00:21]
pete_dushenski ref 10 in 'paper' [00:22]
mircea_popescu "usability" is a concern for cryptographic systems like "glaring absence of shit stuck on all sides of rifle" is a concern for kalashnikov design. [00:22]
pete_dushenski 'need more dildo for userbase!' [00:22]
mircea_popescu "Except maybe not: if you happen to do this with GnuPG 2.0.18 -- one version off from the very latest GnuPG -- the client won't actually bother to check the fingerprint of the received key. A malicious server (or HTTP attacker) can ship you back the wrong key and you'll get no warning. This is fixed in the very latest versions of GPG but... Oy Vey." [00:23]
mircea_popescu the conclusion is remarkably not "pgp 2.x is a scam" [00:23]
mircea_popescu but "pgp is bad" which was the entire point of the 2.x branch of "developlent" in the first fucking place. [00:24]
mircea_popescu the only conclusion of that piece of nonsense is that Matthew Green must die. nothing more. [00:24]
asciilifeform !s johnny encrypt [00:24]
assbot 2 results for 'johnny encrypt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=johnny+encrypt [00:24]
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mircea_popescu "(Let's not get into the NSA's collect-it-all policy for encrypted messages. If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP.)" << yeah, right. THAT is why i read their stuff and they don't read my stuff, because i take advice from john hopkins fucktards. [00:25]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/26/infosec-education-because-stephane-bortzmeyer-is-lazy-and-im-not-2/ << matthew green referenced in here, as is that 1999 'johnny' article [00:26]
assbot InfoSec Education: Because Stéphane Bortzmeyer Is Lazy. And I'm Not. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE2YFl ) [00:26]
mircea_popescu phf it's research in the sense "earth sciences" are research. [00:26]
mircea_popescu "let's pretend like the patently untrue bullshit we want to push is not arbitrary but necessary" [00:27]
mircea_popescu the principal sleigh of hand here is the implication, unspoken but universally pushed, that you would want "automatic" encryption. ie somehow the "standard" shouild be a "browswer extension" or other such crap. [00:29]
mircea_popescu never trust a man that does automatic cryptography. [00:29]
pete_dushenski "Some derp at John Hopkins University, who calls himself a “Cryptographer and Research Professor” instead of the more apt “USG mole.”" << lel. my footnoted description of mr. green. [00:30]
pete_dushenski maybe he was just following orders, maybe he didn't know better, but he still sucks and he's still a fraud. [00:31]
pete_dushenski 'if you see a fraud and don't call him a fraud, you're a fraud' (tm) (herr taleb) [00:32]
BingoBoingo Looks like Mizzou's whatever problems will resolve soon. 10 point lead with less than 10 minutes on the clock [00:32]
phf i've not looked at the original why johnny can't, but after my recent in-depth exposure to "conscientious programmers" rabbit hole decided to look at the paper's methodology. linked arxiv is a new addition to the subject, oct 29th [00:33]
pete_dushenski "The NFL says it will increase security inside and outside its stadiums for Sunday's games, two days after the Paris terrorist attacks." << lolwut. dear nfl: you're irrelevant. not even isis cares about you. don't waste your breath and your money chasing away your remaining fans by making irl games even MORE of a hassle to attend. [00:34]
pete_dushenski as if waiting 4 hours in a stand-still parking lot after a 100`000 doods and doodettes clear a stadium wasn't disincentive enough to stay at home and order pizza, moar sekoority should seal it [00:35]
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phf from the same muppets, "Confused Johnny: When Automatic Encryption Leads to Confusion and Mistakes", "This paper gives an overview of Pwm (Private Webmail), our secure webmail system that uses security overlays to integrate tightly with existing webmail services like Gmail. Pwm’s security is mostly transparent, includ- ing automatic key management and automatic encryption." ... "A key escrow server handles key management. ... The [00:44]
phf disadvantage of key escrow is that the key es- crow server has access to users’ keys, which is a recognized trade-off to get the other usability benefits" [00:44]
phf and to tie it all nicely, latest muppet lab announcement, http://isrl.byu.edu/506-2/ "Kent Seamons and Daniel Zappala received an NSF grant for Middleware for Certificate-Based Authentication. This is a three-year award for $496,900. The goal of this research is to develop a trust platform that consolidates the decision-making process into a single location to provide a correct, consistent, and usable service for all existing and [00:45]
phf future applications." [00:45]
assbot New NSF Grant Received | Internet Security Research Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1QE3Tpd ) [00:45]
* pete_dushenski is off. bon soir a tous ! [00:45]
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mircea_popescu mmkay. [00:55]
mircea_popescu im gonna give out a whole milion eulora coppers. which are actually backed by more substance than usdollars. [00:56]
mircea_popescu just need to find sometrhing to study. [00:56]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324679 << i found that 1.x is also pretty sad. [00:58]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 03:20:51; mircea_popescu: the conclusion is remarkably not "pgp 2.x is a scam" [00:58]
asciilifeform in most of the same ways, also. [00:58]
asciilifeform but at least 1.x doesn't (i shit thee not) invoke x11 crud [00:59]
mircea_popescu aha. [01:00]
phf is that for password entry, or something else? [01:00]
asciilifeform it [01:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324698 << usg ! implementing the t3rr0ristz!!111 winning since '01 ! accept no substitute !11 [01:02]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 03:32:42; pete_dushenski: as if waiting 4 hours in a stand-still parking lot after a 100`000 doods and doodettes clear a stadium wasn't disincentive enough to stay at home and order pizza, moar sekoority should seal it [01:02]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324696 << it is generally safe to 'set the bozo bit' on the whole gaggle of idiots [01:03]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 03:30:48; phf: i've not looked at the original why johnny can't, but after my recent in-depth exposure to "conscientious programmers" rabbit hole decided to look at the paper's methodology. linked arxiv is a new addition to the subject, oct 29th [01:03]
asciilifeform i'll consider reading a paper with actual maths/algo but anything else now tends to fall into 'entomology' [01:03]
asciilifeform which i try to leave to the mega-entomologists [01:04]
phf this is the default approach, but i've never looked at this sort of papers before. it's more like a shimmering mound that you saw from the window of your house upon closer inspection turned out a pile of shit covered in flies. "omg there's shit everywhere! and flies!" [01:07]
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BingoBoingo Mizzou beats BYU 20-16, expect the drama in Missouri to stop being news, or at least stop being local news [01:10]
mircea_popescu why ? [01:10]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324570 << thinking more about this, it simply gotta be a forgery. nobody could actually be this stupid [02:07]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 01:18:00; mircea_popescu: maybe i'm not holding it the right side up or something. [02:07]
asciilifeform not even a usg directorate [02:07]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324238 << this is catastrophically wrong, in that modern testing is almost entirely gc/ms which - yes - tests for 'all at once' - you don't need moar blood to look for additional peaks in the plot [02:13]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 22:40:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324119 << there is a very strict limit for testing, specifically that you can't test without reagent, and the reagent must react with something. ergo every single substance tested requires some blood. you can't take eight pints out of athletes, much less infinity pints, so you can't test for infinity things. [02:13]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324703 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-11-2015#1318921 [02:20]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 03:42:10; phf: and to tie it all nicely, latest muppet lab announcement, http://isrl.byu.edu/506-2/ "Kent Seamons and Daniel Zappala received an NSF grant for Middleware for Certificate-Based Authentication. This is a three-year award for $496,900. The goal of this research is to develop a trust platform that consolidates the decision-making process into a single location to provide a correct, consistent, and [02:20]
assbot Logged on 06-11-2015 22:08:54; ascii_field: 'Ministers have no plans to ban sex because it has an important role in the protection of legitimate economic activity such as creating bank users and lottery players. But there is concern over some aspects of so-called end-to-end fuck where only the thruster and recipient of thrust can feel it.' [02:20]
punkman guten tag [02:24]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324459 << I think main use was repair and modifications [02:28]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 00:32:21; mircea_popescu: it is a craft tho, the expectation you spend the 1500 dm and wife can now make clothes is out of place. [02:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not afaik. [02:35]
mircea_popescu for one thing, complex organic molecules don't mass spectrometry so well. [02:36]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/52be874528a8c31822eba36e6e23d4bc/tumblr_n71r35HBo81r59rt8o1_1280.jpg [02:41]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the metabolites gc/ms great. [03:15]
asciilifeform (though - naturally - depends on ~what~) [03:15]
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mircea_popescu right ? [03:40]
mircea_popescu plenty of stuff goes away in hours. [03:40]
punkman speaking of volatile compounds, just tasted very fresh batch of olive oil (~12 hours) [03:46]
punkman pretty good [03:47]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324494 << i think this is "piece work" in usa [06:00]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 00:46:50; mircea_popescu: the truth of this point can be appreciated by the incredible expansion of lohn in the 90s in eeu. [06:00]
ben_vulpes except that mandating use of specific materials seems to specifically exclude it from being called piece work. [06:01]
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shinohai http://cointelegraph.com/news/115645/bitcourt-of-argentina-to-validate-diplomas-on-the-blockchain [06:28]
assbot BitCourt of Argentina to validate diplomas on the Blockchain ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxD9Bo ) [06:28]
shinohai Everything is done client-side with JavaScript, but document backups are of course needed. <<< kek [06:28]
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BingoBoingo why ? << Because civil unrest is for University with losing teams [07:31]
BingoBoingo Beer and circuses [07:37]
BingoBoingo Also those college activists really know how to hurt their cause http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/14/mizzou-campus-activists-and-black-lives-matter-complain-about-paris-stealing-the-spotlight/ [07:42]
assbot Mizzou Activists Complain About Paris Stealing the Spotlight ... ( http://bit.ly/1lpGj3D ) [07:42]
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kakobrekla https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport [10:26]
assbot Windows 3.1 Is Still Alive, And It Just Killed a French Airport | VICE News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPJpnz ) [10:27]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes aha. also piece work is a deal with individuals, this involves an [ex soviet] factory usually. [11:35]
mircea_popescu shinohai are these the same imbeciles of inexistent "bitcoin embassy" fame or a new crop of hollow if pretentious garglemeisters ? [11:35]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla oh i see, THERE it's about the version. if it were a different version than 3.1 it'd have been fine, because windows is usgtronics. MEANWHILE the problems with gpg-hijacked are really problems WITH PGP. [11:36]
mircea_popescu live and learn. [11:37]
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shinohai Looks like a new crop, but may have received 3-d printed diplomas from "Crypto University" at the Embassy. [11:37]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know, just because "the press" that got kicked off campus is claiming some derps as representative for a group they hate doesn't mean all that much. [11:37]
mircea_popescu i can also interview mental patients and then transcribe the results and publish them as "the crazy ramblings of us libertards". this is probably more factual than the breitbart butthurt. [11:38]
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mircea_popescu !ticker [11:50]
assbot These beans is shit. [11:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [11:50]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 322.2, Best ask: 323.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.81000, Last trade: 322.76, 24 hour volume: 24522.27851091, 24 hour low: 315.0, 24 hour high: 340.36, 24 hour vwap: None [11:50]
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BingoBoingo i can also interview mental patients and then transcribe the results and publish them as "the crazy ramblings of us libertards". this is probably more factual than the breitbart butthurt. << Seems valuabru [12:45]
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mircea_popescu lol [12:52]
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BingoBoingo Anyways the Mizzou stuff seems set to do the long drawn out irrelevance thing now as occupy did, unless they do some actual rioting [13:04]
mircea_popescu they got the recipe, time for butt meet work, work meet butt. [13:07]
mircea_popescu in other win, [13:07]
mircea_popescu “Those who organized, who perpetrated the attacks are the very same people who the refugees are fleeing and not the opposite,” Agence-France Presse quoted Mr. Juncker as saying. “And so there is no need for an overall review of the European policy on refugees.” [13:07]
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btcdrak https://twitter.com/btcdrak/status/665920298789830658 [13:12]
mircea_popescu "Dans deux mois, l'Algérie élira ses représentants dans les mêmes conditions que le fera la métropole. Mais, il faudra qu'au moins les deux tiers de ses représentants soient des citoyens musulmans. Autre chose se rapporte à l'avenir. L'avenir de l'Algérie, de toute façon, parce que c'est la nature des choses, sera bâti sur une double base, sa personnalité et sa solidarité étroite avec la métropole frança [13:16]
mircea_popescu ise. Alors, me tournant vers ceux qui prolongent une lutte fratricide, qui organisent en métropole de lamentables attentats, qui répandent à travers les chancelleries, les officines, les radios, les feuilles publiques de certaines capitales étrangères, les invectives qu'ils adressent à la France. Je leur dis à ceux-là : pourquoi tuer ? Il faut faire vivre. Pourquoi détruire ? Le devoir est de construire. Pourq [13:16]
mircea_popescu uoi haïr ? Il s'agit de coopérer. Cessez ces combats absurdes, et aussitôt, on verra l'espérance refleurir partout, sur les terres de l'Algérie. On verra se vider les prisons, on verra s'ouvrir un avenir assez grand pour tout le monde, en particulier pour vous-mêmes. Et puis, m'adressant, m'adressant à tels Etats qui jettent ici de l'huile sur le feu, tandis que leur peuple douloureux halètent sous les dictatur [13:16]
mircea_popescu es, je leur déclare : Ce que la France est en mesure d'accomplir ici, ce que la France seulement est en mesure de réaliser, pouvez-vous le faire vous autres ? Non. Alors ? Alors, laissez faire la France, à moins que vos calculs ne vous forcent à envenimer les déchirements pour donner le change sur vos propres embarras. Mais les haineuses excitations, dans l'état où est le monde, à quoi peuvent-elles conduire si [13:16]
mircea_popescu non au cataclysme universel. Devant la race des hommes aujourd'hui, il n'y a que deux routes : la guerre ou la fraternité. En Algérie comme partout, la France, pour sa part, a choisi la Fraternité. Vive la République, vive l'Algérie et la France !" [13:16]
BingoBoingo btcdrak: ty, do you want to do a qntra on it? [13:16]
btcdrak BingoBoingo: I would love too, finding time is the problem atm. [13:17]
BingoBoingo btcdrak: k [13:17]
mircea_popescu this, of course, followed the next year by [13:21]
mircea_popescu " C’est très bien qu’il y ait des Français jaunes, des Français noirs, des Français bruns. [13:21]
mircea_popescu Ils montrent que la France est ouverte à toutes les races et qu’elle a une vocation universelle. Mais à condition qu’ils restent une petite minorité. Sinon, la France ne serait plus la France . Nous sommes quand même avant tout un peuple européen de race blanche, de culture grecque et latine et de religion chrétienne. [13:21]
mircea_popescu Qu’on ne se raconte pas d’histoire ! Les musulmans, vous êtes allés les voir ? Vous les avez regardés avec leurs turbans et leurs djellabas ? Vous voyez bien que ce ne sont pas des Français. Ceux qui prônent l’intégration ont une cervelle de colibri, même s’ils sont très savants. Essayez d’intégrer de l’huile et du vinaigre. Agitez la bouteille. Au bout d’un moment, ils se sépareront de nouveau. [13:21]
mircea_popescu Les Arabes sont des Arabes, les Français sont des Français. Vous croyez que le corps français peut absorber dix millions de musulmans, qui demain seront vingt millions et après-demain quarante ? Si nous faisions l’intégration, si tous les Arabes et les Berbères d’Algérie étaient considérés comme Français, comment les empêcherez-vous de venir s’installer en métropole, alors que le niveau de vie y est [13:21]
mircea_popescu tellement plus élevé ? Mon village ne s’appellerait plus Colombey-les-Deux-Églises, mais Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées" [13:21]
asciilifeform l0lzy [13:21]
mircea_popescu aha. it shocks me, by the way, that supposedly college educated anglos lack the ability to recall major speeches. [13:22]
mircea_popescu they don't do this in school over there ? [13:22]
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mircea_popescu i mean, not having any idea what hitler said, whatever, they're stupid. but not de gaulle either ? not anyone ? "i have a dream" an' thassit ? [13:22]
asciilifeform and it isn't as if no one translated.. [13:23]
mircea_popescu aha. the recipe... it is there. [13:23]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the ezeiza airport has a humongo printout of the guy's speech the one time an euro head of state visited. [13:25]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2015#1324800 << let's say they do? then what [13:26]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 16:01:46; BingoBoingo: Anyways the Mizzou stuff seems set to do the long drawn out irrelevance thing now as occupy did, unless they do some actual rioting [13:26]
asciilifeform sovereign people's black republic of missouri ? [13:27]
asciilifeform ... or 'pour la canaille faut la mitraille' ! [13:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sharpton shows up repping the FBI, like Ferguson [13:27]
asciilifeform btw kakobrekla's log www seems to mutilate mircea_popescu's fr paste [13:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually... check out the obscurantism engine. "No se han encontrado resultados para tu búsqueda (site:http://fresques.ina.fr/de-gaulle/ "Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées")." [13:30]
mircea_popescu meanwhile it has all the irrelevant crap, such as http://fresques.ina.fr/de-gaulle/fiche-media/Gaulle00271/voyage-en-roumanie-visite-a-craiova.html [13:30]
assbot Charles de gaulle - paroles publiques - Voyage en Roumanie, visite à Craiova ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg0I3Q ) [13:30]
asciilifeform quite possibly for same reason [13:30]
asciilifeform diacritic marks [13:30]
mircea_popescu uh. [13:30]
mircea_popescu god damned nonascii crapolade. [13:30]
asciilifeform ahahaha. [13:30]
mircea_popescu "oh, it works". it works like my foot. [13:30]
asciilifeform wurks aha [13:30]
asciilifeform except that it doesn't [13:31]
mircea_popescu now i can't search fucking french [13:31]
mircea_popescu if i use plain letters "oh, it's not found", if i use shitmarks, either. [13:31]
mircea_popescu who the fuck grrrr [13:31]
asciilifeform and yes there was somehow supposed to be a logical reduction of the бнопня (look it up) to actual latinate [13:31]
asciilifeform but never happened in implementation [13:31]
asciilifeform http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%9F%D0%9D%D0%AF << for n00bz [13:32]
assbot БНОПНЯ — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg0Ro9 ) [13:32]
mircea_popescu obviously. [13:33]
mircea_popescu do you know why ? because it would have proven in practice the stupidity/irrelevance of the shitmark scheme [13:33]
asciilifeform aha pinyinization [13:33]
mircea_popescu "why bother with shitmarks when search runs on sanity anyway" [13:33]
* asciilifeform doesn't own a cyrillic kbd btw. straight 'translit' (ru equiv. of pinyin) always. [13:34]
mircea_popescu obviously searching for just "colombey-les-deux" happily yields 5000 fucking references to the guy's birthplace on that site, but not the actual relevant speech. [13:34]
mircea_popescu because logic. [13:34]
asciilifeform i fuckin hate diacritic marks [13:35]
asciilifeform would rather work in jp kanji than latin with crud sprinkled on [13:35]
mircea_popescu makes two of us. [13:36]
mircea_popescu No se han encontrado resultados para tu búsqueda (site:http://fresques.ina.fr/de-gaulle/ jaunes noirs bruns). [13:36]
mircea_popescu check it out, they purged fucking symbolism out of their version of history too! [13:37]
asciilifeform http://lurkmore.so/images/b/b9/Injalid_drije.png [13:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUtae9 ) [13:37]
mircea_popescu buncha idiots these people. [13:37]
mircea_popescu meanehile ina.fr takes a week to load main page, you know what shitheads, i hope they bomb you too. [13:38]
mircea_popescu this isn't a confrontation between orcs and culture. this is a confrontation between earnest orcs and pretentious orcs, and my heart goes out to the earnest set. [13:39]
mircea_popescu rape the fucking lot already, leave the ground clear. [13:39]
mircea_popescu 286 elements , and still hasn't fucking loaded. [13:39]
asciilifeform earnest orcs aren't a neutron bomb, they don't do 'clear', they leave behind writhing mess of breeding scum and 'international komyooonitiiii' charitycase [13:40]
asciilifeform scar tissue. [13:40]
mircea_popescu they are neutron bomb in the sense that they are poor. [13:40]
mircea_popescu and em-poor-en. [13:41]
mircea_popescu all the problems of idiots come from idiots having been given money. [13:41]
mircea_popescu a COLOSSAL mistake. [13:41]
mircea_popescu it will have to be burned out of the idiot society, one way or another. [13:41]
asciilifeform afaik the 'refugee' horde is a much more effective, in the aggregate, idiot money magnet than, e.g., fr [13:41]
mircea_popescu mno. [13:41]
mircea_popescu back when Colombey-les-Deux-Églises consists of 100 french people, it has some money to pay for five stupid women to go to new york and "live just like in that movie" [13:42]
asciilifeform http://thewildones.faketrix.com/content/pictures/page-2/original_files/feeding-rats-milk-Karni-Mata-Temple-Rajasthan-India.jpg [13:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg1z4A ) [13:42]
mircea_popescu once 100 young male able bodied orcs move in, there's going to be 500 more kids the next decade, and not enough money to pay for halfd that many abortions [13:43]
mircea_popescu this is exactly as it fucking should be. [13:43]
mircea_popescu in other words, turns out i hate contemporary europe a helluva lot more than i hate muslims. which i suppose makes me exactly a libertard, politically. [13:44]
mircea_popescu now what. [13:44]
asciilifeform gotta go unburn that koran, l0l [13:44]
mircea_popescu eh i wouldn't go that far. [13:45]
mircea_popescu i don't like any of them. i just despise some more than others. [13:46]
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mircea_popescu at least this time around we're keeping records, so next time around when marya timofeevna/julia mikhaylovna (no fucking idea why these are different characters - no, wait, OBVIOUSLY. gotta not-implement proper search!) start with the "oh the poor peasants, how they die in the mud and their children are hungry" nonsense we just strip them, tie them to a tree, whip them bloody and leave them there. [13:52]
mircea_popescu let the peasants fucking have them, or else the dogs. [13:52]
asciilifeform gonna have to keep these records in what, an unburned parchment in an unburnable library of not-alexandria ? [13:53]
mircea_popescu vellum. [13:54]
mircea_popescu literally, skin of veal. [13:54]
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mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is a perfect task for the apprentice with a desire to figure out "the russian novel", as the typically eastern stupidity is politely called. [14:01]
mircea_popescu "explain why mt and jm are different characters". [14:01]
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phf fwiw kakobrekla's log is not fucking up the text. mp is sending latin-1, so kako's utf-8 reader substitutes ? for broken utf sequences. there's not much that can be done. could try and guess the encoding on a per-message basis, could also just pass through the messages 8bit clean and let the browser complain. the last option allows you to play the good old "guess the page encoding by switching between them until the right one comes out" [15:33]
phf game [15:33]
phf the easiest option is for mp to make sure that his client is sending utf-8 at all times, but i've no idea what ungodly combination of xterm/xchat settings achieves that reliably [15:35]
mircea_popescu moreover, the text i fucking used as a base is latin-1. [15:35]
mircea_popescu and im not doing fucking encoding conversions. [15:36]
mircea_popescu everything must support everything that EVER EXISTED or go die. [15:36]
phf i suspect that your client is 8bit clean and simply passes things through as they are given to it [15:36]
mircea_popescu yup [15:36]
trinque I took pains to make sure what ended up deeded didn't end up mangled from kakobrekla's copy; bytes in bytes out [15:36]
mircea_popescu and whatever pains you took, you still can't sleep easy in the knowledge that more pains won't be requisite in the future. [15:37]
trinque I am certain they will. [15:37]
mircea_popescu the only solution to this is the genocide of the french. [15:38]
trinque !b 9 [15:39]
assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2V1FTG7.txt ) [15:39]
jurov apparently most irc clients try utf8, if invalid, then cp1252 fallback: http://xchat.org/encoding/ [15:52]
assbot XChat - IRC (chat) client for UNIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1kysUGg ) [15:52]
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deedbot- [fr.anco.is] X.EUR November 15th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-november-15th-statement/ [16:44]
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davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323258 <<< aye [16:58]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 00:25:06; ben_vulpes: davout: you still alive? [16:58]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell naphex http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-11-2015#1323389 << yo where does xotika's design land in the context of this conversation? [19:21]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:59; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you don't. there are no urls, there's a javascript application that stands on the dom. [19:21]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:21]
shinohai http://news.softpedia.com/news/police-body-cameras-shipped-with-pre-installed-conficker-virus-496177.shtml [19:34]
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deedbot- [cascadian hacker] Links 2015-11-15 Sun: PumPum, evidence of an oil glut, garbage text generators, "information security", constraint-solving and pattern matching in Common Lisp, and a roboticized freight terminal! - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/15_links-2015-11-15-sun-pumpum-evidence-of-an-oil-glut-garbage-text-generators-information-security-constraint-solving-and-pattern-matching-in-common-lisp-and [20:27]
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jurov ah, deedbot got cut: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/15_links-2015-11-15-sun-pumpum-evidence-of-an-oil-glut-garbage-text-generators-information-security-constraint-solving-and-pattern-matching-in-common-lisp-and-a-roboticized-freight-terminal.html [20:40]
assbot Links 2015-11-15 Sun: PumPum, evidence of an oil glut, garbage text generators, "information security", constraint-solving and pattern matching in Common Lisp, and a roboticized freight terminal! ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5BlVW ) [20:40]
jurov trinque, bugreport^ [20:41]
mircea_popescu o yeah, wonder what happeend to Naphex [20:42]
jurov i guess to stop overlong URLs, we gotta genocide the cascadians, too. [20:42]
mircea_popescu ;;google "death comes for you all!" [20:42]
gribble Death - Wikiquote: ; Darksiders II - Death Comes for All (Official UK) - YouTube: ; Darksiders II: Death Comes for All - Official HD - YouTube: [20:42]
mircea_popescu anyone remeber the dwarf in baldur's gate ? [20:43]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes re the entire "PR strategy of attaching oneself to a hot story" angle : the terrain on which this happens has been set by mitt "the imbecile" romney and his orca campaign fiasco. [20:49]
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mircea_popescu the wonder whether a repeat is likely at all is on one hand legitimate , and on the other lightyear beneath what we'd consider security. [20:50]
phf jurov: apparently most irc clients try utf8, if invalid, then cp1252 fallback: http://xchat.org/encoding/ << yeah, that's basically the hack that i'm using in my homegrown log reader. read the stream, if it errors out on encoding issues, rewind back to last known good position, read again with latin-1, switch back to utf-8 [20:51]
assbot XChat - IRC (chat) client for UNIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1kysUGg ) [20:51]
mircea_popescu and re the oil discussion : the matter is very complex, notwithstanding how important it is. and yes, broadly speaking it's correct to say that the trend is to move "technical basis" of price away from "marginal cost of new capacity" to "operating cost of extant capacity". the reason for this however i propose is not by a longshot policy, but purely existential (in simple terms, we, ie the world, ie white people are mo [20:56]
mircea_popescu ving away from a "frontier" worldwiew and toward a "cargo cult"/scavenger world view. consequently the notion that new things can be made is being gradually abandoned. [20:56]
mircea_popescu no present capital / intent of future investment / financial policy setting etc has any bearing or impact on this, as it's purely a cultural matter. [20:56]
mircea_popescu http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?214896-BGT-LP-(seriously)&s=7daad45a893871ded8e9351bb7091e51 << people taking baldur's gate WAY seriously [21:00]
assbot BGT LP (seriously) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yck5QR ) [21:00]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Patriots or Panthers win Superbowl L - http://bitbet.us/bet/1227/patriots-or-panthers-win-superbowl-l/#b1 [21:07]
mircea_popescu anyone with a paypal acct wanna send a hundred bucks for me ? [21:11]
jurov can do [21:12]
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mircea_popescu Connection failed: SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) [21:33]
mircea_popescu that's wqhat you like to see in an advertising platform. [21:33]
ben_vulpes sad perspective, mircea_popescu. [21:38]
mircea_popescu which [21:38]
ben_vulpes death of new manufacture. [21:38]
mircea_popescu ah. [21:39]
* ben_vulpes is still planning to scrape metals off the seafloor [21:41]
mircea_popescu so at 20:40 mp makes an off the cuff reference to an obscure nitpick in a two decade old game franchise. at 21:00 he finds an even more in-depth resource for that thing than he imagined existed, and at 21:52 theres http://www.crossbrowsertool.com/s/1006147 ie eulora ads running on said property. [21:52]
assbot Browsershots of http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?214896-BGT-LP-(seriously)&s=7daad45a893871ded8e9351bb7091e51 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QptFOW ) [21:52]
mircea_popescu i blame the republic. [21:53]
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kakobrekla so, i made the mistake of visiting bitcointalk again. got banned 8 minutes after the mention of mpex and had all the previous non related posts deleted. new record for sure. [21:57]
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ben_vulpes https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/RN2yx54bxPa [22:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXTS4K ) [22:09]
ben_vulpes "not deploying giant militaries to bomb targets and wave banners, or propping up regimes and helping them "suppress insurgencies," but working on the long-term realities of helping locals build a government that they're invested in" << not that anyone is capable of doing this any ore [22:09]
mircea_popescu !up testingthisstuff [22:11]
-assbot- You voiced testingthisstuff for 30 minutes. [22:11]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla sounds like a riot. [22:12]
kakobrekla it was. [22:12]
mircea_popescu kinda reminds me of fetlife going on a rampage deleting profiles of random chicks that had friended me. [22:13]
testingthisstuff mircea_popescu, thanks, I'm lurking and, at the same time, trying to find out how to connect to freenode with Tor. [22:13]
mircea_popescu aha [22:14]
kakobrekla tor isnt something you want to be using. [22:14]
testingthisstuff even with tails? [22:14]
mircea_popescu what are you trying to accomplish ? [22:15]
testingthisstuff a second identity [22:15]
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kakobrekla !up adlai [22:16]
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adlai testingthisstuff: tor doesn't work on freenode, they actively prevent it [22:16]
adlai used to work, they even ran onion endpoints, but they got sick of... dunno. never gave a good reason for stopping. [22:17]
adlai testingthisstuff: also fyi, even the tor developers admit to the ease (~$1M) with which a large-scale sybil attack can be mounted against the network [22:18]
trinque jurov: ty, perhaps that ran up against the max message length? [22:18]
kakobrekla trinque yep [22:18]
mircea_popescu didn't give a good reason for stopping at just about the same time they didn't give a good reason for why they never published the results of the supposed inquiry they were going to make into that time when all their servers got compromised. [22:18]
adlai there's a difference between "we don't support tor becgause they suck at " and "we don't support tor because 'reasons'" [22:19]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "thirdy"? [22:21]
testingthisstuff adlai, mircea_popescu: thank you. i don't mind being my real self. i want to get into the WoT and start participating, looking for the best ways. always thought tor was a good idea but it seems not. I'll start reading at least 6 months of logs, as per the instructions, to catch up [22:21]
adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1324960 << 2nd in entropy to abulafia alone [22:21]
assbot Logged on 16-11-2015 00:30:35; mircea_popescu: Connection failed: SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) [22:21]
adlai testingthisstuff: just use your real self, then you don't have to be gay-for-trip-to-spacestation [22:22]
trinque I resemble that remark. [22:22]
mircea_popescu ahahaha i had forgotten [22:23]
mircea_popescu !rated trinque [22:23]
assbot You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Nice work on the deedbot. [22:23]
mircea_popescu !rated undata [22:23]
assbot undata is not registered in WoT. [22:23]
mircea_popescu hm [22:23]
trinque was before asswot iirc [22:23]
mircea_popescu cool. [22:24]
testingthisstuff adlai: i admit that i don't practice my ideology in the real world to the full extent and am afraid it's frowned upon here. but i shouldn't care, i guess. people frown all the time. [22:24]
adlai "but it only takes zero to just sit there with a dumb look on your face" [22:25]
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phf sudo halt [22:30]
phf ffs, wrong window [22:31]
kakobrekla too late, b-a is shutting down [22:31]
mircea_popescu jaja [22:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62318 @ 0.00053252 = 33.1856 BTC [-] {7} [23:17]
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mircea_popescu and in other european news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/540071b4a379994f097132643c0a43d0/tumblr_n5urstqwCU1sru3j8o1_1280.jpg [23:41]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/20VN0uL ) [23:41]
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