Forum logs for 14 Nov 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform i'm actually kind surprised that none of these dns records suddenly decided to point to dhs 'confiscated!1111' page, quite yet [00:05]
trinque apparently all these types in the west welcome conquest with an open ass [00:06]
trinque so why would they [00:06]
asciilifeform trinque: i still don't see it. [00:07]
asciilifeform usg decided to burn eu, so it burns. [00:07]
asciilifeform snore. [00:08]
trinque don't know, there were a lot of guys dressed up just like soldiers in the streets in france today [00:09]
trinque against 4 or whatever it was [00:09]
trinque the cutter cuts but is not a victor because the cutting is her decision [00:10]
asciilifeform oh fr is conquered [00:10]
asciilifeform ... by usg. [00:10]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell mod6 your auto reconnect a) doesn't auth b) leaks your ip [00:10]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:10]
asciilifeform ... in 1945. [00:11]
kakobrekla everyone leaks. [00:11]
asciilifeform ^ [00:11]
trinque I fail to see how USG panopticon megastate can live any longer than the soviet megastate [00:11]
trinque has the same problems [00:11]
asciilifeform trinque: one had a ready devourer sitting by, waiting [00:11]
asciilifeform other - not. [00:11]
trinque so one infection, the other cancer? [00:12]
asciilifeform if it is not clear why the difference matters, consider, [00:13]
asciilifeform su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to [00:13]
asciilifeform us - does not. [00:13]
trinque how does one get coherent action out of a thing where there is so much internal conflict? [00:14]
asciilifeform and since mircea_popescu is asleep, i must fill in for him and '... REAL MEN don't need warm places! they live on flesh of their enemies, and tree bark! in orbit!' [00:14]
asciilifeform trinque: how does maniac swing an axe!? [00:14]
asciilifeform consider how much conflict can be in his poor skull [00:15]
asciilifeform and he still can swing. [00:15]
trinque but we're discussing the logistics of massive empire [00:15]
asciilifeform ask albert speere [00:15]
trinque his thing was even shorter lived [00:16]
asciilifeform aha but illustrative. [00:16]
asciilifeform (incl. of 'empire with internal conflict but coherent action') [00:16]
trinque for a time [00:17]
trinque the effectiveness of the internal USG hierarchy is unknown to me [00:18]
trinque if such a thing can be described, and it's not some other messier topology [00:18]
asciilifeform effectiveness at what ? [00:18]
asciilifeform if it's at keeping mircea_popescu's rusty nail baseball bat at bay, i dare say it still works [00:18]
trinque accomplishing operational goals [00:18]
asciilifeform if it's at supplying clean water out of the tap - it sorta works [00:19]
asciilifeform if at preventing traffic jams - doesn't work, never has [00:19]
trinque but "works" is not necessarily to say what topology it is [00:19]
trinque perhaps pieces work [00:19]
trinque and perhaps someone breaks them off in whole chunks [00:19]
trinque attaches them to something else [00:19]
trinque or runs them headlong into each other [00:20]
asciilifeform all i can say is that usg is the only major economic actor remaining, or at least in so far as is visible from my dismal tower [00:20]
asciilifeform where i live. [00:21]
asciilifeform on mars, where mircea_popescu et al live, perhaps sanity prevails. [00:21]
trinque yep, I have only said what I do not know [00:21]
asciilifeform but here, my phone's been ringing off the hook for a week, and it almost always turned out to be usg folks [00:22]
asciilifeform (apparently not everyone got the memo that i'm a dalit) [00:22]
trinque admirers eh? [00:22]
phf election donations? [00:23]
asciilifeform no [00:23]
asciilifeform inquiries re: work for hire [00:23]
phf oh god. [00:23]
trinque this does not surprise me [00:23]
asciilifeform trinque: not so many folks outside of usg need reversing. [00:23]
phf kaspersky lab!!1 [00:24]
trinque furthermore if I were an ogre allergic to sane computing, I would eat a man describing it [00:24]
trinque :p [00:24]
asciilifeform phf: i wouldn't hire a fella with u.s. passport if i were k. [00:25]
asciilifeform in fact, i will lose all respect for k. if i ever learn that they did so. [00:25]
asciilifeform trinque: none of the folks calling give a tinker's damn re: 'sane computing' or b-a reich or whatnot. they just want good ol'fashioned reversing. [00:25]
asciilifeform but i'd still rather not perish in salt mine. [00:26]
asciilifeform if can escape it. [00:26]
trinque I don't care what work I do on this side of things; the stars were already coming unglued from the sky by the time I was born. [00:28]
trinque but maybe asciilifeform is yet more alive [00:29]
asciilifeform well as it is i have a little bit of energy & time to work on things that you lot consider mildly interesting [00:29]
asciilifeform when i was in a salt mine - i did not [00:29]
mats huh? I know several kaspersky employees that are americans [00:30]
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asciilifeform mats: and i remembered that i already lost respect, when i learned that they run shitblowz internally [00:30]
asciilifeform so i can't exactly lose it again [00:30]
ben_vulpes gotta love how quickly this guy goes from [00:31]
ben_vulpes "gonna starve" [00:31]
ben_vulpes to [00:31]
mats the number of shops that don't, I can count on one hand [00:31]
ben_vulpes "phone ringing off hook" [00:32]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: didja miss the line in the logz where i said ~who~ calls. [00:32]
ben_vulpes the web is always there [00:32]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu's "street" for programmers [00:32]
asciilifeform the nagant is also there. [00:32]
mats and even those, hr types run it anyways, for word and excel and what not [00:32]
asciilifeform mats: you can't count them because no public face. [00:32]
asciilifeform pretty much everything with a public face and ANY 'hr types' is - by definition - salt mine. [00:33]
asciilifeform it is what it is. [00:33]
phf agile consultants, HR, "junior developers", etc. [00:34]
asciilifeform any of them. [00:34]
mats b-a doesn't run winders and is also accurately described as salt mine [00:34]
asciilifeform mats: where's the salt ? [00:34]
phf asciilifeform: have you had your hands on thinkpad 755cd? [00:35]
mats rolling off the cheeks of the slaves doncha know [00:35]
asciilifeform phf: the one with the folding keyboard ? [00:36]
asciilifeform i had one, it died eons ago [00:36]
asciilifeform or was that 705c. [00:36]
asciilifeform what's so great about 755cd ? [00:37]
asciilifeform 701c, it was. [00:39]
asciilifeform not related. [00:39]
phf it's a fanless 486, one of the first "multimedia" laptops, i.e. has cdrom and midi chip. seems like the kind of device to play sierra games on [00:40]
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phf i've been trying to track it down for a while now, was curious if you've had a personal experience with one. i suspect there are very few actual units around, though ebay has a steady supply of replacement parts [00:41]
phf [00:43]
assbot Коллекция ретро ноутбуков и прочих РС - ThinkPad 755CD (Type 9545) ... ( ) [00:43]
phf (and there are stats somewhere on thinkwiki) [00:44]
asciilifeform wtf do you need the cdrom drive for !?? [00:44]
asciilifeform dunno about you, i've never once touched the ~disks~ for any of these gamez. [00:44]
phf phantasmagoria? :) [00:44]
BingoBoingo in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned. << With gherkins Kosher is a style meaning "with Garlic" [00:45]
phf i think gabriel knight was also quite beefy.. [00:45]
asciilifeform the voice version aha [00:46]
* asciilifeform never had any of the voice cd vers [00:46]
asciilifeform 'cause they didn't fit through a 28k modem, naturally [00:46]
phf i bought phantasmagoria of a stand in VDNKh back when the place was basically a giant electronics store, mixed with retrofuturist curio (holographic art exhibition! plasma globes!). it was a, heavily discounted, non-pirated version, but it took me forever to save up [00:50]
asciilifeform neato [00:50]
phf that 755cd has a completely weird feature, can remove screen back to use it with a transparency projector, [00:52]
assbot ... ( ) [00:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform no way this works on ie6. vendor prolly tested it on latest chrome . << In the last year and a half this seems to become "OMG NEW BEST PRAKATIZ" [00:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what domains ? [01:15]
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mircea_popescu in other news, the new registrar does not actually handle .ws or .bz apparently. so i got a bunch of other domains for proxies, whatevs. [01:43]
mircea_popescu somebody really needs to write a better interwebs. [01:43]
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danielpbarron << o, rly? are they finally going to mention an MPEx property? I met Stephanie Murphy (one of that show's hosts) at porcfest. She claimed to have never heard of MPEx, to which I replied that she must be a USG stooge. [02:00]
assbot Logged on 13-11-2015 21:46:32; pete_dushenski: said podcast, "let's talk bitcoin" may also be interested in talking to BingoBoingo and asciilifeform regarding their respective projects. [02:00]
danielpbarron << lolz >> >> Stephanie Murphy of Let's Talk Bitcoin and her partner in crime Brian Sovryn provided the voice overs used as part of the marketing campaign. [02:00]
assbot Logged on 13-11-2015 22:25:14; pete_dushenski: i'm proposing that they come here and, if they so desire, have a voice actor play the role of interviewee for the program [02:00]
assbot Caleb Chen, Stephanie Murphy & Brian Sovryn Assist Ponzi Scheme | Qntra ... ( ) [02:00]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron people can be simply stupid/clueless/etc you know. [02:02]
danielpbarron that show's other host is antonopolous, the guy that you got kicked off of twatter for threatening to kill [02:03]
phf mircea_popescu: what's the new registrar? is it less retarded then namecheap? [02:05]
mircea_popescu well the website works, at least. [02:05]
mircea_popescu [02:05]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron so clearly pete is doing his job lol [02:06]
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mircea_popescu << to satisfy alf : [02:09]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:02:58; asciilifeform: i'm actually kind surprised that none of these dns records suddenly decided to point to dhs 'confiscated!1111' page, quite yet [02:09]
assbot Am fost hacuit on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [02:09]
mircea_popescu that was a lulzdefacement on trilema years ago. the "romanian blogging community" ie a few dozen derps with shitty jobs in media was rather indignant that o noes, such desperation, to mis en scene your own defacement!! [02:09]
mircea_popescu then a coupla years later went into an epidemy of doing it, because hey, the sure mark of the insecure faggot is pretending superiority while attempting immitation. [02:10]
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mircea_popescu << this is a VERY naive objection. [02:12]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:10:49; asciilifeform: su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to [02:12]
mircea_popescu the "defectors" that didn't get killed (seriously, who the fuck is going to shoot ricin at you for leaving the us ?) mostly picked up trash. if lucky, ran cabs. [02:13]
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mircea_popescu what the rats in the burning hole imagine the outside is, and what the outside is are different matters. [02:13]
mircea_popescu and the rats are ALWAYS imbecile. take you, for instqance : you imagine the outside "is bad". take them, for instance. they imagined the outside "is good". BOTH entirely, utterly and completely wrong, on an objective basis. but objective has absolutely nothing to do with it. [02:14]
mircea_popescu do you know what informs their position, in all cases, then as now ? the same thing : they thought it's good because it seemed impopssible. you tihnk it's bad because it seems easy. that's the whole charade. [02:14]
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mircea_popescu all the cunning of a pubescent female, trying to get what it perceives it can't have while discounting with both hands what's easy to get. [02:15]
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mircea_popescu so she sits around with idiots that don't know how to wash properly (no, they don't OPT to not wash properly, they simply don't know how to do it, through parental neglect) and cuts class. [02:15]
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mircea_popescu anyway. real men don't need more than what they carry with themselves. that's what fucking distinguishes them from women. [02:18]
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mircea_popescu women miss a bit. [02:18]
mircea_popescu albert who ? speer, the nazi architect ? looky here : at the time the action was coherent there was no conflict. by the time there was conflict coherent action was practically absent. what have you done here, averaged over two decades ? [02:19]
mircea_popescu << you need a very weird thought process to at the same time discount all the NUMEROUS idiots with nail marks all over the face and somehow hallucinate some imaginary protection for the remainder through a concerted, name-able agency. really, usg protected all the vermin i didn't yet get to ? [02:22]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:16:04; asciilifeform: if it's at keeping mircea_popescu's rusty nail baseball bat at bay, i dare say it still works [02:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: re:nailbat, I interpreted that as when you take your physical trip to the US to play around in New Reno at some point in the future [02:24]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the problem with this is that the javascript "coder" without an eye and with two amputated legs will sit on an old skateboard and try to get rentacoder javascript work to pay his hospital bills. [02:25]
BingoBoingo But can they in two decades? [02:25]
mircea_popescu << go buy some icecream get back to me. [02:25]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:16:17; asciilifeform: if it's at supplying clean water out of the tap - it sorta works [02:25]
mircea_popescu jesus the delusion is strong with this one, he goes to sleep, comes back with it whole. [02:26]
asciilifeform didn't say 'works', but 'sorta works' [02:26]
mircea_popescu stop sleeping alf, it regenerates while you do. [02:26]
mircea_popescu eh get out. "sorta works" is not a thing. [02:26]
* asciilifeform working on this. [02:26]
asciilifeform srsly can barely sleep at all nowadays. [02:26]
mircea_popescu good. [02:26]
mircea_popescu << the degree of psychosis required for this is not curable outside of solaris-level sleep deprivation. [02:27]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:17:59; asciilifeform: all i can say is that usg is the only major economic actor remaining, or at least in so far as is visible from my dismal tower [02:27]
mircea_popescu you must not sleep for like five - six years or some shit. [02:27]
mircea_popescu fucking united states of kermit are an "economic actor" now, fancy that. what do they act, the chinese handpuppet ? [02:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where i live, psychosis 'is' sanity. as in, the furniture ~is~ glued to the ceiling, the folks with the ~normal~ vestibular ear are the ones throwing chunkz [02:28]
asciilifeform kermit << kermit roosevelt jr !!111 [02:28]
* asciilifeform always wondered if the fscking frog was named for him [02:29]
mircea_popescu "from my tower built out of old fishwraps atop slightly fresher fishwraps, the chinese freedom of navigation exercises all around japan are entirely invisible" [02:29]
asciilifeform whaddayawant, it's a jail, cans of sardines are currency, usg is the only economic actor here, yes [02:29]
mircea_popescu what else! [02:29]
asciilifeform yes fishwraps [02:30]
asciilifeform how else. [02:30]
mircea_popescu do you do a lot of this begging the question and implying the conclusions business ? [02:30]
mircea_popescu "in any set of one bottle all the things are a bottle!" [02:30]
asciilifeform no 'any' in there [02:30]
asciilifeform see logz. [02:30]
asciilifeform i live in this here aquarium. describing the contents thereof. [02:30]
mircea_popescu "in this set of one bottle all things are a bottle! also in speer's case!" [02:31]
mircea_popescu the acquarium is entirely in your head, is the problem. [02:31]
asciilifeform speer helped preside over a similar aquarium. his was saltwater, mine - freshwater. but similar. [02:31]
mircea_popescu i personaly suspect the only reason we even know the name of that B actor in the nazi state is that he was the first/only/most coherent man the brits could find in uniform. [02:32]
asciilifeform also because wrote a megalith turd [02:32]
* asciilifeform read. [02:32]
mircea_popescu sounds a lot like taking the governor of missouri as some sort of relevant political force. [02:32]
asciilifeform he's relevant if you're in the motherfuking electric chair [02:33]
asciilifeform in misouri [02:33]
asciilifeform sorta my attempted point. [02:33]
mircea_popescu dude, you're not even in jail. [02:33]
asciilifeform in большая зона. [02:33]
mircea_popescu some respek for the erotically electro cuties! [02:34]
asciilifeform where was hanbot's article about the jail [02:34]
asciilifeform 'you're already in, they can move you to the big cell or small one whenever' [02:34]
asciilifeform iirc it was inside mircea_popescu's article re: that schmuck [02:34]
asciilifeform garret something or other...? [02:34]
mircea_popescu o the death and taxes dood ? [02:35]
asciilifeform aha! [02:35]
asciilifeform him. [02:35]
mircea_popescu to quote from a piece i linked earlier, [02:35]
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mircea_popescu "If Republicans continue to moan about "liberal bias" and "losing the culture wars" without mustering the courage to do something about it – à la Ben Carson's stoppage of funding or Glenn Reynolds's abolition of aristocratic loopholes for Ivy League tithing – then the whole notion of higher education is going to be lost." [02:37]
mircea_popescu fancy that! that's exactly what is ~going to~ happen! the whole notion! will be lost! [02:37]
asciilifeform was lost long before tlp was born. [02:37]
mircea_popescu if the republicans don't act! [02:37]
asciilifeform l0lz aha [02:37]
mircea_popescu nah, this is "americanthinker" [02:37]
asciilifeform reads like tlp [02:37]
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asciilifeform same supporating sores from same radiation damage [02:38]
mircea_popescu yeah, because they're the same age, and the same deffective minds. [02:38]
mircea_popescu suppurating! [02:38]
asciilifeform aha yes [02:38]
asciilifeform << now this is true. but the defection gave su its 'control shot' in the head nonetheless. [02:40]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 05:10:37; mircea_popescu: the "defectors" that didn't get killed (seriously, who the fuck is going to shoot ricin at you for leaving the us ?) mostly picked up trash. if lucky, ran cabs. [02:40]
mircea_popescu who tothe what now ? [02:41]
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asciilifeform the competent folks who could leave - left; who could turn profiteer - did; etc [02:41]
mircea_popescu if only. [02:41]
mircea_popescu the principal problem of man, as an alive, in vivo beast, is that he has no fucking idea. [02:41]
mircea_popescu is he competent ? to what ? [02:41]
mircea_popescu once dead it becomes apparent, but to no further use to him [02:42]
asciilifeform the folks who could add and subtract, say. [02:42]
mircea_popescu back in 1970 even schoolchildren could add and substract [02:42]
mircea_popescu this, recall, was before 1993. [02:42]
asciilifeform aha. [02:42]
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mircea_popescu jesus fuck, we're digging in the past decades like it's postgraduade class in etruscan art. [02:42]
asciilifeform it is sorta lulzy, my father actually thought he could be an engineer in usa [02:42]
asciilifeform with his black ink pen. [02:42]
asciilifeform nobody sent the memo to the contrary. [02:43]
mircea_popescu said so right on the form, "you can be whatever" [02:43]
asciilifeform aha lol exactly. [02:43]
asciilifeform i still remember the motherfucking 'form' [02:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00052808 = 3.1157 BTC [-] {2} [02:43]
asciilifeform came in the very odd 'letter' size env. with plastic window [02:43]
asciilifeform never seen one of those before [02:43]
mircea_popescu << we're getting a pr face! in yo face! [02:43]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:30:32; asciilifeform: pretty much everything with a public face and ANY 'hr types' is - by definition - salt mine. [02:43]
asciilifeform (no such animal in su) [02:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'hr type' means a very specific sort of gorlum in usa [02:43]
mircea_popescu it's coming. [02:44]
mircea_popescu the subversion will be complete ou ne sera pas. [02:44]
asciilifeform i don't think hr gorlum could survive exposure to mircea_popescuray without immediate demagnetization and reformatting [02:44]
mircea_popescu subverted hr! [02:45]
asciilifeform thread was where i tried to explain to mats that there are these islands in usa [02:46]
asciilifeform like little leaves still green in your kitchen garbage disposal [02:46]
mircea_popescu haha [02:46]
mircea_popescu now this is poetic. [02:46]
asciilifeform not so green, and never for long. [02:46]
asciilifeform but there. [02:46]
mircea_popescu actually... it IS a verse isn't it [02:46]
asciilifeform if you eat greens ever. [02:46]
mircea_popescu i have a vague memory of having read this line [02:47]
asciilifeform probably did, somewhere. [02:47]
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asciilifeform !s garbage disposal [02:47]
assbot 12 results for 'garbage disposal' : [02:47]
mircea_popescu i suspect it wasn't in this language. [02:47]
mircea_popescu << thart doesn't explain the david shield does it. [02:48]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:42:57; BingoBoingo: in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned. << With gherkins Kosher is a style meaning "with Garlic" [02:48]
* asciilifeform often can no longer remember in what language somethign was [02:48]
mircea_popescu which does not help with the search ;/ [02:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, im not gonna waste the night hunting this, instead, i think ima translate rabinul si oaia. [02:49]
asciilifeform << i probably ought to explain this [02:50]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 05:10:56; mircea_popescu: what the rats in the burning hole imagine the outside is, and what the outside is are different matters. [02:50]
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asciilifeform i'm not yet convinced that i'm people and not furniture of this here hole. [02:50]
asciilifeform not even the fella in the electric chair. but just the sponge in the headpiece. [02:50]
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asciilifeform the sponge is this very particular custom thing, it isn't of much use as a sponge in the bath [02:51]
asciilifeform only makes sense in the context of the chair. [02:51]
asciilifeform does this make sense to anybody? [02:51]
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mircea_popescu so psychosis AND depersonalization ? [02:52]
asciilifeform (if it does not, try not sleeping for a spell) [02:52]
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asciilifeform << wake me up when the middle kingdom births (yes DESIGNS on MACHINES OF OWN DESIGN) a cpu that can eat the britneychain [02:58]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 05:27:05; mircea_popescu: "from my tower built out of old fishwraps atop slightly fresher fishwraps, the chinese freedom of navigation exercises all around japan are entirely invisible" [02:58]
asciilifeform i.e. is an actual sovereign. [02:59]
mircea_popescu don't you need to sleep for that ? [02:59]
asciilifeform i would wouldnt i. [02:59]
asciilifeform l0l [02:59]
mircea_popescu SETTING ME UP FOR FAILURE [02:59]
asciilifeform 'set up us the bomb' (tm) (r) [03:00]
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asciilifeform !up artifexd [03:00]
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asciilifeform artifexd: anybody home ? [03:00]
asciilifeform << oh and this also reminds me of my grandfolks who thought, to the chagrin of younger folk, that the talking heads of late '80s su ~counted somehow~ [03:01]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 05:34:17; mircea_popescu: "If Republicans continue to moan about "liberal bias" and "losing the culture wars" without mustering the courage to do something about it – à la Ben Carson's stoppage of funding or Glenn Reynolds's abolition of aristocratic loopholes for Ivy League tithing – then the whole notion of higher education is going to be lost." [03:01]
asciilifeform as in the notion that it mattered what they said or did [03:02]
asciilifeform or that their names had a reason to be distinct names [03:02]
asciilifeform etc [03:02]
mircea_popescu aha [03:02]
mircea_popescu i recall this chagrin. [03:03]
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asciilifeform this thing where the afflicted tries to avoid the realization that the buttons are no longer (or worse, were never) plugged into anything -- is probably in tlp somewhere [03:04]
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asciilifeform << i would happily move to the ar where mircea_popescu lives, but i will happily be shot in the head three times before i move to the ar where the argentines live. [03:09]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 05:12:10; mircea_popescu: do you know what informs their position, in all cases, then as now ? the same thing : they thought it's good because it seemed impopssible. you tihnk it's bad because it seems easy. that's the whole charade. [03:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: 'hr type' means a very specific sort of gorlum in usa << very usually a buttergolem [03:09]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: fwiw in my own experience it's the opposite [03:10]
asciilifeform these fish-like creatures [03:10]
asciilifeform skin, bones, and pheminizm [03:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's crossover. i beat their women and eat their icecream. [03:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, how else [03:10]
asciilifeform they are the furniture [03:10]
BingoBoingo << thart doesn't explain the david shield does it. << k, that's just gotta be retard locals [03:10]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:42:57; BingoBoingo: in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned. << With gherkins Kosher is a style meaning "with Garlic" [03:10]
asciilifeform i already have a gig as furniture, don't need to move for that [03:11]
asciilifeform even if could get out from under the arse [03:11]
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BingoBoingo (if it does not, try not sleeping for a spell) << usually does the trick [03:12]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe a regional difference? Tend here to be proud pheminismist "persons of size" [03:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's the money [03:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: close to the printing press, the vermin can afford to... remain thin (yes) [03:14]
asciilifeform in nebraskalabama, cis-kensaw, whatever, they're stuck eating petrogreaseburgers [03:14]
asciilifeform here - 'organik' kitten fillet [03:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Here it's they have they money and power over other people's access to money, so why not become monsters [03:15]
asciilifeform there's money in mizuri ? [03:15]
* asciilifeform had no idea. [03:15]
BingoBoingo Sure, in the lead mines [03:15]
BingoBoingo And the Boeing and Monsanto [03:15]
BingoBoingo And Mallinkrodt [03:16]
BingoBoingo Monsanto makes its home in StL [03:16]
asciilifeform and i bet their hr chix are thin. [03:17]
asciilifeform and have the face of war. [03:17]
BingoBoingo Missourah even has TWO federal reserve banks [03:17]
BingoBoingo Mebbe? [03:17]
asciilifeform can't speak for BingoBoingo, but i don't think i've ever seen epicly, memorably fat people outside of places where dirt poor folk habitually gather [03:18]
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asciilifeform if mircea_popescu were awake, he might say 'poor and stupid is the same' and i can't say that he's wrong, but to try to put an arrow of causality in either direction is imho stark nonsense [03:19]
BingoBoingo Well you live in a different part of the zoo's anatomy [03:19]
asciilifeform go broke in usa (and i mean ~properly~ broke, no backup) and you will be poor, fat, and permanently stupid in short order [03:20]
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asciilifeform in a hole from which there is no ladder. [03:20]
asciilifeform (because not even satan can help stupid) [03:20]
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mircea_popescu i know at least a coupla girls that were dirt poor. [03:21]
asciilifeform being a girl == not ~properly~ broke [03:21]
asciilifeform because has a ladder out. [03:21]
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asciilifeform (at least if not old) [03:22]
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BingoBoingo The truly broke here do lean out [03:22]
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mircea_popescu funny how that owrks. [03:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i dun think i've ever seen this. [03:23]
mircea_popescu "properly broke", like the true scotsman, is not a thing of this world. [03:23]
asciilifeform neh it's a thing [03:23]
asciilifeform just not for long. [03:23]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: i dun think i've ever seen this. << have you checked the gutter down by the river? [03:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i haven't checked the inside of the fish either [03:24]
BingoBoingo Why not check? [03:24]
asciilifeform will check eventually when inside. [03:24]
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* mircea_popescu can confirm, actual tramps [used to be] thin. [03:25]
mircea_popescu course, meanwhile obola. [03:25]
asciilifeform before mcfood. [03:25]
asciilifeform aha [03:25]
asciilifeform in ru they're thin still. [03:26]
asciilifeform << also wtf was this about, hr are these poor devils who shuffle papers [03:27]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 06:12:28; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Here it's they have they money and power over other people's access to money, so why not become monsters [03:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Here in my experience they admonish, shame, and "train" things that ought not be trained [03:28]
mircea_popescu pedagogues without a pedophile streak end up working in hr. [03:28]
mircea_popescu the rest usually work the schools. [03:28]
asciilifeform interesting, mallinckrodt makes... dope ? [03:29]
asciilifeform whodathought [03:29]
BingoBoingo Dope and radioisotopes [03:30]
* asciilifeform once worked in a lab with a titanic fridge full of crates labeled 'mallinckrodt' but it was all obscure diagnostic crud [03:30]
BingoBoingo If it is chemical weird off patent mallinckrodt makes it, which is why China is eating their lunch [03:31]
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* asciilifeform surprised that anybody in usa still manages to make anything. [03:31]
phf was looking at the 60s photos of hells angels, all of them skinny. which by the dates the spittoon story, since "fat bikers" [03:31]
asciilifeform phf: story appeared on alt.tasteless some time around '97 iirc. [03:32]
mircea_popescu phf that culture got raped about as badly as "gays" got destroyed by the faux-gays of the "rights movement". [03:32]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seemms mostly operating on inertia [03:32]
mircea_popescu originally, it was a very different crowd than the mancave type of dudes post vhs. [03:32]
mircea_popescu everything in the us gets its own september. [03:32]
mircea_popescu fortunately, so does the us itself. [03:32]
* mircea_popescu considers 7/11 partial payment for aol. [03:33]
asciilifeform longest september on record [03:33]
asciilifeform (was it ever august, even, in usa ?) [03:33]
mircea_popescu 1880. [03:33]
asciilifeform certainly no later. [03:33]
asciilifeform this is incidentally the year which i inhabit in my delusion. [03:34]
phf was it carlin who ranted about dentists and pussyboy programmers on harleys [03:34]
mircea_popescu yes. [03:35]
mircea_popescu the vhs tape stuck every housewife with having to be deep throat and consumer credit saddled every husband with having to be a knight, not even a squire. [03:35]
phf << i mean they look almost effeminate by present herpaderp standards, because fat==muscle [03:36]
assbot ... ( ) [03:36]
asciilifeform i think at least 1 in that photo is actually female [03:37]
mircea_popescu two [03:39]
mircea_popescu always remember : hairdo dates the coin. [03:39]
asciilifeform 1880 usa was something like the first and last time,place where 'inventor' was a semi-respectable thing to be [03:40]
mircea_popescu not respectable or respected by anyone or anything outside teenaged girls. [03:40]
mircea_popescu ask tesla. [03:40]
asciilifeform actually t was courted by, iirc, high-test gurlz [03:40]
asciilifeform incl daughter of jpm [03:40]
mircea_popescu quite. [03:41]
asciilifeform perhaps 'respect' is the wrong word [03:41]
asciilifeform respected as in how one respects one's expensive clock or pair of boots, rather than a man [03:42]
asciilifeform (respect as in man - now that is a thing that never was, or will be, for them.) [03:42]
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mircea_popescu you familiar with the strange case of mr rimbaud ? [03:45]
BingoBoingo phf: Also other confounding factors [03:45]
assbot PED Use & The CrossFit Games? | Prehab Before Rehab ... ( ) [03:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha [03:47]
mircea_popescu well ? [03:47]
asciilifeform was poet, not inventor ? [03:47]
asciilifeform or what [03:47]
phf BingoBoingo: ah, yeah, that's a fair point [03:48]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform poet from 10 to about 16, then went to africa made his name trading arms. [03:50]
mircea_popescu respected, for what, at which point, by whom ? [03:50]
phf mp is partial to french scoundrel poets [03:55]
mircea_popescu there is a dearth of poets. especially in nonfrench, nonlatin languages. [03:58]
mircea_popescu who am i going to name, the rich teutonic tradition ? [03:58]
mircea_popescu Obscurus of Hyperborea ? [03:58]
phf certainly few that "grew up in the market-place" [04:00]
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mircea_popescu iirc this guy grew up in a convent, with a schizogenic mother. [04:02]
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phf huh, that's true, i might have a romanticized view of rimbaud [04:07]
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mircea_popescu " Maintenant, je m'encrapule le plus possible. Pourquoi ? Je veux être poète, et je travaille à me rendre voyant : vous ne comprendrez pas du tout, et je ne saurais presque vous expliquer. Il s'agit d'arriver à l'inconnu par le dérèglement de tous les sens. Les souffrances sont énormes, mais il faut être fort, être né poète, et je me suis reconnu poète. Ce n'est pas du tout ma faute." [04:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2496 @ 0.00054545 = 1.3614 BTC [+] [04:11]
mircea_popescu actually, the whole thing's worth a read, [04:12]
assbot ... ( ) [04:12]
mircea_popescu "− Je me dois à la Société, c'est juste, − et j'ai raison. − Vous aussi, vous avez raison, pour aujourd'hui. Au fond, vous ne voyez en votre principe que poésie subjective : votre obstination à regagner le râtelier universitaire, − pardon! − le prouve ! Mais vous finirez toujours comme un satisfait qui n'a rien fait, n'ayant voulu rien faire. Sans compter que votre poésie subjective sera toujours horri [04:13]
mircea_popescu blement fadasse." [04:13]
mircea_popescu etc etc. [04:13]
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mircea_popescu "There’s no sugar-coating the following fact: We’ve helped people beat drug tests. We’ve studied the most current drug tests, we know what’s in play, where the learning curves are, we know what’s trending in the sporting community, and what new drugs are coming down the pipeline from China and elsewhere. Simply stated, we can help anyone, in any sport – including Crossfit – use performance enhancing drug [04:21]
mircea_popescu s and not get caught. Again, we’re not bragging, we’re trying to let you, (perhaps) a first time reader, see where we’re coming from. We know without a doubt that steroids are already in Crossfit, because instructors have already been arrested for dealing them. So that’s an irrefutable fact." [04:21]
mircea_popescu this guy's prose reads like he belongs loading traincars. [04:21]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is a crossfit anyway [04:21]
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punkman damn 120+ dead, 200+ injured now [05:15]
punkman "The eight attackers are also dead, seven of them after detonating suicide belts." [05:16]
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punkman << I've heard a couple cases where they suspended bunch of domains for stupid reasons [05:32]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 01:53:05; mircea_popescu: anyone have any experience with ? [05:32]
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punkman ah seems like they were bought out [05:35]
assbot CentralNic to Acquire Internet.BS In A Deal Worth Up to $7.5 Million ... ( ) [05:35]
punkman heh [05:37]
assbot Internet BS trying to take back my short domain : SEO ... ( ) [05:37]
punkman anyway, they were best known for [05:43]
assbot 44% Of Rogue Online Pharmacies Are Registered At – How .Pharmacy Plans To Change That | | Living in a world of 1's and 0's ... ( ) [05:43]
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fluffypony punkman: yeah it's crazy [05:50]
fluffypony also they declared a state of emergency for the first time in decades [05:50]
fluffypony "First time since 1945 that France has declared a nationwide state of emergency. Means state can control the press and enter private homes at any time (according to the French Government website)" [05:51]
punkman [06:03]
assbot - Paris Attack: Lucky Guy Mobile Phone Stopped Bullet ... ( ) [06:03]
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punkman "That does it. We're going nuclear on their asses." "But your enemy is actually *a meme*." "Fuck it. I said nuclear." [07:28]
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mircea_popescu 7.5mn ? da fuq ? [08:36]
mircea_popescu whatg, they got no women in tech at .bs or wtf is this. [08:36]
mircea_popescu o hey check it out, joining charlie yankee in his Operation Being Stupid I through XXVIII reeeeally paid off for the euros. [08:41]
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BingoBoingo what the fuck is a crossfit anyway << Going to Gym, but with cult elements [10:08]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [10:11]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 330.99, vol: 23066.87221308 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 327.125, vol: 5169.36562 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 332.36, vol: 21746.44572604 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 280.0, vol: 2.81121347 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 332.279682, vol: 61707.09840000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 328.0, vol: 153.56202846 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 331.79289, vol: 224.19960282 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [10:11]
BingoBoingo ;;more [10:11]
gribble 331.783903795 [10:11]
BingoBoingo Allegedly [10:14]
assbot Gemini $2200 per Bitcoin! Are they out of Bitcoin to sell? - Imgur ... ( ) [10:14]
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BingoBoingo this guy's prose reads like he belongs loading traincars. << He prolly does belong in such an occupation. Much of their subculture apparently proses like that or worse. [10:32]
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BingoBoingo But basically that is the sort of prose used when addressing persons who aspire to be pickup trucks [10:38]
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punkman BingoBoingo: Allegedly << "did they run out of bitcoinz?" lolderp [11:02]
assbot Gemini $2200 per Bitcoin! Are they out of Bitcoin to sell? - Imgur ... ( ) [11:02]
adlai such leet, very price [11:07]
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BingoBoingo Seems like the Winkelvii exchange just might have [11:39]
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adlai yours today for only 49.99!i [12:22]
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shinohai [12:56]
assbot meziti comments on Interviewed with IoT company ... ( ) [12:56]
mircea_popescu o check it out, reddit stopped loading worth a shit either sometime in between today and last i looked [13:06]
mircea_popescu is becoming the main interface to the retardweb [13:07]
mircea_popescu "The Ethereum ecosystem is incredibly exciting, but from an outsider perspective it might seem like just another fringe idea" [13:08]
mircea_popescu mno. from the outside it looks like a bunch of unemployable / mentally retarded adults + a bunch of homeless/orphan/parentally neglected children getting frothed at the mouth over the third pass of incredibly banal, fundamentally broken nonsense. [13:08]
shinohai Probab;y why Micorsit hopped on their train. [13:09]
shinohai *microsoft [13:09]
BingoBoingo I like MicOrSit as in "Get slipped a mickey or sit on this cock already" [13:12]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen pete_dushenski [13:14]
gribble pete_dushenski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 28 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * pete_dushenski to go pick up saddam from mechanic then to dinner. later ! [13:14]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski What is you opinion on the "mini moon" style hubcaps as applied to sedans. I'm thinking about removing the cheap plastic wheel covers and classing up my steelies. [13:16]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:16]
shinohai BingoBoingo: didja see this? [13:22]
assbot UN-EFFING-BELIEVABLE! Mizzou Protesters Are ANGRY Paris Terror Attacks Stole Their MEDIA SPOTLIGHT!!! ... ( ) [13:22]
BingoBoingo lol [13:22]
BingoBoingo shinohai: Honestly Mizzou protester lost the spotlight at MIZZOU on Thursday when Gary Pinkel announced he was retiring at the end of the year because he has cancer. [13:23]
shinohai Such narcissism. [13:24]
BingoBoingo Seriously. [13:24]
BingoBoingo Since deepbutt seems to be missing [13:25]
assbot "Core" Bitcoin Client to Drop Transaction Priority | Qntra ... ( ) [13:25]
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BingoBoingo shinohai: Weren't you working on a qntra piece about something? [13:28]
shinohai At one time ... I am the worst person at over-analyzing anything I write to death. I may shock you and submit something one day. [13:29]
BingoBoingo shinohai: Well, then the proper course of action is to submit a draft and let me overanal-ice it to death [13:30]
BingoBoingo Seriously the protests at Mizzou aren't even local news anymoar [13:31]
assbot Tributes to Pinkel: 'He resurrected Missouri football' : Sports ... ( ) [13:31]
shinohai I also have a bad habit of mocking ppl like Gavin and R. Ver which makes me look unprofessional. Funny though. [13:31]
shinohai Ad-hominem attacks really have no place in serious writing. [13:31]
BingoBoingo shinohai: Have you ever read qntra? [13:31]
BingoBoingo [13:31]
assbot GAW Miners Revealed As The Jizz Moppers Supreme | Qntra ... ( ) [13:31]
BingoBoingo Calling people what they are is not ad hominen [13:32]
shinohai Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would sue Qntra and myself if I wrote apiece on him and his vote-brigading bitcoin forum for example. [13:33]
BingoBoingo How would he even get standing to do that? [13:33]
punkman from the i-dont-even department [13:38]
assbot Edward Snowden and spread of encryption blamed after Paris terror attacks ... ( ) [13:38]
shinohai Every problem needs a scapegoat to cover incompetence ! [13:43]
punkman that's not how scapegoat works [13:47]
punkman speaking of which, I have the cutest little goat ribs marinating in the fridge [13:53]
BingoBoingo nice [13:53]
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trinque did they encrypt raqqa? [13:55]
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mircea_popescu lol the murican college kids have come to expect ? [14:17]
mircea_popescu << so basically they're doing the best they can to ruin a functional system to create a perceived need for the nonsense hm ? [14:18]
assbot "Core" Bitcoin Client to Drop Transaction Priority | Qntra ... ( ) [14:18]
mircea_popescu meanwhile on the other end, we still dun have pogos going, because reasons of racial purity. [14:18]
mircea_popescu Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would << roger ver is the type that can afford a cup of coffee if you're paying it. [14:20]
BingoBoingo Seriously [14:23]
BingoBoingo [14:26]
assbot Athletics doping: Russia provisionally suspended by IAAF - BBC Sport ... ( ) [14:26]
mircea_popescu in fairness, calling that thing functional is a bit of an overstatement. [14:26]
BingoBoingo Sometimes you gotta support the fee-fees a bit only to rip them away harder [14:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, the angry cartloader's main point stands : your chances of "detecting" doping are exactly akin to the prospects of every other bayesian pseudoscientific approach. [14:27]
mircea_popescu nil, if colorful. [14:27]
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BingoBoingo Yeah. nil, unless doping with all sorts of exotic that isn't natural. [14:28]
BingoBoingo The people who get caught generally order shit online hoping to stay in front of testing, while A-Rod goes to the pharmacy. [14:29]
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BingoBoingo Florida's quarterback this year was suspended because he was doping with a research chemical being tested for muscle wasting in cancer patients, aka the idiot college way [14:32]
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shinohai <<< also he is the type that thinks paying for a single cup of coffee with bitcoin is good and revolutionary. [14:42]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 17:17:12; mircea_popescu: Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would << roger ver is the type that can afford a cup of coffee if you're paying it. [14:42]
BingoBoingo [14:51]
assbot Brazilian Army Gets Hacked After Allegations of Cheating In Security Cyber-Games - Slashdot ... ( ) [14:51]
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mod6 12:43AM up 315 days << the foundation site has been up for nearly a year. we've been told it requires a reboot. [15:05]
shinohai requires a reboot ? [15:06]
mod6 will be doing this shortly; outage shouldn't be long. will start this process in 27 minutes. [15:06]
mod6 shinohai: we recieved an email that said if we do not reboot box in the next 24 hours, they will do it for us. [15:07]
punkman is it on AWS? [15:08]
jurov seems on [15:18]
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* BingoBoingo eating chicken hearts as part of a program to maximize the number of deaths that contribute to each meal [15:20]
shinohai I guess they have to apply their "yearly updates" or whatever. Never used AWS much. [15:20]
jurov *everyone* in the vps business had to update recently [15:21]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Why I’m not a Zionist. - [15:27]
mod6 5 minutes until reboot. [15:28]
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mod6 Alright, stand by. Rebooting. [15:33]
mod6 Complete. [15:35]
mod6 Thanks for your patience. [15:36]
BingoBoingo ty for the rebooty [15:37]
mod6 np [15:38]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << wai wat ?? [16:02]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 17:16:05; mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other end, we still dun have pogos going, because reasons of racial purity. [16:02]
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trinque Farlee: hi, who are you? [16:11]
punkman for you BingoBoingo [16:13]
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asciilifeform << expect moar of this, ad nauseum [16:52]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 16:35:18; punkman: from the i-dont-even department [16:52]
asciilifeform << afaik their incarnation of this never actually worked [16:54]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 17:15:48; mircea_popescu: << so basically they're doing the best they can to ruin a functional system to create a perceived need for the nonsense hm ? [16:54]
asciilifeform (leaving entirely aside the question of whether phoundation's thing is in any actual sense a bitcoinatron or not) [16:54]
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asciilifeform !up gabrielradio [16:55]
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asciilifeform << wtf, why ?@!! [16:55]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 18:02:37; mod6: 12:43AM up 315 days << the foundation site has been up for nearly a year. we've been told it requires a reboot. [16:55]
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asciilifeform << more in ru than you could ever use [16:59]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 06:55:15; mircea_popescu: there is a dearth of poets. especially in nonfrench, nonlatin languages. [16:59]
asciilifeform gives the fr folks a run for their money [17:00]
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mod6 asciilifeform: something to the effect of ``update to network''. no idea. [17:18]
mod6 for the money, i don't think its a big deal. one year of uptime, no problems, it's just a website. [17:19]
mod6 with that in mind, going forward maybe something needs to be figured out with some redundancy for V's mirror. [17:19]
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ben_vulpes hola pete_dushenski [17:47]
pete_dushenski howdy ben_vulpes [17:48]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell danielpbarron mind dropping a link to the latest contravex, seeing as how he quite so eloquently inspired the thing [17:49]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:49]
assbot Sam Kriss (@sam_kriss) | Twitter ... ( ) [17:49]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: how're the lady and boy keeping ? [17:49]
pete_dushenski << lel. now this is a turn of phrase. [17:50]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 01:50:57; asciilifeform: it's a kind of cryptographolysenkoism aha [17:50]
ben_vulpes faaast asleep, and yours? [17:52]
pete_dushenski one out running errands, the other amusing himself on the change-table, strapped-in tightly (rolling off is, as of this morning, a risk!) [17:53]
pete_dushenski << cunegonde's brother and his naked mussulman ? [17:56]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 02:01:19; mircea_popescu: in other news, (nsfa) [17:56]
ben_vulpes may he go from risk to risk [18:07]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: re: israel article: anecdote. a few yrs back, on the porch of my old flat, neighbour playing guitar, 'hatikva' (why? no one knows.) pet, to me: 'why is this fella playing 'languishing in auschwitz' ??!' me: 'you forgot - this is an actual song, i broke it' [18:23]
asciilifeform << imho this is a job for deedbot [18:25]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 20:16:58; mod6: with that in mind, going forward maybe something needs to be figured out with some redundancy for V's mirror. [18:25]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: haha [18:26]
pete_dushenski bbias. [18:26]
ben_vulpes lol asciilifeform share the lyrics for that? [18:29]
pete_dushenski back. (for now). [18:33]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i thought of you when reading sam kriss' review of the latest bond flick, spectre. particularly the bits about Cthulhu and Necronomicon references [18:37]
pete_dushenski << this one [18:37]
assbot The Englishman and the Octopus | Idiot Joy Showland ... ( ) [18:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: one day [18:47]
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jurov mircea_popescu et al.: i am using registrar, it does have sane interface unchanged in past 10 years [18:52]
jurov and as long swiss people are in charge, i don't expect them to [18:52]
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funkenstein_ pete_dushenski, applause to you for latest contravex [19:11]
funkenstein_ bring on the zero state solution [19:14]
funkenstein_ on a related note I never did care which sporting club logo is on the hat of the guys making the cpu [19:17]
pete_dushenski funkenstein_: cheers :) [19:19]
pete_dushenski but what's the cpu point ? reference ? [19:19]
funkenstein_ as in, middle kingdom doesn't make one [19:19]
pete_dushenski why would they ? [19:20]
pete_dushenski i'm coming around to the theory that they're too smart to grant that much independence and autonomy willy nilly [19:21]
funkenstein_ who's "they" here? [19:23]
funkenstein_ guys with middle kingdom hats I guess [19:24]
funkenstein_ anyway, well done. Sharing widely :) [19:25]
pete_dushenski and the amount of effort and energetic expenditure required by any centralised nation state to fashion proprietary cpu makes the prospect of the chinese undertaking the task assuredly improbable [19:26]
pete_dushenski funkenstein_: china, yes [19:27]
pete_dushenski << says mr. "require 10,001 things that i don't have. mainly abilities/proclivities/experiences/intuitions. incl. a basic meatspace social life" [19:31]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 02:29:03; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my weird delusion is 100% based on my to-date contact with physical reality (tm) (r) [19:31]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: much as i'd like, i haven't escaped earth orbit entirely (unlike, e.g., mircea_popescu) [19:32]
pete_dushenski no one else has either, don't feel bad [19:32]
pete_dushenski the point was that your personal experience with "coders" =! all the hungry kids derping up web 2.0 [19:33]
pete_dushenski tis all [19:33]
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pete_dushenski well, and that most of the webkidz who aren't currently hungry are about to be, because they have no skillz. [19:34]
pete_dushenski and many who thought that "coding was kool" are currently confronting an entirely different reality from the one they presupposed [19:35]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: afaik most 'confront the reality' when they first clock in at 1st paying gig [19:35]
pete_dushenski right, which is why i doubt it takes much awareness to realise how garbage the webstack is. [19:36]
pete_dushenski but hey, "not starving today" [19:36]
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pete_dushenski and what other options do they have ? not like they're actually talented at programming and can pick and choose they're work like you can [19:37]
asciilifeform who said i were or could, l0l [19:37]
pete_dushenski you COULD program webshitz. you WON'T [19:37]
asciilifeform i mean, i 'pick and choose' in the sense a surgeon chooses to slice guts instead of unloading railcars, yes [19:37]
pete_dushenski you have the technical capability, if not the mindset, patience, etc. [19:38]
asciilifeform but as mircea_popescu is fond of pointing out, everybody is a candidate for unloading railcars. [19:38]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: exactly [19:38]
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asciilifeform just like everybody's a candidate for feeding worms [19:38]
pete_dushenski everyone is a candidate for webz, which is why it's unusable [19:38]
pete_dushenski and, like railcars, web takes a lot of mudferbrains to keep it going [19:40]
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pete_dushenski at least in the direction it's currently heading. [19:40]
pete_dushenski << impressive. [19:40]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 02:30:05; mircea_popescu: i took over a whole fucking province with less than 150 people./ [19:40]
mircea_popescu hhhhola [19:41]
pete_dushenski << reducing noise is bad nao ? [19:43]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 02:32:37; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm rich. money insulates people. TO THEIR DETRIMENT. [19:43]
mircea_popescu << there is a very strict limit for testing, specifically that you can't test without reagent, and the reagent must react with something. ergo every single substance tested requires some blood. you can't take eight pints out of athletes, much less infinity pints, so you can't test for infinity things. [19:43]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 17:29:23; BingoBoingo: Florida's quarterback this year was suspended because he was doping with a research chemical being tested for muscle wasting in cancer patients, aka the idiot college way [19:43]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: on the off chance that you find this interesting, i don't avoid www dev because 'it is dirty' - at this very moment i'm dealing with undocumented idiocies in the win7 kernel. but because it is a '17y.o. thing' [19:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you got your causalities backwards. [19:44]
mircea_popescu you don't avoid it because it "IS" anything. it isn't anything, [19:44]
asciilifeform well there is this it-shaped pit [19:44]
mircea_popescu it only became something once you started avoiding it. [19:44]
asciilifeform sorta like that animal in 'star wars' that digests for 800 years [19:44]
mircea_popescu this, unpleasant as it may sound, is still jwzism [19:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i did write 'phuctor'. i don't avoid dealing with www browser, what i avoid is being a labour peer with 17yo cannon fodder. [19:45]
mircea_popescu right. i know. [19:45]
mircea_popescu the objection here is to what you say, not to what you are. [19:45]
asciilifeform (for the elementary reason that a 33 y.o. fella doesn't make a good 17y.o. emulator. for instance, the latter's wage won't pay the rentz. etcetcetc) [19:46]
mircea_popescu this notion of one to one replacement as a necessity is a little bizarre, to my ears. also the notion that a 17yo could interdict any field to me is a little odd. [19:48]
mircea_popescu see, if i decide going back to 11th grade, i wouldn't replace ONE 17yo [19:48]
asciilifeform he can ~collectively~ by being cheap and disposable. [19:48]
mircea_popescu i would replace ALL of them [19:48]
mircea_popescu i mean... looky, my time wasn't free when i was 15, either. [19:49]
pete_dushenski << or why stan is still in us of a. nowhere to defect to save isis. and they're internet's even worse. [19:49]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:10:49; asciilifeform: su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to [19:49]
mircea_popescu eh he's kidding himself. [19:50]
mircea_popescu tehran has better internet than wash dc. better food. better women. [19:50]
mircea_popescu there isn't a place on earth he'd be moving down to, not really. [19:50]
pete_dushenski he's just not enough of a jooey chameleon then ? [19:51]
mircea_popescu obviously there's religious nuts, but guess what, u of maryland has some derps "working on ethereum" right now. [19:51]
mircea_popescu i'd take the imams any day when it comes to religious nuts. [19:51]
pete_dushenski have to be pretty adaptable to cut it in tehran, i'd think [19:51]
mircea_popescu and you'd think this on the basis of what ? [19:51]
mircea_popescu for all you know they worship white folk. [19:51]
asciilifeform i don't disagree re: the imams. [19:52]
asciilifeform familiar enough with the subj. [19:52]
pete_dushenski iranians have too long a historical memory for white worship. still remember greek ass-kick. [19:52]
asciilifeform but i do know that ru folk contracting in ir get hazard pay. [19:52]
asciilifeform not because of imams, but because shithole. [19:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you sure the "shithole" theory is not WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE [19:53]
mircea_popescu because otherwise the theory would have to be "because russians, = shitheads" ? [19:53]
asciilifeform shitheads - sure. and i'm what, an instantly likable lolcat? [19:54]
mircea_popescu not the point tho. [19:54]
pete_dushenski << have you checked tehranian job boards ? [19:54]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 03:21:13; asciilifeform: trinque: not so many folks outside of usg need reversing. [19:54]
jurov btw, i have never seen 17yo able to fix problem somewhere deep in html/js/css stack, or even being able to do multicolumn design with misc resize contraints from first principles [19:54]
mircea_popescu also this. [19:54]
mircea_popescu honestly i've rarely seen a 17yo male able to find his way to cunt if blindfolded in a roomfull of spread eagled whores, but that's just my limited experience talking, i'm sure. [19:55]
asciilifeform jurov: no one is ever hired specifically to do this. certainly not without a track record and recs. [19:55]
mircea_popescu they exist, somewhere. in meta-nsa-high. [19:55]
asciilifeform the entire 'industry' is geared around the availability of disposable bodies. [19:55]
jurov asciilifeform: i was not hired specifically to do that, but had to. cuz i was the only one who had a clue in whole fucking company [19:57]
jurov i then squeezed $$$ out of them [19:58]
jurov not that hard. and i have social skills of practically deaf hermit [19:58]
mircea_popescu << whgart the shit is this ? [19:58]
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asciilifeform jurov: you were already there [19:58]
mircea_popescu "oh, we installed new spyware, it is windowsware, must reboot" ? [19:59]
jurov i was "already" there as sysadmin, so what? [19:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude, he was born into some random company he started working for this decade. wouldja get off ? [19:59]
asciilifeform jurov: so we aren't talking about the same problem. [19:59]
jurov imo you yourself don't know what your problem is [20:00]
asciilifeform paying the motherfucking bills [20:00]
asciilifeform like most folks. [20:00]
jurov how would positioning oneself as "the wizard" not pay the bills? [20:02]
asciilifeform because i'm a wizard ~of something~ [20:02]
asciilifeform that is, the market is a lemon market, and folks tend to get recruited 95% via meatwot and the remainder via verifiable recs [20:02]
jurov If you insist. [20:04]
asciilifeform jurov: ever work in usa ? [20:04]
mircea_popescu he fucking has me there, i never worked, nor ever hired in the us. [20:05]
asciilifeform well: [20:06]
asciilifeform the rivers of lying, stinking meat ~have an effect~ [20:06]
asciilifeform (as well described by naggum, who ~did~ live and work in usa for about a decade) [20:06]
jurov you say all usian corps are so rigid so as not to recognize clueful people at all? [20:06]
asciilifeform no. [20:07]
mircea_popescu << this is actually true. it also happens to be that russians were the devil throughout my formative years. [20:07]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 19:57:08; asciilifeform: gives the fr folks a run for their money [20:07]
asciilifeform i don't expect mircea_popescu to like ru poetry any more than i expect my phriend from .in to like british. [20:07]
mircea_popescu jurov no, the gist of his argument is that skill/competence are meaningless close enough to the money printer. [20:07]
asciilifeform ^ this, but also that the lemon market is so dire that folks trying to actually accomplish something tend to be ~extremely~ conservative [20:08]
mircea_popescu in the following sense : printing money renders sense arbitrary, and if sense is arbitrary then specialists become just another kind of voodoo practitioners. nobody cancelled the "if you're gonmna hire a voodoo priest, hire the cheapest" rule, and so here we are. [20:08]
asciilifeform advertise for just about ~any~ skilled labour thing and you are besieged with 1,001 lying idiots [20:08]
asciilifeform and yes! precisely as mircea_popescu describes [20:09]
asciilifeform and there is also a pestilence of credentialism [20:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this i saw in romania. was required by law to advertise job to create eu residency permit for slavegirl. [20:09]
mircea_popescu i took ad in obscure local paper, requiring complex engineering quals, [20:09]
mircea_popescu >100 people emailed me. [20:09]
asciilifeform it is no longer enough to have a uni degree (which i have, in ol'fashioned 'comp sci', fwiw) but also various trained monkey cert idiocies [20:09]
mircea_popescu it's not that none meeting the quals. [20:09]
mircea_popescu it's that 100% thereof having the quals for barrista and trying to wing it./ [20:09]
mircea_popescu "we're all people after all rite" ? [20:09]
asciilifeform ^^ as naggum described [20:09]
jurov how comes then your phone keeps ringing off the hook? [20:09]
asciilifeform and as i saw personally when trying to hire folks [20:10]
mircea_popescu i should prolly publish those emails sometimes, it was a fucking riot. [20:10]
mircea_popescu the effects of "selfesteem" school quite evident. [20:10]
asciilifeform jurov: because usg has infinite budget and wants moar and moar reversers [20:10]
asciilifeform jurov: but i'd sorta like to avoid pederasty [20:10]
mircea_popescu jurov think in soviet yugo terms, which is exactly what the us is : [20:11]
mircea_popescu nobody had any trouble getting a job [20:11]
mircea_popescu except for the 5 or so jobs anyone ever wanted [20:11]
mircea_popescu (stewardess) [20:11]
jurov i don't get it. you could then get nice money fixing vhs recorders and smuggling diskettes and whatever [20:12]
jurov (but that's p3d3rastyyyyy!!!) [20:13]
mircea_popescu no, the stand-in objection to that is "social skillz" [20:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually it is more specifically that with my level of social skillz it doesn't pay the rentz. [20:14]
mircea_popescu he has a pretty elaborate thing secreted there. [20:14]
jurov *shrug* [20:14]
mircea_popescu also diskettes = plutonium, in soviet yugo alf would starve with a planeful of diskettes because "there's nothing can do with" [20:15]
asciilifeform believe or not i was a perfectly normal boy (complete with the normal fistfights etc) before being forcibly removed to the land of monkeys [20:16]
trinque pffff [20:16]
trinque I was born here and I still live as though in enemy territory [20:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i believe. [20:17]
asciilifeform so in soviet yugo, supposing i'd grown up there, i'd possibly be something more like jurov. [20:17]
trinque (gay?) [20:18]
mircea_popescu (deaf ?) [20:18]
asciilifeform but i'm running low on hypothetical-juice [20:18]
trinque I kid [20:18]
asciilifeform (elaborate counterfactuals use it up!) [20:18]
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jurov btw, i was not normal boy. was never allowed out to the street, granny was too afraid [20:19]
jurov only to school and back [20:20]
mircea_popescu << check it out, childbirth turned vulpes into an old jewish woman. [20:20]
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mircea_popescu << ima see how this one holds up. it is kind-of refreshing that you don't have to ASK people about whether they accept bitcoin by now. [20:22]
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* mircea_popescu wonders idly how much of france's current problems actually have to do with its ill inspired continuation of a once expedient, long pointless alliance with the ustards, and how much has to do with the ill advised but tribally motivated amnesty miterrand gave to the italian terrorists back when italy decided it had enough of that shit. [20:24]
jurov i don't pay them bitcoins [20:24]
jurov and first thing they wanted was photo of my cc [20:25]
mircea_popescu hahahaah what ? [20:25]
jurov (front side only) [20:25]
* mircea_popescu would never use this if it came to not using dns altogether. [20:25]
mircea_popescu (i confess i have been contemplating changing to ip-based addresses instead of domains) [20:26]
jurov i already did for mpex proxies, they resolved very erratically [20:27]
mircea_popescu dns, a solution nobody wants for a problem nobody has. [20:28]
mircea_popescu where nobody = marketeers. [20:28]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> << whgart the shit is this ? << it costs me $7 per month. [20:34]
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mod6 at some point when the bitcoin isp is up and going and the foundation can afford it or the resources donated, we'll make the switch, happily. [20:37]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> << imho this is a job for deedbot << eh, Mr. P. said deedbotting the vpatches was a death-wish. [20:39]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 20:16:58; mod6: with that in mind, going forward maybe something needs to be figured out with some redundancy for V's mirror. [20:39]
asciilifeform there is no other way to nail down chronology. [20:39]
mod6 time doesn't matter, its the precedence. right? [20:39]
asciilifeform not only [20:40]
asciilifeform there is only one way to reliably broadcast 1) when a particular patch came to exist 2) what the present state of the art may be. [20:40]
mod6 anyway, i think the real thing I was getting at there as sort of an alternative host incase of necessary reboot or maint to the other host. [20:41]
asciilifeform neither is required to build ~a~ press, no [20:41]
asciilifeform but enemy will attempt to leverage any serious uncertainty in 1 or 2 [20:41]
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mircea_popescu mod6 i c :p [20:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what the fuck ? [20:57]
asciilifeform ? [20:58]
mircea_popescu is this a recurring topic that never gets proper reference to past discussion ? [20:58]
asciilifeform did we do this one ? [20:58]
mircea_popescu multiple times. [20:58]
mircea_popescu patches reference antecedents. there is no notion of time. [20:58]
mircea_popescu because time isn't a thing. [20:58]
asciilifeform it is a thing in one and only one case [20:58]
asciilifeform where somebody gets trapped in a bubble and told 'the state of the art is this thing here and guess what they never got $longagosolveditem to work, therealbitcoin suxx!!1111' [20:59]
mircea_popescu this is not our concern. [20:59]
asciilifeform then can forget time. [20:59]
mircea_popescu stop trying to import usg into bitcoin through the negative. [20:59]
mircea_popescu i couldn't give less of a shit what they do. if tomorrow california falls in the ocean i won't notice, nor care. [21:00]
asciilifeform wanted to import blockchain time rather than nato time, but sure. [21:00]
mircea_popescu not like someone can't do this privately. [21:02]
mircea_popescu it's antidesign to bolt it on. [21:02]
asciilifeform did not suggest bolting it onto 'v' proper [21:02]
asciilifeform but as a thing that could exist independently. [21:02]
mircea_popescu so then let it be, once it's used more we'll understand better what;s needed with it in practice. [21:03]
* asciilifeform let the whole thing be, if anyone recalls [21:03]
asciilifeform but yes. [21:03]
danielpbarron ;;later tell pete_dushenski << [21:06]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 20:46:17; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell danielpbarron mind dropping a link to the latest contravex, seeing as how he quite so eloquently inspired the thing [21:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:06]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: nicely done ! [21:07]
phf tehran has good pistachios [21:12]
mircea_popescu i know, that's where i get mine [21:13]
phf i've learned recently that one of the larger usian pro-embargo lobbies are pistachio manufacturers [21:13]
phf because can't compete with the real thing [21:13]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:13]
mircea_popescu nothing in the us produce section can compete with the real thing. [21:14]
pete_dushenski 'merican pistachios were a nixon thing, neh ? [21:14]
mircea_popescu go have say an actual mango [21:14]
mircea_popescu avocado. [21:14]
mircea_popescu you name it. even the fucking bananas have an actual flavour, as opposed to the styrofoam at walmart. [21:14]
asciilifeform possibly from the use of ripening gas [21:15]
mircea_popescu prolly. [21:15]
mircea_popescu "what is this ?" "vegetables and rice" "no it isn't. where you got these ?" "oh, they come in very convenient bags, frozen" "are you fucking crazy ?!" [21:16]
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phf tv diners, canned vegetables, bag of crisps, and when feeling fancy (or don't want to deal with cooking for the kids) it's time for a mcdonalds trip! [21:20]
mircea_popescu incidentally, is ripening gas still ethylene or did they find some way to use radiocesium or some shit for the purpose ? [21:21]
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asciilifeform yes, but.... [21:22]
asciilifeform e.g., [21:22]
mircea_popescu phf meanwhile, breadmaking is basic female skill required in mp households. [21:22]
asciilifeform '1-Methylcyclopropene (1-MCP) is a gaseous molecule that blocks the sites of ethylene binding and action in fruit. Marketed under the commercial name ‘SmartFreshTM’, it is increasingly used across a wide variety of stored products where the inhibition of ethylene effects is desired.' [21:22]
asciilifeform ^ and prolly more. [21:22]
mircea_popescu heh. the march of science eh. [21:23]
asciilifeform what was it, [21:23]
asciilifeform 'feast of engineering !!!1111' [21:23]
asciilifeform 'spreading - works!' [21:23]
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pete_dushenski << i dun get it [21:29]
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phf actually in u.s. breadmakers is one of those appliances, that people buy and then never use. i know because every time bread comes up in conversation, an owner will point out that they have one. somehow they still buy cardboard bread at store, and only break out breadmaker on special occasions, if ever. [21:29]
danielpbarron #PhrenchLivesMatter [21:30]
pete_dushenski we had breadmaker growing up. actually used it too. [21:30]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron it's not even that, it's more along the lines of "social media derps don't matter", which irks them. [21:30]
pete_dushenski #BaguettesMatter [21:30]
mircea_popescu so now they're... doing things. [21:30]
* danielpbarron is pretty good at making bread the old fashioned way [21:31]
mircea_popescu well you'd have to be, it's the main requisite for being a sourdough miner! [21:31]
danielpbarron i don't use that stupid machine either [21:31]
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mircea_popescu is this a dough hook on a motor ? [21:31]
mircea_popescu or you mean the actual "hey epson now makes bread" assembly line in your kitchen thing [21:32]
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phf danielpbarron: yeah, girl bakes bread in oven on the regular, i just stick to poor engineer's substitute for day to day-- chapatis [21:32]
danielpbarron i don't even use that; I kneed by hand [21:32]
pete_dushenski << eg. breadmaker [21:32]
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mircea_popescu i suppose the enduring popularity these chunks of nonsense enjoyed should make no one surprised at the 3d printer mania. [21:33]
phf mircea_popescu: the second. i think you dump ingredients, bread comes out, but enough manual steps that people still manage to not use it. maybe cleaning is the time consuming part.. [21:33]
pete_dushenski ~$100 - 200 [21:33]
mircea_popescu they make about as much bread as they make guns. [21:33]
mircea_popescu in this line, there was a time in central/eastern yurp when married woman HAD to have sewing machine. [21:34]
mircea_popescu maybe 10% of them did anything useful with it. [21:34]
* asciilifeform was about to ask 'who the fuck cancelled this' but then remembered chinese pseudoclothes [21:34]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:34]
mircea_popescu it is a craft tho, the expectation you spend the 1500 dm and wife can now make clothes is out of place. [21:35]
pete_dushenski << “This so-called South Korea thing,” he sneered, “it’s just America.” “You say isolated. We say self-reliant. That’s our ideology. That’s how we weather economic crises caused by America,” << damn. spot on ! [21:36]
assbot Conversations with North Koreans | NK News - North Korea News ... ( ) [21:36]
mircea_popescu mmm [21:36]
mircea_popescu the haircuts, also ? [21:37]
asciilifeform don't forget [21:37]
assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 14:33:45; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes [21:37]
asciilifeform and other threadz re: same. [21:38]
pete_dushenski trading beaver pelts for shiny beads and reddit gold eh [21:38]
danielpbarron they should better trade for shiny rock and eulorian coppers [21:39]
mircea_popescu ehehe [21:39]
asciilifeform north kr is largely free of usg but as a consequence has no immunity [21:40]
asciilifeform it will liquify like an axenic mouse. [21:40]
mircea_popescu in other news, i would like to announce [21:40]
mircea_popescu that should the nobel committee decide to give stoya the peace prize i am prepared to accept it on her behalf [21:41]
asciilifeform l0l!1 [21:41]
pete_dushenski please to post btc address for peaceful winnings [21:41]
mircea_popescu obviously i have no relation to either the woman or her line of work, and she could just as well do it on her own, but i'm aspiring to be as cool as Chowcoolie Whatsiname one day. [21:42]
mircea_popescu << in case you're wondering what the vermin usg has created looks like. [21:43]
assbot Chowdhry | UCLA Anderson School of Management ... ( ) [21:43]
mircea_popescu it's not JUST bharara. there's an entire generation of this scum barnacling the place. [21:44]
* asciilifeform unfortunately knows very well what they look like. [21:44]
asciilifeform really not so different from that other nomenklatura. [21:44]
mircea_popescu very different. they were georgians not fucking eskimo. [21:45]
asciilifeform now this, yes [21:45]
asciilifeform but overall flavour is the same. [21:45]
mircea_popescu "oh , but india just happens to have a culture that promotes abject replication." [21:45]
mircea_popescu yeah, exactly. [21:46]
asciilifeform but the classical india featherbedding - this, yes! [21:46]
phf i think in su the purpose of sewing machine was to pirate french pret-a-porter that would not be otherwise accessible in stores. could buy sewing pattern magazines, i.e. Burda. aunt made some side money in the 70s making garments "like them french girls" [21:47]
mircea_popescu ex "mechanical engineer", reminds me a lot of the rather famous zarone, g g dej's driver, then minister. [21:47]
asciilifeform more elementarily, to fix torn things faster/with less sweat [21:47]
mircea_popescu phf yes, that was the theory. [21:47]
mircea_popescu the practice however, was that about one in ten women were worth the cutting cloth. [21:48]
mircea_popescu i suspect germany (all opf the machines had to be german!!1) made marginally more money selling the gear than the women in question saved, had exports been allowed. [21:49]
mircea_popescu the truth of this point can be appreciated by the incredible expansion of lohn in the 90s in eeu. [21:49]
phf lohn? [21:50]
mircea_popescu it's a delivery/production agreement in light industry, mostly textiles [21:51]
phf aah [21:51]
mircea_popescu something very similar is widely used in eulora, too. [21:51]
phf is that german word? [21:52]
mircea_popescu [21:52]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the gist of it is that "manufacturer" gets tooling on credit, materials sourced by and fixed sale contracts to the same party. [21:53]
mircea_popescu ie, "Here is this samovar, here are the bundles, make me the product" [21:53]
pete_dushenski sounds like franchised restaurant [21:54]
kakobrekla hm, 'lon' here means 'payment', old, obscure word not in use much in that sense [21:54]
mircea_popescu no, the franchisee bears most of the risk. [21:54]
mircea_popescu this is basically the fundamental deal of "we have unskilled, obedient derps here and nothing else. what now ?" [21:55]
mircea_popescu how china was built, also. [21:55]
phf gibson in his latest novel has something similar happen to 3d printers, i.e. suburban shops that get 3d printers on credit, manufacture replacement parts on demand from stl or verbal description [21:55]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: aha [21:55]
mircea_popescu there's really no good way to describe it outside of "here are stupid people in a historical valley". i it's a mix of factoring, leasing and outsourcing supply provisioning + financing in one package. [21:57]
mircea_popescu one more tweak and you'd be ceo of your own company on reddit. [21:57]
pete_dushenski except for the 'obedient' element, which reddit utterly lacks [21:58]
mircea_popescu are you kidding me ? [21:58]
mircea_popescu they're the most obedient people alive. [21:58]
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mircea_popescu granted, they obey stupid people saying stupid things, but ... [21:58]
pete_dushenski as long as they're not actually working, yes [21:58]
mircea_popescu well, lohn was for the derpy chicks that weren't willing to be ACTUALLY working, also. [21:59]
mircea_popescu (ie, working the street) [21:59]
mircea_popescu this is how this goes. [21:59]
pete_dushenski right, also not reddit, who couldn't be made to work with a pitchfork poking them in the ass [21:59]
mircea_popescu seems to me they work at producing poorly strung together sentences by the boatload. [22:00]
pete_dushenski they'd sooner break down in tears and call for their mommy/police than dig ditch [22:00]
pete_dushenski writing poorly =! work [22:00]
pete_dushenski it's "fun" [22:00]
mircea_popescu yes, well, again : this is how this goes. the entire point of "economy" is the redefinition of work. [22:00]
mircea_popescu hence all the "do what you love" "work while you're sleeping" "you won't believe it's actually work not butter" etc. [22:01]
pete_dushenski aha. 'follow your heart' myth [22:01]
mircea_popescu if you're nto going to be beating the monkeys into working, you'll be stuck tricking them, because the cock ain't gonna suck itself. [22:01]
pete_dushenski << oblig. [22:01]
assbot The “Follow your heart” myth. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [22:01]
pete_dushenski self-licking cocksicle ? [22:02]
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* pete_dushenski send texts to friends as to last-minute sat night plans, got back "busy tonight. free dec. 12!" [22:05]
mircea_popescu no, i gotta quote this damned thing, it's incredible. [22:06]
pete_dushenski i'm losing touch either on account of family, internets, or... something. but a regular on 'the scene' is not me. not anymore. [22:06]
mircea_popescu "Biography [22:06]
mircea_popescu Bhagwan Chowdhry is a Professor of Finance at UCLA Anderson where he has held an appointment since 1988. [22:06]
mircea_popescu Professor Chowdhry has also taught at the University of Chicago, University of Illinois at Chicago, the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, and the Indian School of Business. He received his Ph.D. in 1989 from the Graduate School of Business at the University of Chicago. He also has an M.B.A. in Finance from the University of Iowa and a B.Tech. in Mechanical Engineering from Indian Institute of Technology. [22:06]
mircea_popescu His research interests, on which he has published several papers in finance and economics journals, are in International Finance and Corporate Finance and Strategy. He has been on the editorial board of a number of finance journals. He teaches International Finance, Corporate Finance and Financial Institutions at Anderson. He has also organized and taught Executive Education programs on Financial Derivatives, Corporate [22:06]
mircea_popescu Risk Management and Valuation in Los Angeles, Singapore, Hong Kong, Mumbai, and Hyderabad. [22:06]
mircea_popescu Microfinance has been his recent teaching, research and applied interest. He has supervised several MBA student projects in Microfinance in the last several years and has taught an undergraduate seminar class and an MBA elective on the subject. He has developed a new model for "Franchising Microfinance" on which he has written a research paper and is studying the feasibility of implementing the model with a Microfinanc [22:06]
mircea_popescu e Institution. [22:06]
mircea_popescu Professor Chowdhry has recently proposed Financial Access at Birth (FAB) initiative in which every child born in the world is given an initial deposit of $100 in an online bank account to guarantee that everyone in the world will have access to financial services in a few decades.You can read about the initiative by clicking here.. [22:06]
mircea_popescu Professor Chowdhry is the co-founder (with Professor Ivo Welch) and Executive Editor of a new publication Finance & Accounting Memos (FAMe) that makes academic research more accessible for MBA and PhD students, journal" [22:06]
mircea_popescu "some" ? [22:07]
mircea_popescu this guy did nothing his entire fucking life, outside of being a coolie for who the fuck knows what highly placed usg libtard. [22:07]
mircea_popescu and now i wanna know which one. [22:07]
asciilifeform sorta how mr o was for bill ayers [22:07]
mircea_popescu apparently gotta burn this hot iron of "if you lift your head up it WILL get cut off" into ever more ustardian lardass. [22:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out, sandnigger did "some articles" in "some papers". [22:09]
mircea_popescu that's his bio. [22:09]
asciilifeform and he's rich, yes [22:09]
asciilifeform (usg-rich, rather than mircea_popescu-rich, but still) [22:09]
mircea_popescu been at ucla since 1988 (that's 27 years for the mit-educated log readers), and what he has to say for it is "oh, i heard of bitcoin recently". [22:09]
mircea_popescu chicago, by pure coincidence. [22:10]
mircea_popescu they sure got themselves a nice cozy stupid club going there don't they. [22:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo if you feel like hunting down the fabled papers this insult to culture has defecated upon the language of his father's masters, i'd like to hear a summary. [22:13]
mircea_popescu maybe there's something juicy in there like you know, plagiarism (for sure there is), and like mathematica stealing of stuff from people (almost willing to bet) [22:14]
asciilifeform btw plagiarism is as asian as rice. [22:14]
mircea_popescu you don't say. [22:14]
asciilifeform for any martians reading this. [22:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00051382 = 4.1619 BTC [-] [22:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, the entire exercise shows you that the previously discussed reserve powers bother the derps. [22:18]
mircea_popescu gotta find dat satoshi! [22:18]
asciilifeform this stretches the bounds of the plausible [22:19]
mircea_popescu it does ? [22:19]
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asciilifeform if s wouldn't emerge to cash in his premine, why would he emerge for a paltry 1m usd ? [22:19]
asciilifeform esp given as the latter comes with guaranteed einsatzkommando and gasenwagen [22:20]
mircea_popescu i have this pile of very secret derpage here including the very expert "profile" of some random derp explaining how an elderly, principled gentleman is perhaps going to react crazily to the crass injustice of this entire scheme. [22:20]
mircea_popescu maybe i'm not holding it the right side up or something. [22:20]
asciilifeform posted anywhere ? [22:21]
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mircea_popescu no. [22:21]
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asciilifeform any particular reason mircea_popescu would care to share re: why not ? [22:21]
mircea_popescu but if it helps you any, the secret production of the river of meat is no more readable (or worth reading) than its visible outpour. [22:21]
mircea_popescu cuz i said it won't be. [22:22]
asciilifeform l0l ok [22:22]
asciilifeform iirc this was tried at least once earlier [22:23]
asciilifeform when they dressed up the monkey as s [22:23]
asciilifeform on some stage [22:23]
mircea_popescu i have no idea what strained whey must be found in their brainboxes to imagine someone actually gives half a rat's arse what the usg CALLS the moving of moneys from one pocket to another. [22:23]
mircea_popescu the inescapable disease of the stupid, this. [22:24]
mircea_popescu "oh, if i take a million bux and one plastic golden medal from the nobel pocket and put it intop the ucla pocket, someone's going to take it at face value!11" [22:24]
mircea_popescu who the fuck, other than indians 2nd generation in shoes. [22:24]
asciilifeform i suppose it can also be inferred that the coke machine is ready [22:25]
asciilifeform to receive s if and when. [22:25]
* asciilifeform wonders if it was built to his specs as described here [22:25]
mircea_popescu lmao yeah, ucla. [22:25]
mircea_popescu he'll get a professorship. WHO WOULD NOT WANT A PROFESSORSHIP!111 [22:25]
asciilifeform posthumous professorship [22:25]
asciilifeform (have they got these?) [22:26]
mircea_popescu so pervasive, this braindamage. what higher aspiration a gentleman scholar could have than to be trapped on a "campus" populated by monkeys unfit to carry water. [22:26]
asciilifeform actually [22:26]
asciilifeform there are several kinds of 'professorship' some of which don't include actually clocking in [22:26]
* asciilifeform once worked for a fella like that. he showed up every quarter, or so [22:27]
mircea_popescu i'd rather work as an orderly at some establishment dedicated to humor research on public moneys (also known as insane asylum) than be a fucking professor in the us. [22:27]
asciilifeform again, not all of them actually see the monkeys [22:27]
asciilifeform some are just titled gentry pure and simple. [22:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, and that's what they'll make him, too. [22:27]
asciilifeform well, the double [22:27]
mircea_popescu you're so carnal, you know. [22:28]
asciilifeform the man himself, (or bourbaki, etc), if ever shows up, will die in the machine. [22:28]
mircea_popescu this ain't how the thing works. if it abhors anything, it's actual meat. for some reason. [22:28]
mircea_popescu ironic, i guess [22:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00051541 = 20.7195 BTC [+] {2} [22:29]
asciilifeform i suspect that this'd be one of those cases where the constituent parts would spontaneously rearrange themselves on the sheer strength of the premined coin [22:29]
asciilifeform to form whatever it takes to actualize the cokemachine. [22:29]
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mircea_popescu yeah. and obama would go into it. [22:30]
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mircea_popescu the actual boulder of irony in here is that if the usg actually got the stash, it'd crash it. [22:30]
asciilifeform like phalaris into the bull ? [22:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if i was running forward ss in 1985 moscow, what i'd do is have a huge supply of $stuff crash 30 miles from moscow. [22:31]
* asciilifeform still can't picture them wanting anything else in the end other than crashing [22:31]
mircea_popescu end it right there. [22:31]
mircea_popescu the only impediment being that nobody had made essence of jeans and toiletpaper in weightless form, back then. [22:32]
mircea_popescu but bitcoin is by its nature EXACTLY the heroin usg individuals want. [22:32]
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pete_dushenski "it'd crash it." << like boating 'accident' ? [22:33]
mircea_popescu like "o noes, accidentally hercules carrying 200 tons of gold was downed by the brave men of air defense". [22:33]
mircea_popescu "now what" [22:33]
pete_dushenski now germany's sol [22:34]
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mircea_popescu yeah, they won't know who to send the mercedeses to. [22:34]
mircea_popescu while the aparatchicks shoot each other in the street. [22:34]
pete_dushenski china :) [22:35]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo like ? big fan. especially on fiat 500/vw bug. also a fan of plain steely look for winters. [22:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:36]
assbot ... ( ) [22:36]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: or bullet-proof box gets ticked on mercedes order form a little more regularly [22:37]
pete_dushenski like in russia [22:37]
pete_dushenski "oh you want regular s-class ? 3-month wait. bullet-proof ready for pick-up today, we have a lot full of 'em" [22:37]
pete_dushenski << with uzi (?) built into passenger-side door, even. [22:40]
assbot Photos: Mercedes-Benz W126 armored police car | Hooniverse ... ( ) [22:40]
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pete_dushenski << or g-wagen with 'ARMOR LEVEL 6 - CEN 1063 (UP TO) AMMO 7.62mm ASSAULT RIFLE and EXPLOSION 2 x DM51 HAND GRENADES' [22:44]
assbot Armored Mercedes-Benz G-Class For Sale - INKAS Armored Vehicles, Bulletproof Cars, Special Purpose Vehicles ... ( ) [22:44]
pete_dushenski o hey fireworks out my window [22:48]
pete_dushenski << la raison [22:49]
assbot Holiday Light Up - Christmas on the Square (Santa and Fireworks!), Edmonton | Events | Yelp ... ( ) [22:49]
pete_dushenski says intel [22:49]
pete_dushenski "Mayor Don Iveson will welcome Santa from the North Pole, to officially light the 72-ft Christmas Tree! The tree is adorned with 14-thousand LED lights, cascading snowfalls, sparkles, and stars. After the tree ceremony, a spectacular, fireworks show will light up Downtown skies." [22:50]
pete_dushenski or what to do when you have too much money in the public coffers and a lot of young families with jack all to do on a saturday night [22:51]
pete_dushenski the effect would benefit immensely from some snow on the ground, which, incredibly, we don't have yet. [22:51]
pete_dushenski i blame carbon. [22:51]
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jurov !s gasenwagen from:asciilifeform [22:58]
assbot 61 results for 'gasenwagen from:asciilifeform' : [22:58]
jurov !s gasenwagen from:ascii_field [22:58]
assbot 8 results for 'gasenwagen from:ascii_field' : [22:58]
jurov !s ascii_wagen [22:59]
assbot 1 results for 'ascii_wagen' : [22:59]
jurov aok, not yet. [22:59]
asciilifeform l0l, jurov can't wait ? [23:00]
jurov jus' checking [23:01]
* jurov spent the day porting his external brain (foswiki) from perl to common lisp [23:02]
asciilifeform nifty! [23:02]
jurov so far managed only rendering of tables.. but starting to like lisp already [23:03]
asciilifeform using v. sedach's 'parenscript' lib, or ab initio ? [23:03]
jurov ab initio [23:04]
asciilifeform spiffy [23:04]
mircea_popescu o,O [23:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16855 @ 0.00052089 = 8.7796 BTC [+] {2} [23:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00051371 = 19.8806 BTC [-] {3} [23:19]
BingoBoingo << Generally they do urine. But yes can't test for infinity things, but testers only need to go to reddit to discover which research chemicals the kids are eating as "dietary supplements." There's actually a range of chemicals called SARMS going through pre-clinical to Phase III trials as drugs being sold as supplements. God bless China. [23:31]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 22:40:42; mircea_popescu: << there is a very strict limit for testing, specifically that you can't test without reagent, and the reagent must react with something. ergo every single substance tested requires some blood. you can't take eight pints out of athletes, much less infinity pints, so you can't test for infinity things. [23:31]
BingoBoingo << if opportunity presents itself [23:49]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 01:10:22; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you feel like hunting down the fabled papers this insult to culture has defecated upon the language of his father's masters, i'd like to hear a summary. [23:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00052153 = 12.4385 BTC [+] {2} [23:49]
BingoBoingo << yes, but on saturn plasticar [23:53]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 01:33:44; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo like ? big fan. especially on fiat 500/vw bug. also a fan of plain steely look for winters. [23:53]
BingoBoingo << H&K MP5 [23:55]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2015 01:37:30; pete_dushenski: << with uzi (?) built into passenger-side door, even. [23:55]
pete_dushenski aha. good eye [23:57]
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