Forum logs for 15 Jan 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
Apocalyptic | you wouldn't blend well in Miami yeah | [00:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC [+] | [00:10] |
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mike_c | per request: | [00:22] |
mike_c | http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ | [00:22] |
ozbot | Btc Alpha Blog | [00:22] |
benkay | what are you driving that with, mike_c? | [00:22] |
Duffer1 | subscribed | [00:22] |
mike_c | mostly django | [00:23] |
mike_c | thanks duffer | [00:23] |
benkay | ditch it man | [00:23] |
mike_c | for what? | [00:23] |
benkay | django just lost bdfl | [00:23] |
Apocalyptic | python rules | [00:23] |
mike_c | again? | [00:23] |
benkay | mhm. | [00:23] |
mike_c | omg. what a pain. | [00:24] |
mike_c | http://www.holovaty.com/writing/bdfls-retiring/ | [00:24] |
ozbot | Adrian and Jacob retiring as Django BDFLs | Holovaty.com | [00:24] |
benkay | speaking as someone who ekes out the odd food credit derping on django, shit has no future. | [00:24] |
benkay | python has hella robust data science and robust outsider community, but man the web story is fn sad | [00:25] |
Apocalyptic | I would use pyweb then | [00:26] |
Duffer1 | soo unsubscribe? hehe | [00:26] |
mike_c | hehe. nah. django is a great accelerator. lot of out-of-the-box stuff that works well. like that rss-generator. | [00:27] |
kakobrekla | it fails in opera | [00:28] |
mike_c | the feed? | [00:28] |
kakobrekla | yea | [00:28] |
benkay | i'd hazard that the bitcoin alpha biz req's are a little different from my deploy | [00:28] |
kakobrekla | but hey rss sux | [00:28] |
kakobrekla | no wonder the author commited suicide | [00:29] |
Duffer1 | ouch | [00:29] |
pankkake | Atom is better, yes | [00:29] |
kakobrekla | json and gtfo | [00:30] |
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pankkake | well, that json feeds would be nice. write a spec and patch software! | [00:30] |
pankkake | -that | [00:31] |
kakobrekla | i dont want to commit suicide down the lane. | [00:31] |
kakobrekla | brb | [00:31] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00084035 = 10.4203 BTC [-] {2} | [00:57] |
mike_c | ;;later tell kakobrekla does this one work for you? http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/atom/ | [00:58] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [00:58] |
pankkake | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4515286#msg4515286 jimmothy must read #bitcoin-assets since he said options are gambling | [00:59] |
ozbot | [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history? | [00:59] |
Apocalyptic | mike_c, regarding your BitBet and MPex analysis on btcalpha, you claim these are "zero-asset company". I don't think this term is appropriate as they hold at the very least intangible assets such as goodwill resulting from their userbase and the reputation among other things | [01:01] |
pankkake | well then is there such a thing as a zero asset company? | [01:02] |
mike_c | i possibly made up that term as a differentiator from mp's "nonzero asset corporation" | [01:02] |
mike_c | http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ | [01:02] |
ozbot | Accounting for the nonzero asset corporation. The MPEx standard. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope | [01:02] |
mike_c | ah, no, i didn't make it up | [01:03] |
mike_c | "This accounting system is not intended for zero asset corporations" | [01:03] |
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mike_c | i better term might be "zero tangible assets company", but that is a mouthful. | [01:04] |
Apocalyptic | yeah was thinking about that exact formulation | [01:04] |
pankkake | virtual assets company | [01:05] |
Apocalyptic |
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mike_c | it's defined as 0 book value. | [01:09] |
pankkake | yeah… lol | [01:09] |
Apocalyptic | according to http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071005223326AAxjjiN it's related to a holding company, weird | [01:09] |
diametric | pankkake: this thread is amazing. i just started reading back through the posts on it. | [01:09] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [01:09] |
diametric | people are really convinced mircea_popescu is a scam artist | [01:09] |
diametric | its hilarious | [01:10] |
Apocalyptic | "Usually a holding company is an asset-less company" what, I thought a holding company holds share of other companies, which are classified as assets | [01:10] |
pankkake | that's not really bothering me. I wouldn't pay the 30 BTC fee myself, nor do I desire to hold MPOE | [01:10] |
pankkake | but the complete refusal to understand what things are… | [01:11] |
pankkake | I have my opinion, and I'm going to say dumb shit till the end | [01:11] |
pankkake | no matter how stupid it makes me look | [01:11] |
pankkake | and those guys defend scams to the death | [01:11] |
Apocalyptic | pankkake, because in their mind there is no way they could ever be wrong | [01:12] |
pankkake | so you don't want on mpex anyway | [01:12] |
pankkake | +them | [01:12] |
pankkake | but being wrong is how you learn! | [01:12] |
Apocalyptic | once you admit it | [01:13] |
Apocalyptic | and realise you actually are wrong | [01:13] |
pankkake | then you are not wrong | [01:13] |
pankkake | that's how I'm always right | [01:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02510002 = 0.5271 BTC [-] {4} | [01:17] |
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Duffer1 | "Actually useful websites like crypto-trade or havelock as well as coloured coins will continue to gain traction as this shitty scheme dies out." | [01:25] |
Duffer1 | professional grade trolling right there | [01:25] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 161 @ 0.001 = 0.161 BTC [+] | [01:30] |
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mircea_popescu | diametric it's a convenient conviction. | [01:34] |
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mircea_popescu | Apocalyptic the "zero asset" thing is a term of art. a company that retains none of its income but distributes it all as dividends. | [01:35] |
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mircea_popescu | it has a better risk profile for the bitcoin investor than the alternative (if you review the early history of btc scams, 2011s, you'll see most corps turned scams once the "ceo" confronted the problem of "we have cashflow. what to do with that cash ?". | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | somehow "distribute it" never comes to mind. a problem fiat shares, for that matter. (buffett has some great comments on the topic) | [01:36] |
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Namworld | Comments? Is there readily availabe sources to read about that? | [01:46] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 262 @ 0.003889 = 1.0189 BTC [+] | [01:56] |
dub | http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/01/14/usa-medicare-pumps-idINL2N0KO02720140114 | [01:56] |
ozbot | UPDATE 1-Penis pumps cost U.S. government millions, watchdog cries waste | [01:56] |
dub | life imitates art | [01:57] |
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Duffer1 | when uncle sam is paying there's always some asshole chargint them double | [02:02] |
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kakobrekla | ;;later tell mike_c yes. | [02:04] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [02:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8036 @ 0.00084313 = 6.7754 BTC [+] | [02:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+] | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld about what you mean ? | [02:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+] | [02:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00084313 = 12.7313 BTC [+] | [02:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2003 @ 0.001 = 2.003 BTC [+] | [02:17] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6382 @ 0.00084251 = 5.3769 BTC [-] | [02:28] |
nubbins` | hi | [02:29] |
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Namworld | Buffett's comments on the topic | [02:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00084021 = 9.9145 BTC [-] | [02:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6418 @ 0.00084021 = 5.3925 BTC [-] | [02:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 36832 @ 0.001 = 36.832 BTC [+] | [02:41] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1570 @ 0.0000902 = 0.1416 BTC [-] | [02:49] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.0499999 = 2 BTC [+] {2} | [02:52] |
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truffles | any challengers? | [02:57] |
Namworld | challengers? | [02:58] |
truffles | chess | [02:58] |
Namworld | I still want to complete that chess tournament | [02:58] |
Namworld | I did the first game with BingoBoingo | [02:58] |
BingoBoingo | Namworld: Well, you v truffles | [02:58] |
truffles | doesnt have to be in tourny | [02:58] |
Namworld | Well there's a tournament | [02:59] |
BingoBoingo | Yeah. | [02:59] |
* | truffles just needs a pickmeuper | [02:59] |
Namworld | Ok, if you play against 2 other players too in the tournament | [02:59] |
truffles | boingo if u hit "go live" at chess.com it lets timer | [03:00] |
BingoBoingo | lats timer? | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld well now i don't know, i read the stuff in a paper book a while ago. lettuce see | [03:01] |
Namworld | ah, paper book. Too bad. | [03:01] |
truffles | ya, like 5 min, 10 etc | [03:01] |
Namworld | We can play live right here in this channel | [03:02] |
Namworld | Just announce moves. Any board can do. | [03:02] |
truffles | who goes 1st | [03:03] |
Namworld | gribble can toss a coin | [03:03] |
nubbins` | ^^^ | [03:03] |
Namworld | Choose side | [03:03] |
nubbins` | ;;flip | [03:03] |
gribble | Error: "flip" is not a valid command. | [03:03] |
nubbins` | i mean | [03:03] |
nubbins` | ;;coin | [03:03] |
truffles | heads | [03:03] |
gribble | tails | [03:03] |
truffles | boo | [03:03] |
nubbins` | heh | [03:03] |
Namworld | Choose sidenubbins doesn't count | [03:03] |
nubbins` | ;D | [03:04] |
truffles | heads | [03:04] |
nubbins` | <--interloper | [03:04] |
Namworld | ;;coin | [03:04] |
gribble | tails | [03:04] |
truffles | dam coin! | [03:04] |
nubbins` | sometimes i suspect ;;coin is just ;;echo tails | [03:04] |
Duffer1 | coin hates you bro | [03:04] |
BingoBoingo | ;;coin | [03:04] |
gribble | heads | [03:04] |
Namworld | You get to choose the side you want | [03:04] |
truffles | srsly | [03:04] |
nubbins` | so i sold a 0.5btc casascius coin for 6btc earlier today | [03:04] |
Namworld | Erhm I mean I get to | [03:04] |
truffles | me? | [03:04] |
truffles | go | [03:04] |
Namworld | I take blacks | [03:05] |
Namworld | You start your move | [03:05] |
Duffer1 | grats nubbs | [03:05] |
Namworld | I use this: http://www.caissa.com/chess-tools/pgn-editor.php | [03:05] |
Namworld | Make some nice gifs of the games | [03:05] |
nubbins` | thanks, feels good. first one i've sold in a few months | [03:05] |
truffles | e4 | [03:05] |
nubbins` | first of that type, anyway | [03:05] |
truffles | so uh i hope there isnt intermission in this | [03:06] |
Namworld | e5 | [03:06] |
nubbins` | you know what they say about hope | [03:06] |
nubbins` | ;;google you know what they say about hope | [03:06] |
gribble | You know what they say about hope. It breeds eternal ... - Goodreads: |
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truffles | Bb5 | [03:07] |
nubbins` | so close, just a word short | [03:07] |
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truffles | this pace is a bit.. | [03:07] |
truffles | slow | [03:07] |
KRS1 | wut | [03:08] |
Namworld | a6 | [03:08] |
truffles | im sick n tired of these slow movers | [03:08] |
Namworld | I'll try to speed up | [03:08] |
truffles | a4 | [03:08] |
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Namworld | axb5? | [03:09] |
dub | #bitcoin-assets-chessnerds? | [03:09] |
truffles | u said a6? | [03:10] |
nubbins` | jeez, don't be so demanding | [03:10] |
truffles | so im on a4 | [03:10] |
nubbins` | glad i didn't play with you ;( | [03:10] |
truffles | cant take my bishop yet? | [03:11] |
truffles | oh i shouldve typed Ba4? | [03:11] |
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BingoBoingo | truff, yeah anything but a pawn needs further specification | [03:11] |
Namworld | Yeh moved your bishop, Bb5. Do you even have a board in front of you? | [03:12] |
nubbins` | heh. | [03:12] |
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truffles | so what is the ruling on that | [03:12] |
nubbins` | the ruling is that you guys roll back a few moves and get your shit together | [03:12] |
nubbins` | also | [03:12] |
nubbins` | whoever is white should be numbering their moves | [03:12] |
Namworld | Start again with http://www.caissa.com/chess-tools/pgn-editor.php to track moves | [03:13] |
nubbins` | e.g.: 1. e4 | [03:13] |
Namworld | The moves will be accurate and the same for each | [03:13] |
truffles | sigh | [03:13] |
nubbins` | 2. Bb5, etc | [03:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0248 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2} | [03:13] |
nubbins` | makes it a lot less confusing | [03:13] |
truffles | typing things by hand so | [03:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 215 @ 0.00265948 = 0.5718 BTC [-] {10} | [03:13] |
truffles | begin again? | [03:14] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 113 @ 0.00244437 = 0.2762 BTC [-] {5} | [03:14] |
Namworld | Let's register on caissa and play live chess | [03:14] |
truffles | :D | [03:15] |
truffles | no chess.com acct? | [03:15] |
Namworld | No. Do they provide replays of games? | [03:15] |
BingoBoingo | Namworld chess.com lets you download pgn's so yeah | [03:15] |
truffles | Boingo provided pastebin of our last game so? | [03:15] |
Namworld | BingoBoingo already played you? | [03:16] |
truffles | ya 1-2 | [03:16] |
truffles | r u registering or ? | [03:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 935 @ 0.001 = 0.935 BTC [+] | [03:17] |
Namworld | I'm registering on chess.com | [03:17] |
truffles | yay | [03:18] |
Namworld | How do we play against each other now? | [03:18] |
truffles | invite by alias or email | [03:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00084253 = 19.2097 BTC [+] | [03:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1213 @ 0.001 = 1.213 BTC [+] | [03:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14982 @ 0.00084231 = 12.6195 BTC [-] {2} | [03:25] |
truffles | Namworld still thinks this chess.com game will be valid :D | [03:26] |
BingoBoingo | truffles well, it would be if you post some PGN | [03:26] |
truffles | i c | [03:26] |
BingoBoingo | I believe as long as there is someting verifiable it should be good. | [03:27] |
truffles | gonna try not to make noob mistake for future challengers | [03:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+] | [03:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10386 @ 0.00084101 = 8.7347 BTC [-] {2} | [03:38] |
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Apocalyptic | who's got a chess.com account ? | [03:45] |
truffles | every1 | [03:45] |
Apocalyptic | i feel like playing chess tonight | [03:45] |
truffles | wanna play timed ? | [03:45] |
truffles | obv not this moment | [03:46] |
Apocalyptic | yeah, let me remember my password first | [03:46] |
truffles | either namworld is thinking or disconnected :( | [03:46] |
Apocalyptic | timed != live ? | [03:46] |
truffles | well u have to go to live chess to get the timers | [03:47] |
Apocalyptic | what's your nick truffles ? | [03:47] |
truffles | id like 10min, no increment | [03:47] |
truffles | trufss | [03:47] |
Apocalyptic | seems good | [03:47] |
truffles | might as well since he's not here | [03:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00084396 = 23.7997 BTC [+] | [03:48] |
Apocalyptic | Albania really ? | [03:49] |
truffles | lol | [03:49] |
truffles | u sent invite? | [03:49] |
truffles | havent figured out this yet | [03:50] |
dub | elbownia | [03:50] |
Apocalyptic | yep | [03:50] |
Apocalyptic | hum I actually have some decent ratings there | [03:52] |
truffles | how do u add time to it | [03:52] |
Apocalyptic | go to live chess | [03:53] |
truffles | ya i always get randoms! | [03:53] |
Apocalyptic | you should see me on the friend tab | [03:53] |
truffles | nope, u start it | [03:53] |
Apocalyptic | http://live.chess.com/ | [03:54] |
ozbot | Play Chess Online - Free Chess Games at Chess.com | [03:54] |
Apocalyptic | I could if you were there | [03:54] |
truffles | refresh | [03:54] |
truffles | ok | [03:55] |
truffles | dangit! | [03:58] |
truffles | u missed that 1 :D | [03:58] |
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Apocalyptic | blunder :) | [04:00] |
truffles | no2 | [04:00] |
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Namworld | I'm back truffles, sorry | [04:01] |
truffles | 2 mins | [04:02] |
decimation | Buffet is a famous dividend hater. Partially because of dividend tax treatment in the US, and partially because he believes in reinvesting in the company or buying back shares. | [04:02] |
decimation | Most fiat companies use buybacks to pump up the stock price as ceo's sell their own shares | [04:03] |
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Apocalyptic | ^ | [04:03] |
Apocalyptic | dat fork truffles | [04:04] |
truffles | ugh | [04:04] |
Apocalyptic | heh, good game | [04:04] |
truffles | rematch soon | [04:04] |
Apocalyptic | now what did I miss ? | [04:04] |
Apocalyptic |
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Apocalyptic |
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truffles | queen x knight | [04:04] |
Apocalyptic | what move # ? | [04:04] |
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truffles | around 10 | [04:05] |
Apocalyptic | oh 9. | [04:05] |
Apocalyptic | yeah... I was blind | [04:05] |
Apocalyptic | anyway since I took the knight i just had to trade to ensure a clear win | [04:05] |
truffles | sigh i forgot what i was doing with namworld now lol | [04:05] |
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Apocalyptic | is he any good ? | [04:06] |
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Apocalyptic | oh no I see | [04:06] |
truffles | dunno yea | [04:06] |
Apocalyptic | it was a bait truffles | [04:06] |
truffles | yet | [04:06] |
truffles | shhh | [04:06] |
Apocalyptic | if I took the night you would win my queen | [04:06] |
Apocalyptic | after Re1 my queen would have been pinned | [04:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 314 @ 0.00084396 = 0.265 BTC [+] | [04:07] |
truffles | u think so? | [04:07] |
Apocalyptic | i'm certain | [04:08] |
Apocalyptic | see for yourself, but it's a typical tactic called pin | [04:08] |
truffles | uh huh | [04:08] |
Apocalyptic | my queen cannot move before it would expose my king to direct check from your rook | [04:08] |
truffles | not visualizing that game | [04:09] |
Apocalyptic | my only sane move is to take the rook, and I lose the queen at the next move | [04:09] |
Apocalyptic | i'm talking about our game | [04:09] |
truffles | im in a bad position already with namworld! | [04:09] |
Apocalyptic | Namworld, what's your chess.com nick ? | [04:09] |
truffles | click my name u can see the match | [04:10] |
Apocalyptic | that's the thing, i can't | [04:10] |
Apocalyptic | since it's not a live one | [04:10] |
Apocalyptic | Namworld is taking ages... | [04:18] |
truffles | standard | [04:18] |
Apocalyptic | i recreated a game | [04:20] |
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mircea_popescu | .d | [04:24] |
ozbot | 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1693 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.7893% in 10d 0h 14m 13s | [04:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02499998 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2} | [04:30] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7370 @ 0.001 = 7.37 BTC [+] | [04:38] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.532 BTC [+] | [04:44] |
truffles | gg | [04:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 531 @ 0.001 = 0.531 BTC [+] | [04:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6617 @ 0.00084042 = 5.5611 BTC [-] | [04:47] |
Namworld | I have conceded | [04:47] |
Namworld | I've played awfully | [04:47] |
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Namworld | I shall be away for a while | [04:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 41 @ 0.00370463 = 0.1519 BTC [-] {2} | [04:55] |
decimation | Assuming btc continues to become more valuable at its current rate, what capital activity will return more future value than simply holding Bitcoin? | [04:58] |
decimation | This seems to be the central question of bitcoin finance. | [04:58] |
Apocalyptic | indeed decimation | [04:59] |
Duffer1 | gambling and drugs | [04:59] |
decimation | well, mining and gambling in bitcoin come to mind | [04:59] |
Apocalyptic | and so far i think it's holding bitcoin that is most profitable | [04:59] |
decimation | as in, mining bitcoin | [04:59] |
Duffer1 | mining isn't profitable | [04:59] |
decimation | Well, it depends on your assumptions | [04:59] |
Duffer1 | maybe if you owned stock in the manufacturer you'd do well | [05:00] |
decimation | If btc surprises to the upside again, then mining might be retrospectively valuable | [05:00] |
decimation | only if the manufacturer's stock were denominated in bitcoin | [05:00] |
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Duffer1 | but not as valuable as just buying btc and holding for that same perior | [05:00] |
Duffer1 | period | [05:00] |
decimation | that's likely the case, I agree. | [05:01] |
nubbins` | having a brutal time installing ubuntu on this netbook | [05:01] |
decimation | If you can purchase a miner in bitcoin though, that counts as a bitcoin investment | [05:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+] | [05:02] |
decimation | if you don't wish to buy with fiat for whatever reason | [05:02] |
nubbins` | technically purchasing a miner with btc is a bitcoin divestment | [05:02] |
decimation | true | [05:02] |
nubbins` | not only technically but practically, too | [05:02] |
decimation | it's really a bet that the difficulty won't go up as much as everyone hopes/fears in the future | [05:03] |
decimation | a long bet | [05:03] |
Duffer1 | btc -> fiat -> vps mine shitaltcoin#1361235 -> dump on sucker on craptsy = more btc than you started with | [05:04] |
decimation | heh | [05:04] |
decimation | well scams are always profitable | [05:04] |
decimation | as long as you can find a greater fool | [05:04] |
truffles | http://pastebin.com/embed_iframe.php?i=q9vr8LT4 the match | [05:04] |
nubbins` | risk being that you're the greatest fool | [05:04] |
decimation | indeed | [05:05] |
nubbins` | someone's going to be left holding millions of dogecoin | [05:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+] | [05:05] |
decimation | buying altcoin is like investing in silver | [05:05] |
decimation | anyone with common sense knows it's going to crash and burn | [05:05] |
Duffer1 | hehehe | [05:05] |
BingoBoingo | Well yeah, digging new silver is relatively cheap | [05:05] |
decimation | but you might convince a greater fool to buy your silver and make a profit | [05:06] |
decimation | right that's my point | [05:06] |
Duffer1 | titanium ftw | [05:06] |
Duffer1 | ^ not real advice | [05:06] |
nubbins` | cim/cif ftw | [05:07] |
nubbins` | ^ real advice | [05:07] |
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mircea_popescu | speaking of the entire silver thing, what happened to pietilla, goat and usagi ? | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | the three silversketeers | [05:07] |
BingoBoingo | First two still seem to be on the forum... who knows about Usagi anymore. | [05:07] |
Duffer1 | afaik goat's still working on his silver ltc project | [05:07] |
nubbins` | goat changed his name on the forums | [05:08] |
nubbins` | it's now uh, one sec | [05:08] |
nubbins` | "[Default Trust] is Tyrannically Centralized! (goat)" | [05:08] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [05:09] |
BingoBoingo | Dunno what people are up in arms about. Default Trust is just a user account on the forums that can be given negative trust | [05:10] |
nubbins` | Duffer1: i've got some lovely certificates designed for those | [05:10] |
Duffer1 | oh cool i didn't know you were involved | [05:10] |
nubbins` | nah, default trust is a list of people that, by default, all new users "trust" | [05:10] |
nubbins` | i.e. their feedback appears in the "trusted feedback" section of a user's trust page | [05:11] |
BingoBoingo | nubbins`: Well, they still implement the list by making it a user account and it can be given negative feeback just like any other. | [05:11] |
nubbins` | ah, interesting | [05:11] |
nubbins` | anyway, huge uproar about it all | [05:12] |
BingoBoingo | nubbins`: See here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=122551 | [05:12] |
nubbins` | pretty silly idea | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` yeah, huge uproar in the sense that scammors are really butthurt there's some stuff they can't readily manipulate. | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416304.0 | [05:16] |
ozbot | Anyone still waiting for an Avalon Batch 3 refund? | [05:16] |
mircea_popescu | the thick plot that keeps thickening | [05:16] |
nubbins` | heh, ;( | [05:17] |
nubbins` | this image popped up in one of the old avalon threads, i lel'd heavily | [05:17] |
nubbins` | http://i.imgur.com/gNguKJd.jpg | [05:17] |
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BingoBoingo | So all of Yifu's Avalon coins would get flagged dirty in his coinvalidator anyways | [05:18] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile, "Hi I am a 25 years old Italian boy. I entered the bitcoin about one year ago, so I am not so noob even if not expert." | [05:18] |
nubbins` | i entered the bitcoin | [05:18] |
nubbins` | it protested some, but it's a man's world | [05:18] |
jborkl | I blew a 1 and a 0 as I enteredbit | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | entered the bitcoin | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | i think ima use this line | [05:19] |
nubbins` | when did you enter the bitcoin? | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | "baby spread wide, i'ma enter your bitcoin" | [05:19] |
mircea_popescu | your thebitcoin | [05:19] |
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nubbins` | he entered the bitcoin forcefully and without mercy | [05:20] |
asciilifeform | anybody wonder how many people purchase miners just to launder coin? | [05:21] |
Duffer1 | interesting idea | [05:21] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Well Good ole Trendon did that | [05:22] |
asciilifeform | miner shits out the cleanest possible coin, so in principle if one's coin is 'dirty' enough, a miner might seem like a good investment. | [05:22] |
nubbins` | 50 cents on the dollar if you're lucky | [05:22] |
asciilifeform | a penny to the dollar is still better than the gasenwagen. | [05:23] |
nubbins` | true | [05:23] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform this is what "the community" didn't belive pirate's hash exchange was for. | [05:23] |
BingoBoingo | nubbins`: What you do is start a pool and pay out better than the other pools | [05:23] |
truffles | nubbins ure next | [05:23] |
truffles | ? | [05:23] |
BingoBoingo | nubbins`: No need to own the hardware yourself. | [05:23] |
decimation | what if mining guilds are doing this today? | [05:24] |
asciilifeform | as i understand, not too many people are presently concerned with dirt | [05:24] |
asciilifeform | other than the authors of the few most egregious heists | [05:25] |
nubbins` | ^ | [05:25] |
asciilifeform | does anyone give a damn about coin history in those famous bars where people trade suitcases of benjamins for btc? | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=413241.msg4506680#msg4506680 << more best friends for pankkake | [05:26] |
ozbot | IcyHash Pool/Spork985 refusing to produce or explain multiple missing coins | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | "o you sent fiddy altcoins extra ? allow me to edit all the previous scamscreams!" | [05:26] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform all coins are and will remain equal. this is the concept known as fungibility. | [05:27] |
Duffer1 | wtf is a clockcoin? | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | Duffer1 yes. | [05:27] |
decimation | is there a pool that publishes its accounting? | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | "It sounds like you need a few slaps in the face to get in touch with society." | [05:27] |
asciilifeform | fungibility in this case is an ideal, not the actual reality on the ground (atoms of Au are fungible, btc aren't - at least, as presently implemented) | [05:27] |
mircea_popescu | decimation p2pool used to i think ? | [05:28] |
nubbins` | the bars i frequent are not the sort of places where one would bring a suitcase full of benjamins | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform bitcoins are more fungible than gold ever was, in practice. | [05:28] |
nubbins` | maybe i'm frequenting the wrong bars ;( | [05:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 485 @ 0.001 = 0.485 BTC [+] | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | all those series on bars and so forth, they're kinda there to limit fungibility | [05:28] |
asciilifeform | i always thought it was a practical measure, to let people skimp on assaying | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | this actually works as an argument. bitcoin needs no assaying, which makes it more fungible than something that does. | [05:30] |
asciilifeform | this much is true | [05:31] |
asciilifeform | but btc, unlike atoms of Au, has a public history, a fact that users ignore at their peril | [05:31] |
decimation | if it's discovered that your wallet directly traded with a known thief's wallet - you might have problems one day | [05:31] |
BingoBoingo | Well, if your gold was exposed to neutron radiation it may endanger your health one day | [05:32] |
asciilifeform | 'the magic gold glowed blue in the water.' | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | explain this "you might have problems one day" | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | if you spend time in a smoky room "you might have problems one day" | [05:33] |
asciilifeform | Der Ring des Nibelungen | [05:34] |
asciilifeform | (re: magic gold) | [05:34] |
kakobrekla | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-14/wells-fargo-americas-largest-bank-market-cap-pushing-offer-bitcoin-services | [05:34] |
ozbot | Wells Fargo, America's Largest Bank By Market Cap, Pushing To Offer Bitcoin Services | Zero Hedge | [05:34] |
nubbins` | hm | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, discovering that your wallet directly traded with anyone is an exercise in impossibility. | [05:34] |
asciilifeform | this concern is more in line with 'spend enough time in a smoky enough room, and you'll choke' | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | i tell you i don't see it. | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | run me through a scenario where you actually identify such a "direct trade" | [05:35] |
asciilifeform | well, the trivial case: | [05:35] |
nubbins` | feds sieze wallet of Derp Pirate Roy | [05:36] |
nubbins` | last tx was 10k bitcoin to 1blahblah | [05:36] |
asciilifeform | 1) 0day 2) clean out 'mtgox' or the like 3) same coin is deposited in exchange acct. with truename next day 4) gasenwagen | [05:36] |
nubbins` | google search turns up whatever | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | so what if google search turns up whatever ? i can make google show up a shaved baboon when you google for nubbins | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | what of it ? | [05:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+] | [05:36] |
Duffer1 | do it | [05:36] |
asciilifeform | man with at least the brain of a slug would attempt to clean the booty somehow | [05:37] |
nubbins` | heh | [05:37] |
nubbins` | that would be fun | [05:37] |
nubbins` | anyway, merge my thought with alf's | [05:37] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform let's go through this. mtgox wallet is emptied to address A. | [05:37] |
mircea_popescu | address A sends back to mtgox for credit ? the same bitcoin ? | [05:37] |
asciilifeform | well, let's have it be spent at 'coin bullion' (?) or the like. | [05:38] |
nubbins` | let's buy trilema credits with it | [05:38] |
asciilifeform | or buy a shipping container of whatever strange. | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | and so i have to judge this situation where you say coinbullion googled your name and used it to cover their theft | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | and coinbullion claims you're a haxxor ? | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | i'm throwing it out, it can't be resolved. | [05:38] |
asciilifeform | traditional court might throw out the accusation. but courts are not the only mechanism for Having Problems. | [05:39] |
asciilifeform | the fellow who got pwned might have his own ideas about justice | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | in which case we're back to your problems being widely abusable power, which is not a bitcoin thing. | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | you could get fucked by some guy who thinks he saw you fucking his wife. | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | or whatever. | [05:40] |
asciilifeform | it is entirely true, and a good point, that the blockchain can be used by a skilled conniver to point blame at some random third party. | [05:40] |
BingoBoingo | This sounds like the sort of case where BitBet could replace the court as a solution and to the laundering. Step one. Take positions on a Difficulty bet paying out to addresses with publicized different owners as well as addresses with unknown owners. | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, there's no good reason to presume this is not happening at any point, nor particularly easy or even possible to prove so. | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin payments happen at order, without acceptance. | [05:42] |
decimation | what if one were to use a deterministic wallet address derived from retina features for instance | [05:42] |
asciilifeform | i vaguely recall the loot from various famous heists sitting quietly, never spent | [05:42] |
asciilifeform | why would that be? | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | why not ? | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | most btc sits quietly, never spent. | [05:42] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: That seems like a wallet I wouldn't want to use. | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | it's what it likes to do. fiat runs and bitcoin rests. | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | decimation even so, once an address is out it is public. | [05:43] |
asciilifeform | decimation: the problem with biometric-anything is that you shout your 'password' every time you touch something (or, in this case, look in an eyehole) | [05:43] |
mircea_popescu | well... for a pulse anyway | [05:44] |
decimation | indeed, it would be idiotic. But it would be difficult to deny that it's not your wallet | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | but it would be stil lequally easy to deny that it's your transaction. | [05:44] |
decimation | true | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | i can send you a bitcoin whether you wish to accept it or not, and whether you know or not | [05:44] |
asciilifeform | it's yours and the first person who sets you up to look through an eyehole. | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | this was the nail that sunk the rota, practically. | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | as citizen-judges didn't quite grok the abyss. | [05:45] |
asciilifeform | i recall some joker sent out a mountain of coin, a few satoshi at a time, to see where it gets consolidated | [05:45] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform: that's still happening | [05:45] |
nubbins` | one sec | [05:45] |
nubbins` | https://blockchain.info/address/1FFirnLctcZxVx5otnLNZ4dDGUkMBM4vNr | [05:46] |
ozbot | Bitcoin Address 1FFirnLctcZxVx5otnLNZ4dDGUkMBM4vNr | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=318830.0 this is the funniest shit ever | [05:46] |
ozbot | Cease and Desist Letter to ASICSRUS | [05:46] |
nubbins` | well, not sure of the motivation | [05:46] |
nubbins` | but ~37btc dished out so far | [05:47] |
nubbins` | in 0.001btc increments | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | there's another answer to this | [05:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00084042 = 4.034 BTC [-] | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | (other than 'consolidation bait') | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html?hp&_r=0 | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | data storage! | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | more from the "nsa killed my auntie" club | [05:48] |
nubbins` | data storage? | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | yes. | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | the addrs encode bits. | [05:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 332 @ 0.001 = 0.332 BTC [+] | [05:49] |
asciilifeform | these may well be commands for a chumpnet. | [05:49] |
benkay | why not push coins across mpex? | [05:49] |
nubbins` | maybe. a few of the sends ended up on casascius rounds | [05:49] |
asciilifeform | the addrs are probably plucked out of the blockchain at random. | [05:49] |
asciilifeform | but with a useful pattern | [05:50] |
nubbins` | nod, search for funded addresses | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | wouldn't the addrs actually be used as payload then ? | [05:50] |
asciilifeform | say, lower 8 bits encode payload fragment. | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | why not use the whole thing ? | [05:50] |
asciilifeform | because then the tx can be flagged as weird | [05:50] |
asciilifeform | and, say, blockchain.info might decide to hide it | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | wait what ?! | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | how did you figure that ? | [05:51] |
asciilifeform | who wouldn't love to see the server log for https://blockchain.info/address/1HrMpG9JZ71gzXHPdyo2dwcExhKRGtBjQg# ? | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | obviously you use a valid address | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | that's not much restriction. | [05:51] |
asciilifeform | the tx needs to be algorithmically indistinguishable from a 'civilian' tx | [05:51] |
asciilifeform | ideally the valid addr belongs to someone else | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | yes, which only means it has the checksum and starts with 1 | [05:51] |
asciilifeform | someone with a perfectly 'organic' usage pattern. | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | eh get out, new addresses get used all the time | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | there's no benefit in using some "organic" address. nor does this actually exist. | [05:52] |
asciilifeform | sure. but the idea is, let's say AV firm goes to blockchain.info and says | [05:52] |
asciilifeform | 'don't show these. this is a chumpnet artist' | [05:52] |
asciilifeform | what's the best way to make them say 'goto hell' ? | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | it can say whatever the hell it wants. every time you make a payment a fraction is sent to a wholly new address | [05:52] |
asciilifeform | answer: use civilian addrs. | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | completely indistinguishable from any address this guy'd make | [05:52] |
asciilifeform | this is also a handy way to store bits in the chain that will never, under any conceivable scheme, get 'pruned.' | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | old txn past the checkpoint may get pruned eventually. | [05:53] |
asciilifeform | dollars to doughnuts, the receiver for these broadcasts doesn't implement a full node | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | you know how checkpoints work ? | [05:54] |
asciilifeform | it almost certainly fetches from blockchain.info or the like. | [05:54] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 206 @ 0.001 = 0.206 BTC [+] {2} | [05:57] |
asciilifeform | yes, i know about checkpoint; hence the need to rebroadcast periodically. | [05:57] |
asciilifeform | this is just one possible explanation, of course | [05:57] |
asciilifeform | far more likely is the traditional hypothesis (bait), or a simple laundry. | [05:58] |
nubbins` | silly laundry sending coins to other people's addresses | [05:58] |
KRS1 | .bait | [05:58] |
asciilifeform | like the proverbial kid who sneaks into the school computer to change grades | [05:58] |
ozbot | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m82tlgsiWG1qdoxp5o1_1280.jpg | [05:58] |
asciilifeform | he damn well knows he needs to change many, not only his own | [05:59] |
nubbins` | fair | [05:59] |
decimation | heh. If someone were to steal all the btc from mtgox and distribute them to the last 1,000 addresses that mined at least one block would be considered a hero | [06:00] |
asciilifeform | 'robin hood' is good fun so long as you're on the correct end of him, yes | [06:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00084075 = 22.448 BTC [+] | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | the moral here is that willy-nilly bitcoin will bring about deep and far reaching changes in human society, culture and mentality. | [06:01] |
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mircea_popescu | what property means and what remedies for theft are will change. | [06:01] |
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asciilifeform | 'the cold equations.' | [06:02] |
mircea_popescu | much in the way what tax means and what taxation entails will change, | [06:02] |
decimation | indeed | [06:02] |
mircea_popescu | much in the way what law and the courts are will change and so on | [06:02] |
decimation | how can a government promise to pay more bitcoin than exists for instance? | [06:02] |
asciilifeform | seems almost certain that the days in which you needed to corner somebody in the flesh to collect a tax, will come back. | [06:02] |
mircea_popescu | decimation that's a subset of "how can public companies be worth more than 20mn btc. they can." | [06:02] |
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decimation | true | [06:04] |
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mircea_popescu | just as long as the promise isn't to pay in specie and in one go, it still can stand. | [06:04] |
decimation | but the lack of an implicit printing press will surely encourage the investors to be more skeptical | [06:04] |
decimation | implicit promise to bailout I mean | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | even in practice, in the 1800s multiple governments owed more gold than was actually available in the world at the time | [06:04] |
decimation | well that didn't work out well for germany | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | this didn't always and didn't necessarily result in a default | [06:05] |
decimation | or the UK | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | tho it oft resulted in wars | [06:05] |
asciilifeform | wouldn't that be more like owing 'MAX_INT' gold? | [06:05] |
nubbins` | decimation: germany is doing just fine ;p | [06:05] |
decimation | well, it also caused the US to abandon gold | [06:05] |
asciilifeform | sort of how the average american owes MAX_INT dollars to somebody or other. | [06:05] |
decimation | although it was mostly fiction anyway at that point | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | that wasn't in the 1800s | [06:06] |
decimation | yeah I'm thinking WWI | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | in the 1800s the us was a bit player, fighting with mexico over the silver export to china | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | sort of like today's ukraine or what have you. | [06:06] |
nubbins` | old women holding mirrors up to riot police | [06:07] |
decimation | indeed, lincoln started the fiat craze to fund his religious war | [06:07] |
mircea_popescu | o, you figure cause southerners weren't protestant enough ? | [06:07] |
mircea_popescu | or not the proper type of dour ? | [06:08] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Southerners weren't poor enough | [06:08] |
asciilifeform | decimation: there was precedent. plenty of u.s. localities had local crackpot fiats | [06:08] |
decimation | yeah, banking back then was pretty much like trusting bitcointalk scammers with your money | [06:08] |
asciilifeform | where banking today is a little more like trusting mtgox with it | [06:09] |
nubbins` | heh | [06:09] |
nubbins` | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_dollar | [06:10] |
ozbot | Newfoundland dollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | [06:10] |
nubbins` | fun fact, my grandmother was born a british citizen, never left her hometown, and died a canadian citizen | [06:10] |
KRS1 | When can I start trading pokemon and magic: the gathering on MtGox | [06:10] |
decimation | ascii - solzhenitzyn said that they were meat wagons (in the end of The First Circle) | [06:10] |
decimation | gasenwagon must come from East Germany or something | [06:11] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` that's nothing, plenty of old women around the balkans shed 5-6-7 nationalities | [06:11] |
nubbins` | ha, too true | [06:11] |
nubbins` | nationalities that still exist tho? | [06:11] |
asciilifeform | gasenwagen - russian corruption of 'gaswagen' - in actuality, merely a truck powered by coal gas (wood stove bolted on the back, pumps out CO, which you can just barely run an engine on.) | [06:12] |
decimation | lol | [06:12] |
asciilifeform | these trucks are often confused, by amateur historians, for the famous mobile gassers | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` sort-of, not rly | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | austro hungarian, yugoslavian etc | [06:12] |
nubbins` | ah, nod | [06:12] |
asciilifeform | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-V00670A,_Berlin,_Auto_mit_Holzgasantrieb.jpg | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | as there's only 20 years between the two wars, and plenty of locales changed hands multiple times... it happens. | [06:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00084107 = 10.0928 BTC [+] {2} | [06:13] |
decimation | anyway, to mp's original point about change, I think there is a fundamental truth about human nature. Humans require suffering to calibrate their joy | [06:13] |
asciilifeform | i'm told there are a few in finland that still work. perhaps reptilia owns one | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | dude this guy... is he courting me personally ? | [06:13] |
nubbins` | the referendum to join canada was passed with a scant 52% voting yes | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | first with the lincoln, now with the spankings... | [06:14] |
decimation | no, what I mean is that the fiat regime allows the delusion of infinite wealth | [06:14] |
decimation | humanity gets dumb, fat, lazy | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | decimation yeah well, i've been saying this to everyone's exhaustion for the past coupla years or w/e. | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | we just agree too much. | [06:15] |
decimation | heh | [06:15] |
Duffer1 | forced participation in welfare systems does not equal lethargy | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | Duffer1 but what's forced mean ? | [06:16] |
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Duffer1 | unable to sustain without | [06:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 364 @ 0.001 = 0.364 BTC [+] | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | that's not forced, that's mere convenience. | [06:16] |
Duffer1 | it's survival | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | well that it may be, sure. | [06:17] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC [+] | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | problem with this approach is that if you follow it you'll end up filing rape charges against the only woman that'd have you | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | because clearly she forced you through your lack of other options. | [06:20] |
Duffer1 | :P | [06:21] |
decimation | for instance, the gasenwagen picture supplied by ascii. It's amazing to me that someone with the mechanical competence to assemble such a contraption would be unable to buy a few gallons of fuel | [06:21] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | decimation there's no requirement that fuel availability and mechanical complexity relate in any particular proportion. | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | most populations were unable to acquire a few pounds of iron, | [06:22] |
mircea_popescu | notwithstanding their astounding other accomplishments, | [06:22] |
mircea_popescu | and so got trampled underfoot by those with better meteoric exposure. | [06:22] |
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mircea_popescu | hence the famous "the iron! oh my god the iron!" | [06:22] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+] | [06:24] |
asciilifeform | 'tiger' tank is even more complex. | [06:26] |
asciilifeform | what of it. | [06:26] |
decimation | well, like bitcoin, the Werhmacht's fuel supply was theirs to lose | [06:30] |
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mircea_popescu | .d | [13:34] |
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pankkake | http://cointerra.com/engineering-updates-terraminer-iv-hashing-live/ | [14:01] |
pankkake | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307042.msg4524561#msg4524561 lol | [14:05] |
ozbot | [PicoStocks] CoinTerra [coint] | [14:05] |
mircea_popescu | wait wut ?! | [14:06] |
mircea_popescu | ahaha more of the "making roi hand over fist" | [14:07] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.03978518 = 0.5172 BTC [-] {4} | [14:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+] | [14:11] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+] | [14:14] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+] | [14:15] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03978667 = 0.3979 BTC [+] {4} | [14:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.0029 = 0.9976 BTC [+] | [14:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.79989995 BTC [+] | [14:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03979999 = 0.199 BTC [+] | [14:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 106 @ 0.025 = 2.65 BTC [-] {4} | [14:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.000842 = 12.5037 BTC [+] | [14:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24356 @ 0.00084034 = 20.4673 BTC [-] {3} | [14:39] |
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mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/ | [14:49] |
ozbot | A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [14:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.00289365 = 0.8652 BTC [-] {3} | [14:51] |
truffles | blogging is "important" nowadays huh :D | [14:52] |
mircea_popescu | definitely. | [14:53] |
KRS1 | i used to think otherwise | [14:54] |
truffles | what has caused the change of view? | [14:54] |
KRS1 | lol schmucks | [14:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 347 @ 0.0422545 = 14.6623 BTC [+] {23} | [14:56] |
truffles | ? | [14:56] |
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KRS1 | for me, personally, it has been the realization that people need more meat and potatoes so to speak than just a flashy website that just gets the point across..it provides a substantial base of information that compliments and validates your site or your image. | [14:57] |
mircea_popescu | definitely. | [14:57] |
truffles | 0.0 | [14:58] |
VanCleef | its pretty homoerotic tho | [14:58] |
VanCleef | twitter is more important than a blog | [14:58] |
KRS1 | In many cases it gives the visitor a doggie bag or a sample of knowledge or data that they may be able to use. Sometimes closing the deal on sales or further investment of your idea or product. | [14:59] |
KRS1 | I see twitter as a different type of tool than a blog, not more or less important. | [15:00] |
truffles | u think ppl have time to read wall of text | [15:00] |
truffles | have time = want | [15:00] |
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KRS1 | They make time to read what they are looking for, as long as its delivered to them in a way they can digest it, I suppose. For instance, I read the Wall St. Journal primarily for the Marktplace section. I get and enjoy information from other parts as a side benefit. | [15:02] |
truffles | ure a nerd though | [15:02] |
KRS1 | But I go hard, I drink with friends in bars, strip clubs and I enjoy street and drag racing. | [15:03] |
KRS1 | Whats it matter | [15:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 6091 @ 0.001 = 6.091 BTC [+] | [15:03] |
truffles | just trying to say u put in more effort than most ppl prob | [15:04] |
KRS1 | maybe..but idk today is a new day and age..ppl suprise me from time to time. | [15:04] |
truffles | sure | [15:05] |
KRS1 | its going to be cold here in south florida next few days..might see 30 degrees, highs of only 60's 70 degrees. brrr.. | [15:05] |
truffles | oh thats sooo cold | [15:06] |
mircea_popescu | truffles what's with this arrogand, offensive anti-intellectualism ? | [15:06] |
mircea_popescu | people enjoy reading, because people enjoy not being americans every chance they get. | [15:06] |
truffles | im anti intellectual? | [15:06] |
mircea_popescu | course there are those less fortunate who rarely get such a chance, but you're basically arguing that they should be opressed moar just to keep it up. | [15:07] |
truffles | not arguing in either direction, its called observation | [15:07] |
mircea_popescu | you're also a weasel, but whatever. | [15:07] |
mircea_popescu | didn't you just call the guy a nerd for not being as stupid as you'd like people to be generally ? | [15:08] |
mircea_popescu | he's not a nerd, you're scum, that's all. | [15:08] |
twizt | lol | [15:08] |
truffles | i just roll my eyes | [15:09] |
truffles | so over the top trying to be right? | [15:09] |
mircea_popescu | read a book instead. same effort, moar results. | [15:09] |
truffles | id like to know what definition ure using for weasel and scum | [15:10] |
KRS1 | =/ | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | weasel is someone who behaves arrogantly and offensively anti-thinking, and when they have it pointed out to them they claim they were "just observing", in your case. | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | more generally, any passive-aggressive behaviour fits under weasel. | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | and scum is one who thinks that the solution to their own stupidity and laziness is enticing, encouraging and if need be forcing everyone else to be equally lazy and stupid. | [15:12] |
truffles | how was i being arrogant in this case | [15:12] |
mircea_popescu |
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mircea_popescu | they're the same substance, "let's presume inferiority abroad" | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | such presumption is the core of arrogance. | [15:13] |
truffles | anyone could be a nerd | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | no. anyone could be you. | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | being what you call a nerd takes some sweat. | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | or in other words, any fuckwit can "roll their eyes" pointlessly. actually reading a book takes some effort. | [15:14] |
truffles | arguing with u would take effort | [15:14] |
truffles | id have to painstakingly present the idea | [15:14] |
truffles | and i cant be arsed | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | it does also save you from making a fool of yourself thinking hemingway invented donne, but that's i suppose a minor point, especially if you are careful to live among people who won't laugh to your face for it. | [15:14] |
truffles | sigh | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | see ? now that's scum :) | [15:15] |
truffles | one doesnt have to use big words but if ure constantly using profanity to exert an opinion its kinda hopeless | [15:17] |
mircea_popescu | you may wish to check the definition of profanity. | [15:17] |
mircea_popescu | if that's not too much effort for you today. | [15:17] |
truffles | haha | [15:17] |
truffles | let me use "insults" then | [15:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00083792 = 8.6306 BTC [-] | [15:18] |
mircea_popescu | there's the truthfulness defense. something's not an insult just because you don't like hearing it. | [15:19] |
truffles | now ur opinions are truths umk | [15:19] |
mircea_popescu | and for that matter, calling things you don't like to hear opinions doesn't much change the reality of them. | [15:20] |
mircea_popescu | stuff that lays on the bottom of still water, rolling its eyes and not putting any effort is scum, that's what it is, look it up. | [15:20] |
truffles | list the facts with evidence | [15:20] |
mircea_popescu | i have little contribution in all of that. | [15:20] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00289379 = 0.2315 BTC [-] | [15:23] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32307 @ 0.00084059 = 27.1569 BTC [+] {2} | [15:29] |
TomServo | .d | [15:32] |
ozbot | 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1615 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.8087% in 9d 13h 16m 35s | [15:32] |
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gribble | Current Blocks: 280623 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 1616 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2055670895.85 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.87102 | [15:33] |
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midnightmagic | mikaeldice MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ | [15:37] |
midnightmagic | mikaeldice MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ is the dividends table off ? | [15:38] |
gribble | Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mike_c" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. | [15:38] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ is the dividends table off ? | [15:38] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [15:38] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25909 @ 0.00084426 = 21.8739 BTC [+] {3} | [16:26] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;later tell mike_c http://browsershots.org/screenshots/87688d1d7b2d311989c597ffa5845a8c see, that's what I mean. it's misalligned. | [16:30] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [16:30] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00084532 = 8.7491 BTC [+] {2} | [16:58] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+] | [17:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 125 @ 0.001 = 0.125 BTC [+] | [17:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15687 @ 0.00084585 = 13.2688 BTC [+] | [17:13] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+] | [17:19] |
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mike_c | mircea_popescu: the table is aligned as designed. whether it's clear is another question. I went with showing the dividends in the month they were paid, which is generally the month after the profit was earned. | [17:23] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7752 @ 0.001 = 7.752 BTC [+] | [17:37] |
jurov | mike_c: satoshi per share is off | [17:38] |
jurov | also, information to how many shares was the dividend paid is very useful in this case | [17:39] |
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jurov | for example, i have to dig it up every month to distribute divs without rounding errors | [17:40] |
mike_c | i believe satoshi per share is accurate. at least, it is the same as on mpex | [17:40] |
jurov | nope. if mpex pays 19btc to 100bn shares, it shows as 1 satoshi per share | [17:40] |
jurov | but in reality it paid 19 satoshi per every 10 shares | [17:41] |
mike_c | hm. ok, thanks. i'll make it more accurate. | [17:41] |
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mike_c | last s.mpoe dividend was 13 satoshi per share. but it has 1bn shares :) | [17:49] |
mike_c | and to jurov's point, it was actually 13.65 satoshi per share | [17:49] |
mike_c | 136 BTC in one month. probably bigger than yours. | [17:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21904 @ 0.00084591 = 18.5288 BTC [+] {2} | [17:50] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12642 @ 0.00084613 = 10.6968 BTC [+] | [17:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.0052 = 0.2496 BTC [+] | [17:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005199 = 0.1144 BTC [-] | [17:54] |
mike_c | no. the stock price went up a lot last year, so the div. yield is pretty small. | [17:54] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [MS] 2000 @ 0.005 = 10 BTC | [17:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00515 = 0.515 BTC [-] {2} | [17:55] |
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mike_c | as a matter of fact there is :) http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ | [17:55] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0050215 = 0.2009 BTC [-] | [17:56] |
Duffer1 | morning #b-aa | [17:56] |
mike_c | 83.8% | [17:56] |
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mike_c | btcalpha is mine, just launched recently. deals with things i find interesting in btc finance. | [17:58] |
mike_c | thanks | [17:58] |
mike_c | not much i find interesting on havelock. | [17:58] |
jurov | HL croaks by the time mike manages to do it | [17:59] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.06500001 = 0.455 BTC [-] {2} | [18:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+] | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c oh i c. maybe make a note somewhere or who knows | [18:00] |
mike_c | yeah, will do. it's not super clear. | [18:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.06250001 = 0.25 BTC [-] {2} | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | it'll get confusing as all hell because s.mpoe actually pays divs same month *most* months | [18:01] |
mike_c | i didn't want to force it though. start arbitrarily applying divs to certain months. because like, what about when a div is paid wrong? do I "fix" it? it does need to be more clear. | [18:02] |
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mircea_popescu | you do have a point there. | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | there's value in this "theory / practice" approach anyway. for one thing mpex contracts even allow assets to skip a month entirely | [18:04] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+] | [18:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5720 @ 0.001 = 5.72 BTC [+] | [18:17] |
KRS1 | I think its advantages like that those who scoff at the 30 btc seat on the exchange fail to learn. | [18:17] |
KRS1 | uh nvm | [18:18] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 439 @ 0.00483328 = 2.1218 BTC [-] {15} | [18:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+] | [18:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54000102 BTC [+] | [18:21] |
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kakobrekla | .d | [18:37] |
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kakobrekla | nothing on the no side | [18:37] |
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mircea_popescu | i guess it has to go to shit first | [18:41] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 962 @ 0.001 = 0.962 BTC [+] | [18:43] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00008607 = 0.3443 BTC [-] {3} | [18:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [-] {2} | [18:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13582 @ 0.00084579 = 11.4875 BTC [-] | [18:50] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00084571 = 27.105 BTC [-] {2} | [18:59] |
mike_c | nice, great bet. | [19:02] |
mike_c | http://bitbet.us/bet/718/satoshi-nakamoto-will-be-times-person-of-the/ | [19:03] |
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ozbot | BitBet - Satoshi Nakamoto will be Time's Person of the Year 2014 | [19:03] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00008603 = 0.129 BTC [-] | [19:04] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.07999998 = 1.52 BTC [+] {4} | [19:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12000 @ 0.00047606 = 5.7127 BTC [-] {5} | [19:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 13200 @ 0.0004521 = 5.9677 BTC [-] {16} | [19:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1800 @ 0.00044767 = 0.8058 BTC [-] {7} | [19:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00043646 = 0.1309 BTC [-] {6} | [19:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.10989993 = 0.3297 BTC [+] {3} | [19:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00289999 = 0.1972 BTC [+] | [19:14] |
mike_c | are you officially listing on hl? | [19:16] |
mike_c | when? | [19:16] |
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rattaTATpow | kakobreklahttp://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty | [19:17] |
mike_c | good luck. i still don't think you should be raising btc, but you should be one of the better investments on hl :) | [19:18] |
rattaTATpow | http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty | [19:18] |
ozbot | Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom | [19:18] |
mike_c | because i don't think your roi will be better than just holding btc | [19:18] |
rattaTATpow | ozbot and gribble seem to bemuch different than Bitcoinwisdom. | [19:19] |
rattaTATpow | mike thatsnot a reason | [19:20] |
mike_c | yes, stocks that aren't tied to a fiat income stream. | [19:20] |
rattaTATpow | all investors should knowvy now thatstocks are merely denominatedinbtc | [19:20] |
rattaTATpow | no such thing | [19:21] |
rattaTATpow | all assets are affectedby fiat | [19:21] |
rattaTATpow | its also possible forbtc to decline in price | [19:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4056 @ 0.00084675 = 3.4344 BTC [+] | [19:23] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.02420869 = 0.5568 BTC [-] {4} | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | how did that clemens line go, "the less one is inclined to make definitive universal statements, the less likely they are to look like some random noob that ended up in the wrong channel" | [19:26] |
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jurov | everything sucks | [19:28] |
jurov | *the* most defnitive universal statement | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | some shit blows. | [19:29] |
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jurov | that's not universal | [19:29] |
pankkake | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-15/sheer-idiocy-markets-one-chart-back lol, yet another one, after twtr | [19:29] |
ozbot | The Sheer Idiocy Of The Markets In One Chart... Is Back | Zero Hedge | [19:30] |
mike_c | efficient market pricing at its finest | [19:30] |
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mircea_popescu | "everything sucks in the most efficient way possible" | [19:32] |
KRS1 | .bait | [19:32] |
ozbot | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69y6rGMuL1rwei2eo1_500.jpg | [19:32] |
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KRS1 | Mmm | [19:32] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 'Lagrangian mechanics' of sucking? | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform :D | [19:32] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, i dun see the big deal. if this wasn;'t a problem we wouldn't need trademarks | [19:33] |
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mircea_popescu | and also we could keep gasoline in cups right next to our coffee cups and type away in the dark | [19:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07000001 = 0.14 BTC [-] | [19:34] |
jurov | perchance, isn't there a company with ticker like BTC or MPEX ? | [19:34] |
jurov | or DOGE? :DDDD | [19:34] |
punkman | there' | [19:35] |
punkman | there's a BTC stock | [19:35] |
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jurov | no doge... but unearthed this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/congress-finally-discovered-doge-going-171000253.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CbvxtZSC2MADnuTmYlQ | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | lol this is what internet experts with mucho experience and #1 delo negocios come up with | [19:37] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3} | [19:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.049999 = 0.25 BTC [-] | [19:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] | [19:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c i don't like that your comments eat newlines | [19:53] |
nubbins` | .d | [19:53] |
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mike_c | yeah, it looks dumb. | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | bitbet has the same problem, except there it's kind of deliberate to encourage ppl to be brief | [19:54] |
mike_c | it will improved soon. easy fix. | [19:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0048091 = 0.1058 BTC [-] {3} | [19:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.049999 = 0.75 BTC [+] | [19:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 135 @ 0.04999999 = 6.75 BTC [+] | [20:00] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 87 @ 0.02500574 = 2.1755 BTC [-] {2} | [20:02] |
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nubbins` | FonziScheme: eyyyyyyy | [20:03] |
nubbins` | lel | [20:03] |
Duffer1 | >.< | [20:05] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04999999 = 2 BTC [+] | [20:17] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10595 @ 0.00084675 = 8.9713 BTC [+] | [20:34] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+] | [20:42] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3055 @ 0.00084688 = 2.5872 BTC [+] | [21:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00084628 = 18.2796 BTC [-] {2} | [21:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22695 @ 0.00084753 = 19.2347 BTC [+] {2} | [21:19] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8755 @ 0.00084837 = 7.4275 BTC [+] | [21:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00284957 = 0.9973 BTC [-] {4} | [21:33] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00084474 = 14.3606 BTC [-] {2} | [21:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08200198 = 0.492 BTC [+] {2} | [21:36] |
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Duffer1 | oo that's gonna get annoying | [21:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08200199 = 0.41 BTC [+] | [21:38] |
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mike_c | too late, spammer left. | [21:45] |
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pankkake | seriously | [21:47] |
Duffer1 | :( | [21:47] |
Apocalyptic | yep, definitely better with the # | [21:47] |
Apocalyptic | next time moar * | [21:47] |
mike_c | i prefer >>>>> spammy! <<<<<<<<< | [21:47] |
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pankkake | (does this chan strip colors?) | [21:48] |
Duffer1 | new album from djmeat spin, visit us at meatspin.com | [21:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.04999999 = 1.75 BTC [+] | [21:53] |
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mircea_popescu | lmao | [22:05] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake ye | [22:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 133 @ 0.04999999 = 6.65 BTC [+] {2} | [22:06] |
pankkake | :( http://i.imgur.com/ZVGqWGP.png | [22:06] |
mircea_popescu | http://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ip/80.57.0.0/16/ << funny thing | [22:06] |
ozbot | Bitcoin nodes from 80.57.0.0/16 network prefix - getaddr.bitnodes.io | [22:06] |
pankkake | what is there to see? | [22:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 156 @ 0.00279998 = 0.4368 BTC [-] {3} | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | guy's been running a node off the same ip he's spamming here ? | [22:10] |
pankkake | oh | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | including where you may wish to complain, some nl host. | [22:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00084796 = 3.9006 BTC [+] | [22:15] |
mike_c | pankkake why is my name pink? | [22:15] |
pankkake | maybe my gaydar is broken | [22:16] |
mike_c | seriously. i want green. | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | what color am i ? | [22:19] |
pankkake | red. the script doesn't have many colors, and worse, sometimes nicks of the same lenght get the same color… | [22:19] |
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nubbins` | hm | [22:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [-] | [22:25] |
jurov | mike_c: i have you pink, too. you need to change it, sry | [22:27] |
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mike_c | maybe the gaydar is working. how revealing. | [22:28] |
jurov | and mircea_popescu is light blue | [22:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 549 @ 0.00099988 = 0.5489 BTC [+] {2} | [22:29] |
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mircea_popescu | well everyone's baby blue on my thing, except me. i'm gray. | [22:35] |
nubbins` | you're all orange here, and i'm dark red | [22:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00008611 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {4} | [22:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54077111 BTC [+] | [22:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08200198 = 0.984 BTC [-] {3} | [22:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 167 @ 0.0009999 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2} | [22:39] |
TomServo | 256 color options in weechat baby, I'm really living over here. | [22:40] |
ystarnaud | AM1 still holding above 0.5 | [22:40] |
ystarnaud | not too bad | [22:40] |
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pankkake | yeah, that's one of the reasons I need to switch to that weechat | [22:41] |
pankkake | but that's 10 years of habits to break | [22:42] |
TomServo | Yeah, that would be tough. Been a looong time since I used irssi/bitchx so it wasn't too bad for me. | [22:43] |
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nubbins` | ystarnaud: people still hold AM1? | [22:43] |
ystarnaud | yeah | [22:44] |
ystarnaud | maybe not as many people | [22:44] |
ystarnaud | but alot still do | [22:44] |
nubbins` | interesting | [22:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2} | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | it's probably the most diversely-held stock in the history of btc | [22:51] |
nubbins` | no doubt | [22:51] |
mircea_popescu | .d | [22:55] |
ozbot | 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1560 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.1320% in 9d 1h 53m 16s | [22:55] |
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asciilifeform | from the dept. of random turds: | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | http://www.amazon.com/General-Dynamics-Systems-13247489-02-Module/dp/B00GH2AB7M | [23:02] |
ozbot | General Dynamics C4 Systems 13247489-02 Module T25371: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | this is, apparently, a military disk drive. | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | http://www.armyproperty.com/product/4LEK3/13247489-03/ | [23:02] |
ozbot | Product / Part Number: 13247489-03 - DISK DRIVE UNIT by GENERAL DYNAMICS C4 SYSTEMS INC. - 4LEK3 - A | [23:02] |
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asciilifeform | i always thought those got burned in the thermite pit on retirement, but go figure. | [23:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 525 @ 0.0009997 = 0.5248 BTC [-] | [23:04] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.049991 = 0.6999 BTC [-] | [23:14] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14595 @ 0.00084796 = 12.376 BTC [+] | [23:19] |
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ArsKisS | wut is dis | [23:24] |
ArsKisS | seedcoin didn't crash more than 10% | [23:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 208 @ 0.00089396 = 0.1859 BTC [-] {10} | [23:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.NSA] 3000 @ 0.00017 = 0.51 BTC [+] | [23:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00526 = 0.1841 BTC [+] {2} | [23:47] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00084729 = 1.6946 BTC [-] | [23:53] |
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