Forum logs for 15 Feb 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform | pankkake: wait - wtf ? | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | surely not | [00:03] |
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pankkake | https://openex.pw/index.php?page=home shows 0.3 | [00:03] |
ozbot | OpenEx | [00:03] |
pankkake | volume of course not price | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | aha | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | 'Danger! 1,000,000 Ohms.' | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | something like that | [00:04] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5296 @ 0.0008711 = 4.6133 BTC [-] | [00:06] |
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Vexual | resistance is futile | [00:10] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0008711 = 8.7981 BTC [-] | [00:15] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00021623 = 0.5406 BTC [-] {8} | [00:20] |
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benkay | induction is irresistable | [00:28] |
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benkay | punkman1: nowhere on that page is there mention of bitcoin. you should fix that. | [00:28] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06399918 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2} | [00:52] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06418175 = 0.706 BTC [+] {5} | [00:53] |
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kakobrekla | bash flushed. | [01:09] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0008725 = 7.329 BTC [+] | [01:15] |
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benkay | http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=57 | [01:17] |
ozbot | #bitcoin-assets bash | [01:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00022491 = 0.1743 BTC [+] | [01:20] |
davout | kakobrekla: did you document your findings about bitstamps matching engine somewhere? | [01:21] |
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davout | or should i dig the logs? | [01:21] |
kakobrekla | hm, i bitchumented it here and prolly on forums couple of times | [01:22] |
kakobrekla | but then they added to their faq "we are retarded" and i stopped. | [01:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6465 @ 0.00087241 = 5.6401 BTC [-] | [01:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18085 @ 0.00087269 = 15.7826 BTC [+] {2} | [01:27] |
kakobrekla | btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so | [01:29] |
davout | yeah, you said it here a week ago or sthg iirc | [01:29] |
davout | the question is who buys it | [01:30] |
punkman1 | nobody sane | [01:30] |
davout | punkman1: the value of an exchange boils down to the value of their banking relationship + their existing customer base | [01:31] |
davout | one of the two is unknown | [01:31] |
kakobrekla | anyway re bitstamp, there were couple of problems over the course of time | [01:31] |
kakobrekla | the most irritating is the min trade fee | [01:32] |
davout | oh yeah i heard about this one | [01:32] |
kakobrekla | i had a case where someone hit my order with 1 satoshi | [01:32] |
davout | ouch | [01:33] |
kakobrekla | (they can also make this shit up) | [01:33] |
davout | like hitting your order with a satoshi just to charge you the minn fee? | [01:33] |
kakobrekla | yea | [01:34] |
kakobrekla | and ofc fee in that case is millions % | [01:34] |
davout | yo | [01:34] |
Apocalyptic | [01:35] | |
davout | "your cable was unplugged and it took 3 secs to fix? we'll charge you the full hour no problem" | [01:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00087415 = 22.3782 BTC [+] {3} | [01:36] |
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davout | kakobrekla: i'm asking because imma open up the market orders feature, and i want to test the shit out of it before i do, so i was wondering if there were some bugs with them that could give me additional things to pay attention to | [01:42] |
davout | (on bstamp) | [01:42] |
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Apocalyptic | davout, have you read http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r4d6t/bitstamps_streaming_api_and_exploitation/ ? | [01:44] |
Apocalyptic | the issue, and the fact someone is exploiting it beyond reasonable doubt has been verified | [01:46] |
davout | Apocalyptic: has it been fixed ? | [01:46] |
Apocalyptic | nope | [01:46] |
Apocalyptic | not to my knowledge | [01:46] |
ThickAsThieves | why isnt mpex quoting options? | [01:47] |
ThickAsThieves | data source seems to be working fine, no? http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json | [01:48] |
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davout | ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2014#503754 | [01:49] |
ThickAsThieves | failed to get a quote? | [01:49] |
davout | yea, that's kind of mysterious | [01:49] |
ThickAsThieves | as in cant access the bitcoincharts data that is accessible? | [01:49] |
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davout | maybe it's some sort of safe switch that interrupts quoting under certain market conditions | [01:50] |
davout | maybe the quoting leprechauns are on strike | [01:51] |
ThickAsThieves | thatd be fine i guess | [01:52] |
ThickAsThieves | if that was stated reasoning | [01:52] |
davout | or mebbe the leprechaun is busy http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/165/e/e/fvsm01_leprechauns1_witches0_by_faile35-d3ixz8r.jpg | [01:52] |
Apocalyptic | .d | [01:52] |
ozbot | 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 384 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8109% in 2d 4h 53m 52s | [01:52] |
ThickAsThieves | "dont expect to buy options when you want them most" or such | [01:52] |
ThickAsThieves | hypothetically speaking of course | [01:53] |
davout | if it "failed" to get a quote it sort of implies it's an unexpected situation | [01:53] |
ThickAsThieves | which'd be weird too, considering that's just an algo flaw, just make em cost more | [01:53] |
ThickAsThieves | i vote it's a Bugpowder freezeout | [01:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07500001 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2} | [01:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21942 @ 0.00087465 = 19.1916 BTC [+] | [01:57] |
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ThickAsThieves | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXuPQ9ML9E | [02:00] |
ozbot | Get Konnected with The Kronies Action Figures - YouTube | [02:00] |
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davout | wow | [02:01] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17498 @ 0.00087494 = 15.3097 BTC [+] | [02:10] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087465 = 5.073 BTC [-] | [02:13] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00038239 = 0.6118 BTC [-] {5} | [02:23] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+] | [02:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00087494 = 2.8663 BTC [+] | [02:25] |
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mod6 | lol TAT, that was awesome | [02:31] |
mod6 | "oh no! I'm underwater, I need a bail out!" lmao | [02:33] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.0008749 = 7.8627 BTC [-] {2} | [02:34] |
pankkake | http://thekronies.com/ (but you can't buy them… yet) | [02:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2} | [02:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-] | [02:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07399999 = 0.222 BTC [+] | [02:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210003 = 0.3663 BTC [-] | [02:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] | [02:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] | [02:39] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210003 BTC [-] | [02:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] | [02:41] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00087526 = 20.2185 BTC [+] {2} | [02:44] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00297571 = 0.2083 BTC [+] | [02:49] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+] | [02:51] |
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mod6 | http://youtu.be/ob9Ak1t09Ao | [03:14] |
ozbot | Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube | [03:14] |
mod6 | lmao | [03:14] |
pankkake | from the looks of it, the guy ate all the bitcoins | [03:17] |
pankkake | does it work like a piñata? | [03:18] |
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asciilifeform | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jAVGHwajDek/Rug-h4p-SAI/AAAAAAAAABY/vFJNNHVb9I4/s1600-h/bus.jpeg | [03:19] |
ozbot | bus.jpeg (image) | [03:19] |
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mod6 | haha, magicaltux came on the lamers bus | [03:21] |
kakobrekla | i think he runs that company too | [03:21] |
kakobrekla | free pass! | [03:21] |
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benkay | afternoon | [03:27] |
kakobrekla | heya | [03:28] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2} | [03:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00087465 = 5.4228 BTC [-] | [03:58] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087537 = 13.4807 BTC [+] {2} | [04:17] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] | [04:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] | [04:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087465 = 4.2421 BTC [-] | [04:30] |
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moiety | meh | [05:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00297927 = 0.432 BTC [+] {4} | [05:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06099999 = 0.366 BTC [-] | [05:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00515 = 0.1288 BTC [-] | [05:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51800001 BTC [-] | [05:15] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.bloomberg.com/video/can-bitcoin-come-back-from-multiple-hacks-~XPcnslQRTu4drafGngWdw.html | [05:18] |
ozbot | Can Bitcoin Come Back from Multiple Hacks?: Video - Bloomberg | [05:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00087559 = 9.1061 BTC [+] | [05:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2207 @ 0.00087559 = 1.9324 BTC [+] | [05:23] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4993 @ 0.00087563 = 4.372 BTC [+] | [05:24] |
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MisterE | ThickAsThieves: you read about the dude who flew to Tokyo to confront Gox CEO? | [05:26] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00022499 = 0.225 BTC [+] | [05:27] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087465 = 9.3588 BTC [-] | [05:33] |
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pankkake | http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?type=&nick=&thing=GOXBTC&otherthing=&eitherthing=¬es= | [05:39] |
ozbot | #bitcoin-otc order book | [05:39] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10224 @ 0.00087563 = 8.9524 BTC [+] | [05:44] |
chetty | haha goxbtc, is that a new alt coin? | [05:45] |
joecool | it's a fractional reserve currency based on bitcoin | [05:46] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00087465 = 9.4462 BTC [-] | [05:56] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087463 = 5.5976 BTC [-] {2} | [06:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2} | [06:15] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13051 @ 0.00021537 = 2.8108 BTC [-] {10} | [06:28] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00522854 = 0.4915 BTC [+] {10} | [06:53] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08179999 = 0.818 BTC [-] {4} | [07:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15655 @ 0.00087423 = 13.6861 BTC [-] {3} | [07:10] |
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mircea_popescu | lmao @bash | [07:23] |
KRS-One | .bait | [07:23] |
KRS-One | .bait | [07:23] |
ozbot | http://24.media.tumblr.com/ee677c6897b25e3cced894c5b5ecd7fd/tumblr_mej4zorNTX1qg7sdjo1_r1_1280.jpg | [07:23] |
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mircea_popescu | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgfZiDJIMAA-_yT.png | [07:25] |
Duffer1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Md1Ms6EEbQ | [07:28] |
ozbot | Darkplace - One Track Lover - YouTube | [07:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06745001 = 0.3373 BTC [-] | [07:28] |
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moiety | merry 15th all! can get on with the rest of the year now. | [07:36] |
moiety | wtf lol how to walk on ice? i've seen it all.. no, wait, re-enact that poster with gold crackhead...then i will have seen everything | [07:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0008738 = 6.903 BTC [-] {2} | [07:37] |
Duffer1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu51vkm0SuQ | [07:38] |
ozbot | Fenslerfilm GI Joe PSA 05 - ice - YouTube | [07:38] |
moiety | http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/14/gallery-you-wont-believe-what-the-authorities-found-in-this-mexican-drug-lords-villa-4304530/ | [07:38] |
ozbot | Mexican drug lord's house: You won't believe what the authorities found in this Mexican drug Lord's | [07:38] |
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cazalla | mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi | [07:52] |
cazalla | that's for you Duffer1 | [07:53] |
Duffer1 | hehe | [07:53] |
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asciilifeform | moiety: probably a counterfeiter's shop, as well as whatever else they did. | [07:55] |
mircea_popescu | anything good ? | [07:55] |
Duffer1 | http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/22-more-gold-machine-guns-and-pistols-most-were-never-fired-just-held-for-collection-value.jpg lol | [07:55] |
moiety | i actually think gold guns end up looking cheap | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | what's with people and gold guns | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | gold makes shitty gun | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | s | [07:56] |
asciilifeform | plated. | [07:56] |
asciilifeform | no one in his right mind would make an actual gold ak | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | or would they | [07:57] |
moiety | i would like a rainbow sig | [07:57] |
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moiety | i bet they would if they could | [07:57] |
moiety | rainbow sig: http://www.kygunco.com/prodimages/30277-DEFAULT-L.jpg very pretty | [07:57] |
asciilifeform | i say plated. the rivets are in the right places, and if it were solid gold, it'd be welded. | [07:57] |
asciilifeform | unless it is a perversely slavish imitation. | [07:57] |
BingoBoingo | I dunno if a gold barrel could do anything other than explode. | [07:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087371 = 12.5814 BTC [-] {2} | [07:58] |
moiety | no one swept me off my feet yesterday, yous will have to put up with me a bit longer,sorry | [07:58] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: depends whether one insisted on firing it... | [07:58] |
moiety | would gold not just melt or buckle on firing? | [07:59] |
asciilifeform | certainly. | [07:59] |
asciilifeform | the most interesting thing in the picture is, well... not actually in the picture. | [08:01] |
asciilifeform | that is: 'why now' | [08:01] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5866 @ 0.00087454 = 5.1301 BTC [+] | [08:05] |
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B007 | I made a bash script to txt me hourly google trends; should be interesting | [08:12] |
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asciilifeform | anyone else find it curious that these 'bust' photos never seem to feature gold bars? | [08:15] |
asciilifeform | or even simulacra thereof | [08:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55498489 = 3.3299 BTC [+] {5} | [08:16] |
moiety | i hadn't thought of that but it's a really good point, i would rather bars than all those notes | [08:16] |
asciilifeform | likewise, quite a few of these shots look rather familiar. | [08:17] |
asciilifeform | hence, probably a stage set. | [08:17] |
asciilifeform | unless all the mexican barons share the same lion. | [08:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00087454 = 7.9583 BTC [+] | [08:19] |
moiety | lololol | [08:19] |
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moiety | nice house though | [08:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 36 @ 0.08977719 = 3.232 BTC [+] {7} | [08:21] |
moiety | i thought that was wrong | [08:22] |
moiety | they say black leopards... they are jaguars | [08:22] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I imagine the gold bars are better concealed than the plated firearms. | [08:23] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.10999999 = 0.88 BTC [+] | [08:23] |
moiety | bars are aninvestment, guns are a collection though | [08:26] |
asciilifeform | what, then, are the benjamins? | [08:26] |
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moiety | ijust mean you dont get bars to look at and put in cabinets | [08:28] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: The Benjamins are probably toilet paper | [08:34] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00087454 = 3.5419 BTC [+] | [08:35] |
Vexual | Hey BingoBoingo, did your openex withdrewing work? | [08:36] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i always imagined they're non-functioning | [08:40] |
mircea_popescu | not even holes drilled in the barrel | [08:40] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: It did indeed | [08:40] |
Vexual | Thre cool, thanks | [08:41] |
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mircea_popescu | anyone here rebelmouse.com ? | [08:44] |
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BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Any reason to try it. Homepage only seems to have buzzwords | [08:46] |
mircea_popescu | no but it linked to trilema lots | [08:46] |
mircea_popescu | so i figured 50-50 it's sopmeone here. | [08:47] |
Vexual | only 360 readers? | [08:47] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, since im in there some gems : | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com 122 138 | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | [...] | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | - http://www.loper-os.org 73 73 | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | - http://qz.com/174757/bitcoin-company-offers-stock-denominated-in... 68 68 | [08:48] |
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mircea_popescu | seems stan beats atlantic media. | [08:49] |
BingoBoingo | lol | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | considering how much that adventure cost... | [08:49] |
BingoBoingo | I've been finding odd content aggregators linking me from the start. | [08:49] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah there's a slew of those | [08:50] |
mircea_popescu | semalt.com seosatnight.com etcetc | [08:50] |
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B007 | mircea_popescu: what would you pay 1000 btc for? | [08:53] |
mircea_popescu | the new york times | [08:55] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: I hope you mean the whole operation. | [08:56] |
mircea_popescu | well yes. | [08:56] |
Vexual | Imagine the page 3 girls | [08:58] |
B007 | I wonder if bitcoin is going to go up | [08:58] |
B007 | maybe I should buy | [08:58] |
asciilifeform | afaik mouse is a lameraggregator. | [08:59] |
asciilifeform | slurps crap from reddit et al. | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | o via reddit huhg | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/New_York_Times_Frontpage_1914-07-29.png | [09:00] |
Vexual | manifesto from emporer | [09:02] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: And NYT doesn't have page 3 girls, yet... | [09:03] |
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Vexual | no i might have been confusing it with the sun | [09:04] |
Vexual | what stock prices would you print for exchanges that don't close? | [09:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00087391 = 12.6717 BTC [-] {3} | [09:07] |
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mircea_popescu | 24hrw | [09:19] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ellen-page-comes-as-gay-680563 | [09:24] |
ozbot | Ellen Page Comes Out As Gay: 'I Am Tired of Lying by Omission' (Exclusive) - The Hollywood Reporter | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | i guess she;s kind-of hot now | [09:24] |
moiety | i was just reading that too | [09:25] |
mircea_popescu | provided she doesn't start dating elen degeneratis or some shit | [09:25] |
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moiety | also got this http://i.imgur.com/sy2sQci.png people are dicks | [09:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00194567 = 0.8756 BTC [-] | [09:26] |
mircea_popescu | ew | [09:28] |
Vexual | juno the one about the hot lesbian? | [09:29] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00087481 = 16.7089 BTC [+] {2} | [09:31] |
moiety | what's .co.za again? south africa? | [09:35] |
mircea_popescu | zaire ? | [09:35] |
Vexual | south africa | [09:35] |
moiety | so SA people send me a funeral notice (in scotland) for american funeral home. very good asshats | [09:35] |
Vexual | zef as | [09:36] |
mircea_popescu | wow it is sa | [09:36] |
moiety | true arseholes are a special breed of people aren't they | [09:37] |
Vexual | interesting place | [09:37] |
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Vexual | its a bit like australia if the dutch knocked it up first | [09:38] |
moiety | i wouldn't like to go | [09:38] |
moiety | i knew a girl here thatleft age 8 to live there, came back in her 20s | [09:38] |
moiety | she hated it | [09:38] |
mircea_popescu | i knew a girl that loved it, then got raped for being white, aged about 15, | [09:39] |
mircea_popescu | then couldn't get anyone prosecuted for it out of the entire gang, so she left once she was 18 | [09:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.NSA] 700 @ 0.000155 = 0.1085 BTC [+] | [09:39] |
B007 | wow | [09:40] |
MisterE | moiety: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fake-funeral-notice-scam-low-fraudsters-ftc/story?id=22498185&google_editors_picks=true | [09:41] |
MisterE | looks like you got phished | [09:42] |
moiety | wow raped because she was white? | [09:42] |
mircea_popescu | kinda how it works in south africa. | [09:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00087543 = 4.3772 BTC [+] | [09:43] |
MisterE | security for whites is crazy there | [09:43] |
MisterE | armed guards with AKs and shit | [09:43] |
MisterE | place is a mess yo | [09:43] |
moiety | wow MisterE good to see. it did try to get me to d/l something but i cancelled it. will i be ok? | [09:43] |
Vexual | isn't there 10+ spoken languages right in cape town? | [09:43] |
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mircea_popescu | moiety possibly. | [09:44] |
MisterE | hope so moiety but your computer can download stuff without you knowing, especially if there any known vunerabilities in your browser | [09:44] |
moiety | better run a malwarebytes scan then? | [09:44] |
Vexual | are you in the market for a funeral? | [09:44] |
MisterE | personally, if it's a win box I'd take it offline and boot up with a scanner boot disk | [09:44] |
moiety | no i got all mine booked up last month Vexual | [09:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00212562 = 0.9565 BTC [+] | [09:45] |
moiety | kk MisterE just scared me brb | [09:45] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.NSA] 4300 @ 0.000155 = 0.6665 BTC [+] | [09:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00195346 = 0.8791 BTC [-] | [09:47] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1469 @ 0.00060598 = 0.8902 BTC [+] | [09:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00087565 = 13.2223 BTC [+] | [09:50] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5061 @ 0.00087565 = 4.4317 BTC [+] | [09:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00195346 = 0.8791 BTC [-] | [09:58] |
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Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2UdJhqVsc8 | [10:06] |
ozbot | Jack Parow - Afrikaans is Dood - YouTube | [10:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0008758 = 5.9554 BTC [+] {2} | [10:10] |
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moiety | o/ | [10:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00087464 = 16.3558 BTC [-] {3} | [10:20] |
Vexual | disease free? | [10:21] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2014/on-july-29-1914/ | [10:22] |
ozbot | On July 29, 1914 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [10:22] |
moiety | i hope so | [10:25] |
moiety | 40 things! | [10:25] |
moiety | yay i can read again | [10:25] |
Vexual | i thought how in all probability noone alive on earth today bought that newspaper | [10:26] |
Vexual | new yorkers dont live to 120 do they? all that smog | [10:27] |
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BingoBoingo | moiety: Do you want a loan you can apply to the purchase of trilema credits since you are in the WOT nao? | [10:28] |
moiety | that's very kind and i would normally, but I'm not in a position to give myself deadlines at the moment BingoBoingo | [10:30] |
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benkay | i dunno moiety, you might be able to talk your way into a zero interest loan | [10:31] |
benkay | spring bubble hasn't kicked in terribly hard yet | [10:31] |
moiety | i just looked it up, i don;t actually need a loan, i just need to know how to buy now | [10:32] |
moiety | it was last april it was low wasn't it? i remember | [10:33] |
moiety | april/may time i think | [10:33] |
mircea_popescu | benkay you mean asset boobl ? | [10:33] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: Last february though there wasn't a prolongued dip like this. | [10:33] |
moiety | but then china hadn't banned it last year | [10:34] |
Vexual | get out in may and stay away | [10:34] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: At this time last year the only serious Chinese involvement was ASICMiner. | [10:34] |
BingoBoingo | ASICMIner was building to that really sharp bubble. | [10:36] |
moiety | what's the current with bfl thesedays? | [10:36] |
moiety | they had grovellers out in force in london in november | [10:37] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: BFL still isn't shipping Monarchs | [10:37] |
mircea_popescu | well they're only what, 5 months late ? | [10:37] |
moiety | lol still? hhaha the guy at the london expo simply said: sorry | [10:37] |
Duffer1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOLtTGvsbM&feature=kp | [10:38] |
ozbot | Toto - Rosanna - YouTube | [10:38] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: First rule of Bitcoin is anything happening in London is at best Lols. | [10:38] |
Vexual | hehe | [10:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/embed/DwxCBIizQYU | [10:39] |
ozbot | Hohenfriedberger march + Prussian army - YouTube | [10:39] |
BingoBoingo | So... I made about a 200% gain selling the bulk of my Altcoin today. | [10:40] |
Vexual | i made 10% yesterday, who are we taking it from? | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo would you like to be my openex broker ? :D | [10:41] |
Vexual | mike_c? | [10:41] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Maybe? | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do. | [10:41] |
Vexual | fuck a man with a plan is the last thing i need | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo you get a month. | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | have fun. | [10:41] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: How much did you buy the ATC at? | [10:42] |
Vexual | 125 | [10:42] |
Vexual | my guess | [10:42] |
mircea_popescu | Auf, Ansbach-Dragoner! Auf, Ansbach-Bayreuth! | [10:42] |
mircea_popescu | what diff does it make ? | [10:42] |
KRS-One | .bait | [10:42] |
ozbot | http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3g532Ex6K1qaooc8o1_500.jpg | [10:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087593 = 3.6789 BTC [+] {2} | [10:43] |
KRS-One | damn its dark in there. | [10:43] |
Vexual | lol krs-1 thats custom | [10:43] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: I'm just thinking if you have a target sort of gain I should shoot for. | [10:43] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [10:43] |
Vexual | double the atc and bring back some btc | [10:43] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [10:43] |
BingoBoingo | I'll see what I can do. | [10:44] |
mircea_popescu | don't get too wrapped up in it, it's alt after all. | [10:45] |
BingoBoingo | Of course. I mean it wouldn't be worth it to copy the Doge profiteers and whore myself out in the name of Moon. | [10:46] |
mircea_popescu | may its name be always cheez. | [10:46] |
BingoBoingo | The z is important. No actual milk or rennet was used in the making of the cheez | [10:47] |
Vexual | "we got the cheez!" | [10:49] |
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Vexual | scott cann:into the blue | [10:51] |
BingoBoingo | This ATC trading thing would be so much easier if herbi was still in the game. | [10:51] |
moiety | otc is not the place to paypal is it | [10:51] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: It can be if both parties have rep appropriate to the amount being traded. | [10:52] |
BingoBoingo | Paypal/Ebay have been on an anit-BTC warpath recently though. | [10:52] |
moiety | i spend all my time telling others not to bother lol | [10:52] |
moiety | bitcoin isn't a very easy world is it | [10:53] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: Have you read Mircea's variety speak article yet? | [10:53] |
moiety | yes | [10:53] |
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BingoBoingo | Finding things that don't work is easy. Things that work though are unknowable until after the fact. | [10:54] |
BingoBoingo | My favorite part of ATC trading is it is like all of the trading I have ever done. | [10:56] |
Vexual | ditto | [10:57] |
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moiety | i'm just entirely fed up of the hassle | [10:58] |
moiety | I've never managed to buy it yet because of one problem or another | [10:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087319 = 5.3265 BTC [-] {2} | [10:59] |
Vexual | perhaps the nigerians are a sign | [10:59] |
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BingoBoingo | moiety: Never bought what? | [11:00] |
moiety | btc | [11:00] |
moiety | someone else has always done it for me | [11:00] |
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Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU | [11:03] |
ozbot | Take The Money And Run - The Steve Miller Band (Lyrics + HQ) - YouTube | [11:03] |
moiety | plus remember bingo, i was being paid it before, i had no need to buy | [11:05] |
Vexual | nice | [11:05] |
moiety | i only ever bought hosting with that, tipped the rest to other people | [11:06] |
moiety | i have THE best email address BingoBoingo :D palindrome email address almost | [11:06] |
Vexual | nigerians love palendromes | [11:07] |
moiety | nigerians scare the hell out of me | [11:07] |
moiety | all the compounds are armed guarded | [11:08] |
Vexual | they see a palendromic email and theyre all like, this old coot is loaded! | [11:09] |
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Vexual | i should get lauxev.com for lolz | [11:10] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: Back then you could have gotten BTC at $80 per | [11:10] |
moiety | ik ik ik gah | [11:10] |
moiety | will it ever dip that low again do you think? | [11:11] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: Maybe on Gox? | [11:12] |
moiety | lololol | [11:12] |
moiety | gox will die this year surely? | [11:12] |
Vexual | smells like a rouge goo dev | [11:12] |
Vexual | paretheses ommitted | [11:12] |
BingoBoingo | 10 K BTC sometime this year is more likely than $80 for BTC on any platform that can actually deliver BTC. | [11:13] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: Gox died last summer. | [11:13] |
moiety | it's just like the queen, just clining on to the throne | [11:14] |
moiety | clinging | [11:14] |
BingoBoingo | No, not like the Queen at all. More like Ariel Sharon, practically dead, brain dead, just kept fresh on a ventilator. | [11:15] |
Vexual | with bigger arms | [11:16] |
moiety | fair point, the queen doesn't breath oxygen | [11:16] |
moiety | will you still be awake in half hour or so? | [11:16] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: Well I mean the queen spent the last 8 years at least able to walk, and not simply on display in the produce department | [11:17] |
moiety | i wouldn't be so sure. i'm convinced they have her on a trolley | [11:18] |
moiety | Do you know why they are waiting for William? | [11:18] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: No Idea. | [11:19] |
moiety | Charles doesn't want to do it. -- according to Lord Mowbray | [11:19] |
moiety | he doesn't have the balls apparently | [11:19] |
moiety | they all think (including himself) he is a little soft for it, better for william to go straight in | [11:19] |
moiety | random snippet for the day | [11:19] |
Vexual | he does, the people don't | [11:20] |
moiety | he doesnt though. | [11:20] |
moiety | he cant make decisions | [11:20] |
Vexual | he might have some regrets and marketing people, but he does | [11:21] |
moiety | i think you misunderstood what i was saying | [11:21] |
Vexual | its highly likely | [11:22] |
moiety | if charles was to go and be king, he would have to give up all his Duke of Edinburgh responsibilities etc. He has balls, what I'm meaning is he couldn't do what *he* wanted specifically | [11:23] |
moiety | he wanted more leaway to do all the charity and good things he does | [11:24] |
moiety | i think harry wouldve been better | [11:24] |
moiety | do they even have a role now? | [11:24] |
moiety | apart from waving | [11:25] |
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Vexual | he has a range of preserves | [11:26] |
Vexual | willys got an attack copter | [11:26] |
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moiety | he looks about 70 already | [11:26] |
Vexual | im thinking you might be right | [11:26] |
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Vexual | what a very scottish way of convincing me | [11:27] |
moiety | lol what...badly?! | [11:27] |
Vexual | no very well sir | [11:29] |
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moiety | where are you from Vexual? | [11:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00087594 = 12.2194 BTC [+] {2} | [11:32] |
Vexual | australie | [11:32] |
moiety | oh election time for you then | [11:34] |
Vexual | im not enrolled | [11:34] |
moiety | i got enrolled to vote for independence | [11:35] |
Vexual | cool | [11:36] |
Vexual | i eamil secretarys when i need something done; infinitely fore effective | [11:38] |
benkay | deploy capital | [11:39] |
Vexual | its amazing how people will take unsolicited advice worded correctly | [11:39] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [11:39] |
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Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go | [11:48] |
ozbot | Johnny Cash Hurt - YouTube | [11:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00087599 = 2.409 BTC [+] | [11:49] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lOb799cTxM | [11:53] |
ozbot | Black Box Ride on Time [ 1989 ] HD version - YouTube | [11:53] |
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Vexual | how the fuck am i goona play bb with 100k? | [11:56] |
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BingoBoingo | Vexual: ? | [11:57] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: What's Batman's greatest weapon? | [11:58] |
Vexual | i dunno | [11:58] |
Vexual | the call to arms from the sky? | [11:59] |
Vexual | oh | [11:59] |
Vexual | time for another video | [11:59] |
Vexual | don't answer that | [11:59] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: Deception. | [12:00] |
Vexual | whaddya you mean, hes fucking batman | [12:00] |
BingoBoingo | Huh, looks like I should have put more money on Slovenia than I did. | [12:00] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: Yeah. But he is good at deception. That is how he uses all of these high tech weapons while hiding he is almost as rich as Mircea. | [12:01] |
Vexual | hmm | [12:02] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO5rDmSY6N4 | [12:02] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: I mean how many peopl in Gotham can afford Batman tools? Maybe 5-10? | [12:02] |
ozbot | Dizzee Rascal - Dirtee Cash ( Offcial Video HQ.) - YouTube | [12:02] |
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Vexual | ny gotham or gotham gotham? | [12:03] |
Vexual | gg yah? | [12:03] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000876 = 3.7668 BTC [+] {2} | [12:06] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: Imagination land version. | [12:06] |
Vexual | ok | [12:06] |
BingoBoingo | I actually had a neighbor named Batman once. | [12:07] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY | [12:07] |
ozbot | Wiley - Wearing My Rolex (Official Music Video) - YouTube | [12:07] |
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moiety | sorry delayed response: Vexual: it's a national vote, i don't think they let you email it in | [12:17] |
Vexual | lol | [12:18] |
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moiety | BingoBoingo: batman? please tell me there was also a Robin on your street | [12:20] |
BingoBoingo | moiety: Nah. THis was grad school so we lived in the same building. | [12:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11206 @ 0.00087603 = 9.8168 BTC [+] | [12:21] |
moiety | bound to have been a Robin too then.... ok, I'm satisfied | [12:21] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inn4juu0Cfs | [12:24] |
ozbot | Iggy Azalea - My World (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube | [12:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5584855 = 1.117 BTC [+] {2} | [12:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.56822498 = 11.3645 BTC [+] {4} | [12:27] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvcHVesIzMU | [12:29] |
ozbot | Tatu - Nas Nie Dogoniat - YouTube | [12:29] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57287264 = 6.3016 BTC [+] {4} | [12:32] |
BingoBoingo | Fuck Yeah, Slovenia whooped the shit out of Slovakia. | [12:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.5755599 = 11.5112 BTC [+] {4} | [12:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58669728 = 11.7339 BTC [+] {8} | [12:34] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/13/1277249/-Reporters-Without-Borders-United-States-plummets-in-Press-Freedom-Index | [12:35] |
ozbot | Reporters Without Borders: United States plummets in Press Freedom Index | [12:35] |
mircea_popescu | "Compared to other nations, the United States ranks just below Romania, and just above Haiti" | [12:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58976433 = 11.7953 BTC [+] {6} | [12:35] |
mircea_popescu | you know... haiti. | [12:36] |
BingoBoingo | See Mircea, your blog has been safer than mine the whole time. | [12:36] |
mircea_popescu | Much of Eastern and Central Europe rates better than the United States, and from Western Europe, only Italy rates worse. | [12:37] |
mircea_popescu | italy. you know... the scum of yurp | [12:37] |
mircea_popescu | seems so lol | [12:37] |
BingoBoingo | Well, Ever since the Etruscans, Italy has been kind of fucked | [12:38] |
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mircea_popescu | In January 2012, the SEC charged an Illinois-based investment adviser with offering to sell fictitious securities on LinkedIn and issued two alerts in an agency-wide effort to highlight the risks investors and advisory firms face when using social media. Anthony Fields offered more than $500 billion in fictitious securities through various social media websites. For example, he used LinkedIn discussions to promote fict | [12:39] |
mircea_popescu | itious “bank guarantees” and “medium-term notes.” | [12:39] |
mircea_popescu | sooo... anyone want to guess as to the guy's bitcointalk name ? | [12:39] |
BingoBoingo | That's before my time. | [12:39] |
BingoBoingo | Imma guess Augusto Croppo? | [12:40] |
chetty | hmm something Trader .. | [12:40] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea whatsoever, just guessing | [12:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00087604 = 9.0232 BTC [+] {2} | [12:40] |
BingoBoingo | Phineas is the only other Illinoisian, but Anthony and Bruno are different names. | [12:41] |
BingoBoingo | Dunno if Augusto is Illinoisian, but Anthony sounds like a name that might degrade to that nick. | [12:42] |
mircea_popescu | nominalism seems hardly grounds to impugn anyone. | [12:43] |
BingoBoingo | Of course not. | [12:43] |
BingoBoingo | Which is why I made a stab in the dark thinking someone who offered the question might have had the name in mind. | [12:44] |
Vexual | wheres the real estate guy? | [12:44] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: Ohio | [12:44] |
BingoBoingo | Chicago's way outside of my area of operation anyways. | [12:45] |
Vexual | yeah i now that, if hes buying millies he should know about the whole country | [12:45] |
BingoBoingo | I mean they built their downtown around an open sewer | [12:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.588 BTC [-] | [12:46] |
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BingoBoingo | Several of my favorite memories from Undergrad involve throwing up or shitting into the Chicago river. | [12:47] |
Vexual | fuck id need many tributaries to manage that | [12:47] |
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BingoBoingo | Vexual: It worked out, because there were Sherpas in the group I traveled to Chicago with. Nobody handles sick ghostfaces better than Sherpas. | [12:49] |
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pankkake | BingoBoingo: ATC address? | [13:00] |
BingoBoingo | pankkake: 14UCZyAxu73kF18SrsR6Ud6Xcy1ZnVWfTA | [13:01] |
pankkake | sent | [13:01] |
BingoBoingo | pankkake: Recieved. | [13:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4284 @ 0.00087308 = 3.7403 BTC [-] | [13:02] |
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BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: I'm ready to see what I can do by the Ides of March | [13:06] |
mircea_popescu | o hey that works out splendidly doesn't it. teh ideas of march. | [13:07] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9399 @ 0.00087282 = 8.2036 BTC [-] {2} | [13:09] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Of course. | [13:10] |
pankkake | I wonder how many have stopped mining atc waiting for the diff to come down | [13:10] |
mircea_popescu | kind of self feeding cycle that neh ? | [13:10] |
pankkake | long diff periods definitely don't work for altcoins | [13:10] |
BingoBoingo | pankkake: I wouldn't be surprised if kakobrekla is waiting for the drop to fire up the Buttfuries | [13:10] |
Vexual | my 7770 wont cut it | [13:10] |
Vexual | even p2pool | [13:11] |
Vexual | when that new am shit dropping? | [13:11] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, roughly 12 hours until my birthday starts. | [13:12] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00087228 = 6.5421 BTC [-] {2} | [13:21] |
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Vexual | ukyo could point his machines at it and get red by summer | [13:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4137 @ 0.00087552 = 3.622 BTC [+] {3} | [13:30] |
Vexual | it's my cat's birthday | [13:31] |
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BingoBoingo | Vexual, I may or may not be your cat in disguise | [13:34] |
Vexual | yar, i don't know what im doing | [13:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00087671 = 11.7917 BTC [+] {3} | [13:35] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: Maybe lock your cat in the closet and if I keep responding on IRC, you can by empiricism demonstrate I am not your cat. | [13:36] |
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Vexual | actual cat? | [13:38] |
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BingoBoingo | Vexual: The only meanigful test is actual empiricism | [13:39] |
Vexual | i thought my cat was somewhere eating things... | [13:40] |
BingoBoingo | Vexual: Eating things or communicating through a mouth operated Internet device. | [13:41] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/ | [13:47] |
ozbot | ZeekRewards Receivership Website | [13:47] |
mircea_popescu | anyone remember those ? | [13:47] |
BingoBoingo | Nope | [13:49] |
mircea_popescu | at the time pirate ran his 7% a week thing, there was an irl 7% a week thing | [13:50] |
mircea_popescu | that. | [13:50] |
mircea_popescu | after pirate collapsed people speculated there was some relation. | [13:50] |
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BingoBoingo | I should have started a lot earlier | [13:56] |
BingoBoingo | I missed the era of the stupid controlling an actual portion of the BTC monetary mass. | [13:59] |
mircea_popescu | nutty times. everyone knew better. | [14:00] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [14:00] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 653.0, Best ask: 653.17, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 653.0, 24 hour volume: 37379.48623285, 24 hour low: 625.0, 24 hour high: 712.9, 24 hour vwap: 662.084329952 | [14:00] |
BingoBoingo | I just regret that one of the hot active threads when I started was the Usagi == Scammer thread back before Deprived did a runner. | [14:01] |
BingoBoingo | Time machine would be a better investment for anyone interested in BTC than an ASIC. | [14:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.588 BTC [-] | [14:02] |
BingoBoingo | I wonder how long people could be strung along on a time machine pre-order though. | [14:03] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [14:05] |
mircea_popescu | make sure it has fans. | [14:05] |
BingoBoingo | I'll make sure the photoshop shames Box of Fans Labs itself. | [14:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07200001 = 0.432 BTC [-] | [14:11] |
mircea_popescu | !t m x.eur | [14:12] |
assbot | [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00194567 / 0.00199455 / 0.00212562 (1800 shares, 3.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00198701 / 0.00212562 (3350 shares, 6.66 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00177273 / 0.00212562 (22850 shares, 40.51 BTC) | [14:12] |
mircea_popescu | how the fuck has this been trading at 0.002 | [14:12] |
mircea_popescu | the eur is like 300 neh ? | [14:12] |
BingoBoingo | Maybe davout is slacking? | [14:13] |
pankkake | ThickAsThieves: I realize coinmarketcap actually wants number of coins, not number of blocks. I fixed it, replace "blocks" by "coins" in the URL I gave you | [14:13] |
mircea_popescu | make a fucking killing, buy futures worth 0.003 at 0.002 | [14:13] |
mircea_popescu | i guess everyone was slacking | [14:13] |
BingoBoingo | Well, operation dominate the ATC market may have begun? | [14:14] |
FabianB | ;;calc 1/0.00212518 | [14:16] |
gribble | 470.548377079 | [14:16] |
FabianB | ;;ticker --market all --currency eur | [14:16] |
gribble | MtGox BTCEUR last: 244.1, vol: 7081.41796619 | Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 473.79027, vol: 36481.52612339 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 465.0, vol: 532.78059 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 475.3602, vol: 314.60590746 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 478.829596, vol: 13103.20800000 | Volume-weighted last average: 446.584660985 | [14:16] |
assbot | 123! | [14:16] |
FabianB | < 300 eur is only gox | [14:16] |
mircea_popescu | ah i just looked at bitcoincharts basket | [14:17] |
mircea_popescu | i guess they killed mtgoxusd but not eur | [14:17] |
FabianB | looks like future is priced ok | [14:17] |
pankkake | bitcoin-central is 485 | [14:17] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 1/485 | [14:17] |
gribble | 0.0020618556701 | [14:17] |
pankkake | and still not on bitcoincharts! | [14:17] |
mircea_popescu | FabianB good to see the mkt is actually healthjy, i had a moment of panic. | [14:18] |
FabianB | nah, looks good | [14:19] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 0.00212562 / 0.0016245 | [14:19] |
gribble | 1.30847645429 | [14:19] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 0.00212562 / 00.00194567 | [14:20] |
gribble | Error: unexpected EOF while parsing ( |
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mircea_popescu | ;;calc 0.00212562 / 0.00194567 | [14:20] |
gribble | 1.09248742079 | [14:20] |
mircea_popescu | you know that is beautiful, 1.30 for 30 days, 1.09 for the week | [14:20] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, im off. gl everyone. | [14:21] |
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francis_wolke | asciilifeform: I have not drawn my conclusions r.e. the janissaries based on propaganda. At least, I'm not aware of doing so. | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | o look, new names. | [21:50] |
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mircea_popescu | dexX7 not sure how accurate that sort of stuff is. | [21:52] |
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mircea_popescu | 2.47% of total Mpex.co traffic in last 3 months is social < that part was lulzy. | [21:53] |
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asciilifeform | francis_wolke: possibly the only organized undertaking modern rulers are any good at is: presenting elaborately misleading pictures of their capabilities. | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke you realise the entire breaking tablets thing is strictly a function of man's early monkey-like state and has no practical importance today. do you ? | [21:54] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: I don't. | [21:55] |
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mircea_popescu | yes well. back in those days a one year interval was far outside the mental abilities of even "specialist" "bankers" to plan. | [21:55] |
mircea_popescu | society today relies on much more intelligent people. | [21:55] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: the basic point that stands, supposing there is one, is that caging monkeys has a certain cost | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | the fact that the bulk of the live humans are about as stupid today as in 3000 bc has little bearing | [21:56] |
asciilifeform | so the ROI on containing them isn't always positive. | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | they still wish and expect tvs running water and generally to be able to play around on the intenret. | [21:56] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: If the USD went to 0 btc - it would be a 'breaking of the tablets', regardless. | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | this requires an economy built by people who see more than a year into the future. | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke it would be the breaking of SOME tablets | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | ie, the stupid ones. | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | this happens all the time. there are 1000s of bankruptcy courts all over the world hearing millions of cases as we speak. | [21:56] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: Exactly. The point is that the middle and lower class keep working. | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | but this is in no way time based, and in no way a festival. | [21:57] |
francis_wolke | Time-based? Festival? | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | yes. our discussion started with me asking if you realise the thing you quote has more to do with the mokeys involved than with anything of import today. | [21:58] |
asciilifeform | modern monkey-handlers have not entirely abandoned the idea of 'populistic' gifts to their charges via mass expropriation (whether via debt forgiveness, abruptly nationalized industry, or whichever other tricks) | [21:59] |
francis_wolke | exactly. | [21:59] |
francis_wolke | And how do you get rid of $18 trillion in debt? And school loans. And housing loans. etc. | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i suspect the problem is more like this : if i give you a debt package, there will be a cost to evaluate its value. if that cost likely exceeds its value, you may opt to just throw the whole thing away. | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke you don't. ideally, you DONT MAKE THEM | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | not everybody needs a college degree, even if they're white, and even if their parents have "expectations". | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | modern 'debt politics' is simply a maintenance of the historic norm (most humans being formally enslaved to someone or other) by other means. | [22:01] |
francis_wolke | Agreed. | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | 'kinder/gentler/paper' but otherwise effective. | [22:01] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: have you read this: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | or moreover it's simply THE maintenance of the historic norm, independent of human agency, which is being mentally digested in ways consecvent with the current social text. | [22:01] |
asciilifeform | and there is never any question of turning them loose (that'd be the end of organized civilization as a concept) but change of masters. | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform there's never any question of turning them loose because they just won't leave. | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | turning "them" lose is like turning the cockroaches in your kitchen "loose", admitting you live in ny. | [22:02] |
asciilifeform | correct. it's rather like the 'animal activist' folks turning the mice loose. | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | they're loose already. | [22:02] |
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francis_wolke | asciilifeform: A while back you mentioned that the rulers of today are only good at misleading the public. I agree that the *visible* rulers are good at this - but can't imagine someone like Ben Bernanke caring so little about his future that the stupid are allowed to rule. | [22:05] |
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asciilifeform | francis_wolke: the visible muppets aren't good at much of anything | [22:06] |
mircea_popescu | so why does what you can and can't imagine matter ? | [22:06] |
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Duffer1 | I'd say given the state of affairs worldwide the non-visible muppets aren't good at much either | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | Duffer1 you know you'll have to first define some criteria. | [22:08] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: Because my imagination has some bearing on reality - however tenuous. | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke can you show this to me ? | [22:08] |
asciilifeform | Duffer1: this conclusion does not necessarily follow. | [22:08] |
Duffer1 | well what does it matter visible or nonvisible if the net result is crap all around for everyone? | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | again, crap by which stick ? | [22:09] |
asciilifeform | re: imagination: gedankenexperiment time. let's imagine that i imagine there's a cleaner way to solve sha(Y)=X than brute force. i pursue this line of inquiry, and the imagined turns into the actual. | [22:09] |
asciilifeform | in this scenario, imagination can indeed have an impact on reality... | [22:10] |
Duffer1 | worldwide asinine political regimes, religions, violence, ignorance | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform on your circumstance, yes. on the reality of the matter, none. | [22:10] |
francis_wolke | MP: I have met some people in so-called 1%. I know what they're like, and what their parents are like. Many of them don't think - but some do. Some actually care that civilization will be around for their decedents to enjoy. | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke you know this hardly is showing, do you ? | [22:11] |
Duffer1 | my experience is obviously subject (as was my initial statement) but i don't see anyone trying to reverse these trends | [22:11] |
francis_wolke | Though I have no experience with these matters, I can 'imagine' that they make certain sorts of donations etc. | [22:11] |
francis_wolke | Or say that I didn't actually know any of these people. | [22:12] |
asciilifeform | Duffer1: one can easily picture a set of aims that these things, which you aren't particularly fond of, help to advance. | [22:12] |
asciilifeform | 'it's not a bug, it's a feature' (TM) | [22:12] |
Duffer1 | hehe | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | listen, while i agree with the reverse (ie, indeed reality iwll have some bearing, no matter how tenuous, on your imagination), the reverse is completely baseless. | [22:12] |
Namworld | The requirements to be included in the 1% are low... | [22:12] |
francis_wolke | Okay, cool. | [22:12] |
asciilifeform | in what magic book is it written that '1%' (of what...) is a useful proxy for 'those who rule' | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | and this is so for very good reasons long explored in the history of thought. | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform fun anecdote : romania's ruler for the 90s decade owner... a house. | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | "sarac dar cinstit" = poor but honest, ion iliescu, the ex dictator-s golden boy. | [22:13] |
asciilifeform | stalin. owned: a coat. | [22:13] |
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mircea_popescu | indeed, same model. | [22:14] |
asciilifeform | this goes back to the 'what is control' question from earlier, as well as MP's recent discussion of 'owning a cow' | [22:14] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform incidentally : http://trilema.com/2014/democracy-and-finance-dont-mix-the-math-involved/#comment-98112 we're having a little dispute there. | [22:15] |
Duffer1 | i missed that one | [22:15] |
asciilifeform | if the only things you can 'own' are those that fit in your coffin, then: stalin owned only an overcoat. and a few coin in his pocket. | [22:15] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: Control, with respect to bitcoin, would be whoever has their hand on the 'kill switch'. Assuming that the guy with a nuke is stable. | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | there is no nor can there ever be such a "kill switch". | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | *that* is a figment of your imagination, like the tits on the goddesses. | [22:16] |
asciilifeform | there is a 'fuck things up quite a bit' switch, possibly. (as described in my old piece) | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | surely. | [22:16] |
asciilifeform | whether this amounts to 'kill' is debatable. | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | i do that to women occasionally. they generally love it. | [22:16] |
asciilifeform | and depends as much on herd psychology as anything else. | [22:16] |
asciilifeform | it's rather like, say you were permitted to squeeze off one shot from a small arm at your enemy. does this amount to 'kill switch'? what if you miss? what if he's got a tough hide. | [22:17] |
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francis_wolke | Agreed. | [22:18] |
francis_wolke | Control, with respect to society, is an emergent phenomenon. That being said, the Manhattan Project happened. | [22:18] |
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mircea_popescu | francis_wolke http://t.co/pwAThtM4MP << you know that's broken right ? | [22:19] |
francis_wolke | In secret no less. | [22:19] |
asciilifeform | i tend to agree with MP and others who conclude that we no longer live in a world where manhattan projects happen. | [22:19] |
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francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: It's not broken for me. http://francis-.github.io/ | [22:20] |
asciilifeform | the necessary human material is no longer readily available. just as the metals with which the SR-71 was built no longer are. | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://francis-.github.io/ | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | stubborn cat is he. | [22:20] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: If you have a reading list to support this claim, I'd be happy to read it. | [22:20] |
asciilifeform | it loads from here | [22:20] |
asciilifeform | mebbe it's cached at ft. meade. | [22:21] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: Must have been cached. (Though you already knew that) my bad. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | lol interesting | [22:21] |
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pankkake | francis-.github.io resolves, but firefox does not like the name | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | im pretty sure -. is nonrfc | [22:21] |
asciilifeform | francis_wolke: which claim ? | [22:21] |
francis_wolke | There is nothing interesting there anyway. Just an 'about' with one sentence. | [22:22] |
pankkake | nor does lynx | [22:22] |
pankkake | but chrome does | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | see, this is why we need standards. | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | so we can all agree on things. | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | like for instance now, we can agree that wtf. | [22:22] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: That we're living in a world without Manhattan projects. | [22:22] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: Actually, I'd be interested in a reading list irrespective of that. | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform now you're screwed, it looks like you'll have to write that article | [22:23] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: Same goes for you. | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | o no, i'm eight million words ahead in this game. | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | francis_wolke: i doubt that i, personally, could prove this claim to your satisfaction. | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | it is merely a strong conjecture. | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | proving non-existence is generally non-trivial. | [22:24] |
asciilifeform | except in the purely mathematical scenarios. | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke let's consider a simpler alternative. obama fdr and lincoln all broke the law, grossly. in all cases the courts duly signed off on this. | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | in the first case, the guy was able to cause civil war. | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | in the second case, the guy was able to cause massive resource redistribution | [22:25] |
mircea_popescu | in the third case, the guy was able to not cause anything outside of measurement error. | [22:25] |
asciilifeform | francis_wolke: you want a good read: "The Art of Not Being Governed." (James C. Scott) | [22:25] |
asciilifeform | (book-length, high-quality treatise on the exact recipes whereby humans are corralled and milked) | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | the reason of course being ideological convergence, which happens because of the law of large numbers : | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | when you have simple ideologies, you have much easier coherence. thus activity with greatly leveraged effect. | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | as things progress the complexity of ideology grows and so grows the number of boxes in which we put balls. soon enough you have no box with over X balls. | [22:27] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: Thanks. | [22:27] |
asciilifeform | francis_wolke: as for the absence of 'modern manhattan project', let's attack that one head-on | [22:28] |
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francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: I fail to see how this leads to a USG without Manhattan projects. | [22:28] |
asciilifeform | for instance, you appear to consider seriously the possibility of 'radical life extension tech' being presently in covert use. | [22:28] |
asciilifeform | do i understand correctly? | [22:28] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: No | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | maybe we don't mean the same thing by manhattan projects. what's your definition ? | [22:29] |
francis_wolke | err. sorry | [22:29] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform:no | [22:29] |
francis_wolke | A large scale, important project, developed in secret by USG. | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | the limits on the largeness of scale and importance are placed by said law of large numbers. | [22:29] |
asciilifeform | francis_wolke: further reading. GRU report based on U.S. silver purchases in 1941-43. | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | when the options are a1, a2, you will out of a population of 100mn find 50 people able to keep secret X | [22:30] |
asciilifeform | (manhattan project was no secret to GRU.) | [22:30] |
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mircea_popescu | when the options are a1, an you will not find out of a population of k, k [22:30] |
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mircea_popescu | which is why the fsb does not have documents leaked, in spite of it sucking, | [22:31] |
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mircea_popescu | whereas the nsa is leaked yearly, in spite of supposedly being better. | [22:31] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: Okay? | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | russia is less "civilised" which means more convergent ideologically. | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | it is very easy to draw mistaken conclusions from the fact that the 'man on the street' was entirely unaware of manhattan p. (or 'operation gladio', for a more recent example) | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | but it does not follow that either was a 'perfect secret' | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i thought we were strictly discussing secrets as "man in the street" affairs. | [22:32] |
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asciilifeform | keeping a secret from the man on the street is trivial. often, you could run his nose in it and it will stay 'secret.' | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | well not THAT man in the street. not the mobile vulgus, the beasts of the field, strictly interesting for their flesh, the cockroaches in your fabled ny apartment. | [22:33] |
asciilifeform | betcha if you plucked the quasi-mythical Pill Against RSA from its Indiana Jones subterranean vault, perhaps six people alive would understand what they are looking at were it shown to them. | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | the actual man, ie, the middle class man. | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | a "reasonably intelligent observer" | [22:34] |
asciilifeform | phun phact: many of the still-officially-secret docs from manhattan proj. are available in dead-tree print - in russian, naturally. | [22:34] |
asciilifeform | any moron can waltz into a russian academic bookstore and buy all he can eat. | [22:34] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform and legal to import into the us in your luggage, but then again illegal to export | [22:35] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: speaking of which, are PGP tattoos still in fashion, i wonder. | [22:35] |
asciilifeform | 'i am a controlled munition.' | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:36] |
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mircea_popescu | they never got far, i imagine cause they're so hard to make and unwieldy to weart | [22:36] |
asciilifeform | if i recall it was the perl version | [22:37] |
asciilifeform | <100 chars. or so. | [22:37] |
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mircea_popescu | your average tattoo "artist" doesn't do so well with letters. | [22:37] |
asciilifeform | haha that'd be hilarious in the pgp case | [22:37] |
asciilifeform | idiot hipster asks for pgp tattoo, gets rot-13. | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:38] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: To clarify, I'd imagine that anyone with enough money / power would be interested in the possiblity of radical life extension (Peter Theil, MP, Satoshi) if / when the tech is there. As such, if I were smart enough to create btc, I'd certainly team up with the most powerful country, so that if the tech does get 'there', I'll be ready. | [22:38] |
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mircea_popescu | why do you think so ? i wouldn't personally be interested in such. | [22:39] |
asciilifeform | francis_wolke: phun phact. my first paying job was 'activate somatic telomerase.' project croaked from utter lack of the necessary depth of understanding. | [22:39] |
francis_wolke | Phun phact indeed. | [22:40] |
asciilifeform | (and, not simply mine) | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | i mean marginally, like i'm interested in whatever new chick takes her top off, but otherwise... | [22:40] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: You wouldn't opt for another 400 years? | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | that aside, i do believe we'll probably be the first immortal generation, | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | and probably rue the day. | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke doing what ? | [22:41] |
pankkake | doing girls 300 years younger | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | srsly now. | [22:41] |
francis_wolke | ha. | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | i first retired aged 24. i came back because i got bored out of my mind. | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | i got lucky, cause btc came around, but how many cycles do you think i can take ? | [22:42] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: I don't know you well enough to say. | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | well nobody does, but still. | [22:42] |
asciilifeform | immortality is a tricky beast - biology aside! the life expectancy of a daily wash. d.c. beltway driver is maybe 200 years. | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform how'd you figure that ?! | [22:42] |
asciilifeform | accident stats. a debatable figure, could be off by as much as 10x. | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | lmao ok | [22:43] |
asciilifeform | (naturally, gedankenexperiment assumes an eternal and unchanging beltway, etc.) | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [22:43] |
benkay | http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=26001ed | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | beltway, bellyway, errything. | [22:44] |
ozbot | dishes | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | could just as well calculate the life of a somali pirate, or oil driller. | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what's the lifespan of a redditard ? | [22:44] |
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benkay | mircea_popescu: on the subject of the feed you've been yammering at me about | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: depends! is he in an oubliette where he belongs? | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | in Butugichag? | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | benkay tiikoni and tis. you tease you. what happened to cunny and tits ? | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform in his mom's basementichag | [22:45] |
francis_wolke | Still not sure why you both think we live in a world devoid of Manhattan projects btw. | [22:45] |
asciilifeform | (lifespan of a strong man in B. was reportedly six months.) | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke but you never engaged my argument at all. | [22:45] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform amusingly, the romans used the salt mines (in transylvania) to much the same effect. | [22:46] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: You simply don't have to tell all that many people when you're creating a new currency - and even if you do, who is going to listen? | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | "go fight in the arena for glory or rot in turda salt mine boi" | [22:46] |
asciilifeform | 'glorious secret undertakings like Manhattan p. carry on' is quite similar of a hypothesis to 'god exists' | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke but a new currency isn't a manhattan project. | [22:46] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: Ah - but that's what I'm getting at - I think it was. | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | creating a new currency is like fucking an altar boy. nobody needs to know anything. | [22:47] |
benkay | francis_wolke: have you read the source? | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | francis_wolke: you believe that it was? or believe that it must have been. | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | a manhattan project is like escavating a tunnel under the nunnery. | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | which is it | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | plenty of people need to know | [22:47] |
francis_wolke | benkay: I have not. | [22:47] |
benkay | sophisticated engineering project it ain't | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | i'm perfectly willing to listen to evidence that 'was'. but 'must have been' is absurd. | [22:48] |
benkay | not broken, for sure | [22:48] |
benkay | crypto minds deployed against it, for sure | [22:48] |
benkay | rigorous engineering? | [22:48] |
benkay | notrly. | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | if every great painting in history is a manhattan project then venice and the low countries own the us in manhattanness, srsly. | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | who knew. | [22:48] |
benkay | venice et al pwn the us anyways | [22:48] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: I don't believe anything. I'm asking here because you all know more than I. | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | benkay diff discussion :) | [22:48] |
pankkake | bitcoin, the first released version, was certainly written by one lone guy | [22:48] |
mircea_popescu | [22:49] | |
asciilifeform | francis_wolke: suggested exercise: invent something fundamental. | [22:49] |
mircea_popescu | it's neither large scale nor important in that context. | [22:49] |
asciilifeform | then you will know what it feels like to be a perfect 'conspiracy' of one man. | [22:49] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake with a tenuous grasp of c practice. | [22:49] |
asciilifeform | you'll have thoughts like 'wtf. how is it that only one man can know something' | [22:49] |
dexX7 | mircea_popesu: yea, i guess it's not very accurate, but interesting to see an estimate | [22:49] |
francis_wolke | asciilifeform: Fair enough. | [22:50] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i loved dame dench. "Be careful with my name, or you may wear it out!" | [22:51] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: See my gist. However, I think that it's clear I need to read the Bitcoin sources and more history. The 'reasoning' in said gist may not correspond to reality. | [22:52] |
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mircea_popescu | in a world where every "idea" is in fact chewed and spit and chewed so many times by so many generations by now all that's left is the spit itself, in which vaguely one can recognise the marks left by the spit of whoever long ago, in the manner new spits mix today because of the presence of that old saliva of yore, | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | the notion of fresh produce is indeed imponderable. | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke actual link ? | [22:53] |
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francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: https://gist.github.com/francis-/34ac1e35e1de283da258 | [22:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.002941 = 0.5441 BTC [+] | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | fucking teleomeres. | [22:54] |
mjr_ | whats up all | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | half the time when i select something a final char is omitted | [22:54] |
benkay | yo mjr_ what's up | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | " Anyone intelligent enough to create Bitcoin will have aligned themselves with some sort of governmental body." << this is a weak assumption. | [22:54] |
mjr_ | very weak mircea_popescu | [22:55] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: i pointed this out already. | [22:55] |
mjr_ | benkay: whats up | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | ello mjr_ | [22:55] |
mjr_ | i just got the coolest new domain | [22:55] |
mjr_ | i'm quite proud of it | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | benkay so that makes 2 :) | [22:55] |
benkay | hackin migration scripts, watching the babe do dishes in heels | [22:55] |
mjr_ | longtermcryptomanagement.com, longtermcryptomgmt.com and ltcmgmt.com | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | "A group of people associated with multiple world powers." << no. actual internationalisation happened in 2013, was announced on trilema. | [22:55] |
benkay | well, sweeping now but general domesticity. what's the domain? | [22:55] |
mjr_ | restarting a brand new LTCM | [22:56] |
benkay | litecoin management lol mjr_ | [22:56] |
mjr_ | no no | [22:56] |
mjr_ | long term crypto | [22:56] |
benkay | that's what i read | [22:56] |
benkay | nope | [22:56] |
benkay | you're in the litecoin biz nao | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | mjr_ they're not that great. | [22:56] |
mjr_ | hahaha | [22:56] |
mjr_ | its mostly a joke mircea_popescu | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | o o | [22:56] |
benkay | i think the ltcmgmt is great! | [22:56] |
mjr_ | anyone who knows LTCM will find it prety funny | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | "and Israel" << wtf ?! how do you reason francis_wolke ? | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | "and the remaining states are all allies of the US" < ahaha what! | [22:57] |
mjr_ | but i plan on using it as a private consulting company for btcshares.com | [22:57] |
mjr_ | did you guys see that guy from btc shop? | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | i guess required reading http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/ | [22:57] |
benkay | if you'd read the gist it woulda saved so much time mircea_popescu | [22:57] |
benkay | you could've jumped straight to the mockery! | [22:57] |
mjr_ | went public on the pink sheets...as i was recommending bitcoin companies do a year ago | [22:57] |
mjr_ | ^^ | [22:57] |
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mircea_popescu | "it's disposal" that's not how you spell the possesive. | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | "neigh-impossible" << what is this, cockney ?! | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform who's this guy ? | [22:58] |
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mjr_ | hahaha | [22:58] |
mjr_ | i've missed chatting with you guys | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | "Even if the initial miners in the "Satoshi Gang" were not initially part of the USG - they would be hunted down and forced to turn over their Bitcoin at gunpoint." oh for the love of christ. | [22:59] |
mjr_ | do you have the link handy for the romania trip? | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | mjr_ the conference you mea n? | [22:59] |
mjr_ | yes | [22:59] |
benkay | mjr_: pm | [22:59] |
mjr_ | i am starting to try and make plans | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ | [22:59] |
ozbot | The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [22:59] |
mjr_ | thanks so much | [23:00] |
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mircea_popescu | francis_wolke your git is nonsense. | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | and somewhat related : | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | Dolchstoßlegende is the notion, widely believed in right-wing circles in Germany after 1918, that the German Army did not lose World War I but was instead betrayed by the civilians on the home front, especially the republicans who overthrew the monarchy. Advocates denounced the German government leaders who signed the Armistice on November 11, 1918, as the "November Criminals" (German: Novemberverbrecher). | [23:00] |
francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: I read the logs. My wifi died. | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | now, can we transpose the manhattan argument in terms of novemberverbrecher argument ? | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | ie, could we say the same things we say of our current fashion (ie, large scale tech project) about yesteryear's fashion ? | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | (ie, large scale political project) | [23:01] |
francis_wolke | I'm not following. | [23:02] |
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mircea_popescu | the only difference being that in the 2000s humanity is fed by technology, whereas in 1900 it was fed by politics, which meant, of course, deploying the force of arms to acquire wealth. | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: who's this guy << no idea. seems to read my site at least occasionally. | [23:03] |
mircea_popescu | francis_wolke you'll ahve to put that in the form of a question. | [23:03] |
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francis_wolke | mircea_popescu: One sec, reading your blogpost. | [23:03] |
mircea_popescu | no rush really, #bitcoin-assets is eternal | [23:03] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform keeps giving us these immortality pills, we'll be here forever. | [23:04] |
ThickAsThieves | someone likes the BitBet layout: https://fairlay.com/ | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha fair lay! | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | speaking of lays : benkay take the girls pic, post it, have her come by i'll give her a bitcoin so she can build her independent wealth. | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | (in heels, doing housework, obviously) | [23:07] |
benkay | that was her! | [23:07] |
benkay | she's already on payroll over here. | [23:07] |
benkay | although if you foot the bill for travel to romania you can have a go at talking her into your dungeon. | [23:08] |
pankkake | https://fairlay.com/bet/registered/new/ethereum-talk-10-000-views-on-youtube/ how can this be approved :/ | [23:08] |
ozbot | Bet on: Ethereum talk > 10.000 views on YouTube | [23:08] |
pankkake | fake views are so cheap | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | benkay i normally talk girls out of it not into it. | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | and what "that" ? | [23:09] |
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mircea_popescu | pankkake it's a fair lay lmao | [23:09] |
benkay | the tikooni | [23:10] |
mjr_ | mircea_popescu: | [23:10] |
mjr_ | it is prevailing market rates of 1760? | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | o srsly ? /me actually clicks the link then | [23:10] |
mjr_ | has that been edited? i seem to remember 10 bitcoin price, not sure if i am remembering wrong | [23:10] |
benkay | psh | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | mjr_ sorry ? | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | benkay you know i have the exact bowl ? | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | fucking chinese. | [23:12] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: that's a strainer. | [23:12] |
mircea_popescu | i see no holes ?! | [23:12] |
mjr_ | mircea_popescu: i thought the fee was 10 bitcoins for VIP, not that I am complaining, I just haven't looked in a while | [23:12] |
mjr_ | and i was under that impression | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | nah it always was X at time of payment, | [23:13] |
benkay | it's a low-rez jpeg and they're small! | [23:13] |
mjr_ | ah cool | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | happened to be 10 btc at that time | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | wow. ok nm then! | [23:13] |
mjr_ | i am planning on going, and will get the payment in b4 the ides of march | [23:13] |
mjr_ | have to check my schedule real quick but it should be fine | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | i was going to go "oh, the blessings of romanian living, i just drained a bottle of tuica out of my barrel in the cellar now i have nicely cold tuica", but i guess i should pass. | [23:14] |
benkay | not moving to argentina, i gather. | [23:16] |
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mircea_popescu | who knows these things. | [23:16] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform let me ask you this : are you gathering lots of information about the early days of bitcoin by extensively watching the altcoin chain, tracking txns etc ? | [23:17] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: on and off. | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | gedankenexperiment : you are the usg. | [23:17] |
asciilifeform | not terribly actively in recent times, got, well, other things on me plate. | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | could you have been a one man conspiracy to take it all over ? certainly. did you ? no. why not ? well...because of soft constraints. | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | this is what they are, this is how they work. | [23:19] |
asciilifeform | everyone likes to imagine that there lives a hero. | [23:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25888 @ 0.00087307 = 22.602 BTC [+] {5} | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | sure. and i see no problem with that, as you know, conversation. | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | reality however... | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | you gotta actually do it for it to be done. coulding have done it ain't military grade. | [23:21] |
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mircea_popescu | epic shit this, i've already derived more value from it than doge ever was worth. | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | benkay anyway, nice girl, happy times! | [23:24] |
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benkay | mmm yes. | [23:48] |
benkay | happy times. | [23:48] |
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deanclkclk | anyone around? | [23:56] |
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deanclkclk | are there any alternatives to okpay which accepts fiat on behalf of exchanges? | [23:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8064 @ 0.00087015 = 7.0169 BTC [-] | [23:56] |
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mircea_popescu | deanclkclk not really. | [23:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2886 @ 0.00086943 = 2.5092 BTC [-] | [23:57] |
mircea_popescu | exchanges currently seem to have a lot of problems, but if you trust any one you are best served by asking them what they can process | [23:58] |
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