Forum logs for 15 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
Duffer1 like match.com but with btc escrow [00:01]
mircea_popescu hahaha that actually sounds like a fucking pitch. [00:01]
mircea_popescu "like match.com but with btc AND screw" [00:01]
Duffer1 i wonder who their target market is that isn't already serviced by localbitcoins [00:02]
mircea_popescu localbitcoins is more like a brand than like an actual service servicing local markets. [00:03]
mircea_popescu mjr_ 's thing is going the same way. [00:03]
mircea_popescu his experience clearly shows that that market needs someone to put his foot down and keep at it for 5+ years. [00:04]
mircea_popescu i mean, it responded to half year's worth of pressure nicely. but it isn't enough. [00:04]
Duffer1 6months? that's first i've seen of it [00:04]
Duffer1 well good luck to them :P [00:04]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 there was this attempt to make a more concrete localbitcoins, "buttonwood" [00:06]
Duffer1 wasn't that supposed to be an app? [00:06]
mircea_popescu it was a central park meeting for a few months. [00:06]
Duffer1 oh one of the get togethers [00:07]
pankkake there's dealco.in too [00:08]
Duffer1 https://github.com/joshuarossi/buttonwood_meteor [00:09]
Duffer1 they talked about it a bit on letstalkbitcoin podcast [00:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.0009007 = 30.2635 BTC [-] [00:16]
kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/355/us-federal-minimum-wage-will-be-raised-above/#c2076 [00:17]
ozbot BitBet - US Federal Minimum Wage will be raised above $7.25 by the end of 2013 [00:17]
mircea_popescu was it ? [00:17]
kakobrekla bitbet should change slogan from 'got milk?' to 'better than bank.' [00:17]
kakobrekla (re last two comments) [00:17]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla over lunch i was loling with one mod, because she observed that "well, for many people bitbet is a great proposition because not only it allows them to win, but also it prevents them from spending their btc in the interval. [00:18]
mircea_popescu so some kid bets 20 bucks on btc being over 1000 in six months, he gets 5 grand out." [00:18]
kakobrekla hehehe [00:18]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/478/usd-btc-to-drop-below-40-in-2013/#c2078 [00:22]
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ozbot BitBet - USD/BTC to drop below $40 in 2013 [00:22]
mircea_popescu so fucking cute, these kids. [00:22]
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pankkake No pays: 0.997 [00:28]
mircea_popescu http://www.mrskincdn.com/data/clip/02/69/71/BlurredLines-Ratajkowski-HD-SAT-01-frame-1.jpg [00:30]
mircea_popescu i can't believe they still do nude panties. [00:30]
mircea_popescu it's 2013, yo. [00:30]
pankkake didn't miley cyprus do something like that? [00:32]
pankkake which looks like shit by the way [00:33]
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mircea_popescu for a moment i thought there actually is a pron starlet named miley cyprus [00:34]
pankkake nor there is a britney spheres :/ [00:35]
mircea_popescu that'd have been a 200s thing [00:36]
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asciilifeform would she 'rolls without slipping on the herpolhode' ? [00:36]
asciilifeform (obligatory ref: http://mazepath.com/uncleal/herpol.htm) [00:37]
mircea_popescu pankkake http://uk.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2013730/rs_560x415-130830150852-1024..miley-cyrus-twerk-vma.ls.83013.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cWgbbdXx5Is/UOM_S50tf3I/AAAAAAAAEuU/DTbMYh_GVZg/s320/Laughing+Camel.jpg [00:37]
pankkake haha [00:37]
pankkake I mean, I like both sluts and tongues. and this girl, EW [00:38]
mircea_popescu http://mazepath.com/uncleal/herpol.htm [00:38]
mircea_popescu cmon ozbot. [00:38]
Duffer1 is it just me or do her teeth look like dentures? [00:39]
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pankkake just a wide smile exposing the gum? [00:40]
Duffer1 oh it's a horse [00:41]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:42]
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mircea_popescu "murine rights" ? fucking seriously ? [00:42]
asciilifeform this existed! [00:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform baby you are an encyclopedia of all things timecubey [00:43]
asciilifeform al, like me, once lived under the damocle's sword of regulations on what you can do to... mice. [00:43]
mircea_popescu this for instance may be the only document on the english web using the otherwise gramatically correct and meaningful phrase [00:43]
asciilifeform al used english language the way some maniacs use perl [00:44]
asciilifeform i.e. all the features. [00:44]
mircea_popescu "997 was Media-saturated with El Niño spin - the largest El Niño event in recorded history and a non-negotiable consequence of the Greenhouse Effect! California was to be washed away under unceasing deluge as the Earth burned! The whole thing summed to one rainstorm and some backpedaling." [00:45]
mircea_popescu how quickly that was forghotten, too. [00:45]
mircea_popescu it's almost all the libertards of today are too young to have any recollection of 1997 [00:45]
mircea_popescu wait... they actually are. whodda thunk you can run a political movement on the passions of teenagers. [00:45]
Duffer1 liberals or libertarians? [00:47]
mircea_popescu libertards = retards who think there is such a thing as "progress" [00:48]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform don't lose track of all these badly typeset rants, when we burn the old maculature we're going to want new maculature to replace "the history of the world" with. [00:49]
asciilifeform got old mr. schwartz complete on 4 floppies. [00:49]
asciilifeform his 'deluxe package.' [00:49]
asciilifeform 25 bux in '98. [00:49]
mircea_popescu you suppose the material can make it the original content on the cardano ? [00:50]
mircea_popescu we do have some storage space upon delivery, might as well not be empty. [00:50]
asciilifeform perhaps, i'd love to dig him up & ask him [00:50]
mircea_popescu please do. [00:50]
asciilifeform but he hasn't been answering mail for a while [00:50]
asciilifeform i'll give it a shot. [00:51]
mircea_popescu alternatively we violate copyrights and wait to be sued. [00:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2109 @ 0.00089977 = 1.8976 BTC [-] [01:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00089842 = 22.2808 BTC [-] {2} [01:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45554 @ 0.00089791 = 40.9034 BTC [-] {2} [01:27]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/664/google-glass-discontinued-in-2014/ [01:41]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that you ? [01:42]
ozbot BitBet - Google Glass discontinued in 2014 [01:42]
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mircea_popescu "Thus for example the X.IDIFF.DEC traded in January 2013 will settle on MPEx on December the 18th, 2013. Should the network difficulty at that time be 3370182 then each contract will be worth 0.03370182 BTC." [01:46]
mircea_popescu text written in january. [01:46]
mircea_popescu ;;bcstats [01:46]
gribble Current Blocks: 274938 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1253 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1094254397.86 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.46605 [01:46]
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mircea_popescu only about 30x off the mark. [01:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00089977 = 1.1247 BTC [+] [01:57]
nubbins` well hello [02:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00089762 = 16.3816 BTC [-] {2} [02:02]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: what's an order of magnitude, anyway [02:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00279999 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2} [02:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 831 @ 0.00283178 = 2.3532 BTC [+] {5} [02:06]
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mircea_popescu two, technically. [02:10]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3969507#msg3969507 yay havecocks [02:10]
ozbot Havelock Investments - Exchange feedback/comments [02:10]
nubbins` oo you're right [02:11]
nubbins` anyway, funny story. got this new kind of dope, been sneezing like mad [02:11]
nubbins` "oh no, i'm allergic to the marihuana" [02:11]
nubbins` turns out my basil plant started flowering again [02:11]
nubbins` snip snip, no more allergies [02:11]
pankkake ban basil plants [02:12]
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nubbins` i know right? one guy sneezed a couple times [02:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 10000 @ 0.00016631 = 1.6631 BTC [+] {16} [02:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27047 @ 0.00089977 = 24.3361 BTC [+] [02:13]
nubbins` basil, destroyer of youth [02:13]
nubbins` corrupter of the innocent [02:13]
nubbins` defiler of white women [02:15]
mircea_popescu pankkake so that's the end of havelock then. [02:15]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [02:15]
gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 [02:15]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1ca25d63307a4c43316c160f03f3313ca3b609e411b15d2e2ebc05a0 [02:16]
gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [02:16]
nubbins` ahahahahahaha [02:16]
nubbins` re: havelock/virtex [02:16]
nubbins` what a bunch of cock suckers [02:16]
mircea_popescu ;;rate topace -3 Ran a fake exchange, scammed noobs out of thousands of BTC. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3969507#msg3969507 for an example. [02:16]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -3 for user topace has been recorded. [02:16]
nubbins` nay, what a bunch of dick-noses [02:16]
nubbins` i know plenty of cock suckers who are upstanding members of the community [02:17]
mircea_popescu that makes 3 out of 3 for the 2nd batch. [02:17]
mircea_popescu looking forward to the inevitable 3rd batch, of course. which will be so very different, of course. [02:17]
nubbins` so sketchy [02:18]
nubbins` where's that guy mr_e_ from the forums [02:18]
nubbins` oh, haha [02:19]
nubbins` from the link: ".."certificates" in another company called Alberta" [02:19]
mircea_popescu they're going for the gigavps scam. [02:19]
nubbins` from the announcement: "1612643 Alberta Inc. (operating as Virtex)" [02:20]
nubbins` lelel [02:20]
nubbins` joke being that you can refer to your business as Inc. [02:20]
nubbins` or Canada Inc. for federally incorporated [02:20]
nubbins` anyway, time i guess to make sure my virtex account is cleared out. [02:21]
nubbins` this is going to make it a lot harder for my business to accept btc [02:21]
nubbins` ok, after reading further, it looks like holders can redeem their havelock shares for actual share certificates from virtex [02:23]
nubbins` at least they can't sell them [02:23]
pankkake and what do they get, CAD dividends? [02:24]
mircea_popescu the thing never paid dividends. [02:24]
mircea_popescu the entire bs is there to give idiots something to do with their time. "learn how to tapdance and then get your coupon for a chance to get an option to dance in front of the tv". [02:25]
mircea_popescu you know, rather than spending that same time hunting us down. [02:25]
pankkake so basically they steal your stuff but give you a paper instead [02:25]
mircea_popescu this is exactly what btc is not about. [02:26]
pankkake yeah, that's a government trademark [02:26]
nubbins` pankkake yes [02:26]
nubbins` "VirtEx took 4000 btc from an IPO in March ($150K) promising a dividend that they never delivered. Now, only 9 months later, their market reap is worth $3.6M (quite the gestation) and they are exiting the exchange. No dividend, no buyback, simply a promise to exchange currently held shares for "something else". " [02:26]
pankkake but how virtex never paid dividends? the exchange was still operating at a loss? [02:26]
nubbins` no, they were making money hand-over-fist. [02:27]
asciilifeform wtf is with 'virtex' anyway. every time i think 'xilinx'. what's next? btc product called 'coca cola' ? [02:27]
nubbins` pankkake: the "new, lower" fees are 1.5% on every trade [02:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform was a canada-only btc/cad exchange [02:27]
nubbins` hand. over. fist. [02:27]
nubbins` scoundrels [02:27]
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pankkake that's quite expensive for an exchange [02:28]
pankkake perhaps there are not enough canadians [02:29]
nubbins` well, ya know, volume. [02:29]
nubbins` 7 day: 3000 btc [02:29]
nubbins` although that's still taking the piss [02:29]
nubbins` ;calc 3000*.015 [02:29]
pankkake better than bitcoin-central :p [02:29]
mircea_popescu don't they charge the 1.5 both ways ? [02:29]
nubbins` ;;calc 3000*.015*[ticker --last] [02:29]
gribble 40686.525 [02:29]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: yes [02:29]
mircea_popescu they do mpex style one side only ? [02:29]
mircea_popescu so then .03 [02:30]
pankkake which is considered "high fee" with its 0.59 [02:30]
nubbins` okay so they only made $40k CAD per week in fees [02:30]
nubbins` not so bad [02:30]
pankkake mpex is one side only? seller? [02:30]
nubbins` i mean, they do have like a handful of employees [02:30]
mircea_popescu yes. [02:30]
nubbins` ;;calc 3000*.03*[ticker --last] [02:30]
gribble 81373.05 [02:30]
pankkake like havelock :p [02:30]
pankkake somehow I figured it was just easier to have the fee only on the seller side [02:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` poverty and managerial incompetence are always poor excuses. they claimed they were an exchange, and can compete. then they should be an exchange and compete, [02:31]
nubbins` well if they don't plan on paying divs, there's either some serious salaries or some really shiny iMacs [02:31]
mircea_popescu rather than expect the public to donate thousands of btc to prop up their unwarranted pretensions and delusions. [02:31]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: i wonder what will happen to the shares of people who don't want to hand over all their personal info? [02:31]
nubbins` bought back at a "reasonable market rate", no doubt [02:32]
mircea_popescu it's called the gigavps scam for a reason. [02:32]
nubbins` well, if nothing else, you can trade your name, address, etc for shares in an actual registered company [02:32]
mircea_popescu you can do that with five cents and a copy of the pink sheets. [02:33]
mircea_popescu if i wanted my gold arbitrarily transformed into worthless paper i'd be a us citizen. [02:33]
nubbins` sounds like a bum deal, personall [02:33]
nubbins` *y [02:33]
nubbins` oh ho! good one [02:33]
KRS|Gotyawallet heh [02:33]
KRS|Gotyawallet its not worthless!!! [02:34]
KRS|Gotyawallet a lot of it buys 1 bitcoin. [02:34]
nubbins` i wonder what the laws are regarding foreign ownership of shares [02:34]
nubbins` there was a big stink about a new wireless company not being allowed to open its doors because it was majority foreign-owned, but i'm not sure if there was industry-specific legislation [02:36]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/495/there-will-be-blood/ [02:37]
ozbot BitBet - There will be blood [02:37]
mircea_popescu all three, you hear ? [02:37]
pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one//?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK [02:38]
ozbot BitBet - And Then There Was One [02:38]
mircea_popescu tough one. [02:39]
pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/654/havelock-to-restrict-us-investors-before-dec-1st/ might be easier [02:40]
ozbot BitBet - Havelock to restrict US investors before Dec 1st 2014 [02:40]
pankkake 2 ways to win [02:40]
mircea_popescu 7 deadly sins, 7 ways to win [02:40]
mircea_popescu 7 holy paths to hell (and your trip begins) [02:41]
mircea_popescu seven downward slopes... seven bloodied hopes... seven are your burning fires... [02:41]
mircea_popescu seven, your desires... [02:41]
nubbins` pankkake: i lost on a similar one earlier this year [02:41]
nubbins` nov 5 [02:41]
pankkake yeah, I lost it too [02:41]
pankkake bah, it was hedging! [02:42]
pankkake (not that it stopped everything on havecock from −90%ing) [02:42]
nubbins` interesting times [02:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8744 @ 0.00089977 = 7.8676 BTC [+] [02:43]
KRS|Gotyawallet whats the deal with havelock [02:44]
KRS|Gotyawallet heard the u.s. is freezing assets with panama or something [02:44]
KRS|Gotyawallet wonder how events like this play out with bitcoin [02:45]
nubbins` hm, there aren't any financial reports for vtx? [02:46]
mircea_popescu usagi was busy. [02:47]
mircea_popescu from the holy shit dept : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbZElwQCAAEzod-.jpg [02:48]
KRS|Gotyawallet The White House said Friday the decision to freeze U.S. assets of firms in Panama, Singapore and Ukraine represented actions based on existing sanctions. [02:49]
pankkake shouldn't really affect havelock… maybe cfig which is now the same guys apparently [02:50]
pankkake "Using silly terms like “CEO of worldcoin” and “CIO of feathercoin” in their press release, UNOCS amounted to one of the most pathetic and transparent pump and dump schemes in recent times, yet people still managed to fall for it" - CEO of an altcoin. omg [02:51]
mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet the ussoviet govt is running short on cash. [02:52]
mircea_popescu it's either this or no food stamps next week. [02:52]
asciilifeform in other news, http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-successfully-completes-first-soft-landing-on-moon-in-37-years/2013/12/14/fad6ffb4-64c6-11e3-af0d-4bb80d704888_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop [02:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.26787751 = 0.5358 BTC [+] [02:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know 40 years ago that'd have touched off a space race. [02:54]
asciilifeform haha [02:54]
mircea_popescu back when the beast still had some spunk in it. [02:54]
mircea_popescu so you know... this shangri-la you speak of ? where o where is it ? [02:55]
asciilifeform only in imagination. [02:55]
asciilifeform that or, sits! waiting! [02:56]
mircea_popescu orly. [02:56]
mircea_popescu sits, waiting, while china spends 20 years developing complete tactical superiority in every field. [02:57]
asciilifeform anyone knows the story of a man called Anatoliy Golitsyn? [02:57]
mircea_popescu are you aware the only reason the us army is not completely exterminated to the last man currently is that the chinese do not WANT to ? [02:57]
asciilifeform he escaped from ussr and became chums with the famous james jesus angleton. [02:57]
mircea_popescu guy that escaped to britain ? [02:58]
mircea_popescu ya ok. [02:58]
asciilifeform and he believed (and, afaik, still does, seems to be alive) that the ussr faked its death. [02:58]
asciilifeform that it's sitting and waiting somewhere. [02:58]
KRS|Gotyawallet thanks..gonna do some reading up on all that..i must say, some interesting times we are in. [02:59]
asciilifeform he whispered in angleton's ear, and to anyone else who'd listen, that the collapse was a sham. [02:59]
asciilifeform another guy, Nosenko, defected soon after, and told CIA that G was full of shit [02:59]
KRS|Gotyawallet I'm sorry mircea_popescu, when you say "this" did you mean bitcoin or the situation with Iran and all that. [02:59]
jurov what a fancy way to explain velvet revolution [03:00]
asciilifeform whereupon angleton had N starved in a dungeon for a few years [03:00]
asciilifeform so he'd 'confess' [03:00]
mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet in the food stamps context ? the stealing of people's money by the usg. [03:00]
KRS|Gotyawallet ah ok. [03:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hard angle to sell for all the people that were offered to buy still workjing nuclear subs. [03:01]
asciilifeform that came later. [03:01]
asciilifeform after A was fired. [03:01]
mircea_popescu so did it or didn't it ? [03:01]
KRS|Gotyawallet anyone have word on cyprus? that was big news a while back and I was wondering if bitcoin was of help to them. [03:01]
asciilifeform that isn't the point. the point that there are always people at a wake saying the corpse isn't one, until it starts to stink. [03:01]
mircea_popescu and after. [03:02]
asciilifeform sometimes even after. [03:02]
mircea_popescu there are still people who figure germany had a decent shot in ww2. [03:02]
asciilifeform there are people (i'm told, in sweden) who believe that nazis still run everything. [03:02]
mircea_popescu which they do, inasmuch as they handling money can't be libertards, and a sliver of libertards believe everyone who's not equally retarded is a fascist [03:03]
mircea_popescu starting with their parents. [03:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05 = 2 BTC [03:07]
KRS|Gotyawallet what do you all think about amt mining hardware? nwcwe heard of em [03:09]
mircea_popescu link or something ? [03:11]
asciilifeform are there actually happy miners somewhere (vs. mining hw vendors), or are they all busily going broke and cursing each other for the 'arms race' ? [03:11]
KRS|Gotyawallet of course..it is an arms race indeed and they're killing each other over it [03:12]
asciilifeform botnets appear to be switching to strategically ddosing pools instead of mining. [03:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mining is not intended or designed to be a productive activity generally. [03:14]
asciilifeform (i study botnets) [03:14]
mircea_popescu it's intended to approximately break even, which means most people will book a loss. [03:14]
asciilifeform that's my understanding. which leaves the question: wtf? [03:14]
asciilifeform why do people play [03:14]
mircea_popescu (which adds cosmic perspective to the mpex view of the world, imagine there exists another whole "Ecosystem" out there made principally out of companies whose business model is operating in a not profitable by design market, and those are 90%+ of the revenue) [03:15]
KRS|Gotyawallet asciilifeform: where i used to work we got hacked and one of our servers was made part of a botnet..i tracked them down to an irc channel in the philippines..done with perl..it was pretty basic stuff but still cool to take apart. they got in because the idiots setting up the server didn't secure the /tmp directory and jboss had its admin console exposed. [03:15]
mircea_popescu anyway, people mine because if they don't mine then it's profitable [03:15]
mircea_popescu if they do hopwever it is not. [03:15]
mircea_popescu perfect cocktrap. [03:16]
KRS|Gotyawallet management was too busy worrying about time to market and couldnt be bothered with sill things like security [03:16]
asciilifeform two drunks each pay the other $100 to eat spoon of shit. [03:16]
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mircea_popescu precisely. [03:16]
mircea_popescu mpoe-pr quoted buffett on the textile market to the forum until she fell over. [03:16]
mircea_popescu it isn't something that can be helped symbolically. [03:17]
asciilifeform i once saw the term 'tournament market' used to describe this situation [03:17]
mircea_popescu it's a really great way to use the market for a good purpose. in this case, we get the strongest blockchain money can buy. [03:17]
mircea_popescu other people's money. [03:18]
asciilifeform and that it is normal and unavoidable in some spheres (athletic hopefuls, junior professors, etc.) [03:18]
mircea_popescu this isn't that thio. [03:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00090226 = 8.4812 BTC [+] [03:18]
asciilifeform most of the participants get fucked, the survivors win. [03:18]
mircea_popescu the similarity is superficial. [03:18]
mircea_popescu a tournament market, like typiocally the 1mn starlets waiting tables in hollywood is there to exploit labour. [03:18]
mircea_popescu this system is here to exploit capital. [03:19]
pankkake maybe if mining stays out of amateurs it will be profitable [03:19]
mircea_popescu that's exactly what can't happen. [03:19]
mircea_popescu mining has to be "distributed", which means, it must remain unprofitable for large ventures. [03:19]
pankkake because those certainly don't want to understand they will lose [03:19]
pankkake it has to be decentralized, who cares about being distributed [03:20]
mircea_popescu i guess the two are synonyms in this context. [03:20]
asciilifeform i often wonder, how much centralization would it take to send people running for the exits [03:21]
asciilifeform say beijing builds an optical computer out of unobtainium [03:21]
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pankkake meh. people seem to thing every little guy mining is good [03:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're asking "how much worsening of italian delis would take for mobsters to abandon manhattan" [03:21]
pankkake I just think that no central authority is good [03:21]
mircea_popescu it will never happen, they will start shooting deli owners in the street. [03:21]
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pankkake better be big businesses than 15 year old gamers [03:21]
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mircea_popescu pankkake i am one who believes every little guy mining is good. [03:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: more like 'how much background radiation would it take to get mobsters out of manhattan' [03:22]
pankkake use litecoin then :p [03:22]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201268.msg2121475#msg2121475 that's the story, if you care. [03:22]
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asciilifeform reminds me of russia's (and, for that matter, u.s.) disappearing auto industry [03:24]
asciilifeform all good and well, rational to close down the plants, until the boats with toyotas stop coming. [03:25]
mircea_popescu which is why small guys mining is good. [03:25]
mircea_popescu it's like farming. [03:25]
mircea_popescu (of course, in this perspective mega-bitcoin-corporations a la asicminer are small guys too) [03:26]
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KRS|Gotyawallet anyone have a comment on amt mining gear [03:43]
mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet why do you think this is even a thing ? [03:44]
mircea_popescu noob makes random thread on btctalk five weeks ago. he's nobody and his thing doesn't exist. [03:45]
KRS|Gotyawallet damnit..such scam. much drama [03:46]
KRS|Gotyawallet i want to scam the scammer someday..that would be +10000 [03:47]
mircea_popescu russellthies Jr. Member, 5 posts : "I received an email from Jim on Dec. 3rd, regarding my 1.2 th/s order (541). At that time he told me that they were working on the final "board tweaks" and that if they were late it would be by a week or so." [03:47]
mircea_popescu noobs will be noobs. [03:47]
KRS|Gotyawallet the crux of the problem is nobody wants to seek funding for their venture, they'd rather take "preorder" money as capital to launch their offering..since when should the customer take that risk [03:48]
KRS|Gotyawallet you said it..noobs. [03:48]
mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet you can't "scam the scammer" because the scammer has enough fucking sense to respect the first rule of investing, which is, don't randomly sent btc. [03:48]
mircea_popescu that's the end of that. [03:48]
KRS|Gotyawallet word [03:48]
KRS|Gotyawallet but it would be nice [03:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, there are instruments to handle these problem, as described http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/ [03:49]
mircea_popescu all people need to do is use them. [03:49]
mircea_popescu if they don't want to use them... why's that a problem. [03:49]
KRS|Gotyawallet hmm [03:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.00283499 = 0.859 BTC [+] {2} [03:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 886 @ 0.001 = 0.886 BTC [03:54]
mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet were you around back when primeasic showed and disappeared ? [03:54]
KRS|Gotyawallet yes this article is exactly what im talking about [03:54]
KRS|Gotyawallet they were but a spec on the timeline i long forgot about that name [03:55]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/primeasic-most-likely-a-scam/ [03:55]
ozbot PrimeAsic - Most likely a scam. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [03:55]
mircea_popescu some prime investigative reporting by kakobrekla there. [03:55]
KRS|Gotyawallet there was so much other news, barely caught my eye [03:55]
mircea_popescu this is why we don't care about such. noobs don't get to start businesses. [03:55]
KRS|Gotyawallet haha [03:55]
KRS|Gotyawallet my problem is i have to identify each offering to find out if they've made a significant investment..on the surface, i have no idea..and its a shame these other folks dond either. ie skyminer [03:56]
KRS|Gotyawallet took people for 1000's of btc afaik [03:56]
mircea_popescu "people". [03:56]
mircea_popescu people know better than that. [03:56]
mircea_popescu noob starts business ? scam. end of discussion, no questuions asked. if he's a businessman he's known. [03:57]
mircea_popescu mining venture taking preorders and no delivery bet ? scam. no questions need to be asked or answered past "what's the link to your delivery bet" [03:58]
KRS|Gotyawallet i noticed they wont even blast their offering out there, it will be something subtle like a link in a trollbox somewhere so some sucker is all juicy over btc fortunes he just plunks down his 12 btc or whatever [03:59]
mircea_popescu gotta learn somehow, you know ? [03:59]
KRS|Gotyawallet actually its good both ways, darwin effect at work in business [03:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.34510223 BTC to 9`573 shares, 14051 satoshi per share [04:00]
KRS|Gotyawallet i need a scam..not sure what though..mass mailings is getting old [04:01]
asciilifeform KRS|Gotyawallet: sell gpu cards with magic firmware to ltc miners. [04:01]
KRS|Gotyawallet deface scam sites, redirect btc payments from noobs [04:01]
asciilifeform KRS|Gotyawallet: set up tor exits which replace SD addrs with yours. [04:02]
KRS|Gotyawallet NICE [04:02]
asciilifeform since when is there a shortage of ideas for cheats [04:02]
KRS|Gotyawallet haha very crevar [04:02]
mircea_popescu not something you'd wish to do, really. [04:03]
asciilifeform i mean, if you're not above scam [04:03]
mircea_popescu the irony embedded in the entire fucktard ecosystem (meaning, the noobs and those fleecing them) is that it really is quite self limiting and not particularly prosperous. [04:04]
mircea_popescu ie, being a scammer is not really so many steps about being a clueless noob. [04:04]
asciilifeform there's a delicate predator-prey equilibrium, though [04:04]
asciilifeform if some clever fellow runs a scam, he will harvest so many idiots that that particular species of scam won't work again - at least not without major cosmetic remodelling. [04:05]
mircea_popescu not really, most situations evolve as boundless systems [04:05]
mircea_popescu that particularly is not true, the warrior forum is still running two or three major scams pioneered in 1995 [04:05]
mircea_popescu just like the porn studios are still basically doing, boy meets girl, boy gets girl. [04:06]
asciilifeform i still suspect that there is a large - but finite - supply of chumpatron fuel. at least of any particular variety. [04:06]
mircea_popescu what else are they gonna do. once they're in porn they're in porn. [04:06]
KRS|Gotyawallet no going back [04:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. it equals exactly "entitlement" spending by governments. [04:07]
mircea_popescu look at the us budget for each year, you'll know about how much the taxpayer is paying to support scammers. [04:07]
KRS|Gotyawallet its like dick sucking..a guy cant just go and suck one dick and still be straight. even though it was just one dick he's a faggot. [04:07]
asciilifeform 'great fleas have little fleas, on their backs to bite them...' [04:07]
KRS|Gotyawallet just because he sucked one dick does that make him gay? [04:08]
asciilifeform 'bob the bridge-builder.' [04:08]
KRS|Gotyawallet ascoolifeform ever sniff an exit node [04:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.24530035 = 0.7359 BTC [-] {3} [04:09]
KRS|Gotyawallet ii [04:09]
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asciilifeform KRS|Gotyawallet: no comment. but i recommend the exercise. [04:09]
KRS|Gotyawallet thats what i thought [04:10]
asciilifeform if you publish your results, do it in some way that cannot be readily linked to you in meatspace. [04:10]
asciilifeform lest you end up like that swede. [04:10]
KRS|Gotyawallet i wouldnt know how to publish results like that without taking it up the ass so i just site out the whole exercise. [04:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.24309999 = 2.431 BTC [-] {4} [04:11]
KRS|Gotyawallet i mean..i could i just dont have the effort in me [04:11]
asciilifeform it doesn't take long. [04:11]
KRS|Gotyawallet the net has become so clandestine now [04:11]
KRS|Gotyawallet i lived for years and years with a black cloud over my head from all the tele op phreaking i did as a kid, professional warez importer..got tired of looking over my shoulder. [04:12]
asciilifeform funnily, tor has made lusers' traffic more public than it ever was before. [04:12]
KRS|Gotyawallet mci hated me [04:12]
KRS|Gotyawallet yeah thats the beauty of it rly [04:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00090226 = 1.6241 BTC [+] [04:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.0009033 = 29.5379 BTC [+] {3} [04:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.0009044 = 9.2701 BTC [+] {2} [04:49]
copumpkin MPOE is doing pretty well these days [04:51]
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pankkake WIP: http://pastebin.com/9xxtby4f [05:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35923 @ 0.00090026 = 32.34 BTC [-] {2} [05:28]
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bloctoc copumpkin don't these people know that bbet has a bunch of bets expiring year end? [05:44]
copumpkin I don't either :) [05:44]
copumpkin what bets? [05:44]
bloctoc not really sure myself, just got pumping I guesss [05:45]
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mircea_popescu what people ? [05:55]
fiat500 what do you mean /you people/ [05:56]
mircea_popescu copumpkin it just had a bad month actually. [05:57]
copumpkin yeah, I saw the latest report [05:57]
copumpkin perhaps people are hopeful for the next month :) [05:57]
mircea_popescu as it is shares don't really care. [05:59]
copumpkin yeah, that's why I have shares :P [06:00]
bloctoc I mean the people buying mpoe instead of bitbet shares at the year's end. [06:00]
mircea_popescu that latest looks more like it was a sale [06:02]
mircea_popescu anyway, im off. catch you all later. [06:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 277 @ 0.00221 = 0.6122 BTC [+] {2} [14:52]
BingoBoingo azoo: Check http://logs.bitcoin-assets.com [14:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.0022 = 0.33 BTC [-] {3} [14:53]
Duffer1 none of the assets they offer have come close to matching btc itself [14:54]
Duffer1 most of their offers haven't even started paying divs [14:54]
Duffer1 it's like a bitcoin blackhole [14:54]
mircea_popescu azoo no havelock company is legit, [14:54]
mircea_popescu havelock itself is run as a scam by scammers. [14:54]
Duffer1 like a bitcoin cocain straw, your money is their blow [14:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00220955 = 0.1635 BTC [+] {2} [14:55]
azoo to matching btc istself.. what do you mean by that? [14:56]
azoo mircea_popescu: can you back this by some facts? [14:56]
Duffer1 the appreciation of bitcoin in fiat outpaced value appreciation of all of havelocks offerings [14:57]
Duffer1 by a mile, it's not even close [14:57]
mircea_popescu azoo sure. they reorganised as a entity run by "no one", recently. after which they allowed their largest company (virtex) to simply walk away from the investors [14:57]
mircea_popescu collected >4k btc this year, paid no dividends, is now gone. [14:57]
Apocalyptic mircea, but you can have real shares now ! [14:58]
mircea_popescu otherwise, the statistical argument Duffer1 presents is sound. they never had a company that made investors a profit, and statisticallty they're batting the usual global scam exchange, -50% in 1/2 year. [14:58]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic for any value of real that equals worthless. [14:58]
Apocalyptic i'm just trolling [14:58]
mircea_popescu oiknow :) [14:58]
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azoo mircea_popescu: i am also considering (your?) mpoex site but its less obvious what is what:-) [14:59]
azoo mircea_popescu: is mpoex a scam as well [14:59]
azoo ? [14:59]
mircea_popescu so read the contracts or w/e. [15:00]
mircea_popescu no. [15:00]
mircea_popescu also it's MPEx. [15:00]
Apocalyptic azoo, you're mixing 2 things up, there's no mpoex but mpex and mpoe [15:00]
mircea_popescu but to give you a proper sense of proportion : when s.dice delisted from mpex, it was actually announced it got sold off, rather than lie about it a la havelock. and then mpex investors got paid on the delisting. [15:01]
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mircea_popescu this was someting a degree of magnitude larger, too. [15:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03099999 = 0.124 BTC [-] [15:01]
azi_ can someone paste the recent chat I got DC'ed [15:02]
mircea_popescu because as far as bitcoin finance is concerned, mpex is now and always was a hefty 90% of it. [15:02]
mircea_popescu azi_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ [15:02]
azi_ last thing I got was someone saying I am confusing somethig [15:02]
azi_ good [15:02]
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azi_ mircea_popescu: thanks. can you explain what this S.NSA thing is? [15:04]
mircea_popescu it's a company trying to make various gizmos. currently working on a gpg secure usb stick [15:04]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/category/snsa/ << you can read that set [15:04]
ozbot S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [15:04]
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KRS|Gotyawallet Check out this dual chip miner https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355268.20 [15:05]
KRS|Gotyawallet i like S.NSA [15:05]
mircea_popescu "It is possible to do scrypt with a fpga, so that implies asic is possible too." [15:06]
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mircea_popescu kinda funny [15:07]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/665/litecoin-ltc-to-over-1b-market-cap-before/ << lmao srsly ? [15:07]
ozbot BitBet - LiteCoin (LTC) to over $1B market cap before Jan 15 [15:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] [15:08]
mircea_popescu altcoins worth more than most us businesses now ? [15:08]
Apocalyptic coblee must be in heaven [15:08]
mircea_popescu defo. he premined a lot ? [15:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15083 @ 0.00090484 = 13.6477 BTC [+] {2} [15:09]
Duffer1 696m that's impressive [15:09]
Apocalyptic ~10% [15:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I believe the reading from this spring was he an Artforz were GPU mining on launch, so not pre-mining but something similar. [15:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i know, i know. just pushing teh button a little :) [15:09]
KRS|Gotyawallet yes i think asic is possible too [15:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12517 @ 0.00090574 = 11.3371 BTC [+] [15:10]
KRS|Gotyawallet not sure if they would have to use a jit translation before prossessing or not though [15:10]
BingoBoingo I'm just impressed how quickly people for got it. Like people forgot SolidCoin was a thing RealSolid did. Or that Vircurex was "hacked" twice and now wants to pay interest on deposits... [15:11]
mircea_popescu asic is not efficient, not really, cause you'll need to add memory bus and a bunch of clocking and so on [15:11]
mircea_popescu fpga + ram much better solution [15:11]
mircea_popescu unless you own a foundry, anyway. [15:11]
Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, that amazes me as well [15:11]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's not that anyone forgot. it's that nobody of the idiots going for such things makes it long enough [15:11]
mircea_popescu so it's always new people falling for the scams. [15:11]
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Duffer1 and foreigners [15:12]
KRS|Gotyawallet heres another lawl https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1397.0 [15:12]
BingoBoingo I'm actually amazed by how often I'll run into people on lesser channels who have been trying to make milk come out of faucets for months then emerge after having done no reading for a year to ask "Why do faucets pay less?" [15:13]
KRS|Gotyawallet Here's the part that gets me: The proof-of-work would be switched to the signature of our private key and we would set up a server to produce one block every 2 minutes. [15:13]
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mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet where's that ? [15:14]
KRS|Gotyawallet i pasted the linke ^^ [15:14]
mircea_popescu lol bitsharestalk ? srsly ? [15:14]
KRS|Gotyawallet reading the rags [15:14]
mircea_popescu lmao. fucktard. [15:15]
mircea_popescu "1) Mining based upon resource consumption results in centralization." [15:15]
mircea_popescu noob puts on pope hat, makes blood-curdingly stupid general statement with all the authority of stupidity. [15:15]
mircea_popescu anyway, to get back to the prev point, the way it usually works is like this : muppet (usually young, ambitious, socially marginal character) finds out about bitcoin. [15:16]
Duffer1 ha [15:16]
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mircea_popescu within a day he's bouight some, and spends the next few days not sleeping enough and reading bullshit sources a la reddit. [15:16]
mircea_popescu within a week he's put most of his available cash into it, and is getting to a manic phase [15:16]
mircea_popescu consider : http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/#c2087 [15:17]
mircea_popescu so by now he's ripe for the plunder. makes some "investments" on the power of social proof, gets raped, gets depressed and gets to hear from all the (few) people in his life about how he failed again [15:17]
mircea_popescu after all, he ain't socially marginal for nothing, he's socially marginal because he has mental habits that don't promote success. [15:18]
mircea_popescu and that's all, it took three weeks. next month, new guy hears about bitcoin. [15:18]
BingoBoingo Lol, Maybe someone ought to sell Lithium Soda for BTC [15:18]
mircea_popescu except he wouldn't take it. [15:18]
mircea_popescu mpoe-pr sells lithium soda. our noob is more likely to ignore her. [15:19]
Duffer1 and they don't even know you're actually trying to help them by paying her to do it [15:21]
mircea_popescu well some figure it out eventually. [15:21]
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mircea_popescu upon rereading, KRS|Gotyawallet you realise "lmao fucktard" didn't mean you but the quoted kid. [15:25]
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KRS|Gotyawallet yeh [15:30]
mircea_popescu internets be misinterpretable i tell ya. [15:30]
mircea_popescu so, pre-announcement : [15:30]
mircea_popescu mpoe-pr just completed a 3 month long project of going through the forum and picking out the places where she called out a scam, people called her fud and then it turned out she was right. [15:31]
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mircea_popescu it's like a mile long, and i;ll be publishing it soon. [15:31]
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KRS|Gotyawallet People are going to continue to get hurt here. [15:31]
Apocalyptic heh, nice [15:31]
mircea_popescu so prepare a large mug of coffee, set your poppers to poppin' corn etc. [15:31]
Duffer1 i hope you inlude that xxxprofit guy lol man.. what balls [15:32]
KRS|Gotyawallet This is just the beginning it seems..and i thought the offerings were maturing, we're turning the dial back to flat out retarded. [15:32]
azoo who are you guys talking about [15:32]
azoo looks like a nice success story :) [15:32]
Duffer1 pretty much everyone azoo hehe [15:32]
KRS|Gotyawallet Yep. Duffer1- a Zoo [15:32]
Duffer1 are there any instances where she was wrong? [15:34]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 not really. [15:35]
mircea_popescu she never called mpex stuff a scam, and that's everyone. [15:35]
Duffer1 that's actually really depressing [15:35]
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azoo mircea_popescu: how does one actually buy shares on your site? [15:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00090574 = 3.5777 BTC [+] [15:56]
mircea_popescu dja read the faq ? [15:56]
truffles its a tarp [16:01]
azoo yeah i've already went to read the FAQ once [16:01]
azoo but it looked weird [16:01]
mircea_popescu well see, the idea is that people to whom it looks weird don't get to buy. [16:02]
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azoo looked weird = as watching fear and loathing in las vegas :) [16:02]
mircea_popescu ha [16:03]
Duffer1 azoo try coinbr [16:04]
pigeons yeah mermaids aren't weird [16:05]
mircea_popescu well... they float, they got tits... [16:05]
mircea_popescu seems oddly apt as a symbol for finance. [16:05]
pigeons should make an exact mpex clone with no new functionality just charge 5% to view it in a bootstrap template [16:07]
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azoo forget about shares.. i'll just become a MPEx affiliate http://mpex.co/faq.html#13 [16:10]
azoo earning 5BC in a simple as pie fashion :) [16:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20561 @ 0.00090661 = 18.6408 BTC [+] {2} [16:16]
mircea_popescu people have been known to do that. [16:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00090681 = 18.4989 BTC [+] [16:19]
azoo i think i fall into your category of idiots as i am still wondering if the 30BTC fee is a joke, troll, serious requirement or all of the tree [16:19]
azoo three* [16:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.24155555 = 2.174 BTC [-] {6} [16:26]
kakobrekla https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1511473_662172583834072_2104522041_n.jpg [16:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10188 @ 0.00090814 = 9.2521 BTC [+] {2} [16:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00090821 = 4.2686 BTC [+] [16:31]
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azoo zivijo kakobrekla [16:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1477 @ 0.001 = 1.477 BTC [16:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2} [16:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30673 @ 0.00090425 = 27.7361 BTC [-] {3} [16:44]
kakobrekla zivjo azoo [16:44]
kakobrekla kaj bo dobrega :) [16:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [16:45]
azoo hm.. kakobreku... [16:45]
kakobrekla :p [16:46]
mircea_popescu azoo you familiar with the concept of "qualiified investor" ? [16:52]
azoo mircea_popescu: yes i've read about that sutff just now and it makes more sense [16:54]
mircea_popescu aite. [16:54]
azoo tho its quite pricy now that BC rised so much [16:54]
mircea_popescu it's still 30 btc. [16:54]
azoo yes [16:54]
azoo this is what i like about the site [16:54]
azoo but its a pain in the as as well as you also can understand I suppose [16:54]
mircea_popescu yup. [16:54]
mircea_popescu qualified investor. technologically and financially. [16:55]
azoo or qualified by luck [16:55]
azoo which is life I suppose :-) [16:55]
mircea_popescu luck always plays a part, in everythi8ng worth doing [16:56]
mircea_popescu but you're right, if you were here march-april 2012 you could have had one for free [16:56]
mircea_popescu some people did. [16:56]
mircea_popescu strangely enough, they all also knew one of python/perl/bash, had gpg sigs and are now rich. [16:56]
mircea_popescu so what i mean is... they still meet the quals, in spite of so much changing in the interim [16:57]
mircea_popescu funny how that works. [16:57]
azoo yeah I mean the site itself would drive off anyone not fammiliar with this stuff [16:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [16:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.05 = 5 BTC [16:57]
mircea_popescu well... they're all rich except kako. he just drives very expensive cars. [16:59]
kakobrekla lmao FU :D [16:59]
mircea_popescu hehe [17:00]
azoo btw when u talk about richeness you're again relating it to $$ [17:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22385 @ 0.00090199 = 20.191 BTC [-] {2} [17:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00090105 = 1.9373 BTC [-] [17:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.002825 = 0.565 BTC [+] [17:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00049998 = 0.5 BTC [+] {3} [17:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00282957 = 0.8489 BTC [+] {3} [17:49]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/#comment-94017 [17:50]
ozbot Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:50]
mircea_popescu check out this schmuck. [17:50]
mircea_popescu since summer with this. [17:50]
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kakobrekla im thinking, XVII + nineteen would prolly stop him [17:51]
mircea_popescu but my point is... so some kid gets out of school in june and wants to become a man over the summer. [17:52]
mircea_popescu some try to get laid, others try to get rich [17:52]
mircea_popescu shouldn't he be back to writing homework by now ? [17:53]
kakobrekla its just spam [17:54]
mircea_popescu nah, it's hand written [17:55]
kakobrekla hand written spam. [17:55]
mircea_popescu yeah. [17:56]
mircea_popescu almost like the hand-run compiler. [17:56]
kakobrekla well, you can hand power a dynamo and use that to power the compiler. [17:57]
kakobrekla just fyi. [17:57]
mircea_popescu ooooor, you could cock-power a dynamo [17:57]
mircea_popescu and use the ooze for coolant too. [17:57]
kakobrekla i dont have that sort of cock. [17:58]
mircea_popescu internet epeen competition. "save the whales, power your compiler". [17:59]
kakobrekla anyway as the workforce gets cheaper i dont see why you wouldnt see hand written spam for a non outofthebox codebase sites [18:00]
kakobrekla even assets suffers spam [18:01]
kakobrekla assbot excluded [18:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20399 @ 0.00090205 = 18.4009 BTC [+] {2} [18:04]
mircea_popescu lol [18:05]
mircea_popescu except trilema is quite out of the box. [18:05]
kakobrekla one more reason you need humans to do it [18:05]
mircea_popescu ya [18:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02281001 = 0.2053 BTC [-] [18:21]
thestringpuller everytime I install litecoin related software it's all Kapersky is all "MALWARE DETECTED, WARNING SOMEONE TRYNNA STEAL YO BITCOINS" [18:29]
thestringpuller Litecoins grestest long-run scam ever to deploy worms to steal btc? [18:30]
thestringpuller ;;bc,stats [18:30]
gribble Current Blocks: 275066 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1125 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 19 hours, 10 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1104677340.74 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.61351 [18:30]
thestringpuller ;;estimate [18:31]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1104677340.74 based on data since last change | 1186210790.64 based on data for last three days [18:31]
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pankkake new litecoin version failed to replace a "Bitcoin" string [18:33]
mircea_popescu ;p; [18:34]
KRS|Gotyawallet http://www.businessinsider.com/why-bitcoin-will-never-be-a-currency--in-two-charts-2013-12 [18:34]
pankkake so that diff bet is pretty much done? :( [18:34]
dexX7 yup, you are screwed [18:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [18:35]
dexX7 ;) [18:35]
pankkake I feel like I have read that article ten times already [18:37]
mircea_popescu pankkake more like 10`000 times. [18:38]
mircea_popescu i see that, what i read is "i am a noob, hear my uninformed convictions and care enough about my worthless persona to set me straight" [18:38]
mircea_popescu as if it makes a difference, srsly. [18:38]
KRS|Gotyawallet pankkake date on that article makes it almost exactly 12 hours old [18:39]
KRS|Gotyawallet there have been others? [18:39]
pankkake that's not what I meant KRS. I specifically saw it was new, but it has nothing new, and the same broken arguments were exposed before [18:40]
pankkake the "prices fell during the depression so prices falling is bad" is so… how do you even logic [18:41]
thestringpuller What Bitcoin really needs is a central bank to stabilize its value. When the demand for Bitcoin goes up, they need to print more to keep it from skyrocketing. That is, they need to decide whether they want Bitcoin to be a Ponzi scheme for techno-libertarians or an actual medium of exchange. [18:41]
thestringpuller Just [18:41]
thestringpuller wow? [18:41]
thestringpuller uh [18:41]
pankkake :D [18:41]
thestringpuller Not even my puppy is that uninformed. [18:42]
thestringpuller Middle schoolers are more informed.... [18:42]
pankkake of course, because they haven't been actively misinformed yet :) [18:42]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: this is less of "i'm a n00b" and more of "i have no idea how economics really work and believe we should just print more money so we can fix our bad debts. Make it rain Ben Bernanke while I suck your dick." [18:43]
mircea_popescu imo that's a noob. [18:44]
thestringpuller lol ignorance == n00b? [18:44]
pankkake there's the humble noob and the entitled noob [18:44]
mircea_popescu isn;'t that the definition ? [18:44]
thestringpuller there's hope for n00bs cause MAY be able to teach them [18:44]
mircea_popescu there's nothing new in this world except for the history you don't know. [18:44]
mircea_popescu pankkake yeah, noobs handle their ignorance differently. but still, how else do you know a noob's a noob ? by their ignorance. [18:45]
KRS|Gotyawallet ignorance != noob..matters are that said noob did not get the memo [18:49]
pankkake so noobs are ignorants that didn't lurk moar [18:50]
KRS|Gotyawallet noobs get the memo then noob on in light of that [18:50]
KRS|Gotyawallet lol pankkake [18:50]
mircea_popescu i guess there's newbs and then there's noobs. [18:50]
pankkake it's not a joke [18:50]
pankkake right [18:50]
KRS|Gotyawallet entertaining conversation..kind of relaxing watching the lemmings isnt it [18:51]
mircea_popescu it is [18:51]
pankkake lurking moar should be taught in school [18:51]
mircea_popescu and im halfway through this fucking thing. [18:51]
mircea_popescu it's 100kb ;/ [18:51]
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sbp "bitcoin entered the world on Jan. 3, 2009, when a shadowy hacker — or team of hackers — working under the name Satoshi Nakamoto released an ingenious string of computer code" — http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/sunday-review/the-bitcoin-ideology.html [18:55]
sbp 2013, the media still hasn't caught up with programming, let alone bitcoin [18:55]
mircea_popescu it won't ever happen. [18:56]
mircea_popescu if they had the mental power to catch up they'd be doing better money than whatever foodstamps "the press" pays. [18:57]
asciilifeform 'the camel has two humps.' [18:57]
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asciilifeform (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/07/separating-programming-sheep-from-non-programming-goats.html for anyone who doesn't remember.) [18:57]
asciilifeform short version: factory-OEM human brain doesn't deal in abstraction. [18:58]
asciilifeform electronic or otherwise. [18:58]
mircea_popescu ayu[ [18:59]
asciilifeform see also 'the cold equations.' (tom godwin, 1954.) [18:59]
mircea_popescu bitcoin actually happens to be a two hump sifter. [18:59]
mircea_popescu i wasn't kidding when i said they're turning into niggers. [18:59]
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mircea_popescu what bitcoin does is it meaningfully sepparates the population, and i see nobody credibly arguing for extending human status past the 2nd bump [18:59]
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asciilifeform it's at least as much of a sifter as abstract algebra. [19:00]
pankkake "most people can't learn to program" is really true. but it goes against the egalitarian ideology "you can do anything" [19:00]
asciilifeform and these sample people think that training circus animals is cruel. [19:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. because abstract algebra does not allocate resources [19:01]
kakobrekla > •8% of students didn't give a damn and left the answers blank. [19:01]
asciilifeform with bitcoin we have sorter and sifter in one. [19:02]
mircea_popescu it went from "indicator light" (algebra) to "execution squad" (bitcoin) [19:02]
mircea_popescu quite different. [19:02]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: the real shocker was that the 'back hump' did not cough up a model of the problem. even a wrong one. [19:02]
mircea_popescu why is this a shiocker ? or in what perspective ? [19:03]
asciilifeform their answers did not sum up to a consistent picture of anything. even a mistaken picture. [19:03]
asciilifeform a shocker for the teacher, not for me in particular [19:03]
mircea_popescu you seen the pictures of spider;s webs made by high spiders ? [19:06]
asciilifeform people who can't (or won't) do arithmetic and turn into the Financially Sad are nothing new [19:07]
mircea_popescu if the box ain't functioning, there's no guarantee you end up with a web. even a not working one. [19:07]
asciilifeform but the study of the underlying pathology is useful. [19:07]
asciilifeform correct. [19:07]
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mircea_popescu pankkake you were saying a few days ago about being disgusted with ppl lauding scams just because they hope they get a little back ? where is it, i want to quote it. [19:25]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3884221#msg3884221 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297530.msg3883958#msg3883958 perhaps… unless it was on irc. I post too much crap [19:27]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings [19:27]
pankkake hmm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3878956#msg3878956 [19:27]
pankkake you've got to see the custom mining hardware forum too, where shareholders shill for their companies that are not shipping [19:29]
nubbins` custom mining sub is brutal [19:29]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358820.0;viewResults you have to wonder, who are those 7 guys? [19:30]
ozbot [VMC] Poll: Have you Received Shipping Notification? [19:30]
mircea_popescu yes it was on irc [19:30]
mircea_popescu i don't rly read the forum [19:30]
mircea_popescu lmao, so anything to avoid an actual delivery bet huh ? we make a fake bitbet out of forum paste & spit, pretend and pray. [19:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [19:32]
nubbins` the bitcoin "community" in general is a cesspool of stupidity and frottage [19:32]
nubbins` custom mining sub: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Geiger-masturbation-mutuelle.jpg [19:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25 = 1.25 BTC [+] [19:41]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/ [19:42]
ozbot MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/ << the paper chorror references has mysteriously disappeared in tjhe meanwhile. [19:43]
* nubbins` pops popcorn [19:44]
nubbins` this will be equal parts comedy and tragedy [19:44]
mircea_popescu instead ? some gargle about inclusiveness. [19:44]
mircea_popescu nubbins` hollywood got nothin' on this. [19:44]
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nubbins` aha, the one guy referred to mp+-pr as "shim" [19:46]
nubbins` great [19:46]
nubbins` ;;ud shim [19:47]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shim | 2. shim. (n)-A person of anonymous or unconfirmed gender. Usually only applicable to people met online. Are you still going out with that shim? mark as favorite ... [19:47]
thestringpuller ;;seen jurov [19:47]
gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: SPREADSHEET KILLS [19:47]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: shim [19:47]
nubbins` wow, guy wrote bearshare? [19:47]
nubbins` i remember that [19:48]
pankkake mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2013#411741 that might be it, if you're willing to read the whole day I guess [19:49]
pankkake of emo pankkake [19:49]
mircea_popescu lol [19:50]
mircea_popescu nah it was a coupla days before that i think [19:50]
pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2013#411520 [19:50]
mircea_popescu when it first dawned on you that [19:50]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [19:50]
pankkake yeah that's the one [19:50]
mircea_popescu yup [19:50]
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mircea_popescu edited. [19:52]
pankkake but then you have to ask yourself why would anyone sane still use bitcoin [19:55]
thestringpuller people still use bearshare? [19:59]
mircea_popescu doesn't seem likely. [19:59]
pankkake what is it, a program for hairy gay swingers? [20:00]
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mircea_popescu haha [20:01]
thestringpuller what is the recipe in romania? [20:05]
thestringpuller in LA it is women weed and weather [20:05]
mircea_popescu i think it varies. [20:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.00220102 = 0.328 BTC [-] {3} [20:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.eis.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf loads fine [20:17]
asciilifeform and, afaik, bearshare is dead, but the (DHT-based) 'edonkey' is still up and running, and stuffed full of high-quality rarities [20:18]
asciilifeform (scanned russian maths books, etc) [20:18]
pankkake edonkey network still has some active communities and good stuff. actually it was the only one of those with actual communities [20:19]
asciilifeform if 'bittorrent' is your neighbourhood dope pusher, 'edonkey' is alex shulgin's basement lab. [20:20]
pankkake that's not really true anymore. public bittorrent yes, but private communities are thriving [20:21]
pankkake and then there's the odd soulseek, still up while having some heavy centralization [20:22]
asciilifeform pankkake: are you a member of any that have 1970s soviet trinary mainframe manuals, rather than peculiar and rare fetish porn? [20:22]
asciilifeform (nothing against the latter, but the former is more what i had in mind) [20:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42637 @ 0.00090097 = 38.4147 BTC [+] {2} [20:23]
asciilifeform ed is still, afaik, the only place where you will find some of the more interesting and factual (older) 'paladin press' works. [20:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah yea. meant the earlier link [20:24]
pankkake there was a community named "horseporn junction" that I was not part of, but it might be a hoax [20:25]
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mircea_popescu would horses lie ? [20:26]
pankkake but you can find some good stuff elsewhere [20:26]
mircea_popescu "The interpretation of the results of the above assignment test make me feel angry. I am not a teacher but I am confident that I can teach (in less than 15 minutes) any person smart enough to be admitted to a computer science class how to pass the above test. The results speak volumes about the utter ignorance of educators regarding the nature of human knowledge and how to acquire it. It is a tremendous act of injustic [20:27]
mircea_popescu e to blame the students and not the teachers. Now if a student is *unwilling* to learn the material then that is another question. [20:27]
mircea_popescu But to blame the poor education methods on students willing to acquire the knowledge is just ridiculous. [20:27]
mircea_popescu check out this guy. he's a teacher who feels able to help people fake the test, [20:27]
mircea_popescu and he imagines this means the conclusions of the test only show how desperately the world needs more teachers. [20:27]
mircea_popescu i suppose this is the original font of bureaucracy. [20:28]
asciilifeform alan kay (smalltalk), the original 'i'll teach even monkeys to program' fellow, persists in this delusion. [20:29]
mircea_popescu it's not so different from the conviction one can patent medicine, [20:30]
mircea_popescu which in the end boils right back into the old trunk of crafting the perpetuum mobile. [20:30]
asciilifeform maybe these folks will relent once they understand that even literacy cannot be taught to everyone. [20:30]
mircea_popescu these folks will never relent. [20:31]
mircea_popescu inasmuch their problem is a relation to the self rather than to the world, the only way to have them relent is to change them [20:31]
mircea_popescu either back into anorganic matter, or else chinese re-education or w/e. [20:32]
asciilifeform or just let them go broke, and they can join the crackpots who spend their lives teaching dolphins sign language. [20:32]
mircea_popescu same thing. [20:33]
mircea_popescu incidentally, there is a good objection there : the example given seems very tilted toward people with experience in a C-like language. [20:33]
mircea_popescu "otherwise you need to use the 'code-cracking' part of your brain to try and infer a meaning from an unknown syntax." [20:34]
mircea_popescu as all cognitive tests, the one proposed measures more the bias of the tester than the subject. [20:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00090414 = 3.2549 BTC [+] [20:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, do you know the story of the kid who wouldn't pass physics exam ? [20:34]
asciilifeform let somebody give the same test with (kindergarten level) electric circuits. [20:34]
asciilifeform ? [20:34]
mircea_popescu lemme see if i find this [20:35]
pankkake asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/MR5c0dB.png ? [20:35]
mircea_popescu http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/barometer.asp [20:36]
asciilifeform pankkake: 1 or 2 of these are interesting, in the sense of 'what not to do' [20:36]
asciilifeform the barometer example is just one of a poorly-specified problem [20:37]
asciilifeform that is, one ought to ask 'you are alone in the desert, even the shirt on your back has worn to tatters, you encounter the obelisk of ozymandias, quite tall, and wish to measure its height before you die of thirst, with nothing but your remaining barometer.' [20:38]
mircea_popescu you are wrong to imagine this problem can be solved by specification. [20:39]
mircea_popescu this is the exact equivalent of the "poorly specified bitbet bet" fallacy. [20:39]
asciilifeform any kid who can still wiggle out from under the conditions with finesse should be marked passing. [20:39]
mircea_popescu natural language does not allow specification, and most fields of interest for humans do not allow formal language. [20:39]
mircea_popescu so you've just moved the goalposts. [20:39]
mircea_popescu consider http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/choice.asp [20:39]
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asciilifeform programmer's wife: 'do you want pizza or chinese for dinner?' programmer: 'yes.' [20:40]
mircea_popescu hehe [20:40]
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KRS|Gotyawallet This hw offering is from China, land of the asics. It must not be a scam. I heard the chips grow in the wild there. It must be wonderful. http://www.cybtc.com/thread-3396-1-1.html [20:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00090414 = 25.6776 BTC [+] [20:45]
mircea_popescu lol [20:45]
asciilifeform re: asics: anyone crazy enough to build a discrete-TTL logic miner yet? [20:46]
mircea_popescu no. [20:47]
asciilifeform does anyone even remember how to design with ECL circuits nowadays... [20:48]
mircea_popescu possibly. many people involved in mining are from the "old world" [20:48]
mircea_popescu ie, russia, china etc. [20:48]
asciilifeform (you can buy ~50GHz+ ECL gates from mouser, or whoever) [20:48]
KRS|Gotyawallet here is the english translation of the site [20:50]
KRS|Gotyawallet dig that first comment, reserved for a certain team- [20:50]
KRS|Gotyawallet http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&sl=auto&tl=destination_language&u=http://www.cybtc.com/thread-3396-1-1.html [20:50]
mircea_popescu googlish is hardly english [20:52]
KRS|Gotyawallet Its cattle. [20:52]
mircea_popescu Hot Search: pumpkin baked cat butterfly KNC Bitfury Bitmine Avalon TMR [20:53]
mircea_popescu herp :D [20:53]
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KRS|Gotyawallet hah [20:53]
mircea_popescu diginforce is Gridseed total online sales agents, sales are now sold out yesterday, there is no development board conference [20:54]
KRS|Gotyawallet Bigtime Protoshares/Invictus drama brewing. [20:55]
pankkake what stupid thing did they do this time? [20:56]
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mircea_popescu http://www.t3.com/news/the-pirate-bay-changes-domain-to-stay-ahead-of-the-law [21:07]
ozbot The Pirate Bay changes domain to stay ahead of the law | T3 [21:07]
mircea_popescu y no namecoin [21:07]
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Kleeck I like PirateBay. [21:10]
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asciilifeform would anyone care to explain why namecoin, when you can encode name-ipv4 pairs in the conventional blockchain trivially [21:12]
pankkake there is a thepiratebay.bit… but it's domain squatted [21:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00279 = 0.1395 BTC [+] [21:14]
pankkake anyway to access TPB: http://proxybay.info/ [21:14]
KRS|Gotyawallet asciilifeform thats cool man [21:15]
asciilifeform KRS|Gotyawallet: not like it was my idea. has been obvious for ages. [21:15]
asciilifeform store a few bytes as small tx. [21:17]
asciilifeform (or gigantic tx. doesn't matter, since the coin is going in a closed loop.) [21:17]
asciilifeform that is, between your own addrs. [21:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00090854 = 43.6553 BTC [+] {4} [21:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is the first time a dns server has to handle 10gb of cruft to resolve a query. [21:31]
pankkake namecoin features could be added to bitcoin, but the idea was that miners would be against it… well the result is now no one cares [21:34]
pankkake people buy namecoins but have no idea what they are for :| [21:34]
mircea_popescu well inasmuch as they don't really work for that which they are for, arguably it doesn't matter. [21:34]
pankkake it works, but the tools suck or do not exist [21:35]
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mircea_popescu re-read what you just said o.o [21:35]
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pankkake it works in the sense that you can register a name, update it, etc. [21:36]
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pankkake http://explorer.bit/n/42707 pretty cool right? if only there was an application exploiting it! [21:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.24525001 = 0.4905 BTC [-] {2} [21:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.1 = 0.7 BTC [+] [21:38]
mircea_popescu im curious what the pirate bay browser will be like. [21:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dns server already chugs 10+GB of turd: unix. [21:38]
pankkake ugh I guess I should give the non-.bit URL: http://explorer.dot-bit.org/n/42707 [21:39]
mircea_popescu also just made them an offer to sponsor them, curious if they manage to find their way out of the paper bag. [21:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not 10gb tho [21:39]
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pankkake I thought their browser already existed, and that it was a tor bundle fork [21:39]
pankkake http://piratebrowser.com/ [21:40]
mircea_popescu sort-of [21:40]
pankkake projects of alternative roots never went far, too. there was .42 which gave pretty much nothing [21:41]
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mircea_popescu "I want to introduce myself. My name is Michael from Cloudhashing.com, and I have taken over the public relations work there after being one of their customers since August. I will be the only one writing from this account now. " [23:19]
mircea_popescu o.o [23:19]
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Namworld What? [23:22]
mircea_popescu i have no idea dood, it's like complete chaos. [23:25]
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mircea_popescu "hello i am your new waiter after eating here for three weeks i am now qualified to make food. the brainwashing is real good, please try it." [23:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.05 = 2.4 BTC [23:29]
pankkake can something with "cloud" in its name not be a scam? [23:35]
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pankkake ;;estimate [23:43]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1099731120.92 based on data since last change | 1191737820.33 based on data for last three days [23:43]
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dub ;;bc,stats [23:53]
gribble Current Blocks: 275103 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1088 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1100272777.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.12861 [23:53]
dub ;;nethash [23:53]
gribble 8524940.56545 [23:53]
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