Forum logs for 14 Oct 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
dub in the real world [00:00]
mircea_popescu yes in the real world. [00:00]
dub praps we should all move to romania [00:00]
mircea_popescu you certainly should all move out of the us, if there's no more 5th. [00:01]
dub in most places that exist, afaik a judge can require something be opened for inspection [00:03]
mircea_popescu they can require it all they want. [00:04]
mircea_popescu they'll have to require it of their own agents. [00:04]
dub its the old $5 spanner deal though [00:04]
jurov i wish i could share mircea's ideas about actual lawfulness of the law enformcement around here [00:04]
dub you can refuse, and enjoy prison until your mind changes [00:04]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:05]
mircea_popescu that'd be a sight, criminal contempt ordered in a criminal proceeding against the defendant who pleaded the 5th. [00:05]
mircea_popescu this i wish to see. [00:05]
dub whats the 5th [00:05]
mircea_popescu ;;google 5th amendment [00:06]
gribble Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the ...: ; Fifth Amendment | LII / Legal Information Institute: ; Fifth Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute: (1 more message) [00:06]
dub I know what it is, its a completely retarded law that only america has [00:06]
mircea_popescu in other news, i am currently eating taliban cookies, i wish it entered into the permanent record. [00:06]
dub what relevance does it have outside retardsville [00:06]
mircea_popescu ;;google maamoul [00:06]
gribble Ma'amoul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Maamoul: Stuffed Date-Orange Cookies Recipe : Food Network ...: ; Maamoul – Recipes from a Traditional Lebanese Easter- The Food ...: [00:06]
mircea_popescu dub : praps we should all move to romania you certainly should all move out of the us, if there's no more 5th. [00:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5855 @ 0.00084917 = 4.9719 BTC [+] {2} [00:09]
dub ok so the thing that only applies to people who have already given up any freedom or right to privacy [00:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 300 @ 0.0012 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2} [00:10]
dub important distinction [00:10]
mircea_popescu wait what ? [00:11]
dub fyi, you don't need to even enter the US legally (transit) to be required by them to unlock and decrypt anything you are carrying [00:12]
dub phones, computers, storage etc [00:13]
Apocalyptic dafuq [00:13]
dub let alone the willingness to rendite or simply drone strike in any corner of the planet [00:14]
mircea_popescu herp. [00:14]
mircea_popescu generally speaking, people can require anythning they feel like. the internet is full of derps requiring shit. [00:15]
mircea_popescu i get tons of emails requiring all sorta crap all day long. [00:15]
mircea_popescu etc. [00:15]
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dub the difference isthe size of their stick [00:17]
mircea_popescu dude get out. what stick ? [00:17]
mircea_popescu what are they gonna do, punish you by paying for your three meals a day ? [00:18]
dub lol [00:19]
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dub rather than expose my secrets for the fear of incarceration I'll just remain incarcerated, makes perfect sense [00:21]
mircea_popescu do anything rather than play nice with idiots. [00:21]
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dub fortunately for the idiots a large percentage of people !mircea_popescu have low tolerance for the stick they wield [00:23]
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mircea_popescu a well. [00:23]
dub sadly one of the security paradigms nobody seems to understand is that it must actually work [00:24]
mircea_popescu must actually work != satisfy inept preconceived notions. [00:25]
mircea_popescu there's never going to be security that "actually works" in the sense of bringing you santa back. [00:26]
dub sorry but you're the one talking in fairy tales [00:27]
mircea_popescu so i suppose we leave it at that. [00:28]
dub magical kingdoms where the libertarian ideal is upheld [00:28]
jurov pffft not even libertarian ideals.. rule of law. [00:28]
dub 'rule of law' is a libertard dream [00:28]
dub there has been no such thing for quite some time now [00:29]
mircea_popescu i suppose the courts look a lot different if you regard them from the priviledged end than from the business end. [00:30]
jurov ^let this be put into public record. [00:32]
dub I suppose its easy to be optimistic [00:34]
dub good luck for then you actually need to test it [00:36]
dub when* [00:36]
mircea_popescu dub you know, i'm probably the only one here with actual experience at successfully suing governments. what's easy is to elevate one's not particularly relevant experience to some sort of end-all story of the world. [00:36]
dub yeah well theres governments and theres governments [00:36]
mircea_popescu nevertheless. [00:37]
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dexX7 now that this is out - for what did you sue them? [00:39]
mircea_popescu most notably we had a dispute as to whether a foreign worker's qualifications are to be evaluated by its employer or the bureaucrats. [00:41]
dub evaluated? [00:42]
mircea_popescu yeah, something like, "I want to hire X guy, give him a work permit". "we won't, because X guy could be replaced by local labor" "stfu" [00:42]
dub ah [00:43]
* dub wants to know who the bureacrats 'evaluate' the type of skills mircea_popescu imports [00:44]
mircea_popescu well their idea is something like... oh computer programming ? sure, we got this guy, he took a six months java course. [00:44]
mircea_popescu computers, pizza ovens, trucks, what's the big difference. [00:45]
dub I was thinking more 'Yes that is a fantastic ass, we have nothing of that calibre locally, work visa granted' [00:45]
mircea_popescu i never had trouble importing ass. that's easy to explain. [00:46]
mircea_popescu anyway. i ended up getting a court order so extensive they ended up having to a) issue me a special made document, as in, without expiration date and b) modify their regulations. [00:47]
mircea_popescu and since that particular crew is petrified of crazy mp. [00:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 158 @ 0.0012 = 0.1896 BTC [+] [00:52]
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chsados are the bitches in romania sexy? [01:00]
mircea_popescu ;;google gradina edenului nsfw [01:02]
gribble Olariu Ionela | Facebook: ; Radu Dumitru Daniel | Facebook: [01:02]
mircea_popescu whoa. [01:02]
dub fwiw I have been before the courts as more than defendant :) [01:02]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ [01:02]
ozbot NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:02]
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kakobrekla so, the most read article of all trilema is trilema premium? [01:06]
mircea_popescu actually the most read article is "cum se suge pula", a cocksucking guide. [01:07]
kakobrekla mebbe you should do it in english too [01:07]
mircea_popescu yeh one of these days. [01:08]
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fractal massive $150 breakout happning. huge volume on gox. going to hit $200 this month. [01:15]
kakobrekla ;;ticker [01:15]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 146.15000, Best ask: 147.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 146.15000, 24 hour volume: 14320.08849133, 24 hour low: 141.28508, 24 hour high: 147.00000, 24 hour vwap: 144.48451 [01:15]
kakobrekla i dont mind [01:15]
mircea_popescu so that's why i was selling calls yest [01:16]
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fractal selling calls? you will get CRUSHED.... we're heading to $250 by dec [01:16]
zoinky quite a wild prediction fractal [01:16]
kakobrekla fractal you should put some money on some bbet [01:16]
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fractal its guaranteed -- SR is out of the picture now -- china volume just overtook all USD volume.... massive buying coming in [01:17]
fractal wheres the BBET bet? i'll put down 100 BTC now... [01:17]
mircea_popescu fractal i don't have a choice, im passive in the matter. [01:17]
mircea_popescu Oct 11 21:39:07 [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C131T] 685 @ 0.32277052 = 221.0978 BTC [-] [01:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00084985 = 1.9547 BTC [+] [01:17]
zoinky 100 btc on $250 by dec? [01:17]
fractal all the idiots saying that bitcoin only has value because of SR --- i've been saying its not true for 2 years... now i am vindicated. i will be proven right again as we hit $250 this year once more [01:18]
carly_ can you name a site where you can play against each other different games for bitcoins? I dont mean a casino or gambling site. Just playing against each other in different pc games [01:18]
zoinky yeah the people in this channel are always saying SR is all bitcoin's value... [01:18]
kakobrekla well there isnt one of 250 but you have a 200 bet [01:18]
mircea_popescu fractal 2 years ? wut ? lol [01:18]
kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/529/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-200-before-the/ [01:18]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $200 before the end of 2013 [01:18]
zoinky which exchange is that bet for [01:19]
fractal kako: wow. thats EASY MONEY! [01:20]
fractal i'm getting on that shit right now. free BTC. [01:20]
kakobrekla zoinky, mtgox, its in the link [01:20]
fractal lolz. what n00bz betting NO... idiots [01:20]
turbo_ac100 o_O I just noticed http://bitbet.us/bet/555/difficulty-to-continue-increasing-by-over-20/ is ambiguous. "Each BTC network difficulty change as reported by gribble before the end of January 2014 will be an increase of more than 20% over the last. " [01:21]
mircea_popescu mtgox should be easier, they';ve always been higher. [01:21]
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mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 what's the ambiguity ? [01:21]
fractal 10BTC pays out 14 -- 40% , but 100BTC pays out 104 -- 4% . lol [01:21]
zoinky kakobrekla, i did a search for mtgox on the page and all i see is for another bet [01:22]
fractal and i have to wait 10 weeks.... i'm better off buying futures at ICBIT.se instead of making that gamble at BitBet!! [01:22]
mircea_popescu lol mkay. glwt. [01:22]
turbo_ac100 "the last" doesn't refer to the last increase, i.e. 20% -> 24 % and so on but rather "the last" difficulty as in ;;diffchange will be > 20% [01:22]
kakobrekla and 1 btc pays 2 btc [01:22]
jurov fractal: you can buy the same calls on mpex [01:23]
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fractal jurov: MPEX? you mean that useless site with ZERO volume because MP refuses to let new users join without paying 40BTC??? idiotic. [01:23]
mircea_popescu each [...] over the last. [01:23]
mircea_popescu seems fine. [01:23]
fractal no offence MP... [01:23]
mircea_popescu you are aware that the only people actually trading the exchange rate traded it there, yest. [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00085465 = 5.0424 BTC [+] {2} [01:23]
fractal but you'd make more money with no signup fees [01:24]
mircea_popescu for all your talk of doing w/e on random bucket shops. [01:24]
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jurov fractal: there's a broker, you are kicking into open doors [01:24]
fractal ICBIT.se is legitimate and been up for 2 years, works great... and they're doing a lot of volume these days.... you'll eventually be surpassed unless you drop signup fees [01:24]
turbo_ac100 mircea_popescu, so it's diffchange 20%, next diffchange will have to be 20%*1.2=24% and so on, right? [01:24]
mircea_popescu dude, you've been saying whatever for two years, get out. link or gtfo. [01:25]
fractal jurov: broker == default risk [01:25]
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jurov what? you think coinbr is short and naked? [01:25]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 the diffs must follow the curve x, 1.2x, 1.44x, 1.728x etc [01:25]
jurov ;;calc 20*1.2 [01:25]
gribble 24 [01:25]
jurov ;;calc 20*1.2*1.2 [01:26]
gribble 28.8 [01:26]
jurov etc [01:26]
fractal [Oct 1 2012 01:52] hey guys, I think 2013 is the year of bitcoin, we'll probably hit $100, maybe $250. [01:26]
fractal ^^ real logs [01:26]
mircea_popescu so two years in the oct 1 - oct 13 interval ? [01:26]
turbo_ac100 meh. stupid bet... gonna have to cancel that... [01:26]
arij bitfunder, havelock, mpex, cryptostocks.. did i miss any [01:27]
kakobrekla well [01:27]
fractal MP, the fact that 1 year wasn't 2 years is just a trivial detail [01:27]
kakobrekla if you list cryptostocks you missed another 3 or so [01:27]
arij ? [01:27]
fractal point is, i'm a genius.... we'll hit $250 by december [01:27]
fractal for sure [01:27]
arij thats all i got.. what are the others? [01:28]
kakobrekla theres like pico stocks and something 123.com chinese thingy or something and therock exchange [01:28]
kakobrekla maybe more [01:28]
arij ah pico [01:28]
arij thats right [01:28]
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mircea_popescu ;;google "hey guys, I think 2013 is the year of bitcoin, we'll probably hit $100, maybe $250" [01:28]
gribble Bitcoin Hits New Record, Crosses $250 | Zero Hedge: ; Hi. I am from the future. Thanks Bitcoin! : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; Bitcoin Exchange Scam – Bitcoins Are Now Worthless | NERDr.com: [01:28]
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mircea_popescu herp. [01:28]
fractal http://imgur.com/jgwRMJo -- this is why $250 is guaranteed before the end of the year -- all hail CHINA!! [01:29]
mircea_popescu wasn;'t there some cheapo clone of mpex at some point ? [01:29]
ozbot China will be leading the next run up... - Imgur [01:29]
mircea_popescu like, same css glory and everything ? some dood on the forum made it cause he was insulted by mpoe-pr [01:29]
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fractal what channel is most appropriate for trading? [01:30]
mircea_popescu in your case, probably #labcoin. [01:31]
fractal whats labcoin? sounds like a scam [01:31]
turbo_ac100 ^^ [01:31]
mircea_popescu well... genius ppl congregate there. [01:31]
fractal i'm such a genius that I can tell scams just by the name of the company [01:31]
fractal #bitcoin-geniuses [01:32]
mircea_popescu totally. [01:32]
fractal i'm ops in #bitcoin-geniuses. [01:32]
dexX7 http://imgur.com/jgwRMJo this reddit picture is so stupid.. just link to some useful statistics pls [01:32]
ozbot China will be leading the next run up... - Imgur [01:32]
fractal dexx7: bitcoincharts.com 24 hr [01:33]
dexX7 yes, for example [01:33]
zoinky the poster put up a spreadsheet of all the data [01:33]
mircea_popescu yes yes, chinese ppl are buying bitcoin. [01:34]
mircea_popescu http://paulgraham.com/taste.html [01:36]
ozbot Taste for Makers [01:36]
dexX7 http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ garden party at popescu's? [01:37]
ozbot NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:38]
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mircea_popescu selling the girls downriver. [01:39]
dexX7 lol [01:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00084799 = 4.9183 BTC [-] {3} [01:56]
fractal difficulty 250,000,000 next jump? i told eveyrone this would happen. so many idiots buying mining eqiupment and losing money..... fuck. im so smart. honestly... fuck. [01:58]
jurov ;;bc,stats [01:59]
gribble Current Blocks: 263445 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 650 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 244476073.369 | Estimated Percent Change: 29.16022 [01:59]
jurov fractal so what? [02:00]
fractal so, nobody listened to me and lost money.... now I will charge for my consulting services since my track record is perfect [02:01]
mircea_popescu you're a loony. [02:02]
fractal 10BTC for 1 month of advice.... correspondance by mail only [02:02]
fractal 100BTC for phone number... msg me [02:02]
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jurov fractal: i'll pay you even 100btc... but only after it turns out correctly [02:03]
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fractal jurov, no problem. what do you want to know? [02:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.05032501 = 0.2013 BTC [-] {2} [02:04]
jurov nm that was rather dumb idea [02:04]
fractal Avalon batch 2's going for $3K on ebay... pretty funny, they were $30,000 a few months ago. [02:04]
fractal avalon's will mine 10 BTC max going forward http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=189281249.28103&dcosts=500&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=80000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=131.40&dpowcon=30&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.25&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=0&action=calc [02:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.05030001 = 0.1006 BTC [-] [02:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00731162 = 0.6727 BTC [-] {4} [02:05]
fractal so , they're worth $1,500 or less.... i'll pay $500 for them. msg me [02:05]
mircea_popescu jurov lol [02:06]
fractal man, those poor bastards who haven't got their BFL singles yet... [02:06]
fractal meanwhile LTC mining holding up for now,,, but dropping slowly to zero [02:07]
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thestringpuller what is this btc-china? [02:12]
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dub this is btc-spaaarta [02:23]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller some chinese based exchange. [02:27]
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thestringpuller The greatest heist in the world: "Stealing Chinese gold from an American depository." [02:30]
kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310320.0 [02:33]
ozbot [ANN] UK Bitcoin Exchange [02:33]
kakobrekla broken as fuck. [02:34]
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mircea_popescu they're incorporated in a residential area ?! [02:36]
fractal china is now more important then usa when it comes to bitcoin [02:36]
fractal majority of volume is now on chineese exchanges [02:36]
mircea_popescu fractal yes yes. you could have read all about it on trilema a while back. you genius you. [02:37]
dub * is more important than murica outside storing homeless bitcoin developers [02:37]
mircea_popescu incorporated in feb, guy made acct in march, name changed in august [02:39]
mircea_popescu statement of capital shows jack shit and the prices there are in the 50k range, to own. they rent. [02:39]
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fractal MP , do you claim your geniuseness exceeds mine?? that is quite the claim. [02:50]
fractal bitcoin $250 this year. i'll be back dec 31 to confirm. [02:50]
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kakobrekla place 100btc and you dont have to come back [02:51]
kakobrekla bet [02:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 125 @ 0.00702865 = 0.8786 BTC [-] {8} [02:51]
zoinky lol [02:51]
mircea_popescu i hope this one has better sauna security. [02:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.76000068 BTC [-] [03:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.05020666 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {3} [03:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 8 @ 0.0502 = 0.4016 BTC [-] [03:06]
turbo_ac100 is there a fancy visualisation of address dependencies? Blockchain explorer with added graphics bling? [03:09]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3331940#msg3331940 [03:09]
mircea_popescu epic shit. [03:09]
ozbot [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN] [03:09]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 not afaik. [03:09]
turbo_ac100 IPO... [03:10]
mircea_popescu go for it. [03:10]
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mircea_popescu so are we yet at the realisation that btct may be slightly undercapitalised or not quite ? [03:16]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu did you make a deal with the bitvps guys? [03:20]
thestringpuller vis-a-vis Namworld the Canadian [03:21]
mircea_popescu um not afaik ? [03:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.76000068 BTC [-] [03:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.76000068 BTC [-] [03:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 416 @ 0.0012 = 0.4992 BTC [+] [03:38]
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dub not sure trotting out Bitcoin Oz to belittle is necessary [03:44]
dub might want to suggest she uses a slighty sturdier strawman [03:46]
mircea_popescu what, the guy that was selling glbse stocks is no good ?!?!11? [03:51]
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kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297334.msg3333239#msg3333239 [03:53]
ozbot [SolarWind , A Bitcoin Mining Company] 100TH/s Mining Farm - Official Thread [03:53]
kakobrekla aint that cute [03:53]
kakobrekla a company on a usb stick. [03:53]
dub also the guy outed as having stabbed old ladies to death in a drunken rampage [03:53]
dub haha wtf kakobrekla [03:54]
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mircea_popescu dub and a whole lot moar. [03:55]
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benkay dahahahaha there's a trilema premium!? [04:16]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [13:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69000001 = 1.38 BTC [-] [14:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69000001 BTC [-] [14:06]
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bitesak ;;avg price [14:08]
gribble Error: "avg" is not a valid command. [14:08]
bitesak ;;ticker [14:09]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 152.00576, Best ask: 152.49995, Bid-ask spread: 0.49419, Last trade: 152.00000, 24 hour volume: 31063.95478779, 24 hour low: 143.10000, 24 hour high: 153.69902, 24 hour vwap: 148.48608 [14:09]
bitesak ;;next [14:09]
gribble See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/ [14:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-] [14:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-] [14:13]
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bitesak based on current bids for s.Nsa, based on the 1% minimum, it's a go ! [14:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6825 = 2.73 BTC [-] {2} [14:22]
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dexX7 ;;seen ThickAsThieves [14:39]
gribble ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: dat PMB [14:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.670001 = 1.34 BTC [-] [14:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 945 @ 0.00084948 = 0.8028 BTC [-] [14:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.66202 = 1.9861 BTC [-] [14:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.662 BTC [-] [14:44]
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mircea_popescu bitesak yeah [14:48]
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dexX7 what is s.nsa anyway? i have a vague impression, but that's solely based on the description of that gpg-token [14:53]
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bitesak http://trilema.com/snsa-first-product-the-cardano did you read that already? [14:57]
ozbot S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [14:57]
dexX7 > based on the description of that gpg-token [14:58]
dexX7 yup, i did [14:58]
dexX7 and i saw the contract on mpex [14:58]
dexX7 i was just wondering, if there is a document somewhere with more details :) [14:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share [15:00]
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bitesak I am all for more understanding, I guess you can list your questions if any? [15:01]
dexX7 i have no specific question at the moment [15:02]
bitesak i see it as the first physical product made through and thanks to bitcoin, other than Bitcoin coins and Tshirt branded stuff I guess. [15:05]
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dexX7 are you an investor or "involved"? [15:07]
bitesak nope, I am considering it though and interested in purchasing a few for christmas :) [15:09]
dexX7 ah i see.. yes, the gpg-token sounds like a really neat object [15:10]
gecko_x2 this is interesting [15:10]
gecko_x2 is it MP's own design? [15:10]
bitesak I'll probably start with one, test it and do my best to understand it and use it as a means to promote use of GPG among friends and girlfriends [15:10]
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mircea_popescu bitesak well, miners are more ocmplex products [15:14]
mircea_popescu gecko_x2 not in any significant degree. asciilifeform is the tech there. [15:14]
bitesak mircea_popescu, I wanted to refer to Casascius Bitcoins for the coins [15:15]
mircea_popescu a [15:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66200001 = 1.324 BTC [+] [15:17]
gecko_x2 mp, ok thx [15:18]
gecko_x2 yea GPG key management was always the issue [15:18]
gecko_x2 i remember playing with centralized key servers back in the days [15:18]
gecko_x2 there's just no way a normal joe sixpack can do that [15:19]
gecko_x2 irl [15:19]
gecko_x2 anyways [15:19]
gecko_x2 i don't even think gpg keys are the future [15:19]
gecko_x2 there is one thing that hasn't been mentioned at all after the snowden case [15:20]
gecko_x2 one thing that the NSA is totally defenceless against [15:20]
gecko_x2 currently only used in online banking [15:20]
gecko_x2 and that's OTP [15:21]
gecko_x2 that's the way messages was delivered during WW2 [15:21]
gecko_x2 and it fucking works [15:21]
gecko_x2 i think that a single static key as a concept is pretty much dead [15:21]
gecko_x2 except maybe for initially sharing the actual OTP [15:22]
mircea_popescu believe me, it's been mentioned. [15:24]
gecko_x2 not enough [15:24]
mircea_popescu asymmetric keys are a much better solution for poor people, however [15:24]
mircea_popescu because poor people can not afford to move otp keys around safely. [15:24]
gecko_x2 hmm [15:24]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, properly implemented pgp is still uncrackable. [15:25]
gecko_x2 yes [15:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.663 = 1.989 BTC [+] [15:26]
gecko_x2 there is one new concept that the blockchain would make theoretically possible too [15:26]
gecko_x2 time-release encryption [15:27]
mircea_popescu there was a start-up last year to do this [15:27]
mircea_popescu nothing came of it. [15:27]
gecko_x2 the blockchain could be used so that a key to a piece of data would be split into say 100000 pieces [15:28]
gecko_x2 51% of those pieces would be needed to decrypt [15:28]
gecko_x2 anyways [15:30]
gecko_x2 it's a very interesting concept, if you think about encrypting contracts, testimonies, wills etc [15:31]
dexX7 hmm.. but isn't the collection of pointers to the parts more or less similar to passwords or a key? [15:32]
gecko_x2 the incentive not to release the key early would be monetary [15:32]
gecko_x2 let's say you encrypt 'hello world', for 1 month [15:33]
gecko_x2 you have an altcur, called 'timecoin' [15:33]
dexX7 okay [15:33]
gecko_x2 you have say 1 second coins, 1 minute coins and 1 hour coins [15:33]
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gecko_x2 you combine them to make up a month [15:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.663 BTC [+] [15:34]
gecko_x2 ppl have clients where they can trade all these coins [15:35]
dexX7 yup [15:35]
gecko_x2 say there is the amount of one second coins to make up 100 years [15:35]
gecko_x2 same with minutes [15:35]
gecko_x2 same with hours [15:35]
gecko_x2 you encrypt the message, and the keys are freely traded globally [15:36]
gecko_x2 ppl have clients which holds fractional pieces of all time encrypted data [15:36]
gecko_x2 just fractions [15:36]
gecko_x2 the value of the coins can only be released after a message is decrypted at the expected time, no sooner [15:37]
gecko_x2 should 51% of the holders of these anonymous timecoins decide to all release them ahead of time, they would become worthless [15:37]
gecko_x2 something like that [15:37]
gecko_x2 i'm not smart enough to fully figure it out [15:38]
gecko_x2 so you would have on your pc a client software [15:38]
gecko_x2 with a portfolio of time encrypted data [15:38]
gecko_x2 and as the 1 month encrypted data, when it's time to decrypt [15:39]
gecko_x2 the client would automatically do it for you [15:39]
gecko_x2 so you could trade unknown future secrets [15:39]
gecko_x2 the speculation would be rampant [15:39]
dexX7 lol [15:39]
dexX7 i don't think i fully get it [15:40]
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gecko_x2 well [15:40]
gecko_x2 it's hard to explain [15:41]
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gecko_x2 there is an old post about the concept [15:41]
gecko_x2 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248466.0 [15:41]
ozbot Time-release encryption using Bitcoin? [15:41]
gecko_x2 yeah [15:41]
gecko_x2 er [15:41]
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dexX7 ah ty [15:41]
gecko_x2 but this post doesn't mention coins as i'm thinking [15:42]
gecko_x2 i'm thinking you make 3 altcoins [15:42]
gecko_x2 seconds, minutes, hours [15:42]
gecko_x2 to make up for let's say 500 years [15:42]
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gecko_x2 i dunno should there be 500 years combined, or 500 years of each [15:43]
gecko_x2 i'm not smart enough :p [15:43]
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gecko_x2 but each holder would only have a fraction of the future secret [15:44]
gecko_x2 say george soros want to encrypt something to be released 50 years after his death [15:45]
dexX7 is it like.. "when 2030030 second coins are mined, it's xxx date, time"? [15:45]
gecko_x2 fractions of keys to that data would be traded just like altcur's currently [15:45]
gecko_x2 yeah [15:45]
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gecko_x2 combined with the fact that there is no incentive for all the hundreds of thousands of holders of the fractional keys to release them all ahead of time [15:46]
gecko_x2 they might not even know what this or that fractional key is really hiding [15:47]
gecko_x2 until the due date [15:47]
gecko_x2 man the speculation would be awesome [15:47]
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gecko_x2 like 'i have 350 1 second keys holding soros's secret' [15:47]
gecko_x2 and they are trading 2500% above initial value :p [15:48]
dexX7 xD [15:48]
gecko_x2 because ppl think the secret is gonna be worth millions [15:48]
gecko_x2 and ofcourse, once the secret is released, the holders of the keys get to see it first [15:48]
gecko_x2 before the global press etc [15:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.66223078 = 8.609 BTC [-] {3} [16:14]
bitesak ;;ticker [16:17]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 151.00000, Best ask: 151.41001, Bid-ask spread: 0.41001, Last trade: 151.00000, 24 hour volume: 33087.00526892, 24 hour low: 143.10000, 24 hour high: 153.69902, 24 hour vwap: 148.83173 [16:17]
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bitesak !ticker s.mpoe [16:20]
assbot How can I be of assistance, my poor man? [16:20]
bitesak ;;ticker s.mpoe [16:21]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message) [16:21]
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mircea_popescu $vwap s.mpoe [16:28]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00085005 high: 0.0008576 low: 0.00084444 volume: 42500 btc: 36.12705707 7 day: average: 0.00084643 high: 0.00085779 low: 0.00083547 volume: 912159 btc: 772.07450746 30 day: average: 0.00089086 high: 0.00094307 low: 0.0007725 volume: 4521469 btc: 4027.99396016 [16:28]
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bitesak thanks mp, was reading on of your articles on MPOE evaluation and tried the !ticker command [17:01]
bitesak just discovered the The list of discontinued assets on MPEx page ! [17:01]
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mircea_popescu :p [17:05]
mircea_popescu !ticker m s.bbet [17:05]
assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00050025 / 0.0005293 / 0.00059999 (7055 shares, 3.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.00054634 / 0.00059999 (43300 shares, 23.66 BTC) [17:05]
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dexX7 ;;nethash [17:12]
gribble 2217153.74554 [17:12]
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dexX7 ;;diffchange [17:13]
gribble Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 33.36436 % based on data since last change | 63.63379 % based on data for last three days [17:13]
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arij_ that diff [17:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3888 @ 0.0002479 = 0.9638 BTC [-] [17:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.65974999 = 19.7925 BTC [-] {7} [17:25]
ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [17:27]
gribble Current Blocks: 263611 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 484 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 252338232.77 | Estimated Percent Change: 33.31391 [17:27]
dexX7 hey tat, assuming havelock closes it's door to us issuers, too. what would you do then? [17:29]
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ThickAsThieves we have contigency plans in place [17:38]
ThickAsThieves contingency* [17:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.006287 = 0.2452 BTC [-] [17:55]
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dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310282.msg3317569 another "signature based auth/login system" [18:05]
ozbot SQRL: revolutionizes web site login and authentication [18:05]
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frank3 hi guys [18:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.10293331 = 0.3088 BTC [+] {3} [18:15]
ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/14/4836778/canadian-government-we-want-to-unbundle-television-channels [18:20]
ozbot Canadian government: 'We want to unbundle television channels' | The Verge [18:20]
ThickAsThieves canada keep being the anti-US plz [18:20]
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nubbins` canadian government is acting really, really strangely lately [18:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 14052 @ 0.00017036 = 2.3939 BTC [-] {14} [18:42]
nubbins` like, suspiciously consumer-friendly [18:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.006111 = 0.6111 BTC [-] {5} [18:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.65752 = 3.2876 BTC [-] {3} [18:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 148 @ 0.00611005 = 0.9043 BTC [-] {4} [18:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 850 @ 0.00043798 = 0.3723 BTC [+] {4} [20:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00084656 = 6.5185 BTC [-] {2} [20:30]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4eCqcXjlX4 [21:04]
ozbot Au demolat-o - YouTube [21:04]
mircea_popescu romanian expert techniques. [21:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00645 = 1.29 BTC [-] [21:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 5000 @ 0.00116222 = 5.8111 BTC [-] {2} [22:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.71898988 = 2.876 BTC [+] {2} [22:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00679972 = 1.3055 BTC [+] {2} [22:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 122 @ 0.00116151 = 0.1417 BTC [-] [23:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0069999 = 0.182 BTC [+] [23:06]
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kleeck .d [23:12]
ozbot 189281249.28103 | Next Diff in 425 blocks | Estimated Change: 34.1303% in 1d 22h 27m 50s [23:12]
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bob_ ;;24hprc [23:52]
gribble Error: "24hprc" is not a valid command. [23:52]
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bob_ ;;bc,24hprc [23:53]
gribble 142.87 [23:53]
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