Forum logs for 14 Oct 2013
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
dub | in the real world | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | yes in the real world. | [00:00] |
dub | praps we should all move to romania | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | you certainly should all move out of the us, if there's no more 5th. | [00:01] |
dub | in most places that exist, afaik a judge can require something be opened for inspection | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | they can require it all they want. | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | they'll have to require it of their own agents. | [00:04] |
dub | its the old $5 spanner deal though | [00:04] |
jurov | i wish i could share mircea's ideas about actual lawfulness of the law enformcement around here | [00:04] |
dub | you can refuse, and enjoy prison until your mind changes | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | that'd be a sight, criminal contempt ordered in a criminal proceeding against the defendant who pleaded the 5th. | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | this i wish to see. | [00:05] |
dub | whats the 5th | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google 5th amendment | [00:06] |
gribble | Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the ...: |
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dub | I know what it is, its a completely retarded law that only america has | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, i am currently eating taliban cookies, i wish it entered into the permanent record. | [00:06] |
dub | what relevance does it have outside retardsville | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google maamoul | [00:06] |
gribble | Ma'amoul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [00:06] |
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mircea_popescu | dub : |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5855 @ 0.00084917 = 4.9719 BTC [+] {2} | [00:09] |
dub | ok so the thing that only applies to people who have already given up any freedom or right to privacy | [00:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 300 @ 0.0012 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2} | [00:10] |
dub | important distinction | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | wait what ? | [00:11] |
dub | fyi, you don't need to even enter the US legally (transit) to be required by them to unlock and decrypt anything you are carrying | [00:12] |
dub | phones, computers, storage etc | [00:13] |
Apocalyptic | dafuq | [00:13] |
dub | let alone the willingness to rendite or simply drone strike in any corner of the planet | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | herp. | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | generally speaking, people can require anythning they feel like. the internet is full of derps requiring shit. | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | i get tons of emails requiring all sorta crap all day long. | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | etc. | [00:15] |
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dub | the difference isthe size of their stick | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | dude get out. what stick ? | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | what are they gonna do, punish you by paying for your three meals a day ? | [00:18] |
dub | lol | [00:19] |
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dub | rather than expose my secrets for the fear of incarceration I'll just remain incarcerated, makes perfect sense | [00:21] |
mircea_popescu | do anything rather than play nice with idiots. | [00:21] |
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dub | fortunately for the idiots a large percentage of people !mircea_popescu have low tolerance for the stick they wield | [00:23] |
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mircea_popescu | a well. | [00:23] |
dub | sadly one of the security paradigms nobody seems to understand is that it must actually work | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | must actually work != satisfy inept preconceived notions. | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | there's never going to be security that "actually works" in the sense of bringing you santa back. | [00:26] |
dub | sorry but you're the one talking in fairy tales | [00:27] |
mircea_popescu | so i suppose we leave it at that. | [00:28] |
dub | magical kingdoms where the libertarian ideal is upheld | [00:28] |
jurov | pffft not even libertarian ideals.. rule of law. | [00:28] |
dub | 'rule of law' is a libertard dream | [00:28] |
dub | there has been no such thing for quite some time now | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose the courts look a lot different if you regard them from the priviledged end than from the business end. | [00:30] |
jurov | ^let this be put into public record. | [00:32] |
dub | I suppose its easy to be optimistic | [00:34] |
dub | good luck for then you actually need to test it | [00:36] |
dub | when* | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | dub you know, i'm probably the only one here with actual experience at successfully suing governments. what's easy is to elevate one's not particularly relevant experience to some sort of end-all story of the world. | [00:36] |
dub | yeah well theres governments and theres governments | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | nevertheless. | [00:37] |
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dexX7 | now that this is out - for what did you sue them? | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | most notably we had a dispute as to whether a foreign worker's qualifications are to be evaluated by its employer or the bureaucrats. | [00:41] |
dub | evaluated? | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, something like, "I want to hire X guy, give him a work permit". "we won't, because X guy could be replaced by local labor" "stfu" | [00:42] |
dub | ah | [00:43] |
* | dub wants to know who the bureacrats 'evaluate' the type of skills mircea_popescu imports | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | well their idea is something like... oh computer programming ? sure, we got this guy, he took a six months java course. | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | computers, pizza ovens, trucks, what's the big difference. | [00:45] |
dub | I was thinking more 'Yes that is a fantastic ass, we have nothing of that calibre locally, work visa granted' | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | i never had trouble importing ass. that's easy to explain. | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | anyway. i ended up getting a court order so extensive they ended up having to a) issue me a special made document, as in, without expiration date and b) modify their regulations. | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | and since that particular crew is petrified of crazy mp. | [00:47] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 158 @ 0.0012 = 0.1896 BTC [+] | [00:52] |
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chsados | are the bitches in romania sexy? | [01:00] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google gradina edenului nsfw | [01:02] |
gribble | Olariu Ionela | Facebook: |
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mircea_popescu | whoa. | [01:02] |
dub | fwiw I have been before the courts as more than defendant :) | [01:02] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ | [01:02] |
ozbot | NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [01:02] |
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kakobrekla | so, the most read article of all trilema is trilema premium? | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | actually the most read article is "cum se suge pula", a cocksucking guide. | [01:07] |
kakobrekla | mebbe you should do it in english too | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | yeh one of these days. | [01:08] |
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fractal | massive $150 breakout happning. huge volume on gox. going to hit $200 this month. | [01:15] |
kakobrekla | ;;ticker | [01:15] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 146.15000, Best ask: 147.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 146.15000, 24 hour volume: 14320.08849133, 24 hour low: 141.28508, 24 hour high: 147.00000, 24 hour vwap: 144.48451 | [01:15] |
kakobrekla | i dont mind | [01:15] |
mircea_popescu | so that's why i was selling calls yest | [01:16] |
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fractal | selling calls? you will get CRUSHED.... we're heading to $250 by dec | [01:16] |
zoinky | quite a wild prediction fractal | [01:16] |
kakobrekla | fractal you should put some money on some bbet | [01:16] |
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fractal | its guaranteed -- SR is out of the picture now -- china volume just overtook all USD volume.... massive buying coming in | [01:17] |
fractal | wheres the BBET bet? i'll put down 100 BTC now... | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | fractal i don't have a choice, im passive in the matter. | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | Oct 11 21:39:07 |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00084985 = 1.9547 BTC [+] | [01:17] |
zoinky | 100 btc on $250 by dec? | [01:17] |
fractal | all the idiots saying that bitcoin only has value because of SR --- i've been saying its not true for 2 years... now i am vindicated. i will be proven right again as we hit $250 this year once more | [01:18] |
carly_ | can you name a site where you can play against each other different games for bitcoins? I dont mean a casino or gambling site. Just playing against each other in different pc games | [01:18] |
zoinky | yeah the people in this channel are always saying SR is all bitcoin's value... | [01:18] |
kakobrekla | well there isnt one of 250 but you have a 200 bet | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | fractal 2 years ? wut ? lol | [01:18] |
kakobrekla | http://bitbet.us/bet/529/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-200-before-the/ | [01:18] |
ozbot | BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $200 before the end of 2013 | [01:18] |
zoinky | which exchange is that bet for | [01:19] |
fractal | kako: wow. thats EASY MONEY! | [01:20] |
fractal | i'm getting on that shit right now. free BTC. | [01:20] |
kakobrekla | zoinky, mtgox, its in the link | [01:20] |
fractal | lolz. what n00bz betting NO... idiots | [01:20] |
turbo_ac100 | o_O I just noticed http://bitbet.us/bet/555/difficulty-to-continue-increasing-by-over-20/ is ambiguous. "Each BTC network difficulty change as reported by gribble before the end of January 2014 will be an increase of more than 20% over the last. " | [01:21] |
mircea_popescu | mtgox should be easier, they';ve always been higher. | [01:21] |
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mircea_popescu | turbo_ac100 what's the ambiguity ? | [01:21] |
fractal | 10BTC pays out 14 -- 40% , but 100BTC pays out 104 -- 4% . lol | [01:21] |
zoinky | kakobrekla, i did a search for mtgox on the page and all i see is for another bet | [01:22] |
fractal | and i have to wait 10 weeks.... i'm better off buying futures at ICBIT.se instead of making that gamble at BitBet!! | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | lol mkay. glwt. | [01:22] |
turbo_ac100 | "the last" doesn't refer to the last increase, i.e. 20% -> 24 % and so on but rather "the last" difficulty as in ;;diffchange will be > 20% | [01:22] |
kakobrekla | and 1 btc pays 2 btc | [01:22] |
jurov | fractal: you can buy the same calls on mpex | [01:23] |
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fractal | jurov: MPEX? you mean that useless site with ZERO volume because MP refuses to let new users join without paying 40BTC??? idiotic. | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | each [...] over the last. | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | seems fine. | [01:23] |
fractal | no offence MP... | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | you are aware that the only people actually trading the exchange rate traded it there, yest. | [01:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00085465 = 5.0424 BTC [+] {2} | [01:23] |
fractal | but you'd make more money with no signup fees | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | for all your talk of doing w/e on random bucket shops. | [01:24] |
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jurov | fractal: there's a broker, you are kicking into open doors | [01:24] |
fractal | ICBIT.se is legitimate and been up for 2 years, works great... and they're doing a lot of volume these days.... you'll eventually be surpassed unless you drop signup fees | [01:24] |
turbo_ac100 | mircea_popescu, so it's diffchange 20%, next diffchange will have to be 20%*1.2=24% and so on, right? | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | dude, you've been saying whatever for two years, get out. link or gtfo. | [01:25] |
fractal | jurov: broker == default risk | [01:25] |
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jurov | what? you think coinbr is short and naked? | [01:25] |
mircea_popescu | turbo_ac100 the diffs must follow the curve x, 1.2x, 1.44x, 1.728x etc | [01:25] |
jurov | ;;calc 20*1.2 | [01:25] |
gribble | 24 | [01:25] |
jurov | ;;calc 20*1.2*1.2 | [01:26] |
gribble | 28.8 | [01:26] |
jurov | etc | [01:26] |
fractal | [Oct 1 2012 01:52] |
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fractal | ^^ real logs | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | so two years in the oct 1 - oct 13 interval ? | [01:26] |
turbo_ac100 | meh. stupid bet... gonna have to cancel that... | [01:26] |
arij | bitfunder, havelock, mpex, cryptostocks.. did i miss any | [01:27] |
kakobrekla | well | [01:27] |
fractal | MP, the fact that 1 year wasn't 2 years is just a trivial detail | [01:27] |
kakobrekla | if you list cryptostocks you missed another 3 or so | [01:27] |
arij | ? | [01:27] |
fractal | point is, i'm a genius.... we'll hit $250 by december | [01:27] |
fractal | for sure | [01:27] |
arij | thats all i got.. what are the others? | [01:28] |
kakobrekla | theres like pico stocks and something 123.com chinese thingy or something and therock exchange | [01:28] |
kakobrekla | maybe more | [01:28] |
arij | ah pico | [01:28] |
arij | thats right | [01:28] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;google "hey guys, I think 2013 is the year of bitcoin, we'll probably hit $100, maybe $250" | [01:28] |
gribble | Bitcoin Hits New Record, Crosses $250 | Zero Hedge: [01:28] |
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mircea_popescu | herp. | [01:28] |
fractal | http://imgur.com/jgwRMJo -- this is why $250 is guaranteed before the end of the year -- all hail CHINA!! | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | wasn;'t there some cheapo clone of mpex at some point ? | [01:29] |
ozbot | China will be leading the next run up... - Imgur | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | like, same css glory and everything ? some dood on the forum made it cause he was insulted by mpoe-pr | [01:29] |
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fractal | what channel is most appropriate for trading? | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | in your case, probably #labcoin. | [01:31] |
fractal | whats labcoin? sounds like a scam | [01:31] |
turbo_ac100 | ^^ | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | well... genius ppl congregate there. | [01:31] |
fractal | i'm such a genius that I can tell scams just by the name of the company | [01:31] |
fractal | #bitcoin-geniuses | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | totally. | [01:32] |
fractal | i'm ops in #bitcoin-geniuses. | [01:32] |
dexX7 | http://imgur.com/jgwRMJo this reddit picture is so stupid.. just link to some useful statistics pls | [01:32] |
ozbot | China will be leading the next run up... - Imgur | [01:32] |
fractal | dexx7: bitcoincharts.com 24 hr | [01:33] |
dexX7 | yes, for example | [01:33] |
zoinky | the poster put up a spreadsheet of all the data | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | yes yes, chinese ppl are buying bitcoin. | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://paulgraham.com/taste.html | [01:36] |
ozbot | Taste for Makers | [01:36] |
dexX7 | http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ garden party at popescu's? | [01:37] |
ozbot | NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [01:38] |
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mircea_popescu | selling the girls downriver. | [01:39] |
dexX7 | lol | [01:39] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00084799 = 4.9183 BTC [-] {3} | [01:56] |
fractal | difficulty 250,000,000 next jump? i told eveyrone this would happen. so many idiots buying mining eqiupment and losing money..... fuck. im so smart. honestly... fuck. | [01:58] |
jurov | ;;bc,stats | [01:59] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 263445 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 650 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 244476073.369 | Estimated Percent Change: 29.16022 | [01:59] |
jurov | fractal so what? | [02:00] |
fractal | so, nobody listened to me and lost money.... now I will charge for my consulting services since my track record is perfect | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | you're a loony. | [02:02] |
fractal | 10BTC for 1 month of advice.... correspondance by mail only | [02:02] |
fractal | 100BTC for phone number... msg me | [02:02] |
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jurov | fractal: i'll pay you even 100btc... but only after it turns out correctly | [02:03] |
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fractal | jurov, no problem. what do you want to know? | [02:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.05032501 = 0.2013 BTC [-] {2} | [02:04] |
jurov | nm that was rather dumb idea | [02:04] |
fractal | Avalon batch 2's going for $3K on ebay... pretty funny, they were $30,000 a few months ago. | [02:04] |
fractal | avalon's will mine 10 BTC max going forward http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=189281249.28103&dcosts=500&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=80000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=131.40&dpowcon=30&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.25&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=0&action=calc | [02:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.05030001 = 0.1006 BTC [-] | [02:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00731162 = 0.6727 BTC [-] {4} | [02:05] |
fractal | so , they're worth $1,500 or less.... i'll pay $500 for them. msg me | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | jurov lol | [02:06] |
fractal | man, those poor bastards who haven't got their BFL singles yet... | [02:06] |
fractal | meanwhile LTC mining holding up for now,,, but dropping slowly to zero | [02:07] |
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thestringpuller | what is this btc-china? | [02:12] |
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dub | this is btc-spaaarta | [02:23] |
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mircea_popescu | thestringpuller some chinese based exchange. | [02:27] |
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thestringpuller | The greatest heist in the world: "Stealing Chinese gold from an American depository." | [02:30] |
kakobrekla | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310320.0 | [02:33] |
ozbot | [ANN] UK Bitcoin Exchange | [02:33] |
kakobrekla | broken as fuck. | [02:34] |
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mircea_popescu | they're incorporated in a residential area ?! | [02:36] |
fractal | china is now more important then usa when it comes to bitcoin | [02:36] |
fractal | majority of volume is now on chineese exchanges | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | fractal yes yes. you could have read all about it on trilema a while back. you genius you. | [02:37] |
dub | * is more important than murica outside storing homeless bitcoin developers | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | incorporated in feb, guy made acct in march, name changed in august | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | statement of capital shows jack shit and the prices there are in the 50k range, to own. they rent. | [02:39] |
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fractal | MP , do you claim your geniuseness exceeds mine?? that is quite the claim. | [02:50] |
fractal | bitcoin $250 this year. i'll be back dec 31 to confirm. | [02:50] |
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kakobrekla | place 100btc and you dont have to come back | [02:51] |
kakobrekla | bet | [02:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 125 @ 0.00702865 = 0.8786 BTC [-] {8} | [02:51] |
zoinky | lol | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | i hope this one has better sauna security. | [02:53] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.76000068 BTC [-] | [03:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.05020666 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {3} | [03:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 8 @ 0.0502 = 0.4016 BTC [-] | [03:06] |
turbo_ac100 | is there a fancy visualisation of address dependencies? Blockchain explorer with added graphics bling? | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3331940#msg3331940 | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | epic shit. | [03:09] |
ozbot | [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN] | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | turbo_ac100 not afaik. | [03:09] |
turbo_ac100 | IPO... | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | go for it. | [03:10] |
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mircea_popescu | so are we yet at the realisation that btct may be slightly undercapitalised or not quite ? | [03:16] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu did you make a deal with the bitvps guys? | [03:20] |
thestringpuller | vis-a-vis Namworld the Canadian | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | um not afaik ? | [03:21] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.76000068 BTC [-] | [03:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.76000068 BTC [-] | [03:32] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 416 @ 0.0012 = 0.4992 BTC [+] | [03:38] |
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dub | not sure trotting out Bitcoin Oz to belittle is necessary | [03:44] |
dub | might want to suggest she uses a slighty sturdier strawman | [03:46] |
mircea_popescu | what, the guy that was selling glbse stocks is no good ?!?!11? | [03:51] |
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kakobrekla | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297334.msg3333239#msg3333239 | [03:53] |
ozbot | [SolarWind , A Bitcoin Mining Company] 100TH/s Mining Farm - Official Thread | [03:53] |
kakobrekla | aint that cute | [03:53] |
kakobrekla | a company on a usb stick. | [03:53] |
dub | also the guy outed as having stabbed old ladies to death in a drunken rampage | [03:53] |
dub | haha wtf kakobrekla | [03:54] |
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mircea_popescu | dub and a whole lot moar. | [03:55] |
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benkay | dahahahaha there's a trilema premium!? | [04:16] |
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* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading | [13:59] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69000001 = 1.38 BTC [-] | [14:03] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69000001 BTC [-] | [14:06] |
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bitesak | ;;avg price | [14:08] |
gribble | Error: "avg" is not a valid command. | [14:08] |
bitesak | ;;ticker | [14:09] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 152.00576, Best ask: 152.49995, Bid-ask spread: 0.49419, Last trade: 152.00000, 24 hour volume: 31063.95478779, 24 hour low: 143.10000, 24 hour high: 153.69902, 24 hour vwap: 148.48608 | [14:09] |
bitesak | ;;next | [14:09] |
gribble | See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/ | [14:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-] | [14:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-] | [14:13] |
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bitesak | based on current bids for s.Nsa, based on the 1% minimum, it's a go ! | [14:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6825 = 2.73 BTC [-] {2} | [14:22] |
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dexX7 | ;;seen ThickAsThieves | [14:39] |
gribble | ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.670001 = 1.34 BTC [-] | [14:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 945 @ 0.00084948 = 0.8028 BTC [-] | [14:41] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.66202 = 1.9861 BTC [-] | [14:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.662 BTC [-] | [14:44] |
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mircea_popescu | bitesak yeah | [14:48] |
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dexX7 | what is s.nsa anyway? i have a vague impression, but that's solely based on the description of that gpg-token | [14:53] |
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bitesak | http://trilema.com/snsa-first-product-the-cardano did you read that already? | [14:57] |
ozbot | S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [14:57] |
dexX7 | > based on the description of that gpg-token | [14:58] |
dexX7 | yup, i did | [14:58] |
dexX7 | and i saw the contract on mpex | [14:58] |
dexX7 | i was just wondering, if there is a document somewhere with more details :) | [14:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share | [15:00] |
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bitesak | I am all for more understanding, I guess you can list your questions if any? | [15:01] |
dexX7 | i have no specific question at the moment | [15:02] |
bitesak | i see it as the first physical product made through and thanks to bitcoin, other than Bitcoin coins and Tshirt branded stuff I guess. | [15:05] |
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dexX7 | are you an investor or "involved"? | [15:07] |
bitesak | nope, I am considering it though and interested in purchasing a few for christmas :) | [15:09] |
dexX7 | ah i see.. yes, the gpg-token sounds like a really neat object | [15:10] |
gecko_x2 | this is interesting | [15:10] |
gecko_x2 | is it MP's own design? | [15:10] |
bitesak | I'll probably start with one, test it and do my best to understand it and use it as a means to promote use of GPG among friends and girlfriends | [15:10] |
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mircea_popescu | bitesak well, miners are more ocmplex products | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | gecko_x2 not in any significant degree. asciilifeform is the tech there. | [15:14] |
bitesak | mircea_popescu, I wanted to refer to Casascius Bitcoins for the coins | [15:15] |
mircea_popescu | a | [15:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66200001 = 1.324 BTC [+] | [15:17] |
gecko_x2 | mp, ok thx | [15:18] |
gecko_x2 | yea GPG key management was always the issue | [15:18] |
gecko_x2 | i remember playing with centralized key servers back in the days | [15:18] |
gecko_x2 | there's just no way a normal joe sixpack can do that | [15:19] |
gecko_x2 | irl | [15:19] |
gecko_x2 | anyways | [15:19] |
gecko_x2 | i don't even think gpg keys are the future | [15:19] |
gecko_x2 | there is one thing that hasn't been mentioned at all after the snowden case | [15:20] |
gecko_x2 | one thing that the NSA is totally defenceless against | [15:20] |
gecko_x2 | currently only used in online banking | [15:20] |
gecko_x2 | and that's OTP | [15:21] |
gecko_x2 | that's the way messages was delivered during WW2 | [15:21] |
gecko_x2 | and it fucking works | [15:21] |
gecko_x2 | i think that a single static key as a concept is pretty much dead | [15:21] |
gecko_x2 | except maybe for initially sharing the actual OTP | [15:22] |
mircea_popescu | believe me, it's been mentioned. | [15:24] |
gecko_x2 | not enough | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | asymmetric keys are a much better solution for poor people, however | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | because poor people can not afford to move otp keys around safely. | [15:24] |
gecko_x2 | hmm | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile, properly implemented pgp is still uncrackable. | [15:25] |
gecko_x2 | yes | [15:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.663 = 1.989 BTC [+] | [15:26] |
gecko_x2 | there is one new concept that the blockchain would make theoretically possible too | [15:26] |
gecko_x2 | time-release encryption | [15:27] |
mircea_popescu | there was a start-up last year to do this | [15:27] |
mircea_popescu | nothing came of it. | [15:27] |
gecko_x2 | the blockchain could be used so that a key to a piece of data would be split into say 100000 pieces | [15:28] |
gecko_x2 | 51% of those pieces would be needed to decrypt | [15:28] |
gecko_x2 | anyways | [15:30] |
gecko_x2 | it's a very interesting concept, if you think about encrypting contracts, testimonies, wills etc | [15:31] |
dexX7 | hmm.. but isn't the collection of pointers to the parts more or less similar to passwords or a key? | [15:32] |
gecko_x2 | the incentive not to release the key early would be monetary | [15:32] |
gecko_x2 | let's say you encrypt 'hello world', for 1 month | [15:33] |
gecko_x2 | you have an altcur, called 'timecoin' | [15:33] |
dexX7 | okay | [15:33] |
gecko_x2 | you have say 1 second coins, 1 minute coins and 1 hour coins | [15:33] |
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gecko_x2 | you combine them to make up a month | [15:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.663 BTC [+] | [15:34] |
gecko_x2 | ppl have clients where they can trade all these coins | [15:35] |
dexX7 | yup | [15:35] |
gecko_x2 | say there is the amount of one second coins to make up 100 years | [15:35] |
gecko_x2 | same with minutes | [15:35] |
gecko_x2 | same with hours | [15:35] |
gecko_x2 | you encrypt the message, and the keys are freely traded globally | [15:36] |
gecko_x2 | ppl have clients which holds fractional pieces of all time encrypted data | [15:36] |
gecko_x2 | just fractions | [15:36] |
gecko_x2 | the value of the coins can only be released after a message is decrypted at the expected time, no sooner | [15:37] |
gecko_x2 | should 51% of the holders of these anonymous timecoins decide to all release them ahead of time, they would become worthless | [15:37] |
gecko_x2 | something like that | [15:37] |
gecko_x2 | i'm not smart enough to fully figure it out | [15:38] |
gecko_x2 | so you would have on your pc a client software | [15:38] |
gecko_x2 | with a portfolio of time encrypted data | [15:38] |
gecko_x2 | and as the 1 month encrypted data, when it's time to decrypt | [15:39] |
gecko_x2 | the client would automatically do it for you | [15:39] |
gecko_x2 | so you could trade unknown future secrets | [15:39] |
gecko_x2 | the speculation would be rampant | [15:39] |
dexX7 | lol | [15:39] |
dexX7 | i don't think i fully get it | [15:40] |
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gecko_x2 | well | [15:40] |
gecko_x2 | it's hard to explain | [15:41] |
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gecko_x2 | there is an old post about the concept | [15:41] |
gecko_x2 | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248466.0 | [15:41] |
ozbot | Time-release encryption using Bitcoin? | [15:41] |
gecko_x2 | yeah | [15:41] |
gecko_x2 | er | [15:41] |
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dexX7 | ah ty | [15:41] |
gecko_x2 | but this post doesn't mention coins as i'm thinking | [15:42] |
gecko_x2 | i'm thinking you make 3 altcoins | [15:42] |
gecko_x2 | seconds, minutes, hours | [15:42] |
gecko_x2 | to make up for let's say 500 years | [15:42] |
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gecko_x2 | i dunno should there be 500 years combined, or 500 years of each | [15:43] |
gecko_x2 | i'm not smart enough :p | [15:43] |
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gecko_x2 | but each holder would only have a fraction of the future secret | [15:44] |
gecko_x2 | say george soros want to encrypt something to be released 50 years after his death | [15:45] |
dexX7 | is it like.. "when 2030030 second coins are mined, it's xxx date, time"? | [15:45] |
gecko_x2 | fractions of keys to that data would be traded just like altcur's currently | [15:45] |
gecko_x2 | yeah | [15:45] |
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gecko_x2 | combined with the fact that there is no incentive for all the hundreds of thousands of holders of the fractional keys to release them all ahead of time | [15:46] |
gecko_x2 | they might not even know what this or that fractional key is really hiding | [15:47] |
gecko_x2 | until the due date | [15:47] |
gecko_x2 | man the speculation would be awesome | [15:47] |
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gecko_x2 | like 'i have 350 1 second keys holding soros's secret' | [15:47] |
gecko_x2 | and they are trading 2500% above initial value :p | [15:48] |
dexX7 | xD | [15:48] |
gecko_x2 | because ppl think the secret is gonna be worth millions | [15:48] |
gecko_x2 | and ofcourse, once the secret is released, the holders of the keys get to see it first | [15:48] |
gecko_x2 | before the global press etc | [15:48] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.66223078 = 8.609 BTC [-] {3} | [16:14] |
bitesak | ;;ticker | [16:17] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 151.00000, Best ask: 151.41001, Bid-ask spread: 0.41001, Last trade: 151.00000, 24 hour volume: 33087.00526892, 24 hour low: 143.10000, 24 hour high: 153.69902, 24 hour vwap: 148.83173 | [16:17] |
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bitesak | !ticker s.mpoe | [16:20] |
assbot | How can I be of assistance, my poor man? | [16:20] |
bitesak | ;;ticker s.mpoe | [16:21] |
gribble | (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |
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mircea_popescu | $vwap s.mpoe | [16:28] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00085005 high: 0.0008576 low: 0.00084444 volume: 42500 btc: 36.12705707 7 day: average: 0.00084643 high: 0.00085779 low: 0.00083547 volume: 912159 btc: 772.07450746 30 day: average: 0.00089086 high: 0.00094307 low: 0.0007725 volume: 4521469 btc: 4027.99396016 | [16:28] |
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bitesak | thanks mp, was reading on of your articles on MPOE evaluation and tried the !ticker command | [17:01] |
bitesak | just discovered the The list of discontinued assets on MPEx page ! | [17:01] |
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mircea_popescu | :p | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker m s.bbet | [17:05] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00050025 / 0.0005293 / 0.00059999 (7055 shares, 3.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.00054634 / 0.00059999 (43300 shares, 23.66 BTC) | [17:05] |
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dexX7 | ;;nethash | [17:12] |
gribble | 2217153.74554 | [17:12] |
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dexX7 | ;;diffchange | [17:13] |
gribble | Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 33.36436 % based on data since last change | 63.63379 % based on data for last three days | [17:13] |
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arij_ | that diff | [17:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3888 @ 0.0002479 = 0.9638 BTC [-] | [17:22] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.65974999 = 19.7925 BTC [-] {7} | [17:25] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bcstats | [17:27] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 263611 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 484 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 252338232.77 | Estimated Percent Change: 33.31391 | [17:27] |
dexX7 | hey tat, assuming havelock closes it's door to us issuers, too. what would you do then? | [17:29] |
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ThickAsThieves | we have contigency plans in place | [17:38] |
ThickAsThieves | contingency* | [17:38] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.006287 = 0.2452 BTC [-] | [17:55] |
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dexX7 | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310282.msg3317569 another "signature based auth/login system" | [18:05] |
ozbot | SQRL: revolutionizes web site login and authentication | [18:05] |
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frank3 | hi guys | [18:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.10293331 = 0.3088 BTC [+] {3} | [18:15] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/14/4836778/canadian-government-we-want-to-unbundle-television-channels | [18:20] |
ozbot | Canadian government: 'We want to unbundle television channels' | The Verge | [18:20] |
ThickAsThieves | canada keep being the anti-US plz | [18:20] |
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nubbins` | canadian government is acting really, really strangely lately | [18:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 14052 @ 0.00017036 = 2.3939 BTC [-] {14} | [18:42] |
nubbins` | like, suspiciously consumer-friendly | [18:42] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.006111 = 0.6111 BTC [-] {5} | [18:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.65752 = 3.2876 BTC [-] {3} | [18:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 148 @ 0.00611005 = 0.9043 BTC [-] {4} | [18:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00611005 = 0.3299 BTC [-] | [18:56] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 85 @ 0.001199 = 0.1019 BTC [-] | [19:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.70999999 BTC [+] | [19:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.04500167 = 0.27 BTC [-] {2} | [19:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.71 = 4.26 BTC [+] {2} | [19:30] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MG] 13600 @ 0.00018 = 2.448 BTC [-] {2} | [19:46] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 850 @ 0.00043798 = 0.3723 BTC [+] {4} | [20:17] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00084656 = 6.5185 BTC [-] {2} | [20:30] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4eCqcXjlX4 | [21:04] |
ozbot | Au demolat-o - YouTube | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | romanian expert techniques. | [21:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00645 = 1.29 BTC [-] | [21:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0065 = 0.182 BTC [+] | [22:03] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 5000 @ 0.00116222 = 5.8111 BTC [-] {2} | [22:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00645228 = 0.271 BTC [-] {3} | [22:34] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.71898988 = 2.876 BTC [+] {2} | [22:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00679972 = 1.3055 BTC [+] {2} | [22:41] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 122 @ 0.00116151 = 0.1417 BTC [-] | [23:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0069999 = 0.182 BTC [+] | [23:06] |
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kleeck | .d | [23:12] |
ozbot | 189281249.28103 | Next Diff in 425 blocks | Estimated Change: 34.1303% in 1d 22h 27m 50s | [23:12] |
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bob_ | ;;24hprc | [23:52] |
gribble | Error: "24hprc" is not a valid command. | [23:52] |
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bob_ | ;;bc,24hprc | [23:53] |
gribble | 142.87 | [23:53] |
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