Forum logs for 14 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu mats_cd03 two lines up ?! [00:00]
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saifedean so the arab bitcoin space is growing up so fast... we are getting our own scamcoin [00:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: picture a zoologist encountering an alien equivalent of the scorpion for the first time. what will his most important, though scientifically 'fuzziest' observations be? that the animal is - venomous. [00:00]
mircea_popescu ayup. [00:00]
saifedean this guy i know who works on atm's is launching his own cryptocurrency! And it's backed by real assets! REAL [00:00]
mircea_popescu saifedean more of that huh. [00:01]
saifedean http://www.ucicoin.com/faq [00:01]
assbot UCICOIN Crowdsale [00:01]
saifedean https://finance.yahoo.com/news/universal-crowd-funding-investments-l-225646854.html [00:01]
assbot Universal Crowd-Funding Investments S.A.L (U.C.I S.A.L) Recently Launched Its Crowd Sale and a Crypto Currency Backed by Real Assets and Now is Looking to Establish a Branch in Switzerland - Yahoo Finance [00:01]
mircea_popescu how do you say neobee in lebanese [00:01]
saifedean UCICOIN, i guess [00:02]
mircea_popescu saifedean so do your countrymen a favour, write a local language lenghty piece on exactly how neobee worked, what it was etc. [00:03]
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chetty !up saifedean [00:07]
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saifedean i'm not too bothered, i don't think he'll muster more than $100 in "investment" [00:07]
mircea_popescu mrjr: multisig is useful to protect access to privkey, by splitting the power of moving funds to 2+ entities. we pre-sign transactions, nlocked in time, and discard the private key. <<< and i know that you do because... you say so ? [00:08]
mircea_popescu saifedean that's not the point tho. [00:08]
saifedean he keeps trying to recruit me to work with him, and i keep trying my best to bluntly explain to him that his whole thing is going to a giant fat zero, and that the best outcome possible for him is to lose only all his money [00:08]
mircea_popescu mrjr: there's edge cases with malleability etc, but the benefits are that bitcoin operations can have their coins kept in a tx form, not as the information of the privkey << this is so braindamaged i can'teven be bothered. [00:08]
mircea_popescu motherfucker someone made a clear "here's the water, here's the flour" thing so it's simple and obvious, all sorts of derps come up with all sorts of "improvements" consisting of various doughs. "it stores better as canned frozen dough with our magical chemicals than as simple flour! and you can make things!" [00:10]
mircea_popescu this "innovation" is the fucking thing bitcoin was made to kill. [00:10]
mircea_popescu mrjr: thestringpuller: i'll work on getting my creds in order :) meni rosenfeld is one of our investors, and our cto Shaul Kfir was a reviewer for the sidechain paper. <<< myewah, the surprises keep right on coming [00:11]
mircea_popescu don't bother with the wot, i'll neg you anyway. [00:11]
mircea_popescu fucking ignorant derps. "here's a shitpie i made. my investors are ken lay and i'll be making a whipetatter" [00:13]
chetty this "innovation" is the fucking thing bitcoin was made to kill.//so they make a lot of messes, thats how kiddies learn and once in a while something useful actually gets invented [00:14]
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mircea_popescu fuck him. he has a known fraud as an "investor" ? he's fucked. [00:14]
mircea_popescu that's what due dilligence fucking means. [00:14]
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BingoBoingo !b 2 [00:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^^ < at this level it is difficult to distinguish simple idiocy riding on featuritis (because nobodies wish to get a place in the sun, and absent actual skils what better avenue trhan the pretense of adding value ?) and actual malice as oyu describe. [00:18]
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mircea_popescu in any case, nlocktime is ulterior on the flow of entalpy to that kafkian point where shit went weird, identified retrospectively. [00:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: jurov: except that i can't use paper usd for anything << do what the soon-to-be-"protected" folk do, use a rechargeable prepaid card lol [00:21]
BingoBoingo The good reloadable prepaid cards even allow you to write "checks" [00:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: let's put it this way. a pile of usd without at least seven or eight decimally-significant zeros trailing after it, would make absolutely no difference to how i live. <<< this is like... the definition of poverty! [00:22]
mircea_popescu so basically, until he marries kim kardashian, stan will be pretty much going on with whatever it is he's doing today. [00:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: gotta love these idiots. when'll somebody edit, rather than simply wiping, the case files ? << the one time you'll never hear about it, because how would you. [00:24]
mircea_popescu joecool: poweliks is a really interesting infection that often pulls in the cyperlocker ransomware, that hit the wild a couple months ago << look at that, someone took the trouble to make a trojan that works on all windowses to date ? [00:26]
mircea_popescu "Windows 2000, Windows 7, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2008, Windows Vista, Windows XP", we should probably hire this man. [00:26]
mircea_popescu rithm: it's cryptowall now and from what i can tell it's infected sites like mom & pop's ruinning old WP/drupal/some CMS <<< yeah, stuff the shitheads in question don't maintain, then i have to answer biweekly questions of "is qntra down". off with their heads i say! [00:28]
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jurov str = 'line1
line2 \
'
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jurov fp = open('out.txt', 'w') [00:33]
jurov fp.write(str) [00:33]
jurov fp.close() [00:33]
jurov guess what python does with this? [00:33]
jurov EATS THE TRAILING NEWLINE [00:33]
jurov SOMEONE PLS KILL ME [00:33]
jurov why must this always happen to me? [00:34]
mircea_popescu lol poor j [00:34]
Azelphur jurov: http://pastebin.com/z2BSyU1V nope [00:35]
assbot azelphur@darth-vader:~$ cat test.py str = 'line1
line2 \
' fp = open('out.t - Pastebin.com
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mircea_popescu the plot, it thickens ? [00:36]
jurov Azelphur: hexdump out.txt? [00:37]
jurov here: 0000000 696c 656e 0a31 696c 656e 2032 0a5c [00:37]
mircea_popescu if this results in a patch to the kernel of w/e jurov's server is using... [00:37]
Azelphur 0000000 696c 656e 0a31 696c 656e 2032 0a5c [00:37]
Azelphur 000000e [00:37]
Azelphur jurov: nope xD [00:37]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: use a rechargeable prepaid card << the day of 'thumbprint please sir' or at least 'show id' is not far. [00:38]
asciilifeform case files ... the one time you'll never hear about it << once it becomes a plausible thing to claim for a side in a case -> phase transition. [00:38]
xanthyos i don't understand free markets [00:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the definition of poverty! << say moar [00:39]
jurov Azelphur: it exchanged the and [00:39]
jurov or my brain misfired [00:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the argument i was trying to make is that, when grunting on a prison asteroid, a liter of rocket fuel makes very little difference. only L liters - sufficient for liftoff - will. [00:40]
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Azelphur jurov: I wonder if it's a Windows line ending thing. [00:40]
jurov it's leeeeeenux here !!!1 [00:40]
Azelphur that's just weird then [00:40]
asciilifeform jurov: in my very informal experiments, all extant browsers - without exception - mutilate line endings. so no point in 'paste box' apparatus, unless operated via something like mpex script. [00:41]
asciilifeform jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 [00:41]
assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people [00:41]
jurov fp = open('out.txt', 'wb') did not help [00:41]
jurov but i am not putting the code in browser [00:41]
jurov oh you mean the paste box [00:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: someone took the trouble to make a trojan that works on all windowses to date ? << this is very easy given a purely-userland turd. [00:42]
asciilifeform (which the turd in question was. in fact, quite likely it is even mostly posix-compliant.) [00:42]
jurov this looks like a trojan in python..using \
to trigger
[00:43]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: the definition of poverty! << say moar <<< sarcasm, the lowest form of wit. [00:43]
mircea_popescu o look! there's a parade down my street [00:45]
mircea_popescu only the 5th this month. [00:45]
jurov damn hexdump switched the endianness, file is actually correct [00:46]
mircea_popescu here: 0000000 696c 656e 0a31 696c 656e 2032 0a5c << seems correct endian ? [00:47]
jurov do hexdump -C [00:47]
jurov then it ends in 5c 0a as it should [00:47]
jurov but when you open out.txt in less or vim it pretends there is no newline in the end [00:49]
mircea_popescu 00000000 6c 69 6e 65 31 5c 6e 6c 69 6e 65 32 20 0a [00:49]
mircea_popescu o.o [00:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00045279 = 5.2524 BTC [-] {3} [00:50]
jurov there are total 4 backslashes in 'line1
line2 \
' , maybe irc ate them?
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mircea_popescu but anyway. [00:50]
mircea_popescu !up JuliaTourianski [00:52]
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mircea_popescu how's biz ? [00:52]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neh, i actually was hoping to hear moar. [00:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but i can't dispute the poverty bit. [00:55]
* asciilifeform ragged dervish. [00:55]
mircea_popescu you gotta understand for most people $100 in disposable income would actually make a significant difference. [00:56]
asciilifeform gotta be shitting me [00:56]
mircea_popescu this is definitely most of africa, but i suspect most of the us by now, too. [00:56]
asciilifeform aha africa. [00:56]
mircea_popescu i am not shitting you. [00:56]
mircea_popescu i have yet to meet a female argentinian that's both a) fuckable and b) owner in her own right of $100 worth of monthly income free and clear of any burden. [00:57]
asciilifeform where i live, that buys slightly less than two full 'standard' tanks of petrol. [00:57]
mircea_popescu indeed. [00:57]
asciilifeform that is, a week of my commute, not counting toll gates or machine wear. [00:57]
mircea_popescu it buys even less than a lolipop on a comet, so what of it ? [00:57]
mircea_popescu don't try to live on comets. [00:57]
asciilifeform l0l. [00:57]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In this part of USia, $100 could buy 2 tanks with $20 left over [00:58]
mircea_popescu in romania it's just about ONE tank. [00:58]
mircea_popescu little over i guess. [00:59]
* asciilifeform picked a uniquely bad example, and realized [00:59]
mircea_popescu blowjobs better example. [00:59]
mircea_popescu $15 going rate here. [00:59]
mircea_popescu http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kimkgif.gif << next we're gonna learn kim came to the us on a hb1 visa. [01:01]
* asciilifeform not an expert on the economics of this, but wonders how the cost relates to the 'unit cost' - that is, what it costs to house and feed a typical vendor. [01:01]
JuliaTourianski so change direction from blowjobs, I wanted to ask your thought on this "freedom" we're all obsessed with. i like this critique: "To coerce a man is to deprive him of freedom - freedom from what? Almost every moralist in human history has praised freedom. Like happiness and goodness, like nature and reality, it is a term whose meaning is so porous that there is little interpretation that it seems able to resist" [01:01]
JuliaTourianski the entire thing feels like a feel-good distraction from actual attainable action. [01:02]
asciilifeform which 'thing' ? [01:02]
JuliaTourianski the goal of freedom [01:03]
asciilifeform !s freedom [01:03]
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mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski let's take an oblique tack. forget coercing a man. what is coercing a woman ? [01:03]
asciilifeform not much of obsession around here. [01:03]
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JuliaTourianski excatly. which is why i bother ask it here [01:03]
mircea_popescu well so answer lol [01:03]
JuliaTourianski don't be fecisious [01:04]
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mircea_popescu whadda ya mean ? [01:05]
JuliaTourianski "The doctrine that maintains that what I cannot have I must teach myself not to desire, that a desire eliminated, or successfully resisted, is as good as a desire satisfied, is a sublime, but, it seems to me, unmistakable, form of the doctrine of sour grapes: what I cannot be sure of, I cannot truly want. This makes it clear why the definition of negative liberty as the ability to do what one wishes - which is, in e [01:05]
JuliaTourianski will not do. If I find that I am able to do little or nothing of what I wish, I need only contract or extinguish my wishes, and I am made free. If the tyrant (or 'hidden persuader') manages to condition his subjects (or customers) into losing their original wishes and embracing ('internalising') [01:05]
asciilifeform facetious? [01:05]
JuliaTourianski the form of life he has invented for them, he will, on this definition, have succeeded in liberating them. He will, no doubt, have made them feel free - as Epictetus feels freer than his master (and the proverbial good man is said to feel happy on the rack). But what he has created is the very antithesis of political freedom [01:05]
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mircea_popescu mebbe use a pastebin next time. [01:05]
JuliaTourianski meh i dunno. i'm trying to gage some thought that will surprise me maybe [01:06]
JuliaTourianski high hopes for mircea [01:07]
asciilifeform JuliaTourianski: try this on for size: [01:07]
mircea_popescu well so far we're at the point where we try to find out what you mean by words. [01:07]
asciilifeform !s sleep ad libitum [01:07]
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JuliaTourianski ahaha [01:07]
* BingoBoingo finds it more useful to consider freedom a conditional [01:08]
JuliaTourianski alright I'll be super direct: is freedom possible? and if so, what is it? [01:08]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski for "it" to "be" something you're making some presumptions. is the color pink possible ? if so, what is it ? [01:08]
mircea_popescu if you define it as em with wavelength so and so, then yes. [01:08]
mircea_popescu otherwise... depends, pls to explain what you mean. [01:09]
JuliaTourianski actually i am not making presumptions at all. I am admitting to be color blind here [01:09]
* BingoBoingo also thinks the F-word is too tainted by abuse to be useful on its own. [01:09]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski lol you ever read how sussman was englightened ? [01:09]
JuliaTourianski no [01:09]
mircea_popescu In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6. [01:10]
mircea_popescu "What are you doing?", asked Minsky. [01:10]
mircea_popescu "I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-tac-toe", Sussman replied. [01:10]
mircea_popescu "Why is the net wired randomly?", asked Minsky. [01:10]
mircea_popescu "I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play", Sussman said. [01:10]
mircea_popescu Minsky then shut his eyes. [01:10]
mircea_popescu "Why do you close your eyes?" Sussman asked his teacher. [01:10]
mircea_popescu "So that the room will be empty." [01:10]
mircea_popescu At that moment, Sussman was enlightened. [01:10]
asciilifeform inevitably modern discussions of 'freedom' reveal themselves as having the purpose of convincing a chump that the entire concept, but specifically his wishes to not be a zoo animal, is delusional and he 'is bad and should feel bad' [01:10]
BingoBoingo http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html [01:10]
assbot Some AI Koans [01:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo by exception from the general rule, i actually wanted this one in teh record. [01:10]
asciilifeform this must be at least the 7th time sussman and his neural net pop up here. [01:11]
BingoBoingo Sure, figured I'd like the source for the sake of the rest of the stories [01:11]
mircea_popescu im a sucker for it, what can i say. [01:11]
BingoBoingo !s sussman [01:11]
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asciilifeform !s minsky [01:11]
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mircea_popescu !s minski [01:11]
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mircea_popescu a well. [01:11]
asciilifeform eh. [01:11]
JuliaTourianski asciilifeform now that's presumptuous...even though I agree [01:11]
JuliaTourianski better questions [01:12]
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JuliaTourianski is the discussion of freedom even important or relevant anymore [01:12]
mircea_popescu no discussion is either important or ever relevant if the discussers don't know what they mean by words. [01:12]
asciilifeform very important and relevant - to the zookeper - he is quite interested in making sure that it stays as it traditionally tends to be, useless and irrelevant. [01:13]
JuliaTourianski what do i need to clairfy for you mircea [01:13]
mircea_popescu you can start with coercion., [01:13]
JuliaTourianski I quoted something, so I'd have to ask mr. berlin what he means [01:14]
mircea_popescu well yes, i guess you should. much like we can't use unsigned patches for any reason, you can't use undefined jumbles for any thinking. [01:14]
mircea_popescu generally writers do readers the courtesy of defining stuff tho. [01:15]
JuliaTourianski i think he means interference from governing bodies [01:15]
asciilifeform then goes the other question, is 'king hunger' a governing body? [01:15]
JuliaTourianski "One is that all coercion is, in so far as it frustrates human desires, bad as such, although it may have to be applied to prevent other, greater evils; while non-interference, which is the opposite of coercion, is good as such, although it is not the only good." [01:15]
mircea_popescu so how would education work in this paradigm ? [01:15]
JuliaTourianski +asciilifeform yeah, i've been thinking about that. [01:16]
asciilifeform http://work-way.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/59532394.jpg [01:16]
asciilifeform ^ 'king hunger' [01:16]
mircea_popescu because that happens to be both the source and the point of coercion in practice. [01:16]
asciilifeform see also king gravity, king thermodynamics, etc. [01:16]
asciilifeform (king hunger is actually just an affiliate duke under king thermo) [01:16]
JuliaTourianski Dostoyevsky said: "boots are superior to Pushkin" so what is freedom? freedom to starve of freeze in the cold? or freedom to be warm and fed under rule [01:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's come full circle, by now the unruly stupid children of yesteryear are forming pseudophylosophyc systems to justify their sillyness. [01:17]
JuliaTourianski and* [01:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'В мире есть царь: этот царь беспощаден, Голод названье ему.' ( http://www.stihi-rus.ru/1/Nekrasov/30.htm ) [01:17]
JuliaTourianski both positive and negative liberty is used very well by every side of power [01:18]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski let's look through all this by using a model of yourself as a little girl. [01:18]
mircea_popescu you are a little girl growing up in the house of your parents, which is all nice and good. [01:19]
JuliaTourianski pleasant thoughts from you as always [01:19]
mircea_popescu you get to be 16. at this point you figure - miuch like that chick in wuthering heights or whichever had the 7 sisters - you have about as much need of fucking as you have of someone sticking his finger up your nose. [01:19]
mircea_popescu this notwithstanding, a strange man comes, takes you away, puts you in a new place and makes you pregnant. [01:20]
mircea_popescu this is obviously coercitive, on the part of said man. [01:20]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, you get over it, and the wound heals like any wound, and now you have children, which of course you love, being so wired to do. [01:20]
mircea_popescu but now they are 16, and a man comes and takes them to war, where they get shot and die. [01:21]
mircea_popescu this, obviously, also coercitive. [01:21]
mircea_popescu the alternative being, of course, that you could be an old maid, in which case the same children would be... just as equally dead. [01:21]
mircea_popescu or else, that you'd have unbearable brats the sort that grow up to be isaiah berlin and fill the world with the idiocy of their parareasonings as to why nobody ever needs to grow the fuck up already. [01:22]
mircea_popescu then the whole ecosystem collapses under their weight ; rocks fall, everyone dies ; the mongols come to rape the lot. [01:22]
mircea_popescu coercion, wtf do you mean coercion ? you're sitting on a chair right now, your but's coerced. [01:22]
JuliaTourianski hahah [01:23]
JuliaTourianski i think him and you agree on more than you think [01:23]
mircea_popescu of course we do. [01:23]
JuliaTourianski "If I save myself from an adversary by retreating indoors and locking every entrance and exit, I may remain freer than if I had been captured by him, but am I freer than if I had defeated or captured him? If I go too far, contract myself into too small a space, I shall suffocate and die. The logical culmination of the process of destroying everything through which I can possibly be wounded is suicide. While I exist [01:23]
-berndj- hey +v me quickly please, i have something semi-relevant for julia [01:23]
mircea_popescu !up berndj [01:24]
-assbot- You voiced berndj for 30 minutes. [01:24]
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JuliaTourianski I can never be wholly secure. Total liberation in this sense (as Schopenhauer correctly perceived) is conferred only by death.28 [01:24]
berndj JuliaTourianski, do you know the book _48 laws of power_? your "sour grapes" comment reminded me, there's rule 36: Disdain things you cannot have: ignoring them is the best revenge [01:25]
JuliaTourianski berndj i have lately...been a master of this. [01:25]
JuliaTourianski i do know the book but i have yet to tread it [01:25]
JuliaTourianski read* [01:25]
undata I'm skeptical anyone who ever read a book called "48 Laws of Power" ever had any [01:26]
JuliaTourianski worth it? [01:26]
berndj totally! [01:26]
undata or if they did, it must've been the only thing on the toilet [01:26]
berndj lol undata many of its pages were indeed read on the toilet [01:26]
JuliaTourianski the who question on non-agression is interesting too [01:26]
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JuliaTourianski i said it was flawed in a mailing list and i got some very insulted ancaps on my case [01:27]
mircea_popescu !up Mobuis [01:27]
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JuliaTourianski Woman and man at a bar. They may or may not be flirting...each may interpret their interaction differently. Man grabs woman's ass. Woman punches man in face. Has there been a violation of the non-aggression principle? What if the woman liked it or wanted it, but felt embarrassed of her urges due to the public setting and retaliated in a way she felt redeemable. Or maybe she was abused as a child and the act de [01:28]
JuliaTourianski We can't know. So who aggressed against who? Should the man have asked to grab her ass first...well, that would contradict the entire concept of the mutual thrill of ass grabbing. [01:28]
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mircea_popescu o wait, english speakers actually know that exists ? [01:29]
mircea_popescu jesus it must suck. [01:29]
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danielpbarron try asking an "ancap" if you have the right to beat your own kids/wives/slaves on your own property [01:35]
mircea_popescu what's the location got to do with it !? [01:35]
jurov http://bugs.python.org/issue7143 at last! [01:36]
assbot Issue 7143: get_payload(decode=True) eats last newline in base64 encoded payload - Python tracker [01:36]
JuliaTourianski mircea_popescu did you run a porn site [01:37]
berndj mircea_popescu, presumably on a road, the owner of the road might require you to sign a contract that forbids beating your kids [01:37]
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mircea_popescu jurov ahahaha o god help us. that is like a canonical example of evil. [01:37]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski dja mea nthe 4chan clone ? [01:38]
mircea_popescu berndj can he now ? [01:38]
berndj can who now what? [01:39]
mircea_popescu can some dude owning a road require me anything. [01:39]
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JuliaTourianski danielpbarron most would sa no because NAP [01:41]
mircea_popescu ;;ud nap [01:41]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nap | nap. 3 hours of sleep or less. Zerostar took a nap from 2pm to 5pm. by GheTTo January 08, ... My roommate just left for class, so I think I'm going to take a nap. [01:41]
JuliaTourianski mircea_popescu so did u [01:42]
mircea_popescu so what's this nap ? [01:42]
RagnarDanneskjol she asks about pron likely b/c forum muppets derping about your random erotic art posts on 'lema [01:42]
JuliaTourianski what kind of porn was it [01:43]
BingoBoingo Oh no, RagnarDanneskjol MP once ran a chan site. Full of people posting n00dz [01:43]
JuliaTourianski i may break my abstinence tonight if this website still exists [01:43]
RagnarDanneskjol ah [01:44]
BingoBoingo Site was polimedia.us/dtng [01:44]
undata mircea_popescu: a religious notion that anarchists suppose would bring about peace on earth and good will towards men [01:44]
undata the non-aggression principle [01:44]
mircea_popescu oh, that. [01:44]
mircea_popescu eh, bs. [01:44]
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mircea_popescu what, the "i have no balls" tag was taken ? [01:45]
BingoBoingo Yeah, the *archists would reintroduce aggression [01:45]
BingoBoingo There's always going to be a *archy [01:46]
undata BingoBoingo: but... read this blog post about how mean it is [01:46]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski which webiste ? dtng was basically... a chan. you know, random people posting whatever. [01:46]
mircea_popescu if i recall there was a lengthy thread of naked women in star wars paraphenalia [01:46]
mircea_popescu weird shit like that. [01:46]
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BingoBoingo undata: Of course *archy is mean. Just avoid the robokleptarchy [01:47]
JuliaTourianski dissapointing [01:47]
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undata http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mp6C4g23uYo/hqdefault.jpg [01:52]
undata LOOOL [01:52]
RagnarDanneskjol did we just miss a golden opportunity to have miss T. break this abstinence streak? [01:52]
undata https://www.google.com/search?q=julia+tourianski [01:52]
assbot julia tourianski - Google Search [01:52]
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* BingoBoingo wonders what shitgnome introduced "non-aggression" into ananrchy. With the persistence of the *archy it would seem that aggression would be necessary in one's own defense. [01:54]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i;ll tell you how that went. dudes for some reason perceive the need to "sell" it, and since it's obvious that you can't sell something to someone that the someone;d perceive as a "worse" alternative, then necessarily it must be made so that anarchy is not more painful to the average derp than you know, the 1980s in the us. [01:58]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding that the only possible point to even having anarchy in the first place is to render the sorts of idiots that'd fall for it. [01:58]
undata "Those guys over there are organizing! Someone should stop them! But how?" [01:59]
BingoBoingo To think that 100 years ago anarchist aggression started a conflict among the euroarchists [02:00]
mircea_popescu twice. [02:00]
mircea_popescu before being coopted by the socialists, the russian revolution was pure anarchism. [02:00]
mircea_popescu for that matter, the us was quite a different beast before being coopted by the socialists to. [02:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mahno's or more generally? [02:01]
mircea_popescu it's funny, this particular bromilliad, sometimes catches root on a tree, then proceds to derp all about how you know, the purpose of the tree is it! [02:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform more generally. [02:01]
mircea_popescu even stalin was (and roughly stayed) an anarchist. [02:01]
mircea_popescu the purpose of trees, to hear the bromeliaceae tell it, is to one day support one! and in fact all life on earth evolves towards that peak of creation, a parasite plant of little notice. [02:03]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform merely consider the fact that the politbureau did not customarily seek to include the general opinion of the populace. not exactly socialism, this, is it ? [02:08]
mircea_popescu the chinese pretend themselves communists, but really... the us is more advanced on the socialist path than they are. [02:08]
asciilifeform usa just solved the 'problem' of popular opinion in a rather different way. [02:09]
joecool distraction? [02:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but at least the usian populace gets to pick which butt to be pictured bare. [02:09]
mircea_popescu the soviets had no equivalent input in the workings of pravda. [02:09]
asciilifeform really? i don't recall being asked - which butt. [02:10]
mircea_popescu you personally ? well no, that's not teh socialist way. [02:10]
mircea_popescu there's metrics, yo. [02:10]
asciilifeform aha. [02:10]
chetty but those are all made up [02:10]
mircea_popescu this entire sign things stuff we do is exactly antisocialist. [02:10]
asciilifeform in usa, they not only had better steel and semiconductors, back in the day, they also had better chumpatronics. [02:10]
asciilifeform which was the undoing. [02:10]
asciilifeform see also limonov's discussion re: 'hard' vs 'soft' totalitarianisms [02:11]
joecool even stalin was (and roughly stayed) an anarchist. < would you expound on this a bit? I have never seen that viewpoint expressed [02:11]
asciilifeform 'hard' is when you end up needing to physically restrain people, actually shoot dissenters, etc. [02:12]
mircea_popescu joecool well, consider his early life. guy robbed banks and generally lived as an outlaw. [02:12]
asciilifeform 'soft' - when the entire concept of meaningful resistance becomes a hard problem [02:12]
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mircea_popescu joecool on what grounds would you identify pre-1930 stalin as a socialist ? [02:12]
joecool mircea_popescu: ah so personally he ran his life as such is what you mean, not his government so much? [02:13]
mircea_popescu wait a second. what part of the "you folks are like blind kittens" is socialist, iyo ? [02:13]
mircea_popescu "i know better than you lot, you lot are stupid, not least of all for being a lot in the first place". [02:13]
mircea_popescu does this sound a lot like socialism to you ? [02:13]
joecool mircea_popescu: not thinking it was socialism, I just didn't consider it anarchism [02:13]
mircea_popescu he ran his government exactly like you'd expect a lifetime anarchist war hero to run a government. [02:14]
mircea_popescu broz tito did exactly the same thing. [02:14]
asciilifeform where are the mythical 'actual socialists' - and what is even the point of looking for them. [02:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i linked a youtube of a pirvulescu attack on ceausescu. [02:14]
undata not to derail, but I have to paste this here: http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shirt-is-holding-back-progress [02:15]
assbot I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is sexist and ostracizing | The Verge [02:15]
mircea_popescu that was exactly "career socialist vs anarchist that overtook the party" moment. [02:15]
undata apparently that guy's shirt is why women don't "science" [02:15]
mircea_popescu undata not sure why anyone cares what Chris Plante & Arielle Duhaime-Ross have to say on any topic. [02:15]
mircea_popescu they're the reason nobody reads the verge. [02:16]
undata mircea_popescu: representative of opinions you hear in Portland quite often [02:16]
mircea_popescu except i don't. :) [02:16]
undata ha, right. [02:16]
mircea_popescu * at that moment, undata was enlightened * lol [02:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, to be noted that the european space agency did it. the us relevancy, like the mass of the comet, withering away by the minute. [02:17]
* mircea_popescu recalls the eu space agency early on, such a risible attempt. [02:17]
mircea_popescu you know, back when the euro "didn't have a chance", and like the canadian dollar, traded under the usd. [02:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform here's one for ya : a google for McIlroy produces a solid pages of derpage about some random kid playing golf. [02:25]
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asciilifeform lol! [02:26]
mircea_popescu i have a lot of sympathy for kids trying to piece together some shard of understanding out of isaiah berlin, rory mcilroy and ronald mcdonald. [02:27]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [02:28]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/345DS4X.txt ) [02:28]
BingoBoingo http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/11/beirut-cops-cant-tell-hipsters-from-jihadis.html [02:28]
assbot Beirut Cops Can’t Tell Hipsters From Jihadis -- NYMag [02:28]
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mircea_popescu moreso than for their parents, trying to do the same out of marx, ziggler, carnegey and whatever other fitness trainers and pop-philosophers the almanacs would print. [02:29]
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mircea_popescu http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/unix-nature.html << not bad, incidentally. [02:31]
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gernika cazalla might this be related enough to bitcoin to cover?: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-declares-new-currency-will-be-circulated-in-its-bid-to-establish-caliphate-across-syria-and-iraq-9859752.html [02:32]
assbot Isis declares new currency will be circulated in its bid to establish caliphate across Syria and Iraq - Middle East - World - The Independent [02:32]
cazalla gernika, are you trying to get me arrested for promoting ISIS? [02:34]
gernika No [02:34]
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asciilifeform nah, for promoting gold. [02:34]
mircea_popescu lol that bad is it ? [02:34]
cazalla mircea_popescu, they kicked down the door of one muslim family for having a plastic sword so yeah [02:34]
mircea_popescu nuts [02:35]
BingoBoingo Eh, I'll write an ISIS coin article then. [02:35]
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cazalla gernika, i can't say i'm that interested in promoting altcoins but thanks for the tip [02:36]
gernika cazalla are gold and silver altcoins? [02:38]
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gernika Just seems to run contrary to the usgovmedia claim that ISIS is using bitcoin. [02:40]
cazalla gernika, we have bitcoin so yeah, at least personally [02:40]
mircea_popescu they've not actually made that claim, have they ? [02:40]
mircea_popescu other than gossip [02:40]
gernika mircea_popescu you're right - the claim is that it *could* be used by them I suppose. [02:41]
cazalla some media claimed so but it was just an ISIS fansite requesting bitcoin donations to pay for hosting [02:41]
mircea_popescu clearly terrorist internet funbux then. [02:41]
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asciilifeform they'd need to find a way to replace ecdsa with an equivalent of caesar's cipher first. [02:42]
asciilifeform (who was it who had a piece on how supposed 'enemies of usa' are required, by the laws of god himself, to use idiotically childlike crypto? was it mircea_popescu ?) [02:43]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/ that ? [02:43]
assbot The danger of homebrew crypto pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:43]
asciilifeform aha. [02:43]
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jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html finally something [02:52]
asciilifeform 'signed by' ? [02:52]
jurov there will be sigs from other people [02:52]
asciilifeform i'd suggest showing original patch author's sig also [02:52]
jurov also, it will be hyperlinked to messages in archive [02:53]
jurov yes, that will be link from "submitted by" [02:53]
mircea_popescu o hey nice! [02:53]
asciilifeform (one could hypothetically have a patch 'submitted by' mr x but 'signed by' mr y [02:53]
jurov the original singature [02:53]
asciilifeform or does 'submitted by' always refer to original sig [02:53]
jurov mhm ok [02:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that anything needs a 1st signature to even be sumitted is not abad design decision [02:53]
mircea_popescu well yeah, obviously. right jurov ? [02:53]
jurov yes, without 1st sig it won't appear there [02:54]
jurov also, ascii as right pentester scattered multiple dots in the filename so it got shortened [02:56]
asciilifeform lol! [02:56]
jurov it's incredible how he happened to hit multiple bugs at once [02:56]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:56]
thestringpuller http://www.cnbc.com/id/102183717 << Hahaha [02:56]
mircea_popescu maybe he knew what he was doing ? [02:56]
mircea_popescu jurov incidentally, gimme the short version, how do i submit to this thing ? [02:57]
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asciilifeform jurov: i got yet another copy of 'patch' in email. i presume you are turning the knobs as we speak? [02:58]
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jurov http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev "Submitting patches" [02:58]
mircea_popescu ty [02:58]
jurov can;'t get much shorter [02:58]
asciilifeform !up ml.therealbitcoin.org [02:58]
asciilifeform damn [02:58]
asciilifeform ;;isup ml.therealbitcoin.org [02:58]
gribble ml.therealbitcoin.org is down [02:58]
mircea_popescu yeah did it just die ? [02:58]
jurov therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev [02:59]
jurov sry ml. is for internal use only [02:59]
asciilifeform someone (who read it!) try signing my patch ? [02:59]
asciilifeform see if displays. [03:00]
mircea_popescu jurov specifically, is there any way for me to submit signature comments ? [03:00]
jurov reply to the thread? [03:00]
asciilifeform jurov: how would he (or anyone else) submit a detached sig meant to go with a particular patch ? [03:00]
asciilifeform in such a way that it displays under 'signed by' [03:01]
jurov by using the file name [03:01]
mircea_popescu "Recommended process is to pipe the signed message text directly to mailx or similar client without ambitions." ahahaha gotta love jurov. [03:01]
jurov like [03:01]
asciilifeform jurov: wouldn't this result in duplicates ? [03:01]
jurov wget http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20141112/bitcoin-asciilifeform_a6ada6bb9cebb9540df1fda3465d942a4631d202.2-https_snipsnip.patch [03:01]
mircea_popescu jurov but suppose i wish to say "reviewed X part ; Y part outside of my comprehension". can not be done ? [03:01]
* asciilifeform does not ever want to read duplicates [03:01]
jurov gpg -b bitcoin-asciilifeform_a6ada6bb9cebb9540df1fda3465d942a4631d202.2-https_snipsnip.patch [03:01]
jurov it will make blablabla...hexporn.patch.sig [03:02]
jurov send this file under this name as attachment [03:02]
mircea_popescu so basically, the correct approach here would have been for ascii to make a patch for each individual diff ? [03:02]
jurov it pairs the sig to the patch by name [03:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have an idea here. if this actually plays out, you would say to me: 'i will not sign X. because i grok X.a but not X.b. please split into two, and i shall sign X.a, or go on to explain to me precisely how X.b works.' [03:02]
jurov you mean individual hunks? [03:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but what if you communicating with me is impractical ? because say, you're dead. [03:03]
mircea_popescu jurov yes. [03:03]
asciilifeform well, when i'm dead, someone else (e.g. you) can cut X into X.a and X.b [03:03]
mircea_popescu well no, because then all the history is lost. [03:03]
jurov mircea_popescu: if stan is dead you'll split it yourself and resend with your sigs [03:03]
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asciilifeform X.b will sit, as an orphan, inside a comment thread, until the fateful day that someone picks it up, and signs it, and convinces others to. [03:03]
mircea_popescu and what of the 500 orher dead people that signed his ? [03:03]
asciilifeform aha what jurov said [03:04]
jurov i dunno how it can be cryptographically linked [03:04]
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asciilifeform eventually all signatures belong to the dead. [03:04]
mircea_popescu right. [03:04]
mircea_popescu so for this reason, all patches must be mononuclear ? [03:04]
asciilifeform that was my original suggestion. [03:05]
asciilifeform that a patch, a particular one, is a particular identifiable 'thing.' [03:05]
mircea_popescu so what happened to the suggestion ? [03:05]
asciilifeform e.g., 'here we burn gavin's broadcaster out with hot iron.' [03:05]
asciilifeform 'here we remove https.' [03:05]
jurov which suggestion? [03:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform his. [03:05]
mircea_popescu oops. jurov asciilifeform's. [03:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39845 @ 0.00045202 = 18.0107 BTC [+] {2} [03:06]
asciilifeform to be clear, my suggestion concerned how to write patches. [03:06]
mircea_popescu anyway, even if they are all mononuclear, there's still semantic value to be had. suppose i wish to say "have read and understood this to do what it says ; have not tested it in fact". [03:06]
mircea_popescu should this be verboten, and all or nothing commitment upon signer ? [03:06]
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asciilifeform this was actually a point i brought up when mircea_popescu said 'one day you shall earn bread by signing code' or something to that effect [03:07]
jurov for thi there's the mailman archive [03:07]
asciilifeform my question was, that day, 'sign under what' [03:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know. [03:07]
jurov otherwise i hve no idea how to put such semantic metainfo in the db [03:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you do appreciate the following point : up until and in any case unless one actually had to put his own signature, these matters never have been seriously considered by asnyone. [03:07]
mircea_popescu so in that sense, great progress. [03:08]
asciilifeform these matters were considered by engineers since hammurabi. [03:08]
jurov maybe you want to rate the patch? lol [03:08]
mircea_popescu jurov im not even sure it should be there. [03:08]
jurov ;;rate -1 sketchy [03:08]
gribble Error: 'sketchy' is not a valid integer. [03:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean specifically about patches to foss. [03:08]
asciilifeform aha [03:08]
mircea_popescu or for any other system where stuff can be changed / "contributed" by "nobody". but anyway, we digress. [03:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do me the courtesy and resubmit as mono patches and then the new ones can win the longer sigchain race with the original one ? [03:09]
asciilifeform mono patches? [03:10]
mircea_popescu 1 change per patch. [03:10]
asciilifeform 1 change as in, 1 line? [03:10]
jurov well, the https one is pretty compact [03:10]
mircea_popescu shit the hard questions you ask. [03:10]
* asciilifeform is a little confused here [03:10]
mircea_popescu i dunno ;/ [03:10]
jurov if it will be shorter, it could not compilke [03:10]
mircea_popescu what should "one" mean in this fortran ? [03:10]
asciilifeform when i originally suggested 'one change', it was a semantic thing [03:10]
asciilifeform as in, 'and here we remove the nuclear detonator' [03:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah. [03:11]
asciilifeform rather than 'one line of code' (try reading the result!) or somesuch. [03:11]
mircea_popescu jurov seems the site needs the extension of a "patch notes" clickable field ? [03:11]
asciilifeform in that respect, all of the patches i (and the 2 other fellows) offered so far, are monolithic. [03:11]
mircea_popescu and similarly, signatures get a "sig notes" following them, like signed by 01ABFFC7(n) 02ABFFC7(n) etc [03:11]
jurov yes, it's in pipeline [03:12]
mircea_popescu seems to me this'd resolve all outstanding problems. [03:12]
asciilifeform so what will be the convention for submitting 'patch note with sig' ? [03:12]
mircea_popescu as to the meaning ? [03:13]
jurov put clearsigned note into email body [03:13]
asciilifeform also i don't remember if i reminded anyone of this, but unix 'patch' utility is rather braindead. [03:13]
jurov or first att [03:13]
asciilifeform in that, for example, all of the patches submitted so far will break if one is removed from the chain. [03:13]
jurov and detached sig as second att [03:13]
asciilifeform (line number idiocy) [03:13]
mircea_popescu jurov sample code for mailx in the help file would help a great deal. [03:13]
mircea_popescu i know this from the mpex faq days. [03:14]
jurov mircea_popescu: gpg --clearsign | mailx btc-dev@therealbitcoin.org [03:14]
jurov this needs explicit mention? [03:14]
mircea_popescu jurov this handles the attachment scheme you wish to use ? [03:14]
jurov oh that, mailx does not handle attachments [03:15]
asciilifeform jurov: this is not a working example [03:15]
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mircea_popescu well if mailx doesn'tdo attachments then why do you suggest people use it to mail you attachments lol. [03:15]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [03:16]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.23, Best ask: 410.66, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 410.2, 24 hour volume: 49225.83783296, 24 hour low: 381.55, 24 hour high: 453.92, 24 hour vwap: 419.932867651 [03:16]
jurov i suggested it for text.. but yes it's dumb [03:16]
jurov apparently it actually does with uuencode..okay another todo [03:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72350 @ 0.00045058 = 32.5995 BTC [-] {2} [03:18]
mircea_popescu anyway, i'd say this is progressing nicely. [03:18]
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nubbins` i must not derp. derping is the mind-killer. [03:33]
nubbins` derping is the little stupidity that leads to total insolvency [03:33]
mircea_popescu lol if this cult thing catches on we can even have derpfessions. "have you derped my son ?" [03:33]
nubbins` i will face my derp [03:33]
nubbins` i will permit it to pass over me and through me [03:33]
mircea_popescu there could be a new disease, the derpes... [03:33]
asciilifeform http://static.oper.ru/data/site/obama.png [03:34]
nubbins` HAHAHAHAHAHAHA [03:34]
nubbins` derpes simplex [03:34]
nubbins` my actual sides [03:34]
mircea_popescu as in, "kissing Arielle Duhaime-Ross will give you herpes, but reading her inanity in the verge will give you derpes" [03:34]
asciilifeform (from, naturally, rt: http://russian.rt.com/article/58508#ixzz3IUAu0a71 ) [03:34]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, what ?! [03:35]
BingoBoingo Watch our for the monkeys with Derpes B [03:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: misprint. they fired the monkey. [03:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you mean derpes c++ ? [03:35]
asciilifeform it was 'osama' originally. [03:35]
mircea_popescu oic lol [03:35]
nubbins` EATS THE TRAILING NEWLINE <<< fwiw deeds eats the trailing [03:36]
nubbins` srsly, won't verify with it [03:36]
nubbins` yes [03:36]
ben_vulpes wow did you assholes poop out 1600 lines today? [03:36]
nubbins` !s deed utils [03:37]
assbot 6 results for 'deed utils' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=deed+utils [03:37]
mircea_popescu ;;google wasn't me [03:37]
gribble Shaggy - It Wasn't Me - YouTube: ; It Wasn't Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; It Wasn't Me Lyrics Shaggy - Genius: [03:37]
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ben_vulpes heyo jurov mailthing still ongoing saga? [03:37]
nubbins` jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2014#908001 [03:37]
assbot Logged on 03-11-2014 17:23:14; nubbins`: tool for predicting deed ID of clearsigned file: http://pastebin.com/Ls76h1kd [03:37]
nubbins` line 11 [03:37]
mircea_popescu odd [03:38]
nubbins` i grab the base64 deed via json when verifying [03:38]
nubbins` but it's not necessary to b64 anything [03:39]
ben_vulpes hah you guys got nubbins` programming? [03:39]
nubbins` 5 years in the trenches, baby [03:39]
ben_vulpes (again)? [03:40]
nubbins` no. never again. [03:40]
nubbins` but try as i may, some parts of my old brain just won't reformat [03:40]
mircea_popescu coding is like buttsex, can be enjoyable if well paced. [03:41]
nubbins` jurov fwiw some (most?) text editors append a
at the end of text files
[03:41]
nubbins` i know pico does [03:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: also in the permanent deformations of the respective organs. [03:41]
nubbins` heh [03:41]
mircea_popescu that's a myth. [03:42]
mircea_popescu i bet you you can't pikc out butt virgins in a line-up. [03:42]
* asciilifeform can only speak for the programming [03:42]
mircea_popescu not unless the actual women open up. [03:42]
nubbins` jurov true. upon reopening the file it's there [03:42]
nubbins` but... [03:42]
nubbins` how does one save a text file that doesn't end in
?
[03:42]
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nubbins` not so easy [03:42]
ben_vulpes so does the patchpusher work or not? [03:42]
mircea_popescu prototype works, more stuff to be added. [03:43]
nubbins` truthfully i wonder if deedbot shouldn't be stripping the trailing [03:43]
mircea_popescu why ? [03:43]
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nubbins` ehh [03:43]
nubbins` i don't know ;/ [03:43]
mircea_popescu lmao [03:44]
mircea_popescu maybe darcs should strip the trailing
then ?
[03:44]
nubbins` why in the fuck do text editors add it in the first place? [03:44]
nubbins` mildly amusing that this is the most difficult part of all this stuff, in the meantime [03:45]
mircea_popescu yup [03:45]
undata nubbins`: some farty unix convention [03:45]
undata http://stackoverflow.com/questions/729692/why-should-files-end-with-a-newline [03:45]
assbot history - Why should files end with a newline? - Stack Overflow [03:45]
nubbins` i assumed it was so if you spat the file out, the bash prompt would be on a new line [03:46]
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undata everyone in that thread is just saying that they're "supposed to" [03:47]
mircea_popescu nubbins` im pretty sure that's what it is. [03:47]
nubbins` well i can see what they mean [03:47]
nubbins` you dirty a line, you provide a clean one to the next guy [03:47]
asciilifeform !s postel's law [03:48]
assbot 3 results for 'postel's law' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=postel%27s+law [03:48]
nubbins` so maybe deedbot shouldn't be stripping the
at eof
[03:48]
* asciilifeform not enamoured with postel's law [03:48]
nubbins` punkman ^ [03:48]
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nubbins` http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_206 [03:50]
assbot Definitions [03:50]
mircea_popescu !up hank_ [03:51]
-assbot- You voiced hank_ for 30 minutes. [03:51]
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asciilifeform http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2826980/Winston-Churchill-s-bid-nuke-Russia-win-Cold-War-uncovered-secret-FBI-files.html << ideal example of 'crank bait' method. perfectly factual allegation, regarded as nearly hundred percent proven by ru historians for decades. 'smoking gun' finally out. what does lizard hitler do? orders it printed in 'daily mail.' [03:54]
assbot Winston Churchill's 'bid to nuke Russia' to win Cold War uncovered | Daily Mail Online [03:54]
asciilifeform 'what kind of fool would believe document from 'daily mail' ?' [03:55]
mircea_popescu the romanian epxression is, "perfidul albion" [03:56]
asciilifeform lol! [03:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, nothing remarkable there. it's to be used like any other thing. [04:00]
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asciilifeform as a 'zoologist' of these, can't help but notice the extraordinarily-obvious specimen in the wild. [04:01]
cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/cryptocoinsnews-disable-your-adblocker/ [04:01]
assbot CryptoCoinsNews: Disable Your Adblocker! | Qntra.net [04:01]
mircea_popescu lawl [04:02]
mircea_popescu !s David Parker [04:02]
assbot 1 results for 'David Parker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=David+Parker [04:02]
undata speaking of unremarkable news: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/13/us-military-considers-troops-iraq-general [04:02]
assbot US military considers sending combat troops to battle Isis forces in Iraq | US news | The Guardian [04:03]
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undata I guess Iraq is the ditch we want to die in [04:03]
ben_vulpes yes [04:03]
ben_vulpes double down [04:03]
ben_vulpes more shellshock in the populace [04:03]
ben_vulpes actually probably less cuz drones, n'est? [04:03]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/13/eric-frein-terrorism-charges-pennsylvania-police-ambush [04:04]
assbot Eric Frein to face terrorism charges over fatal Pennsylvania police ambush | US news | The Guardian [04:04]
cazalla mircea_popescu, prolly a fake name, i've searched and searched and there is nothing on this guy [04:04]
undata ben_vulpes: this us heading back in with marines [04:04]
undata *is us [04:04]
mircea_popescu cazalla yeah, it's a fake name. [04:04]
mircea_popescu prolly the gaw dude himself. [04:04]
mircea_popescu "Charge based on letter by Frein calling for revolution" << :D [04:04]
undata ben_vulpes: the classic "just the tip" maneuver [04:05]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seemed inevitable [04:05]
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mircea_popescu undata the funny part is, the us got so fucking raped in iraq it's hard to describe. now they want to go for round two ? [04:14]
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mircea_popescu it's impractical, 2000s us could borrow the 50trn they used. 2015s us can not. [04:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remaining u.s. physical industry is 99% iraq-based (that is, hardware whose inventory must be churned in some iraq or other.) [04:15]
asciilifeform so, gotta churn inventory. [04:15]
mircea_popescu it's not inventory unless you can replace it. [04:15]
mircea_popescu to make it perfectly clear : any sunk cruiser reduces the total count of cruisers the us will ever have by 1. [04:16]
mircea_popescu every downed plane is downed for good. [04:16]
asciilifeform those who order the churn, have no concept that there will not be replacement ordered. [04:16]
mircea_popescu perpahs. [04:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, if anyone has a direct interest in the welfare of the poor grunts involved, like loved ones or w/e : [04:16]
BingoBoingo Oh look, its the S.MPOE market cap: https://twitter.com/ScottWuerz/status/533076669419245568 [04:17]
assbot So much for speculation about no more 10-yr deals. Heyman says MIA taking w/Stanton about a 12-yr, $300 mil deal. How will they afford it? [04:17]
mircea_popescu the coming iraq campaign will be the first one the us soldiers will not have enough boots and shit. maybe best enlist for something else. [04:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00044459 = 12.6708 BTC [+] {3} [04:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not the first. i vaguely recall '1 flak jacket for 3 men' in the last one [04:17]
asciilifeform mats_cd03 ^^ ? [04:17]
undata mircea_popescu: they didn't even have enough armor, etc., last time [04:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform flak jackets != boots. [04:17]
mircea_popescu yes, trhey were short materiel. [04:18]
mircea_popescu this time they will be short toilet paper and toothpaste. [04:18]
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BingoBoingo I recall they were short on toilet paper and toothpaste last time. I recall solicitations for "care packages" consisting of basic necessities when I was at school. [04:19]
asciilifeform saw this, yes [04:19]
asciilifeform the one that always got me was the donation box for 'books' [04:19]
asciilifeform yes, generic 'books.' [04:19]
asciilifeform brought to mind the possibility that these were to be used in lieu of toilet paper. [04:19]
mircea_popescu wouldn't that come with a "no bibles please" ? [04:20]
asciilifeform they get those from usg. [04:20]
BingoBoingo They really do [04:20]
mircea_popescu as in, too smooth for use. [04:20]
asciilifeform aha. [04:20]
asciilifeform and printed on telephone book paper. [04:20]
mircea_popescu should be funny to see when the first supposed army uniot goes native. [04:21]
mircea_popescu happened to the late romans a whole heck of a lot more than they ever cared to admit [04:21]
undata I can't rub two coherent thoughts together that make going back to Iraq a good idea. [04:21]
undata mass delusion? [04:21]
BingoBoingo I thought that was linked here not too long ago, except they went native at their own station. [04:22]
mircea_popescu in fact, it was the premier driver behind the eventual move to mercenaries, something otherwise politically incomprehensible for today's curious student. [04:22]
undata so this islamic state consolidates parts of the middle east? that's probably a great thing. [04:22]
mircea_popescu but the politicos of the time were caught in the very real vice of "well, rome's poor or the vandals, about as trustworthy" [04:22]
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mircea_popescu undata not for local women. [04:22]
asciilifeform this is why no going native. [04:22]
undata mircea_popescu: certainly not. neither is the current circumstance though [04:23]
asciilifeform who the hell wants to go native - there. [04:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform every young man. [04:23]
asciilifeform american? [04:23]
mircea_popescu undata women are principally distinguished by a preference for the shit they know. [04:23]
mircea_popescu that's actually what womanhood MEANS. [04:23]
undata hm. [04:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure. think about it : be the gods of their age group ? instead of going home to hear a stupid bitchfest, stay with the people where rape is something you're supposed to do ? [04:24]
mircea_popescu why were they in the army in the first place,. to police reddit ? [04:24]
asciilifeform to get their teeth done. [04:24]
mircea_popescu maybe. [04:24]
undata if we see IS as an actual threat, we really must be in sore shape. [04:24]
mircea_popescu notice that in a group of 100k idiots, you may end up with a subgroup of 100 or 10 idiots of any particular braindamage you wish. [04:24]
BingoBoingo to get their teeth done. << One cousin enlisted for this reason. Now afraid of dentists. [04:25]
mircea_popescu i can readily see numerous angles through which retiring from the us military to baghdad rather than kansas is preferable to the 19 yo mind. [04:25]
mircea_popescu really, the lucky aspect for the us army officers is that the arabs don't bother to learn english. otherwise, the sheer cultural pressure would probably make "boots on ground" untenable. [04:26]
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asciilifeform the phase transition may be the point where we leave 'desertion means no more toilet paper' and move to 'desertion means access to toilet paper.' [04:27]
mircea_popescu it's already "desertion means leaving a world that you don't understand" and move to "desertion means joining a world you easily do" [04:28]
asciilifeform (or more fantastic example - ice cream. i have it on good authority that many american units in iraq were supplied even with it.) [04:28]
mircea_popescu lol why wouldn't they be ?! [04:28]
asciilifeform because wtf. [04:29]
mircea_popescu icecream has been a part of rations since vietnam [04:29]
asciilifeform somebody wake up mats_cd03. [04:30]
asciilifeform or perhaps he is already being shaved and fitted with new uniform for the next gig. [04:31]
* BingoBoingo recalls friend telling stories that when the was in the Infantry every few weeks he'd have to watch the Airforce at his base have friendly BBQ's with thier Afghans [04:31]
undata a brother of a friend was in fallujah; I've heard a few of his stories, and they weren't about iced cream. [04:32]
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undata why "IS"? I'm sure he and others clearing houses of everything that moved didn't help. [04:33]
BingoBoingo The spectrum of US Armed forces experiences this past decade is a wide one. The cousin nao afraid of dentist in his whole time enlisted in the marines was either in the US or on a boat. [04:33]
BingoBoingo Well, ISI* probably because 'Murica wasn't as scary as Saddam, so Pro Idiotas had room [04:34]
BingoBoingo And eventually after some embarrassment they have less ideas and America leaves, then ??? ISIL [04:35]
BingoBoingo Pretty much the story of Los Zetas, but in reverse [04:36]
mircea_popescu something like that. woman previously married to some hard drinking bozo meets a phthisc young man who's a "student" whatever that may mean. the three quarrel, the kid ends up killing the man, talks the woman up a storm then... leaves ? [04:37]
mircea_popescu she's too horny to go to bed so she fucks a coupla passing bums, with disastrous effects. [04:37]
BingoBoingo Los Zetas started as a bunch of experts, but finite hit points and now the human shields are in charge and Nuevo Laredo can't have a nice hooker district anymore [04:38]
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mircea_popescu http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/09/201191010256505546.html [04:41]
assbot The West's self-licking ice cream cones - Opinion - Al Jazeera English [04:41]
mircea_popescu somewhat related. [04:41]
mircea_popescu As far as I am aware, the phrase came into usage among knowing observers of the Vietnam War. A self-licking ice cream cone is a programme or policy that costs money and resources, generating a great deal of activity; produces indicators of its own success, preferably quantitative; but does not actually achieve its announced goals. Indeed, a proper self-licking cone undermines the very purposes for which it was created, [04:42]
mircea_popescu while at the same time sucking in ever more resources from worthy and effective activities. [04:42]
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cazalla mircea_popescu: icecream has been a part of rations since vietnam <<< lt dan, icecream! [04:42]
asciilifeform self-licking ice cream cone << i learned the phrase from mr. mold, who used it to describe u.s. academia. [04:43]
mircea_popescu More targets meant more bombing, and more bombing meant a bigger role for the USAF. The result was more budget, more planes, and career advancement for all concerned. [04:43]
mircea_popescu The only problem was that the bombing was helping lose the war. Predictably, the peasants turned against Saigon, leading to the introduction of US ground forces in 1965. Like the “body count”, the number of “structures” destroyed had no relation to actually winning the war. It was an indicator of organisational “success” wholly divorced from reality, and from the values that the organisation was supposed to [04:43]
mircea_popescu be serving. The USAF was killing the very peasants it was there to save from communism. [04:43]
mircea_popescu pretty much the story of iraq v1 and v2, for that matter. [04:43]
mircea_popescu a bureaucracy is history-less, in that it is incapable of learning from its mistakes, just like amoeba is incapable of learning writing. [04:44]
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mircea_popescu it will follow the sugar gradient and that's all it does. [04:44]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/rOmIAe1.jpg [04:44]
nubbins` dat silkscreened photograph [04:44]
mircea_popescu nubbins` how much did that run cost ? [04:44]
mircea_popescu o nm, it's not a book, it's a poster. [04:45]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/6qVTCuK.jpg close up [04:46]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/04rtgLI.jpg unsuccessful attempt w/ stochastic dots [04:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67250 @ 0.00043619 = 29.3338 BTC [-] {3} [04:47]
* BingoBoingo remembers publishing a poetry book at a ninety something percent loss. -ISBN-(sample copies)+(~7 dollars in ebook revenue from Austrialia) = Loss, I was enlightened, also a week later on lithium [04:48]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo how many sales is 7 bux ? [04:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: 20 or so I believe. I think on ebooks I got 30%. "Self" publishing is a racket [04:50]
mircea_popescu indeed. [04:50]
BingoBoingo But I was young, dumb, and in grad school pt. 1 [04:51]
mircea_popescu unless you actually self publish. asylum ended up costing about 1.40 per copy, printfiles -> distributor warehouse. [04:51]
BingoBoingo Yeah. In the aftermath I did the math on, "What if I actually had something worth publishing on tree cadavers" [04:52]
mircea_popescu basically, everywhere guis are a racket. [04:54]
mircea_popescu when one approaches you with the proposition of "making things easy" what he means is, your wallet. easier to carry. [04:54]
mircea_popescu things that can be easy already are. things that aren't easy can't be made "easier". if you can't afford a house, taking credit doesn't make the house easier. etc. [04:55]
asciilifeform the great crime of the 'easy self publishing' of today's automagic laser-printer-with-binding-machine is... on the reader. [04:55]
asciilifeform not long ago, i opened yet another envelope in expectation of finding 'a book that was actually a book once' and got an ms-word formatted turd [04:56]
BingoBoingo Oh, and original resolution of the NL MVP Stanton bet ended up being right. You can have the mods clear out all of that penny sports bet baseball spam nao [04:56]
asciilifeform with contents to match. [04:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform o btw, does the end product of my first foray into that industry suck ? [04:56]
asciilifeform it's a riot, actually [04:56]
asciilifeform i was thinking of a different envelope. [04:56]
mircea_popescu i mean as a product. the thing itself. [04:56]
mircea_popescu teh item [04:56]
mircea_popescu i ask you for i suspect you've read books before. [04:57]
asciilifeform lol [04:57]
mircea_popescu (true story, gave one to woman, she's like "oh this is so nice, i've never read a book before!" [04:57]
mircea_popescu intending it as a sort of compliment i guess ?) [04:57]
asciilifeform ;;google is that a real program or is that something somebody wrote [04:57]
gribble Programming Sucks - Still Drinking: ; Will Smith Quotes (Author of Just the Two of Us) - Goodreads: ; How To Become A Hacker - Catb.org: [04:57]
asciilifeform damn, wish i could find that ancient piece. [04:58]
* BingoBoingo was disappointed in the quality of his print on demand turd. The spine was an outie... [04:58]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pod sucked for a long time [04:58]
BingoBoingo On a paperback [04:58]
mircea_popescu by now it's maibe okish [04:58]
BingoBoingo Twas 2009, POD had been a thing for a while [04:58]
asciilifeform by now they have it to the level of the crappier mass-produced books. [04:59]
BingoBoingo I mean it's solid. I didn't get gyp'd on glue [04:59]
asciilifeform still can't get, afaik, 'lay-flats' other than the spiral variety [04:59]
asciilifeform lay-flat requires, i think, saddle-stitch binding [04:59]
asciilifeform rather than glue [04:59]
asciilifeform for what it's worth, i routinely use 'lulu.com' as a personal printer. [05:00]
asciilifeform works great. [05:00]
BingoBoingo If I were to imagine a serious book piracy operation, the standard glue "Perfect" binding would be prefered [05:00]
BingoBoingo Lulu.com was my printer too! [05:00]
asciilifeform they have, afaik, the whole thing automated. from 'pdf' to mailing crate. [05:01]
asciilifeform quite possibly no human ever even sees the result. [05:01]
asciilifeform when i say 'personal printer', i mean, in lieu of an actual printer. [05:01]
asciilifeform of the kind one may keep on a desk. [05:01]
asciilifeform for instance, i like, e.g., ic data sheets, in dead tree. [05:02]
BingoBoingo Ah [05:02]
asciilifeform i don't own a computer 'fast' enough to 'flip' a pdf the way a dead tree heap can be flipped, and not sure if such a machine even exists. [05:02]
mircea_popescu "Would you drive across this bridge? No. If it somehow got built, everybody involved would be executed. Yet some version of this dynamic wrote every single program you have ever used, banking software, websites, and a ubiquitously used program that was supposed to protect information on the internet but didn't." [05:02]
mircea_popescu which is why i am so keen on executions. [05:03]
asciilifeform yeah i think we did that one here [05:03]
asciilifeform not the article in question though [05:03]
cazalla " Earlier in 2014, the SEC investigated Eric Voorhees for the unregistered sale of securities of SatoshiDICE and FeedZeBirds, using the Romanian online crowdsale platform MPEx to solicit investors from 2012 to 2013." [05:03]
asciilifeform but for some reason yes, google brings it up for 'real program or something somebody wrote' [05:03]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I wrote a piece on that once [05:03]
mircea_popescu cazalla let me guess, they sourced it and everything. [05:03]
mircea_popescu which is how they got the wrong year. [05:04]
cazalla http://www.kattenlaw.com/showadvisory.aspx?Show=47630 if you are interested [05:04]
assbot Recent Key Bitcoin and Virtual Currency Regulatory and Law Enforcement Developments | Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP [05:04]
BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-sec-bares-its-gums-and-settles-with-erik/ cazalla [05:04]
assbot The SEC Bares its Gums and Settles with Erik | Bingo Blog [05:04]
cazalla BingoBoingo, i've read that, this is just something i come across while looking for news [05:04]
mircea_popescu well, i guess this is a good point for anyone considering using Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP : don't. [05:04]
mircea_popescu they're too lazy to do their research and sprout nonsense in their pr. imagine the sort of horribru buried in their court filings [05:05]
BingoBoingo Oh, so like the think that got shat into news about litecoin mining which was settled last year [05:05]
mircea_popescu admitting anyone was to date naive enough to allow them to file on his behalf. [05:05]
mircea_popescu anyway, one of those fast food chains of legal practice. high churn, large staff of largely unqualified lawyers on dead end career tracks, whole thing kept together by paralegals, somewhat. [05:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: found it!! >> https://www.mail-archive.com/kragen-tol@canonical.org/msg00184.html [05:07]
assbot my evolution as a programmer [05:07]
asciilifeform original link dead many years ago, but - mirror. [05:07]
asciilifeform (why this was relevant - i will explain later. assuming anyone still cares. and is awake.) [05:08]
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BingoBoingo I'm awake for a while. Winter came. Interfered with my sleep [05:10]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> unless you actually self publish. <<< preach it [05:10]
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nubbins` vanity publishing is often a break-even venture at best [05:11]
mircea_popescu i'm awake because real cults don't sleep, they wait. [05:11]
nubbins` cthulhu fh'tagn [05:11]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what i meant was a distinction between self publishing, ie, being the editor, and self-rape, ie, being the customer of an editor specialised in raping idiots. [05:11]
nubbins` nod, full agreement here [05:12]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is exactly how hiring a lawyer has worked since at last the 60s [05:12]
mircea_popescu and how hiring a doctor is starting to be, too. [05:12]
nubbins` you gotta fight for your health here [05:13]
nubbins` digging in your heels is the only way [05:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform can you summarily introduce "menu-lookup" writing of glue code for the innocent ? [05:13]
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mircea_popescu "Is that a real program or is that something somebody wrote?" << ah yea, now this makes sense. i had the exact same notion, for exactly the same reason. a "real program" was something that didn't need to use the z80 basic interpreter, wasn't editable for this reason, and this immutability was cool. then on the msdos system, .exe binaries exactly mapped on this same structure of cool. [05:17]
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nubbins` the day i realized i could just type spcinvad instead of spcinvad.exe!! [05:18]
mircea_popescu i loved deathtrack, and i spent a while finetuning the sound implementation of basic to make the same laser sound. [05:19]
mircea_popescu i think in the end i got it, and so i could fire as much as i wanted, no concern for bs "laser heating" [05:20]
mircea_popescu then i plugged a led into the serial port and had it blink when i lasered too, and this i think was the pinnacle of achievement. [05:20]
nubbins` openbazaar is going to change thzzzzzzz [05:20]
nubbins` oo a hud for your laser [05:21]
nubbins` nb [05:21]
mircea_popescu imagine this, a 12 yo could figure out the serial port interface in ms-dos, without even knowing wtf a port or an interface are. [05:21]
mircea_popescu and with a led, mind, which only works on certain voltage going a certain way. [05:22]
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nubbins` that 12yo must have grown up to be the smartest man alive [05:26]
mircea_popescu as it just so happens, that theory is about to get tested. [05:28]
mircea_popescu "Write a program that prints the numbers from 1 to 100. But for multiples of three print “Fizz” instead of the number and for the multiples of five print “Buzz”. For numbers which are multiples of both three and five print “FizzBuzz”. [05:28]
mircea_popescu for i x to y output + Fizz if i|3 output + Buzz if i|5 output + i if output is empty. [05:29]
mircea_popescu do i pass ? [05:29]
nubbins` i think if the current smartest man can't say for sure, then yes [05:32]
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xanthyos ok i may be wasting my time but i'm going to try to get that guy thomas_d into the wot again tonight [05:49]
xanthyos persistence paid off with bagels7 [05:50]
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asciilifeform menu-lookup writing of glue code << refers to systems like the (1990s? no idea if still fits this description) 'visual basic' and the like. [05:52]
asciilifeform where gigantic swaths of (hesitate to even call it a) program - get 'written for you' [05:52]
mircea_popescu basically i got the idea from reading the piece that he means code that implements the "cut problem into parts, implement parts, glue parts together" approach [05:53]
asciilifeform producing buckets upon buckets of boilerplate crud [05:53]
asciilifeform aha no. he was speaking of 'glue code' in the sense of gluing heavy 'prefab' swaths together [05:53]
mircea_popescu so dreamweaver is an example ? [05:53]
asciilifeform something which the archetypical 'indian replacement programmer' occupies himself with. [05:53]
* asciilifeform innocent of 'dreamweaver', cannot say [05:54]
mircea_popescu adobe "autobuild your website" code [05:54]
asciilifeform aha then likely. [05:54]
mircea_popescu was famous before mullenderp raped poetry a new hole, because you could tell from all the ad>>> mess that it had been used. [05:55]
mircea_popescu now those people mostly use wordpress, with PLUGINS [05:55]
asciilifeform aha, reminiscent of msword html output. [05:55]
mircea_popescu then ben_vulpes is here going "hmm, where the fuck is this nonsense hardcoded in" [05:55]
* asciilifeform actually uses a (very threadbare) 'wordpress' [05:56]
mircea_popescu me too. [05:56]
mircea_popescu or what's left of one. [05:56]
asciilifeform ^ yes. [05:56]
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mircea_popescu makes php better rhan c i guess [05:56]
mircea_popescu adobe's shit is written in c, nobody can be bothered to compule it [05:56]
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asciilifeform adobe never once, afaik, published source for anything [05:56]
asciilifeform other than 'alchemy' [05:57]
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asciilifeform (a crackpot gcc port with... flash (!, yes) back-end) [05:57]
asciilifeform that was a real riot, incidentally [05:57]
asciilifeform somebody even got 'doom' to build. [05:57]
asciilifeform http://peterelst.com/blog/2008/12/18/porting-doom-to-flash-interview-with-mike-welsh [05:58]
assbot Porting Doom to Flash - Interview with Mike Welsh — Peter Elst [05:58]
asciilifeform ^ that one. [05:58]
asciilifeform (why? no one knows! but it was done.) [05:58]
mircea_popescu this was leaked in what, 2002 ? [06:01]
cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/david-woo-of-bank-of-america-merrill-lynch-dont-invest-in-bitcoin/ [06:02]
assbot David Woo Of Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Don't Invest In Bitcoin | Qntra.net [06:02]
cazalla ooh, scoopbot is back, wb scoopbot [06:02]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/david-woo-of-bank-of-america-merrill-lynch-dont-invest-in-bitcoin/ [06:04]
decimation I could see some sense in a 'delay' in the case that an actual human examines the transactions before they are released [06:06]
decimation but in that case it wouldn't be an arbitrary delay enforced by a cron job for no reason [06:06]
decimation I remember playing 'doom' on my hp-48 calculator [06:07]
decimation someone ported to 'saturn' assembly [06:07]
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mircea_popescu cazalla lulzy quote. [06:21]
mircea_popescu will be funny reference in teh future. [06:21]
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PeterL mrjr:thestringpuller: i'll work on getting my creds in order :) meni rosenfeld is one of our investors, and our cto Shaul Kfir was a reviewer for the sidechain paper. << wasn't Meni Rosenfeld connected with a GLBSE scam? [06:23]
mircea_popescu !up cb_bitcoin [06:23]
-assbot- You voiced cb_bitcoin for 30 minutes. [06:23]
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mircea_popescu PeterL from bitdaytrade to whatever you want. [06:23]
PeterL perhaps not the best name to drop as WoT cred? [06:24]
mircea_popescu guy specialises in vouching for scams, he's a sort of max keiser for his space. [06:24]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, what ever happened to aurora coin ? has it passed ethereum yet ? [06:24]
mircea_popescu "So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days." [06:26]
mircea_popescu heh. alternatively, just don't write dumbass ajax websites for monkeys. big fucking deal, srsly. [06:26]
BingoBoingo "You can't arrest me. I'm the Cake Boss" http://4.nbcny.com/SGgcUl1 [06:27]
assbot TLC's "Cake Boss" Arrested on DWI Charges in Manhattan: NYPD | NBC New York [06:27]
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asciilifeform http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-New-York-Hasidic-Jewish-Arrests-Mortgage-Fraud-FBI-Orange-County-282544591.html << more interesting [06:29]
assbot NY Family Accused of Taking Out $20 Million in Mortgages While Collecting Food Stamps | NBC New York [06:29]
mircea_popescu how is this an accusation ? [06:29]
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mircea_popescu a ok, fraud. [06:31]
asciilifeform real question: in which direction. [06:31]
mircea_popescu In one instance, one of Rubin's relatives claimed weekly income of $200 to get Medicaid and food stamps while claiming a net worth of $10 million to banks in order to get $7 million in loans. [06:32]
mircea_popescu this is presented as contradictory, but it actually isn't. [06:32]
asciilifeform i.e., borrowing $20m while broke and on food stamps? or fraudulently collecting food stamps while bathing in $20m bezzlars. [06:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think one can genuinely be both simultaenously in the us atm. [06:32]
asciilifeform 'is it rape if the check bounced?' [06:32]
mircea_popescu much like 1990 russian megacorps. [06:33]
asciilifeform i imagine we will see [06:33]
asciilifeform my guess is - yes, both. [06:33]
decimation http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/us/cuts-in-military-mean-job-losses-for-career-staff.html?_r=0 << usg is broke, decides to 'fire' army officers rather than cut back food stamps [06:38]
assbot Log In - The New York Times [06:38]
decimation although to be precise, the way the military 'fires' officers is more of a 'pocket veto' - if you fail to make the cut for promotion (at higher grades) you are automatically discharged [06:39]
asciilifeform used to be called, 'cachiering' [06:39]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2014/11/bip-65-revisiting-nlocktime/ << the problem with this is that if a miner doesn't implement the new protocol, and mines a block in spite of the supposed nlocktime lock, that block is well spent. [06:40]
assbot BIP-65: Revisiting nLockTime | Qntra.net [06:40]
mircea_popescu so a softfork does not in fact do anything, the dblspending party can just mine their own dblspend and that's that. [06:41]
decimation wait, they decide protocol details on twitter now? [06:42]
BingoBoingo Actual soft for yes, but "if all the miners accept" softfork is a hardfork [06:42]
asciilifeform for those who missed, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920112 [06:42]
assbot Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works' [06:42]
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decimation oh wait, I thought the delays that the scammer was writing about were simply 'private delays' on the part of the machine [06:43]
mircea_popescu Proving sacrifice to miners' fees [06:43]
mircea_popescu Proving the sacrifice of some limited resource is a common technique in a variety of cryptographic protocols. Proving sacrifices of coins to mining fees has been proposed as a universal public good to which the sacrifice could be directed, rather than simply destroying the coins. However doing so is non-trivial, and even the best existing technqiue - announce-commit sacrifices - could encourage mining centralization. C [06:43]
mircea_popescu HECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY can be used to create outputs that are provably spendable by anyone (thus to mining fees assuming miners behave optimally and rationally) but only at a time sufficiently far into the future that large miners profitably can't sell the sacrifices at a discount. [06:43]
decimation They want to bake it into the protocol? That's fuckin nuts [06:43]
mircea_popescu this is perhaps the most braindamaged nonsense i read today. [06:43]
mircea_popescu desperately needs more "expert" economists and whatnot. [06:43]
decimation "universal public good" [06:44]
mircea_popescu Actual soft for yes, but "if all the miners accept" softfork is a hardfork << "all miners accept" means what ? [06:44]
mircea_popescu until a new miner joins ? [06:44]
decimation re: experts: http://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/id-rather-have-this-bill-than-not-dictated-the-professor/ [06:45]
assbot “I’d rather have this bill than not”, dictated the Professor | RWCG [06:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Means old clients accept giberish, but miners actually hardfork if a "time locked" signature is mined early [06:45]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo only workls for as long as they actually do. [06:46]
mircea_popescu tomorrow large miner joins, doesn't implement it, they hardfork all they want, chainwarz. [06:46]
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mircea_popescu peppering this sort of nonsense in the code is a prime way to ensure the rough equivalent of "atomic weapons" for future negotiations. [06:46]
mircea_popescu "give us your daugther or we fork it" sort of bs. [06:46]
BingoBoingo Well, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/cm0liy8 seems not to be popular with the redditards, but on blocksizefork Bitpay has an incentive to choose the shitgnome side and face punishment [06:47]
assbot Atruk comments on Peter Todd's CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY Means Bitcoin Escrow, Refunds and a Fork [06:47]
mircea_popescu "It all traces back to the fact that the academy did not police itself properly. They gave, or through their inaction/laziness allowed to get, this guy and his (retarded) output the mantle of ‘expertise’. If the bad PR spilling off of him now redounds back onto other academicians in his peer group I understand that will be unfair in some cases but they have only themselves to blame." [06:48]
mircea_popescu it is not unfair in any case. [06:48]
BingoBoingo Because of course Vessenes' foundation wants bigger blocks when its only surviving members that pay it need bigger blocks [06:48]
mircea_popescu they should all hang for his sins. he may get off with prison, being just a fraud [06:48]
mircea_popescu but the actual professionals should hang, by their own guts. [06:48]
decimation yeah the author doesn't go far enough [06:49]
mircea_popescu "Seriously, I bet the ‘model’ is some kind of gunky spreadsheet. Or something little better, anyway. A mishmash of data being shoved together to reach predetermined conclusions, with tons of ad hoc assumptions. " << sounds like exactly dub's brew :D [06:50]
decimation I would bet money on that too [06:50]
mircea_popescu but hey, who's to argue with the politico-experts, right ? [06:50]
decimation he should start a bitbet [06:50]
asciilifeform in other news... [06:51]
asciilifeform '...in one case, the discovery that the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country, one official familiar with the contents of the reports said Thursday. No one had checked in years “to see if new tools were being made,” the offici [06:51]
asciilifeform al said. This was one of many maintenance problems that had “been around so long that no one reported them anymore.”' [06:51]
asciilifeform ( http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/us/politics/pentagon-studies-reveal-major-nuclear-problems.html ) [06:51]
assbot Log In - The New York Times [06:51]
BingoBoingo I could seriously imagine the chinese miners being coerced to oppose a USGaving blocksize increase simply because it hurts the payment processors. Bezelzebub bless the triad of mutual enemies working together for our success! [06:51]
decimation asciilifeform: supposedly that socket wrench that destroyed the missile in the silo in arkansas was 'ilegal' [06:52]
decimation now you know why [06:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, all the more reasons to have a proper, functional implementation of the canonical bitcoin code [06:52]
mircea_popescu for all these idiots to fall back on once the shit hits the fan. [06:52]
decimation yeah, if anything it's sewing ascii's parachute before being needed [06:53]
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BingoBoingo Indeed, but also a factor that will provide the catalyst for the acceptance of Venetian Bitcoind [06:53]
mircea_popescu meanwhile they can all hold hands with the canada chick and chant how "bitcoin is not coming and not posing a risk" [06:53]
mircea_popescu noably, romania's president announced in 2009 that "criza financiara va ocoli romania" [06:53]
mircea_popescu literally, the crisis will go around romania. [06:53]
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decimation mircea_popescu: you mean that julia character [06:54]
mircea_popescu w/e her name is. [06:54]
mircea_popescu was on qntra earlier, which is the only reason she's notable. [06:54]
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mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2014/11/bank-of-canada-bitcoin-poses-no-risk-but-well-watch-it-closely-anyway/ [06:54]
assbot Bank of Canada: Bitcoin Poses No Risk But We'll Watch It Closely Anyway | Qntra.net [06:54]
mircea_popescu Carolyn Wilkins [06:54]
decimation ah her [06:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29318 @ 0.00044997 = 13.1922 BTC [+] [06:56]
mircea_popescu !t m s.mpoe [06:56]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036402 / 0.00045973 / 0.00056765 (1289039 shares, 592.62 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.00058749 / 0.00068888 (6013699 shares, 3,533.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00070655 / 0.00081111 (22518580 shares, 15,910.69 BTC) [06:56]
BingoBoingo https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << At this point in qntra's age I'm not disliking the sawtooth pattern. [06:56]
assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [06:56]
decimation I had a conversation today about some guy who knew a guy who bought a house for $200k in california in 2002 and sold for $700k in 2006 [06:57]
BingoBoingo Also... Qntra's in the top quarter million nao [06:57]
mircea_popescu decimation that's pretty meta... [06:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah seems to be revving up nicely. [06:57]
decimation so this guy profits... and the 'taxpayer' picks up the $$bn bill for freddie mac and implicit bank guarantees [06:58]
decimation my point being, does bitcoin represent a 'threat' to this arrangement? [06:58]
BingoBoingo decimation: I don't think so. Nothing is more fashionable than location. [06:59]
mircea_popescu decimation depends. can he do it on your 0.1% ? [07:01]
decimation real estate will always be an asset - but the bezzle freshly printing to fund it won't [07:01]
mircea_popescu the major point about low taxes is that it makes the pot of the public treasury too small to hold the estimation of the conman [07:01]
mircea_popescu and so the conman moves to try adn con private interest. [07:01]
mircea_popescu whereas when taxes are significant, the opposite happens. [07:02]
decimation that's a good point [07:02]
decimation at least with private cons, the damage is likely to be limited and obvious in scope, rather than 'socialized' [07:02]
mircea_popescu but in general : it is good that any one person steals any one sum from the usg. [07:02]
mircea_popescu this is dead money being returned to live hands. [07:02]
decimation mircea_popescu: there are genuine people with genuine skills who spend their entire lives attempting to make usg better [07:03]
mircea_popescu the word for this is "idiots" [07:03]
mircea_popescu in general, the country suffers when taxes are paid, and gains through graft. [07:03]
PeterL http://bablogs.btcscoop.com [07:03]
assbot #bitcoin-assets blog posts [07:04]
PeterL ^ how does that look? [07:04]
mircea_popescu great actually [07:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00045856 = 18.5029 BTC [+] {2} [07:05]
BingoBoingo PeterL: Looks good, think you are missing Ben Fox's blog and maybe a couple others. [07:05]
PeterL sure, I can add more [07:06]
PeterL links? [07:06]
BingoBoingo PeterL: The look, the styling... simply beautiful http://cascadianhacker.com/index.html [07:06]
assbot missives from the post-megastate frontier [07:06]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ [07:06]
assbot People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:06]
decimation mircea_popescu: I would agree with the 'idiot' label - but you realize that this 'catches' at least 95% of humanity - who generally refuse to consider their position w.r.t. the entire world's (and history's) context [07:06]
mircea_popescu PeterL also could you make it so only say first 100 words of a post appear ? [07:06]
mircea_popescu decimation soooooo [07:07]
mircea_popescu fizzbuzz test is supposed to catch 99.5% of "programmers" too neh ? [07:07]
PeterL mircea_popescu: I am grabbing the summary, most of them are pretty short [07:07]
mircea_popescu nobody ever criticised it for this. [07:07]
mircea_popescu PeterL fixed max helps the skim reader [07:07]
PeterL sure [07:08]
* mircea_popescu asking for a friend. [07:08]
PeterL BingoBoingo: cascadianhacker apparently doesn't have a working feed, but I could add it to the list on the right [07:10]
BingoBoingo PeterL: Well... I think Ben Fox hosts his blog on emacs [07:10]
mircea_popescu lol ben_vulpes the post is the feed eh ? [07:11]
decimation mircea_popescu: what stripped down version of wordpress do you use? [07:13]
decimation do you update it? [07:13]
mircea_popescu i dunno, and nope. [07:13]
BingoBoingo decimation: I think I've asked him before. He doesn't update though. He simply patches. [07:13]
mircea_popescu not in the past 6 months at least, no. [07:14]
* BingoBoingo wishes more software would go the errata+patches route [07:15]
mircea_popescu bout 5-6 years ago i had an actual major portal site, dtng (the 4chan clone) was on it, also fain (a romanian digg) and my blog and a bunch of other shit [07:15]
mircea_popescu at the time i had a full complement of php coder guru types, threw in "make me a better wp" in a worklist once and well... [07:15]
decimation BingoBoingo: well, redhat pretty much operates this way [07:15]
decimation rhel has slowly gone downhill over the past few years - becoming more 'poetterized' [07:16]
BingoBoingo decimation: Not really. RedHat still has updates. Red Hat's antithesis though... [07:16]
mircea_popescu dja mean anathema ? [07:16]
decimation one can inspect the patches, if one is willing to sit down and do the work [07:16]
BingoBoingo decimation: Well Red Hat hired Poettering [07:16]
BingoBoingo I imagine they saw the quick cash the microshit model brings [07:16]
mircea_popescu how did that quote go [07:17]
decimation well, when money is literally handed out to idiots via gov't programs, tricking idiots into forking over is a great business model [07:17]
mircea_popescu "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." [07:17]
decimation yeah that [07:17]
mircea_popescu same shit, so foss starts, great, get rhel to be a pentagon contractor. [07:18]
mircea_popescu not because you want to use their code [07:18]
mircea_popescu but specifically because you do not want to. [07:18]
mircea_popescu soon enough... [07:18]
mircea_popescu the exact sort of thing that would render a us expeditionary force if the arabs but spoke english, is the exact thing that renders the "well meaning" idiots you mentioned earlier [07:18]
mircea_popescu because the bureaucracy DOES speak english. [07:19]
decimation I remember those heady days, when it was thought that it wouldn't be possible to 'make money' off of foss [07:19]
decimation now I wish the money would go away [07:19]
mircea_popescu it would have been, if someone added bitcoin to pgp [07:19]
mircea_popescu and pushed the holy trifecta through [07:19]
mircea_popescu but who ? [07:19]
decimation RMS [07:19]
decimation lol [07:19]
mircea_popescu people tend to be very laudative of the people that were smart, at any juncture [07:19]
mircea_popescu nobody ever goes "you shitfaces, THIS opportunity you missed. all of you." [07:19]
BingoBoingo Ah, the great thing about PGP is that GPG 1.4x fork won [07:20]
mircea_popescu well, except for terrorist me, of course, in a piece about romania's 80s generation. but that's besides the point. [07:20]
BingoBoingo nobody ever goes "you shitfaces, THIS opportunity you missed. all of you." << My brother the dentist does if you get him drunk. [07:20]
decimation yeah actually bitcoin is a great example of the link I posted yesterday, about technologies that *should* have been invented in the past but were not [07:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that's not happenstance. that shit will happen again and again because it happened for fundamental reasons. [07:20]
mircea_popescu stan's fork will win the bitcoin through the same interplay of the same cosmic forces. [07:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The problem I when he presents it is that not everyone wants to marry a large SJW, even if it means the dog you get in exchange is adorable [07:21]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo larger problem : men don't generally get that they have the god fucking given right to say "fuck you and get lost" [07:21]
mircea_popescu "door's that way" and variations thereof. [07:22]
asciilifeform obligatory naggum: 'suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to pretend tha [07:22]
asciilifeform t nobody was smart enough to see the next millennium coming.' [07:22]
mircea_popescu prolly because only trolls and terrorists do that or something. [07:22]
BingoBoingo Indeed. Yes dentist brother gets his $600 bezzel per working day, but youngest brother for some reason doesn't share dentist brother's deviance. [07:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this millenium, nobody actually saw. perhaps an excusable oversight, but still ridoinculous. [07:22]
mircea_popescu bitcoin + pgp + foss would have been a much better alternative past than fucktarded "flower power" [07:23]
joecool !s dentist [07:23]
assbot 45 results for 'dentist' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dentist [07:23]
decimation indeed it makes RMS's retarded diatribes look more retarded [07:24]
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BingoBoingo Dentist brother is an absolute hoot around marine cousins though, with their memories of ship board dentistry [07:24]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But tis is the past! [07:24]
mircea_popescu decimation that passion could have served a smarter man better you know ? [07:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, no point crying over the mud-like stupidity of our parents. [07:25]
mircea_popescu fuck them, move on, plenty of time left in the future to do important shit. [07:26]
BingoBoingo The newest past was born in January 2013 [07:26]
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BingoBoingo The TiDerps were slain, righteous had a path, and Bitcoin was cemented in the following months [07:27]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/isis-introduces-coins/ [07:38]
BingoBoingo ^ ISIL Coin [07:39]
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mircea_popescu http://jim.com/ << the page of the author of the prev quote, one James A. Donald [07:41]
assbot James's Liberty file collection index [07:41]
mircea_popescu (with http://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/reign.html ) [07:42]
assbot James A. Donald's Reign of Error | Anarchist Writers [07:42]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [07:43]
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gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 393.93, vol: 48451.68950503 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 387.0, vol: 27136.32982 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 392.0, vol: 133267.08674263 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 393.05, vol: 44.95610677 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.424576, vol: 602246.15620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 76.28428452 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.52026, vol: 218.25432093 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [07:44]
BingoBoingo I wonder how long the Chinese will suffer Buterin's Waterfall before forcing a showdown on the matter of STFUSA [07:45]
BingoBoingo Nao just feels so much like 11/12 [07:47]
BingoBoingo Or when Nixon banished the rest of the press corps so he could talk to Hunter S. Thompson about football [07:48]
asciilifeform http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f14/Volume%201%20NNSA.pdf << mega-turd. i don't expect that anyone will read it. but i did. and will relate, how obscenely it brags about the extraordinary bezzle of the u.s. 'national ignition facility' [07:49]
asciilifeform where, for no reason that has ever been publicly explained, laser-initiated fusion is diddled [07:49]
asciilifeform to no result, as far as is known, ever, at any point [07:50]
asciilifeform real reason: it is an extraordinarily expensive, multi-generational project to keep the entire field from developing. [07:50]
BingoBoingo How many cover pages do they need [07:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: to cut to the chase, grep for 'ignition' [07:51]
asciilifeform incidentally, this document is a fine example of the kind of stereotypically-bureaucratic style of writing usg runs on. [07:52]
asciilifeform almost a 'newspeak' [07:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71422 @ 0.00044167 = 31.545 BTC [-] [08:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8778 @ 0.00044497 = 3.9059 BTC [+] [08:03]
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BingoBoingo !up dgeats [08:05]
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dgeats ty [08:05]
dgeats ;;eregister dgeats 1A76 4B0F 58BF 87CB C03D 5A4E A6D2 72BC 41B0 824A [08:05]
gribble Error: '1A76' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id. [08:05]
dgeats ;;eregister dgeats A6D272BC41B0824A [08:06]
gribble Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. [08:06]
BingoBoingo Ah [08:09]
BingoBoingo The perils of the first time [08:09]
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dgeats BingoBoingo I feel like I’m putting my private keys and passwords EVERYWHERE [08:12]
dgeats aren’t they supposed to be private!!? [08:13]
BingoBoingo dgeats: PM, I'll halp troubleshoot to a point, but yes. Private keys stay private. If one of those strings you entered is a private key... Generate a new keypair. [08:13]
dgeats dude I’ve been trying for over a week [08:13]
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BingoBoingo dgeats: PM, I'll walk you through. [08:14]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [08:19]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 392.06, Best ask: 392.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 392.95, 24 hour volume: 48213.33310422, 24 hour low: 381.55, 24 hour high: 453.92, 24 hour vwap: 414.170513306 [08:19]
dgeats In the WoT I’m in the WoT hello bitcoin-assets!!! [08:23]
BingoBoingo ;;ident dgeats [08:23]
gribble Nick 'dgeats', with hostmask 'dgeats!~user@173.219.118.98', is not identified. [08:23]
BingoBoingo Edward James Almost? [08:23]
dgeats dammit! [08:23]
dgeats ok I’ll go back to lurking [08:24]
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BingoBoingo dgeats: No, finish your fucking registration. You needed help, help is offered, get this shit over with while someone has patience. [08:26]
BingoBoingo !up tryphe [08:26]
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dgeats I’m definitely still trying searching through my open tabs on where to start [08:27]
BingoBoingo !up vexual [08:27]
BingoBoingo dgeats: Well, you could always ask vexual [08:27]
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RagnarDanneskjol http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ [08:28]
dgeats Vexual is this a PM? [08:28]
assbot Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [08:28]
BingoBoingo dgeats: This is main channel [08:28]
dgeats familiar with that page [08:29]
dgeats so I’m going to go to the GPG Keychain again and get another pair of keys? [08:29]
BingoBoingo dgeats: Are you familiar with http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/ [08:31]
assbot PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog [08:31]
BingoBoingo And http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication [08:31]
assbot GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki [08:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26011 @ 0.00043228 = 11.244 BTC [-] [08:32]
dgeats BingoBoingo Not as familiar with your blog, I’ll read through it [08:35]
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BingoBoingo !up bagels7 [08:43]
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RetroUpriser Hello [08:43]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [08:43]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 394.63, Best ask: 394.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 393.77, 24 hour volume: 48234.83273786, 24 hour low: 381.55, 24 hour high: 453.92, 24 hour vwap: 414.033997412 [08:43]
BingoBoingo Hallo [08:43]
RetroUpriser Is there a market for overnight shipping of raw milk? [08:44]
RetroUpriser Its only legal to buy in CT [08:44]
Vexual I reckon [08:44]
RetroUpriser and for, ahem, generous donations, id be willing to send some raw milk [08:44]
Vexual plenty of hipsters [08:44]
Vexual what whats CT? kentucky? [08:45]
BingoBoingo RetroUpriser: I'm not a big fan of Brucellosis [08:45]
BingoBoingo Vexual: CT is connecticut [08:45]
Vexual oh [08:46]
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thestringpuller Hartford, CT my birthplace [08:47]
BingoBoingo The number of Homo genus members that acquires Brucellosis in Brucellosis free states amuses me [08:47]
RetroUpriser Anyone getting Brucellosis in a Brucellosis free state should be funny [08:48]
BingoBoingo Happens more often than you might suspect [08:49]
Vexual is it bad? [08:50]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Can be very bad [08:50]
RetroUpriser If you have no access to modern medicine [08:51]
BingoBoingo RetroUpriser: Even if. The responsible bacteria produces a good number of toxis so an antibiotic killing it creates a peak exposure to those during treatment [08:52]
RetroUpriser And i wouldnt say raw milk is the #1 way to contract it [08:52]
BingoBoingo Far from it, raw milk and beastiality are the only real ways to contract it [08:53]
RetroUpriser Which wont cause much damage unless your a pregnant woman [08:53]
RetroUpriser undercooked meat i'd say. [08:53]
BingoBoingo Oh, Brucellosis mostly kills peds patients [08:53]
RetroUpriser You should just avoid low quality food products. [08:53]
RetroUpriser in general. [08:53]
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BingoBoingo Indeed [08:54]
RetroUpriser But in the same sense, avoid all natural probiotic foods because they could be contaminated with harmful bacteria? [08:54]
Vexual raw milk is used for some cheeses perhaps? [08:54]
RetroUpriser No doubt, but so is pasturized milk. [08:54]
BingoBoingo Well the thing is something cultured with the right stuff doesn't give the wrong stuff the chance to live and you can tell by smell. It's why cheese and yogurt are safe but raw milk is a highway to the dangerzone [08:55]
RetroUpriser But no more than eating a medium rare steak from the cow producing it [08:56]
Vexual I have half a recolection that some chesse recipies prefer raw [08:56]
RetroUpriser But yeah the good bacteria will fight the bad [08:56]
BingoBoingo RetroUpriser: Generally in a steak if there was a pathogen of conern you'd see/smell the abcess and wonder then the cow got into a knife fight [08:56]
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RetroUpriser So you'd think but i'm sure that isn't the case alot of the time [08:57]
BingoBoingo On the otherhand it isn't the slightest bit unbelievable for a dairy cow to drag its titties through cow shit [08:58]
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RetroUpriser Would you smell it in the raw milk? [08:58]
BingoBoingo In raw milk you often can't smell it. [08:58]
RetroUpriser Right, im sure there are alot of cases where meat could be infected and not show the slightest sign of it [08:58]
BingoBoingo Which is why if the milk was raw yu want it in already fermented products where either dangerous smells would be stronger or the product wouldn't appear right. Milk itself is dangerous though. [08:59]
RetroUpriser Bottom line is that you shouldn't expose yourself to unclean products when you know they are of shady origin. But when you have a local farm that you can check out and see its sanitary conditions yourself.. it takes alot of the risk out of the picture. [08:59]
BingoBoingo Meat usually isn't so bad because there's less vulnerable surface area than milk [09:00]
RetroUpriser I suppose, but im a huge fan so the risk < reward [09:00]
BingoBoingo In milk generally all of the protein and fat globules contribute to surface area [09:00]
RetroUpriser I mean, i wouldn't be drinking raw milk from walmart brand cows [09:01]
BingoBoingo I mean the surface is better defined by... solidity [09:01]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: real reason: it is an extraordinarily expensive, multi-generational project to keep the entire field from developing. <<< what sense does that make ? [09:25]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they don't have endemic brucellosis in the us anymore do they ?! [09:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not in any animal herds, but somehow children still get it [09:28]
mircea_popescu maybe it's from the us weapons stockpile. [09:29]
BingoBoingo Basically for all of the expense and derping, USDA can't actually guarentee its own guarentees [09:29]
mircea_popescu that's a thing nixon is never remembered for, ending the biological warfare stockpiles. [09:29]
mircea_popescu hadn't he done so, you'd probably have heard spineless gonzalez, bharara et all argue for the legitimacy of their use. [09:30]
mircea_popescu anyway, romania is a few of the european states that never had it. along with, iirc, switzerland. [09:31]
BingoBoingo Last I heard, USia was spicing up 9-11 with bioweapons own goals [09:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: RetroUpriser: Generally in a steak if there was a pathogen of conern you'd see/smell the abcess and wonder then the cow got into a knife fight << nah, most of the stuff youi can get that way you don't see. [09:34]
mircea_popescu trichinella is a fucking worm you still won't likely see it. [09:34]
BingoBoingo You see that more in pork than beef [09:35]
mircea_popescu sure. [09:36]
mircea_popescu beef is safer than most meats, but still. you dun see the stuff. [09:36]
BingoBoingo I mean the reason to avoid rare-ish ground beef is more sloppy meatcutters opening the colon than anything else [09:37]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: On the otherhand it isn't the slightest bit unbelievable for a dairy cow to drag its titties through cow shit <<< im pretty sure nobody milks unwashed anymore. [09:38]
mircea_popescu for decades now. [09:38]
BingoBoingo You would think so, but in USia it isn't possible to pay enoug for a farmhand who cares to [09:39]
BingoBoingo I mean over here we grow fucking Dent corn for the sugar and actual sweet corn as a table vegetable [09:40]
mircea_popescu look at that, nif claims it actually went energy-positive last year [09:40]
mircea_popescu i had nfi. [09:40]
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* BingoBoingo hasn't seen gas this cheap since 2010. [09:43]
BingoBoingo Not regularly this cheap pre-2009 in some years [09:44]
BingoBoingo Though winter of 2009 was beautiful with sub $2 per gallon gasoline. [09:44]
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mircea_popescu how much is it now ? [09:46]
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BingoBoingo $2.69 [09:47]
mircea_popescu http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192126-lockheed-says-itll-make-a-truck-sized-fusion-reactor-within-10-years << and from the bold claims department... [09:47]
assbot Lockheed says it’ll make a truck-sized fusion reactor within 10 years | ExtremeTech [09:47]
mircea_popescu he reduced size — just 10 feet by 7 feet — will allow Lockheed to “design, build, and test the CFR in less than a year.” [09:48]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is a miniaturized version easier is beyond me. [09:48]
BingoBoingo I guess fuckups are easier to insure on a smaller reactor? [09:49]
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BingoBoingo Vexual: Y u no blog yet??? [09:50]
mircea_popescu http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline [09:50]
assbot Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy density of gasoline | ExtremeTech [09:50]
mircea_popescu no shortage of bold claims it seesm [09:50]
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BingoBoingo Eh, might as well get the bold claims in now, before the whips come [09:51]
mircea_popescu something on the magnitude order of getting fusion to work is pretty much the only way out of the slump for teh west. [09:53]
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BingoBoingo Oh, but without fears of a Stalin, they only way to develop it requires insuring it. [09:54]
mircea_popescu maybe. [09:55]
mircea_popescu lots of free money may help there. [09:55]
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BingoBoingo Only for so much longer [09:56]
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Vexual I wonder how small they can go if smaller is easier [09:57]
Vexual oh, it says [09:58]
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Vexual BingoBoingo: Vexual: Y u no blog yet??? kalyhost stole my moeneyz [10:06]
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BingoBoingo !up dgeats [10:18]
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Vexual still parsing the history of pgp [10:19]
BingoBoingo Ah [10:19]
Vexual i guess [10:19]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [10:22]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 392.43, vol: 48264.10238920 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 385.95, vol: 24858.0845 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 393.49, vol: 115673.95376961 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 403.87, vol: 39.1832539 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.973731, vol: 599526.01520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 70.24819212 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.322256, vol: 174.64115222 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [10:22]
BingoBoingo Oh, the Chinese lead the drop tonight [10:23]
BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/auroracoin << lol [10:24]
assbot Auroracoin [10:24]
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mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/auroracoin/comments/2icorq/what_killed_auroracoin/ << lolok. [10:36]
assbot What killed Auroracoin? : auroracoin [10:36]
mircea_popescu and since we're doing the internet sewer, https://bitcointa.lk/threads/definitive-proof-that-satoshi-nakamoto-is-james-a-donald.320588/ [10:36]
assbot Definitive proof that Satoshi Nakamoto is James A. Donald. | Bitcointa.lk [10:36]
dgeats ;;gettrust dgeats [10:37]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask dgeats!~user@173.219.118.98. Trust relationship from user dgeats to user dgeats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=dgeats&dest=dgeats | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dgeats | Rated since: never [10:37]
Vexual woot [10:37]
dgeats sup b-a [10:37]
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BingoBoingo Whatever happened to Sir Reginald GreyhawK? [10:38]
mircea_popescu nothing much. [10:39]
mircea_popescu his cover being inadvertently blown, he retired. [10:39]
Vexual what happened with your hitler portait? [10:39]
BingoBoingo On that note it's bedtime and MP's BitBet penny sports bet nightmare is over. [10:41]
Vexual what's your story dgeats? [10:42]
dgeats I know nothing about computers and I’m 31 y/o [10:43]
mircea_popescu so what do you do ? [10:44]
dgeats I sell real estate [10:44]
dgeats I’m a “REALTOR” [10:44]
BingoBoingo Wait, so the FBI lives in your butt? [10:44]
dgeats wouldn’t take it from such jerks [10:45]
BingoBoingo Or is that just-Tor [10:45]
dgeats no kidding [10:46]
mircea_popescu where ? [10:46]
dgeats all very new to me [10:46]
dgeats tor browsers and irc everything [10:46]
mircea_popescu no i mean, realtor where. [10:46]
dgeats Humboldt County, CA ;) [10:46]
dgeats for real though [10:46]
dgeats been here for the past 10 years or so [10:47]
dgeats about a week into the logs, lots and lots to catch up on [10:47]
mircea_popescu ;;rate dgeats 1 CA realtor, he says. [10:48]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dgeats has been recorded. [10:48]
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Vexual thats almost bens neck of the woods [10:49]
mircea_popescu dgeats pm assbot !up [10:49]
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dgeats in real estate not by accident, it’s still a major part of the economy [10:51]
cazalla wonder if 8chan mystery donator is in here [10:51]
dgeats I wonder what property rights are like in Romania [10:51]
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mircea_popescu dgeats they are bizarre at best. [10:52]
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dgeats not “a bundle of rights” like in the states? [10:53]
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mircea_popescu i wrote a little about the nuttery of it, back in romanian days. lemme see if i can find it. [10:54]
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mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/AgUhmsB1 [10:57]
assbot http://trilema.com/2009/evaluarea-proprietatii-imobiliare/ http://trilema.com/2 - Pastebin.com [10:57]
mircea_popescu apparently i wrote a lot. [10:57]
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dgeats hmmm can’t make it out ha ha [10:59]
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mircea_popescu :p [11:00]
mircea_popescu remains an enigma [11:00]
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dgeats wow you actually did write about real estate in Romania [11:02]
mircea_popescu well yeah ? [11:03]
Naphex ttp://trilema.com/2009/evaluarea-proprietatii-imobiliare/ [11:03]
Naphex damn right click pastes :) [11:03]
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Naphex hi o/. [11:03]
mircea_popescu ;) [11:03]
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Naphex https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2m6rp7/hitbtc_about_to_go_mt_gox/ [11:04]
Naphex that exchange smelled hell fishy from day #1 wtf [11:04]
Naphex also exchanges are hard to run, idiots should stop trying [11:04]
punkman !s hitbtc [11:08]
assbot 15 results for 'hitbtc' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hitbtc [11:08]
punkman did they even have any customers? [11:08]
mircea_popescu Naphex im sure "customers" and "experts" will both listen to your #1 and #2 above, yeah. [11:09]
mircea_popescu they tend to read and understand, it's what they do. not like "why should i even bother with the wot" an' stuff. [11:09]
Naphex wot or any due dilligance [11:10]
Naphex punkman: they sure had lots of fake volume [11:10]
mircea_popescu or any thinking. [11:11]
Naphex mircea_popescu: BTCXchange offered SSL Authenticated with GlobalSign.EU, the registration certificate was posted. And all due dilligance info posted [11:11]
Naphex yet then people go well 'Romania!' [11:12]
mircea_popescu yeah, see, you should have had "real brick and mortar stores" in cyprus. [11:12]
punkman Naphex, could have been worse, good thing you aren't Nigerian [11:12]
mircea_popescu much better than europe's highest per capita gold reserve country o.O [11:12]
Naphex punkman: :)) [11:12]
Naphex also lots of eshops going up with btcxpay for btc->ron https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855469.0 [11:14]
assbot Magazine online care acceptă bitcoin prin serviciul de plată BTCXpay.ro [11:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79650 @ 0.00043202 = 34.4104 BTC [-] {2} [11:17]
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punkman nubbins`: so maybe deedbot shouldn't be stripping the
at eof << it's not really, just doesn't care for anything outside the first and last dash of a gpg message
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mircea_popescu heh. [12:06]
mircea_popescu no scoopbot huh [12:06]
mircea_popescu http://esr.ibiblio.org/ << shit, ers had a blog ? [12:08]
mircea_popescu all these years ?! [12:08]
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mircea_popescu http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4781 and it's really good, too. [12:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1666 @ 0.0012 = 1.9992 BTC [12:20]
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mircea_popescu !up pirateoftheapes [12:30]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah im sure lol. [20:36]
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mircea_popescu cazalla http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/13/1344589/-Bitcoin-may-be-worth-1-million-says-Pal [20:47]
assbot Bitcoin may be worth $1 million; says Pal [20:47]
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xanthyos i wish they showed the equation [20:49]
mircea_popescu dailykos, it doesn't do equations, they're racist. [20:50]
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BingoBoingo Nice work MP [20:51]
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mircea_popescu http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/ < i dunno if this lulz was here. [20:52]
assbot Page not found – ibiblio [20:52]
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mircea_popescu cazalla: so.. is qntra down for others? << uh i just looked at it. [20:53]
mircea_popescu https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-trader-biz-let-bitcoin-trader-earn-money/ << lawl. [20:55]
assbot Bitcoin-Trader.Biz - Insolvent - CryptoCoinsNews [20:55]
mats_cd03 funny how there's no mention of USD being worth <0.1% of BTC if it goes to 1mn BTCUSD [20:56]
mircea_popescu how you reason ? [20:56]
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asciilifeform http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1344589/54989752#c16 << extra lulzy [20:59]
assbot Daily Kos :: Comments: Bitcoin may be worth $1 million; says Pal [20:59]
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mircea_popescu jurov: what does he want from aussies? <<< russia needs military bases overseas like kim kardashian needs horsecock. [21:00]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin software does not appear to be vetted to such an extend. << the english-t to d migration is soooo indicative of a native romanian speaker you can't imagine. [21:01]
asciilifeform and u.s. illiterates. [21:02]
mircea_popescu is it ? [21:02]
asciilifeform aha. [21:03]
mircea_popescu i've not commonly seen it outside of ro hack-kiddies speaking english [21:03]
mircea_popescu or for that matter, my own output lol. [21:03]
mircea_popescu davout: disabling all CSS would be fine << he has a point there, just de-css-ify it for mobile, will be fine. [21:04]
asciilifeform i've probably crapped out every conceivable kind of mistake (when hammering in real time. text that i get to read again before broadcast - another matter) [21:04]
mircea_popescu most mobile platforms have spent more money on making their thing work on unstyled websites than we ever will on qntra. [21:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just about, as one gets tired stuff starts to mutate. [21:04]
asciilifeform fingers - will of their own. [21:04]
asciilifeform http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/notation-as-a-tool-for-thought-wavelets-in-j << for aficionados of peculiar programming systems [21:05]
assbot Notation as a tool for thought: Wavelets in J | Locklin on science [21:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I gave the viewport tag one last tweak, next step is yeah, just denying mobiles any styling at all beyond what they bring on their own [21:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48277 @ 0.00043473 = 20.9875 BTC [+] {2} [21:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just between you and me and nobody else : i very much doubt the average j user actually has the mental acumen to correctly understand the actual effects of recursive transforms available to them, wavelets or no wavelets. [21:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol! you know actual 'j' users?! [21:08]
mircea_popescu you think coders are bad, just wait till you see mathematicians apply automated processes to statistical samples. [21:08]
mircea_popescu a few... [21:08]
asciilifeform not confusing with 'r' ? [21:08]
mircea_popescu well no [21:09]
* asciilifeform must have slept through the re-appearance of 'j' [21:09]
mircea_popescu as far as i can see, it's the common step away from excel [21:10]
asciilifeform i wanted a book on 'j' 5 or so years ago, had to go to a library with spy camera. [21:10]
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mircea_popescu once people crash their system trying to load 1mn cells for the 1kth time [21:10]
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asciilifeform around here, the 'common step away from excel' is 'r'. [21:10]
asciilifeform (open-source statistical gizmo, vaguely reminiscent of 'octave') [21:11]
mircea_popescu does it work on windows ? [21:11]
asciilifeform afaik yes. [21:11]
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mircea_popescu apparently. well then i dunno. [21:12]
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mircea_popescu jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE looks interesting again <<< it does, esp the week view. o.O look at that. [21:15]
assbot CoinBr Live S.MPOE [21:15]
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BingoBoingo http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/an-open-letter-to-jason-king-of-seans-outpost [21:16]
assbot An Open Letter to Jason King of Seans Outpost | Lets Talk Bitcoin [21:16]
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mircea_popescu who;s this guy again ? [21:17]
asciilifeform 'This sort of illogic is rampant in debates about cold fusion, particularly when experts respond to irritating, unwelcome suggestions made by amateurs. They start out cautioning the amateur that instruments such as calorimeters have a margin of error, and calorimeters frequently malfunction with leaking cooling fluid and other problems. When the expert senses the message is not getting through, and the amateur [21:19]
asciilifeform still believes that cold fusion calorimetry indicates real excess heat, the frustrated expert may resort to extreme, untenable claims, such as a statement that no calorimeter has an error less than 10%, when in fact the error margin for top-quality conventional instruments is on the order of 0.1%. Or he may wave his hands and say calorimeters are so undependable that you cannot run one for more than a few days [21:19]
asciilifeform without recalibrating, when in fact a good one will run reliably for months.' ( http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf ) [21:19]
asciilifeform ^ very interestingly perverse comparison of the 'titanic' aftermath and that of 'cold fusion' [21:19]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The homeless bitcoin camp [21:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is true tho. you familiar witrh playing pokler at all ? [21:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo oh oh. mkay. [21:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on the vary basic level. [21:20]
asciilifeform *very [21:20]
mircea_popescu do you know what meta coincepts are, like "playing loose" or "tight" ? [21:20]
asciilifeform aha [21:20]
mircea_popescu now, thinking obviously has nothing to do with poker [21:20]
asciilifeform although 'tilt' might be the more relevant pokerism [21:20]
mircea_popescu persuasion, however, is exactly that, poker reskinned. [21:20]
mircea_popescu the most significant error of judgement made by experts as far as i've seen yet is [21:21]
mircea_popescu when confronted with an inept player they loosen up their game [21:21]
mircea_popescu this is so idiotic as to defy sufficient expression. [21:21]
asciilifeform almost as if they were living creatures trying to conserve energy or something [21:22]
mircea_popescu the #1 reason it is idiotic is that the inept player may actually and usually does notice the loosening, and takes this as a honest signal that the expert is bluffing [21:22]
mircea_popescu on the, bluffs here, bluffs everywhere heuristic [21:22]
mircea_popescu the #2 reason it is idiotic is that discussion has remanence, poker hands do not. expert 30 years in has a fucking string of noted down examples of having done this, people with an ideologic interest can use to strangle him with [21:22]
asciilifeform aha. [21:23]
mircea_popescu this is something a politician is keenly aware of, but since the expert's brain actually functions, he's no politician. [21:23]
asciilifeform the linked article is at least partly about this. [21:23]
asciilifeform see also james randi's notes on how physicists are easily fooled by methods that fool not one stage magician [21:23]
mircea_popescu yup. [21:23]
mircea_popescu "gotta play the audience" means exactly that. [21:24]
mircea_popescu being a physicist doesn't make one immune, only diffusion makes one immune. [21:24]
asciilifeform robert wood was probably the one notable exception to this blindness. [21:24]
asciilifeform was an unambiguous master of both magics. [21:24]
mircea_popescu i suppose this also wraps right back up into wavelets lol. [21:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he was an engineer. [21:24]
asciilifeform ;;google robert wood n-rays [21:25]
mircea_popescu this is the definition of an engineer. [21:25]
gribble N ray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Robert W. Wood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Blondlot and N-rays - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com: [21:25]
asciilifeform wood was a proper, full-bore polymath. [21:25]
asciilifeform which, i suppose, includes engineering. [21:25]
asciilifeform 'If it ever becomes generally known that cold fusion is real, how will the scientists who opposed it react? A few may take responsibility and go down with the ship, retiring from academic life. I hope that most will regret their actions, and try to prevent such a thing from occurring again. Some will react the way Lightoller did, blaming Pons and Fleischmann. They may say the traditions and customs of science a [21:29]
asciilifeform re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, “the experience of years” and “what we have always done” outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.' [21:29]
asciilifeform story time. i don't personally have any truck with fusion, cold or not; [21:30]
asciilifeform but the phenomenon described above is entirely the root of the al schwartz equivalence principle violation experiment [21:30]
asciilifeform or rather, lack of experiment, because the entire sub-field formed a 'solid blue wall' against herr schwartz [21:30]
asciilifeform for the reason stated in the 'titanic' article. [21:31]
asciilifeform modern-day physicists want a demonstrable equivalence principle violation the way they want horsecock. [21:33]
asciilifeform or bullet in head. [21:33]
BingoBoingo http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/twitter/11230144/Twitter-rated-as-junk-by-SandP-shares-drop-5pc.html [21:35]
assbot Twitter rated as 'junk' by S&P, shares drop 5pc - Telegraph [21:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i diun get it, who would be opposed to cold fusion and why ? [21:36]
asciilifeform the folks who built careers on (promise of) the 'hot' variety. [21:36]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones can i buy any ws puts off you btw ? [21:36]
asciilifeform (just one example) [21:36]
mircea_popescu i guess... [21:36]
asciilifeform under the bezzle, there is very little profit in solutions. [21:36]
los_pantalones ha, TWTR put ? [21:36]
asciilifeform in prolonging agony - quite a bit. [21:37]
los_pantalones why don't you list stuff like that on mpex ? [21:37]
mircea_popescu i dunno, maybe im unbecomingly naive, but to my eyes cold fusion working is an event of such magnitude, it'd trigger an Auld Lang Syne moment. [21:37]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones well for lack of a mm actually. [21:37]
los_pantalones hmm [21:37]
mircea_popescu ifsomeone wanted to manage a portofolio of ws shortness for btc, it'd prolly rock. [21:37]
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mircea_popescu !up cypherc [21:38]
-assbot- You voiced cypherc for 30 minutes. [21:38]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try to picture how bitcoin would have been treated, even in the embryonic stage, if the implications for the next xxx years from it, were entirely obvious to all. [21:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59788 @ 0.00043289 = 25.8816 BTC [-] {2} [21:38]
mats_cd03 ;;calc calc [ticker --last]/(10**6) [21:39]
gribble Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) [21:39]
mircea_popescu maybe. [21:39]
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mats_cd03 ;;calc [ticker --last]/(10**6) [21:39]
gribble 0.00039599 [21:39]
asciilifeform auld lang syne, lol. [21:39]
mircea_popescu except free enerngy is quite unlike bitcoin. [21:39]
asciilifeform horst wessel lied. [21:39]
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mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: to rephrase, the dollar would have lost 99.99% of its value on the trip to 1mn BTCUSD [21:40]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 only ~50%. [21:40]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, seriously, cold fusion would actually make the "local production" stuff that link earlier was harping about a reality. [21:44]
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asciilifeform would make many things. [21:44]
asciilifeform e.g., laser pistol. [21:45]
mircea_popescu it's the one card out that could save teh current usg / societal structure. [21:45]
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mircea_popescu i can't imagine anyone'd manage to supress it if it could work. [21:45]
asciilifeform quite a few of the ancient science-fictional machines of early 20th c. imagination. [21:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is why i mentioned schwartz example. [21:45]
asciilifeform very often, 'works' is like early lisp machine. [21:46]
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asciilifeform unwieldy, ruinously expensive, terrible ROI. [21:46]
asciilifeform faraday's 'what use is a baby.' [21:46]
asciilifeform baby - can kill with one hand. [21:46]
mircea_popescu i dunno. [21:46]
mircea_popescu maybe. [21:46]
mircea_popescu Lightoller is a particularly bad example, by the way. [21:46]
mircea_popescu his decisions were correct on the deck. [21:46]
mircea_popescu a ship is sinking is undisputably the worst time to be going out doing "research". [21:47]
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mircea_popescu the fundamntal understanding of this is illustrated by the case made for giving people tenure and shit. research is an activity of the safe, which is why prisons and other emperor of the flies situations aren't conducive to proving the fermat conjecture. [21:47]
asciilifeform well, yes [21:48]
asciilifeform author of linked piece takes issue with l's conduct pre-sinking. [21:48]
mircea_popescu when a ship is sinking, the officer is to do EXACTLY what's done. [21:48]
mircea_popescu ah like that. [21:48]
mircea_popescu mebbe. [21:48]
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asciilifeform see pg. 9. [21:49]
asciilifeform 'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions [21:49]
asciilifeform which you have described as abnormal, and in view of the knowledge you had from various sources that [21:49]
asciilifeform ice was in your immediate vicinity, to proceed at 21.5 knots. [21:49]
asciilifeform L: Then all I can say is that recklessness applies to practically every commander and every ship crossing [21:49]
asciilifeform the Atlantic Ocean.' [21:49]
asciilifeform he's essentially sticking to the 'flondor defence.' [21:49]
asciilifeform 'everybody did it.' [21:49]
mircea_popescu i don't think they understood ice will crush the ship, tbh. [21:50]
mircea_popescu they thought they had built the lenin [21:50]
asciilifeform curious why mr. l did not say this, then. [21:50]
mircea_popescu why do you think lol. [21:50]
asciilifeform the 'uncrushable' thing was more of a marketing literature, tbh [21:50]
asciilifeform folks who actually made their living on ships, knew better. [21:50]
mircea_popescu let me model why : if i'm in that situation and you ask me that, i'ma in typical style go "wel lfrankly, i didn't believe that ice can crush steel. sue me." [21:50]
mircea_popescu so they'd hang me. [21:51]
mircea_popescu that means either i don't have kids or my kids don't do so well. [21:51]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, l goes "well...derp" [21:51]
mircea_popescu did they hang him ? [21:51]
mircea_popescu so therefore! [21:51]
asciilifeform 'nobody ever got hanged for buying ibm stock.' [21:51]
mircea_popescu maybe they knew better, hard to know what individuals knew or thought. but imo, they honestl ybelieved ice is now butter, because forward britannia! [21:51]
Adlai !s isis currency [21:52]
assbot 2 results for 'isis currency' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=isis+currency [21:52]
asciilifeform speaking of ice... [21:53]
asciilifeform http://news.yahoo.com/nations-last-big-icebreaker-endures-despite-age-214106918.html [21:53]
BingoBoingo Adlai: been qntra'd http://qntra.net/2014/11/isis-introduces-coins/ [21:53]
Adlai ^^ this is fantastically unrelated to bitcoin [21:53]
assbot Nation's last big icebreaker endures despite age - Yahoo News [21:53]
assbot ISIS Introduces Coins | Qntra.net [21:53]
Adlai this is about as related to bitcoin as it would be if south sudan were to mint its own pound... oh wait, they did. where's qntra on that? [21:53]
mircea_popescu Adlai terrorism. one degree of separation. [21:54]
Adlai ok, i'll admit, isiscoin serves to attract investment capital away from bitcoin, and acts as a potentially stabler store of value for dollar-averse wealth [21:55]
Adlai let's short bitcoin! [21:55]
BingoBoingo Well, a lot of the problems Bitcoin solves aren't relevant to ISIS [21:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, that boer war fort thing ? lol! [21:56]
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asciilifeform wai wat [21:57]
mircea_popescu lightoller, back during his time in the navy, was on a ship visiting south africa during the boer war [21:58]
mircea_popescu got out in the night, put the boer flag on the local fort, filled a cannon with a blank shot and a long fuse and well... [21:58]
mircea_popescu gave the locals a start. [21:58]
asciilifeform ahaha [21:59]
Adlai BingoBoingo: "and the later is simply for hire" << what's "the later"? [22:00]
BingoBoingo Adlai: The professional Derps [22:00]
BingoBoingo People who enjoy Buterin's waterfall [22:01]
BingoBoingo ALong with the sort of marketing shill who just wants a check and will endorse any idiocy [22:02]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [22:06]
gribble Current Blocks: 330024 | Current Difficulty: 39603666252.418 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 599 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 47 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40043955200.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.11174 [22:06]
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Adlai !s cryptolocker usg [22:11]
assbot 1 results for 'cryptolocker usg' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cryptolocker+usg [22:11]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756099 << who's to say that isn't cryptolocker itself? [22:12]
assbot Logged on 15-07-2014 02:55:38; asciilifeform: 'swamp donkey' << lol! apparently a usg version of 'cryptolocker' [22:12]
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asciilifeform Adlai: you must remember, we have not yet escalated to 'full throttle.' [22:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00042788 = 37.8246 BTC [-] {3} [22:20]
asciilifeform Adlai: there will come the day when winblows users dumb enough to run hotwallet will find their coin magicked away. [22:20]
mircea_popescu this has been reported sporadically since 2012 [22:20]
mircea_popescu iirc that's when the first windows wallet stealer trojan was reported. [22:21]
asciilifeform Adlai: but today is not that day. and when it comes, it will be coated in enough parallel construction to kill a herd of elephants. [22:21]
mircea_popescu back then it was a big deal, wallets being unencrypted. [22:21]
Adlai ssh, you're leaking ideas to the fbi agents on the line [22:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking not of wallet stealing trojan, but of 'xxxx coin wandered off with no plausible explanation, forensic showed nothing untoward' [22:21]
asciilifeform i.e. winblows is the ultimate trojan per se. [22:22]
Adlai how can you vanish coins without leaving a forensic trail? [22:22]
mircea_popescu i dunno how win forensics work [22:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when anyone bothers - very laboriously, largely manually-cranked. [22:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a skilled turdmeister (especially of the privvy-to-microshit-remote-orifice variety) will leave nothing to find. [22:23]
mircea_popescu so then there's nothing remarkable here. [22:23]
Adlai also, a skilled thief would target other stacks after/while people start leaving the brokenest one [22:23]
asciilifeform well the only remarkable thing is that, with the profusion of winblows users, coins are not yet wandering off into usg wallets en masse. [22:23]
asciilifeform i inevitably picture a hunter, trying to avoid 'spooking' the birds [22:24]
asciilifeform inching closer, wants to bag more than one. [22:24]
asciilifeform i predict that when the hunter 'shoots', it will be 'spun' to look like a 'protocol' (or even crypto) break, of one kind or another [22:25]
asciilifeform with the inevitable shitgnome 'fixes' brought out [22:26]
asciilifeform while lies, of the 'false flag' variety, may not be the only tool in the buggers' toolbox - it is certainly their favourite. and perhaps the sharpest. [22:27]
mircea_popescu well the only remarkable thing is that, with the profusion of winblows users, coins are not yet wandering off into usg wallets en masse. <<< reddit is not, contrary to what it tells itself, relevant to bitcoin [22:28]
mircea_popescu 99% of bitcoin users, according to what people think, use windows. [22:28]
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mircea_popescu 99% of bitcoin belongs to the remaining 1% [22:28]
asciilifeform if only winblows were confined to some magical reddit kingdom, where all stupid folks live. [22:28]
mircea_popescu in short, there's a very deep valley between "windows user who thinks himself into bitcoin because he recognises the term" and "bitcoin user". [22:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform jeffidiocy manages to keep idiots with benefits away from bitcoin altogether. [22:29]
* asciilifeform has no data on the present state of the btc musical chairs landscape and cannot say [22:29]
mircea_popescu i tell you, the anthropology of this thing has been an endless source of fascination to me [22:29]
mircea_popescu it's almost like watching a cell react in an infection, all sorts of bizarro mechanisms that you don't even dare declare exist seem to work in werido ways. [22:29]
asciilifeform likely - we will get to watch (or, feel on skin...) all of the available mechanisms. [22:30]
mircea_popescu maybe. doubt it. [22:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: jeffidiocy << there we go. herr lightoller's, too. [22:32]
asciilifeform 'best practices of the sea.' [22:32]
mircea_popescu yeah, but see that it actually "serves", depending how you put the goals on the table [22:32]
mircea_popescu anyway, to quote a bronx tale : [22:36]
mircea_popescu Come over here. Sit next to me. You must be pretty upset after the Yankees lost. [22:36]
mircea_popescu Bill Mazeroski, I hate him. He made Mickey Mantle cry. The papers said the Mick cried. [22:36]
mircea_popescu Mickey Mantle? That's what you're upset about? Mantle makes $ a year. How much does your father make? [22:36]
mircea_popescu I don't know. [22:36]
mircea_popescu You don't know. If your dad needs money, go ask Mickey Mantle. See what happens. Mickey Mantle don't care about you. Why care about him? Nobody cares. [22:36]
mircea_popescu the way people today construct their mental representations of groups and belonging is nothing short of mindblowing. [22:37]
mircea_popescu i mean, it used to be the case for children. but biological adults today are psychologically infantile, and this is by very far the most obvious effect. [22:37]
xanthyos it's tribal imprinting [22:38]
mircea_popescu what's that mean ? [22:38]
asciilifeform xanthyos: actual 'tribal' dynamics are 2-way. [22:38]
xanthyos without strong tribes or famlies to take these cues from they'll seek it elsewhere [22:38]
mircea_popescu at least in our classical understanding thereof. [22:38]
mircea_popescu xanthyos the bizarre part is that they somehow manage to seek it in imagination. [22:38]
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mircea_popescu pretty much the only tech left that works in the english speaking world is the tech that manipulates this at first view pathological "one way belonging" thing. [22:39]
mircea_popescu i guess we could call it "marketing" for lack of terminology. [22:39]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/ << amusingly enough, it's mostly NOT government issue. [22:40]
assbot “You’re the guy who wasn’t good enough to sling dope.” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:40]
mircea_popescu in fact, the usg seems moreover its prey than anything. [22:40]
xanthyos i've seen a video of a duck nursing from a cat because its own mother was gone. [22:41]
asciilifeform duck!?!?! [22:41]
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* asciilifeform goes out to shop for duck milk [22:41]
xanthyos if you can convince your customer that you can literally breastfeed them they'll trust you forever [22:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how do you think they make duck tape ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu polymerized duck galactose. [22:42]
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xanthyos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlqTHhdCQko [22:42]
assbot Cat nurses Ducklings - YouTube [22:42]
* asciilifeform remembers very fine soviet chocolates 'bird's milk' [22:42]
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mircea_popescu romania has "chicken milk", http://www.culinar.ro/retete/dulciuri/creme/lapte-de-pasare-iese-sigur/46/2/6925/ [22:42]
assbot Lapte de pasare (iese sigur) - Culinar.ro [22:42]
xanthyos it's sad when they actually seek out mickey mantle to get reciprocation though [22:43]
undata http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo << the "need to belong" [22:43]
assbot Juggalo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [22:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this may actually be the very same filling as in 'bird's milk' [22:43]
mircea_popescu prolly. [22:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D1%8C%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE_(%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F) [22:44]
assbot Птичье молоко (кулинария) — Википедия [22:44]
mats_cd03 http://thestack.com/chakravarty-tor-traffic-analysis-141114 via /. [22:45]
mircea_popescu lol your percentile language [22:45]
asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptasie_mleczko << apparently englisch exists [22:45]
mircea_popescu ow shit that LOOKS like excellent chocolate. [22:45]
assbot Ptasie mleczko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [22:45]
mircea_popescu exactly the right sheen. damn you stanislav! [22:45]
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asciilifeform incidentally i get these in usa. though no idea for how much longer. [22:45]
asciilifeform afaik poroshenko runs the factory. [22:45]
undata the juggalo thing is a bizarre example of marketing turning into some weird semblance of a 2-way belonging [22:46]
asciilifeform (or perhaps not. i do know he's corralled a good fraction of the 'russian' confections business) [22:46]
mircea_popescu ;;ud juggalo [22:46]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=juggalo | juggalo. For the most part, an uneducated, pathetic excuse for a human being who listens to the group ICP who are bold enough to actually consider themselves ... [22:46]
undata mircea_popescu: american white trash who literally dress like clowns [22:47]
TomServo Here's a comical introduction to Juggalos for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulGaxBPk2jI&list=UUfR7gRIYmZbGjhhrRJCwpmw [22:47]
assbot Joe Goes JUGGALO - YouTube [22:47]
undata they apparently have a whole religion [22:47]
mircea_popescu some sort of insane clown o nm that's what icp means huh [22:47]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: iirc the method was published before, some months ago [22:48]
TomServo they follow icp, yes [22:48]
mircea_popescu sorta glam-punk offshot thing [22:48]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: made no major splash, for some reason [22:48]
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asciilifeform mats_cd03: traffic analysis is easy, cheap, fun. consider analogy of the children's game 'sea battle.' [22:49]
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mircea_popescu dude, topless chicks being a big deal, you already know you must be in ameristan [22:50]
mircea_popescu im not even sure whats more ridiculous, the rednecks or the mainstream. [22:50]
asciilifeform or how one might determine the electrical circuits in an old house (by unscrewing breakers at random) [22:50]
cazalla mircea_popescu: cazalla http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/13/1344589/-Bitcoin-may-be-worth-1-million-says-Pal <<< great and informative article! [22:50]
assbot Bitcoin may be worth $1 million; says Pal [22:50]
mircea_popescu cazalla lol they di what they can [22:51]
mats_cd03 asciilifeform: i'm surprised it took this long. its been alive. what. 10+ years? [22:53]
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mats_cd03 not the doing of the analysis, but dissemination of results [22:53]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: they print now, not wishing to risk obsolescence [22:54]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 it didn't take this long, that tor was routinely compromised was an open secret. [22:54]
mircea_popescu course, when i said so last year the derps went on derping, but why would the derps count here. [22:54]
* asciilifeform found it very surprising that tor survived as a going concern after 'heartbleed' [22:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform something tells me i won't be getting the "mp's blog, first place to announce tor is shit, a year or so ago" all over the "tech" "press". just like i didn't get the "mp forces wikileaks to release unedited cables by publishing the romanian subset" a few years back [22:56]
mircea_popescu because why report, right, there's all these fucktards that need to wonder "what mainstream nobody agrees with mp", as if that's the fucking criteria nao, we vote for knowledge. [22:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 [22:57]
assbot Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. [22:57]
mircea_popescu myeah. and this matters, because the non-wot world is like, totally a world and anything, and what happens outside of b-a ctually happens, and non-notarized documents actually carry weight and everything [22:57]
mircea_popescu trust teh power of dreamz! [22:57]
asciilifeform 'we have always been at war with [east|eur]asia.' [22:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, this is the best of all worlds, tbh. i'd get really pissy in short order if reddit actually knew what's what [22:58]
mircea_popescu and i couldn't get out of bed without 5000 "hey mp, what do you think of this toaster" "is bitcoin going up i must know because of my 0.05 btcent investment!" [22:59]
asciilifeform reddit, as i understand, is a world of 'class 3' learners - 'must piss on electric fence himself' [22:59]
mircea_popescu if this is true, how did they come to the conclusion women dislike being raped ? [22:59]
mircea_popescu not that it's false, but they're not women. so... how ? [22:59]
asciilifeform not clear that these folks have an actual take on the subject. parroting usg religion - yes. [23:00]
mircea_popescu that's learning no ? [23:00]
asciilifeform but on the subject of, e.g., tor, they have both words and deeds. [23:01]
asciilifeform and will end up learning from the electric fence. [23:01]
mircea_popescu very much doubt it. [23:01]
asciilifeform are, in fact, already being taught by it [23:01]
mircea_popescu imo, they're 4th level learners. will not learn from thought ; nor from other [23:01]
mircea_popescu s experience, nor from their own. [23:01]
asciilifeform 'the hunchback will be straightened by his grave.' [23:01]
mircea_popescu will ONLY learn from fiction, inasmuch as they find a way to link it to their own fiction. [23:01]
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mircea_popescu basically, to teach a muppet something you must construct a literary work which jives with the preexisting dreamworld he inhabits [23:02]
nubbins` closed encounters of the 4th kind [23:02]
mircea_popescu which is how they all "learned" all about mordor. [23:02]
asciilifeform it does happen that 'fanons' conflict, though. [23:03]
mircea_popescu they don't know how to compute whether x option ios better than y option in any situation, but they do know you don't just walk into mordor [23:03]
mircea_popescu of course it does, but so ? energy states in a semiconductor also conflict, in the abstract [23:03]
mircea_popescu what's that do for any cell ? [23:03]
asciilifeform somebody had an essay on 'knowledge vs. suggestively-named strings' [23:04]
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mircea_popescu where ? [23:04]
asciilifeform http://home.engineering.iastate.edu/~alexs/classes/2011_Spring_585X/readings/02_Principles/AI_Meets_Natural_Stupidity.pdf [23:04]
asciilifeform ancient scan. [23:05]
asciilifeform not readily deturdifiable. [23:05]
asciilifeform but is an iconic cult-classic (mcdermott, 1976) [23:05]
mircea_popescu lmao the title promises [23:06]
asciilifeform it's an epic paper, that not merely rained but pissed on the exuberant 'ai' parade of the '70s academe. [23:06]
nubbins` skim milk is rotten [23:06]
nubbins` it's fucking grey [23:06]
mircea_popescu ew [23:07]
asciilifeform 'programs to a great degree are problems rather than solutions. If a researcher tries to write an "understanding" program, it isn't because he has thought of a better way of implementing this well-understood task, but because he thinks he can come closer to writing the implementation. If he calls the main loop of his program "UNDERSTAND ', he is (until proven innocent) merely begging the question. He may mislea [23:08]
asciilifeform d a lot of people, most prominently himself, and enrage a lot of others.' [23:08]
mircea_popescu lol [23:10]
asciilifeform weizenbaum, author of iconic 'eliza', also understood how little a mechanism really needs to 'understand' in order to give an idiot the illusion of 'understanding.' [23:12]
asciilifeform (not related to above, but a contemporary) [23:12]
mircea_popescu 'It follows that he cannot know that certain people at certain times do not understand in Parry-or Eliza-like ways. That is to say, he has no way of knowing that we do not ourselves sometimes function by means of "clever tricks".' actually, i will go as far as to say that it is always certainly the case understanding happens through "clever tricks" [23:13]
mircea_popescu it is NEVER the case anyone ever understood anything whatsoever in any case at any point in human history [23:13]
mircea_popescu [self]delusion to the contrary notwithstanding. [23:13]
asciilifeform he is thinking of another variety of clever tricks. [23:13]
asciilifeform the mechanized stage magic of eliza [23:13]
mircea_popescu is he ? [23:13]
mircea_popescu that's exactly what i mean. [23:13]
asciilifeform i'd have to disagree that 'understand' is a null-word. [23:14]
mircea_popescu go right ahead, but what else do you bring ? [23:14]
asciilifeform people have never been seen to, e.g., rotate themselves in 4th d. and end up rechiralled. but they do occasionally understand things. [23:14]
asciilifeform at least, beyond 'eliza' level. [23:15]
mircea_popescu let us not discuss this in terms of understanding, something we care about. let us instead discuss in terms of love, something we don't care about. [23:15]
asciilifeform ? [23:16]
mircea_popescu so : your idea of understanding would be in fact "transformative love". ie, it'd give you the ability to turn, if not marble into virgin, at least whore into housewife. [23:16]
mircea_popescu dja think this was ever displayed ? [23:16]
* asciilifeform must confess he is rather puzzled at this point [23:16]
mircea_popescu whyssat ? [23:16]
asciilifeform well, if i had to give an example of 'understanding', involving 'transformation', i'd offer the transformation of pebbles on a beach (original 'calculation') into well, calculation, and mathematics, and, ..., nukes. [23:17]
mircea_popescu nah. [23:18]
asciilifeform wide net, but somewhere in it there flops a fish, 'understanding' [23:18]
undata one of you is using understand in a much stricter sense than the other. [23:18]
mircea_popescu the sort of understanding you propose is a relationship between mind and object that's transcendental. the ready comparison is the supposed transcendental relation between man and woman. [23:18]
mircea_popescu outside of this, all that's left is eliza-understanding. [23:18]
mircea_popescu and, obviously, fucking. ie, a manipulation of the subject according to the rules of the reality it inhabits. [23:19]
mircea_popescu what eliza does, what no strings attached sex is. [23:19]
mircea_popescu if you recognise a naive romanticism in one field, the other should also be obvious. [23:19]
mircea_popescu all women are whores and all thinkers are eliza. [23:19]
asciilifeform all microscopes are hammers. [23:20]
nubbins` all scarves are farts [23:20]
mircea_popescu the ability of whores to distinguish themselves from "those cheap streetwalkers" is not that important globally. [23:20]
mircea_popescu having more to do with ego and stress than anything [23:20]
undata "modeling is by definition incomplete" ? [23:20]
mircea_popescu undata if you will. asciilifeform yes, essentially, which is why the microscope hammer thing never persuaded me. [23:21]
* asciilifeform is firmly persuaded that every microscope is a hammer. however, not every hammer is a microscope, demonstrably. and therein lies the boojum. [23:21]
mircea_popescu not every hammer is a microscope TO YOU [23:22]
mircea_popescu not every whore is a partner you'd entertain, but that has little to do with the principles involved. [23:22]
asciilifeform the principle involved, i must confess, escapes me [23:23]
mircea_popescu let's approach on a different tack. [23:23]
asciilifeform and i'm not altogether certain that i'd profit from grasping it [23:23]
mircea_popescu what is the method through which i could write software that distinguishes between actual science and global-warming-science ? [23:23]
asciilifeform even the elixir of distinguishing cat from dog by mechanical means, so far escapes programmers. [23:24]
asciilifeform who would even dare to ask about sciences. [23:24]
mircea_popescu well, the reason might be that there couldn't be such a thing. there's nothing that makes "good science" better than a pile of shanonized papers. [23:24]
mircea_popescu you can test them, of course, but this is practically speaking aesthetics. [23:25]
asciilifeform aha i see where this is going. [23:25]
mircea_popescu so, yeah. all thinkers are eliza, the distinguishing among elizas, like among whores, purely an application of one's own aesthetic preference. [23:25]
nubbins` no true eliza would offer such an argument [23:26]
asciilifeform 'don't worry, sizzling in electric chair, ohm's law is a lie' [23:26]
asciilifeform the difference between the flesh before and after, 'aesthetic preference' [23:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform are you a current dreaming it's frying a butterfgly etc [23:26]
nubbins` and somewhere, somewhen, the sound of keys clacking on a keyboard was heard [23:26]
asciilifeform l0l [23:26]
nubbins` ha [23:26]
undata "gravity" holds the moon to the earth [23:27]
nubbins` _/ -_- _/ [23:27]
mircea_popescu undata the argument mind, isn't that some eliza-trees don't make much better looking reality-clothes than others. [23:27]
mircea_popescu the argument is whether they're actually different. [23:27]
mircea_popescu if one function returns rnd(0,15) and the other rnd(20,42) it is easy to establish which returns the larger number, [23:28]
mircea_popescu but that doesn't mean they're not the same damned function. [23:28]
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asciilifeform afaik western traditions of sophistry are not even the most die-hard adherents of this idea. in some variants of islam, they actually believe that 'if the circuit works, it was will of allah' and nothing more [23:28]
mircea_popescu and the brain is in no sense and to no degree a logic processing machine. [23:28]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> the argument is whether they're actually different. <<< in the sense that each game of wol is actually different [23:28]
asciilifeform and today perhaps the allmighty favours ohm's law, tomorrow - not [23:28]
mircea_popescu nor, ironically, are actual logic processing machines all that intelligent. [23:28]
mircea_popescu to us at least. [23:28]
mircea_popescu nubbins` quite. [23:29]
asciilifeform brain is logic machine like brick is flying machine. [23:29]
mircea_popescu pretty much yeah. [23:29]
mircea_popescu "it can be made to" [23:29]
asciilifeform in precisely that way. [23:30]
undata mircea_popescu: I'm still chewing on "different" how? [23:30]
nubbins` relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKrskPyBuI [23:30]
assbot TripTank - Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube [23:30]
mircea_popescu not that any of these subtle considerations have any sort of practical effect or importance, [23:30]
mircea_popescu but since the article spoke of "substance" in thought... well... [23:30]
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mircea_popescu there's no substance to thought. [23:31]
undata nubbins`: flashback to 19, tripping like hell, trying to find a firm thought to stand upon [23:32]
asciilifeform the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest? [23:32]
nubbins` undata terrorizing realization that no such thing exists, etc [23:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but my point is that this argument misses the very point of what thought is. [23:32]
undata nubbins`: I started laughing my ass off and gave up [23:32]
mircea_popescu that's what thought is, entirely, all the time : suggestively named strings. [23:32]
asciilifeform say, if it was able to distinguish cat from dog, and now operates an automated dogcatcher, prior to the renaming of strings, and still can - there was 'substance.' [23:32]
mircea_popescu to the code. [23:33]
mircea_popescu ok, let me phrase it thus : [23:33]
mircea_popescu mp's lemma of artificial intelligence requires any computer program that exhibits in fact ai to depend in its functioning on the naming of its functions, and that self-metaprogramming be a part of its working. [23:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remember the self-evolving fpga? [23:34]
mircea_popescu ok, great example. [23:35]
asciilifeform the one where not a single thing about the circuit made sense to the human dissector [23:35]
mircea_popescu that thing IS intelligent, just like me and you and the dragonfly. [23:35]
asciilifeform but for the fact that it worked. [23:35]
asciilifeform where are the namings? [23:35]
mircea_popescu how would i know ? [23:35]
asciilifeform we might be speaking of different things then, re: 'names' [23:35]
mircea_popescu ok, let's re-rephrase : [23:35]
mircea_popescu any computer program of which identifiable components can be unambiguously named is not capable of displaying AI. [23:36]
asciilifeform what 'ai and stupidity' was about, was an actual pestilence of pseudoscience, where folks convinced themselves and others that they were accomplishing 'great things' while really pulling each other's dicks in a most stultifying way [23:36]
mircea_popescu o for sure, im not even getting into the point of the article. i just went on a tangent for objection reasons, like i do. [23:36]
asciilifeform ahahaha. [23:37]
* undata tries to create an arbitrary symbol in his mind [23:37]
asciilifeform ;;google gensym [23:37]
gribble Gensym | Real-Time Management of Mission Critical Systems: ; Product | Gensym: ; Gensym G2 2011 EDITIONS – Product Detail | Gensym: [23:37]
undata Core dumped. [23:37]
asciilifeform damn, sp4mz0rs [23:37]
asciilifeform ;;google gensym common lisp [23:37]
gribble GENSYMs - Common Lisp HyperSpec (TM): ; Macros: Defining Your Own - gigamonkeys: ; hygiene-versus-gensym - Community-Scheme-Wiki: [23:37]
asciilifeform ^ best representation of the concept i know of [23:38]
asciilifeform creates a symbol with no meaning other than identity (cannot add, subtract it, it only has a name and the only permitted operation is determination of identity) [23:38]
asciilifeform and, well, assignment [23:38]
undata hm [23:39]
mircea_popescu i don't think that violates my restatement. [23:39]
asciilifeform it's a humble tool, no ai to it at all [23:39]
asciilifeform a 'nut' or 'bolt' that i use daily. [23:39]
mircea_popescu well yeah but if it did violate restatement then either i'm wrong or no ai can be made to run on lisp machine. [23:40]
asciilifeform (gensym) just coughs up a guaranteed-unique object. [23:40]
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mircea_popescu is this provable to actually work all the time ? [23:40]
asciilifeform until exhausted memory. [23:40]
mircea_popescu hm [23:40]
asciilifeform typically implemented using a counter [23:40]
mircea_popescu that smashes eventually no ? [23:40]
asciilifeform common lisp numeric tower is a bignum tower [23:41]
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* mircea_popescu ponders. [23:41]
asciilifeform so, in principle, if the machine were to do nothing but cough up 'gensyms' for a few millenia, you will exhaust memory. [23:41]
asciilifeform depending on how quickly you can increment [23:41]
asciilifeform (and how long machine lasts) [23:41]
mircea_popescu i superficially suspect this discussion proves there can never be turing ai., [23:42]
mircea_popescu lisp machine being turing equivalent [23:42]
asciilifeform (of course, a gensym, if not garbage collected, also occupies a cell of memory) [23:42]
asciilifeform the 'super-turing' machine remains a mystical unicorn. [23:43]
mircea_popescu myeah [23:43]
asciilifeform not that it has been shown not to exist, but has about the same status as 'god' [23:43]
asciilifeform that is, a favourite preoccupation of crackpots of all stripes, and from the whole spectrum of scientific literacy - but no results. [23:43]
mircea_popescu well, the only way to build one may be to first build a planet, then let cnc evolve. [23:44]
mircea_popescu cns* [23:44]
asciilifeform what bothers me most is that most of the 'askers' have no idea what they actually want. [23:45]
asciilifeform (from a hypothetical 'ai') [23:45]
asciilifeform mechanical best friend? [23:45]
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mircea_popescu a good example would be, a spontaneous determination to build itself a house, [23:47]
mircea_popescu while no identifiable part of the code deals with housebuilding. [23:47]
asciilifeform not necessarily disputing the hypothesis - but why the preoccupation with non-identifiable parts? [23:47]
mircea_popescu if the machine ends up housed within a house of its own making at the end of a process which was not either understood or its endpoint predictable by observers, well... iut;'s intelligent. [23:47]
asciilifeform see, we can take this into a place you probably did not intend to go: [23:48]
asciilifeform consider 'langton's ant.' [23:48]
mircea_popescu lets see! [23:48]
asciilifeform http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LangtonsAnt.html [23:48]
assbot Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld [23:48]
asciilifeform very simple rules (described on linked article) [23:48]
asciilifeform you can write him yourself and try. [23:49]
mircea_popescu see, that "intend to go" is exactly why the preoccupation with non identifiability. [23:49]
mircea_popescu fuckall cares what i intend. [23:49]
asciilifeform well think to the end. [23:49]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> if the machine ends up housed within a house of its own making at the end of a process which was not either understood or its endpoint predictable by observers, well... iut;'s intelligent. <<< mis lados!! [23:49]
asciilifeform what we know is that everyone who ever tried langton's ant, notices that he always 'builds a road' [23:49]
asciilifeform no matter what is on the playing field at the beginning [23:49]
asciilifeform or what 'bombs' (to use 'war of life' terminology) you drop. [23:49]
asciilifeform sooner or later - he builds it. [23:49]
asciilifeform could be after thousands of moves. [23:50]
mircea_popescu okay. [23:50]
asciilifeform no one has proven anything, afaik, of substance, about whether the ant will always build the road. [23:50]
asciilifeform but experimentally no one has (yet) found counter-example. [23:50]
mircea_popescu so your argument is that ant meets my definition of ai ? [23:50]
asciilifeform well, that part. [23:50]
asciilifeform yes. [23:50]
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mircea_popescu how do you identify a highway as a house ? [23:50]
asciilifeform same way you identify a house as a house. [23:51]
mircea_popescu say if you showed this process to 1k randomly selected 5 yos, would they say "it built itself a house" ? [23:51]
asciilifeform who am i to say that a repeating cycle of moves is not 'house' for the automaton. [23:51]
nubbins` ^ [23:51]
mircea_popescu to us. [23:51]
mircea_popescu not to it. that's the point. to us. [23:51]
asciilifeform the way that my 4 walls are a repeating cycle of moves to me. [23:51]
mircea_popescu *we* have to recognise what it does. [23:51]
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asciilifeform this goes back to my complaint about the ai wishers. they aren't asking for 'intelligence', just a mechanical but recognizable version of themselves [23:52]
asciilifeform or, at least, what they think of as themselves. [23:52]
mircea_popescu well, this definition is, "when you recognise what's being done, but neither why nor how, you're confronted with intelligence" [23:52]
undata seems a lot that passes for human intelligence is driven by autonomous processes evolution carved into us, just like the ant [23:53]
mircea_popescu this is counterintuitive, because we're very ethnicallyclose, so to speak, [23:53]
nubbins` recognize is an overly broad term for this discussion [23:53]
asciilifeform or with an entirely non-interactive and ultimately easily described physical system that you simply don't grasp yet. [23:53]
mircea_popescu so we eliza-recognise what WE do on the grounds of culture and convention [23:53]
mircea_popescu when intelligences meet without that basis, superamazement ensues. [23:53]
undata when two of those ants hit each other, do they combine their "houses"? [23:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, see, it's not a black box. [23:54]
* nubbins` recalls the (clarke?) short story about an intelligent electrical field [23:54]
Adlai excellent turminology, this! http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Turmite.html [23:54]
assbot Turmite -- from Wolfram MathWorld [23:54]
asciilifeform this is an ancient argument - 'the sea is very intelligent but we just aren't protocol compatible and can't see that it's even alive' [23:54]
mircea_popescu any computer program of which identifiable components can be unambiguously named is not capable of displaying AI. << this obviously requires you to be allowed under the hood. [23:54]
asciilifeform i have limited patience for it because of the sheer lack of predictive power. [23:54]
mircea_popescu otherwise windows is ai for crying out loud. [23:55]
undata nubbins`: Greg Egan did one with intelligent turbulence [23:55]
nubbins` asciilifeform unfortunately the sea won't be seen as alive until after it's dead D: [23:55]
asciilifeform undata: yes i recall that one. 'dust.' [23:55]
mircea_popescu well it all started with you asking for a definition of ai. [23:55]
nubbins` i recall reading a young adult novel about intelligent crystals [23:55]
nubbins` suspended in fluid iirc [23:55]
nubbins` one of those "my teacher is an alien" type ones [23:55]
asciilifeform undata: in fact, i recall that he had a character who is being marched to a mafia execution, and offered a magic pill before being shot. the pill wakes him up to the idea that his mind is already being simulated on a 'computer' made of space dust, somewhere, if only 'interpreted correctly' [23:56]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922181 << so do you count an entire beehive/anthill as intelligent, but not any single member individually? [23:56]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2014 21:44:39; mircea_popescu: a good example would be, a spontaneous determination to build itself a house, [23:56]
mircea_popescu Adlai yes, actually. [23:56]
mircea_popescu perhaps except for the queen, but that's an endless discussion. [23:56]
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mircea_popescu or with an entirely non-interactive and ultimately easily described physical system that you simply don't grasp yet. << incidentally, the brain seems to fit this quite exactly. [23:59]
nubbins` i know people claim that there's an upper bound on the complexity that can form in a cellular-automaton-type system with simple rules [23:59]
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