Forum logs for 14 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu << except he already presumes it's not even useful. 490 lines of verilog don't allow for much remote diddle. [00:03]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 22:15:06; trinque: danielpbarron: not if it's all remotely diddlable [00:03]
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mircea_popescu <<< lmao. why not just call on the heavenly angelic infantry at this point ? [00:04]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 22:17:26; asciilifeform: possibly even pegged to usd. [00:04]
mircea_popescu st thomas comes riding a flaming horse made out of female virgin saint asses [00:05]
mircea_popescu shooting psalms out of their assholes at the unbelievers. [00:05]
trinque mircea_popescu: what's your read of the exchange between pete and myself; I was hearing circular logic (no offense to pete) [00:06]
mircea_popescu re this toaster mining business ? [00:06]
trinque specifically that 'bitcoin is bitcoin' is a reason in itself [00:06]
trinque my response might be "well, why fucking bother with a WoT" for example [00:07]
mircea_popescu i think that argument holds water, to a large degree. recall the "bitcoin pervers the nsa" discussion with alf maybe a year ago ? [00:07]
mircea_popescu perverts* [00:07]
trinque that it pulls apart non-aligned organizations? [00:08]
trinque like that guy Force? [00:08]
cazalla <<< subtle but not as subtle as usual :P [00:08]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 02:55:36; asciilifeform: (and it would have to fall on a different continent entirely) [00:08]
mircea_popescu no. thgat it realligns anyone. [00:08]
trinque I can see that point. [00:08]
copypaste mircea_popescu: [00:08]
assbot ... ( ) [00:08]
copypaste Look good? [00:08]
mircea_popescu sure. but won't it bitch cause the img is http ? [00:08]
copypaste Oh yeah. Please use the b64 version like before [00:09]
copypaste That'll work perfectly [00:09]
mircea_popescu trinque << that convo. [00:09]
assbot Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash" [00:09]
mircea_popescu copypaste you use it lol. [00:09]
assbot ... ( ) [00:09]
mircea_popescu (lick not drip) [00:10]
trinque mircea_popescu: ty [00:10]
copypaste Oh, gotcha. [00:10]
copypaste I didn't notice the different URL, sorry ;) [00:10]
copypaste OK. I'm going to embed that now. I hope it behaves well under load. Time will tell [00:11]
* mircea_popescu is curious what the load looks like [00:11]
mircea_popescu haha yeah. keeping an eye on it here. [00:11]
mircea_popescu Server Load 0.04 (8 cpus) atm [00:11]
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copypaste I stuck it on all the boards. 8chan uses a style of rebuilding where a new post rebuilds a thread on a board [00:14]
copypaste I have to force rebuild the boards we agreed to [00:14]
copypaste For it to show on all threads and indexes [00:14]
copypaste I'll go do that [00:14]
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copypaste But you can see it here already: [00:14]
assbot /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( ) [00:14]
copypaste Oops, I forgot to remove Coinbase [00:14]
copypaste As we agreed. I'll do that. [00:14]
mircea_popescu danke [00:14]
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mircea_popescu trinque essentially, an application of "bitcoin is bitcoin" is what sunk gavin. they still mostly can't believe it happened, but it did. it will again. in practice, you either implement a broken, pared down version of bitcoin, in which case bitcoin defeats you, or else you implement a correct version, in which case... you've implemented bitcoin. [00:15]
mircea_popescu this thing cuts a lot more universally than one'd reasonably expect, and quite scarily in its degree. [00:15]
mircea_popescu "you can't halfass bitcoin" is the thing. which property is why i was musing that it's more like a force of nature than anything else. [00:16]
mircea_popescu displays exactly the feynman property of "nature". [00:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150450 @ 0.00027215 = 40.945 BTC [+] [00:17]
trinque I begin to understand -> mircea_popescu:you'll come out of it thinking what it needs you to. [00:17]
copypaste OK done. I'll go run that rebuild now. [00:17]
assbot /pol/ - Politically Incorrect ... ( ) [00:17]
copypaste Thanks mircea_popescu [00:17]
mircea_popescu o sheeit look at that :D [00:18]
trinque the idea that human action inside a monetary system will reflect the incentives/disincentives of that [00:19]
mircea_popescu mike wakes up, checks stats, is all o.O gets excited, comes here, says so before reading the log, then we link him to this k ? [00:19]
mircea_popescu trinque human freedom is a very limited thing, after all. [00:19]
trinque yep [00:20]
trinque sort of like "will steam engines be used" -> "yes, after all, they exist" [00:21]
trinque works out when considering the context the second statement is made within [00:21]
trinque gunpowder [00:21]
trinque so on [00:21]
trinque so what did I have a problem with... [00:22]
trinque it was that there's nothing to act upon within "bitcoin is bitcoin" [00:22]
trinque but I suppose so what. [00:22]
trinque sounded a bit like "after all, we're the Romans" [00:23]
decimation my cable modem 'received an update' as soon as I plugged it into the cable network. even though I owned the modem, I had absolutely no say or ability to stop the install [00:24]
decimation we did docsis once here before, it's a 'walled garden' [00:24]
trinque it's strange and a bit exciting to think that a single human can do something which then becomes almost *environmental* to the others [00:26]
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mircea_popescu trinque which is directly why i said that bit about [00:27]
assbot Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [00:27]
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mircea_popescu and i'm not entirely sure the meta-universe is open to you at all. there isn't any space for you to "Act upon" in this enlightened, gender savvy, "i am an actor in a movie and i read the script" sense. [00:28]
mircea_popescu all you got is what you got. your wot, your job, your wife, your boxen etc. [00:28]
mircea_popescu copypaste btw you gotta rate me too! [00:29]
copypaste Oh, of course :D [00:29]
copypaste Let me finish rebuilding these boards, it's a pain in the ass to do it manually... [00:29]
mircea_popescu no rush. [00:30]
mircea_popescu and write a script! [00:30]
menahem i don't know whats up - but links to selections aren't working for me. they were at first, but not anymore. [00:30]
decimation one thing that occured to me about the 'wot concept' is that one benefits by having your wot intersect your 'enemies' wot [00:30]
copypaste i did ;) [00:31]
mod6 this is bizzare. i can only get the ssh keys to work /after/ I set a password on the user acount on the instnace (in /etc/shadow). if the user doesn't have a password set, just asks for a pw when connecting. (gentoo uclibc hardened) am i missing something obvious? [00:31]
trinque mircea_popescu: selection thing isn't working, last paragraph? [00:31]
decimation and that being that 'intersecting person' is probably a valuable position [00:31]
copypaste foreach ($config['banned_ad_boards'] as $i => $b) { echo "php rebuild.php --board $b
"; }
copypaste then pipe that to bash [00:31]
copypaste :p [00:31]
decimation mod6: is it an issue with pam? [00:31]
mircea_popescu heh. everyone : try the location thing again nao ? [00:32]
decimation authentication is tricky business [00:32]
mod6 decimation: hrm. could be i guess. i'll check into that. [00:32]
mircea_popescu decimation i would imagine the larger it gets, the more useful it is. [00:33]
mircea_popescu as many times discussed, it's not about the points. [00:33]
mircea_popescu Server Load 0.03 heh i dun think this will be a problem [00:34]
decimation no, but it is not likely that wot structure would be uniform either [00:35]
mircea_popescu right. [00:35]
mircea_popescu << more generally, as long as they pay to play like everyone else, they should be able to play just like everyone else. why not. [00:36]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 22:19:52; danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once [00:36]
mircea_popescu how is a derpy usg with delusions of separation and self importance different or better from the numerous groups of derpy miners with similar delusions that came and went over the years ? [00:36]
mircea_popescu who totday remembers them all even. [00:36]
decimation I find it terribly unlikely that any formal usg employee is mining bitcoin [00:36]
mircea_popescu << currently, cn is actually ahead as far as this thing goes. [00:37]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 22:20:29; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes [00:37]
mircea_popescu ru is entirely fucktarded, which amazes me. [00:37]
mircea_popescu but they're barely a player. [00:37]
mircea_popescu maybe because bitcoin doesn't run right on windows, who knows. [00:37]
decimation it does seem likely that someone in the world has an interest in cuckolding infrastructure [00:38]
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menahem decimation i was told that canadian gov employees were mining bitcoin. however, when i asked about pools and block rewards, they had no idea what I was talking about. so... it definitely seems highly unlikely. [00:46]
cazalla i vaguely recollect someone was using the machines at the ABC (gov owned tv channel) to mine bitcoin back around 2011 [00:47]
decimation it's possible someone is using infrastructure for a private purpose, but I can't imagine it is officially sanctioned [00:48]
cazalla there we go.. so technically australia gov first and bestest miner [00:48]
assbot Secret money: ABC virtual currency racket probe ... ( ) [00:48]
cazalla guy didn't get sacked either [00:48]
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decimation usg's style is to seize someone's bitcoin and put it in their vault [00:49]
cazalla decimation, sorta what i was thinking in regards to double spending.. why would they need to do it when they can just pay you and steal it back [00:49]
cazalla although i guess just because such scam would work on me is not evidence it'd work on everyone [00:53]
copypaste mircea_popescu: you have your first fans [00:54]
assbot /b/ - new ads? ... ( ) [00:54]
cazalla gee that didn't take long for people to accuse copypaste of being mircea_popescu [00:55]
copypaste mircea_popescu: you should probably put target="_blank" on the ad tag so it poens in a new tab [00:55]
copypaste one guy said it didn't work [00:55]
copypaste "Blocked loading mixed active content ""[Learn More]" [00:56]
menahem "Into the adblock filter it goes." lol, these people blocking some of the most valuable info they could possibly get. as MP calls it - missed opportunity. [00:57]
menahem though I must admit, I did the same thing once. [00:58]
mircea_popescu copypaste lolz [01:02]
mircea_popescu ah doing yes. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu copypaste i wonder what the mixed content thing is [01:05]
copypaste It works now [01:05]
copypaste Mixed content means mixed HTTP/HTTPS [01:05]
copypaste It's a new thing added by browser vendors [01:05]
copypaste They don't allow HTTP content on HTTPS pages anymore. [01:05]
decimation ssl everywhere! [01:05]
mircea_popescu ah mkay. anyway, server load was throughout < .2 so i dun think that'll be a problem. [01:05]
copypaste Great! [01:06]
mircea_popescu and i intend to keep the mix more or less varied so. [01:06]
mircea_popescu prolly a buncha people send more banners once they wake up/catch up with the log. [01:06]
decimation ^the fact that this is even possible demonstrates the laugh-ability of pki [01:06]
mircea_popescu decimation you don't understand how teh world works! [01:06]
mircea_popescu "Bitcoin is a jewish conspiracy so these guys are shills, probably working for JIDF." [01:07]
mircea_popescu word. [01:07]
cazalla lol [01:08]
cazalla bit obvious that one was mine but would do better in a pol thread [01:08]
copypaste you could open a service like a-ads [01:09]
BingoBoingo !s Van Ads [01:09]
assbot 33 results for 'Van Ads' : [01:09]
mircea_popescu i nearly did a while back, but meh. [01:09]
mircea_popescu well, 20k impressions served so far, notbad.jpg [01:10]
copypaste !rate mircea_popescu 2 Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads [01:14]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [01:14]
cazalla from ben garrison's new book lol [01:14]
assbot ... ( ) [01:14]
copypaste !v assbot:copypaste.rate.mircea_popescu.2:f09d7cfdf4c180ab010f2c613430f01942fd618289ebc028950b5093135046c2 [01:15]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads [01:15]
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mircea_popescu what is brittle bone disease ? [01:15]
copypaste osteogenesis imperfecta is the medical name [01:16]
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mircea_popescu oh the collagen thing ? [01:17]
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copypaste yes [01:18]
mircea_popescu sucks. [01:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127250 @ 0.00026684 = 33.9554 BTC [-] {2} [01:21]
mircea_popescu << bwahahaha. [01:25]
assbot /b/ - new ads? ... ( ) [01:25]
mircea_popescu little grasshopper... [01:25]
asciilifeform << if we're going in the direction of 'cuckold miners,' i'm not sure why anyone imagines any of it is attributable with any certainty in any direction whatsoever [01:25]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 03:33:20; mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player. [01:25]
mircea_popescu this part of the tradecraft is all puffs of smoke alf. exactly the opposite of engineering [01:26]
mircea_popescu practically speaking mysticism [01:26]
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BingoBoingo Oh shit [01:28]
assbot Trilema Ads on 8chan : Buttcoin ... ( ) [01:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which smoke ? [01:28]
copypaste BingoBoingo: Now two people think I am Mircea. [01:28]
mircea_popescu just saying, puffs ofsmoke. they move deterministically, and you know they're there, but WHAT are they ? [01:29]
BingoBoingo copypaste: Or shills [01:29]
mircea_popescu copypaste people think everyone's me. at some point they thought i was a chick. [01:29]
copypaste Because of MPOE_PR? [01:29]
mircea_popescu yeah. [01:29]
decimation < "This study found that many Army officers, after repeated exposure to the overwhelming demands and the associated need to put their honor on the line to verify compliance, have become ethically numb." [01:29]
assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( ) [01:30]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo any idea what the fedora thing is ? [01:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's a neckbeard thing. [01:31]
mircea_popescu is neckbeard anything other than libertard for "bad" ? [01:31]
BingoBoingo It's a kind of bad, an aspie flavor [01:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is a specific character, in their imagination, quite akin to the nazi Jud Süß [01:32]
mircea_popescu orly ? [01:32]
asciilifeform aha but with a minus sign. [01:32]
mircea_popescu decimation i think soldiers kinda get numb anyway. [01:33]
cazalla this pretty much sums up the fedora thing [01:34]
assbot fedorable_parkour.mp4 - YouTube ... ( ) [01:34]
decimation mircea_popescu: in this particular case, the guy claims that usg levies so many 'requirements' on its employees that no human could possibly fulfill them [01:35]
mircea_popescu this would not surprise me. [01:35]
decimation so everyone lies, pretending to achieve 100% compliance [01:35]
mircea_popescu sorta like taxes. [01:35]
decimation some young officers - tought from entry that lying is very bad - find the real working of usg to be shocking [01:36]
mircea_popescu  Good signature from Fredrick Brennan . Verify this message yourself << check out this shit, a gpg-ready chan [01:36]
mircea_popescu " API for reports for board owners [allows you to have an IRC bot tell you when you have reports" [01:37]
mircea_popescu dude... this shit has come a very long way. [01:38]
* mircea_popescu ran a romanian chan years ago. [01:38]
asciilifeform what is, in this context, a 'chan' ? [01:38]
decimation apparently a bbs [01:38]
asciilifeform generic term for www forum ? [01:38]
copypaste Indeed mircea_popescu. I hacked the codebase considerably [01:39]
copypaste [01:39]
assbot ctrlcctrlv/infinity · GitHub ... ( ) [01:39]
mircea_popescu a, you did a bunch of work there ? [01:39]
mircea_popescu but this at start was a futaba or what ? [01:39]
copypaste Yeah. It was really basic when I started. [01:39]
copypaste It started as Tinyboard. [01:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in this context, a chan is a type of forum, used most famously by 2/4chan [01:39]
copypaste I wrote the catalog ( ), a lot of the javascript (desktop notifications etc), all the board creaetion feaetures, etc [01:40]
assbot b - Catalog ... ( ) [01:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what are the defining characteristics of this type ? [01:40]
decimation but no drug wars game [01:40]
copypaste There's a lot if you go back in my commit history, heh... [01:40]
asciilifeform or do they all descend from same proggy ? [01:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a lightweight structure, specific cli style commands and a requirement to start threads by embedding a picture. they're purely cosmetic, it's just a sort of forum ubuntu, if you take vbulletin to be windows. [01:41]
mircea_popescu they i think all descend from the same thing (aka, futaba) reimplemented x times [01:41]
asciilifeform ah [01:41]
mircea_popescu and it all runs in php! [01:42]
mircea_popescu which is probably the cutting-edgest application php ever knew. [01:42]
decimation ^ one wonders why nobody bothered to write something like this in pure c, given the performance demands [01:43]
mircea_popescu i doubt there's actually that much of an edge to be had, unless one goes all the way to mold it into nginx [01:44]
mircea_popescu have a chaninx [01:44]
decimation yeah, good point, would have to re-create the whole stack of shit [01:44]
mircea_popescu exactly. [01:44]
asciilifeform decimation: the result of c in the hands of imbeciles is generally microshitesque [01:45]
decimation which would be like engineering a sand castle with a toothpick (to paraphrase ascii) [01:45]
copypaste more fans on the videogames board: [01:46]
assbot /v/ - What is this ad? ... ( ) [01:46]
copypaste you're quite popular mircea_popescu :D [01:46]
mircea_popescu i am ? [01:46]
copypaste Very few ads get threads made about them. [01:46]
trinque decimation: friend of mine wrote a 4chan scraper in c here -> [01:46]
trinque ah crap it's down [01:46]
trinque see that's why you don't do it in C [01:47]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:47]
mircea_popescu how bad do they suck btw ? graphically i mean [01:47]
copypaste The tit one is good. I bet you get some clients from 8chan. [01:48]
mircea_popescu should be interesting. [01:51]
decimation scraper is much easier than writing the server stack. as yarvin put it "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory. The men who man these castles are men indeed, quick in emacs and hairy of neck." [01:53]
trinque nah the whole site's C [01:53]
mircea_popescu techniocally speaking apache is c too [01:54]
trinque it's a site that scrapes 4chan for webms and archives them [01:54]
mircea_popescu or was, at some point. before glibc [01:54]
decimation sure [01:54]
trinque he wrote the http thinger, all that [01:54]
trinque guy likes abusing himself with 'write it in c' quests [01:54]
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mircea_popescu eh, mebbe we make it to 130ish [02:04]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 22:27:31; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: within 100 years, we will -all- be as deadly as pirate... [02:04]
mircea_popescu people do, even today. [02:04]
asciilifeform eh but how deadly are they at 120. [02:04]
mircea_popescu cixi was okay. so was stalin [02:04]
asciilifeform stalin at 120, roommate with hitler in buenos aires ? [02:05]
mircea_popescu lol. no, stalin at right before he was about to get beria [02:06]
asciilifeform 74 [02:06]
mircea_popescu but technologee! [02:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 34 @ 0.139 = 4.726 BTC [+] [02:10]
trinque "I don't think you can raid b-a anon" << lol! [02:12]
trinque says latest guy in /b/ [02:12]
mircea_popescu << check out the story of bots. so assbot checks the link. bitly bot checks it too two seconds later. google ? twenty seconds later. [02:16]
assbot dpaste: 216NK1W ... ( ) [02:16]
mircea_popescu EMERGENCY!111 b-a has posted a link to things!!1 [02:16]
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assbot Ben Garrison - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( ) [02:24]
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punkman "The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6 and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins have the fix)." [02:57]
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mircea_popescu !up toddf [03:19]
-assbot- You voiced toddf for 30 minutes. [03:19]
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mircea_popescu davout btw, isn't your paymiumthing an exchange ? [03:20]
mircea_popescu heh, not bad that ben garrison [03:36]
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mircea_popescu well worked at any rate. [03:37]
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cazalla shame those ones are edits of his originals [03:43]
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trinque lol [03:44]
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mircea_popescu cazalla you know i vaguely recall this entire butthurt thing @internet trolls [03:46]
cazalla yeah i think i mentioned his work with OHPI (online hate prevention institute) like a year back [03:47]
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mircea_popescu heh [03:48]
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cazalla the shit is so pervasive that you can't find his originals half the time lol [03:48]
mircea_popescu seems a great compliment. [03:48]
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mircea_popescu o copypaste can i also has argentina! seeing how i live there atm. [03:57]
copypaste Yes, you can. That board is in Spanish though so you might want to use a different page, or not. [03:58]
copypaste I saw your article about McDonalds printing money there, very funny. I'm partial to Colombia as far as Latin American countries go personally though. [03:58]
mircea_popescu im half considering it. you ever been ? [03:59]
copypaste Yep [03:59]
mircea_popescu not really much like what people imagine. [04:00]
copypaste You could probably run a nice Bitcoin arbitrage out of Argentina if you did it right. [04:02]
copypaste They have some crazy currency controls [04:02]
mircea_popescu i can't be arsed. they're too poor and too retarded. [04:02]
cazalla so AFP got back to me.. those pics i shared earlier are legit (yet the newsarticle shows an mp5 lol) and AFP tells me that they never sent the guns despite press release saying they did a controlled delivery and guns were seized [04:08]
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mircea_popescu "A students' union officer who is employed to promote diversity at a London university has reportedly asked white people and men not to attend an anti-racism protest meeting. [04:41]
mircea_popescu Bahar Mustafa, the welfare and diversity officer at Goldsmiths Students' Union, told students that the union meeting was only open to "BME Women" - females of black and ethnic minorities." [04:41]
mircea_popescu sounds legit [04:41]
cazalla seen her? she's white as [04:50]
mircea_popescu lulzy to me. [04:52]
mircea_popescu honestly i watch the news from anglosphere today like i watched the news from biafra twenty years ago, as a child. [04:52]
mircea_popescu a mixture of glee and excitement at the outlandishness of it. [04:53]
mircea_popescu (biafra was a part of nigeria during civil war. famine and nutty shit) [04:54]
cazalla yeah never heard of jello biafra or anything like that before that.. o.0 [04:56]
cazalla but yeah, heard of it before and it being short lived [04:57]
mircea_popescu i suspect it defined "africa" for half a century. [04:58]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla they're the wrong size but yeah, that's the correct solution [16:07]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c hey mike! can you make the bitbet banners in 728x90 ? [16:07]
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mircea_popescu << so who's JP Buntinx ? [16:18]
assbot Bitcoin ISP Soon To Be Traded on MPex Bitcoin Securities Exchange | Digital Money Times ... ( ) [16:18]
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Adlai "Furthermore, Bitcoin ISP offers no shares servers"... right, mpex serves shares [16:23]
scoopbot_revived Williams Pleas Guilty to Debunking Polygraph Pseudoscience [16:23]
mircea_popescu Adlai hey, wouldja like to advertise your jdif blog on /pol/ ? [16:24]
Adlai pf, /pol/ is my jidf blog [16:24]
mircea_popescu lol [16:25]
mircea_popescu as time goes by, i get more and more fascinated by the concept of "offended" [16:25]
mircea_popescu davout make a paymium banner then! [16:27]
mircea_popescu << the spec is that you can allocate whatever nicks you wish, LOCALLY. [16:31]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 16:14:04; jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion [16:31]
mircea_popescu aka decentralized namespace. [16:32]
mircea_popescu or in other words, the solution to zooko's triangle is to use the local-global axe on the fucking knot. unique and secure names globally ; memorable locally. [16:33]
mircea_popescu (this is exactly how nature does it - as far as it's concerned the namespace is the genotype, as far as you're concerned you just use a nick for the fenotype) [16:34]
mircea_popescu spent millenia not even knowing there was a global namespace, perfectly happy. [16:35]
kakobrekla [16:35]
assbot GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - ... ( ) [16:36]
kakobrekla check it out, Common Stock - Each GBTC share represents ownership of approximately 0.1 bitcoin [16:36]
mircea_popescu << it was addressed. derps aren't here. [16:36]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 16:47:33; mod6: !s namecoin [16:36]
kakobrekla _approximatley_ [16:36]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla that's how the new garrs and nefarios and gigavps and etc run the same old scam. "it COULD be 11btc each. YOU HAVE NO PROOF IT ISNT" [16:36]
mircea_popescu etc etc, 2012 all over again in a new tardstalk. [16:37]
kakobrekla > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially. The trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins to pay for its ongoing expenses. Therefore, the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over time. [16:37]
kakobrekla hold till moon, err i mean zero. [16:38]
mircea_popescu right ? [16:38]
scoopbot_revived Nature vie avec jeune fille [16:38]
mircea_popescu !rate silbert -1 Arrogantly ignorant twerp, de facto scammer through it. [16:39]
assbot silbert is not registered in WoT. [16:39]
mircea_popescu color me surprised. [16:39]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:43]
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* ascii_field realized that one could, in principle, microfabricate logical circuits made of magnetic amplifiers (as seen in well-known 'сетунь' trinary computer) [16:46]
ascii_field no silicon, or doping thereof, required. [16:47]
ascii_field machine then is made entirely of classically conductive material. [16:47]
ascii_field (and insulators, such as air) [16:47]
mircea_popescu could this be printed ? [16:48]
* Adlai notes that JP "Morgan" Buntix left out the customer qualification criterion [16:48]
mircea_popescu (with modified printer, not plastic obv) [16:48]
ascii_field printed, etched, photolithographed, ... [16:48]
ascii_field stamped [16:48]
ascii_field lasered [16:49]
ascii_field pick favourite. [16:49]
Adlai laser etched :) [16:49]
mircea_popescu ah lasered [16:49]
Adlai hand carved! [16:49]
mircea_popescu actually - lasered into a chunk of uranium, so that selected atoms turn into gas. [16:49]
ascii_field wat [16:50]
decimation ascii_field: did you see that ibm has licensed third parties to produce 'power8' servers? [16:50]
decimation I think tyan is coming out with a mobo soon [16:50]
ascii_field decimation: no, and can't imagine why i'd care [16:50]
decimation non-intel cpu [16:50]
mircea_popescu ascii_field you have a discrete cristalline lattice of U, selected nodes get energized to the point they split, creating Xe [16:50]
ascii_field still usg turdware [16:50]
decimation yeah, but possibly better designed [16:51]
decimation supposedly ibm open sourced the full specs [16:51]
decimation [16:51]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: how do you propose to deliver neutrons selectively where you want it to pop ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu jurov ayup. [16:52]
mircea_popescu ascii_field well, tachyons for all i care. [16:52]
ascii_field U fissions either by itself, or not at all, or when neutronned at [16:53]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i don't propose how. i propose what. [16:53]
mircea_popescu division of labour! [16:53]
ascii_field otherwise we're flying airplane powered by my farts. (i can also 'propose what, not how' l0l) [16:53]
mircea_popescu lol [16:53]
jurov or build schodinger boxes (with trade engine instead of cat within) [16:55]
jurov iirc i have some pending withdrawal out of said box, mircea_popescu [16:59]
mircea_popescu eh ? [16:59]
ascii_field [16:59]
mircea_popescu til mpex has withdrawals too [16:59]
ascii_field ^ ancient scan [16:59]
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ascii_field basic idea is a transformer whose output varies, given as a second (or more) circuit gets to saturate (or not) its core. [17:01]
ascii_field -not-, pointedly, a relay - there is no mechanical motion or wear [17:02]
jurov interesting. but does it work at high freq? [17:03]
ascii_field no. [17:03]
ascii_field well, nothing approaching transistor [17:04]
ascii_field (which was created for a reason) [17:04]
ascii_field (magnetic amps long pre-date semiconductors. nazis used them in subs, rockets, for instance) [17:05]
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jurov :) [17:16]
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mircea_popescu hahaha [17:16]
ascii_field l0l [17:16]
davout <<< whiskey tango foxtrot, seriously [17:18]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 19:33:38; kakobrekla: > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially. The trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins to pay for its ongoing expenses. Therefore, the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over time. [17:18]
davout <<< alrighty [17:19]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 19:23:06; mircea_popescu: davout make a paymium banner then! [17:19]
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mircea_popescu << not the real problem. what if owner 1 then comes back, covertly. [17:20]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 17:03:34; kakobrekla: and if owner 1 dead? [17:20]
kakobrekla i dont belive in resurrection [17:21]
davout what if you incorrectly believe in death [17:22]
mircea_popescu owner 2 can always repudiate future signatures on the grounds that "it wasn't really me" [17:22]
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Adlai !mpif [17:25]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] [17:25]
Adlai mircea_popescu: how'd you like to open another PC? [17:25]
* Adlai heard there's still coin burning holes in that pocket [17:26]
mircea_popescu i recall we discussed this and it closed. [17:26]
* Adlai is not talking about fiat trading [17:27]
Adlai although there is some common ground between fiat and what i'm talking about, which is: neither of them "exist" [17:28]
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mircea_popescu << nah [17:40]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 17:06:45; jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead [17:40]
mircea_popescu keys never expire. the meaning you give them may expire, and that's entirely your own personal problem. but otherwise, once found, the integers are there and can be multiplied. [17:40]
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mircea_popescu << because it doesn't update keys. [17:45]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 17:13:44; davout: how do you know? [17:45]
mircea_popescu << the "key deadness" as somehow a part of the key itself, is not only conceptually ridiculous but practically unimplementable. forget it, it's about as relevant to gpg as "the gnu foundation" [17:47]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 18:03:07; ascii_field: if there is a 'key is dead' token that one is relying on some third party to keep secret - it can be captured [17:47]
jurov so, in 10 years 4096bit keys will stand in danger of cracking, what do you do? force everyone to pay 20-30btc again? [17:47]
mircea_popescu historical accident. [17:47]
mircea_popescu jurov absolutely. [17:47]
ascii_field one could picture a few 'cheats.' consider one: key, when promulgated, contains a large but finite set of values Q such that hash(hash(...(P)...) = Q, while P are retained as private. every signature must contain a unique Q from this set. when it is time to retire the key, you spend the remaining 'bullets' all at once. [17:47]
mircea_popescu ascii_field makes keys too big, doesn't actually offer anything other than the equivalent "at key promulgation, use it to sing a list of nonces, with understanding that statements w/io the nonce are void", let wot enforce this. [17:49]
mircea_popescu which in turn reduces to cargo-cultish supersecurity. [17:49]
mircea_popescu "oh, i encrypted this TWICE, it's much harder now!" [17:49]
ascii_field one cannot claim the same degree of 'hardness' for this as for the actual rsa, correct [17:49]
mircea_popescu there are some things that don't need fixing. what needs fixing re gpg is to use rsa throughout, rather than the current lulzatron. [17:50]
ascii_field but there -must- be a way to proclaim, with all the certainty that can be mustered, the fact that 'i signed with this before but -never intend to again-' [17:50]
mircea_popescu intentions need not be nor can they be part of signed matter. [17:50]
ascii_field and have this cemented in blockchain, on babylonian stone plinths, wherever [17:50]
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mircea_popescu people have a way of coming to odds with their intentions [17:50]
ascii_field fuck'em [17:50]
mircea_popescu without human mediation, this is more of the "smart contracts" coolaid. [17:50]
ascii_field we have technology that can, with some certainty, prove that i did something at a certain moment in epoch time, plus or minus ten minutes [17:51]
ascii_field this plus rsa is good enough to sig-only-revoke. [17:51]
ascii_field (the tech is called bitcoin) [17:52]
mircea_popescu you have a comment field in the keys as they are now. put in there "This key not valid after block 175552" [17:52]
ascii_field merely suggesting a machine-readable standard for this, yes. [17:53]
ascii_field without the current idiotic retroactive cancellation of signatures [17:53]
mircea_popescu i do not belive machines should have any imperium over valid keys. [17:54]
ascii_field more of warning-light than imperium [17:54]
mircea_popescu it's what they say. [17:54]
ascii_field not that extant gpg honors expiration dates, to virtually everybody's great annoyance [17:54]
ascii_field *note that [17:55]
mircea_popescu i think the NOTION of expiration dates is broken. [17:55]
mircea_popescu you can't un-discover some integers in a certan mathematical relation. [17:55]
ascii_field it is only broken because it mixes abstraction-hardness levels, yes [17:55]
ascii_field remember the 'what colour are your bits' article. [17:55]
mircea_popescu right. [17:55]
mircea_popescu very much along the lines of that. [17:55]
ascii_field they cannot be undiscovered, yes. and don't have a baked-in temporal peg [17:56]
mircea_popescu so, the key is there. how do you COLOR it, that's your job. [17:56]
ascii_field pegging temporality requires some kind of agreement on mechanism [17:57]
ascii_field otherwise you get disputes and wankery where there should be 2+2 certainty. [17:57]
mircea_popescu there is necessarily not going to be 2+2 wankery. [17:57]
mircea_popescu i mean certainty [17:57]
ascii_field aha. but whatever approximation is physically possible, with clearly stated limits, ought to be achieved. [17:58]
mircea_popescu what are you, from the gui department ? [17:58]
ascii_field just as digital computer, theoretically, does not exist. but the approximation we use is 'almost same' [17:58]
ascii_field i'm from the shit that actually works within physical limits dept. [17:58]
mircea_popescu ah, but mind that there's no in principle reason a computer might not exist. [17:59]
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mircea_popescu << a simple solution to this being, of course, just making a deed. [18:00]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 18:10:26; ascii_field: or rather, communicating authoritatively the statement that 'anyone using this key after this moment is an impostor' [18:00]
trinque and nobody's stopping anyone from signing some JSON or what have you [18:01]
mircea_popescu My new key is X, use of Y key past this point is unsupported. Signed by Y. [18:01]
ascii_field this oughta be machine-readable. [18:01]
mircea_popescu as per trinque above. [18:01]
mircea_popescu and it specifically should be 'unsupported'. For all you know a key ends up rediscovered five billion years later. [18:02]
jurov yeah, cthulhu appears and says you rediscovered his 5bn old key which he proclaimed expired long ago [18:10]
mircea_popescu lol [18:11]
trinque so you could publish some schema for representing this and arbitrarily other such statements into the deedbot [18:12]
trinque then make reference to that deed when you use that schema later down the way [18:12]
trinque to me these are actually the most interesting use cases of the thing [18:13]
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mircea_popescu << eh, i deprecated upgrading keys like i deprecating getting new suits. [18:26]
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mircea_popescu go into the shop get a new one made, what. you want to turn the old one in for a new one ? [18:26]
mircea_popescu what is this, the army ? [18:26]
jurov does the bank stops you from accessing your account when you get new suit? [18:28]
BingoBoingo It does if new suit includes ski mask [18:29]
mircea_popescu if it's any good, yes. [18:30]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo btw, make some qntra banners ? [18:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure [18:30]
mircea_popescu ;;seen nubbins [18:30]
gribble nubbins was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: any messages, gribs? [18:30]
mircea_popescu ;;seen nubbins` [18:30]
gribble nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: bbl doing things [18:30]
jurov we're talking about upgrading gpg keys according to known protocol, not some ski masks [18:30]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell nubbins` yo nooblet, make a pink eyes banner ? :D [18:30]
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mircea_popescu jurov we're talking about this situation where the total number of keys mpex charges for is = to the maximal number of keys ever used. that is not happening. [18:31]
jurov no it will inevitably be less [18:32]
mircea_popescu heh [18:32]
mircea_popescu ever used simultaneously* [18:32]
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ascii_field used simultaneously ? [18:35]
mircea_popescu myeah. [18:35]
ascii_field this is... 7th time? we had the 'mpex discourages key upgrade' thread ? [18:36]
mircea_popescu if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key they don't want to use anymore and they can "upgrade" theirs to yours. [18:36]
mircea_popescu mpex does not discourage anything. mpex charges, because mpex is a business. [18:36]
ascii_field aha, to upgrade key, mircea_popescu has to take a прогресс м-27м to orbit, and unscrew the old one, then retro-thruster and parachute capsule back to b-a [18:37]
ascii_field this costs approximately 30 btc. [18:37]
mircea_popescu keys are identities. identities have to qualify themselves. the qualification happens to be pay 30 btc. [18:38]
mircea_popescu i don't happen to care who your daddy is. [18:38]
jurov it's a racket yo [18:38]
mircea_popescu im that democratic. [18:38]
ascii_field mircea_popescu can charge 3000 btc if he likes, sure [18:38]
mircea_popescu but i do suspect i should increase it. [18:39]
mircea_popescu btc is way too cheap anyway. [18:39]
* mircea_popescu is off to ponder this idea. [18:39]
ascii_field aha too cheap. lusers like asciilifeform can almost afford 30 [18:40]
jurov mp is the only one to qualify being on mpex, didn't you know? [18:41]
ascii_field it's his widget. [18:41]
ascii_field how many zeros to weld on to the price, his business [18:42]
jurov no, go on, annoy him [18:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119500 @ 0.00028161 = 33.6524 BTC [-] [18:42]
jurov if he adds several zeros, perhaps coinbr will see some volume after all [18:42]
ascii_field or some competition, l0l [18:43]
jurov they'd have to hire knuth himself to squeeze something usable out of that atrocious api [18:44]
ascii_field jurov: i thought the gnarly api was part of the 'bozo filter' just as the price was [18:44]
jurov yes and building something over it is yet another level [18:45]
jurov i suspect boilers will have much better ROI than another honest broker [18:46]
ascii_field better roi until pop, aha [18:46]
ascii_field i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers a new key signed with a previous key to not be a logical continuation of the same identity. (is it because of the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous thread?) [18:48]
ascii_field perhaps when he wakes up again, will tell [18:48]
jurov it's not set into stone, you know [18:49]
ascii_field ? [18:49]
jurov he's born into wrong time, prolly wants to build a pyramid [18:49]
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ben_vulpes well, nothing approaching transistor << what sorta frequencies *did* work? [18:50]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: a few khz [18:50]
jurov stone carving just are not upgraded [18:50]
jurov *carvings [18:51]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: i suspect this can be pushed up as the transformer cores are made smaller and coils themselves shorter (less inductive) [18:51]
ben_vulpes mhm [18:51]
jurov says 1MHz [18:51]
ascii_field in the miniature version i suggested, performance may well edge into overlap with the worst silicon [18:51]
assbot Magnetic logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [18:51]
ascii_field jurov: magnetic logic as described in the literature mostly 'cheated' by including a diode with each gate [18:52]
ascii_field (read scan from earlier to learn why) [18:52]
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davout meanwhile, leads to a "The Free Trial is Over" stock page XD [18:54]
assbot Domain Error · Ghost ... ( ) [18:54]
ascii_field in the hypothetical machine, we cannot have the diode. [18:54]
ascii_field waat [18:54]
ben_vulpes they'd have to hire knuth himself to squeeze something usable out of that atrocious api << ah, it's not that bad, just write a parser for the variety-speaking ad-hoc blublang [18:55]
ben_vulpes ragel's sitting right over there, etc [18:55]
jurov ben_vulpes: if you followed my adventures, i have got parser for $30 from romanian student [18:56]
ben_vulpes (for the uninitiated: i'm being very sarcastic) [18:56]
jurov it was the rest that took half a year [18:56]
ben_vulpes do you do a stat before and after placing every order? [18:57]
ben_vulpes actually you know what? [18:57]
ben_vulpes i don't feel like loading the MPEx api into my head today. [18:57]
ascii_field funnily, i still have it in my head [18:57]
jurov ben_vulpes: no, that is not necessary :) [18:58]
ascii_field (from phree demo in late 2012) [18:58]
jurov but you still have the account? [18:58]
ascii_field no [18:58]
ascii_field it was a demo [18:58]
jurov but beta accounts are still fully functional! [18:59]
jurov i have one [18:59]
ascii_field it wasn't an early beta, it was a demo just for me [18:59]
ascii_field mircea_popescu even gave me a 1 btc to drive it with [18:59]
jurov l0l [18:59]
ascii_field which i later gave him back [18:59]
ascii_field (actually ~1.4 that it turned into) [18:59]
ascii_field that demo was actually my first contact with mircea_popescu [19:00]
jurov you did not keep 0.4 funbux? [19:00]
ascii_field (initially, just with hanbot) [19:00]
ascii_field jurov: nope. ( ) [19:01]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1LBimqMN5ftYgfQthcrBpqPDpC4H3c2w7o ... ( ) [19:01]
jurov or you traded hanbot out of 0.4 funbux and then gave them to mircea instead? [19:01]
jurov :DDDD [19:01]
ascii_field l0l [19:02]
ascii_field (ancient post, where i described why did this: ) [19:03]
assbot Loper OS » Bitcoin Adventures. ... ( ) [19:03]
jurov yes i remember [19:04]
ascii_field but answer is no, it wasn't a proper beta account, it was a one-off demo that dissolved in ~month [19:04]
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jurov 1up ascii_field [19:07]
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ascii_field unrelated: [19:16]
assbot DirtyMasseur - Noelle Easton - Gfycat [19:17]
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cazalla much better than the grainy tumblr shit someone else links :) [19:34]
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BingoBoingo << lol envirofraud [19:51]
assbot The Compostable Cup Trials | Garden Rant ... ( ) [19:51]
decimation re: pay 30 btc to upgrade mpex keys < does this mean that if you can crack an mpex key you get to use it? [19:57]
decimation so when 4096 bit keys become crackable - unlimited phree accounts? [19:57]
cazalla BingoBoingo, not cups but i vaguely remember about 25 years ago that they did a big song and dance about biodegradable plastic bags here down under and how they would be phased in and the old ones phased out, yet to this day they still carry on about plastic bags [20:03]
cazalla nice gardening blog btw, ty for link [20:04]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Ironically I stumbled into it looking for ways to kill certain unwelcome plants [20:04]
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asciilifeform << how could the answer possibly be anything other than yes ? [21:09]
assbot Logged on 14-05-2015 22:53:19; decimation: re: pay 30 btc to upgrade mpex keys < does this mean that if you can crack an mpex key you get to use it? [21:09]
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asciilifeform [21:36]
assbot ... ( ) [21:36]
asciilifeform unsurprisingly, nothing i said today is actually new [21:36]
asciilifeform 'deposited magnetic films as logic elements.' (proceedings of the eastern joint computer conference, 1959. franck, marette, & parsegyan.) [21:37]
asciilifeform the key boojum missing from all of this work is: a likewise purely-magnetic means of arbitrarily altering the -interconnects- between elements. [21:39]
asciilifeform (then you get: 'fpga' which doesn't give a damn about radiation, can be fabricated with 1940s equipment, etc) [21:39]
asciilifeform << also interesting, re: 'microwave logic' [21:41]
assbot ... ( ) [21:41]
asciilifeform (from same period) [21:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al ^^ [21:42]
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asciilifeform << interestingly, they stopped holding this conference in '87. which closely, if approximately, lines up with 'when computers stopped being interesting' [21:44]
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asciilifeform [21:55]
assbot SRI International ... ( ) [21:55]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --marker buttstamp [22:09]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) [22:09]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market buttstamp [22:09]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.05, Best ask: 237.25, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 237.24, 24 hour volume: 7543.17628662, 24 hour low: 232.22, 24 hour high: 239.7, 24 hour vwap: 236.767276015 [22:09]
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asciilifeform << unrelated, historical interest [22:18]
assbot The Great Lightbulb Conspiracy - IEEE Spectrum ... ( ) [22:18]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have a fixture which disagrees with CFLS. Since the bulbocaust my stock is depleting rapidly as bulbs that once lasted years only now last months [22:26]
asciilifeform outdoor? [22:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Indoor, shares a circuit with a dimmer switch [22:32]
asciilifeform tried led 'bulb' ? [22:32]
BingoBoingo Not yet. May guve that a try if I pick up LEDs before this batch dies. Was considering LED bulbs for an outdoor fixture, but witing on outdoor fixture's bulb to die first because it hates human contact. [22:34]
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Namworld Ok, it's been a while [22:36]
Namworld Hello everyone [22:36]
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trinque hello Namworld [22:40]
trinque !up Asenath [22:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 260300 @ 0.0002806 = 73.0402 BTC [+] {2} [22:43]
asciilifeform local l0ltr0n: last week, university of maryland proclaimed that it will charge higher tuition price to students majoring in business, engineering, and comp. sci. [22:51]
asciilifeform (no prizes for guessing why) [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75400 @ 0.00028063 = 21.1595 BTC [+] [22:55]
trinque asciilifeform: you should give me a prize if I guess wrong [22:57]
trinque it's only fair [22:57]
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cazalla australia no longer safe for americans lol [23:28]
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decimation asciilifeform: usg friendly 'liberal' majors are subsidized, of course [23:29]
decimation asciilifeform: apparently it's mp's position that an mpex seat is implicitly time limited [23:33]
mircea_popescu how goes Namworld [23:50]
mircea_popescu derp on trilema offers "military campaigns" as example of plans that worked (tm) [23:55]
mircea_popescu the crowdsourced internet, putting pro comics out of business since september 1993 [23:56]
williamdunne riiighhhtttt [23:56]
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decimation mircea_popescu: sure! bombing libya was an example of a brilliant plan to shepard the outbreak of love and democracy, not throwing matches at a barrel of petrol [23:59]
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